We Still Can't Wrap Our Head Around how Soccer Handles the Clock

Summary

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Payne & Pendergast – July 3, 2026

Episode Title: We Still Can't Wrap Our Head Around how Soccer Handles the Clock
Main Theme:
The episode dives into the confusion and frustration American sports fans often experience with soccer's approach to timing, stoppage time, and video review, especially as seen during dramatic recent tournament matches. The hosts and guests compare soccer's system to American sports, discuss the emotional impact on fans and players, and share personal anecdotes and humorous analogies. As always, the conversation is rooted in relatable banter and Houston sports perspectives.

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Episode Structure

[03:02] – Food Bank Radiothon & Friendly Banter

• The show is underway during a special radiothon for the Houston Food Bank, with multiple reminders to text “RADIOTHON26” to donate or bid for dinner with the hosts.
• Seth Payne, and guest hosts Ron and Reginald, engage in playful back-and-forth about auction rivalries for charity dinners.
  • Notable Moment: Clowning on each other for the number and size of bids ("Sean and I are in the VIP room." – Seth, [18:00]).
  • Friendly ribbing about potentially winning bids and one-upmanship for a good cause.

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[05:08] – Setting Up the Soccer Confusion

• Ron describes watching high-level soccer with his 12-year-old son, who is himself interested in podcasting.
  • Ron admits to being a casual, rather than die-hard, soccer fan, but still engaged ("I'm a Carli Lloyd fan. I've watched the women's years through the Olympics, through World Cup…").
• Quick aside about Landon Donovan's famous “sneaky” hair and the tribulations of public figures going through hair restoration treatments.

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[06:23] – The Offsides Problem & The Uncertainty of Goals

• Ron expresses ongoing bafflement about the immediate need to check for "offsides" after every soccer goal.
  • "I don't have a memory of remembering any time a goal is scored that it is, for me, such an immediate pause to look and see. All right, Is this offsides?" – Ron ([06:25])
• Seth echoes the discomfort, drawing parallels to controversial replay reviews in baseball—questioning “spirit of the game” versus letter of the law.
  • "It feels like you're detracting from the spirit of the game." – Seth ([07:36])

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[07:45] – Soccer's Clock Chaos: Portugal vs. Croatia

• The discussion hones in on the recent Portugal vs. Croatia tournament game:
  • Ron: "I'm gonna need somebody to give me what a clock and a time is. All right, you didn't put up... ten minutes of stoppage time, and we're here at a buck 13..."
  • Frustration over lack of clarity about how much time is really left in these moments—Who is determining the clock? Why does stoppage time feel so vague? ([08:15])
  • Seth: "Nobody really knows how much time is left except for the official on the field. Like, how does this... I don't like it whatsoever." ([09:41])
  • Reginald jokes: "Sometimes you [the ref] vibing, you like. I like what we got going. Let's get a little extra of this in." ([08:46])

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[10:11] – Emotions & Goal Celebrations: The VAR Delay

• The hosts articulate that VAR (Video Assistant Referee) and new offside approaches have altered the authentic celebration experience for players and fans:
  • Ron: "It is in any sport…every time a home run is hit, everybody tempers their thoughts and start looking around a little bit. And I feel like that is… happening in soccer."
  • Describes watch parties where some fans celebrate a goal and others hold back, waiting for VAR confirmation ([11:16]–[12:05]).
  • Reginald explains the rule: referees now let plays run before reviewing for offside, aiming not to kill a legitimate goal-scoring chance and acknowledging that these are rare in soccer ([12:09]–[13:22]).
  • Draws a parallel to football: letting a play finish on potential offsides, only to go back after the fact.

