Bongino RESIGNS, Reiner Murders SHOCKING Updates + Shapiro SLAMS Tucker, Candace & Fuentes | PBD Podcast | Ep. 703

Summary

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PBD Podcast Ep. 703 Summary

Date: December 19, 2025
Host: Patrick Bet-David (Pat)
Co-hosts/Panel: Tom, Adam, Vinnie

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles a high-energy mix of major breaking news and hot topics:

• Dan Bongino’s resignation from the FBI deputy director role
• Stunning updates in the Nick Reiner murder case
• Fiery fallout between major conservative influencers at Turning Point USA (Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes)
• An in-depth look at the latest polling in the 2028 JD Vance vs. AOC race
• Political donor drama and the influence of major events on the conservative movement
• Media industry shakeups as Barstool takes its flagship podcasts exclusively to Netflix
  All delivered with the PBD Podcast’s unique blend of banter, sharp opinion, and passionate debate.

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Key Discussions and Insights

1. Dan Bongino’s "Shock" Resignation from the FBI

[11:57–24:35]

• Announcement: Dan Bongino, deputy director of the FBI, announces his resignation. Speculation swirls about reasons and replacement.
• Pat’s Read: “Dan Bongino, a man who is loved by his audience... I want to thank President Trump, AG Bondi, Patel for the opportunity to serve with purpose.” (12:10)
• Tom’s Take: Not surprised; describes Bongino as a man with “deep, narrow principles” who struggled in an organization as complex and at times corrupt as the FBI. “You could see the frustration in Dan Bongino... It’s hard to be a direct control.” (12:44)
• Vinnie’s Theory: Bongino was hamstrung by FBI bureaucracy, unable to pursue big issues like Epstein, which he championed before taking the job.
  • “That video... that didn’t look like it was him speaking, especially not the guy from the podcast.” (15:00)
• Adam’s Counterpoint: Pushes back on the “Bongino betrayed us” narrative: “Dan Bongino is a patriot…Just because he comes into the FBI...everything that he's ever done is compromised? To me, that's B.S.” (16:48)

Memorable Moment:

Vinnie and Adam’s heated exchange:
Vinnie: “My opinion, the guy, the Christian guy that was talking about Epstein... came in and... he killed himself. Give me a break.”
Adam: “You give me a break. Dan Bongino lacks credibility?” (19:27–19:33)

• Pat’s Perspective: You can't take every job—“Don’t take the job. There is no way you could do the job [as a strong Christian in that position].” (23:52)
• Forecast: Anticipation for Bongino’s return to commentary/podcasting—will he be able to tell the whole truth?

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2. White House Hanukkah Party & Miriam Adelson's $250 Million Pledge

[24:35–38:23]

• The Event: Recap of the White House Hanukkah party, attended by Miriam Adelson, Mark Levin, Adam (co-host), and others.
• Main Drama: Miriam Adelson’s tongue-in-cheek $250 million donation pledge if Trump seeks a third term—media immediately spins it.
  • Adam: “It’s sarcasm…If you give $250 million, you’re gonna get a little stage time. That’s how it works.” (29:40)
• Mark Levin’s Viral Hug: Mark calls Trump “the first Jewish president.”
  • Tom: "He's manhandling him." (27:28)
  • Pat: “I would be very uncomfortable if somebody put their arms around me like that… You don’t do that publicly with the camera on.” (35:04)
• Trump’s Religion: Spirited debate—Is Trump a Christian?
  • Vinnie rolls a clip: “He just said, 'I’m not Christian.’” (30:28)
  • Adam: "Trump was raised Presbyterian but now identifies as non-denominational Christian." (30:43)

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3. Turning Point USA – Conservative Civil War: Shapiro vs Tucker, Candace, Fuentes

[41:38–59:54]

• Turning Point’s Expansion: Erica Kirk announces record numbers—50 new chapters daily, 1M student members.
  • Pat: “Numbers are unbelievable...this is extremely impressive.” (41:39)
• Ben Shapiro’s Speech (42:05):
  • Directly calls out Nick Fuentes (“Hitler apologist, Nazi-loving”), Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and Andrew Tate.
  • “If you have that person [Fuentes] on your show and you proceed to glaze him, you ought to own it...That is precisely what Tucker Carlson did.” (42:36, 43:04)
• Tucker’s Response (44:06):
  • Mocks “deplatforming” calls at a free speech event like Turning Point.
  • “I laughed, that kind of bitter, sardonic laugh ... To hear calls for, like, deplatforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event? … This is hilarious.” (44:24)
• Adam’s Political Lens:
  • “Who is helping coalesce, build a coalition? … Are you helping bring people together to win midterms [for Trump and his agenda], or are you trying to tear it down?” (45:45)
  • Calls Tucker “fake” for reportedly moving to Qatar.
• Vinnie’s Critique:
  • “Why would Ben Shapiro go up in front of TPUSA and talk shit about two other people...? That’s your moment.” (48:54)
• Pat’s Analysis:
  • “Tucker is a more talented person than Ben…Ben is brilliant. Tucker is talented and capable…Tucker went emotions, heart, love. Ben is logic.” (52:31)
  • “It’s a power grab. Who’s going to be the face of the conservative movement?” (57:22)
• Overall: The segment captures a conservative movement torn between unity and infighting, strategy and ego.

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4. 2028 JD Vance vs. AOC Poll Shock

[61:54–87:25]

• The Poll:
  • Newsweek/Argument Verisite survey: AOC leads JD Vance 51-49 in a hypothetical 2028 matchup (margin of error: ±2.7%).
  • Tom: “It’s a real poll and people should be concerned…It means a consolidated Democrat side is closer than you think.” (62:14)
• AOC’s Response Video:
  • “Let the record show...I will stop him [Vance].” (65:51)
• Cynicism on Polling:
  • Adam: “This is a left-leaning poll that was just created…How much credibility do you give this organization? … I’m at zero, maybe 1%.” (69:12)
• Pat’s Warning:
  • “That’s pompous…That’s by far the worst argument to have…Never underestimate your opponent...” (71:52)
  • Cites the surprise election wins by left/progressives as a warning to overconfident conservatives.
• Consensus: The team agrees AOC is an influencer and a threat, and the GOP must not sleep on this trend.

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5. Nick Reiner’s First Court Appearance: The Hollywood Tragedy

[88:46–104:58]

• Recap: Nick Reiner, son of Hollywood icons Rob and Michelle Reiner, makes first court appearance for allegedly murdering his parents.
• Bizarre Preceding Events:
  • Michelle Obama appears on late-night TV mourning the Reiners; Adam and Tom recall strange, dark video clips, old tweets, and troubling roast jokes about the family.
  • Reports of Nick in rehab 18 times by age 22 (“By the age of 22, he went to rehab 18 times”—Pat, 96:14).
• Key Moment:
  • Adam—raw personal share: “The person most likely to kill you is someone you know... This, to me, comes down to a parent's love gone horribly wrong.” (102:55)
• Panel’s Consensus:
  • The story is a Hollywood tragedy touching on addiction, family dysfunction, and media hypocrisy.

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6. Barstool Sports Moves Podcasts to Netflix – Media Shakeup

[105:13–111:45]

• Announcement: “Barstool is partnered with Netflix for three of our top podcasts. Exclusive video only on Netflix starting next year.” (108:53)
• Tom’s Take: “As podcasts are increasingly video…Netflix is signing free agents and staking their claim to the future.” (108:43)
• Listener Poll: 93% say PBD Podcast should stay “on YouTube/Spotify,” not go exclusive to Netflix.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Pat (on Tucker vs Ben): “You’re married to Ben…but you’re attracted to Tucker.” (54:28)
• Tom (on Bongino): “He discovered what a broad, and maybe a little corrupt here and there, organization it was.” (12:44)
• Adam (on conservative infighting): “There’s a lot of infighting within MAGA...The last thing Charlie Kirk wants is Nick Fuentes and Candace and even Tucker being the face of the new MAGA establishment.” (45:45)
• Vinnie (on Candace Owens): “Let him [Nick Fuentes] sit in front of Steven Crowder and say his point. I learned more about him through his podcast than I ever knew...That’s awesome.” (48:13)
• Pat (on political strategy): “Never ever underestimate your opponent that is willing to go to all levels to get the job done.” (76:23)

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Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------|---------------| | Bongino’s resignation, FBI speculation | 11:57–24:35 | | WH Hanukkah party, donations, Jewish vote | 24:35–38:23 | | TPUSA infighting: Ben vs. Tucker, Candace | 41:38–59:54 | | AOC vs. JD Vance poll, GOP overconfidence | 61:54–87:25 | | Nick Reiner murder, Hollywood reactions | 88:46–104:58 | | Barstool/Netflix exclusive deal | 105:13–111:45 | | Santa surprise, fan contest winner | 111:54–122:55 |

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Final Thoughts – Host’s Closing Reflections

• The panel agreed that the right faces an inflection point: unity vs. ego, substance vs. style, action over arrogance.
• “Faith over fear” was a recurring motif, connecting personal and political courage.
• The specter of the 2028 election and the surging left (“the AOC effect”) is sounding an alarm—complacency is the enemy.
• The episode ends on a warm note, with Santa joining the show and a fan winning a guest spot, reminding listeners of family, fun, and gratitude even amid relentless political battle.

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For New Listeners

This energetic, debate-filled episode offers an unvarnished look at how the country’s biggest personalities and trends are shaping the conservative movement, grappling with infighting, crisis, and change. It’s deeply opinionated but rich in insight, mixing hard news with real emotion and authentic banter.

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Transcript

[Tom]

Did you ever think you were made.

[Pat]

For me, Adam?

[Tom]

What's your point?

[Pat]

The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one.

[Tom]

My son's right about.

[Pat]

I don't think I've ever said this before. Okay, so let me start off by saying we are late today because of me. Because my 4 year old was performing for Christmas event, the biggest event of the year at our school this year, and she was up there. And you know, as a father, when you stand up and there's a thousand people in the crowd and you look like a little geek and you're like, hey, please, do you see me? And then she just goes like this. And she goes like this. And that's all you wanted, all the money in the world, baby. That's all I wanted to see this morning. But we're here together in the podcast. We have a guy that apparently he is official. He went from the biggest Trump hating guy that he would sit here, you know, fight.

[Adam]

You're never gonna get me.

[Pat]

To Elijah. And always having temper tantrums.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Okay, to. All of a sudden he's at the White House with the President, with running around with all these, you know, people and yarmulke kissing the wall type of stuff going on. And you know, Mark Levin putting his hands around the president, saying he's the biggest Jewish president we've had. And Adam's right there in the room. So forgive Marlon Maples, by the way.

[Adam]

Shout out to that gorgeous lady with Marlowe.

[Pat]

So anyways, so that's, that's what's going on today. We got a lot of stories. Turning Point USA yesterday. Apparently these two guys who, you know, there's, there's real serious talks of, you know, the UFC matchup that they're doing at the White House. There is a talk of maybe Tucker Carlson against Ben Shapiro. And people are actually buying into it. That could happen. There's a possibility because Ben gives a talk. Okay. You never want to be the first to speak if you're going to call somebody out. Ben gives a talk. 20 minutes, written every single word. You could tell he read what he wrote in his note. Tucker comes up and gives a talk, I think 30 minutes, and then he does a 15 minute Q A. And there is a. There's some stuff going on there. There's some stuff going on there. We'll talk about that. I watched both of the speeches and I have some thoughts on it. Erica Kirk got up on stage and I think Rob if you're saying she's told a joke about Egypt and whatever, which is great, that she's having fun right now, she's able to have some levity, good for her. But we got a few stories here. Miriam Adelson, who's kind of Rich, pledges $250 million for a third Trump term at White House Hanukkah party. And Mark Levin puts his arms around the president and shakes him. I don't know if I've seen the president being shaken like that.

[Vinnie]

That was Manhattan. He grabbed his shoulder, was like, yeah.

[Pat]

I saw, I saw. Doing that. And a few other stories with Nick Reiner making first court appearance to face murder charges and killing of parents. Some very, very weird videos are resurfacing from many, many years ago. Some of them are extremely weird. That's resurfacing. But I think he is. He's got some, you know, obviously some challenges he's dealt with in the past. Hedge fund billionaire Ray dalio wife donates 300,000 donates to 300,000 Trump accounts. 300,000 Trump accounts. Good for them. Trump's approval rating on the economy plummets to new low. Poll. That's a Daily Caller story. Ken Griffin from Citadel urges Trump to create distance between White House and Fed with his pick for chairman. And Hassett's Fed chair candidacy received pushback from high level. We'll talk about that because that was one of the stories. Scott Jennings fires back where while stands with Trump after Vanity Fair backlash. Trump and top aides publicly defend Susie Wiles on the Vanity Fair story that took place. Karen Bass admits botched response to LA fires. An unfortunate candid moment. Dan Bongino to leave the FBI deputy director job with rumored replacement waiting in the wings. Poll shock. Democrats congressional approval sinks to an all time low. AOC leads. You ready for this one, folks? Listen, pay attention. If you're driving, put your hands on 10, 2. Good. I'll give you a second. You ready? Okay, ready. AOC leads JD Vance for the first time in 2028 election matchup poll. And this is a real poll. Did you hear what I just said? AOC leads JD Vance in 2028 matchup poll. It's not a big lead, but it's still a lead. Would you have ever guessed that AOC would have been ahead of J.D. vance? Well, that time is here. Ramaswamy calls on conservatives to reject Groipers. Benny's got some thoughts on that. Youth sports and crisis has skyrocketing. Cost price out. Parents threaten childhood health. It is expensive to be honest with you, like, everything you. We were part of a soccer team. One soccer team is like, you got to buy seven jerseys. I said, what did you say? He said, jennifer comes and says he needs seven jerseys. I said, babe, what? NBA players don't have seven different types of jerseys. It's seven different colored jerseys you got to buy. I'm like, this is getting okay, babe, we'll do it. But I'm looking at the families. I'm like, how many people can do seven jerseys? Times this, times that. Anyways, it is getting kind of a little bit out of control. Back in the days, we would play with. You can't use this words nowadays, but it was called. How do you pronounce it? Wife.

[Tom]

A white T shirt with little suspenders.

[Vinnie]

Italians used to be a wife.

[Pat]

Yeah, Italian white shirt is what we used to play with. But show your hairy chest with three hairs when you were 13 years old. But anyways, Treasury Secretary Scott Bess and mass deportations are bringing rent down for working class Americans. Nearly 2/3 of Americans vote voters back social media bans for kids under 16. Netflix Ready for this one, folks? Barstool is taking their podcasts, apparently. Pardon my take, they're removing it from YouTube and taking it solely to Netflix. So, Rob, we should run a poll. Would you like to see us take our podcast 100% away from Spotify, YouTube, everything, and only put it on Netflix? Okay, just ask that question and let's see what the audience says. Okay, we're not doing it, guys. This is. I'm just telling you, like, just. Would you. Would you like us to do something like that? You think it's a good move, Rob? Maybe run that poll. Let's see what our friends here will tell us. Oscars bolt from ABC to YouTube starting in 2029. Nick Reiner made his first appearance. We talked about that. Bondi beach gunman potentially planned massacre months ahead with final insult to victim families. Piers Morgan, Candace owns spar over major claim about Charlie Kirk assassination. And then we got a couple other stories that's going on over here. What we know about the suspected Brown University shooter. Vinnie, I saw your tweet yesterday. I'm sure you believe 100% what he's saying.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Pat]

US inflation falls to 2.7. Slower housing and food increases offset a surge in electricity. MAGA infighting erupts at turning Point USA conference. We'll definitely talk about that. And then we got a couple other things. Tucker Carlson humiliated as a big Trump prediction flops. What is that? I Don't know what that is about. Is. That's about Venezuela.

