Which Texans Supporting Player on Offense Will Take a Leap in 2026?

Summary

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Payne & Pendergast Podcast Summary

Episode: "Which Texans Supporting Player on Offense Will Take a Leap in 2026?"
Date: July 13, 2026
Hosts: Seth Payne & Sean Pendergast
Producer: Audacy

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Episode Overview

This episode of Payne & Pendergast dives into an essential offseason question for Houston Texans fans: Which non-star, supporting offensive player is primed to take a significant leap in performance in 2026? Seth and Sean analyze the roster's depth, speculate on breakout candidates, and weave in their trademark humor before drifting into an oddly compelling tangent about shockingly dangerous animals.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Prompt: Texans’ Need for Breakout Supporting Players

[01:30-04:48]

• After reflecting on ESPN's recent top-10 positional rankings (where few Texans offensive players received recognition), the hosts address a listener’s question: Which supporting offensive player is positioned to leap into the league's upper tier this season?

  • “They’re going to need some of these supporting players to take a leap here.”
    —Host ([01:52])

• Candidates cited:

  • Ariante Ursary (Left Tackle)
  • Jaden Higgins (Wide Receiver)
  • Jalen Knoll (Wide Receiver)
  • David Montgomery (Running Back)
  • Ed Ingram (Right Guard)
  • Keelin Rutledge (Offensive Line “wildcard”)

• C.J. Stroud is excluded from the discussion ("supporting" players only).

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2. Top Choice: David Montgomery as the “Three-for-One” Upside

[04:48-06:01]

• Sean’s Pick: Running back David Montgomery
  • “This one is very simply and easily David Montgomery, because it’s really like a three-for-one there. That would mean Ariante Ursary and Ed Ingram were also playing really, really well.”
    —Sean ([04:48])
• Rationale: If Montgomery breaks out, it implies significant improvement along the offensive line.
  • “Without an improved offensive line, there’s no way in hell David Montgomery is going to be in the top 10 next year.”
    —Sean ([05:14])
• Seth calls this choice “very efficient,” noting it gives maximum value for the team’s success ([05:19]).

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3. Other Breakout Possibilities and Positional Value

[06:01-07:39]

• Jaden Higgins (WR):

  • If Higgins emerges as a top-25 WR, the offense almost certainly thrived—especially if Nico Collins stays healthy.
    • “If Nico got hurt, Higgins is your number one all of a sudden.” —Host ([05:57])
  • Difficult for a WR2 to draw national accolades:
    • “It’s hard to make the list of top 10 receivers and be the number two guy on your team.” —Sean ([06:01])

• Ariante Ursary (LT):

  • Both hosts agree Ursary has high ceiling; however, at left tackle, “average” isn’t enough:
    • “I need him to be like close to top 10… at worst in the honorable mentions of offensive tackles next year.” —Host ([06:21])
    • “Top 25 just means that he’s you know, average to below average, almost.” —Sean ([06:42])

• On Positional Context:

  • They note discrepancies in expectations for different positions: a top-25 WR is “pretty good,” while a top-25 tackle is just “okay.”

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4. Montgomery vs. the Joe Mixon Example

[07:09-07:58]

• Comparison to Joe Mixon (past Texan):
  • Seth draws a distinction: “I don’t think this is a Joe Mixon situation… Mixon was the 58th best player in the top 100 last summer, running behind the Texans offensive line the year before. I don’t know that Montgomery runs physically… I don’t know he’s got the same juice that Joe Mixon does.”
    ([07:24])
  • Montgomery’s production is colored by offensive line performance, not sheer will.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Montgomery’s Breakout Being a Three-fer:
  “This one is very simply and easily David Montgomery. Because it’s really like a three for one there… Without an improved offensive line, there’s no way in hell David Montgomery is going to be in the top 10 next year.”
  —Sean ([04:48-05:14])

• On Ursary’s Required Leap:
  “I need him to be like close to top 10… at worst case, like in the honorable mentions of offensive tackles next year.”
  —Host ([06:21])

• On WR Breakout Improbability as a #2:
  “It’s hard to make the list of top 10 receivers and be the number two guy on your team.”
  —Sean ([06:01])

