Brazil: Corrupt Alexandre de Moraes EXPOSED | Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira | PBD Podcast #409

Summary

PBD Podcast #409: Brazil: Corrupt Alexandre de Moraes EXPOSED | Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira

Release Date: February 21, 2025
Host: PBD Podcast

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Introduction

In episode #409 of the PBD Podcast, the host delves deep into the political turmoil surrounding Brazil's Supreme Court Justice, Alexandre de Moraes. Joined by influential Brazilian conservatives—Paulo Figueiredo, Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira, and Gustavo Galler—the discussion unpacks allegations of corruption, judicial overreach, and the state of democracy in Brazil. The episode also touches upon international influences, economic concerns, and the broader implications for free speech and political stability both within Brazil and globally.

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Guests Introduction

[01:02] Host:
"Don't ask me how we were able to pull this off, but we got four of the most influential, powerful voices in the Brazilian communities..."

Paulo Figueiredo:
"One of the loudest figures on YouTube podcasts."

Eduardo Bolsonaro:
"Third son of Jair Bolsonaro, a popular congressman since 2018 with millions of followers."

Nikolas Ferreira:
"Known for his assertive and confident presence online, Gustavo Galler brings expertise from running an English school and excelling in law."

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Alexandre de Moraes: Rise to Power and Allegations of Corruption

[04:23] Host:
"According to some of the due diligence that we're doing on our end, this guy was a lawyer... How did he go from being a lawyer to getting into different political groups, to all of a sudden becoming the most feared and possibly some people even call him a dictator in Brazil. What happened with him?"

Eduardo Bolsonaro:
"I think Paulo Figueiredo can answer better this question."

[05:43] Eduardo Bolsonaro:
"We can get arrested depending on what we are going to talk about here. We can have huge problems over there."

Paulo Figueiredo:
"Alexandre de Moraes became the most powerful man in Brazil. Operation Car Wash started to investigate corruption within the judiciary, leading to increased control over media and censorship under the guise of combating fake news."

[06:23] Gustavo Galler:
"One day after we spoke to Elon Musk on Space X, the day after they opened an investigation against me because I called Lula a thief."

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Operation Car Wash and Judicial Overreach

[14:23] Paulo Figueiredo:
"In 2019, when Bolsonaro got elected, Operation Car Wash started investigating Supreme Court Justices, including Moraes. They abused provisions to open investigations against perceived slanders, marking the birth of the fake news probe."

[16:25] Nicholas Ferreira:
"Elon Musk is being investigated over fake news and obstruction in Brazil after Supreme Court orders."

Paulo Figueiredo:
"The judiciary opened investigations thinking that any online criticism falls within their jurisdiction, leading to widespread censorship and suppression of dissent."

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Censorship and the Erosion of Free Speech

[18:28] Paulo Figueiredo:
"The deep state is always there regardless of who wins. They are always ready to suppress dissent."

[19:35] Gustavo Galler:
"Lula's administration has introduced measures to legalize abortion and drugs through the Supreme Court, bypassing Congress. I was fined for predicting these outcomes."

[25:21] Paulo Figueiredo:
"He can go to prison if he says anything about it."

[45:00] Paulo Figueiredo:
"Every dictatorship is associated somehow with the collapse in education and restricted access to information, leading to lowered IQ over generations."

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Judiciary as the New Executive: Concerns of Dictatorship

[38:07] Paulo Figueiredo:
"The establishment lost control over public opinion, using the Supreme Court to run the country. The majority of the justices were appointed by leftist figures, making Brazil function under a judicial dictatorship."

[39:38] Nicholas Ferreira:
"Moraes has broken the leash and is now acting as a dictator. Brazil is no longer a democracy but a dictatorship centered in the judiciary."

[40:49] Nicholas Ferreira:
"Morais has so much power now he's drunk by it. We created a monster that can't be controlled, leading to dictatorship."

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International Influence and Global Implications

[21:20] Nicholas Ferreira:
"International forces, including George Soros and the U.S. establishment, are backing Moraes. A Financial Times article revealed that U.S. officials threatened Brazilian officials to not challenge Moraes, enforcing alignment with U.S. foreign policy."

[22:05] Eduardo Bolsonaro:
"Democracy or something like that. The Biden administration is pushing a woke leftist agenda globally, supporting Lula in Brazil to undermine conservative movements."

[84:05] Eduardo Bolsonaro:
"Election interference by the U.S. weakens global stability. A strong U.S. acts as a deterrent against dictatorships worldwide."

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Economic Concerns: Inflation and Public Spending

[56:12] Host:
"Under your father, inflation went down significantly. How is inflation in Brazil now?"

[56:22] Eduardo Bolsonaro:
"We managed to reduce inflation during Bolsonaro's term, achieving lower rates than the U.S. for the first time in history."

[57:37] Paulo Figueiredo:
"Brazil now has significant public deficits, with public spending and debt soaring. Inflation, especially on food, has drastically increased, pushing millions below the poverty line."

[59:32] Gustavo Galler:
"The government spends excessively on unproductive items like new furniture for official residences while neglecting essential services."

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Electoral Issues and Attempts at Impeachment

[30:27] Host:
"Was Lula and Marcola ever in jail together? No, they were in separate facilities. But recorded phone calls suggest Lula had connections with drug cartels even while in jail."

[37:42] Gustavo Galler:
"He supports and endorses Lula to cartel leaders. The Supreme Court censored the podcast when they published this information."

[75:56] Paulo Figueiredo:
"Four million people have signed online petitions to impeach Moraes, a historic move indicating widespread public dissatisfaction."

[104:07] Gustavo Galler:
"Impeaching Moraes would require significant political maneuvering, but the establishment is deploying threats to prevent such actions."

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Public Protests and Civil Unrest

[86:10] Eduardo Bolsonaro:
"Protests in Copacabana and Paulista Avenue show massive support for Bolsonaro despite his ineligibility to run for office. These demonstrations indicate strong grassroots support against the judiciary's overreach."

[89:00] Eduardo Bolsonaro:
"Federal government has been inefficient in disaster response, blocking aid and imposing fines on aid trucks, further fueling public anger and unrest."

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International Support and Asylum Offers

[94:48] Paulo Figueiredo:
"Argentina has offered asylum to Brazilian conservatives facing persecution, but Lula's administration has denied these offers."

[95:30] Paulo Figueiredo:
"Instituto Cultural Flores in Rio Grande do Sul previously assisted with Starlink terminals aiding communication during disasters. Now, with increased censorship, such support is crucial."

[96:05] Nicholas Ferreira:
"The U.S. has become a global soft power entity pushing a leftist agenda, hindering Brazil's ability to maintain autonomy and respond to internal crises effectively."

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Conclusion and Final Remarks

[101:11] Host:
"Thank you for joining us and shedding light on the critical situation in Brazil. For listeners wanting to support and understand more, links to the guests' social media platforms will be provided."

[106:45] Nicholas Ferreira:
"We are fighting against a judicial dictatorship in Brazil, and it's essential to spread awareness and support each other globally to counteract these authoritarian moves."

[114:28] Paulo Figueiredo:
"The war against free speech is global, and Brazil is a frontline battleground. It's imperative to address this to prevent the spread of judicial overreach into other democracies."

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Notable Quotes

• Eduardo Bolsonaro [05:43]:
  "Alexandre de Moraes became the most powerful man in Brazil... the federal police can only react after Moraes decides to take action."

• Paulo Figueiredo [14:23]:
  "Operation Car Wash started to investigate Supreme Court Justices, leading to increased control over media and censorship under the guise of combating fake news."

• Nikolas Ferreira [18:42]:
  "Brazil is an experiment of a new kind of dictatorship... a dictatorship centered in the judiciary."

• Gustavo Galler [56:58]:
  "Brazil now has significant public deficits, with public spending and debt soaring. Inflation, especially on food, has drastically increased."

• Nicholas Ferreira [104:07]:
  "Morais has so much power now he's drunk by it. We created a monster that can't be controlled, leading to dictatorship."

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Key Takeaways

1. Judicial Overreach: Alexandre de Moraes wields excessive power, suppressing dissent and controlling media through judicial mechanisms under the pretext of combating fake news.

2. Censorship and Free Speech: There is a significant erosion of free speech in Brazil, with conservatives facing investigations and censorship for opposing the judiciary.

3. International Influence: The United States and global elites are accused of meddling in Brazil's politics to suppress conservative movements and uphold a leftist agenda.

4. Economic Instability: Rising inflation, especially affecting the poor, and increasing public deficits signal economic mismanagement under current governance.

5. Public Unrest: Massive protests indicate widespread public support for conservative figures like Bolsonaro and dissatisfaction with the judiciary's actions.

6. Global Implications: Brazil's shift towards a judicial dictatorship could serve as a blueprint for similar authoritarian movements worldwide, threatening global democracy.

7. Call to Action: The guests emphasize the need for international support, increased awareness, and unified conservative efforts to counteract judicial overreach and restore democracy in Brazil.

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Final Thoughts

This episode of the PBD Podcast highlights the deep political schisms in Brazil, focusing on the controversial role of Alexandre de Moraes and the challenges faced by conservatives in a seemingly shifting democratic landscape. The discussions underscore the importance of vigilance, international solidarity, and strategic action to preserve democratic institutions and free speech against growing authoritarian tendencies.

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For more insights and to support the guests’ efforts, follow Paulo Figueiredo, Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira, and Gustavo Galler on their respective social media platforms. Links are available in the podcast description.

Transcript

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[Host]

Don't ask me how we were able to pull this off, but we got four of the most influential, powerful voices in the Brazilian communities. Paulo Figueirdo.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Okay, yes or no please. This has nothing to do with Russia.

[Host]

Yes or no? Reclaim.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

I can ask.

[Host]

This is my hearing. The third son of Yair Bolsonaro, Eduardo Bolsonaro. It seems that your father and President Trump have a natural affinity.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yes, my father as Trump, he doesn't follow politically correctly. So what he thinks he tell people. If you are going to lie, it or not is up to you.

[Host]

Nicholas Ferreira Gustavo Galler.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

What's happening in the world today, that's not just in Brazil, that totalitarianism is a virus.

[Host]

All right? So don't ask me how we were able to pull this off, but we got four of the most influential, powerful voices in the Brazilian community, specifically on the conservative side. Especially at a time like this, with all the stuff that's going on in Brazil. Whether you were watching what happened with the elections or the January 8th event in 2023. On my right, he's been on before. Paolo Figueredo, I think I said it right, I got it somewhere close, close to it. He's been on before. Probably one of the loudest figures, you know, podcast in YouTube. You know, your father, I think was the former grandfather, was a former president of Brazil and we had this conversation last time you were here. I think it was Rodrigo Constantine, if I'm not mistaken. Right to my left we have the third son of Yair Bolsonaro, Eduardo Bolsonaro, who became a congressman, maybe the most popular congressman in 2018, if I'm not mistaken, where you have a massive following, loyalty. People are curious to know what you're doing. But you're also involved in politics yourself as well, with your father, which is very interesting to see that. And great to have you on.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Thank you.

[Host]

Then we have Nicolas Ferreira, which, by the way, I'm trying to see if I can give a good example where in America it'll make sense to you. So 2022, he wins, getting the most votes. You guys call it mp, we call it Congressman. I think it's like, relatively close to it. Yeah, it is, yeah. And this guy's got 18, 19 million followers. I think he's got 11 million on Insta, if I'm not mistaken. You got like 5 million on TikTok. You got millions of people following you. You're loud, you're confident, you're assertive, and you're hated by a lot of people on the other side in Brazil, I think it's fair to say. And then Gustavo, who we have here, Galler, is probably the guy that speaks the best English here, just so you know. He runs a school in Brazil. I think he started in 2013. 2014.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Exactly.

[Host]

And you're also very good at getting under people's skin, so it's great to have you on as well. It's a very interesting crowd we got here.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Thank you.

[Host]

So let me get right into it. My interest. This video podcast is going to be translated in the language as well, so everybody can watch this. It'll be all over the place. English as well as, you know, the native language that they speak in Brazil. I want to start off with this. Last time we were together, I am not heavily involved in the Brazilian politics, but I want to know why and what happened to this guy. If you can pull him up, Alexandre, you guys call him Demoraes, I think, right? Alexandre de Morais.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Right.