[Tom]

I believe that was the war invasion head.

[Pat]

Got it. The Breakfast Club and Bobby Jones. Is this the old Bobby Jones golfer, the ones who are no longer with us? Or is this a different body?

[Tom]

He's back with a podcast.

[Pat]

Yeah. I heart media. To Netflix. To go to Netflix. Okay, guys, that's some good stuff. Vinnie's got a special announcement that I want Vinnie to share with you guys. Go ahead, Vinnie.

[Vinnie]

So, guys, you guys know the Faith Over Fear line? We had the Faith Over Fear shirt. We just came out. This just come out. It's live right now. Pat Worthless yesterday. The Faith Over Fear hat. I'm trying to figure out. We have the symbol here. We have the cross here. Hebrews 11, one on the back.

[Pat]

Rob, can you click on the hat and show the pictures?

[Vinnie]

Yeah. Let everybody see this, guys. It's embroidered, by the way. It's sick. I only wear Yankee hats. Oh, yeah. So I only wear Yankee hats. But, guys, you can see the future looks bright on the bottom. This is stitched. Hebrews 11, 11, 11, 1. That and then the cross on the side. Like I said, I only wear Yankee hats.

[Tom]

But it's 3D embroidery, yo.

[Vinnie]

No, it's ridiculous. And I just want. Like, this is. Like. Every time something like this happens, like, the. The hats finally come in. We're at a pivotal place where right now, with everything that's happening with Christians in Nigeria, as you're seeing what's happening in Europe, you're seeing what's happening in Australia, the enemy wants us to be afraid. I don't know if you guys saw this. Australia, France, Germany, they just canceled all their Christmas celebrations, all their freaking New Year stuff, because they're afraid. I'm telling you guys right now. I've said this before in the Bible, 365 times. There's. It says, do not fear, okay? Just have faith. And when it comes to having faith in Christ, there's one story that I want to say, and you know this in. In Matthew, chapter 20, I think verse nine or nine, verse 20 to 22, there's a. Jesus is walking through Galilee, and everybody. He's healing people. People are touching him and grabbing him, and he's just trying to get through the crowd. And there was a woman that had an issue of bleeding for 12 years. They believe it was like a. A menstrual situation. She says to herself, and this is in Scripture. All I have to do is touch the hem of his robe and I'll be healed. Okay, so she crawls through this crowd, and she just reaches and touches a string that's hanging off Jesus's robe. And he stops in the crowd, and he goes, who touched me? All right. And Peter. And everybody's like, jesus. Everybody's touching. He goes, no, no, no. Who touched me? He said he felt the power leave his body. And he looks, and the woman is on the floor, instantly healed, and she's crying and pat. And she stands up and she goes, jesus, you healed me. And he looks at her and goes, I didn't heal you. It was your faith that healed you. Think about that. Think about that. Just touching his clothes and she was healed. And that's belief. And I want to say one last thing. When Jesus was in Nazareth, he was powerless. He couldn't do any miracles. And you know why he said? Because it was their disbelief, because they didn't believe. So your faith is what creates the miracles in your life. And I think this hat is that message, and this is letting everybody know. I. I'm not afraid. We're not afraid. I'm a Christian. I wear it proud, and I want people to know that. And, yeah, that's it. And it's live right now.

[Pat]

I love it. And, you know, you. You can go to vtmerch.com, place the order, get the hat, get the shirt, get the shoe. All of those, we'll put over there for you. Yesterday I had these pastors that flew in from Australia, and he said, the most powerful line, two pastors, the guys from Egypt. His name is Martin Cedro and his wife Millicent. And he says, when I was a kid and my dad and I were talking about becoming a pastor, one day, he says, my father told us one thing. If you want to be a pastor, you can't fear. If you fear, don't be a pastor. One doesn't go without the other. You have to be very strong about your faith that you have. So for those of you that are comfortable this Christmas season, new Year season, going into 20, 26 with faith, put that on, walk around. You'd be amazed how many people stop by and say, hey, man, I'm with you. Hey, man, I'm with you. I love the stories of just winks with people that are, you know, fans of the show or, you know, they're looking at each other like, man, you're also future looks. Pride, you're also faith over fear. You're also valuetainment. Me too. I'm one as well. So go place the order or two or three, and gift it to some of the people in your community. And by the way, we have to remember how we said that people that spent $2,000. One of you guys going to get selected to be on the podcast. We're going to announce the win.

[Vinnie]

Oh, really?

[Adam]

Yes.

[Pat]

I called him. I called. He's like, you're kidding me.

[Adam]

Stop.

[Pat]

What are you talking about? Are you serious? No way. There's a. Just a regular guy. We've never met. By the way, my intentionally. I wanted to be somebody because some of the guys that we know also bought stuff. It was somebody that we don't know. Okay, that is going to be on and.

[Adam]

And you called him.

[Pat]

We have a picture. Yeah, out of the blue, I called him. He was shell shocked.

[Adam]

Amazing.

[Pat]

And I don't know if I have the video somewhere around here. We'll try to find it and show it to you. All right, let's get into it. Rob, what is the top story that they're asking for us to talk about?

[Tom]

Dan Bongino's retirement, leaving the FBI.

[Pat]

Let's talk about that. So Dan Bongino, okay, who was the deputy director of the FBI, steps down with rumored replacement waiting in the wings. Dan Bongino, a man who is loved by his audience. This is him saying it yesterday. I will be leaving my position with the FBI in January. I want to thank President Trump AG Bondi Patel for the opportunity to serve with purpose. Most importantly, I want to thank you, my fellow Americans, for the privilege to serve you, godless America and all of you, all of those who defend her is Dan Bongino. Tom, what do you think about this, him stepping down here? Did you expect it? Are you surprised? Was it him or Patel? Was it one of the two? What are your thoughts?

[Tom]

Well, if you asked me a year ago, I would say right now I'm very surprised. But I sort of expected it. As you saw the year unfold, Dan Bongino is a man of deep, narrow principles. And what I mean by that is he has his principles and they're not for sale. And he's very direct about that. And when you come to the FBI, which is like this sausage making machine with all of these interests and all of these people and we've heard about comey, we've heard about how the FBI works. You could see the frustration in Dan Bongino when he would have certain interviews. You could absolutely see it coming out because it's hard to be a direct control. You could be a DA in the city of Los Angeles and have direct control over your team. The FBI is so far reaching so many things going on. I think Bongino discovered what a broad and maybe a little corrupt here and here organization it was. And he really has deep set principles, very neurofocus. And I think that just kind of ground on him.

[Pat]

Pat.

[Tom]

I think that's what happened. You saw over the course of the year, maybe some of the light come out of his eyes and you could see like a heaviness in him. And I think that finally got to him. And so a year ago I would have been surprised, but I kind of saw it coming over these months and that, that I called it this way. Maybe it wasn't very nice of me, but when I said that when he and Cash Patel were talking about, you know, some things regarding Epstein, you know, I called it, wow, that almost looks like a hostage video.

[Vinnie]

I'm just right.

[Tom]

They are treating me very nice and I eat every day. And I was like, that's kind of weird. So that's how I feel.

[Pat]

Yeah, I think everybody remembers that clip of what happened. That's the one right there. Rob, if you want to make it bigger and you know, go straight to it. I'm glad you're doing that. So this is all the way at the end. Go ahead, Rob. The big deal. He killed himself again.

[Adam]

You want me to. I've seen the whole fight. He killed himself.

[Pat]

Yeah. So that's the part with him. And then President had to had something to say about it with Dan Bongino. 11 second clip. Go forward, Rob, why he's planning to meet the FBI. Dan did a great job. I think he wants to go back to his show. Yeah, Vinnie.

[Vinnie]

And again, because we don't know everything and I don't know the inside, just like we have the conversation yesterday. I don't know. My, my. If I had to assume, I mean him with the platform that he had and all the stuff that he was talking about with Cash, it felt like remember the people like me that were like, yes, we're finally going to get something. I think when he came in and he saw what was going on, he was like, oh my goodness. Like. And they told him basically, hey, listen, this is where this, this stops right here. Your passion, your push, all the stuff that you talked about on the show, we're not. You're going to be going after these bad guys. But these guys, you can't do that. And he look. And that's proof that that video for anybody that knows body language or the way speech that didn't look like it was him Speaking especially not the guy from the podcast that was not the Dan Bongino that we know. And I just feel like it took a while. Remember it was a couple months ago when I said it was. I want to say five, six months ago when I said if somebody comes in and as a Christian, a proud Christian, and you're not supposed to be afraid, obviously faith over fear. If you see something like that and people are abusing and you're told not to talk about it because X, Y and Z are powerful, and then guess what, you should have walked away earlier. I'm happy that it's happening if that's what it is, but he should have walked away. I'm very curious to what the podcast is going to be like now because a. When you go into FBI, Tom, you can't talk about your non disclosure. You can't say anything. So is it going to be like a. Well, I can't say nothing but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And is it going to be one of those Allure Candace type podcasts where it's like, I can't say, but maybe this and maybe that. I hope the best for him, but it's not a good look.

[Tom]

More than you can't say anything. There was a leak that came out that he and Pam Bondi got into it. I heard there was an argument like, wait, why are we, why are we holding these files? Why are we doing this? And she apparently drew a line and said, dan, this is the way we're doing it.

[Vinnie]

Yep.

[Pat]

Adam.

[Adam]

Well, number one, Dan Bongino is a patriot. And all the people out there that think he's been compromised and my God, we can't trust him now. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. This guy has been for decades an American patriot. And just because he comes into the FBI as a deputy director behind Gas Patel, all of a sudden everything that he's ever done is compromised to me. That's B.S.

[Vinnie]

Well, who said that?

[Pat]

Who said everything?

[Adam]

A lot of people said that. Including.

[Vinnie]

No, I did.

[Tom]

Including.

[Vinnie]

Wait, no, no, including you. Don't misspeak. Don't say I said everything.

[Adam]

Listen.

[Vinnie]

No, no, tough guy.

[Adam]

Do I start ranting and raving when you're ranting?

[Vinnie]

Am I, Wait, am I lying to. Am I lying about you while you're talking?

[Adam]

You're not even talking about you. Why are you making this about yourself? Every faith over fear, buddy. I have zero fear about you.

[Vinnie]

Okay, go ahead. Go ahead.

[Adam]

Shut it.

[Vinnie]

Go. I'll let you finish. Go ahead.

[Tom]

Three days to Hanukkah. Get the Fighting over.

[Adam]

Now, as I was saying, Dan Bongino, American number two. This is what happens when an outsider comes in, peeks behind the curtain, goes, oh, gotcha. Let me kind of fall in line on this one because what you don't know, it's like kind of like the famous Cuomo phrase. You know, you campaign in poetry and then you govern in prose. Once you see what's really going down behind the scenes, you kind of have to act accordingly. What I'm most interested in is he's going to go back to his show. I think he's a major partner in Rumble. So what are the odds that he's.

[Pat]

Going to have a show again asap?

[Adam]

Most likely, yeah. So do you think he's a truth teller? I do. Is he going to tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth of homie God? Most likely. What remains to be seen to put him in the category of Candace of just asking questions and making up conspiracies. This is a real person with real credibility, with real knowledge. I'm excited to see what he has to say. He's not going to do bullshit speculating. He's going to give you the real facts. That's my opinion.

[Vinnie]

But you're, but you're. But saying everything that he's ever done, I don't think who questioned everything that he's ever said. We're saying the stuff that. The main thing that he was on his show constantly talking about was the Epstein files. And then once he gets in, you know, the main thing he did, Adam, was redact the Epstein file. And why do you think all the names.

[Pat]

Why do you think he did that?

[Vinnie]

Why do you think? Because he was told to. It's not a conspiracy.

[Adam]

Well, let's see what this is. Let's see what he says on his show.

[Vinnie]

He can't say anything on the show. That's the problem. That's the problem. Please.

[Adam]

Why are you, why, why are you acting so definitively like you have the answers? Go to Vinny has the answers.com and find out the. That you're doing.

[Vinnie]

Anybody that's watching the people in this room. Didn't I say at the beginning, I don't know.

[Pat]

Perfect.

[Adam]

You should just stop there.

[Vinnie]

No, no, Adam, this is a show where you have opinions.

[Adam]

Yeah, I know. Yours.

[Vinnie]

My opinion, the guy, the Christian guy that's talking about the Epstein, Epstein. Epstein came in and it was, and it was this like, somebody had a gun. He goes, he killed himself. Give me a break.

[Adam]

Okay?

[Vinnie]

So you give me a break.

[Adam]

Dan Bono to Lack credibility.

[Vinnie]

And that's in that story. And that's, yes, I do.

[Adam]

Well, there you go.

[Vinnie]

And that's fine.

[Pat]

And guess what?

[Vinnie]

You're going to watch his podcast and you're not going to get anything at him, because guess what? The most powerful people in the world are those people. And that's my opinion.

[Adam]

Well, I happen to think he has a little more credibility than you're giving him.

[Vinnie]

Yes, he was a Secret Service member.

[Pat]

Okay, Adam, there is. There is a lot of. One time we had James o' Keefe here and he said something start, brother. He said, if you. He says. Sometimes he says, I try to not get too close and become too friendly with all these guys. And I said, tell me why? He says, because once you do, you can't call them out. Like when he called Pam Bondi, and he's like, hey, you said this. We have the recording. Y. I have to release it. And then she got ahead of it and she went and said, we have tens of thousands of hours of all this other stuff, Right? So, you know, I think if you're in media, if you choose to go in, it's almost impossible or hard to get back into politics. However, a lot have done it. A lot of people have done it. This is not. I don't know how many people have gotten this high of a job and then go back into media. Where was this public of a thing that you were against with vocal. So that's the part. Let's see how he's gonna handle it. You know, yesterday we had a guy that came over there telling me about, you know, they want to be able to give away Bibles to people that are being deported. I said, how are you going to frame that? The guy's like, what do you mean? It's a Christian organization we gave, you know, some money to this year. I'm not going to mention them because it was a private conversation. Says the people that are being deported, we want to give them a Bible on their way out, and we're working with the government right now to give them a Bible. That's okay. Let's role play the script. ICE came and arrested me. I got handcuffs behind my back. Give me the Bible. How are you going to hand it to me? Do you understand what just happened right there? I don't know if you understand what I'm saying.

[Vinnie]

Suck it in his pants.

[Pat]

You're going to be like, look, man, you know, I think it's going to be fine. On your way out here, let me put this under your arms. God loves you. Yeah, but he loves you in Mexico. Yeah, okay, but by the way, there's a part of it that's being funny, but there's a part of it that's real. Right. Bunchen has to come back and in his mind, all he's thinking about is for months, I bet. How am I going to frame the one question everybody's thinking of? He's thinking all about framing right now, how he's going to present it.

