JONATHAN ALEXANDER has his 10 players with the most to prove

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Payne & Pendergast

Episode: JONATHAN ALEXANDER has his 10 players with the most to prove
Air Date: July 29, 2026
Hosts: Seth Payne & Sean Pendergast (Sports Radio 610, Houston)
Location: Live from Houston Methodist Training Center, Texans Training Camp

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Overview

In this lively episode, Seth Payne and Sean Pendergast broadcast live from Houston Texans training camp to break down Jonathan Alexander’s much-discussed list: “10 Texans with the most to prove” heading into the new NFL season. The conversation blends sharp analysis and trademark banter as the hosts debate which Texans are truly under the microscope—diving deep on contracts, positional battles, and roster dynamics. The episode branches out into league-wide contract trends, recent NFL off-the-field news (including Tony Romo’s DWI), and the odd saga surrounding 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan. This is a can’t-miss for fans looking to get the pulse of both Houston sports and the NFL landscape at large.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Setting the Scene at Texans Training Camp

[01:42]–[02:13]

• Sean paints a sunrise training camp picture, underscoring the hosts’ responsibility to provide inside info from closed practice sessions (“our job is vitally important”).
• The hosts compare their duty to sleepless doctors—cueing a comedic riff about Sean giving Seth a surgeon’s job.

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2. Jonathan Alexander’s 10 Texans with the Most to Prove

[04:47]–[13:33, various timestamps]

The Premise

• Alexander’s Houston Chronicle list generates debate: who’s under the biggest spotlight in camp and the season?
• Sean sets aside the obvious choices (C.J. Stroud and Tank Dell at #1 and #2), digging into less obvious picks.

Who’s Under the Microscope?

• Kamari Lassiter, CB (#10):

  • "He 1,000% fits the mold of somebody the Texans would pay after year three." ([06:04] – Sean)
  • Expectations are for Lassiter to prove he's an elite CB, possibly vaulting into the top cornerback tier with another strong season. The hosts note his lack of national accolades but strong upside.
  • Seth highlights Lassiter’s coming tests vs. top QBs/wideouts (Josh Allen, Joe Burrow w/ Tee Higgins & Ja'Marr Chase, Dak Prescott with CeeDee Lamb) ([09:09]).

• Will Anderson Jr., DE (#9):

  • “If all he did was exactly what he already is, I don't know if I agree with him having to have something to prove.” ([10:20] – Seth)
  • Hosts agree Anderson doesn’t have much to prove after living up to his new contract out of the gate.

• Ed Ingram, G (#8):

  • “Ed Ingram just got paid. Prove that he’s worth it.” ([10:50] – Seth)
  • His place mirrors the importance of living up to recent contracts.

• Tight End Room / Cade Stover, TE (#7):

  • “To me, the tight end room is the most intriguing one to me on this team…” ([10:51] – Sean)
  • Fierce competition with Schultz (starter), Klein (rookie lock), Foster Moreau, Cade Stover, and Brevin Jordan.
  • “If he just performs to a certain level, I think it's his roster spot to lose, only because of Brevin Jordan's injury history…” ([12:35] – Seth)

• Offensive Line Battles:

  • Jake Andrews (center): “Basically a rookie himself…learning on the fly how to play center in the NFL. Shouldn’t just assume Keelan Rutledge is going to come in and win the spot.” ([13:53] – Seth)
  • Braden Smith and Wyatt Teller also discussed as having much to prove, especially after Teller acknowledged wanting to recapture All-Pro form ([16:56]).

• Other Notables:

  • Henry To’oTo’o, LB: Faces pressure due to contract year and new competition (Marte Mapu, rookies waiting in wings) ([05:32]).
  • Ariante Ursary (LT): Hosts reflect on the team’s decade-plus expectation of elite left tackle play ([17:02]).

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3. League-Wide Contract Trends and the Kamari Lassiter Ripple Effect

[19:40]–[25:15]

Christian Gonzalez (Patriots CB) Extension Saga

• Patriots owner Robert Kraft’s public tactics in negotiations (“We’ve made him the highest paid player ever to play that position”) draw eye rolls from Seth:
  • “Oh, shut up, you stupid old man...That's stupid baseball tactics.” ([19:57] – Seth)
• The player dislikes the public contract talk:
  • “It's just something...we don't want to handle [in] the media. I keep that with the team and my team...” ([21:18] – Christian Gonzalez)

Implications for the Texans

• Kamari Lassiter (like Stingley Jr.) set to benefit from CB-market inflation:
  • “If he improves again...he's going to be living in this 30-plus million dollar neighborhood.” ([23:49] – Sean)
• Pay scale at CB contrasts with other positions:
  • “It's a pretty stark difference between like the highest paid and the 10th highest paid...from Denzel Ward at $31M down to Marlon Humphrey...at $19M/year.” ([23:55] – Seth)

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4. Tony Romo DWI Footage & NFL Persona Banter

[25:08]–[36:14]

Recap & Painting the Scene

• The hosts break from Texans talk for comic relief and media commentary:
  • “If I had to pick one person in the media or in sports where it’s like...their persona is that of the town drunk...it’s Tony Romo.” ([04:51] – Sean)
• Sean recaps Romo’s OWI stop, bodycam scene, and the sobriety test:
  • “That’s the best you can do when you know you’ve got a cop behind you.” ([28:08] – Seth)
  • Seth explains NFL seminars taught rookies that even while sober, the field test instructions are confusing—and Romo’s confusion reflects that training ([33:39]).

Notable Quotes & Comedy

• “I can’t wait until the part in the trial where his lawyer is like, ‘Your Honor, I know that he might seem drunk, but let’s bring up some footage from the AFC playoffs this year...’” ([35:21] – Seth)
• Sean: “Do you think that CBS had the executives running to the files to start thumbing through his contract to see if he had a morals clause in there?” ([35:59])
• The hosts debate whether Romo’s behavior is any different from his infamous game-calling style: “It felt like he was doing an NFL game.” ([26:20] – Co-host)

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5. Kyle Shanahan Car Accident Saga

[36:50]–[40:59]

The Timeline & Narrative Shifts

• Sean and Seth outline the curious timing and reporting of 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan’s car accident:
  • Incident occurs July 14th (Bastille Day); reports only emerge 11 days later.
  • Initially reported not his fault; Shanahan later personally brings in beat writers to admit responsibility (phone distraction).

