TRAINING CAMP – biggest stories, four days in+ Acknowledge Me

Summary

Payne & Pendergast – August 3, 2026

Episode: "TRAINING CAMP – biggest stories, four days in+ Acknowledge Me"
Podcast: Payne & Pendergast (Audacy)
Hosts: Seth Payne (former NFL player), Sean Pendergast (Houston sports radio personality)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the Houston Texans' training camp, recapping the biggest storylines from the first four practices. Sean and Seth bring their signature mix of sharp insight and banter, digging into contract negotiations, player performances, the offensive line overhaul, and more. The much-anticipated segment "Acknowledge Me" also returns, spotlighting big news and standout performances across H-Town sports. Special guests and media voices also feature prominently, adding national and local context.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Administrative Updates and Texans News

• Clowney's Number: Jadeveon Clowney returns to Houston and will wear his old number 90.

  “Probably not good for revenue generation because a new number would have meant new jerseys for people. But he’s getting his old 90.” (Co-Host 1, 01:36)

• Upcoming Guests: GM Nick Caserio is set to appear live from training camp. Kamari Lassiter interview content available. (02:24)

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2. Biggest Training Camp Storylines (First Four Days)

a. C.J. Stroud’s Contract Situation

• Current Status: Negotiations ongoing, talks positive but a deal is not imminent.

  “It does not seem like they are close yet...But the fact that talks are going on is, I would say, at least extremely noteworthy for Houston’s belief in C.J. Stroud.”
  —Ian Rapoport, NFL Network (05:00)

• Team View: Texans see Stroud as their entrenched franchise QB.
• Market Context: Stroud’s peers (Goff, Love, Lawrence) set the market at $50M+ per year for young franchise starters.
• No Drama: Stroud handles negotiations with maturity, unlike Baker Mayfield’s approach.

  “CJ’s doing a really good job of not being all emo about it 100%.” (Co-Host 2, 07:51)

b. Texans’ Offense & Coaching Critique

• Steve Smith Criticizes Offensive Support:

  “They didn’t do a really good job...of setting CJ Stroud up...The Achilles heel at times.” (Steve Smith, 08:22)

• Counter-Analysis: Problems sometimes stemmed from quarterback operation or receivers failing to adjust, not just coordinator Nick Haley.

  “A lot of the really cool, funky, fun stuff that you want to do needs to be with the quarterback handling it competently. And there were times last year...CJ directs the operation and needs to make those checks.” (Lead Analyst, 09:13)

• Offensive Line Overhaul:

  • Improvement evident this year; major moves (Ariante Ursary, Cam Robinson, Ed Ingram, Trent Brown) mostly positive but still some rotational uncertainty.
  • 2023 left guard was described as an “Achilles heel,” with in-game rotations and midseason cuts.

  “The first half of the season [was] having competition at left guard between two guys, neither of whom would win the competition.” (Co-Host 2, 11:52)

c. Keelan Rutledge (1st-Round Pick, OL) Spotlight

• Versatile (guard/center), highly motivated, praised by coaches for toughness and intensity.
• D’Amico Ryans:

  “Keelan is a swarm player. Man, I love it. Like I love to see OL pushing guys downfield, still fighting to make sure he finishes...He’s a nuisance for the defense and that’s what he’s going to be for us.” (12:32)

• Starting spots on OL seen as open competition, regardless of veteran contracts.

d. Texans Defense: Camp Dominance

• Nico Collins on facing Texans D:

  “You want to go against the best every single day, you know, and there’s no better feeling than this...” (16:27)

• Noted camp battles: Nico Collins vs. Texans CBs, especially Derek Stingley.
• Early padded practices will be key for evaluating the interior OL vs. DL, especially rookies like Kaden McDonald.

e. Tank Dell’s Recovery & Popularity

• Dell is a major crowd favorite despite nearly two years out. Fans give emotional support.
• He’s off PUP, indicating optimism for a Week 1 return but no hard timetable.

  “It feels like it’s a weighted coin that it’s a better than 50% chance that he’s ready Week One.” (Lead Analyst, 25:33)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• CJ Stroud’s Maturity vs. Baker Mayfield’s Drama:

  “Don’t be so emo, man...CJ’s doing a really good job of not being all emo about it 100%.” (Co-Host 2, 07:45-07:51)

• On Offensive Line Uncertainty:

  “So we spent the first half of the season having competition at left guard between two guys, neither of whom would win the competition.” (11:52)

• D’Amico Ryans on Rutledge:

  “He’s a nuisance for the defense and that’s what he’s going to be for us. And I love every bit of it.” (12:32)

• Defense’s Identity:

  “The defense, they're bleeping amazing again. They're awesome.” (16:06)

• Nico Collins on Daily Competition:

  “Sharpening the blade, man. So on Sundays we humming, you know, so day four, supposed to be hard, supposed to be hot. That's going to count, man. That's what make it fun.” (16:27)

• Popularity of Tank Dell:

  “He’s almost like a young J.J. Watt when you come out for training. He got a pop the other day out here, man.” (Lead Analyst, 22:58-23:00)
  “There’s a kind of, you know, it’s a combination of appreciation for seeing him out there, but also keep his spirits.” (Lead Analyst, 23:15)

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Notable Segment Timestamps

• Jadeveon Clowney jersey/no. and camp notes: 01:36-02:24
• CJ Stroud contract situation—deep dive: 03:55-07:54
• Steve Smith critique & offensive coaching: 08:08-10:00
• Offensive line analysis: 10:21-12:01
• Keelan Rutledge discussion: 12:01-15:57
• Defense and Nico Collins: 16:06-18:33
• Tank Dell’s status and emotional pop: 22:56-25:38
• Acknowledge Me segment: 26:00-39:31

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“Acknowledge Me” Segment Highlights

• Texans’ Madden Ratings:
  • Will Anderson Jr, Danielle Hunter, Derek Stingley, and Nico Collins all have Madden scores over 90.
  • C.J. Stroud only scores a 76, ranked 24th at QB, behind veterans like Aaron Rodgers and even Bryce Young.

