Andrew Tate | PBD Podcast | Ep. 721

Summary

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PBD Podcast Ep. 721: Andrew Tate

Date: January 20, 2026
Host: Patrick Bet-David (PBD)
Guests: Andrew Tate, Vinny, Myron, and others
Theme: The Fallout from a Nightclub Incident & the State of Modern Masculinity, Anti-Semitism, Western Society, and the Crisis Facing Young Men

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around Andrew Tate’s recent controversy stemming from a nightclub incident in Miami Beach, where a group, including well-known influencers, was filmed as a Kanye West song with “Heil Hitler” lyrics played. The fallout triggered public outrage and media coverage. The discussion rapidly broadens from defining Tate’s role in the event to deep analysis of Western society, anti-Semitism, the challenges facing young men, the decline of the American dream, and shifting gender dynamics.

The conversation threads together questions of personal responsibility and systemic failure, culture wars, and the generational malaise felt by many. Tate forcefully defends himself, distances himself from anti-Semitism, and opens a wider inquiry into why so many young men are angry, hopeless, and lashing out.

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Key Topics & Insights

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1. Miami Nightclub Incident: What Happened?

Timestamps: 00:28–17:30

• The Incident: Video emerges from a Miami Beach club showing influencers singing a Kanye West “Heil Hitler” song; some perform Nazi salutes.

• Media & Public Outcry: Miami authorities and club owners condemn the incident. Andrew Tate, present at the event, is implicated by association, though he maintains he did not sing, dance, or encourage the behavior.

• Tate’s Defense:

  • Denial of Involvement: "None of which I requested. None. I walk into a nightclub and songs are played. Unfortunately, if anything happens anywhere near me, it gets tied to my name." (03:17, Andrew Tate)
  • Shock Value & Attention Economy: Tate blames the current “dopamine-fried” influencer culture that prizes shock over substance for the song being played.
  • Notable Moment: “If I want to. If they want to crucify me for that, that's up to them... But I really didn't do anything wrong” (13:05, Andrew Tate).

• Host and Cohost Reactions:

  • Patrick Bet-David acknowledges the “guilt by association” reality, but asks if Tate could have avoided the fallout.
  • Vinny points out how even joking or accidental involvement gets amplified because Tate is a lightning rod for controversy.

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2. On Anti-Semitism & Scapegoating

Timestamps: 08:07–15:18; 89:36–100:40

• Tate’s Theory:

  • “Young men are being told that Jews control the system and young men are being screwed by the system... They’re told it’s the Jews, so that’s why they're being anti-Semitic. There was no anti Semitism when a man could afford a house... or felt part of his community.” (07:25–08:36, Andrew Tate)

• Social Alienation as the Root: The group explores how economic disenfranchisement, social isolation, and the collapse of traditional markers of adulthood lead young men to seek scapegoats, with Jews frequently filling that historic role.

• Nuanced Take: Tate distinguishes blaming “the Jews” from realistic personal responsibility: "No Jew is stopping you walking into a gym." (92:31, Andrew Tate)

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3. Responsibility and Association—Who Are Your Friends?

Timestamps: 06:48–11:44, 31:33–32:43

• Tate on Association: Insists it’s unfair to hold him accountable for the actions of others in his company, but admits he’s now more cautious about who he appears with in public/content.

• Not Throwing Friends Under the Bus:

  • “Maybe it's the man code in me... I could sit here and throw [Sneako] under the bus, but it's just not who I am as a person.” (36:23–37:38, Andrew Tate)

• Discussion on Leadership and Influence:

  • PBD and Vinny argue that, like it or not, Tate is the leader of this social group and will be held to a higher standard.
  • “You're the leader of all these guys. They all follow your lead.” (31:33, Patrick Bet-David)
  • Lesson: “Show me your friends, I'll show you your future. You deserve better.” (47:09, Vinny)

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4. Western Society: Safety, Trust, and the American Decline

Timestamps: 47:12–86:00

• Tate’s Disappointment with America:

  • After years of legal battles in Europe, Tate returns expecting a “hero’s welcome,” but finds hostility from US authorities.
  • “It breaks my heart that Florida betrayed me as it has and has only ever betrayed me. What am I supposed to do, but live somewhere else? You wouldn't live in Cali for the same reason I can't live here.” (70:46–71:43, Andrew Tate)
  • At length, Tate discusses feeling unsafe due to decentralized power, overzealous prosecutors, and perpetual scrutiny.

• America vs. Dubai/UAE:

  • “America has really big problems. And for me personally, it's hard to feel safe here.” (62:17–63:06, Andrew Tate)
  • Debate over freedom vs. stability. Tate prefers the security and clear hierarchy in places like UAE.

• Conversation on Democracy/Monarchy: Patrick Bet-David and others debate the pros/cons of American democracy—freedom but chaos—versus more stable, centralized regimes.

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5. Economic Despair & The Young Men Crisis

Timestamps: 89:36–111:41

• Why Young Men Are Lost:

  • Declining affordability of housing, dating/family life, inability to carve out a “normal” adulthood, and the end of upward mobility.
  • Quote: “The social contract in the West… is broken. Young men who do the right thing are not being rewarded for doing the right thing.” (100:41, Andrew Tate)

• Radicalization as the Result:

  • Rising anti-Semitism, socialism, and anger channeled at various scapegoats.
  • “The point I'm trying to make is that young men are angry and anger must be directed somewhere at somebody.” (130:06, Andrew Tate)

• Advice for Young Men:

  • “The only answer I've ever found: become an exceptional person.” (110:59, Andrew Tate)
  • Still, acknowledges systemic issues mean not everyone can pull themselves up—leading to calls for a more inclusive system.

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6. The Gender Divide, Modern Feminism, and the Collapse of Family Structure

Timestamps: 141:06–166:31

• Tate’s Critique of Feminism:

  • “It is feminism that has destroyed the West. And every single problem… comes from feminism.” (144:30, Andrew Tate)
  • Claims feminism is weaponized by powerful men as a tool to atomize society.
  • Argues the solution is a return to complementary male/female roles, strong family structures, and men being "the head of the household"—not in oppression, but as protectors/providers.
  • Compares Western decay to societies with strong patriarchal order (e.g., UAE), which he claims are safer for families/women.

• Crisis of Marriage/Dating:

  • Social media, hypergamy, girls seeking 1% of men, attention economy all play a role in why average men are being “cut out” and women aren’t “settling down.”

• Personal Note:

  • “If you take away [a man's] ability to have family, he's either pissed off or... they’ve managed to completely subdue them with porn, weed, video games, and distractions.” (140:25, Andrew Tate)

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7. Personal Responsibility, Media Smears, & The Overton Window

Timestamps: 182:39–end

• Media Backlash:

  • Tate laments the relentless attempts by media and officials to portray him as evil, misogynistic, or criminal regardless of evidence.
  • Describes the psychological toll, but remains defiant: “They are so vindictive and conniving and smart. They will take this podcast. They will find three seconds. They will put the clip everywhere. … That's why I haven't spoke about this subject. And I'm hoping enough. You know, one of the reasons I made a conscious decision to talk about it today, because I didn't do this haphazardly. … I have shifted the Overton window heavily since I became famous.”

• Key Quote (Re: Social Critique):

  • “I'm not the bad guy here. ... I truly believe that it is my job to protect [the women in my life]. And if it's my job to protect you, I must have some degree of authority… If it's my job to protect you and you're my wife and I say, don't walk alone at night at 4am. Am I oppressive? I'm trying to protect you. That's all I'm trying to do.” (174:17, Andrew Tate)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Anti-Semitism's Roots:
  “If young men could get a girlfriend and buy a house, anti Semitism would disappear.” (123:58, Andrew Tate)

• On the American Dream:
  “If the American dream holds us together, then it's very important the American dream is real and it's not real anymore for many people.” (118:24, Andrew Tate)

• On Modern Western Masculinity:
  “Men are getting completely destroyed. If you talk about any of these ideas, you're a bad guy. I thought we had a men's mental health crisis, guys.” (173:36, Andrew Tate)

• On Systemic Issues:
  “Money is our game, which is the basis of American exceptionalism… We need to at least be able to make or allow most average people to in some way play the game.” (132:30, Andrew Tate)

• On Leadership & Association:
  "You're the leader of all these guys. They all follow your lead." (31:33, Patrick Bet-David)

• On Emotional vs. Logical Governance:
  “Emotional arguments are likely being used to push bad ideas because they have no evidence and no factual basis.” (157:18, Andrew Tate)

• On Cultural Decay:
  “Weaponized virtue is very important. This is my actual problem with Desantis. ... They take big women and they beat the masculinity out of you. You're not allowed to have an opinion.” (167:32, Andrew Tate)

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Key Lessons & Philosophies

• Personal Responsibility—even in adversity—is vital, but systems need to allow average people to win sometimes, or they'll choose radicalism or despair.
• Scapegoating and anti-Semitism are surging due to alienation, not because of ideologies themselves.
• Masculinity and family are under attack through a confluence of economic, cultural, and political forces—many driven by “weaponized feminism.”
• The pace and feedback cycles of social media and influencer culture amplify shock, controversy, and polarization.
• Society needs leaders willing to risk censure and push the Overton Window toward deeper, often uncomfortable conversations.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Nightclub Incident & Fallout: 00:28–17:30
• Anti-Semitism Roots & Blame: 08:07–15:18, 89:36–100:40
• Association and Responsibility: 06:48–11:44, 31:33–32:43
• State of America & Safety/Fear: 47:12–86:00
• Young Men Crisis: 89:36–111:41
• Feminism & Collapse of Family: 141:06–166:31
• Closing Thoughts: Media, Legacy, & Overton Window: 182:39–end

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Tone & Style:
The episode is combative, passionate, and analytical. Tate’s language is provocative and unapologetic, with a sense of crusading against what he sees as societal decline. The hosts push him and each other, but the underlying tone is one of old friends grappling with urgent social questions.

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Memorable Exchange:
Patrick Bet-David: “Who says you can’t play [the game of capitalism]?” (100:40)
Andrew Tate: “They can’t play because the rules are too hard... The social contract in the west... is broken. Young men who do the right thing are not being rewarded for doing the right thing.” (100:41–100:50)

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Conclusion:
This episode serves as both a raw postmortem of a media scandal and a manifesto on the crisis of masculinity, the pitfalls of modern Western society, and the perennial dangers of leaving generations behind.

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Transcript

[Andrew Tate]

30 seconds. Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed I could taste sweet victory. Adam, what's your point?

[Patrick Bet-David]

The future looks bright.

[Andrew Tate]

My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You are one of one.

[Andrew Tate]

My son's right. Camera.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Am I looking here? Okay, fantastic. Folks, this was a last minute announcement, but there was some extracurricular activities going on in Miami. Some songs being played, some text messages, phones blowing up. And I didn't hear what. Yeah. So there was this group of guys that were hanging out playing this song in a city, Miami, where most of the clubs are owned by this community, that the song was bashing that, you know, by Kanye West. And then everybody reacted. A matter of fact, why don't we do this date to just kick it off?

[Andrew Tate]

Sure.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Good to have you back on here.

[Andrew Tate]

I'm glad to be back with you guys.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This looks like the cigar lines from Madrid. It's not. We are. Let's pick a city. We're in right now. We're right now in. We're in Barcelona right now. Nice. Barcelona, Florida. Somewhere in Barcelona, Florida is where we are right now doing this podcast.

[Vinny]

Big difference between Miami and Fort Lauderdale.

[Andrew Tate]

Vinnie.

[Vinny]

Right?

[Myron]

100.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, so why don't we do this, though, on a serious note? So let's. Let's play this clip, Rob. And then tape will just start off with this clip what the news is saying, and we'll come.

[Andrew Tate]

It's on the news.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Oh, it's all over news. You made the news. Channel 7, Miami. So, Rob, if you want to play this clip, go forward.

[Vinny]

People laughing and celebrating Heil Hitler and Adolf Hitler.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I cannot believe we're even seeing this.

[Andrew Tate]

And witness in Miami Beach. A Miami beach nightclub catching heat, accused of celebrating hate with a song about Hitler. Absolute disgust.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Disgusted, horrified.

[Andrew Tate]

City leaders reacting to videos making the rounds on social media featuring the Kanye west song with the lyrics Heil Hitler, over and over again. The same men seen in the club known as controversial influencers are also in a video from a limo. In that one, they're singing and one of them is performing a Nazi salute. Have people in our city celebrating this.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Animals.

[Andrew Tate]

This is obviously not welcome in Miami Beach. It should not be welcome anywhere in the world. And by the way, I spoke to other club operators.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They are not welcome in their club.

[Andrew Tate]

How they got into this club. Open arms. I want to.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I want to know how the videos.

[Andrew Tate]

Are from Saturday night. This one inside the Club Vendome at 743 Washington Avenue. The club releasing a Statement on social media that reads, in part, we want to be unequivocally clear, Vendome and our hospitality group do not condone anti Semitism, hate speech or prejudice of any kind. It goes on to state, we are deeply disturbed by the harm caused by this incident and the circulation of this footage. The Post explains the business is looking into safeguards and procedures to make sure this doesn't happen again. As for the men in the video celebrating the song, the mayor has it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

At the stage time.

[Andrew Tate]

I barely even see me in any of this. Yeah, firstly, but I want to be very careful here because I don't want to deflect too heavily. I don't want to be blaming other people. Etc. A whole bunch of songs were played that night, none of which I requested. None. I walk into a nightclub and songs are played. Unfortunately, if anything happens anywhere near me, it gets tied to my name. If someone got shot in that club, they would have said, andrew Tate's in a nightclub where this man got shot. I didn't shoot him. I didn't pull the trigger. I don't know who the fuck he is. I was there and the song was played. The actual conversation, I think that's interesting to have when it comes to this, is the nature of the Internet and the nature of influencing in general, because I think we're living in a world now where only shock value seems to get anybody's attention for any significant period of time, because everyone's dopamine receptors are completely fried. So all of these young influencers, or anyone on the Internet who's trying to make any name for themselves is trying to be as controversial and shocking as possible as quickly as possible. And that's what a song was played because it gets views. That's why I didn't play it. I didn't ask them to play it. I didn't dance, I didn't sing. In fact, the only time you see me on there is me storming out of the bus saying, this is ridiculous, and leaving. But I know why it was played. It was played because of this. It was played because it gets traction in a world where everybody is bored of everything all of the time. And that's why these young people are encouraged constantly to try and do the most shocking thing possible. You see this. Not just with this song, you see this on all their streams. They're running people over and doing retarded shit constantly. So I'm not here to make excuses for myself. I'm not here to say it wasn't me. I'm not here to, you know, blame someone else, but it is kind of ridiculous. It does feel a bit unfair that I'm standing in a nightclub. A song comes on that I did not request. A song comes on that I do not dance to, I do not repeat them lyrics to. I just stand there. And then they want to attribute somehow the song playing to me and all being my fault.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's a. That's a fair argument. But I'll, you know, to the average person that's watching it. You know, back in the days when I'm younger, I'm in a car with a guy who I get out of the military. It's 2-23-97. The guy's got a bunch of pot in the back of his trunk. Cops come out, and I'm in the army, and my guy's calling me, telling me, hey, you got to figure something out. You can't be involved, something like this. So guilty by association. It's the first thing they're going to say. You hung out with these guys. When I watched a video, Andrew, with you and them, Tristan looks extremely uncomfortable. Okay. And the way you were smiling, because I saw a lot of. Everyone's texting me. You know, you and I communicate. We have conversations together. You looked extremely uncomfortable as well. You're smiling, but you're not. You know already what's going to happen. It was almost a look where I said, tate knows what's about to happen next.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah. The shock value really isn't worth it to me. I mean, I've said some shocking things, and people will believe my brand is built on shock value, but I think they're at least shocking opinions. I like to think that I'm sitting there, there saying, this is my opinion. You may find it shocking, but this is what I truly believe. These are my world views. And perhaps there's a lot of people who agree with me, disagree with me, but to just shock and offend purely for the purpose of shocking and offending. I think that that's something that has plagued the Internet for a while, but it's getting worse and worse, and you notice it across the entire streaming world because people are struggling to get any kind of views or shake people out of apathy. And when I talk to anybody below 25 who's doing anything on the Internet, their only intention is to be as shocking and therefore as offensive as possible. That's what they're sitting there thinking. How do I get everybody to panic within three seconds? Otherwise they're going to scroll past me, and that's what people are doing. That's the world we live in.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Why hang out with them?

[Andrew Tate]

Well, I haven't seen them in a long time. It's the first time I met two of them. It's the first time I met Clav. Clav and Nick. I spoke to them online, but it's the first time I ever met them. I hadn't seen Sneako in a while.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You and Nick have never met each other?

[Andrew Tate]

Never met.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Oh, wow. I didn't know that.

[Andrew Tate]

Never met. Oh, wow.

[Myron]

The Braden. The Braden guy. Clap whatever his name is. He's new.

[Andrew Tate]

First time I ever met them. And I have to be honest, they were nice guys when I met them. You know, it's the first time I've spoken to them. I sat down with them and I don't think they even put the song on. I'm. I. I can't. I have to guess. I think Sneo may have put the song on who I'd met many times before, but it was a long night. It was six or seven hours in which for two minutes of it, someone got a phone and put a song on. Wasn't me. And now it's all over the news. So I just think that the main reason this is being done is because shock value is what people are optimizing for with their content, primarily. And then we can have another conversation entirely about why anti Semitism is on the rise in the first place, because I have a theory about that also. And I think that the main reason anti Semitism is on the rise across America, because there's no doubt about it that it is, is because young men are being told that Jews control the system and young men are being screwed by the system. It doesn't mean it's true. I'm not going to sit here and say that Jews completely and utterly control the system. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is if you tell young men that and they believe that, even if it's not true, and they're getting screwed by the system, that's why people are anti Semitic. There was no anti Semitism when a man could afford a house, and there was no anti Semitism when a man could get a wife. And there's no anti Semitism when he looked around and felt part of his community. But people are so disenfranchised now with the places they're living in and the society they're forced to live within, and they feel so disconnected from everything. They've become revolutionary. Young men of the world are revolutionary. They're looking for somebody to blame. They're told it's the Jews, so that's why they're being anti Semitic. That's the truth about what is happening.

[Myron]

And it's funny though, Andrew, like, what's Nicholas sneak? He's a grown man. I'm going to call him his real name. He's Filipino, Haitian and his father is of Jewish descent. So on top of that, it doesn't make any sense. He's the Jew. And then so you're going to go to a town that's predominantly a lot of Jewish owned businesses. You're technically Jewish too. You're playing that song and then when you get in trouble for it, you're screaming anti Semitism. And it's all, the Jews run everything. And it's ridiculous. And I think in that sense too, Andrew, they use you, which I know you're upset, you have to be. They use you to play that song to be like, look who's with us. And you're right. I saw you, you walked right out and even in nightclub you were kind of like, whatever. But I would be even more livid because coming from a guy that has a Jewish father, brings you in, plays the Hitler song and then you're the only guy that's going to catch real flack for it.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, I think it was. So if I'm going to be optimistic, it was short sighted by them. If I'm going to be pessimistic, it was certainly very. I mean, I wouldn't say they set me up. They should have known that, you know, this is going to cause a whole bunch of flack for me, specifically in.

[Myron]

Miami, in my place, of course.

[Andrew Tate]

But if I'm totally honest with you, I don't think that any of them are deeply anti Semitic, genuinely. And I don't think that any of them really thought it through, honestly. I think they're just kids. I think they're just kids. It gets a reaction. They think they're funny, they're on the Internet, they need a reaction. They want likes and they did some fucking dumb. That's what I think it is. I think they're just literally retarded.

[Myron]

How old is Nicholas if you don't how old.

[Andrew Tate]

I know they're all in their young twenties or something.

[Vinny]

I would love to agree with you, brother, but they're not all kids. By the way, nobody online or in the Jewish community defends you more online or behind the scenes than me.

[Andrew Tate]

I appreciate that, sir. I appreciate that.

[Vinny]

You know, I had dinner with Tristan and of course Justin Wall. Yeah. I got the call. It's Sunday. You ruined my day. At the very least, you ruined my Sunday with my nephew.

[Andrew Tate]

I woke up.

[Vinny]

I feel you. And I get a call from not one person, not everybody.

[Andrew Tate]

Yep.

[Vinny]

Your brother. You're texting me. Justin Waller, the club owners, the dj, everyone. The main attendant. Like the bathroom attendant. I tip him good.

[Myron]

He calls me, who's Cuban, but go ahead.

[Vinny]

But they're not all kids. We know. Myron's almost 40, you're almost 40. Tristan's 35. This ain't kid stuff. So what I think is I actually believe you. You think I'm going to wait for five years of working with you, friendship with you, to throw you under the bus last minute? That's not how we roll. But I think Sneako played the song.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

I think Tristan explicitly told me that Sneako played the song. I think when you sort of diffuse the situation. They're kids being kids. Myron, who? You know how much time we've spent with Myron.

[Andrew Tate]

Yep.

[Vinny]

This. That ain't no kid stuff.

[Andrew Tate]

Well, Myron's not a kid. And he's a really good friend of mine.

[Vinny]

I agree.

[Andrew Tate]

And. And Myron's not a kid. You're right. I don't know if Sneako played the song. Sneako played the song. I'm telling you from my perspective. And I don't want to make it something.

[Vinny]

How do you feel about that? Because. Let me ask you a specific question.

[Andrew Tate]

Sure.

[Vinny]

Do you know how much time I spent with your brother and Justin Waller? And nine o'clock on Sunday. I left at three in the morning. Serious conversations. Laughs. Of course. We're having Blue Label. And Tristan, in my perspective is like, dude, I'm done with these people. That's my perspective. I'll let him speak for himself. But he told me a story about your grandfather.

[Andrew Tate]

Yep.

[Vinny]

Who served in World War II. Yes.

[Andrew Tate]

Yes.

[Vinny]

The American.

[Andrew Tate]

Yep.

[Vinny]

What would your grandfather say about that? A neo Nazi symbol who fought the Nazis.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah. I understand. And we have to be very, very careful. I understand exactly what you're saying. I agree that that is offensive to many people. I totally understand it. And I don't. I'm not here to get myself.

[Vinny]

It's offensive to Americans.

[Andrew Tate]

Well, yes.

[Vinny]

Forget about just Jews. American lives died fighting Nazis.

[Andrew Tate]

That's true. That's true.

[Vinny]

Your grandfather's friends died fighting Nazis. That to me, Jews are not Jews. Americans went to war against Nazis. This is an American thing. I wear an American flag pin. Not an Israeli flag pin, not a global flag. Pin. Certainly not an LGBT flag, American flag pin.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

My grandfather fought in World War II, so to me, this is anti American. And I'm cool with Myron. I used to be cool with Myron. But how am I going to hang out with that? How are you going to hang out with that?

