Trip Around the AFC South - What's Cosell Saying? + Clark the Anti-Espada

Summary

Payne & Pendergast – Trip Around the AFC South: What’s Cosell Saying? + Clark the Anti-Espada (July 2, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, hosts Seth Payne and Sean Pendergast conduct a lively, insightful “trip” around the AFC South, primarily through the lens of NFL film analyst Greg Cosell’s recent breakdowns. They focus on the Texans’ major offseason changes, especially at quarterback, offensive line, and running back, while contrasting their situation with rival teams in the division. The episode moves beyond X’s and O’s with humorous diversions into Boy Scouts, old-school vs. new-school coaching philosophies in baseball (featuring Will Clark), and even the cultural phenomenon of the FIFA World Cup "superfan" Freddie. The hosts' signature banter keeps the tone energetic, candid, and Houston-centric.

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Key Discussion Points

The Value of Discipline: Boy Scouts and Football Culture

• [00:45] The show starts with the revelation that David Montgomery is an Eagle Scout and current ambassador for Scouting America.
• Hosts connect the values of discipline and perseverance from scouting to Demeco Ryans’ criteria for “his type” of football player.
  • Seth: “I feel like Eagle Scout probably throws you way up a Demeco Ryans big board.”
  • Light-hearted jokes about quitting scouts over too much (or too little) camping and struggles with outdoors hygiene.

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Deep Dive with Greg Cosell: Texans Offense Under the Microscope

C.J. Stroud’s Growing Pains

• [03:20–05:59] Greg Cosell’s analysis from Ross Tucker’s podcast:
  • Rookie year: Stroud played in a Shanahan-style offense where he didn’t set protections—much easier mentally.
  • Second year: Slowik fired, transition to a Patriots-style offense, now Stroud must set protections—much harder, slows processing.
  • “He’s a very intelligent young man… but I thought he was indecisive and therefore was not as anticipatory as we saw him in his rookie season.” (Greg Cosell, 04:25)
  • Seth and Sean validate Cosell’s perspective, emphasizing that improvement with experience is possible but not guaranteed.

The Role of Coaching Experience

• [06:14–07:15]
  • Comparison to Josh McDaniels’ proven quarterback development in New England.
  • Sean questions if a more veteran offensive coordinator would have eased Stroud’s transition.

Fixing the Running Game & O-Line Overhaul

• [07:15–10:12] Cosell’s evaluation of Texans’ run game woes and 2026 revamp:
  • Houston could not run the ball, even after adding Joe Mixon.
  • A fully rebuilt O-line: Braden Smith (RT), Wyatt Teller (LG), Keelan Rutledge (probable C), plus 3-4 new starters.
  • Arrival of David Montgomery (“You don’t have to have a special back to have a consistent, sustaining run game.” – Cosell, 08:19)
  • Hosts echo the message that the aim isn’t elite rushing stats but basic run consistency and short-yardage conversions.

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Around the AFC South: Colts, Jaguars & Titans

Jaguars: Smart or Overconfident?

• [12:02–16:57]
  • Discussion of Shane Steichen’s and Liam Cohen’s coaching impact:
    • Both got QBs (Daniel Jones, Trevor Lawrence) comfortable with “first-read” simplicity.
    • “Liam Cohen got Trevor Lawrence… to a primary read operator and looked more comfortable than he ever has.” (Cosell, 13:39)
  • Jags planning to “run it back” with nearly all 22 starters returning.
  • Cosell’s diplomatic skepticism: “At this time of year, I’m going to assume that they know and they’re going to get the benefit of the doubt.” (14:59) Both hosts hear that as barely-veiled criticism.
  • Seth: “When all of your draft picks are off-kilter from what everybody thinks… you think you’re smarter than everyone else.” (16:49)

Titans: The D-Line to Fear

• [17:10–19:12]
  • Cosell: “Their defensive line, it is freaking big, and they can go 7, 8 deep with quality players… that’s the way Robert Saleh wants to play.” (17:28)
  • Hosts note Texans’ recurring struggles vs. big, deep D-lines, and list the wave of defensive overhauls they’ll face early in the schedule (Bengals, Cowboys, Giants).

Texans Outlook vs Division Rivals

• [19:52–22:10]
  • Sean: “I think the Jaguars will still be a good team… I think it’s going to be tough for them to match their record from last year.” (20:31)
  • Both hosts argue Texans made the most clear, aggressive improvements—especially on OL and safety.
  • O-Line depth much improved: “It’s definitely a deeper room… I actually feel okay about the backups right now.” (22:10)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Texans’ Offensive Identity:

• “You got to be able to convert in the red zone. And a lot of that just simply comes down to can you run for a half yard when you need a half yard?” (David, 08:36)
• “The key for them will be having the full playbook available on second and third down and then keeping the defense off balance.” (Seth, 09:55)

On “Running It Back” in Jacksonville:

• “I’m not one of those people… I don’t rip teams… at this time of year, I’m going to assume they know and they’re going to get the benefit of the doubt.” (Cosell, 14:59)
• “By even acknowledging the potential ripping… is like ripping them.” (Seth, 15:33)

On Tough-Love Coaching in Baseball (Will Clark segment)

• [29:20–30:50] Will Clark, on why he’d never manage in MLB:
  • “I am not going to pat you on the back and tell you you’re doing a good job when you’re hitting .220 and you strike out a hundred times… you actually suck. I’m gonna tell you you suck… This is a big boy game.” (Will Clark, 29:36)
  • Seth: “I want at least one season of Will Clark as the Astros manager.” (30:15)
  • Joking about a “Will Clark Experiment” if the Astros need a shakeup midseason.

