Australian Pastors WARN Islam's Invasion, Bondi Beach & Censorship | PBD Podcast | Ep. 704

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PBD Podcast Episode 704 Summary:

Australian Pastors WARN Islam's Invasion, Bondi Beach & Censorship
Published: December 20, 2025

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Overview of Episode

This episode features Patrick Bet-David in conversation with special guests Martin and Millicent (Millie) Cedra, Christian pastors from Australia who discuss the recent terror attacks at Bondi Beach, the rise of radical Islam in the West, religious persecution, free speech, and the transformation of Australia’s societal and spiritual landscape. The Cedras, originally from Egypt, share their testimony of surviving threats by the Muslim Brotherhood before immigrating to Australia. The episode deeply explores issues of religious freedom, immigration, multiculturalism, and the perceived incompatibility between Islamic ideologies and Western values, especially Christianity. The hosts and guests voice strong criticism of Australia's political leadership and offer a theological lens on Western cultural decline.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bondi Beach Terror Attack and Its Aftermath

• Details of Attack:
  • Recent incident where a father and son killed 15 people, with victims aged 10 to 87 ([00:00], [11:31], [12:20]).
  • Discussion of failed follow-up attacks, and a related incident with seven Muslims allegedly planning another attack ([25:57]).
  • The suspects were reportedly trained abroad and had ties to extremist organizations ([14:24]).
• Public & Political Response:
  • The hosts and guests question Australian gun laws, pointing out civilians’ inability to defend themselves ([28:12], [29:31]).
  • Criticism of government focus on “right-wing extremism” over Islamic threats ([20:07]), and condemnation for inaction against anti-Semitic rhetoric ([21:00]).

2. Martin & Millie Cedra’s Testimony: Survival and Evangelism

• Background:
  • Martin describes his family’s persecution as Christians in Egypt, including failed attempts to kidnap and behead his brothers by a terror cell ([02:58]–[08:49]).
  • Testimony includes claimed miracles and conversion of a terrorist leader ([07:21]).
• Faith and Mission:
  • The Cedras express boldness in preaching despite threats and highlight Christian martyrdom as a catalyst for church growth.
  • Both committed early in life to “advance the kingdom” and now conduct ministry globally ([09:56]–[10:56]).

3. Islam and Immigration Criticisms

• Pattern of Attacks and Growth:
  • Martin claims acts of violence are not acts of “radical Islam” but “faithful Islam,” citing the Quran and Sharia as driving ideology ([13:31], [14:12]).
  • Emphasizes that Muslim immigration to the West is tantamount to “invasion” and not mere multiculturalism ([22:54]).
  • Argues Muslims do not assimilate and instead aim to establish Sharia law.
• Immigration Policies:
  • Australia’s intake of 250–300k immigrants per year (population ratio discussed).
  • Contrast made between assimilation of Christian immigrants and those described as importing anti-Western sentiment.
  • “You are committing suicide and they are using our democracy to slit our throat.” – Martin ([24:05], [24:42], [73:30])
• Women's Rights and Sharia Law:
  • Strong condemnation of the treatment of women under Islam, pointing to forced coverings, harsh requirements for prosecuting rape, and sexual violence ([65:29]–[70:53]).

4. Free Speech, Law, and Censorship in Australia

• Censorship Laws:
  • Discussion of new hate speech reforms and past police visits to the Cedras’ church after sermons critical of Islam ([18:43]–[19:41]).
  • The government is described as targeting Christian preachers rather than Muslim imams inciting violence.
• Gun Laws:
  • After the Port Arthur massacre, extremely restrictive firearm policies were introduced ([28:12], [29:31]).
  • Guests argue criminals still obtain weapons, leaving law-abiding citizens unable to defend themselves.

5. Secularism, Christianity, and LGBTQ+ Issues in Australia

• Moral Decline:
  • The shift from a Christian-majority to a secular/Athiest-leaning nation is discussed ([44:54]–[46:46]).
  • LGBTQ+ rights and anti-conversion laws are criticized. Praying for someone struggling with homosexuality is criminalized under recent acts ([43:59], [44:01]).
• Cultural Symbolism:
  • Changes in public celebration contrast Christian heritage (“Eternity” on the Harbour Bridge in 2000 vs. rainbow lighting for World Pride 2023) ([45:05]).
  • The guests interpret societal changes as a consequence of “removing God” from public life.

6. Muslim-Western Relations: Debate, Double Standards, and the Case for Restriction

• Incompatibility Thesis:
  • Arguments are made for why Islam is “incompatible with the West” – focus on lack of free speech, subjugation of women and minorities, and militant expansion ([52:08], [53:52], [57:52]).
  • Analogy: “Muslim immigration is like bringing a lion and putting it in a cage with lambs.” – Martin ([54:07])
• Calls for Policy Change:
  • Some propose travel bans, citizenship revocations, and stricter immigration controls on Muslims, referencing statements by U.S. politician Randy Fine and Donald Trump ([50:42], [52:08]–[55:39]).
• Notable Double Standards:
  • Points on religious freedom: Muslims are free to practice and proselytize in Western countries, while Christians face persecution and death in Muslim-majority countries ([36:05], [37:48]).

7. Comparing Islam and Christianity

• Morality & Theological Differences:
  • Several contrasts drawn between Jesus and Muhammad—on violence, sexual ethics, attitudes toward women, and attitudes toward enemies ([77:03]).
  • Islam described as “a political movement, not a religion.”
• Feminist Critiques:
  • The irony of some Western feminists supporting Islam is highlighted, given Quranic and hadith-based practices around women ([65:29], [67:54]).

8. Demographic Concerns and the “Jihad of Babies”

• Fertility, Abortion, and the “Womb as a Weapon”:
  • Martin refers to a Muslim imam’s teaching: “Islam will conquer the West through the womb of the woman” ([83:13]).
  • Critique of falling birth rates in the West due to feminism, abortion, and LGBTQ+ culture, compared to higher fertility among Muslims ([83:43]).
  • Guests present large families as a response: “If God willing, we’re going to have seven babies... make them preachers.” ([85:19])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Preaching in Danger:

  “If you preach, don’t fear. If you fear, don’t preach.”
  — Martin, recalling advice given to pastors in Egypt ([09:00])

• On Immigration:

  “Immigration is not the problem. The problem is who you are allowing in. They’re allowing in people that hate the country.”
  — Martin ([24:42])

• On Australia’s Transformation:

  “The country it is now is not the country that I grew up in. It genuinely is starting to feel like a Muslim country.”
  — Millie ([24:42])

• On Government Response:

  “Once again, the Muslims are not the problem, it’s the right wing. Once again, he’s scared to be called an Islamophobe.”
  — Martin, on Prime Minister’s speech ([20:35])

• On Policy Proposal:

  “Muslims will always do what Muslims do. And when you bring one Muslim in the West, they will do what they do best. They will hate the infidel. They will destroy the country. They will bring Sharia law.”
  — Martin ([00:10], echoed at [54:07] and throughout discussion on immigration)

• On Double Standards:

  “We saw the difference between how Christians treat Muslims versus how Muslims treat Christians by living in Egypt and then moving to Australia and seeing America. So there’s a double standard. They kill us. Christians in Muslim countries get killed and beheaded. Muslims in Christian countries get welfare and paid.”
  — Martin ([36:05])

• On Secularism:

  “Secularism is not a standard of morality. It’s the absence of a standard.”
  — Millie ([80:23])

• On Censorship:

  “Every single time we preach about Islam, we know the federal police will come to our campus and they will say that you are committing hate speech.”
  — Millie ([18:46])

• On Societal Change:

  “The Bible says that pride comes before destruction... When you reject me, when you accept pride in your country, I will reject you... We have a bunch of people acting like dogs, acting like cats in the street.”
  — Martin ([44:54])

• On Demographics:

  “Islam will conquer the West through the womb of the woman. The womb of the cross versus the womb of the crescent.”
  — Martin ([83:13]) “If the man marries four women, you do the math, that’s 16–20 babies per Muslim family. We end up with one or two babies. What do the Muslims have? They end up with four to five babies.”
  — Martin ([85:19])

• On Violence and Martyrdom:

  “The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. Every time they kill Christians, we don’t decrease, we go bigger.”
  — Martin ([07:21])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:58]–[08:49]: Martin’s family testimony — persecution, attempted kidnappings, and miraculous protection.
• [11:31]–[15:58]: Discussion of Bondi Beach shooting, media coverage, and religious/ethnic context.
• [18:43]–[21:53]: New hate speech laws and government responses after attack.
• [22:54]–[26:28]: Immigration’s impact on Australia’s culture and safety.
• [28:12]–[30:54]: Australia's restrictive gun laws; suggestions for self-defense.
• [36:05]–[37:48]: Double standards between religious freedom in the West vs. Muslim countries.
• [43:59]–[46:46]: Rise of LGBTQ+ and atheism in Australia; conversion/prayer ban.
• [50:42]–[55:39]: Debate over Muslim ban and proposed deportations; American and Australian leaders’ roles.
• [65:29]–[70:53]: Detailed criticism of Sharia law, treatment of women, and feminist support for Islam.
• [83:13]–[85:19]: “Jihad of babies” and demographic threats; Christian response.

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Final Thoughts

The discussion is impassioned and unapologetically direct, blending personal testimony, theological analysis, political critique, and social commentary. The Cedras’ experience of persecution in Egypt informs their warning to Western audiences, whom they urge to preserve Christian values, defend free speech, and scrutinize immigration and multicultural policies. The episode is especially relevant to listeners interested in the intersections of faith, public policy, and current events relating to Islam and Christianity.

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Follow the guests:
Instagram: @martinsedra, @millicentra

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Note: This summary reflects the views and tone of the speakers as per podcast transcript for those seeking a broad and clear overview without listening to the full episode.

Transcript

[A]

We saw the video. The father and son, you know, killed 15 people. I think one other person just died as well. Ages 10 to 87 years old, 42 people hospitalized.

[B]

Muslims will always do what Muslims do. And when you bring one Muslim in the west, they will do what they do best. They will hate the infidel. They will destroy the country. They will bring Sharia law. They will bring Sharia law.

[A]

What would have happened if he would have killed the killer?

[B]

I have to walk around in fear. Is someone going to attack my wife? And how do I protect them? I have to use an umbrell, apparently.

[A]

You see the way he's shooting? Who trained them how to do this?

[B]

That's not regular training right there in Islam. A day out with your son looks like going and shooting some Jews.

[A]

Who is causing the havoc? Is it a pattern? Who is not?

[B]

You are committing suicide and they are using our democracy to sweet our throat.

[A]

That's the choice the audience got to make.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

They got to decide what direction they want to go to.

[B]

30 seconds.

[C]

Did you ever think you were made again.

[B]

Adam?

[A]

What's your point?

[B]

The future looks bright.

[A]

My handshake is better than anything I ever saw.

[B]

It's right here.

[A]

You are a one of one.

[C]

My son's right.

[D]

I don't think I've ever said this before.

[A]

Okay, so I want to introduce you to a special couple that I've been following and watching these guys doing incredible work. Martin and Millicent Sidra, who just flew in from Australia. 40 minutes outside of Bondi beach is where they live in Sydney. And this is a very unique story because this is a story of a man and his wife escaped a Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. They went to Thailand, stayed there for a year before they could go to Australia. And there were a lot of threats on their lives. And. And now he's a preacher. His father was a preacher. He now preaches with his wife. And they do great work going around the world, and I thought it was appropriate to have the conversation now. So we are having a conversation right after what happened with Australia, the tragic events that took place with Australia, especially today, seven people getting caught that they were about to repeat the same exact thing that happened at Bondi. We've all seen this clip, so very timely, but great to have you guys here.

