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Sean
the Lakers made a bunch of moves, and I'm not going to act like I didn't notice the same thing Stephen A. Smith is about to point out here. They let LeBron go. They resigned. They gave Austin Reaves a big extension. They brought in Walker Kessler. They made a couple other moves that by and large, all involved white dudes. Yeah, they, the, the, the, the graphics that were being put up yesterday were hilarious. Of all the white dudes, the Lakers have been signing and resigning. Now that doesn't affect my handicap on what I think the Lakers are going to be this season. They've got one of the five best players in the sport when he's healthy, happens to be white. Luka Doncic. Austin Reeves is a good player. We'll see. I mean, they're, they're not on OKC's level or San Antonio's level in the Western Conference. But, but they're, they're a good basketball team. Stephen A. Smith, I think, took it a step further here. This was Stephen A. Smith yesterday. Not a fan of the Lakers. Gather up all the white dudes. Strategy.
Stephen A. Smith
Where the hell the Los Angeles Lakers think they going with a bunch of white dudes? Your three top players are white dudes. Really? This ain't golf. This ain't baseball. Hell, it ain't even soccer. What y' all think this is? Basketball? In NBA history, when have you seen your three most prominent players on a basketball team all be white? And that takes you to the promised land. Somebody got to say it, so I'm saying it. This is basketball. I'm not complaining. I'm simply making the point. The Los Angeles Lakers, you ain't going anywhere being led by three white dudes in today's generation of basketball. I'm letting you know right now. And they happened it. And Luke is a bad brother, and Austin Reeves is no scrub, and they both have earned what they have earned. And then with LeBron James or some other brothers, I get. But those two. And Walker Kessler, you ain't scaring anybody with that. And Rob Pelinka has done made this white dude Central. No wonder LeBron James walked out the door.
Sean
Okay, so that's something. No wonder LeBron James walked out the door.
Co-host/Commentator
That's why LeBron left. He was getting a little too white.
Sean
Yeah. Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
I don't know, man. Like, Stephen A. Tries so hard. It's like, it's. Yes, it's a. It's not a hard observation to make. The part, though, that's most disingenuous, though, I think is, like, he's saying, like, I don't have a problem with it.
Richard Deitsch
Like. Okay.
Co-host/Commentator
By the tone of your voice and your. Your questions about it went a little too far in saying in NBA history.
Sean
Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
You know, but you got to go back to, you know, like the 84 Celtics or so probably to where you get the best. The big three. The big three on your team being a bunch of white guys. Okay, well, listen, lots of things that. Lots of things that happen haven't. Haven't happened in a long time or that have never happened before. Happened all the time. Something has never happened before, happens every day.
Sean
Until it's never happened.
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah.
Sean
Until it happens. Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
So I think the biggest thing would be if you were going to be genuinely irate about it, it would be as if they decided, like, no, we're specifically. What we need to do is have nothing but white guys.
Sean
Like, that was strategy.
Co-host/Commentator
Nobody's really accusing the Lakers of that, are they?
Sean
No.
Co-host/Commentator
I feel like if any. If any organ, like, deserves a little bit of grace and understanding that. That black basketball players are a very valuable part. Right, right.
Stephen A. Smith
You know.
Co-host/Commentator
You know what? You know what? It took me a long while to come around out, but I think the. I think the black basketball players, I think they're pretty I think they're pretty established.
Sean
Okay, so can I do an impromptu, almost like a money in the bank. Spontaneous. Take a mania here.
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah.
Sean
And put Stephen A's. Take that. We just played up against the champ. This is Adam Schefter from last week talking about the Brendan Sorsby situation.
Richard Deitsch
NFL essentially sent him a letter. And the NFL is declining to hold a supplemental draft. And honestly, something was amiss with this all along because every time you spoke to people around the league about when the supplemental draft would be and whether or not there would be a supplemental, I always got pauses and there were never clear set answers. And like, the commissioner's got to decide to have it. I'm like, what is the issue? Well, the issue is that the league, despite any gambling partnerships, the league really does not want any part of gambling, no matter how serious.
Co-host/Commentator
The league, despite the gambling partnerships, doesn't want anything at all, anything with gambling, despite making a boatload of money from it. They want nothing to do with it.