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[13:28] – Analogies & Humor: Celebrating Goals is like Waiting for a Pregnancy Test

• Seth humorously compares modern soccer goal celebrations to waiting for the results of a pregnancy test in movies versus real life:
  • "It turned every damn goal into a pregnancy test." – Seth ([13:36])
  • “Have we gotten a sonogram? I feel like we should see.” – Reginald ([14:03])
• Ron and Reginald laugh about how unpredictable Seth’s analogies are, and how FIFA has “robbed us of the movie pregnancy test version of celebrating a goal.” – Seth ([14:29]).

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[14:50] – Frustration & Unfiltered Takes on Officiating

• The hosts talk about the emotional toll of important moments being reversed:
  • Ron: “That's it. That's a moment. They took that off. Like, I would not have recovered.”
  • Describes moments where he'd lose it as a coach, referencing both soccer coaches refusing to return a ball and the infamous Rams-Saints NFL playoff penalty.
  • Seth compares to Olympic wrestling and athletes protesting by refusing to leave the mat ([15:58]).
  • Ron: "I am not accepting it. The hell with that. I am not accepting it." ([16:20])

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[16:31] – Wrapping Up & More Charity Drive Details

• Seth exits to make room for the next guest, but not before reiterating the importance of the day’s charity drive. Reginald shares donation stats and continues to update on auction competitiveness, keeping the show’s signature blend of community involvement and humor.
• Repeated encouragement to donate: "Houston Food bank does an incredible job turning $1 into three meals…" – Seth ([16:41])
• Playful comparison of which dinner auction is getting more bids/“VIP” status ([17:29]–[18:08]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Every damn goal into a pregnancy test." – Seth ([13:36])
• "Nobody really knows how much time is left except for the official on the field." – Seth ([09:41])
• "Every time a goal is scored, I find myself staring at that son of a… that is over there with the flag." – Ron ([13:22])
• "I don't have a memory of remembering any time a goal is scored that it is, for me, such an immediate pause to look and see. All right, Is this offsides?" – Ron ([06:25])
• "You bring up these situations...if I were Sean Payton, I would have walked on to the 50 and I would have just sat there until they changed the call." – Ron ([15:24])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:02] – Radiothon setup and dinner auction banter
• [06:23] – The challenge of celebrating goals with immediate VAR/offside reviews
• [07:45] – Real-time confusion during Portugal vs. Croatia match (stoppage time and drama)
• [09:41] – Seth’s frustration with stoppage time "one person knows the time"
• [11:16] – Fan reactions to VAR and the delayed, tentative nature of goal celebrations
• [13:36] – "Pregnancy test" analogy
• [14:50] – Coaching frustrations, personal stories, and emotional reactions to officiating
• [16:31] – Food Bank drive wrap-up and competitive banter on charity auctions

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

True to Payne & Pendergast’s signature style, the conversation is candid, funny, and full of the relatable frustration experienced by many American sports fans trying to embrace global soccer traditions. The segment strikes a balance between serious sports analysis and lighthearted takes. Throughout, the show’s Houston roots and community focus shine through—using sports as both a lens for cultural discussion and a tool for giving back.

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Transcript

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[Ron]

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[Reginald]

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[Ron]

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[Seth]

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[Ron]

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[Reginald]

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[Ron]

On the drive.

[Reginald]

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[Seth]

Let's be honest about this, though, Ron. Let's not try to sabotage anything late in the day or anything. All right, Is. So you're gonna have a lot of your listeners specifically are going to be all tuned in. And. And I'm sure. And I'm. And I'm sure if you do get the high bid that you're not going to lord it over us for the next year.

[Ron]

Oh, I would.

[Seth]

But I would understand if you did. Yeah.

[Ron]

No, for the kids.

[Seth]

If you do it for the kids.

[Ron]

If that.

[Reginald]

You just.

[Ron]

Just slid that in, I'll just leave some yellow trash bags on your doorstep that have the. The. The winning bid written on the. On the top of it is what I'll do. But. But no, man, jump in there again the easiest way. Text Radio THON 26 to 71777, and you can make a donation there. All right. I listen this. And I said this to you yesterday, and I don't. I don't know if this happens to you too, or you. Seth. I don't. I feel. I do. I feel bad for my oldest son because he has to be there and he has to just take these takes and.