On Generational Changes – Driver’s Licenses & Parenting

• [38:00–39:08] The hosts reflect humorously on how kids today are less eager to get licenses—contrasting current more-involved parenting with the “just go play outside” attitudes of their own youth.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:45 – Eagle Scouts, discipline, and football
• 03:20 – Greg Cosell breaks down C.J. Stroud’s evolution and challenges
• 07:15 – Texans’ run game and major offensive line changes
• 12:24 – AFC South coaching philosophies: Steichen, Cohen, and “first-read” QBs
• 14:59 – Cosell’s sly shade on the Jaguars’ “run it back” strategy
• 17:28 – Titans’ D-line breakdown; Texans’ upcoming defensive tests
• 20:31 – Colts and Jaguars predictions; Texans’ improved depth and competition
• 29:20 – Will Clark’s “old school” coaching take vs Espada’s softer approach
• 38:00 – Generational shifts in driving and parenting culture

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Final Thoughts

Texans Takeaway: The hosts are optimistic about Houston’s offseason moves—especially compared to their division foes. Both believe the Texans addressed previous years’ depth and skill issues, while the Jaguars may plateau and the Titans remain dangerous up front.

Broader Themes: The episode balances in-depth, candid football analysis with trademark banter, highlighting generational changes in both sports and culture, and playfully noting the difference between tough-love and player-friendly managerial styles.

Best Quote:
Will Clark: “I am not going to pat you on the back and tell you you’re doing a good job when you’re hitting .220 and you strike out a hundred times… you actually suck.”

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For Houston fans or AFC South watchers, this episode is a fast-paced, highly opinionated primer on why the 2026 Texans may be ready for a leap—and why the rest of the division may be due some regression.

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Transcript

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[Seth]

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[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

The amount of discipline that it takes to do that. Not a lot of guys stick through all the way to do that.

[David]

Well, you know, and especially, you know, when you're a really good football player, sometimes you get pushed along through the school system.

[Guest or Contributor]

Right.

[David]

Because they need you out there on the field. Eagle Scouts, they don't push you along.

[Seth]

No.

[David]

You're a good football player.

[Seth]

Gotta earn it.

[David]

They're not gonna be like, that's not. They're gonna be like, yeah, okay, sure. That's not. A sailor's not. And the boat would have come unmoored and people would have died. But you're. So you rushed for 1500 yards. So here' you go.

[Additional Contributor]

Yeah.

[Seth]

No, you got to earn it. That's why I quit.

[David]

Yeah,

[Seth]

but it's funny. I was joking. I did. I quit. As soon as we had to go on campouts where the temperatures were below like 15 degrees. I'm like, nah, I'm, I'm, I'm out.

[David]

I see. I Wish I would have been in your. Your Boy Scout troop. They sounded like they're doing it the right way. That was. My guys seemed, like terrified of the outdoors.

[Seth]

Yeah, you. When you get. When you said before that you dropped out of the Scouts because there wasn't enough camping. Yeah, I actually dropped out because there was too much camping. I'm like, no, no, I'm. I need running water. This text right here, my son had boy. My son was in Boy Scouts, and he was done when they said, we're going to dig a hole to use the bathroom. Amen, brother. Amen.

[David]

Was he cool with just pooping on the flat ground or was it the actual day of the pooping into a hole?

[Seth]

I think it was the being outdoors and pooping thing. You know, just.

[David]

You got to ask these questions, though. You can't just assume that's true.

[Seth]

That's true. All right, we'll get to more of your text. 713-572-4-610. Greg Cosell, was this from his hits with Ross?

[David]

Yeah, this is on the Ross Tucker football podcast.

[Guest or Contributor]

Okay.

[Seth]

And. And Greg Cassell, who. I mean, that's his thing is he watches film and he watches it with a very educated eye. So I like his take on some of these things.

[David]

And they started off when Greg was. They're going through the AFC south preview, and Ross just flat out kind of asked open, open question, like, hey, Texans, go. And Cassell had this to say as he's reflecting on C.J. stroud during this offseason.

[Greg Cosell]

C.J. stroud, the last couple of years has been up and down. Now, keep in mind, his first year in the league, he was in a Kyle Shanahan type offense with Bobby Slowik. Now, in that offense, the quarterback has nothing to do with calling protections. And then they got off to a slow start his second year, and they fired Slowik and they made a fair, significant change in approach, which has now continued. And they went more with a New England Patriots style of offense. And in the New England style of offense, the quarterback is responsible for setting protections. That's a major, major adjustment for a quarterback. It adds to the mental part of playing the position. And I've met CJ Stroud. He's a very intelligent young man. But when you have to make that change, then it's a process and he'll get better and better at it. But I think it slowed down just his whole processing, and I think there were times where I thought he was indecisive playing the position and therefore was not as anticipatory as we saw him in his rookie season.

[Seth]

Okay, so that was a. Just. So I'm keeping track because he talked about slowed down. That was a bad version of slowed down.

