STOCK UP, STOCK DOWN + Which NFL coach will get fired first ?

Summary

Payne & Pendergast: STOCK UP, STOCK DOWN + Which NFL Coach Will Get Fired First?

Episode Date: August 12, 2026
Podcast: Payne & Pendergast (Audacy)
Hosts: Seth Payne, Sean Pendergast

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Overview

In this lively episode, Seth Payne and Sean Pendergast take listeners inside Houston Texans training camp, breaking down early standouts ("stock up") and disappointments ("stock down") as the team heads into its first preseason game. The duo also debates which NFL coach is most likely to be fired first in the upcoming season, revisiting their annual "Head Coach Death Pool" and unpacking the latest odds. Sprinkled through are memorable anecdotes, inside jokes, and the hosts' trademark blend of sharp football analysis and friendly banter—keeping Houston fans informed and entertained.

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Texans Training Camp: Chippiness and Culture Shift

[01:12 – 04:39]

• The show opens discussing a practice dust-up between Keelan Rutledge and Will Anderson Jr., viewed as a positive sign of intensity under coach DeMeco Ryans.
  • Seth notes the offensive line’s scrappy new attitude, pointing to Keelan Rutledge, Wyatt Teller, and Ed Ingram as physical tone-setters.
  • Quote (Seth Payne, 02:48): “There's more of a scrappy element to these guys, especially on the interior offensive line, which has really been the source of so many of the issues the last few years in the run game and in the pass protection... They enjoy the physical aspect of the game. That's what their calling card is.”
• The hosts compare this year's toughness to the 2024 Packers game, when no Texans O-linemen stood up for quarterback C.J. Stroud after a hit, highlighting much-needed cultural changes.

[03:39 – 04:40]

• The debate on Rutledge’s aggressive play: Will it lead to 15-yard penalties? Both think he’ll walk the line but won’t play dirty—a sign of welcome nastiness up front.

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Stock Up: Early Standouts in Texans Camp

[04:40 – 09:04]

Top Performers

• Jaden Higgins (WR):
  • Showcasing remarkable chemistry with C.J. Stroud; has elevated from a decent rookie to a “revelation.”
  • Quote (Sean Pendergast, 05:23): "The connection that he's had with C.J. Stroud throughout pretty much the entirety of training camp...has been really encouraging to see."
• Jadeveon Clowney (DE):
  • Clowney’s presence, attitude, and physicality—especially against the run—impress as he embraces a backup role.
  • Quote (Seth Payne, 06:16): "Clowney's physicality especially versus the run is something that some of those other guys...they don't offer that same dynamic. He fits the mold of this defense way more than I think people probably would think..."
• Texans Rookie Class (Collectively):
  • Early promise from Marlon Klein (TE), Colin Wright (DB), Louis Bond (WR), Wade Woodas (RB), and Keelan Rutledge (OL), who’s so good he’s almost not considered a "rookie."
  • Rutledge singled out for maturity and quick adaptation at center, despite little prior experience.
  • Quote (Seth Payne, 08:46): “I think everything about his conscientiousness, the way he works, his, how he's adapted to playing center without hardly ever having played the position before—I don't doubt that he's going to continue to get better.”

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Stock Down: Texans Players in Trouble

[09:04 – 14:02]

• Brevin Jordan (TE):
  • Injuries continue to derail his career; faces tough competition in a loaded tight end group.
  • Marlon Klein emerges as a more complete prospect, pushing Jordan further down the depth chart.
  • Quote (Sean Pendergast, 09:48): "This is the deepest tight end room they’ve had...And [Jordan] is fifth on the board."
• Jawar Jordan (RB):
  • Stock down due to another injury, despite earlier promise as a potential RB3.
  • Exposes Texans’ lack of proven depth at running back in case of a David Montgomery injury.
• Jack Stonehouse (Punter):
  • Cut after disappointing performance; Kai Kroger surprises with better-than-expected punting.
• Jake Andrews (C):
  • Once a contender for the starting center job, now fighting for a roster spot due to versatility concerns and improved play by others.

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Texans Offensive Line & Running Game Analysis

[13:14 – 15:21]

• Seth cautions fans not to overreact to modest running-game results in camp, highlighting improved technique and cohesion even if big plays are scarce.
• The offensive line’s progress is more about process and fundamentals than immediate statistics; physicality and better reads are apparent compared to previous years.
  • Quote (Seth Payne, 14:02): “Maybe this is the best way to put it. They have a clear picture in front of them. There have been times in training camp the last few years where...with Damian [Pierce], it was always all right, he needs to be crisper in making his reads, but the picture in front of him was so disheveled and messy that he couldn't.”

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Running Back Room: Depth Concerns

[15:32 – 18:49]

• With Jawar Jordan banged up, Noah Whittington (rookie) might get a chance to impress and claims to offer more reliability due to his experience and physical build.
• Quote (Sean Pendergast, 17:17): "At the outset of training camp, it looked like it was a lock...Montgomery, Woody Marks, Jawar Jordan. ... Maybe I'm picking on Jawar Jordan as an individual for something that's deficient collectively with that room."
• Emphasis on the need for another trustworthy back behind Montgomery.

