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Cenk Uygur
30 seconds.
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Patrick Bet-David
Did you ever think you were made yet?
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Cenk Uygur
I feel I'm supposed like a taste.
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Patrick Bet-David
Sweet victory I know this life meant for me yeah why would you bet.
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Cenk Uygur
On Goliath when we got bet David.
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Patrick Bet-David
Valuetainment giving values contagious this world of entrepreneurs we get no value to haters.
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Cenk Uygur
How they run, homie look what I become I'm the one.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay, so there's something special about today's podcast. What's special about today's podcast? The fact that this is the last time we will be doing this out of the bank vault. Especially after buying the new building. We'll be moving out to the next one to the new building next week, Tuesday. So it is the last one here. Enjoy it. We won't be doing it here again. If you want to find any remaining money that was left in the bank vault, look for it today. We have a very special guest with us. I don't know how to introduce him, to be honest with you, because some say he is going to be the head of the RNC here soon. Some say he's the face of maga. Some say he's going to run for the governor of California as a Republican ticket. Some say he's left a liberal, left wing, socialist, whatever you want to call it, he is full blown maggot. I mean, that's a concern. I saw a tweet yesterday from a lady that you tweeted out in your, in your thread and she said, I had such high hopes for you. This lady named Joe. I can't believe you're doing this. I can't believe you're going to go and do xyz. But anyways, we have Cenk back on the PBD podcast. How you doing?
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Cenk Uygur
I'm great, brother. Great to be here. And I. This is the last episode in the Vault. It feels as you know, I said I were I'm happy to cut the Pentagon. So if I find any money in here, I'm giving it back to the American.
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Patrick Bet-David
We got to pay back. We got 32 trillion. We got some money to pay back.
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Tom
We'll go buy a couple tanks, go cruising.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah. So, okay, let me tell you what stories we're going to go through here. We got a lot of weird stories to go through and then we'll get right into the topics. One story here from media, November 29, Cenk Uygur optimistic after Trump's victory. MAGA is not my mortal enemy. What the establishment. Is Cenk saying that. Yes, they threaten you? Pete Heck said Mother calls on Americans to disregard media after private email went public. And I think Pete responded to the media yesterday. Maybe Rob, if you have that clip to show it as well, that'd be great. Biden was wrong to Sean Musk. Says who? The one and only Bill Clinton says that Biden White House is discussing preemptive pardons for those in Trump's crosshair. Some of the names that they're talking about is Fauci, maybe his brother and a few, maybe even himself. They're dropping these names there because the pardon that Hunter got was a legendary one. But we'll talk about that. Mark Cuban says he'd win the White House with Charles Barkley as his vp. No question about it. Some of it was fun, funny. But I think there's a part of him that he's convinced he could be the president. Maybe we'll talk about that. 40% of job seekers say they haven't had a single job interview this year. Not one job interview this year. Maybe that's because 40% of them are not even seeking a job this year. Right. Maybe those two go. Who knows? Maybe there's more story to it. We'll cover it. A couple other things. There was a, you saw the CEO of United Healthcare was shot gunned down in New York at 7am in the morning.
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E
Crazy.
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Patrick Bet-David
Disturbing. Absolutely disturbing. And I had an insurance meeting yesterday at Boca Resort. The last two days, that's where I've been. Where I've been kind of away. The company that purchased our company has a major relationship with that insurance company because of carrier doing business. So it was a topic of discussion to see. We'll cover that as well. San Francisco was concerned about tsunami and, and you know, the 7.0 earthquake that hit. And one of the biggest things is this clip you got to see with the traffic driving on what would happen if a tsunami actually was to come in. Those people would not make it. We'll cover that. They're trying to create a division between Vivek and Iran. I told you they're going to try to do it. And they're starting with Vivek and Ilan. We'll show the clip and we'll give our thoughts and commentary on on the division between the two. And then images of unmasked suspect emerge. We'll show that clip. This is the person that killed the CEO. Trump picks David Sachs, venture capitalist as his AI and crypto czar. Then we have a transgender 10 year old fears being murdered because of her identity. This is a CNN story. We must cover that because it's a CNN story. Call her daddy. Drags Kamala Harris saying $100,000 was not so nice. Cardboard walls in some random house. Wow. Now she's throwing her under The Bus House COVID 19 panel releases final report criticizing public health response to the pandemic. Canada bans more types of firearms and proposes donating guns to Ukraine. And last but not least, we have to show that clip. Rob of Peter Hotels. This man is the modern day Nostradamus. Oh, he's predicting a day after inauguration. There's going to be a pandemic. Yeah.
