Charlie Kirk Memorial, Trump's $100K H-1B Visa Plan & Kimmel's Rumored Return | PBD Podcast | Ep. 653

Summary

PBD Podcast Episode 653 Summary

Title: Charlie Kirk Memorial, Trump's $100K H-1B Visa Plan & Kimmel's Rumored Return
Date: September 22, 2025
Host: Patrick Bet-David (Pat)
Co-hosts/Panel: Adam, Tom, Vinnie

Episode Overview

This episode centers around the memorial event for Charlie Kirk, discussions on President Trump's proposed $100,000 H-1B visa fee, and the controversy around Jimmy Kimmel's rumored return to late-night TV. The panel shares firsthand experiences from the Kirk memorial, analyzes major current events, and grapples with themes of faith, forgiveness, political division, and leadership in America.

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Main Discussion Points

1. Reflections on the Charlie Kirk Memorial (00:17–32:00)

Event Atmosphere and Highlights

• The crew describes the Kirk memorial as a “magical event,” likening it to a major revival rather than a typical memorial.
• Notable moments included emotional speeches, unity, and the avoidance of anger or violence despite Kirk’s assassination.
• Pat: “This is the greatest revival I’ve ever been to in my life, and I’ve been to many.” (09:41)
• Vinnie: “You felt the presence of the Holy Spirit…Nobody was fighting…everybody just came together. People were in tears.” (13:28)

Elon Musk’s Appearance

• Elon Musk attended, unexpectedly sitting next to Pat’s son. The crew remarks on how Musk’s presence added significance and excitement for attendees (13:04–13:10).

Faith Over Fear Movement

• Vinnie speaks on the surge of faith, inspired by recent events and his new “Faith Over Fear” merch line. Personal stories are shared of strangers connecting in public because of faith symbolism (“cross on the front, faith on the fear in the back”—06:02).

Powerful Moments and Forgiveness

• Erica Kirk’s Speech: Erica, Charlie’s widow, moved the entire stadium by publicly forgiving her husband’s killer just eleven days after the assassination.
  • Erica Kirk (via Adam): “That young man. That young man on the cross, our savior said, ‘Father, forgive them...’ That man, that young man. I forgive him.” (24:56–25:09)
  • Pat: “You know how hard that is to do?...That’s love, that’s reverence. That’s very hard to be there. Very hard.” (26:17–26:29)

Speaker Round-up and Memorable Quotes

• Don Jr.: Opened with humor, impersonating Trump and lightening the mood.
  • “Don, relax. Clowning him in front of the world…[imitating Trump].” (15:27)
• Tucker Carlson: Used biblical allegory to call out the power of martyrdom and those wanting to silence truth-tellers.
  • Tucker (via Tom/Pat): “I’ve got an idea, why don’t we just kill him? That’ll shut him up.” (18:05)
• Frank Turek: “Make heaven crowded. Our job is to make heaven crowded.” (33:00)
• Stephen Miller: Stirred resolve by declaring, “Those trying to ferment hatred against us…You are nothing. You are wickedness…You cannot stop us.” (28:06–28:43)

Unity & Lack of Opposition Attendance

• The panel reflects that no high-profile Democrats or political opponents attended, bemoaning the divided state of American public life.

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2. Media and Political Reaction to Kirk's Death (59:47–77:00+)

Progressive Critiques & Partisanship

• Clips of Democratic politicians like Jasmine Crockett reveal refusal to honor Charlie Kirk due to disagreements with his views:
  • Jasmine Crockett: “I am not going to sit here and be judged for not wanting to honor any legacy this man has left behind…we should hopefully move on and forget the hate that he spewed.” (59:47–61:05)
• Discussion highlights the polarized and, in the panel’s view, sometimes hateful rhetoric from both political flanks, but especially critiques of the left for lack of empathy or spiritual grounding.

Van Jones' Unexpected Tribute

• Van Jones, typically ideologically opposed to Kirk, grew emotional recounting Kirk’s last direct message, seeking civil dialogue:
  • “Charlie Kirk and I were not friends at all…But the day before he died, he…called for personal dialogue, wanting me to come on his show…He said we could deal with our disagreements agreeably…don’t put that on Charlie Kirk.” (43:45–44:40)
• The hosts praise this gesture for showing grace and hope for civic decency.

Faith and Division in U.S. Politics

• The hosts debate whether it’s possible or even fair to lump “the other side” (Democrats or progressives) as evil, observing that while politicians and pundits may stoke division, millions of ordinary Americans have diverse and nuanced motivations (see 68:00–73:05).

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3. Trump’s $100,000 H-1B Visa Proposal (89:21–104:22)

Policy Details

• The Trump administration proposes a $100k application fee for H-1B visas to curb overuse and protect U.S. jobs. The H-1B is a specialty worker visa typically used by tech and healthcare industries.
  • Trump: “If you have some incredibly special individual…you are willing to pay $150 [thousand] to and also give the government $100 [thousand]…The H-1B program is here for you and you may use it. If not, let’s stop lying…It’s about diversity and opportunity. It’s not.” (91:31–92:06, paraphrased)

Panel Discussion

• Tom: Explains how companies exploit H-1Bs for cheap labor, sometimes at the cost of U.S. wages and to the detriment of the foreign workers themselves. Many Indian tech workers, and U.S. CEOs benefiting from the system, will be upset by this change (92:37–96:16).
• Adam/Pat: Argue for striking a balance—America should want the “best and brightest” but immigrants should benefit America, not just the companies exploiting low wages.
• Healthcare Impact: Concerns are raised about unintended effects on “medical deserts” in the U.S. (areas lacking healthcare staff).

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4. George Soros Funding Allegations (76:10–89:01)

New Reports

• Reports allege George Soros donated $80 million through Open Society Foundations to groups endorsing violence or terrorism (per Capital Research Center).
  • Tom: “It is illegal to incent violence…He’s so careful, Pat. We’ve seen how they give it through the dark funds…that may be outside of the law.” (79:26–81:45)
• The hosts question why U.S. law makes prosecuting such indirect (possibly “unknowing”) funding so difficult, examining whether changes to “domestic terrorism” laws could backfire for political speech in the future.

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5. TikTok U.S. Ownership Deal (104:22–113:12)

Administration Claims

• Trump: TikTok deal progressing; American investors (Larry Ellison, Michael Dell, possibly Lachlan Murdoch) and U.S.-controlled board and algorithm.
  • “This deal does put America first…majority owned by Americans in the United States…six out of seven board seats will be Americans…the algorithm…will be controlled by America as well.” (106:25–107:01, via Caroline Levitt)

Skepticism

• Adam: Advocates outright ban, citing national security risks. “In my opinion, TikTok is a national security concern, is a propaganda mouthpiece of the CCP. And what do we get for it? Free speech?” (109:57–110:14)
• Tom/Pat: Cautiously optimistic if true U.S. oversight is maintained, but distrustful of China’s intentions.

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6. Jimmy Kimmel’s Suspension Controversy (113:13–125:32)

Industry Fallout

• Kimmel under indefinite suspension after remarks about Kirk’s death, with Disney and ABC leadership debating his future.
• Michael Eisner (ex-Disney CEO) tweets criticisms of both Bob Iger’s (current CEO) handling and FCC “intimidation.”

Panel Consensus

• Tom: This is not a First Amendment issue; Kimmel’s removal reflects business realities, advertiser pressure, and leadership making hard choices—not government persecution (118:17–121:13).
• Adam/Pat: Doubt Kimmel’s “talent,” suggest Disney (particularly under Bob Iger) is cleaning house for business reasons. They note Eisner's legacy as foundational, but believe his comments aren’t constructive in the present context.

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Key Quotes and Timestamps

• Pat (on the memorial): "This is the greatest revival I've ever been to in my life, and I've been to many." [09:41]
• Erica Kirk (on forgiveness): "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do...That man, that young man. I forgive him." [24:56–25:09]
• Tucker Carlson (on martyrdom & truth-telling): "'I've got an idea, why don't we just kill him? That'll shut him up.'" [18:05]
• Don Jr. (impersonating Trump): "Don, relax. Clowning him in front of the world." [15:27]
• Van Jones (on last interaction with Kirk): "He sent me a personal message...We could deal with our disagreements agreeably...don't put that on Charlie Kirk." [43:45–44:40]
• Tom (on H-1B visas): "Organizations in Silicon Valley or in America...were taking advantage of this to get cheaper labor than you would get by paying available labor here in the United States..." [92:37–96:16]
• Adam (on TikTok): "I don’t see the benefit of keeping TikTok in this country whatsoever...national security concern, is a propaganda mouthpiece of the CCP." [109:57–110:14]
• Jasmine Crockett (on not honoring Kirk): "...I am not going to sit here and be judged for not wanting to honor any legacy this man has left behind." [59:47–61:05]

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Noteworthy Segments & Timestamps

• Charlie Kirk Memorial recap / emotional moments (00:17–32:00)
• Elon Musk's arrival at the memorial (13:00–13:10)
• Tucker's and Don Jr.'s speeches at the memorial (15:27–18:17)
• Erica Kirk’s public forgiveness speech (24:49–25:27)
• Van Jones tribute and plea for dialogue (43:45–44:40)
• Panel debates political division and the “other side” (68:00–73:05)
• Soros funding allegations and legal complexities (76:10–89:21)
• Deep-dive on H-1B visa controversy (89:21–104:22)
• TikTok U.S. deal analysis (104:22–113:12)
• Jimmy Kimmel/Disney controversy reaction (113:13–125:32)

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains an energetic, emotional, and at times raw, “locker-room” camaraderie—mixing humor, heartfelt testimony, pointed political commentary, and candid argument. The language is direct, passionate, and sometimes dramatic—especially when discussing faith, patriotism, and the state of the nation.

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Conclusion

Episode 653 is a compelling fusion of real-time emotional testimony from the front lines of the American culture war, centered on the legacy of Charlie Kirk. The hosts balance deeply personal reflections on loss, faith, and forgiveness with tough, often polemical debate on immigration, political division, media bias, and leadership. Listeners gain vivid insights into both the values and anxieties shaping conservative thought in 2025, with direct speaker quotes and vivid storytelling bringing the themes to life.

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For more:

• All notable segments are timestamped for easy access.
• For those interested in tribute, faith, and American politics post-Charlie Kirk, this episode is essential listening.

Transcript

[Tom]

Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed I could taste sweet victory.

[Pat]

I know this lifemate. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one.

[Charlie Kirk]

My son's right.

[Pat]

I don't think I've ever said this before. All right, gang, for those of you that watched the memorial or were there, you probably experienced what we experienced. It was a magical event. I can't wait to share a couple things with you. Everything from the moment we left to land it to being there to all of a sudden we're sitting at and sitting at a place. Elon comes and sits right next to my oldest son, Tico. Tico's looking at him. They're having a conversation for two hours. Just, you know, literally right next to each other's reaction. By the way, he just, you know, to him, that's his guy. He's a big.

[Adam]

I thought he said he went like.

[Vinnie]

No, no, initially. No, literally, I heard him. He was like this.

[Pat]

Cool.

[Vinnie]

When the rockets land.

[Pat]

Yeah. Seats taken, buddy?

[Vinnie]

Yeah, well, he took my seat.

[Pat]

And. And this in the speech, everybody from Don Junior's Funny moments, Hilarious president getting up there doing his thing, talking about. I hate my opponents. I know that's not. Charlie. I just hate my opponents. I hate them. I don't know. I can't help myself. These left. What do you call them?

[Adam]

These radical left Lunatics.

[Pat]

Lunatics, he said. They telling me to say just left, but I like to call them lunatics. And then a couple guys that got up and gave the message. Erica at the end when she gave the message was something else. So we got a lot of stories to go through, a lot of stories to go through. And some things that happened yesterday that I got a question for these guys, specifically for these guys after yesterday's event. So we'll see. We'll see what the answer is going to be like. By the way, we got back here this morning at one o' clock in the morning we landed. Adam drove all the way down to a hotel down the street. He was still late today. And. And Rob, on his way back, he was in the middle of a standoff.

[Tom]

Terrible.

[Adam]

Did you mean a stand still or standoff? No, no, it was a police standoff.

[Tom]

They had a car to the side of the road, helicopters and 20 to 30 cop cars.

[Pat]

What'd you do?

[Vinnie]

It was. I was trying to get home asleep to do this.

[Pat]

Okay, so let's go through Trump to Impose a hundred thousand, by the way. Thomas joking Trump to impose a hundred thousand dollar fee on H1B visa applications. Tear gas used on protesters at Chicago area ICE facility amid immigration enforcement clashes. We're going to talk about obviously all the things that happened yesterday at the memorial. Jimmy Kimmel in talks with Disney exec to negotiate a return of the late night show. The former Disney Michael Eisner CEO had a few things to say. You have to hear what this guy had to say. Which by the way, Tom says he made a lot of good points. Van Jones shared a private DM from Charlie Kirk. And Van Jones, who is not on the same page politically as Charlie Kerr, got emotional sharing what happened with that. Soros cuts $10 million check for California's redistricting campaign. But there's another data that also came out that he gave $80 million that I want to talk about to see what this guy's doing. What is this guy's motive to try to divide America to these leftist groups glorifying terrorism and violence. What is wrong with this guy? This is why President Trump said we may look into him for a RICO case and we'll see, we'll see what's going to happen there. Trump called out Pam Bondi in a very assertive way. Yesterday, Trump and Elon reunited first time shaking hands. And Elon, Trump was asked about it on Air Force One. And so Trump declares antifa major terrorist group. Trump predicts government could have a shutdown which is concerning for some people. His margin of approval jumps 10 points in four days. Polls say we got a bunch of H1B stuff to talk about Chicago. One of the things he said yesterday, he says, you know, Charlie Kirk is from Chicago. And Charlie would tell me this is Trump speaking. Charlie would tell me, Mr. President, we got to find a way to clean the streets of Chicago. We got to find. He says we're going to clean. We're going to clean the streets of Chicago.

[Adam]

He actually said it was their last conversation.

[Pat]

That's right. It's the last conversation.

[Adam]

Clean up Chicago said I will, Charlie.

[Pat]

That's right. Trump eyeing to return to Afghanistan saying US is trying to get back Bagram Air Base. Interesting. The TikTok deal. We'll talk about that. Trump suggesting pulling licenses of certain networks. There's a new video of Tyler Robinson that was found. Erica Kirk is officially the CEO and chair of Turning Point usa. Bill Maher slams Hollywood. Pete Buttigieg responds to Kamala Harris saying the reason why he wouldn't she would. She didn't pick him is because he's gay, which is, you know, deeply concerning for that community. Victoria's Secret ditches woke rebrand and vows to return to unapologetically sexy roots. What a common sense idea to return to.