[Adam]

Sir, let me ask you a question. And I don't trust anybody 100%. Just like Trump said about. Yeah, I don't remember. He said. He's like, do you trust him on your. I don't trust anybody 100% level of trust and credibility you think Bongino has. Are you at 80%? You had 90 or you at 50, 50 overall with Bongino?

[Pat]

No, I think Bongino is a very fair player. I think he's a straight up player. I think he's all around very capable. I think this is a very, very technical, complicated topic that the average person cannot deal with, especially somebody that is a very, very strong Christian. This is a very difficult thing to do, to have this type of a. Access to this type of information. It isn't for everybody. I think Cash can do it because I think Cash has got a cold side to him where it's an. It's a. What do you call it? A. You have to be a part of vicious, ice cold, like cutthroat. I think Cash got some side of that. I don't think that's Bond.

[Adam]

What's the term you used to describe Trump?

[Pat]

I don't know.

[Adam]

No, you basically were saying, like, you have to be ice cold.

[Pat]

Yeah. You have to be.

[Adam]

Yeah, maybe.

[Pat]

I think Cash has got the ice cold side. I don't think Bongino does. This is not a dis.

[Tom]

This.

[Pat]

Is there some. Some people can actually take this as a compliment.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Pat]

I don't know if you understand what I'm saying to you. Like, it's. It's a form of a compliment.

[Adam]

And to Bongino or to Cash?

[Pat]

It's actually a form of a compliment to both.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat]

You either have it or you don't have it. It's not an easy thing to fake.

[Adam]

Bongino is an emotional guy. He's cried on camera multiple times, but he's a man's man.

[Vinnie]

How much of this? And I have to go back to faith. Cash isn't a Christian. He doesn't answer to Jesus. Trump is not a Christian. He doesn't answer to Jesus. How do you think a person in these positions. Pat, it's almost impossible to be a Christian and be able to do this.

[Pat]

Type of thing and don't take the job.

[Vinnie]

That's what I'm saying.

[Pat]

Don't take the job. If somebody comes knocking on your door and they say, vinny, you know, I got a job for you to be the deputy director of the FBI, I.

[Vinnie]

Wouldn'T be able to do it. If it's that type of stuff, there.

[Pat]

Is no way you could do the job. No way.

[Vinnie]

You're right. Yeah.

[Pat]

That job is not for you.

[Vinnie]

I agree.

[Pat]

It's not.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

So that's the part to realize and say, like for instance, there's being a founder of a business, there's being a CEO of an existing established company. There's executive team, there's director, vp, support, compliance. A lot of people want that founder next to their names. It's not for everybody. A lot of people want to be content creators. And then they get one bad comment, oh, my God, they don't like me. I'm not talented. They stop creating content. It's not for everybody. So anyways, can I just. I don't want to spend a lot of time.

[Adam]

One.

[Pat]

I want to. I want to continue.

[Adam]

Called Trump not a Christian.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, he's not.

[Pat]

I'm.

[Adam]

Trump is Christian.

[Pat]

I'm going to go to this next story.

[Adam]

You don't think Trump is Christian?

[Pat]

We can talk about this as we go to the next story. So yesterday or two days ago, there was an event at the White House. What was the event?

[Adam]

It was the White House Hanukkah party.

[Pat]

White House Hanukkah party. Okay. So this White House Hanukkah party, Adam was at, you know who. Who were some of the people that were there? Lutnick, Mark Levin, the president.

[Adam]

Yeah. You know, Howard Lutnick was there. Mark Levin.

[Pat]

Maybe put some of the pictures. Rob. So this is who this is.

[Adam]

That was Mark Levin. And then that was actually one of Charlie Kirk's lawyers, my buddy Rob. Great guy.

[Pat]

Who else you got? Go to the next.

[Adam]

Marlon Maples was there. I didn't. Our friend Elizabeth Pipko was there. A lot of major influences there. Emily Austin. There was. There was actually so many people. They had a 3 o' clock and a 7 o'. Clock. So I was at the 7 o' clock one. And so it was at night. Marla Maple's gorgeous. My friend Elvira right there. Jim. It was an amazing time. And Trump was very gracious and amazing.

[Pat]

At this event, Miriam Adelson, okay. Who has a few dollars, pledged to give 250. Is this the video rap of her saying it? She wants to give $250 million. Okay. For one reason, if one thing is possible. You ready? Back up a little bit, Rob. Okay, go ahead, Rob. Here we go.

[Vinnie]

Israel.

[Tom]

Well, Mr. President, when you were in the Israeli parliament and you gave a speech and you saw me from far away, you called, and at that time, I came with a scooter to the parliament just to hear you. I wanted to hear you alive. And then you say, miriam Adelson. And I stood for a second, but it was so painful. So I said, then you screamed, miriam, stand up.

[Vinnie]

And I wish you would have known.

[Tom]

But I stood up and heard all your compliment, and thank you very much.

[Adam]

I saw you back there standing.

[Tom]

Yeah, he stood up bravely. Thank you. And now I met Alan Deuzevic, and he said the legal thing about four more years. And I say, alan, I agree with you. So we can do it. Think about it.

[Pat]

Alan's here someplace.

[Vinnie]

Where's Alan?

[Tom]

Alan is here. Oh, he had a flight.

[Pat]

You can pause it right there. So she committed, pledged to $250 million if we can do four more years. And in Mark Levin. There's a scene with Mark Levin that he said the following. Rob, if you want to pull up that clip, this is Vinnie's favorite. This is a scene of Mark Levin going around the president. Go ahead, Rob.

[Vinnie]

And these people do like Israel. Hold on, hold on. And he loves Israel, too.

[Tom]

It's true.

[Vinnie]

Oh, look at him. He's manhandling him.

[Tom]

Six years ago, I was up here, and I said, this is our first Jewish president. Now he's the first Jewish president to serve two.

[Pat]

Okay, so Mark Levin. Levin, yeah. Levin. Levin. So you know that event's taking place. Bunch of things are happening. Adam, tell us the context of this event.

[Adam]

So number one, with Miriam Adelson, let's understand that the media narrative doesn't understand one key word, sarcasm. Miriam Adelson is actually the only person who had a seat at the event. Paul Gosart. Representative Paul Gosart. If you ever see this. Thank you. Actually, we're having a conversation because you want to come with me to the Green Room? We go into the Green Room. I meet Howard Lutnick. Great guy. Steve Witkoff's there. Awesome people there. I'm talking with sort of like the who's who. Marla Maple's all there. Everyone's standing. It's a packed room. 500 people I'm up in the first 50 people in the room and Miriam Adelson is sitting right there and he's giving shout outs to everybody as if you were like, what up, what up, what up? And certain people he called up on the stage, Marian Adelson. He calls up, she's sitting down. She comes up. It's sarcasm. If you play the clip that I actually sent, he basically said, she gave me $250 million, but we all know 250 ain't what it used to be. It's sarcasm. And even called out the fake news in the back. He goes, they're gonna write about this. They're gonna spin it. They're gonna talk trash. It's sort of a joke. Now, do I think Trump is gonna run in 2028? I don't. Are there people that would love to see it? I'm sure he brought her on stage. If you give $250 million, you're gonna get a little stage time. That's kind of how it works. Of course. So she was being sarcastic. He was being sarcastic. But the idiots in the back of the room, I guess, don't understand sarcasm and jokes. I don't think he's running again. But essentially what she was saying is, if you do, I'll cut the check. That's my opinion. You want to show that clip because you didn't play the initial part of it. When he goes, it's not what it used to be. He was talking about $250 million. Do you have that?

[Tom]

It's not what it used to be.

[Adam]

That's my goofy laugh. So anyway, what he did say was, this is a woman who loved her husband deeply. They are from Israel, American Israelis. And here's what I'll say about Trump with Israel. Trump is a Christian.

[Vinnie]

Hold on.

[Pat]

Stop.

[Vinnie]

Rob, can you play that clip really fast? Because, Adam, when you say stuff like that with no proof, I have to prove it. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[Pat]

And again. Christians, get out and vote.

[Vinnie]

Just this time. Are you ready for this, Adam? Stay tuned.

[Pat]

You won't have to do it anymore.

[Vinnie]

Four more years.

[Pat]

You know what?

[Vinnie]

It'll be fixed. It'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore.

[Pat]

My beautiful Christians.

[Vinnie]

I love you, Christians. I'm not Christian. He's not you.

[Pat]

Get out. Play that part again.

[Adam]

Rewind.

[Vinnie]

Rewind. You Christians.

[Tom]

I'm not Christian.

[Vinnie]

I'm not Christian. Stop it. So, Adam, he's not Christian.

[Adam]

So what religion is Trump?

[Vinnie]

He doesn't have a religion. He doesn't have Presbyterian, Adam.

[Adam]

Google it.

[Vinnie]

Hold on a second. Okay, the he just said to prove you wrong.

[Adam]

Okay?

[Vinnie]

I'm not Christian and you're still going to defend that he's a Christian.

[Adam]

Trump was raised Presbyterian but now identifies as non denominational Christian.

[Vinnie]

He just said I'm not.

[Adam]

So should I trust?

[Vinnie]

What chat GPT? Okay, it came out of his mouth. Go ahead. Adam, Adam, Adam, can you just say you're wrong?

[Adam]

So what do you think he is tough guy?

[Vinnie]

I don't know. I'm not. I'm very tough. What do you think is the he?

[Adam]

Adam, he was raised in a Presbyterian church.

[Vinnie]

Am I taking crazy because he doesn't.

[Adam]

He says he's not as Christian as you would like him to be. What do you think he is?

[Vinnie]

You're defending something that just came out of someone's mouth. Continue with your story. I'll sit back.

[Adam]

Well, this.

[Vinnie]

I'll sit back.

[Tom]

What was the question?

[Adam]

Get off your high horse, okay? People aren't as Christian as you would like them to be.

[Vinnie]

Now you see how the argument. See how the argument just changed. I just proved you wrong and now you're making it about me.

[Adam]

Continue with your story. Prove me wrong.

[Vinnie]

He's not Christian because he's Presbyterian. Do we chat gbt? Did you think, you think he prays to Jesus Christ and he's given himself to God?

[Adam]

I. I don't know.

[Vinnie]

Adam, just go with the story.

[Adam]

I don't know.

[Vinnie]

I just proved you wrong.

[Adam]

But I don't know. No, you don't. You're doing the Candace thing.

[Vinnie]

You're just Candace now. It's Candace. I just showed you.

[Adam]

Vinnie, I get it. You got a cool shirt. Relax.

[Vinnie]

Here's the deal. I want everybody to understand what's happening right now.

[Adam]

Trump is a Christian. It's so who is very, very friendly with Jews, okay? And I'll tell you why. If you shut up for a second, you're wrong. He told a story about his dad, okay? You ever hear the story or just want to pretend that you do? He told the story about his dad, who was, he was his role model. He said he would go around with him all around town trying to look into property. Manhattan was way more expensive than Brooklyn and Queens. And we go around meeting all these people and he said some of his dad's closest friends were Jewish people. And because Trump such admired his dad, they were very close with Jewish people. He said there, I'm not Jewish, but yeah, I love you guys, basically. So I don't know if you're inferring that he's a different religion than he has been his entire life. The problem that you're basically identifying is he is Christian Presbyterian. However you want to frame it, that is friends with the Jews. And that is exactly what he said. Word for word. That's it.

[Vinnie]

The words that I heard, Adam, was, I'm not a Christian.

[Pat]

Tom, do you have any thoughts on this?

[Tom]

I just bought Vinnie has the answer dot com, so I'm.

[Adam]

Nobody subscribe.

[Tom]

I'm going to.

[Adam]

All right, look, do you think Trump is Christian?

[Tom]

Yes. Yes, I do. When he says, I'm not a Christian, I don't understand the context.

[Vinnie]

And he says he's not going to heaven, but go ahead.

[Tom]

Well, you know what? This is a guy that talks about. Talks about faith, talks about things, you know, and what he says for himself, he says for himself. But he's surrounded with an awful lot of people that are of faith that pray over him and talk with them. So I have a hard time believing that in his heart of hearts, there's zero there. I don't believe that. You know, is he up there on stage proclaiming and giving, you know, homilies or, you know, devotionals? No, but I have a hard time believing that there's nothing there. I hear what he says. I understand what you're saying. I hear what Adam's saying. And how can you go through what he's gone through, nearly getting shot and everything, and not have some level of faith or understanding about that higher power?

[Adam]

Fully agree with Tom.

[Vinnie]

I think that moment made him go, oh, my goodness. Yeah. I'm not denying none of that. I'm not saying which Adam, you're inferring that. I'm thinking he's not as Christian as me. That's bs. What I'm saying is when a guy says he's not Christian, says he's not going to heaven, okay? And I don't care about the Jewish angle. I'm saying words that come out of his mouth. If Pat right now says, you know, I'm a murderer, okay, I killed people. And then you say, no, he's never. No, he's not. And I show you a clip of Pat going, I am a murderer. I've killed people. Who's right and who's wrong? He said it. I'm not Christian.

[Adam]

Okay, well, I'm not going to heaven. I'm sure we can find multiple clips of him being a man of faith. So you're taking one clip, I don't think. And then you're just using this as.

[Vinnie]

Your narrative, not One clip. It's, it's.

[Adam]

I respect the fact if you frame it and just say, in my opinion, to say it as fact is absolute bs.

[Pat]

Okay. All right, let's.

[Adam]

Do you think he's a Christian, Pat?

[Pat]

I think, you know, at the Turning Point usa, even when he said his Lord and Savior, he said, meaning what, Pat? His Lord, not mine. His Lord. Charlie's Lord and Savior.

[Adam]

Come on, man.

[Pat]

And I don't know if you know, you know, he grew up going to the Norman Vincent Peale Church, the Power of Positive Thinking church, which was a very well known one in New York that he would go to and listen to his message. Because Norman Vincent Peele was more like a motivational speaker. He was like the, the old school, 50 years ago's. What do you call it? Who's the guy from Houston, that Joel Osteen? He was like the og Joe Loston. He was such a great speaker from stage, great orator. And he used to go there to New York to, to listen to this guy passed away in 93, which is 32 years ago. So this is the era he comes from. And this guy was phenomenal. If you've never read the book the Power of Positive Thinking, you should. I don't know whether he is or not. I can only tell you what I've heard him say. And to me, I don't know. I think he is a extreme professional politician in that scene, when I'm looking at that, I would be very uncomfortable if somebody put their arms around me like that. I would. Jennifer would be like, somebody go whisper to that man. Take your arms over the guy's shoulders. I'm not, I don't like that. But the President was grace, Grace, you know, gracious, where he allowed that thing to happen. And even though Mark crossed the line a little bit, you don't do that publicly. You can do that privately with no camera being on. If there's that kind of a relationship. You don't ever do that publicly with the camera being on because the enemy's watching. I'm just not a fan of that behavior. That. That makes me uncomfortable. But maybe that's just me and nobody else was even thinking about that. I don't like you putting your arms around the President and shaking him that way. That's not your position to do something like that off camera. Do it on camera. I don't like that. But all the other stuff, listen, you got to give this guy credit. He went to Detroit and got Muslims to endorse him. Yep, he went and got Jews. He went and got. He got. He got the freaking Teamster president. In 121 years, they've never, ever gone to the RNC. Okay, Sean O'. Brien. And he had the audacity to allow the guy to speech, and he got up and trashed capitalism. This is a very different kind of a guy. He's not everybody's guy, but maybe at a time like this, you need a guy like him to lead because, you know, to do and deal with all the shit that's going on, you need a little bit of cutthroat mentality. And he's got it. Trust me. Like, when you. When you think about certain people, Mike Huckabee, is he a good guy? He's probably a good guy. Raised a good daughter who became a governor. Yes, he's probably a good guy. Do I want him as a president? No. Why not? You're not cutthroat enough for me because, you know, these rooms you have. You have to be able to have one conversation, you're being diplomatic. Next conversation, we gotta make a tough call. So I don't know. I think the profile of who he is as a leader, I'm very happy with him. I saw a lot of messages this week with the president has lost it. I'm so disappointed in him. I'm so disappointed in what he's doing. You know, he is exactly what, you know. I didn't vote for it. I voted for. Okay, bro, relax. Pump the brakes. Yeah, you go. Go. Go ahead and. Go ahead and have Kamala, your president today. Go ahead. You know, go. Go ahead and have Biden be your president today. No, I think he's the right guy for the job today. And at $250 million, I do think it was a 50. 50 joke. Meaning. I do think 50%. If she could, she would do it.