[Host]

Pull up his picture. So according to some of the due diligence that we're doing on our end, this guy was a lawyer. He went to a law school. I think later on, he wrote a book on law for lawyers that most law schools in Brazil actually use. I think it may even be the most popular book written on laws there. And he did a lot of good work economically, if I'm not mistaken, he's a conservative. And. And Fordham, he claims. Back in the days, economically, he was conservative. He was about backing up the cops to make sure the streets were Clean. And all the stuff that was going on, where some issues that was happening with him and then all of a sudden something happens, okay. Where you go through a certain phase with him where he flips from being who he was. Operation car wash happens. Millions of dollars, if not billions of dollars are stolen. You know, Lula gets the house, the waterfront property claims never got it. Another guy gave $2.1 billion in bribes. I think it's one of the richest people in Brazil. You guys know the name on who he is, what he did. But I want to know about him. How did he go from being a lawyer to getting into different political groups, to all of a sudden becoming the most feared and possibly some people even call him a dictator in Brazil. What happened with him?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

I think Paulo Figueiredo, who lives here in US can answer better this question.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

It's hard.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

I'm telling that because other way we treat here. You have to go back home. And I'm very. We can get arrested depend depending what we are going to talk here. We can have huge problems over there. I. I'm. I'm going to remember when we were together in Brussels in the European Parliament, talking about the censorship in Brazil and all of that. When it came back, the federal police report, it was my name there. I'm not sure if yours your names, but everybody here is under investigation. Just like Elon Musk when. When Alexander Morales, when he doesn't like someone, he opened investigation against this. This person. So I think if Paul, look.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah. For example, Patrick, one day after we spoke to Elon Musk on Space on X. The day after.

[Host]

This is the Mario Nefal Twitter space.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yes, exactly.

[Host]

Does a phenomenal.

[Gustavo Galler]

Thank you, Mario. By the way, he's doing a lot for Brazil to give us. Giving us voice. Yes, One day after they opened an investigation against me because I called Lula a thief. They. So that that's what they do. Anything that you say that maybe is danger for them, they like open an investigation and they try to pressure you, you know.

[Host]

Has Brazil always been that way?

[Gustavo Galler]

No.

[Host]

Okay, so when did it flip? That's my interest.

[Gustavo Galler]

That's what Paulo is going to.

[Host]

When did it flip?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, so he has a very interesting background. He was never a conservative, but Brazil didn't have conservatives for a long time. We had a left and center left. So we had Workers Party, which was socialist, very old school socialist. And we had a center left. It's more like European social democracy. And Brazil has been alternating between these two parties from you can say since my grandfather until his father. Okay. And then his father changed everything. So his background is that he was Secretary of Security, right? Safety, Public Safety, in the state of Sao Paulo. And then he was. When Duma Rousseff was impeached, he was called to be the Minister of Justice of Duma Rousseff, vice President, and then became president, a gentleman called Michel Temer. So that's. He became. He was appointed by Michel Temer, which was a guy more from the center, to be the justice of a Supreme Court.

[Host]

Rob, can you pull up Michel Temer, please? Keep going.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Back then, what's very interesting is that back then, the Workers Party asked for him to be impeached. They tried any way they could to avoid him becoming a Supreme Court justice. They really were really heavy against it. But things started changing in 2019. So in 2019, Jair Bolsonaro got. He got elected in 2018. He took office in 2019. And at the same time, Operation Car Wash was starting to investigate corruption from the Supreme Court involving some figures from the Supreme Court that include another justice called Joe Marmendez. And.

[Host]

No, no, it was M I C H E L. Michel Temer.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Like Michael. Michael.

[Host]

M I C H E L M.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

E R. Yeah, that's him.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, that's him.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes.

[Host]

Okay.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

This guy is the vice president of.

[Host]

Duma, but he's center. He's in the center.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

He's center. He's center.

[Host]

So let's stay real quick there. So in 2019, does anybody in Brazil wake up worrying about Alexandra de Moraes in 2019?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

I would say most of us, we.

[Gustavo Galler]

Didn'T know who was when.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

No, no, but we. I mean, we mostly supported him as a Supreme Court justice because we didn't think of him as being a tyrant. We didn't know he was a psychopath.

[Gustavo Galler]

We didn't know about that, actually, because that's the thing about a lot of videos, him saying that Peter made corruption, that the left made corruption in our country. So there's old videos from him.

[Host]

That's what I'm saying. He used to be a conservative. At least he know he's not conservative.

[Gustavo Galler]

But an opposition against the left, the party.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

There's something Brazil, we like to say the Theater of Caesars. For decades, we believed there was a right and the left. But the truth is, like Paulo said, they were both on the left, one more left than the other, with two parties, pt, Workers Party and pstb, which is a Socialist Democratic Party. And what they wanted to do is alternate between them for as long as forever and this guy, Alexander Jimora is part of one of the not so left party. He was a Frenchman, a frontman for this. But then what happened was that a fluke happened. And because of Internet, because people started saying their mind and debating on the Internet, we were able to elect Bolsonaro Bolsonaro in the House of Congress. He was what we call the B. The lower rank congressman, isolated guy, but because of the Internet propagated his words and he spoke exactly what was in our minds, what was, you know, stuffed in our minds. And then people started following him and everywhere he went, we went an airport and then thousands of people showed up just to carry him on his show on our shoulders. And. And the system started getting worried about that. Well, wait, wait a second. Who is this guy? Who is this outsider that wants to come in? We already have the, the, the. The next president. And Alexandre Moraes was part of the next president's group. But then the fluke happened. We elected Bolsonar. Very similar to Donald Trump here, but less money. But Bolsonaro has absolutely zero money.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Actually was just usually I say conservative accounts that My father did $1 million during his campaign in 2018. And I'm very conservative. I could say I don't know half of that.

[Host]

So.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

But. And it was a phenomenal.

[Host]

So let me ask you, has your father ever met him before? Like before becoming president? Yes.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

I don't think so.

[Host]

Before becoming president. No.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

No, no.

[Host]

Okay.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Because no one thought he would win Bolsonaro. I mean the establishment didn't think he was going to. You heard this before. It was less possible than melee about it. Oh my God. Bolsonaro, like Bolsonaro is going to be the president. You heard this?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

It was a joke.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Exactly. Like, like the difference.

[Host]

The difference is that when a lot of people say like Trump. The difference is Trump's been famous.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah.

[Host]

For a long time for money tv. Was your father famous in Brazil? No.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

No.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, he was. He was famous for being on, on TV shows.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yes. Because my, the raise of my father. It was in the exact moment that the strategy of the left wings was doing encourage the politically correct policies. So my father was accused of being racist, nazist faces, homophobic and all of that. Pre running. Pre running. And then my father, he wasn't given that amount of attention for that and start to keep talking his father, his thinking while he was thinking. And he started to go all around the country because he said if Juma Rousseff, who is not smart, and I'll be very polite here, if he got reelected if she did get reelected as president of Brazil, why not me? So he started to go all around the country, doing some radio shows and TV shows.

[Host]

When is this, 18 or 17?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

This was 1617. He started.

[Host]

So he started talking about his policies, that he thinks there's a problem in Brazil in 2016.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yes.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

In TV, popular shows.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yes.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Including, like shows that were not about politics.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

One thing is important about a lot of these shows invited him to mock him.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

To mock him?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yes, to mock him, to make fun of him. But the viewer. But that's the disconnection there is between the legacy media and the people, the population. Because we, when we watched him and we saw his words, that's exactly what we think.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Beautiful people was making fun. And then he was talking with the mess of the people.

[Gustavo Galler]

And there's a nice point, only because the Internet made his voice heard, you know?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yeah.

[Gustavo Galler]

So 2016, people started to go on Facebook, on Instagram, and then people could hear him because all we had were the traditional medias in Brazil that never put him as a good person.

[Host]

Okay, so at that time, he's going. He's behind the scenes. No one is even looking. Right. He's. He's nothing at this time. 16, 17, 18. You know him. You're saying you know him, but he's not front facing. He's behind closed doors. Okay. No threat, no signs of that one time he stole this, that one time he did this. There's nothing yet.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

No, Correct.

[Host]

Okay, so what happens 2020 with him now? Bolsonaro is the president now he's there, he wins 2019 till 2022. What's happening to him now behind closed doors?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

So in 2019, when Bolsonaro got elected, at the same time Car Wash was starting to investigate Supreme Court Justice.

[Host]

So in Lula hasn't gone to jail yet, or he did.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

He wasn't.

[Host]

He was 520 days in jail. He was supposed to do 10 years, 12 years. He.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes, but Car Wash started to investigate the judiciary at that time. And then they. The judiciary made something very interesting.

[Host]

Right, Pull up Operation Car Wash. Keep going, please.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They made a very, very interesting thing. They decided, well, there's a provision in the Supreme Court bylaws, internal bylaws, saying that if a crime occurs within the premises of the court, we can open an investigation ourselves. It's a court opening investigation. So the US Supreme Court has the same structure. Yes. So they can open an investigation that was thought to investigate, like internal crime. Someone stole something in the U.S. for example, they opened this to investigate who leaked the Roe v. Wade overturn. Okay? But in Brazil, they said, well, if people are saying stuff against us on the Internet. Well, the Internet's kind of everywhere, so it's within the premises of the court. So we're gonna open an investigation about people trying to slander the Supreme Court. And then they started censoring articles, including an article from a magazine that pointed out that one of the Supreme Court justices was involved in corruption with one big construction company in Brazil. And they censored that. And that was the beginning of what they called the fake news probe. That's the same probe that was opened in 2019. That's the birth of it. And it's still open. Now we're all being investigated by four years. Elon Musk is being investigated by this probe. Michael. He is. Michael Shallenberger is being investigated there, everyone. And they issued measures against. They sent people to prison. But it's only a probe. It's not a case yet. No one has been charged for five.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Years, but they have had their houses raided, passports confiscated.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

It's interesting to point out that on the same time, and that's interesting for.

[Host]

Us, this is what you're telling me. Elon Musk will be investigated over fake news and obstruction in Brazil after Supreme Court order. What's the date on this route?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Oh, this is probably a month old.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, two weeks ago.

[Host]

Okay, so you're saying this April. Okay, this is a month ago. Okay, while you're saying this, this Alexandre, he's still. Is he the puppet master behind closed doors or. Not yet.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, he became the most powerful man in Brazil by far. Because this is. It's an interesting investigation. What's interesting for US viewers as well is that at the same time the United States, mostly the left and the deep state, were discussing, well, how do we deal with the Internet problem that Nicholas was talking about? Well, Trump got elected through the Internet and Bolsonaro got elected through the Internet. And then you had the president, several congressmen, the Republican Party changed dramatically because of the Internet. You had Brexit and you had Hungary. And you have all the changes, all these changes around the world. So it was like the establishment started to see what could they do to change it. So that's when you see right now, if you read the censorship industrial complex report from the House Judiciary Committee, you see that the Biden administration was discussing with social media companies how to censor and moderate some type of opinions.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Extremists.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

And they sent. This is public records. It's not a conspiracy theory. I'M not one of these guys. But they sent FBI officials and Department of Justice officials to have media meetings in Brazil with the tsc trying to explain to them how to quote, unquote, combat disinformation. That was the same. Was this 2019? And this is public records.

[Host]

This is in 2019. Pre Biden becoming president.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Establishment fighting back.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

The deep state. The deep state. Well, we all know how much Trump suffered from the FBI while he was president. So deep state. It's why they're there, right? It doesn't matter who wins. They're there anyways.

[Host]

Is he now the most powerful man in Brazil? Oh, by far, by far feared.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Because he can do whatever he wants. And I'll ask you, you're going to appeal for who? There is no one higher than the Supreme Court. If they decided something, everybody's looking, okay, this is not in favor of the Constitution. He is like not caring. He doesn't matter what the law is saying. He does whatever he wants. But, okay, this is illegal. What can you do? This is the problem. That's why we are here. I'm not happy here debating about internal issues of Brazil, but at least we are alerting our friends here in the US and preventing them to do not let this virus, this Brazilian virus come to here. But this is the hard question. How can we fight back against someone that is doing that? In the Supreme Court, for example, in.

[Gustavo Galler]

The election, in the presidential elections, his dad, Bolsonaro couldn't do. Lives on his own home government official residence. Yeah, official residence.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

That happened to Trump as well.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, they did this to Trump. For example, in the election, I made a video saying that Lula, for example, he would legalize abortion. He would legalize the drugs. And I got a fine like about $10,000 because I did that. And now we have two women ministers. Lula put in the charge and they support abortion. The Supreme Court started to vote abortion and also drugs. So I was right and I got fined for that. So who. Yeah, who? I'm going to appeal for that.

[Host]

So, okay, so let's stay on Alexander de Moraes. And I know you guys don't want to stay on it because you're trying to go back to Brazil and he's not trying to go back to Brazil. But here's the question I wanted to.

[Gustavo Galler]

Well, yeah, he wants.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I think I understand what you're trying to get. How did Alexandre Moraes get all this power? Who gave it? Who gave that power to him?

[Host]

Right, right. So one is who gave it to him? Two, what happened behind closed doors. Is there some? Because sometimes we see somebody and then you're like, oh, that's the most powerful man in Brazil. And it's really these other two people nobody knows about, and they're behind closed doors. Is he the puppet master, or is there another puppet master behind? Alexandra?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He is the goon chosen to be the front man to all the absurdities and the injustice that's happening in Brazil.

[Host]

So by who?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Well, let's get there. Paul can talk about it, but backed.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

By others, including the Biden administration.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

So even there are international forces that are influencing what's happening in Brazil.