[Tom]

Oh my God, back when they had brilliant sales.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Adam]

What is a woman?

[Pat]

Exactly. And then could 2028. This is POLITICO. Could 2028 be the YouTube election? Oh, what are they talking about? Are they saying podcasts and YouTubes and creating your own platform could be the reason some people could get elected in 2028. Who knows? Josh Shapiro says Kamala Harris will have to answer for never raising concerns over Biden's death. And then we got a bunch of other things that's going on here. However, guys, I'm going to tell you this. Something special happened last week before we went to the memorial. Vinnie had a new collection and we just got a report from Leo how successful that collection was. I'm going to have Vinnie say a few thoughts and few words about the faith over fear. Vinnie, share with them why you're excited about the show. I mean, I think we rarely do back to back.

[Vinnie]

I don't think we ever done.

[Pat]

But, but it's such a big hit, especially with the timing of it.

[Vinnie]

But so, so as you guys can tell, you know, cross on the front, faith on the fear in the back. I wore this on Sunday and I went to a diner and I'm sitting there, guys, a guy pats me on the back, sits down next to me, starts telling a story about his faith and his family starts crying. A waitress comes and she's just sitting there. Her name is Mary, sitting there staring at me. I'm at Lester's Diner. I had five people around me talking about faith and what, you know what chart this move. Something, something is happening. Pat, I got emotional walking here today with you and get and crying and guys just having faith. Ok, Matt Zappala, you mind if I.

[Pat]

Crazy.

[Vinnie]

Guys, Matt Zappala is a, is a huge, big time loyal, amazing, amazing guy and friend with his wife Sheena. Dude, he just got on a plane, literally flew to Arizona. No joke. I think, Pat, you're going to send it to Rob. Guys, he flies to Arizona. No, nothing. No ticket.

[Pat]

He has no way to get in.

[Vinnie]

He has no way to get in. He texts. Pat goes, I'm here, guys. Rob, how many people were walking around outside?

[Tom]

Well, they said that there were around a hundred thousand in the area. There were 60,000 inside the stadium. So 40,000 walking around trying to find.

[Vinnie]

A way, trying to Find a way.

[Adam]

We're driving in circles. We don't know where we're going.

[Vinnie]

Out of nowhere, out of nowhere, we see Matt Sepala.

[Adam]

Now Pat goes, hey, there's Matt right?

[Vinnie]

There he is. And by long story short, we get him in the vehicle, and he goes. And Pat goes. Pat goes, what are you. What are you doing here? No wife. No. He's like.

[Adam]

He said, faith over fear.

[Vinnie]

No, he goes, I just had faith. Faith that I God, something told me, just get on an airplane and go. And he goes, here I am. And he got in our van and we got him in, and the word faith jumped out. I go. I go, see how. See how God works security the whole night. So I tell. So, guys, so the thing behind is just having faith over fear. We don't. Like, we don't know. None of us saw Jesus Christ. But I have faith because I've heard the stories, and I believe. I believe in my heart of hearts. And never. Guys, all this stuff, everything that happened with Charlie, zero fear. Zero fear. And we found out that Charlie, God rest his soul, died instantly. And I have faith that in that instant second, he was with Jesus and he was with God in heaven. So that's it, guys. So faith over fear. Let people know that I'm not scared. We're not scared about nothing. Zero. Because we have faith, period.

[Pat]

Go to vtmerch.com Place your order. Faith over fear. Rob, can we make sure we put the. If you can go to the website so I can show you exactly where it's at and they can find it. You literally go to valuetainment vtmerch.com and it's the first thing we have there. Go on the collection, there's multiple colors.

[Vinnie]

The white, apparently the red is doing really good.

[Pat]

Yeah, Go whichever color you pick and choose. Gray. Get your shirt. Represent. And is that.

[Vinnie]

Can you show that you want to show that video of him?

[Pat]

What? So this is Matt.

[Vinnie]

Surprise. This is 40, 000 people walking around. And look, there he is. I can't hear. Look at him. Look at Matt.

[Pat]

He's trying to find a way to get in.

[Vinnie]

I know who's FaceTiming him.

[Pat]

He's FaceTime.

[Adam]

I'm like, get in the car, buddy. He's like, what car? I said turn around.

[Vinnie]

Look at him.

[Adam]

I'm like, get over here.

[Vinnie]

Just straight, guys. He literally took a leap of f. He goes, I'm.

[Adam]

Do you want to see the before and after? So we get there, he gets in with us. He didn't know he's going to Get a ticket. Next thing you know, thanks to pbd, thanks to our crew, thanks to Turning Point. Look how close. Matt, who had no access, he's standing there, front row with me, David Harris Jr. Hey, look, we made it having faith. I said, you just show up, great things will happen.

[Pat]

Okay, so let's talk about yesterday. Let's talk about yesterday's event and how magical it was. By the way, I've been to a lot of church revivals in my lifetime. I've been to many. And Tom, how do you define a revival? They bring a lot of speakers, Messages are being given. Maybe you're recommitting, right? You're making new decisions. What would you say revival is?

[Tom]

Revivalism, where churches used to take a couple days out and say, hey, we're going to invite some other pastors here. And we're also going to talk about things that really matter here in the community and specifically why your faith is so important. And it's not just the one hour sermon with some praise.

[Pat]

It's like an eight, ten hour deal, right?

[Tom]

Yes. Sometimes they're all day. Old fashioned revivals used to be like all day day on Saturday and then baptizing people at the end of the day and everything that goes with it. But it was, it was more so.

[Pat]

So in other words, conversion focused. So yesterday, this place, Rob, if you just show one of the clips of what the place looked like, this place was jam packed. Please welcome to the stage. Frank crushed it, by the way.

[Adam]

It was great.

[Pat]

He crushed. This guy was just, I believe he.

[Adam]

Was the gentleman that was standing behind Charlie Kirk when he got shot.

[Pat]

You can pause him into the car. So I had the boys over there. It's. It's a while we're there with the whole family. They're sitting down. Vinnie, Vinnie's doing his thing. And then all of a sudden we go to the front. So we're saying hi to a bunch of people. Oh my God, guys, if you were there, it was so great seeing everybody. Okay. It was so great seeing everybody walk in, emotions high. Matt Sapala puts the camera on my face. I'm not expecting to be recorded at that time. I'm just soaking everything in. And Rob, I don't know if you have this one or not. And he just asked me, what are you thinking about right now? Right. I haven't thought about an answer. He literally is to my right. I'm walking. I'm not trying to talk, I'm just trying to see what's going on. And then all of a Sudden he says, pat, what's on your mind? I walk in. Rob, if you can share this clip here. I walk in, you're hearing the music. You hearing everything. This is the greatest revival I've ever been to in my life, and I've been to many. It is the greatest revival I've been to in my life. Watch this one here. Rob, go on and play. This is one kid wanted to unite. America would get one kid, 31 years old, have to take them away. Millions of people will be inspired by this one guy named Charles. We're going to celebrate his life today, let me tell you. Emotions, emotion, side. We go, we sit, and then all of a sudden, Matteo says, hey, you know, we all had floor seat. We just showed up late because traffic was high, by the way. We're going through security. Secret Service guy opens up the door. He says, yeah, pbd. We're trying to get in. I said, where are you from? He says, toronto. I said, wait, oh, yeah, you came in from Toronto. So we did. Him and his wife, good looking couple. I said, so what happened? They send us out. I said, what do you mean they send us out? There is no room in the stadium. You're kidding me.

[Vinnie]

No.

[Pat]

What do you mean there is no room? There is no room in the stadium. How about the overflow room? The overflow room is back. What are you talking about? He's saying, can we get in with you? I said, I can't get you right now. I'm right with Secret Service trying to get through, but it was such a incredible place to be. And then all of a sudden, we get in. Matteo takes us, he says, hey, Elon Musk is not going to be there. His seats are available because we was going to be 2 and 2 and I wanted the boys to sit together. We go and we sit down. It's me, Vinnie, Tico and Dylan. And then literally five minutes later, they say, well, Elon is here.

[Vinnie]

He's right there.

[Pat]

Yeah. So Elon walks up, Vinnie gets up. Elon comes and sits right next to Tico.

[Vinnie]

That was my seat.

[Pat]

Okay. And you see the hand up. You see the left hand up someone's hand up Dilly, that's Dylan's hand. So you can't see Dilly, his hand. You can see Dylan's hand, but you can see Tico's profile. And it was just a great event. It was a great event. But Vinnie, for you, what was it like being in the room?

[Vinnie]

I. With. Without trying to put fluff or whatever people call it when you Walked into that stadium, you felt the presence of the Holy Spirit. People were sing. Think about it. One of our guys was just 11 days ago, assassinated in cold blood in front of the world. And guess what this room was. Nobody was fighting, nobody was rioting, nobody was burning down, nobody was killing. Everybody just came together and it was, by the way, hugging. People were in tears, people were getting emotional. People that were like, I've never, I haven't been to church. But this sparked something. And somebody said something about they attempted to extinguish his light. Every time you try to extinguish somebody's light like this, like Charlie, it only makes the fire brighter. It makes it more. And I, I, I was. And again, Pat, I know. Adam, thank you. Thank you for giving us this opportunity just to be. And because you would think people would be furious, people would be angry and upset. It brought us together. And evil. Remember when you said in the, in the, in the green room at the vault, you go. And it was that moment where you're like, it's, it's, we're going to win. There's no way. And this is it. Man. This was such a, such a beautiful moment. And I asked that question to you. I. About the other side. Cuz who, if you had to compare anybody from the other side, that was at Charlie. Where, who, who on the other. They don't have nobody.

[Pat]

Nobody at Charlie.

[Vinnie]

This is it. This is it, love.

[Pat]

They don't have anybody at Charlie's level. Nobody. Let's go through a couple of the talks that was given. Okay, let's go through a couple of them. Rob, if you can pull up, pull up Don Jr. Cuz Don Jr. Broke the ice. And if you guys weren't there, Don gave a phenomenal speech. I texted him afterwards. Phenomenal speech. But Don was the guy that actually made the place a little bit. He brought the temperature down. He got people to laugh by impersonating his dad. Here's Don Jr. Impersonating his dad. Right after his dad is in the arena. He points at him and then he does this. Go ahead.

[Vinnie]

Social media knows I'm far more likely to crack a joke or get myself.

[Pat]

In trouble for posting some grossly inappropriate.

[Vinnie]

Memes than I am to shed a tear. I know this because I've even gotten the call from that guy a couple times. You know, Don, you're getting a little.

[Adam]

Aggressive on social media.

[Vinnie]

Don, relax. Clowning him in front of the world.

[Pat]

Good day.

[Vinnie]

That he's like, hi, everybody, excuse me.

[Tom]

Dana White and Jared, can you actually.

[Pat]

And Eric, picture that call happening. Can you actually picture that call happening? Meaning his father calm saying, listen, tone down that Michelle Obama type of stuff. Yeah, relax with that. Right? Can you picture that happen? Yeah.

[Vinnie]

And him going, who are you to talk to me? You're the main guy.

[Pat]

I learned it from you guys. Yeah, but it was sad. Such a great moment when that happened. Right. When. When Don said what he said about it. And another one, Rob, if you can pull up. I, I actually really like Tucker's message. Tucker's message, when he gave the message about Rob. Which part, which story is this? Is this the actual story?

[Vinnie]

The opening.

[Pat]

The opening. Is this the one?

[Tom]

No, this is when the comment that.

[Vinnie]

The martyr one.

[Pat]

But I think the opening, you know, this is the one where he says, when he dies, he says, I have an idea, let's just kill him. Is this it?

[Vinnie]

Oh, no, that's the beginning, Rob. That's the opening. When he talked about, he talked about Jesus. That's the one. That's the main one.

[Pat]

Believable.

[Vinnie]

This guy opened it up and he does the laugh. I think that's the one where he laughs.

[Pat]

It is unbelievable. For speaking the truth, the story Tucker told. Is this the one, Rob?

[Vinnie]

Yes.

[Tom]

Right?

[Pat]

Yeah. Watch this one, folks. Listen to this one.

[Tom]

Ultimately, he was a Christian evangelist and it actually reminds me of my favorite story ever. So it's about 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem and Jesus shows up and he starts talking about the people in power and he starts doing the worst thing that you can do, which is telling the truth about people. And they hate it.

[Pat]

And they just go bonkers.

[Tom]

They hate it and they become obsessed with making him stop. This guy's got to stop talking. We've got to shut this guy up. And I can just sort of picture the scene in a lamp lit room with a bunch of guys sitting around eating hummus, thinking about what do we do about this guy telling the truth about us?

[Pat]

We must make him stop talking.

[Tom]

And there's always one guy with the bright idea. And I could just hear him say.

[Pat]

I've got an idea, why don't we just kill him? That'll shut him up. That'll fix the problem.

[Tom]

It doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way.

[Pat]

Everything is inverted. Tom, what do you think about that message?

[Tom]

The message that Tucker gave immediately was getting heat as people were connecting dots and saying, oh, he's, he's bringing up Israel. No, he wasn't. He's bringing up the historical fact that there were Jewish people at that time waiting for the Messiah. And are you the Messiah? Are you him? And he was ministering to people, healing people. But the leaders of the synagogue who were corrupt, they wanted to keep power. And so that's exactly what happened. And we all know the Easter story and the Passover week and what they did and trumped up charges on him and did it. And so Tucker's talking about that, and he was recounting that biblically, very authentically, and then people were giving him heat for that. But he. His bigger point that he made really touched me because I felt the Holy Spirit was front and center. Faith was front foregrounded. But it wasn't like a political rally where you talk about faith, but you spin it. You're really careful how you say it, because you don't offend these people over here. Over here. And there was no spin of it. And Tucker was just telling the historical story of that's what happened to Christ, and. And that's how Christ became the savior of the world. And I thought Tucker's recounting of that was fine, or people were saying, oh, you know, he's.

[Pat]

What did you think about it? What did you think about his message?

[Tom]

I thought Tucker's. I thought overall, Tucker's message was. Was well crafted. It wasn't over long. And I thought he was kind of on point to the moment. I kind of felt that way.

[Pat]

That's all as well. I thought he crushed it. I thought. I thought he was. I thought he was phenomenal. I thought the great thing about a panel of speakers is if everybody hits the different tone and not everybody hits the same.

[Vinnie]

Yes.

[Pat]

You know, sometimes everyone's like, you know, when a ruler dies, when a tyrant.

[Adam]

Dies, his rule is over. When a martyr dies, his rule begins.

[Pat]

Three people use the same quote, but they were not in the room to the other.

[Vinnie]

Exactly.