[B]

Oh, it's such an honor to be here. Thank you. We appreciate you. We love your work. Thank you.

[A]

Thank you. Fantastic. So, I mean, obviously with everything that happened in Australia, I want to get into that. I want to get into, you know, how Ugly. It is. Is it getting better? Is it. Are you seeing any progress? And then as well as, you know, some of the stuff that you're seeing going on with the west, and we can talk about a wide range of topics, but if, if you don't mind before getting started, so the audience knows, maybe share your background and your story so they know who you guys are.

[B]

Yeah. So my name is Martin Sedra. I'm a pastor and a preacher. This is my beautiful wife, Melissa, and Cedra. We met in Australia, got married. I'm originally from Egypt. Egypt, 1400 years ago, the Christian country. We were 90% Christian. Islam conquered Egypt, took over it. The Egyptians thought, no way Islam will take over our country. They did. Now Islam is 90% of Egypt and Christianity is at 10%. So my family grew up in Egypt as a Christian minority. My dad was a preacher and his main ministry, instead of planting a church, because it's very hard to plant churches in a Muslim country, he decided, I'm going to preach to Muslims. So his main ministry was just to preach to Muslims about Jesus Christ. And he was seeing hundreds of Muslims come to Christ, even thousands of them coming to Christ. And really what he was doing was suicide. That's under Islam Sharia law, that's apostasy laws. If a Muslim converts to Christianity, they must die. And even the pastor, or maybe his family will suffer consequences. So my dad knew the whole time that he was putting his whole family in danger. His wife, my whole family. There's four of us. Andrew, John, me, and my twin sister Martina. And he really knew that one of us was going to die one day. Maybe he might come home from preaching and one of us will be killed. And the Muslim Brotherhood threatened him many times. The government got him many times to threaten him. Lots of death threats. And they told him, stop preaching Jesus. Many times. And my dad every time would say, I'm not going to stop preaching Jesus. My dad was a bold lion. He did not back down. But one day, really, this was the turning point, the pinnacle of our story. One day my dad was preaching to a bunch of Muslims, and a specific Muslim lady was in the crowd who was wearing a hijab. And my dad was preaching. At the end of the sermon, she hears the love of Jesus, she hears the truth of the Bible. She converts from Islam to Christianity. She goes home, and my dad doesn't know that her husband is a leader of a Muslim terrorist group. So this woman that converted to Christianity, he thought she was just a normal Muslim lady. Her husband is a leader of a Muslim terrorist group. The man finds out that his wife is now a Christian. He's furious, he's angry, he plans to obviously wants to come after my dad. And the plan was he was going to kidnap my brothers. My brothers were 9 and 5 at the time, Andrew and John. He was going to kidnap them, behead them, put them in a bag, send it to the front door of my dad's house to teach him a lesson. Don't preach Jesus again. That's just what Muslims do. Muslims if they want to. If you mess with the Muslims in, in a Muslim country, if you mess with their Allah, if you critique Muhammad, what I am doing now, they will come after us. We've had people follow us in shopping centers a few weeks ago. What we're doing now is in Australia, in Australia, in Australia. This is, this is just Islam. So the man decides, you know what? You want to mess with my wife, you want to preach Jesus to her, I'm going to come after you. So he studies my brothers. At the age of nine and five, he realizes they go to the school bus at seven in the morning. He sends two Muslim men in a van to kidnap them, behead them, put them in a bag, send it to my dad. The two Muslim men, and this is a miracle and the power of Christianity and the God of the Bible. The two Muslim men rock up. Seven o' clock in the morning, they see my brothers and they want to kidnap them. As they try to get out of the van, they feel frozen in the van. These are two Muslim men who kill preachers and politicians for a living. They feel frozen in the van, they don't know what's going on. My brothers get on a school bus. The school bus leaves, the Muslim men unfreeze again and now they're looking at each other. They're like, you coward. They're confused what's going on. We've killed many people before. Killing a five year old and a nine year old, that should be like little cockroaches for us. They go to the boss, the boss the next day is angry, sends two bigger Muslim men and he says, finish your job. And these two men come with a mission to kidnap my brothers and behead them. They come to the school bus, seven in the morning the next day. This time they were able to get out of the van. They get out of the van, they're standing right behind my brothers at the school bus, five and nine year old. And as they go to kidnap my brothers Andrew and John, as they go to kidnap my brothers they feel a supernatural hand, an angel. And I know a lot of listeners will be like, this guy's lying. There's no miracles. There's a lot of miracles happening in the Middle east, and God is moving. They feel a supernatural hand, an angel, grab both their hands and tie it behind their heads. These Muslim men don't know what's going on. They don't know it's an angel. But my brothers get on the school bus. The school bus leaves, and the two Muslim men unfreeze again. And now the boss doesn't know what's going on. He's killed many people before. He goes to my dad's house, knocks on the door, and he sits with my dad, and he tells him the story. And that's how we know what happened. He says, I tried to kill your children. I tried to behead them. This was the plan. And it failed. And he lands by saying this statement. And this was the pinnacle of our testimony. He says, I tried to kill your children, but your God protected them. And that Muslim terrorist leader, the Muslim Brotherhood leader, in the living room in our house, becomes a Christian, repents of Islam, gets baptized, and Jesus Christ reigns. And what this story tells me, for all my listeners here, whether you're a Christian, a Muslim, this story tells me one thing. That the God of the Bible is the one true God. This story tells me one thing. People tell me, why are you not scared of Islam? Why are you not scared of Muhammad? Pastor Martin, why are you not scared to your wife might get killed, Your future kids might get killed? My wife is pregnant now, and I'm like, mate, what if they try to kill my future kid? And they always ask me, why are you not scared? And I tell them, you know what? I'm not scared. My God is the one true God. And if God wants me dead, I'm gonna die. So this tells me, my God is stronger than Allah. My God is stronger than Muhammad. My God is stronger than all of the Muslim Brotherhood combined. And really, we've seen a miracle working Hand of God. And this is a testimony we come out of. And that's why we don't care what people think. We're like, let's go. What's some worse that can happen? You're gonna kill me. If I die, I die. They kill Charlie Kirk. They killed Charlie Kirk. And they thought, it's finished. No, you didn't kill Charlie Kirk. You multiplied his influence. You created a revival in America. As Tertullian said in the second century, the blood of the martyrs is the Seed of the church. Every time they kill Christians, we don't decrease, we go bigger. And this is what happened in the Old Testament. The pharaoh, he's angry at the Hebrews, they're multiplying, he oppresses them. What happens? They multiply. Same thing, they kill the Christians, they kill Stephen in the Old Testament, what happens? The church grows. And that's what we've seen. And we're ready. We're ready for whatever Islam has to offer. We're ready. So.

[A]

So for the, for the. What a testimony, by the way, the average person. When you tell stories like that in Egypt, how common was stories like that where somebody would get killed for being a Christian, how common was that?

[B]

Very common. Very common. On Christmas, we're about to have Christmas in America, we're about to celebrate Christmas, Easter, all these things. We go to church and think it's just, you know, a nice safe day. In Egypt, you go to church knowing that there might be a bombing. Christians go to church knowing that one church might get bombed, there'll be a terrorist attack, someone's going to get killed. My dad's had, my dad as a pastor, had many pastor friends who got killed. So this is a normal story. In fact, before you become a pastor in Egypt, before you become a pastor, this is what they teach you in college. They don't teach you how to communicate and how to talk and how, you know to use hand signals. They teach you one lesson. And the lesson is this, if you preach, don't fear. And if you fear, don't preach. That was the one lesson that they taught you as a pastor. If you preach, don't fear. And if you fear, don't preach. Because it's not for you. You're laying your life down, you're laying your wife's life down and you're laying your kid's life down on the line for the sake of Jesus Christ. And we decided we're willing to do that.

[A]

How'd you guys meet?

[E]

We met at 13 years old. He was like a bold preacher, anointed at 13, preaching in front of thousands of people. We've always, both of us since a very young age. I remember eight years old, encountering the Holy Spirit and knew that from that day forward, I'm on this earth to advance the kingdom. I'm on this earth to preach the truth of God's word no matter what the cost. And so I met this 13 year old fiery Egyptian who had just come to Australia. He was actually meant to come to the USA and got rejected. So Praise the Lord, because he came to my nation, thank God, of Australia. And so, yeah, when I see this fiery preacher preaching, I told my parents at the age of 13, I'd met my husband. And then we got married.

[B]

And I told her on our first date day, I told her, Millie, I told her, we might not own a house, we might not be rich. I don't know what God is going to do with us. We might get killed for our faith. But I told her, are you ready to commit to the call of God? And she said, I'm ready. I said, let's go, let's get married. And we got married very young. And we're saying, lord, here we are. Send us.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Is this your first? This is expecting you first.

[B]

Yeah. Our first baby.

[A]

Congratulations.

[E]

Martin wants one for every continent.

[B]

I'm having seven babies.

[E]

This is one of seven.

[B]

I want to beat the Muslims. The Muslims are having many babies. I love it. I'm going to, I'm going to beat them.

[A]

Go do it. If my wife was open to the idea, I'd keep her pregnant for 20 years. I mean, it's just exactly something that I'm open.

[B]

See how we go.

[A]

That's right. So now, you know, with this amazing story that you guys have and I want to still come back to your testimony, Egypt, all of that, and then the different challenges we face. But let's, let's talk about Australia.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You just flew out here from Australia, right? 16 hour flight to come down here. Your 40 minutes, if I'm not mistaken, outside of Bondi Beach. Walk me through what you saw, what you hear, what the people are saying. You know, we saw the video. The father and son, you know, killed 15 people. I think one other person just died as well, which is 16 people ages 10 to 87 years old, 42 people hospitalized. We're seeing all these things that is taking place just tragic at the highest level. Even the man, Ahmed Al Ahmed, that took the weapon away and he didn't even want to shoot the father. Father runs away. I think he even may have gotten shot by a cop.

[E]

Well, he can't shoot.

[A]

In Australia, you can't shoot. So walk me through. For someone that lives in Australia, many of us don't. What was it like and what has changed?

[B]

For many years, Pat, we've been saying Islam is a religion of peace. For many years, the government has been telling us Islam is a religion of peace. They're here to coexist. They're just like Christians. They're easygoing. And we all know, we knew Coming from Egypt, that they're not a religion of peace. But we're like, let's wait to see what's going on. On last Sunday, as you said, Pat, two Muslim men, a 24 year old and a 50 year old father, son and father go to Bondi Beach, 40 minutes away from our church during Hanukkah festival, shoot at thousands of Jews. As you said, 15 Jews die. And if it wasn't for that heroic man, thank God for him who stopped him, there would have been a lot more people that died. They traced back this guy, they found in his car that explosives and a 24 year old kid, there was explosives in his car. They found two ISIS flags related to the Muslim Brotherhood. Not just that, they traced back his, they traced back his studies and they found that he studied in Sydney, where we're from, in Sydney, Australia, studying in a place called Medina, Medina Dawa Center. That's where he studied. He studied in the Quran. There was a photo, there was a photo there of him with his teacher. That's him studying. That's him studying right there. A 24 year old kid studying just the Quran. You know, this beautiful, amazing, apparently peaceful, nice book, studying it. And he comes out as a terrorist and people are surprised. How did this guy happen? How did this guy become a terrorist? There's no surprise about it. The Quran commands him to do that. The Quran commands him to kill the infidel. The Quran commands him to be a non believer. The Quran behind him commands him to behead and terrorize the polytheists. Who are those guys? It's the Christians. Who was the infidel? The Jews? Who is the infidel? It's any person who does not believe in Allah and Muhammad, the one true prophet. So when people say this guy was a radical Muslim, for me he's not a radical Muslim. He's a faithful Muslim. He's a normal Muslim. They keep saying, they keep trying to, you know, radical Islam. It's not radical Islam, it's faithful Islam. Muhammad commanded him to do that and that's what he studied and that's what he did.