[Host]

Such as what countries?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

We have Soros.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, mainly. Mainly the US in the US International community, all the people that go to Davos and the World Economic Forum, these are. So, for example, the Supreme Court was president. Our Supreme Court justices. Not Moraes, but the president of the court, the chief justice, which Barozo, he was in Davos this year. And look, it's definitely a global community of global elite that supports him. But the most support comes from the United States. Let me give you a concrete example. Pull up a Financial times article from 2023. It's called the discrete campaign, the US discreet campaign to defend Brazilian elections, if I'm not mistaken.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Democracy.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

A democracy or something like that. Okay, it's a Financial Times article, so not a conspiracy theory. What they say in this article is that U.S. top officials. U.S. top officials. I'm talking about the CIA director, the secretary of Defense, the chief commander of the. Of the Southern Command. The chief general was a lady, I believe. Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor. All of them went to Brazil to threaten public officials, military leaders and politicians to not challenge Moraes. Because we were discussing election integrity back then. And every single one of them said, look, if you challenge Moraes, who was the president of the superior electoral court in Brazil, if you challenge him, you will face a mighty power of the United States foreign policy. Well, the army, the military will stop cooperation with the Brazilian military. You guys are going to suffer with embargoes and all sorts of sanctions. You will be left out of the international community. We'll do with you what we did to Russia. And that was one of the reasons why the institutions in Brazil didn't work.

[Host]

Okay, so here's an article.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah.

[Host]

FBI, Soros and secret police and vast censorship, Conspiracy in Brazil.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

That's by David Agape, a very good investor, investigative journalist. He works with Michael Shellenberger. He's like his partner in Brazil.

[Host]

Can I read this? Let me.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He was just put in Investigation too.

[Host]

He was. Let me read this. Councillor, go a little lower up so I can read it from right there. The first two paragraphs. The US Government's Federal Bureau of Investigation, Soros and the Supreme Court of Brazil claim to be defenders of free speech and democracy. The mission of the FBI is to uphold the U.S. constitution, whose first amendment prohibits government limits on freedom of speech. Soros and his son Alex, who runs this philanthropic foundation, claims to want open societies where people are free to express their views. And the Supreme Court of Brazil claims to uphold the Brazilian Constitution commitment to freedom of expression. But now a months long investigation reveals that the FBI has helped Brazil censor its citizens. The Soros Open Society foundation is spending heavily to promote censorship in Brazil. And Brazil has a secret judicial police force that exists specifically to spy upon and censor people deemed to be spreading false information. Together, the FBI, Soros and the Supreme Court of Brazil are engaged in a direct result of free speech protection of both the Brazilian and U.S. constitution.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Okay, there's your answer.

[Host]

So they're getting a. But let me ask another question. You know, sometimes when somebody flips and you look at this person like this guy's reasonable, he's good, he doesn't see him like a weird guy. And all of a sudden, boom. And you realize somebody had something on him behind closed doors. The story about the fact that he was linked to the plane crash with the Supreme Court, you know, the old justice theory. And I was like, yeah, I don't know if there's story. Was there anything that happened or was it behind it? Maybe, maybe not. Some people say 80% bogus. There's no way there's credibility behind it. And then you hear about the stories with him being linked to the. What do you call it? The Primero Commando. The Capital Gang headquartered in Sao Paulo, started falsely online when he was city Secretary of Public Security. Was he linked to the gang? Was there people that he was supporting? Was there some of that going on with Alessandro?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

If they say anything about it, they will immediately go to prison.

[Gustavo Galler]

When they arrive in prison, I'll be muted here.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

I'll be bold enough to do it.

[Gustavo Galler]

I'm gonna be in silence.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

So he worked. So here's the PC.

[Host]

So there's some credibility here.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, I'll tell you exactly the facts. I'll just lay down the facts and you make your own conclusion. So the PCC is the largest drug cartel in Brazil? Well, some, some can argue one of the largest drug cartels in Brazil.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

No, it's the number one.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes, definitely the Number one is mainly.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

The delivery system for all the drugs that are produced in Latin America goes through pcc. All the cocaine that comes to United States goes through pcc.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes, absolutely.

[Host]

So if it's coming from Colombia, goes to PCC in Brazil first, then it comes up here.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Ships all over the world.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They're the distributors. Okay. So PCC was being investigated in Brazil and they found connections between them. The Workers Party. I'm not going to get into that because that's not necessarily important for this discussion. But BCC was laundering money. Possibly. But one way that they thought they were laundering money was through a union of public transportation. Yeah, like drivers from vans. In Brazil, it was very popular. People used to use vans for public transportation. Okay. And there was a union of these vans van drivers. It was called Trans Cop. And he was the attorney, the defense attorney for one of these unions. And that's. That's the only connection that we actually have. So I don't usually, if you work for an institution that's related to the drug cartels, that's not a good sign. But that's not definitive to say he's linked.

[Host]

Was he a lawyer that maybe represented some former criminals before? Because sometimes lawyers, I know lawyers that I've talked to represented Weinstein. We had a lawyer the other day on the podcast. It was Diddy's lawyer before Rob. Who else's lawyer? He was, if you remember, it was.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Harvey Weinstein's attorney as well, at one point. Several high profile clients.

[Host]

So he was a lawyer like that. And by the way, is there any connection with him and Marcolo Camacho? Is there any relationship between the two with him, Playboy Russo, Is there anything there?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

We don't know?

[Host]

So he's saying he's facing 232 years in jail. Okay, Marcolo Camacho, is he in jail right now?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yeah, he is.

[Host]

And is he the Pablo Escobar of the pcc?

[Gustavo Galler]

A lot of people say that he is. Yeah.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

It's a fair.

[Host]

It's a fair assessment.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes.

[Host]

And there's no link between the two relationships at all.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

We can't.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

We can say there is, but I can add something. During my father's administration, Marcolo was transferred to other jail in the middle of the jungle. Let me say that I think he went to Porto Valiana in Rondonia. And when Lula got it back again, so now we have a little. As president, I don't know how, I don't know what terms, but this guy came back again to Brasilia to The capital. Yes. I'm talking about the fact. I'm talking about the fact I. I don't have anything that I can say. Oh, this guy, he made kind of agreement with the new president. I cannot say that, but it's very strange why they should go back again with one of the head of the number one criminal organization back to Brasilia.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

But there are definitely connections between the left and the drug cartels. I mean, for example, Lula is part of an organization called the photo de Sao Paulo. Okay. This is the. Basically a union from all the left parties in Latin America. One of the founding members of the Foto de so Paulo is the farc, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, who control all the drugs in Colombia until they became a leftist party. But they're founding members. The connections between the left and drug cartels in Brazil are absolutely insane. And here's the thing. In 2022, we could not report that we used to get court orders from Maris. I was on tv, on primetime tv, cable news tv. I wanted to report the connections that Lula had with the drug cartels. And I couldn't buy court orders off Marais. And all of them turned out to be accurate.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

There was actually an interception of a phone call between this guy Marcola and some other leader of PCC in which he clearly states that he supports and he endorses Lula and he would like Lula to another leader of PCC, this guy.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

2022.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

This was now 2022.

[Host]

While he's in jail.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

While he's in jail.

[Host]

Who. Who intercepted it? Who intercepted the police?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

The Federal Police.

[Host]

So why. Why 2022? Who's president? Bolsonaro or.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Bolsonaro.

[Host]

Got it.

[Gustavo Galler]

They had, like, dialogues. The audio says that they had dialogues.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They could. They could. They could have a. They could debate with them. They could negotiate with them.

[Gustavo Galler]

Not with and Bolsonaro.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They couldn't negotiate.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He said, our lives will be much easier. Everything will be much better for us.

[Host]

Yes.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

And ever. Ever since Lula got.

[Host]

Everybody's heard that.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

No, that's the thing. It's an investigation from the police that went public. I posted it on my social media. Morais took it down.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah.

[Host]

Morales took it down. Took it down on which platform?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Oh, I think it was Instagram.

[Host]

So let me ask you. Okay, so.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

So I cannot put an audio that's public recorded from the police, because it was. It was fake news.

[Host]

Brazil will have access to this interview right now on YouTub. Brazil. What percentage?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I don't know. Maybe 10, 15%.

[Host]

10, 15%?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, all of them will have access.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

We will. We will. Of course we will post on our social media, and that will get much bigger. Now, Nicholas, put on Z social media. But that's the thing. I'm afraid to get these parts that I'm saying to you right now. If I post on my social media, then I can have my house raided by federal police.

[Host]

I totally get it. So for. But where I'm going with this is what percentage of. Like, today I posted a tweet, and the question I put on there was, what do you think about Alexandra from Brazil? Is he the most powerful man in Brazil? And it is the least liked commented post I've had in a year. Okay. That I posted with this. I don't know whether it's because my audience could care less about Brazil, or maybe it's because the audience is sitting there and certain people who are interested in this don't see it. Right. Then I went on your platform, and I noticed. No, when you guys tweet, you guys get a lot of traffic. You got a lot of traffic, so means people from Brazil are seeing your stuff. Maybe my audience is not interested right now in what's going on with Brazil because I'm not Brazilian. I'm not talking about it.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

I retweeted it.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yeah, I did.

[Gustavo Galler]

I'm gonna do this.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Okay, Please, guys, repost it.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I'm gonna retweet it right now.

[Host]

So what I want to know is. What I want to know is, I want to know if. If he is who he is, then you're telling the story of whatever Camacho. Whatever his. For Marcolo, I think. Right? Marco Camacho makes the call. Marcola Camacho. Okay. And then did Marcola Camacho, who's in jail at the time, is Lula also in jail at the time in 2022? Is Lula in jail in 2011?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

No, no, no. He was running for president.

[Host]

Was he and Lula ever in jail together? Were they ever at the same jail?

[Gustavo Galler]

No, no, not at the same jail.

[Host]

They've never been at the same. And that's proven. People know that it's two separate jails.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Lula was in Kurichiba.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

And Lula was not in actual prison. He was like federal police. Federal police.

[Host]

Has Lula or Marcola in the past relationship together? Is there any other?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

They are too smart to do that. Everything happens behind closed doors.

[Host]

But you gotta be. Lula's been a great community organizer, speaker, rallying. He going up. He's a great speaker. Energized. He knows how to get people to say, it's not fair what they're doing to you. She's like a aoc, right?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He used to be. Nowadays he has no more audience that what's something. Another weird thing that's happened.

[Host]

But now he's giving money to them. Socialism. So now he's getting people to be like, hey, this guy's a nice guy. He's giving us money. If you can pull up the Statista number on the kind of money being spent by the government. Look at the rise here. Zoom in a little bit. This is from 2007 to 2029. Look at the number there on the bottom. So it's gradually climbing. Nothing insane. 2021, 2022. Lula goes in. Look at the spending. The next year, boom, boom, skyrocketing. They go up from $700 billion. They go up $160 billion in spending. The next year, 120. Within two years, he goes from 730 billion budget to billion dollars. You're talking about an increase of 300 and whatever. $260 billion that they increase. What do you do with that? I'll give you this, I'll give you that. More entitlement programs, so you win the votes. This is kind of like Biden right now is trying to give money to all these college and forgiving. It's an effective strategy. But then lead me to this one. Can you pull up the one when the inauguration of Lula, right? He's winning and this man here walks by. You guys obviously know who he is. I had to look up to see who he is. I know, yeah. If you don't want to say the name, I can say the name. Benedito Goncalves right now. At the time. Who is Benedito? Is he a powerful man?

[Gustavo Galler]

He was a judge from Electoral Court.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

He was one of the most important because Brazil has a very weird structure. All elections in Brazil were electronic, fully electronic. We talked about this and centralized by one court, which is the Superior Electoral Court.

[Host]

He runs it.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

He is at the same time a justice of the Supreme Court. And until next month, he's also and has been for the past two years, the president, which is like Chief justice of the Superior Electoral Court.

[Gustavo Galler]

At the same time, this guy that's.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

More eyes, not Benejut Morais, that's more eyes.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Benjito is like his right hand, the second most important guy. He's the cojidor on the Superior Electoral Court.

[Host]

Okay, play this clip. So this is inauguration. It's announced. Lula is winning. The man right in the middle sitting. That's sitting right above the emblem. You see a bald man right there? That's. That's Morales right in the middle. Watch the man. Benedito is going to walk from the left. He's coming to the right. Play this clip.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Wrap the black fat one.

[Host]

He taps the shoulder, whispers something in the ear.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah.

[Host]

Can you play it one more time? Listen closely.

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[Paulo Figueiredo]

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[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

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[Host]

To be. I asked some of the friends here that are speak the language. He says, mission accomplished.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Mission given.

[Gustavo Galler]

Mission accomplished.

[Host]

Mission given. Mission accomplished. And he's saying it to Moraes?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yes.

[Host]

Let me ask you, is he telling Moraes that you gave me the mission, I help you accomplish the mission, or is it the other way around that Benedito said, we gave the mission, we accomplished it together.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

What he's saying is, you gave me a mission and I did it.