Sean
So is Stephen A's bewilderment with the Lakers seemingly going with some sort of all white direction with their roster a worse take than Adam Schefter?
Co-host/Commentator
I just. You know what? Honestly, I just. With it. When it comes to stuff like this with Stephen A, I just don't feel like dealing with it. I got is. I think it just. It's just. No, it doesn't make.
Sean
Okay, all right.
Co-host/Commentator
Now. I just. I don't want this in my life.
Sean
Yeah.
Stephen A. Smith
Yeah.
Sean
Okay. I mean, that's. It's not the best reason in the world to pick a winner, but it's.
Co-host/Commentator
You're the judge. The hell I want.
Sean
No, I know. That's why I said you're the judge and jury. Yeah, like it's. Yeah, it's funny, I put in. I asked Chat, GPT has there. You know, I want to fact check Stephen A. On this. Has there ever been an NBA title team whose three best players were white? And I see it. I'm kind of glancing down while I'm looking at you, and I'm seeing it start to spit out a few teams. I'm like, oh, take this, Stephen A. The 1957, 58St. Louis Hawks.
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah, take that.
Stephen A. Smith
Yeah.
Sean
Bob Pettit, Cliff Hagen and Jack Coleman. 1956, 57 Philadelphia Warriors, Paul Arizon, Tom Gola, Neil Johnston, and then of course, the early George Mikan led Minneapolis Lakers. Now, Chat does say in the modern NBA, which. Which they count as roughly like the. The merger with the ABA in the 70s. These are the teams that have come close. The Dallas Mavericks in 2011. Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, who is biracial, plus Paja Stojakovich had a supporting role on the team. That's number one.
Co-host/Commentator
A supporting role.
Sean
Supporting role. The Denver Nuggets, Nicola Jokic. And then says an Aaron Gordon. Not white. Okay. So basically they had Jokic. So they wind up on the list because he's a gigantic white guy. He counts as two white guys. And then they do bring up the Celtics. Celtics were the first one I thought of.
Co-host/Commentator
Danny Ainge, Larry Bird, and then Kevin McHale. McHale, yeah.
Sean
That's the closest. Because I think you could argue. Well, Bird was the best player in the league at the time. And Mikhail, I think, was definitely one of their three best players. Mikhail was unstoppable in the low post. Danny Angels, probably. Robert Parrish was probably better than Danny Ainge. But Danny was good. He was an. That's the closest. Yeah, that's the closest. This is important research that we're doing right here with this, for sure.
Co-host/Commentator
What are the Lakers championship odds right now with.
Sean
With their all white strategy? Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah. How is there. How have their odds moved since they've determined that they're going to be an entirely white? They're basically going to be the Utah Jazz in the Hollywood Hills.
Co-host/Commentator
It's impossible to have fun with this topic. Yeah. So fun.
Sean
Right now I'm enjoying myself.
Co-host/Commentator
All right.
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Sean
How about we circle back to should Evan Gaddis get a tribute video? Is that an easier one? Because that's a name. That's guy.
Co-host/Commentator
You go right to that, don't you, Sean? Yeah, yeah. Evan. Would he not speak?
Sean
It's the text that I'm reading. I don't remember any big moments that he had, but I'm starting to come around on your guys with the. Who have a vibe to them a little bit. You know, they just, you know, they're I fond memories of them. Just Victor Carrots fond memories. And you were on those World series teams. It can't just be some dude who played on an 85 win team.
Co-host/Commentator
And I like fond memories of Lou of Caratini. I just say that's where I feel like you're adjudicating like sentimentality. Where the.
Sean
Yes.
Co-host/Commentator
You know, you. You guys are treating you guys and I'm talking to the people who said that I was acting like they're a participation trophy. Yeah. It's not a freaking prize. It's just something to show in the pre game where you're like, oh, hey, look at this guy's back in town. Here we go. Look at that. Remember the good times with this guy. I don't feel like it's a. It's a. I didn't put it attach as much importance to it.
Sean
Someone says, I have a special tribute for Mike Fires.
Co-host/Commentator
Oh, yeah. Mike Fi. Well, what's his name? Punch himself in the face.
Sean
Oh, oh. Oh, my God. Ken Giles.
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah, Ken Giles. Like, should he not get a tribute video?
Sean
He definitely should get a tribute video.