[Pat]

The first person that said it, the reaction was massive. It was Benny Johnson. The place was lit up. And then afterwards it was like, well, that's why you need to be there to hear what the audience is saying. So you're not saying the same thing twice. But I thought Tucker's message was spot on. Adam, your thoughts?

[Adam]

Well, let me just say Tucker, then I'll give you my thoughts on the thing. I thought Tucker did a great job. You know, I don't. You're saying that people took his message the wrong way, Tom.

[Vinnie]

Some people. Some people obviously immediately are like, oh, he's read the underlying thing. He's going after. You know, Israel did.

[Tom]

Adam. It appeared to be people online that didn't understand that he was properly recounting the. The story of Christ. And they were saying, oh, he was telling this tale, trying to insinuate, you know, Israel responsibility.

[Adam]

I think that. I think that's a massive stretch. I think he was talking about the elites and the establishment of the time, whether that was the par. What was it? Pharisees.

[Tom]

Pharisees and maybe even the Romans and the Sadducees.

[Adam]

Because he certainly wasn't talking about the Hebrews or the Israelites, because those were literally his followers. Every single one of them was all Jewish.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

So anyone that's extrapolating and being like he's anti Israel in this speech? No, he's talking about the elites and the establishment.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Because every single one of the apostles, every single one of his followers were Jewish, Hebrews at the time. Pivoting. Erica Kirk crushed the event. Oh, I mean, absolutely incredible. Sometimes, you know, people. People are anointed while she's the wife. It's the natural. She deserves every second of this. Her speech was incredible. The. The forgiveness. She forgives the killer. Eleven days after his assassination. I would be filled with rage. Way to calm the flames, way to come. If she came up there and gave a message like, we need to attack them, what do you think would be happening right now? Message of unity. Unbelievable. They say that it was a revival, not a memorial. So, full disclosure, this is my first time ever at a revival like this. I've been to church. This wasn't church. This was a revival. This was unity. This was love. This was respect. Because you don't have to be Christian to show respect. You know, at one point, Trump got on stage, he's like, you know, Charlie Kirk's his Lord and Savior. He didn't say, our Lord and Savior. He said, Charlie's Lord and Savior, did he not?

[Vinnie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Okay, so I don't know if Trump is the most religious person. I'll let you guys speculate. But he has enough respect, and we should all have enough respect to say, this is where we're at at this point. You don't have to be a follower of Jesus Christ to have respect. And certainly in America, don't be anti God, don't be anti Christianity, don't be anti Jesus, Moses, Abraham. That's not going to be a good look.

[Pat]

Yeah. So, by the way, maybe go to that. Rob, play the clip of Erica when she went. So imagine it's been 11 days. They have to put an event together. The event goes flawless. I'm sitting there, I'm looking at the Name tags. The name tags quality wasn't paper. They had to flip it to create that. The name tag alone, that's going to take you a minute to get. In seven days, they nailed avoid. In seven days, they nailed VIPs getting in Secret Service security. In seven days, they nailed overflow room. In seven days, they put their speeches together. In seven days, they got everybody around the world that agreed to come. Who. Who was the person that was there performing, Tom? The singers, the band? Was it Blake, which was the one that you said. You said the.

[Vinnie]

The one I was listening to on the way.

[Adam]

They were wonderful. They were wonderful.

[Pat]

Oh, my gosh.

[Tom]

If I can only imagine. Says here Brandon Lake, Chris Tomlin, Phil Wickham, Cody, KS and Carrie Joe.

[Vinnie]

Because is a phenomenal Christ.

[Pat]

It was amazing.

[Adam]

And Lee Greenwood.

[Pat]

Lee Greenwood sang for the president for three minutes before. So. So you. They. They did all this. All this stuff. And Erica has to sit there to do makeup and she has to make her makeup because she knows all the cameras going to be on her and she has to get her speech and she has to get in front of everybody with a big poster in the stadium, 65,000 people of her husband right in front of her that she has to stare at while she's giving that speech. The emotion's high. And this is one of the moments of her message here. Go ahead, Rob.

[Adam]

That young man. That young man on the cross, our.

[Pat]

Savior said.

[Adam]

Father, forgive them for they.

[Jasmine Crockett]

Not know what they do.

[Adam]

That man, that young man. I forgive him.

[Vinnie]

Everybody.

[Adam]

That was the most powerful body part of the entire day.

[Pat]

Oh.

[Adam]

What a strong woman. What an incredible.

[Vinnie]

So not easy to do.

[Adam]

And didn't ruin her makeup. Looked great.

[Pat]

You know how hard that is to be? You know how hard that is to do. The. The man that kills your husband, you forgive him. Eleven days later, after it happens, can you go to power versus force, which is something we keep talking about, but it's so relevant.

[Vinnie]

It's so relevant in these situations.

[Pat]

That's right.

[Vinnie]

Every day I'm going, when I wake up, where am I at?

[Pat]

Yeah, watch this.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Where is her love? Where is all love? Low level 500.

[Vinnie]

I would go there.

[Pat]

It's all. It is so hard to get. You forgive him publicly. That's love. That's reverence. That's very hard to be there. Very hard. It's above reason. It's because a person could say, listen, let me reason with you. I understand why you're upset. You just lost your husband in front of everybody. No, it's faith it's love, and I respect it. It's not easy. The average person cannot do it. Because even the other day when what's his name was here, Eric was here. He says, I'm angry. I'm angry. I'm angry. Right? I'm angry. I totally get it. The only the person that was hit by this more than anybody else is given the example of love. Yeah. What do you think the rest of the world should be doing? I thought it was a great moment of what she did in the entire event, and I thought that was her way of almost letting everybody, you know, say, hey, if I'm coming from this place, guys, you know, let's. Let's not increase the temperature more than what it is right now. I was very impressed by.

[Adam]

Even in. Even in Charlie's death, we're seeing the legacy of his decision making. What kind of decision making do you think it took for him to say, that's my wife. If I'm gone, she could carry the torch. We're just starting to learn about Erica Kirk, the new CEO of Turning Point. But for what we're seeing about her in the last 11 days, wow, what a great decision Charlie made. A lot of people are acting in anger or desire at this point. For her to show this outpouring of love for the person that just killed her husband is setting the tone for the rest of the country. God bless.

[Vinnie]

You know who I pat like on the. On the up, not the opposite side, but Stephen Miller, who has been on a just a mission when he said, those trying to ferment hatred against us. What do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness. He's calling out. He's calling out evil. He's like, you are jealousy. You are envy. You are hatred. You are nothing. You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You cannot defeat us. You cannot slow us down. You cannot stop us. You cannot deter. We will carry Charlie and Eric on our hearts every single day and fight that much harder. He goes, you have no idea how determined we will be to save the civilization.

[Pat]

Outside of Erica, who was your favorite.

[Vinnie]

Speaker outside of Erica? Yeah, Erica was number one.

[Pat]

Miller, I think Tucker.

[Vinnie]

Tucker, because he opened with Christ and he ended with Christ. And I do love. I do love. I would put Stephen Miller pat because at the end of the day, he's not saying kill. And he was talking to evil and evil's face and going, if you think, by the way, if you think we're going to stop, you're crazy. And I love that he called out that. Because think about the other side. They were still on tv. They were still out there. Again, I have a bunch of clips, all of them saying, Hitler, fascist, hate, Jasmine Crockett, all these people. Steve Bunnell. It's like, you're not going to stop. We're not going to stop.

[Pat]

Tom, who is your favorite speaker?

[Tom]

It had to be Erica. And there were some people on social media that didn't understand what she meant by forgiveness. She's not giving him a pardon. She's saying, in my heart, I have to forgive. So I'm not the one that's eternally bitter. But the Bible will tell you that in your forgiveness, you know, there are earthly consequences. There are consequences. And the consequences is this young man is going to stand trial, and whatever happens there is going to happen there. And so Erica was my number one. Number two was Turek, the security and the associate of Charlie, who was in the SUV with him when they put him in there. And he talked about how Charlie's eyes were still open. And he says he was looking at me, but he wasn't because he was gone. They're trying to administer, you know, now we know they're trying to administer first aid. And there was no hope getting to the hospital. Third was Tucker, and then was Suzy Wells. Those are mine. Erica Turek, Tucker, Susie.

[Adam]

I thought Frank Turek was incredible. I shook his hand afterwards. You're asking who you thought the best speaker was after? Erica Kirk.

[Pat]

Who resonated the most?

[Adam]

I think we're all in agreement that Erica Kirk crushed it. Yeah. For me, it was number one. And number two, after erica was Don Jr. And Trump himself because of two reasons Trump shut down the show. I think humbly, Mr. President, Erica should have gone last. My opinion. But what Don Jr did was a message of, I know I'm usually angry. I know I'm usually sarcastic, but let me actually lighten the mood for a second. Let me give a little brevity to this. And I thought he did with this impression. He also, also, and this is the biggest message here, showed a little bit, a little bit of being a synergist. We know Trump is not a synergist. He literally said, I hate my enemies. Charlie, you did it. Charlie loved his perceived enemies. Don Jr. At one point, I was talking with Matt Seppala. He showed a little bit signs of being a synergist. I don't know if we're there. Stephen Miller, not a synergist. So I think we need a lot more unity in this country. What I was most upset about you tell me, guys, I could be wrong. I didn't see one Democrat politician there. Not one. Not one. You're telling me as a brand, as an establishment, you're half the country. You see the other half of the country distraught, angry, sad, just filled with rage, love, affection. None of you show up, bro. Not one. Imagine the power if AOC shows up. Imagine Adam. But we're at such a place in our country where you can't even show up.

[Vinnie]

Adam.

[Adam]

That, to me, is what we're lacking.

[Vinnie]

Adam, These are the same people that couldn't stand up during Trump's State of the Union. When a black kid that has cancer, that wants to be a secret, they couldn't stand up and applaud him. You think they're gonna fly to Arizona on faith and just walk around and hope?

[Adam]

No, I think.

[Pat]

Well, they.

[Tom]

They kind of stood up during the week, and it made their opinions known. And not all of those were good, but there was one.

[Vinnie]

Go ahead, Van Jones.

[Tom]

There was one. Van Jones.

[Pat]

I'm not a politician, so can you do me favorites? Play the clip of what Adam said about Trump. You know, where he says, you guys like it? I don't like.

[Adam]

That's not me.

[Pat]

That's not me. You just had it up, Rob. I think that's the one. Go ahead.

[Charlie Kirk]

He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponents, and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erica. But now Erica can talk to me and the whole group, and maybe they can convince me that that's not right. But I can't stand my opponent.

[Tom]

I like that comment.

[Pat]

Maybe she can convince.

[Tom]

I'm willing to.

[Charlie Kirk]

Angry. Looking down, he's angry at me now. He wasn't interested in demonizing anyone. Was interested in.

[Pat]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's. I'll tell you a couple things for me on what I liked, okay? I took notes when they were talking, and here's what I got. I like what Frank Turk said. He said, make heaven crowded. Okay? Make. Our job is to make heaven crowded. Great message. And I talked to him afterwards. He said, it was great seeing your sons here. I said, I appreciate it, but it was him giving that message. The. The. The Sergio Gore. I don't know who he is. Who is Sergio Gore? I want to give him credit because.

[Adam]

To the Trump orbit, you can find his exact title.

[Pat]

What does he do?

[Adam]

He's an ambassador, Director of the White.

[Tom]

House Presidential Personnel office.

[Pat]

So he's somebody. And by the way. It doesn't mean anything. I don't know who he is. I don't want to. I don't want this thing to. Ambassador to India. Okay, fantastic. You know what he said, which was very interesting because I think that that applies to every business. But specifically, he said. He said the world of politics is filled with transactional people. And he was making a point that Charlie wasn't a transactional person. Which means they come in, they get what they want next. They come in, they get what they want next. They come in, they get what they want next. You ever seen the movie Vice where there is a scene where Carroll. Steve Carell.

[Adam]

Steve Carell, Yeah.

[Pat]

Steve Carell is the one where he says to Christian Bale, who's playing Dick.

[Adam]

Cheney, I believe Dick Cheney, yes.

[Pat]

And he says, man, is it possible that you're even more evil than you were when I first met you? This is when Dick Cheney is firing him.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Can it even be possible? This scene? I don't know if you know the scene. Have you seen this movie? I have to watch this with you.

[Vinnie]

There's a scene.

[Pat]

Do you know what scene I'm talking about?

[Tom]

It's kind of an accurate movie, but I know the scene.

[Pat]

Yeah. He says, can you get any more evil than you used to be? I cannot believe that. So in politics, transactional. I got what I wanted from you. Boom. Next. I got what I wanted from you next. So I like that point being made. The fact that Charlie was. And he was a guy that was a builder. Trump called him a master builder. Okay. Master builder. Tucker's message was on fire. Hecsett said Charlie had big plans, but God had even bigger plans. I actually like Hecsett's message. He came and he delivered. He left. Gave flute at the end. He is. Then Hexa told a story about what his pastor told him. He said the devil overplayed his hand. He started. He said, Charlie started turning point usa. But he said, this event will end up becoming the turning point of usa. Wow. Did you. Did you understand that messaging, like, pastor's telling him that and Hex, that's sharing that with the audience. I texted Bobby and I said to Bobby, I said, listen, that one message, it was. You could tell. And Bobby was having a hard time. Something was going on with Bobby. I think this could have been an emotional moment for him probably more than anybody else, because there's only one person in that room that has the experience of your relatives being a Samson.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, it's him.

[Pat]

So that's why I told him I Said, listen, man, I mean, you know, this has got to be. And he sends me. So I said, he says, one day I go to my mom, and I asked, do you have this wrap? He says, one day I go to my mom. Is this it?

[Vinnie]

The law?

[Adam]

Yes.

[Tom]

Longer versions right here.

[Pat]

It is so amazing when he says, I go to my mom and I ask her about, mom, what do you do with the whole. The pain of losing someone? What do you do with. What do you do with that? What do you do when you have that whole. How do you deal with it? And this is what he was told. Go ahead, Rob. When my brother David died, I had a conversation with my mother, who had been through more than her share of loss and tragedy.

[Adam]

And I said. I asked her, I said, does the.

[Pat]

Hole that they leave in you when.

[Adam]

They die, does it ever get any smaller? And she said, no, it never gets any smaller.

[Pat]

But our job is to build ourselves bigger around Hollow. We do that.

[Adam]

We do that by taking the best.

[Pat]

Virtues and character traits of the person that we lost and using discipline and restraint and practice, integrating those character traits.

[Tom]

Into our own character.

[Pat]

And in doing that, we make ourselves larger and the whole gets proportionally smaller.

[Tom]

And we also give that person a.

[Pat]

Kind of immortality because they are now living on the best parts of them.

[Adam]

Are now living us.