[Host]

I delivered for you. So his loyalty is to Moraes.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

We don't know. We don't you understand the question I'm asking? We can't say.

[Gustavo Galler]

We can't say mission given.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Mission accomplished. Who gave the mission? It looks like he's talking to Marais and Marais gave the mission, but maybe they're celebrating together that they accomplished the mission. They received.

[Gustavo Galler]

Patrick, one thing is they never. They never came out to explain this phrase. This is the thing. They never came. Oh, we were saying that. We were saying that. We are clarifying for everyone. They never said that.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

So we don't know.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

There's another justice from the Supreme Court that once said. And it was caught on camera saying elections are not one. The elections are taken. Yeah, and it's recorded. But if I put that wasn't here.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

That's the current Chief justice of Brazilian Supreme Court. The same guy that he went to a student union meeting.

[Host]

You really want to go to Brazil? It's obvious. Go ahead.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes. He went to a student union meeting, a political meeting, like rally. And he said, we defeated Bolsonarism. We? Like who's we? You're a Supreme Court Justice. You defeated Bolsonaro. How. How can you say that and nothing happens to you?

[Host]

Who could pull up the chief of staff guy?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

You're talking about Chief Justice Luis Bahozo. B A R O R R O S O.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

What happens is that the. The establishment lost the control of the opinion from the population. And now they are using their. Its last resource, which is the Supreme Court. So now they are using. They are running our country under a Supreme Court. There is majority. The majority of the justice were chosen by the left, by Workers Party, by Lula. And now they gave Boris all this power for him to be the front man and take Bolsonaro down and take the right wing and conservatives down from the. From politics. The problem is, and this is what I think everyone is realizing now. Morai's got so much power now he's drunk by it. And they are realized they created this monster that they can't control anymore. It's the.

[Host]

The.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He has broken the leash and now he's deciding to do whatever he wants. And since that. That started happening, even the legacy media that supported his actions are now going back and saying, wait, wait, wait. Now is this. I think we're having a Frankenstein event here. We created a monster. Now we can control him. Now he's going after us, he's going after everyone. That's what happens when you give too much power to someone. And now we are in the situation that Morais is seen not only in Brazil, but outside Brazil as a dictatorship. And I believe strongly that Brazil is no longer a democracy. We are living under dictatorship.

[Gustavo Galler]

And that's why now Lula, he put like two friends in the Supreme Court. One is a friend of him for like, I don't know, 20, 30 years long. It's called Flavio Gino. He's a friend of Lula. Yes, a communist. And the other one is Zanin, who was his personal lawyer. So Lula, he indicated the appointed. Appointed the. His personal lawyer to the Supreme Court and his best friend to the Supreme Court as well. So we see this as a balance for the power of Alexander has now.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

And all the drug dealers and cartel leaders and criminals are being freed. We are. We're seeing not only for the returning everything they seized helicopters, money.

[Host]

His former lawyers.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yes.

[Host]

See the Supreme Court justice.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Gustavo Galler]

He like he went to the guy.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Who censored us because of this guy who. He was his lawyer during the campaign.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes. He was the one asking Moraes to censor and more.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I accept the censoring us because of his. The demands.

[Host]

So can you go back to that other guy? Can you go back to Luis Roberto Barroso? Yeah. Okay. So. So, so Barroso right there. So if you look at the right there. School he went to bars of graduating Law University de Janeiro. Master's degree From Yale University. Ph.D. postdoctoral, Harvard Law School. So I am so curious who he went to school with in the States. In America, he's considered a liberal and progressive justice, providing landmark votes on the legalization of abortion and pregnancies originating from rape.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

He's the most ideological justice of the court.

[Host]

Yes. And criminalization of homophobia and transphobia in Brazil.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yes, yes. He says that if the Congress do not approve a bill talking about that. So from now one, everything that we consider, for example homophobic, it will receive the same punishment for racism.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

So I say we have a lack here in the. In the law and the Congress is not working, he says. But I say that the world the Congress do not want to approve that because no one is going to vote for abruption. And they know that they do not have the majority inside of the Congress. So that's why they are doing that through the Supreme Court. Just like what happened in Colombia. In Colombia, now you have legal abortion that came through the hands of the justice of the Supreme Court. But if I can add something very important about Luis Roberto Barroso. Before Leshenji Moraes, this was the president of the Superior Electoral Court. And when we were inside of the Congress trying to approve what we call the printed vote bill, which would bring more the possibility to recount the votes, more transparency in our electoral process, he went to the Congress and talked with 11 presidents of political parties and changed their minds. So we.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

You're being nice. According to a few members of Congress that I talked to, and I can say that they say they were threatened by him. They judged the Supreme Court judge. Yeah, they're. They're under the Supreme Court. So if they commit a crime, they're going to be tried in the Supreme Court. By the Supreme Court. Court. Okay. And several members of the Brazilian Congress have been charged for corruption. They have case spending on the Supreme Court. According to several reports that I received and credible reports, he threatened congressmen and leaders of political parties, saying, if you approve this bill that will create a print receipt for our electoral machines, you suffer the consequences in the court.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

And that happened many times with many other bills. Yes, this year that happened again.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

And he openly lobbied. That's a fact. But I have credible reports that he threatened members of Congress. So I don't have anything to back that, but I have the sources.

[Host]

Okay, so voting. Let's go back to what you said. What do they define as racism in Brazil?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Anything they don't like.

[Host]

Give me an example of somebody getting arrested for racism. Like somebody who got arrested for racism. What do they do?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

I don't recall any case, but it's the same as the US Left. For example, I was testifying Congress yesterday or the day before and I mentioned that George Soros was behind, as we saw what was happening in Brazil in a certain way. And then the ranking member of the committee, a Democrat, she said, well, that's anti Semitic of you. I was like, what?

[Host]

That's what what?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Anti Semitic.

[Host]

That's anti Semitic of you to go up against Soros?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes. Because.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yes, he actually said.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

She said that. It's on the recording.

[Host]

14 year old man helped a Nazi kill Jews. And later on was asked about it in an interview in 60 Minutes, I believe. And he's like, yeah, it didn't do anything to me. Emotionally, I'm okay. Didn't bother me, didn't hurt me.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

No, I never been called anti semitic. I meant actually more Zionists.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I have a case that I just remembered of racist. I can be arrested for racism.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Because during a podcast we were talking about dictatorship and I study a lot about education. I was saying that every time a country goes under a dictatorship.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Usually the IQ goes down after some generations because there's a collapse in education and you do not let access to information. So every dictatorship is associated somehow. 99.

[Host]

A very good point.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Going down with the IQ after some generations. And as I was talking with the, the guy, the host in the podcast, we were talking about countries that are dictatorships and had their KQ going down. I talk about Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea. And then he talked and then he said, well, or I said, actually 60 or 50, 56% of all dictatorships in the world are in Africa. So we were talking about dictatorships and how it Destroys the IQ of that population after some period of time are in Africa. Because I've said that. Because I've said that in Africa. And when with less iq, people are more. Are less able to run a democracy. See, I am charged by the Supreme Court now for racism. I can lose my office. Your seat. My seat. And I can go to prison. There was no mention about any race whatsoever during the conversation. But because I gave a statistic information, I can go to prison?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yeah, you're dead.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

My father was also accused of that.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Of racism.

[Host]

So your dad now is in Brazil. Will?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yes.

[Host]

Can he leave?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

No.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

No.

[Host]

Why can't he leave?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Because Alexandra Moraes took his passport and he took his.

[Host]

Is this because of the Jet Ski situation? Or is this because of the.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

It could be.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

It's so crazy.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

When I hear someone about this investigation. For your audience, please. First I ask imagine what will happen if my family. If someone from my family stole $1 from the tax Brazilian taxpayer, what would happen? As we are not corrupt as they are, they have investigation. They are doing investigation against my family for years. And they do not find nothing to accuse us. They go for that. So my father was riding a Jet Ski. This is on the coast of the Sao Paulo state. And he claimed video rap. He passed by a whale. I don't know, 15 meters, 10 meters from a whale.

[Host]

That's him?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

I think so. I think so. But this in Brazil is a crime that by the law you can go from two until five years in jail if you disturb the whale. But no one applies this. This crime because you have. You have a tourism, you know, private boats get the tourists on the beach and go there to the tourists to watch the whales. Then Bolsonaro was doing pretty much the same thing. He was watching a whale. And then he was charged. He was under investigation. And one very important thing that we have to highlight is who makes. Who made the denounce? It is the environmental minister of Lula da Silva. Her name is Marina Silva. And she tried first. The first. I think the first DA that took the case said, okay, we do not have a crime here. Then she appealed for a second DA and the second DA started investigation under Federal police. His order the Federal Police to start an investigation about this thing. So. So this was the crime and the.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Case was closed, right?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yeah, the case now is closed. But you have a lot of highlights.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Three years of like, two years of bullying him and narratives, character assassination. Now the case.

[Host]

Does he have a gag order on him right now? Gag order.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He can't speak.

[Host]

He can't speak.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He can't? No, he can't. He's allowed. He can go to. But he's afraid to.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

No, the country has a gag garden on it.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Oh, there was A poll now, 61% of the Brazilian population. This is yesterday, right, Paul?

[Host]

Right.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

There's a poll. 61 of the population are afraid to state their opinions online. 61% of the whole population, anything they believe. 47. That's two months ago. So probably now is more than 60, 47 believe they are living under a dictatorship of the judiciary.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah. For example, I. I can be in jail because I put like a wig in my head and I said that women are losing space for men that think that they are women.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

She actually did that.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah. And I can be in jail for that. Like, really, I can be in jail. So if a deputy that has immunity to speak can be in jail for that. What a common citizen.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

What can happen?

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, what can happen to them?

[Host]

Okay, so Argentina. I go to Argentina a few years ago. I was expecting to follow. I was disappointed. It wasn't that big of a deal for me. I've been all over the world. Everybody would say Argentina is the Paris of, you know, South Central America. You know, you're going to go, Argentina's this. Argentina's. I'm like, okay, cool. We go. They were like, okay, socialism. I kept talking to Everybody, you know, 40%, whatever the number was. 40% of people work to pay the other people's bills. It's really this. I'm. All this stuff. Taxes are this, inflation is this. They keep telling me all this. I'm like, okay, how does. How does a beautiful place like this go? Then we went to all the different spots. We went, went sailing. We did everything we wanted to kind of get the experience. Yeah, we went to the cemetery with. Who's the famous girl that Salma Hayek played? What's her name?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Evita.

[Host]

Evita Peron. Don't cry for me, Argentina. The truth is I never. She did a better job than me, obviously, but so I went, rob. Why are you laughing? Rob, I'm just telling a story here. So anyways, we leave then a year ago, year and a half ago, we're all watching this man that looks like an Argentinian Elvis Presley. Big sideburns, screaming, fighting, chainsaw, chainsaw. Kissing girls, doing all this stuff, right? You know, and he throws the thing, the paper. These guys are out. They're out. Everyone is. And a Libertarian candidate wins in Argentina and goes to World Economic Forum that Klaus Schwab brings Him up and for 20 minutes very slowly and calmly sells capitalism in front of their faces. Right. And that thing goes viral all over the world. Right. Javier Milei, how did he pull it off? And how do you compare this case study of the modern day Javier Milei type of a person, your father, anyone of you in, in, in Brazil, how was he able to pull it off in a socialistic country? That sounds like Brazil is going through right now.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I think one of the things is the environment was so miserable in Argentina. People were desperate trying to find a way out. That's, that happens every time socialism go into power in a country. They destroy the economy, they destroy the quality of life of the population. Then when whatever option appears and, and appears to be the, the, the possible, everybody jumps into that boat. So that happened with Javier Melee, that happened with Bolsonaro here. And that happens because of Internet.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

It might happen in California.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Because in Argent, well, I don't know.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

But if California keeps going that way, the way he's going, in 10 years they'll say, well enough with the Democrats.

[Host]

Right?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They're, they're ruining the, the.

[Host]

They're almost there.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yeah, yeah, they're almost there.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

But like how almost half of the people, they were poor in Argentina, the inflation was around 100.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Below the poverty line.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yeah, below the poverty line and the inflation was about 100%. So. And they did try all the flavors of left in the past. So Melee was rising up as someone that, oh, okay, this guy, he has a different speech and he is a professor, he studied economies, economy, and he really represent the outsider. So. So that's why he got, he got elected. And the one thing that make him got elected also is because the Argentinas, they use papers to vote. Their system to vote is not like we have in Brazil because Brazil is fully electronic and in Argentina they use paper ballots. So this is also something that, that, that made the difference. And by the way, he's doing a great job. Great job.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They didn't have Morais Argentina.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yeah, they don't have, they don't have a problem with the Supreme Court.