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Vinnie
95, January 21st.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, we have to be ready for it. So listen, I don't know if you guys have put on your masks or not. Maybe you want to mask up right now.
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Cenk Uygur
Does he have any keys?
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Patrick Bet-David
Does he have any keys? Obama suddenly concerned about rigged elections and weaponizing government against opponents. No way. Cenk, I really want to get your thoughts on that one there. But by the way, so let me tell you guys what's going on. I love the fact that everybody is now using the phrase future looks bright. I love it. I love Elon, the other day tweets out future is bright. David Sacks tweets out after he got the. Right there. Robert, if you can show it, the future is bright. And then you got David Sachs, who writes this out yesterday. Thank you to President. And at the last, the last line says what? Under your leadership, the future is bright. We've been selling Future looks bright gear for the last couple years. And today I'm going to share with you this new hat that came out that may be the favorite hat ever we've come out with. And let me show you why. This is Future looks Bright. It says future looks bright, but it's three dimensional. Rob, if you can show these pictures.
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Vinnie
If the stitching is raised, it's.
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Patrick Bet-David
It's ridiculous. Ridiculous. With the three dimensional Future looks Bright. On the bottom we have the black and gold. My favorite is this green one that's bad. Green and white that says future looks bright. And on the bottom it says future looks bright. We have these in green, in black with red, in black with white. Then a lot of you guys were asking about PBD podcast, actual PBD podcast hats. This one says PBD podcast on the site says future looks bright. And on the back says valuetainment. And then we have the, the one with white with the actual logo on it, Future looks bright. And then we have some of you guys that are out there hunting, you're trying to feed your family and you.
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Vinnie
Want the deer to know his future is not bright, but mine is.
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Tom
Or a governor shooting their dog.
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Patrick Bet-David
And we have Vinnie, who whose favorite is.
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Vinnie
I like the flat. The guys. These are more of the flat brim. Very la boom, very la. But it's still the same hat I just like.
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Patrick Bet-David
By the way, how sick is this? I love those.
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Vinnie
This is ridiculous. The raise, the race.
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Patrick Bet-David
So guys, it's a new style. That's first serve. Go pick them up. I'd pick up a handful of them and give gifts away to some people for Christmas. That's around the corner. Place your order before it sells out because once this badge sells out, the next badge we cannot deliver to to probably end of January. Having said that, go to VT merch.com place your order. So let's get right into it. Cenk, are you now a Republican?
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Cenk Uygur
Okay, so a lot of people on the left have that theory. The definitive answer is no. So look, I've been a populist all along. And what's fascinating to me is how much politics in America has changed because the left wing populists, like the Bernie Sanders type of guys have been standing a post waiting for our right flank to appear at some point. Because things, giant things like getting money out of politics, you cannot do alone. The left wing can't do it alone. The right wing can't do it alone. If you the only way to fix it is an amendment because you got to go above the Supreme Court. You need three quarters of the states. So for me, I've always thought if we don't get united, we're never going to beat the establishment. And the establishment has been my enemy forever and ever and ever. And I wish we had beaten them, you know, through Bernie, in 2016 or 2020. And I'm not saying that they're knocked out. I mean, the establishment is gigantic. They've got billions and trillions of dollars and they're going to make a huge comeback in the 2028 primaries. But on the Republican side, they've largely been defeated. And so here's what my left wing friends don't understand. They think you guys are all maga. And MAGA means it's a cult. And you never going to disagree with Trump, you're never going to disagree with each other. And that you are like their father's Republicans, but you're not their father's Republicans. And so our side, I've been trying to get them to realize that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, all these folks that take the money, they're not on your side, they're on the establishment side, right? And for you guys on the right, when I used to debate you, and I don't mean you guys in specific, I mean in general, all I would get is wall to wall talking points. Oh, Mitch McConnell knows what he's doing. Oh, John Cornyn is the best. Oh, you know, George Bush, D, et cetera. And I, you know, we've been around forever. We're the longest running show in Internet history, right? We're the first YouTube partner channel ever. That makes me like the original YouTuber. Right? And so, so I battled the Cheneys, I battled all those guys in the Bush years, right? And then I hit Obama from the left and people got super mad. I mean, that's part of the reason why I had the huge blowout with msnbc. And I left MSNBC because they didn't want me to hit Obama and they didn't want me to hit the Democrats. So I've been doing that from day one. And guys, today, I think that, you know, we could do something historic. I think that we could actually unite the left flank and the right flank. And I've got a model for how to do that. And I want to run it by you guys. I've got a couple of rules for the Internet that I want to run by you guys. Rules sound bad, right? But hold on, I think you're going to like these rules. And then I want to see, hey, is there a couple of things that we can unite on right now on this show, make this show a little bit historic and say, hey, this is what the Internet thinks. This is what the populace of the right and the left think. Let's go tackle the establishment and make it happen.