    “He probably plays video games. There’s kids that want to play with C.J. Stroud, they probably come up to him as like, I love you so much, but I just can't, I can't win it, Madden...That’s probably the one that affects him the most.” (Co-Host 1 & 2, 28:27-28:37)

• Will Levis’s Self-Delusion:

  “There are not 32 quarterbacks in this league better than me. I know that for sure.” (Will Levis, 30:27)

  • Panel skeptical; drag on Levis’s actual level.
• Yordan Alvarez’s Domination of the Rangers:

  “Most home runs against The Rangers in 2026. The Mariners with nine, the Yankees with nine. The Braves with nine, Yordan Alvarez with eight.” (Co-Host 1, 33:41)

• J.J. Watt Joins CBS ‘A’ Team:
  • With Tony Romo suspended, Watt will be paired with Jim Nantz.

    “Jim Nantz and Tony Romo together as a package have really not been a great broadcast crew. But I think Jim Nantz has been dragged down by Tony Romo just deciding to not pay attention to the game he’s watching.” (Lead Analyst, 35:10)

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Additional Noteworthy Discussion

• The Texans’ OL overhaul is “a two-year process,” but the hosts wish the team had been more aggressive a year earlier.
• Repeated emphasis on in-camp competition and not favoring salary over performance for starting roles. “Contract blind” approach praised.
• Humorous and relatable takes on video game ratings and how they affect real-world player reputations.

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Conclusion

This episode comprehensively covers the Houston Texans’ most important training camp developments, anchored by the candid chemistry of Payne and Pendergast. Listeners get context for every major storyline—from contracts to position battles—plus the trademark “Acknowledge Me” pop culture crossovers. Fans get insider takes and plenty of H-Town flavor, making it essential listening for Texans diehards and casual followers alike.

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Quick Reference — Major Storylines by Timestamp

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | |---------------------|---------------------------------------------------|-----------| | Clowney jersey/news | Clowney returns, number details, programming note | 01:36–02:24 | | Stroud Contract | Deep analysis, market, maturity vs. Mayfield | 03:55–07:54 | | Offense Insight | Steve Smith critique, coaching/operation issues | 08:08–10:00 | | O-Line Overhaul | Analysis of OL rebuild, position battles | 10:21–12:01 | | Rutledge Spotlight | Rookie mindset, competition, role discussion | 12:01–15:57 | | Defense Praise | Nico & defense, DBs vs. WRs, camp battles | 16:06–18:33 | | Tank Dell Watch | Recovery, fan support, health bets | 22:56–25:38 | | Acknowledge Me | Game ratings, Levis, Yordan, Watt to CBS, etc. | 26:00–39:31 |

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Listen for: Candid camp observations, humor, and up-to-the-minute Houston sports takes.
Most memorable quote:

“Keelan is a swarm player…He’s a nuisance for the defense and that’s what he’s going to be for us.” – D’Amico Ryans (12:32)

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[Lead Analyst]

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[Co-Host 1]

All right, a few things, few administrative things before we get into the big storylines that have evolved over the first four practices here at Texans training camp. Number one, we've had a few people ask this, what number is Clowney going to wear? He's going to wear his old number 90. So if you have an old number 90 clowney jersey. Yeah, probably not good for revenue generation because a new number would have meant new jerseys for people. But he's getting his old 90.

[Co-Host 2]

He's already hurting the team, hurting the bottom line.

[Co-Host 1]

Well, he took a hometown discount.

[Co-Host 2]

Okay.

[Lead Analyst]

Balances out, man.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

No, and the other thing, too is when you look at his draft photo, I've got a nice picture of Rick

[Lead Analyst]

Smith and Bill o' Brien as Clowney

[Co-Host 2]

holds up the jersey. It's in front of a backdrop that says Reliance Stadium. Yeah, I wonder if they changed the

[Lead Analyst]

name back to the stadium when they figured out we'll probably sign Clowney.

[Co-Host 2]

All those old photos popping up. Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah. So he'll wear number 90. A few programming notes about this time tomorrow. Fifteen minutes from now, Nick Casario will join Seth and I out here at Texans training camp. So we'll get the skinny on how the whole Clowny thing went down and talk more about everything going on with the Texans.

[Lead Analyst]

You guys can spend your two minutes talking about WrestleMania4003 or something.

[Co-Host 1]

SummerSlam over the weekend. Yeah, it was a big, big affair over the week. SummerSlam, You look agitated right now. And then Cal and Hannah are going to be joining Mark and John out here this morning at 8:30. And off the field today in the Loop has Kamari Laziter. So that's a good. Oh, yeah, he's fun.

[Co-Host 2]

You know, it was out here on

[Lead Analyst]

Saturday, it was Robert Mays from the Athletic. I talked to him a little bit. Oh, you did? And he interviewed Kamari Lassiter, too. So if you're. If you're. What you're jonesing for is some Kamari Lassiter content. It's. There's gonna be a boatload of.

[Co-Host 1]

Yep, you've come to the right place.

[Co-Host 2]

Yeah, the guys are doing the.

[Lead Analyst]

Putting the lines out on the field right now on the grounds crew.

[Co-Host 2]

And I talked to. We talked to them a couple years ago. Aaron, how many miles did the guy. He said 12 miles. He walks to do all three of these fields. Sounds about right.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah, that sounds about right. It's a lot of walking.

[Co-Host 2]

You know what? There's no.

[Co-Host 1]

They better hustle. It's seven o'.

[Reporter]

Clock.

[Co-Host 2]

You know what? You know what guys love when they tell you something like that?

[Lead Analyst]

Is when you give a comment like, huh, you should be paying them.

[Co-Host 2]

Get yourself a good workout. Cheaper than a health club.

[Narrator/Host]

I love that.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah, they love that. She's lost 20 pounds in sweat.

[Co-Host 1]

All right, so. So we are four practices into Texans training camp. Fifth practice today. The biggest story so far, four days in, I would say the biggest one, the one that's gotten the most attention outside of Houston, probably other than the Clowney signing yesterday, would be C.J. stroud's contract situation. We know that Nick Casario commented on it. Well, certainly, I'm sure that'll come up tomorrow when he joins us. C.J. commented on it. They both seem to have generally positive impressions of where things were.

[Co-Host 2]

I just. Yeah. And I think the most positive situation

[Lead Analyst]

you could hope for is that, okay, unlike Baker Mayfield, that if they don't come to an agreement, that it's. I don't want to say no big deal, but that it's not anything that C.J. stroud or David Mulligetta gets agitated about. Right. So when they say that conversations have been positive and productive.

[Co-Host 2]

That could also include like, well, you know what? Maybe we're, we're probably too far away.

[Lead Analyst]

Let's see how the season goes. We'll revisit.

