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John Harris
I've said this a number of times and Ron, it's a, it's a tremendous question because I, I get this question everywhere. I just was in Las Vegas for a couple day vacation and I happened to be sitting at blackjack table and I snuck in between a couple of guys I look at this guy next to me, he's got a Texan's hat on. And I, I was wearing my Texan's hat at that point, and I said, hey, nice hat. And he kind of looked, he, okay. And then he looked at me and he was, oh, oh, of course it went right to number one, C.J. stroud, and then number two, hey, what do you think about the offensive line? And, and look, I, I, I understand it, you know, from the standpoint of it, it, it hasn't worked. We, they've tried to put this thing together, you know, since Nick has been here in 2021, and it, it hasn't gotten to where they've, they've wanted it to. And again, we won't know and we won't even know through the first few games, but I think we'll have a better feeling for it. But I think they've wanted a particular type of attitude in that room, and I think it had to start with the man who leads the room. And I think Cole Popovich is that guy that just isn't going to take anybody's nonsense. And I think it had to start there. And I think with, through his eyes, and I think they were able to find guys that more matched what it is he was comfortable with. You know, the, the quote, unquote, glass eaters, you know, guys that just think about football, rah, rah, rah, you know, all that kind of stuff. And look, it's, it's been talked ad nauseam about, you know, Laramie and Titus and, you know, where those two guys were in, in kind of building the culture of that offensive line room and having it in a particular way. And, and, and I love both of them. I, I loved both Laramie and Titus. I, I, I was a big fan of Laramie, you know, all throughout his career because he's from Lake City, Columbia, which is just outside of Jacksonville, where I had my coaching career. So I knew all about Columbia and, and I knew all about Laramie when he was a young guy. And so I was really excited when he came into the building, you know, But I think we have found out and I think everybody's found out. Wherever Laramie has gone, Laramie is a business of one and okay, but what do we say about the offensive line all the time? Oh, it's five fingers in a glove and use all those cliches and such. So I, I felt like they, they needed albeit. And I said this last year because people were like, well, you trade Laramie Tunsky, you traded Your best offensive lineman, how is your offensive line going to get better? And I was like, yeah, Laramie was the most talented offensive lineman in that group, but there also was not cohesiveness in that group. And that was not just Laramie's fault. It was everybody's fault. It started with Chris Strausser, and it went all the way through the offensive line. And Bobby Sl obviously had a hand in all of that. And so when you draft, when you sign Nick Kayle's offense coordinator and you have Cole Popovich, you at least have some coordination between the two from what they had in New England, good or bad, but they at least have communication that they know how to kind of, you know, deal with things. But they also had to reset that room with guys that. That kind of fed into their mentality a little bit more. And that obviously met the trade of Laramie, the trade of Titus. They bring in Wyatt Tell. They bring in Braden Smith. And I'll tell you this. I saw Braden Smith in a hallway. This is probably a week before OTA started. And I just want to introduce myself. And, you know, I'm seeing him walk the hallway, and I'm like, oh, my God. Like, he's put together like a. Like a redwood. Like, he's tall and long. I was like, man, I can see why Ballard drafted him. I mean, every player that's come from the Colts, you like, go, okay, that's a Ballard draft pick. Because if he hits the height, weight, speed indices, that's going to be a Colts draft pick. Every single guy that's come from the Colts looks like a God's gift to, you know, Gold Gym, and Braden Smith is that guy. So I think they've changed or at least attempted to change the mentality in that room, you know, drafting Tay Ersury. Then when you meet Tay, you get it. I remember talking to him the first time that we had him in a production meeting, and he left the room, and I looked around the room and I said, yeah, that kid's got it. I think he's going to be a good player. Oh, he's a great player. He's going to be a good player. And I think he's on that track. And, you know, I don't want to put great player on Pro Bowler, all that kind of stuff, but I think Tay is going to be the right fit at left tackle going forward. But you said it, Ron. The proof is in pudding. We've got to see this line come together. And I think one of the things that we saw last year and I think everybody pointed it out, and I think in their heart of hearts, if you gave him 100% truth serum, I think they would answer this the same way. I think they've got to get to their five earlier than they did last year. Well, look, way earlier. They got to get locked in. And I'm not saying you hand guys jobs, but I'm. I'm saying that you have got to be able to find what your 5 is going to be going forward a lot earlier so they can get that