Notable Critique & Media Satire

• “Something is fishy.”—Theme repeated by both hosts ([38:29], [39:37])
• The hosts critique media behavior:
  • “Let's not act like he threw himself in front of a locomotive.” ([40:39] – Seth)
  • Media members fawn over Shanahan’s belated “accountability”; hosts call out the sanctimony.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Kamari Lassiter:

  • "He 1,000% fits the mold of somebody the Texans would pay after year three." ([06:04] – Sean)

• On Will Anderson Jr.:

  • “If all he did was exactly what he already is, I don't know if I agree with him having to have something to prove.” ([10:20] – Seth)

• On Patriots contract tactics:

  • “Oh, shut up, you stupid old man...That's stupid baseball tactics.” ([19:57] – Seth)

• On Tony Romo’s field sobriety confusion:

  • “No, I don't. There's too many. We gotta go step by step.” ([32:15] – Tony Romo quoting bodycam footage)

• On Shanahan's PR apology:

  • “Let's not act like he threw himself in front of a locomotive.” ([40:39] – Seth)
  • “He threw himself in front of the bus because his cell...because he had dropped his cell phone.” ([40:47] – Seth)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Texans Training Camp Atmosphere: [01:42]
• Alexander’s List Overview Starts: [04:47]
• Kamari Lassiter Discussion: [06:01]–[09:32]
• Will Anderson Jr. Debate: [09:44]–[10:25]
• Tight End Room Analysis: [10:51]–[12:35]
• O-Line Battles (Rutledge, Teller, etc.): [13:15]–[17:02]
• NFL CB Contracts & Lassiter’s Implications: [19:40]–[25:15]
• Tony Romo DWI Banter & Bodycam: [25:08]–[36:14]
• Kyle Shanahan Car Accident Narrative: [36:50]–[40:59]

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Tone and Language

The episode features classic Houston sports radio banter: sharp, irreverent, and self-aware. The hosts mix inside football analysis with dry wit, personal anecdote, and mock-seriousness—never afraid to lampoon owners, players, or media narratives. Frequent use of “I mean,” “Listen,” and overtly casual asides keep the discussion relatable, even when debating multi-million-dollar contract complexities or league-wide policies.

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Final Thoughts

This episode illustrates why Payne & Pendergast are a go-to for Houston sports fans: it’s detailed Texans coverage, smart NFL perspective, and big laughs all in one. Whether you’re eyeing this year’s playoff run or just want to know who’s on the Texans’ roster bubble, you’ll come away more informed—and probably with a new inside joke or two.

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Transcript

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[Seth Payne]

Texans Training camp is here live from the Houston Methodist Training Center. Sports Radio 610 presents Payne and Pendergast.

[Sean Pendergast]

It is, in my opinion, the best time of the year. I love training camp. Seth Payne, Sean Pendergast with you live here at Texans Training Camp. This is, you know, they got the mowers out here now, Seth. They just turned on the scoreboard. The sun's coming up.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Pretty soon people are going to be coming out here.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Really?

[Sean Pendergast]

This is my, this is my.

[Seth Payne]

This isn't one of the open ones though, right?

[Sean Pendergast]

No, Saturday's the first open one. Yeah, Saturday. So the ones during the week, this week are all, are all closed. Which makes our job all the more important because you and I have to paint the picture for people.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Vitally important.

[Sean Pendergast]

Vitally important.

[Seth Payne]

As we said earlier, you know, I, I don't need sleep to do this job because just like a medical student or a medical resident, my job is just as important. So I let the, I let my sense of duty, you know, carry me through and that's how I. I managed to not mix up the medications or amputate the wrong leg after I'm. After I'm going 48 hours with no sleep.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's right.

[Seth Payne]

Can you imagine me as a doctor?

[Sean Pendergast]

No.

[Seth Payne]

I would amputate so many wrong limbs. People would be like, oh, Seth. Dr. Seth. They definitely wouldn't call me by my last name. The old Dr. Seth at it again. Dr. Sethers is me and the patient laughing about it.

[Sean Pendergast]

Like, patient showing his half an arm

[Seth Payne]

that he's got me holding, like, the amputated limb up, acting like I'm sewing it back.

[Sean Pendergast]

We were joking. Brandon Scott and I were joking yesterday, I think it was yesterday, about the Tony Romo mug shot. We'll talk more about Tony Romo later on in this segment. Yes, the mug shot from his DWI arrest. And I said, can you imagine if you're in for a surgery and you know when you go for surgery and they. They put you under the gas and you start.

[Commercial Voice]

You.

[Sean Pendergast]

You remember, like, starting to fade, and then next thing you know, you wake up and the surgery's done. But the last face that you see before you really start to fade. Do you imagine it being the Tony Romo mugshot?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

That's.

[Ozempic Commercial Voice]

That's.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's the guy that's doing the surgery.

[Seth Payne]

Right.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I know the whole thing about that.

[Seth Payne]

We'll get into it later, I guess.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I don't. When I'm watching, I'm like, oh, yeah. I mean, he seems like he might

[Seth Payne]

be a little bit drunk, but that's

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

what he seems like all the time.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

And I don't know whether he's actually drunk when he's doing games or not.

[Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Or if he's just that incompetent and dumb sometimes, but having a good time of it.

[Sean Pendergast]

I don't.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

He was having a good time on it. During that sobriety check.

[Sean Pendergast]

He didn't take a breathalyzer, so we don't know technically if he was drunk or not, but just the headline itself. Like, if I had to. If I had to pick one person in the media or in sports where it's like, okay, they weren't drinking at all, but their Persona is that of the town drunk.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'd have been like, it's, yeah, Tony Romo. He's gonna get picked up based on behavior alone.

[Seth Payne]

What if I told you that the. The. The perp was following instrument following and understanding instructions about as well as Tony Romo understands Gene Steritor?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Like that Gene Stereotor might as well

[Seth Payne]

have Been giving the. The instructions for how to do the sobriety test. And Roma going like, okay, yeah, like this, right? And he goes. He goes.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

No, you're left. Oh, yeah, that's what I meant. I said left. That's exactly where I go.