[Andrew Tate]

I've known Myron for a very long time. He's been a great friend of mine. And I have to make this very clear to the world. I have a whole bunch of friends who do a whole bunch of shit that perhaps I would not do myself, or I may not 100% agree with. But that doesn't mean they're not my friends. And I don't. I don't speak to them. I wrote. I have to be honest here, guys. I'm really not trying to do some big apology tour. And the reason for that is because I really didn't do anything wrong. So I want to make this clear. I understand why some people were offended. I understand they want to attach it to my name. I understand that it gets clicks in the media. If you say, Andrew Tate did xyz, I got on a bus, full grown, made men, made decisions while I sat on my phone. I then got off the bus and stood in a nightclub while other people played songs while I sat on my phone. If I want to. If they want to crucify me for that, that's up to them. Myron made the Nazi salute because he thought it was funny. That's Myron to come here and defend. Of course it's not for me to sit here, come here and defend. Myron is someone I know and I respect and I like. Even if he did something that offended me, even if I found that offensive, I would still say, oh, okay, well, I like Myron. I have a whole bunch of friends who do a whole bunch of things that I don't like. I have black friends, white friends. I have every single type of friend you can have. We have the most racist group chat in the world. This is the world I live in. Right. And I think that the reason the anti Semitism issue is so sensitive is one, because of the prevalence, especially online. And I'm not going to lie, I see everywhere myself. I'm not even Jewish. It must be scary to see it absolutely everywhere online. The reason for that, I've just given you my theory as to why that's the first reason. Second thing, of course, is World War II and a lot of people died in the name of defending Jews. Of course, I understand that completely. But then thirdly, And I'd like to have an actual open and honest conversation about this. Don't we think? And I actually want your opinions. The fact that a song came on and the reaction has been so fierce and so not aggressive, but so it's so clear that songs like this can't be played without meeting genuine power in the world. Don't you think to somebody who is completely detached from this situation, somebody at home who has nothing to do with this situation, watches it and sits and goes, ah, see, they are in charge of everything. I'm asking.

[Vinny]

Let me.

[Andrew Tate]

I'm gonna get.

[Vinny]

This is the perfect. By the way, I'm so grateful we're having this conversation because the world needs to see this.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

If this was played in any other city tape, you would not see this reaction. Can I explain something?

[Andrew Tate]

Sure.

[Vinny]

Miami, Miami Beach. They don't play this game, dog. Well, I'm not gonna Mamdani. Miami.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

It's not happening. Yeah. By the way, Steven Miner, the mayor, Joe magazine, David Suarez, you have a Jew and an Italian and a Cuban walk into a nightclub and they say, we don't play this game, homie. We see what's going on in the world and every Jew, every capitalist, every billionaire leaving California, leaving New York, they're like, where can we go? You know how Governor DeSantis said Florida is where woke goes to a good friend of mine, your boy, Florida is where woke goes to die. Well, you know what? Miami is where racism goes to die. And by the way, I'm an equal opportunity employer when it comes to racism. Stand up comedian, former stand up comedian. One day PBD is going to get his shot.

[Patrick Bet-David]

We know about that.

[Vinny]

And I would say this, it's not racist if you make fun of everybody. Anybody can get it. So I'm clear, we got a black guy there, we get an Italian guy there.

[Andrew Tate]

So I'm clear, we got a gay guy there.

[Vinny]

I don't know. Nick Fuentes, gay Mex, whatever it is. But it's only bad when you single out one group.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, of course.

[Vinny]

So that's the challenge you're gonna happen. So all these guys that basically own the clubs, run the city. It's not just Jews, Cubans, Venezuelans, Jamaicans, Haitians. It's one big melting pot, Miami. And the universal truth in Miami is don't bring that BS here. I'll explain why and then I want to hear your perspective. Obviously, Jews have fled. Anti Semitism came to Miami. Half of south of America looking in the boom here fled Communism, socialism comes to Miami Haitians flee corruption, come to Miami. Italians flee fascism, come to Miami. The reason that Miami is that city is because they all know what the rest of the world looks like. That's why you're getting this reaction. Any other city, you're not going to get this. Okay.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think you've lived in a bubble where you think Miami is the only place. Thank God you lived in Addison for a year and couple other places. I think this is bigger than that to me. And by the way, I'd like to go to the next topic. Let's do a couple other things on this and let's move on to the next few topics to get into. I think, Tate, for me it's a different conversation for you because every year when a new year starts, it's about how am I recreating myself for the next level. You know, when I was in my 20s, my buddy promoted a club called Club Jerk in Melrose. And then we used to go to Pimps and Hoes and we used to go to. No, literally, I don't know if you ever heard of Pimps and Hoes, a great name. We used to go. It was literally called Pimps and Hoes in Vegas. I don't know if you want to pull it up or not.

[Andrew Tate]

Human trafficking, they was.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, no, they would put the biggest clubs with 20,000 people show up and LA had a nightclub called Club Naked. You know, you had all these different places to go to and friends that you had that would do different things. And then one day I'm like, I got. I gotta recreate myself and I'm going to the next level.

[Andrew Tate]

I totally understand your point. Nick Fuentes says a lot of things. I agree with. I don't agree with everything he says. I've seen clips of him say things and I found them very funny. I had never met him before. Collabs blown up online. He's doing things. I've seen some clips. I never met him before. I got to Miami for the first time in a long time. They said, guys, let's meet up with. We met up, Sneako came along, we went out, they played a song for me. I understand what you're saying. Like, I need to reinvent myself and.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I have all these charges, of course.

[Andrew Tate]

But I have all these charges and I, you know, I have the potential to have a brand new image and I'm one of the best, most well known people on the planet. If I meet somebody for the first time or I meet people and hang out with them for six or seven hours and the entire thing is filmed and 30 seconds blows up. I understand and I'm really not trying to just pass blame and I'm not trying to make excuses, but truthfully, I don't see what I should have done differently besides say, oh, I've never met you before. You haven't been vetted. I'm never going to meet anybody ever. Or sit in a car and say, sorry, guys, because I'm in this car. We must cut off the Bluetooth. Let me take everybody's phone from them like it is what it is. I understand how these things get attached to my name. It's very inconvenient for me. I have Jewish business partners, I have tech teams in Israel. I have things going on and I get a mess from this crap too. I can argue that I was set up. I can argue that Sneako wasn't thinking. I can argue that they were just trying to chase clicks. I could argue it was malicious or not malicious, but truthfully, from the bottom of my heart, truthfully, I'm not here to beg sorry from anybody. I was in a van and I was in a club. That club, club also played songs about beating the shit out of women and shooting fucking black people. I didn't put any of the songs on. I'm not the dj. And I think actually truthfully, and we have to analyze this from an outside perspective, I'm not saying this as me. I'm saying this from a complete outsider. Everybody understands the scenario I just explained. Everybody's been in a car with people they don't know when someone else has the Bluetooth, everybody has. So everybody can sit and say, well, if he's getting such a hard time over this, obviously some of the conspiracy theories must be true. Like what? What did I do here? If the Jewish community want to come to me and say, andrew, we're going to drive you out of Miami or put a bullet in your head, I'll say, well, then do it because I just sat in a car. I'm really not going to sit here and beg sorry for sitting in a car. I sat in a car. And perhaps, yes, I should be more careful with the company I keep. Correct. I'd never met half of these people ever before. They're some of the most famous people in the world. If you go and meet one of the. Some of the most well known people on the planet and one of them sniffs coke, is it your fault? Are you going to sit and say, I met an actor, he's really famous, he's one of the Biggest guys in the world. And he got photographed sniffing coke. And because you're irrelevant, they say, patrick bet David caught up in drug scandal. What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do? Grab the men by their throat when they get. When they grab a phone to put on a Bluetooth? Like, I totally understand. Some people are offended by it. I get it. And perhaps, maybe I'm just numb. Perhaps I've been through so much in my life that my brain's just numb. Perhaps. But if you were to put on a song, any song, saying, I hate half black loudmouths, I wouldn't give a fuck. But that's the truth. So I'm sorry to anybody who is offended. I'm sorry to anybody who's offended. If I had played the song myself and danced around to it, sure. I was in a car.

[Vinny]

Can I.

[Andrew Tate]

That's. That's my answer.

[Vinny]

Can I. Dude, I don't want an apology. Nobody. I don't even.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I don't. I don't think this is a. No. No. I don't think this is a podcast to bring you on to apologize. Not at all. And by the way, he calls me. You and I are talking. I checked on. I didn't even know you're coming in town. When I message, I'm like, how you doing? I said, I'm just. Because I was messaging the other. Yeah, there's a couple places we communicate with one of them, you don't respond back. I said, is he good? So then I met. Message Matt.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And then I messaged back, suck. No, it's this one. And so I messaged it. Check him to see how you're doing. And you're like, hey, I'm in town. You're in town. I'm in town. And then obviously, our guys are telling me this. No, for me, it's. I look at everybody as a product of what is next for them. What is the next thing they need to do, what is the next thing they ought to consider doing as a iOS, you know, 14. Oh, for Tate. What is that? For Tate? What is Tate? 15. Oh. And you look at a lot of people in the marketplace that totally understand. I think about it.

[Andrew Tate]

This hurts political ambitions for very little gain. Totally understand. It's just whether. Whether I could have stopped this or seen this coming, that's the question. I think I'm not glad this happened. The question is, could I have stopped it? Well, no, because I didn't even know they were doing it. What I could do is when they put it on the car is leave the car.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think. I think you could have stopped it.

[Andrew Tate]

How?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think you could easily stop that.

[Andrew Tate]

How?

[Patrick Bet-David]

First of all, play the clip of when.

[Andrew Tate]

When it comes on the car and I leave the car. What else am I supposed to do?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let me tell you what. I'll tell you. I'll tell you what I would do. For instance, you guys go out. Do you think if you invite me, I'm coming out?

[Andrew Tate]

If I invite you, will you come out?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Do you think if you guys go to a nightclub and the two of you guys invite me, am I coming out?

[Andrew Tate]

You probably not.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Why would I not come out?

[Andrew Tate]

Because I guess you don't enjoy going to nightclubs.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But no, why do you think I wouldn't come out if you invite me to dinner and we're just hanging out? I stayed at your place in Romania till I don't know what time. We were there having a conversation. It was incredible. Conversation. Right.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course, nightclubs are absolute bullshit.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But think about this for a second. So if you were to invite me to go to a certain places, in your mind, you'd probably say, there is no way Pat's going to come out to this, but let's go to dinner with them. No problem. So I control where I go to and I determine my standards of what to do. If he says to me, pat, let's go out, I'm going to bring 10 girls out. Yeah, he's not even going to invite me because he knows I'm not going to go. So you're going to invite me for what? By the way, if I'm going to places that I have my kids with me and I'm doing certain things with family, I'm not inviting this guy out because he may come out and, you know, say certain things. I got a couple boys, I'm trying to raise them in a certain way. I may be like, nah, you're going to cause a little too much mayhem. And I have certain standards to me. I watch all these guys and here's what I like. I had Nick Fuentes on the podcast. I cannot believe you did this at Netanyahu. I was the only podcast that we had Netanyahu and Nick fuentes on within 30 days.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, it was crazy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay. And by the way, when we had Nick on, Shapiro canceled.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Literally a week later, he canceled. He was supposed to be on a podcast two weeks later. And we knew when this was going to happen. I told the team, the only thing for me is I get to choose the standards of where I Go out to, like here. Guess what? This is our club. There is no phones here. I don't like phones here. We talked about it this morning. Some people are here to watch this. There are no phones. It's my standard. So that's the part when I watch you. Like yesterday, I'm at the Miami game with. What do you call it? Indiana. What a freaking game it was. You know, I take Dylan out, but let me tell you why. You ready? Let me tell you why. And I'm going to paint a picture for you. And I think it's going to make sense to him. They're singing the national anthem, and then all of a sudden, they cut out to Trump. The place loses their mind is what it does. Okay. And then comes back out. And then 20 minutes later, they show video with Obama. The entire place.

[Vinny]

Booze.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I don't know if you heard, oh, it was the worst booze. I saw my life when Obama came up there. They're going to play this somewhere. Okay. But then there was one part where they showed Trump on the big screen. And you said, guess who's sitting right next to him? Dana White. And Dana goes like this. He's got a Miami Hurricanes shirt on. You belong in that room.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay. That's where you belong to me. When I watch you with the way you communicate, it's going this way, you know, that's the part. And I, you know, I don't. I watch these guys. I was one of them. I look, even when I had Nick on, I'm like, Listen, he was 18 years old when he said some of this stuff. You got to be held accountable for it. But we have to give a chance for people to recreate themselves. It comes to us. It comes to what? You know, Tate's decision is what to do next. And I know, you know, I'm not here to say what you said about Israel, all this other stuff, because you.

[Andrew Tate]

Didn'T understand the point you're making. Totally. Myron's an amazing friend of mine. Doesn't mean I agree with everything he says and does, but he's an amazing friend of mine. He's rode for me when I got in a lot of trouble. I've known him for a very long time. The other two, I had never met before. Nick, I believe, had never been to a club before.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

If you watch the entire stream, it's a long conversation about me saying I don't want to go to a club. But Nick's never been to a club before.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's Nick's first Literally never been to.

[Andrew Tate]

Nick's first ever time. It's Nick's first ever time in a club. You have to come.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's true.

[Andrew Tate]

So I was like, I don't want to come. And then I ended up going. And clearly it wasn't worth it, but here I am.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

So, you know, I.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's.

[Andrew Tate]

It's an unfortunate circumstance. I truthfully hope everybody who's offended by it can move past it and understand that no one's out here trying to round anyone up and shoot them in the head. There was. I've. I believe, if you ask me why I think that there's some streamers who are so obsessed with getting clicks that they don't think ahead. And that's why they did it, and that's why I left.

[Vinny]

So I'm with Pat on this and I'll explain why.

[Andrew Tate]

Sure.

[Vinny]

Cuz we had dinner six months ago.

[Andrew Tate]

Y.

[Vinny]

And we invited Pat.

[Andrew Tate]

Yep.

[Vinny]

And we shot a video, you and me, Pat, where you at?

[Andrew Tate]

And he wouldn't come. You're right.

[Vinny]

And I said, pat's not coming.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, you're right.

[Vinny]

You. We sent you the video. Yeah. There was no chance. But respectfully, we're going to invite him. I'm a little offended I didn't know about you.

[Andrew Tate]

No, bro, that would have been a video. If I would have had you there, then it would have been.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Here's what.

[Andrew Tate]

I would have done a video. But here's what I would.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let me ask you a.

[Vinny]

Let me ask you a very simple question. The night we went out, we had dinner at on top of 11.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

Did we not have an amazing night? Any trouble whatsoever?

[Andrew Tate]

No, I didn't get any trouble.

[Vinny]

Wasn't it a way better night?

[Andrew Tate]

Of course.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So are you saying you're a better host than who he was with? I mean, is that what you're saying?

[Vinny]

Nick Fuentes at the club, dog.

[Andrew Tate]

But you know, hear me out, guys. I like Nick's funny.

[Vinny]

Of course, you know how much hate I get from associating with Nick Fuentes? Because I interviewed the guy. I got canceled off of TikTok for interviewing Nick Fuentes in a challenging interview.

[Andrew Tate]

Wild.

[Vinny]

I got canceled TikTok. Thanks, China, but here's my point. We eat dinner. Giselle, we go down to 11. You say to me, hey, bro, amazing night. I got a cut, out early. I can't be at the club. This is at the number one club, not in Miami in the world.

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Vinny]

11.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Correct.

[Vinny]

You have the. The mindset to be like, let me get out of here. You go with guys who don't know anything about Miami.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

Nothing about clubs. You go to some club, Van Dome, Pat. What Pat is basically saying is you're better than all this. And that's my opinion.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So final point, I don't think I'm saying he's better than this.

[Vinny]

No, I'm saying this.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, that's what you're saying.

[Vinny]

I'm saying that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I'm saying. I'm saying what's his. Yes, he belongs in a. And this is a conversation we had three years ago, two years ago, when, you know, that's between he and I. But I'm saying he belongs in a bigger room and what to do to get into those rooms, because impact can be bigger. By the way, I invite. And I want you to finish your thought because I think what you're saying is, if you come into Miami, call me. I'm going to be a better host. I know the good places. I know. And by the way, as much as I'm teasing you, I'm agreeing with you because you know, the places in Miami, the guys, you know, you're connected with everybody. All I'm saying is a very different message. My message is, what's the next room to get into and solve for that. That's all it is. And by the way, you know what's crazy about it? Myron games. I invite him over to the office. Six months ago. This is a meeting Myron and I had. It's no one's business. Myron knows what conversation I had with him. I sat him down, I said, myron, you know, he came with his dog. It was so funny. Everyone's like, why is there a dog in the office? I said, I don't know. He walks with a dog. It's okay. Bring it. Bring the dog. And I sat him and I said, you know how great of a communicator you are? You would make such a better point if you chose to do xyz. This was the conversation we had with Myron because I see him as such a talent. Same thing with Nick. I think you are the leader of this crew and everyone knows it. You're the leader of all of these guys. They all follow your lead. And by the way, I even saw a clip. I think that Nicholas guy was calling you out in a clip a few weeks ago.

[Andrew Tate]

I can't believe.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, Sneako, he was calling me out.

[Andrew Tate]

Oh, yeah, Sneako does loads of clips. Insulting me all the time. Yeah, I mean, I completely understand what you're saying, but that's Okay.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I just think. I just think they're supposed to do that because if the leader at the top chooses to go here, these guys have to choose to lead. And those who don't follow his lead, they bash him. It's a very normal state of. You know, how the process.

[Andrew Tate]

Myron's an amazing friend of mine. He's never insulted me, to my knowledge. I think Nick Fuentes has said some things negative about me in the past, but now we get along. I think Clav said some negative things about me, but it's the first time I met him. I know. Sneako said endless negative things about me over and over again because it gets him clicks. I landed in Miami. It was the first time to meet Nick and Clive. The guys came along. If you would have told me, andrew, if you go to the club, a international incident is going to take place. Of course I wouldn't have gone. I sat there. I don't go to clubs. I don't like clubs. There was a long conversation about being Nick's first day in the club. And I truthfully, perhaps in my ignorance, thought that I could go to a club for 15 minutes without having a mess. And I was wrong. So here it is.

[Vinny]

By the way, I. I don't have any critique of you other than it was a poor decision, because I agree with Pat. You are a leader and you're leading these knuckleheads into stupid decisions. We're moving on from that. Here's what I do want to say. 24 hours later, this is so funny. I'm getting calls from all these guys. I come over to Eric's house. I'm having for dinner the leftovers from the night before, from prime one to. You hungry? Yeah, whatever. Your food. Typical Jewish. They're like, you want to drink? I'm drinking Blue Label with Tristan and I'm. Guys, what's going on here? Like, you're calling me to get my feedback. I didn't call you guys. What up, bro? Can I eat your leftovers?

[Patrick Bet-David]

What's your point?

[Vinny]

So here's my point, Pat. I want to say something. In 24 hours, the world changed. Not the world changed. This situation changed. I do want to say one thing, and I want to validate everything you're saying, because the whole thing was who done it, who played the song. In my opinion, it was Sneako. I'll let him speak for himself. I do think Myron is your friend, and you have no idea how much respect I have for you when you can throw him under the bus right now. And you don't respect.

[Andrew Tate]

I'm not gonna do it, Sneako.

[Vinny]

I have zero idea why some guy that talks crap about you for a living, brother, you still would associate with. That's your call. You know who I love. You know who I love. And no matter what he does, I'll say, that's my dog. Justin Waller.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, 100%.

[Vinny]

The reason that I came. The reason I came to the house. He was my first text. I said, waller, what's going on? You know, he goes. He goes, SaaS, let me explain what happened. Let's go. He goes, what kind of music you think I listen to?

[Andrew Tate]

Watch the stream. We were playing country music.

[Vinny]

You have country music?

[Andrew Tate]

Dude, of course.

[Vinny]

So he sends me the video. Tristan's as the. Tristan could be James Bond. Yeah, He's. And he's a little stressed out. He's like, bro, I want to come to Miami.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Tristan, that could be.

[Andrew Tate]

He is.

[Myron]

He is James Bond.

[Vinny]

He's like, I don't want this in my life. I know. You know, people, like, respectfully, like, hook a brother. I go, I got you. I'm on the phone with the mayor of Miami Beach. What do I tell you? Hey, sir, I'll call you right back. One minute. You're putting Dylan to bed. I tell the mayor, hey, I got to talk to Pat because he actually pays my bills. You don't. You collect my taxes.

[Andrew Tate]

You rob me.

[Vinny]

Yeah, you rob me. He pays me. So respectfully, Mr. Mayor, respect whatever he's saying. Dude, I don't know this song. Yeah, I don't. Like I'm a country guy, and I see you walk out of the van, and I'm like, all right, well, the song was on for 10 seconds. Sneako, I guess, is so broke that he's. He's not even paying for the ad free thing. They're playing commercials.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, I mean, you know what?

[Patrick Bet-David]

You know what?

[Vinny]

But here's what he said, and I want to give you a chance. He did validate everything you're saying. The reason you went is because Nick Fuentes, virgin, never been to a club. A virgin. And a literal club virgin, you wanted to see him be basically, like, dance monkey in a club, so to speak. And I actually understand that. But when you show up to a club with the Nazi Avengers, Nick Fuentes, Myron Gaines, Sneako, you're gonna get looped into this, and whose head's gonna roll first?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Not some.

[Vinny]

Not some cloud kid nobody's heard of. Andrew Tate. You're the leader.

[Andrew Tate]

I understand.

[Myron]

And I know you guys, like you didn't. He's not choosing to be their leader. You are a leader, and they are, like, looking up to you. So it's not like choosing to be like, yo, I'm in charge of you.

[Vinny]

This kid shouldn't be in the club. He's 20. That's another conversation.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

He's meeting you for the first time. You're his idol.

[Andrew Tate]

I understand the point you're making. And you know what? Sneako has insulted me endless times, especially across the last four years. I haven't seen him in years and years and years. But maybe, you know, maybe it's the man code in me. You know, he's insulted me so many times, and I could sit here and throw him under the bus, but it's just not who I am as a person. I want to meet Nick and Clav. They are the Is Clav and Nick who reached out to me. You're in America. We've never met before. Come through. We're with Sneako. Is that okay? My reply was, sneako always has some crybaby issue with me. If he's not going to cry his eyes out, he can come. And he came along and he made a mess, and I could sit here and blame it all on him, but that's truthfully not. I don't know. That just feels wrong to me. I'm not going to sit here and say who else it was. I'm just going to say I didn't do it. I'm just going to say that I didn't play the song. I don't find the song funny. I didn't think it was appropriate to do. It's someone else's decision. We can drag him up here and we can ask him why he did it. Perhaps you're right. Perhaps when they said, nick's never been to a club before, I should have thought, nick's never been to a club before. It's the first time I've ever met him. It might be a funny story. I haven't been in America in a year. You know what? I'm bored. I don't even like clubs. But I'm in Miami. Maybe I should go for 15 minutes. Perhaps that was the wrong decision. Perhaps it was. Perhaps I should have known better. But I went, and here we are.

[Vinny]

Did Nicholas have a good time?

[Andrew Tate]

He said he didn't hate it, which I guess.

[Myron]

And I did see somebody. I did see somebody go, hey, I forgot who was Nicholas? Or one of those guys like, hey, I got some girls. And he's like, no, I'M good. I don't, I don't want the girls.

[Vinny]

I don't like girls. Definitely not gay.

[Myron]

No.

[Andrew Tate]

He said he didn't hate it. I did, I did hate it because club suck. But it was Nick club night. I'm in Miami. I was like, oh, fuck it, that club sucks. Okay.

