PBD Podcast #737 — Alex Jones: Epstein Files, Bondi Hearing & El Paso Shutdown (Feb 12, 2026)
Host: Patrick Bet-David (PBD Podcast)
Guest: Alex Jones
Episode Focus: Unfiltered analysis on the latest developments in the Epstein case, scrutiny of Pam Bondi's recent congressional hearing, the El Paso airport situation, the Tyler Robinson verdict, and personal updates from Alex Jones on Infowars and legal battles.
Overview
This wide-ranging episode features Alex Jones in conversation with Patrick Bet-David and the PBD team, digging deep into high-profile controversies at the intersection of politics, media, and law. The key focus is on the Epstein files, new revelations from recent hearings (notably involving Pam Bondi), and the broader political ramifications for Trump and his administration. Alex also gives a behind-the-scenes look at his ongoing legal battles and the campaign to deplatform him.
Key Topics & Discussion Points
1. Opening & Context Setting (00:01–01:54)
- Unique start: Host remarks humorously on taking a shot of olive oil for laryngitis with Alex.
- They revisit a clip from Alex and PBD’s first podcast together (2018), setting a reflective tone.
Memorable moment:
“Patriot. Patriot. Vampire. Nationalist. Mental. Retard. Eugenicist…”
—Alex Jones [01:28]
2. Deep Dive: The Epstein Files & Pam Bondi's Hearing (01:54–30:22)
Epstein Investigation, Files, & Democratic Party Links (01:54–11:56)
- Alex details his decades-long reporting on elite abuse and pedophile rings.
- Cites historical cases: Franklin Cover-up, Penn State, Bush Sr. and the CIA connection.
- Asserts most abuse is linked to Democrat power-brokers, names Bill Gates, leftist billionaires.
- Discusses complexity and obfuscation tactics around the files.
Notable quote:
“Pam Bondi is not even a bad person, but the DOJ has handled this horribly… They’ve taken something where it's, the Democrats are known for sexualizing children... Now they've somehow turned it around where the Republican Party is the pedophile protection party.”
—Alex Jones [02:36–03:42]
Epstein’s Deep State Ties & Background (05:44–11:56)
- Jones outlines Epstein’s early CIA/OSS connections via Bill Barr’s father, Donald Barr.
- Details the formation of CIA airline operations and early 90s Somali refugee programs as cover.
- Claims Epstein was David Rockefeller’s “representative” on the Trilateral Commission, a precursor to the WEF.
Notable quote:
“Here is a 30-year-old man that is literally given the control to fly around the world and be the representative of David Rockefeller.”
—Alex Jones [11:56]
Ritual Abuse, Secret Societies & Media Whitewashes (11:56–19:32)
- Elaborates on cultic, satanic abuse by the elite, referencing first-hand sources (Ted Gunderson, John DeCamp).
- “Satanism,” “black magic,” secret societies, trauma-based mind control discussed.
- Suggests major details are withheld—murders, occult rituals, systematic cover-up at Zorro Ranch.
Notable quote:
“It's far worse than 14-year-old girls. They just focus on them... I’m not against these women. They are victims... but almost all of them... recruiting other young girls...”
—Alex Jones [16:25]
DOJ, Media Manipulation, and Congressional Inaction (19:32–30:22)
- Bondi’s risk: refusing to interview victims/witnesses leads to a “limited hangout;” appears complicit in cover-up.
- DOJ allegedly monitoring which Epstein files members of Congress are searching.
- Narrative control: Democrats focus on scapegoats, protecting their allies in the files; Republicans fail to seize moral high ground.
Memorable quote:
“The Democrats have had the file, they're going to twist it... It's all a giant smokescreen of garbage and fake AI and the rest of it.”
—Alex Jones [22:10]
3. Trump, Political Fallout & Strategic Advice (30:22–38:05)
- Bondi, Blanche and others act at Trump's direction—his belief: releasing files could crash stock markets.
- Alex’s position: Trump must lean into full disclosure, not evade (“litmus test for populism”).
- PBD presses on what strategic counsel Jones would give: “Release everything, prosecute real crimes, don’t fall for the entrapment.”