[Host]

So let's, let's look, look at that. So Argentina paper. And you think that was a favor for him that Argentina's ran on paper election, paper ballot?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Because in Brazil this is how you do it. You go to the election poll place, you just type the number in a machine. This machine sends the number to the computer of the superior electoral court and then you pray that your vote will be counted correctly by a court that was presided by Mariah an open enemy of this is like no exaggeration. There's no way to audit. And there were a ton of reports, including a report from the military, from the Ministry of Defense saying that the system, they couldn't attest that the system was safe and they couldn't do their job inspecting the machines. So I'm not saying the election was stolen, but I can't say it was not. And I don't trust. So 82%, that's an actual poll. 82% of Bolsonaro's voters don't trust the system in Brazil. I'm talking about 37% of Brazilians. And that there are millions of people.

[Gustavo Galler]

Patrick, when we say about the system of Brazil like to vote, we can't say about that like in the elections.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

My father cannot run because of that.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes, they can't. You shouldn't say what I just said.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yes, I would say say. But for example, my. My accounts, my social media, they were blocked after the. The presidential elections. And I think that it's because I shared a guy who was saying that was there was something wrong with our elections. And just because of that, my. All my accounts on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, they were blocked. And until now, I don't know why. I don't have a sex to the. I don't have access to the process. Process. My lawyer doesn't have access to the process. So that's the level of what we are facing, you know.

[Host]

So can you pull up the inflation chart you just showed Rob in Argentina? So you just had it a minute ago. Literally you had it a minute ago. Or if you go back. Yeah, right there. Yeah. So Argentina Inflation beats 200% in 2023. So what you're saying is things got so. So that's from 2018 to 2019. 20. 2020 21. It drops like today 35, 38% and goes up 2022 and then all the way up to 23 to 211 and then Melee wins. Okay, all right, no problem. So now go to inflation in Brazil. I'm curious to know what inflation looks at in Brazil right now.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

We did great during my father's mistake. It was the first time that Brazil we had the less inflation than the United States, for example.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

And interesting too, this is just two years.

[Host]

We need. We need more like I need. I need more than 2019. But okay, so under your father went all the way down to right there. We can kind of see go back to that. So 2020. So this is inflation broke 10 in.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

September is there one pandemic?

[Gustavo Galler]

I think there is a better one down there. It's a red one.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

It's important to know that the current sitting president of the Brazilian Central Bank.

[Gustavo Galler]

No, no, it's 95.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

The Brazilian Central bank, which our Fed is the president is still the guy that was appointed by Bolster now narrow. So they. They didn't have a chance to mess up with the monetary policy yet.

[Gustavo Galler]

That's a good one in 2016.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Gustavo Galler]

It was like Dilma Rousseff that got in in pitch in like. Can you see? It's like the same as level as we are facing now.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Gustavo Galler]

And in the middle, guess what Bolsonaro like 2.

[Host]

What years was he in?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

That's a mission.

[Gustavo Galler]

The years that is low.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

The Michelle Tamer from 2017 until 2020. And then.

[Gustavo Galler]

And then we got Covid stuff.

[Host]

Got it.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

And then Pandemic.

[Host]

Yeah, got it. Got a pandemic. It's everywhere that it went up. It's not like. Yeah, it's Brazil.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Only Brazil bounced back from the pandemic better than any other than any other country in the world. We actually had our. Our gpp gdp, gdp, GDP higher than China and.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

And for the first time in my life Brazil has had an actual lower inflation than the US in my life that never happened happened.

[Host]

So it's not. But go to 2024 inflation, Rob. Just go 2024 Brazil inflation.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

It's not out of control.

[Host]

That's what I want to know. So it's not that painful right now.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

In Brazil because just a year and a half that took office and. And the guy who is in the Central bank is the guy that Bolsonaro chose. We. He's going to change now in the middle of this year, I think June. Right. Because the President chooses the director of.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

The chairman of the Fed.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

That and stays two years in one office and two year the next office. So now he's going to be out.

[Gustavo Galler]

And I think that we are going higher inflation when changes the. The position of him.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

But if you want to. If you want numbers. For example, 40% of international investment has got out of Brazil. It's just getting out of Brazil. People are not seeing Brazil as a good place to invest anymore. So we. We have that now. Unemployment is going up after. After years. Since 2021 unemployment was going down with Bolsonaro. And now for three months in a row unemployment is going up. Now the inflation with food is twice than the normal standard. So the inflation is 5%. Food has been going up 10%. Rice has never been as expensive as it is now. Beans, oil, olive oil. So the people that are the poor people are actually suffering a lot. And there is a. How do you say. Home humble when the government spends more than they. They collect. Well, the deficit, we are having record deficits now. The last year was 200 increase the.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Public spending, public debt and more than a trillion highs. In less than a year.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

In less than a year. And now he's putting taxes on everything that's raising taxes. And he just passed a bill that Brazil from this after this moment is the higher tax payment tax pay taxes in the world which is 28.

[Gustavo Galler]

So for example, he doesn't have any responsibility with financial of the country. For example, he spends like 3.3 billion Rios. I think it's like I don't know how much this in in dollars. But only with expanding for his travels. Like he spends money when the countries like need monies for a lot of things.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Oh, he bought new furniture for his palace and new. New rug.

[Gustavo Galler]

His wife for his wife.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He's a standard socialist, right? All the riches for him and misery for the rest.

[Host]

Rob, do me a favor. Go, go pull up the richest billionaires in Brazil. Go to richest billionaires in Brazil. Richest billionaires in Brazil on Wikipedia. You'll see the list if you just pull out whatever list you got. Right. Well, you need more than three. I want, I want to know who the richest.

[Gustavo Galler]

But the second one is important one.

[Host]

Zoom in a little bit. Rob, if these are the names. Okay.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

So Everin is from Meta. The guy from Facebook that used to.

[Host]

Be a co founder but it's people that live in Brazil. Brazilians. I want to know richest billionaires in Brazil. Billionaires who live in Brazil. That's. I want to know who they are. If you can pull them up. Up. Okay, so I got, I got.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yeah, that's the first one is our George Soros.

[Host]

Yeah. Okay, zoom in. So George Paulo Lehman. Who is he?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Our George Soros.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He has a foundation.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

He.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He's buying the whole educational system in Brazil. He interferes directly with all the Ministry of Education and he funds big part of the leftists NGOs.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

He has support all the NGOs in Brazil from the left. Left very progressive. He supported and financed education in Harvard. I believe of congresswoman in Brazil. He's our people call him Brazilian Soros.

[Host]

Who is number three? Marcel Rob, if you can go to number three. Who is Marcel Herman Telles. Who is this?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

His business partner.

[Host]

His business partner. So they're on the same page? Yes, we Know who Eduardo is? He's Facebook. Who is Jorge? Say Molafino or Fijo.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Oh, he's the owner of Hospital. Hospital.

[Host]

Is he respected?

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, he's all right.

[Host]

He's good. Okay, go to the next one. Next one is Carlos Alberto C. Cupida.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Also.

[Host]

Also part of the same thing. Anheuser Busch.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, the same.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Also partner.

[Host]

So Safra Siblings, Safra Group. Is that more here Bank. That's a bank. Who are they? Anything or. They're low key billionaires. Nobody knows.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Nobody. Okay.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Jewish community.

[Host]

Jewish community. Okay.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They're all right. How about Alex Baron, that partner of the same two guys are bush. Yeah, it's 3G capital. They own a hazard Bush and several other companies.

[Gustavo Galler]

That one now it's Louisa Elena Trajano. Like under the.

[Host]

One more down, One more down.

[Gustavo Galler]

One more. Yeah, that's like the biggest supporter.

[Host]

She is.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yes, she is.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

And now she's about to go bankrupt. Yes, exactly why she helped elect him. And now after he was elected, her shares went down like 90 or 80%.

[Host]

But here's where I'm going with this. Why I'm showing you this. The reason why I'm asking you this question is sometimes when you're running into wanting to run for office, become a president, right. Even Biden. I'm going to tax the billionaires. He can't.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

You can't.

[Host]

You know why he can't? Because they're giving him the money. So if they're funding him, like if you remember that one thing, Rob, if you can pull up the clip with Trump and Hillary Clinton where he says Trump avoided paying this much taxes. I don't know if you know which one I'm talking about. Trump. You're gonna have a hard time finding it on YouTube. But I'm sorry, on. If you, if you go to, if you go to moment debate.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yeah.

[Host]

You'll have an easier time finding it. Hillary Trump. Hillary Trump, taxes debate. Okay. If you. Is that the one? That's the one, yeah. So there's a moment in the debate which I don't know if you guys have seen or not. There's a moment in the debate in U.S. yeah. Where Hillary Clinton and Trump, they're going back and forth and she asked him, just verify, Rob, real quick if that's the one. If you can fast forward and see if this is when he's saying he didn't pay taxes. He didn't do this, he didn't do that. That. And then Trump comes back up and says that's because. Keep going to see if this is the one.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, I think it's the one that shows that they have more views.

[Host]

Rob, go to see if that's when he responds.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

That's the one that's Dave Chappelle used on his.

[Host]

No, that's not the one. So there's one. Oh, here it is. It's the one that's 152,000 views. Does this have 152,000 views? Go to the one that's 152,000 views. Rob, that makes me smart. Okay, that's where you're at. How many minutes is this?

[Gustavo Galler]

One minute.

[Host]

Okay, go ahead and play it.

[H]

I will release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted. As soon as she releases them, I will release. I will release my tax returns.

[Metro Announcer]

So you've got to ask yourself, why won't he release his tax returns? And I think there may be a couple of reasons. First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. Second, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be. Third, we don't know all of his business dealings, but we have been told through investigative reporting that he owes about $650 million to Wall street and foreign bank banks. Or maybe he doesn't want the American people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license. And they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. So that makes me smart. Zero. That means zero for troops. Zero.

[Host]

This is not the one. That's why I said go to the 150 2001. It's a top, right, right? That's the one, yeah. So in this scene, what happens is he's saying, she's saying that, hey, you didn't do this, you didn't do that, you didn't do this. And then he turns around and says the following. Go ahead, Rob.

[H]

Of course I do. Of course I do. And so do all of her donors.

[Host]

Did you use that $916 million loss to avoid paying personal federal income taxes?

[H]

Of course I do. Of course I do. And so do all of her donors, or most of her donors. I know many of her donors. Her donors took massive tax write offs.

[Host]

So have you.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

A lot of my federal income tax.

[H]

A lot of my write off was depreciation and other things that Hillary as a senator allowed and she'll always allow it because the people that give her all this money, they want it. That's why. See, I understand the tax code better than anybody that's ever run for president, Hillary Clinton, and it's extremely complex. Hillary Clinton has friends that want all of these provisions, including they want the carried interest provision, which is very important to Wall street people, but they really want the carried interest provision, which I believe Hillary's leaving. It's very interesting why she's leaving carried interest. But I will tell you that, number one, I pay tremendous numbers of taxes. I absolutely used it. And so did Warren Buffett and so did George Soros and so did many of the other people that Hillary is getting money from. Now, I won't mention their names because they're rich, but they're not famous. So we won't make them famous.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Can you say how many years you have avoided paying personal federal income taxes?

[H]

No, but I pay tax. And I pay federal tax too. But I have a write off. A lot of it's depreciation, which is a wonderful charge. I love depreciation. You know, she's given it to us. Hey, if she had a problem for 30 years, she's been doing this. Anderson, I say it all the time. She talks about health care. Why didn't you do something about it? She talks about taxes. Why didn't she do something about it?

[Host]

Great question.

[H]

She doesn't do anything about anything other than talk with her. It's all talk.

[Host]

So watch this. The reason why I'm showing this clip to you is because out of all those billionaires that have the money, if you continuously go the way you're going like this, especially Brazil generally, it's been a country that we feel safe going. This is a new thing that this is going on with Brazil. Nobody was expecting something like this to happen in Brazil. Brazil, aren't the billionaires, out of all those billionaires, how many of them are against Lula and Moraes, that they're saying something, that this is going to affect the economy? They're not going to allow this to continue? Who is voicing their opinions of the billionaires?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Who is voicing the opinion of the billionaire?

[Host]

Who's saying things? Which one of the billionaires are saying, hey, you know, we may need to go a different direction? Any one of these guys vocal?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

There's an investment group called Faria Ltd. Yeah, yeah. And they are the one that are being more vocalized. They helped elect Lula. They favored Doula, but now they understood that they made a mess they made a mistake. They are. Or they are pretending that they are being deceived. But what they're saying is what. This is not what we had agreed. This is not going what we agreed upon the deal. And things are starting to look bad. But that's the only thing that I can think of.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Actually. It's very interesting because today there's the study of the Sao Paulo a. A big newspaper in Brazil. And they represent most of the establishment of Sao Paulo. The. The rich people. And it's more centered.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yes.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

In Sao Paulo. Okay. So there's a big article called Aficia Caillou. I don't know how to translate this, but they. It means they finally got it.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

People's realizing.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes, that means the. The. The coin fell inside the machine.

[Host]

Yep.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

That's what the machinist and what it's talking about is one of the most important asset managers in Brazil. If you can pull up Fundu Verdi assets. Verdi means Green Asset Management. He's one of the most important guys in the country. His name is Stoberg and not Verj? Verde with D as in dell. R, D, E. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And these. These guys. Guys are huge. They're like our. Almost like our BlackRock in a sense. And the guy is saying that he. He's finally saying that he regret supporting Lula.