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Special Teams Update

[18:49 – 19:39]

• Punters: Surprise at Kai Kroger stepping up after the cut of Jack Stonehouse; indicates ongoing uncertainty and open competition for the position.
• Quote (Seth Payne, 19:25): “Anytime a head coach says now...you're in constant tryout mode with every single other punter in the league.”

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Annual “Head Coach Death Pool”: NFL Firing Odds

[20:17 – 26:45]

• Review of last season’s picks and results; Brian Callahan’s early firing gave Sean the win.
• New odds are out—Aaron Glenn (Lions alum, Texans legend) is the favorite, despite being a first-year coach.
• Discussion around factors placing coaches on the hot seat: bad ownership, QB turmoil, poor media relations, and toxic environments.
  • Quote (Sean Pendergast, 22:28): “Aaron Glenn is the favorite right now and he checks a lot of boxes to be the first head coach fired.”
• Texans' D’Amico Ryans considered one of the safest; odds at 50:1. Sean jokes about hosting the show from the I-10 median if Ryans is fired first.
  • Quote (Sean Pendergast, 24:08): "I agree with you. I think D'Amico is like one of the three or four safest head coaches from getting fired first."
• Texans' early schedule pits them against several coaches with scorching seats—potential to play a role in some early-season firings.

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Notable Quotes & Fun Moments

• On Texan offensive line scrappiness:
  • Seth Payne (03:39): "I'd rather have that problem than a bunch of guys that seem content to let the quarterback get roughed up on the..."
• On Michael McDaniel's fantasy football unhelpfulness:
  • Sean: “I just want clarity. ... I like that he like all I want is clarity. I don't need him...to feed Omari and HAMPTON the ball 50 times ‘cause then I just want you know, he’s not on my team.”
• John Fox Super Bowl Joke:
  • “We call it the John Fox dynamic. ... John Fox as far as we know, was loyal to his wife." (26:42)
• Johnny Manziel Story:
  • Memorable reflection from Johnny Manziel on learning he was cut by the Browns while partying with Chandler Parsons:
  • Quote (Johnny Manziel, 32:25): "I remember waking up on Super Bowl weekend, and I was staying with Chandler Parsons in Dallas, and he came busting in my room...Turns the TV on, it's all over, Browns cut me...I remember not feeling an ounce of being upset. I'm like, let's go across the street to the bar and celebrate."
  • Insightful follow-up on his lack of growth and conflicted self-awareness:
    • Seth Payne (33:09): "He has this ability to be angry at the Browns...while simultaneously admitting that he did absolutely nothing to improve the Browns or himself while he was there."
• Skip Bayless Cold Take:
  • Sean (34:38): “The Houston Texans will forever regret it if they do not take Johnny Manziel with a number one overall pick. He will haunt them.”
  • Seth: "That is a freezing cold take."

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Key Timestamps

• 01:12 – Chippy Texan practices, toughness, and culture change
• 04:40 – Stock up segment: Camp standouts
• 09:04 – Stock down segment: Injuries and depth chart battles
• 13:14 – Offensive line & running game analysis
• 15:32 – Running back depth problems
• 18:49 – Special teams talk: Punters & holders
• 20:17 – NFL Coach “Death Pool” for 2026
• 22:28 – Favorite for first coach fired (Aaron Glenn discussion)
• 24:08 – D’Amico Ryans job security segment
• 26:42 – Super Bowl/NFL head coach loyalty joke
• 32:25 – Johnny Manziel's Browns cut story
• 34:38 – Skip Bayless “Manziel to Texans” old tweet

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers not just a thorough update on Texans camp but contextualizes Houston’s changes within the broader NFL landscape. The stock up/stock down segments are rich with insight, and the annual “coach firing pool” brings a sharp, light-hearted edge to NFL hot seat speculation. As always, Sean and Seth’s chemistry, wit, and deep football knowledge make the content both accessible and essential for Houston fans and NFL junkies alike.

Transcript

[Sean Pendergast]

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[Seth Payne]

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[Sean Pendergast]

610 presents Payne and Pendergate. All right, we'll do a little stock up, stock down with some of these Texans players in just a little bit at 7:40 today, the end of this nice long segment we've got right here. We're going to give away tickets to the Texans and Chargers tomorrow night at Reliant Stadium, the newly renamed Reliant State.

[Seth Payne]

I'm just, I'm not going to enjoy these next three months of people correcting us on just calling more Ryan Stadium. Yeah, we're going to get the old. Well, the incorrect. Well, actually, which is the most annoying thing in the history of human beings. Yep, the. Actually, guys, it's nrg. Didn't you know? No, it's actually Reliant now.

[Sean Pendergast]

Again, we got a few texts. We talked about Keelan Rutledge getting into a scrape with Will Anderson Jr. In the 6 o' clock hour. If you missed it yesterday, well, you all would have missed it because it wasn't an open practice. But if you missed the news, Texans practiced yesterday inside the stadium and at one point, Rutledge and Will Anderson got a little chippy with each other during practice. It seemed to be a level of chippiness that made Demiko Ryan's happy. It didn't escalate or anything like that.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, but this is.

[Sean Pendergast]

Rutledge has been involved in several little

[Seth Payne]

scrapes like this like shoving around a little bit afterwards. Yeah, I'm cool with it.

[Sean Pendergast]

But this is, I love this point here. You remember the Green Bay game, Seth, in 2024, in week seven, when C.J. stroud was scrambling to the left, got knocked into the Green Bay bench and was surrounded by Green Bay Packers.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And nobody came to his defense.