• On Spotting Value as a GM:
  “Bang for the buck… I’d be a good GM.”
  —Sean ([05:23-05:25])

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Timestamped Highlights

| Timestamp | Segment | Key Details/Comments | |-------------|--------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------| | 01:30-02:28 | Setting up the supporting cast “leap” debate | Defining “breakout” for non-stars | | 04:48-05:43 | David Montgomery as the prized breakout | Efficiency, OL implication, team impact | | 06:01-06:41 | Breakout WR vs. OL value | Why Higgins/David Montgomery matter differently| | 07:09-07:59 | Joe Mixon vs. Montgomery | Talent vs. context, OL dependency |

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Detour Segment: Power Rankings of Deceptively Dangerous Animals

[09:30-15:45]

After Texans talk, the hosts return to a running joke: ranking animals that seem calm but are anything but.

• Cassowary:

  • Producer Ben plays the “terrifying” cassowary noise ([10:04]).
  • “Sounds like a monster from a science fiction movie.”
    —Host ([10:21])
  • “It can be Conor McGregor, but tougher.”
    —Host ([10:50])
  • “With working limbs, it can kick you harder than Conor McGregor.”
    —Host ([10:57])

• Dolphins:

  • Sean shares a story about the dangers of swimming with dolphins:
    • “Dolphins are hypersexual creatures. They want to hump everything. And they tell you very clearly, listen, don’t pet down below… we don’t want to arouse these things.”
      —Sean ([12:00])
    • “None of them ever hit on me, though, and I felt a little bit left out.”
      —Sean ([13:05])

• Other dangerous “cute” animals: Kangaroos, moose, deer, American bison, seals ("Poncho" the Cabo seal), monkeys as pests in other countries.

• On animal notoriety:

  • “What are the animals in America that people freak out if they see?”
    —Sean ([14:28])
  • “Maybe deer. Deer with the big antlers.”
    —Host ([15:08])
  • “A lot of people that live in the country, it’s like, no, deer are a pain… they’re all over the place.”
    —Sean ([15:45])

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Conclusion & Next Episode Teases

• Set up for the next segment: Texans’ workout with ex-Lions CB Terry Arnold (who’s recently been accused of felonies).
  • “I’m going to tell you, top of the hour, the one thing that annoyed me the most about him in the athletic story… and it has nothing to do with the robberies or the kidnapping.”
    —Host ([16:08])
• Final tease: Justin Verlander Hall of Fame cap debate to follow.

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Quick Takeaways

• David Montgomery is the consensus “leap” candidate; his success signals big picture advancement for the entire offensive line and ground game.
• Ursary and Higgins have high-upside, but expectations and positional context change the interpretation of a “leap.”
• Seth and Sean effortlessly blend X’s and O’s with their signature observations, making for discussion as entertaining as it is informative—even when it veers into the animal kingdom.

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Transcript

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[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

All right, Pain and Pendergast with you. Let's circle back to some Texans talk here. Appreciate everybody's text on the previous segment with the power rankings of animals that look docile and calm, but you don't want to approach in society out there.

[Co-host - Sean]

Sean and I haven't spent the break watching cassowary videos. Yeah, we're not, we're not going to be messing with no cassowary. No, no.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

These are vicious creatures. We'll read some of your texts in a minute. You can text in 713-57246 10. Seth I will credit credit Texans Texans Jacob with this question and I linked the the wrong tweet in the rundown, just FYI. But he was, I'll paraphrase, Texans. Jacob basically said, hey, the Texans have, you know, they've got a marquee receiver. They, you know, they, they've, they've done some good things to build some depth on the offensive side of the ball, but they're going to need, they're Going to need some of these supporting players to take a leap here.

[Co-host - Sean]

And I'm guessing that. I'm guessing he did. Part of this is like because now the ESPN unnamed executives and coaches, the top 10 positions are top 10 players at each position are coming out and then quite a few of these, lo and behold, as they've worked their way over to the offensive side of the ball. Don't feature any Texas.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

None.