[A]

Now let me ask you, when you see this way, Rob, if you can rewind it. When you see the way he's shooting, who trained them how to do this? That's not regular training right there.

[B]

He's an excellent shooter, you're right.

[A]

Do we know at this point how he learned?

[B]

We know he went to the Philippines. He went to the Philippines. Something just came out today or yesterday. He went to the Philippines to train. Not Much facts have come out yet, but he did train somewhere, and they need to trace. The problem with this guy is they need to trace back who. Who made him a terrorist, what mosque did he study in and who trained him to do that? Because it's not one jihadi. There's a lot of people backing him. There's a lot of people behind him financially. There's a lot of power behind this guy, and we need to find all of them.

[E]

And going to what you say, like how you mentioned that. Yeah. People say, oh, it's a. It's a religion of peace. This is just radical. People are bringing up the. The man that stopped him, saved him, and the fact that, you know, he was. He was Muslim. But the truth is, all the reports are coming out now of the Muslim community saying, oh, he's a traitor. And that's the truth. If Muhammad was around today and saw that this hero who stopped the terrorist from attacking and killing more people, Muhammad would have killed him for apostasy, being a traitor. And the idea that people say, you know, Islam, the religion of peace. Why do you have to say the religion of peace if it's a. If it's a peaceful religion? You wouldn't even be using that language. Like, how come we don't say Christianity, a religion of peace? Because nobody feels today threatened by Christians. Nobody. When, by the way, on Sunday, when we heard. We were at church, when we got the news on Sunday, when we hear about the terrorist attack, we never for a second thought, oh, it was a bunch of Christians. Oh, it was a bunch of, you know, straight away. Because truth is, terrorism has a religion and terrorism has a book. And so we knew straight away as the reports came through that what kind of organization.

[A]

Now, let me ask you this, because there was a speech that was given by a man on August 29 who is Australian, and he is. I don't know who this man is. You. You may know him because it's your world. Here's the man. He looks like a cowboy. I don't know if you've seen this or not.

[B]

He's a funny guy.

[A]

Okay, so I want you to watch this and then tell us who he is, and then tell us how many more people in Australia feel the same way. Go ahead, Rob.

[C]

I want their names. Because we have had a tradition of toleration. These people are not tolerating us. So you don't tolerate us. We want you out of this country because this country is fed up with your, oh, we must be nice to everybody. Well, I'm not particularly nice to people that crossed the border, invaded another country and murdered over 1200 people. Tick the boxes. Do they have democracy? Do they have rule of law? Do they have Christianity or some similar belief system? Do they have egalitarian traditions? Do they have industrial awards? Now, if they don't tick the boxes, they don't come here. If you have anti Australian sentiments, then get the hell out of my country. I want.

[A]

How many people are like him today in Australia that are sick of it? 1. Who is he and how many people? He's apparently one of the members of the Parliament.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How powerful is he?

[B]

Who is he?

[A]

How big is he? How much influence does he have? And how many more Australians feel the same way as he does?

[B]

Honestly, that guy has been going viral. I don't know who he is. Yeah, he's a Lebanese guy. I like what he's saying right now, but a lot of people are starting to think what he's thinking. Before, they weren't. They were scared of being called racist and Islamophobic. And that's, by the way, the label they keep putting on us for speaking about Islam. They say, you're racist, you're Islamophobic. And we've been scared to speak about it, but now the story is turning. People are finally waking up and they're realizing, yeah, we need to speak about this. But what worries me, though, is they said that about 9, 11, they said, we'll never forget. They said, we'll never forget that one of them was the Muslims, the one. And one of them shouted Allahu Akbar and they forgot and they voted in Zohra Mabdani. So I'm wondering, how long is Australia going to stay awake? Give it a few months. And they're going to forget again and they're going to get more immigrants in and they're going to get more Muslims in. So we'll see how long that lasts.

[E]

People on the ground, I think, feel this way. And that is scaring our Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese. Communist. Communist guy. It's scaring him. And so he just said yesterday, last night that he's bringing in five reforms in order to. Essentially, people like Martin and myself will most likely in the next couple of years, could face jail, prison sentences, because if we say something against the ideology of Islam, that will be considered hate speech. And they are now, after what happened.

[A]

He'S saying that you can't speak.

[B]

So it's hate speech laws.

[E]

We've already had the police come to our church many times. We preach about Islam all of the time. Every single time we preach about Islam, we know the following day the federal police will come to our campus and they will say that you are committing hate speech. So by us simply talking about what is in the Quran, what is in the book, what is in the ideology, not the people, the ideology. By simply saying that. By simply saying that Muhammad, he married a six year old, consummated the marriage with Aisha at nine. By saying that Australia is saying this is hate speech for us. Saying that now they said they're going to increase the punishment and the sentence.

[B]

So they're not treating the Muslims like they're the terrorists. They're saying all preachers. Notice what he used. Anthony Albanese. He didn't say the Muslim imams. We're going to watch what they say. He said preachers. Who's a preacher? I'm a preacher. Every preacher, he's going to be watching what they say. All I say is repent. All I tell people is repent of your sin. All I tell people is marriage is between a man and a woman. That's all we tell them.

[E]

We see Muslims get saved at our.

[B]

Church and we see Muslims get saved at a church. So we're not going around bombing people and killing people. But for some reason he wants to put us in the same category as his Muslim imams who are preaching kill the infidel. We never tell Christians to kill people. We tell them preach the truth. But he wants to put hate speech laws next to each other with the Muslims.

[A]

Yeah. So here's a Prime Minister. Rob, if you want to play that clip, here's a Prime Minister talking about what he's planning on doing after what happened at Bondi Beach. Go for it.

[C]

We take Asia's advice very seriously. We work closely with them. We receive regular updates as well. The Director General of Asia has warned about a range of threats, be it anti Semitism, the rise of right wing extremist groups as well. And we continue to work closely with our security agencies. We take.

[B]

So once again, the Muslims are not the problem, it's the right wing. Once again, he's scared to be called an Islamophobic. And I would say the Jews that died on that day, their blood is on his hands. Their blood is on his hand. Why? He allowed in 2023 the Muslims to gather in front of Opera House and shout gas. The Jews. He allowed that the Muslims gathered in front of the Opera House, one of the most iconic places in Sydney, the city. And they shouted and chanted gas.

[E]

And you know who went to jail that day went to jail.

[A]

Wait in front of the gas the.

[B]

Jews and guess what the news reporter said. The news reporter says no, the Muslims are not saying gas are Jews. They're saying where's the Jews? Or the. Someone said they're shouting where is my shoes? No, no, they said gas the Jews. That's what they said.

[A]

Press play, rap.

[E]

Yeah, that's it. That's gas issues.

[B]

That's two years ago he allowed that to happen. It's his fault.

[A]

Yes, the Jews. Guess the two years ago.

[B]

Two years ago guess the Jews.

[E]

I think it was on the 9th of September a couple months ago where they also had a huge rally on Bondi beach, the most iconic beach in Australia. They had a group of protesters with Palestinian flags, they had horses riding on the beach. Nothing. They did nothing.

[B]

So. So their blood is on his hand. He is a coward that's not willing to say the truth that Islam is not a religion of peace and he's going to bring more immigration and so if more terrorist attacks happen it's his fault and people want him out now.

[A]

And by the way Bandai beach, is that an area where there's a high Jewish population?

[B]

Yes, that's the most Jewish one of the most Jewish populations if not the most Jewish population in Australia.

[E]

Yeah, the most densely population.

[B]

That's why they went there, that's why the Muslims went there.

[A]

So when you see stats you'll see stats saying from 06 the Australia population Muslim population went from 340,000 to some 880 right now growth of 130 plus percent ish. Right. One how did that happen? Two, the immigration laws that they have in Australia. Three where are they coming in from? Because my interest is stats and data. Who is causing the havoc? Is it a pattern? Who is not? Like are there people that are coming from Saudi that are not causing any havoc? Are there people that are coming from Pakistan that are causing havoc? What do we know?

[B]

The Pakistanis are mainly going to the uk they're mainly going. The Pakistanis going to Europe. What we're getting is a lot of, what we're getting is a lot of Arabs like Iraqis, we're getting a lot of Afghans. That's kind of the group we're getting the Middle east guys and these guys are coming and they're, they're. We're getting I think around 250000 immigrants a year like we're and our population. Bear in mind our population is not like the US we're 20, we're 27 million people. We're very small population. So ratio wise to allow in 250, 300,000 immigrants. That's, that's conquering a country. And they're allowing people in. And I'm an immigrant myself. I'm not anti immigration. I'm an immigrant myself and I'm grateful for Australia for bringing me in. But when I came to the country, I assimilated into the country. I got an Australian flag in my office. I pray for the country, I bless the country, as you say, I create jobs for the country. I bring wealth to the country. That's what I did. That's how I assimilated. So immigration is not the problem. The problem is who are you allowing in? They're allowing in people that hate the country. They're allowing in people in America that shout, death to America, Death to the United States, Death to Australia, death to Europe. They're allowing people in that burn the flag. This is no longer immigration. This is an invasion. This is no longer being nice. And this is what they kept calling it, multiculturalism. And they kept saying, we've got to be nice. We're going to open our borders. They need help. You are destroying your country. You are committing suicide, and they are using our democracy to slit our throat. That's what they're using. They're saying, you guys claim to be free, you claim to be kind. Allow us in. And we're allowing them in. And they're gathering in groups. And now you see it in Michigan, America, what's happening in Michigan? They got the call to prayer in the street. What's happening in New York City? Thousands of Muslims gathering to pray in the street. What's. This is what happens when you allow them in. So we've gone from immigration to invasion.

[E]

And yeah, I mean, I grew up in Australia, so I've been there all my life. And the country it is now is not the country that I grew up in. It genuinely is starting to feel like a Muslim country we mentioned. So just Monday, this past Monday, the day after the Bondi attacks, we're just, you know, out at the shops, just enjoying a date together. And there's a group of five Muslim, maybe 20 year olds following us. We got three flights of stairs. We go in all of these different shops just to test are they truly following us? They were 100 following us, giving us these intimidating looks, trying to intimidate us. The week before that, we're at the medical center, you know, getting our checkups done. Another Muslim recognizes Martin and starts saying he's on the phone saying, yeah, I hate that guy. I can't do anything because they'll record starts looking at us, intimidating us, trying scare us away. And so we've had to move church buildings multiple times because the mosque down the road called the the authorities and said they have a cross out the front of their building. They can't gather there anymore. So we got kicked out of our buildings. We've had to move houses like three times because we keep getting Muslim neighbors and we received death threats all of the time. And so it's not because of immigration. It is not. It does not feel like a safe country anymore.

[A]

That's unbelievable because even like we're talking about earlier, what happened earlier today in Australia, the seven people that they found.

[B]

Seven people. Another the police rammed into two cars with seven people. And look at the photos. Whether they want to call the Muslims or not. Just look at the photos.

[E]

Just a bunch of.