[Adam]

Oh, she would.

[Pat]

Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying.

[Adam]

I don't think he's.

[Pat]

I know, but it's 50. 50. No, he's not running again. Not because you think he's not running again because he doesn't want to run again, or do you think he's not running again because he can't because of the law? Yeah, I know.

[Adam]

I mean, I was actually literally standing next to Alan Dershowitz when he called him out. Alan actually just left the room.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Adam]

But can I disagree with you in a second?

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Adam]

There's a lot of people out there. They're trying to make their name, trying to tear down Trump. Whether that's on the Left or even that's on the the woke right as they call it. Here's what I'll give you my opinion. We were all fed Ebola lies that Trump is a Russian asset. He doesn't love America, that he's selfish. He's all doing this for the real estate. Being in the White House was an incredible honor. Being around Trump and his orbit was incredible. The man loves America. There's no one more engaging and friendly and cool and fun that's playful but also serious. He gives this amazing speech, has fun and it's a party the next day goes out and crushes this 20 minute speech talking about how America is going to be great again and 2026 is going to be the greatest years of, of our lives. And talking about the Olympics and talking about the World cup and talking about America's 250th birthday. The man is a badass. He's a hard hat. Every man billionaire. That's very hard to do. To be able to put on a hard hat and talk to every single guy out there, but also be a billionaire and not be detached from the average guy's, you know, affordability issues is a very unique quality. And as someone that did not like Trump 10 years ago, I'm a massive fan and I think most people should wake up and realize the guy's the best president of our generation.

[Pat]

Yeah, there you go. Okay, sir, sounds good. Let's go to the next one here. Next story I want to get to, here is Rob. Let's go to the Turning Point usa. Turning Point USA is having their annual amfest event sold out. They, they shared some numbers of what happened, some record breaking numbers that I believe Erica shared with the entire audience of what's happened with new chapters, what's happened with people joining, what's, what's happened with, you know, the amount of new kids that have gotten involved in the entire organization. Let me see if I can pull up this number here to give you some of the stats. The numbers are unbelievable of what she was sharing with everybody in the audience. Do you, do you have that, Rob, or no? Anyways, it was like a million kids joined. You know, 3,000 new chapters created around the world. The amount of money that was, you know, sent in from people around the world just record breaking all across the board.

[Tom]

I have it.

[Pat]

You have it? Is this her given the update?

[Adam]

Yep.

[Pat]

Oh, right there. Zoom in a little bit, Rob. Ok, that's actually not Barron Trump. It's just accounts called Barron Trump News. Erica just dropped her numbers 50 TPUSA chapters opened every day, opening every day. 8,000 plus church partnerships, 140,000 requests to join. 1 million students involved, 3,000 Club America chapters, 1400 college chapters. I mean, this is extremely impressive. Now, can they keep the momentum going or not? There's a lot of people that behind closed doors are going to be doing everything in their power to make sure this momentum continues, but it's going to rise and fall all on leadership. Rob, what speeches is this? Erica giving a speech.

[Tom]

This is her talking about those numbers.

[Pat]

Numbers. What else do you have? Let's go with the Ben Shapiro one. So Ben Shapiro gets up and I watch the entire speech and it was a straight up call out. It wasn't like he came up, you know, it was all intentional. It was all written, it was all clear. And it was targeted at mainly three people, but mainly two people. Okay, and here's Ben Shapiro. Go ahead, Rob.

[Tom]

So, for example, if you host a Hitler apologist, Nazi loving, anti American piece of refuse like Nick Fuentes, You know.

[Vinnie]

The Nick Fuentes who said that the.

[Tom]

Vice President of the United States is a quote, fat gay race trader married to a jeet. The person who said that Charlie Kirk was a, quote, retarded idiot. The person who said, and pardon my language here, it's his quote that he, quote, took Turning Point USA and fucked it.

[Pat]

And that's why it's filled with gripers.

[Tom]

If you have that person on your show and you proceed to glaze him, you ought to own it. There is a reason that Charlie Kirk.

[Pat]

Says despised at Nick Fuentes and indeed.

[Tom]

Even chided Dinesh d' Souza for debating him.

[Pat]

He knew that Nick Fuentes is an evil troll and that building him up is an act of moral imbecility.

[Tom]

And that is precisely what Tucker Carlson did.

[Vinnie]

He built Nick Fuentes up and he.

[Pat]

Ought to take responsibility for that.

[Tom]

Just as he ought to take responsibility for glazing pornographer and alleged sex trafficker Andrew Tate, or for mainstreaming fake historian and pseudo Nazi apologist Daryl Cooper.

[Pat]

As America's best and most honest popular historian.

[Tom]

Hosts are indeed responsible for the guests they choose and the questions they ask those guests.

[Pat]

Ok, so that's Ben then. And we know who Ben is calling out like it's not even funny who it's called.

[Vinnie]

You're going to just, I don't know.

[Adam]

If we have the clips. He directly called out Candace multiple times by name, called out Tucker several times. And obviously there was Nick Fuentes, those sort of the big three you were referring to, Pat.

[Pat]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Adam]

So Candace was probably the biggest recipient of his.

[Pat]

Probably. Probably. But I think. I think the. The leader of the call out is Tucker is who he's calling out. So then this is Tucker. Go for it.

[Adam]

Because Tucker was there. Candace wasn't.

[Pat]

Right. Yes, Go for it.

[Tom]

I just got here and I feel like I missed the first part of the program. Hope I didn't miss anything meaningful, but I just want to say I don't think I did. No, I'm just kidding. I watched it.

[Vinnie]

I laughed.

[Tom]

I laughed. That kind of bitter, sardonic laugh that emerges from you and like, upside down world arrives when your dog starts doing your taxes and you're like, wait, it's not supposed to work this way. To hear calls for, like, de platforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event.

[Vinnie]

I'm like, what?

[Tom]

This is hilarious. Yeah, this is hilarious. Actually, one of the clips, I was listening to myself thinking, as I often do when I hear myself speak, which is never because I never watch myself. But these events, they always play, like, the role of you. And I'm like, that guy is pompous. Sorry about that. We don't see ourselves clearly. But the prediction that, you know, at some point when Republicans took power again, which I did everything I could, you know, to help, and really felt that was important, I still think, you know.

[Pat]

I was right, but I really thought.

[Tom]

That the impulse to de platform people, or even to use the word platform as a verb, which it's not, it's a noun. Don't steal my nouns. Deplatform and denounce. Why haven't you denounced somebody else? The whole, like, Red Guard cultural revolution thing that we so hated.

[Pat]

And pause it. Right? Okay. So Tucker gives a speech, Ben gives his speech. You've heard both of them. Where are you at?

[Adam]

So the basic premise of Ben's speech is that truth matters. And we all know that the World Economic Forum came out and said that the biggest concern in the world right now is misinformation and disinformation. And he basically called out certain people for peddling myth truths, untruths, semi truths, and then operating under the guise of. I'm just asking questions. So to me, Ben was very clear, very direct. I was never a huge Ben Shapiro guy, and I was certainly never a big Tucker guy. But between both of them, they're legends. We get it. To me, this comes down to one word, Midterms. Who is helping coalesce, build a coalition. Around 11 months from now, we're going to have another election and is it. Are you helping bring people together to win midterms to help Donald Trump and his agenda? Are you trying to tear it down? So there's a lot of infighting within maga and there's a lot of people on the left that would love to see Nick Fuentes and Candace and even Tucker be the face of the new MAGA establishment party. And in my opinion, Tucker, I'm sorry, Charlie Kirk wants no part of it. The last thing that I'll say is this. Ben said one thing and I said it the other day about what the Torah says about criticizing a grieving widow. Erica Kirk asked Candace to stop. Candace went on Piers Morgan. She said, I'm not going to stop, as if she's the FBI and she's leading this investigation. So to me, at the very least, I'll say this. Ben is the same person he's been for 20 years that we've seen him on air. Tucker has flip flopped and he's fake. And now because he's an American, he goes and buys a property in Qatar. Not in Detroit, not in Dallas, not in Boston, not in American cities. He's buying a house in Qatar. And why? Because he's American. God bless you, Tucker.

[Pat]

Vinny.

[Vinnie]

Well, the wef I don't know that we were going to the World Economic Forum. I don't know. We're going to be going by their guidance when it comes to disinformation and misinformation. Everything that they push from global warming, fake disinformation for Covid, you know, and now we're finding out that, you know, people are having cancer and kids are having heart problems and people are dying and they lied to us. So I don't, I don't take any heat to the World Economic Forum. But if we're trying to worry about.

[Adam]

Saying that misinformation and disinformation isn't.

[Vinnie]

No, of course.

[Adam]

Of course.

[Vinnie]

It's your job to go out there and look. That's why nobody trusts the media. That's why nobody trusts the government. Nobody trusts anybody. It's your job to go and look and find the information and fact check everything that you talk about, just like how I did earlier in the show. My thing is this, Adam. If we're worrying about the midterms, why would Ben Shapiro go up in front of Turning Point usa, in front of everybody, the youth, everybody's. I want motivate. I want something. Because the real enemy is the left. It's the Gavin newsoms. It's the AOCs. It's all those people, instead of using that 20 minutes to unite and say, guys, with all the differences, that's the mission. That's the enemy. You're going to talk shit about two other people and three other people and just bash everybody.

[Adam]

Ok. To me, the crowd seemed to like it.

[Vinnie]

They were cheering half and half. Whatever boos and claps. I don't know. I wasn't there. It's just. That's your moment that Charlie fought for people to have debate. Charlie's whole mission was debate talk, not deplatforming. He went to college campuses and said, okay, give me your argument. Not I don't want to hear you and I want you. I think it's awesome that people are talking that he talked to Nick Fuentes, that can't let him talk. Let him sit in front of Steven Crowder and say his point. I learned more about him through his podcast than I ever knew about Nick Fuentes. I don't think that if you want to unite and worry about the midterms and that's not the way to do it. Okay. And then Tucker had to take his time out of his message and go against him, too. And by the way, I don't trust when it comes to Tucker buying stuff in Qatar, that's the most random, weirdest thing that didn't make any sense. I'm American, but I'm going to buy land as a Christian. He's openly devout Christian and a Muslim land. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. Somebody might be getting paid, but I just feel with everything that's happening, they missed the freaking mark.

[Pat]

They.

[Vinnie]

This should have been about America and the actual enemy because the Democrats are laughing their asses off, period. That's my opinion.

[Pat]

By the way, a very reasonable take you just gave. Thank you. Very reasonable take. Tom, your thoughts?

[Tom]

So my thoughts is Charlie Kirk. I agree with your debate point. Charlie Kirk would go into the belly of the beast, go and put up that card table and put up that tent on college campuses and attempt to indict. Say, what do you think about. No, no, no, come here. No, no. I'll listen to you. Tell me what you think. Now, why do you think that? Why do you think that? Well, I think there is an economist here and I think this is here. And he would engage in this civil debate that was getting people to think. And he was personally responsible for delivering Arizona and more. We saw him at the inauguration and he gave us the numbers. They registered to vote more than 300,000 new voters in Arizona. And if you take a look and just say 60% of those. Just 60. Not more than that. Now, you know, it has to be more than that. But let's just put 60% of those votes voted for Trump. 47. Guess what? He moved Arizona. Kerry Lake was in a war. You saw what was going on with that guy, Ruben Gallagher's, whatever his name is. There was a war going on. It was neck and neck. There was all kinds of things. The governor was ignoring what was happening in terms of in these neighborhoods in Tucson where you had these immigrants that had come across that were squatting and things that were happening. It was being ignored. Ignored. And people were flipping out. And yet Arizona was razor thin. And guess what? Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA registered to vote 300,000 people and carried that state. And he did it. One card table. One person, one student, one debate at a time. And I think that an opportunity is missed to bring people together and talk through that. It's not that people don't have passionate points about. I don't like the fact that you're talking to Nick. I don't think this. I don't think that. It's not that maybe there's some. Those are individual points that they have the freedom to have their points, and I'll die for the freedom for them to make those points. But I think there is a missed opportunity to bring this together because the midterms are critical, not because of our side, their side. Midterms are critical to move more thoughts and more hearts toward America and what it stands for with rational debate that moves people across the line. That's where I worry about the midterms, and that's why I worry about it. And I just don't like to see this. Yeah, I don't think it helps.

[Pat]

So to me, there's a couple things here that I want to go through on both of them. One, when Ben Shapiro spoke, you know, you could tell he's speaking a lot of logic, prepared, intentional, you know, to the point punchy. When Tucker spoke. Tucker's a more talented person than Ben Shapiro. It's not even close. Tucker is funny. Tucker is charming, charismatic, persuasive. He flirts with being manipulative as well, but persuasive. And he knows how to work the stage. He's talented, he's capable. Ben is brilliant. But Tucker is talented and capable. Tucker went emotion, Tucker went heart. Tucker talked love. He mentioned the word love 20 times. Ben is purely logic. Okay. Is what he's going to. So talent wise, Tucker's a better Talent of delivering a message, not a question about it. Okay. More educated. Read all this stuff. Maybe you put Ben there ahead of him. You know, he probably knows more about the Constitution and things like that. Yeah, you can put that category in there. Where was Ben? Right. The part that Ben was right in when he said, you know, even Charlie reached out to Dinesh and said, why would you debate Nick Fuentes? Because in the debate between Dinesh and Nick, Nick won. I don't know if you guys saw the debate or not. Nick was a winner. He came out the winner of that debate between the two of them. And Dinesh came out as the older guy that. I know what I'm talking about. You don't know who you are. You're a kid. And so Charlie's like, what are you doing? So as much as Charlie is for debate, Charlie wasn't for everybody because Nick was a disruptor to him. So even Charlie had lines. Okay. On who we would have. Nick didn't speak at the event. Okay. Nick has never spoken at this event.

[Adam]

I don't think he'll ever be invited.