[Seth Payne]

Right, Gene.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

So now. So I'm going to go with my right.

[Seth Payne]

No, Romo, we've talked about this.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Dude, it's your left.

[Sean Pendergast]

Exactly. I felt, watching the sobriety test, I felt like I was watching like the Chiefs and the Bills or something. I will get to that later.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

We're going to explain what a reception is.

[Sean Pendergast]

We'll get to that in a little bit. So Jonathan Alexander. Seth has his 10 players with the most to prove.

[Seth Payne]

He took an interesting angle on this.

[Sean Pendergast]

On a few of them he did. On a few of them he did. We'll dig into some of Jonathan's here in a second, but I want to start off with you. I'm going to put C.J. stroud aside because I think that's the obvious one and we just spent 20 minutes talking about him. I'm going to put Tank Dell aside, too. Those are number one and two on Jonathan's list. Tank Dell to CJ Stroud, one of the players with the most approved. Because we talked about Tank already today.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

So putting those two aside for you, who would be next on the list?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I think, okay, there's three guys, and two of them are going to be more financially based, if anything. But I think guys that. Probably a couple guys who really like

[Seth Payne]

being on this team on the defensive side of the ball who are also headed into their free agency. You're Tommy Togi and Henry Toa. Toa. I think Togi's already proven a whole bunch, and I think that they probably like him a lot. And I don't know if they've had

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

any discussions with him or not, but Togi, if he.

[Seth Payne]

If he continues to play the way he did last year, especially when, you know, because of injuries, they had to really rely on him as being the guy that the Texans might not be able to compete with, what he's going to get on the open market.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's an underrated decision they've got coming up.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

And then I think Henry Towa. Toa also is headed into his free agency year.

[Seth Payne]

There hasn't been any talk of an extension. Maybe there will be.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

But the Texans also, they traded for

[Seth Payne]

a linebacker in the offseason in Marte Mapu.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

It was a.

[Seth Payne]

It was a late round pick swap, but I think that. I think d' Ameco is intrigued by Marte Mapu. And then they draft two linebackers in Wade Wood, as and Aiden Fisher. And like, that's the, Those are guys who are waiting in the wings and competing for that third linebacker spot. But I think d' Ameco is going to play the best linebackers regardless. And so both on the contract side of things and then also in retaining his position, Henry Toa. Toa's got to continue to, you know, he's, he's made progress every year and he's become a much better player than I thought he could be after his rookie year. But he's just got to keep building on that.

[Sean Pendergast]

Toea Toa would be on my list. And I think, you know, look, these are subjective lists, obviously. These are opinions. The first three that Jonathan has on his list, I say first three. Like he counts down from ten. So ten, nine and eight. The first three that show up in the article are all ones that are sort of contractually related, but on a much higher plane than the ones that you and I are talking about here. At least the first two are because he's got Kamari Lasseter, 10, which was intriguing to me when I saw that name. And, you know, his stance on Kamari is he's going to get a chance to cash in after this year if. And we know the team loves Kamari lasseter. He, he 1000% fits the mold of somebody the Texans would pay after year three. Yeah, 1,000%. But I think like around the league, Kamari Lasseter, we saw it with that, we've seen it with the NFL top 100, where I don't think Kamari is going to show up in that. I know that's subjective player stuff, but the ESPN exercise with all the coaches in front offices, I expected Kamar Lasseter to get a little bit more love than he did. I know his honorable mention and you know, he's still in the, in the eyes of the league, a top 10 or 12 cornerback. I think he's got the potential to be like right near that tier that Stingley's on right now.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And so this is, I understand Lassiter being on there if the, if the proving that he needs to do is that he's an elite cornerback.

[Seth Payne]

Right, right.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Well, and I think that's in that poll.

[Seth Payne]

He was the 11th ranked and I think a couple executives had him in the top five. If I recall Correct there, his highest vote was in the top five. I mean, if you think about it that way, like, okay, well, that, you know, if, that, if that was strictly mathematically correct. Then you've got 21 other teams where he'd be. Yeah, definitely their best starter and the guy that they want an improvement over, whichever cornerback they have.

[Narrator/Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

I think with Kamari, there's always going to be a perception that, okay, well, Stingley is the guy that we don't have to give safety help to ever. And we can really put all the pressure and stress on him. So the. I think that the game that I'm looking forward to is the Cowboys, because, like, I don't know, who are you going to.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Who are you going to focus on

[Seth Payne]

and send safety help to. With.

[Kendra Adachi]

With.

[Seth Payne]

With those two stud receivers if they're both healthy? And that. That's going to be just an awesome test for the defense in general, but also for those two cornerbacks facing off against a couple of the most prolific receivers in the league.

[Sean Pendergast]

Three of their first four games, they go against Josh Allen.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And then they go against Burrow with Higgins and Chase. And then two weeks later, thank God, all at home, but they go against Prescott, throwing to CD Lamb and George Pickens.

[Seth Payne]

I almost said screw the. Screw your. Thank God. But that would sound sacrilegious.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I don't. I don't need any extra, but I want to see him do it on the road. That's it. Yeah, it's good. Yes.

[Seth Payne]

It's good that it's at home. It's to their advantage, I think, for Kamari Lasseter proving it.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Do it on the road.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, for sure.

[Christian Gonzalez]

Yeah.

[Police Officer]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

The higher. Yeah, higher ceiling on the edge.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

What do you think he's scared, Sean?

[Sean Pendergast]

No, I don't think.

[Christian Gonzalez]

No, I'm gonna.

[Seth Payne]

I can't wait till he comes out here.

[Sean Pendergast]

I don't think it's.

[Seth Payne]

I'm gonna tell him you said he was yellow.

[Tony Romo]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Kids all know what that's gonna say.

[Sean Pendergast]

Like, what does that mean? Number nine on the list. He's got Will Anderson Jr. Again, contractually related. He just got. He. He was just made the highest paid non quarterback in football. I don't think Will goes into any of this stuff feeling like he's got anything to prove to anybody, you know,

[Seth Payne]

or that he's always going into anything, you know, wanting to prove it to himself or whatever it is.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah, I don't. That's a tough one.