[Johnny Manziel]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Zero offensive lineman came to his defense. That we won't. There's a text. There won't be any of that BS that happened with CJ and Green Bay with Rutledge on the field.

[Seth Payne]

No, no, no, no say.

[Sean Pendergast]

Or a few of the other guys.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, I think that they've definitely got just. There's more of a scrappy element to these guys, especially on the interior offensive line, which has really been the source of so many of the issues the last few years in the run game and in the pass protection. I think that's exactly. If you look at as it stands right now, if it's Wyatt Teller, Keelan Rutledge and Ed Ingram, those guys are a different type of player than a lot of the guys that have been rotating through on that offensive line. They are, they, they enjoy the physical aspect of the game. That's what their calling card is. You know, Ed Ingram to almost to a fault because I think his, he's really physical in the run game and then sometimes he tries to get too physical and in pass protection he gets overly aggressive. But I'd rather have that problem than a bunch of guys that seem content to let the quarterback get roughed up on the.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. Okay, this is an interesting question. What's the over under on 15 yard penalties for Keelan Rutledge this season? I'm going to say a half one. Like I'm going to say yes or no. Does he even get a 15 yard penalty?

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, this is all stuff that so far.

[Sean Pendergast]

How often do you see guys get 15 yard penalties just for finishing blocks?

[Seth Payne]

Right, right, right. It's not, it's just playing to the echo the whistle. It's not anything that. It's not dirty or anything. It's just this stuff that guys are taking issue with in practice if they feel like, all right, a guy's, you know, the biggest thing is as a defensive lineman sometimes. Oh, lineman keeps going after the play is over by practice standards and what it feels like, all right, try hard. You're trying to, you're trying to look good for the coaches. All right. Like this is needless and extra and that's valid. That's not just like a veteran, you know, thinking the rookie is going too hard. It's like, listen, dude, you're kind of messing. You're messing with. You're messing with the way I look on this play for no good reason whatsoever. So cut it out. Yep. And I think that's a lot of. Just generally with rookie offensive linemen especially, that's when guys get agitated.

[Sean Pendergast]

All right, so I've got a few stock up, stock downs. Like, we're 11 practices in. We're about to see our first preseason game. Who are some of the guys that have really flashed to a greater degree than we had hoped or we thought they could, and who are some guys that we're still kind of waiting on or maybe injuries have been an issue for them that could jeopardize their spot on the roster. I'll start with the good Jaden Higgins has been. To say he's been a revelation in this camp is probably overstating a little bit. He was a starter for them last year who had a decent rookie year. But the connection that he's had with C.J. stroud throughout pretty much the entirety of training camp, save for a play here and a play there, has been really encouraging to see.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, it's. It's everything that you would want in terms of, okay. A quarterback forming a relationship with a receiver. Some of these back shoulder throws especially, I think are the best evidence of that, that Higgins knows how C.J. is going to read this play. And they're on the same, they're seeing it through the same eyes, the expression those guys use. And that's way more, way more advanced now than it was last year.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, I'm stoked about Jaden Higgins. I would say another one stock up would be. Would be Jadevian Clowney. Jadevian Clowney. Just the mere fact that he's on the team I don't think was expected. But we, you know, you and I had kind of, we had workshopped a few names at that backup defensive end, Clowney being one of them, but he's here now is unto itself a stock up. But then the fact that the first few practices that he's been out there, he's looked like the old Clowney. He's looked like he's got a lot of juice left in the tank.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, well, and that's how he looked last year when he played for the Cowboys. And the, the big question is always going to be, and we talked about this when we looked at the available free agents in the off season. All right, which of these guys is going to be cool with coming up and being a clearly defined backup to Will Anderson and Neil Hunter. And we just didn't know with Clowney where his headspace was or anything. And Clowney is totally cool. Like no defensive end that steps in here thinks, oh yeah, I'm going to take, I'm coming for Will Anderson's job.

[Sean Pendergast]

No, no.

[Seth Payne]

So I think from that perspective, it's a really good fit. And Clowney's physicality especially versus the run is something that those, some of those other guys who are out there, like Von Miller, names like that, they don't offer that same thing, that same dynamic. So he really, he fits the mold of this defense way more than I think people probably would think with their knee jerk reaction to it given all of the baggage that we have from Clowney and his in his rookie contract here.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep, yep. No question. As far as other stock up, I think you can look up and down the rookie class and find lots of reasons. I, I would say the rookie class collectively.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Is this looks like it's, this looks so far. Again, it's only 11 practices in. They haven't played a game yet. But I would be more surprised now if we're disappointed in this rookie class after the season is over than I would be if we're like, yeah, those guys, boy, they found four or five guys that were real contributors to this.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. And I think the, the four biggest names right now would probably be in order. I think Marlon Klein, Louis Bond, Wade Wood as. No, no, I would say Marlon Klein, Colin Klein and then who's Colin Klein? Colin Klein. Colin, right, Colin, right. Yeah, Colin, right. Louis Bond and then Wade Wood as.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yep, those are good. Yeah, those are all. And you know, like the day three guys there too. Louis Bond and Wade Wood as have been nice. And Keelan. Rutledge obviously is a rookie, but he's. We've talked about him individually quite a bit. Yeah, they're all. Colin Wright's a good one too.