[B]

They're 99 right wing extremists. They're 100% Muslims.

[A]

Can you play that clip?

[B]

Look at the photos. Big beards.

[E]

This is 20 minutes from where we live.

[A]

This is what, what city is this?

[E]

This is Liverpool.

[B]

Liverpool, 20 minutes from us.

[A]

20 minutes from you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And what's Liverpool known for?

[E]

All the Muslims.

[B]

All the Muslims.

[A]

Muslims are in Liverpool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like the London of Australia.

[B]

Yeah, we have a few pockets.

[E]

Is even worse. Like we were there around when October 7th was happening and there was posters up all over Lakemba saying rape is resistance. No one takes it down. The government.

[A]

Resistance.

[B]

Rape is resistance. October 7th. What Hamas did to Israel is apparently rape. Yeah. Because Hamas raped the Israelis. They didn't just kill them and slaughter them. On October 7, the Hamas raped women, then mutilated them. They put babies in ovens and burned them. And apparently that's resistance.

[E]

That was them resisting Israel. Wow. Yeah.

[A]

What's this? Right, this is the seven.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Go for it.

[B]

Back with the box.

[A]

News alert. A funeral held in Sydney today for the youngest victim of the Bandai beach terror attack.

[B]

Meanwhile, Australian counterterrorism police arresting several men.

[A]

A few hours ago. Officials say they were fighting a violent attack. They were allegedly on their way to the site of last week's deadly shooting. Steve Harrigan all over this. He's on Bondi beach in Sydney.

[B]

Steve.

[F]

Brian. Definitely some dramatic and potentially disturbing video was Australia's counterterror police. They rammed two vehicles in Sydney. They say these seven men were planning to carry out a violent attack. Police are clear at this point that there is no known connection between this planned attack and what happened here, the deadly attack on Sunday. In the meantime, as you mentioned, funerals underway here in Australia for the 15 victims of Sunday's deadly terror attack. Funerals for the youngest victim, 10 year old Matilda and the oldest as well, an 86 year old Holocaust survivor. In the meantime, Australia's Prime Minister says it's clear the country has not done enough to battle anti Semitism, the country.

[C]

Since the terrible events of October 2023. We have right there.

[A]

So what are the laws in Australia with second amendment? So you said earlier when I said to you about the man that took away Ahmed Al Ahmed that took the guns away, what would have happened if he would have killed the killer?

[E]

Yeah, it's confusing the way that they write the legislation basically. So there's under no circumstances you cannot carry a defense weapon for, or a weapon to use for the purposes of defense. So if you were to like Google what can you carry to defend yourself in Australia they'll say, they'll suggest things like maybe carry a strong umbrella or carry a heavy bag that's legit, you can carry on to carry pepper spray, it's illegal to carry a knife, you can't carry anything at all. So in 1996 they took the guns away. And so basically you can still own a gun but with very, very strict registration and you cannot under any circumstances use a weapon in self defense. Unless this is where the legislation is very tricky, unless there is a substantial threat on your life. But in the case of the man, they would have said you had enough time to run away. And in almost every case if you were to use a gun to protect yourself, even if someone's in your house, in your car, threatening your family, you will most likely face charges.

[A]

In 1996, is this due to the Port Arthur massacre that killed some 30 something, 36 people?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And so that day they're like, this is it we're taking.

[E]

Yeah. So for the next year they basically took, took everybody that you had to drop all your guns to the police stations, you had to hand everything down.

[B]

And obviously the evil guys are not dropping their guns. The Muslims will have it. They don't need to worry about that. It's just the good guys like us don't have guns.

[E]

That's what Albanese said. He said because of this attack we're going to tighten gun regulations. As though you can tighten it even more stricter than Australia. I don't know how you can tighten it even further. But this is the problem with this whole gun laws discussion. It's that criminals will always get, get the guns. They will always get a hold of weapons. We see this. It's not like we don't have shootings and school shootings in Australia. We have all of this. And so criminals will always get the guns. And we need the good men who are able to protect us against the criminals to carry weapons to actually protect and defend. So that man probably couldn't use that gun to protect.

[B]

So I have to walk around in fear. Is someone going to attack my wife? And how do I protect them? I have to use an umbrella apparently.

[E]

If you google it says martial arts.

[B]

Yeah, or martial arts, which I don't do martial arts. I'm not sure how I'm meant to protect my family.

[A]

Can you pull up if it actually says use an umbrella?

[E]

Yeah. If you google what can you carry to defend yourself in Australia? AI will tell you. An umbrella, a heavy bag to protect yourself in Australia.

[A]

Defend yourself in Australia.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Hey guys, Pastor Martin Cedra here. If you have any questions about Jesus, Christianity, Islam, or maybe you just want to know a little bit more about Muhammad versus Jesus. I'm here for you if you need anything. If you, you need a church, we're planting a church all across America. So reach out to me through Minecraft.

[E]

Hey, I will tell you, look at that, where it's generating. Yeah, look at that. Personal safety. Scroll down. Human flashlight. Last time I checked they said yeah, there it is. Heavy umbrella.

[A]

You gotta be kidding.

[B]

Keys. A solid walking stick.

[A]

Lawful non defensive purpose. Solid walking stick.

[B]

Yeah, that will help me against the.

[E]

Gun because you can't tell the government that I had this.

[A]

In case of enrolling in self defense classes such as Krav Maga or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu provides you with skills and confidence to handle situations without relying on physical items.

[B]

I need to start training. It'll take me about 10 years, but hopefully they don't kill me in the next 10 years before I learn Jiu Jitsu. So that, that's, that's what we're dealing with. So they're, they, they, they're setting us up for terrorist attacks. It's his fault. They need to fix the regulation. And a lot of people Pat, they ask how come it's always the Muslim men that, that commit terrorist attacks. And interesting enough that 24 year old and his father, 50 year old, they literally told the wife, they told, he told his wife, the father that we're just going to go out, you know, it's going to go fishing or something. Just a few days with my Son and in the West, a day out with your son looks like going fishing or swimming. In Islam, a day out with your son looks like going and shooting some Jews. That's what a day out looks like. That's a nice date day. Father, son, date day. And this is the thing about it, the reason they're willing to die, the reason Muslims are so arrogant and they're willing to shoot with no self defense, like that guy was shooting. No self defense, nothing. Just shooting and trying to kill people. They are promised that if they die as a martyr, they're going to get 72 virgins in heaven. So every Muslim man, why wouldn't he die? Every Muslim man is promised, if you die for Allah, if you commit, if you die, if you kill Jews, if you kill Christians in the middle and you die, you will get a reward of 72 virgins. So every Muslim man, sexually perverted men, they're like, let's go. That's why the 50 year old man, that sexually perverted 50 year old man, he doesn't care about his wife at home. She can be a widow now. I'm going to go to heaven and get 72 virgins. And that 24 year old boy, he sadly he didn't like, I mean for him he would be very sad. He didn't die, he was in a coma and just woke up today and he didn't wake up to 72 virgins, he woke up to 72 cops surrounding him. So he'll be in a very big shock. So that's what Islam is. Islam is a violent religion, it's a sexually perverted religion. Heaven for them is a brothel. Heaven for Muslims is a brothel. Heaven is, it's described as a massive pavilion, a massive street, a massive city filled with women and you can have sex with them as much as you want and they're going to return as virgins. I'm like, it sounds like a religion made by a man for a man. It's a religion made by a sexually perverted man. Muhammad, four sexually perverted people and people might be listening, being like that's too extreme. That's what he did. He's a sexually perverted person who had 11 wives, who raped slaves, who married a six year old and slept with him when she was nine and people say slept with her. I wouldn't say he slept with her, I would say he raped her. What nine year old would approve of sex? We actually, we used consummated. I would go, it's not consummated and it's not slept with. It's. He raped her. At the age of nine, he raped her. It's a sexually perverted religion. It's a brothel. Heaven is a brothel. For Christianity, we look up to heaven to see the Lord Jesus Christ, right? Jesus said to the criminal on his left, he said, today you'll be with me in paradise. That's the beauty of Christianity. I look forward to being in the presence of my God. I look forward to being with Jesus. Stephen. When he died and was getting martyred. Stephen. In Acts, it says he looked up to heaven and saw the Son of God seated at the right hand of the Father. That's Christianity. We await the presence of the Lord. Muslims await the presence of a virgin. And that's the sexual perversion of Islam.

[E]

To think of, like, philosophically, to compare what heaven looks like for a Muslim versus a Christian. If you can achieve that form of heaven, which is 72 virgins, if it's something that you can fashion up in your mind, you can imagine it, you could even achieve it technically here on this earth, that's clearly a heaven created in a man's mind. But for us, our heaven is to be in the presence of God. The fact that we can't fathom that shows us that this is not something created by the manifest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let me ask. You went to school in Egypt till 13.

[B]

Till nine.

[A]

Till nine. Okay, so you guys met at 13, but you guys left at nine?

[B]

Yeah, we left the nine met at 13.

[A]

Okay, so when you went to school till nine, that means that's what, third grade or fourth grade?

[B]

Yeah, third grade.

[A]

Third grade. And you went to public school? Muslim school, not a private school. Okay, what. What did they teach you? What did you learn? What were some of the values and principles that were teaching you going to school? Did they touch theology? Did they teach you about Muslim Islam? Did they teach you about Muhammad? Did they teach you about Jews? Did they teach you about Christians? And what did they teach you when you were going to school?

[B]

So they do teach you the Quran. And that's why me and my family, we know a lot more about the Quran. Whether you're a Christian or not, they're going to teach you about the Quran. And not only that, you hear the call to prayer five times in a day. So five times a day, you hear the call to prayer playing out in every speaker five times a day, morning, afternoon, noon, all the five times you hear Allahu Akbar, you hear that Allah is the one true God, Muhammad is Prophet. Well, I was young, so I don't Remember learning kind of, you know, the Jews and the Christian stuff, but they were teaching the Quran and you could. That's the spirit of Egypt. There's fear among the Christians, the spirit, the aroma of being a Christian in Egypt among Muslims is you're scared for your life. There's no freedom. There's no. I can just go out in the street and preach. Like. And this is the thing about the, the, the. The. The double standards between Christians and Muslim countries versus Muslims in Christian countries. Muslims are able to come to Christian countries, migrate here, and they're able to open mosques. They're able to wear hijabs. They're able to promote halal food. They're able to pray in the street, like New York City under Zohar Madani. Pray in the street, Thousands of them. They're able to pray the call to prayer in Michigan. They're able to do all of that. They're able to evangelize to Christians and convert Christians to Muslims. And we say nothing about it. But what would happen if a Christian goes to a Muslim country? This is a double standard. A Christian goes to a Muslim country. Can I, in a Muslim country wear a cross around my neck and a Bible in my hand? If I walk around with this Bible in my hand in a Muslim country with a cross around my neck and preach the name of Jesus, I would be killed. I would be bashed in the street. And this is what we experienced. We saw the difference between how Christians treat Muslims versus how Muslims treat Christians by living in Egypt and then moving to Australia and seeing America. So there's a double standard. And it's. They kill us. Like, Christians in Muslim countries get killed and beheaded. Muslims in Christian countries get welfare and paid.

[A]

What's the most vicious thing you saw as a kid growing up in Egypt?