[Co-host - Sean]

Interior offensive line, the running back, the offensive tackle.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Dalton Schultz got a few votes.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah. He received votes.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yes or a vote. Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

We're not sure if it was vote or vote.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Right, right. But he wasn't even.

[Co-host - Sean]

At least he was listed. At least I could command f his name.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Got to see his name. Yeah. Got to see his name. Yeah. So far, defensive side of the ball's been pretty good so far. You know, Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter both in the top five.

[Co-host - Sean]

They haven't gotten right. Yeah.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

The Derek Stingley second among cornerbacks, Derek

[Co-host - Sean]

Singley second among cornerbacks. And Kamari Lasseter was first among the honorable mention.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Criminally underrated in my opinion. I think Kamari Lassiter is a top 10 cornerback in the NFL. And yeah, granted he's probably 11th on their list because he's first of the honorable mentions, but still I think he's in the top 10 and I think he's better than some of the guys that are in their top 10. I digress back to the offensive side of the ball. So if you can pick one, he Texans, Jacob listed about. He listed a half dozen guys. One of them was C.J. stroud. Because the question I'm going to ask you, Seth Shroud would be the obvious answer to this because he's the quarterback.

[Co-host - Sean]

Says. He says supporting players.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

So yeah, yeah.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

So I'm going to leave Stroud, but Stroud was on his list so I, you know, so I'm going to leave Stroud out for a second. But of these guys, non quarterbacks that if you could pick one to take the leap to where like lists that you're talking about, Maybe not top 10 but top 20 or 25 at their position, which I don't think any of these guys are right now, maybe necessarily. Yeah, Ursary might be, but whatever. If you could pick one of these guys to be in that position, having taken a leap conversation at the end of this coming season, who would it be out of these guys? Ariante Ursary, left tackle, wide receiver Jaden Higgins, wide receiver Jalen Knoll, running back David Montgomery, right guard Ed Ingram. And I'm gonna throw Keelin Rutledge in there just because I think he's gonna have a role on this offensive line. I don't think we know what it's going to be yet necessarily, but I think he's gonna have a role on this offensive line. Who would it be?

[Co-host - Sean]

This one's too easy. This one is very simply and easily. David Montgomery. Because it's really like a three for one there. That would mean that. That would mean that Ariante Ursary and Ed Ingram were also playing really, really well. And so I wouldn't worry about whether they're top 10 or not. Without an improved offensive line, there's no way in hell David Montgomery is going to be in the top 10 next year.

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[Co-host - Sean]

If the offensive line does improve, there's a. That's how it has to happen.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah. So. So I think that's very efficient of you.

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[Co-host - Sean]

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[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

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[Co-host - Sean]

I think though, if I. If I had to choose one who I think based on youth and what it would have meant for the team.

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[Co-host - Sean]

I think for Jaden Higgins to be. To be on that list next year, then it's only going to happen if the Texans offense was pretty impressive. Yeah. That. That meant that look like. And let's say Nico's healthy and everything and do.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

That's the big thing because he. Because if Nico got hurt. Higgins is your number one all of a sudden.

[Co-host - Sean]

That's true. It's hard to make the. It's hard to make the list of top 10 receivers and be the number two guy on your team.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Well, but I would even say like just being in the article on there like getting votes, you know, like I. Like none of these guys would get votes right now for. For any of this.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

You know, just.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah. He just wants them to be in the top 20 to 25.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Right. Right.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah. Jaden Higgins and Ariante Ursula, my two

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Irishry is the first one that came to mind for me. I almost though with Ursary would be like, I. But I need him to be like close to top 10. Like I need him to be like at the. At worst case, like in the honorable mentions of offensive tackles next year.

[Co-host - Sean]

That's true. I put Ariante Ursula as. I think he's got the potential to be a really good left tackle.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

So it would almost be a little bit of. Okay, top 25 just means that he's you know, average to below average, almost.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah, no, it's a good point. It's because you're right, my question is a little bit flawed because if Higgins is In the top 25 wide receiver conversation, that's a different thing altogether because you play three of them at the same time.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

You only play one left tackle out there, you know.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah, but they would. If you're, if you're saying left tackle or offensive tackle, then that opens it up to.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

That's true.