[Pat]

Yeah. But what I'm trying to say to you is there's a reason why he didn't. So to that point, Ben has got a very, very good point on what he's saying with Charlie. Okay. And what Candace and some of these other guys are doing with the topics. And then, by the way, you know who else been called out? Megan Kelly. Ben also called out Megan Kelly. There's a direct call out to Megyn Kelly. He says, look, I'm a big fan of Megyn Kelly, but even Megyn Kelly came out and said, xyz, and I'm not with that either. He says, what do you mean? You know, all she's doing is, I don't know, maybe she's going through stuff with mom and all this other stuff, talking about Candace. Yes. So I actually, I have to tell you, Ben came across as the more mature guy here, but it's like, you're married to Ben, but you're attracted to Charlie. Yeah. I don't know if that makes sense or not. It's like, Ben is the husband, but Charlie's the guy. You follow? And you're like, dude, Charlie's a freaking. You know, not Charlie. What do you call it? Tucker is. I just kind of like him. You're attracted to Tucker, but you're married to Ben. Okay. Because Ben is what? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I get that in regards to, you know, tucker. He got 45 minutes. Ben got 20. I think Ben probably donated his time. I think both of them probably donated that time. But if you look at the flyer, guess who Turning Point USA put as the first picture of speaker? It's Trump. Guess who's two. I don't know if Trump is speaking at this one or not. He may or may not be speaking at this event. He probably is. Can you put the poster, the big one, the second one, Rob. The second one? Yeah. Zoom in. They put J.D.

[Vinnie]

J.D.

[Pat]

Then they put. No, the second one, Rob. The one you had. Yeah. They put JD and then it's Erica, and then it's Tucker, then it's Bannon, then it's Junior, then it's Tulsi, then it's Megan Kelly, then it's Jesse, then it's. I can't see that face now. I don't. Who's the. Who's the guy before Ben, Rob? Who is that guy? Greg Gutfeld. Then they put Ben. And what do you think that ranking of pictures is? You think it's just accidental by last name? No, it's by who has most influence today. JD Is first. Erica chose that list and that ranking. That's who makes that call. So Erica still chose Tucker, head of Ben, by seven people. That's not accidental. So why is that? There's still a relationship there. Okay. There's still an affinity there. They're still behind the scenes where they have love for Tucker. So don't get it twisted. One got 45, one got 20 for a reason. And even though Ben and them, I think they give a million dollars to Turning Point USA and they were the first ones to do the Charlie Kirk podcast, I think they were the first one that do it. If I'm not mistaken, Rob, it was Ben, it was Michael Knowles, and I think the crew showed up and with Andrew and you know, Andrew and the crew. Andrew. How do you say his last name? Covert.

[Vinnie]

Covid.

[Pat]

Covid, yeah. Andrew Covid. So. Yeah. But by the way, this is. This is the bigger thing to be thinking about is there is. There is two philosophies here. The one philosophy is they're all getting ready for something. They're all getting ready for something. It's power grabs right now. Who's going to be the face of the conservative movement? It's a power grab. It's a fight. Who's gonna take it? I really don't think Tucker cares to take it.

[Vinnie]

I don't think so either.

[Pat]

Okay. And I don't think he's the guy, to be honest with you. I don't Think he's the guy? I don't think he's the guy. I do think. I do think he is in so many people's ear, and he is so if he wants to. There was a guy I did business with. He was very good at the following line. You ready? So good at doing this. And then one day he called, and he and I had a conversation about it. He would call and say, so that we say, oh, my God. You see what Patrick's doing? See what Patrick's doing? See what Patrick's doing? Php See how much is growing? And insurance industry was like. We were the conversation of town, and everyone's like, holy, this thing's growing. You say, yeah, but they're doing great. But.

[Adam]

Oh, the. Yeah, but guys. And.

[Pat]

And so. And so he created wedges. Is that the right word, Tom? Is that wedges? Like, yeah, against others. I do think Tucker's playing that game.

[Tom]

Little shades here.

[Pat]

I do think Tucker's like, yeah, be careful with that guy. Be careful with this guy. And defend. I think he's doing that beyond closer. He gives me the vibes that he's fully capable of doing that. I think Ben is doing that publicly. I think Tucker's doing that privately. I think Ben is doing that publicly. Tucker's doing that privately, and he's working overtime on that side. So, you know, where it's kind of like, I don't want to have the influence over the thing, but, man, I want to disrupt and just kind of shake things up. Just to shake things up, to say I still have that influence. I think that's kind of where Tucker's at right now. And for me, as we're going through this next phase, it's going to be interesting because one of two things going to happen.

[Tom]

Megan.

[Pat]

I don't. I don't. I don't know if that's going to happen, but Megan Kelly is. There's got to be a synergist in this community right now. I don't know who that synergist is. It's not Ben. It's not Tucker. Neither one of them are synergists.

[Adam]

It was Charlie.

[Pat]

It was Charlie. No, no, I'm saying now, like, who is that person now to play that card? I don't know. I don't know. We're gonna see what's gonna be happening. The reality is this. While this is going on, guess what chart came out? Okay. While this is going on. While this is going on, folks, you ready? According to a new poll from Newsweek. Not Newsweek poll. Newsweek writes this Article. I'll tell you who the poll is from. AOC officially leads JD Vance for the first time in 2028 election matchup. I'm sorry, what did you say, Pat? Yeah, exactly. The socialist aoc, Democratic Socialist leads JD Vance for the first time. You know, the Republicans. Oh, J.D. vance is a shooing. Oh, it's done. Oh, really? Yeah. All right. AOC a slight lead over J.D. vance in a hypothetical 2028 matchup. AOC edges the Republican nominee 51 to 49. In the argument Vericite survey released on Tuesday. However, the result was within the 22.7% point margin of error, making the two candidates statistically tied to. The poll asked voters who they would vote if the election was between the two of them. Newsweek reached out to the representatives of Vance and AOC by email to comment on the story outside of normal business hours. While neither individual has formally announced a presidential run, both have been widely tipped as potential candidates. So the poll also found that Vance was more popular among white voters, with 57% saying they would vote for him and 43% opting for Ocasio Cortez. But she has a commanding lead with black voters, 79%. And with Hispanic voters, she's at 64%. Keep in mind, black voters, 79%. Just 20 years ago was 92%. Just 10 years ago was 88%. So even 79% is not as high as it once used to be just a decade ago. So tomorrow, is this a real poll and is this something the American people should be concerned about, specifically conservatives?

[Tom]

Well, yes, and yes. Yes, it's a real poll. It was the Argument Verisite survey, you know, and you could say, well, there's flaws in them. Typically over time they haven't been perfectly accurate. Yeah, well, but you know what? Think of these polls, Pat, as directional, that it's directional. So it's a real poll and people should be concerned about it. The other polls that are out there that have J.D. vance versus the field, Vance holds his own at like 37, 39%. And the second in those polls is Gavin Newsom, like at 22%. So when you do Vance against the Democrat field, everybody goes, wow, he's way up on them. But you have to remember, everybody in those polls that's Republican is saying Vance, the Democrats are splitting their votes about everybody that's down there. And when you take off, excuse me, Gavin Newsom, then it's this. So whenever you do a head to head poll like this, in the midst of going into weakness in midterm I'm not surprised by the result. However, this should be a concern for the GOP and for Vance and people, because what it means is as a consolidated Democrat side right now is closer than you think and may even be a little bit ahead because the economy and affordability and some other issues are very real. So this is something to be concerned about. And she's capable. The other thing I look at now, this is me going to go below the surface. Who paid for this poll? Usually politicians pay for the polls. The pollsters just don't go out and do it. They have donors and they have sponsors of the polls. So did some people on AOC side said, let's run this and then they run it and they go out. And I found it was odd that Newsweek said we reached out to representatives by email outside of normal business hours. I hate it when the media does that. Oh, like I called them. We got no comment from AOC or Vance. We did send the email at midnight, so I got to be honest about that. That's such bs.

[Pat]

What do you mean?

[Tom]

Well, it's like they said we couldn't get hours, we couldn't get in touch with them when you said it. So they openly say, well, we did say the send the email after business hours.

[Pat]

Yeah, but to be fair to them, neither one of them responded. So it's not like they sided with somebody. By the way, is there a chance at midnight? Tom, did you find out who funded the poll? I'm actually curious.

[Tom]

No, but I want to know who funded.

[Pat]

How can we find out?

[Tom]

Usually you can find in the fine print of the polls and looking at what's called cross tabs and the fine print said that this, this poll was sponsored by the United States dnc. Usually you can see the sponsors.

[Pat]

Let me tell you, ABC will ask.

[Tom]

Ipsos say, we'd like you to do a poll.

[Pat]

A part of me is, you know the way I would do it if this was the world I was in. You know how I would do it, Tom? I would do it as a conservative and funded showing AOCs ahead. Are you freaking kidding me?

[Tom]

Light a fire.

[Pat]

Like they better realize what the hell is going on. While you guys are working for ranking on influence and media and podcasts and all this stuff, the Democrats are whooping your ass. If it's just about the podcast game, then great, you're doing fine. But it's about your values and principles winning. You're losing.

[Tom]

If it's this close, there's a problem. That's my opinion.

[Pat]

Interesting, Vinnie. Where are you at AOC against J.D. by the way, can you play that clip by AOC? What she says? Watch this, folks. She was asked if you guys went head to head, how do you think you would do against J.D. look what she says. Go for it.

[Tom]

Read the question.

[Vinnie]

Or do you think that you'll be. That you could be J.D.

[Tom]

Vance in a head to head race.

[Pat]

For president, as polling suggests in 2028?

[Tom]

Listen, these polls like three years out are, you know, they are what they are.

[Vinnie]

But let the record show.

[Pat]

I will stop him.

[Tom]

I will stop him.

[Pat]

Thank you, Congresswoman. I will stop him. I will stop.

[Tom]

Do you think she kind of knew the question?

[Pat]

Of course I don't know if she knew the question. I know, I know she knows about the poll. That's scary vibe she gave me. She knew about the poll.

[Tom]

That's a little smug.

[Pat]

Is that saying who did the poll?

[Tom]

Yes, it's argument Verisite poll. Apparently the organization was founded in August of this year.

[Pat]

Okay. And found out about Jerusalem Demas. Who is Jerusalem Demas? Tyler Cohen. Is that a left guy or right guy? Who's Tyler Cohen? Who's Susan? Including left center, central liberal leanings. I don't know these names.

[Vinnie]

Rachel Pritzker.

[Pat]

Pritzker. Okay. So it's a leftist.

[Vinnie]

It's a leftist people that really don't like the country.

[Pat]

All right, so it's a leftist idea. So Vinny, where do you have with.

[Vinnie]

This pull aside, I'm just. Listen, this Mamdani effect is. And all the, this movement, that's the, that's the future of the Democratic Party. It's socialism, it's communism, it's promising young people free stuff that they're never going to get, that they're going to pay for it. And I think it's a real, real thing, real serious thing that people need to worry about. And that's why I'm pro, like the mission should be us. And I take a little. Like it bothers me that a lot of people are like the influencers are going to take that. You know what people need to be doing? How about all those Republicans and all those races and everything. Get your asses out there, go do your thing, go grassroots, do everything. Because guess what? Daddy's Trump co signing isn't as powerful as it used to be. You need to be out there, all these people, because they just think, well, if Trump co signs for me and says he's behind me, I'm going to win. No, no, no, you have to do the work. Get out there. And do it. They're doing the work, the AOCs and all these Jasmine Crockets. That's to me it's scary because they're out there and the message is getting out there to these young voters who have no idea, who have no idea. We're all going to see what's going to happen in New York, give it two years with all these fake promises, all this fake socialist communist stuff is going to happen. They're going to get in. And I keep warning people what's going to happen when the pendulum swings. And these people. By the way, AOC is one of the people that said, what the world's going to end. She's like, because of climate change, the world's going to be end. So even in her presidency we're probably all gonna be dead in her mind. So I think it's a very, very scary thing that people need to be aware of.

[Tom]

Well, the artillery of the left is the media. And the media has been doing a very consistent job. I'm not gonna say good job. They've been very consistent in their attacks on, oh, it's affordability. Affordability. Now there's some truth that's in that. But then they're also saying, and the tariffs called inflation. The tariffs cause inflation. You look at polls right now, people think tariffs cause inflation because the media has been hammering their heads. But that doesn't matter. So therefore the anti Trump undermining at the time where the economy's trying to adjust is working and the average person is saying, yeah, I do feel the economy, I do feel this. And so now it's showing up right here and say what you will about Gavin Newsom, but when you see the polling that's this close right now, the Republicans don't have a messaging problem. They have a messaging problem and a policy getting traction problem. Cause I think some of the things that the President said on his speech were good and correct. But they need traction and momentum behind that. That shows up in the hands and pocketbooks of the American people.

[Adam]

Tom, who was the pollster on this?

[Tom]

This is a left leaning poll that was just created the argument, they call it the argument in August of 2025. So this new polling organization was created.

[Adam]

How much credibility do you give this organization?

[Tom]

Moderate.

[Adam]

OK, I'm at zero, maybe 1%.

[Tom]

I don't think they only found a group of people that only this way. I think it's very legitimate to get a group of voters that say, are people upset enough at the economy?

[Pat]

You're giving it zero. Okay, so you're given zero credibility. Let me, let me, let me set you up. You're given zero credibility to a poll that has AOC head of JD Vance. Yes, go for it.

[Adam]

This is. It was established in August of 2025, so it's about three months old. Congratulations in your rookie year. Pollsters, we all, we also know how much credibility I give pollsters. I trust Vegas because they have money on the line, not some literal left wing pollster rag that's coming out there. And shockingly, AOC is beating JD Vance in this one poll within the margin of error. They say, Gallup, this ain't Pew, this ain't rasmussen, this ain't YouGov, this isn't even ABC, CBS, NBC, none of it. It's some random media organization that's like, yeah, AOC hypothetically can be J.D. vince. To me, that's absolute BS. AOC is an intellectual lightweight compared to J.D. vance. She may have more style, she may have more Twitter followers in the, in the land of eyeballs and an influencer economy, JD Vance is a real dude. I'm not the biggest JD Vance guy, so I'm not here defending JD but in a debate full on hypothetical debate, if they're on stage between the Vice President, J.D. vance and. And AOC on stage, she's gonna get her clock cleaned. It's not even gonna be close. And just because you're a big booty Latina, they ain't gonna help you on this one. So to me, this poll's BS AOC running for president is bs yes, she has influence in the Democratic Party. She has no influence in a greater landscape for the American economy. That's just me. Secondly, Erica Kirk had came out during Turning Point and said that she's going to do her best to help get J.D. vance elected. We'll see what happens with that. My focus is let's end the year strong. Let's try to win the midterms so the trans community doesn't make a comeback, and then we can worry about 2028 in 2028. So to me, AOC is a non starter. We haven't had a representative go from representative to president in the history of America. And you think it's going to happen.

[Pat]

With this intellectual lightweight aoc, not pompous argument?

[Adam]

Sure, call me pompous, but no, it's.

[Pat]

You don't, you don't understand. You know how many times you've been wrong guy like you know what a pompous argument that is? Tell me why it's pompous Let me tell you why. It's pompous. That is by far the worst argument to have right now in this season.

[Adam]

Explain.

[Pat]

I'll tell you exactly why. I'll tell you exactly why. Tell me the biggest victory Republicans have had the last 90 days. Go ahead. I'll wait. Go ahead.

[Adam]

What do you mean the biggest victory?

[Pat]

Tell me the biggest Republican victory that they've had in, you know, any of the major elections. Alina. The elections. Tell me. Tell me a big victory they've had.