[B]

I personally, My dad really. My dad protected us from the visual side. He really took care of us. My dad was traveling preaching, so he actually, he wasn't at home as often. He was always preaching different places. He would come home, you know, after the sermon. My mom was really the one that, that, that, that. That raised us. And when. When they raised us, my mom. My mom tried to keep us kind of protected and sheltered from all the Islam stuff. From, from the threats we were getting. My dad was the opposite. My dad wanted us to know that we were getting death threats. So I remember one time, one time when I was. When I was a kid, a Muslim guy left a. Actually, before I share that story, you know, in Egypt when I was one, I get a. I Don't know what camera to look at. But when you're at the age of one, you get a cross tattooed on your wrist. So at the age of one, you get this cross tattooed on your wrist. I don't know if they can see that, but you get this cross tattooed on your wrist. You take your kid to the front of the church, you get it tattooed. The old school gun. And the reason we get this cross tattooed is the Muslims used to kidnap. The Muslims used to kidnap Christian kids, raise them up in Muslim families, raise them up in Muslim families. And the kid growing up would never know that his parents are really Christian. So he would grow up and the Muslim parents raised him and he would be like, yeah, that's my parents. So the Christian parents would tattoo us from a young age in case the Muslims kidnapped us. In case. Just in case. What if I. What if my kid gets kidnapped at the age of one? What if my kid gets kidnapped at the age of two? What if he gets what a way to live.

[A]

Is that literally what they were doing in Egypt?

[B]

All my family, my brothers, my sister, my dad, my mom, we have this cross on our wrist just in case I get kidnapped. Like. Like, this is the. This is the violent Allah, the demonic prophet Muhammad, that puts fear in the people of God that they can't live. And they come to our country and they're allowed to pray in the street. They come to my country and they're allowed to mock Jesus. They come to my country and they're allowed to pray in this. They come to my country and wear hijabs and open mosques and I can't. I have to go get a tattoo in case I get kidnapped. And this is why we got it. Just. And what they used to do, Pat, is even if they kidnapped you, even if they find a cross on your wrist, what they would do is they would burn it. They would burn it. They would just burn it off your wrist and you would grow up and having a bunch of kids with burn marks on the wrist. And obviously, you know, that guy with a Christian. And the other thing, the other thing, Pat, which is what you were saying. My dad. My dad didn't shelter us from these death threats. I remember a story one time. My dad, he's an amazing, bold man, and my mom was an amazing, courageous woman. But my dad got a death threat. There was a letter left in front of our doorstep. And the letter, when he opened it, it said something along the lines of, stop preaching about Jesus or we're going to kill your family. It was along these slides, I can't remember exactly, my dad opened a letter and most parents would hide that from their kids. I was like maybe six or something. I can't remember. My dad gets all of us out in the living room, the whole family, my brothers, my sister. He gets us all out in the living room. And that note had a number on it. It had the Muslim guy's number that was threatening. My dad gets in the living room and he puts. Dials that number in. He calls the Muslim man that were threatening to kill the whole family, and he puts it on speaker in front of all of us. He puts it on speaker and he answers and he says something along this line, like, from my memory. The conversation was. The spirit of the conversation was mockery. My dad called this Muslim guy and said, hey, you want me to stop preaching Jesus? The Muslim guy's like, yeah, stop preaching Jesus. Well, what are you going to do to me and my family? We're going to kill your family. And my dad starts laughing in the living room. My dad starts laughing at him, mocking him, mocking him, saying, you think I'm getting. You think I'm going to stop preaching Jesus because you. You're threatening me and my wife and my children. And my dad's mocking him. And I'm like, I'm like, to my dad, please stop. Like, I don't want to die. Who is your dad?

[A]

I want to know who your dad is.

[B]

Zoom in.

[A]

That's. That's him in the middle.

[B]

That's my dad. We can. Yeah, he's.

[A]

Is there a video of your dad speaking?

[B]

He speaks, he preaches in Arabic. I translate for him.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

So his English is not too good. But when he preaches, he's a bold line. He doesn't need a microphone. He, He. He's. He's a bold. And that's where we inherited our courage from my dad. We inherited our courage from him. He. We saw him preach in the face of death threats, we saw him preach and we're like, let's go, let's go.

[A]

What do you siblings do?

[B]

All of us are in ministry.

[A]

Everybody.

[B]

All of us. My brother Andrew Saidra and his wife Nolene, ministry. John and Rasma, ministry. Martina and Alex, ministry. Me and my wife, ministry. All of us have laid our life down for the sake of the gospel. We said, like Isaiah, here we are. Lord, send us. So we're all united. We're all speaking the truth about Islam, about the Bible. And that's my brother's day. Zoom in so you can see. Give me My brother, we look like twins. John with the long hair. John was long hair. He's a good looking brother. Me and my. Me and Andrew, we look like the Arabs.

[A]

Now. When you lived in Egypt, remember the whole controversy with, when they would say, you know, if Palestinians are so peaceful, why doesn't Egypt, their neighbor, take that wall?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have you been to that wall, the border wall?

[B]

I haven't. So what is.

[A]

What the. Why don't. Why doesn't Egypt welcome Palestinians?

[B]

Egypt lately has been transforming their country because they want to invite more tourism in. So if you've noticed, Egypt just built like hundreds of millions of dollars they spent on a museum. And literally on their opener, inauguration of the. Of the museum, they put a sign on the top with a drone show saying the country of peace. They know that no one. People don't want to go to Egypt because they know there's terrorism there. You can search up the museum, search the new museum in Egypt. One billion dollar project in Giza Pyramids just launched in 2025. And really they're trying to get more tourism in, and they know if they get the Gazans in, it's not gonna. It's not gonna do too well. So they're trying to, I guess. I'm praying that Egypt, Egypt softens its laws on Christianity. And I'm praying for God to save Egypt once again and for it to return to its former glory as a Christian country 1400 years ago.

[A]

Now going back to Australia, in Australia. Is it true that Australia is the biggest country in the world when it comes down to LGBTQ community? And what is that?

[E]

Yeah, it's okay.

[B]

We're one of them.

[E]

Very gay. Our government has changed a lot of streets.

[B]

We have gay. We have something called World Pride. So everyone has Pride Month. We have World Pride, where drag queens from all around the country come to Sydney to celebrate.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Congratulations. Thank you.

[B]

It's an honor, actually.

[E]

They brought in a law in April of this year called the Conversion Practice Ban Act. And basically it entails that if a preacher or even a parent prays for their child or anybody who is homosexual who comes to you, like, so if someone comes. We preach about this stuff all the time. Someone comes up to us after the service, says, hey, I would love for you to pray. I want to be set free from homosexuality. Would you pray for me? If we pray for them, we could go to prison for up to five years. And not just preachers. This is parents as well. If a parent prays for their child who is struggling with the sin of homosexuality, they could go to prison for five years. And so, I mean, outside Echo Church, we were like, oh, what are we going to do? They made prayer illegal. Which, you know, to me, the first thing I thought when I heard this, because Australia is becoming a very atheist nation. In 1940, we were 96% Christian. Now we are 40%. And so it's becoming increasingly atheist. It's a very cold nation. People are very, very atheists. Yeah.

[A]

Why is that increasing in atheists?

[B]

The church is weak. Look at this, Pat, if we can look it up. In the year 2000, the Harbour Bridge was lit up with the word eternity. If you're right, Eternity. Eternity. Harbour Bridge.

[E]

Yep.

[B]

In the year 2000, the Harbour Bridge on New Year's Eve was lit up with the word eternity. On New Year's Eve, we counted three, two, one. Fireworks. Everybody was thinking about eternity, about God. We were God fearing. Go now to 2023. Go to 2023. Harbour Bridge Pride flag or gay LGBTQ colors? The Harbor Bridge lit up with a rainbow flag. So we went from a Christian country to a secular country, an LGBTQ country. And this is what people don't understand. Listening to me, they might think, what's wrong? What's wrong with lgbtq? Another preacher. I come from a theological perspective and a biblical perspective. The Bible says that pride comes before destruction. The verse that says pride comes before destruction, what does that mean? It means when someone is prideful, destruction is coming their way. When a country is prideful, destruction is coming their way. In the Bible, the story of King Nebuchadnezzar, the Bible says he had the greatest nation, Babylon, and he walked out on his balcony, and when he walked out of his balcony and looked at his kingdom and empire and power, the Bible says that he looked and said, look at the power of my hands. Look at the wealth that my hand has created. And the Bible says, in that moment when his heart became prideful, God turned him into an animal. That man, King Nebuchadnezzar. King Nebuchadnezzar began to behave like an animal. He began to go in the wilderness and crawl like an animal. He began to grow hands like an animal. And what God was saying is, when you reject me, when you accept pride in your country, I will reject you. And sadly, when you see now, prophetically, Nebuchadnezzar had pride, he acted like an animal. What's. What are we seeing now? Pride is. In our countries, we have a bunch of fairies. We have a bunch of fairies, furries. Whatever we call it, you're not A furry. We have a bunch of people, we have a bunch of people acting like dogs, acting like cats in the street. Have you seen those photos of girlfriends with their boyfriend on leashes? This is really, this is Romans 1 says, Romans 1, chapter 1 says, because they reject the truth, because they suppress the truth, because they did not acknowledge God as king, the Bible says God handed them over to three things. And this is prophetic for everyone listening, they might not be Christian. This is prophetic. It says because they suppress the truth. What's the truth? It's not the Quran, it's the Bible. The Bible is the truth when you suppress it. America removed the Bible from their high schools. They removed the ten Commandments, they removed prayer from schools. Biden had drag queens in the White House. Biden removed preachers from the White House. Thank God for Donald Trump who got rid of that and has pastors praying for him in the White House now. But when you do that, Romans 1 says, God will punish you in three ways. Number one, God will hand you over to sexual perversion. That's a punishment. Number one, sexual perversion. You're seeing it now with sexual perverted country pornography and lust and all these things rising. Number two, God would hand them over to unnatural relationships, unnatural relations. And this is what you see. Romans 1 says men laying with men and women laying with women. That's all the way in Romans 1, God prophesies it. And number three, the punishment of Romans 1, he says our God will hand them over to a debased mind, an insane mind, a crazy mind. And that's what you're seeing now. When you reject the truth, that's what you get. And until America and Australia and the west bring the Bible back in schools, bring the ten Commandments back, bring Jesus back in the public square, your country is going to go more crazy. Yeah, we need Jesus back in the country.

[E]

And our job, like as preachers, pastors, is to sniff the devil while he's still far away. And what we've seen prophetically is if you adopt this logic of love is love. If I feel love towards what God has said is out of bounds and is immoral, so long as I feel love, so long as it's my orientation, it makes what God has deemed immoral, it makes it okay. This is a very, very slippery slope all the way down to all forms of wickedness and degeneracy. Because what about the 50 year old man who feels love towards the child? It's the same premises, it's the same, it doesn't matter. What the Bible says, it doesn't matter what God says is moral and immoral. It doesn't matter that God created marriage, therefore only God gets to def define marriage. It doesn't matter what the Bible says, Doesn't matter what God says, so long as I feel love towards that which God deemed immoral. It makes it okay. It justifies it. That same premise can be used to justify anything. It's a can of worms. You can justify pedophilia, you can justify necrophilia. It's a can of worms. And you might. People might say, well, that's extreme. Well, if you cross the first bridge, the second is inevitable because the second is based on the same premises as the first. And you're already seeing it in culture. People always make the mistake of thinking that morality is common sense. Just read history. For a long time, people thought that it was totally okay, that slavery was totally okay. To see a group of people as subservient, to see a group of people as not deemed worthy of human dignity and basic, you know, this is to believe that. To believe that morality is common sense, to believe that we're all. That's not true. And so we're already starting to see, we talk about this, you know, it's not huge in our culture now, this pedophilia, but we're already seeing it. Have you seen how they've changed? It's now no longer called pedophile. They're trying to change the language. It always starts with semantics. Now they're trying to call it minor attracted persons. And so as pastors, our job is. Fifty years ago, people told pastors, stop preaching about homosexuality, stop talking about it. This kind of, you know, this kind of matter shouldn't be spoken about in churches. Well, look where we are today. Young people are cutting their body parts. Young people are so confused. Young people are now the victims of preachers not preaching. And I believe if we don't preach now about minor attracted persons and the demonic ideology that as Islam begins to rise, people will say, well, age is just a number. If we don't preach about this now, prophetically, it will come into our culture.