[Vinny]

Yeah, Wasn't the club I took you to the dopest thing.

[Andrew Tate]

Well, that's true.

[Vinny]

Shout out to 11.

[Andrew Tate]

That's true.

[Vinny]

To live.

[Andrew Tate]

And you know what? There's this, I guess, I mean, if I were the kind of person to throw people under the bus, if I was that guy, then it would be for me to sit here and say, people who understand the Miami scene better must understand the kind of reaction that would get. I don't live here. I could take you guys to clubs in Romania and there's songs we could play that would get us stabbed outside. You wouldn't even understand the words. So I, I, I'm in Romania, it's my territory. If I put on a song that's going to get you guys literally in trouble and put you on the news, then I guess that's on me. I obviously speak English. I know what the song says. I know what the song means, of course. But I guess people who live here understand how sensitive the Miami scene is more than I do. I don't live here, you know, I'm just here. It's my second day in Miami. It's the first day, first club night with Nick, who's one of the most influential and most well known people on the planet, whether anyone likes it or not. And I went, so perhaps that was a bad decision. Perhaps it was a bad decision. I'm going to sit here and say, obviously not the best decision in the world, but here it is, it's done. If anybody in the Jewish community genuinely believes I want to run around and put them in a fucking concentration camp and not understand that I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time while someone played a stupid song, then unfortunately, I mean, I'm happy to sit down and talk to anybody, by the way.

[Vinny]

And I'm not the person to speak for the Jewish community 100%. I'm agreeing with Tate on this. So for any Jew that's like, oh, he's no, he's not. Look at us. But I want to ask Pat what he would do because I totally respect the whole Myron thing. I text Myron, I go, dude, you're going viral. He goes, this is five in the afternoon. What I do, bro, I just Woke up, I didn't respond. Good luck. I don't communicate with Sneako. I dap him up if I see him in an Aiden Ross event or whatever. Nick Fuente.

[Andrew Tate]

Sneako will be insulting me again by next week. That's what Sneako does. He go back and forth.

[Vinny]

But that's my question to Pat, and he'll probably validate and agree with me. Why you wouldn't want to throw a genuine friend under the bus. But Sneako's not your friend, bro.

[Andrew Tate]

No, he's not my friend.

[Vinny]

What would you do if this situation where you have someone? Because in my opinion, those are the two biggest culprits. Sneako and Myron. This and playing the song and everyone else is just around. What would you do with Myron if you're him? And what would you do with Sneako, who's clearly not his friend?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think he knows I've already shared. But here's the thing with Tate. Tate is a 39 year old grown man with a lot of life experiences and the code, certain codes I have with men and women that I talk about, hey, if this is your girl, here's what you do, you know, here's how we do things when we're going out to family. Respect. If his sister. Let's just say he says, hey, Pat, you know, my sister's gonna come hang out. I'm treating his sister like my sister. Nobody touches her. I'm protecting her. Nobody can do it. There's certain things that I follow. No, no, I think. Look, Adam, you're 46 years old and you're 45. Okay, whatever.

[Vinny]

Let's not do this. I'll round down before.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So let's just say you're. You're. You're in your mid-40s, right?

[Vinny]

Fair.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay. All right. You're in mid-40s. 46. Let's just say you're in your mid-40s. Okay.

[Vinny]

Next thing you know, it'll be 65.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, you will happen real quick.

[Vinny]

But he just turns.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But even I tell you, I'm like, look, think about, you know, who are the men you respect the most?

[Vinny]

Mm.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's how this question goes.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Make a list of which men you respect the most. Okay. Who's on that list? Let's just say you say Trump. Okay, great. Let's say you say, you know, Dana, or maybe you say, I don't know, what names you say. Everybody says different names that they say. Right. Okay, great. What. What is the pattern? What is their life? I know you just talked, but you haven't drank for four years.

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No alcohol for four years.

[Andrew Tate]

I wasn't drunk that night. Didn't have a drop.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. That's amazing to see. You haven't drank for four years. Right.

[Vinny]

Even the night we went out, you had zero drinks.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But I think the part is modeling. Who do you want to model? What's the next phase of life? And you make the choice and you move on. I've never met, you know, Nicholas guy. I've never met him. Good looking guy. Well spoken, you know, intensity. I don't know his background. I don't know what happened with his family. I don't know why he is the way he is. But it pays today to be allowed. There's an economy for being allowed. But I want to get away from this.

[Vinny]

Can I answer your one question?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Which one?

[Vinny]

Who I respect. There's only one name, and that's you. Because you know the conversations that we've had behind closed doors. I'm tearing up here. If I never met you, what would I be doing now? I'd still be out in the club with Adrian. You know, this conversation. Right. How much did you change this guy's life? We just joked the first time that he came out in Miami. This kid was a maniac.

[Myron]

Now I'm three years old.

[Andrew Tate]

Maniac. Amazing.

[Vinny]

I told him I can't ever bring him out in the club again in Miami. Trying to fight my best friend.

[Andrew Tate]

Amazing. And. And that's beautiful. And that's past legacy.

[Vinny]

But hear me out. We're so grateful that we're here. Of course, there's nobody a person on my list. This conversation right on the car on the way to Dylan's baseball game. What's. What's the word in. In the book to. To cut off, to decide. And you know, I made a decision recently. You know, this.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

Yeah. So you know how easy it is for me to be a 50 year old guy in the club in Miami? A6. I could do that. Like that. Free drinks, bottles. 11 this. But I don't want to be that guy. I want to have kids. And I know how you feel about kids. And I know how Tristan feels about kids.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

We probably spent two hours talking about kids.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

Justin Waller, you know this.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

So I look at him and I say, damn.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

What do I want to do? I'm 45, Pat, but I'm going to be 65. Do I want to have kids or not? Do I want to have family or not?

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

So to me, this comes down to one thing, dude. Whether you like it or not, homie, you're a leader and a boss for a generation of kids.

[Andrew Tate]

I understand this kid Clav.

[Vinny]

Not that I want to give him Braden. Whatever. He's a 20 year old kid. Yes, he's mogging. Whatever. This is smashing his face. Here's a kid at 20, but if a young, if a 20 year old girl did this. Kylie Jenner lip injections, titties. We know what's going on with women because I'm so grateful. Because of you. Because of you. I know this kid. I say dudes are doing this. Dudes are getting fake titties now. Basically cutting their face. Flogging. Mogging. The reason I'm 10 minutes late today is because I was mogging. I wanted to look good for you on camera. One of the out alpha the dove.

[Patrick Bet-David]

G. I see the bruise.

[Myron]

I see the bruise.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I see.

[Vinny]

But the point is, thank God that I have him in my ear and not Moggy McGee out here. Yeah, I, I, if there's one thing I could say, as I have so much respect for you and I think so many people do.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

That you should be in that room with a Trump and a Dana White. Instead you're in a club with Moggy McGee, Nick Fuentes and Sneako in a shitty club in Miami.

[Andrew Tate]

I totally understand. And I'm not here to make excuses for my actions. I was here in Miami. I wanted to meet Nick. Nick was with Clav. They asked if Sneako could come. I said Sneako insults me all the time. Sneako came here. Even though all he does is insult me, I'm still not gonna throw him under the bus. Myron's an amazing friend of mine. I didn't want to go to the club. I said I don't want to go. I said I did. This is bullshit. They said it's Nick's first ever time. And I truthfully believed I could get in and out of this dump in 15 minutes without an international incident.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You can't.

[Andrew Tate]

And I would. Of course not. You know, I've learned. I've learned.

[Vinny]

But how did you not know that already?

[Andrew Tate]

I've finished. No, no, I've learned. So I've learned my lesson. You know, it's, I'm not a perfect person. Hindsight is 20 20. I should not have gone to the club. I should have stuck to what I was saying for the first 10 minutes. I don't want to go. But when, perhaps even maybe, and I'm sure he's going to say no chance. Perhaps even maybe, if they were to say this is Nick Fuentes's first ever time in a nightclub ever in his life. Perhaps other people who don't normally go to clubs would have thought, you know what, for five minutes, let me go.

[Vinny]

Perhaps I just have one last question on this topic.

[Andrew Tate]

Sure.

[Vinny]

Did Nick at least lose his virginity that night?

[Andrew Tate]

I have no idea. But Nick and Myron and Sneako and Clive, they can all come here and defend themselves. And even though Sneako's insulting me a trillion times and even though he put the song on, I just don't think it's prudent for me to sit up here and throw him under the bus. Even though, you know, maybe I should. Maybe most people in my position would say, Sneako's insult me a whole bunch of times. He's going to insult me again next week. That's all he ever does, is flip flop. I didn't even want him there. He got invited by the other guys, he put the song on, he got me in trouble. Perhaps I should sit here and just blame some other dude. But what I'm actually just going to do is tell my side of the story. My side of the story is that I want to speak to Nick.

[Vinny]

Show me your friends, I'll show you your future. You deserve better.

[Andrew Tate]

Let's move on.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is. Is there long term plans, Tate, of wanting to live in Miami? Wanting to live in Florida?

[Andrew Tate]

So here's the story of Miami. Last time I came here, I don't know if you remember, I caught a criminal case for absolutely no reason whatsoever. I thought this was America, but it turns out, you know, communism was alive here in Florida. Just the same, I'll show me the man and I'll find the crime. And Desantis and his little girlfriend, the ag, I have no idea if he's even still in power, decided to investigate me for absolutely no reason whatsoever. I expected a hero's welcome and I have yet to give the one and a half hour story of what actually happened to me. Nobody actually understands what has happened to me yet. And it takes an hour and a half for me to explain from start to finish. But let me make it very, very quick for everybody at home so they understand. I was deemed a national security threat by the British state. I was the most googled man on the planet. And they said I had so much control over the young men inside of the uk. They said I was an unchecked source of influence and there was an intelligence operation specifically designed to dampen my influence. I have the paperwork, I have the chronology, I have all of the proof that I was set up by a sovereign state. The Brits hit me with all of this crap from start to finish. So when I finally escaped detention without a conviction after four years of being locked in jail and in my house and return home to America, the country my father served for, the country I was born in, I expected a hero's welcome. And what did I walk into? I walked into a crock of. From Desantis and his little girlfriend saying that I'm not welcome even though I'm a citizen and I'm a bad person, even though I'm not convicted and that I'm going to be investigated. And I actually am quite glad they investigated me, because let me tell you something. You're not going to meet another person on the street who's been investigated more than me. I've been through more investigations by more different agencies than anybody else you're probably ever going to meet. And here I am, free, talking to you. So they dampened and destroyed and completely ruined my first experience in Florida. Those clowns did, for no reason, to an American citizen who should have got a hero's welcome after being detained in the most corrupt country in Europe. I hate to get angry about this, but it destroyed four years of my life. Let me ask, since when does anybody, with all due respect, give a fuck about what the Romanians say? The Romanians said it's corrupt. Who cares what the Romanians said? If you were to tell me the Romanians said that he did this, it was like the Romanians said, who gives a shit what they say?

[Vinny]

Is that where Dracula is from?

[Andrew Tate]

We have problems with corruption in the American system. We're talking about the poorest country in Europe. It's absolutely insane what happened to me. And when I finally give you, you the one and a half hour rendition with the paperwork, with the proof that I was set up by the British state specifically to damage my influence over young men, that they knew I was innocent. That's the reason Romanians have let me go. Where's my trial? I've yet to be fucking charged with anything. I was. My life was completely wrecked. All because I became the most Googled man in the world and wasn't saying the things they want me to say. Completely wrecked. I land here. Desantis and his fucking girlfriend ruin it. And I leave. And I go to a country where I'm finally treated with respect. I went to Dubai. Every single person in the uae at every single level of power says the same thing to me. It is completely unfair. What Happened to you. And I cannot believe what the people in Florida did to you when you got free. Everybody says it at the top, all the way to the bottom. Florida completely destroyed its entire reputation with this garbage they did. And internationally it is spoken about. I just went to a meeting in the Bahamas. I had to do some banking and move some money around. And I sat there with Tristan and said, it would be nice to go see Justin in Miami. It'd be nice to go see the guys in Miami. It'd be nice to do pbd. And he said, if we go there, Desantis and his girlfriend are gonna arrest us. And I said, for what? We haven't done anything goes. Doesn't matter. It's a matrix attack. And we sat there and thought, you know what? Fuck him. And we came. I landed here expecting to be arrested. Isn't that crazy? As an American citizen who's never done anything wrong, never been convicted of any crime in his life anywhere, never even lived in Florida. I've been here three times in my life that I'm afraid to come back to a city because I'm looking at made up charges from people trying to score political points on Twitter. I thought this country was free. So I flew here, and it turns out they didn't arrest me. Do you know why? Because they ain't got. Because I haven't done anything. And I am truly from the bottom. If you want to talk about this nightclub incident, I am truly tired. Truly tired of the amount of heat that is constantly on my head and the amount of pressure that's constantly on my back. Sure, I'm a man. Sure, I can deal with it. Of course, I don't like the fact that I can't take a piss without an international incident. I don't like this. I don't like that. I finally get back to Miami. I make the brave choice to come here. Looking at a possible arrest, and then I think, ah, okay. I'm doing a stream with guys I've never met before. It turns out to be the biggest stream on the Internet at the time, with hundreds of thousands of viewers. It's Nick's first time at a club. Let me go. It's his first time. Don't be the boring old man, Andrew. It's only 10 minutes go. And all this happens. I don't like all this constant and endless bullshit. So of course I'm sitting there in hindsight, going off, for fuck's sake. Wish that didn't happen. Wish that didn't happen. But I also didn't see, when I left Romania and landed here, I'd be wrecked by those clowns. So to answer the question, do I want to live in America? Yes, I'm an American. But the power structures here are so decentralized. I. I mean, Kamala Harris's book, read it. 107 days, page 176. I lost the election because people changed the young men's vote. Their young men went so right wing because of people like Andrew Tate. Kamala says I'm one of the reasons Trump won. I know the Trump team like me. I know the Trump family like me, but I land here and some state clowns are going to wreck my life. The power here is so decentralized, I don't feel safe here. I don't get how anything works, works. Trump is supposed to be the boss. He can't even pass a law without some dickhead judge ruining. I don't understand what's going on in America anymore. So I feel safe in the UAE because I know who the boss is.

[Patrick Bet-David]

In the Trump administration. Have a couple people that came to your defense, want to help. Nothing happen to you. Because I think there was something going on there as well.

[Andrew Tate]

You mean to my defense with the Romania case?

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, no, with the Florida case.

[Andrew Tate]

I have no idea. I don't know. What I do know is that I'm at the stage in my life now where the threats are empty. Investigate me, shoot me, arrest me, put me in jail. Like, if you think you can build a case, build a case. Go. You look at all the crap the AG said of Florida. You look at how he ran his mouth on the news, all the stupid tweets he made. How? You tell me he didn't try his absolute best to get me? Of course he did. He wrote to the Brits, he wrote to the Romanians. He was asking for information from everybody. He was trying his absolute best to get me, and he can't even fucking arrest me for questioning. Clown show. So do I want to live in America and Miami? Yes. But I don't want to live at a clown show. I don't want to live in this mess where power is so decentralized. And unfortunately for me, I score so many political points, either right or left, that my life is just thrown into the limbo like, ah, well, this is good for my career. Wreck it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You know what?

[Andrew Tate]

This is crazy, Tate.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Somebody could say, if you go to Dubai, do you play by Dubai's rules?

[Andrew Tate]

Okay, but what are the rules of America, sir? Because I thought we had free speech. Clearly, we don't.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I get that, but I'm talking about the rules of Dubai. When you go to Dubai, do you play by Dubai?

[Andrew Tate]

100%. So what are the rules of America?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Well, let me kind of go to where I'm going with this. This whole thing of what you can and can't say, opinion wise, that Desantis and his camp in Florida is trying to pass. I'm not part of that community. People need to be able to debate out anything. Whatever you want, you got to be able to debate it out. But also, if. If you're wanting to come to Florida, right, and you know, like certain, you know, culture is going to be in a certain way, you either say, you know, I want to come here. I. You can't say, you guys better change or else I'm not coming. It's no. This is Florida telling anyone to change.

[Andrew Tate]

I'm you. I'm answering the question of do I have a plan to live in Miami? And what I'm saying is, I was so disappointed by what Desantis and his girlfriend did to me when I landed here that I've learned that, truthfully, the American system doesn't support free speech. And it doesn't support the idea you're innocent before until you're convicted. It doesn't support any of the things it pretends to support. The system here is complete clown show. It's a joke. After what they did to me. Truthfully, no. I don't see myself ever.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But it didn't work, though.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course it didn't work. But why should I come here and buy a 20 million dollar property knowing there's an AG sitting there trying to put me in jail so he can get Twitter followers? That's bullshit.

[Patrick Bet-David]

AG's been trying to put Trump in jail for a while.

[Andrew Tate]

Exactly. It's a joke. This. This whole thing is stupid. I truthfully. Truthfully, from the bottom of my heart, I'm heartbroken for the state of America. I think this is. This is crazy. We have the best president we could ever possibly hope for, and still we have this kind of garbage and decentralized attacks and random judges. A random AG in Alabama can type up some crap and ruin my life right now. I don't feel safe in this country. I don't feel safe here. And I don't feel safe here. Not because I've done anything wrong. Not because I'm convicted of crimes. I don't feel safe here because I'm a scalp. I'm a scalp and everyone wants my head on the Wall And I like to go to places and live in places and invest my money in places where very important powerful people who understand the world say yes, you're too big to exist in a system that is so decentralized. There's going to be too many people inside of that system who want your head. And on a long enough time frame, especially with a four year cycle where everything can change, they're going to get your head. You need to live somewhere with stability sir. And I'm going to say thank you very much. Let me plan for the next 20 years with me and my children and let me build some towers. America's a joke now. America's falling apart. And I'm not saying that happily I'm an American. What I'm saying is there's a very strong chance in the next three years that psychopaths get back in the house. You think me with a $25 million mansion in Miami, I'm going to survive the Dems coming back? I don't stand to hope it's and that not because I've done anything wrong. Everyone's out to get me. Everyone's out to get me. So what am I supposed to do? Right. As well as we can also add into the fact that if I want to be pessimistic and argue that the western hemisphere is collapsing in real time, America is certainly not as bad as Europe and I will actually argue that the Venezuela operation was fantastic for American soft power. I actually think that put America back on the map. I think the Venezuelan operation saved America for at least five more years. But in general as western as the quality of life in western countries declines and we can all argue that it probably is. I'll ask you. 2016 to 2025, the amount of money that has been printed by the American government, the amount the GDP of this country has increased in the last 10 years. If you were to actually look at the number on a piece of paper it's hard to even fathom it's incalculable amounts of money. It's trillions of dollars. Does America feel richer to you? Does it look richer to you? We've printed trillions of dollars in 10 years and the country looks worse than ever. I come here for the first time in ever. The infrastructure is crap, the traffic's sack of troll. It's a mess. I live in the UAE where they have no taxes and everything works perfectly here. I'm giving half my money away. So we're getting richer on paper. The whole place is falling apart. The Western world in real time is falling apart. I think the whole world is falling apart. If I put my hands together and do this, I can feel the fire of the world burning. And my theory is that as we have a collapse and an implosion of this way of life we've always known as laws stop functioning. Because we're at the limit of law in America. We're at the absolute upper limit of what law can fix and tolerate. Look at Minnesota. Law isn't working. Police aren't working. The system isn't working. People are getting arrested for things. And no one's going to jail or they're making bail, or they're going to jail and getting out 25 times murdering people. The cracks that already exist in a society are going to become much larger than cracks. They're going to become rivers, fishers. An American society is already on the edge between races, Republican and Democrats, between men and women. Everyone here hates each other. And as things implode, I see as I don't see a civil war in other places in the world because the cracks are not as large. This place is teetering on the edge of violence all of the time. It's crazy. So to answer your question, sorry to be so impassioned. I love Miami. I'm an American. I love you guys. My best friends live here. I, besides the nightclub, have a nice time here. It's a great place. I would love to buy a big fat house and a boat and enjoy myself here. I don't feel safe in this country anymore. People want to kill me for my watch. The government want me in jail, or some of them do for their careers. Women want to lie about me for fucking payday. What am I supposed to do here? How? What life am I supposed to have? Walk around with 20 bodyguards and guns? It is a shame that America's become such a mess that I can't live here. What I can do is visit for a week or two and hope to get out without an indictment. And it's crazy. And that's a failure of America. That's not a failure of me. I'm not doing anything. I don't drink. I don't take drugs. I don't take steroids. I sit on my laptop and I made the biggest mistake in the world, which is go to a nightclub for the first time in years, for 15 minutes. I can't fucking piss with without catching a case. So, no, I can't live here.

[Vinny]

Can I, please?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Of course.

[Vinny]

I'm going to break this down. You're such A good speaker that I have to process what you're saying, agree, and then filter out the bullshit.

[Andrew Tate]

Sure, sure.

[Vinny]

If you don't mind.

[Andrew Tate]

Absolutely.

[Vinny]

You're so good, and I sat with you for hours.

[Andrew Tate]

Thanks.

[Vinny]

I'm like, tate, Tate. Yes. Yes.

[Andrew Tate]

No.

[Vinny]

Yes. Yes.

[Andrew Tate]

Let's hear the. Let's hear the bullshit.

[Vinny]

Has the world come against you? Has the world gone crazy? Have you been debanked, deeplatformed? Come against you? I don't believe you're guilty of anything, of course, other than being a loudmouth, biracial, somewhat racist, and that's why I love Somewhat.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vinny]

But America, and let me be super clear, is still the greatest country in the world. And it is always going to be the greatest country in the world, and we still have problems like crazy. You want to go back to the uk?

[Andrew Tate]

Of course not.

[Vinny]

Hell, no.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course not. Hell, no.

[Vinny]

Look at your boy Tommy Robinson.

[Andrew Tate]

England's done.

[Vinny]

So. What did your boy Winston Churchill say? Your boy democracy is the greatest form of government, except for all the other governments have been tried. So I'll ask you this. Understand, you want to go back to the UK and deliver a sham democracy.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course not.

[Vinny]

You want to go live under Sharia law in Iran.

[Andrew Tate]

I understand.

[Vinny]

Hell, no.

[Andrew Tate]

Listen.

[Vinny]

So, yes, I understand America has problems.

[Andrew Tate]

Yep.

[Vinny]

But you're coming into the wrong room to play the America's bad victim card.

[Andrew Tate]

I'm not playing the America's bad. What I'm trying to do. America's not bad, and I'm an American. What I'm trying to explain is for my own personal scenario, my own personal situation, I'm trying to optimize for stability. Now, it is true America. One of the best things about it is if the government turns against you, as Desantis and his girlfriend did, you do stand a chance of beating it. I'm very aware that if the government of the UAE turn against me, I'm not going to win in court. Can you. I'm not. I'm not.

[Vinny]

Could you have.