[David]

A bad version of slowed down. Yeah. Sometimes he says sped up and slowed down.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

Almost synonymously. Feels like. But I think that one thing is that just like everything that he said, you know, we've heard before, we've talked about before. It's always nice to hear somebody else say it. But the big thing about it is that it's also. It's one of those things where it's an explanation, but that's also not a guarantee that it will happen and that he will adapt to the offense. I think the part there where he talked about, you know, that, you know, he's met C.J. stroud. He's a very intelligent young man. You know, that's reflected by what a lot of other people have said who have sat down and watched film with, with C.J. stroud. But there's knowing it on the whiteboard and then doing it in person, and just a lot of it just flat out takes reps. And that's the part where, you know, if you're, if you're on the side of like, okay, well, C.J. just needed some time in the system, then, yeah, you should, you should stay on with that line of thinking. There's reasons for you to think that it should be better this year. But I also do understand that people will say, look, yeah, look, lots of quarterbacks have tried this and they've continued to struggle with it as they get into their second or third year of the system. It's not a slam dunk guarantee that just because you've got time in the system, you're going to get good at it.

[Seth]

How, how much did it exacerbate things? Do you think that in combination last year with CJ Being in the system for the first time, and it's not easy, as Greg Cosell just outlined, that you also had a guy who was an offensive coordinator for the first time teaching the system.

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[David]

Well, you know, and that's. And that was actually somebody. One of my live stream listeners corrected me on this yesterday, and I'm glad he did. It was because, you know, Drake May's done a really good job with Josh McDaniels up in New England. But one thing that Josh McDaniels did also with Drake May is he's he. And he did this with Mac Jones. You know, he knows exactly what they can and cannot handle and incorporate elements of the things they did in college. And that's, you know, that's Josh McDaniels having a whole bunch of experience working with various quarterbacks through the years. You can say whatever you want about Josh McDaniels. As a head coach, he's been a disaster. But as an offensive coordinator, as a guy who works with quarterbacks, it's not just Tom Brady that he's worked with and done a good job. And I think that's. Yeah. Like, would. Would it have looked better with Josh McDaniels as the offensive coordinator last year? I'd have a hard time arguing that it, that it wouldn't just by. He's done it time and time and time again, and he's had a lot of experience doing it. So with Kaylee, I think it was. That was part of the learning curve.

[Seth]

Yep. And then what's getting brought up quite a bit this off season with C.J. stroud is the lack of a running game that he's not just last year. That's been a theme for the entire

[David]

time that CJ Stroud, including when Joe Mixon was here. It just wasn't the. It wasn't consistent. Yeah, you know, it came in fits and starts, but, like, the overall success rate of their run game was really bad. And it's just, it's hard for a quarterback to work with that.

[Seth]

Yep. Here's Greg Cosell on that very topic.

[Greg Cosell]

They could not run the ball. Now, it's always easy to say, well, Stroud's not been great because the run game's bad. And obviously there is a correlation. I'm not going to sit here and say there's no correlation, but they brought in David Montgomery and they revamped their entire offensive line. They're going to have three or four new starters. Okay. They brought in Braden Smith to play right tackle, Wyatt Teller, who for a couple of years there in Cleveland was as good a left guard as there was in the league, particularly in the gap scheme run game as a puller. Keelan Rutledge, who played guard, the rookie out of Georgia Tech, he'll probably play center. So they're going to have a brand new offensive line and ideally, at least a serviceable run game. And David Montgomery is one of those backs. He's a. You know, it's so funny. People always talk about backs being special and all that, but you know what? You don't have to have a special back to have a consistent, sustaining run game.

[David]

Yeah, I didn't think that part of it, too. Is that something you Just hear people say over and over again, you know, nobody's saying that the Texans have to be a top five offense or have a top five rushing attack. When you have a defense like you do, they just need to be more consistent. You got to be able to convert in the red zone. And a lot of that just simply comes down to can you, can you run for a half yard when you need a half yard?

[Seth]

Yes.

[David]

Last year there was a whole lot of. They could run for a quarter yard when they needed a half yard, they could run for one yard when they needed two yards. And like that, that one. It's just that one big speed bump that kept them from being, I think, a genuinely like impressive offense or at least in the top third of offenses. It's just that they just couldn't run the ball. I guess the, the flip side of it could be, man, they focus so heavily on running the football with the offensive line and the tight end that they drafted and bringing David Montgomery in that they. Not all those guys are great pass protectors. So they're, they're kind of, they're kind of hoping that the presence of the run game.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

Gives them enough, it gives them enough to threaten the defense with that they can, they can handle the pass protection side of it just by getting into second and five. Yeah, it's, you know, like if you're in second and 10, third and 10 consistently, you can have the best offensive line in the league. They're only going to be able to do so.

[Seth]

Yes. The key for them will be having the full playbook available on second and third down and then keeping the defense off balance. You know, that's you improve your pass protection by through the mystery of the defense not knowing or at least limiting what's available to you.

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[David]

So he goes, this is interesting. We'll do these. I had to be really careful when I labeled this audio because what he said about Shane Steichen working with Daniel,

[Seth]

there's one that I can't wait for,

[David]

I'm just telling you, sounded very similar to what he said about Liam Cohen working with Trevor Lawrence. But this is on Shane Steichen and how good he is at getting the first read open.

[Greg Cosell]

Every pass play, you know, concept is put in during a game with the idea that we want to be able to throw it to the primary. You know, obviously it doesn't always work out like that, but sometimes when you see some, you know, some coaches and some teams, it just looks like that's the way it plays out. And you know, again, that's so critical for a quarterback because the comfort level just increases because he hits his back foot and he delivers the football.