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay, so before we do that, can I ask you a couple questions? Of course. So for you, election night, we had you on, you came, you spoke. You're a fiery guy, you're a true believer. You're a guy that we've all seen you. You're not a guy that you actually are not acting like you actually believe what you believe in and you actually get upset. You really are upset, right? So I know it's going to sound weird. I think there is an element of Alex in you. There's an element of you in Alex. I know you don't want to hear that part. I'm telling you as a person that's a viewer, you guys have been on both for a long time, and you guys have both been hated by opposing sides. And I think you guys have a lot of similarities from the messaging that you believe in. Now, you may not agree with each other, but that's the messaging. What do you think with all these ideas? Like, you know, sometimes for me, I'm running a business and I have some ideas. I create a comp, and a comp is not growing a company, But I say it's the right comp. You're later, nothing's happening, but it's the right comp. Two years later, three years later, five years later, nothing's happening. Then you have to sit there and say by yourself. And this is not easy to do. I've shut down my channel twice for three months because I sat down with Mario and I said, look, the last hundred videos, we haven't had any views that get 100,000 views. Why is that? We only had two of them, and we had 40 videos over a million views. Why have our last hundred not performed? We kind of talked about that a little bit when I was on you, on your show as well. And then we shut down. We're like, okay, let's regroup. Watch those videos they used to do. Watch this here. What's happened with the climate? What's changed? Is the market pivoting? You're not. Are you with your values and principles that you had the results for you. What did you notice where you said, maybe I was wrong with these principles that I thought were the right way to think about. I know I was right about this. This is the one thing that whether I'm right or wrong, I'm not compromising. It's my conviction. But I know I was wrong about these two things. Is there anything that you personally went through?
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, it's. There's a tiny. On policy, but more on how to react to the right wing, which is a really, I think, interesting conversation. So, look, I. I get why the left is skeptical, because what happens is usually there's a pattern. And unfortunately, some former TYT hosts have done this where they beseech the right wing. They start agreeing a little bit and then a lot, and the next thing you know, they're pulling a Reuben or eating a Reuben sandwich. And I don't eat that. Right? And I. And I don't do that. But what. So, but what has happened to the core of your question? So there's tiny things around policy. Like, I believe in no cash bail, right? So if two guys commit a sexual assault, one is poor and one is rich. The rich guy pays bail, gets out, the poor guy can't. And by the way, they're accused. It's Alleged, Right. You don't know. But the poor guy stays in jail for mainly being poor. So it makes sense to be for no cash bail. But what wound up happening is California, for example, reduced some felonies to misdemeanors, which they didn't really tell us. It was in a prop measure. I voted for the prop measure, but they never actually said in the ballot measure, we're going to reduce penalties for these crimes, which are some significant crimes. And when you combine the two things, repeat offenders kept getting out of jail and doing another crime and another crime and another crime. And I realized, okay, wait a minute, we got an issue here. So on no cash, first of all, on the issue of taking the felonies of misdemeanors, once we found out what was going on, I'm like, look, I've been to every progressive convention, there's been in every progressive conference, talked to every leader, et cetera. I never heard anyone say, let's take felonies and turn them into misdemeanors. I don't know where the hell that came from, right? So I said, okay, now that I see that, okay, if you commit three offenses, then you're a repeat offender and you have to put up a cash bail, okay? So if you're a guy, oh my God, she's something. You got accused and you didn't do it. Okay, no cash bail, right? But if you do it three times, you got to put up bail, no question. And now we voted in California for Prop 36 and I made the position against what you guys would call extreme left or radical left. I'm trying to call him Max Left now to be respectful, right? But those guys said crime is imaginary. And I said, no, crime is not imaginary. Crime is definitely real and crime is going up. And guys, if we don't do something about putting these folks in jail, if they're repeat offenders, we're going to lose everybody. And they said, you're nuts. That's not going to happen. Then Prop 36 in California was to put them back to felonies, right? It went with 70% of the vote. 70% of the vote, Right. In California. And that's my point to my friends on the max left. Like, you guys want to be maximalists, but that's not where Democratic voters are, let alone Republican voters. So I, my, I was always, I was never in favor of making them misdemeanors, but I was in favor of unlimited cash bail. Now that I've changed that. But you see, it's tiny. It's a tiny change based on what I saw, based on experience, based on these guys getting out and doing again, again, again. But the main thing, Patrick, is before when I battled the right wing, it was a wall, right? I'm just like, we're all, nobody's listening to one another. They're just doing talking points. I hated it. And then MAGA looked like they were 100%. Uh, I'll be honest. I mean, I, in 2020, I was super. And, and I said, you know, look, I don't want to talk to Trump supporters. All I hear is the same thing. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. And they never waver. So what I'm saying to the left now is, no, I'm seeing something new and different here. The MAGA base has changed. Okay? That doesn't mean they don't like Trump. It doesn't mean that they're not right wing. But there is a significant portion of the MAGA base now that is, in my opinion, right wing populist who are actually anti establishment, actually anti corruption, actually anti war. And what I'm trying to tell the left is take the win, take the win. We've been standing opposed here for 20 years trying to cut the Pentagon, trying to be anti war, being getting money out of politics. If people say yes, for God's sake, those are our, that's our lost tribe. Those are our right wing brothers and sisters who are Americans, who are populists, who agree with us. Let's go fight the establishment together. Because if we're united, they cannot stop us.