[Host]

Who's saying it? Who's the guy?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Stolberg. That's one of the most important guys.

[Host]

What's happened to. Since he's been vocal. Luis.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Luis Stoberg.

[Host]

Stober. How do you spell that?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

S, T, U.

[Host]

It's tough. You're gonna have a hard time with that. I found it. I'll send it to it. Rob, I'll text it to you on.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

On.

[Host]

Who it is is extremely complicated spelling. But I'm sending it to you right now. Okay, so. Okay. So he says that he made a big mistake, regrets it.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes. And there's this editorial piece on. On Estado saying that the newspaper saying that the fish, meaning the. The. The money people realized that they made a bad choice with Lula.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

I think they thought that they could control Lula. But Lula is doing everything that they did in the past. The difference is we don't have that much amount of cash or possibilities to increase the credit for the people. Because when Lula was president, in the beginnings of the front to 2002 until 2010, we were having the China was buying everything, minerals, all the soft commodities we produce. So Lula was lucky at that time. But now, after the pandemic he doesn't have that margin to work again with a sustain and all of that. So what basically he's doing, he's spending the money as crazy. Because left wing people, they do believe that the. The administration, the government is their responsibility to generate jobs, not the private sector sector. So they are increasing the taxes, getting the money, spending more money than what they are getting. Humble. Yeah.

[Host]

Let me ask you, who's the second most powerful person in Brazil behind the conservative movement? Second most powerful. Your father's the most powerful. Who's the second most powerful?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Hard to say.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

It's very centralized in Boston. I don't know you.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Then you have the second letter. Let me say you have some government states.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Eduardo, could. I would say. Well, there's Nicholas.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

The governor of Sao Paulo is. Is very powerful, but it's nothing conservative. When he was supported by Bolsonaro. He's in Bolsonaro's party, but he's not super conservative.

[Host]

Who's the most famous famous person that's not happy with what's going on in Brazil? Famous person, celebrity that's not happy with.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

What'S going on in Brazil.

[Host]

Celebrity athlete. I'm talking actress, actor. Like what's Lima?

[Gustavo Galler]

Lima is a famous singer. He doesn't support Lula Neymar. Neymar like neymar in the 2022 elections. Like he supported Bolsonaro and he got a lot of hate because of that. But he was very encouraged about it.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

He had a lot of courage. But Neymar, he has balls.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, he do have. I. I was with him like when he was in PSG and I talked to him about Bolsonaro and he says he's very grateful because Bolsonaro supported him when he was accused for unfairly Accused.

[Host]

Unfairly accused for women and stuff like that.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yes, exactly. And Bolsonaro posted on. On the social media supporting him and he was very grateful for Bolsonaro.

[Host]

So how's your father doing right now? How are things with him?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

I mean, he's in the hospital, but he's recovering. Very, very good. Because after the stab that he received during the 2018 campaign by it was. He was stabbed by a former member of the Socialism and Liberty Party, which is extremely left in Brazil.

[Host]

He was that four times, I think. Right. Or what was. He got stabbed a few times?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

No, no, he got a stab only. Only once. But the guy twisted the knife. The knife got into his belly 15 centimeters and he literally almost died like for one or two minutes more. If they delay to go to the hospital, he would be Dead out of bed. Blood because he died twice because the heart was starting to be out of blood. He lost more than two liters of blood on the way to the hospital. And it was a miracle. It was a miracle. There is no other answer for that.

[Host]

How is he doing now?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

So now he had a problem in the intestine that time after time he can face that he can have this problem. Obstruction. And then he had to go to the hospital and receive a special feeding by the nose. And he's responding very good with this treatment. So I expect that tomorrow, maybe after tomorrow he can go back home and he's running all the country. If you have the possibility to show some of the images of the crowd, for example, in Sao Paulo at the Paulista Avenue Rayleigh, or in the Copacabana beach rally that we had.

[Gustavo Galler]

But like 25th February is going to be better, right?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yeah, yeah. 25th February, 25th February.

[Gustavo Galler]

It's the most recent protest that we made. Because this is this, this is a long time.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Let me see. No, no, this is not maybe right.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

There was Copacabana last month.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yeah. Show that first.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

This is where Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro. On the beach. More than a hundred. More than a hundred thousand.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

But this is what. This was the beginning. This was the beginning. There was no one on the truck. No one on the truck.

[Host]

Truck.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

That was before Trump Bolsonaro went up.

[Gustavo Galler]

If you search the 25th of January, Bolsonaro, it's going to be a.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Was it January, not February.

[Gustavo Galler]

February, sorry.

[Host]

February. February 25th. February.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yeah, February 25th.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Or if you follow me on social media, Bolsonaro sp.

[Host]

Do it. Yeah, Bolsonaro sp. So you posted the video?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

No, that. That's.

[Gustavo Galler]

Oh, yeah, that's it.

[Host]

That's it.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

That's 1 million people on Avenida Police.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

February.

[Host]

February. Two months ago.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Two months ago.

[Gustavo Galler]

Ago. And I remember Bolsonaro is more popular than Lula. Far.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Million people going to the streets to support a guy who is ineligible but cannot run for elections, has passport suspended. Who can go to.

[Host]

This is. This is February 25th.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yes, yes.

[Host]

Hit the volume, Rob. Oh, my God. What street is this?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

And they hit the police. It's a main street of.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

And I have to add that people.

[Host]

There they are you everybody kidding me?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

They are going before.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

It's still blocks of people like that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Before. Before they go to the streets. The left wing in the Congress, they start to fret people.

[Gustavo Galler]

Oh, yeah.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Hey, you right wing. If you're going back to the street to support Bolsonaro. We are going to be in jail, just like the people that went to the January 8th in 2023, as they are in jail now. So it was a big threat. People is under censorship and still they did go there. It shows that people still mobilized it.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah, I'm proud of these people.

[Gustavo Galler]

Like, like for example, Sonaro is more popular than our current president. Lula, it's the first.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

You are more popular than our current president.

[Gustavo Galler]

Seriously, Lola, it's the first time that Bolsonaro always say that. It's the first time that Brazil has a president without people.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah.

[Gustavo Galler]

Like a team can win a championship without cheerleaders, routers. Routers. But it's the first time that we have a president without people on the streets.

[Host]

You're nine. You. You're born in 96.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, I'm 25, 27 years old.

[Host]

You're 27 years old with 18 million followers.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Now this guy is a.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He's a political phenomenon that is bigger than when you.

[Host]

When you add all of them together.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah.

[Gustavo Galler]

When you add tik tok. Instagram, YouTube is more than 21 million.

[Host]

21 million followers at 27 years old.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah. Only talking about politics.

[Host]

Let me ask you, what are your long term aspirations? Do you have any plans of one day running? Like, I'm sure everybody talks about one day running.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, I know everybody talks about that. But I think that I have a mission right now in the Congress and I think that we need to put our feet in the ground and see that there is a long path to. To run and to work. I. I know that I'm very young. I know there's a lot of responsibilities. And one day J. Bolsonaro said to us in a. In a private reunion, he said, oh, so do you want to be like a president? You're gonna, like. It's bad. Bad thing. You're gonna.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

You're gonna get hard life. Hard life.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah. Yes.

[Host]

This is the same language.

[Gustavo Galler]

It's a universal language. So you gotta, you know, and it was like, no, no. Bossad always talked to me like that. So stay, stay humble, be calm. Because everything has the time.

[Host]

Take your time on your phone. You got a kid?

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, I do have a kid. It's like two months.

[Host]

Daughter. Congratulations.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, she has two months. I want to have like seven kids.

[Host]

Good. I. I love it. I. I would have 20 if I. If I.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

And he's unbelievable. Patrick. He's unbelievable. He's very. I can tell he's a very. Because I know him and I met him before he was in Congress. He's a very good person with good moral values, very Christian. And, and he follows what he believes truly, which is very rare with politicians at that age. So he's one of a kind. He's definitely one of a kind.

[Host]

It's very hard to handle fame, sudden fame at a young age. Most people don't know how to handle it. Very hard to handle it. Sudden fame. And you need the right people. More importantly, you need to be raised on the right values and principles. I'm sure your parents did a great job with you, the environment you were in. I don't know the story of your parents, parents, but that doesn't happen accidentally. That's years of Right.

[Gustavo Galler]

But Patrick, I think one thing that helped me is because I came from like a favela, a poor neighborhood. Yeah. In Brazil. It's called Cabana. Cabana Dupai Thomas it's the name of it. And yeah, my father and my, my mom, they came from a very poor family. And I still there, my church is still there. I go to the church, I play drums. They there. So I, yeah, I keep, I keep my, my, my life as the way I live it. Before I think play soccer. Yeah, I play soccer there and I, I really do play soccer.

[Host]

Who's your favorite soccer of all time? That's a 27 year old old time.

[Gustavo Galler]

Okay. All time.

[Host]

Neymar, Pele, Messi. Who's gonna go?

[Gustavo Galler]

Okay, Neymar, I love you. But, but I think that the great office of all time that came to the, to the top, I think is Ronaldinho. Really?

[Host]

Oh, you put Ronaldinho.

[Gustavo Galler]

Really? Ronald.

[Host]

Ronaldinho. The footwork. Ronaldinho, the fun.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah. The play in Barcelona. I think that he has the most beautiful football. He came to the top, but I think that for example, so likable. Yeah, yeah.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

So handsome.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah.

[Host]

He, he. When. Whenever you see his relationship with Messi, it's beautiful when you see the relationship with him. And I played the role of an older brother. When he comes, he hugs them, you know.

[Gustavo Galler]

And, and like Ronaldin was in jail when he played a champ championship there, you know, like everyone likes him when.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

He was in prison. Yeah.

[Host]

Why would he go to jail? What was the reason?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Passport in Paraguay.

[Gustavo Galler]

But I think it's always his fault someone did. But yeah, I heard he liked to.

[Host]

Have a lot of fun as well. I, I heard he's a pretty fun guy as well, you know? Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

[Gustavo Galler]

But anyway, that, that, that's it. I think that's the. I, I can say that is the is the secret. I think you need to see the reality. Like always. My dream was to have a family. Family. So I do have now, like my wife, I love so much my wife. Because I can't talk about my baby and not talk about my wife. Right.

[Host]

Very wise man.

[Gustavo Galler]

And one thing for sure, in my university, I, I studied five years of law. I'm graduating in law in this five years. Like a conservative young boy or girl who studies in university in Brazil. It's so hostile that you can say that you are against abortion, you can say that you are against transgender in sports. Sports. You only you can say that.

[Host]

When you go in the streets. How do people treat you in the streets when you go shopping?

[Gustavo Galler]

No, they treat very well.

[Host]

They're respectful.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, they're good to you.

[Host]

You don't get a lot of hate.

[Gustavo Galler]

No, I don't. Because I think that all the leftists are, they are very cowards. Look.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah, brave in the Internet.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, they shout a lot, but they are very coward.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

And this is something interesting. This happens to Eduardo as well. Whenever I'm with him and we walk in the, Anywhere we go, people just want to take pictures. And they go to him and say, say, please don't give up. You are our home. I'm praying for you.

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[Nicholas Ferreira]

When I go out, the same thing in my city, it's the same things. That's why we don't give up. Because even though there are a lot of. There might be a lot of hate from the legacy media and some bubbles of idiocracy, the idiots. When we go to district to the real world, what we see is just love and support and people wanting us to keep fighting, to keep defending them.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

And this is something that we have to highlight because sometimes people imagine that, oh, for every picture that we take, I hate, I hate her come and talk bad things to us. And no, no, I can tell you like every 5,000 pictures or 10,000 pictures that we take, one guy cross to you and when he's a bit far away, he starts to say, oh, fascist, fascist, homophobic.

[Host]

So that's what they say. So going back to you, so all of you guys here, what's. What do you think's going to happen now with your pops? Right? Because your, your father is loved, he's admired and he's hated by the opposition. Right? Right. What's next for him? The strategy they're taking with your father, there's a difference between him and your dad. And Trump here, Trump, they're giving him a gag order where he can't speak, right. Every time he speaks, they're fining him $1,000. $1,000, $1,000. And even yesterday, Rob, Mayor Adams said what he said that we are very ready in New York, that if he goes to jail, we're ready for him. If he goes to jail, they're ready to put this man in jail, which I think if they put him in jail, killed, it's going to be terrible for them. It's going to be great for Trump. It's going to be horrible for them. Every time they do something to him, he wins. But Trump's got a few billion dollars. Trump's got money. Trump's got, you know, some of the stuff that's going on with him. Your dad doesn't have, you know, money to be able to go out there and do it. So how is he able to get his message out there? Their goal is to silence your father. How do you fight against that?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

That is a very good question. I mean, there are some issues that you cannot talk. In Brazil, for example, the electoral process, you cannot talk about that. That. But still, he's going all the way around, all over the country, raising up his flags, our conservative flags now. God, patriot, family and freedom. And we have a strategy to overturn inside of the electoral court next year, because Electoral Court, the superior electoral court in Brazil, is formed by seven judges. Three of these judges, they come from the Supreme Court. So next year, here, these three judges from the justices from the Supreme Court that will be part of the electoral court. Two were the guys that were appointed by my father, which does not mean that they are going to do everything in favor of my father.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

It means that actually they have been supporting the. The rice, a lot of stuff.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

But anyway, what I want to say is we will have next year a way more balance balanced Electoral court than the Electoral Court. The current electoral court that we have have chaired by Alexandri Moraes. So maybe on the next year, we can overturn the ineligibility that my father is having now.