[A]

So here's a question now, you know Randy Fine. I don't know if you guys know who Randy Fine is. If you don't, he is somebody who was a politician in America. Rob, if you want to pull this up, he's a US Representative. He tweeted something today. And you know, not today, maybe it was yesterday and it was around what the solution is with Muslims. Okay, What Should America do? Now this guy is going, you know, some. Some are calling it extreme. Some people are saying. Yeah, I actually agree with what he's saying, Rob. I don't know if you have the tweet or not. He said a Muslim immigrant burning Holocaust survivor alive in Colorado wasn't enough. A Muslim immigrant executing national guardsmen in Washington, D.C. wasn't enough. Yeah, Rob, if it's. It's one of the tweets from three days. There you go. Muslim immigrants attacking and killing non Muslims in Australia wasn't enough. 9, 11 was enough. October 7th was enough. Now the FBI announced they have arrested five Muslim terrorists who were planning Muslim terror attacks on New Year's Eve in Los Angeles and New Orleans. This has to stop. Diversity is not our strength. Diversity has become suicidal. It is time for Muslim travel ban, radical deportation of all mainstream Muslim, legal and illegal. Legal and illegal. And citizenship revocations, revocations wherever possible. Mainstream Muslim have declared war on us. The least we can do is kick them the hell out of America. Do you agree?

[B]

Look, this is a. This is a tough one. This is a very tough one because it seems Islamophobic, it seems racist. And I think two things, number one, from the top, stop. We've got to stop the immigration. We're really going to fix that problem. And Donald Trump is really doing great with that. He just put a pause on 10 countries or maybe more, especially from the Middle East. So that's very, very important. Let's at least put a pause on it so we can figure out what's actually happening. And Donald Trump did say that a few years ago. He said, let's put a pause on Muslim immigration to figure out what's happening. And if they don't do that, you're going to end up like the uk. The UK kept going and going and going and going and going. And they're like, how long can we play this game? How long can we play this immigration game? And they said, let's give it another year. Let's give it another year. And now they've committed suicide. Now the rape cases are high. Now the terrorist attacks are high. And it's conquered the uk, The Europe where revivals came. John Wesley, Charles Wesley, all the revivalists, most revivalists that started in Europe are now dead because we allowed immigration in without assimilation. And this is what I think the people on the floor here, they need to understand. Every immigrant in this country, they got to understand. I think if you burn the American flag, you are no longer allowed in this country. It might sound Extreme. But if you burn American flag, you're an enemy of America. If you shout death to America, you're an enemy to America. If you hate the Constitution and Muslims hate the Constitution, Muslims hate the Constitution. The whole foundation and cornerstone of the west is freedom. We believe in freedom. What is freedom? We believe in freedom of religion. Muslims don't believe in freedom of religion. They believe you either submit to Allah or you die or pay Jizya tax. We believe in freedom of speech. Do Muslims believe in freedom of speech? No, they don't. If you speak against Muhammad. In fact, there's a verse in the Quran, it says if you critique the Prophet Muhammad, you get killed. They don't believe in freedom of speech. They don't believe in freedom to protest in Hamas. After the ceasefire, Hamas found Palestinians that protested against them. What they do, they shot them dead. There's no freedom. Islam is incompatible with the West. And that statement that he's saying, it might sound racist and Islamophobic, but I kind of get the direction he's talking about. Because Raymond Ibrahim, I'm not sure if you've heard about him. Raymond Ibrahim is a historian, amazing historian, Islamic historian. And he said a quote, he said, muslim immigration, it's like bringing a lion and putting him in a cage with lambs. Islamic immigration is like bringing a lion and putting them in a cage with lambs. And all of a sudden, one lion turns on the lambs and kills a hundred lambs. And we blame the lion. Well, it's not the lion's fault. The lion is behaving like a lion. The lion is always meant to have enemies. The lion has always been the king of the jungle. The lion has always been a ferocious animal, and he kills for a living. And this is the thing. Lions will always do what lions do. And same as Muslims, Muslims will always do what Muslims do. And when you bring one Muslim in the west, they will do what they do best. They will hate the infidel, they will destroy the country. They will bring Sharia law. They will bring Sharia law. And they want it in Michigan. They want it in Texas with Epic City. So I think we need to pause on mass migration. And the Muslims in this country need to feel the fear of the government. They need to feel the fear of God and back off and understand this is a Christian country. Back off from the call to prayer in Michigan. Back off from there's freedom of religion, but do it in your mosque. Go in your mosque, preach whatever you want to preach. And we're going to monitor you because they are preaching hate. We really do got to monitor the mosque, but they got to really back off. The Muslims in this country gotta be humble enough to understand a Christian country allowed you here.

[E]

And I can already hear, like the Christian audience being like, wow, you call yourself pastors. That's not very Christlike of you. That's not very loving of you to say, you know, we have to, you know, bring stricter immigration laws. Actually, this is biblical. Deuteronomy 28. This is actually God's warning to the people of God. Deuteronomy 28. God says to the people. Because he pulled that up. Yeah. Deuteronomy 28:43 to 45. God is warning the people because you do not obey because you've disobeyed me and you've forsaken my law. It'll come up to you. Yeah, Deuteronomy is a bit hard to spell. You probably have to search Deuteronomy.

[A]

There it is. 28.

[E]

Yep, that's the one. 43.

[A]

If you scroll down, Rob, you spelled Deuteronomy. He typed in Dude.

[B]

Dude. It's all right. Dude.

[A]

Dude. Romney.

[B]

Womanology.

[E]

Yeah, that's it.

[B]

Woman, woman. Around me it's like, you know, my.

[A]

My dude Romney is.

[E]

You really put on the spot.

[B]

It's a tough job.

[A]

This is our environment, guys.

[B]

I can't even take that here.

[A]

This is. It happens to all of us.

[E]

So, yeah, so this was God's warning to the people of God. He said, the foreigners who reside among you will rise above you, higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. They will lend to you, but you will not be able to lend to them. So they will financially outrun you. They will outgain you. They will be the head, you will be the tail. All these curses will come on you. Disaster will come you because you did not obey the Lord your God and observe his commands and decrees. And this is exactly what is happening in America. We have, like Americans, people have been saying, we don't want the Bible to be the basis of our moral framework for the civilization. Get your religious views, Christians. Keep your views to yourself. You know, your pro life coming from the Bible. We don't want to hear about it. Keep your Bible to yourself. The truth is, people need to ask themselves in America. They need to ask, what do you want to be as the framework, moral framework for the civilization? What do you want? Because the question is, never will morality be legislated. Because that's what laws are. Laws always legislate morality. People say you can't legislate morality. That's exactly what you should legislate.

[A]

Yeah, and you're making a good point because I think the. The I read a book that called. Was called the Age of Intolerance. I think was the name of the book by pastor because for the longest time, I would pray for four things. Courage, wisdom, tolerance. Under God, give me four things. Courage, wisdom, tolerance, understanding. I no longer pray for tolerance. Yeah, I stopped praying for tolerance in 2020.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And I told my kids, we don't pray for tolerance anymore. It's not gonna. We're not gonna pray for intolerance. Yeah, but we're not praying for tolerance either, because it is. Maybe it's not this. It was a different one. Agent Rob, can you type in Age of Tolerance? It's a pastor that wrote the book. Maybe not Intolerance, but tolerance. Christian book. Is that the one in Nouveau? I don't know which one it is, but it was a Christian pastor that wrote this book. I'll find to send it to you. So here's the other thing I want to ask you about. So Paris just announced, I don't know if you saw this or not, their annual New Year's Eve concert that they do every year. This is a massive event that they hold in Champs Elysees. They're canceling it. Then when you read a little bit further, Italy, their major public New Year events have reportedly been canceled or restricted for 2025 due to safety and crowd reasons. What safety and crowd reasons? Japan, Tokyo. Same thing. Serbia, Same thing. Bunch of different places are worried about what's going to be happening on New Year's Eve, man. What is causing that?

[B]

Islam robs the joy out of the country. This is Islam robs joy. Islam robs the peace out of the country. We call Jesus the Prince of peace. The Christian countries are meant to have peace in it. We're meant to celebrate New Year's Eve together without worrying, am I going to get bombed? And this is Jesus, the Prince of Peace. And what fun. What. What fascinates me pat, is Muslims. Every time they say Muhammad, they say, may peace be upon him. Have you noticed they can't say Muhammad without saying Muhammad, May peace be upon him. The problem is every time Muhammad goes somewhere, there's never peace. Every time Muhammad go, news Eve cancelled. Christmas tree burnt in London. Christmas tree burnt in the uk, they find a baby Jesus beheaded by a Muslim. Everywhere they go, they claim Muhammad, the Prince of Peace. I'm like. And actually they say, Muhammad, may peace be upon him. I Want to change it? I want to change it, Pat to not Muhammad. May peace be upon him. I want to change it to Muhammad. May the police be upon him. Everywhere this guy goes, everywhere he goes, there is terrorist attacks. We can't enjoy New Year's Eve as Christians now. We can't enjoy Christmas. You know, Christmas. We're about to have a Christmas production at our home church at Echo Church, Sydney, Australia. We're about to have a Christmas production. We have to buy German shepherds. We have to call the. We can't have guns.

[A]

We can't have guns to buy German shepherds.

[B]

How do I. How. How do we protect our people? We. We have our security table.

[A]

Can you hire cops to be outside the place?

[B]

We're gonna try. We're gonna try. Yeah, we're going to try. And I'm like. I'm like, why do I have to think about that on Christmas? The birth of my Lord Jesus Christ, the most joyous season of the year. I have to think about you.

[E]

Hey, guys, Millicent Cedra here. If you have any questions on Christianity, on Jesus, the Bible, Christians getting involved in politics, I would love to be there, answer your questions. I'd love to hear from you. And please just reach out to me.

[B]

On Manect like you made it all about you. I have to worry if you're going to bomb my church. And they're saying, by the way, the Muslims are saying there's many more terrorist attacks to come. So who knows? I might be messaging you in a few weeks saying, hey, they attacked our church and we might need you. I don't know what they're gonna do New Year's Eve, Christmas. Why are we living like this? Like, why are we doing this? And the problem, we keep blaming the Muslims. It's our fault. Why are we living like that? Why are we living in fear? Let's bring Jesus back, the Prince of Peace. And this is, by the way, Christmas. The whole Christmas message and prophecy is this. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given. And this is what he says. He says, and he shall be called Wonderful counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, and the last one, Prince of Peace. Christmas is meant to be a peaceful season, but it's not because of Islam to you.

[A]

I mean, we've had a lot of different folks. We did a Muslim debate one time here. Two Muslims are sitting on this side, two Christians sitting on this side. They're going back and forth. It got heated. And it was a brother Rasheed was here, another fellow named Daniel Jacob. And we had one other gentleman, Robert Spencer, that was here as well. And it went back and forth, very heated. It was respectful, but it was very heated. Back and forth, back and forth. And then we had Sam Shamoon on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he did a great job. And then they came back. So for you, how often do you guys debate Muslims? How often are you. Is it a regular thing that you go in and debating other Muslims?