Co-host/Commentator
All of his meltdown.
Sean
It should be 90 seconds of him punching himself in the face on a loop over and over and over again for sure. So, yeah, Mike Fiers. Evan Gaddis getting some love on here. Trey Mancini. Someone says for that play at first base in the World Series, you were adamant against Trey Mancini.
Co-host/Commentator
I just. Yeah, he didn't. They traded for him and he didn't do anything other than make that. That nice play. Which it wasn't. It wasn't like an incredible play or anything. It was one.
Sean
It was.
Co-host/Commentator
It wouldn't have been an error if he missed it. Yeah, but it wasn't like the most ridiculously impossible catch to make.
Sean
But he had just come in because, remember, Yuli had let. He came in cold off the bench because Yuli had hurt his ankle or something like that.
Co-host/Commentator
That's true.
Sean
People forget about that. Yuli didn't play in that. In that. In that World Series clincher back in the day.
Co-host/Commentator
Smothered a blistering ground ball.
Sean
That's what it was. Yes, that's what it was. That's what it was. Smothered the blistering ground ball.
Co-host/Commentator
Died for it. Let me. I'm watching it right now. I haven't watched it. I've just been going in my mind.
Sean
Okay, so you're reacting to it right now. You're looking at it.
Co-host/Commentator
You'd have to go to the turf for it.
Sean
Yep.
Co-host/Commentator
I'm about to watch the replay because you didn't see it in real time. And I just remember at the time being like, all right, seriously, are we really making it? I mean, it went. He had to step to his left, and he stopped it, you know, with his body. Yeah.
Sean
This is where I'm gonna get nerdy. Do we know what the exit Velo was off the bat?
Co-host/Commentator
It was pretty hard hit.
Sean
Yeah. Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
I don't know what the exit.
Sean
If we. If it was on the. It wasn't on the Astros broadcast because it was a World Series game, but if it were, Blum would have given us the exit velocity a second after that play was made. Yeah, like, oh, 111 off the bat. And look at Mancini making the play.
Co-host/Commentator
It looked like it skipped a frame or two on his way to Mancini.
Jimmy Conrad
Yeah.
Sean
Yep. In the end, my whole tribute video thing, I was pretty welcoming with my criteria. I think we pretty much got everybody in there. Maybe everybody except Victor Caratini.
Co-host/Commentator
You know, the whole thing about that was it was. Okay, the two outs, bottom of the eighth, runners on first and third.
Sean
Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
And that was. That's. That's a run for sure.
Sean
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Looks like someone's coming around on the old Tre Mancini tribute video.
Co-host/Commentator
And not enough to, like. Lots of guys have made nice plays in the World Series. Lots of guys have made nice plays in the World Series. And you guys, I don't understand the love for treatment. Even when the Astros were playing Uzi with. Now they were playing him earlier this year, Mancini was, like, two home runs. And. And I brought up, like, how annoying that was. Like, I don't know. Trey Mancini.
Sean
Yeah.
Richard Deitsch
Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
He just had, like, all gaga in your eyes over Trey Mancini.
Richard Deitsch
He.
Sean
I Think he went to Notre Dame, so I may have some subliminal love for him from that.
Co-host/Commentator
I don't like any college.
Sean
Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
I don't like any baseball player who went to college. No. Go to work like a man, Damn it.
Sean
That's it. They'll let you.
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah, the Angels. That's right. He's with the Angels.
Sean
The Angels, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever happened to Kyle, Kyle Tucker's brother? That would be Preston Tucker. He was part of the Astros when they were really, really bad. I don't know. Whatever happened to him, he did not make as much money as his younger brother Kyle. All right, painted painter. Gas with you.
Co-host/Commentator
Who was the guy that was always pudgy when he was here and then he left and he got all slimmed up? Oh, somebody that you didn't like. The listeners will remember exactly who I'm talking about.
Sean
Okay, text in. Was he a pitcher or was he an everyday player?
Co-host/Commentator
I'm not remembering anything more than the pudginess right now.
Sean
Okay, let's talk about the Astros. We got the final segment coming up. We'll find out what the guys got going on on in the Loop. Look, I'm going to be gone for the full week next week, so by the time I get back, it'll be the All Star break. The Astro White.
Stephen A. Smith
Tyler White.