[Pat]

Holy moly. Can you imagine how powerful that is, what he's talking about? But, you know, before we. Before we go to the other side, what the other side was saying about this while we're sitting there yesterday, I remember I interviewed Charlie in 2017, eight years ago, when he was. Because Matt Zappalo's in the car. He's like, I remember he used to always talk about Charlie Kirk. Pay attention to this guy. He's going to be a president. So you were saying that seven, eight years ago. I'm like, who is this Charlie Kirk guy? I don't know who this Charlie Kirk, guys, He says. And then I finally, the more and more and more I followed, I realized how big he was, how big of a deal he was becoming. And then obviously, at this point, Charlie being where he's at, and I'm like, wait a minute. Oh, right there. When is the interview, Rock?

[Tom]

June 21st of 2017, when I uploaded it.

[Pat]

Can you. Can you pull up? So pull up.

[Adam]

That's six months after Trump took office.

[Pat]

Do you have the one which is the whole interview? What? Which channel are you on?

[Tom]

VT Main.

[Pat]

Yeah. I mean, that's the interview. I found it somewhere. Apparently, you don't have it there. I think I found it somewhere here.

[Vinnie]

Rob, look at how young he is. Can we see, like, how.

[Pat]

Oh, man. That conversation was. That conversation was. But I'm looking. I want you to see the opening, and I don't think that's the opening.

[Vinnie]

No, it's not.

[Adam]

Can we just see what it looks like?

[Vinnie]

Look how young.

[Pat]

Yeah, that's the first time Charlie and I spoke. And I. And I, you know, in my business, the business. The business I'm in, I. My job is to identify who's going to be a player in three, five, ten years.

[Vinnie]

Yes.

[Pat]

That's the business I'm in. That's what I've done the last however many years. So I just look at someone, I say, there's something very different and unique about this guy. I just found it. I just want to send you the intro to this. The first time that he and I spoke, Rob, he had a thousand people at this event. We're in Dallas. Okay, Rob, I just sent you the link. If you can just put the intro. We're in Dallas, and I see this guy, and I said, this guy's different. There's something very special about this guy. You know, you felt the energy. You felt the fact that he was not just talking, just to talk. He was really selling a vision into something he believed in. Can you open it up, Rob Audio? Yes, go ahead. So one of the things I love doing is I love meeting young cats who love capitalism. And today we're going to meet Charlie Kirk, who I think was a capitalist from the day he was born. And he's been on politics from the day probably he was born. So I'm really curious to hear your story, how you went forward there. Yeah. And I leave. I said, this guy's going to be president one day. Okay, so here's the point. I wrote one thing from my whole thing of Charlie Kirk. This is the part in life, every once in a while, you will meet somebody that is much younger than you, but you'll know immediately this person calibrates at a much more mature level than you. This is what you. When you say age doesn't matter, you feel maturity, you feel wisdom, you feel leadership, you feel a certain level of determination and seriousness that gets you to look past the person being 23. And he said, I don't really care about the age. The way the guy carries himself is unbelievable. How many people. One of the pastors gets up on stage and he says, one day, Charlie Kirk calls me and he says, I want you to mentor me and I want you to teach me everything you know about the Bible. And he says. I said, how is that even possible? The smartest guy I know is telling me that I'm a teacher. What am I going to be able to teach you? Right. I don't know. Whatever the.

[Adam]

I think it was Frank.

[Pat]

I think it was Frank. Yeah. Who said that? Right. And then J.D. vance, the vice president, which by the way, for a split second he held it. He paused for five seconds. He was about to break down. And he says, you know, Charlie last week calls me and he's coming back from Korea and he says, there's some things I want to talk to you about that we have to improve with our relationship in Korea. And he says, the one phone call of a guy I would call to ask him for advice, I can no longer make that phone call. And that's Charlie Kirk. This is the vice President talking about calling a 31 year old to get his advice. Yeah, Charlie was that guy. Charlie was not 31 years old physically. He may have been 31 years old, but the way he knew history, the way where his heart was, his faith was, the guy was a real life philosopher, pastor, all combined in one person that we got a chance to witness. And by the way, while this is going on, Van Jones. Okay, Who? Many would look at Van Jones and say, van Jones is a Obama guy. Van Jones at one point was tied to politically, to some people said some communism, you know, maybe he said himself, I'm a communist.

[Tom]

And then he said, I've rolled off that. That's right, that's right.

[Pat]

And then he all of a sudden tells a story here about Charlie Kirk, and you can tell how sincere he's being. Go ahead, Rob.

[Adam]

Charlie Kirk and I were not friends at all.

[Pat]

In fact, the last week of his.

[Adam]

Life, we were beefing hard, beefing online, beefing on air. But the day before he died, he did something that shocked me. He sent me a personal message calling.

[Pat]

For personal dialogue, wanting me to come on his show. He said we can be gentlemen together. He said we could deal with our disagreements agreeably. And in the past week and a half, just watching people talk about civil.

[Adam]

Wars and censorship and all this stuff.

[Pat]

Coming out of his death, I just thought it was important to let people know, don't put that on Charlie Kirk. Because the last day of his life.

[Adam]

He was reaching out to have, not.

[Pat]

More censorship, more conversation, more dialogue with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries. Me.

[Adam]

And I just want to share that with the world.

[Pat]

And I hope that maybe it might Help somebody on both sides deal with issues more like he did. Tom.

[Tom]

Well, I think Van Jones there. First of all, Van, you watch us. I know you're watching. Thank you for being honest, and thank you for positioning your response like that. That was a standup thing you did after you received a standup message. And I think he's right. You know, when I read this past week that Charlie said to somebody, he said, we have to be careful when the conversation stops. That's when the violence starts. And he's talking about civil disobedience and rioting and things when that conversation stops. And so Van's bringing that up. And I think this is exactly why you have to have the conversations, because what was conversation? Conversation isn't for two people to come to the table, have a coffee, and then not move an inch. A conversation is so there can be some understanding and there can be some new understanding and learning and together saying, I didn't know this. I didn't know that. And this is where I think some of the, like, the vitriol that I catch and people on this podcast and elsewhere catch from the hard left, they seem to think I'm evil. I just think that they're not correct, and we need to talk about it. And that's the difference. I see. And I love the fact that Van went out and showed people this and said the words, don't put that on Charlie Kirk, which I thought was a way to lower the temperature at a time where we need it lowered pattern.

[Pat]

Yeah, I thought so as well. Adam, your thoughts?

[Adam]

Well, respect to Van Jones for being honest, because, you know, there's this whole concept out there. We're gonna own the libs, bro. We're gonna dunk on these guys. We're gonna show them what's going on. Or on the other side, it's like, he's evil. He's Hitler. Let's all just agree on the basic foundation of who we are as Americans, as humans, we all want the same thing. We all want the best for our family. We all want the best for ourselves.

[Pat]

We.

[Adam]

We all want to do good things in this world. And then you can take exceptions to this rule. This person's a horrible person. This person's a horrible person. Erica Kirk, in a moment that galvanized I believe, the country, I would hope forgave the person that murdered her husband. That's something that I will go to the well in time and time again, at a time where it's so easy to be angry. Or what's the. What's the next word desire. I'm going to show you what's going on to give grace and empathy and compassion and kindness and respect. You think that just came, that lived in a vacuum? Or did she get that from Charlie? And did Charlie see himself beefing with Van Jones and say, you know what, man, let's just talk about this a little bit. This concept of grace and being, being able to disagree without being disagreeable is such an important concept. Last point that I just want to bring up. You talked about President Trump, and he said that Charlie was a master builder. Right? So in my opinion, Charlie Kirk would have been the next president, and he would have been a better president than Donald Trump. Why? Trump said the following. He goes, charlie wasn't concerned with money. You said, he said he was more about meaning than money. He said he was more about his mission than money. You talked about how. I think it was Sergio Gore, who's in the Trump inner circle, he said that Trump is transactional. And the quote you said about Dick Cheney, Trump wrote the book the Art of the Deal.

[Pat]

No, no, no. You said Trump is transactional.

[Adam]

I think Trump is transactional.

[Pat]

You're saying that. I'm saying not Sergio Gore. Sergio.

[Adam]

No, no, no.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Adam]

I'm saying, right. Trump is transactional.

[Pat]

Okay. Your opinion is. Trump is transactional. Okay.

[Adam]

I. He wrote the book the Art of the Deal. Everything's a deal. Everything's a deal. If you say nice things about me, you're my friend. If you say mean things about me, we're enemies. He said, I hate my enemies. These are Trump's quotes. Charlie didn't care about money. He cared about his mission.

[Vinnie]

Trump.

[Adam]

I don't think Charlie was transactional. Is that what he said? Charlie was not saying that.

[Pat]

Charlie's not transactional.

[Adam]

Correct. That's what I'm saying. I think Trump, I think Charlie would have been Trump, but better with sympathy and with principles and, and without, dare I say it, corruption.

[Pat]

Okay, sorry, go ahead, Vin.

[Vinnie]

I was going to say.

[Pat]

Are you, are you going to respond.

[Vinnie]

To what he just said? Well, first, and I, when you said, Adam, because I have to disagree. When you said we all want what's good for our families and we all. What's good for the country. That's. I think that's the far from the truth. Because the other side, I hate having to go this side and this side, show me an example of how they're pro family and the country and the. Because everything that they've showed us to this point, Adam, from opening the borders to all the children getting abused, to pro abortion, to pro violence, to celebrating murder. I don't see it. I do respect what Vance Jones did, but what is he going to do with it? Because it always seems like these people go and they have this moment of light. They see the light and then they jump right back because he's supposed to take that. I'm happy he's saying it, but. But what are you going to do with it? Are you going to try to convince your side that the other side isn't evil, we're not Nazis, we're not crazy? It's just take it. And what are you going to do with it? Because what I'm seeing and Adam saying that Charlie would have been. I mean, it's your opinion. Better than Trump. Nobody, nobody, I don't think ever is going to go through what Trump went, meaning before he even got in the spying, Obama, Brennan, deep state, everything, collusion. Trump had to go through hell and back to get to this point where I could see where he's on stage going. I'm not agreeing with it, but he knows the left was watching him. He knows. That's why he's like, I hate my enemies. I'm not going to forgive my enemies. So my point is being, Adam, the other side has to understand. They have to have a moment. Something has to happen with the left besides realizing you guys are losing something spiritually, Adam, and has to connect with these people because they're not jumping off the train. They're staying on the same rhetoric. That's negativity and it's anti America and it's anti us.

[Adam]

So I have one question for you.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

What do you mean by the other side?

[Vinnie]

The other side. Meaning let's do this?

[Pat]

Yeah, let's do this. Wait, let me respond to the Charlie thing. Then let's go to the other side because we got a bunch of clips to go through. The comment you made. I think it's a little bit of an unfair comment, but let me give my thoughts on why I think that is. And then I actually like that you said that because it's a good conversation to have. To me, I think Lincoln was the right guy for that time. I think Reagan was the right guy for that time. I think John F. Kennedy was the right guy for that time. I don't think anybody could have done what Trump did to face the criticism and had the authority and the swagger to pull up and get there. You got to realize, yes, we're giving a lot of love to Charlie and he deserves every Ounce of it. Yes. We're giving a lot of love to all the people that spoke there, but one guy put him up there, and I was Trump. Without Trump, we don't know Charlie. It's not the other way around. First comes the prophet, the guy that was willing to go to war and had the audacity and fearlessness who inspired Charlie's to get behind him. You know, what did they say? The chicken. What is the chicken?

[Tom]

Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?

[Pat]

The first came Trump. Okay? That is a historical figure that came and then came. I'm gonna go fight for him, and I'm gonna go get all these states and places for him. When he says, Charlie would call me sometimes and he would say, Mr. President, can you be in Arizona tomorrow? What? What are you talking about? Tomorrow? You're giving me one day. These people need to hear from you. And sometimes I'm like, this guy is crazy. But I would have to go for it. Why? Because he did so much for us. Right? He did so much more. So now, as much as you're saying transactional, I. There's a part of me, I got a phone call, you know, from someone that said, pat, I wonder if it's all business with you. Right? Is it all business with you? It's a fair question to ask. It's not a. It's not a. I don't take it as an insult. I take it as. Yeah, I can see how that. That's what it could look like if it was only transactional. Why is Dana White still in his life 20 something years later? How much money has he made off of Dana White? Why are so many of these guys still doing what they're doing? Was there an element of transactional? Sure. Was there an element of that that happens in business? Yes. Are some of those people you don't want to be in business with again? Yes. But I think Trump is a once in a lifetime type of guy who built master builders. There are master builders, then there is the guy that built master builders. Trump is the guy that built a ton of master builders. Trump created careers for people. Trump put people on the limelight with podcasts, with shows, with writing, with politics. Trump gave camera and eyeballs to people who have never gotten it before. That's the difference. But if you're going back to saying, you know, when the one part of the event which was like such a boom, it just hits you, is the comment JD Vance made when he says, I have not talked about Jesus more in my lifetime than I have in the last two weeks, and that's because of Charlie. Charlie brought God back into the center stage. Charlie's bringing that back. That's going to be Charlie's movement, which I don't think we got with the president, which I don't think we got, but I don't think that's him. I don't think he needs to be that guy. I do think we're going to get to a point that somebody in the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years a President's going to come, that they're going to open things up with a prayer. Hey, before we do this, can I pray for everybody? Yeah. Heavenly Father, you know, I pray for you. I see that's coming up. And I do think that's going to be inspired by Charlie. And by the way, as crazy as it sounds, I think Charlie's gonna increase the calibration and the level of consciousness of America. Higher to love. Yeah, but in that moment of what Trump has done the last eight years, no, the guy is a very, very unique guy. Now, having said that, if you do want to rebuttal, too, before I go.

[Adam]

Into some of these things, look, it doesn't benefit me to disagree with Pat publicly, but sometimes I do. Here's where I'm gonna disagree with you, sir. Trump's 80 years old, almost. Charlie is 31 at his death. You talk about apples to apples. One of the things I love about Pat, he goes, let's go there. Imagine Charlie, 40 years from now, what kind of momentum he would have, what kind of things he would have done with his life. When Charlie started Turning Point, it was in 2012, four years before Trump even thought about running for president. And he started this with. With. With. With purpose, with the meaning, with a mission. And look what he accomplished at 31. At 31, respectfully, Trump was building buildings. Charlie built a movement. So in my opinion, in 40 years from now, at the rate Charlie was going, he would have been bigger, better, and more wonderful than Trump.

[Pat]

40 years. I'm just saying, in general, 40 years.

[Adam]

Yeah. We can't compare Charlie at 31 to Trump at 80. I'm saying. I'm saying the trajectory he was on.