[Co-host - Sean]

64 starting offensive tackle.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

I like your Montgomery thought, though. I like your Montgomery thought a lot on that. You know, if he's floating around there, it means he had a pretty damn good season. And I don't think this is a, this is no disrespect to David Montgomery. I don't think this is a Joe Mixon situation where I think Joe Mixon almost on sheer will and his own skill set was able to get into that. I mean, he was, Joe Mixon was the 58th best player in the top 100 last summer, running behind the Texans offensive line the year before. Yeah, I don't know that Monka Montgomery runs physically. I don't know. He's got the same juice that Joe Mixon does.

[Co-host - Sean]

Right. So. And we saw that he's going to

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

need help from his line to do that.

[Co-host - Sean]

Right. The Lions offensive line was not as typically stout as they had been last year and that was one of the things that led to just a little bit of a drop off for him, I think. And that's what you hope. You hope it was more of the offensive line than him aging or anything like that.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yes.

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[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Okay, text weighing in. Now. Someone said that. Ben, do you have that. That, that noise?

[Co-host - Sean]

Cassowary.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

A cassowary. Now for those. I had never heard of a cassowary before. You and I went through the power rankings of animals that look.

[Co-host - Sean]

Look like they might be able to pet them. Yeah, but don't.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

But don't. They're really violent because cassowary look like turkey. And I don't know, you'd walk up to a wild turkey, but they don't necessarily look like they would harm you.

[Co-host - Sean]

They look enough like an ostrich to me. And I know that you got to be careful with ostriches. You know, the ones at the petting zoos are all cool and everything, but ostriches can get pretty nasty.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

And they're big. Yes. And apparently cassowaries make a noise that is terrifying. Ben Gary, our producer, has found the noise. Here's what a cassowary sounds like. Dude. It's. I mean, sounds like a monster from.

[Co-host - Sean]

Sounds like a dinosaur. It sounds like a movie dinosaur. They've used that. I bet they use that sound in science fiction movies for. To replicate.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Okay.

[Co-host - Sean]

Alien dinosaurs.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

If you didn't, if you, like me, didn't know what a cassowary was, there's

[Co-host - Sean]

no way I would think it was a bird.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

There's no way.

[Co-host - Sean]

I think it was based on that.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Based on that noise.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

I didn't know what it was. Someone said it looks like a wild turkey, but then it stands up and it's got sharp claws and it can kick you.

[Co-host - Sean]

It's six foot tall.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

It's six foot tall.

[Co-host - Sean]

It can be six foot 170.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

It's. It's. So it can be Conor McGregor. Yeah, but tougher.

[Co-host - Sean]

Look at how scary he is.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

With working limbs, it can kick you harder than Conor McGregor. So imagine a wild turkey all of a sudden standing up with this vicious look on its face and making this noise. Sounds like A science fiction movie.

[Co-host - Sean]

Let's screw that. Screw that.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

No, no. And that's that whole damn continent and all of the Australia and New guinea and New Zealand down there. There's too many scary creatures.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host - Sean]

And I didn't. Yeah. I didn't even really put cassowary on the one that's. I tend to worry about the spiders and everything down there.

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[Co-host - Sean]

This thing's a beast.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

It's a beast. Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

And it kicks. You like it show you guys. You watch videos of him, like, doing it. Honestly, I'll go, like, successfully pulling off those kicks that Conor McGregor was trying to pull off, but with more power and ferocity.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Someone said dolphins need to be on the list. You pointed that out at the very end.

[Co-host - Sean]

Dolphins. Okay, so this is. This is what will drive you crazy. Sean. One time in my life, I swam with the dolphins. It was awesome. Loved it. But they have to be very careful, and they select for the dolphins that do well around people.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

Dolphins are hypersexual creatures. They want to hump everything. And they tell you very clearly, listen, don't pet down below, like, a certain portion of its torso, because we don't want to arouse these things. Yeah, but when you go swimming with the dolphins, half the people there are still drunk from the night before, or they started drinking rum drinks on the boat ride over to the dolphin place.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Treat those instructions like a hungover person treats the airline instructions.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah. So there's this group of women, and they weren't even doing it, like, in a scandal. They just weren't paying attention. They were not listening to the people. And I'm watching them pet these dolphins, and I'm like, this. This thing's about to turn into a Ron Jeremy film. I got to get the hell out of here. I got. I'm staying the hell away from that dolphin there. No, I did the thing where they push you through the water and everything. Like, they. They put their noses on. They put their nose on your foot and push you through the water, and you, like, rise up out of it like a Viking ship.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

And this is when I weighed 310 pounds, you know?