[David]

So that's what it was with Daniel Jones and they made it, you know, he was able to really just, you know, just let it fly in the first half of the last season. But then usually what happens with quarterbacks who are primary read guys is that the league catches up to them. The best example of it that we've seen is Tua Tungavailoa when he was playing the Texans and he's playing a defense that Just knows that Tua, only Tua wants to get rid of the ball fast and he wants to get rid of the ball to his primary read. And if you've got a good feel and beat on where that's going to be, you just pounce on him. And over time, it looks really good. For the first half of a season, you do it. Or in the case of the Jaguars, when it clicks for the quarterback in the second half of the season. Remember what he just said about Shane Steichen working with Daniel Jones? This is Cassell talking about Liam Cohen working with Trevor Lawrence.

[Greg Cosell]

Liam Cohen got Trevor Lawrence. He became, you know, a primary REIT operator a year ago and looked more comfortable than he ever has. Particularly, you know, as he got later in the season when he got more and more comfortable within the offense. There's. It's just a great example of that.

[David]

Yeah. So you know what Greg forgot when Doug Peterson in the second half of his season.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

Got Trevor Lawrence really comfortable with his offense and it looked like, wow.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

Trevor Lawrence is finally delivering on all of those lofty things people said about him coming out of college.

[Seth]

This feels very similar. It feels very similar to that.

[David]

The difference, though, with the Jaguars this year compared to previous years is they've decided that, look, they won the AFC South.

[Guest or Contributor]

Yeah.

[David]

Why? Why tinker with a good thing?

[Guest or Contributor]

Yeah.

[Seth]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

[David]

all 11, all 22 of their starters on the depth chart right now are returning starters.

[Seth]

Okay.

[David]

They, you know, they let go of Travis Hn because apparently they just love Tootin all that much and they let go of Devin Lloyd on the defensive side of the ball, but they're just going to run it back. They're not even running it back. They're saying running it back minus a couple of guys and our draft class. So Greg Cassell is never one to throw shade on people Tell me if this is a little bit of a passive aggressive throwing of shade. This is. When asked about that strategy of just running it back.

[Greg Cosell]

Okay, look, I'm not one. I'm not one of those people. And you know me well enough to know I don't rip teams like they. They know more about their players than you and I do. So, you know, at this time of year, I'm going to assume that they know and they're going to get the benefit of the doubt.

[David]

Yeah. So I was getting the benefit of the doubt until he doesn't by saying

[Seth]

that I don't normally rip guys.

[David]

Yeah, you're kind of ripping the Guy. You'd like to rip them for this?

[Seth]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically, what you're doing. Greg Cosell, it's a brilliant move because he still maintains his reputation of being a nice guy.

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

But by. By even acknowledging that. That the. The potential ripping of somebody for someone like that is like ripping them.

[David]

Right, Right.

[Additional Contributor]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Yes. That is Shade. You asked me. You asked me the question. Yes, we all love.

[David]

We all love, you know, seeing somebody that thinks they're smarter than everybody else get their comeuppance. The problem is that sometimes. Sometimes they don't get their comeuppance. Sometimes they genuinely were smarter than everybody else. So you got to be careful about saying, oh, yeah, this guy thinks he's going to reinvent the wheel because every now and then, they actually do reinvent.

[Seth]

What are the odds that Gladstone is the smartest guy in the room?

[David]

3%.

[Seth]

3%. Okay. So you think this thing is going to fail. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I just. To me, it's the whole drafting thing. Like, the whole just drafting and not that the consensus big boards are some sort of gospel or anything like that. Like, they were carved into tablets and Moses walked down from the mountain with the big boards, the consensus big boards. But when all of your draft picks are off kilter from what everybody thinks about all of them, like, all of them, and they drafted, like, 10 or 11 guys, and this is the biggest

[David]

thing is, like, where the arrogance shows up is the way that Gladstone, after the draft said, it's pretty much like every single guy that we wanted to get, we got.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

I'm like, yeah, okay. Because nobody else thought that they were worth drafting where you drafted them. You think you're smarter than everybody else. Yeah.

[Seth]

And the whole thing where he was relishing the moment of shocking the world, you know, drafting the tight end out of A and M there in the second round. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. So we'll. Good for you, Cosell. All right. What's he saying about the Titans?

[David]

Titans. This is where Texans fans need to take note, because if there's one thing we know, it's the Texans have struggled in recent years with big, strong, physical defensive linemen like the Seahawks have and like the Patriots have. This is. This is what he has to say about the Titans defensive line.

[Greg Cosell]

Their defensive line, it is freaking big, and they can go 7, 8 deep with quality players, and that's the way Robert Sala wants to play.

[David]

Yeah. And again, that's. That's the truth. That's how it's been with Tennessee. Even when Tennessee's defense hasn't been good, when they had, when Tavandre Sweat was still there and Jeffrey Simmons was healthy, when those guys were both healthy and on the field at the same time, they just devastated the Texans. Even in games where the Texans won, they were just manhandled up front. And even though Tavandre Sweat's not there, it's a different front. They do have like, they've got those seven or eight guys that they can rotate through. So it's going to be a bit. It's going to be one of the big tests early in the season for the Texans offensive line, the revamped offensive line and likewise the Bengals are going to be a big test early in the season because the Bengals brought in Boyer Maffei and Dexter, Dexter Lawrence. Multiple, multiple guys on their defensive line.

[Greg Cosell]

Line.

[Seth]

Yeah, they Texans struggled offensively against the Titans last year before even got there.