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Patrick Bet-David
Are you, are you at all in a place right now you're registered. What, Democrat?
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay. Are you at all at a place where you've thought about being a registered independent or Libertarian?
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Cenk Uygur
So look, the reason I became a Democrat is because in California, if you're an independent, you can't vote in Democratic primaries. And so I wanted to vote for Bernie Sanders, etc. So I became a Democrat. And I don't have any problem staying in the Democratic Party. I ran for president in the Democratic Party as a protest candidate against Biden as your remember. Right. So, but the, but now we're in a situation where we've got realignment, where we've got, there's a left right spectrum, then there is a populist establishment spectrum. Right. So I am center left, but I'm way populous. I'm 100% populist. Right. So things are moving. If it turns out and the parties have switched before, if the parties completely switch, then I don't have Any allegiance to a party label or name. Right. But right now the Republicans are still right wing, Democrats are still left wing. So I'm going to stay there.
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Patrick Bet-David
So why do you think the Democratic Party lost A. Rogan lost a. Tulsi lost a. Bobby lost a. Musk lost a. Trump lost a. All these guys were former Democrats. Why do you think? And let's set Trump aside because maybe Trump's Democrat in the 80s and 90s, let's kind of come to the names recently, like Musk, like Rogan, like Tulsi, like Bobby. These guys, why do you think they're losing these names?
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah. So everything's a little bit different and every person's different. So Tulsi, I think, was always secretly a right winger, but Bobby Kennedy Jr. Was not. He was definitely a Democrat. Right. And so he's a decent example. So Bobby has opinions that a lot of people on the left don't agree with. Right. To which I say something revolutionary to the left.
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Patrick Bet-David
So what?
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Cenk Uygur
Okay, so okay, he agrees with us on the environment, he agrees with us on housing, on anti corruption, he doesn't agree with us on vaccines, fluoride, etc. Right. Why don't we have a conversation with the brother? Why don't we include him? Why don't we do a real primary? And if he wins, he wins. If he loses, he loses. Do you believe in democracy or don't you believe in democracy? And look, he would have easily lost the primary, in my opinion, Democratic side. But what the Democrats. And this is a cultural problem, right? So on policy, I'm totally left wing. But when you talk about culturally, there's a couple of issues that are going on. Number one, I've always been like a. When I was a kid, I was a Hulkamaniac, right? And so. And I looked. I love all you folks who love the art and the opera and the ballet and stuff, and there's nothing wrong with that. My sister does, and my friends, etc. But I'm not that guy. Like, when I listen to npr, I'd always be like, why are they whispering? Why don't they speak the fuck up? Like, so.
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E
Very soothing.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah. So culturally, I've always been a populist too. But the real problem with the left and Democratic Party these days, culturally is we don't want you. We don't want you. We don't want you. If there's a 2% disagreement, we want to cancel you and get you the hell out of here. Right wing, in my opinion, has their own version of cancel culture we can get into that. But with the right wing, you agree with them 2%. They're like, oh, welcome in. Come to the party. Oh, yeah, come on in. Come on in. And if one party's constantly pushing people out and the other party's constantly inviting them in, well, at some point, the party inviting them in has a bigger tent, and you not only win the election, you win the popular vote. So Democrats have to get out of this mindset of you must agree with Democratic leadership, and if you don't, you're ruining unity. Shut up and get back in line. No. Hell, no. Young Turks have never been in line. We're never going to get in line. We're not going to get in the line for maga. We're not going to get in line for the Democratic Party. And these idiots said, bow your head to Joe Biden and Pat. You know, I was on the show. I was on every show, and I said, what are you guys, nuts? His brain has fallen out of his ear. He's shaking hands with invisible people. He thinks his uncle was eaten by cannibals. You guys are lunatics. And I will not agree to being a lunatic for your agenda. So look to me, like, look, I want to propose this as rules for the end.