[Reginald]

Oh, he's who. You test your.

[Ron]

Well, he was there yesterday and now. Now I'll be honest. He. He kind of. I think he kind of wants to get into business. He's. He's. He's 12. He's done a couple of podcasts himself.

[Reginald]

Couple. You Said, yeah, a couple of podcast episodes or different podcasts.

[Ron]

Episodes he's created himself in which dad has tried not to take over, but he is. He is created himself. So I think he wants to do this. So he'll go back and forth, but he had to take these takes yesterday. Listen, I. This is not the first time that I have watched soccer at a high level. I Like, I. I'm a Carli Lloyd fan. I've watched the women's years through the Olympics, through World Cup. I. You know, I've watched when. When Landon Donovan tried to sneak that hair past us.

[Reginald]

I've watched Atrocious. It's so bad.

[Ron]

He knows it's bad. He wore a backwards hat during the entire time until the. They did the taping.

[Reginald]

I remember the very first time, like, when he was early on in it and he just had to be in front of us with it. I. I really do feel bad for the folks who are in that process, because you just either have to become a hermit and never be seen during the process, or you just have to, like, you know, let it be known that I'm willing to live with this for a little bit until the hair come back.

[Ron]

Yeah, I mean, you just got. I mean, it. I mean, it looks like a bunch of wind might take it off, but. But just.

[Reginald]

Just one good gust.

[Seth]

So.

[Ron]

I've watched. I've watched soccer. It.

[Reginald]

This is.

[Ron]

I don't have a memory of remembering any time a goal is scored that it is, for me, such an immediate pause to look and see. All right, Is this offsides?

[Seth]

Right?

[Ron]

Like.

[Seth]

Like the video assistance review and like, how. How strictly they're monitoring it and everything. It. Yeah, like, it's. Especially in soccer where the. There's such an emotional outburst when there is a goal that I. It does for, like, because I'm super, super casual. I haven't watched as much soccer as you guys, but I feel like a lot of actual soccer people.

[Ron]

I think we're in the same casual range. Yeah, I think we're in the same.

[Seth]

Well, but it's not just casual soccer people that are wondering, okay, do we have to be this persnickety about the offsides? Right. That to me, it feels like since replay got added to baseball, I am 100% on board with most of it. There's times when there's plays at second base, especially, like when a guy holds the glove against the guy who just slid safely second base, and it just takes his foot a millimeter off the bag. That afterwards where I'm like, all Right.

[Reginald]

This is.

[Seth]

This is too much, man. Like, it feels like you're detracting from the spirit of the game.

[Ron]

Yeah, I just. It's just it. And last night was the worst. That was.

[Seth]

That.

[Reginald]

Are you talking about the Portugal? Croatia.

[Ron]

Croatia. That is. That was a moment, man. I'm sitting first off. I'll be honest. I just felt like a whole bunch of stuff just didn't seem right in that thing. I don't know. Like, I need. And maybe this is the American portion of me, but I'm. I'm gonna need somebody to give me what. What a clock and a time is. All right, you didn't put up. Yeah, you didn't put up there. 10 minutes of stoppage time, and we're. We're here at a buck 13, and I. And I.

[Reginald]

Well, they did stop for a good long time to figure out what the. What's happening.

[Ron]

No, but I'm, you know. But the goal was scored it, like, around, like, 112. The goal was scored like two and a half minutes after the 10 minutes of stoppage time. And I'm just saying. I don't know. I'm not saying that there wasn't still enough time that they calculated, but I, Like, I'm. I'm looking up like. And if I'm Portugal, like, hey, man, what's going on here? Like. Like, who is determining this clock? Is my man over?

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[Ron]

Just over there, like, man, let me. Let me. Let me blow this thing dead when I.