[Co-Host 1]

Yes, good point. So this is Ian Rapaport of the NFL Network as of as of Friday, where things stand with C.J.

[Ian Rapoport]

stroud.

[Ian Rapoport (continued)]

We could, in fact, get a C.J. stroud deal sooner rather than later, provided all sides agree and they are not there yet. It does not seem like they are close yet. A couple important factors are. First of all, we saw CJ Stroud struggle at the end of the year for the Houston Texans. It is clear inside this organization they view him as the franchise starter, no question, the player who led them to the playoffs multiple years in a row, who is entrenched at that position. And those guys, those franchise starters who were young, were looking at new contracts they essentially make in the 50s based on new money average. I'm talking about the Jared Goffs of the world and Jordan Love and Trevor Lawrence. Certainly seems like that would be the category of CJ Stroud. Will he end up being able to get a deal with Texans? We simply don't know. It seems like both sides are comfortable making an attempt at it, that if it doesn't happen by the season, that is okay. They will try again next year. But the fact that talks are going on is, I would say, at least extremely noteworthy for Houston's belief in C.J. stroud.

[Co-Host 2]

The only issue I have sometimes with

[Lead Analyst]

the way people frame this is when they say, you know, Stroud led them to the playoffs. Like, all right, no, the last couple of years, it's been. It's been the defense. Stroud's been a part of a playoff effort, but it's been the defense that's led them to the playoffs.

[Co-Host 2]

And that's not.

[Lead Analyst]

I'm not even trying to criticize C.J. there or not, but it's important to point out that it's not like if there's a team, Peyton Manning, back in the day, early in his career, he was awful. He was atrocious in the playoffs, but he led them to the playoffs. His regular seasons were incredible. He led them to the playoffs. It hasn't been that case.

[Co-Host 2]

So it's not.

[Lead Analyst]

If a guy's genuinely. He's the reason you're getting to the playoffs, then it's a lot. It's a much easier decision to make.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah, it's. It's way more complicated than that. Yeah, for sure. Which is why there's no contract Right

[Co-Host 2]

now, if it wasn't complicated, there'd be

[Lead Analyst]

a contract from the player side of things.

[Co-Host 2]

Like, look, you know, Kirk Cousins and

[Lead Analyst]

Russell Wilson did a really good job in their careers or have done in their careers a good job of just financially. If you can not be too worried about injury, it always makes more financial sense to push it as far close to free agency as possible. Dak Prescott did that. And that's the difference in football compared to baseball, is that you really got to worry more about injuries. But still, still, I don't if CJ's got that mindset and maybe Mulligetta, too, is like, look, man, look, we could, we could take this number now, but realistically, you just. You gotta go out and perform and you're gonna make more next year. And then, then nobody's throwing a temper tantrum like little baby Baker Mayfield.

[Co-Host 1]

Baker.

[Lead Analyst]

This is the thing about Baker Mayfield. You can't have it both ways, bro.

[Co-Host 2]

You can't be Joe, old school tough guy. But then also, like, I feel disrespected.

[Co-Host 1]

I just.

[Co-Host 2]

I felt like I've done so much for this team, and this is the respect I get. You never do the dishes.

[Storyteller]

Oh.

[Co-Host 2]

Oh, just shut up.

[Co-Host 1]

I didn't think we were going to get a drive by a Baker Mayfield.

[Co-Host 2]

Don't be so emo, man.

[Co-Host 1]

Don't be so.

[Co-Host 2]

Just, just, Just settle down.

[Co-Host 1]

I'm with you. I'm with you.

[Co-Host 2]

CJ's doing a really good job of not being all emo about it 100%.

[Co-Host 1]

That's why I love the Baker audio, because I think it highlights how well CJ's handling things right now. Storyline number two, four days into training camp, I think we should go into this one just because it's. I think it's. It's very much tied to CJ's contract situation.

[Steve Smith]

He's.

[Co-Host 1]

He's looked good so far in training camp. The offense is actually winning some reps this year. This was Steve Smith on his podcast that he does with James Palmer talking about how the Texans have not helped CJ Stroud enough.

[Steve Smith (continued)]

Now. They didn't do a really good job of holding themselves accountable, of not putting CJ Stroud in the bad situations, because they literally just said, they line up, put them in shotgun, and hey, you beat them. Didn't have checkdowns, didn't have adjustments, just didn't do a really good job. In my humble opinion, of setting CJ Stroud up to not be considered right. The Achilles heel at times.

[Co-Host 2]

The.

[Lead Analyst]

If. If you look at that, that It's a.

[Co-Host 2]

It's a very

[Lead Analyst]

complex situation when it comes to, okay, how much did the offense help out the quarterback? Or how much did the coaching help out the quarterbacks? And there are a few things that went on last year where, yes, Nick Haley needs to be better as an offensive coordinator in his second year as an offensive coordinator, to be sure.

[Co-Host 2]

But whenever, like, it's way too easy

[Lead Analyst]

for people on the outside to say, well, I can't believe the offensive coordinator isn't doing this for the quarterback, when sometimes the quarterback is the obstacle. A lot of the really cool, funky, fun stuff that you want to do needs to be with the quarterback, handling it competently. And there were times last year where I think, because the operation isn't always just on everybody except cj, CJ directs the operation and needs to make those checks. And there are also times where, look, there's guys that. There's receivers that should have adjusted to either blitzes or coverages and become the hot route who didn't do it. So CJ's looking for eyes to throw to when there's pressure and there's nobody looking at him. And so how many Times Was it CJ's fault? How many times was it Nick Cayley's fault? How many times was it Jaden Higgins or Jalen Noel's fault?

[Co-Host 2]

It's impossible to say, other than the

[Lead Analyst]

sum total was, yeah, it wasn't good enough.

[Storyteller]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

And then the big one, the big overarching one, is when you can't run the football, your quarterback is put in second and 10 and third and 10 way too often.

[Co-Host 1]

And he statistically was put in it more than almost anybody.

[Lead Analyst]

Right. So no matter who you are as a quarterback, it doesn't matter if you're Tom Brady or anybody else, you, third and ten, you're. More times than not, you're screwed. It's really, really hard to convert.

[Co-Host 1]

Yep. So. But it's got. But it's looked better at camp this year. It's year two in the system. It's year two for CJ with Nick Caylee. I think they've done a better job of going out and getting good offensive linemen this year than they did last year. I mean, they, you know, some of the stuff that was going on with the offensive line last year, you know, between giving Cam Robinson a bunch of money and then he's not even starting for you.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

I mean, it's a good thing. Ariante Ursary developed last year to a degree. I mean, he's still Got, you know, he's still got room to improve, obviously in his second year. But I mean, if that hadn't happened, boy, they would have really been sunk last year.