[Andrew Tate]

I understand that, but also. But also, we have to sit now and have a discussion as rational adults in a collapsing world as to why. CZ from Binance. Pavel from telegram. Ray Dalio just did it. Why? Most of the world's wealth is going to the most stable country in the world, the uae, and it is because there's none of this deci. Decentralization of power. There's a lot of other very powerful, powerful people who say the same thing as me. You can't trust America. Some AG in Alabama is Going to wreck your life. You can't be there. You have to be here at stable. And I'm not the only person who's saying that. I'm sitting with other billionaires, American billionaires, saying that. I would love to live in America, guys. I'd love to be with you guys every single day. I would. And I'm not here trying to clown America or insult America, but America has really big problems. And for me personally, it's hard to feel safe here.

[Vinny]

Let me just say one quick response. Dude, if I'm you, I think the exact same way. Everyone I talk to that goes to UAE says it's amazing. It's incredible. We have one guy in BBC.

[Andrew Tate]

Thanks.

[Vinny]

They call him, like, sexual chocolate Dubai.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Like, he.

[Vinny]

He loves it there. So go ahead. You got to fix that.

[Andrew Tate]

No, I'm good.

[Vinny]

What you're saying is true, and the rest of the world should wake up. And that's in the most chaotic region of the world.

[Andrew Tate]

Yep.

[Vinny]

There's a little country called Dubai or called UAE that's actually doing it. Right. So this is why when people take the Islamic extremism, I go, well, it's not everywhere. They actually have a peace agreement with Israel.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

The two probably most stable countries. That's true in the Middle east. Whether you like Israel or not, there's.

[Andrew Tate]

Jews all in Dubai.

[Vinny]

There's Israel and Dubai because it's gdp, not gdt, Gross domestic product, not gross domestic terrorists.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

So you're bringing a valid point about Dubai and I need to go there. Hopefully we can go. Here's my question. Could you say what you're saying, criticizing UAE if you felt this way?

[Andrew Tate]

Absolutely not.

[Vinny]

That's why America's number one.

[Andrew Tate]

If I felt that way. So here's the important. Here's the important thing to understand. I am not delusional as to the idea that UAE is not a free country. Of course not. But luckily for me, all of their views align with my views. So the things I'm not allowed to say are things I don't want to say. So luckily, I don't feel the constriction. But you're completely right in regards to. I can't criticize the government in the uae, not from the uae. That is true. And I'm not saying it's a perfect country. And I'm not saying they do absolutely everything right either. What I'm saying is I'm trying to optimize my life personally just so everyone here understands me, so that I can raise my children and stay out of jail. And the chance of me going to jail here is 1000 times higher than there because of the decent centralization of power and the fact that I'm a scalp. That's the bottom line of it. And that's why it's very difficult for me to invest money in America. As American as I feel, as American as I want to be. I would love to live in Miami, guys. I'm just answering the question and explaining why I don't feel safe to do it and why many other very prominently rich, well known people don't feel safe to do it. I sit with CZ Pavel, I sit with billionaires who all say the same thing. America's a war zone. You're not safe there. In a few years the Dems might win. You can't invest there. And people are saying you can't trust America across the next 20 years. And if you're gonna make a 20 year investment, you're looking for stability.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So I am so optimistic about the future with America, I can't even describe it to you. Having said I'd love correctly buy a house today.

[Andrew Tate]

Let's go. I mean I want to live here.

[Vinny]

I got a good realtor for you. But I will tell you he's a Jewish guy, man.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But I will tell you, I will tell you also who I may not recommend to want to live in America. And I mean this isn't a place for you. For example, I don't belong in la and I get it. I don't, I don't belong in la. I'm talking to a bishop the other day from the Syrian community. We're having a conversation about potentially putting in a Syrian leadership event together and hosted by us at the hangar here and how often you come to la. Once a year. Why is that? I don't agree with the lifestyle of la. How they raise their kids, how they. And not the people that are living there. I'm talking the standards by Newsom, the government, all of that. Taxes, small business owners, regulation 1099 W2. I can listen 50 reasons why I can't live in the state of California, period. And they just did their gerrymandering that now it's going to be the. You know, the Congress In California is 52 congressmen and women. They have. Do you know after this recent gerrymandering it's going to be 48 Democrats, four Republicans. You know what that compares to? That compares to Venezuela, that compares to Brazil on what the House looks like. So California is becoming a Brazil or a Venezuela. And guess what? The billionaires are leaving. Now, here's the thing. You take all the billionaires in the world, right? There's about, I don't know, 3000 billionaires in the world. Of the 3000 billionaires in the world, 1300 of them are in America.

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Patrick Bet-David]

There's a reason for it. Now, Sergey Brin.

[Andrew Tate]

The reason for it, Patrick, and I hate to interrupt, is because here they can buy enough political clout to not go to jail. And I'm not a billionaire like that. It's because they're so entrenched with government that they're above the law. That's why they're here.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

And in the uae, they can't do.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I don't know about that. I don't know about everybody. I don't know about everybody. I don't know if that's the case with everybody like Sergey Brin. They ran Google, okay? Bezos runs Amazon. Musk runs, you know, a bunch of.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, they can't put these people in jail because they're the economy, but also.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They are the economy, but they're also not criminals. They're running companies. I'm not a criminal, but I'm not the economy. No, I didn't say. You're saying that. What I'm saying to you is if you're saying they're avoiding having to go to jail and all this, if you go out there and build a company, build a business, you just have to know Newsom doesn't like you and California doesn't like you. They want to put a wall, tax. Guess what? New York doesn't like billionaires. So this Mamdani guy is going to.

[Andrew Tate]

Say he's interacting with you.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And I'm. And guess what? Guess what in America, you get a chance to do. You got 50 states to choose from.

[Andrew Tate]

That's right.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I lived in Texas. And by the way, I will tell you one thing about Texas. I can easily make an argument for Dallas, Texas, for somebody that's planning on being private equity, business, access to money, access to resources. Goldman Sachs is building an 800,000 square foot facility in Dallas. It's going to be their second headquarters. Texas Stock Exchange. There are so many great arguments for Dallas, Texas. So many of them. There's plenty of arguments here. Miami, who's come in here? The wealth. A lot of the billionaires are moving down here, markets going up. They have to protect themselves, they have to protect the assets. They have to vote accordingly. That's the, you know, the things that you have here. At the same time, is there a Case for UAE coming up. Are you kids? Of course there is. Is there a case for, you know, Dubai, what they're doing? Of course there is. How many democracies have lasted the longest? They don't. They don't last that long of a time. Monarchies do. You can go look back and see how many monarchs. I think the oldest monarchy, Japan, was 20,625,56. Our good friend Curtis Yarvin forces to know this kind of stuff we had a week ago or two weeks ago. There is risk to democracy. There's risk. There is democracy. So if I was to say for you, you also made a couple choices with your lifestyle. You chose to become when you went to prison and you said the letter when you guys were together with you and Tristan, which you guys played one of the greatest pranks ever on. On the. In the. In jail, which I. Till today. Oh, that.

[Andrew Tate]

That is the rush hour greatest.

[Patrick Bet-David]

One of the greatest things these guys did. Oh, that is one of the best ever stories.

[Andrew Tate]

They bugged our cell, and we were talking about Ricky's hand.

[Myron]

Oh, Ricky Tan.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But that. That is hilarious when you guys did that. But to me, when you were in prison and you said, none of my Christian guys will write me letters, but my God, I got a lot of letters from Muslims.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And then you chose to become a Muslim yourself, and you're still practicing. Would you still consider yourself. Yes.

[Vinny]

Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Have you thought about leaving and going back to Christianity?

[Andrew Tate]

No. And before we get into religion, because that's a long conversation. Everything you just said about Newsom, I agree with. Everything you said about New York I agree with. If I go to California right now, Newsom would love to find any possible excuse to indict me. Of course that's why you won't.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I wouldn't go to California.

[Andrew Tate]

Okay. And that's why you won't go. You won't do business in Cali.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I won't.

[Andrew Tate]

All right. If I go New York, mom dummy would love to parade me all over the news, New York, Southern District, and say I'm human trafficker. Of course he would. But, guys, the leader of Florida did the same crap to me. I flew to Florida for a reason. I got out of Romanian detention, looked at the map of America and thought Florida's based. And they proved that they're not. Desantis proved he's a punk. And they failed his girlfriend and they failed. But that doesn't matter. I should not have to live in a hostile environment where I'm constantly and Endlessly investigated and followed for no reason. And I don't have any reason to do that. If Florida. You guys chose Florida because it's good to you, it ain't good to me. And that breaks my heart. My father served for this country. I have the passport. It breaks my heart that Florida betrayed me as it has and has only ever betrayed me. What. What am I supposed to. Supposed to do, sir, but live somewhere else? You wouldn't live in Cali for the same reason I can't live here.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, but this doesn't like the way you live.

[Andrew Tate]

When DeSantis stands up, I don't care. I'm an American, and I don't owe him. And when DeSantis stands up and apologizes to me, when the AG apologizes to me, I'll consider it. And Byron Donald is a punk, too, because he sold out, went on the news and started talking, calling me a human trafficker. I've never been convicted. The point of America is in. In general, the point of democracy is innocent until proven guilty. If they get quizzed about me, if I. If they stand up on the news and they say, what do you think of Andrew Tate? They have a very easy answer. We live in a democracy. It's innocent until proven guilty. I don't know the specifics of his case. What I know is he is not convicted. They don't have to sell out like punks. They don't have to start saying, I'm not welcome here. If the. If the. If the Senate. If the senator or the governor tells me I'm not welcome here. You know what? Then keep it. I'm not a beg. I'm not desperate, and I don't give a. If Ron DeSantis likes how I live or not. To be honest, I don't care. I'm an American citizen. I came here. I've convicted. No, I've been convicted of no crimes. And for the same reason you won't live in Cali or Mom Dummies New York. I can't live here until these clowns apologize to me.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But you're right.

[Andrew Tate]

I'm right, so I'm out of here.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But. But. You're right. But. But the other part. Okay, so do you know right now who in here can choose to sue anyone? Adam. And say, I really don't like his smug answers. Right.

[Andrew Tate]

You can't.

[Vinny]

That's where you go with what I'm in.

[Patrick Bet-David]

In this. In this country we're living in. We had a guy that sued Vinnie. It's a funny story, because of a video we showed. And one of the videos that showed accidentally a picture of another person was shown. That guy sued for half a million dollars.

[Andrew Tate]

Welcome to America.

[Patrick Bet-David]

To say. And by the way, he sued from Canada.

[Andrew Tate]

Welcome to America.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, he sued from Canada. But you know what happened?

[Andrew Tate]

They're not even a country. That's our suit. We're coming for you.

[Vinny]

Greenland's next. Coming for you. Greenland, America.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Do you know what happened? Nothing happened.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course not.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, nothing. Anybody can sue anybody, including this Desantis can get up there and say, this guy's a degenerate. He can say anything he wants because he also has freedom of speech.

[Andrew Tate]

Patrick.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And then the market can decide.

[Andrew Tate]

I understand. But if you were me, you're you.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, right.

[Andrew Tate]

You're you. And you're in Florida. And Florida makes a lot of sense for you. If you were me. If you got betrayed by the British state.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

And you were locked up for four years in the most corrupt country in Europe.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

And you get free. Finally, you don't get heroes welcome. Instead, you get a complete clown show.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

And then you go to another country where you're treated in a completely different manner, where you're treated with a hero's welcome, where the leadership explained to you that there's too much decentralization of power in the west and that what is happening to you is always going to happen. And they apologize for it happening, and they thank you for being there and thank you for investing your money there. And you're in an inner circle with other billionaires who share the exact same sentiment. Would you say, ah, but I really want to live in Florida where they're desperate to put my head on a pike. No, you'd say enough is enough. I'm going to live somewhere where I'm not treated like a criminal because I'm not a criminal for the same reason you want to live here. I can't live here. And that breaks my heart when Desantis and his girlfriend, standing on stage holding hands, apologize to me for what they've done. I will buy a house in Miami. But they're not going to. They're going to continue their little shitty political careers after getting a few Twitter followers for trying to ruin my life and lock me up for no reason. Byron Donald sold me out. He's a too. And when all these punks want to sit around saying my name in a negative light, then keep your place.

[Vinny]

Keep it.

[Andrew Tate]

I'm not. What else am I supposed to do? And I really do believe if you were in my position, Patrick, you'd make the exact same choice if you had. If you brought your. You have wife, you have kids. I have four women with. With six children in Dubai. I'm going to bring them all here. I'm going to bring all my kids. I'm gonna buy all these houses and all these things. No. Knowing that everyone's after out to get me.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, I. I already told you three years ago. Dubai is the place for you if you want to go wrong. No, it's not. It's. It's the life you're choosing to live.

[Andrew Tate]

What's the life I'm choosing to live?

[Patrick Bet-David]

If the am.

[Andrew Tate]

I have. Sorry, Patrick, I hate to interrupt, but what's the life I'm choosing to live? My life is cleaner than 99 of people in this city. I'm not having orgies. I'm not swinging, not going to BDSM clubs. I'm not sniffing coke. I'm not drinking al Walk around Miami. Everyone's doing more than I ever do. I don't do anything. There are people here in this free country living lives far more degenerate than anything I do. I sit on the Internet with opinions. I sit on my laptop and I go to the gym. That's it. You can go to Miami right now. We can go and find swingers club and find gay men or 10 men, one chick high out of their minds on ketamine. No, Desantis has no problem with that. So it really isn't my lifestyle. It isn't the life I'm choosing to live at all. Unfortunately for me, there's a target on my back. That's what it is. So I need to be somewhere where the leadership understands the world well enough so that people high up, prominent number two and number three in the country, vice president level, come to my house and say, it's unfair what is happening to you. That's why the west is collapsing in real time. That's why we're going to be the richest nation on Earth, because nobody's money safe anywhere else. You're welcome here, sir. That's where I should live.

[Vinny]

Dvd. I'm. I'm with Tate on this, and I'll explain why I'm not with you 100%, though.

[Andrew Tate]

I love America, but I'm going to give you.

[Vinny]

I'm going to give you 99%.

[Andrew Tate]

I love America. I love.

[Vinny]

I'm going to give you brotherly advice.

[Andrew Tate]

Sure.

[Vinny]

I think you've been wronged. Yeah, I think that. Do you sound like a. A man who's Guilty. A man who's guilty would be like, well, you got to understand, a man who's innocent.

[Andrew Tate]

A man who's guilty wouldn't come back here.

[Vinny]

Like I'm saying, a man who's guilty would not be talking trash to the governor and everybody and calling his AG his girlfriend.

[Andrew Tate]

I disagree. So, no, I think that's what an innocent man does. Investigate me, come arrest me right now.

[Vinny]

That's my point.

[Andrew Tate]

Come get me.

[Vinny]

You sound like you're an innocent man. That's my opinion.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course.

[Vinny]

You don't sound like a guilty man. A guilty man wouldn't talk like that. A guilty man wouldn't have this much swag and confidence and say, come and get me. We saw how that worked out with Maduro. Come and get me. Oh, we got you, Moselco, of course. Okay, so you also, in a little bit, get more with honey than with vinegar. By the way, can I get a little honey for the tea? If this is good? Here's the challenge you're going to run into with the uae. And I do agree with PBD that that's the place for Tate. You are American citizen. Of course. Here's a challenge you're going to run into, and it has to do with the justice system, because there's anybody that's been wronged by the justice system, it's the guy sitting to my right. So one of the top guys of the uae, whatever you want to call them, he says, UAE is great. America's great. UAE has got this. America's got this. The one challenge we have here, he said, this is America has two political parties.

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Vinny]

In the uae, we have one political party.

[Andrew Tate]

It's not even a political party. It's a family.

[Vinny]

It's a family. Meaning if you even step out of line for one second.

[Andrew Tate]

Agreed.

[Vinny]

If you think the Justice Department is bad here in the United States or in Romania, you got another thing coming to you. I'm very aware you who likes to be able to say and do whatever he wants to do. Good luck saying one bad thing about uae. And I agree. Why would you say anything bad? But when that day comes, what Justice Department would you rather live under? Think about this.

[Andrew Tate]

No, you're right.

[Vinny]

The American justice system or UAE.

[Andrew Tate]

You're 100% right. And I also want to actually clarify something. I don't actually want to say or do whatever I want. I actually don't. There's a lot of things I don't say, and there's a lot of things I don't do that I want to do. That's not, that's not the case. And you're completely right. And I think I said myself earlier, the fact that a governor said my name and I'm not in jail would never happen in many other countries. I completely understand all of that, what I'm saying just for my peace of mind. And perhaps I get so animated because perhaps I have ptsd. Who knows?

[Vinny]

You do.

[Andrew Tate]

But I've been sitting for four years expecting to be arrested at any random second in my life. When someone says, let's make a plan for next week, I'm like, message me on the morning. I can't plan for a week. Message me Monday morning. I. Patrick, how hard is it to make a schedule with me? I'm like, oh, no change. I don't. I work in two day increments. And, and this is how my brain is and what I'm just saying. And perhaps it's not logical. I am open enough and smart enough to admit that perhaps I'm being emotional, but I don't feel safe here. And I'm not saying that because I hate America. I'm saying it's sad because I love America. I batted for Trump harder than anyone. I love America. I love the idea of American power. I'm constantly supporting the American empire. I'm not one of these people who's an accelerationist. I don't think the world's going to be a better place when America finally loses its power and China or Russia is in charge. I don't think the world's going to be better when America can't do what it's currently doing, which is turn up with Blackhawks and kidnaps. I think that's America. I'm all for American power. Take Greenland, take Canada. Completely. Completely. I love America.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Go. What?

[Vinny]

America.

[Andrew Tate]

What I'm saying is I truly believe if any of you were in the same position as me, when you first land in Florida and that crap hits you, your heart's gonna break. And my heart broke. My heart broke. My wife cheated on me. And I. Until I get a sorry or a promise, it's not going to happen again. We're not getting back together. That's what happened to me. My heart broke. And when I came here to the podcast with you guys, I said, I cannot believe what they're doing to me. My heart's broken. And you know what? I understand he's a governor and I understand he's a ag. I understand he can't come on the news and say sorry to me. I'm being animated. But you know what they could do? You know what they could do? As a bare minimum, perhaps you guys agree with me. We've concluded our investigation and found nothing. Can't they issue a statement saying that we investigated him unfairly for no reason and found zero? Can't they just at least do that? That's enough for me to say, look, they got caught up in media spin. I understand their position. They got caught up in media spin, they didn't understand the situation and they investigate me and there was nothing to find. No hard feelings. I live in Florida. They can't even do that. No, they want to stick to their guns. Andrew Tate. Byron wants to say, fuck Andrew Tate. To try and get votes. All these clowns want to use my name to try and get votes. I don't like this show. I don't like this clown show and it breaks my heart.

[Vinny]

Yeah, I want to get, I want to get past the people.

[Myron]

I want to ask you one thing. I agree with what all you guys are saying. And when I think somebody said something of you brought it on yourself, I think what you did, which you're guilty of in a good way, is you exposed the system. You did exactly what Trump did and they did to him. Well, they did to you what they did to him, but they actually tried to actually shoot him in the head and take his head out. So when I say it comes with the territory, what you did, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people are appreciative of you saying, hey, guys, you pulled over the curtain, you call the Matrix, and you said, this is who's in charge. This is what's the actual deal. Trump did it in his own way about the system here. So I understand where you're coming from. I don't want to say it comes with the territory, but, Andrew, you blew the top off of it. And I think once that Pandora's box is open, there is no coming back. I don't think it's a. I think it's any system that you expose and this is from you. It's global. It was the uk.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It was.

[Myron]

It's America course it's all these people freaking are after you because you expose them.

[Andrew Tate]

If I, if I, if I have to be. And I try and self analyze and I try and be very critical of myself because that's how you improve. And I understand that perhaps I'm being emotional and perhaps I'm not being fully logical and I understand all the points you're making and perhaps I am making A mistake, perhaps. All of these things. I understand it.

[Myron]

And I don't think, I don't think.

[Andrew Tate]

You were when I was on that jet.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

To land in Trump's America.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

I'm not landing in a Democrat America. I'm landing in Trump's America. After four years of unfair imprisonment in a corrupt country, I expected a hero's welcome and I didn't get it.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

And all I'm now asking for, at least admit that there's nothing to find on me. Then I'll live here. You know, just say we investigated him. He ain't done anything here. Don't say I've never done anything anywhere else. Don't say I'm the most innocent man in the world. Don't say I'm an angel. Just say there's nothing in Florida case clip. Just do that, that do that and I'll live here. If you're not even going to give me that, if you're going to be so arrogant and you're not even going to give me that, I don't see why you deserve my money. And maybe I'm petty, but you know what? There gets to a point in life where there's nothing really else enjoyable but being petty. Because Trump himself is about to take Greenland because they didn't give him the Nobel Peace Prize, because you get to a certain level of power and money, we're being petty is probably the most fun thing you can do. I didn't struggle and go through all this and get off the streets and finally make some money and put my life together from absolutely nothing and birth all these beautiful children and go through all this crap to sit there and not have the ability to be petty. If you talk to me like and treat me like, guess what? I'll go somewhere else.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Well, why don't we do this now.

[Andrew Tate]

That get the Santa's here, talk to us.

[Myron]

Does he have to bring his girlfriend?

[Andrew Tate]

Sure. We can all shake hands and I'll buy a big ass fat house in Miami and we'll have a great time. I'm not anti America in any way.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That won't happen. So you're not going to get that from me.

[Vinny]

You just brought up Trump and I'm going to ask Pat a question.

[Andrew Tate]

Sure.

[Vinny]

I think you should take a page out of Trump because you, you just sort of said that Trump is being petty. I think Trump is a different person this time around. I think Vinnie made might have made the best point of the podcast and I've never said that about Vinny. If PBD he does sound petty, emotional.

[Myron]

I don't think he sounds petty.

[Vinny]

He's not talking about. He said he deserves it. I think he has been wronged. None of us has been to jail. Cockroaches, rush hour.

[Andrew Tate]

Ricky Tag.

[Vinny]

Ricky Tang.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

Do you understand the words that are coming about all that? What one thing would you say, Tate? I agree with everything, but change this one thing, man. You.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You don't. No, no. At 39 years old.

[Vinny]

Well, you just.

[Andrew Tate]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Listen, you know, when. When you have a. When you're an alpha, strong personality, your life is what you've got, you know, like. Like the. The. The Clementa guy. Rob, who is the guy that said, you know, when I think about any of these characters myself, Tate, any of these guys pull the trigger. Let me pull this up. You see where I'm going with this? I always go back to this guy. Okay? I had this guy on the podcast, Jim Clemente, who was a guy that would. I talked about him the other day, three things, okay. He said when he interviewed serial killers, he said, genetics loads the gun. So part of that is genetics. Blood, personality and psychology. AIM experiences, pulls the trigger. This applies to all of us.

[Vinny]

Of course.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Like, pulls the trigger doesn't mean just pulls the trigger to gun, pulls the trigger. To starting a company, pulls the trigger. To leaving from California to Texas to Florida. That is a. Pulls the trigger, personality and psychology. Aim, it's my personality and psychology. It's his personality and psychology. It's Trump's personality and psychology. Then experiences, pulls the trigger. You know what? Here's what I'm going to be doing. You know what? I think I'm going to leave California and then, you know, the life I've lived. Personality, I just don't fit here. I'm going to go over here. I'm not in the business of here telling Tate what to do and what not to do. I don't want to go there. I actually want to transition to the next part here. And DeSantis is not going to come out and apologize to you, of course, because DeSantis is further right. Of course he is. Like, you know, in America and you follow this closely. Trump is a Republican, but he's more an independent.