[Adam]

Of course, because the pendulum has swung back towards the other party just like it does every single term in every single election.

[Pat]

On day one, when this guy Mamdani came up, did you think he was going to become the mayor of the city? No, you did not. So don't, don't act like you knew Mamdani was going to win or not. None of us did. No, everybody was shocked. And guess what happened? He beat Eric Adams. Stepped down.

[Adam]

In liberal New York City, it does.

[Pat]

OK matters then Miami after Suarez. What do you want to do? What argument do you want to go with this?

[Adam]

That was the new. The new. Just because a Democrat gets elected, that doesn't mean there is.

[Pat]

First time in 27 years. Okay.

[Adam]

Because it's an affordability conversation. But that's the.

[Pat]

Okay, so just.

[Adam]

Okay. There's a difference between a Democrat, a progressive.

[Pat]

No, no.

[Adam]

And an Islamist communist in New York City.

[Pat]

The problem. The problem with this is Adam, is the following. Okay. In the world of competition and winning, chips are not handed out. In the world of competition and winning, do you know who loses? An undefeated New England Patriots going up against a freaking Eli Manning who nobody would have ever thought was going to win. Beats the flipping Patriots two times. The helmet catch two times.

[Tom]

The game shouldn't have been two times.

[Pat]

So, so what's the point here? That should have been the greatest team ever. That for the rest of our careers we talk about undefeated. Okay? So the moment the, the, the. The pompous attitude of the Miami Heat against the Dallas Mavericks. Making fun of Dirk. Oh, he's sick. He's coughing. He whooped your ass single handedly. The second best player on that team was who? Finley. Dirk beat Miami Heat with Bosch, Wade and LeBron with a 6 inch vertical leap. He can't even jump. He beat the living crap out of him. Won 24 out of 24. I think free throws. Scored 48 points and won the games. Embarrass those guys. Maybe the worst loss ever. You want to sit here and say less than 1% if I'm. If I'm a. If I'm a shot caller in the Republican Party behind the scenes, and I no longer do the podcast, every single day, I'm sitting there telling them, you guys better get your asses together. You guys better get your asses together. You guys better get your asses together. Stop being so freaking confident and arrogant. Shit's about to get real. Okay? There's the victory of the Miami mayor, and the victory of the New York City mayor is only validating AOC. It is only validating AOC policies. These are baby AOCs winning. If I'm. If I'm AOC's campaign managers, guess what I'm saying. Look, what the hell is going on? You know what America is telling you? They want me, they want aoc, and you want to get cocky. No, listen, as great of an election night 2024 was, while we were celebrating with 2000 other people here going crazy, if these guys are going to go like this and this, this is what the Republican Party is going to be, and you know, all the stuff that they got going on, they better get together quickly. This. This is midterms around the corner. By the way. Midterms gets done. Guess what Trump's going to be doing last two years? Nothing.

[Vinnie]

Yep.

[Pat]

Nothing. So, no, I don't know. I. My biggest challenge right now is, yes, a lot of these policies are creating what they're. They're making people making money. Hey, we're making money with AI. Hey, we're making money with crypto. Hey, we're making money with this. Hey, we're making money with all this stuff, all these deals that we're doing together. I totally get it. But 2020, it's going to come like this. And then what? And. And the next president. Fox has announced it. Newsom is the next President. Fox has announced it. A shocking upset. AOC defeats Vance. To think and underestimate, that is exactly why they'll lose. And I hope they don't feel the way you just portrayed it right now. You have the right to have your opinion right now. I hope they don't feel that way. Well, I hope. I hope they're not sitting there, you know, because don't get me wrong, you know, Trump, to me, is a once in a lifetime type of guy that came in and won. Take this once in a lifetime type of guy with the thick skin that he has, that one on one, okay, take this guy out. And then. So who's next? You think it's going to be an automatic shoeing? I Don't think so. I think it's going to be very. It's a very different climate they're living in right now. Very different climate they're living in right now. And things can change like this towards the battle or towards the good like this. So getting cocky going into midterms in 2028 is practically the dumbest idea conservatives could have going in. It's the wrong move. Never be this cocky. And by the way, Adam, I actually think most of them feel like you right now. I actually think most of them laugh at AOC saying, I'll stomp on him. Never underestimate your opponent ever. Never ever. I don't care how rich you are, I don't care how powerful you are, I don't care how talented you are. Never ever underestimate your opponent that's willing to go to all levels to get the job done. And all levels, I mean, is what nasty, ugly, manipulative, dark God. First fear God first protect the greatest country in the world. Keep presenting the values and principles, Unify, simplify, multiply. We are not unified right now. There is no unification at Turning Point usa. Is that showing you unification? It's not to me, that's not show me unification. The two, two biggest names that were out there giving a message like that. Now don't get me wrong, you know, Junior's got to talk, you know, some of the other guys got to talk. You know, some of the other guys that have, you know, certain important roles, they gotta, they gotta talk and we'll see what they're gonna be saying. The synod just haven't spoken yet. The dividers have spoken. I don't put Ben or Tucker as a synod just or unifier. So yeah, I don't know. I think I am.

[Adam]

Only.

[Pat]

Sometimes you sit there and you think everybody is over prepared and you would be amazed how many times people are not over prepared. All of these guys, like how many meetings you think has been had about unifying the entire party? You think there was a meeting of bringing Ben and Tucker together behind closed doors? I don't know if that happened. You think there was a meeting of Ben and Tucker having a private dinner together with somebody that's a non existent person, not a front facing type of person saying, hey guys, can we just hash this out? Listen, Tucker, Ben, we're not leaving this room till we hash it out. All the phones outside, each of you guys gets to bring one security guard in that you trust. And if you want to bring your one person in, you can. But no phones Nothing. Everyone's getting frisked. I don't want anything to be in here. Out. Let's talk. What's going on? No, this is a very, very weird season. Trust me. I was on the other side while I was selling the hope four years ago, where, hey, it's going to be Trump. You guys, not right now. Right now it's cockiness. And it's extremely disturbing to me and annoying to me when I see this.

[Adam]

But can I respond?

[Pat]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam]

Well, I agree with you on the cockiness thing. I. I don't start dancing in the end zone when you're on the two yard line. However, I will say this. Since you used an NBA reference, we all know who's more knowledgeable when it comes to NBA. Out of the two of us, there's levels to this game. So there's a difference between winning a representative seat, Congress seat versus a Senate seat, or versus becoming a governor of a state versus becoming the President of the United States. To me, if J.D. vance ran against AOC in the Bronx, she'd clean his clock. Okay? Because they would. She would win. If they ran for maybe even Governor of New York, she'd have a chance. A general election when the entire country is focused, hyper focused on what? You know, not just style, but substance. To me, she's an intellectual lightweight compared to JD Vance. And she would be exposed. This doesn't mean that she isn't capable of doing her little thing in the Bronx. Respect on that. This also doesn't mean that we should dismiss the fact that 2028 is around the corner and that we do need to basically wake up or else we're gonna get our clock clean. The Republican Party, so to speak. But to me, the question was, do you believe this poll? If a general election of the Vice President, United States versus aoc. And my simple answer was, I don't believe it. I don't see it. I'm not being cocky. She could win a representative seat in New York, not a general election against J.D. vance. That's my opinion.

[Pat]

Yeah. And if the other side keeps believing that that's how great empires fall. Buddy, there's a reason why one of the greatest CEOs in Silicon Valley wrote a book called Only the Paranoid Survive. And I'm simply telling you, conservatives have zero paranoia right now. They are overly confident, and that's not a good thing.

[Adam]

When you say that they're overconfident, do you think they're overconfident? About what? Winning 2026. Winning 2028.

[Pat]

Everything that's not the vibe I'm getting.

[Adam]

They should be paranoid.

[Pat]

No, they're overly confident.

[Adam]

They just got their asses handed to them this November.

[Pat]

No, no, they're overly confident. They're overly confident because they're saying comments like you. There's a difference between mayor and New England. There's a marriage.

[Adam]

Yeah, but that's my opinion. I don't represent the rnc. I don't represent anybody. I overly. Who in the RNC is saying we got this overly. I don't hear these people.

[Pat]

Yeah, overly confident.

[Tom]

Tom, let me tell you, these things can change. And they are cocky and they are confident. So was they, though, the RNC strategists. Look at what they say. Look what people say. They come out and do this. Oh, this. They, they say a lot of times that. Exactly what you said. It's. Is it historically accurate to say a representative has never made it to the White House? Yes, but it's also historically accurate to say the economy has been outside of intense wartime. The economy is the single most deciding factor for US Elections. You go take a look. Bush senior beat nobody. Meat beat nothing in a suit in 1988. The economy shifted in 1992. They were cocky. And by the time the summer got there and Ross Perot was getting traction and an unknown named Bill Clinton was up, it was too late. They lost in 92 on strategy in the midst of the economy. And right now, yesterday, University of Michigan has a highly credible consumer sentiment survey. You know where that is right now? All time low. So we have an economy issue.

[Adam]

What's all time low?

[Tom]

The University of Michigan consumer sentiment survey just hit an all time low. Forget polling, forget strategists. Let's go look at things that have credibility and say, do you think that says that maybe you should be thinking about it? Do you think that says you maybe shouldn't be cocky? Do you think that says that all the things that you would never think would happen might happen? Yes, I think they're staring 1992 right in the face. Well, you know, Reagan, the Bush senior. Bush senior beat Dukakis beat nobody. And then 92 comes along, the economy burps and they're cocky about it. And they got out strategize. Clinton come out of nowhere. Perot fouled the stream with the third candidate numbers. But they weren't ready for it. They weren't ready for it and they got beat. And I see history getting ready to repeat. And it worries me because I think there's a country that's here that also is hanging in the balance, not just left. Right.

[Adam]

Well, Tom, respect to you, why do you think they think that the economy is at an all time low, do you think? Are you blaming Trump for that? I'm not, no, I'm not.

[Tom]

But listen, when people go the ballot box, it's not who they blame, it's how they feel. Sure. And it's the independents in the middle. I don't, I don't worry about the hard Trump, you know, you know, foundation. I don't worry about that. I do worry about the independents in the middle. And guess what? Even the charts that, that Trump showed, you saw how big those blue bars were and you saw the red bars were changing. The red bars have to get past the blue bar to get things back to what you were able to afford and buy previously. You have to overcome the inflation effect. 31%. Remember that number? Since Biden came into office, the US dollar and spending power for the US citizen has gone down 31%. Now it's coming up, it's coming up. And all the things that, that Trump said are true, but that traction's got to come true and then it'll show up in consumer sentiment and then they got a shot. You can't be cocky in the face of that.

[Adam]

Well, let me just stay on this affordability economy issue for one second. Trump's been president for not even a year yet. Okay. It's been 11 months. I believe that he's on the right track to turn the economy around to where we want to be. But let's not just, let's not dismiss the fact that under Joe Biden, they printed how much money, they let how many illegals into the country. The border thing, that lost my vote completely. Supply and demand. There's 10 million plus illegals in the country. Our dollar is being devalued.

[Pat]

Which audience do you think you're speaking?

[Adam]

But the point is this, you're talking about consumer sentiment is an all time low because it's the reverberations of what happened the last four years.

[Pat]

That's not how this works, though.

[Adam]

Tell me how it works.

[Pat]

That's not how this works. What percentage of people do you think are watching and know what you just said right now?

[Adam]

Most people are not smart.

[Pat]

So, no, not, not most people are not smart. Most people are not following it.

[Adam]

Most people are following our audience or.

[Pat]

People in general, not our audience. Our audience follows is smarter than most. Yes, but what I'm saying is the average audience is sitting there. The average voters like what you explain to Them what consumer sentiment is.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Can you tell me the definition of consumer sentiment?

[Vinnie]

I just changed.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Adam]

No, no, Vinny, don't even.

[Pat]

How you feel.

[Vinnie]

Joking.

[Pat]

Where I'm going, facts don't care about your feelings. Vinnie, where I'm going with this for you is this has got nothing to do with Trump. Trump's one. Trump did his part moving forward. It's not on Trump. This is no longer a Trump thing. Yeah. Trump can play a role on who he picks as the endorsement and stuff like that. Yes. Trump has done more for conservatives and Republicans than any other candidate has done the last 20 years. This is not that conversation. Okay, we're not having that conversation. It's the next ones now. What? What are you going to do? Who's the next ones? Who's rising up to take this? Carry the flag to the next phase. That's a concern. They best not get cocky. That's all I'm saying. If you get cocky, you're going to get caught. And do you. Do you ever. Like, I had Buster Douglas on my podcast one time.

[Adam]

The boxer.

[Pat]

Yeah. Do you know who he beat?

[Adam]

Mike Tyson.

[Pat]

He beat Mike Tyson? Yeah.

[Vinnie]

Knocked him off.

[Pat]

Do you know, nobody in a million years would have thought Buster Douglas gonna beat Mike Tyson. I remember nobody would have ever thought when that happened. Everybody was shocked right when it took place. His mother had passed away recently right before the fight, when he won the fight. This is a wrong time to be cocky. This is the wrong time to be cocky. That's all I'm saying. And we'll see. I think Turning Point us is going to play a very important role. You know, she's. Erica's barely getting off. What happened to her husband losing it, and she's still, you know, it's only been 90 days. So is she gonna drive and do all that stuff? We'll see. We'll see what's gonna happen. It's gonna be a lot. Remember, here's. Here's who you don't have. You don't have Elon right now. So you don't know what Elon's going to be doing. Elon's still a wild card, and you forget how big of a role he played. We don't know who the independent runner is going to be in 2028. That's going to be the RFK of 2028. I'm going to go to the next story. I'll go to the next story. Next story I want to get into is. Let's talk about this. Something very interesting happened and Then we'll get into a couple of the stories that have to do, you know, Matter of fact, let's go into Nick. How do you say his last name? Is it Reiner? Nick Reiner. Nick Reiner makes first court appearance to face murder charges and killing of his parents. Okay, Rob, if you got that clip, is this it?

[Adam]

Yep.

[Pat]

Go for it. Rob Reiner making his first court appearance moments ago.

[Vinnie]

Let's watch Date for us to come back for petition.

[Pat]

Thank you.

[Tom]

This time I'll take a waiver. Speeding.

[Pat]

A Raymond waiver from your client.

[Tom]

Mr. Reiner, do you have a constitutional and statutory right to a speedy arraignment? Your council is requesting that your arraignment.

[Adam]

Be continued to January 7, 2026.

[Tom]

Do you waive your right to a speeding arrangement so that arraignment can't be heard on January 7, 2026.

[Pat]

And this council join in the waiver?

[Vinnie]

I join.

[Tom]

The court finds that the defendant has made a knowing and intelligent waiver of his right to a speedy arraignment and that his council joins in that waiver. Water said GN January 7, 2026, for.

[Pat]

Arraignment in this department failed to stand at no avail.

[Adam]

Anything further on that case?

[Vinnie]

Not by the defense.

[Adam]

Anything?

[Vinnie]

No.

[Pat]

Thank you.

[Tom]

Thank you.

[Pat]

Thank you. Okay, you can pause it right there now. By the way, Michelle Obama was on, I think Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah. Yep, she's on Jimmy Kimmel. And she's telling a story about how they were supposed to meet with them that night to have dinner with Rob Reiner. Okay, so they're having. If you have the clip, Rob, is that the one? Go for it. Go ahead, husband. We're friends with Robin.