[B]

I try. I try to debate Muslims. They never want to talk. All they want to do is violence. All they want to do. I was in the street one time in the city in Sydney. I was in the street and me and Millie were walking. I happened to bump into a guy and I end up talking to him about Jesus. And the guy's like, to me, why should I follow Jesus, not Muhammad and not Allah, not Islam? What makes you think Christianity is a religion? And I start to explain to him the difference between Christianity, Islam, Jesus versus Muhammad. And a Muslim security guard across the street comes, literally, Millie was there. He comes staunching me, angry, crossing the street, leaving his shift, coming. And he's angry. He's like, what did you say about my prophet Muhammad? What did you talk about? And I'm like, to him, relax, relax. Can we talk? Can we debate? Can we use some intellect here? Can you use your mouth instead of your fist and sword? And he doesn't want to talk. So in Australia, I've tried to debate these guys. I've tried to talk to them. They don't want to. And the reason is there's no intellect behind it. We can fry a Muslim, like deep fry him intellectually. The fact that they believe in underage marriage, the fact that they believe a man can beat his wife up, the fact that they believe, you know, that Muhammad flew on a donkey to Jerusalem. This is just weird stuff. Historically, stupid Muhammad saw an angel and he thought he was deep. It just. It doesn't make sense. The whole Islam thing doesn't make sense, sir. They don't want to debate. And that's the thing about Islam. Someone said before, the sword of Muhammad hangs over the head of the preacher. This is really the picture. The sword of Muhammad hangs over the head of the preacher. You talk about Muhammad, I'll come after you. And that's. We're really putting our life in danger right now. Muslims listening. They're really going to try. They're really going to try to come after us. And I try to talk to them and their sword is picked up, same as the left. Right. They couldn't speak up to Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk, the martyr, the man of God, the hero, the courageous man. All he did was debate with the left. All he did was debate. All he said was, hey, let's talk. This is the marketplace of ideas. Let's debate ideas. And we as Christians believe in the marketplace of ideas. But the left don't and Muslims don't. The left, when you can't, when they can't debate you, they shoot you. That's what they did to Charlie Kirk. Cowards. They're cowards and they're unintellectual. They have no reason or fact. Same as the Muslims. When they don't know what to do, they just kill you. They just come after you. Both left and Muslims can't debate a Christian. Can the two coexist, Islam and Christianity. It is incompatible with the West. Islam is incompatible with the West.

[A]

Then how do you disagree with Randy Fine and what he's saying?

[B]

Randy, if it's the fellow that, that's what I'm saying, I don't dis, I don't disagree with. I'm not sure about the application, what way, what process. Are we going to do it over 10 years? Are we going to do it over 20 years? The, the, the. His idea is 100, right? Islam is incompatible with the West. What out of Islam is compatible with us? The, the child marriage. Like Muhammad marrying a six year old and raping her and sleeping with her at 9.

[E]

Like what about the treatment of women? Like they, it's mesmerizing to me with the whole Zahra and Mamdani, you see jump on social media and there's a bunch of, you know, young 20 year old girls being like, oh, Sharia law Zahrani, you can't wait to vote him in. Can't wait for Sharia law. You have a bunch of feminists that are pro Islam. It's the most oxymoronic. They're walking contradictions. Because I'm like, do you know how women are treated under Islam? Did you know that the Quran, it commands Muslim men to, if they even fear disobedience from their wives, they are commanded to beat her. It's interesting that Aisha, it's recorded in the hadith, Aisha saw a woman who had been beaten so badly that her skin was green. And Aisha, Aisha, the favorite wife of Muhammad, she herself said, why is it she said this to Muhammad? She said, why is it that the women of our faith are treated worse than any other woman on the earth? She said their skin is greener than their clothes. And you know what happened, what Muhammad did, he punishes the woman for being a bad wife. Many women, these feminists that are pro Islam, I'm like, did you know that in Muslim countries that there has to be four male witnesses? Not four witnesses. Four male witnesses. If a woman is accusing a man of rape. So there has to be four male witnesses, which there is a study that came out.

[A]

What do you mean four male witnesses?

[E]

Four male witnesses to the rape in order to provide evidence.

[A]

So she says, he raped me?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

She has to have four witnesses.

[E]

That witness, not witnesses, Male witnesses.

[A]

Male witnesses that witnessed her being raped by that one man.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Can you verify that?

[E]

So there was.

[A]

That's under Sharia law, the requirement for four male witnesses in Islamic law applies to consensual extramarital sex, not to the non consensual crime of rape. Rape is considered a severe crime in Islam. And if it's proof, that's not necessarily.

[E]

No. A study came out that as many of half of women who go to court and say they've been raped in Pakistan, half of these women, not only do they not get justice, they get charged with adultery. They themselves get charged with adultery. So they can say that all they want.

[B]

Women. Women are the most oppressed people.

[E]

So I'm like, yeah, to you, me too. Movement to you feminists. I'm like, you really want Sharia law? Your. Your witness is worth half that of a man's. And Muhammad said in, in the hadith, it says it's because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. So this is just oxymoronic. They're a walking contradiction.

[B]

Islam, by the way, oppresses women. It is. It is the most. The people I feel sorry for in Islam are not the men. They're jihadis. I care about the woman, the woman. I feel my heart breaks for them. There's some women, obviously, who really send their kids to bomb themselves, but my heart breaks for the woman. Women in Islam, they have to cover themselves. It is oppression. Why they tempt the man In Afghanistan, you can look it up. In 2023, in Afghanistan, they passed a law. They passed a law. That woman, the men said to the government, hey, I know the woman is covering her head. She's still tempting me. Can you cover her face? Should they cover their face? Then the Taliban in 2023, 2023, the Taliban, the men go up to the government and say, hey, the woman is still tempting us. How are they tempting you? Their head is covered and their face is covered. What is tempting you now? Her hijab. No, no. Her voice is tempting me. So in 2023, the Taliban passed the law. Women are no longer allowed to sing, speak, or laugh in public. Look it up, Afghanistan.

[A]

You gotta be kidding me. As of 2020, the Taliban has banned women from singing, speaking loudly, or laughing in public. These restrictions are part of a broader set of. Of vice and virtue laws that aim to erase women from public life.

[B]

Why? Because it tempts me. You're an animal. You are an animal. You are. It's like an animalistic culture. I have a dog at home. I have a dog at home. And when I want to leave my food on the table, I leave my food on the table. I tell my wife, milk, I'll leave my food on the table. Can I leave it overnight? She tells me, no. I'm like, why?

[E]

She can't control herself.

[B]

I'm like, why? She says, a dog will get it.

[E]

She'll eat it.

[B]

I'm like, tell the doctor, control himself. Tell her that little chihuahua, tell her to control herself. She says she can't control himself. She's an animal. When she sees a chicken, she has to eat that chicken. And it's kind of same as Islam. Islam is an animalistic culture. The man can't control himself, so he covers her head. He still can't control himself, so he covers his face. He still can't control himself. So they tell her, shut up, stop speaking, stop singing, stop laughing. What's next? You want to just kill the woman? You want to just get rid of the woman? You may as well do that. And this is the beauty of Jesus Christ. What does Jesus say? He says, if you look at a woman with lust, you have already committed adultery in your heart. Jesus says, turn the other way. Don't look at a woman with lust. Jesus says, we must honor women in Christianity. We view women as made in the image of God. Every woman I see, whether Christian, Muslim, atheist, or a prostitute. If I see a prostitute in the street naked, I would turn my eyes the other way. Why? She was made in the image of God. God loves that woman. God honors that woman. I don't honor her because she honors herself. I honor her because God loves her. I honor. That's a doctrine of imago dei. Imago dei, the Latin phrase for image of God. Whether you like it or not, every woman was created in the image of God, whether on a porn site on OnlyFans. She was created in the image of God, and that's the beauty of Jesus Christ. He doesn't blame the woman. He Blames the man and rape cases. By the way, there was a Muslim imam. What's his name? Zakir something. He's this crazy Muslim imam.

[E]

He justifies. If you look at up.

[B]

Yeah, let's look him up.

[E]

If you look up.

[B]

Yeah, let's.

[E]

If you look up Indian. Indian, Indian, Islam.

[B]

Right. Zakir something.

[E]

That's what it is. It's Akir images. Go image. Yeah, that's the K night. If you look up justifies a girl.

[A]

Asks, a young girl asks him what happens to women. When Is that what you're talking about?

[B]

Or justifying rape?

[E]

Type his name.

[B]

Rob and I know what you're talking about.

[A]

Yeah, put it in YouTube and say justifying rape.

[E]

Lots of videos.

[A]

What does he say about justifying rape?

[E]

He says you have to look at what the woman was wearing. If she's dressing immodestly, then who's to blame? Then the woman is to blame because she's not been following.

[B]

It's on my Instagram, actually. If you. Oh, there it is.

[E]

Yeah, that's the one.

[D]

Hypothetically, if he rapes and he murders a girl and if the court of law in this country or in this world cannot prove him wrong and he goes scot free, later on he realizes his mistake and he truly repents. And he knows that Allah is Rahman Rahim. And if he truly repents, Allah will forgive. His question is, then will that be justice to the girl who has been raped and killed? Now first you have to understand that Allah says in the Quran in sur. It is Allah who has created death and life to test which of his will. This life is a test for the we have been tested. So Allah tested different people in different ways. There are five criteria required for forgiveness. Number one is you admit what you have done is wrong. Number two, see to it that you stop it immediately. Immediately. Number three, see to it that you don't do it again. Number four is that you ask forgiveness from Allah. If all these criteria are fulfilled, inshallah, I'll forgive you even if you have committed rape, which is a major sin. And if you have committed murder, it's a major sin. But if you truly repent, Allah will forgive you. As we know, Allah is a man of four more.

[B]

Wait, go to my Instagram. Go to my Instagram. Go Martin Cedra, Instagram.

[E]

That's the guy. But it's the wrong. He basically puts it on what she was wearing.

[B]

Go down, down, down, down a little bit more. Oh, this guy's crazy. He. He is. He is crazy. What? He's huge.

[E]

By the way, he does. He feels stadiums. This.

[B]

This man go down.

[E]

He's a very famous imam.

[B]

Go down more. Down a little bit more. Yes, a little bit more. Nearly there, nearly there.

[E]

That's it.

[B]

On the left. Bottom left there. Yeah. No, up.

[A]

Right. Right one. Right one.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Yeah, right there.

[B]

No. Yeah, that one.

[D]

Just a modesty. She is dressed up immorally, which people get excited and the rape is done. Who's to blame if she walks in clothes because of which the rape could pay them, she's responsible for the girl. Was she following the advice of Allah subhana tala by wearing appropriate clothes or not? If she was not, then she's to blame. To attract the men.