[Seth Payne]

Man.

[Sean Pendergast]

That, that is an undrafted guy who I think has a really good chance to make the team as a third or fourth cornerback.

[Seth Payne]

It's funny because the, the fact that I didn't mention Keelan in there, that, that I did with, with somebody from Buffalo the other day and I caught myself, I didn't include Keelan in the rookies that I was talking about because I kind of started figuring, yep, he's the starter. And I don't, I don't, I don't put him in that same category, which is a really dumb thing to do before he's even played a preseason game. Yeah. Yeah. I feel pretty confident that he's going to be the real deal.

[Sean Pendergast]

I would say so.

[Seth Payne]

I think he is like, I do think he's the real deal. I think everything about his conscientiousness, the way he works, his, how he's adapted to playing center without hardly ever having played the position before. And I don't doubt that he's going to continue to get better. So I'm really, I'm. I'm feeling very bullish on him.

[Sean Pendergast]

All right. As far as stock down goes, or maybe guys who have been a disappointment or guys who maybe are in jeopardy if not making the team, who had a chance to make the team, I would say Brevin Jordan more because of injury, but it's been an ongoing thing with Brevin Jordan. You know, he's had two season ending injuries the last couple of years. He had flashed so nice that first year with C.J. i mean, Brevin's been around longer than that. Brevin's been here since the David Cully year in 2021. But it looked like, especially in the postseason that year, nice connection with C.J. stroud. And then the last two seasons, couldn't get out of the starter's gate because he. He got. He got injured and now he's injured again and he's injured. And the problem for Brevin Jordan is he's in the deepest tight end room that they've had.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

You know, and probably going back to the Gary Kubiak era when they had Owen Daniels and Joel Dreeson and James Casey, like a really deep room. This is the deepest room they've had since then. And he's trying to make the team and he's fifth on the board.

[Seth Payne]

Right, right. And. And you made the really good point about Marlon Klein kind of providing a lot of what they were hoping to get out of Brevin Jordan, except being a more complete tight end. So Brevin Jordan's a different type of athlete than Marlon Klein. But man, d', Ameco, almost every time he talks about Marlon Klein, talks about him being excited about Klein's potential as a receiver and. But he also has so much more potential as a blocker than Brevin Jordan ever will. He's a big dude. I. If you guys haven't been out to the practice yet, I just. He's just. He's bigger than you expect. You know, he's big when you watch him on film and everything. But I think that whether it was D' Amico or Casario, when talking about client had said, you know, he's got some room to change his body composition a little bit, which we've seen out of a lot of second year guys this year that you get a full off season next year of eating and training and everything, that he could end up being a pretty impressive looking dude.

[Sean Pendergast]

The frame is impressive to begin with. He, you know, he didn't do much in the spring, like in OTAs and mandatory minicamp. Klein was nursing an injury, so you didn't see him out there a lot. And I remember being out there for the first practice of actual training camp and you couldn't read the names on the back. And I didn't have a roster. I hadn't kind of memorized the roster yet. And I remember turning to somebody going, who's 83?

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And they're like, oh, that's Marlon Klein. Like that, that's how he pops. Like, look at that guy right there.

[Seth Payne]

You're like, it's an odd number to have for like a rookie. Undrafted free agent offensive tackle, you say, you might look at him and they'd

[Sean Pendergast]

be like, wow, ran out of numbers.

[Seth Payne]

He's a really skinny offensive tackle, you know. So that's Marlon Klein.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, yeah.

[Seth Payne]

He probably won't make the team. That's not the physique of. Oh, that's a tight end.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, I would say that like the, the, the thing that would be most encouraging to me if I were Texan fan listening right now that I could say to a Texan fan is watching Marlon Klein. I watch him and I go, okay, I see why they took him where they took him well. And He's a classic 59th pick.

[Seth Payne]

I think he's the classic. Just he's open when he's not open because of his wingspan, that he's just got a huge catch radius. And they've, he's gotten separation though, too, against this defense.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

And he's going against the ones.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, he's gone. He's. He's run out there with, with, with those guys. Ed Ingram has been up and down this training.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, I think that's kind of in line with just Ed Ingram's playstyle and especially going against this defense. I'm, I'm going to have a real hard time for the next three weeks because I can feel myself as I'm saying this that I'm not, I'm genuinely not trying to make excuses for the offensive line, but there are some things that they're Flat out just not going to do against this defense. When, when you're in practice mode, it's, it's really hard to block the way that they want to block and on some of the types of plays that they're running when you, when you also can't go to the ground. So I think there's a certain part of Ed Ingram's game that is a super aggressive and physical thing that he can't really do against his defense. There's also parts of this defense. It's just schematically, it makes it really hard to run the outside zone and some of these other things. So the, I think the, the fairest thing to say about the offense right now is that we really haven't seen much evidence of an improved, like a genuinely improved rushing attack. If you're looking at the outcomes, I'm looking at the way that they're blocking and guys getting a hat on a hat and that they're just, they're playing with better technique. They're fundamentally more sound. It will be a better rushing attack this year. But I don't, I understand why people are concerned that we're not seeing a lot of reports of 10 yard runs by David Montgomery and 10 yard runs by, By. By Woody Mark.