[Co-Host 2]

Well, the whole like last year it

[Lead Analyst]

felt like, okay, this is going to be a two year process on the offensive line. And I wasn't.

[Co-Host 2]

I would have preferred that they were

[Lead Analyst]

aggressive the way the Bears were. The Bears. The Bears were incredibly aggressive in the offseason two years ago and ended up being one of the better offensive lines in football. But they made kind of muted moves. But two of them. Look, three of the moves last year. If you think about the four major moves on the offensive line last year, Ariante Ursary, Cam Robinson, Ed Ingram and Trent Brown wasn't really a major move at the time because they paid him almost nothing. I mean like the veteran minimum almost. And three of those four worked out. And now they're aggressive again this year. More aggressive and like if a couple of those work out, then that's a,

[Co-Host 2]

It's a pretty good two year process. I would have been more. I'm still, I still would have preferred

[Lead Analyst]

they were greedy or more aggressive just last year.

[Co-Host 1]

Well, left guard was just such an Achilles heel for that, you know, they were. They're rotating guys in game. They're rotating guys and they're cutting Lake and Tomlinson starting in week one. If he's cut by the middle of the season.

[Co-Host 2]

They spent the first half of the season having competition at left guard between

[Lead Analyst]

two guys, neither of whom would win the competition.

[Co-Host 2]

Right, right, right, right.

[Co-Host 1]

And who became the left guard? Their right tackle.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

Became the left guard. All right, so that's, that's. The first two storylines to me are C.J. stroud related. Number three, Keelum Rutledge. Speaking of the interior of the offensive line, we'll see what position he plays, but he's gonna play. I feel like he is gonna play. Whether it's guard. He now in the practice on Saturday, it was. He was all guard on Saturday. I don't know they did anything at center, but he's played a little of both in training camp. Here's d' Amico Ryan's. He could tell. He really likes their first round pick.

[Narrator/Host]

Keelan is a swarm player. Man, I love it. Like I love to see old lineman and pushing guys downfield still fighting to make sure he finishes. I love his mindset. I mean, that's what it should be. He cares a lot. You guys see it standing to the side. We see it. I watch it all the time. Try to Highlight him, you know, in our team meetings because that's what we're looking for. When you have that type of mindset at O line, it's a, it's a problem for defenders because you're just a pest and you can't get rid of guys. And that's what he is. He's a nuisance for the defense and that's what he's going to be for us. And I love every bit of it.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah, the. I think his mindset and the way he operates and everything, whenever you, if you worry about whether a first round pick is going to take it seriously or not he takes it. You can tell he takes it very, very seriously.

[Co-Host 2]

He's the only guy that.

[Lead Analyst]

I think in his interviews it reflects kind of what it looks like his mindset is at practice.

[Storyteller]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

There's no nonsense about him.

[Steve Smith]

No.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

And so that part of it, as

[Lead Analyst]

far as the intangibles, I think they, they got exactly what they were hoping to get. When it comes to where is he going to play. Going back to what Casario said the first day of training camp, it's, it's a wide open competition at every spot other than Ariante Ursary. And I think that that's, that's what you want.

[Co-Host 2]

You've got guys, multiple guys who are

[Lead Analyst]

capable of being starters, competing to be a starter. I don't think Wyatt Teller's history as a, you know, I don't think the history of his career or the contract they gave him or anything like that means that he's 100% going to be the starting left guard. The big question is if Wyatt, like Keelan Rutledge in playing center, it's, it's a lot to learn as you're also just trying to learn how to be an NFL offensive lineman. And it might be something that he eventually gets, but it might not happen immediately.

[Co-Host 2]

It's, there's a whole lot of muscle

[Lead Analyst]

memory that goes into snapping the football in the gun or with the quarterback under center and then, not to mention, you know, the variations in footwork and everything. So I don't think it's a slam dunk.

[Co-Host 2]

Even if Keela, like you could tell

[Lead Analyst]

me that Keelin Rutledge is going to be an all pro center in his second year, to me, that doesn't mean that he's starting at Center Week 1 of this year, it might take a little bit longer for him to figure that out.

[Co-Host 1]

Could you see a scenario where your two starting guards are Wyatt Teller and Keelan Rutledge? And Ed Ingram is.

[Co-Host 2]

Yeah, I could see that. I could see that.

[Lead Analyst]

I think that the more than likely scenario would be a lot of money.

[Co-Host 2]

The more than. Right, right. But I think, like going.

[Lead Analyst]

They're trying to be contract blind to it.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

Cam Robinson was making a lot of money last year and then, you know,

[Co-Host 1]

I get it, I get it. I get it.

[Co-Host 2]

Yeah. I think. I think Trent Brown could start at right tackle over Braden Smith, despite Braden

[Lead Analyst]

Smith being the higher ticket item.

[Co-Host 1]

I 100% agree with you. It's just a really interesting scenario that you could see two guys making $13 million a year being backups.

[Co-Host 2]

I think the D' Ameco made a

[Lead Analyst]

comment the other day about how even for the VE players, it's an adjustment learning Cole Popovich's technique. So no matter what Wyatt Teller or Braden Smith or any of these other guys have done, they got to tweak their techniques a little bit to fit this scheme and what Cole Popovich and Nick Haley want to do. So from that standpoint, you know, that maybe, maybe if it takes Wyatt Teller a little bit longer to get longer to get comfortable in that and they like, they like the trajectory of Keelan Rutledge, then, yeah, maybe he ends up being the starter or plays better than Ed Ingram.

[Co-Host 2]

I'll be surprised.

[Lead Analyst]

Ed Ingrid would be one of the bigger surprises if he's a big surprise.

[Co-Host 1]

But he was. He was not great out here the other day. So. We'll see. I mean, the pads go on today. Like, I don't.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah, like, we'll see.

[Co-Host 2]

I don't like, like, it's not like

[Lead Analyst]

I like giving excuses to the Texans offensive line because they haven't really earned the right to have excuses made for him. But like, nope. You just can't tell a nope.