Co-host/Commentator
That's right. It was Tyler White.
Sean
Tyler White, he got skinny.
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah, he got real skinny because people were like, what the hell's going on with him? He went out to la, probably, you know, back. Back before Ozempic was widespread, I'm guessing. And he saw that, like, oh, they got the. All these actors, you know, those dirty doctors out there in LA that work with a celebrity. Tyler White.
Sean
Tyler White, that's right. Was it a.
Co-host/Commentator
No, he actually, if I remember correctly, it was like they discovered he had some kind of a thyroid problem or something. Fix it. And he ended up being a little. And then I felt bad for getting frustrated with Tyler White at times.
Sean
Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
With his pudginess.
Sean
A little chunky. Oh, yeah. Now I do, too. I didn't realize about the thyroid thing. All right, final segment coming up. The Astros are three games under.500 right now. I'm gone till after the All Star break. What is an acceptable record for me for by the time I get back? We'll talk about that. What the Astros got coming up. We'll talk to the guys on in the Loop as well and see what they've got. See what they've got going on. On in the Loop today. Question of the day and so forth. We'll do that coming up next.
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Podcast: Payne & Pendergast
Episode: Mini-Take-a-Mania 1v1 Schefter vs Stephen A
Date: July 2, 2026
Theme: Houston Sports Hot Takes, NBA Offseason, and Astros Sentimentality
This episode centers around an electrifying "Take-a-Mania" showdown, pitting two of sports media’s hottest takes against each other: Stephen A. Smith’s reaction to the Los Angeles Lakers’ “all white guys” roster makeover, and Adam Schefter’s skepticism about the NFL’s stance on gambling despite lucrative partnerships. Seth Payne, Sean Pendergast, and their crew break down both takes with wit, fact-checking, and Houston-centric banter. The conversation then shifts to a lighter debate about which former Astros truly deserve tribute videos, mixing nostalgia with classic talk radio ribbing.
[01:15]–[03:23] Context:
Sean and the crew tee up Stephen A. Smith’s viral commentary on the Lakers’ offseason moves, pointing out a new nucleus built around Luka Doncic, Austin Reaves, and Walker Kessler—all white players.
[02:21] Stephen A. Smith’s Take:
Quote:
“Where the hell the Los Angeles Lakers think they going with a bunch of white dudes? Your three top players are white dudes. Really? This ain't golf. This ain't baseball. Hell, it ain't even soccer... you ain't going anywhere being led by three white dudes in today's generation of basketball. I'm letting you know right now.”
—Stephen A. Smith [02:21]
Hosts React:
“Lots of things that haven't happened in a long time... happen all the time. Something that’s never happened before, happens every day.” —Co-host [04:00]
“Despite the gambling partnerships, the league really does not want any part of gambling, no matter how serious.” [05:47]
Stephen A. Smith on color composition:
“This ain’t golf. This ain’t baseball... you ain’t going anywhere being led by three white dudes in today’s generation of basketball.” [02:21]
Co-host on historic firsts:
“Something that’s never happened before, happens every day.” [04:00]
Sean fact-checks via AI:
“I asked ChatGPT… has there ever been an NBA title team whose three best players were white?... Take this, Stephen A...” [06:26–06:52]
Co-host on not taking hot takes too seriously:
“With stuff like this with Stephen A, I just don’t feel like dealing with it. I don’t want this in my life.” [06:06]
On Astros tribute videos:
“It's not a freaking prize. It's just something to show in the pre-game where you're like, ‘oh, hey, look at this guy's back in town.’ Look at that. Remember the good times with this guy.” [10:39]
On Ken Giles video:
“It should be 90 seconds of him punching himself in the face on a loop over and over and over again...” [11:20]
The hosts bring their signature blend of sharp analysis, sarcasm, and Houston sports pride to each segment. Their approach is both self-aware and mocking of sports radio “take culture,” especially regarding social media’s outrage cycles and the nostalgia Houston fans have for quirky role players. The entire episode is brisk, irreverent, and highly listenable, perfect for those seeking both updates and laughs from the Houston sports world.
Recommended if:
You love witty banter, hot take breakdowns, and a mix of serious analysis with goofball sports-radio energy. This episode especially suits fans following the NBA offseason, Houston Astros lore, and anyone entertained by the art of the sports "take."