[Sean Pendergast]

Right, right. I mean, there's been a few of those, but like over the course of a dozen practices. But the way I put it to people, Seth, with the running game, is that this year they actually do have a few plays that it looks like good running teams have.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

You know, I think that's kind of playing into what you're saying. Like, it just looks better the way

[Seth Payne]

that the running backs are making their reads, cuts and everything. They have a. This is what I would say. Maybe this is the best way to put it. They have a clear picture in front of them.

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[Seth Payne]

There have been times in training camp the last few years where I'm trying to figure out whether Damian Pierce is doing well or not, but I can't. There. You can't judge him because there's no picture in front of him. Because with Damian, it was always all right, he needs to, he needs to be crisper in making his reads in the backfield. But the picture in front of him was so disheveled and messy that he couldn't. So I don't know if he's capable of it and not doing it because the reads or just. Or if he's just incapable of it. This year it hasn't been like that. And yeah, a lot of the runs are getting Snuffed out, but it just flat out looks better looking from the end zone. Copy the other part of it with the offensive line right now too. And this is where I'm trying to think. I'm trying to look at the process more so than the results. And I can't tell you, Sean, how, how dirty I feel and that I'm going to make excuses for the offensive line. As a former defensive lineman, it's that there are a lot of sacks that happen in practice. That. Yeah, guy got beat. Okay. Get it. But in the, in the fog of war of like an actual football game, there's a lot more mayhem and it's just not always so simple and easy as the one like winning your one on one battles as a defensive lineman versus the offensive lineman. The whole process and the whole operation is just night and day better than it was last year. And we'll see. And unfortunately we have to wait most likely to really see that number one, that first team offense out there. But I feel better about it right now.

[Sean Pendergast]

Unless you're, unless you're at the joint practice, you know, with the Raiders next week.

[Seth Payne]

Well. And even. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.

[Sean Pendergast]

That, that's. That's might be the only competitive situation we see them in.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

So Jawar Jordan, I've got him in the stock down and it is because he's banged up again right now.

[Seth Payne]

Okay. Yeah, because I would have put him in stock up.

[Sean Pendergast]

You would have looked better than you thought.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, no, no, I think he's, I think he's your third running back if he was healthy.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this, this is where I've got a bit of an issue with that. And this is no disrespect to George Jordan. He's got 43 carries in his career.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

I felt this way about this running back room from the beginning of the off season. I've been waiting for them to bring in another body in this running back room because if something happens to David Montgomery, you've got the exact same room you had last year, and that was not good enough.

[Seth Payne]

Well, and the hard thing with George Jordan being your third running back, as opposed to maybe an accessory running back, is that, yeah, if, if David Montgomery goes down, you've.

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[Seth Payne]

Got two undersized running backs, and one of them is drastically undersized in George. That's where I think Noah Whittington. I've liked what I've seen out of Noah Whittington, and he's a guy that's played a ton of football that might be further ahead of the curve than your average rookie and might end up in. He's a stockier build.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, he.

[Seth Payne]

He might end up being the guy they're more comfortable with if he shows out in some of these.

[Sean Pendergast]

And to that point, he's getting an opportunity now because George Jordan's not out there.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

You know, and so that hurts his chances of. To your, you know, to your point, at the outset of training camp, it looked like it was a lock. You know, it was Montgomery, it was Woody Marks, it was Gerard Jordan. Those were the guys that d' Amico Ryan's would mention unprompted. I guess maybe I'm. I'm kind of picking on Jawar Jordan as an individual for something that I think is deficient collectively with that room. It's just not. It's. To me, it's not a deep enough room.

[Seth Payne]

And to be clear, Noah Whittington is not a big back or anything. It's just small yeah. Whittington's 5, 8, 2, 10, I think.

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[Sean Pendergast]

He's a bowling ball.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Johnny Manziel]

Yep.

[Sean Pendergast]

So I had George Jordan in there as well. The other stock down punters, Jack Stonehouse, cut. Although I guess Kai Kroger had a pretty good day yesterday. From everything that I was reading from people who were at the practice.

[Seth Payne]

It's exactly what I want to feel about. That's what I want to have in my punter situation is that people register surprise when he has a good practice.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. Yeah. So stock down.

[Seth Payne]

All you got to do is that

[Sean Pendergast]

more and more stock up as a holder, apparently.

[Seth Payne]

Well, I. Dude. I mean, d' Ameco flat out the other day when asked about Kyle Kroger, he did the classic head coach speak. He's our punter now.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

He said now.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Anytime a head coach says now, that's you're not the punter. You are.

[Johnny Manziel]

You are.

[Seth Payne]

You are on concert. You're in constant tryout mode with every single other punter in the league and every guy that gets cut or might be available for trade in the next few weeks.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. Do you have any others you'd add here to the stock down or. I mean, it's been a good camp. I. There's not a lot of. I don't come away from these practices pissed off about a lot of stuff.

[Seth Payne]

I would say Jake Andrews. I think Jake Andrews went from fighting for a starting center spot to maybe fighting to be on the team.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. He's one. I could see them waving and then bringing back on the practice squad.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

But you're right, I think is in the fact that he's a one position guy. It seems like. Yeah, that hurts. Him versus Evan Brown or Jared Patterson. They just restructured Jared Patterson's contract.