[Seth Payne]

Because honestly, I mean, if, like, Will and others in the team want him to keep improving and Will probably, you know, Will's got high aspirations, but the level of play that he had last year justifies the contract. If that's all he did. Like he doesn't.

[Narrator/Commercial Voice]

If.

[Seth Payne]

If all he did was exactly what he already is. I don't know if I agree with him. Having to have something to prove.

[Christian Gonzalez]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

Other than anybody else does. Where you certainly can't.

[Sean Pendergast]

The runner up for the defensive player of the year for the next five years. He's worth the.

[Tony Romo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I don't know what he's going to.

[Seth Payne]

If he's the runner up for the defensive player of the year after miles Garrett has 20 sacks, nobody's going to be saying, I can't believe they gave this guy money.

[Sean Pendergast]

Right.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Can you believe they paid this guy that money?

[Commercial Voice]

Right.

[Sean Pendergast]

Right. Okay. So see that now I was the next couple. He's got Ed Ingram on here. That's a contractual one as well. Ed Ingram just got paid.

[Seth Payne]

Prove that he's worth it.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. Like the next few here on his list are kind of in the flavor that I think of when it's guys that have something to prove. Kate Stover is seventh on this list. And to me, the tight end room is the most intriguing one to me on this team when it comes to the competition in camp. And here's why. There, there are five names at that position. And again, I'm assuming health for everybody. So if everybody's healthy, you've got three guys who I think are locks to make the team well.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

And just to lay it out, there's five names.

[Seth Payne]

And if you. If you're an NFL team that keeps four, that's a lot. That's the exception. So most teams keep three tight ends.

[Sean Pendergast]

Most teams keep three. I think with Nick Kaley as the oc, I could see them keeping four here. I think Dalton Schultz and Marlon Klein are obviously making the team for totally different reasons. Schultz because he's a starter, Klein because he's a second round pick. Yeah, I think Foster Moreau is making this team. It just feels like he feels a need for them. That felt like a very purposeful signing, which means that one of two guys, if not both of guys that have gotten lauded at various times by the front office and coaching staff here. At various times, Cade Stover has been highlighted by management here at various times, Brevin Jordan has been highlighted by management. I think there's a reason they keep bringing Brevin Jordan back. There's an element that he brings when he's healthy. It's very unique. One or both of those two guys, assuming everybody's healthy is not. Is not going to be on this team in week one.

[Seth Payne]

I guess the one little Asterisk there might be if they really like Cade Stover when he's at fullback. And then you got to make a decision with British Brooks and special teams and all the rest of it. But even then, that's. That's typically something they might do to justify keeping a fourth tight end. And that would mean Brevin Jordan is gone.

[Sean Pendergast]

So, like a 95% chance, like 1 of those two guys is going to.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah. And I think.

[Seth Payne]

I think that. I think Cade Stover, if he just performs to a certain level, I think it's his roster spot to lose only because of Brevin Jordan's injury history and just every. Everything that's happened and the fact that, man, they've put a whole lot of emphasis on being tougher and more physical on the offensive side of the ball. And Brevin's just not a. He's not. He's not ever going to be a great blocker, you know, and it's not. That's not a knock against him. It's just a. The type of player he is is his athleticism and his versatility is his calling card.

[Sean Pendergast]

There's a place for a healthy Brevin.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Oh, yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, 100%, yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

But I think it just might not be the flavor of what they're going for right now.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay, I'm going to ask you kind of a subset to this question again. We were kind of cherry picking here with Jonathan Alexander of the chronicle and his 10 players with the most to prove the offensive line. If we use that as if we. If we were just doing an article about the offensive line, who's got the most to prove among that group on the offensive line?

[Seth Payne]

I mean, like, the less headline Grammy one, I guess, would be Jake Andrews, the center. Because the people are just assuming at this point that it's going to be.

[Sean Pendergast]

It looks like they drafted his replacement in the first place.

[Seth Payne]

Looks like they just drafted a guy that had played about 20 snaps at center in a senior all star game before he got here.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

So I've always got a little bit

[Seth Payne]

of soft spot for guys like Jake Andrews. Hey, look, he was basically a rookie himself when he started last year and was learning on the fly how to play center in the NFL that you shouldn't just assume that Keelan Rutledge is going to come in and win the spot, no problem.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

But I think for me, it would be Braden Smith. Just because,

[Seth Payne]

you know, he's. He didn't.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

It's not like he got like earth shattered.

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[Seth Payne]

or anything that guarantees them a starting spot at right tackle.

[Sean Pendergast]

He got, he. I think he's got less guaranteed money than Cam Robinson's contract was last year.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah, right, Right.

[Seth Payne]

And remember, like if when the Texans signed Cam Robinson last year, you'd said, oh, he's probably going to be gone by the fourth or fifth game, you would have, you know.

[Sean Pendergast]

What are you talking.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

What are you talking about?

[Seth Payne]

They got a rookie. He's gonna be there as a bridge to the rookie.

[Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

And it turns out, no, that's not what he was at all.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

But I don't think, I think for

[Seth Payne]

him, I don't see him being off the team, you know, at all. But I think that there's more of a competitive situation with Trent Brown perhaps than it feels like there is Wyatt Teller. I think, you know, just based on the interview he did with Landry and Cody, he himself, I think sounded like he kind of enjoyed this new challenge of having to prove himself all over again. Yeah. And, and I'm paraphrasing, but that some complacency starts to maybe seep in when you're in the same place for year after year and you're playing along the same side, same guys and everything. So I feel like. I feel like Wyatt Teller because of his injury history over the last couple of years, too. He's. He said specifically he wants to get back to playing like an all pro type of guy.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. I'll throw one more in there for me. And he. This is one. I kind of did my own little list of guys. Jonathan didn't have on here because he's got Rutledge on there at 5, Jonathan's got Wyatt Teller at 4. So he's got a couple of offensive linemen on there. I'm going to throw Ariante Ursary in there, the left tackle, because until we know what Keelan Rutledge is, the rest of these guys are all, relatively speaking, kind of future short timers. You know, Ed Ingram is going to be here for three years, so I guess, you know, he signed a second contract. But I think Ariante Ursary, in a perfect world is viewed as the next in the lineage of the fixtures they've had at left tackle, really spanning the better part, other than a couple little gaps. The better part of the last decade and a half. You know, they had Dwayne Brown from 2008 till 2017, and then you had the trash they had out there in 2018. But then they trade for Laramie Tunsil and they had him till last year. You know, there's almost a similar lineage. I'm not saying that any of these guys are the level of Andre Johnson, but it's a little like Andre Begat DeAndre, which kind of sort of with one little gap, begat Nico Collins. You've had an elite wide receiver for pretty much every season in the history of this team. You've also had pretty elite left tackle play for most of the history of this team. And I think in a perfect world, Ariante Usury becomes that guy that plays left tackle for you for the next 10 years. I think he still has more to prove to prove that he is that level of guy.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

I mean, and then again, a less heralded one. But a guy that really, really has a lot to prove is Blake Fisherman.