[Co-Host 1]

It's fourth practice. Yeah, no, no, no. I'm not burying the guy. It's just, it's. It's going to be an interesting competition for sure. Storyline number four. Not much to say here on this one, but the defense, they're bleeping amazing again. They're awesome. They're really good. Here was Nico Collins on Saturday at his availability on the difficulty of facing the Texans defense.

[Steve Smith]

Nah, you just gotta keep positive pace, man. You know, defense, they send them blitzes and the offense, we gotta see it, we gotta react high routes and things like that. You know, as an offense, we gotta adapt to it. And defense, they can continue to do what they do, you know, so we gotta get in order to get better on that. We gotta find the, the boys the hot routes identify the safeties. Pre snout reads, you know, a lot coming to it, you know, the defense, they the best. Nah. So it's only right. It's what you want as offense. You want to go against the best every single day, you know, and there's no better feeling than this going against them every single day. Sharpening the blade, man. So on Sundays we humming, you know, so day four, supposed to be hard, supposed to be hot. That's going to count, man. That's what make it fun.

[Co-Host 2]

Where.

[Co-Host 1]

Where does Nico versus the cornerback stack up on the matchups, the training camp matchups that you, you were stacking it like a wrestling card.

[Co-Host 2]

I don't spend a whole lot of

[Lead Analyst]

time receivers and defensive backs, but like, I. It's like it sticks out to you.

[Co-Host 2]

11 on 11 when Nico's running downfield. Like, that's where I'm just saying, when I can tell the ball's not going

[Lead Analyst]

to Nico or whatever, I'm not watching exactly what's going on. And it's like you don't get to go back and watch the film. There have been some really good. There have been really some really good battles between Nico and those two cornerbacks on some of the deep balls. There have been some really tight window throws at CJ's. Some of them he's completed, some have been knocked away. But that part of it, watching those guys go after it.

[Co-Host 2]

But then also I'm a little bit

[Lead Analyst]

annoyed that CJ had the playoff performance that he did because I don't think CJ's in a position to be like,

[Co-Host 2]

it's just training camp.

[Lead Analyst]

I'm just going to.

[Co-Host 2]

I'm going to throw YOLO. Go throw a 50, 50 ball to

[Lead Analyst]

Nico and Derek, to Derek Stingley and see what happens.

[Co-Host 1]

Winds up on TikTok.

[Lead Analyst]

I think he's making the. No, I think he's making the right decision in a game. You're just, you know, there's certain parts of Derek Stingley that you're just, you're not, you're, you're not throwing it in that direction when it looks like it might be a 50, 50 ball.

[Co-Host 1]

So there's people that are going to be out. There's fans out here. There's fans out here all week, going up to the night practice on Saturday, and there's fans already lined up outside here as there have been the last couple years for training camp, probably listening on the Odyssey app on their phone. What's. If you were. If someone were driving here and you were telling them the matchup in pads today for the first time that you're most looking forward to seeing.

[Lead Analyst]

Oh, okay. I would say in the when they're in any kind of a run situation, the interior, offensive and defensive line, because you'll see Kaden McDonald.

[Co-Host 2]

Well, for one, you're going to see

[Lead Analyst]

Keelan Rutledge potentially if he's working with the ones going against. Well, really, even if he's working with the twos going against some really good defensive tackles. Kaden McDonald Just in general, like he's a guy that can't. He's more of a strength guy than

[Co-Host 2]

a speed guy, so there's not a

[Lead Analyst]

lot that he can really flash during when there's no shoulder pads on. He earns his money and his draft status on days like this.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

Where there's an inside run and how's he holding up in there and then how's the offensive line doing against him and Tommy Togi and all those guys?

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So.

[Lead Analyst]

But then on third down Hi, I'm

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[Lead Analyst]

Danielle Hunter and will Anderson and I don't.

[Co-Host 2]

I think Jadevian practices today. I don't know travel should travel well. But he had been up.

[Co-Host 1]

Hmm. Maybe has to take a physical.

[Lead Analyst]

He's going to know and they're going to take. They'll ease him into it and be sure that he's like they'll probably have him do some team.

[Narrator/Host]

He's a vet.

[Lead Analyst]

That yeah. I would say though, but Will Andrew,

[Co-Host 2]

this is a, this is what I

[Lead Analyst]

would say about the offensive line this year where even on Saturday some of the bad snaps is that two years ago last year, excuse me, last year guys weren't even in position to lose the physical battles because the O line was so stupid mentally this year at times, you know what, yeah, Ariante Ursary is gonna lose some reps to Danil Hunter or Will Anderson but he's had some good reps too. And you know, Trent Brown had a really nice rep and one of the ones that kind of went viral on social media. Trent Brown had a really nice rep versus Will Anderson.

[Co-Host 1]

Yep.

[Co-Host 2]

But it was all with no pads.

[Lead Analyst]

So watching today in pads, watching those edge rushers just a lot easier to see if you're, if you're at practice watching from the stands. It's hard to watch the interior offensive and defensive line but you can watch the those edge rushers.

[Co-Host 1]

Yep. We'll get to acknowledge me in a second. Last one storylines from camp number five for me, Tank Dell is the most popular player on a near two year hiatus that I've ever seen in my life.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

Did you hear how he gets.

[Lead Analyst]

He's almost like a young J.J. watt when you come out for training.

[Co-Host 1]

He got a pop the other day out here, man. And Tank isn't really doing much out here. He's you know, catching off the jugs machine. He's doing some walk through stuff. But Tank is, man, Tank Dell is a popular, popular dude. He'll walk out here today. I'm sure he'll get another big pop.

[Lead Analyst]

I think people are also giving him emotional support. There's a kind of, you know, it's a combination of appreciation for seeing him out there, but also keep his spirits.

[Co-Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, we're here for you, Tank.

[Co-Host 1]

Yep.

[Lead Analyst]

Until you wrong us.

[Co-Host 1]

This is James Palmer on the plan for Tank Dell.

[Reporter]

All right, here's what I've gathered this spring. They thought he moved around. Well, they thought he moved around. You know, it was, it was positive. I'd say they're cautiously optimistic because of this. He was running most of the spring at about 70%. He was going full go.

[Steve Smith (continued)]

That's good.

[Reporter]

And so that's kind of where he was at there. I don't think there is a timetable in place right now and I think that's also good. Like, hey, you gotta be back for this. No, let's see how this goes. This could be, and I was told this in a couple days ago, prepping for this, it could be pretty wide ranging. He could show up at camp and go, oh, he's ahead. He put in a ton of work. All right, let's do this. Or it could be, hey, hey, this. He might not be ready for the start of the season.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah. So I think when people ask what's the plan for Tank Dell? The team's not going to be able to give you. If they were being completely open and transparent, they can't give you a real solid plan. Other than that, we're going to try to take it step by step. We're going to see how he does and we're going to see how he recovers when we advance a little bit.