[Seth Payne]

I think he could play guard. I don't. I just. Just don't. I think that they've, you know, had that need at center, but. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. So that's a good one. Jake Andrews. Okay, shifting gears here. Odds on the first head coach to be fired are out. So we got to prep because you and I do the head coach death pool every year.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, that's right.

[Sean Pendergast]

Where we each pick 4 if I

[Seth Payne]

won it a few years.

[Sean Pendergast]

You've won. I won it last year. But you had won it the previous few years.

[Seth Payne]

I won with Salah and I felt awful about that. I really like Salah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

But now I feel worse about it because I think the Titans are going to be a better football team with Salah as their head coach.

[Sean Pendergast]

I do too I would. I would not pick Salah. I would not pick solid this time around.

[Seth Payne]

No, no, no.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. Here were the picks you and I had last year. We were pretty dialed in. I ended up winning because I had Brian Callahan of the Tennessee Titans. He got fired six weeks into the season. But you and I each pick four guys and the winner is the one who picks the head coach who gets fired first. Now, there have been some seasons where neither of us have won. I don't think either of us picked Urban Meyer the year that he got fired during the season.

[Seth Payne]

No, no, because.

[Sean Pendergast]

No, he was like 50 to 1.

[Seth Payne]

You hardly ever pick a first year coach. It's so rare to. So not only to get fired in the middle of his first year, but it was ridiculously early in his season.

[Sean Pendergast]

Again, it's not betting that they'll be fired, it's betting they'll be the first one to be fired. So schedules play into it and things like that. But here are the guys that you and I picked last year. My four picks. Mike McDaniel ended up getting fired. Brian Callahan won the pool for me. Jonathan Gannon ended up getting fired. Shane Steichen, who is on the. Let's see the. Shane Steichen didn't get fired, but he's on the fourth hottest seat this year according to these odds. Your four picks last year were. Stefanski, fired. Canales actually made the playoffs. Day ball, fired.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Raheem Morris, fired.

[Seth Payne]

Okay. So I was doing all right.

[Sean Pendergast]

You're doing good.

[Seth Payne]

That's weird that I picked Canales. I was surprised. Yeah.

[Kendra Adachi]

Yeah.

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[Sean Pendergast]

David Tepper is the owner.

[Seth Payne]

That's right. That's right. That's right. It was a. That was a vote for Tepper.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, that was a good.

[Seth Payne]

And Bryce Young was just wherever he was.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. I thought it was a good pick when you made it.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Now the favorite. I know you don't like this because he's a former teammate of yours and I know a lot of people in town don't like this because he's a te. He's. He's literally a Texans legend.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

He's not the ones I sarcastically say Texans legend about. Aaron Glenn is the favorite right now and he checks a lot of boxes to be the first head coach fired.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

I think that the bad quarterback situation, bad owner, bad team, bad media.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Bad everything. It's just a bad situation all around. It's. Why just, it's, you know, taking two to one, taking that job is a dicey proposition. I just wonder if they if they're also in a season where it would have to be because the culture had gotten so bad that it was untenable or something. But I wouldn't. I don't think that. I don't. I don't think it's going to be him.

[Sean Pendergast]

You don't think it'll be Aaron Glenn? We'll do our drive. We won't. We won't make our picks today.

[Seth Payne]

I think Aaron Glenn is most likely to be in a situation where his defense comes around because when he was in Detroit it took a couple of years for him to turn that defense around, but he did. And then last year they had that ridiculous situation with the number of interceptions that they had fewest interceptions in NFL history.

[Sean Pendergast]

They had zero for the whole season. Did they not end with any interceptions?

[Seth Payne]

They might have ended up with zero interceptions.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, they had zero. They had zero far enough into the season where it was a story that they had zero.

[Seth Payne]

I think Aaron Glenn is actually most likely to be the coach whose fan base is angry at him because they're not tanking hard enough because they're actually like they're winning games. But not enough to make the playoffs, but not enough to. But enough to drive them down out of this quarterback.

[Sean Pendergast]

Gino Smith, your quarterback is. It worked for the Raiders last year. They got the number one overall pick. So Aaron Glenn is the favorite. D' Ameco. In case D' Ameco is like halfway down the list at 50 to 1. I don't know.

[Seth Payne]

That's way too high on the list.

[Sean Pendergast]

I agree with you. I think d' Amico is like one of the three or four safest head coaches from getting fired first.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

For like I would. I will do the show. I will do Payne and Pendergast on 957 the Fans. Starting tomorrow at 8am I will do a show sitting on the median on the highway on I10. If D' Amico Ryan's is the first

[Seth Payne]

head coach, that is just a vestigial perception that the Texans fire coaches quickly because somehow I can't believe they fired David Colley. Yeah, that poor David Colley. That just what are the poor man.

[Sean Pendergast]

Who are you talking like right now?

[Seth Payne]

Every single person that wanted to stand up for David Cauley but then never recommended him for another job. How could you fire this. This man who nobody had ever talked about being before?

[Sean Pendergast]

That's Rich Eisenhower. That's your Rich Eisen voice.

[Seth Payne]

What are they doing? David Collie.