[Tony Romo]

Where.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, yeah. Well, he's just got to make the team.

[Seth Payne]

I mean, you got the offensive coordinator during minicamp basically saying that sounded like he didn't. They played six offensive linemen a lot last year. It didn't sound like that's what the preferred method was.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

That was a as we described it at the time.

[Seth Payne]

That was a desperation move. It wasn't because they were a bunch of knife, you know, axe murderers out there when they had six offensive linemen on the field. So you go out and you draft a tight end, you sign one in free agency. The offensive coordinator basically says, we don't want to be in jumbo all that much. So being the guy that comes in and does an okay job as a tight. A blocking tight end every now and then, that's not what should be keeping you on the team when you're in your. When. When you're drafted as a second rounder a few years back.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. All right, so those are some guys with some things to prove. Guys at this camp and this preseason in this season as a whole is really important for Sean Pendergast, Seth Payne with you here live. First day of Texans training camp. All right, we had some things going around the NFL, and I would say this one that we'll start with here is kind of tied to the Texans in a way, because Christian Gonzalez, it would appear the cornerback for the Patriots, is about to get paid. And this was Robert Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, at training camp over the weekend, being asked about the Patriots Pro bowl cornerback.

[Tony Romo]

We love fresh English the hardest. We love him as a player, as a person, you know, that's why we've made an offer to him that makes him the highest paid player ever to play that position in the NFL.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, okay. As soon as I, as soon as I saw that quote, Sean, this is my gut reaction as a player. Like, oh, shut up, you stupid old man. Like, that's, that's stupid baseball tactics.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Like when baseball.

[Seth Payne]

Baseball teams used to do that all the time. Like, hey, we made him the.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

We gave him this incredible offer. He should be grateful. Like, that kind of tactic. That's like, what do you.

[Seth Payne]

What are you bringing this public for?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

You know, aren't the owners the ones that are always trying to. The owners and the coaches want us

[Seth Payne]

to keep things in house and keep things quiet.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Are you trying to guilt trip me, Bobcraft?

[Sean Pendergast]

So, okay, so was that, in your opinion then, was that just an old man who got out over his old man skis, or was that a chess move by Robert Kraft right there?

[Seth Payne]

I think he thought it was a chess move.

[Sean Pendergast]

You do?

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, I think it was.

[Sean Pendergast]

He's a businessman.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Well, he's a very stingy NFL owner.

[Seth Payne]

I mean, like, he's. He's known as being one of the stingier guys when it comes to. He tosses nickels around like their manhole covers, John.

[Commercial Voice]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

And yeah, maybe there's.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I, I don't think. I think he thinks it's a chess move, but in reality, he probably also

[Seth Payne]

hates that he was talked into making this contract offer, that there's a part of him that really doesn't like it at all.

[Sean Pendergast]

You know who didn't seem to like the tactic one? Christian Gonzalez. This was Christian Gonzalez yesterday at Patriot, and I'll give you the Texans angle on this in a second, but here was Christian Gonzalez didn't seem like he was real happy with what Robert Kraft did.

[Christian Gonzalez]

Yeah, I mean, Everybody knows what Mr. Kraft has done. A ton of respect for Mr. Kraft and what he's done with this franchise. And, you know, it's just something we don't want to, we don't want to handle to the media. You know, I keep that with the team and my team and go on about that.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

This is something that your head coach says. You know, whether or not your head coach has also been involved in some

[Seth Payne]

kind of an alleged sex scandal that

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

usually, I mean, they've got everything flipped upside down with the Patriots. And I feel like coaches are not

[Seth Payne]

supposed to be involved in sex scandals.

[Sean Pendergast]

Right. That's the owner's job.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

That's the. Right, that's, that's, that's what Bob Kraft wants to be doing. The players are told all the time by coaches and owners like, hey, let's try to. We don't need to bring this public or whatever. But that's a move by Bob Kraft that specifically tries to pit the.

[Seth Payne]

Whether it's the intent or not, it pits the fans against the player. Yeah, because that's when people start saying, oh, this guy's ungrateful. I can't believe it. I can't believe the team was going

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

to make him the Highest paid patriot, etc. Etc. Etc. And you're supposed to be keeping it

[Seth Payne]

in house and he's not.

[Sean Pendergast]

And Gonzalez doesn't like it.

[Seth Payne]

They need this, this Patriots team. I never thought that I would get so immediately like, like right back in the groove of being sick of Patriots fans, then last season and just them having the easiest schedule in the history of the NFL. The fact that, look, they beat the Texans and there's nothing you can do about that. They were by far the better team that day. But my God, I'm just tired of them already.

[Sean Pendergast]

I am overloaded on Patriots under 10 and a half wins this year.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, overloaded.

[Sean Pendergast]

And that was before all the Rabel stuff off the field. I mean, you know that I've been saying that since the super bowl that I'm on Patriots under this year. The Texans angle to this Christian Gonzalez story is that either Gonzalez or Devin Witherspoon are about to be the highest paid cornerback in football. Now. Denzel Ward just swooped in and took that title yesterday. We're talking about new money. That's what guys look at. Denzel Ward of Cleveland just got a two year, $62.2 million extension, 31.1 million a year. It's 100,000 more than Trent McDuffie's making. So Derek Stingley's already fourth down on the list. A year into this thing, Kamari Lassiter is going to live in this neighborhood. He is going to be. If he has a season this year like he did last year where he improved by an incremental amount, like if he improves again and has the same stats that he did last year, there's no better, there's no better run defender at that position in the NFL. He piled on four or five picks. He's very good in coverage. He's great in the locker room. The team loves him. Well, he is going to be living in this 30 plus million dollar neighborhood.