[David]

Right. And even when they weren't a good defense, that was it. I remember I used to like be when I would do previews for those games, people would say Seth, what the hell are you talking about? The Titans are the, you know, 28th right. Ranked run defense or whatever. I'm just, just, I watch the, just watch this upcoming game and tell me how well they handle those defensive tackles.

[Seth]

No, no, no. Styles make fights sometimes, man.

[David]

That was the thing. The one thing I've noticed is I started just kind of just you know, doing my way too early previews and study. Trying to study up on each of the Texans opponents is that they do. They face a slew of teams that had horrendous defenses last year who also spent very aggressively on trying to fix those defenses.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

And just by epa, I think the Titans, the Bengals and the Cowboys were all in bottom five and all of those teams have at least five new starters. Some of them say. I think the Cowboys have six new starters on defense and they play all

[Seth]

of those teams in the first five weeks of the season.

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Bengals in week two, Cowboys in week four, Titans on the road in week five.

[David]

And, and also I mean and I'm not saying that to say like oh, they're going to be awesome defenses because they spent heavily. No, it's, it's going to be fun to watch to see which ones actually work out and which don't. Which are improved. The Giants, I would add to that. They weren't as bad defensively but. But they have six new starters on their defense.

[Guest or Contributor]

Okay.

[Seth]

So there's our Trip through the, through the AFC South. How you feeling right now about the division here on July 2nd?

[David]

I feel pretty good. I mean, like just, it all goes back to everything we've talked about on the offense all off season. But I just, I don't, I don't feel, I feel like the Colts, I mean, I think they're set up for a quote unquote fall.

[Seth]

I think they're going to finish in last place.

[David]

Right. Because it's not like they finished with an awesome. They lost their quarterback midway through the season. But I don't think it's going to be anything like what it looked like in the first half of last season. Yeah, but I think the Jaguars will still be a good team. I just don't. I, I think it's going to be tough for them to match their record from last year.

[Seth]

Yeah, I just think that. And the Texans, to your point with the Jags, like, okay, what did you do this off season to. To get better? Like, I think the Texans made a ton of moves to get better. Like they made a move to improve safety. They made moves to improve the few, the few glitches they had on defense. On offense, as Cosell pointed out, they, they essentially, they tore the offensive line down to the studs. It's Ariante Ursary is the only one that's left that's kind of guaranteed a spot right now. Other than that, the other four spots are probably.

[David]

There's a good.

[Seth]

And Ed Ingram. Yep, you're right. No, no. So two of them. You're. You're absolutely right. But, but yeah, so that's still 60% of the offensive line because I, I think they're heart of hearts. I don't think they want Jake Andrews to be the starting center. I think they want Keelan Rutledge.

[David]

Unless. Well, you know what I mean? I don't know. I would frame it differently in that I think that if Jake Andrews proves that like, wow, look at, he took a great leap forward, they're cool with him starting. If he beats out Keelan Rutledge. Yeah, you know, they're not going to turn their nose down at it, but they also hope that Keelan Rutledge is going to be a formidable force. Yeah, I think the biggest difference between this year and the last couple of years is that you have, I think you've got bonafide starters competing for those spots. They're competing with other bonafide starters and. Or a first round draft pick. And it's just a more legitimately competitive situation where Sometimes in the past couple years, it's either been, all right, a guy who sucked his whole career is written in pen as the starter on the depth chart, or it's a competition between two guys that would be backups on a lot of other teams to be the starter. It just doesn't, it doesn't feel that way this year.

[Seth]

It's definitely a deeper room. Like, it's like I actually feel okay about the backups right now if the depth chart played out the way that we think it's going to. And that's not been the case the last few years. Text messages 713-57246 and we're getting a lot of texts on the Astros and that Jaylen Brown trade. We'll just, as long as we're on football here, a couple football texts. I think the Jags are more likely to win nine or 10 games than winning 13 again. Yeah, I'm with you. They're not winning 13 games again. They just, they, they, they got worse, in my opinion this offseason. I don't think they got better.

[David]

And I don't think that. I think they're reading way too much into that second half surge on offense and that they kind of forgot that, hey, we couldn't actually run the ball even though they were passing the ball really well. And that, all right, teams are going to look at you and they figured out exactly what you can and cannot do with Trevor Lawrence. And I don't think people still, I think people still look at Trevor Lawrence as a first read quarterback. Like, like other defenders have said about Trevor Lawrence in the past.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

And that it's. This will be a, this will be a real big test for Liam Cohen this year.

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Refreshers contain caffeine Text message Texans would be I agree with this text message. Texans would be Texans would be fools to start the season with the running back room they have right now. Sign Najee Harris now because Montgomery has not carried a quote full time load and Marks should stay third down and change of pace. He won't cost he being Najee Harris won't cost more than 2 to 3 million. I am with this texter in that if something were to happen to David Montgomery, we're right back to where we were the second half of last season.

[David]

We are. I mean Najee Harris is coming off an Achilles tendon tear so. Right. Which was early last year or am

[Seth]

I don't remember the time it was last year for sure. I when I say I agree with it. Not necessarily Najee Harris part.

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

But I do think a veteran running back in that room.

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

That is trustworthy that you know and I don't know what names are out there right now.

[David]

As of March he's been doing straight line sprinting on a treadmill.

[Seth]

Well you do that as a running back sometimes. That's good news.

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

So yeah.