[Sean Pendergast]

So D' Amico is 50 to 1 and there's like 15 other names after him. I'm not, I'm not seeing that. Okay. Fun fact. Three of the Texans first four opponents, Seth of this season, Cincinnati Zach Taylor, Shane Steichen, Colts Brian Schottenheimer, who the media likes to call shoddy.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Dallas are in the top five on this thing. So the Texans in their first four games play by this odds board. Play three of the five hottest seats for head coaches in the NFL.

[Seth Payne]

This is an interesting one.

[Sean Pendergast]

Get somebody fired.

[Seth Payne]

It's harder than it used to be because the, the league has decided like, hey, we need to stop firing coaches so quickly and so liberally. Can you guys at least wait a little while until the end of the season? And it just, it's so, it's. You got to really, really hate your guy to, to go against the grain

[Sean Pendergast]

and like Callahan getting fired five games into last year.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, yeah, that's like that. Well, you know. Or you got to have severe culture issues. That's where I would be really surprised. Okay. Brable is the interesting one because as Mike Tomlin said this weekend, if the Patriots are winning games early in the season, that whole Rossini stuff is going to be a non story. If they go out and lose a bunch of games, it is going to be all kinds of speculation about the, everything going on. And sometimes that can, that can be, that can be a self fulfilling prophecy. You start speculating about the, the, the culture and then it does some damage to the culture.

[Sean Pendergast]

Vrabel is 16 to 1 on this odds board. He is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. He's eighth on the list. This has to be the highest on the board that a coach that went to the super bowl the year before is on for a first head coach to be.

[Seth Payne]

We call it the John Fox dynamic.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

John Fox as far as we know, was loyal to his wife.

[Sean Pendergast]

So we don't wasn't stupping a reporter.

[Seth Payne]

John Fox didn't have that same look in his eyes that Vrabel does.

[Sean Pendergast]

No.

[Seth Payne]

Bravel, there's some NFL coaches that if you found out they were involved in this stuff with Rossini, you'd be like, yeah, makes sense. And brables are one of them.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

You're like, yeah, I could see, I see it in his eyes. Yep. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

If you're looking for, if you, if you choose to wager unemployment and you're looking for a nice little kind of long shot here, like something 100 to 1 or more. And I know you said that first year coaches don't often get fired in

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[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, Cleveland's just a dumpster fire. The Browns, right. I get into I don't Todd Monkin doesn't feel like the permanent solution there

[Seth Payne]

Monkins already I can see where both

[Sean Pendergast]

quarterbacks if they've like if Shador and DeShawn and Dylan Gabriel all look terrible and they're just angling to get the first overall pick. I could see them just punting on their head coach.

[Seth Payne]

I feel like with Monkin I think that they they hired him I think genuinely feeling like okay, you can probably get the best. We can see Egan develop Shador. We'll see if there's any hope for DeSean Watson. Monkin is a good guy to think that he could get that he could get it out of him. But if it doesn't work out maybe he is also a good head coach and we'll stick it through with him. It's just that man I to to try to to be the guy that somehow turns around all of those cultural things and everything in Cleveland while also dealing with extreme quarterback controversy. A highly a highly divided fan base when it comes to Shador Sanders.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh yeah.

[Seth Payne]

I don't know if Monkin or anybody else can navigate that whole situation while also losing a bunch of football games and keep their head at the end of the year.

[Sean Pendergast]

I was thinking on the way in today, I think with Kyler Murray getting named the starter in Minnesota, I think that's I think Cleveland and Atlanta are the only two. Have they named his Stefanski named a starter in Atlanta between Tua and Penix yet? I don't think he has to my knowledge. I don't think he has. I think those are the only two quarterback competitions still left. Yeah, most teams have their QB kind of nailed down. So for better or worse, I mean like for example, like, you know, the Dolphins have Malik Willis. I don't know that he's good. You know the jets have Geno Smith. He's definitely going to be their starter.

[Seth Payne]

I saw a highlight on X Malik Willis making a really nice throw. So there you go.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay.

[Seth Payne]

I didn't know Malik Willis is the one. Malik Willis in the way he played last year was nothing like I would have expected he could after we saw him in his rookie season where they didn't allow him to throw the football for an entire half a football against the Texas.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

So yeah, I think, well, Malik Willis is kind of the Todd Monkin of quarterbacks right now. I think the Dolphins thought, you know what, there's something in there potentially. We'll find out. If it's not then so what we gotta.

[Sean Pendergast]

It's only 20 million. Yeah, 50 million. Okay. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

But then they. What's his name? The coach there came out yesterday and said that A Chan is going to get just a. They're going to work the hell out of him.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, 40 touches in some games.

[Seth Payne]

He said, yeah, fantasy owners rejoice when they get any kind of clarity from a coach like that on a running back. Just give me some clarity or the

[Sean Pendergast]

clarity that Mike McDaniel gave, which is you're not going to get any clarity from me.

[Seth Payne]

He said, yeah, I watched his press conference from a couple days ago and he was asked a question about running back usage and McDaniel's like this feels like a fantasy question. He's like, sorry guys, it's going to depend on the game and it's going depend on the situation.

[Sean Pendergast]

No, but that's good to know. I just won't take anybody on the Chargers. You know, I like that he like all I want is clarity. I don't need him. I don't need him to feed Omari and HAMPTON the ball 50 times because then I just want you know, he's not on my team.