[Myron]

Okay.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He's probably a center. Right guy. Yeah. DeSantis is here. DeSantis is not here. Trump is here. Trump can Trump, the other day, call Elizabeth Warren and said, hey, what do you think about this?

[Andrew Tate]

Because he's trying to credit. Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He's trying to kind of find out what's going on with the marketplace and Trump pretty much gets along with everybody until you call him out, then your enemy, then it's gone. He's coming for your.

[Andrew Tate]

Trump are alike. Yes, there we go. So basically, in conclusion, Trump and I.

[Vinny]

Understand each other with Sneako. In other words, he would have called him off.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He would have done that. But in other words, you're moving to Palm beach, if that's what you're saying.

[Andrew Tate]

Listen, guys, I truly love America. I'm truly an American. I want America to do well. I'm 100% a fan of the American empire. If we get rid of all the bravado and all the emotionality, I just want to be somewhere where I wake up with my children without worrying about getting arrested.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Can I ask you a question?

[Andrew Tate]

So that's all it is. So.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So, Tate, if we go back because I'm guilty. If we go back and we think about. By the way, do you know I found a message from you, you know, that we could. Seven years ago, six years ago, I don't know what it was. Do you know that, like you had like 40,000 followers, remember? And it was. Yeah, that's the point. It could have been eight years ago, seven years ago. But I remember watching, I'm like, who is this guy? What a freaking well spoken guy. And I think that's what a lot of people would say, like, who's this guy? This guy speaks so well. You hear him up. Good point, good point, good point. So what were the good points? Okay, you know, why would a man get married? You know, it's a waste of time and da, da, da, da. Man, female. Okay, yeah. Then it was Covid, you know, the government said Dennis Matrix. Then it became Israel. Okay? And remember, every argument goes like this. The cycle, right? Where would you say we are right now in this cycle of Israel? The topic of Israel, it's always the Jews. Jews are in charge. They're doing this. Do you think we're here for this new cycle or do you think we're here? Do you know what I'm asking?

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, I understand what you're asking. I think the Gaza situation was putting a huge spotlight on Israel that seems to have died down. Now the flotilla is gone and the bombing has stopped. That's a big part of it. But I do believe there is a huge percentage of the young male population which are so disenfranchised with the system that they're looking for somebody to blame. If you want to get someone on here to discuss whether the Israelis or the Jews are actually to blame. Well, that's going to be Nick, because I believe he's more qualified than I. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that young men are waking up in a world where they stand no chance of having any of the things their fathers had. They're never going to have a wife who respects them and loves them because their wife's on tick tock and believes she deserves a G wagon full of roses. And they believe they need a Lambo at 19. And nobody wants to work a job because jobs don't pay. And nobody wants to go to school because a degree isn't going to pay. And nobody can save up to buy a house because you can no longer compound your work in dollars. You can't go to work, make do an hour's work, put it in the bank, do another hour's work, put it in the bank, and save up to buy a house, because you're being outpaced by inflation, money, printing, all these wars, all this Somali fraud, taxes. You're being outpaced. You can't even save money anymore. So when young men are waking up in a world where their only chance to possibly get rich is effectively gamble on crypto, literally gamble, they're sitting here going, well, this system's broken. Who's behind this system? Why am I living in such a broken system? And there is a theory, and there's many theories as to who's in charge of the world or who built this system or why the system's so broken. There is a system. There is a theory that it's the Jews. That's why anti Semitism is going to continue no matter what Israel does, whether they stop the bombing or not, whether the Jews come on the news and shut this song down or not, whether they try and ostracize anyone who talks about them or not, none of that's going to change anything. As long as you have a huge percentage of young men who stand no hope in life. Because when you've always, in any point in human history, when you find a large subset of the young masculine population that have no hope, it's going to be a revolution. They're looking for somebody to blame, and they're going to do something. They're going to become radicalized. That happens absolutely everywhere. So if you'd ask me, where are we in the Israel conversation? I don't think it matters what Israel does or Bibi, what he says or what Trump says. I don't think any of that matters. When you have all these men out here who have no hope of building a good life, they're going to find somebody to blame for it, whether it's immigrants. That's what it is in European countries.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What would you do? You're 22 and you're 22 today.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Not, not, you know, 39. You're 22 today, and you're seeing what the market's going and your brain's going, you know, a million miles an hour. You consuming all this information, how would you position yourself when you're watching, you know, some of the influence? It's always the Jews, it's Israel, it's this, it's that. How would you process it to differentiate yourself?

[Andrew Tate]

Okay, so the first thing is, I think it's very easy to confuse finding someone to blame or finding out what's happening with fixing the problem. And I think there is. I'm not going to lie, there's definitely a large percentage of people on the Internet who are looking for someone to blame as opposed to taking personal responsibility to fix the problem. There's no Jew that's stopping you from going to the gym and being in good shape. No Jew is stopping you walking into a gym. So, like, you have personal responsibility and personal accountability. And in many situations, even if they're unfair, even if the game is rigged, the best thing you can do is say, well, these are the rules I'm playing within and I have to try and win and take absolute personal responsibility for everything. That's the first thing. The second thing, you asked what I would do if I was 22. That is a very difficult question to answer because I think we've moved into a new stage of capitalism. We've moved into this heavily financialized, this stock market bubble version of capitalism, which is different than the consumer capitalism we used to live under in the 90s. You got rich by opening a mom and pop shop or opening a factory. I make lighters and I'm going to sell you lighters and you're going to buy the lighters and I'm going to produce them and I'm going to make a profit and I'm going to get rich. But what chance do you have of manufacturing anything in the West? Zero. What chance do you have of competing with any of these large conglomerates or monopolies in the the West? Basically zero. If I gave you a million dollars in 1990 and said make more money, you'd open businesses. If I give you a million dollars and now and said make more money, you put it in the stock market. Or you buy Bitcoin. So you're a lot of the times just investing in the monopolies. It's getting easier and easier to make money from money and harder and harder to make money from nothing. And this is the problem with the world we're in, because young people have no money, so they're to make their first million is nearly impossible. But to turn a million into 10 million is easy buy and chill. That's it. So it's getting worse and worse. And this ties into what I said earlier about the fact that since 2016, we have trillions and trillions of brand new dollars, GDPs through the roof, stock markets all time high. Everyone with money is richer, but the country actually, if you look around, doesn't feel richer at all. The economy is actually worse than it's ever been. The real economy at the bottom, bottom, the rich are just getting richer all of the time. So as a 22 year old, what they are doing, what they're currently doing is because they understand this, they're all becoming radicalized. Some of them are finding people to blame for it and sitting and lamenting and crying in their bedrooms about the situation. Some are going, okay, I need to find a way out and are effectively gambling. This is why meme coins are such a big thing. This is why prediction markets are such a big thing. This is why online casinos are making larger profits than they've ever made. Because a young man understands $10,000 means nothing. I need 10 million, $10,000, nothing. I may as well just gamble it. 10,000 and zero is the same. So all the young men in the world today are just throwing their money away, trying to get enough money to turn that money into money, because that's the only way to make money. Now, the solution to all of this is extremely complicated. It's difficult. I don't know what the solution is. For me to answer the question, what would I do at 22? Well, I'll do the same thing I've always done. I'd become so exceptional that I can disprove the rule. I could say, all right, by and by, average is nearly impossible. Yes, the game is rigged. Yes, it's extremely hard to do. But I'm not the average guy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is that an evergreen philosophy?

[Andrew Tate]

I think it is.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think so. I think, I think the only thing.

[Andrew Tate]

You can do if, if, if everything that is told us, told to us about the Jews controlling America and the system being rigged, if all of that's true, the correct answer is still to get up, work hard, Be better than everyone else, try harder than everyone else does, and excel. That's the only answer. You can sit and tweet all day if you want, but it's not going to fix your life. So that is the answer. However, the game is certainly becoming harder because I can talk from personal experience. It is so easy for me to turn money into money and it is so difficult for me to find a business that makes me money. They're very. It's hard now, even for me, in this current economy. It's so easy for me to buy an asset and wait. That's the safest, easiest thing I can do. And this is the world we live in. And you know what that does to asset prices. They soar. So what happens to the young people? We're living in financialized capital. I don't think so. I think, of course you could always make money from assets. Of course you could.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But what I'm saying, buy and hold is a. Is a thing that's been around for.

[Andrew Tate]

A while, but, but the idea that you could open a business and make money from the business, I think that's become a lot harder now than it would have been in business today. I think it's harder to open America. It's the easiest. I think it's harder to open a physical business in the west today than it was 20 years ago.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let me hear it. Just to start a business.

[Andrew Tate]

I think it's harder to open a physical business in the west anywhere, not just America, in the west today than it ever was. I think 20 years ago you stood a better chance of opening a physical business anywhere. I think now, by the time you open anything, unpack that you're competing with conglomerates and monopolies. You can't sell phone chargers. You can't, by the time you take all the products, Amazon, sell all the products, Walmart, sell all the products, Target, sell. If you look at the. The amount of small independent stores that used to exist only 20 years ago, everyone's out of business. It's monopolized. Most things are completely monopolized in the West. So it's very difficult for you as an individual to go and start a company and compete, compete with these monopolies. You can do something online, of course, but this ties into what we were saying earlier. If you're trying to make money online, how do you do it? You need attention. How do you get attention online? Well, you can have life experience like all of us. You can go through a very, very difficult life and you can tell stories and you can try to be entertaining, but most people can't do that. You're 23, so how do you make money online? Well, you need attention. How do you get attention online? You're a clown. And this ties into all the problems with society by and large. This ties into all the crap we see with online pranking and these stupid things are going on and these TikTok videos and all this garbage and people literally risking their lives, setting themselves on fire to try and promote a meme coin. All of this is from desperation because young men do not see a way out of the trap. The, the system was very, very clear before. Go to school, get a degree, get a good job, save your money, buy a house. Nobody in good faith can say that that still works. It doesn't work.

[Vinny]

The game has changed.

[Andrew Tate]

The game. No, the game has changed. The game is broken and it's broken the reason. No, I'll tell you why it's broken. When you have a game where 90 of people playing it are going to lose and then you believe they're not going to be revolutionaries in some form or another, then you haven't read enough history books, sir. They're going to find someone to blame and they're going to burn it down. I agree with why is socialism winning in New York? I'll tell you why. Because people are broken. Joke. So they think, why would I buy into capitalism? Everyone tells me socialism so bad all the time. Everyone tells me that communism is terrible and mom dummy's terrible and I've read about the, the history. I've read about the communists. Everyone says socialism's bad. Well, I'm living in capitalism and I have no health care and I can't afford a house. So what do I have to lose at this point? You wonder why the socialists and the democrats keep winning. You wonder why they keep winning even though their policies are. You wonder why they win even though they put the taxes up. Because young people are completely disenfranchised with this system because they are poor on top of being poor, they're watching social media with people who are rich. Do you understand the envy this is creating? Do you understand that a young man can't even talk to a girl because he's not a millionaire. 19 year old men are saying to me, girls don't talk to me because I have no money. So you're not supposed to have money. You're 19. You're supposed to just be charming and in good shape and have fun. Girls don't want that. Girls want money. The world is Completely broken in the west now. It's completely broken. So we've entered this really dangerous stage where if we don't blame Israel, if they find something else to blame, it doesn't matter, things are going to burn. If you have a whole bunch of young men who are never going to get a family, never going to have any money, never going to own a house, they're completely disenfranchised with the system they live within. In if you read a history book that ends one way sooner or later, and we need to bring these people into the system. If we want to be capitalistic and all of us are capitalists, we need to at least offer the young people a chance to play the game. We can't say, capitalism's fantastic, communism is terrible, capitalism's the best, but you can't play. Here's my Bugatti. No one's gonna accept that for long.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who says you can't play?

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, they can't play because the rules are too hard. Because we've entered a new form of financialized capitalism. Capitalism where the easiest way for you to make money is to take money and turn it into money. And you know, I'm not an economist, I'm not an economist and I'm not going to pretend I am, but if you take numbers on a screen and turn it into more numbers on a screen, there has to be some. Someone's getting fucked there. It ain't me, because I've taken my money, done no work and turned it into more, but someone else somewhere along the line is getting wrecked for me to get more money because I turn my money into money without work, that is, you can say it's usury. You can say whatever it is. What I'm saying is the young man who's going through work every day, paying his taxes, struggling to afford rent, living in a town which is getting more and more crime ridden, living in a town with all these liberals who are turning to socialism and communism and supporting the Somalis and fighting ICE because nobody else has any money and everyone else is on welfare and everyone's frauding, everyone's stealing from the government, NGOs are stealing. No FBI raids on the Somali daycares. You're a young 20 year old man. You're going to work every day. You're struggling to pay your bills. Somalis are getting billions, billions from the government. None of them are in chains. You're told to continue to pay your taxes. Shut up. Like, how long do we think people are going to get fucked before they say no, this is bullshit. The social contract in the west, whether we like it or not, is broken. The social contract is broken. Young men who do the right thing are not being rewarded for doing the right thing. And we think they're going to continue to do it. They're turning to socialism because they're revolutionaries. They're turning to anti Semitism because they're revolutionaries, because they feel completely lost, because we've given them nothing. Even the most basic thing, f ck giving them houses and money. Forget that. They can't even get a girlfriend, bro. They can't even get a girl in Miami. The girls their age want men twice their age who are millionaires. These men are lonely, they are depressed, they see no way out. And this ends one way, whether we like it or not, whether we like it. So I'm actually saying as a capitalist, we need to at least make the capitalism game playable again. If I was president, and I'm not, and I don't believe I'm qualified to be, Trump is a million times smarter than I am. Trump's been through a bunch more than I have. I'm glad he's the president, but even he understands unless we can find a way to get people to engage with this system, it's going to break. It's going to break whether we like it or not. And that's the situation we're currently in in the West. To fix our society, by and large, to fix it, everybody needs to feel included within it. They need to feel like if I do the right thing for the society, the society does the right thing for me. And if you're actually honest with yourself, if you're a 22 year old man, like you said, yes, you can function on personal excellence. Yes, you can say I'm going to be better than everyone else. Yes, you can say I'm going to escape the matrix, it's true. But of course, not everybody can do that. Of course there's going to be exceptional people who manage to do it. And most don't. The majority of people, if you look at their lives and you look at the positions and the opportunities that are afforded to them, they don't want to play anymore. They're like, I don't want to do.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think that's a mistake. I think that's a mistake and I'll tell you why. You know, if you, if you lived in New York from 40s through 80s, you would have said, I don't trust the government. Why not? Look what the mob's been doing, the Italian mafia, they do this, they do that. They do this. You know, what happened to law, law and order? What happened to justice? What happened to this? I don't trust them. I'm going to be a criminal myself. I'm going to go sell. I'm going to sell pot. I'm going to sell cocaine. I'm going to sell. So people in Italy felt the same way. Because the argument that you're making, Tate, I fully agree on. There needs to be accountability or else who the hell trusts law and order? And sometimes I think America goes through that history of people that break the law, make money. You ever seen Russians that come here from communism? The way they view law? It's so weird. The way they view law?

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I had a relationship back in the days, and I come home one day, and the father was a phenomenal guy. Phenomenal guy. And one day it's. My car gets hit by this guy in palace in Hollywood. And I'm chasing this guy because he had a bunch of beers, and I realized he stole the car. So he hits my car. He leaves. Cops are chasing this guy. I'm chasing this guy for 10 minutes. I'm in an expedition. He's in a Firebird. So eventually I leave.

[Andrew Tate]

Wait, expedition?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, yeah, Ford Expedition in California. So this is 2000. Okay. I come home, I'm like, you will not believe what happened. He says, what happened? I said, look at the back of the car. This guy hits me, and he leave. He says, that's great. I said, what do you mean, that's great? He says, I'll be back. So I go in the kitchen, and I'm eating borsch. Phenomenal. Borscht. You've had borscht Russian. It's just the greatest. You age backwards, of course. When you do, it's so good.

[Andrew Tate]

That makes you strong.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You should have be 39 in a month. You should have her make you.

[Vinny]

My life that wants to make me bor.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Only if she knows how to make it. But the right kind, the wrong kind of Boris, you age, but the right kind of borsch, you age better. So I'm in the kitchen, and I'm eating borsch, and all of a sudden, Tate, all I hear is, wham, wham, wham.

[Andrew Tate]

I'm like, what the.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So I run out. I'm thinking, someone's beating somebody up. He took a baseball bat. He's hitting the back of the car like you wouldn't believe. He's shattering my window. He's shattering. He says, this is a perfect insurance case. We're gonna get $50,000. You're gonna be great. I want you to go meet this chiropractor Whiplash.

[Vinny]

What are you talking about, by the way?

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's the funniest scene, one of the funniest moments of my life. I'm like looking at him because this is a guy I loved, too today. I love this guy. And he's like, it's going to be okay. This is America. We're going to get some money out of this. It's going to be fantastic. All right. See, but that is not.

[Vinny]

Was he Somalian?

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, he's not. He's Russian. The point I'm trying to make to you is when you come from a certain place, you think that way, right? When you live in communism and the only way to make money is you have to do it illegally. We would all be criminals if we lived in. What do you call it? If we lived in. No, if we lived in Russia. But here's where I'm going with it. I think. I trust that eventually accountability is coming. It's never going to come at our time. But the partake that. I wonder if this is the right mindset. Right. Think about what message goes viral more.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You ready? One message. It's your responsibility. You can do something about it. You go out and read the book. Nobody stopped you from going to the gym. You make better decision. You stop using.

[Andrew Tate]

Which is my message.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I don't mess. It is your message.

[Andrew Tate]

I have my message.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It is 100%. 100%. We're aligned. It is. But you know. You know what? You know what? Like, you're in a room and we're watching people. Sometimes the best podcasts are with no cameras on because you can. You know what I'm talking about, right?

[Andrew Tate]

Of course.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Sometimes you're in a room and you're sizing everybody up, and then you catch the word and you said, ah, man, I was hoping. That guy's got that unfair. Unfair language. You're not saying that. You're saying if they're thinking that, right? Okay. If you even get recruited by the unfair philosophy community, you will lose decades of your life.

[Andrew Tate]

100%.

[Patrick Bet-David]

If you even for a slight second get recruited by the unfair community, and then you become a disciple or even a prophet or a spokesperson for that community, you will find millions of followers like this.

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They'll show up and then you'll be in a room, and you're like, why am I in this room? By the way, members here, these guys that are sitting here last minute we told them last night at 9 o'. Clock. So it's not like it's not a public nobody. Just so you know, no announcement was made. This was in a small group of 80 people and half our members that are not even from here, we just said, hey, couple people show up, they have to text. We didn't even say who is coming. So we got, you know, however many.

[Andrew Tate]

People here, capitalists who win.

[Patrick Bet-David]

By the way, do you know who were the members here? Do you know who remembers here?

[Andrew Tate]

I've heard they're good people.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They're good people, they're family people. But what I'm saying is they're like us. They're tough, they're strong family values. The only part that I go with this is if you listen to AOC's message, it's unfair. If you listen to Mamdani's message, it's unfair. Let's go to the other side. Did we print too much money? 100%. Who did that?

[Andrew Tate]

Help.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Money rolled up, Money never rolls down, ever. Money always rolls up. Because the top invests, the bottom spends.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So the top finds a way to invest. The bottom just, let's do barbecue, let's go to the club, let's do this.

[Andrew Tate]

And when the bottom spend, it goes to the top.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It always goes to the top. It always goes to the top.

[Andrew Tate]

No way to stop.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So, by the way, you know, Michael Saylor comes and we're doing a podcast with Michael. You know, I want to go back to you. Michael Saylor says one day we're sitting there and I'm thinking about the last 10 years of what bitcoin has done. Yeah, average rate of return. He says, whatever it was, it was a massive number. But in the last five years it was 39%. He says, let's say you got a company that's doing 10 million a year. If your company is growing at 20% rate every year. 10%. 20%. 10 million. 2 million. 14 million. 16. 8 million. You know, but it's growing 20%. Why would I put my 20 million, you know, my money into a company? Why not put it in bitcoin where it's returning me 39%. Don't even operate a cup. So guess what? These guys, he just bought another billion dollars of bitcoin.

[Andrew Tate]

I saw this morning, I think a.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Week ago or two days ago. Yeah, two days ago. He just bought. So you're right on what you're talking about. But these guys have been around for a while. You look at some of these guys, you're like how the hell did that guy all of a sudden have a 10 billion dollar net worth? How did that guy all of a sudden have a 3 billion dollar net worth? 40 billion dollar network. Do you want to go into the solution? Do you want to go into the solution? Like, what is the solution?

[Andrew Tate]

Okay, so Bailey, are you here? Is Bailey here? My camera guy. Could someone find him and tell him to delay my next appointment please? Because we're beer a while.

[Vinny]

I'll, I'll text them.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, please sort all that out for me.

[Vinny]

You know I'm texting.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, please, please. I appreciate that a lot. Thank you. I don't want to be disrespectful.

[Vinny]

How much time you need?

[Andrew Tate]

Let's, let's, let's say we could do two o'. Clock.

[Vinny]

But don't accuse a Jew of running your schedule here, buddy. Okay?

[Andrew Tate]

I just, I just want to have a good time and I don't want to disrespect anyone.

[Vinny]

I got you.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, let him know, please. I really appreciate that. You're right. What is the solution? And I totally agree with you about exceptionalism. And we put, we preach the same message and the only answer I've ever found, the solution is to become an exceptional person. But when you build a society, the point I'm trying to make is not about me and my message and my views. It's not about me and my life. I come from the absolute bottom. I grew up in Gary, Indiana, which was the murder capital of America at the time. And then I grew up in Luton, England, which I think might still be the stab capital of England, in a single household, single mother household.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is Tommy also from.

[Andrew Tate]

Tommy from Luton. Tommy, Yeah, I know him well. So I grew up in the worst possible scenarios and I managed to pull it off. And I have a fantastic life and I get to take care of everyone. That's true. But when you build a society, unfortunately, you do have to build for the mean. You have to build for the median. And if we have a society in which we are now saying the only way out is to not be average, then you're going to be outpaced and outvoted by all of the average people. You're completely right, Patrick. It is very easy to sit and say the world's unfair, the game's unfair, I'm going to make everything fair. Why do they get millions and millions of followers? Because there's always going to be more average people than exceptional people. So what I'm saying is if we want to prevent socialism from Completely conquering this nation. We need to at least give average people a chance in the game of capitalism. How do we do that? I'm not an economist.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's very complicated because the economists don't even know. Typically, it's guys like, no, by the way, of course, economies, economists, economists don't even know. They don't. They don't know it.

[Andrew Tate]

And we have a situation now where, for example, let's say I'm Trump and I have the magic pen, and let's say I can make housing affordable for young people so they feel invested in their communities. Let's not underestimate how important it is for young people to own a home because it gives them an emotional attachment to their community. They're now prepared to defend that community. They now have a vested interest in how clean that street is. They care because their house is on that street. If they're renting, it's not the same. And if they're transient, it's not the same. The Western world, America especially, was built on owning land. This is mine. I'm going to defend it to the end. We. I'm going nowhere. You're not doing that around my house, my family. So if Trump were to come along with the magic pen and say, I want to make housing affordable, you know what he would enter? He'd enter a war with all of the asset managers. He'd enter a war with Vanguard, BlackRock and all of the other rich people. Because if you make houses affordable, their assets go down. They don't want that. So we now have effectively, to a degree, a class war. I don't know the answer to these things.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Did you hear what he just announced? That he's not allowing. Rob, can you pull up that story.