[David]

I whichever. Yeah. Whoever you bring in like honestly though but I would prefer that if they bring in a running back and not be an experiment like Cam Akers coming off of his second torn Achilles.

[Guest or Contributor]

Sure.

[David]

Nick Chubb coming still still recovering from his injury from a couple years ago but then also just an older running back that I I'd like to have somebody a little bit more juice there and then maybe it ends up being a trade for a younger player instead of. Instead of an aging guy with one Achilles tendon.

[Additional Contributor]

Yep.

[Seth]

Last one here is from Ocho. Sean, I feel good about the Texans now, but I'd feel better if I knew CJ Stroud could be one of the few quarterbacks to overcome shell shock. Shell shock. Like it's a disease.

[David]

One of the few quarterbacks that overcome shell shock. The boy. You know, there's various quarterbacks that have thrown multiple interceptions and bad playoff losses. You know, Tom Brady. I think Tom Brady's career high is four. Or maybe he only had three. He had three and one battle.

[Seth]

He had three in a game they won.

[David]

I remember in a game they won. Peyton Manning is probably the best example of a guy that. I mean, for the first half of the. His career, he was viewed as a guy who was awesome in the regular season and sucked in the playoffs.

[Seth]

Yeah, he. Yeah, early. Peyton Manning was worse than what the body of work CJ's put out there.

[David]

He threw four interceptions in a game, in a playoff loss, in the AFC Championship game in New England one year.

[Seth]

Yep.

[David]

But he had better regular seasons to kind of offset that. But there was a. There was a perception that Peyton Manning just sucked in the choker.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah, I know. Like, where. To me, like, CJ's had good games in the playoffs and didn't look like it was the spotlight or the limelight or anything else like that that was affecting me or anything. It's just this last year was. Was ridiculously weird and bad.

[Seth]

Yep. All right, shifting gears, you. You mentioned earlier, Joe Espada. I did not see this video or audio from the game last night. We didn't get it in our email this morning, but I guess he had said, Seth, that in defense of imai, because IMAI was awful last night. Gave up five hits, four walks, two home runs in less than two innings. That he'd been. He'd been good his last few.

[David]

His last few games. Yeah. And I was like, few games? No, no, it was three games ago that he lasted two thirds of an inning. Yeah.

[Seth]

I guess the spot has got a different. Different definition of few than maybe most people do. And that's. That's kind of on brand for a spot. I think a sprout a spot. A definitely skews way more to the side of being nice, being not hard on the guys, at least not publicly in the media. You know, I'll give him the. I will. I will leave open the possibility. Kind of like we hear about d' Amico where d' Amico is a certain way publicly. But then, you know, he's. He's hard on guys privately. Maybe a spot is that way. Um, so I saw this video clip of Will Clark yesterday. Will Clark, former all star first baseman, noted Bitterman. He is very, get off my lawn, old school baseball guy. Okay, so Will Clark, the question came up on his podcast, like, hey, you know, do you think you could manage or do you want to manage? And Will Clark lays out why he couldn't be a manager. And I got thinking. I'm like, huh, do the Astros maybe need some of this? Like, what Will Clark's bringing to the table?

[Guest or Contributor]

Hate to say it, but I said it in my jersey retirement speech. You were right there. It's a participation trophy game now, you know, so you think you're.

[Seth]

We're making it too easy for the players.

[Guest or Contributor]

Oh, hell yeah. You're making it too easy for sure.

[Seth]

Too much coddling going on.

[Guest or Contributor]

Oh, and that's why people have asked me why I don't get into coaching and why I don't get into managing and all that. I am not going to pat you on the back and tell you you're doing a good job when you're hitting.220 and you track out a hundred times, all right, you actually suck. All right? I'm gonna tell you you suck. I'm gonna tell you to make a adjustment. And if you don't make an adjustment, you're going into minor leagues and somebody else is gonna take your spot. Sorry. That's the way the game goes. This is a big boy game. It's not a little boy game. And you have to have thick skin. You don't have thick skin. Get out the way, because I'm gonna steamroll you.

[Seth]

I want at least one season of Will Clark as the Astros manager.

[David]

I love, like, Will Clark, though. I feel like. I feel like his perception of what managers used to be like is still way more extreme than, like, the most extreme of. The most extreme of managers that used to operate. Yeah, things have gotten kinder and gentler over the years. I will. Yeah, I'll definitely concede that. But I feel like Will Clark might have been. He might have been labeled, like, kind of a. Kind of an a hole manager in any. In any era. If he were to just put his full board. Personality, personality, I will steamroll you 220.

[Seth]

I'm going to tell you, you suck. I'm like, you know what? We may need a couple months of this guy. You know, if you end up firing A spot in August. Let's just experiment with Will Clark coming in and telling everybody except Jordan Alvarez that they suck. You know, I'm going to tell you, Will Clark is funny, man. He is. He's. He's a piece of work.

[David]

Who's the. Who's the grumpiest recent manager? Like Terry Francona?

[Seth]

No, Frank Kona, I think is. Is. I don't think he's grumpy. I mean, I think he's.

[David]

He's gruff at times. He's older. He's not.

[Seth]

Yeah, he's not. He's not. I'm trying to think like, who is the. I'll tell you the one who. When I was early in my radio career, I would go to a lot of Astros games and go to the clubhouse afterwards. You know, I was just, you know, in my formative years, and I wanted to do everything, and so I went. The biggest jerk that I was part of a media scrum with after a game was when the Astros are playing the brewers and the local media, you know, the. The opposing manager typically did their media, like, from the little office they had right there sitting at his desk. Ned Yost was an a hole. He was just. He was just a flat out jerk.