[Pat]

Adam, he would have been there. Adam. So. So let me tell you how this works. Sometimes a person thinks they're famous. Like, for example, sometimes there are people that hang with a guy like Trump, let's just say. And everywhere Trump goes, there's cameras, and Trump's got four or five people around his, around the circle who have never had this many eyeballs. This Isn't just Trump. This can be said about many different people. Right. But in this context, I'm just using Trump. Out of these five guys that are around Trump, that are getting more eyeballs than ever in their lives, how many of them are grateful for it, knowing they're getting it because of Trump? How many of them are thinking, no, it's not because of Trump, it's because of me? How many?

[Adam]

I would. Out of the five.

[Pat]

Out of the five.

[Adam]

I would say four out of the five think that, and they'd be wrong.

[Pat]

Four out of the five think that. It's them. It's not true.

[Adam]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat]

I'm with you. So here's where I'm going with.

[Adam]

Charlie's the one guy that says, I.

[Pat]

Owe my hundred percent. And where I'm going to is what this guy did for 70 years is what prepared for the Republican Party to get the eyeballs. That is getting. Because ever since Trump was a kid, no matter where he went, cameras followed him. They wanted. So what I'm saying to you is he brought this. He made a lot of the conservative players celebrities.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Purely by association, not the other way around.

[Adam]

I agree.

[Pat]

But you're right. And I do think. And my part with this is I feel like I wanted to see the finished product with Charlie. That's the part that maybe I don't. Maybe I speak on behalf of some people. Maybe I speak. I'm just speaking for myself. But if you relate, you relate. I really wanted to see what this guy was gonna do, but God's got bigger plans, and I trust him more than I trust anybody else, and we're gonna see what's gonna be happening with it. But I understand the argument you're making. For sure, he would have been a. He would have been a once in a lifetime type of talent. But Trump was the reason why a lot of this came.

[Adam]

I'm giving Trump infinite respect. I'm simply saying, apples to apples, if Charlie kept a trajectory he was on.

[Pat]

No question he would have been bigger.

[Adam]

Who else on that stage? Name one other person.

[Pat]

We talked about it yesterday. I mean, I wrote about it. We were talking about on the flight back.

[Adam]

Can I address something that Vinnie talked about on the people on the other side? The other side.

[Pat]

Can we play these clips? Okay, so, Rob, you got quite a few clips here of what people are saying. You can start off with Ilhan Omar, because Ilhan Omar, folks, the moment you watch this, you're going to need a blood pressure pill. You may need a Tylenol, but don't take it if you're pregnant because, you know, they're, they're making some announcements. President Trump and Maha is going to make some announcements. So before you take Tylenol, please watch the announcement that they're making today. Tylenol just took a massive hit, but just woo for a second while you hear this motivational speaker from the left. Go ahead.

[Jasmine Crockett]

It was the video where it called him Dr. Frankenstein and said his monster shot him through the neck. I mean, obviously, this is a person. And looking at this, this is someone who was a husband and a father. And in the days after his shocking death, that happened as a result of his views or happened as a result, as he was sharing his views publicly with people, that people found it jarring to hear such criticism of that in the immediate aftermath. What I find jarring is that there are so many people willing to excuse the most reprehensible things that he said, that they agree with that, that they're willing to have monuments for him, that they want to create a day to honor him, and that they want to produce resolutions in the House of Congress honoring his life and legacy. It is one thing to care about his life because obviously so many people loved him, including his children and wife. But I am not going to sit here and be judged for not wanting to honor any legacy this man has left behind. That should be in the dustpin of history and we should hopefully move on and forget the hate that he spewed every single day.

[Adam]

Unbelievable.

[Vinnie]

Is it unbelievable?

[Adam]

Is it unbelievable?

[Pat]

So that's one. Yeah. Okay. Rob Crockett, who is possibly a candidate for 2028. I know people joke about it.

[Vinnie]

Hopefully she.

[Pat]

But I'm telling you, she's a candidate for 2028. Rob, is this the clip with her with Dana Bash?

[Tom]

This is where they talk about the resolution to honor Charlie Kirk. And her response, why she was upset by it.

[Pat]

Go for it.

[Jasmine Crockett]

Came before the House this past week honoring Charlie Kirk, and there were 58 Democrats who voted against the it. You were one? Yeah. Why? Absolutely. You know what? One of the things I do want to point out that's not been laid out, that honestly hurts my heart, is when I saw the no votes, there were only two Caucasians for the most part. The only people that voted no were people of color because the rhetoric that Charlie Kirk continuously put out there was rhetoric that specifically targeted people of color. And so it is unfortunate that even our colleagues could not see, see how harmful his rhetoric was specifically to us. And I can tell you that a month prior to him passing away. He had actually gotten out on his podcast. I wasn't aware of this at the time, but he got out there and he was talking negatively about me directly. So if there was any way that I was going to honor somebody who decided that they were just going to negatively talk about me and proclaim that I was somehow involved in the great white replacement. Yeah, I'm not honoring that kind of stuff, especially as a civil rights attorney and understanding how I got to Congress knowing that there were people that died, people that were willing to die, that worked to make sure that voices like mine could exist in this place. So to me, just like we wanted to make sure.

[Pat]

Vinnie, thoughts?

[Vinnie]

Well, first of all, she has multiple personality syndrome, because you could. Like, that's not how she speaks when she's in front of a different crowd. Yeah, child. She turns it. She lets her get completely different person. Rob, I sent you another clip. Look at this. This is just a quick montage of this interview.

[Jasmine Crockett]

Want to play a couple of statements that you made earlier this year? Okay.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jasmine Crockett]

Unfortunately, we have someone that is occupying the White House. And as far as I'm concerned, he is an enemy to the United States. They want to show that they are loyal to this. You know, I don't even know what to call him. I've called him so many things, but this wannabe Hitler, for sure.

[Vinnie]

Hitler enemy.

[Jasmine Crockett]

And to be clear, the president has attacked other people. Have attacked you.

[Vinnie]

She has to piggyback off of it.

[Jasmine Crockett]

Maybe not him personally, but do you have a responsibility as an elected official not to raise the temperature, but rather lower the temperature, Particularly when there are people out there who listen to elected officials all over the place who are not well, who use that as a way to instigate the political violence that you are calling out. I think that my responsibility is to be transparent and to be honest. And the reality is that we are living in a time in which this administration and this regime is not interested in making sure that people understand history. We need to understand why they are so problematic. Problematic. And so I am using that language because it is accurate language. When we see the consolidation of power.

[Vinnie]

You hear the words. You heard the three regime, Hitler, all those type of rhetoric. So, Adam, what I'm. When I say, when you're asking to go back, which side? This is the side. This is the. And I. And I was. Remember yesterday when I was asking, like, how many. What's the percentage of Democrats that are openly professing their faith, that love God, that say that they're Christians? I'M just, I'm very curious because I don't hear it at all. 0 from the Obamas to the Hillary's to Jasmine Crockets to all these people. So, Adam, when you ask what side the Obama, Hillary Crockett, the podcasters, the streamers, the left wing media, James Comey, Pritzker, Newsom. I don't feel personally that this side has any compassion. They don't have any love. They are godless. They've taken out God completely. I've yet to hear one of them say thank God or pray for Charlie or pray for his wife. And it is that side and my job, Adam, I can't even get mad. I truly and Eric is a great example. I have to pray. That's the hardest thing I told Pat last night while we were on the plane. I get a message from a guy named Todd, not going to say his last name. The message was like this, hey, don't know if this is still your number and I'm going to take out all the cuss words. But you know what? F you. You what you were in California with you drug you women womanizer. F you and Charlie and hey, you're orange, blah, blah blah. Adam, you know what old Vinnie would have done? Voice message, FaceTime. I would have gone in I block, I deleted my. I felt my blood pressure going up. But that's the, that's what the other side wants. And I don't see the love, Adam. I don't see the compassion. So when I say the other sides as much as Tommy, we have to pray for them, Pat. It's not getting through their head. So when there is a clear divide, it's like we could keep preaching, we could keep hoping like a Van Jones. That's what Charlie did, is reached out and it hit Van Jones and he got to see it and his team actually let him know Van didn't see a pat. His team goes, hey, just FYI, this is what happened because they're not open. They're not. They're not looking for it. So what do you do, Adam, when you have that side, that's what the other there's good, Adam, and there's evil. And you have to call it out.

[Pat]

By the way, a clip to show Adam, I'm going to come to you. This is a clip, Rob, I sent you depicting on how one side responds when there's a loss or an assassination attempt versus the other side. Go ahead, Rob. Wow.

[Vinnie]

Wow.

[Pat]

Why is that?

[Vinnie]

You tell me why is that? Please tell me.

[Pat]

Why are you doing that? That's nypd.

[Vinnie]

That's New York. Hold on. Look at that.

[Pat]

Look at the top. Celebrating the life. No burning flags.

[Vinnie]

Ceiling.

[Pat]

Loving America. Everybody was peaceful one more time.

[Vinnie]

All day.

[Pat]

I can't. I'll pause it right there. Go ahead, Adam.

[Adam]

So you're right in many respects, and I. But I do want to give a caveat. Everything you said about the. The politicians, the podcasters, the media, you're right.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

They're driving the divide in America. But I don't have the luxury of labeling, quote, unquote, 100 million people in America, the other side, as evil. And I'll tell you why.

[Vinnie]

I didn't say all of them are evil.

[Adam]

I know. I'm just saying this is me.

[Tom]

No, I think all my friends to kind of toss back at Vinnie there, but make your point.

[Adam]

Excuse me?

[Tom]

I think you made the premise to toss back at Vinnie, but go ahead and make your point.

[Adam]

Are you hosting the show right now? What are you doing right now?

[Tom]

You don't like the statement?

[Pat]

Toss back. What, Tom? What did he toss back?

[Tom]

He was saying he opened it up, which I think was drawing a line on Vinnie's point. And I'm saying make your point. You said that's not what I was doing. I don't have the luxury of taking 100 million people and calling them the other side.

[Vinnie]

And.

[Tom]

And you were, I think, throwing that at Vinnie. I don't think that was Vinnie was doing. I'm just saying I don't think that's what he was doing. But make your point.

[Adam]

It's happening right now.

[Pat]

Yeah. Go ahead, Tom.

[Adam]

Respectfully, let me address Vinnie. Thank you. You're calling. This is so funny.

[Pat]

Go ahead, Tom. You good?

[Tom]

I'm. I'm very good.

[Pat]

Okay, good.

[Adam]

Are you, though?

[Pat]

Yes, Adam, go ahead.

[Adam]

I thought I was talking to Vinnie, but I don't know what happened here, but. Love you, Tom. Let me address Vinnie. I agree with you. Everything you're saying on the democratic side of things, the politicians, the podcasters, these people are what I would call representatives. They're not here to be synergists. And it's equal on both sides, whether it's aoc, whether it's Jasmine Crockett, whether it's Rashida Tlaib, whether it's Ilhan Omar. I think it's discussed. You could say the same for the Marjorie Taylor Greene's. You could say for the Lauren Boeberts. You could say for the same for the Anna Paulina Luna, who I actually think is awesome. These are representatives. They represent a Very small district. And the way that they get eyeballs is to inflame people. What they say is, you know, senators, Senate is the cooling sauce for America. You don't see senators as much as representatives doing this because they have a bigger constituency. You don't see governors doing this at times. You tend to see presidents sometimes, like Trump, who. But they need to calm the flames right here. I'm with you. That there's a large contingency on the left and right that stokes the flames and gets eyeballs because their constituency is this big, right. And a lot of them are anti white, anti Christian, anti male. And it's disgusting. And we can address that. That's a, That's a big thing, this country. What I was talking about, not having the luxury of being like, I'm not saying you're saying this. I think you were talking about the politicians and the podcasters. But the luxury of this. My mom's a Democrat. My friends are Democrats. Like, people in my circle are Democrats. I have a lot of Republican friends. I have a lot of Democrat friends. What I'm trying to do is say, when we say the other side, let's be specific to talk about what we mean. And I think that's what you meant, because there's people in my life who will be like, dude, I like your show, but do you hate me because I'm a Democrat? I'm like, no, not. But you keep saying that I'm the devil and I'm evil. Like, no, bro, like, we're talking about this. So what I'm saying is, let's not conflate Democrats or liberals to the far left woke mob and the politicians that represent them.

[Vinnie]

But, but, but from what I've been seeing, it's not just the far, Adam. I'm seeing family members. I'm seeing people where the veil has come completely off. And it's not just a small little fringe of the far left. Adam, a lot I'm talking about a lot of these people are showing their true colors. And at the end of the day, and I've said this on other shows, what are they standing on when you say the Democratic Party? What are their principles? What are their morals? What do they care about? Because if I'm just an outsider looking in, they're not. Adam, I'm not talking about, like your mom, Democrats that are nice and they're sweet and they're like, I don't like what's happening. I'm talking about the majority of them. If, God forbid, something happens to Trump, they're going to change cheer in the streets. They're cheering right now for Charlie. They're mad that the border is closed. Adam. When we're trying, when Trump or whoever is trying to save, like, unborn children, they're like, how dare you? It's my body, my choice. But when it comes to the vaccine, they're like, shut up. Your body. It's our choice, the government's choice. We get to put in you whatever we want. So I understand, I'm not lumping them all together, but just a vibe. I want a vibe check of the other. What are they doing to come, Adam? Because the Marjorie Taylor Greens, the Donald Trumps, they didn't ask for this smoke. The moment this guy came in, it was, you destroy him. Well, they gotta fight for.

[Adam]

Let's, let's Trump is who they vilified.

[Vinnie]

But the whole.

[Adam]

They didn't go after Marjorie.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, but Marjorie Taylor Green is a soldier in the fight for Adam. Because at the end of the day, yes, she's angry. They all have different walks of their life, of their faith, whatever. But, Adam, how many times can our side get pushed and labeled? And guess what? We have the Stephen Millers and we have the people that are like, hey, enough is enough. And they're fighting with their voices at them. They're not sniping people. They're not burning down churches, they're not killing each other. They're not beating up and killing cops. There's a whole difference.

[Tom]

No, exactly. You're exactly right.

[Pat]

I want to hear. Tom, Go ahead, Tom.