synergy, so they can play together, so they can play next to each other, so they can work on a communication. They can work on things, you know, without having to communicate. You know, when you talk to, you know, Ed Ingram and he talked about playing with Trent Brown, you know, Ed's like, yeah, Trent made it easy. He's like, we would do things and we didn't even have to say anything at the line of scrimmage. And that's where you have to get to with this particular group. My hope is like yours, Ron, that, yes, this does turn into a much better offensive line, an offensive line that they have been looking for that fits the mentality of the swarm mentality, you know, more than the other groups have. And, you know, we, We. I had cased over on last night. You know, we talked to Kate a few weeks ago, media days, and I asked him that question. Of course, I kind of tried to tiptoe and not make Cade mad, but I'm like, look, Cade, it's talked about how there's a swarm mentality and a defensive side, and, you know, offensively, it's not there yet. And Cade was like, yeah, that burns us. You know, that burns me. I'm really upset with that. I wish that it wasn't that way, but we've got to change that. So I think there's this kind of collective sense that they at least want to have an offensive line and just an offensive philosophy. That is when that defense walks out of the building that has faced the Texans offense, they're like, man, those. Holy crap, man, they beat. They beat us up. They may not be great, but they beat us up. Because if you beat teams up a little bit, it'll get better and better. You start getting a little bit of a reputation. And that's kind of what I would like for this offense. And I think if it can get there, then this offense can do the things that we've talked about since CJ's, you know, taking over as quarterback since 2023. But, Ron, I I would, I would love to be able to tell you, yep, stamp it, lock it in, let's go. But yeah, the proof is in the pudding. But I think, you know, and, and I've heard this, you know a lot about Nick and as it pertains to the offensive line and I, I don't, and I'm not making an excuse for Nick in some sense, but he's gotten pretty much everything else right that you would think eventually he would get it right with the offensive line. And maybe it just took getting a couple guys out of the building. That had a really big impact on that room. Maybe it changes. Maybe you now have got the right pieces. Maybe you're now drafting the right guys. Maybe Ariante Ursary is the right guy to go to Pro Bowls. Maybe Keelan Rutledge is the guy that turns in to the center we've been looking for since Chris Myers. I would bet more on that than I would have what they did, you know, last year, I remember when Laramie was traded. All of us are like, okay, Laramie's traded, but what do we do next? And we kind of went, okay, okay, what's, what's coming next? This year it was, no, no, go get Wyatt Teller, go get Braden Smith. Be aggressive and get Keelan Rutledge, the best interior offensive lineman in this draft. Go get those guys and be aggressive in the way that you do it and really, really flip this thing on its head and hopefully that's where this thing goes. But Ron, you're right. There's, there's really going to be no full on, you know, commitment from the, like. Yes, I stamped this offensive line 100% until we're able to see it, at least starting in training camp and then comes down to keeping guys healthy. I mean, look, how did things change last year? Trent Brown plays in that playoff game at right tackle and Titus can stay at left guard. Does it change things? Do we still have, you know, kind of a rough offensive afternoon because CJ has a tough first half? I, I don't know, but I would probably bet for Trent Brown being in the lineup, that offensive line would have produced a little bit better. Some of the things the Patriots were able to do, they were taking advantage of, you know, what the offensive line looked like at that point. So hopefully things are going to change with this group. But Ron, there are no guarantees. I mean, obviously I, I say that people know that and they'll kind of be looking at it with a little side eye. You know, your parents used to look. Yeah, I Did my homework, and your dad's looking at you with a little side eye. I think that's the way that people will be looking at this offensive line until it's all said and done.
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John Harris
Yeah, I'm with you, John.
Ron
Obviously, like, there is a level of, you know, I guess, cautious optimism that you have to work with with this offensive line. One of the things that I am also using as some level of optimism is the very intentionality, not just with the personalities, but with the intent on how they're doing it. They want to run the football like. And I think that that is befitting because you've not had a run game and it's been necessary to help CJ Stroud. But also just that seems to be where the league is going. The only thing that I have questions about is with how intentional. Intentional. They were about getting guys that are big, physical, imposing, that can move guys off the line of scrimmage. It does make me wonder, are they going to be able to pass block? Because that has not been something that's been great, necessarily.