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Patrick Bet-David
I want to hear, go for it.
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Cenk Uygur
But it's so important that both the right wing and left wing agree with this. Right? So let me bounce it off you guys. Number one rule, when we disagree, we fight. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong. This America, okay? We disagree. We got freedom of speech. Let's rumble, let's brawl. There's nothing wrong with that.
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E
What do you mean, rumble and brawl?
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Cenk Uygur
I mean, of course, rhetorically, politically debating, not violent.
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E
Throw it down right now.
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Patrick Bet-David
Because as simple as that sounds, that was not popular with the left the last eight years. We've invited so many people from the left, and we will always invite them, but unfortunately, they don't like to fight as much as the other side likes to fight. Okay? Yeah.
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Cenk Uygur
Rule two, rule number two of the Internet, afterwards, you must have a beer together.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay? Tip O'Neal and Reagan.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah. And so what I mean by that is you don't have to love the other guy. You don't have to agree with him, but we got to go back to being Americans, right? So, okay, we have a fight, then. Let's go get a beer. So what? Okay. I don't agree with you on health care. I don't agree with you on trans issues. I don't. And I know some people Say, hey, look, is there a line that goes too far? Yeah, for some people there's a line that goes too far. But in general, let's go back to listening to one another. We've been yelling at each other. And by the way, I mean, I'm guilty of it too. I mean, I think as far as yelling on the Internet goes, to your point. Yeah, I've done that many, many times. But I try to have a beer afterwards so that we can still be a country together. Okay, and last one is number three is when we agree, let's do something really bold and unite, okay? And if we unite, we will be invincible. Because, look, as I said in that tweet, my mortal enemies establishment, the one that says, no, the politicians are honest, no, the donor money doesn't affect anyone. You know this absurdity of CNN and New York Times pretending that the donor money doesn't affect the candidates and it doesn't affect the bills, when they start talking about legislation and we're talking about, hey, can we negotiate drug prices? And you're not talking about big pharma spending billions if not trillions of dollars in lobbying and donating to the politicians, etc. No, it's utter corruption and we cannot beat that corruption unless we unite. So if the right wing, if I'm right about the right wing populace and I made a bet with one of my co hosts last night, okay, well, I could tell you about that too. But if I'm right about the right wing populist and we unite on some things that we agree on, I think we're going to be invincible and finally, finally beat the establishment.
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Patrick Bet-David
So I like that. Number one, if we disagree, let's fight, let's debate. Two, afterwards, let's have a glass of, let's have beer together. Three, if we do agree, let's unite and let's celebrate it. And let's come across as a united crowd, united group. I like that. Going back to the conversation with Trump. So Trump won and he got how many votes? I'm looking at it right now. 77 million votes. Okay? And the only person that ever beat him is the goat, Joe Biden. But he got, he got Jordan. Yeah, he got 77 million votes. Yeah, himself. And by the way, just so you know, even the Great Obama in 2008 got 69 million votes. In 2012, he got 65 million votes. Hillary Clinton got 65 million votes. In 2016, and in 2020, Trump got 74 and now he got 77 million votes. Seven battleground states, all that Stuff. Why do you think he won so single handedly? Like, it's not even close.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, well, look, the popular vote was close, but so now when the Republicans win the popular vote, it feels like a mandate because they usually lose. But he did, he won fair and square, right? And, and he won with a big vote and he won all the swing states. So, and I, and as, again, as you guys know, I was warning that he, he could easily do. My Democratic friends were like, oh, you're crazy. Trump's not gonna win. No one I know likes Trump. No, you're in a bubble. Everyone's in their own bubble, right? And probably, if you had asked some MAGA guys, they probably thought he's gonna get 80% or something, right? No, we're in different bubbles. And what's interesting, Pat, is that I, I speak both languages. I speak populist and establishment. I speak right wing and left wing. I can understand. And I could translate for folks, right? So why did, why did Trump win? Why was he popular? Popular because he's at least trying to appear to be a populist. Whether he actually is is a good question and is going to be settled by the next four years. Right? But he. Look, I'll give you the example I always give this random guy, Nick Smith, doing a strike at a Waffle House in Western Virginia, and we go and interview him in the 2016 election and he says, look, while my family's coal miners, right? And, and, and our reporter asked why you guys think voting for Trump, right? And he says, look, Hillary Clinton comes here and tells us we're going to lose our jobs and there's no hope. Trump at least has the decency to lie to us, okay? And he says, we got hope, the future is bright, et cetera.
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Patrick Bet-David
Right?
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Cenk Uygur
And that makes a huge difference.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah.