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

If he didn't like the question, he would talk about what a stupid question it was. Like, he was.

[Additional Contributor]

He.

[Seth]

That was so. That was. And I was probably on the other end of one of that. I. The reason I probably feel bitter about it is. The reason I probably feel bitter about that is the same reason. Like when I saw yesterday that Warren Sapp was being investigated over an alleged battery at a senior home in Florida.

[David]

Oh, yeah.

[Seth]

That I was rooting for. When I saw that no charges were brought, I was like, ah, damn. I really wanted him to be charged. Warren Sapp's a big jerk that. You know, I've told that story before at Radio Road. Just like, what a. What a jerk he was.

[David]

No, he's not known for having pleasant interactions.

[Seth]

I even asked Chat GPT just to make sure I was. I was going to check myself. Am I being unfair to Warren Sapphire? And I asked ChatGPT, does Warren Sapp have the reputation of being a jerk? And ChatGPT was like, oh, yeah.

[David]

I had one teammate that went to the Raiders while he was there that said, man, I met the first guy who's going to hell. Like, he'll be first in the door.

[Seth]

Like that person.

[David]

He gets swimmed right up to the front.

[Seth]

Yeah, he's a bad person.

[David]

I couldn't believe those are his words, not mine.

[Seth]

Yeah, yeah. No, you're just conveying the story. Yeah, I. Yeah, I just. I couldn't believe that. I couldn't believe they hired him at Colorado, that Dion hired Warren Sapp to be the defensive line coach there. That was. He's not there anymore. He resigned.

[David]

There's a lot of people that are kind of. There's a lot of people that try to, like, they've been. They're jerks in any generation, but those are the people that love to act like, oh, it's only modern society that can't handle me. Like, they would have been the. He would have been the most popular dude in town back in the day, like in the 1950s or something. Ah, no, I think you're just kind of a jerk. Yeah, they had jerks back then, too.

[Seth]

Yep. We. A couple texts are saying, hey, if Jalen Brown went to the Sixers for such an underwhelming package, and if you missed it, Jalen Brown last night sent to the Philadelphia 76ers from the Celtics, Celtics kit Paul George, who's aging and not nearly the player he used to be. And then a bunch of draft picks, couple first couple seconds in future seasons. And so we have some people asking, like, hey, could the Rockets have done that to you? Like, if he went for such an underwhelming package, like, if the Rocket. And there's a couple of people, Seth, wanting to say, well, why didn't. Why didn't we do Kevin Durant and a couple of first round picks for Jay?

[Additional Contributor]

Right.

[David]

Yeah. Because it does seem. Well, this seems like one of those classic scenarios, kind of like with the James Harden trade, where it might have just been. Yeah. A matter of who was. Who was around and available and listening. Because the Celtics just had to do something for whatever reason Brian Winhorse said it was. It's the kind of deal you only do if you're under duress. So I don't know what that duress necessarily is or what, like, what the speculation is on all of that, but. Yeah, I know. Like, what's. What are the. What are the barriers to the Rockets having made that?

[Seth]

Well, I think maybe the Rockets. I mean, all the talk with the Rockets and Jaylen Brown had been.

[Additional Contributor]

They just.

[Seth]

They're just not in on it.

[David]

They weren't interested. Maybe they thought it was going to be a much higher price.

[Seth]

Maybe. Maybe. I mean, he may coach Jaylen Brown, so he's got that intel on what makes Jalen Brown tick. So it might. Yeah, it could have been any number of Things. This is where it's going to get maybe awkward in Philadelphia. This was Jalen Brown, if you remember the day after the Sixers knocked the Celtics out of the playoffs this year. Jalen Brown at his press conference after the elimination game and then the next day on his twitch stream was adamant that Joel Embiid is one of the worst floppers in the NBA.

[Additional Contributor]

I mean, this is my personal opinion on basketball. Some of y' all might disagree, you know what I mean? But argue with your grandma. Flopping has ruined our game. Jordan Bead is a great player. One of the best bigs in basketball history.

[David]

Flops.

[Additional Contributor]

He know it. This ain't. This ain't breaking news. Just saying, you know what I mean? It is what it is. I can clip it up like I said, and post it on these paid accounts that y' all, these bought. Whatever. That's just my opinion.

[Seth]

Yeah. And he's your teammate now.

[David]

Yeah. You're to be frank about it. You got to just got to own that. When you talk to Jalen over your Shirley Temples or whatever, when you first

[Seth]

get together, Embiid seems like. Embiid seems like an easygoing enough guy where he'd be like, nah, I flop.

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

I'm also injured all the time. That's the bigger issue with me, is I'm just not available all the time.

[David]

Some of those flops are actually his design tuck and roll that he uses from getting injured so much.

[Guest or Contributor]

Yep.

[David]

That's what he would tell you.

[Seth]

That's right. That's right. So now you're. Hey, if you're Jalen Brown, now you're benefiting from Embiid being a flop Jalen Brown.

[David]

I was like, I don't need a burner account. I speak my. I speak my truth.

[Seth]

That's true.

[David]

Out in the wide open for everybody to hear.

[Seth]

Yes. We are also being told, Seth, that you guys. This is a text. You guys are underplaying the Eagle Scout thing. Crazy amount of hours.

[David]

Oh, yeah.

[Seth]

An Eagle Scout. Yeah.