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[Host]

The eligibility that our father has now.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yeah. And if we can overturn that my father can run on 2026.

[Host]

Well, you're saying we as Congress.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Supporters. It's very. I'm not. I'm not going to lie to you.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

This is a very unlikely.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yeah, very unlike.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I mean, but we have unlikely because.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Establishment do not like.

[Host]

So what's your strategy? What's your strategy?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Doesn't run. He can run and he's even better.

[Host]

Really? So if he doesn't run, you can run?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

He can.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Thank you, Paulo.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, I think you're better. It's like I like your father is I like him personally. But you were better than him and worse for the left. I'm sorry, I have to say I'm very blunt.

[Host]

So this is. By the way, Elon Musk just tweeted this a couple hours ago. Given the terrible flooding in Rio, starlink will donate thousand terminals to emergency responders and make usage of all terminals in the region free until the region has recovered. I hope the best for people of Brazil. I think this is in response to video that was posted by. Is that who I think it is? She posts a video saying. Saying what?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

She's from there.

[I]

My home state in Rio Grande do Su. Southern Brazil has had the worst tragedy in its history.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

That's so sad.

[I]

Heavy rains flooded entire towns.

[Host]

Wow.

[I]

In most part of the state is not one or two cities. Is more than 350 cities affected. People are not only losing their houses, their jobs, they're losing everything. And there are many still to be rescued. Nobody was ready for such devastation. Towns are isolated. Roads and bridges were destroyed. People have no electricity, no clean water to drink.

[Host]

This is going on right now.

[I]

Many have been separated from their loved ones. And the sad is, is that many lives were lost. It's painful. It's heartbreaking. So please join me in trying to help make donations and help in any way that you can. Thank you so much.

[Host]

Okay, you can pause that. So let me ask you.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

She's such a good person.

[Host]

Giselle. I love the fact that Elon is Going out of his way to send a thousand terminals to them. So if the people in Brazil don't have access to Internet, and if they do, the Internet can block whatever sites that they're not allowed to go into Brazil, they can block X, they can block certain websites. Right. How important is what he's doing right now for the people that maybe don't have access to vpn? How important is this?

[Gustavo Galler]

Look, I'm asking, I'm in a conversation with a lot of people that are helping Rio Grande du Suur right now. And the Internet is so important because you can communicate, you can say where to put water, where to rescue people.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

You can be rescued.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, you can rescue people. So Starlink actually it's an interesting point. The Socialists and Liberty parties in Brazil, they tried to banish Starlink from Brazil. Like one month ago after Elon Musk started to say about free speech in Brazil, this party, Socialist Party said that Starlink should be vanished from Brazil because he was like helping the right wing conservatives in Brazil.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

They're crazy.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They have this concern that they can't block Star Starlink as they have been blocking everything else. So they don't want Starlink to become popular in Brazil because satellite there's nothing they can do. But in this case it's a problem because everybody's talking about what's happening in the south of the country. And Elon Musk decided to help. And this is very helpful.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah. And before of him posted it that he was giving like 1000 Starlink unities, there was an institute called Instituto Cultural Flores in. In Rio Grande du Sue. Yeah. That bought. No, that he. They bought like twin. I don't know was 25 or 50 of these store links that they were already helping people with the Internet. So before Elon Musk give this people were receiving helping from the Starlink Internet. So and they, they save like a lot of people risking giving food, giving.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Water because these people will with no infrastructure for a long time.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yep.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

So this will be the only way that they will be able to connect basic infrastructure, service and governmental agencies and all that. This is going to take a long time to fix. This is like Katrina in the U.S.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Something interesting about this disaster that's happening in Brazil which it kind of like connects to the. The censorship that's happening there, the total incompetence of the government to react. So it took four days for the government to start reacting. Uruguay wanted to help with some ships and boats and air helicopters and our government rejected. And then there was a minister saying that they was gonna. They were not gonna send any money yet because the mayors were not sending their demands, which is a lie. And then people started organizing by themselves to send supplies, clean water, toilet paper, everything there by trucks. And the government, the federal government, government was stopping this government, these trucks and giving them fines because they didn't have receipt or it was overweight. The institution responsible for medicine were not. Was not letting the medicine get there. So what happened is that we started denouncing that we started posting on our social media that the government was not only not helping, but it was blocking the help. Blocking help to get there. Right? So what did the government did again? They sued us. We are now all under investigation because we are posting what the people from there are saying. The biggest mainstream media, our cnn, as you can say, this global news posted it was a lie that the trucks were being stopped by checkpoints and being fined. Right. And that the Secretary of communications from the government said it was a line, it would put the Fed, the safety, Supreme Court to investigate Bolsonar, to investigate me, Nicholas, everybody. But then another network which, the second biggest sbt, posted the video of the trucks being fined. And the antt, the Agency of National Transportation, stopping trucks with. Full of rice and. And mattresses and medicine, finding them and finding them because they didn't have a receipt or because they were overweight. So now we are being. We are being persecuted. We are being.

[Gustavo Galler]

No, no.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Some of us are being put under investigation by the Supreme Court for saying the truth. Even when the truth is being unveiled, even when the globe has been exposed as saying a lie, we're still under investigation. So going back to the beginning of our conversation, Brazil is not on democracy anymore. We don't have free speech. And if you see anything that shows how incompetent the government is, you can go to prison.

[Host]

Who is the neighboring country that you have a good relationship with, with that can help you? That's against what's going on today.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Argentina now.

[Host]

Argentina now because of melee, which makes sense. I'm assuming Maduro, you know, Venezuela. How about one one? What was the other? Guido or one one Petro?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Colombia.

[Host]

No, Colombia. The guy.

[Gustavo Galler]

N. No, the guy that was running against Nicolas is Guado.

[Host]

Gu joined Maduro's camp though, right? So he's gone. There's nothing really going on there.

[Gustavo Galler]

I don't know.

[Host]

Okay, got it. And then what was the other one you said? You said one other name.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Uruguay.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Uruguay.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Uruguay.

[Host]

Who is that?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

It's a small country in the south of Brazil.

[Host]

I know Uruguay, but who Is the. Are they four? Like, are they. Their way of thinking is what it's not.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

It's extreme left, right.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Uruguay, Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Ecuador.

[Host]

From Uruguay, right. Luis Suarez.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yes, Luis Suarez is.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Center, right. I can say he sent a right. Right.

[Host]

Okay, got it. Yeah. I'm just trying to think right now. Like who? You know, sometimes neighbors who don't want to see what's going on in a country will contribute and try to help to the best of their abilities. What's Milei doing? Is Milei at all talking about Brazil or not at all?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yes, he. Even through his chancellor, Diana Mongino. He tweeted. She tweeted offering asylum for the ex employees that were in Brazil because Elon Musk was even answering Nicolas Feliz saying that when all the X employees, when they were in a safe place, Elon Musk would release more information about this. What is going on in this relation with Alexandri? So this is one point the. He's in favor of the free speech and he's helping doing that. And now during the flutes. Flutes that we have in the. In the south of Brazil, he also offered some structures, helicopters, if I'm not wrong, some boat votes. And I'm not sure if the federal government, if Lula da Silva accept. Do. Did accept that. I'm not sure. But Uruguay was also offering some help.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I'm just checking here. Yes, Argentina offered help.

[Gustavo Galler]

It's in the screen over there.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I said gazeta, which one?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

No, it's not there.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Argentina offers help to Brazil. But I say here only photos.

[Host]

Sorry, Argentina office. Help to Brazil. Brazil.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

So in favor of free speech, Melee.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Is doing airplane helicopters, boats and all that.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah.

[Host]

How does Lula feel about.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He refused this. He refused. He denied help from Uruguay. Something another scandal. So Uruguay wanted to help. Lula said, no, you're not going to help. We don't want anything. People are dying. You saw the situation. Now it is.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

You have people sleeping on the roof. People is sleeping.

[Host]

Why would he say, no, we don't want you help?

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, that's it. And then after he said that it was fake news, but the same editorial, the same news said that it's fake news. That he is saying that is fake news.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

One of our congressman, myself and Hatting. It's crazy. One of our Congressman Versailles, Marcel Von Hat actually went and talked to Uruguay ambassador, Ambassador asking what happened. Did you guys actually offer some help in the ambassador? Yes, we did. Lula denied. Lula said no.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Because look, fake news is an actual problem. There are a lot of People spreading false information all over the Internet. We had problems with that in the US and there's problems with that in Brazil as well. But in real life, there's no solutions, only trade offs, like Tomaso used to say. Right. So the problem is who defines what are the fake news? Who decides that? And the moment that Brazil started to have a justice, punishing everyone that was spreading misinformation or whatever, now the federal government in Brazil is saying, well, we think this is misinformation as well. So they're deciding that any speech that they dislike, it's called misinformation. So yes, fake news is a problem, but you don't fix it with censorship. And the Western world realized that it took a long time for people to realize that the only antidote against fake news is more real news and more free market of ideas and public debate. So right now, what they're feeling and what's happening, the strategy in Brazil is the government is simply stopping any criticism against them saying it's fake, for example.

[Gustavo Galler]

So it's the Ministry of Truth that's really important. In 2022 elections, the Supreme Electoral Court denied to put in Internet, wherever, whatever, associating Lula to Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua. Like they prohibit this, the dictator, anyone that posted this on Internet, they got a fine or their accounts were blocked. Okay, another thing that we, we couldn't say that there was a relationship with criminal organizations in Lula, even though there was a. That recorded the, the recording audio that we, we said here before. So now Lula received Maduro in Brazil. Now Lula, it's for like reestablish full relationship. Yeah, he has a full relationship not only with Venezuela, but Nicaragua also. So the important question is who from the left in Brazil is being sued or fined because of fake news? Anyone?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

No one.

[Gustavo Galler]

Any congressman, any congresswoman. You don't have journalists from the left. They are being fined because of fake news. Only conservatives.

[Host]

That's like the problem with this is this. So your House Congress mp, how many is left, how many is right? What's the split?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

130 left, 130 right. And the rest in the middle.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Physiological.

[Gustavo Galler]

Almost 100 is right and the other 400 is center divided with center and left wing.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

But the left has a run 100 as well.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Mostly hard left, hard left.

[Gustavo Galler]

The center in Brazil, they, they decide.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

They run the show. But they, but they have price tag. Yeah, really, they have price tag.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

But the center in Brazil means corruption.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

We don't buy the left, buys the center. So the center votes with them.

[Gustavo Galler]

So the problem is nobody's a great thing. Okay. Because back in the 90s and there was two. 2002, there was two. His dad and another one. And as for example.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes.

[Gustavo Galler]

Now, I know that's not the ideal world, but it's more than we have ahead.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

And these guys are great. I mean, really, I've known a lot of politicians in the US and in Brazil, and you have here three of our best guys. Guy is a very, very good person as well. I met him when he was a podcaster. Okay. That's his background. He has an English school, but he was a podcaster as well. Nicholas already said too many things about you, but you deserve them. And Eduardo Bolsonaro, he's one of the most humble downsworth person that I've ever met. Although he's the son of a president.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

So. And it's consensual if you. In Congress, you know, a lot of. A lot of disputes and political disputes in Congress. Same as here. You see on the right, people have their own vanities and they disagree with each other. Everybody likes Eduardo.

[Host]

Left, right, center. They like them.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Right.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

No, left.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, who does the left like like? But even the center likes it.

[Gustavo Galler]

It's not important only who supports you, but who doesn't support you.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

My point being, we have the best congress we ever had in British Brazil for conservatives.

[Gustavo Galler]

Until it's not the ideal. We can't do much because we know that there's a lot of centralized power, but we can, like, we can not. Not too much, but we can speak. We can open the eyes of the people.

[Host]

Expose.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah. 25th February, we became a danger.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

We became a danger to the really exposed.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, they're here doing that.

[Host]

Brazil.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah. We can expose at risk, but we can.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I know we. We all know we are at certain.

[Host]

Worst that they can do to you.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Just arrest Daniel Silver, the congressman, nine years in prison for recording a video harshly criticizing Moraes. He's. He's serving now in general population in Rio.

[Host]

Look, what's the worst thing he said in that video?

[Gustavo Galler]

I really don't know. But look, it was a hard speech, okay? A really hard speech.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Bad words.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yeah, bad words.