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Cenk Uygur
And so, and, and then our candidates are so terrible. And you know, after an election loses, you see cable news, cnn, msnbc. What do they do? They blame the voters. They blame Russia, they blame Bernie, they blame every. They blame me. They blame everyone except the candidates. So Kamala Harris, it was a terrible candidate. When you go out there and you're like, I will only do talking points, I will not have any real conversations, then you're not authentic. Trump appears to be authentic, even though, in my opinion, he lies a lot. But he appears to be authentic, whereas our guys look like corporate robots. And what's the lesson they learned? I guarantee you in the next primary, the Democratic establishment will run. Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg, they're like, no no, no, these are the new, improved corporate talking robots. Right? And that's not the point. Authentic and populist. And by the way, Pat, all across the world, look at what just happened in France, the left and the right got together, both populists and said no to the establishment. Enough with, you know, taking it to the average man.
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Patrick Bet-David
Listen, I'm with you on the establishment side. You know, I'm. Because you saw the other day, Bernie Sanders agreeing with Musk. What, what is that all about? I mean, that's. Both of them are anti establishments. So that is the area of agreement. So I agree with you there. Tom, you were going to say something.
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Tom
Yeah, I appreciate you use the word authentic. We did a 17 week show where we were counting down the polls every week we were going through and we found the true polls that were Trafalgar, Rasmussen and Atlas intel proven because their polls lined up with the results. So guess what? They were polling in apparently the right way. And then you had those that were trying, those that were false and those were for sale. And so the authenticity, you said authentic. And we saw authentic coming in because we saw a heat poll that was done on the intensity of voters feeling about a certain issue. And in Arizona, the intensity of Democrat and Republican voters on immigration was very high.
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Cenk Uygur
Why?
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Tom
They're seeing it in their state live. They're seeing people that are homeless, that are people that have come across the border. So they're seeing it live and in color. In Missouri, immigration was more like a debate at the barbershop. In Arizona, it was like they're seeing people in front of Walmart, in front of the atm, at their gas station. And the issue was right there on the front doorstep. So the authenticity of the concern of the voter that was in Arizona was something that you can't just do talking points to stoke fear and then walk away. And that's what Harris did there. And that's why it was a 5.61%. He had a five point victory in previously close Arizona. So there isn't, you say authentic about the candidates, but there's also something authentic about the voters. The voters were voting for their very authentically felt positions. And are you going to improve my life here on this issue or not? And we saw the heat map in Arizona. We're like, you know what, you know, if she doesn't come out with something other than talking points in Arizona, they don't even understand that these, the good polls were shown showing that the underlying intensity of the authentic feeling of the American voter. And I Feel like candidates in the establishment take that for granted and just try to give you talking points to stoke fear to sway you. They're not really speaking to your authentic needs.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah. So let me address that in two ways real quick. So the only thing that I said I got wrong in this election and I, you know, came out and did a video about it, is I was saying throughout the election I didn't believe Trafalgar and I didn't believe those polls. I thought they were leaning too Republican on purpose, et cetera. I was wrong. They were more accurate. Right. And so number one in our mission statement is boldly pursue the truth. Right. And the truth is non negotiable. So if it turns out that they had the more accurate polls and those.
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Tom
Three did, there's a lot of pollsters.
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Cenk Uygur
That were off the waterfall and the more traditional pollsters were wrong. Well, then you gotta say it. It doesn't help to try to like, oh, no, no, but next time let's keep lying to ourselves that we're gonna win. Right. If you got to deal in the reality based world. And so. But the larger point about policy is, look, a lot of my friends in the max left, they think that crime is imaginary and it's a right wing narrative and that when I say it's real, that I'm helping a right wing narrative. But look at California.
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E
What does that even mean?
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Cenk Uygur
No, no, I get.
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Tom
Let him go. I know, I think I know where he's going.
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E
What does that even mean? Crime is not real.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah.
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Cenk Uygur
So what they're saying is it's not really going up. You guys are, you know, and here's a polar thing, and if it is going up, it's actually because CVS is installed automation machines. And there's some truth to that and that's led some pilfering. But at the bottom line, are people stealing catalytic converters? Are they.
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Vinnie
Did you know, getting shot in the street, assassinated in the middle of freaking New York. Yeah.
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Cenk Uygur
Is auto theft up, etcetera? So the point I wanted to make is in, in California, we passed Prop 47 that I told you about before. We accidentally move some felonies into misdemeanors because I think we got lied to. They tried to reverse that in 2020 and it lost. It only got 38% of the vote. Totally lost at the, at the polls. Why? Because at that point crime had not spiked, so the voters didn't respond to it. It didn't matter if there was a right wing narrative. It didn't matter what the propaganda was.