[Seth Payne]

And if you look at the way that cornerbacks are being paid right now, it's a pretty stark difference between like the highest paid and the 10th highest paid or 11th highest paid. It goes from like Denzel Ward at 31 million per year down to Marlon Humphrey. Let's go. Alante Taylor at $19 million per year.

[Sean Pendergast]

And it's just like where is Alante Taylor on the. Like where does. He's 11th. Okay, gotcha.

[Seth Payne]

I'm sorry.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

So I think that like if you look at quarterbacks like right now it's weird because quarterbacks are all jam packed right around 50 to 55 million dollars. It's like almost all of them are making 50 million more. And then there's a huge gap. There's only a few that are making somewhere around the 15 to 20. And it's like. So there's.

[Sean Pendergast]

You got Darnold in Mayfield at 30.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it is.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. And then. So there's only like two or three of those guys. Yeah. But there's like with the, with the cornerbacks, it feels like the next few guys that get paid in the off season are probably going to be up closer to around 30 million. Even though Denzel Ward, you know, is at 31 million right now, that there's a good chance that Kamari is going to be somewhere in that neighborhood.

[Sean Pendergast]

They're going to find a way to

[Seth Payne]

make it work with him without even arguing. Because, like, people need to be reminded of this sometimes. It's not about whether a guy's better than the other guy. It's that this is the latest.

[Sean Pendergast]

Timing. Yeah, it's timing. So we talked a little about Tony Romo earlier in this segment. If you missed it, Tony Romo and I tweeted this the day that the news of his OWI arrest in Wisconsin. I guess it's OWI up there operating while intoxicated.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

That annoyed me.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Why the hell you got to be so different? I had to look up, like, I

[Seth Payne]

had to read an article.

[Sean Pendergast]

Wasted your time.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I know. What I didn't like when they started doing dui.

[Sean Pendergast]

Right.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Instead of dw.

[Sean Pendergast]

Right, Right, right. Hey, Wisconsin government. Is your time more valuable than Seth Payne's time?

[Seth Payne]

No. Wisconsin.

[Sean Pendergast]

Nope.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

The hell are you doing?

[Seth Payne]

You're allowing serial killers to run rampant, according to Netflix.

[Sean Pendergast]

Were you like me? That's true. Were you like me rubbing your hands together? Couldn't wait for the body cam footage to come out of the Tony Romo stop on the highway?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I don't. Not necessarily. I don't. I know you don't. I don't. I just. I don't delight in this stuff as

[Seth Payne]

much as you do.

[Commercial Voice]

I was.

[Seth Payne]

I know. I know.

[Sean Pendergast]

I couldn't wait for this one to come out.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

This ended up being a pleasant surprise,

[Seth Payne]

though, because I don't, like, eagerly anticipate these.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I just dread if it's.

[Seth Payne]

I don't want to see somebody, like, at their absolute worst, like, because then you start to feel like, oh, boy, this guy's down. Like, in. In a dark place right now.

[Christian Gonzalez]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

That's not what it feels like with Roma.

[Christian Gonzalez]

No.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

It felt like he was doing an NFL game.

[Commercial Voice]

No.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm gonna try to paint the picture as best I can here. Okay.

[Christian Gonzalez]

So there's.

[Sean Pendergast]

There it. So it dropped yesterday. There are two pieces of footage. There's about five or six minutes of him getting pulled over on the highway, interacting with the police officer, who happens to be a female. And there's that. They didn't want him to do the sobriety tests out there where they pulled him over because it was uneven. It was an uneven surface.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And it was on a bridge. So it would have been difficult for even a sober person to do these tests. So the first six minutes is him interacting with the cop.

[Seth Payne]

They take him back to this indoor

[Sean Pendergast]

facility, like a parking Garage.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I don't know if it's a retractable

[Seth Payne]

roof or not, but, yeah, it felt almost like, okay, you're enough. It almost felt like you're in a field house doing a. Doing a workout with a team.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Sean Pendergast]

A little bit. And so that's about four or five minutes. The sobriety. So the sobriety test of the second video. I would say this about the first video. I thought he was executing our you got pulled over playbook pretty well.

[Seth Payne]

The one that we, you know, pulling all the way over to the side had the lights on, all that stuff.

[Sean Pendergast]

Being very cordial, being asked when he was being educated on what exactly he did, because it was. He crossed over a line is what happened.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

He wasn't getting pulled over for speeding. It didn't seem like his driving was just a little erratic.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And so he didn't say, I wasn't doing that. He asked the officer what her name was. You know, he's being very cordial. I thought the first video, if you had just shown me that and said, do you think Tony Romo got an OWI based on this? I would have said, no. He just seems like Tony Romo. He's being pretty friendly. You know, the one being very cooperative.

[Seth Payne]

The one thing real quick about the crossing the line, the thing you always got to remember that is when you see the camera footage, you're like, oh, that doesn't seem that bad. Remember, you should be aware that there's a cop behind you.

[Police Officer]

Yes.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

So, like, that's, like, that's. That's the best you can do when

[Seth Payne]

you know you've got. If you're checking your rear view mirror,

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

like, you should be like, this is

[Seth Payne]

the best you can do when you've got a cop behind you.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I think that that's why I always

[Seth Payne]

give the cops the benefit of the doubt with that.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

This clown can't even stay between the

[Seth Payne]

lines when he's got a cruiser behind him.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Right.

[Sean Pendergast]

And then they walk up like, oh, God, it's Tony Romo.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Probably can't even.

[Seth Payne]

Probably can't even hold a field goal

[Sean Pendergast]

kick, catch a snap.

[Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Commercial Voice]

So.

[Sean Pendergast]

So the first video, I thought, I'm like, okay, it's. This seems all right. It was actually interesting because at the end of that video, when they were in the highway, they actually cuffed him to bring him to where they would do the sobriety test. So I got confused by that a little bit. I'm like, wait, are they arresting him? He didn't even do Any tests. But I guess by law they have to cuff him if he gets into a police.