[Co-Host 2]

To clarify, when James Palmer says, you

[Lead Analyst]

know, he was running at 70%, that doesn't mean that he never runs 100%. It's just in the volunteer three quarter speed drills, kind of like the ones we saw out there, that they're, they're tamping him back and making sure that he just goes step by step through the process.

[Co-Host 2]

The fact that he didn't, the fact

[Lead Analyst]

that they are in that wait and see mode or just, you know, not trying to put a specific timetable on it, it's, it makes it even more encouraging though that they didn't put him on the puppet because they could easily at that point say, well, if we don't know if he's Going to be ready by week one. We want to reserve the right to put him on PUP at the. Keep him on PUP at the start of the season.

[Co-Host 2]

To put.

[Lead Analyst]

To not have him on PUP at the start of training camp. You're kind of pushing your chips in.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

And saying we got to see him out here in practice and see. And then maybe we're in an uncomfortable situation with roster spots, but it's worth the risk and it's worth the gamble.

[Co-Host 1]

They are betting on him being healthy.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

That's what. Not being a p. It's a little

[Lead Analyst]

bit of a gamble on him. Yeah. They're kind of betting.

[Co-Host 2]

If they had to toss a coin,

[Lead Analyst]

it feels like it's a weighted coin that it's a better than 50% chance that he's ready. Week one.

[Co-Host 1]

That would seem to be. That would seem to be. All right, let's get to acknowledge me acknowledging big performances. Big news. Other things from over the weekend. I will say a name or in the case of the first one, a series of names. And Byron, who's back in the studio producing today, will play Roman Reigns, tribal chief who won at SummerSlam last night. He beat Seth Rollins. And we'll acknowledge big performances. All right, here we go.

[Co-Host 2]

Hey, can I ask you real quick?

[Jen Hatmaker]

Sure.

[Lead Analyst]

So on espn, are they actually breaking down wwe?

[Co-Host 2]

Is this what I saw?

[Lead Analyst]

I saw people all upset about something. I think that's what it was, actually breaking down wwe.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah. And the week leading up to it, they have Joe Tessitore, who's one of the voices of WWE in studio, like, breaking down the matches, and Mike Greenberg on get up.

[Co-Host 2]

Why would people be upset about that? Why would I see so many tweets about like, oh, this is where we are right now?

[Lead Analyst]

I guess.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

I love it.

[Co-Host 2]

Oh, I love it. I have to start watching ESPN again and I don't even care about wrestling. But I'm intrigued to watch what everybody is.

[Co-Host 1]

You need to watch the action. Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

You need to watch.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah. Will Anderson Jr, Daniel Hunter, Derek Stingley and Nico Collins.

[Lead Analyst]

Acknowledge me.

[Co-Host 1]

These are the four Texans with a Madden score of 90 or higher.

[Steve Smith (continued)]

Seth.

[Co-Host 2]

That's what it's all about, Sean. It's like wwe. This is the stuff that matters.

[Lead Analyst]

Damn it.

[Co-Host 2]

It is kind of does from a team standpoint, like a business standpoint.

[Lead Analyst]

You want people out there playing with your players and everything and.

[Co-Host 2]

Yeah, well, it is.

[Co-Host 1]

I mean, it.

[Lead Analyst]

It is bringing the.

[Co-Host 2]

Bring the young folk up to be lifelong Texans fans.

[Co-Host 1]

Look, I will say this. This is probably a better indicator of what Your overall talent level is in the NFL top 100.

[Co-Host 2]

Oh, yeah, yeah,

[Co-Host 1]

yeah, yeah. Like they're. And it breaks down all the different aspects of a player. So Those are the four players that are above 90. C.J. stroud, 76.

[Lead Analyst]

What's that, what's that mean?

[Co-Host 1]

24th best quarterback in the sport according to Madden. Behind. Behind the likes of Aaron Rodgers. Old man Aaron Rodgers.

[Lead Analyst]

All right, that does that kind of annoy me.

[Co-Host 1]

All right, Bryce Young.

[Co-Host 2]

Okay, I'll whatever.

[Co-Host 1]

Jackson Dart, huh?

[Co-Host 2]

Well, I wonder, you know, factoring in

[Lead Analyst]

running ability and everything.

[Co-Host 1]

Yes, I guess, I mean I would,

[Co-Host 2]

you know, took it to Jackson Dart last year. Jadevian Clowney. Yeah, he bounced his head off the turf a couple of times.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

Brian Dabel probably ignored that. Pulled him out of the tent multiple

[Lead Analyst]

times after jabbing on Clowney.

[Co-Host 1]

Hey, which slight, which slight do you think C.J. takes the most offense to not making the NFL's top 100? I know the top 100 is not over yet. Yeah, but it's looks like he's not going to make it. Not making the player voted NFL top 100. Only getting one vote in that ESPN thing that were coaches and front office people. Or a 76 score on Madden that puts him behind Aaron Rodgers and Bryce.

[Co-Host 2]

You know, the 76 score is the

[Lead Analyst]

one that comes up in nature the most. Like people approaching you and everything.

[Co-Host 1]

He probably plays video games.

[Co-Host 2]

There's kids that want to play with C.J. stroud. They probably come up to him as like, I love you so much, but I just can't, I can't win it. Madden. And you're kind of like, what am

[Lead Analyst]

I going to do?

[Co-Host 2]

Tell this kid to bleep off and go viral? Yeah. Probably one that affects him the most. Just walking around when he's at the Kroger. Yeah, Yeah,

[Co-Host 1]

I gotta play with Jackson Dart now.

[Co-Host 2]

And it's always nice when you do have a high Madden score and kids come up to you because that happens for generations.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

Sometimes the Madden score will be a little too generous and kids will come up to you and be like, man, I'll tell you what.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

And in such and such year, you were a machine and I played with you every game.

[Co-Host 1]

Did you ever know what your Madden score?

[Lead Analyst]

No, I never had a clue.

[Ian Rapoport]

Okay.

[Co-Host 2]

I was always criminally underrated. I know. But there was like a glitch in a couple of years where I had

[Lead Analyst]

like one move that was unstoppable.