[Tom]

You're exactly right. And this started. You brought up something. And what you brought up, you said, where was a Democrat or someone on the left that was willing to be there, even in the audience or speaking? Right. Because Charlie was reaching across the aisle. You see what. The note he sent to Van Jones was not unique. He reached out to many people like this. And so where were they? And you know what I marvel at? It's not Martin Luther King. It's the Reverend Martin Luther King. And he started and he was giving speeches in churches and these sweet African American people that were hoping that civil rights would bring things forward and improve things for them were in churches and their Sunday bests and then they walked down streets and they were hit with water cannon and things like this. It started in churches and it started with faith and it started with peace. And when he said, I have a dream, what was the dream about? About little boys and little girls coming to the same place and coming into a point of understanding. Well, guess what? In 2006, Ann Coulter, who I'm not comparing to Martin Luther King, she's one of many commentators, but she wrote a book that captured it in 2006 called Godless the Church of Liberalism. And it was so correct. That book is now 20 years old. But it is exactly on point with what's happened here. And you know what? You know what she needs? You know what Jasmine Crockett needs? She needs that there's no progress with civil rights. Because that is, I keep saying it, that's her blankie. She needs that. She needs to be angry about that because they need to be victims. And victims need to take to the streets against your oppressors. And that's the reaction that they push for. And so we counter with love. And when I say the we, I'm saying the collective we. The, the people that want to put faith as their foundation, reasonableness, dialogue as their foundation and come out and say, let's have a conversation about this. They need civil rights to be. Oh, it's going in reverse. It's danger. They have to have danger, danger, bad person, bad person. You know, go to the streets, overthrow. Because liberalism is a victim based, feeling driven religion unto itself. And that's where it is. And so Stephen Miller is right. We've had enough of this. We can't have the victim. This we have to be we the people reaching out for all people reaching across aisles. But Jasmine Crockett wants none of that. She wants the anger to continue. She needs the anger to continue. Unfortunately, and I'm not commentating. This is by her own lips. This is by her own lips. And so you Dana Bash, who's been hit, boy, Dana Bash, if you're on a highlight reel for the last year she's had some interviews where have gone really kind of weird. I'm not picking on her. But in this one she kind of sat up and said don't you feel that you have something here? And was trying to do it. But guess what? There was no. Well, look, I think there's some balance. There is none of that.

[Pat]

Okay, so then I got a follow up question for you. So George Soros story comes out with Politico gave 10 million auto check for California for redistricting campaign. That's totally fine. You want to give money for that? Totally. Get it. Keep the state 4824 when it comes down to Congress representatives. Fine. However, the Daily Caller does a story saying explosive report alleges George Soros doled doled out $80 million to leftist group glorifying terrorism and violence. Okay, Rob, if you want to go to the story, I don't think you have a video on this. I'll just read the story and then I'll come back to you. And I have question for all of you. Okay, so this is George Soros. Billionaire mega donor George Soros has funneled more than $80 million to organizations that praise terrorists or urge protect violence in America, according to a new report by Capital Research center crc. The report said that through his Open Society foundation that distributed tens of millions of dollars to groups that engage in or endorse actions that meet the FBI's definition of domestic terr. So again, let me read. That has distributed tens of millions of dollars to groups that engaged or endorse actions that meet the FBI's definition of domestic terrorism. The revelations come as authorities investigate left wing organization for possible connection to the September 10th murder of Turning Point USA at Utah Valley University. Since 2020, Open Society foundation has given $400,000 to the center for Third World organization, which boasts its throw down with people in the streets during the George Floyd riots. CRC noted that CTwo, which is the center for Third World Organization Organizing, has consolidated radical groups into its hub, including the Ruckus Society, whose founders and training materials endorse tactics that may be outside of the law. CRC says the network also includes the Blackout Collective, which co authored a pro Hamas guide that glorifies October 7th attacks and references a Ruckus Society manual promoting tactics like property destruction and blockades. Okay, you're following it so far. What's being said? The Open Society foundation has provided $1.85 million to Dream Defenders and $18 million to Movement for Black Lives Matter, which collaborated with Blackout Collective to create the pro Hamas guide. According to CRC's report, Soros foundation has given $200,000 to dissenters. Author, coauthor of the alleged pro homas guy. So just a question for you, Tom. Is this legal to be able to do so and what are the laws of if I give money? And I'm actually really curious because Soros, his lawyers, you can have good lawyers. And I'm just thinking from the lawyer, from his lawyer. I just give money. I don't know what they're gonna do with the money. Yeah, my job is to just give money. We're just giving. We give away to hundreds of charities. They happen to do something like this. We of course don't support something like this. But they did it, Tom.

[Tom]

So it is illegal to incent violence. Number One.

[Pat]

Illegal.

[Tom]

Illegal. It's illegal to incent violence.

[Pat]

Is it illegal to give money to a charity that does?

[Tom]

Well, now you've got the slippery slope. Oh, well, our intense title of our charity doesn't mean that we're using money to buy guns. Well, I think everybody knows what's going on here with Soros. There is a reason he's not welcome in his own home country, and he's exactly what he's doing. So the legality or illegality of that says, I think that there is just a thin hairline between what he's doing and legality. But they are so careful the way they do it, from what jurisdiction and how they do it. I believe that some of the stuff is not legal because they're incenting violence. Very specifically. Very specifically. And I don't think that can possibly be legal under the constitutional framework about within freedom of speech and not incenting violence. I don't see how it can be. But he's so careful, Pat. We've seen how they give it through the dark funds and through the backdoor and through the PACs that don't have to disclose where it comes from. And then you have. He allegedly gave 400 here. You know, we know what he's all about. And so I think he's guilty because we know what he's all about. He wants to go to globalism where the world is controlled by socialist elites. That is his defined destination. He's very clear about that. And so therefore, how do you destabilize all these governments? You have to destabilize them. And what do you do with an election? I don't think so. You have to do it with violence. Wait, I've got an idea. What if I give money to district attorneys that won't prosecute people for violence? Now I can give to violence and make sure that there's, there's limited penalties. So I don't think, see how it can't be illegal. And I'd like to see some, somebody, you know, with, with some hair on their chest. And I, I don't mean that, you know, Middle Eastern. I'm not being misogynist. I mean, somebody needs to relax. Someone needs to muscle up and stand up.

[Pat]

Anybody, though, it doesn't have to be Middle Eastern. Somebody that has the brass is what you.

[Adam]

With hair on their chest.

[Tom]

Some women have about the guts and the courage to walk to the podium and say, hang on a second, we're going to investigate all these things and this stuff may be illegal. And Mr. Soros, maybe not only can you not step foot in Hungary, maybe there's a day where you don't want to step foot in the United States because you don't want to get arrested, but the goal is globalism and social elite run by social elites. And destabilization is the tool and so funding the people that cause us in the street.

[Vinnie]

And you always wonder, like, the majority of the time, how many. All the roads to me lead back to this guy. And, guys, if you watch a movie, Rob, like a movie, you're like, who's the bad guy? Rob, can you put that. Zoom in on the one on the left. Like, look at the face. That's the face. When people are like, okay, who's.

[Adam]

I would think Klaus Schwab over him, but he's there.

[Vinnie]

Klaus Schwab is bad, but. Because he's that guy. But that, like, every time you figure out who's paying, who is giving this guy money, who was doing this, and these are the people that want to destroy the country. But you. You know what I don't want. They keep hinting. Trump was hinting at it. Trump got the tweet about Pam Bond, like, hey, Pam, I'm getting messages from people that are saying, you're not going after all these people. And then he kind of is nice to her. We want accountability. And I keep hearing this guy's name. I keep hearing the destructive behavior. They'll giving the money. Let's call a spade a spade. We know what he's doing, and we know. Radom, you want to talk about hating America? That's the guy. That's the guy. And guess what? His son. Seems to me that he's going to be carrying the torch when he's done. But that's the face.

[Pat]

All I'm trying to find out is, so you got the crockets, you got all these guys that are there, right? Okay. And then you got the guy from the top that's given money. Like, you heard the. The one lady that was giving a speech. It's like, well, Charlie one day came to me, and she said, he knew he wanted $50,000 started. I'm like, you go raise half, I'll give you the other half within two days. He comes back saying, I raise a 25. He gets to 25. And now millions. We've given him millions of dollars, right? So, yes, there is people that you're going to go and raise money with and people who give money.

[Tom]

Rebecca Dunn.

[Pat]

Yeah. People who give money. Why do they give money? You give money to a Charity either because you believe in the charity, you give money to a charity because you have certain things that you like to happen, or you give money to charity because you want to be involved in certain things that's gonna happen. You're gonna sit at this table, you're gonna be at this thing. These are different kind of things that they're doing. I'm trying to find out if somebody is given this kind of money that's leading to protesting and rioting and destroying the streets. Why don't we crack down on that, Tom? Why don't we crack down on the person that's funding all the protests and the riots that are taking place?

[Tom]

I think the problem is, and I'd love to get a constitutional scholar here, and I can dive in even deeper. So why was it important for Trump to call? Remember when he called the cartels foreign terrorist organization ftos? Right. Cuz now you're an enemy of the United States whose pen can now go after you?

[Vinnie]

Donald Trump.

[Tom]

Donald Trump. Can he send helicopters over there with the cooperation of the foreign government, to go blow up your drug lab or.

[Vinnie]

Your drug boat or.

[Tom]

Exactly. Or maybe something on Mexican soil if you had cooperation. So that's illegal, Pat, and you're an enemy of the United States. The problem is domestic terrorism. There is no that I'm aware of a legal way to say, well, you're a domestic terrorist. Other than words. There's not a law that says domestic terrorism. You can't fund it. And then they say, well, I'm funding freedom of speech. And if some of them get out of hand and light a fire in the middle of the street and burn a flag, that's freedom of expression. So, Pat, they kind of hide behind it. I think there's a difference between foreign terrorist organizations, which we did with the cartels and domestic terrorist organization. And I think that there's a caution. Here's my speculation. If I'm president and I'm on the right and I call you a domestic terrorist organization now, I can take action against you. I'm only six seconds from the next election. Totally. And then him saying all conservative churches are now domestic terrorist organizations. And I don't think we want to put that law at the hand of a partisan pen because the pendulum will swing back and forth like it has on this freedom of speech things. When the Democrats didn't go to boomerang safety training and are getting hit by the same boomerang they were throwing, asking to cancel Trump.

[Pat]

So I asked this question, what if you give money to A charity that commits violence. If you go a little bit lower, there is an article under US law, 18 USC, and then it gives the whole details of what the number is. It's a crime to knowingly provide material support, money, training and resources to a group that engages in terrorism or violence.

[Vinnie]

Knowingly. So you were right. Knowingly so he could play dumb.

[Pat]

So then you have to, you have to, you have to prove knowingly right. Material support includes donations, equipment, or even services. If a donor knows the organization commits or plans violence, they can face prosecution unknowing support. If you give to a large foundation, another charity, and you have no knowledge of what they're going to be doing with it, you're not criminal held liable. So this the part where a good lawyer will defend you and say, no, I didn't know that this was taking place because it's going to continue happening. Let me tell you, it's going to continue happening. The fact that nothing happened this Sunday, I am so surprised. Whether you want to give credit. Cops were everywhere, Secret Service everywhere, military everywhere. Everywhere you went, you saw guys with the black glasses. Everywhere you look, left and right.

[Vinnie]

A lot of cases.

[Pat]

Adam, thoughts on this? Before we move on, George Soros and.

[Adam]

His whole organization needs to be looked into and hopefully held accountable. Dismantled at the most. Because, you know, and we can play this clip. Charlie Kirk talks about the difference between liberals and. And leftists, right? There's liberals, there's progressives, there's leftists, there's the far left, there's the radical left, then there's communists and there's Marxists. I'll ask you where you think George Soros falls and who he contributes to. Just like there's conservatives, just. There's like the Republicans and then there's white nationalists and KKK in the far right. You know, we, we got to be careful with painting with broad strokes. But if we're going to label the KKK domestic terrorist and neo Nazis domestic terrorists, what's the, what's the left version of that? Antifa. Whatever Soros has contributed to. So let's not play this game of like, oh, I didn't know what I was. You know, exactly what you're doing. They all show up with the exact same sign, with the exact same protest, with the Free Palestine, with the blm. And they want to see America burn and they want to take down the West. And we can't just sit here and capitulate and be like, free freedom of speech, bro. He needs to be held accountable.

[Pat]

Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, to Me, I'm just trying to see if it's allowed. And you keep doing it. Guess what? This is not going to stop. But if they investigate and they see that there is intent and you know what's happening, then there's a different conversation. Tom, let's talk about the H1B visa. Okay. Were you going to say something?

[Tom]

Well, I found. I just quickly chat GPT this on an FTO's foreign terrorist organization. There is no domestic counterpart for a foreign terrorist organization. So it's not illegal to provide material support unless you know that violence is going to take place. And there's no legal mechanism at any level, state, congressional, or executive executive president, to define domestic terrorist organization. Applying a label would require a change in federal law related to First Amendment privileges.

[Pat]

Oh, wow.

[Tom]

So there it is.

[Adam]

That's what I.

[Tom]

And by the way, if you change that, guess what? What? Every president, based on what sign they're on, could start defining his enemies for sure.

[Pat]

Enemies. Okay. So Trump imposes $100,000 fee on H1B visa applications. And a lot of people are not happy. Okay. And people in Mumbai, some people in Bombay.

[Vinnie]

All the people that video did with.

[Adam]

The video, those guys in the airplane video.

[Pat]

Can I.

[Adam]

Can I. Raj and all his homies.

[Pat]

I didn't want to upset your friends. I'm just reading a story, guys. I'm just. You guys don't upset Tomkins. So. President Donald Trump is expected to sign an executive action on Friday that would impose $100,000 application fee for H1B visas. I've gotten so many minutes because of this, of people that are upset with this, an effort to curb overuse of the program. A White House official told CNN the executive action plan claim that abuse of H1B visa pathway has displaced US workers and will restrict entry under the program unless accompanied by payment. The official said the move marks the latest in a series of efforts from the administration to crack down on immigration and could significantly impact industries that could heavily depend on H1B workers. The H1B visa is a work visa that's valid for three years and can be renewed for another three years. Here's President Trump talking about it. Go ahead, Mr. President.

[Vinnie]

It seems like there's two categories of visa programs. The H1B a lot of people believe take American jobs, and then the gold card in programs like EB5 that add value in jobs to America. Is that sort of how you look at the visa program?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, ideally, look, if somebody's got the people, they're not going to want to spend $100,000 as an example on your second category. So it's not taking jobs. And we need certain, certain jobs. We need certain skill jobs that we don't have. But they won't be taking jobs because, you know, ideally, the people aren't going to want to.

[Pat]

They're not going to have America.

[Vinnie]

Right?

[Charlie Kirk]

That's right. They're really investing.

[Vinnie]

You have two categories. One, the secretary lendings, the gold card and EB5 that create jobs, add investment. And there's other ones that seem to take, you know, whether it's a J1 and O or an H1B that take us jobs.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's pretty correct. I would say that's a correct assessment. But the main thing is we're going to have great people coming in and they're going to be paying. I mean, it's wonderful to say, oh, gee, this is. We took in 25 million people that look many criminals. Jails were opened for Venezuela from many other countries, and they were let out of jail and poured into our country, our poor country. How it suffered with this composite right there.