[Seth Payne]

It's really because of OJ Maybe. You know, that's like, ever since then, it's like, wait a second. Former NFL player. Don't, don't, don't, don't act like, hey, this is no big deal. Put him in cuffs. Otherwise we're gonna have a slow moving chase through the wilds of Wisconsin.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Right, Right.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay. So the actual sobriety test, which I know you've seen.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Vintage Romo. Vintage Romo.

[Seth Payne]

Didn't understand explanations from Gene stereotype.

[Sean Pendergast]

I don't know how this. I close my eyes in playing this part of the video. Like to see does this translate on the radio? So I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take a shot here.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Okay. And I'm gonna stick up for him based on a presentation that we used to get back in the day as NFL players.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay. So this is Romo trying to. Romo is the faint voice you hear. The big voice you're going to hear is the cop administering the sobriety test. And keep in mind the test she's asking him to do is take your right foot and put the heel next to the toe of your left foot. And then we're going to do some steps. Tony Romo is not grasping this. Here, this is what it sounded like.

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[Sean Pendergast]

Kind of like him. Are you shaking a maraca?

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[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

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[Seth Payne]

There's a pill version of Ozempic.

[Police Officer]

Not start to walk until I. Until you're told to do so.

[Tony Romo]

Okay.

[Police Officer]

Do you understand the instructions so far?

[Tony Romo]

So put my left foot down, right foot in front, on the line, and then I'm gonna wait for you.

[Police Officer]

Do you understand the instructions?

[Tony Romo]

No, I don't. There's too many. We gotta go step by step.

[Police Officer]

Okay. All right. So take your left foot, put it on the line, the straight line. Real or imaginary?

[Tony Romo]

You can show me how to do it real quick.

[Police Officer]

Take your right foot.

[Tony Romo]

So left foot, put the right foot

[Police Officer]

in front, left foot on the line, right foot in front. Heel to toe, touching so greater. Yep. Heel to toe touching here.

[Commercial Voice]

Yep.

[Tony Romo]

Just like this. Left foot on the line, right foot directly in front of it.

[Sean Pendergast]

Arms down at your side while she

[Seth Payne]

explains the rest of the answer.

[Tony Romo]

Jon, stay here.

[Police Officer]

Yep.

[Tony Romo]

Okay.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Okay.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm gonna let you do your thing.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay.

[Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Okay. This is what it's a player version.

[Seth Payne]

Tony Romo's first year in the NFL was 2004. My last year in the NFL was 2006. And so I can remember the last

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

time, you know, at the beginning, during training Camp. They have, you know, they have a. They have different former cops, former FBI

[Seth Payne]

agents coming to talk to you about various things.

[Tony Romo]

Sure.

[Seth Payne]

Gambling, all of that stuff. But they also, you know, covered drunk driving.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's smart.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

And I'm wondering.

[Seth Payne]

I can't remember who it was that gave the last speech, but would have been. It would have been when, you know, Romo was in the league, and maybe it was the same law enforcement group that would go up to Dallas to give it. I can remember them specifically talking about that part of the test. The left in front of the right foot. And basically, they were showing and demonstrating to us that it's like, it's. It's really hard to do if you're sober, which leads a lot of people to say, officer, I couldn't do this

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

if I was sober.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, no.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Oh, no.

[Commercial Voice]

Crap.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

No. But it is.

[Seth Payne]

There is, like, one of the things that they're using as a potential check against you is that you're not following instructions, that a lot of people think, I'm just gonna walk down this line, left foot in front of the right foot.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

So I feel like he was. He's had that training, or he's been in those seminars, and he was trying

[Seth Payne]

to be extra careful about just knowing that you got to follow the instructions very specifically.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Like, I can remember them telling us,

[Seth Payne]

don't start walking until they tell you to start walking.

[Christian Gonzalez]

Right.

[Seth Payne]

And that's what she said there. She's like, don't start until I say start.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay, fair enough. And I understand your point.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

There was nothing in that video that I watched where it seemed like she was trying to get over on him.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Oh, no, no, no. I'm not saying. I'm not trying to paint it out

[Seth Payne]

like it's a dirty thing or anything. I think he was, but I think that's what was in his brain, is he was, like, trying to get the instructions 100%. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay.

[Seth Payne]

But you kind of saying it's a nefarious tactic.

[Sean Pendergast]

No, no, no, no. Okay, that. But that's. That's how I kind of took it.

[Seth Payne]

Well, because you're a known criminal.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

That's how you. That's how you get around the fuzz.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm not good at it, obviously, because I've never been arrested, so. But. So the. Here's where Tony failed the test, and this is the visual part of it. You're supposed to go heel to toe.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

He just starts walking.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

That's what. That's. That's how I knew he was drunk.

[Seth Payne]

Allegedly.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Because that's it, Sean. So I'm thinking that I'm watching the presentation, like, all this stuff that he used to give me.

[Sean Pendergast]

Are you having flashbacks?

[Seth Payne]

No.

[Sean Pendergast]

Well, not to a dui, I'm saying to when they. When the league was educating.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yes. Yeah. So I'm watching. I was like, oh, yeah, I remember the heel, the toe part. And then. So I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, saying, like, oh, okay, well, that's what he's trying to do. And then. Then he blows past the heel. The toe part. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Just starts walking. I mean, not even close.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I don't.

[Sean Pendergast]

It's not even like, the heel missed and grazed the toe.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

He just starts strolling.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I can't wait until the part in

[Seth Payne]

the trial where his lawyer is like, your Honor, I know that he might seem drunk, but let's bring up some footage from the AFC playoffs this year.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

And jeans stereotype. Gene stereotype tries to explain to Tony

[Seth Payne]

some of the very basic rules of football. And Tony flip flops 29 times, pretending to understand.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

And to which, if I were the

[Seth Payne]

prosecuting attorney, I would say, Mr. Romo, were you drinking at all on that day?

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Because I want answers.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yes.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

If anything comes out of this, thank

[Seth Payne]

God nobody was hurt.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

It's.

[Seth Payne]

We can find out whether he's actually drunk as hell on game days.

[Commercial Voice]

Do you.

[Sean Pendergast]

Do you think that cbs. That this arrest of Tony Romo had the CBS executives running to the files to start thumbing through his contract to see if he had a morals clause in there or not?