[Andrew Tate]

That he's not allowing BlackRock to buy single family homes?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yes.

[Andrew Tate]

Amazing. That's why he's the best president of modern history. That's why Trump is a real president. But what I'm saying, if you are, you know, there's someone I was speaking to, and I'm not going to name names, but we all know who this person is and they have a whole bunch of money. And he said, andrew, when you look at the world, you need to understand that world leaders are just asset managers. They're the asset manager for the ultra wealthy within their nation. Let's talk about Venezuela quickly. Why did the Venezuela kidnap happen? I have a theory that Maduro did a deal, but let's assume that's not true. Why did it happen? Because the American government said to Maduro Play ball. He said no. They said, okay, cool, let's go one level below him. To all the generals who can't be bothered to die in a pointless war they stand no chance in. But more importantly, let's talk economics. You're a general in Venezuela. You've managed to be corrupt enough to steal six or seven million dollars across your career. If you get sanctioned, not only can you not leave Venezuela, you can't transfer money, you can't own assets anywhere else. Your dollars are worthless. You don't want this smoke, right? So it's Maduro's job to keep these people so happy with him that they don't betray him for their. For America. And it's the same everywhere. All of the leaders of every single country, their primary objective actually isn't the common man. Their primary objective is, is protecting their oligarchy, because it is their oligarchy to have enough power to betray them and overthrow them. This is the same in every single country. So as Trump, it's very difficult. How do I protect the billionaires? Because the billionaires put me here and the billionaires run the economy and they own all the important things and they own the news stations and they own all the gas stations. They own everything. I need them happy. But how do I do that without destroying their wealth and also allowing young people a chance to make wealth? It's constantly fluxing, is extremely difficult and hard and complicated to do. And there is an intangible element to all of this. The intangible is that we have a brand new thing that we never had before. And I would argue that this brand new thing that we all benefit from, social media, is driving envy to a level where it is literally impossible for a young person to fathom anything other than getting money today. And it's getting worse. Not only are people poor, they have to watch the rich all day. It's amazing we don't have riots already. This is a brand new paradigm we're entering and there's no easy solution to these things. I'm not advocating for communism. I live in Romania, which used to be communist. I hear all the horror stories. But even Romania now, they overthrew their election. The guy who won was thrown out. He was put in jail by the same prosecutor as me. Interesting story. They put in an EU shill. They're now bringing in 250,000 migrants a year and they've doubled the taxes. All the people are now starting to say, this is worse than communism because I can't afford this game anymore. At least in Communism, I could eat, I can't pay my bills anymore. What I'm saying is capitalism at the hyper extent is only going to drive the median towards socialism because the median can't play the capitalistic game. So we have to sit as intelligent adults and say, okay, how do we include the young people in capitalism? That's what we have to do.

[Patrick Bet-David]

True. It's so true. It's very true what you're saying with the affordable. I think the affordability is a real issue, but I think a part of it, Tate, my opinion, to really get it to go, it's like even right now, what he said the other day, hey, we're going to buy $200 billion of paper to cause interest rates to go lower. That announcement alone brought the interest rates for, you know, 30 year to the lowest in three years. It dropped about. Yeah. Trump announced his $200 billion bond purchase and bid to lower mortgage rates. Do you know what my opinion is on what we need to do long term? Which will never happen. Will never happen in America. Never happen in America. Not because of the election model that we have the benefit of. Monarch has over a democracy, a monarchy. You have to think about what's good for the country in 40 year terms.

[Andrew Tate]

Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

20 year terms.

[Andrew Tate]

Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Democracy. You have to think about. You got every two years you have an election, midterm, presidential, midterm, president. It's like, man, what can I do to please that audience and these guys and those guys. The truth of the matter is you gotta, you gotta let it take a hit for a few years.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Like, it's like if you want your body to naturally reproduce and you've been on all this stuff, you're, you know, Mr. Olympia competitor, you got to get off of stuff to let the body reproduce testosterone again. And the chance of that happening with any president our lifetime, it's not going to happen.

[Andrew Tate]

You're completely right. And we have to recognize patterns. And I wonder and I, and I'm worried because you study the fall of empires, right? You study how all empires rise and all the empires fall in the end and they all fall the same way. The Roman Empire fell the same way. Inflation, mass migration, disenfranchisement of the youth, young men not wanting to die for the country anymore, didn't want to join the army, all the, no one having kids, birth rates, all the exact same problems we have. You study it and you go, wow, maybe empires do just rise and they do just fall. How do we fix these things? It's extremely difficult. I don't have the answer. Answer. And nobody in human history has ever found the answer. It's extremely hard to find. But my worry is this. And I'm trying to plan for the future, right? I unfortunately, and I'm not saying this hyperbolically, you're trying to be a tough guy. I have a strong belief there is a chance at any random moment that I get blasted and I'm gone, right? So I have to plan for the future for my family, for my kids, for all the people I care about. The American dream is the number one thing that unified this country. The American dream is come here, live amongst people who don't think like you, who don't look like you, who don't talk like you, who have a different religion to you. More importantly, and this is very important, they have a different version of history than you. Your heroes are their villains and their villains are your heroes. You're completely different. But if you obey the law, you can get rich. And what we're starting to see is people wake up and go, wait, I can't get rich and wait. Nobody's obeying the law. So once you have that mass realization, once people realize that the laws in America, the courts, the judicial system, ice, the police, doj, FBI, all of them are at the very brink of their capability and they still can't seem to stop the crime, that the laws aren't working and the system is broken, that the American dream isn't real because most, most people don't get rich. What comes for this society? What's unifying us? Because let's talk about a country like Ukraine, which is corrupt head to toe, complete corruption. But I actually have to give credit to the Ukrainians because they've been through so much. No electricity, snowstorms, mass corruption, scandals, a war, people getting dragged off the street, and you know what you still see in Kiev? People waiting in line, you would not see. We, we can't have a hurricane without a riot. We can't have a hurricane without mass looting. When there was a eclipse, I remember when there was last an eclipse, three or four years ago, I saw something that scared me. For America, an eclipse was coming and all the countries were talking about where you can see the eclipse and for two minutes it's going to be dark, etc. When the American government posted about the eclipse, it warned people about the possibility of crime. At 1pm in the fucking afternoon, it's going to be dark for two minutes, you might die. Is that how fragile our society has become? And I'm saying this As a patriotic American, I'm not trying to slander America. I love America. What I'm saying is if the American dream holds us together, then it's very important. The American dream is real and it's not real anymore for many people. And this is why they're turning to revolutionary acts. Whether it be socialism, whether it be anti Semitism, whether it be just straight criminality. They think they have nothing to lose and we need to fix society. So the mean, so the average don't have that problem. I'll give you another example. People talk about birth rates. Elon talks about birth rates all the time. Birth rates, birth rates, birth rates. I have kids. You have kids. You can have as many kids as you want. Whenever you decide, you can have kids, but you're not going to have a replacement birth rate unless the average man can have kids. And unfortunately, the average man can't have kids because. Because the average woman wants stuff the average man can't give. That's the world we now live in.

[Patrick Bet-David]

How do you change that?

[Andrew Tate]

Exactly. How do you change that? This all ties into capitalism. This all ties into all these other problems. So Trump is trying his best, but Trump is caught between a rock and a hard place. Because if you piss off your oligarchy now, you have a whole new problem. You cannot, as Donald Trump or the president, no matter how powerful you are, piss off every rich person in your country. Let's talk about the Epstein list. Last time I was here, I said to you, Vinny, I said, the reason he cannot release the Epstein list, why is he doing a cover up of Epstein? I'll tell you all why. And I was right. I said, whether you like it or not, whether Epstein did wrong things or not, you cannot lock up or investigate or publicly trial the most powerful rich people in this nation. You can't take hedge fund managers and drag them to jail over something that might have happened in 1996. Your country implodes. Trump knows that. He knows he can't destroy his oligarchy. And different countries deal with their oligarchy in different ways. Venezuela's oligarchy sold them out because he didn't keep them happy enough. He was letting them steal. He was letting them all steal. But they couldn't steal enough because you can't steal more than the American government's going to send you. So they sold them out. Putin deals with his oligarchy another way. They fall out of windows. China deals with this oligarchy. Well, they'll take Alibaba off your ass. You'll disappear for three years and come back and be a communist. Everyone has to deal with their oligarchy. And in America, the nicest of the countries, we try to keep them happy and unfortunately to keep them happy, somebody's getting. And what I'm saying is, if we don't keep the balance, careful where the oligarchy is happy and the people in the middle, not at the bottom, but the people in the middle feel like they stand a chance if the people in the middle get too hard. A revolution, whether it be anti Semitic, whether it be socialism, whether it be communism, or whether it just be straight criminality is coming for this nation. That is a matter of time. Time. That is not a matter of maybe, that's a matter of when. And we need to fix that. If young men could get a girlfriend and buy a house, anti Semitism. Anti Semitism would disappear.

[Vinny]

No.

[Andrew Tate]

Yes, it would.

[Vinny]

Let me.

[Andrew Tate]

All this online hatred towards Jews would disappear if young men could buy a house and get a girlfriend. Actually, yes, it's that simple.

[Vinny]

No, it's not.

[Andrew Tate]

Because young men are not sitting. I would argue and part about what.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I'm saying is, is right.

[Andrew Tate]

Young men aren't sitting there.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I want to hear what you're saying. But. But he is. But he's.

[Vinny]

Can the guy who deals with anti Semitism weigh in on anti Semitism? Of course. For a second guy.

[Andrew Tate]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Vinny]

There's so much. You know what I love, by the way? Shout out to pbd. I'm getting messages fresh and fibla. Thank you for having this conversation. Thank you for. By the way, message to the Democrats. This is what grown men do who disagree. Sit down and talk about it.

[Andrew Tate]

Exactly.

[Vinny]

So thank God we have PBD to say, Tate, I disagree, Vinny, blah, blah, blah.

[Andrew Tate]

That's why we're actually friends.

[Vinny]

This is what it is.

[Andrew Tate]

That's the whole point of it.

[Vinny]

If the dinner, the six hour dinner and drink a thon I had with Tristan Tate was on camera, it'd be viral right now.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course.

[Vinny]

Thank you, Justin Waller, for that.

[Andrew Tate]

Thank you.

[Vinny]

But anti Semitism, I'm not even talking about that. That's here. That's never going to leave. It is what it is. It's been here thousands of years. What I want to focus on are solutions for young men. Because you asked, what can we do with the affordability problem? What I love about you is there's so much I agree with, with you and then there's so much things I'm like, shut up, Tate.

[Andrew Tate]

That's probably I get that. I get that.

[Vinny]

What's the one thing that I'm like? I know more than Tate. It's not kickboxing.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

It's not chicks. Maybe it's not, you know, world geopolitics. It is America. Though, of course, you haven't lived here in 20 years.

[Andrew Tate]

That's true.

[Vinny]

Yes or no?

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Vinny]

So the whole here, at what age did you become a millionaire?

[Andrew Tate]

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[Patrick Bet-David]

31.

[Vinny]

31. You beat me by four years. 35. How broke were you at 21?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Oh, terrible. I was driving a Mitsubishi Eclipse and I was in debt. 40,000.

[Andrew Tate]

Best days of your life, though. You know, me and Peter, let me.

[Vinny]

Tell you, a stomach is great, of course. And the best guy.

[Andrew Tate]

Being broke's better.

[Vinny]

The best part of being rich is joking. Remember when we were broke?

[Andrew Tate]

Of course.

[Vinny]

Pbd. One time we went and got water and lemons and sugar, and we made some lemon into it.

[Myron]

Nothing cut you off with brag, but I became a thousandaire at 40.

[Andrew Tate]

And.

[Vinny]

We could talk about me at 45. Had to teach him what a stock was.

[Myron]

No, he didn't.

[Andrew Tate]

He said Roth ira, financialized capital.

[Myron]

There you go.

[Vinny]

But what changed in that 10 years? My guess is literally everything. Yeah, your mindset, your connections, who you're hanging out with, Jen. Marriage, kids. Right. So for me, 25, I was my brokest friend.

[Andrew Tate]

Yep.

[Vinny]

Living on my rich friend's couches.

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Vinny]

Which was helpful. 35. I became a millionaire.

[Andrew Tate]

Yes.

[Vinny]

What age did you become a millionaire?

[Andrew Tate]

Around the same as Patrick. 31. 30.

[Vinny]

So there's a uniformity here. In your 30s is when you start to have money.

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Vinny]

The problem.

[Andrew Tate]

We weren't watching young men our age pull off impossible numbers.

[Vinny]

No, no, there's one guy. You know what percentage of 21 year olds are millionaires? 1%.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course.

[Vinny]

So you're looking at the one guy who's got the followers because everyone's on social media.

[Andrew Tate]

That's right.

[Vinny]

When I was 21. 25 in Miami. And I'm Jewish.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

I'm thinking, why can't I get all the money? Why can't I get girls? I didn't blame the Jews about you, of course. I said, I need to get to work.

[Andrew Tate]

I agree.

[Vinny]

And I moved out of Miami and I moved to Boca. Started up as a cold caller. Thousands and thousands and thousands of calls. And that was in 2007, right before the meltdown. Five years later, I'm pumping iron in the gym. Who do I meet? This guy.

[Andrew Tate]

But don't.

[Vinny]

And he tells me, hold on. He says, you're doing it all wrong, bro. You ever seen pictures of this guy? So the challenge that young men need to understand is you're not supposed to be rich at 21 or at 25. What age did you become a champion in the kickboxing world? Age.

[Andrew Tate]

What you're. I first became world champion at 24. But you're. But that's. That's. That's.

[Vinny]

And how many guys that you competed with wanted to become the champion?

[Andrew Tate]

Of course.

[Vinny]

How many?

[Andrew Tate]

Everyone.

[Vinny]

And how many became the champion?

[Andrew Tate]

1.

[Vinny]

So most men are average. And average men don't deserve the hottest women and the best houses. So here's my challenge with you.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah.

[Vinny]

You've identified the problem.

[Andrew Tate]

Yep.

[Vinny]

The solution needs to be handled a little bit differently here. And I think you'll agree with me. And then I'll make one last point.

[Andrew Tate]

Sure.

[Vinny]

And then I'll let the grip.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This is like a lot of.

[Vinny]

Oh, you're gonna not talk.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No. This is not home team. This is Tate.

[Vinny]

Okay.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You're treating it like a home team.

[Vinny]

Make your point.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And I want to hear T's point.

[Vinny]

Of course. But I want to pose the question.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Because it's an actual important question with a nine minute prelude.

[Vinny]

Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, no. Get to the point.

[Vinny]

This is my point. Would you rather get rich quick or build wealth slow? I want to build wealth slow. So we say future looks bright or future looks bleak. In my opinion, you have two completely opposite talented people. You have Charlie Kirk.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yep.

[Vinny]

And you have Nick Fuentes.

[Andrew Tate]

Yep.

[Vinny]

One says get married, have a family, have kids. Put in the work. It's gonna take you some time. Future looks bright. One says it's the Jews fault. This is what's going on. You can't buy a house. The deck stacks against you. Future looks bleak. They're both smart, they both have points. What's the solution?

[Andrew Tate]

Okay, great point. And I completely understand.

[Vinny]

Thank you.

[Andrew Tate]

But the point I'm trying to make. I know you're completely right. Anti. Semitism is on the rise and so is socialism. All these things. The point I'm making is that young men are angry and anger must be directed somewhere at somebody. Young men in the world today are very, very angry. And understanding a situation or understanding a problem does give a degree of hope. You're right, Charlie, God rest his soul, is, was an optimist and he was giving solutions. And it's the same solution that Patrick I, all of us give. That's completely true because we say, look guys, the only way out is exceptionalism. But if you're an average man and for whatever reason you don't believe or are incapable of becoming exceptional, the best thing you can do then is at least, if you're trying to cope, understand or look for understanding as to why you're getting. That's why Nick is popular. Not I'm not saying he's right. What I'm saying is people watch him and go. Finally it makes sense to me why I'm getting wrecked. It is for us, as you quite correctly said, I'm a 40 year old, should have been that fucking club for us as older men to sit and say, okay, if you're a 22 year old man and you believe the system screwing you and that's a very tangible thing, you feel it and you see it. You're looking for at least a reason why even if you can't fix it, who should I be mad at? The world now in the west is a very angry place. And the problem with the American dream, specifically, Specifically, because there's no such thing as a positive without a negative. Light and dark go together. American exceptionalism is built on the American dream. It's a great thing. But the American dream also has a negative. Because what binds America is money. And the point I was making earlier about us all being different people is that in other countries where the youth don't get rich, because you made a very important point, Adam. This is the easiest place in the world to make money. It is easiest place in the world to make money. And there's other countries where it's much harder to make money. So why don't they have riots? Because they think the same, because they talk the same language, because they have the same version of history, because they have the same religion, because they have a culture that unifies them. And what I'm saying, the west now, not just America, the West has become so diluted, our culture is so thin. There's nothing unifying us but money. All we have is money. That's it.

[Vinny]

Well, no.

[Andrew Tate]

So that's all we have. People need to be able to make.

[Vinny]

It individualism and not the warmth blanket of collectivism. That's what it is.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course.

[Vinny]

This PBD has taught me so much. What do you say about capitalism? Freedom to buy, freedom to sell.

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Vinny]

Freedom to try. Freedom to fail.

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Vinny]

You know who fails? Losers fail. And that's the problem. And we have this catch all, you know, welfare state that losers are allowed to be losers.

[Andrew Tate]

The average. I would argue. And of course I know nothing. I'm a dummy.

[Vinny]

I'm just a comedian.

[Andrew Tate]

No, I am. No, I am a dummy. I'm a dummy.

[Vinny]

Stop it.

[Andrew Tate]

I'm. No, I am. I'm just.

[Vinny]

Nobody believes you're a dummy.

[Andrew Tate]

But I'm just going through life just observing things.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

I live in Romania and I'll tell you something that I noticed something. This is really weird. I was in a town in Romania. It's called Cluj Napoca. I'm sure no one's been, but it's very beautiful, very safe town. They have no money for police, but it's very safe because culturally it's very safe. It's just a safe place. And if a song comes on, everybody, male and female, does the same dance. And then if you go to a town two hours away, say you go to brush off and the same song comes on, everybody does a different dance. All of the people in the entire city because they went to the same school, or they had the same parents, or they speak the same language, all know the. The same dance. To me, that was remarkable. I was like, we don't have that anywhere in the west where a song comes on and every person in the entire place, male, female, old, young, they all know the same thing. And what I'm saying is that if we all get. If they all go broke in Romania or Ukraine, it. They're less likely to go burn the whole place to the ground because they all know the same dance. Do you understand what I'm saying? In America, we don't. We don't have this here. And what I'm saying is if money is our game, which is the basis of American exceptionalism, that is a good thing. We need to at least be able to make or allow most average people to in some way play the game. I'm not saying everyone has to be a trillionaire, at least in some way play. And I'll ask you guys, because you know better than me. Adam, quite correctly pointed out, I haven't been here for 20 years. If you're A normal young man and you go get an average job, can you buy a house? It's a yes or no question right now.

[Myron]

It's very, very, very.

[Andrew Tate]

If the answer is no, all I'm saying, and I could be wrong, is that we have big problems coming. Because when women get angry, as we all know, they nag and complain and when women go and protest, it's inconvenient. But you know what happens when millions of young men go protest? It's called a revolution. That is what why the British government put me in jail, because I was an unchecked source of influence. Verbatim, they said, he has too much control over the military aged population. He can cause a riot, he can get Westminster burnt down, he must be stopped. And you know what? I'm so non emotional about things, I have to admit it was prudent for MI6 to write that memo and send it to the Romanians. It was prudent for them to sit and say, this guy could at the time, I don't have that power anymore. In 2022, I could have said Westminster, 8pm and the place would be on fire. And they didn't know my brain, they don't know me, they don't know I come across bombastic and crazy on the Internet. They thought this guy might literally burn it all to the ground, fix it. It's actually prudent for a government to wreck me as they did. I'm not even emotional about it, even though I've done nothing wrong. I get it. But what I'm saying is we have problems coming to America. The average 22 year old would start this whole conversation as Patrick asked. The answer, the true answer to the question is exceptionalism. But for a society, the social contract can't be purely based around exceptionalism because we've already seen it. Isn't New York? Wasn't New York the most capitalistic city in the world? Used to be. Didn't a communist just win? Are we all going to sit here and ignore the trend? Are we all going to sit here and go, ah, you know, and I, you know what I love about all you guys? And I love it, especially when Patrick says it on his videos. The future looks bright. Correct. The future is bright because we're not pessimists and we'll find a way and we'll sort it out. But for the future to be bright, we need to at least pay attention to where we're going. Our drive isn't bright if we drive with our eyes closed and we are heading Into a nightmare. And the nightmares because young men are angry, looking for someone to blame. So when I say anti Semitism is. Would go away if a man could get a girlfriend in the house, I argue that's true. Because these young men are furious and they are bored and they are at home with nothing to do and no way out.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I agree that the percentage of the complaining would decrease.

[Andrew Tate]

Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I don't know if it's permanently going to go away. There's always going to be the argument. Well, here's what happened.

[Andrew Tate]

People are always going to hate me for being half black.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yes.

[Andrew Tate]

I get Christian, I get white. These groipers and these anti.

[Vinny]

These.

[Andrew Tate]

These anti Semites, they message me who know you're out, you're black, your mom race mixes, who cares? But you know what? I never hear that from rich people. I only hear from broke people. When I get. When my yacht parks in Bodrum, my 42 meter, y', all, and I'm parked next to a black guy and I'm parked next to a white guy. You think we talk about who's. Do you think there's any racism? We're all rich. No one gives a. But if you get a whole bunch of young, angry poor guys, they're gonna find somebody to be mad at.

[Patrick Bet-David]

By the way, you said 42 meters to Americans. That's small.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Can you tell everybody what? 42 meters. 42 meters. That's a small little fish fishing boat, right?

[Andrew Tate]

Look, In fact. No, I'm sorry, guys, I must correct myself. No, I must. No, no, no, no. I must correct myself. It was 42 meters and I now have extended it because it's almost finished. It is 49 meters. And if it goes over 50 meters, I cannot park right at the front in Bodrum where I want to park. So I've done 49 meters for my yacht.

[Patrick Bet-David]

49 meters, 160ft.

[Andrew Tate]

Obsidian Blade, it's called.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is it available to see or no.

[Andrew Tate]

Obsidian Blade. If you Google it, it'll probably come up.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay. Obsidian Blade. This is not a little Lotka. This is not like a little. You know, I have the same problem.

[Myron]

With.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That 4 meters.

[Andrew Tate]

I don't know what.

[Vinny]

You know, my.

[Andrew Tate]

My original. There it is. It looks like a battleship.

[Vinny]

What the hell are you gonna Ukraine over here?