[Pat]

Tom, thoughts?

[Tom]

Okay, so first let's break down what happened, and then let's find out why people are upset.

[Pat]

Sure.

[Tom]

And then Vinnie dug up something by a group called 4chan that they, they did in the middle of it. So let's remind that.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, yeah, I want you to.

[Tom]

That was a good. That's a very good catch. So first of all, what's happening inside the bill? The minimum wage that's payable is moving from one point to another from $60,000 to 150. Well, what does that mean? Means that, hey, I'd like to get some engineers. I found some guys that went out of ITT, a fantastic, you know, university in India. They'd like to come over here. I'm going to pay him $70,000. I should be paying them $140,000, 150,160. Why am I paying them 70? Because I'm saying I, I'll give you the job if you'll work for 70. Now, I got the engineer coming over here on an H1B. Well, guess who I didn't pay. I didn't pay Americans over here. And I mean, maybe Indian Americans are over here in educational visas that are going to convert that into a, you know, you know, a work visa of some type, not necessarily an H1B. And it's. There are people over here. But guess what I just did. I lowered my cost of making software, didn't I? Because now I got all these people on H1B. So here's what Trump is saying. They're saying if you have some incredibly special individual that you are willing to pay 150 to and then also give the government 100, that's 250 for. It's a super software architect, a super CTO or a super person. Guess what? The H1B program is here for you and you may use it. If not, then let's stop lying to the camera about that. The H1B is about diversity and opportunity. It's not. These people primarily from India, and there's a lot of people reacting, have been taken advantage of for a long time. Let me tell you my personal moral authority on this. I went to hire people when I was in Southern California running a company that had a large software lab. And guess what? People came to me and I interviewed some people and they said, but I'm sorry, you know, the H1B, can you run it through this guy? And I'm like, what are you talking about? And there is a legal organization where this gentleman had 10 and they were Indian. So I'm not picking on India, but they were, they were 10 India Engineer from Hyderabad that were gonna come, that could work for me, but, but I have to pay the company. I found out the company was gonna take 20% of the paycheck. So not only was I gonna pay $80,000 for these people, 16,000 was gonna go to this guy standing in the middle. So they were really only gonna get 64,000. What nobody is talking about is the exploitation and the placement services that have been going on. By the way, that organization was based legally with the US business license. They were not criminals, they were in San Francisco. But when you look at it on paper, the absolute conclusion is that that individual who just wants a job is being taken advantage of number one. And number two, a kid like Mark Andreessen, I think went to the University of Illinois, Champaign, Urbana. I think that's I'm correct. So you have a modern day Mark Andreessen that comes out of there and doesn't get the job. Why he's looking for 120, 130. Because that's the price for the job. And so what Trump is saying, if you really want them, you can have them, but it's going to cost you 250. And enough with this.

[Pat]

Who's not happy with it? Who's not happy with it?

[Tom]

Who's not happy with it? Is, is that is the. A lot of people from India are upset because they saw this as an avenue to get to jobs. And they were accepting.

[Pat]

Who in America is not happy with it? Not people.

[Tom]

I'll tell you who's not happy of it. The CEOs that take advantage of this talent that are now in their CFO's office saying, okay, so let's go take a look at the development costs for next year. If we hire any H1BS, we don't get them for 80 to 85,000 now, it's going to cost us 250. We better be sure who we want. So they're upset because we just cut off the cheap labor. Because, Pat, it is fakery. It's absolute fakery. Silicon Valley and anybody in America, not everybody. Organizations in Silicon Valley or in America that were. Not everybody, not throwing everybody out, that were taking advantage of this to get cheaper labor than you would get by paying available labor here in the United States are about to see their costs go up, Pat. And that's why they're upset. And a lot of people say, well, you're targeting India. Well, not really, but we're not specifically targeting India like a trade situation, but there have been a lot in India. But I'll say it now very clearly, they were being exploited, paying a lower rate, and the US Companies were taking advantage of that with lower costs, and they were taking advantage of this. And there were great engineers in America of whatever background coming out of our schools that weren't getting opportunities for this because they were there. And guess who could take advantage of it? Most the bigger companies that had the longer arms are able to lobby your thoughts.

[Adam]

Well, look, I think the average American doesn't know anything about H1B visas. And this conversation came up, I want to say, in Christmas, I thought it was a vaccine.

[Vinnie]

H1B1 was a vaccine.

[Adam]

Gotcha.

[Vinnie]

I was like, great. Another booster.

[Adam]

Great, you did it again, Vinnie. But this conversation really reached an inflection point. Steve Bannon vs Vivek Ramaswamy and then Elon Musk. And it's true. Tom's right. There are a lot of people that are exploiting this loophole. Right. The conversation that you had, I thought was very impactful. What were you on Will Kane show pbd? Yeah, I want to get your perspective on that. But there's legal immigration, there's illegal immigration. This is. We're talking about legal immigration. But we want the best and brightest from all around the world. We want people who are contributing to America, but we don't want these people replacing Americans that can also do the job. And then there's that fifty, sixty, eighty, a hundred thousand dollar, you know, in the middle that goes to the headhunters or the exploiters. Correct, the company. So I think at the end of the day, if we're going to have these people, they need to have a couple different qualifications other than the hard skills. They need to love America and want to be in America. They don't, they, they, they should be able to stay in America because there's three year increments and then they need to pay their taxes America and keep their money in America because a lot of times they come here, they're paid low wages, they take away American jobs, but then they send their money out of the country. So this doesn't help anyone but the company that's doing it and exploiting them. What are your thoughts?

[Pat]

Bbd Yeah, I mean look, I, to me it comes down to this. If this causes those jobs to be in America, where we hire an American, that's what he promised. Very simple. It was part of his 47 promise, the 20 promises that he made for being a president. So if you like it, you don't like it, he's keeping his promise on what he's doing with it, how they're going about it. The one thing about President Trump guy, you know, with this one lady messaged him, said, well, you know how this is going to affect. This isn't just about engineers. What about the nurses, you know, there's a. What, what did she say? She said, by the way, she said something. It's actually very true.

[Vinnie]

Was it the girl that I know as well?

[Pat]

Yeah, you know her as well. She used the word medical deserts. This is Heka. Medical deserts. Yeah, she's amazing. Medical deserts, right Where Rob, can you pull up medical deserts? Just type in medical deserts. Tom, I'm sure you're aware of what medical deserts are. Areas in America where we don't have enough. Go to images. If you can go to images, Rob. Well, we don't have enough help and support. If you zoom out a little bit so we can show what this is. Number of. Just go on the one. You were doing the right thing. Yeah. Healthcare deserts, county by county, number of healthcare deserts. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. From the lowest to the highest. Right? You see, there are some places where we don't have enough pharmacies or primary care providers or hospitals or hospital beds or trauma centers. And so the argument then becomes who does this affect? Does this affect the medical field? Does this affect what kind of healthcare we can provide to our. Maybe some Nurses are coming from different places on H1B visas. Maybe some people are coming. That is the only part. But this is my trust in the administration. Do you guys remember when they came out with something and then they changed it immediately within days. What was it? When he announced something, President Trump came up with something and they said, ah, you know what? We've thought about it. What was the topic? It was what they were doing in California and they were getting rid of some workers and they said, wait a minute, our farms are taking a hit and we have to find a way to make it work. Do you remember that, Rob? I don't know what it was.

[Tom]

Yeah, it was the foreign workers for deportation.

[Pat]

Right. And it was kind of like, hey, because of this, we, we are, we are deciding to do this because that's what a CEO does. You come up with a new compensation plan, you come up with a new benefits package, you come up with something new. And then all of a sudden like, oh, it broke this, it broke that, it broke this. Like one time we got a health insurance, they come in, we're going to be cheaper. We're going to be this, we're going to. This is awesome. And then all the, you know, guys are like phenomenal. You notice they didn't have a, what do you call it when you have a kid delivery, Tom? When you have the benefit of where the insurance covers if you have a child. Maternity, not maternity leave. It's the actual procedure when you go in there, it's expensive, right? When you're at the hospital. This one insurance didn't cover that.

[Tom]

Oh, C sections.

[Vinnie]

No, just the regular delivery.

[Pat]

Yeah, regular delivery. So one of our girls comes in, it's like, wait, do you know about this insurance that we got? What's that? You know, if I want to have a kid, the benefits better before. Even though this is, let's just say 20% cheaper for. But it's not for somebody that wants to have kids, you know. You know what, we got to change it to them. We want to change your health insurance again. So Trump is going to.

[Tom]

Oh, the coverage exclusion.

[Pat]

That's right.

[Tom]

That's right, that's right.

[Pat]

Yes. The Trump's. Trump's going to see this and it's going to say, let's see how the market reacts. Let's you calls us. All right, okay, so here, this is who calling. They got a good point. Can we make that adjustment? Can we make the just. Yes. And then boom, they take the next step. So I trust the fact that they'll be pivoting. But I do know this is a very sensitive issue to a lot of people, and I respect him. It was part of his promise to keep the jobs in America.

[Tom]

And by the way, he made a micro pivot yesterday or Saturday where he said, hey, to be clear, that hundred thousand dollars will not apply. It should not apply if you already have visas in motion, because you weren't planning on that.

[Pat]

Yes, I saw that.

[Tom]

So I don't want to. I don't want you to be pinched.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Adam]

Pat, let me just give you a little bit of credit for what you just said, because I don't know if everybody caught that. That is such an important component of why Trump is a good president. Hear me out as a CEO, because I see you, I have the honor of sitting next to you all the time and seeing these decisions, even on the plane yesterday, of not doubling down on bad decisions, of saying, you know what, we were wrong on that one, guys, we're going to cut. We're going to stop that agenda. We're going to actually cut off that shit. We're going to do whatever it is, and we're actually going to pivot. A lot of politicians say, well, I made the announcement. I can't go back now. I keep my word. Wink, wink. Gavin Newsom. But to reverse course and not double down on a dumb decision is so important for the leader of the country or the leader of a company. That, to me, is very important.

[Pat]

Yeah, I mean, listen, that you can't have it any other way. If you're a businessman, you're not going to make it. Your business is going to be out of business, and. And there's not much you can do about it. Now let's talk about what's going on with TikTok. Tom TikTok story is getting more and more. By the way, President Trump talked about TikTok with Charlie Case. Charlie was talking about TikTok is going to play very important role in how it helped the election. I think we got to figure something out. So Trump says she approved TikTok's deal in productive phone call. Okay. And Rob, I think you got a video on this as well, if I'm not mistaken, on the TikTok deal. Is this the one? Yes. Go for it.

[Tom]

Your call this morning with President.

[Pat]

It was great.

[Charlie Kirk]

I had a great call with President Xi. And as you know, he approved the TikTok deal. And we, we're in the process. We have some great investors, big, some of the biggest in the world, American investors, great people. And we look forward to getting that deal closed.

[Adam]

Is it fully approved?

[Pat]

The Chinese statements didn't necessarily.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I think. I think so. But when you say fully approved, I don't know what that means. We have to get. We have to get it signed. I guess there could be a formality. I found his word to be very good. President Xi and I had a long time. We talked for almost two hours and started at 8 o' clock in the morning. And I think it was a very good talk. We talked about trade, we talked about war. We talked about a lot of things. We talked about Russia, Ukraine, obviously, and Gaza, talked about a lot of subjects. It was long, it was a good call.

[Pat]

We have a very good relationship going there next year. But yeah, he visit next year. Tom. So as you're seeing this, I want to say Larry Ellison is one of the folks that's behind the deal. Yep. And I want to see that. TikTok deal gives Americans six of the seven board seats, which is an 87%. And I think is this Carol Caroline Levitt saying it. Go for it.

[Jasmine Crockett]

This deal does put America's first. And let me just be very clear. This deal means that TikTok will be majority owned by by Americans in the United States. There will be seven seats on the board that controls the app in the United States and six of those seats will be Americans in the data and privacy will be led by one of America's greatest tech companies, Oracle. And the algorithm will also be controlled by America as well. So all of those details have already been agreed upon. Now we just need this deal to be signed and that will be happening. I anticipate in the coming days making some news there. So six of the seven seats will be American.

[Pat]

Tom, what do you know about TikTok?

[Tom]

So I dove into it a little bit. If all of Those things that Ms. Levitt said come true, then this is good. So the problem is TikTok, we know, has data leakage in the back. When I say we know, it's like, I can't be absolute about this, but everyone talks about, hey, look, this is a Chinese app that there have been forensics done that is looking at other apps on your phone doing things. And we think that's dangerous. We don't think that's very safe. And so that was the whole reason that the January 25, 2025 deadline was put on by Trump. Hey, we can't have this. Well, Oracle and Silver Lake are named as people. The deal's not done yet, but Pat. But Oracle and Silver Lake is two of the Very large. Silver Lake's a large PE firm. The large organization there, Oracle gets the technical business on their servers and then the comment they made. There's three elements to it. Six to seven board seats would be American, majority owned by America, and the algorithm controlled by America. That's the crazy part of this is ByteDance algorithm to know whether it is promoting certain content to our young people or taking data and redirecting it elsewhere. Those things have to happen. And apparently the responsibility is going to be with the board and Oracle. If that truly happens, then TikTok at the president's Promise has been converted to an app that is safer and in terms of the foreign intervention. And then draw your own conclusions because, you know, X is here in the US and their algorithms sometimes are a little odd. Facebook is in the US and their algorithms are sometimes a little odd. So just because the algorithms are controlled by Americans, Pat, doesn't mean that there might not be funny business in there. But this is good. And this is part of a campaign promise. And this is the result of nine months of negotiations back and forth that goes back to that deadline that was January 2025.

[Pat]

You trust it?

[Tom]

I trust Larry Ellison, but I want to see the final part of this deal.

[Pat]

Do you trust that TikTok and China's not going to have any influence or control or even a backend access to the algorithms that they can use that we have to report to them?

[Tom]

Not to be cynical, but if Xi likes it and agrees to it, I probably still have a problem with it. I want Z to be very. Wait a minute. This wasn't the deal when you said in January you would do this. I. If he's reacting like that, then I'm going to say, okay, hey, Han, stay with that. I want that version of the contract. Yeah, but if China's happy in any way, it does give me concerns.

[Pat]

Got it.