Key exchange:
PBD: “What should they do? Should they release the whole thing?... What is the right move to make here?” [31:12]
Alex: “...People want a rebel that goes after the evil deep state... We cut our teeth exposing the Democrats, the pedophile protection party... This has become a litmus test.” [31:47]
4. Disinformation Campaigns & The Media War (38:05–44:16)
- Flooding of social media with AI deepfakes, weaponized against Trump.
- Mainstream media’s selective focus to dismiss or distort real abuse, shift blame, or cover for Democrats.
- Parallel to “fake” stories like Pizzagate being used to discredit authentic leaks.
Notable quote:
“Somebody's flooding Facebook, X, TikTok with famous footage of trump at beauty pageants and things like that… these are all AI deepfakes.”
—Alex Jones [37:39]
5. DC Inquiries, Congressional Players, and Internal GOP Battles (44:16–52:20)
- Discussion of the Thomas Massie-Bondi exchange: Massie painted as a reasonable, principled figure.
- Jones criticizes Trump’s attacks on GOP allies (Massie, MTG), says it’s “committing political suicide.”
- Speculation on Massie’s potential as a 2028 presidential candidate.
Notable exchange:
“Trump turned them into enemies, made them more popular... I need Trump to succeed, but this is so dumb.”
—Alex Jones [48:14]
6. Broader Political Trends & How the Epstein Story Affects Elections (52:20–56:06)
- With persistent scandal, Trump’s approach is backfiring and damaging at the polls.
- Alex urges mass education on the bipartisan cover-up, continued exposure, and support for anti-establishment figures.
Quote:
“We don’t let Trump define us… We define ourselves by what we stand for, and we are exposing it all.”
—Alex Jones [54:00]
7. Government Secrecy, White House Staff, and the Trump Organization (56:06–62:47)
- Speculation on why Trump’s not firing staffers at the rate he did in his first administration: “He thinks it’s bad publicity to fire people.”
- Discussion of internal White House culture, media management, reluctance to make moves signaling scandal.
Quote:
“I've been told by the White House… he thinks it's bad publicity to fire people. There you go.” —Alex Jones [62:27]
8. El Paso Airport Shutdown & "Discombobulator" Weapons (63:59–72:23)
- Analysis of purported cartel drone threats in El Paso. Reality: military anti-drone/AA defense exercises; possible preparation for border militarization.
- Discussion veers into the existence of exotic military technology, including directed energy and “discombobulator” weapons.
Quote:
“When Trump talks about… We've taken control of matter and time and space... They have a lot of theoretical physics systems...”
—Alex Jones [68:00]
9. Trans Shooter Case, Mass Shootings, & Political Language (72:23–82:05)
- Disturbing viral video from Canadian trans shooter is discussed; Alex frames mental health and hormone treatment as factors, claims “demon possession.”
- Jones discusses patterns among recent mass shooters (trans, non-binary), media terminology ("gun person," "Asian man" euphemism for Pakistani/Muslim males in crime stats).
- PBD and Alex debate the statistics and media narrative.
Quote:
“If you look at the shooter in Minnesota, he's on the same videos with the weapons going, ‘I'm gonna kill him, Satan.’ And it's almost all of them are literally devil worshippers...”
—Alex Jones [74:14]
10. Tyler Robinson/Charlie Kirk Shooting Case (82:05–90:31)
- Alex reviews the details of the murder case of Charlie Kirk, potential accomplices (e.g., Tyler Robinson), and the media/leftist response.
- Expresses skepticism about the investigation's focus and why associates haven’t been charged.
Notable quote:
“They said we’re going to kill him when he comes here… and within minutes they said, see, he’s dead. We told you.”
—Alex Jones [84:09]
11. Candace Owens, Erica Kirk, and Right-Wing Drama (90:31–98:45)
- Candace Owens’ public antagonism toward TPUSA and Erica Kirk, including conspiracy-laden accusations.
- PBD presses on why TPUSA hasn’t sued for defamation. Alex opines Owens has “gone megalomaniac.”
Quote:
“I believe she’s mentally ill and… she wants to destroy tpusa. And… she serialized all this made up crap.”
—Alex Jones [96:00]
12. Alex Jones: Infowars Legal Battle & Censorship (98:45–125:36)
- Full account of the Sandy Hook lawsuits: Jones’s perspective on his default judgments, “show trials,” and the political weaponization of civil claims.