[Tom]

Michelle Reiner. And I'm very sorry for your loss.

[Pat]

Oh, my God. How long have you known the Reiners?

[Tom]

We've known them for many, many years. And we were supposed to be seeing.

[Pat]

Them that night, last night, and we got the news. And let me just say this. Unlike some people, Rob and Michelle Reiner.

[Adam]

Are some of the most decent, courageous.

[Pat]

People you ever want to know.

[Tom]

They are not.

[Pat]

They're not deranged or crazed. What they have always been are passionate people. In a time when there's not a lot of courage going on, they were the kind of people who were ready to put their actions behind what they cared about. And they cared about their family, and they cared about this country, and they cared about fairness and equity. And that is the truth. I do know them. Well, we believe you and your husband were okay. So, Rob, what. What. What else has happened since. A lot of old clips have circulated, right? A lot of old stuff from Nick Reiner, the family tweets. Here's a tweet I just saw right here. Until Trump goes to prison from Rob Reiner. Until Trump goes to prison, I will no longer be posting on Twitter. I had it with the insults and put downs. This is Rob Reiner f all of you MAGA assholes. Okay? So that's. Rob Reiner wrote that.

[Vinnie]

Oh, by the way, if you, and.

[Pat]

There'S a ton of these.

[Vinnie]

Oh, he, for 10 years, it was the anti Trump. Anytime a camera was in front of Rob Reiner, God rest his soul, it was all about Trump f his followers. Russia collusion. That's all he was like, you forgot about the movies. Like, people were just, he's just anti Trump the entire time.

[Pat]

Here's one. No, no surprise Trump colluded with Russia. We've always known his presidency was illegitimate. Now it's been proven. For the sake of our democracy, this man must be indicted and jailed. Okay, so this is, there's a reason why the President came out hard the day he died and he put the twin. A lot of people were critical of him and a lot of this other stuff showing up, they're like, wait a minute. This, this is, this is kind of, you know, Trump never forgets what happened. Remember, he, he said it himself. He says, I, I don't, I hold grudges. I'm not like some of these other guys. Right. You know, but there's, there's a couple clips, Rob, of. Did you see the one with Conan o'? Brien?

[Adam]

Yeah, I was just gonna say that.

[Pat]

That, do you have that one, Rob, with the Conan o'? Brien?

[Tom]

No. Let me take a look.

[Vinnie]

And so allegedly they were at the house, right? He was back.

[Adam]

Conan o' Brien threw a holiday party is what it was.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, Well, I have an article on that.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And apparently, if you remember, Bill Hader from, from snl.

[Vinnie]

Yes.

[Adam]

They were having a conversation. It was awkward. He stormed off. There was, they were all together at a party that night. Hours later, he murders his parents. There's famous Hollywood actors there. They're all going to probably have to testify, of course, as to what the.

[Vinnie]

What are they arguing about? What are you arguing.

[Adam]

Arguing about?

[Vinnie]

Yeah. Is this it?

[Adam]

To me, I, I, the politics aside, this drug addict, semi homeless kid murdered his parents. That's the storyline.

[Pat]

Final hours of the Rhine. Was this, Rob, is that the one?

[Tom]

This is, this is Anderson Cooper talking about the Wall Street Journal story. Journalist who reported on the fight at Conan o' Brien's party, including the Bill Hader interaction.

[Pat]

Go for it. Sure. So on the night before they were found murdered, Rob and Michelle brought their.

[Tom]

Son Nick to a holiday party, Conan o' Brien's house.

[Pat]

During the party, he was approaching people there asking questions that in that context seemed confrontational. Strange. Especially are you famous?

[Tom]

Asking people there, are you famous?

[Pat]

So you can imagine a party of.

[Tom]

Actual famous people and fame adjacent, people.

[Pat]

Who are really used to strange behavior.

[Tom]

Out in public, but here they are at a gathering of their peers at a party hosted by Conan, and it.

[Pat]

Was unsettling to some.

[Tom]

It wasn't sort of, oh, are you legitimate?

[Adam]

Like, oh, are you famous?

[Tom]

It was saying to like Bill Hader, who's a very famous, well known Saturday.

[Adam]

Night Live comedian, are you famous?

[Tom]

Like, there's a hostility to it, it seems.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

And also keep in mind, this is a kid, a man who grew up around famous people. He was fame. Yeah. So Bill Hader was one of the people he approached at the party and.

[Tom]

Who you were on sort of a.

[Adam]

I don't know if it was an argument or a.

[Pat]

There was an awkward exchange, made more.

[Tom]

Awkward by the fact that he had met Hayter earlier in the night.

[Pat]

Through Rob had introduced him. So when he came up and asked him questions such as, what's your name? Are you famous? It was unsettling and described as scary from Hayter's perspective.

[Adam]

And then do you know how long.

[Tom]

He stayed at the party? Was he asked to leave?

[Pat]

That is unclear.

[Tom]

And there are kind of conflicting reports about how much tension was in the.

[Pat]

Room, whether or not he may have argued with his dad and whether that argument was significant at all. I think what stands is this fact that this is going to be remembered as a very strange prelude to a.

[Tom]

Really horrific turn of events.

[Pat]

You've also done a lot of reporting.

[Tom]

Just on his addiction, on his past.

[Pat]

Yeah. I mean the fact that Rob and.

[Tom]

Michelle have brought their 32 year old.

[Pat]

Son to this party, I think is kind of a sign of their ongoing.

[Tom]

Efforts over the years to really stabilize him, to normalize his life had been.

[Pat]

Rocked many, many times by his addiction.

[Adam]

And there had been.

[Pat]

I mean, there have been a lot.

[Adam]

Of efforts by Rob Reiner over the.

[Tom]

Years, I mean, making that film.

[Adam]

Rob Reiner worked as a director on.

[Tom]

The movie that his son co wrote, apparently without salary even in the hopes that that would sort of launch him into a career, I guess. Correct. And to really trying to understand what Nick had gone through as, as a.

[Pat]

Father, I Mean, that's how Rob described it at least.

[Tom]

And what's remarkable is that that whole.

[Pat]

Thing would be private and opaque to us if that movie hadn't happened and they hadn't gone on these press tours.

[Tom]

Talking about their problems with, you know.

[Pat]

Kind of varying degrees of comfort and.

[Tom]

Discomfort, it seemed like on both their parts.

[Adam]

Yeah, it's fascinating.

[Pat]

By the age of 22. By the age of 22, he went to rehab 18 times. By the age of 22, he went to rehab 18 times.

[Adam]

Wow.

[Pat]

Another story that just dropped from TMZ right now says he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and a meds he was taken made him erratic and dangerous. Okay, erratic and dangerous. And some of the clips you see is just disturbing between the father and the son relationship. Rob, do you have that one clip you just. And, and I know you've seen quite a few of them. You and I were talking about some of them. Some of them we're not going to play. There's a lot of weird stuff, stuff out there. On which one is this, Rob, can you plate it? I just want to see which one this is. Don't seem very fiery to me.

[Tom]

You seem like you crazy.

[Vinnie]

I get crazy.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Vinnie]

You don't want to set me off.

[Tom]

Yeah. Were you ever worried that, that Nick.

[Pat]

Could shine poorly on your career or something? No, no, I. That never crossed my mind. My opinion, in my opinion, the reason they're taking, whether it's drugs or alcohol or gambling, whatever they're doing, they're doing it because there's a pain, there's something inside that's they don't feel good, they don't feel good about themselves and they're self medicating. So to try to understand why it.

[Vinnie]

Is they're not feeling good, don't seem well. Okay, so. And Adam, Adam makes a really good point. Automatically the view, the whole world was like Trump. And as if it was a surprise, Donald Trump was going to say like a God read like whatever he said, his condolences. But he said this guy had Trump deranger syndrome. And he didn't say something like, by the way, again, I didn't agree with it too soon. He didn't say like, oh, I'm happy he's dead. He just made a point that this guy for 10 years made his life a living hell. Put that aside. Adam makes a great point. The real issue is on. Just to add to this, a caveat, Rob Reiner reportedly, this is from Yahoo Entertainment, said that he was petrified of his son Nick and that he could hurt him in his final words at this party. Okay, that's number one. The deeper issue to me is you could answer this. Rob could. And I asked Rob earlier and you could, Tom, if you are going to rehab at 14 years old, okay, as a parent, as a father in Hollywood, how does that happen? How are you not in the kid's life enough that a 14 year old has to go to rehab? That's one question that I was asking. Okay, was there abuse? What was going on? And we're not going to play the clips, but Al Franken and Billy Crystal on a roast said stuff that I don't even want to say on camera. I'm not going to say. You guys can go look at it. It was disgusting, disgusting, disgusting, understatement, pedophilia type stuff. I don't even want to get into it. We don't know what type of abuse happened. Nobody knows what makes that type of thing happen. I'm going to be very, very. I'm interested and curious to see what the defense is going to say and have for Nick because I'm telling you, schizophrenia aside, he's going to probably reveal a lot of stuff that a lot of things, a lot of abuse. I don't know if it's going to be true or not, but I think a lot's going to come out in the wash. And I'm very curious to see how his siblings are going to respond to potentially some of the abuse that he had. Because it's. To me, I've never heard of a 14 year old in rehab. This is me personally, my experiences. Tom, as a father, can you explain to me how can something like that happen?

[Tom]

Well, there's multiple layers of this onion as far as I see. First of all, I see just a horrible tragedy, the unthinkable as your own child commits murder. That's just unthinkable to me. And it's a tragedy. And you know, I'll let Rob's life professionally and things he said just stand for themselves. I don't want to kind of recount that. It's just disgusting tragedy. But I'll tell you this. When we were looking for schools in California, looking for quality schools, we were at a private school. And at the private school, Vinnie, you can say, wow, you know, this kid's been in rehab 18 times. But there were kids at that school that were not in rehab that needed rehab. And celebrity parents didn't want them to be identified publicly because they didn't want the stain. The stain or the shame that's Bad publicity. And they tried to work with things with their kids privately. And yet they were enabling through monetary availability of kids to get their hands on drugs. And they're hanging out with other celebrity kids that had wealth that were able to get their hands on drugs. So I don't think it's that. The story. The story can be, how did this guy end up in rehab 18 times since he was 14? There's part of me that says, thank God he was in rehab and they were trying to get somewhere. But obviously it came off the rails. And at 32 years old, he then commits this. But there's another story in Los Angeles, and Pat's been around it. I've been around it is the celebrities that never took their kids to rehab, but they needed help because they don't want the reflection on their own. On their own reputation.

[Pat]

Yeah, I don't think that was Rob, though. I think Rob, you know, if he went to rehab that many times, you know, at least he wanted to do something about it. This is a clip, by the way, of him walking around after his parents were found. Watch this. Security camera footage shows Nick Reiner an hour before his arrest. This is after he killed his parents. Charged with the murder of his parents. Goes into convenience store Sunday evening. He then quickly leaves the store. Rob, what audio is that?

[Adam]

What is that?

[Vinnie]

I thought it was like somebody doing audio.

[Pat]

No, that was Adam's clip. There you go. So disturbing. As you see something like this taking place with the sun, I think a lot is going to come out. And I don't know this. This story can go many different directions, by the way. This story can go many, many different directions when some of the stories comes out and the legacy could be good, bad and ugly. Very quickly. Very quickly.

[Adam]

Many different directions, sir.

[Pat]

I saw some things that was just a little bit uncomfortable. I saw some things that was a little bit uncomfortable. You know, you can come and do a roast and say stuff you want to say about me. You can say roast about a lot of other stuff. Roast about a young son and what you do to him and what happens to him. You don't roast like that.

[Vinnie]

Nope.

[Pat]

These are professional roasters saying stuff like that.

[Vinnie]

And he's laughing and the father's laughs.

[Pat]

The only reason you say something like that is if it's not at 14. Yeah. Is if it's a. It's a. Anyways, this is a dark story, man. It's just a dark story, Adam.

[Adam]

Well, look, this to me comes down to the following. This is a story of a father And a parent's love for their son that just went horribly wrong. So, you know, the most likely person to kill somebody is not a stranger. It's not some random person in an alley. It's someone in your house. Domestic violence, as they say, like the cl. The. If you want to go like the. In order, it's your. It's your boyfriend, girlfriend, spouse, family member, friend, neighbor, and at the very least, stranger. So imagine this household of how combustible it would have been, right? So the rage, the emotion that was in there. Listen, I've been very open about this. My father and I had a very, very toxic relationship. Not many people have ever fist fought their parents. My dad and I would fight all the time. I'm talking 10, 12, 15, 18 years old to. Eventually one of us ended up in jail for domestic violence. So I understand what it's like to live in a crazy household. I wasn't on drugs, I wasn't a drinker. My dad was an actual wild card and it taught me how to basically deal with situations were very, very uncomfortable. In my opinion. This. The father and the mother love their son with all their heart and they wanted the best for him and he just could not get out of his own way. You said something very powerful that I remember. I remember a lot of things you said are powerful. You said to your kids, I'll always love you no matter what you do, I'll always love you unconditionally. But to say that I'm proud of you, that's something totally different. Am I getting those words right? So I think they love their son, but they were so saddened to see what his life is becoming and they kept clearly trying to give him another second, third, fifth, 20th chance at life. And eventually it cost them their life. And that's the most tragic thing here.

[Pat]

Yeah. I'm going to go to his next story and we have a surprise person that's going to pay a visit and then we're going to announce who won being on the podcast. But this surprise visit, it's just like, it's a tough one.

[Adam]

Surprise visit?

[Pat]

Yeah, you'll see.

[Vinnie]

I'm so excited.

[Pat]

I have no idea, but I'm excited.

[Adam]

So is it Dan Bongino?

[Pat]

Hang tight. Netflix partnering with Barstool removing Pardon My take video from YouTube. This is an athletic story. So Netflix and Barstool Sports announced a multi year partnership Wednesday that will bring the video versions of Part My Take and two other Barstool podcasts to the streaming platform beginning in early 2026. New episodes apart, my Take and Orion Rosillo show and a hockey podcast, Spitting Chiclets, will only be available on Netflix. Podcast listeners will be still be able to get access to the audio episodes on other platforms. This partnership broadens how our members connect with Barstool's leading sports voices and delivery exactly with Our members crave unfiltered commentary, sharp takes, and undeniable humor, said Lauren Smith, Netflix's vice president of content licensing and programming strategy. Netflix announced a similar content sharing agreement with Spotify in October, starting early next year. Next New Episode, new video episodes of Bill Simmons Podcast and several other podcasts produced by the Ringer, which Spotify owns, will be available on the Netflix episode as well. Tom why is this such a big deal?