[Adam]

Adam shut down TikTok straight up. I don't take hardline positions on much stuff. I tend to be pragmatic, moderate. For right now, I don't see the benefit of keeping TikTok in this country whatsoever. I know they're talking about, you know, they've been doing extensions and Larry Ellison, who I have immense respect for, and board seats. And the algorithm, the data. Where's the data going? In my opinion, TikTok is a national security concern, is a propaganda mouthpiece of the ccp. And what do we get for it? Free speech. Yeah, I've been permanently banned from Tick Tock because I posted a video of me interviewing Nick Fuentes and not being like, yeah, Nick, I hate everybody. You do. I say I'm pushing Nick Fuentes. So they're gonna ban me from interviewing. A conversation I had. We talk about, hey, how do you not get Shadow banned on YouTube or whatever. It's. By actually not agreeing with maybe bombastic wild takes and pushing them. Not on TikTok. They will just ban you for nothing. So social media, China, forgive me, I do not see daylight there. Well, show me one American app. Yeah, that is legal in China. I'll wait.

[Pat]

Rob, I like the poll you just ran. Rob ran a poll. What percentage of you support the ban of Adam on TikTok? 99% said they. They side with G and. And China.

[Adam]

Well, that's typical America these days, siding with she and China and Putin and other enemies. Not a real American.

[Pat]

But I will tell you, I wasn't.

[Tom]

Aware I agreed with you on anything.

[Pat]

When we had. When we had. When we had. You're so funny, Tom. When we had Charlie Kirk and Chris Coleman. Yeah, Charlie Kirk and Como on the podcast. Podcast. Charlie broke down that he reached down to. Reached out to Tick Tock and asked him, what do you want? Because I'm going to be driving TikTok and I don't know how many videos he did that got over 30 million views, but he crushed TikTok's algorithms and it helped. So help them win. Help them win. So I don't know where it's going to go here. Here's president talking about a very interesting person that's going to have control that some may or may not like it. Go ahead, Rob.

[Charlie Kirk]

A tremendous amount of money.

[Vinnie]

Billions.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, I'd rather have them. You know, they're very well known people and Larry Ellison's one of them. He's involved. He's a great guy. Michael Dell is involved. I hate to tell you this, but a man named Lachlan is involved. You know who Lachlan is? That's a very unusual name. Lachlan Murdoch.

[Pat]

Mr. Murdoch, I believe. And you should.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, you better.

[Pat]

Boy.

[Adam]

You better use Mr.

[Pat]

Boy.

[Adam]

That's his boss.

[Vinnie]

Funny so.

[Pat]

Funny so. So Lachlan Murdoch's role is what, Rob, He's.

[Tom]

They're saying he may be a board member as well as Michael Dell from Dell Computers.

[Pat]

All right, I like, I like. Let's see what happens.

[Adam]

What do you think we should do with Tick Tock? I remember you did a whole experiment on Tik Tok. Listen, break it down.

[Pat]

Owned by them. Yeah, by the way, I did the experiment and then they Adjusted my algorithm.

[Adam]

They're like, oh, he's onto us.

[Pat]

Yeah, they adjusted my algorithms afterwards. But no, I think if it's going to be owned, controlled here and no ties of reporting back end to them, and that's 100% clear, then I'm a little bit more comfortable with it.

[Adam]

You trust China?

[Tom]

What do you.

[Pat]

How much you think I trust China? Don't know.

[Adam]

We did a poll here right now, 99% of our audience. How much you think agrees with you on this?

[Pat]

I trust with our audience's decision to that sided with them to ban you on Tik Tok because I think it's better for mental clarity. But other than that, you know, it's, it's a different story. All right, so let's go into a city. Let me see if I'm going to go to this one. Okay, this one. I'm really curious to know what some of you guys will say about this. So Jimmy Kimmel. All right, Jimmy, Jimmy. So Jimmy Kimmel is in talks with Disney to negotiate return of late night show. Okay, so what that call is like. And talk is like who knows. But he is having to talk. So during talks in late night show. According to a report, a comedian, business and legal representatives are in deep discussions with the cnibc trying to hammer out a compromise that would allow Jimmy Kimmel live to resume his 23rd season. Insider told Vanity Fair. Whether the sparring parties are close to any resolution is unknown, leaving Kimmel and his show in limbo following defensive comments he made this week about the slaughter of Charlie Kirk. Kimmel is reportedly concerned about what a permanent cancellation would look like for his crew in LA who work on the show, many of whom are still digging themselves out of a financial hole caused by the active strike in 2023. Neither Camels team nor Disney immediately responded to the post. So that's that part. Now, aside from that, you get a message from the former CEO of Disney, Michael Eisner. Michael Eisner blasts current leadership which a guy named Bob Iger is there over how they handle Jimmy Kimmel's controversy. Now, you got to know there's a little bit of back and forth with Michael Eisner and Bob Iger because Michael Eisner sometimes felt like Bob Iger came and took over his job. And if you know the story, you know Bob has been at ABC. He started off at ABC, worked all the way up from 40 plus years ago. Bob's been at Disney. Rob, can you find that? How long has Bob Iger been at Disney and abc? How many years? It'll kind of tell you. So you need to know that.

[Adam]

Decades.

[Pat]

But what I'm saying is I think it's 40 years is what it's been. 35 plus years is how long he's been there. Yeah, I was wrong. 41 years he's been there. Okay, so there you go. So, okay, so Michael Eisner blasted the company's current illusion of Jim Gamma dispense indifferent suspension. Eisner lashed out at FCC's chairman Brandon Carr for using out of control intimidation to bully ABC into suspending the committee on late night show. He also appeared to take a jab at his successor Bob Iger and questioned why leaders were not fighting against this supposed government pressure. Eisner asked on X, where was all the leadership gone? Where has all the leadership gone? If not for university presidents, where's that at, Robert? If not for university president, Law firms management partners, corporate chief executive standing up against bullies who then will step up for the first Amendment? The suspending indefinitely of Jimmy Kimmel immediately after the chairman of FCC aggressively yet hollow threatening of the Disney company is yet another example of out of control intimidation. Maybe the Constitution should have said Congress shall make no laws abiding the freedom of speech or of the press except in one political or financial self interest. By the way, for the record, this ex CEO finds Jimmy Kimmel very talented and very funny.

[Adam]

Okay, well this ex CEO would be completely wrong. Respectfully, Michael, anybody that says very talented.

[Vinnie]

And funny is absolutely all that message goes out the window when you say that at the end, but go ahead.

[Pat]

So in this play, this thing, Michael Eisner is eloquently finding a way to call out both Iger and call out Trump at the same time. So he got two things done and was able to give credit to Jimmy to make sure. My God, you know, Jimmy's gonna be like, well, Michael Eisner's on my side, so he's not really helping. Nothing about this comment, believe it or not, helps. Tom, your thoughts?

[Tom]

So first of all, here you have Eisner, who's a legend of Steve, of corporate leadership, tremendous CEO that had to make the hard calls, wasn't always liked by everybody in his organization. But when you look at the expansion of Disney and you look at the deals he made and you look at the share price, Michael Eisner gets a very, very good report card. Now he comes out of, remember, he's a leader. He speaks like this. So pat. I wonder if there's part of him that just can't help Himself saying, watching his old company and everything go through this, he's like, I can't. I can't do this. I'm gonna speak up, right?

[Pat]

It's like, but, Tom, do you see this as leadership? You take this as leadership. What is he speaking up against? He's speaking the way I interpret it. Again, English is my fifth language. But the way I interpret this is, if I was there, I would have called Brandon Carr of the fcc. I think that's his name. And I would have. Can never make a threat like that to Disney. I would have kept Jimmy Kimmel and Bob Iger sucks. That's how I interpret this tweet. Am I wrong?

[Tom]

I'm not saying he's right. I'm saying that his legacy I outlined. And then I don't think he can help himself when he goes and says this and he's jumping into the middle of it. There are five things that I think that I think are true. Number one, it wasn't a freedom of speech issue. And the fact that these people can go talk to the media after it's all done and criticize the president proves they still have freedom of speech. They're not. They're not in a jail cell with stitches on their foreheads. Okay. Second, it was an employee behavior issue, and there were things going on there. And Jimmy Kimmel got out of line, and Jimmy Kimmel didn't listen to the boss, and he got himself suspended and advertisers and things. So it was a company decision, not a freedom of speech. But they have to make it a freedom of speech issues. Make it about Trump. Number three, that is true hypocrisy. He says, you look back, the same language that was in the public square, they were applauding that same language to get rid of Trump. When they got. When Rosie o' Donnell got canceled, AOC went and did a very tender, you know, statement when. When Tucker was off the air. So the hypocrisy the other way just shows that apparently when HR sent the email about boomerang safety training, they didn't go. And now here the boomerang has come back bunk. And here you have it. Number four. Number four. Thing is, I think Eisner can't, with his legacy and everything. Pat, you can't parachute back in like this. I don't think it's helpful. I respect him, and you respect his history and everything, but parachuting back in there was something that, Remember that Bush said that other people didn't. Bush said, I'm not here to criticize my predecessor. And when he left the White House, he said, look, I'm not gonna jump into certain debates here. I may comment on things, but I'm just gonna leave it alone. Whereas Obama chose to blame, blame, blame, as did Biden. And so I think right here, I don't know that if I was Michael, with my legacy and everything, I would have jumped in. Like that said, if I'd have been there, these things would have happened. You don't know that. You don't know what everything was in front of them. You don't know about. I'm sure he's getting leaks on it, but I don't think with his background, I mean, a Hall of Fame baseball player shouldn't jump in and criticize the modern players. You should say, I don't know about that. You know, that seems odd to me. But directly jumping in and saying, if I had been there, I would have got the hit in the bottom of the ninth. We would have won the World Series.

[Pat]

Adam.

[Adam]

Well, I have a special place in my heart for Disney because I've told the story that this was the first stock I ever owned. My Grandma bought me 10 shares when I was a kid and look at me now. But I would argue that Bob Iger, not Michael Eisner. Bob Iger is the best CEO Disney's ever had. So, you know, Tom over there always talks about words, talk, numbers scream. Look at go to the max for Disney if you can pull up their stock price. So follow the numbers here. Scroll down, Rob. So you see the years at the bottom. Michael eisner was the CEO, I believe, from the early 80s to 2005. So look at the growth. It's. It's up, but it's not massive. Bob Iger takes over and I believe 2005, and boom, it goes off and it reaches its apex right as Covet basically hit. And then he stepped down in 2022, I believe. And then they believe in what was the CEO they brought in. It was another Bob. Bob Cheapest, I believe.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And an hour and a half for like two or three years and go woke, go broke. And I'm not pinning this on him. They're like, nabra, you gots to go. And then they brought back in Iger. So a lot of what happened with Disney, a lot of the productions they had in place were place blame on Bob Iger. But if you look at the stock price now, it's actually trending upward again, since it basically reached its lows during COVID So what's the Point here. Bob Iger has been the best leader there. I think Disney, Disney trusts his judgment. As far as Jimmy Kimmel goes, guys, let's come on. Nobody finds Jimmy Kimmel funny. Nobody finds him talented. I get that he's a mouthpiece of the left. I get that he's been there for 20 years now, and this is darling. But stop it, guys. This isn't a free speech issue. They're hemorrhaging money. They're losing an audience. The writing's on the wall. And they were looking for something to say, how do we get rid of this guy? That's my opinion. And they did it with this.

[Pat]

Let's do that. I like what direction you went. When Michael Eisner took over, Disney was worth $2 billion as CEO, just so you know that. And he took it from 2 billion to 60 billion dollars. So he 30x'd when Bob Iger took over. This is Michael Eisner. When Bob Iger took over, it was worth roughly 50 or 60 billion dollars. And now it's worth 250, whatever the number is. 230. So he forexed 5 XED the company. So Michael Eisner does get a lot of credit to the people that are in the Disney world. I don't know what he's doing here. I don't think he gets anything done here. I'm a fan of Iger. I've read his book. I like the story. I like what he did politically. We know what he's at. At one point he was thinking about running for president. When he was talking to. Was he talking to Rupert or Roger Ailes, one of the guys he was talking to, where he had interest of running for president? At the time he was 60 years old. How old is he right now?

[Adam]

74?

[Pat]

Yeah, he was 60 years old at the time. He was involved with all the Rahm Emanuel and all these guys. You know, he was. He was one of those guys. And this guy's got the swagger of somebody for running. So I just think the last five years have been one after another shitty decision. And I think the transition didn't work. The co CEO didn't work. And I think a lot of people are even saying it's Bob making the decision, but it's not fully Bob making a decision isn't the Sinclair network. They're like, we just don't want this show on if he's gonna be doing this. Right? So it's not like. So what are you talking about?

[Tom]

They're right to say they're right to say.

[Pat]

And then Bob's gotta make a decision and say, hey, can you go to an apologize? No, I'm not gonna apologize. What the hell you want me to.

[Tom]

Do with this tax tonight?

[Vinnie]

I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna.

[Pat]

Go back and double down. You're calling out your president, the CEO of the company, publicly and saying, screw you, buddy, I'm sorry. I mean, that's just not how business works. So, no, this has got nothing to do with the FCC stuff. And no, it's got nothing to do with Trump. It's got to. Now let me you hear some of these stories. We're thinking about taking away the license. I think that's. This is where now you're adding. When Trump says stuff like that, you're given the other side ammunition to come back with a bunch of other things to say. But that's where I'm at with the story. We'll see what happened here. One last story before we wrap up. What story do you guys want to hit? Tell me any one story. I'll go to it before I wrap up because we got something interesting that just happened that I gotta go go get to very quickly. Interesting is not bad.

[Vinnie]

Do I need to get involved? No, you're good, because I will.

[Pat]

I can't tell you what we're doing. I can't tell you who we're gonna hurt, but I need you to.

[Adam]

Whose car we take?

[Vinnie]

Which car we take? Yeah, Whose car we take it. I'm with you.

[Pat]

All right, so which one do.

[Tom]

We're going to Liberty City. Can you drive?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Okay, so if you guys got no stories, what do you want to do with it? You guys had something very interesting here going back and forth. I won't do any stories. What we will do is we'll cover all these stories on the next podcast. Today's what? Monday is today Monday, right?

[Tom]

Yes, sir.

[Pat]

Today's Monday.

[Vinnie]

I don't know who we are.

[Pat]

Wednesday we'll have a pod. Something interesting may come up tomorrow.

[Tom]

Something will at 9am tomorrow.

[Pat]

Okay, tomorrow something. Well, stay tuned, guys. God bless everybody. What is it? Faith. Fear.

[Tom]

Faith over fear.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Already sold faith over here. I freaking love that people are that bold enough to do that.

[Tom]

Turn around, by the way.

[Adam]

Turn around.

[Pat]

Vinny.

[Adam]

Yeah. Take your pants off.

[Pat]

Come on, baby. We love you.

[Tom]

By the way, ladies and gentlemen, I'll be your fashion coordinator. You need the Faith Over Fear T shirt to go with your angry patriot hoodie. So you are equipped to go out and support Vinnie and his passion for America.

[Pat]

That was great, Tom. That sold 1500, guys. Take care. God bless. Bye bye.