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

They were able to do that. Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

Crazy.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Okay, so they're strong creatures.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah. None of them ever hit on me, though, and I felt a little bit

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

left out, especially when they're that horny all the time.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah. The guy won't shut up about how horny these things are. And meanwhile, I don't even get a wink out of one.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Didn't want you. You were the ugly chick at the bar, man.

[Co-host - Sean]

That's why I lost all the weight. When I was done, dolphins wouldn't hit on me. I don't want to be ignored the next time I go swim with the dolphins.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Apparently, there's a seal in Cabo that'll follow boats all the way to the marina for food. He's attacked a few beachgoers this year. They named him Poncho. Yeah, Poncho the seal in Cabo, apparently. Evidently.

[Co-host - Sean]

I mean, really, any animal, any wild animal, they all look cute.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

I mean, for the most part, but you just know some of them look. Some of them look more approachable than. Than. Than you should look at them.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Someone said kangaroos should be on the list. You don't see a lot of kangaroos just out and about, though.

[Co-host - Sean]

You know, I rarely see one in the U.S. yeah. Yeah. Just driving down the road, trying to

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

remember the last time.

[Co-host - Sean]

The last time I had to yell at my family, hey, get away from that kangaroo. When we're at a rest area.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[Co-host - Sean]

Well, no, but kangaroos are like one of those things where, like, what are the animals? Okay. If you go to. You go to certain countries and, like, people are. People look at monkeys like they're just a nuisance or a pest, you know? Whereas us, we look at monkeys, it's like, oh, my gosh, holy crap, I saw a monkey.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

And likewise with kangaroos in Australia, they're like, yeah, it's a fricking kangaroo. They're annoying. We see a kangaroo and we flip out.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

So what are the animals in America that people freak out if they see? Like. Like, oh, my gosh, I can't see. Like, I can't believe I saw a deer.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Tell you, I'll give you one now. The damn cassowary after hearing that damn noise that it makes.

[Co-host - Sean]

No, no, no. I'm saying an animal. That's an American animal that, like, people from other countries would say, like, oh, my gosh. Wow. The exotic, whatever. Oh, exotic Wild Turkey.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah, probably. I'm probably the. Like, the bison that. That. That threw that guy up in the air.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

You know, moose.

[Co-host - Sean]

But see, bison are still kind of exceptions for most of us in the U.S. yeah. Because they're not out there. A moose for sure.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Like, maybe deer. Deer.

[Co-host - Sean]

So deer.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Like deer with the big antlers, you

[Co-host - Sean]

know, and then a lot of it. Well, deer. Even people that live in certain areas, like, if you live in a city or in some suburbs where there's no deer at all.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

They go Out. I know when people come out to the country, they're like, oh, my gosh, look at all these deer. Meanwhile, if you live in the country, you're like, yeah, no freaking deer. I can't keep them away from my garden.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Can I just tell you, right, the neighborhood our Airbnb was in in Montana. Yeah, the. It was, you know, the houses are pretty spread out. The, you know, the, they were pretty spread out, but they all had nice front yards. There were deer every day. Just deer grazing in the front yards like they were cows. Not even scared of people. Like, it was like they were.

[Co-host - Sean]

No, no, I know. Yeah. Yeah. So that's like, see, that's notable to you. Where a lot of people that live in the country, it's like, no, deer are pain in the. That's a good one. They're all over the place.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Co-host - Sean]

I think there, there's moose in Asia, I think.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Okay.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

Yeah, but they're so.

[Co-host - Sean]

Yeah, but somebody from like, somebody that lives in like down near the equator, if they go up into Maine and they see a moose, yeah, that's a big deal.

[Host - Pain and Pendergast]

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