[Gustavo Galler]

People like, disagree with. With him. Even from the right. I think everyone agrees, but it doesn't mean anything because you can get arrested in the worst jail. One of the worst jails in Brazil, okay? One like of the most criminal drug dealers from Rio, okay? The bad. The worst prison that I was in my life was Bangu. That is the place that he is right? Now and he is in. In jail because of opinion. Yeah, in prison.

[Host]

This guy?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yes.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, this guy. Yeah.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He was a police officer as well before becoming a congressman.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yeah. You're sending a police officer to a prison in Rio with drug dealers. How thing. How good that can be?

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

It's not that. It's not the end because when he went to jail, my father, he was the president at that time. And my father gave to this guy the presidential pardon. So when my father, when he did not get re elect the Supreme Court get a case and, and they, they. They cancelled for the first time in the history of Brazil, the presidential pardon and sent back again Daniel Silver to the president prison. He was in the prison waiting for judgment. All right, so he was released and then he was convicted for almost nine years in prison.

[Gustavo Galler]

And Eduardo, you know the former prosecutor.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Of Lula, the guy that comes.

[Host]

His former lawyer?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

No, the prosecutor of Lula.

[Host]

Okay.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

The guy that was car wash chief.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

The prosecutor of the car wash chief prosecutor.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes, the guy who sent Lulu to prison.

[Host]

Right.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

He left the. The. The Department of Justice and he ran for Congress. He was the most voted congressman in. In his states. Parana. He lost his seat by order of Morris, but by what? By Morais Order of Morais. Courts of the Electoral court. Wait, wait, he lost his.

[Host]

Do that?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, you shouldn't be able.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

He can do anything.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Moris can do whatever he wants.

[Host]

Wow.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Whatever.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

So now you might be wondering right now, say, how is it possible that one guy does all that and no one is there to contest tested? Well, we have the Senate. The Senate is the only house that would have power to go against, to judge, to impeach a guy like Moraes. But if the Senate starts moving in that direction, certain phone calls start happening and they go like, okay, if you go down that path, you'll be arrested. If you go down that path, I will investigate you for this and this and this and that.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Not even that. They openly said that if any investigation is open against them, they will declare that the investigation is unconstitutional and will be nullified.

[Gustavo Galler]

And the guy who has a.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They openly said that. The court's saying that if anyone investigates them, they will say it's unconstitutional and they will nullify that.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

And if we pass a bill that takes away some of their superpowers, they will void this bill as well, because they will consider it unconstitutional.

[Gustavo Galler]

And Gustavo, the guy who has a power to open an investigation investigation in the Senate of Brazil is the President of the Congress. Congress. His name is Rodrigo Pacheco. This is a important guy in all of this history because if the Senate of Brazil makes his paper we, we shouldn't live what we are living today. But like there's a lot of impeachment.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Impeachment requirements.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, impeachment requirements. And he does do that. He puts like in the.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Just sit up on them.

[Gustavo Galler]

Exactly. He's from my, my, my, my state Mina Gerais and like he, he doesn't have any popularity. He's not going to run for anything I think because he's gonna lose and in still he does do that for us. Nothing that's, that's really, really sad. So but what we can do, we can do nothing. We're gonna say to him that to put a requirement for impeachment management. The old people came to Sao Paulo, Rio asking for impeach Barozu, impeach Alexandria de Moraes even though he doesn't do enough.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

You know all these people that you sign Sao Paulo.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Their main thing is yes they do support Bolsonaro but their main ask is for Morais to be impeached.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yep.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Isn't that a fair assessment?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Exactly.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Gustavo Galler]

Fair. Shit.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

There are 4 million. I think it's more than 4, 4 million signatures now on a online petition to get Morai is impeached. Four million there has. That has never happened before with anybody. Four million people took time to go there, write the form, put your name email confirming mail went, go there and sign I in favor of impeachment.

[Gustavo Galler]

This is a nice thing to put it on screen.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

If you can find change.org what is the website?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

I don't know if it's.

[Gustavo Galler]

I don't know but if you.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

I'll look it up.

[Gustavo Galler]

No, it's not that, that one. If, if you put copola C O P P O L L A. Okay. Morai's impeachment this episode is brought to.

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[Paulo Figueiredo]

I think it's changed a lot.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Org change.org no, it's not.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

It's. There's another one.

[Host]

Four million people.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

That is that. That was from 2021. Look at that. Abasha petition for mor. But it's in Portuguese, right?

[Gustavo Galler]

No, but you can click and you can translate it, right?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

That's 2021. Yeah, we got to find the link that. There's a link there somewhere.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah. Anyway.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Where'S the link?

[Gustavo Galler]

No, just. Just read more. Anyway, in 2021, like two.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

That's it?

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, that's it.

[Host]

Wow.

[Gustavo Galler]

Four million. Oh my God.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

It's now almost five million.

[Gustavo Galler]

Almost. And now please go to this link and, and support now too.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Are you almost 5 million?

[Gustavo Galler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

So, but what does this mean though? Okay, so you get 6 million signatures. What does it mean?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Nothing.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah, it's raising temperature. That's what we've been trying to do all the time. This is why we, we have been coming here. This is our fourth or fifth visit to the United States. Something that I keep talking to the Congressman here in the United States is every time the left starts losing in one country, there's a whole network, global network of leftist people that go there and support the left in that country. They will not accept the left losing in a certain country. So they have this network to help each other.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Right.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

But the conservatives or the right wing people, we are fighting isolated fights and it's impossible. It's like we're fighting the mammoth of. And then when we start to gain, to gain some ground, come sotos and NGOs all over the place and then media and then everywhere come and then puts us back in our place, let's say, right? We. What we are trying to do, and I think it's actually we are late, but we need to start doing that. It's work together. All the right, the conservatives, clear minded, reasonable. You don't have to be conservative, you just have to be reasonable. All the reasonable people, the sane minded people in the world need to start working together. And Brazil is now an experiment of a new kind of dictatorship. It's not a dictatorship centered in the executive, but it's a dictatorship centered in the judiciary, which gives a certain air of legitimacy because it's an institution that is giving these decisions to help help uphold the democracy and the constitution, when actually it's the opposite. And if it works In Brazil, there will be a perfect manual that will be replicated in other countries. So we have to cut this evil at its roots. And the root now of this evil is Brazil. So we are we coming here to tell everyone, look, we live in one planet. Let's help each other. We are doing our best to get every single Brazilian people, person here in the United States to vote for Trump. We're trying to explain to everyone, and we have, I don't know, important.

[Host]

Why is it important for Brazil for Trump to win?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Ever since Biden took office and United States became weak, all the dictator or the wannabe dictators of the world started popping up. Then we have Maduru wanting to invade Guyana. We had Hamas doing that terrible thing with Israel, Russia invading Ukraine. Why? Because whether you like it or not, you might like United States. States. People from all over the world that's watching this, you might like United States or not. But as long as United States is the most powerful country, there's a certain balance. It's like the. I don't know if it's going to sound, but it's a good bully, right? You have the bad bully and the good bully. It's not a perfect country, but when it's the most powerful country, all the other dictators think twice before doing something. Invading another country and having a reaction from the United States. Now, when you have an old senile person who can't even read the prompt, make a speech, all the wannabe dictators are like, oh, now it's my time. Now it's the time I always wanted to do.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

The US has been a force for evil. I'll make the bold statement.

[Host]

Who has been a force for evil?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

United States government. I will make the bold statement that if it wasn't for the Biden administration, Lula wouldn't be the president of Brazil.

[Host]

Okay, why do you say that?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Because interference.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They completely interfered with the Brazilian election actions, not only through their work with the tsc, but also with the threat that I said to the military leaders and politicians in Brazil. Our institutions would take care of Moraes if it wasn't for the support, the blunt and strong support that the Biden administration gave to Moraes. And that's what's happening in the foreign policy of the United States. The U.S. used to use its soft power, power to export democracy. Now he uses a soft power. The number one priority of the Biden administration, foreign policy is LGBT and climate. So it's woke leftist agenda. And Lula is their guy in Brazil. Definitely. They didn't want Bolsonaro. Bolsonaro is not a crazy environmental agenda. It's not towards lgbt, it's not towards the WOKE agenda. Definitely. And it was their enemy and they went out of their way to get rid of him. And I don't care. I'm not here. I don't care about Bolsonaro and Lula. Really, I do not. I think the country needs to make its own decision in a fair election, in a free and fair election. But if you don't have free speech, you don't have anything else. And the war against free speech is not only in Brazil, it's ongoing in the U.S. we now know for a fact. Fact that the Biden administration was working with social media company to censor speech in America. That's a fact that's beyond any discussion. We have the documents, we have the emails, at least since last week. So we know what's going on in France. You know, Rumble left friends. You know, Rumble was kicked out of Russia. You know, China is. Let's not even talk about China. You know what's happening in Australia, you know what's happening in Ireland or Germany.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Germany.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

So the, the war against free speech is a global thing and Brazil is just where they have the most power to enforce it.

[Host]

In December 2023, Rumble blocked access to Brazil. So there is no Rumble in Brazil.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Because they ordered to block my account, among others. Among. I think Rodrigo was part of it as well because Rumble owns locals. And Rodrigo, Rodrigo Constantino was here as well. He was a target of orders against him as well. And Rumbo. Chris Pavlovski, the CEO said, I'm not going to comply with it. Ilama said he's going to lift all the restrictions in Brazil as well. But he hasn't made good of his promise yet.

[Host]

But.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

And the moment he does, he will Twitter or Axe whatever will be disconnected from Brazil.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Lula actually is. There's an ongoing process from Lulu Lula people administration to ban Twitter or X from Brazil.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

Yeah, but I have, I have a question. Sorry. I have a question about that. Imagine the future with the election of Trump. Let me imagine this, this possibility if Trump look for that as a trade war against Brazil. Looking. Imagine Trump saying, okay, you are banning an American company in Brazil. Let's going to do the same with the Brazilian companies in US So with.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

I think he can do worse things. Use the Magnitsky act to go against Morais. He can.

[Eduardo Bolsonaro]

He can freeze bank accounts, he can cancel visas. Visas. So this is the kind of pressure that they fear with Trump's Election.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

They're terrified. They are terrified.

[Host]

How do you know that?

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Well, because of the way, you know, because of the mainstream media, the way.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

They hate Trump and they're doing everything.

[Host]

If I watch regular tv, regular news in Brazil, what am I hearing every. Every day?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Trump is a terrible person. Murderer, rapist, this kind of things.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Yes.

[Host]

On regular news.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yes.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

You know, msnbc, hate the planet, destroy pollution, Islamophobic, Nazi. He's a Nazi. Because now the defending Jews is a Nazi. In Brazil, if you defend the Jude Israel, you're a Nazi.

[Gustavo Galler]

Like, because these, these traditional medias, they receive money from the government. Government. And now Lula put like a lot of money.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

You can research that record value.

[Paulo Figueiredo]

Ideological.

[Gustavo Galler]

Yes, ideological. Right. But money counts a lot too. So they put a lot of money in global. For example, there is a. The biggest mainstream media in Brazil. And that's why you came to hear the. The truth. That's why they want so much of censorship or Internet.

[Host]

We're gonna put the link below to all three of you guys. Are you guys more active Twitter on Instagram? Which one is the one you're more active?

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Instagram, Instagram, Twitter.

[Host]

Because that's going to be okay. Rob, let's put the everybody links below. I just want to say I appreciate you guys for coming down and sitting down and talking. Every time I do, I learn more about what's going on with Brazil. And every time I talk to people, I'm obviously, I'm a guy that lived in Iran. And when Carter became president, for those four years when he was president, Iran was in shambles. The Iranian revolution, when Iran went from being one of the most beautiful countries in the world under the Shah to it falling, happened under Jimmy Carter. And the closest case study we have to Jimmy Carter is Joseph Biden. And again goes back to what you said. When the president in US is weak, everybody else feels it. I'm in US because of Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter is the reason why I'm in US US and he forced a lot of people to leave. We didn't feel safe. And a lot of people around the world right now are feeling it because of weak leadership here.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Yeah.

[Host]

And it's great to see guys like you that have the courage to go out there and speak out. I wish you guys nothing but the best. I. When you go back to your, you know, I'm sure you guys got a dinner set up with Aleandro. The. The moment you guys get in town and Moras, you guys probably going to.

[Gustavo Galler]

Go to barbecue or We've pulled.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

It's actually a pool party, right?

[Host]

Yeah, but. And. And I'm glad that your father is recovering well and he's fighting and he's out there doing his thing and losing his passport over chasing after a whale or whatever he's doing with that. Obviously, he seems like a pretty creative, fun guy to be around, but appreciate you guys for coming out. For the people that are following the story, like they said, spread this conversation with others, they want more exposure of this because people need to learn about what's really going on in. In. In Brazil. Thanks, guys. Thanks, everybody. Take care.

[Nicholas Ferreira]

Thank you very much.