[Tom]

It's a big deal because the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox of baseball haven't changed. But guess what? It's changing in media. And there are new Yankees and new Dodgers and new Red Sox and Netflixes. Once upon a time they were talked about very dismissively. Somebody called them as rebels. Oh, that's just a little group of rebels at the border, as if they were just there. I'm the country, we're the kings, we're the territory, we're the big armies. And Netflix, just a bunch of rebels. Now those rebels have a valuation that dwarfs some of those old kingdoms and Netflix is a kingdom. And Netflix is going out signing free agents. They're in deep and they're trying to win the Warner Discovery battle. And also there's a lot going on with podcast. You've got the Red Ventures group that's aligned with Fox, that's been out there buying people. Now they've come out and made their draft picks and they're signing free agents and they've signed up to a video podcast deal. All those the ones you just mentioned from Pardon My Take in the Ringer and then across town, they also went across town and went and spoke to the Breakfast Club and Bobby Bones because they made a deal with iHeartMedia to bring some of the iHeartMedia audio podcasts over to the video world and they're signing that. So Netflix is signing free agents to and trying to establish the video podcast Beachhead because the new wars are there and the new Yankees is paramount with the Ellison money. The new Dodgers is Netflix and what they've grown up to be. And you know, that's what and the new Red Sox, you could argue they're another Yankees is YouTube TV. And YouTube's got the money, but YouTube hasn't gone out and like paid A bunch of exclusives for people. They've built the platform that's built everybody there. But as podcasts are increasingly. I was reading that podcasts are now 71% viewed. Video is what's going on. 71% podcast viewing is video. So it's not just, oh, just get the Tunein app or get the Iheart app or get podcast that people are seeing it. And so podcasts are increasingly video. And Netflix is signing free agents and staking their claim to the future.

[Adam]

Who's the new Oklahoma City Thunder? That's the number one team in the league in the NBA.

[Tom]

I don't know.

[Pat]

Is this is Barstool talking about it?

[Tom]

This is Dave Paranoid. Go for it. Emergency press conference time. If you haven't heard the news, I'm.

[Adam]

Proud to announce that Barstool is partnered.

[Tom]

With Netflix for three of our top podcasts. Exclusive video only on Netflix starting next. Next year.

[Pat]

I'm talking.

[Tom]

You want to watch a video part of my take.

[Adam]

Netflix.

[Pat]

You want to watch video of Spit and Chiclets.

[Adam]

Netflix.

[Tom]

I actually spit there. That's just my brain.

[Adam]

You want to watch a video of Ryan Rossillo show. Netflix, Netflix, Netflix. Exclusive video audio.

[Tom]

Stay the same video where?

[Adam]

Netflix, Netflix, Netflix.

[Tom]

We're proud to partner one of the.

[Pat]

Best in breed companies. That's what we do at Barstool. Evolve, rotate, evolve. Video next year.

[Adam]

Pmt, Chiclets, Ryan Russello. Netflix. Netflix. Netflix.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

So is it.

[Pat]

So it.

[Vinnie]

Do they only have three podcasts on the road?

[Pat]

Only three of them are moving to Netflix.

[Vinnie]

Okay, okay.

[Adam]

So I think three of them. By the way, shout out to Dave Portnoy. I mean, not only is he built a brand, he's the main face of the brand. He's running the operation. I mean, pbd. There's not many guys like you and him out there that start an organization that are the face of the brand, that bring, you know, the talent.

[Pat]

It's super talented.

[Adam]

You know, he's a super talented guy, super capable guy.

[Tom]

He also got acquired, didn't like it, and got unacquired back on his terms.

[Adam]

Exactly.

[Pat]

What do you think is. What do you think the deal is? How much you think the deal is with Netflix?

[Tom]

Okay, I think it's a test deal for those three, but I think it's probably a three year test deal. And I think it's probably definitely nine figures that Netflix is putting out there because Netflix wants to get the beachhead. And remember what Sirius did to get a beachhead? They went after Howard Stern and they arguably overpaid for Howard Stern. That thing didn't pay off, supposedly, that I read for 10 years. But they went out and paid Howard a lot of money because they needed anchors. And I think Netflix is going out. And it would not surprise me to see that this was a nine figure deal over the three years to get this, because it's what Netflix wants to do with the magnet. And now they've also gone out and they got Breakfast Club and a couple others as viewership of podcasts is now 70%. The number that I read.

[Vinnie]

71.

[Tom]

Video. Video. And so it's not the tunein app anymore. It's. Are you gonna. Who are you gonna be on. Are you gonna be on Rumble? Are you gonna be on Netflix? Are you gonna be on YouTube? And they're. Everybody's using the E word exclusive.

[Vinnie]

And those people, Tommy, if they don't have Netflix now, they have to subscribe. You feel me? Now all those people have this pay. How much is it?

[Tom]

If you wanted Howard Stern, you had to go get serious.

[Vinnie]

So now.

[Pat]

And by the way, the Rob ran the poll. Would you like to see PBD and the team move to move the podcast to Netflix? No. Stay on YouTube. Spotify. Yes. Move to Netflix. 93%. Don't move.

[Tom]

Stay.

[Pat]

Well, we're proud to announce.

[Vinnie]

Guys, Imagine.

[Pat]

But we're proud to announce that we have a special guest that's joining us right now.

[Vinnie]

Are you serious right now?

[Pat]

No. It's freezing where he's at. But we're proud to announce the one and only Santa Claus. Santa is with us today. Santa. Cory. How are you, sir? How you doing? I can't hear him loud. You got to unmute yourself on the bottom left. Press unmute with us. There we go.

[Tom]

Oh, my goodness. It's so. I'm so excited to be here.

[Vinnie]

This is wonderful.

[Tom]

Why you guys have grown up a little bit in the last year.

[Pat]

Yes, Santa, last year, you were. You were a little bit, like, stingy. The naughty list was a little bit, like. Because Adam was, like, a little bit in trouble. Do you think Adam's made any progress in the last 12 months from last year to this year? Check it.

[Adam]

Oh, wow. That's messed up.

[Tom]

But it's been.

[Adam]

It's been.

[Tom]

Been a. It's been slow progress, but I think he has let me double. Oh, wait a minute. Oh, God. Well, I. Well, the argument with him and Vinnie earlier on the show. Oh, my gosh. I. I was wondering. Names were starting to fade in and out between list and. And naughty list. Yeah.

[Pat]

How do you how do you feel about that? Like, when you see something like that with. I mean, they have to know. These are smart guys. It's. It's a few days away from Christmas. Why would you behave that way? Do you. When you watch that, do you forgive them? Do you tell them they're human? How do you. How do you process that?

[Tom]

Well, the thing is, I know both of them believe. That's the important part is believing. And, you know, that's. That's a choice. And do you mind if I say a little, little thing about the choice.

[Pat]

Of go for it?

[Tom]

Somewhere along the way, adults decided belief was childish, that hope is weakness, that softness doesn't survive in a hard world. But the most broken people I have met aren't the ones who don't believe, who. Who believe too much. They're the ones who stop believing at all. Every December, kids ask me for something no kids should ever have task me. They want peace at home, someone to come back home, someone just to stay at home. Santa isn't about presence. It's about presence, being present. And you don't have to believe in Santa, but someone out there needs you to believe in them. And if you've lost belief this year, that's okay. Borrow mine, borrow mine. I've got plenty.

[Pat]

You're amazing. You're amazing. You know, this year it's, you know, my. My son Dylan. Maybe you have a couple words to say to Dylan, to Brooklyn, to Senna, maybe Tico. Dylan this year wrote the biggest list of things he. I'm sure you saw the letter. He sends it to you, who already mailed it out. You know, biggest list of things that he wants, that Senna wants, that Brooklyn wants. You know, are we. Are we. You know, when it comes down to it, you know what, Is there anything you want to share with Dylan, Senna and Brooklyn? You know, maybe Tico. Tico is 13, but Dylan's 12. What do you have to share with them?

[Tom]

Well, hey, you guys have done amazing job to stay on the nice list, and I'm so very proud of you. I love the way that you've gotten along, the. The way that you've got into your studies, and you keep learning more. But most of all, it's the love that you have with each other. And I've noticed that love, and that is the most important part, is how you guys react as a family together and being able to get along and helping each other with each of their steps. And that's the part that I'm so very proud of, and I'M so excited. I'm so excited for this Christmas because the elves have been working on something very special for you.

[Pat]

That's amazing. That's great. They're gonna be excited. They're gonna be so happy, by the way. Just kind of a little bit. Let's keep that between us. I know no one's watching. Brooklyn loves sweets a little too much. Like, she's a private investigator. If we hide it anywhere, she will find it. Senna. And by the way, I love great mug that you got going on.

[Vinnie]

Right?

[Adam]

What are you drinking, buddy?

[Pat]

Senna wants a 3D printer. Okay, yeah, Senna wants a 3D printer. And then Dylan wants a bunch of dinosaur Legos and Antico wants stocks and Manect. So I don't know, like, I'm just telling you, but you look great with that Merry Christmas hat. I love it. You look amazing.

[Adam]

Future looks bright, right?

[Tom]

This one's 25, number 25.

[Pat]

Very cool, by the way. 25 in 20. 25.

[Vinnie]

That's amazing.

[Pat]

Sad. Out of curiosity, I get a lot of parents that ask me. They'll say, can you introduce me to this person? Can you? It's always like, can introduce me to somebody? You know, they ask. Probably right now, the text that I'm getting the most, parents are asking me, look, can you introduce me to Santa? And I'm look, I can't do stuff like that. He's a busy guy. But is there any way if parents want to have you or ask you a question about, you know, the kids and, you know, naughty list or something specific? As busy as you are, can, can. Can parents connect you and get a video response back from you or maybe even schedule a 15 minute call so you can talk to the kids? Is that a possibility?

[Vinnie]

Oh, yeah, that's wonderful.

[Tom]

I've done that a few times this year and I'm very excited to say that. Yeah, just manect me at Santa Corky. Santa Corky. C O R K Y. There it is right there. Just go ahead and do the QR code. QR code right there and you can find me. And I got to get that up there in the level with Vinnie and PBD and those guys and Tom and, and Adam. My goodness, you guys are so good at that. But yeah, you can have a personal message from me, text me. I'd be happy to do that.

[Pat]

Well, Santa, appreciate you again. We know you got a busy schedule. That's going to be a very, very busy season. They got to get to work, and I'm glad everybody's ready and And. And excited about the season. Wink, wink. Hopefully we'll see you next week. You know, when you come through, I'm going to try to stay up to be able to see you. But to everybody, that's. Yeah, to everybody. Yeah. I mean, you're very fast, but to everybody. For years, yeah, I have been. I failed every single year, I feel. But I try to get a glimpse of it. But God willing, this year is the year. But thank you so much for tuning in with us, folks. If you want to talk to Santa, monect him. We're going to put the manect QR code below as well. Rob, the link below so people can go to it. Santa, Corky, take care. God bless.

[Adam]

We love you, Santa. We believe Santa. Say hi to Hanukkah Harry for me also, please.

[Tom]

Okay.

[Adam]

Okay, guys.

[Pat]

All right, Jake. Thank you, Santa. Rob, let's put that link below as well for people to go and send. By the way, I'm gonna tell you this to. To all the parents that are watching this, I am telling you, go do it. See the reaction of your kids. First of all, you're helping Santa, but secondly, go do it. Show the reaction to the kids. See how they're going to react when they get a direct message from the one and only. I'm like, this is like a lifetime. Yeah. I remember Will Ferrell in the movie, in the documentary. Oh. You know, when he's, you know, it's a bit on True Story when he says, like, Santa's coming.

[Adam]

Santa's coming.

[Pat]

Right. That reaction that you get even as adults. But that's a great thing. And last but not least, guys, before we wrap up, you know, we said during Christmas, Black Friday, if anybody spends a certain amount, you know, we're gonna do a raffle, we pick the winner. I called him. I recorded when I called him just to see his reaction, because to see what he was going to say, he was shell shocked. So we're gonna fly him out. Okay, we got a picture of him and his family. They're so ecstatic that they're coming out. Rob, that's the picture. Look at that right there. With the family that's going to meet the PBD podcast family. The fellow in the middle with the kid on his shoulders. You can tell how excited family. I love the enthusiasm of the son on the left, the one in the. With the hair.

[Adam]

Most amazing hair you've ever seen in your life.

[Pat]

A level of enthusiasm. But everybody else. So we're going to have you on. So. So, Rob, if you can play the Clip of me making a phone call to him. That's by far the best one. Go forward. Hello? Is this Efren? Yeah. Is him Efraim Bara?

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Efren, do you know who this is?

[Tom]

No.

[Pat]

This is the number one customer service representative at valuetainment Podcast.

[Vinnie]

Oh, yeah, I know you. No way.

[Pat]

So you won. You're coming down to go to dinner and be on the podcast? Yeah, I just. Well, listen, it was a lot of people people, but your name got called, and I wanted to you to hear from me. So first, congrats. Number two, you're gonna get a call from the team. Thomas here as well, Tom, if you want to congratulate him as well.

[Tom]

Congratulations, dude. Looking forward to having you here.

[Pat]

We're gonna take you out to dinner, you're gonna see how we do podcast prep, and then afterwards, we're gonna have you on a podcast. So it's going to be a great time. Dude, that's awesome. So just the team is gonna pause it right there. Imagine he's gonna be sitting here. We're gonna be like, what do you think about the economy and the interest rates? Like, I don't know, man.

[Adam]

I'm just happy to be here. And his name is what?

[Pat]

Efren. Efren.

[Adam]

What I love about this, he's a real estate professional. We've never heard. We've never met him. It's definitely not a rig system. No, no, no. We didn't bring on Zach. Efron. We're bringing in Efron.

[Pat]

We literally did a. Yeah. What do you call it? Yeah, so the name popped up. They're like, this is it. And we had our legal team there. Like, all right, that's great. Congratulations to him. We'll have a good time. We're going to take Efron.

[Adam]

Just you understand it in. If you're not ready to debate, I'm gonna ask you, what's your point? Yeah, straight to your face, buddy.

[Tom]

Well, he told us he works in real estate, so he may hold his own on those.

[Adam]

Excited for him.

[Tom]

Looking forward to it.

[Pat]

All right.

[Adam]

But, Pat, a shout out to you for just opening this up to our audience. Like, anyone could have won.

[Pat]

I'm so curious how it's going to turn out, because if it turns out great, we may do many more of these. But it's going to be exciting. Anyways, gang, great to be on with you guys. To those of you guys that placed the order on the faith over fear, go to the link below. Place your order. I saw one guy that ordered 20. Almost 20. I think it was 20 hats one guy ordered. This is a great thing to give gift to others. Go place your orders, get the shirts. Go to vtmerch.com to place the order. And we will be launching an interview tomorrow morning at 9am as well as we have a very interesting person that'll be interviewed. I won't say when, and then he'll be launching. This is with all the stuff that's going on with Australia. I'm trying to find out more about what's going on with Australia, but. Adam, you look like you want to say something.

[Adam]

No, no. Just today. We have a big day at the office. I don't want to.

[Pat]

Yes, we do.

[Adam]

We have a massive day. Can I say it? It's our company.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Pat]

I mean, it's. We're. We're. We're doing something today.

[Adam]

We're doing something today at the office. I'm excited to see everybody we work with.

[Vinnie]

Yes.

[Pat]

It's gonna be great.

[Adam]

Faith over fair. Merry Christmas, Santa. Corgi.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Adam]

Manectum. Go for it.

[Tom]

The Hanukkah party's tomorrow.

[Adam]

That's true. Tom, you might catch an invite to the White House next time. With that kind of attitude. Vinnie, you're out, buddy.

[Pat]

Guys, God bless. Have a great weekend. We'll do it again next week. Take care, everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye. By going X Santa.