[Seth Payne]

I think they're like, see if they

[Sean Pendergast]

could get out from underneath however many years of $18 million of Tony Romo they've got.

[Seth Payne]

I think they're like, oh, this is just another thing. It happened with Mark Sanchez. It can happen with Tony Romo, too.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Oh, thank God. Who is Mark Sanchez with? Was he Fox?

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. They're like, his was wild.

[Seth Payne]

Well, his was wild. Yeah. And it remains so. But he also wasn't making as much as Tony Romo. That's been a ridiculously bad contract.

[Sean Pendergast]

It's been a bad contract. And they've got a guy waiting in the wings in J.J. watt that everybody really seems to like and does a good job. So, yeah. As long as we're talking about automotive escapades around the NFL, how weird is this Kyle Shanahan thing to you?

[Seth Payne]

Okay, this is my confession.

[Sean Pendergast]

Should I tell people what the latest is?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah, yeah. So. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

So. So. So I think most people know that Kyle Shanahan got into a car accident all the way back on July 14th. Most of society.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Bastille Day.

[Sean Pendergast]

Most of society. It is Bastille Day. Yeah. Maybe he was out celebrating the day

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

they invented the croissant, Right?

[Sean Pendergast]

Indeed. Yes. Yes. And French fries. So. So the. The. Most of society didn't learn about this accident until the Niners put out a statement 11 days later.

[Seth Payne]

They were too busy with the Bastille Day celebration.

[Sean Pendergast]

Kyle Shanahan was in this accident immediately after the statement was put out by the 49ers, like a minute later. Adam Schefter's got all the details. He's got. He had two broken ribs, he had a broken nose, he's got a concussion.

[Seth Payne]

Amazing. He dug it into. Dug into it so.

[Sean Pendergast]

Well, effectively in 60 seconds, he was able to get all this. So there's all sorts of conjecture that the Niners asked for all kinds of favors for the media to sit on this thing.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Then it finally gets reported. And now here we are at the beginning of training camp, and apparently yesterday the report had been that Kyle Shanahan hit head on with a 21 year old woman and the accident was her fault.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Kyle Shanahan. The police report said that was what the report said.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Kyle Shanahan pulls eight reporters into his office yesterday to tell them, like, hey, it was actually my fault. The phone fell between the seats in my car and I was reaching out to get it.

[Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And I looked down, I look up and blamo. I get into this accident. I was only going 20 miles an hour, he said, and I got into this accident. It was a clerical error, according to Shanahan and maybe according to the police office, too, that had them flag the wrong person in the system at being at fault.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

It was supposed to be Shanahan. Something is fishy.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Something is fishy.

[Sean Pendergast]

Something's fishy.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

The fact that the clerical error was all that. Listen, okay, this is my unpopular opinion on this.

[Sean Pendergast]

Everything was fishy when it took 11 days for this thing to come out.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

You know what I loved?

[Seth Payne]

I loved that Florio is one of the people that were going off on everybody about, how could you not report this? How can you not report this?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

And then the next day he's on

[Seth Payne]

with his co host, Chris Sims, who's

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

talking about all the. All the conversations he had with Kyle Shanahan's wife and everything following the.

[Sean Pendergast]

We've got some Sims audio. We just don't have time to play it.

[Commercial Voice]

So.

[Seth Payne]

Okay.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

There's a part of me where I kind of like I was kind of

[Seth Payne]

like this with Sorsby.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I'm like, you know what? I kind of like it when a local police department kind of takes up for the guy. Like, ah, like, all right, they didn't. They just kind of what? It's a car. It's a. It's basically a fender bender. Okay, like, what's the big deal? What if he was an unpopular opinion

[Seth Payne]

amongst my brother brethren in the media?

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

What if he was drinking?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Oh, well, no, that's a whole different scenario. Yeah, then he's a danger to society

[Seth Payne]

and he should be, you know, dragged across the asphalt.

[Sean Pendergast]

And I know the report was that there was no alcohol or drugs involved, but the report was also that it wasn't his fault. And it turns out it was.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Sean. Sean.

[Seth Payne]

Life's not always cut and dry the way we want it to be.

[Sean Pendergast]

Something's fishy.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

There's a place where there's Brendan Sorsby or Kyle Shanahan. There's a place for like, hey, hey, look, the football coach gotten a little bit of a tough.

[Seth Payne]

You know what?

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Let's just. Let's just move along here. Let's move along here. Okay.

[Seth Payne]

This is what's pathetic, though. So Kyle Shanahan comes out and says, okay, this is what actually happened. You know, didn't want this young woman to be taking the brunt of all this criticism or anything. All these reporters. Grant Cohn out of San Francisco says Kyle Shanahan just called the beat writers into his office to tell us that he was at fault for the car crash, not the other driver. He swerved into her lane.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

I have so much respect for Shanahan for setting the record straight. He's a stand up guy.

[Seth Payne]

Another writer or media prison chase senior. Kyle Shanahan just did what Mike Vrabel didn't do. Took accountability.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Like, all right, look, this was gonna

[Seth Payne]

come out at some point, you know,

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Like, I don't know if the. The family, the woman's family or herself might sue him.

[Seth Payne]

If it keeps getting presented this way,

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

like, it's gonna come out, like, good for him.

[Seth Payne]

Not trying to bury it completely.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

But let's not act like. Let's not like, act like he threw

[Seth Payne]

himself in front of a locomotive.

[Sean Pendergast]

Kyle Shanahan admitted to the truth on the story that the team sat on for 11 days.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

He threw himself in front of the

[Seth Payne]

bus because his cell. Because he had dropped his cell phone

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

in front of the bus.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yes. Perfect metaphor.

[Co-host/Analyst (possibly Landry or Cody)]

Perfect metaphor.

[Seth Payne]

He knocked a little kid out of the way of the path of a bus, but it was only because he was trying to retrieve his own cell phone.

[Sean Pendergast]

All right, coming up next, it's the final segment. All right, we did a Pender poll while Seth was out on media decorum. I'll call it press conference decorum.

[Seth Payne]

I'm very interested on.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm interested to see what side of the aisle Seth is on this one. Who was worse? Vrabel with the puppy dog or Joellen Bead with his little kid? We've got that coming up next.

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[Seth Payne]

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