Reggie
Oh, that. That's my biggest concern is when other teams know they've got to throw the ball. Like, how. How good are they going to be with that? I think it'll be great with play action, and they're going to run the football better. But when other teams know they got it, they got to. They've got to throw the football or they're going to be able to hold up.
John Harris
Yeah, I mean, it's a. It's a tremendous question. And what they. What they ended up doing a lot last year was using Blake as that offensive lineman. 57 is reported eligible. It was funny talking to him about that a few weeks back in our media days about, do you ever forget? And he's like, yeah, the one time that I got called for it, I actually did report and the referee forgot. But either way, you know, last year, they would just throw a lot of resources. Six people, sometimes seven people. Well, you can do math. You only have 10, you know, on the field other than a quarterback. And if you're throwing seven at an A defensive line that's only bringing four, but you got to make sure you pick up all the stunts. Well, they've got seven covering your three, and that makes the passing game that much more difficult. So I think, I think two things can make this passing game that much better. I mean, well, actually three. You, you mentioned it, the play action off the run game. If you're running the ball better, you can then have play action. You know, why are you going to buy a play action fake if they can't run the football? I mean, if I was the New England Patriots linebackers, The second that C.J. strout stuck the ball out like he was either going to hand it or run play action, I'm not buying that, you know, splay. And they weren't, they weren't buying that. They, they news.
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John Harris
All right, well, we just can sit here because our front is going to win. And even if we're a step late to the football in the run game, we're still going to be okay because they're not going to block our front. So, so that, that is going to help. I think like you guys said, the ability to block four with five consistently so you can get five guys out of no routes. And I think third is, and I mentioned this a lot and Mark kind of, you know, jokes about it a little bit, but if you go back and, and look at some of Tom Brady's best games. Super bowl against the Seahawks, Shane Vereen had 11 receptions. Shane Vereen was a running back. In the super bowl against the Falcons, James White, I think set a record with like 14 receptions. James White was a running back. You have two receiving running back, two, two running backs that can catch the football of the backfield. In David Montgomery, Woody Marks, you gotta throw them the ball in space. You know, you can make your job easier on the offensive line by getting the ball out to your guys. Now, that doesn't help you on third nine, but it does help you on second and seven that you can get the ball out there and they could pick up five, six yards and make third and one. And now you're obviously less predictable. So, you know, there's, there's that whole thought of, well, you know what, Stay out of third long, stay out of third long the best you possibly can. And how do you do that? Well, the simple part is run the football makes sense of play action. Throw the ball to your running backs out in the flat. One of the hardest things to do in the NFL now is to make open field tackles. You know, our defense does it well, but not. Not every defense is our defense. So you know what? Put them one on one on a linebacker out in space, put them one on one in a star Nick out in space and see if they can beat them and, and do something with it. Early in the year when, when they had Nick chubb as basically 1A and Woody 1B, they did throw the ball to Woody out of the backfield a little bit. Then when it reversed and, and, And Woody became the lead back, they stopped doing that as much. I think David Montgomery coming in, opens up and unlocks the Woody Marks box out of the, out of the, out of the backfield. And that in turn helps the offensive line that much more. So I think if you put all those together and obviously the offensive line, hey, look, if you guys want to pass protect a little bit easier, run the ball better, and, and vice versa, pass protect so you can open yourselves up and have more first downs, and then you can run the ball. And look, I think Nick Caylee's offensive coordinator is obviously a lot on his plate. You know, play calling the play, mix tempo, all that kind of stuff. But, you know, throwing the ball first down, you know, keeping teams off balance, you know, trying to catch them, going a little up tempo, catching them in nickel. You know, when you have 12 personnel that you can run out of, you know, get after getting a first down, you're doing some of those kind of things. I think he'll learn doing that as a second year. OC is gonna be very, very helpful. But look, a lot of this, you know, protection stuff, throwing the ball of the. The backs not holding the ball, we all come back to number seven. We all come back to CJ and if CJ can kind of manage and be the maestro and all of that, I think his confidence grows. And look, CJ is like every other quarterback, you know, he doesn't want to just get up there and, you know, call the play and execute the play. You know, he wants to be in control. I was asked that question yesterday. He wants to be in control at the line of scrimmage and control things. And that dude is. Is really football smart. His football IQ is really good. I mean, that touchdown to Jaden Higgins against the Chargers, that was a C.J. stroud adjustment that they discussed during the week, like, weeks leading up to that. They didn't know it was going to play its play, play its way out with Higgins on the post on the first drive of the game. But that was something C.J. suggested during the week, Nick Haley said, yeah, let's do it. We never throw that route and then it comes open against the Chargers. So CJ Knows what he's doing back there, but he's got to settle in. He's got to have some time. If you give CJ a running game and the offensive line is able to run the ball, they'll pass, protect better. That gets everybody else involved in the passing game. You don't have to bring Blake Fisher in the game as a sixth offensive lineman and hopefully everything can kind of click at that point. But those things have to happen. And first and foremost, the guys that you've brought in have got to play at that level and they've got to stay healthy to play at that level. Because if that doesn't happen, then you're back to square one right where you were in that Patriots playoff game.