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Tom
Covid crime, to be specific.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah.
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Cenk Uygur
So before 2020, when we voted 2020, Covid hadn't happened. We hadn't had the spike. So the California voters, Democratic voters, were like, no, no, we're rejecting it after the spike in 2021, 2022 in crime, which was real. Then the voters come back and go, yeah, no, we're rejecting it now. Okay. Now we're going 69% saying, bring them back up to felonies. I saw the crime. You know, it's because of what Thomas saying. It's not imaginary. Like, I experienced crime. My neighbor experiences crime. See, I tell this story and the left gets super mad about it. One of my neighbors, well, there's so many things that happen to all my neighbors, right? But one of my neighbors, a homeless guy comes in and starts leering at the young woman she's got inside the house and he's doing crazy things. And she comes out and she's outraged, says, I gotta. I'm gonna call the cops. He says, she. He says, go ahead, they're not gonna come. And this was at the height of 2122, when it was just a mess in LA and California, right? And so. And she's freaked out and she calls the cops and they're not coming. And he's like, I told you. He's like, I could just go take a seat in your backyard. And there's nothing you could do about it.
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E
Unbelievable.
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Cenk Uygur
I mean, when stuff like that happens, you lose Democratic voters, you lose all voters, and people get super mad.
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Tom
But what you're saying is absolutely correct about California crime. And I'll back up one chapter so everybody listening can understand this. There's a thing called the three strikes law that happened in California. California passed it. We're tough on crime. We're going to do this. And we. And there was certainly crime that was there. Kamala Harris ran as AG and she was putting African American males in prison at an over index rate because the three strikes long actually went a little too low on what was a strikable offense. You know what I'm talking about? They all end up in jail and they're like, we need to repeal the three strikes law. And the Dem said, oh, we can't take that to the voters. They'll say, we're soft on crime. And there are bright reds in central California. We can't have that. So you know what they did? They took felonies and they dropped them the misdemeanors. So now you get less strikes because I'VE classified what's a strike which led to the part you're talking about. So there was government interference and there was liberal game playing with the three strikes law where at the hands of Kamala Harris who is known as one of the most racist ags. But you can't say that she's not racist, she's here. But if you go back in history and look at it, Californians have woken up to what was a 20 year run from three strikes to let's not call them strikes anymore, let's bring them down to misdemeanors. And finally the voters come back and go at the post Covid spike, they're like, you know what?
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, you know what? This makes me think about that.
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Tom
I'm pissed off. We're going the other way.
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Patrick Bet-David
Simplified. Here's what it comes down to me. Common sense prevails. It's very simple. Bad policies have consequences. Data shows everything. You can sit there and say whatever you want. You're claiming you have better ideas, like, you know, in php, guys will say, I think we're doing it better than them. Really? Yeah, go ahead, show it in 2020. I think we're right and the other guys are wrong. Go ahead, show, show your formula and show us what you do. And all of a sudden it's like, oh shit, they were right. Yeah, they were right. So maybe you ought to go back to listening to what was working. Common sense wins. Bad policies got exposed by Democrats in ways I cannot even believe that so many people bought into it. The basics, right? And then data, data coming back showing, yeah, California lost a trillion dollars of money under management. New York lost a trillion dollars of money under management. California, first time since 1850, 1851, you had a net migration rate of negative back to back to back. There is a reason for that. People are leaving you. And you know what? What was the most incredible data point that came out after the election? It's the map. The map that shows which states got bluer and which states got redder. I don't know if you've seen this or not. Which states got redder, which states got blue or Rob, we've shown this before. This is another one. Which states got slack. And when you saw this, 50 states, 100%, not one of all states in America went more red. And what are we talking about? And by the way, look who went the reddish.
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E
Yeah, exactly.
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Patrick Bet-David
California and New York. Look at those two. So by the way, here's the thing. You know what? When sometimes we think about and we say, don't make my Florida, California, don't make my text. And the one thing with us is, guess what? I've lived in California. So have I. I've lived in Texas for five years. Yep. And now we've been in Florida for four years. Okay, Texas got redder, but the fear was, well, what are you going to do when all the conservatives and Republicans and the red leaves New York and California? New York and California are going to get bluer. That's not what happened. So even with the red leaving, whoever that was left became. I don't know if you understand what I'm getting. So even after people left and people stayed, the people that state even got redder to say, dude, these policies are ridiculous. I'm out. Thoughts?