[Co-Host 1]

Really?

[Co-Host 2]

Yeah, it was. And I guys always. And I never bothered.

[Lead Analyst]

Don't be a jerk, man.

[Co-Host 2]

Yeah, no, like to this day I was at a airport rental car counter

[Lead Analyst]

in Buffalo and this kid, he was

[Co-Host 2]

like 23 years old and he was like, he was looking at my license and my reservation. He's like, are you the guy you played for the Jaguars and the Texans back in the day? And I was like, yeah. He's like. And he knew he had gone. He was like a super mad nerd.

[Lead Analyst]

He'd gone through and played every season. Yeah. And everything.

[Co-Host 2]

And he just like he was telling me stuff about you were what happened in 19 or like 1999.

[Co-Host 1]

And did he know about your, your special, special move?

[Co-Host 2]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

A counterclockwise swirl.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah, it was.

[Co-Host 1]

Yes. Will Levis acknowledge me. I am going to acknowledge Will Levis for this five star level of delusion that he had. Will Levis had a press conference last week. He is the backup quarterback in Tennessee to Cam Ward. This is Will Levis talking about where he thinks he stands among other quarterbacks in the NFL.

[Ian Rapoport]

I know I've put the tape out there already that I'm a, you know, a dang good quarterback in this league and I'm even better than I ever have been. So the faith that you have a

[Co-Host 1]

future as a starter in this league.

[Co-Host 2]

100%.

[Ian Rapoport]

100%. I know I'm, you know, I think I'm there. There are not 32 quarterbacks in this league better than me. I know that for sure.

[Co-Host 2]

So he's a confident young man. I'd say he's every bit as stupid as Jackson Dart, but without all of

[Lead Analyst]

all the physical prowess to make up for it. Will Levis might be one of the dumbest football players I've ever seen.

[Co-Host 1]

Is he One of the 32 best quarterbacks? That's the question.

[Co-Host 2]

I don't know. There's some bad quarterbacks out there. I don't know. Let's see. Last year with his, his 13 touchdowns

[Lead Analyst]

and 12 interceptions and his eyes, his 2,000. This was 2024, not last year.

[Co-Host 2]

No, I would have to say that

[Lead Analyst]

I don't think it's a slam dunk that he's better than 32 guys out there.

[Co-Host 1]

Can I just tell you, Aaron Raybould who's out here on site.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

Pulled up your Madden scores from your career. You aged like a fine wine. Your three best Madden scores were your last three years in football.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah, but I don't know, they weren't good Madden scores.

[Co-Host 1]

You're 87.

[Co-Host 2]

Is that good?

[Co-Host 1]

That's good.

[Lead Analyst]

Is it?

[Co-Host 1]

87's good. If you're in the high 80s, dude.

[Co-Host 2]

You know what's so bogus about that,

[Lead Analyst]

though, is like, so much of that's based on probably how many.

[Co-Host 2]

Like, because I had a couple. I had a couple years where for.

[Lead Analyst]

For a nose tackle, I had like, five sacks, which is like, so. But it wasn't like I was better that year or anything.

[Co-Host 1]

You know, it's funny, and I think you'll take most offense to this because you had a pretty good vertical leap for a big guy.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

They added jumping ability in 2001.

[Lead Analyst]

Jumping ability for a nose tackle.

[Co-Host 2]

11.

[Lead Analyst]

Oh, is that out of 100?

[Co-Host 1]

Yes.

[Co-Host 2]

But.

[Co-Host 1]

But then the next six years, you were in the 40s, so clearly they just.

[Lead Analyst]

That was race based right there.

[Co-Host 2]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

They judged a book by its.

[Co-Host 2]

I had a really good. No, it's like, then they started watching,

[Co-Host 1]

like, wow, look at the hop.

[Co-Host 2]

My combine. My 40 times sucked. But, like, as far as my vertical, my horizontal and all that stuff, I was pretty damn explosive.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah, man.

[Co-Host 2]

And. And yet I had all these coaches being like, you ever think about playing online? And I'm like, I don't. Like, I feel like I'm. I feel like I can play defensive of tackle. Why are you asking me this question?

[Co-Host 1]

An 11 jumping. You may as well be wearing cement shoes.

[Co-Host 2]

Well, that was also after a couple

[Lead Analyst]

of ACLs and a torn patellar tendon.

[Co-Host 1]

How is it? Oh, no, no, no.

[Co-Host 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

That was before Jacksonville. Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

No, I tore my patellar tendon my rookie year.

[Co-Host 1]

Oh, you did?

[PJ Vogt]

Oh, that's right.

[Co-Host 2]

Well, I played with it for two years.

[Co-Host 1]

You didn't know about it.

[Co-Host 2]

I played. Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

That's how you can.

[Lead Analyst]

Partially torn patellar tendon.

[Co-Host 1]

That's your psychological connection with Jordan Alvarez.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

Because he played with a couple of.

[Co-Host 2]

It's not fun.

[Co-Host 1]

Hey, by the way, let me.

[Lead Analyst]

They didn't know that it was partially torn back then. They would do an mri, and it was just. I'm pretty sure they would just, like, use a Polaroid and guess.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

Here's the outside of your knee. Speaking of Jordan, Jordan Alvarez.

[Lead Analyst]

Acknowledge me.

[Co-Host 1]

Jordan Alvarez, who is. Is way out in front for American League MVP right now. Another. This thing. My favorite thing about this when the Astros play the Rangers. Seth.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

Is we get at least one hilarious Jordan Alvarez graphic during a game about how he's destroyed the Rangers to the same degree that whole teams have.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

Or that he's hit as many home runs in that ballpark as guys on the Rangers who are leading them in home runs. Things like that. This was the funny graphic from over the weekend. Most home runs against The Rangers in 2026. The Mariners with nine, the Yankees with nine. The Braves with nine, Jordan Alvarez with eight.

[Co-Host 2]

He is there. He is to, by the way, the

[Co-Host 1]

Astros, 25 home runs against the Rangers this year. How about that? Yeah, go ahead.

[Lead Analyst]

I interrupt. Bunch of losers.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

So I was almost to say Yordon is to the Rangers kind of what Ty Hilton was the Texans. Difference is though, the Ty Hilton wasn't

[Lead Analyst]

Ty Hill and wasn't nearly as good a football player as he was when he was versus the Texans.