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Date: July 3, 2026
Guests: John Harris (Texans Sideline Reporter)
In this episode, the core topic is whether Texans fans should feel genuinely optimistic about the latest rebuild of the Houston Texans' offensive line. Amid well-earned skepticism and “offensive line PTSD,” John Harris joins hosts Reggie and Ron to give an insider's analysis of what’s changed this offseason—focusing on coaching, personnel, culture, and on-field intent. The conversation is frank, detailed, and peppered with stories, technical breakdowns, and a dose of cautious optimism.
[03:48] Reggie: Opens by voicing the lingering skepticism among Texans fans. Despite big investments, the O-line has not gelled for years:
“I am one that has some PTSD when it comes to the offensive line... it's not like they haven't tried... it's not to where they want it to be. This feels like it may be the best thing they've put together. But why should we feel excited or better about this?”
[04:53] John Harris:
“Wherever Laramie [Tunsil] has gone, Laramie is a business of one... what do we say about the offensive line all the time? Five fingers in a glove...”
“You've got to be able to find what your five is going to be way earlier so they can get that synergy, so they can play together, so they can work on communication...”
“When that defense walks out of the building that has faced the Texans offense, they're like, 'Man… they beat us up. They may not be great, but they beat us up.'”
“I would love to be able to tell you, yep, stamp it, lock it in, let's go. But yeah, the proof is in the pudding.”
“This year, it was: go get Wyatt Teller, go get Braden Smith, be aggressive, get Keelan Rutledge... flip this thing on its head and hopefully that's where this thing goes.”
[14:16] Ron: Wonders if the new emphasis on big, physical road graders will compromise pass protection.
[14:55] Reggie:
“My biggest concern is, when other teams know they've got to throw the ball... are they going to be able to hold up?”
[15:15] John Harris:
“...They would just throw a lot of resources. Six people, sometimes seven people. Well, you can do math... that makes the passing game that much more difficult.”
“CJ is like every other quarterback... he wants to be in control at the line of scrimmage... his football IQ is really good.”
[16:27+] John Harris:
“If you give CJ a running game and the offensive line is able to run the ball, they'll pass-protect better. That gets everybody else involved in the passing game.”
“The guys that you’ve brought in have got to play at that level... and they've got to stay healthy to play at that level. Because if that doesn't happen, then you're back to square one right where you were in that Patriots playoff game.”
John Harris [04:53]:
“Laramie was the most talented offensive lineman in that group, but there also was not cohesiveness in that group. And that was not just Laramie's fault. It was everybody's fault.”
John Harris [07:00]:
“They needed to… reset that room with guys that fed into their mentality a little bit more… glass eaters.”
Ron [14:16]:
“There is a level of, I guess, cautious optimism... What I am also using as optimism is the very intentionality, not just with the personalities, but with the intent.”
John Harris [16:27]:
“A lot of this... protection stuff... we all come back to CJ and if CJ can kind of manage and be the maestro and all of that, I think his confidence grows.”
The discussion is candid yet optimistic—no sugarcoating, but a sense that there’s finally a genuine plan and internal cohesion around personnel, coaching, and approach. The tone is hopeful but grounded: fans shouldn’t “stamp it in” yet, but there’s finally reason for belief based in substance, attitude changes, and strategic overhaul—not just names on paper.
Summary Prepared for Listeners Seeking Substance & Insight on the 2026 Houston Texans Offensive Line Overhaul