[Reginald]

Sometimes you vibing you like. I like what we got going.

[Seth]

Let's.

[Reginald]

Let's. Let's get a little extra of this in.

[Ron]

So that was weird. And then. And then to me, like, you have a moment, and that goal was like, maybe the moment of the tournament with the time and everybody celebrate. And it's about five minutes of celebration. And then we over here looking at some. Something that, like, I don't even know like what. Like how. That even.

[Seth]

Factors of how stoppage time is. That's the one that. When you're watching soccer. I remember the first time I learned about stoppage time. I can't remember how old I was, but I kind of was. Like, you get to a point where you ask a few questions and none of the explanations are making sense, and you don't want to look like a complete idiot, but the whole time you're like, wait, so nobody. Nobody really knows how much time is left except for the official on the field. Like, how does this. Wait, no.

[Reginald]

What.

[Seth]

How do you operate in this world and soccer people Just feel like, yeah, that's stoppage time. Like, no, I feel like you're. You've been misled. How the hell are you living in a world like this where there's one. One person that knows how much time is left and you've only got a vague notion? I don't. I don't like it whatsoever. Ron, I agree with you on this one. There's only one Ozempic.

[Ron]

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[Ron]

I just. I just like. I find. I think it is in any sport, I think it's a problem and maybe it's just me, but I felt like you said something the other day of like, no, I think soccer fans are not loving it. Yeah, there's something about, you know, Seth, every time a touchdown is scored, everybody, you know, tempers their celebration to go. Start looking at, looking around everything. Every time a home run is hit, everybody tempers their. Their thoughts and start looking around a little bit. And I feel like that is. That is something that is happening in soccer. I told you I was. They were showing the watch parties around the country and half the people have lost it on the goal and the other half are like, hold on. Whoa. Hold on. What? What? And I just think that is that feels like. I don't feel like that has been happening.

[Reginald]

No.

[Ron]

All the other times watching soccer, this is a relative.

[Reginald]

This is a relatively new occurrence because of the way that they've decided to officiate off the offside rule. Because they're like, hey, we're gonna let this play out, and then we'll figure out if it was offside, just in case we get it wrong. Because this. I think I would liken it to. In football, when they blow the whistle dead on, like a. On, you know, an offside, offsides. Funny enough, right? If a. If a defensive end is just coming off the edge, they're like, yeah, let's blow this thing dead. And those kind of stink, because you'll see some quarterbacks be like, damn, I had a shot. Why would you blow that dead? And I think that that is the place that they are coming from with this rule because you. They used to just be like, as soon as they see that flags up, offside is called and this is done. But, you know, on the other side, what that does is if you're wrong in the offside, we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube on. That opportunity is gone. Especially in soccer, where those opportunities are relatively few and far between. So they. They are betting on the idea of giving this team the opportunity to go and score the goal so that we're not taking away an opportunity that we can't, you know, that we can't manufacture again, as opposed to. It's probably better than the circumstance of we're going to celebrate, but then find out that the rul actually applied in a different way every moment, every time.

[Ron]

Every time a goal is scored, I find myself staring at that son of a. That is over there with the flag.

[Seth]

You know what?

[Ron]

It reminds me every time I. That's. Every. Every time a goal is scored, that's what I find myself doing is staring at. Staring. Does he. Is he going to raise that damn flag?

[Seth]

That's like a. Like, you know, when you grow up and you watch movies and everything you. You see like, oh, her positive. Her pregnancy test is positive. Yay. They're having a baby. And then you get into the real world and you're like, well, hold on now we gotta wait. We gotta get this confirmed by a doctor. And then don't tell anybody until after the first trimester, because in reality. Yeah, yeah, it turned every damn goal into a pregnancy test.

[Reginald]

Have we gotten a sonogram? I feel like we should see.