[Andrew Tate]

Look. Cool, huh?

[Myron]

What the hell?

[Vinny]

Well, bring it to Miami on your.

[Andrew Tate]

Boat, of course, to see Obsidian Blade is being built right now.

[Myron]

Dude, that's crazy.

[Vinny]

Yeah, that does look like. More like 42.

[Andrew Tate]

It looks like a Baltic 47, 49. Yeah, I'll say 48, 49.

[Vinny]

All right, Tay, we're doing a measuring contest right now.

[Andrew Tate]

But, but, but guys, you know, my first ever. I first went viral and my first ever, I guess war or my first ever contingent or my first ever complaints about society or complaining about societies was about men and women and dating and these things. And I do think, although in many ways it's juvenile to talk about, you know, a man going out there and pulling chicks and all this crap. It is quite a juvenile conversation. And I'm a 40 year old man and I don't really do dating podcasts anymore. I don't talk about these things anymore. It is juvenile, but it is also unprofessional for us to underestimate how important it is for a 21 year old to have access to females. Because if you completely remove their access to females, you're gonna have a problem. And there's a huge. I think you can look up the virgin rates on the. I don't know if you. I think you've said this before. Young, young men are having less sex than ever before.

[Myron]

Nick is the number one screaming guy and he's. I mean I know he's saying it because of his, his religion, but he's a virgin and he has that whole he.

[Patrick Bet-David]

If he wanted to tonight he get.

[Andrew Tate]

Daryl tomorrow for sure it would be.

[Myron]

The fastest eight seconds of his life. But it would, it would happen. But you know what I mean, he's inside joke. We'll talk about that later. Seven and a half but go ahead.

[Andrew Tate]

Many.

[Vinny]

By the way, what just happened here? This inside.

[Myron]

It's a pre story Andrew. I want to tell Andrew guys, I.

[Vinny]

Just want to all be there when Nick loses his version virginity will be clapping.

[Andrew Tate]

That's why I went to the club. I thought he was gonna get some and look what happened to me.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But by the way, you're right because you know when you look.

[Andrew Tate]

What's the most important thing in the world to you, Patrick?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Family.

[Andrew Tate]

What's the most important? Well, who am I prepared to die for? Now ask any of these successful men why are they still working when they already have more money than they need?

[Patrick Bet-David]

0.

[Andrew Tate]

It's the only thing that drives a man. So if you take away his ability to have family, he's either pissed off or what we've they've managed to do. The reason there hasn't been a revolution yet is because to instead of them being pissed off, they've managed to completely subdue them with porn, weed, video games and distractions. So then they check out of society. But either way is bad.

[Vinny]

I agree.

[Andrew Tate]

Either way is bad. So now you need to have a really. You will talk about complicated conversations. We're talking about making the world affordable. That's complicated. Let's have a more complex, complicated conversation. Let's have a conversation who's going to get me in a lot of trouble. It. I'm in trouble anyway. It Desantis.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And the girlfriend. And the girlfriend.

[Andrew Tate]

Listen, real, real, real niggs do real put me in J. No, no, but seriously, on, on a serious note, let's have a real complicated conversation. Social media. We talked about the envy and that's one thing, but you know what's actually the thing about social media that nobody talks about? Women are the mass benefiters in every possible way from the new social media revolution. And let's discuss why. Women enjoy being validated because they're human. We enjoy being validated with our success. We like to be successful. And people say, I know him, he's a successful guy. We like to be validated. Most women like to be validated with their beauty. And we now live in a world and this is very important for us to understand how this has changed the world. Women had a barrier. Women had something preventing them from getting unlimited attention before social media. And what that thing was was physical danger. If a woman dressed in a particular way and walked in front of thousands of men, there was a chance something bad might happen to her. And that prevented her from soliciting unlimited attention from men because she's going to put herself in a compromising position that no longer exists. Women can get unlimited attention or without physical danger. And that has completely changed how women view themselves. That's completely changed how society functions as a whole. I was on, in fact, I've been on endless podcasts with very, very average looking women. Women I wouldn't even touch. And you listen to the things they expect from a man. It's fucking ridiculous. It's off the chain. Ridiculous. And we now also live in a globalized dating market. You know this better than me, Adam.

[Vinny]

Yep.

[Andrew Tate]

Miami is one of the three cities on earth. Miami, Dubai. Any woman who's beautiful anywhere in America ends up where Miami. Any woman who's beautiful in Estonia ends up in Dubai. We have a few cities with all the money, all the hot chicks in one place and you're an average dude somewhere else. Every single girl's ignoring you. You have no access to the dating market. This is the problem with conservatism. This is, God rest his soul, Charlie Kirk's problem with his message, just find a wife. Just have kids. The answer to that is, all the women who will talk to me are slots, and none of them want kids.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

So we need a solution. The level below, we can't just say, guys, go get married, have kids. They're like, well, duh. You may as well say, just go get rich.

[Vinny]

Thanks.

[Andrew Tate]

How. How do I do?

[Vinny]

You're right. You're right.

[Andrew Tate]

We need the house.

[Myron]

But here's the thing, though. Are they okay? Are those guys going to look for those hot girls in Miami who are, to me, not Christian. They're not following the Lord. They're home hookers. Because that's what I think onlyfans is. They're home prostitutes making all that money. They don't need the men. I think Andrew and I know we'll get to that, because I want to ask Andrew a question at the end is, we've lost Christ. We've lost God. All the problems that we've been talking about is how far we've fallen from God. And it's grace. And guess what he's doing? He's letting the Prince of darkness, which runs this planet, Andrew, have at it with all the problems with money, with all the problems with girls, with all the problems with infertility, all this leads to a godless nation. And that's where we become, and that's where all the problems are rooted.

[Andrew Tate]

Out of 10, how much trouble do you want me to get myself in? Because if you say 10, I'll give you the answer.

[Vinny]

15.

[Andrew Tate]

You want 10?

[Myron]

I don't want you to know about the truth.

[Andrew Tate]

Will you write to me in jail? I will come, Let me tell you.

[Vinny]

Interview you in jail.

[Andrew Tate]

I'll Blackhawk down.

[Myron]

I'll come see you soon.

[Andrew Tate]

Here's why the world's. Here's actually why the world's. And this is why my first original war was against this thing. We could talk about godlessness. We could talk about capitalism. We could talk about all these things. I'll tell you what the world feminism, and let me explain why. Let me explain why, because, you know, I sit on podcasts and girls say to me, you say, men should cheat. Men can't cheat. Men need to be loyal. All this crap, blah, blah, blah. There was a time when there was a very simple social contract. And it wasn't too long ago, in the 1950s or the 1960s, you married your high school sweetheart. You had children. The man could pay for the house. His job was to go to the factory and pay for the house. She had a Job which was to birth children and take care of the children. It was bad not only for her to cheat, but he would be ostracized. Even he, as a man would be looked down on by society for stepping out of his marriage. That's how society worked. Did men break that contract or did women break that contract? Because it was feminism and women saying, I don't want to listen to my husband, I want to make my own decisions. I don't want to have children young. I want a Birkin bag and I want to go on Andrew Tate's obsidian Blade yacht. So I don't want kids. So let's get rid of this and let's let me make my own choices. By doing that, we have now built a society where most men are. Most women are chasing 1% of men and sharing him. And most of those men are so scared of the government, they don't want to give most of these women kids. So we have most women wasting their sexuality as playthings, running around the world for rich men being used as toys. Nobody is focused on family anymore. And men in the middle, the average man can't even get anywhere near a girl. And that has created all, all of the societal problems that we've discussed since it is feminism that has destroyed the West. Actually, if people were still focused on family, and I would argue that if you were to get 25 year old men and 25 year old women in here and say, do you want kids? The men would all go, yes, I'd love a son. It's the women who go, yeah, maybe when I'm older, not now. Women don't want to have kids and they don't want to have kids because they're holding on for a billionaire, which they saw on Tik Tok. It is feminism which has destroyed everything. And women have actually shot themselves in the foot with this because women say to me all the time, yeah, you know, you're advocating for men to have kids or have multiple women and all this blah, blah, blah, blah. If you believe a broke man doesn't deserve, then you believe a rich man deserves all he wants. You made that choice. You said broke men don't deserve me, so you said, only rich men deserve me. And guess what? There's less rich men than there are females. Welcome to the earth. You have built feminists. Welcome to the earth. You have built women. If you're going to sit there and have such unrealistic financial expectations from the man you date, you're going to share him, because everyone has those expectations. This is the world that feminism built. Feminism destroyed the west and every single problem. Socialism, the capitalistic issues, the home issues, the birth rate, the crime. All this crap comes from feminism. That's why my war originally was on feminism. Now let's talk about the next stage. Why did that get me in so much trouble? This is what's really interesting. Because as much as I love women and I'm not a misogynist, and I take care of every woman in my life, and I love my mother, and I have daughters, and I take care of all the women who have my kids, and they have security teams and Bentleys and mansions, and I'm a provider for absolutely everybody. I'm a very nice man. I like what women. Unfortunately, women are a conduit. They are used by other groups of powerful men to destroy the society we live in. Do you know what? Let me tell you something. I have this theory. It's the high, low theory. I think we've all heard it before. Who didn't get the vaccine? Billionaires knew better. And homeless people knew better. You get in the middle.

[Vinny]

Who.

[Andrew Tate]

Who doesn't pay taxes? Billionaires don't pay taxes. Homeless people don't pay taxes. You get in the middle. If you're really rich, it's true. It's true, right? If you're at the extremes, you understand things that the people in the middle don't. And I never grew up. I'm not a hedge fund. My dad wasn't rich. I didn't have a silver spoon. Unfortunately, I grew up at the absolute bottom. And I got a version of the world as this mafia, gangland, everybody out to get each other. And then I got to the top, and I was like, oh, oh. It's exactly the same. And you know what you do at the bottom? If you're trying to get a guy, you watch his girl's Instagram story, because she can't help but post the restaurant. She has to show off. That's where he is. Do you know what you do at the bottom? If you want to get a guy, you kidnap his girlfriend. You follow her. The guy, he's smart, he's hard to follow. His head's on the swivel. But his chick, she's wandering around. She's on her phone through her lipstick. That's how you find him. When the police want to find a criminal and he's hiding, they call all his chicks. This is standard operating procedure. It's the same at the top. How did they get me? How will they get any of you? In here, they use women as a conduit to damage people. Women are not evil. I'm not insulting women. I'm saying that the men at the top are using women as a weapon against other men. They're doing it on purpose, and they're doing it by even destroying the fabric of society. Benefits to socialists. This benefits them. That's why they're making women undateable. That's why they're pushing feminism. That's why they're destroying family. That's why they're completely, completely. They're growing the gap between men and women in society because they know that families are actually their enemy. Read a socialist playbook. Read Democrats. All they are is anti family. That is their number one primary weapon. So how do you do that? You convince women that having kids is wrong or having kids is somehow slavery or servitude, and in some way that makes you. That's embarrassing to do. You make motherhood, instead of being the highest virtue of a woman like it should be, you do the absolute opposite. This feminism thing, this whole feminism crap, the saddest thing about it is it's not even driven by women. It's driven by evil men behind the feminism who are using it to attack other men. Just like at the bottom, you use women to attack other men. It's exactly the same at the top. And it is feminism that has destroyed the West. And when you go against the feminism like I did, you get in a lot of trouble. If I told you you go against the vaccine, you go against big Pharma, you catch a case, you'd believe me. If I say you go against big women, you catch a case, you'd be like, what you do, you actually do. Because the people who are behind the feminism get very upset when you convince young men not to buy into this crap and to have standards for themselves and to try and push to have a family, that is a big problem for them because feminism is their primary weapon. Let's discuss why, and I'll ask you a question. This is a thought experiment for everybody here. If you're the king of your castle, would you defend it? If you come home and your wife prepares you a meal and your kids obey you and they love you, and they're not psyoped by YouTube and the school system, and when you talk, they respect you as the man. And you all sit around the table and you're the head of the table, and someone comes into your town, near your house, your family, you're the king in that house, household, you're going to defend it. But when you come home and your wife's nagging and you don't, and your kids don't listen because they're busy watching YouTube and they've gone to school and learned some crap you don't even like, and every time you have any concerns or raise your voice, your wife's just in your ear, nagging at you, pecking away at you, blah, blah, blah, blah. She deserves more. I saw on Tick Tock this girl had a Lambo. Why don't I have these things? Blah, blah, blah. Are you now preparing ready? Or do you feel ready for war? As a man? You've given up, bro. You're like it. Take society, take the road, take the street, take the town, take the country, Whatever. Leave me alone. Do you know what pushed Covid? Feminism. Feminism. This one go to jail. Feminism pushed Covid. A man came home, there's Covid. And it's really dangerous. Don't care. Oh yeah, but grandma and the kids and you know, you should just put a mask on to the wife, the women. I'm scared that because women, as much as I love women, not a misogynist. My judge in Romania is a woman. No, as much as I love women, Women, their superpower is emotionality, which means you can beat them with emotional arguments. Let's analyze Covid. How did they get you, Covid? Grandma. Grandma. Now, when they said grandma to me, I said, Grandma's 93 and 93 year olds die. So it's unfortunate, but grandma's old and I'm young and I have things to do. It's very unfortunate. This is the circle of life. Women don't think that way. But Grandma. But Grandma. But Grandma. Take the vaccine. Lock us in her house for years. Put a mask on, take it off when you eat, put it on when you piss with Grandma. Grandma. Emotional arguments. They do this with everything. Immigration. You sit and say, if you don't have a border, you don't have a country. Perhaps that's the number one thing that defines a country, is its border. But look at this kid, this kid at the border. A kid. Emotionality. So if you empower women to the point where they're more powerful than men, you now get to psyop the entire population with emotional arguments. You could throw logic out the window. So they have taken feminism, they've empowered women to the point where they're more powerful than men. And anyone sitting here who thinks a woman's not more powerful than him, go to divorce court. Short, you'll learn as Much as we complain about the patriarchy, women have more rights than you. They have more protections than you. There's not a single thing you can do that they can't do. And they can do a whole bunch of things you can't. A woman, take it from me, can lie to the police about you raping her 10 years ago with no evidence and take all your money and put you in a cell. Women run this show. They run it, and it is done purposely by the evil men who want women in charge. So men are scared of them. So when the women believe the emotional argument on the tv, they then handpick their man into believing it. And before you know it, we're all locked in our house wearing masks for three years because of Grandma. It is feminism that has destroyed the West. It is big women that has destroyed the West. And me talking about. Exactly. That is why I had to go sit in a cell. That's the problem.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let me tell you, when you said big woman, you had me. That was like.

[Myron]

He meant big pharma, big women, Women, too.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But.

[Andrew Tate]

But go on, please write to me.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Guys, let me. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Two things. I think, the more I sit there and I think about if all of these guys who wanted to do this and were behind it, if there was a number one candidate to take out who was making progress with pro family, with pro God, with pro kids, with finding a community of bringing the youth together, parents were bringing their kids and saying, look at this guy, what he's creating. He's saying, go have a job. He's saying, marry. He's saying, you know, have kids. The number one guy they took out was Charlie Kirk. He was the number one guy that was making momentum.

[Andrew Tate]

Correct.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Against all this stuff. And by the way, you know, you talk about God and, you know, Jesus and the role it played in Charlie's life, your life, our life. My dad would always say something. It's so interesting what he would say. He would say, do you see that man, how he is when his wife is in the room? I said, yeah, what about it? He says, you know why he's like that? I said, why? He doesn't make enough money. He said, the wife, you can tell he needs money. He doesn't have money saved. A man who has money and savings doesn't act like the way that man acts.

[Andrew Tate]

Wow.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That. And by the way, you know how long he's been saying this? My entire life. He would say, patrick, whatever you do, you know, go make money because men needs to make money. And provide and protect, because you want your woman to look at you, and you want that look, that look she.

[Andrew Tate]

Gives you where you feel a certain way.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He's been saying this for. He would literally sit in a room and he would say, look at the way she looks at her husband. Look at the way she looks at her husband. He's lost his manhood. It's. It's a very good point.

[Andrew Tate]

I want to put Patrick on the spot because I don't want to go to jail by myself. Stuff.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let's do it.

[Andrew Tate]

We don't hang out enough.

[Patrick Bet-David]

We don't hang out.

[Vinny]

Taking it with you.

[Andrew Tate]

We don't hang out.

[Vinny]

I already have the sign. Just in case.

[Myron]

Just in case.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I already started it.

[Andrew Tate]

We don't hang out enough, so you may go.

[Vinny]

But we're keeping him.

[Andrew Tate]

All right, well, we're all smart men here, right? So let's. Let's.

[Vinny]

Well, three of us.

[Andrew Tate]

Well, we're all smart, man.

[Myron]

Sorry, Adam.

[Vinny]

I got.

[Andrew Tate]

Have a conversation, right? If I want to convince you something of something and I need to use facts and logic, then I would argue that more. More than likely. I'm not saying it's the right thing, but I have some form of evidence to back my theory up, right? I want to convince you with facts and logic, so I need to find evidence. If I want to convince you with an emotional argument, like grandma or like the kid at the border, I don't need facts or evidence. In fact, we can ignore facts and evidence. So the logical conclusion to that is that emotional arguments are likely being used to push bad ideas because they have no evidence and no factual basis. And the other side, the logical, rational arguments, have some degree of factional basis, so those are likely the good ones. So the emotional arguments are the bad ones and the logical arguments are the good ones. Meaning that the emotional arguments that we're pushing towards feminists who now run their households and all these empowered women are the negative ones.

[Vinny]

Ones.

[Andrew Tate]

And the ones that men believe, which are based on reasoning and facts and logic, are the good ones. So we're going to do a thought experiment. Let's talk about the emotional arguments, and let's talk about the things that are currently destroying America. And I'm going to ask you, simple yes or no answer or the simple one? One of two options. Who supports these ideas more, by and large, generally, women or men? Who supports abortion more, women or men?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Women.

[Andrew Tate]

Who supports open borders?

[Vinny]

Women.

[Andrew Tate]

Who support socialism?

[Vinny]

Women.

[Andrew Tate]

So if you start going through all of the problems of America, everything that's destroying It. Who is the biggest advocate for these things?

[Myron]

White liberal women.

[Andrew Tate]

Women. Women are destroying everything. Put me in jail. Women are destroying everything.

[Patrick Bet-David]

By the way, started with the apple.

[Andrew Tate]

Now, I'm not saying all women. I'm not being. I'm talking in general. I'm not saying women are bad. I'm saying that. That they've been psyoped by evil men. I'm actually blaming men here. I'm not blaming women. I'm saying that women are the conduit. Women are being used to do the work of the devil via emotional arguments and destroy western society. Who is pro drag queen story hour by a mom.

[Myron]

The young moms. Yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

Who is.

[Vinny]

You name liberal women, you name anything.

[Andrew Tate]

Negative about western society that is currently destroying the place and ask who is the largest advocate for this thing, Men or women?

[Myron]

It is.

[Andrew Tate]

It's women.

[Myron]

Liberal women.

[Andrew Tate]

Every single time. And when you point that out, like I just have, you get in a lot of trouble with. Now, now, when that. When a female d A indicts me, there we are.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Well, he said DeSantis and his girlfriend. So I don't know who the girl.

[Andrew Tate]

That's why you tried.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But, but, but to go there. Tate, when I was first doing business, content only, and I wasn't touching politics, who would approach me? Business guys, you know, young guy, start a business. What do you think I should do? How do I raise money? How do I do this? The moment I said, kind of want to share my thoughts and my opinions about what's going on with politics. And this is like during COVID when I started be careful with the thing. Yeah. So once I started doing that, you know, and I talk about pro family and one of the clips I made was about LGBTQ community and what it was doing to America. You know who was one of the first people that commented on it? Charlie Kirk. Charlie said, hey, it's great to see that your content business, you're risking talking about this stuff. And Charlie, I interviewed Charlie in 2017 when he was 23 years old. And I told Mario, I said, this guy's going to be the president one day. This guy, he's 100% extremely capable guy. But I'm going to tell you, the moment I started talking about family values, the moment I started talking about what's going on with America, the challenges, the issues it's facing, you know who started pulling me aside at restaurants. We're at Hamptons one time a 94 year old lady come. I asked her age. Vinny's with me. She walks up, she Says, I never miss your podcast. He says, you have no idea how important you are. My grandkids watch it. Young men need to watch this because you talk family and business combined together.

[Vinny]

Together.

[Andrew Tate]

That's right.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I had more women coming up saying, we need more of this content than you would believe, so what's the point?

[Andrew Tate]

No, I know that's true.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. So the point. The point I'm making to you is it's extremely important to qualify. It's liberal women, of course, who have been bought into the psyop that you're talking about to win them over, and.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course, allowed to deal because liberal women are feminists.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What is a conservative woman like, actually think about a conservative?

[Andrew Tate]

Think, of course she live.

[Patrick Bet-David]

How does she live? Of course her life is very. Hey, husband's priority. Kids are priority. Community's priority. I got to pick up the kids. I got to drop them off. I got to do this. Family's got to be good. They're not out there trying to get everything that comes with it.

[Andrew Tate]

So you're completely right, Patrick. And the reason I know you're telling the truth is because. And this flabbergasts people, but I have never had a negative interaction with a woman in person in my life, ever. Women come up to me, and they love my content, too. But when you said conservative women, and this is the thing that might get us in trouble, I ask you, is a conservative women woman in charge of her man, or is a man the head of the household?

[Vinny]

No.

[Andrew Tate]

Okay, so we're now advocating for a patriarchy. We're now doing the number one thing.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, wait a minute. Let me correct my answer. Ask me the question one more time so I want to give the right answer.

[Andrew Tate]

Sure. Is a conservative woman in charge of her man? Is she the head of the household?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I don't think so.

[Andrew Tate]

So?

[Patrick Bet-David]

So I don't think so.

[Andrew Tate]

Exactly. So we're naturally advocating from a position of protectiveness, not from a position of authority, not from a position of oppression. We're actually advocating for a patriarchy, saying, look, we'll take on the stress. We'll deal with the problems. We'll pay the bills. We'll protect the House. I'm not here to oppress you. I'm not here to treat you badly. I'm actually here to lead. And a conservative woman lets a man lead. And that's the point I'm making, that these feminists have been told that a man should never lead them, and that is why they're led astray by the system. So to say things which are controversial and will get you in a lot of trouble. That's my job, so I'll do it. If men are by and large in charge of the households and in charge of society, it is much harder to psyop the population with emotional arguments. Which is why they're trying to remove man from the head of the household. So they can use emotional arguments to convince you to commit suicide. The western world is currently committing suicide and they can only convince you to do that emotionally because it's illogical to destroy your own society. It's illogical. So this is very purposeful. So when a woman sits across from me on any kind of podcast or a dating podcast or anything, I don't listen to no man. I'm like, you're not my enemy. You don't realize that you're a pawn on a board. You don't realize you're being used by my actual enemy, who's a man who understands very well how to destroy the basics of society so that we are open for the mass enslavement. Because if anybody thinks that's where any of this ends, with AI, with the riots, with the burning of cities, with the mass crime, you know what they do. There's only one thing, and Covid is the lesson. There's only one thing that humans will accept. A loss of freedom for safety. I will take away your freedom and give you safety. I can prove that because I live in the safest country in the world and I don't have freedom, but I'm safe. So even I will say, you know what, Dubai is very controlled, but I can wear a five million dollar watch in the middle of the night. And my, my woman and my kid, the young girl and a woman by herself can go for a walk at 3am so we'll all accept a lack of freedom for safety. When this all burns down, they're going to come back and offer us safety, but they're going to control everything. And that is why they are pushing feminism. That is why talking against feminism gets you in so much trouble. Because it is a weapon that is being used en masse to destroy western society. And any woman who listens to this and thinks that that makes me anti woman doesn't understand my message. Because what I'm saying is, look, we as being, you all know this better than me. Patrick, how many times have you heard people say, I want to start my own business so I can choose my own hours?