[B]

Muslim men conquer animals, woman's head. This is crazy. This is. This is unbelievable. In Islam, by the way. You know, in Islam, they're allowed to have non Muslim sex slaves. So they can't have a sex slave that's a Muslim. But if that's what your right hand possesses, right, you can sleep with your wife or what your right hand possesses, you're allowed to have a non Muslim sex slave. Why? The Quran calls non Muslims apes and pigs. So Hitler, Hitler, Hitler called the Jews rats, right? Hitler put propaganda up all across the walls that the Jews are rats. So he dehumanized the Jews in the nation's eyes. So when they went to kill the Jews, it was easier to kill the Jews. Why? The Jews are not humans, they're rats. He dehumanized them, same as Muhammad. Muhammad dehumanizes infidels, Christians, Jews, atheists. He calls us not rats. He's a bit nicer. I'm an ape and a pig. And as an ape and a pig, what's wrong with killing him as an ape and a pig? What's wrong with raping them as an ape and a pig? What's wrong with beheading that guy? What's wrong with stabbing Bishop Maramari? What's wrong with killing 15 Jews? What's wrong with. What's wrong with terror attacks? They're apes and pigs. We got to kill them anyway. And that's why October 7th was very justified for them. October 7th, there was a Muslim man who literally killed 10 Jews. And he calls his mom. There was a WhatsApp video audio. He calls his dad and mom and says, dad, dad, mom, I killed 10 Jews. Praise God, Allah, Allahu Akbar. And they're praising him. They're like, good job, son. You did amazing. I'm like, wow. This is like. To kill an infidel is like the greatest heroic.

[A]

Can you find that, Rob?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

I understand. I'll try answer.

[A]

Don't worry.

[B]

It's for the majority of Arab speakers here. What's going to. Okay, this is a Palestinian, not affiliated with Hamas. According to what he says. Just a citizen. And he's saying, dad, Allah Akbar. I call, I just killed 10 Jews. I have their blood on my hand. I stole her phone. I'm speaking with you from her phone. And the parents celebrate. The parents say, well done in Arabic. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I've never seen this. Photos.

[B]

He's sending photos. Hello, Islam. Islam for everyone listening.

[A]

Can you go to the chat, Rob, to see if anybody questioned Grog to see what day this is? Go a little bit lower. I'm sure somebody did Grok. This is. I'm older than your state. Keep going down, see if you find Grok. If anybody asked, There's no croc what it says. Yeah, you keep doing it and look for it. But to me, that's nasty on, on what they celebrate and how they view it. But, you know, the other side will come and say, well, look at the stuff that Netanyahu did. Look what Bibi is doing. Look what they're doing right now, you know, and, and they, they allow this. If they're so great, why they let it open up? And anyways, all these conversations, these debates, we've seen plenty of them that has taken place.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

The reality of it is if, if they're not compatible, just stay in your country.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't leave it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And, and, and this is what, what, what the west need to understand about Islam. Islam is not a religion. It's a political movement. They are here to establish Sharia law. In fact, in the first hundred years after Muhammad's death, they had conquered 50 to 60% of the Christian world. Islam is not a religion. They are expansive. The two religions that are expensive, Pat, is not Hinduism. It's not Judaism. The two religions that are expensive is Christianity and Islam. In Christianity, we're expansive. We want to preach to the whole world. Jesus, before he ascended into heaven, he said, go into all the world, preach the gospel, make disciples and baptize them. We want to save people. The second religion that's expensive is Islam. But their way of expansion is not like us. It's not baptized, disciple, and preach the truth. Their way of expansion is to establish Sharia law. They go in countries that are Christians. And that's why, by the way, if you ever notice all the Muslim immigrants, they never move to a Muslim country. There's 54 Muslim states. But for some reason no Muslim immigrants ever move there. They always move to the West. Why the west is Christian. I gotta take that country, I gotta conquer that country. And that's what they want. They want Sharia law. And for all my listeners not knowing what Sharia law is, Sharia law is simply the Islamic divine law. You can view it that way. Sharia law is there Islamic divine law. If you want to view it, we have our ten Commandments. They have have their Sharia law. And under Sharia law when people say I love Sharia law or maybe let's bring Sharia law to Texas, let's bring Sharia law to Michigan. How beautiful. Sharia law. Under Sharia law apostates are killed. If you leave Islam you die. Under Sharia law, homosexuals are thrown off buildings. Under Sharia law trans are stoned to death. Under Sharia law husbands can beat their wives up. Under Sharia law you can marry a six year old. Under Sharia law you will die if you critique or speak against Muhammad. That is Sharia law. Under Sharia law gamblers and drinkers are whipped. Under Sharia law, adulterers are killed. That's Sharia law, that's Sharia. You really want Sharia law? No, I don't want Sharia law. I would prefer Jesus Christ. And this is the thing I always tell people, let's compare Jesus versus Muhammad. Let's compare Muhammad versus Jesus for a second. Muhammad said, kill the infidel. Jesus said love your enemies. Muhammad before he died said, may Allah curse the Jews and the Christians. Jesus before he died said, father forgive them them for they don't know what they do. Muhammad started 84 raids and wars in his lifetime. Jesus didn't start any wars in his lifetime. Muhammad had 11 women, 11 wives and raped slaves. Jesus honored women and covered them. Muhammad married a six year old, slept with her at nine. Jesus protected children. He said, let the young children come unto me. Muhammad, the woman caught in adultery stoned her to death. What did Jesus do with the woman caught in adultery? He said neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more. Muhammad is completely different to Jesus. Muhammad tells men and husbands that you can beat your wife up. What does Jesus say in Ephesians 5 husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church. Jesus versus Muhammad, Just compare them for a moment. Compare the founder of Christianity versus the founder of Islam and you decide what religion you want to follow. And for all my atheists you got to pick. You got to really pick. The more evil you see the More you realize, if evil exists, good must exist. If the devil exists, Christianity, there must be a God out there. There must be good out there. And the question is, who is it?

[E]

And I think the greatest litmus test to know, what standard of morality do you want as the basis of the nation? The litmus test is very simple. As you said, what country do you want to live in? If you want an atheist, if you want an atheistic standard of morality, okay, go to China. Like, go to North Korea, if that's. If. If you think this idea of, of humanity, that we're just cosmic accidents and there's no inherent value because we're a bunch of cosmic accidents, we weren't created by a divine creator. We weren't created by him, then, okay, go to these countries that believe that, where we see millions of people that died under Stalin, under Mao, okay, go live there. If you truly like. It's so strange to me, seeing Christians in popular podcasts and media dancing with Sharia law. I'm like, okay, this is a litmus test. If you truly want to sympathize with Sharia law and you think it's going to be better as the basis of morality for the nation, better than Christianity, then go live under Sharia law. But you don't want to live there. And you see Muslims all the time. They get interviewed in America. I see so, so many videos of people on the street asking them, do you want Sharia law in. In America? They're like, yes. Well, do you want to move to Afghanistan then? Do you want to go back? No, they want to live in America. Why? It's not because of the beaches. You don't, you don't come to America because of the resources and because you come here because it's blessed by God and it has a foundation of Christianity. That's why it's blessed. It's freedom. It's free. And so to all the atheists, for example, like, we have, you know, a lot of people say, well, why can't we just have secularism? Why not secularism where everybody gets to moral. Relative to moral relativism, you get to decide what is moral. You can think it's okay to murder babies, and I can think that that's murder. You can think abortion is healthcare, I can think it's murder. Why not that secularism is not a standard of morality. It's the absence of a standard of morality. It leaves a moral vacuum. And when we have that, which is what we're seeing, and I believe that's why we're seeing Islam rise in the nation of America is because we've had a moral vacuum where we've thrown the Bible out of politics. We've said, okay, let's just moral relativism. Everybody can decide. Well, that leaves a moral vacuum, and Islam will happily take the place. And Christians have been saying, oh, we won't get involved in politics. That's why you've got Zohar and Momdani. The Muslims are very happy to get involved in politics.

[A]

Well, I think that's where we could finish this podcast because that's the choice the audience got to make.

[E]

Yep.

[A]

They got to decide what direction they want to go to. And, you know, there's a lot of guys out there that are strong, you know, apologetics, or, you know, they're going out there, you know, non denominational. They're preaching, you know, the Bible and the ward, but very few power couples. You guys are a power couple.

[B]

Oh, very impressive.

[A]

Good for you.

[B]

I appreciate it.

[A]

You know, it's, it's. I knew you and I saw the stuff you were doing. You're very impressive.

[E]

Thank you.

[A]

And you, you have, you want to have seven kids. That's amazing.

[B]

Yes, we're gonna try.

[E]

We have to beat the Muslims.

[A]

Well, I'll give you the final word words you want to say before we wrap up.

[B]

Oh, it. Pat, I want one of the greatest threats in America right now. And this is a weird way to end. But. But babies is there is what they call Muslims call it the jihad of babies. And, and I was listening to a Muslim imam. He said, Islam will conquer the west through one way. One of the ways was through the womb of the woman. Islam will conquer the west through the womb of the woman. The womb of the west versus the womb of the Middle east, the womb of the church versus the womb of the mosque, the womb of the people of the cross versus the womb of the people of the crescent. And Christianity is at 2.7 billion Christians. So we're the biggest religion in the world. Islam's at 1.8 billion Muslims, so they're not bigger than us. But Islam is the fastest growing religion. And they're not growing by conversions. They're growing by procreation, while the west, we're aborting our babies. American murders aborts 1 million babies. Every single year. We kill 1 million babies in a womb. We're aborting our babies. Number two, while the west is promoting feminism, the feminist movement is telling young women, you're an entrepreneur, you don't need to have any babies. Have one babies. You're too busy. You've got a career. Don't have babies. I bought your babies. So we've got the feminism movement telling the women don't have babies. And number three, we've got the LGBTQ ideologies telling men that men can sleep with men. And we know that Adam and Steve can't have babies. Right? It's only Adam and Eve can have babies.

[A]

So scientists, scientific.

[B]

So scientifically. So we're doing all that. And meanwhile, what are the Muslims doing? They're having four to five babies, and Muhammad commands the men that they can have two, three, or four wives. So there are some Muslim men in the UK that have three, four wives, and obviously they're getting welfare because nobody knows about. And it's not legal. They have three, four wives, and with every wife, they have three to four kids. So. And you end up now with a. With a. With. We're in a very bad place. The west is not even at replacement. Right. We're not even replacing. To replace yourself, you need to have more than two babies. So we end up with one or two babies. What do the Muslims have? They end up with four to five babies. And if the man marries four women, you do the math, that's 16 to 20 babies per Muslim family. So. And one of the first commandments in Genesis was, be fruitful and multiply. And that's why me and Millie were like, hey, if God willing, we're gonna have seven babies, I hope so. And make a preachers.

[A]

Well, keep at it. Keep at it. It's been a pleasure having you guys on. What a great story. And. And the time of it, the fact that this happened in Australia and you guys are here flying in, and I know you guys doing a bunch of other things while you're here as well. Keep at it. So impressive watching you guys. I am sure we're gonna have you guys on many, many more times.

[B]

Oh, that'll be amazing. It was an honor. Thank you.

[A]

Where can people find you guys? Where would you like people?

[B]

Yeah, Instagram, @martinsedra, millicentra, or our websites. And. And, yeah, we love America and we're praying for America to remain Christian.

[A]

Right. Please put both of them below so the audience can go follow this wonderful couple. And I think you're speaking at Turning Point, usa, if I'm not mistaken.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's gonna be. It's gonna be fantastic.

[B]

Amen.

[A]

Take care, guys. Appreciate you guys.

[B]

We love you.

[A]

I appreciate it. God bless everybody. Go follow them. Take care, everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye, bye.

[B]

Hey, guys. Pastor Martin Cedro here. If you have any questions about Jesus, Christianity, Islam, or maybe you just want to know a little bit more about Muhammad versus Jesus.

[A]

Just.

[B]

I'm here for you if you need anything. If you need a church, we're planting a church all across America. So reach out to me through minect.