[David]

Yeah, I did we underplay it. We said it was a really big deal.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

What do you want me to do? Go through like a 10 point dissertation about exactly how hard it is to become an Eagle Scout?

[Seth]

Hey, what do you think?

[David]

Listen, listen, little Eagle Scout dude, I appreciate that you put that effort in.

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[David]

Now get to work.

[Seth]

Did you just pat him on the head and call him a little Eagle Scout?

[David]

Some 37 year old want me to give him extra credit for his Eagle Scout? No. At a certain point, you got to move on.

[Seth]

Easy amount of hours.

[David]

Yeah. No, I know. It's a big deal.

[Seth]

Yeah. No, of course. That's why we talked about it. It's. And that's why we gave David Montgomery.

[David]

Hey, Sean, next time we mention any doctor, you know, if we talk about Dr. Lowe again, the surgery that he performed, do you realize on Fred Van Vliet, do we, like. Do you realize how many. How long an orthopedist has to spend as a resident.

[Additional Contributor]

Yeah.

[David]

To become an orthopedist.

[Seth]

What do you think about this as a parenting method?

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

My discipline. Motivation for getting my Eagle Scout was the rule from my parents that I couldn't get my driver's license unless I got my Eagle Scout.

[David]

Oh, I like that. That's good.

[Seth]

Pretty good.

[David]

Good carrot on a stick.

[Seth]

That's a good carrot on a stick. Back in the days when kids actually

[David]

wanted to get dressed when they wanted their driver's license. Yeah. Nowadays, you know, like, why would I expose myself to harm and liability when I could be on my phone in my bedroom?

[Seth]

That might be one of my biggest disconnects between the current generation and our generation. Is that the. It seems like not everybody, but by and large, the younger generation has kind of done a 180 on the desire to get a driver's license.

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

That was a huge deal. Like, we were counting down the days to get it.

[David]

Part of it is that. The part of it, though, too, is that this is a generation that's accustomed to their parents actually wanting them around. Where in our generation, more times than not, I think it was mostly our parents would just wish we'd get the hell away from them.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

It was. You weren't allowed back in the house until. Until dinner time. Like, you were just like, please, please get away from me, you child.

[Guest or Contributor]

That's true.

[David]

And we took our cues from that.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[David]

By the time we were 16, we knew what the deal was. Parents these days are all about like, oh, let me spend as much precious time with you as possible until you have to leave the nest. Etc. Okay. Which is probably the better way to live. Don't get me wrong.

[Seth]

You were definitely more love involved in something like that, if you're a believer.

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[David]

Yeah. I'm not knocking it. Yeah. I'm not going all Will Clark on you.

[Seth]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David]

I'm not acting like our parents. Acting like it was more important to get a martini than to look at your report card was actually a good way to rear your children. Yeah.

[Guest or Contributor]

Yep.

[Seth]

Yep. The. The. The head of the head, Nick Adams, who is. He's he's part of Trump's cabinet. He's the. He's. He's. He's. I think he's in charge of some tour, you know, some aspect of tourism with the country here. He's the one that invited Freddie, the German superfan, to the White House. And so there's a big question after Freddie deleted his Twitter account this week, is he still invited. Nick Adams put out a statement yesterday and it's finally happened where, like, the Freddie thing has now been totally politicized.

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

I arranged a visit to a really pretty statement on Twitter. I arranged a visit to the White House for Freddie, the viral World cup tourist from Germany, to cap off what's been an epic FIFA World cup visit to the United States. Despite the hateful and angry radical left's vicious attempts to dox Freddie.

[David]

Oh, dear.

[Seth]

Launch personal attacks and intimidate him into submission, ultimately forcing him to delete his social media accounts to protect his peace and safety, the West Wing visit will still take place. I never got the sense that the. The. For lack of a better word, bullying of Freddie or negativity towards Freddie was ever motivated by politics. I always got this impression it was motivated just by people that were a. Jealous. Like me. But I never bullied Freddie. I never interacted with Freddie. I was just admittedly jealous of all the things he got to do, the people that interacted with him. I thought it was more people that were just skeptical that he was more like this commercial mechanism.

[David]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Disguised as a super fan than anything political.

[David]

I don't know. I just. Yeah. So maybe he goes and visits. Yeah.

[Guest or Contributor]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Okay.

[David]

I wonder if he's like. But he hasn't had his face. If he goes to a visit at the White House, he's going to have his picture taken and it'll be publicized all over the place.

[Seth]

I think that. My guess is that would be a condition of him going there.

[David]

Right. Right. Well. Or that. I mean, just. I mean, don't worry. The politician says he's not going to take your picture. Like, you got to be careful about all of that. I don't. I'm. I would put odds on. I think he bails out of this visit just. Just for no other reason than he just doesn't want any publicity at all at this point.

[Seth]

My guess is he said his flight is set for July 23rd. If I had to guess, I. That that was the other reply he was getting yesterday or two days ago. Whenever he said, I'm. I'm here till the 23rd. The day Germany lost people were like, you know, you can move your flight. Don't act like you're stuck here for the next three years.

[David]

But he wanted, nobody wanted, he wanted to keep traveling around and maybe presumably go to some World cup matches or something.

[Seth]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see. All right, Pain and pender gas with you. All right, Big prediction from a a an NFL expert who really likes the Texans this year. How do we feel seeing that these are his other predictions that he's got for the upcoming season. We will go through that exercise coming up Next.

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