[Seth Payne]

If you guys are wondering about hey boy, don't the Chargers have the worst offensive line in football? This should be fun on Thursday night. They. They did a lot to it. Well for one they got guys back healthy.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

But then also just stocked up on offensive linemen and they. It looks to be a much improved offensive line.

[Sean Pendergast]

Maybe Justin Herbert will win a playo. You never know.

[Seth Payne]

Maybe you won't throw four interceptions in a playoff game, maybe. You know, I mean, yeah, CJ has thrown four interceptions in a playoff game, but he's also had a bunch of playoff victories.

[Sean Pendergast]

He's got three of them.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Justin Herbert is just sucked in the playoffs every single attempt.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. So Johnny Manziel was on a. You sent this to me yesterday. Was on a podcast and told the story of him finding out that he was cut from the Cleveland Browns.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

This was. Who knew that these two were such fast friends? The guy. He's about to talk about who he was at. He was at a former Houston Rockets apartment, hanging out in Dallas, going out doing those Chach things that they do. And this is Johnny Manziel learning and who he learned it with the day the Browns cut him.

[Johnny Manziel]

I remember waking up on super bowl weekend, and I was staying with Chandler Parsons in Dallas, and he came busting in my room, and he goes, turn TV on. I'm like, what turns the TV on? It's all over. Browns cut me this and that. And I remember not feeling an ounce of being upset. I'm like, let's go across the street to the bar and celebrate. Like, that's what it was like. So I look back at it now, like, damn, you're supposed to handle that stuff, and you're supposed to handle it better. But I wasn't equipped to do it, and I was in a situation that I hated, that I didn't really give much of a choice to. So, you know, I made that decision to be happy walking away from it. A decision that would later in life, you know, come back to haunt me and bite me a little bit.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay.

[Seth Payne]

A little bit. The other thing, the funny thing about him being so angry with the Browns, while also. It's weird, he has this ability to be angry at the Browns and Brian Hoyer and everything else while simultaneously admitting that he did absolutely nothing to improve the Browns or himself while he was there. It's. He's got a remarkable ability to hold the divergent, like, contrary opinions at the same time.

[Sean Pendergast]

I like. Of all the cuts that we've seen from Johnny Manziel over the last year or so, that one is actually one that. That I find to be an easier one to listen to than a lot of them. A lot of Johnny Manziel's podcast appearances, it feels. He feels like a frat boy who's bragging about all his exploits back in the day.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

About how hard he partied and things like that. How much he hates the Browns. I mean, obviously, this One, he alludes to the fact that he hated the Browns, but he at least sounds somewhat reflective in that one. That maybe he did some things wrong.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And he's to blame for some reason.

[Seth Payne]

Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. That specific clip, he doesn't show the hypocrisy necessarily as much. Right. It's funny though, too. Is ironic. Maybe that's why. You know what? Maybe that clip was out before I realized it. But I just. I was looking for Texans news to see if I'd missed anything. So I searched Houston Texans on X, and the number two result that popped up was this tweet from May 8, 2014 from Skip Bayless.

[Sean Pendergast]

What did you search for?

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Have you ever heard of this?

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm familiar with this work on X. Okay. What was the search?

[Seth Payne]

Houston Texans.

[Sean Pendergast]

Houston Texans. Okay.

[Seth Payne]

In the number two result is a tweet from 12 years ago. Skip Bayless saying the Houston Texans will forever regret it if they do not take Johnny Manziel with a number one overall pick. He will haunt them.

[Johnny Manziel]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

That didn't turn out to be true.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

That is a freezing cold take. That's what got curated to you.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. That was the number two result. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's weird.

[Seth Payne]

X used to be. That's the one thing. I think X has done some good things. I know that. Like, they've done some good things, they've done some bad things since Musk took over. But the worst is that they used to be a really good search engine for what's going on right now.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

It's gotten atrocious like this. Like, I want something that's current.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

And I'm getting a tweet from 2014.

[Sean Pendergast]

But you know what it is good for. For in searching. See, I disagree a little bit with you.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, you're wrong.

[Sean Pendergast]

No, no. But if there's a clip out there that. That people are talking about if you. If you put the right name in the search.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And it's a video that's kind of gone viral a little bit.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

That. Then for the purposes of this show, a lot of times it involves audio that we end up using on the show. It does do a pretty good job of taking the relevant video clips that are out there.

[Seth Payne]

It's trending or something.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Seth Payne]

So I, I. Texans weren't trending right that moment. So it's a good search engine when you have one out of millions of things that you want to search. Yeah, yeah.

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[Seth Payne]

Very, very specific.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm just telling you what I use.

[Seth Payne]

Sounds like Christian Javier, to me.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm just telling you what I use it for. I don't find it to be terrible. Like just for that specific thing. Like finding the videos. Yeah. Like you getting a tweet. The number two thing you can send is a Skip Bayless tweet popping with

[Seth Payne]

the Texans right now. Skip Bayless in 2014.

[Sean Pendergast]

There's no defending that.

[Seth Payne]

It was honestly too.

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[Sean Pendergast]

Because Bayless, what was number one?

[Seth Payne]

Bayless is not nearly as relevant as he used to be.

[Sean Pendergast]

No, that's true. Yeah, that's true.

[Seth Payne]

I can't remember what number number one was. Like a something. Something relevant.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay. Yeah, that's hilarious.

[Seth Payne]

All right.

[Sean Pendergast]

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