- Discusses financial impact: personal property seizure, bankruptcy machinations, and ongoing appeals.
- Details on attempts to shut Infowars down, with Alex vowing to stay on air via new backup networks.
- Quote:
“They said, the 13th Amendment does not apply to Alex Jones... We own his name, his likeness.” —Alex Jones [118:39]
13. On Media, Free Speech & Regrets (121:14–125:36)
- If he could go back, Jones says he wouldn’t have platformed professors denying Sandy Hook.
- Describes Democratic operatives offering to ‘buy him out’ for $50 million to stop supporting Trump and gun rights.
- Recounts mafia-style mediation:
“I've got you down here for this mediation. I'm going to go talk to your lawyer, and he'll tell you the message.” —Alex Jones [123:27]
14. Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance & 2028 GOP Race (125:36–130:31)
- Patrick Bet-David revisits Alex’s infamous run-in with Rubio (2018), asks if his views on Rubio have changed.
- Alex now sees Rubio as competent, potentially a strong GOP candidate for 2028 but personally prefers J.D. Vance.
- Quote:
“I'd have to say Rubio's got the edge...”
—Alex Jones [129:53]
Standout & Memorable Quotes
- “There's so much over the almost 20 years of investigations about Epstein that's been slurped up.” —Alex Jones [02:36]
- “This is cut and dry... but somehow it's all been turned around against Trump.” —Alex Jones [04:18]
- “It's not just Epstein, it's the people up above him... They have worldviews and world models that we're just animals...” —Alex Jones [13:20]
- “It's hurting Trump really bad. It's hurting America… It lets the Democrats who are the ones that are really guilty, pretend that it's Trump and the Republicans...” —Alex Jones [22:01]
- “I've been told by the White House... he thinks it's bad publicity to fire people.” —Alex Jones [62:27]
- “If you look at the shooter in Minnesota... almost all of them are literally devil worshippers...” —Alex Jones [74:14]
- “We don't let Trump define us. We define ourselves by what we stand for, and we are exposing it all.” —Alex Jones [54:00]
- “They said, the 13th Amendment does not apply to Alex Jones. We own his name, his likeness.” —Alex Jones [118:39]
- “I think she's gone in like a megalomania...” —Alex Jones on Candace Owens [96:02]
- “I'd have to say Rubio's got the edge...” —Alex Jones [129:53]
Notable Timestamps
- [02:36] Bondi hearing & Epstein files
- [05:44] Deep CIA/Epstein connections
- [11:56] Trilateral Commission, Rockefeller, Epstein's real role
- [16:25] Recruitment methods & victimization of young girls
- [22:10] Media/DOJ manipulation, Trump's “tar baby” situation
- [31:47] The advice Alex Jones would give Trump team
- [37:39] AI deepfakes targeting Trump
- [48:14] Trump’s alienation of GOP allies
- [54:00] “We don’t let Trump define us…”
- [62:27] Trump’s policy on firing staff — "bad publicity"
- [68:00] Directed-energy weapon speculation (“discombobulator”)
- [74:14] Trans shooter/mental health segment
- [84:09] Analysis of the Charlie Kirk shooter & response
- [96:00] Alex’s take on Candace Owens’ antagonism toward TPUSA
- [118:39] Legal efforts to “own” Alex Jones & deplatforming
- [129:53] 2028 GOP candidate prediction
Tone & Language
- Candid, combative, and conspiratorial — true to both PBD’s sharp interviewing and Alex Jones’ trademark delivery.
- Jones speaks in dramatic, sometimes hyperbolic terms; PBD pushes for actionable analysis and political implications.
- Interview marked by rich anecdote, “insider” assertions, and multiple calls to action/defense of free speech.
Concluding Moments
- PBD and team celebrate Alex’s birthday with cake and gifts — including “Future Looks Bright” shoes and a “gay frog” plush (referencing an infamous Alex Jones meme).
- Jones plugs his social media: RealAlexJones on X, backup at AJN.live, moving shows to Rumble.
- Final note: Infowars facing likely shutdown, but Jones vows to keep “the message” going.
For listeners unable to tune in, this summary captures the scope, energy, and controversy of the conversation—offering detailed insight into the latest political/media firestorms and Alex Jones’ ongoing public battle.