[Patrick Bet-David]

All these guys, all the time.

[Andrew Tate]

All these guys. Being the boss sucks. 24, 7 people who aren't the boss, they go, oh, I want to be the boss. Because it's easy. That's why they'll never be the boss. When you're the boss, you're more stressed, you have more problems, you have more to deal with. When a man says, I want to run this household, women have been convinced to believe that means. Means he wants to oppress her, when it's actually very much the opposite. He's saying, I want to take away all of the problems so you can focus on being the light in my life. There's a poem, and I don't know it exactly, but you'll have to Google it up. It's a beautiful poem. I think it was by a warlord. He's an Islamic warlord. Maybe a couple hundred years ago, he said, stress is mine, pain is mine, war is mine, but you are mine. That is the point of life as a man. So when we come along and say, I want to run the household and by extension the town, by extension society, it's not to oppress you, it's not to be mean to you. It's to actually protect you. And I've had these conversations with people. When I talked earlier about the 1950s and the people getting married and. And women come and go, yeah, but what if he beats her? Yeah, of course some men are pieces of shit. Of course there are some dickhead men. Of course 3% of men in 1958 were probably abusive and alcoholics and retards because people suck. But by and large, most men were just trying to pay the bills and raise their kids, by and large. So we live in this really complicated society now. Everything is really messed up. And if you were to ask me, because I've already gone too far to go back now, what's the number one problem we have to fix in the West? It's not the Jews. It's not even the capitalism. It's none of these stupid reasons people are coming up with. The number one problem we have to fix in the west is feminism. We need men and women on the same level playing field, understanding each other, not one above the other. Doing different roles, complementary, working together, creating families. And everything will fix itself. You don't have time to tweet anti Semitic all day. When you have fucking kids, you don't have time. You don't have time. That is why we see these fires popping up everywhere and we're trying to put them out. But you have millions, millions of young men with nothing else to do. What do you expect? Besides Fires.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's so important. Like, if you want a society, get safer, have a community of people that have a lot to lose. Bingo. If you want a society to be reckless and dangerous, high crime, people taking advantage of each other, have a society of a bunch of people who have nothing to lose. Bingo. Nothing to lose. You go out with people, you're having dinner. If everybody in that community has a lot to lose, you're safe. People are going to make good decisions. You go to a place with a bunch of people that have nothing to lose, anything can happen. When you wake up in the morning, you're thinking about, you know, like yesterday, I go to the game and I got Dylan with me. It's just Dylan and I. Tico is not a football guy. So I take him there. We're sitting watching a game, and we're going through everything I'm doing. It's all about what? Like, you have to. If I. He wasn't with me and I'm by myself, I'm going to a very different game yesterday. But everything was okay. What's he need? What do I need to do? Be responsible here. Think about this year because you got something to lose.

[Vinny]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew Tate]

You know what the worst thing about discussing these things is? When you realize how they all interlink and how they all compound. It's kind of like having health problems is worse when you're broken. Like being broke and then getting sick, they double. They compound the world's worst synergy. You know what the saddest thing about Irina getting stabbed in the neck on that bus was? And I tweeted this, and of course everyone hates me on Twitter because I tell too much truth. But this is the thing I said. You know what's sad about this? We have a young, beautiful Ukrainian girl who, instead of coming here and getting a rich sugar daddy, instead of being a whore, instead of doing only fans, she decided to work in a pizza party. She tried to be honest. She tried to do the right thing, and she caught a knife in the neck. So now we talk about society degrading because men can't find women. Well, now society's degraded, and now women won't be with a normal man, because a normal man needs you to have a job and he needs you to ride the bus. They want to be with me. You know what happened when Irina got stabbed? All of my women text me, thank God you'd never let me ride a bus. And I was like, well, yeah, but now, so what happens if you're going to be with a man you Expect him to have permanent armed security chauffeurs for you. Is this the new expectation of the average chick? Arena tried to do the right thing and died for it. Society, by and large was a contract between men. The society we've built was a very simple contract between men. I think a lot of people don't understand why society was built. The contract contract was this. We're going to build a world based on laws. I'm going to build a world based on morals and shared values so that if I leave my house, the other men will protect my wife from any man with ill intentions. If I go to war, you're not going to randomly rape my wife. And if someone attempts it, you're going to stop it. The whole point of society was actually built for us to protect our women. Society was built so that we didn't have to stand next to our woman all day with a loaded gun. And in many places in the world today, because they have no society, you have to do exactly that. You have to stand next to your chick all day ready to die or she is going to be taken advantage of or taken from you. The whole societal contract is I get to now leave you alone and do important things to build the world and come back and you're still okay. But that's now broken. That's now breaking because women don't trust us to build the society anymore. They're saying they want to change the society and they're based on emotional arguments and they're disintegrating society from the inside. And that's why it's emotional and not logical. Because the decisions they're making make them less safe. How illogical is it that women are advocating for things that make their own lives worse? But men aren't in charge anymore. We built the entire society. We're supposed to be patriarchal and evil. If you listen to a feminist. I've listened to feminists version of history. Men are patriarchal horrible creatures. We built this entire society for you. We did all of this for you and the kids. That's why we built all of these things. And we're evil now. In their version of history, supposedly we were oppressing them the entire time. Take society away and see what kind of feminist you are. Go to Yemen and be a feminist. Go up to a man in Yemen and tell him your ideas and you will soon learn. Feminism is. It's being used by evil men. Evil men are pushing it. And this is what's very important. Weaponized virtue is very important. This is, this is my Actual. This is my actual problem with Desantis. Because when I flew here, Desantis was like, women. We need to protect women. I've not been convicted of a crime. You're now trying to weaponize women against me. I've never hurt a woman, and I'm not convicted of ever hurting a woman anywhere on the planet. And I haven't even been in Florida. Why are you taking women and hitting me over the head with it? When you go to California, what do they do? Misogynist women, women's rights women. They take big women and they beat the masculinity out of you. You're not allowed to have an opinion. You're not allowed to talk animated. You're not allowed to get angry. You're not allowed to defend your society. You're not allowed to stick up for anything. You're not allowed to be Republican. You're not allowed to want your own kids to be. Think a certain way. You're not allowed to do because it's bad for women are being used as a weapon to destroy masculinity. This is very clear to me, and it is the end of the Western world. That's why I became public enemy number one, saying, guys, go to the gym. Stick up for yourself. Be a man. Unapologetically, that makes you a national security threat. When you're a national security threat, all bets are off. It's like being a terrorist. If I was in London when I got designated, they could have blasted me in the street. It's insanity. It's insanity. So when I sit across from feminists, they know not what they do. They don't understand that they're a tool being used to destroy the world. We built the world to protect them. And I'm saying, let's bring the world back to a stage where we can protect you. If you let men be in charge of. Of North Carolina or South Carolina, wherever it was, that piece of would be gone. He wouldn't be on a bus, because men will protect you from bad men. Women aren't going to protect you from the bad men. Your other feminist sisters aren't going to protect you from the bad men. Men are going to protect you from the bad men. But we have no authority left whatsoever in the Western world. We're nothing other than serfs and slaves to this feminist, insane gynocracy we live in. And it's crazy. It's so crazy, most people don't even realize that we're operating in three phases at the exact same time. Women are better Than you at everything, while also your equal. Watch Netflix. They can beat you up smarter than you watch any family show. The woman is smart, the mom is smart, the dad's an idiot. They're better than you at everything, while also you're equal at everything, while also a permanent victim of of you. If you do something or they do something they don't like, they're better than you and smarter than you, and also you're equal. But if they have sex with you 10 years ago and change their mind about it, you trick them. How the can a man operate in these three phases at the same time?

[Vinny]

You can't.

[Andrew Tate]

You can't. It's impossible. Yeah, we're living in an impossible society. Men are getting wrecked every which way. The men who get girls get rape cases. Most men can't get girls at all. The men who get married get drunk, dragged through divorce court. The man who tries to be a good parent to his kids loses to kid. Men are getting completely destroyed. If you talk about any of these ideas, you're a bad guy. I thought we had a men's mental health crisis, guys. More men commit suicide, more men go to jail, more men have more. More men die in war, more men die from crime. If this was the other way around, then it was women suffering from these things. You have any idea the breakdown society.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Would have been talking about this? Have you stop intentionally talking about.

[Andrew Tate]

I don't. This is the first time I've talked about any of this stuff in years. So it just puts me in jail.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But by the way, here's the question. Why don't. There's nothing you said to me right now that was out of line.

[Andrew Tate]

I'll tell you what. Tomorrow the BBC is going to print Andrew Tate, misogynist, sits on Patrick Bet David podcast and says that men should control women. And they're going to paint this narrative. That's what they're going to do. Then they're going to get an all female jury and they're going to put it in front of a bunch of women, a bunch of girls, and they're going to put them all over the TV and they're going to say how dangerous I am. And my ideas are dangerous because they're convincing young men to do dangerous things. Then they're going to find a woman who was randomly attacked and stabbed to death by a migrant and they're going to say, I did it. The British government's already done this. Look it up. Crime against women is bad because of Andrew Tate. They're going to Find a migrant from Sudan who stabs a random woman to death, and they're going to say it's because of me on podcasts with my ideas, even though it's nothing to do with me. And they're going to use it to hit me over the head and put me in jail. You can look this up right now. The BBC already prints it. That's why if I talk about these things, that's why I said, out of 10, how much trouble am I going to get in? Yeah, I'm actually genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, trying to protect my daughters. I'm actually trying to explain that now the safest place for my daughters to live is a patriarchy. The uae. Why? I want my daughters safe. I want the mothers of my kids safe when I'm not next to them with a weapon. And that only seems to happen in patriarchal societies. So I'm not the bad guy here. I have a bunch of women in my life I love and care about, and I truly believe that it is my job to protect them. And if it's my job to protect you, I must have some degree of authority over the society we live in and some authority over you. If it's my job to protect you and you're my wife and I say, don't walk alone at night at 4am Am I oppressive? I'm trying to protect you. That's all I'm trying to do. But as I said, there are very, very powerful men which have huge vested interest in feminism and they're using it to destroy society. Who just got shot for trying to run over an ICE officer.

[Myron]

A lesbian, feminist, liberal white woman.

[Vinny]

Yeah, of course.

[Andrew Tate]

There we are.

[Vinny]

Well, Tate, I believe that this is when you're at your best. And the fact that you would get arrested for speaking the truth or get shot in the neck for speaking Charlie Kirk is exactly why they don't want you speaking. And I believe that men and women are better together. Or you've seen the hat that make women women again. So what I want to understand is, like, what? What's the answer? Because the answer is certainly not.

[Patrick Bet-David]

We got 10 minutes. 10 more minutes. I'll wrap up.

[Vinny]

The answer is certainly not feminism and wokeism, but the answer is certainly not keeping your women in hid jobs. So which one is it?

[Andrew Tate]

Correct. Right. So we need to be complementary. Like. Like any. Like any relationship. All relationships in the world are transactional. You're all friends because it's a transactional relationship. Business relationships are transactional. Friends. Friends are transactional. Male to male relationships are transactional. Geopolitics is transactional. When Europe is now currently pissing their pants about Greenland being retards crying their eyes out, they don't understand the international law means nothing. Pieces of paper that are printed means nothing. If we want to kidnap the president of Venezuela, we're going to do it because we're America. That's what it is. It's transactional. It wasn't a forever war. It wasn't trillions of dollars in dead American people. No, it was 45 minutes. Collect the oil in and out. Bang. Makes sense. Everything is transactional. There has to be a clear social contract between men and women. A transaction in the 1950s. I just described it. I'll give you a house, a white picket fence. I'll make sure the bills are paid. You're not going to stress me out. I'm the head of this household. The children are going to be raised with our ideals, primarily my ideals. And we're all going to do our jobs. Just like any company. You hire members of staff to do their job. You don't want people who are in charge of what one thing doing something else. And you don't. Otherwise everything collapses. So we no longer have a clear transaction between men and women. Women expect. The modern woman in Miami expects you to give her endless money for no reason while she goes and parties with the girls as much as she wants, while she's not even loyal to you and doesn't give you offspring and you pay all her bills and she goes on social media looking for another rich man. That's what she believes should happen. That's got to transaction.

[Vinny]

But take. That's on the man. No, that's on the man to say no.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course. Of course.

[Vinny]

We're not playing that game.

[Andrew Tate]

Of course it is.

[Vinny]

And find a woman who is willing to. If you have status and money, if.

[Andrew Tate]

You'Re the best man, you can do that. But the average man can't. And we have. We have to build society. We have to build society in a way that the average man stands a chance. Let me give an example. Let me give a very simple example. When you make laws, you always have to consider the average and the mean. Why is there speed limits? There are speed limits because most people are stupid or slow or distracted or they have an old crap car. You don't get to say the speed limit is 50. But if you have a Ferrari with carbon ceramic brakes and you're a trained race driver, you can break the speed limit because then you can't Enforce the speed limit. You have to make laws based on the average capability of people. So we need to build a social contract between men and women that allows the average woman and the average, average man to coexist and both benefit. Be happy with the transaction. You know, a lot of people believe in love as this fairy tale magical sparkle. You know, it's like the movies, like the books. Love is actually, truthfully, very transactional. If a woman loves. If a woman goes, you only love Andrew because he gives you a big house and pays all the bills and keeps you safe and cheers you up when you're sad and give. Gives you a car and makes you happy with surprises. And he only loves you because other men don't talk to you and you're beautiful and you give him kids. That's not real love. No, that is real love. Yeah, that's actually love. Right? This idea that we're in love. No, there's no transaction. It's just like the movies. That's. It's actually all transaction.

[Vinny]

Exactly.

[Andrew Tate]

So we've now gone so hyper transactional that women are on only fans or walking around on Instagram saying, saying, buy me a Birkin for a date. What I'm saying is we need to build. And I'm not saying I know everything, I'm identifying the problem. We need to build a social contract in which the average woman is happy with what's being provided to her by the average man and vice versa. If we do that, everything's fixed. And the easiest way to do that, I would argue, is to stop convincing young women to hate men. At least. At least don't convince young women to hate all men. That's a good stop. Starting point. If we can do at least that, then we might be able to convince people to come together. Because society is based on men and women. When they call me a misogynist. How am I misogynist if I take care of every woman in my life and I'm trying to have as many children as possible? If I was a misogynist, I wouldn't talk to girls. So it's a lie. It's a lie. It's weaponized virtue they're using to try and destroy my message. And this is very important when you understand when people are accused of things. The primary objective of an accusation is to distract you from a guy's ideas. When people say Andrew Tate, they're not going to say Andrew Tate and his ideas. They now say Andrew Tate and his accusations. That is the goal. The goal is to take everyone's mind away from what I say and more about what I'm accused of. I can accuse you of being a ham sandwich. Who gives a. You're not ham sandwich. It doesn't matter. This is the world we live in. So I think, truthfully, to fix Western society or we have to heal the gap between men and women. And it can't just be for beautiful baddies in Miami and all us millionaires, we have a great time. It's fine for us. But if you want society to function, it has to be for the average man and the average woman. When we fix that, everything, even anti Semitism, will decline. Everything.

[Patrick Bet-David]

All right, so, Tate, based on what you're saying, my interpretation of what you're saying is Andrew's moving to Miami. His boat is coming out to Miami. There's a big party going on tonight in Miami on his boat.

[Andrew Tate]

Yeah, sure.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You're all not invited. Okay. It's not going to fit. But no, this is. This. This is the tape. And I don't know why you stopped talking about this stuff. And it makes sense what you're saying, but to me, it's also a more clear, defined argument today than even four years ago. Yeah, it's toned down in one side that you would add four years ago, which was more sensational and it was more entertaining. But this is pure logic. You don't agree with it, go debate it.

[Andrew Tate]

You know what, guys? I have to give. I like to believe I'm logical enough to give credit to my enemies, and I have to give credit to my enemies. They are so vindictive and conniving and smart. They will take this podcast. They will find three seconds. They will put the clip everywhere. They will take it out of context. They will print in the mainstream media. They will get lawyers to start saying, I need to go to jail. They'll get Keir Starmer in the. In the parliament tomorrow, mps will start saying, I'm the reason that women get raped by random migrants. They're going to hit me with new criminal cases. Hate speech. They're go, I'm only a man. I'm just a man, guys. And I'm not sitting here trying to be Superman. It gets to a point where your enemy is so conniving and so powerful, and they're hitting you with so many bullets. And then you log into Twitter and there's some dipshit who goes, you're a misogynist. It's like, who am I even trying to help? These men believe the matrix that's destroying them. Who am I Even trying to save you get beaten down. You know, in my whole four years and all the four years of crap I went through, there was one hour where I really felt it. Because my mind is strong. I can deal with things, but there was one hour where I really felt it. Long story short, I'd already been to jail in Romania. I'm out on house arrest. I got arrested again by the Romanians, had another criminal case, got out on house arrest again. Luckily, I'm not back in jail. The Brits issue a warrant. International arrest warrant. 2009 assault. Doesn't say who, doesn't say where, doesn't say when. He's under. Unhappy with the Romanians failing. They said, give him to us. The Romanians were said, no, not till this criminal case in Romania is done, we're not going to extradite into England. I went home and I was like, I'm on house arrest. I've been locked in my house for two years. Before that, I was in jail. I've not been convicted of any crime. I have 21 charges in the most corrupt judicial system in Europe. Whether I go to jail or not, after this is all done, whether I do 10 years in Rohova where people get stabbed to death every single day, or I bust case. Either way, I get then sent, sent to England, remanded Belmarsh, and have to face this all again. The next decade of my life is house and jail and court because I said that men and women should work together. And you get to a point, Patrick, where you think, what the fuck am I fighting for? You do. I'm a man. Now, if. When I tell you the whole one and a half hour story, you'll see Providence was on my side. Perhaps God loves me. Perhaps I have a mission. I don't know. But there was a point where the idea that I would be in Miami was completely unfathomable. I'm looking at 50 criminal charges, and I'm sitting there like, this is all because I was deemed a national security threat for telling young men to stick up for themselves. And I'm telling you what broke me. What breaks you isn't the government. And what breaks you isn't the. What breaks you is when you log into Twitter or some. Some guy you were trying to help. You know what breaks me? When you people go, well, the Romanians said, guys, the Romanians are liars. If you believe that shit and I'm trying to help you, what the fuck am I talking for? You do. And you know what? I said this to Tristan you know who must suffer from this the most? Our president. Imagine trying to fix America and reading the bullshit they write. Do you have any idea how it feels to be Trump? To be doing your best trying to fix America and seeing all these fucking clowns call you names, insult your family, wish you you got killed, laugh when Charlie's killed. You must just be like, who the am I even trying to help now? And you wonder why billionaires sell out to globalists and go, it enslave them. You wonder why billionaires don't just do the deal and go, yeah, it enslave them. I'm going on my boat. You wonder why most rich people just give up. I'm telling you, the reason I stopped talking about these things is because you get to a point where they're hitting you so hard and they're not done with me. The chance of me going to jail in the next 10 years is somewhere around 100%. And it's not because I've done anything wrong. It's because I'm convincing. And when you understand the world, you understand that every single thing on the planet is nothing other than a battle for influence. The media, which no one pays for, is funded by governments to influence you. Putin is in Ukraine right now with tanks and men shooting each other so that he can get control of territory. Why? So he can influence the people in that territory. What currency they use, what news they listen to, what language they speak. Everything's about for influence. And if you're one guy like me who can get more views than the BBC, they're gonna shut you up. They're gonna shut you up. So the reason. I haven't talked about this for a very long time, and I decided to today. I at least hope when future problems come my way, you guys remember this particular day because it's because of this. This is exactly why. This is the number one topic, 100%. This is why every single time. This is why. And they put me in front of a female judge and a female prosecutor, and they say I'm a misogynist and I don't respect women and that I'm the reason women get raped and attacked when I have done nothing but advocate for the safety of women this entire podcast, and that I'm toxic and that I'm the reason that women aren't safe in society and that I must be put away and I have to stand there and try and defend myself. And it's nearly impossible because I don't have five hours in court. I get three minutes to tell My side of the story and then they throw me back in a cell. So that's why I haven't spoke about this subject. And I'm hoping enough. You know, one of the reasons I made a conscious decision to talk about it today, because I didn't do this haphazardly. I thought about it. I like to believe, and I don't want to take credit or be arrogant. I like to believe that me personally, as an individual, me, I have shifted the Overton window heavily since I became famous. Things I was saying that were considered sensationalist at the beginning, like men drive better than women, for example, as a joke that literally blew the world apart with mainstream news. Now everyone's saying, now everyone's like, chicks can't drive. I'm like, see, I've shifted the Overton window. And perhaps, yeah, maybe I. I've shifted it enough for very important people in the American administration to watch this and go, you know what? He is misunderstood. You know what? We do need to call here and say, you can't get this guy for hate speech for 25 years for having these opinions. Enough is a enough. This is my gamble that powerful people in the world will see that I'm not this big, evil, toxic, misogynistic human trafficker, that Ron Desantis is a and watched too much Romanian tv, and that I'm actually completely misunderstood. But if I gambled wrong, I'm in a whole bunch more shit. And I'll see you guys. Well, Patrick ain't, probably ain't gonna join me. I didn't get him. But I look forward to all of your letters and I'll do my best to write back. And that's how it's gonna go.

[Patrick Bet-David]

There you go. That's Andrew Tate for you. And when you're saying chicks don't know how to drive, this guy also doesn't know how to never lend them a car. If you lend them a car.

[Andrew Tate]

Too many women all the time rubbing off on him.

[Vinny]

By the way, I will be able to drive your 49 meter yacht boat.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Don't do it. It's going to be chaotic anyways, Andrew, as usual, I don't know, this is fourth or fifth time. I don't know what it is.

[Andrew Tate]

Fourth.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This is the fourth time that we've done.

[Vinny]

Dude, I got so much love for you and I appreciate you, brother.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And I, I see a. I see somebody in the audience. I don't want to say his name, but what a handsome looking, James Bond looking guy.

[Myron]

Oh, I see him.

[Vinny]

Can you make a cameo guy.

[Andrew Tate]

He came here to shut me up. He probably, like. He's probably rushing over going, andrew, no. So sorry.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Don't say that. Anyway, see you in jail. Yeah. By the way, Ricky, to everybody that's here that you wish you were in the room. Because we got people on that room. You want to learn more about the boardroom, go to the boardroom Cigar lounge. We'll put the link below. Fill out the information formation. Everybody goes through background check. Maybe we'll have you be a member as well. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye, bye. Bye, bye.