[Ron]

This is the second time today that Seth There you could have given me 200 chances to guess the analogy that he's going to use. And I would have never settled on comparing pregnancy test. Movie, movie, pregnancy.

[Reginald]

Correct. That's right.

[Ron]

To what soccer is with all.

[Seth]

Yeah. FIFA has robbed us of the movie pregnancy test version of celebrating a goal.

[Ron]

Yeah, it is, it is. It is frustrating to me. I couldn't, like, that's it. That, that's a moment. They took that off. Like, I, I would not have recovered. I think I like to understand this is every four years and the importance of this and to know this is over. I would have, I'd have lost.

[Reginald]

You didn't see them boys ball in after the game.

[Ron]

I would not know. I mean, but I would have, I would have been like, you know, red card, lost it. Like, like that coach, that coach, who. I forgot that coach was for Bosnia, who would not give that ball up. That had been me. That man. When that man, that man took that ball, that ball rolled over him and he felt like it was out of bounds off the US he would not give the ball back. And they almost gave him. I think they end up giving him a yellow card.

[Reginald]

Yeah, he got a card.

[Ron]

He got a car. That had been me. I'm telling you. That's why I can't be a coach.

[Reginald]

You bring up these situations.

[Ron]

I can't be a coach because I. If there's a horrific, horrifically.

[Reginald]

Your email. Doka, you're called, you're calling people to

[Ron]

be like, I would. I've always told myself, what was it? The, the, what was that, that, that penalty? It was the Rams and the Saints, I believe. Oh, yeah, that awful. If I were Sean Payton, I would have walked on to the 50 and I would have just sat there until they changed the call. Like, I would walk to wherever the line of scrimmage was and I would sit there with the ball and we're not, we're not moving on.

[Reginald]

Bobby Knight throwing chairs.

[Ron]

I'm just not throwing. No, I'm not. We're not moving on. We're not moving on from the game. We're not doing.

[Seth]

You know what this happens in, in amateur wrestling or like Olympic style wrestling. Sometimes a wrestler get PO'd about a call and he lost and he'll just. I'm sure it probably doesn't happen as much anymore, but a guy will just, he'll just strip his jersey or his singlet like down to the waist and just sit there on the mat, like in protest. Like, you know, this is. I do not accept this rule.

[Ron]

I'm not accepting it. Yeah, that's what I would do. I have. The hell with that. I am not accepting it.

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[Seth]

I do.

[Ron]

We appreciate you jumping in.

[Seth]

I got a clear room for John Harris. You guys got Jen Harris coming on.

[Reginald]

Yes, sir.

[Ron]

That's right. John Harris.

[Seth]

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[Reginald]

Seth, before you go, $1,285 right now. We have crossed that and we are moving towards our stated goal. I think on the site they have it as 40,000.

[Ron]

Yeah. And just as a side note, the drive has 10 bids been made on the drive. The drive dinner and at Oak and Iron and Pain and Pender Gas has three.

[Seth]

Oh, no.

[Reginald]

You want to give those dollar amounts or are you going to stay away

[Seth]

from dinner with Sean and I? Dinner with Sean and I.

[Reginald]

He stayed away from the dollar amounts where y.

[Ron]

Your bid is higher right now, but the volume of 10.

[Seth]

I love that.

[Reginald]

I love that the drive dinner is operating.

[Ron]

It's the bid thing. I did it.

[Seth]

Damn it. You guys are out there scrounging for dollar bills. Sean and I are in the VIP room.

[Reginald]

People are bidding like Ron would bid.

[Ron]

Champagne room.

[Reginald]

Everybody's bidding $1 more in honor of me. Everybody's like, Ron would want me to bid just $1 above what the previous bid was.

[Ron]

Hey, man, don't be cheap like me. Go ahead, do it. Seth, we appreciate you. We'll continue. We'll continue live right here. Sports Radio 610 on the Reggie and Ron Radio Live. Hey, this is Richard Deitch, the host of the sports media podcast.

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