[Co-Host 2]

Right. He was way better versus the Texans than he was the rest of the time. Whereas Jordan is one of the best

[Lead Analyst]

players in the league.

[Co-Host 2]

So I get he's kind of like

[Lead Analyst]

Derrick Henry was to the Texans for a long time until d' Ameco got here.

[Co-Host 2]

And now d' Amico's had the Texans

[Lead Analyst]

since d' Ameco's gotten here have delivered

[Co-Host 2]

Derrick Henry a couple of the worst

[Lead Analyst]

games of his career.

[Co-Host 2]

But he's still like when Derrick Henry had just remember like he had basically

[Lead Analyst]

rushed for a mile against the Texans.

[Co-Host 1]

He was like three 200 yard games in a row or something like that. Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

All right.

[Co-Host 1]

J.J. watt.

[Co-Host 2]

Did they sign him now?

[Narrator/Host]

No.

[Co-Host 1]

That would be fun though. That would be great. He is. This happened over the weekend. He is getting bumped up, at least on an interim basis to the A team on cbs.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

So that would seem to indicate to me that Tony Romo, by the way, Tony Romo, who's been put on indefinite leave by CBS in the aftermath of his OWI arrest up in Wisconsin. It's DWI to you and me. JJ Watt is getting bumped up. He's going to be with Jim Nance for the foreseeable future on cbs.

[Co-Host 2]

I'm with you. I really liked him with an Ian

[Lead Analyst]

Eagle and I thought they were a great pair.

[Co-Host 2]

And I don't know, maybe really Jim

[Lead Analyst]

Nance and Tony Romo together as a package have really not been a great broadcast crew. But I think Jim Nance has been dragged down by Tony Romo just deciding to not pay attention to the game he's watching.

[Co-Host 2]

You know DEZ Bryant.

[Lead Analyst]

DEZ Bryant had a tweet this weekend about how smart Romo is and how he sees the game and everything.

[Co-Host 2]

And I, and I wanted to say, like, yes, I agree with you. He probably, those things are probably true, but he's devoting none of that intelligence towards actually preparing for or watching the game while he's out there.

[Co-Host 1]

This was the dumbest buy of his tweet Des Bryant. Des Bryant's actually pretty good on Twitter. Yeah, this was and he's taking up for Tony Romo. I get it. The dumbest thing in this tweet was when he says the knowledge Tony rarely shows the world is on another level. So I retweeted, I said, des, he's a broadcaster. I would suggest he show that he

[Co-Host 2]

rarely shows it to the world. Yeah, it is like you knew from his first couple years as a broadcaster that oh cool, he sees the game differently. I thought people took the calling out

[Lead Analyst]

the plays a little too far because for one he was wrong way more than people realize. But two, it was just annoying.

[Co-Host 2]

And but he just steadily over time looked like everything that if I were a Cowboys fan I would be like, oh, this is why he never really capitalized on his potential as a player.

[Lead Analyst]

It doesn't seem like he's really working all that hard at it.

[Co-Host 1]

Here's my question to you. Yeah, These are the CBS Week 1 game because Bill's Texans is a good game. Yeah, that's the game. That's it's noon Sunday Week one. These are the six CBS games this

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[e-mail] I think we get Jim Nance and J.J. watt. Bills, Texans, Jets, Titans. No chance that they get him.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

Ravens, Colts. I think Bill's Texans. Better than that, I would say.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah. Browns, Jaguars, Likely not.

[Co-Host 1]

Likely not.

[Co-Host 2]

Okay.

[Lead Analyst]

No, definitely likely not.

[Co-Host 2]

You've got a bad team versus a

[Lead Analyst]

good team, but the good team is one of the smallest markets.

[Co-Host 1]

Yep, yep, yep. And then the two late window games. Two late window games. I'll get this one out of the way. They're not doing Cardinals, Chargers.

[Lead Analyst]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Co-Host 1]

But 325 window, which is a big window for CBS. Yeah, that's oftentimes where you see the A team on there. Packers, Vikings. Do you think get Texans Bills noon or Packers Vikings late window?

[Lead Analyst]

I think it probably ends up being Packers Vikings.

[Co-Host 1]

I think that's. I think that game's in the late window for reason.

[Lead Analyst]

You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-Host 1]

The Bills, Texans, man.

[Co-Host 2]

No, no, no. Bills, Texans is if you base it purely on Vikings. Pure football matchup.

[Lead Analyst]

Two of the favorites in the afc,

[Co-Host 2]

et cetera, et cetera to the two

[Lead Analyst]

big name quarterbacks, all of that. Whereas the Vikings, you don't, you don't even know what the hell is going on with the quarterback situation.

[Narrator/Host]

No, no.

[Co-Host 2]

By pure football standards, it should be Texans versus the Bills.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

Or Bills versus Texans.

[Lead Analyst]

But the packers are the packers. And it's a divisional matchup with.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

And it's the. It's a late afternoon.

[Co-Host 1]

That's the biggest thing. If the Packers Vikings were at noon, I'd be like, oh, yeah, no, they're. They'll do Bills, Texans. But that late window to me is.

[Co-Host 2]

Is that. What's the latest scuttlebutt? J.J. mcCarthy is actually in the lead now in the quarterback competition.

[Co-Host 1]

That's not what I've seen.

[Co-Host 2]

Yeah, that's not what you've seen.

[Co-Host 1]

I haven't been following it close.

[Co-Host 2]

I just follow. I just see various tweets.

[Lead Analyst]

So who knows? I haven't read an article or anything.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-Host 2]

So they're saying Kyler Murray is the favorite. Now that I thought after the first week it looked like, well, this is what I saw.

[Lead Analyst]

I was like, okay, JJ McCarthy looks like a guy who's been in the system for a year.

[Co-Host 1]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

And knows what he's doing. Whereas Kyler Murray, it's still more.

[Co-Host 1]

Again, when I say I haven't seen I've not followed it at all. So yeah, I'm just not. Yeah, I, I had heard good things about Kyler Murray through the spring, but, you know, this is where the rubber meets the road. All right, that was. Acknowledge me. We do it. We do it each and every Monday at about this time. All right, d' Amico Ryan's scouting reports on different guys. Four practices in, including two new guys. And this guy is still getting the same label, the same title he got from d' Amico Ryan's last year. And I like it. Wonder if this guy's going to be around for a long time. We'll see. But we got d' Ameco Ryan scouting reports as we get you ready for today's first padded practice out here at Texans Training camp. That's coming up next.

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