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah. So Latino men is a good example. So Latino men were heavily on the Democratic side. And Democrats view politics. Look, I think the right wing plays identity politics too. Again, we can get into that. But unfortunately for the Democratic establishment, they view everything through identity. And they're like, okay, blacks are ours, Latinos are ours, women's are ours, Educated, rrs, et cetera. Right. Educated is at least about something you did as opposed to who you are. So. But they took Latino men for granted. And then after the election, when Latino men flipped over to the Republicans into Trump, they started saying, oh, they're sexist. That's why they got that. Macho culture, et cetera. First of all, blaming the voters, incredibly dumb strategy, and also incorrect. And if you ignore that map that you just showed, that's a disaster for the Democratic Party. If you keep ignoring reality and ignoring the truth, that's how you lead to more losses. So if, if Latino men are so sexist, then why is the president of Mexico a woman? Right. If Latino men are so sexist, why did they vote for Hillary Clinton by a 31 point margin? This doesn't have anything to do with sexism. What it has to do with is that you didn't deliver for Latinos.
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E
But Cenk, it wasn't just Latino men. It was also black men, white men, basically any man. I'll tell you a quick story. A guy tells me, he goes, so you voted for Biden? I was like, yeah, I actually did. And you voted for Hillary? Yeah, I did. So you're going to vote for Kamala? I go, no, no, no, I'm on the Trump train. He goes, straight up. I go, yeah. He goes, oh, so you're not gay? I'm like, what is that supposed to mean? He goes, because that the Democrats, they're just gays. They're just a gay party. Now, as a straight man, how do you vote for them? And I looked at him and I go, you're actually absolutely right.
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Patrick Bet-David
Right.
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E
So you're a straight guy. Any straight guy. I mean, men have not. I've been gravitating away from the Democratic Party for the last four to five years, and it's just getting weirder and weirder and less common sense. So you're talking about. They're fragmenting. Just Latino men. Every man in America is like, nah, I'm good. So why do you think just men are overwhelmingly done with the Democratic Party?
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Cenk Uygur
Obviously, it's more nuanced than that because the percentages are not.
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E
It's actually not that nuanced. The number has shifted dramatically.
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Cenk Uygur
No, I. But I grant you the shift. That's exactly what we're talking about, right?
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah. What, the gay community? Go ahead, please.
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Cenk Uygur
Okay, so no judge.
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E
How can I be homophobic? My girlfriend's gay.
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Cenk Uygur
Okay, that's an interesting story.
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Patrick Bet-David
We'll come back.
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Tom
So let's not talk about Frank.
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Cenk Uygur
So, look, I remember when the Democrats used to brag, oh, my God, we got this big lead with women. And I'm like, well, these elections are super close. That means you have a huge deficit with men. Right? You're only. You're leaving out half the equation. So why is the Democratic Party, in some ways, driving out men again? We got to be real about it. We got to be truthful about it. It's because of perceptions. And what is the perception? Is it that policy. Have they passed any laws against men? Not that I know of. Right. So I don't think it's policy. I think it's optics. So the optics is whenever there's a guy who's being a tough guy or strong, some will some guys who are being tough be. Go too far.
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Patrick Bet-David
Of course.
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Cenk Uygur
Of course. Are there some actual toxic guys? Of course there's guys who beat their wives, et cetera. Right. But anytime anybody did anything, it was called toxic masculinity. But sometimes it's just masculinity, and it's not toxic. Right. And every time you call it toxic masculinity, at the drop of a hat, at the slightest little thing, what you're doing is you're pushing men away. You're pushing them away because they're saying, wait a minute. I thought protecting women was just masculinity, not toxic masculinity. Right. And now if that's toxic, then everything I learned is wrong. Like, I'm supposed to Protect and provide. And that's not. I didn't think that was a bad thing. And now. So I just feel like that's why I bring up the crime thing, because I think the right wing and the left wing have massive misconceptions about each other. And one of the misconceptions the right wing has is that the craziest guy you heard on the left left represents all Democratic voters. And that. And in what we just showed in California is that's not at all true. California Democratic voters are saying, I don't want this extreme stuff either. Right. And so I think that kind of language pushed a lot of people away. But also economic things matter. Right? And so now we got both earners, of course. Right. And women are head of household in terms of earning more money in a lot of households, etc. But when you're going to buy a house, the house costs more and it's really hard. Right. And wages are lower and everything is hard. And the answer to that is not elect more minorities or elect more women. Now, if they're a great minority, great. If they're great women, great. Right. But when you say elect based on identity, you're losing people, including men who are saying, yeah, yeah, don't stop talking to me about identity. Start talking to me about the housing prices and about my wages, et cetera. So combination of all those things did great damage in pushing men away.
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Patrick Bet-David
All right, so let's go to the next story, the story. I want to go through a bunch of different stories with everybody. Rob, if you want to pull up the Obama story, because Obama is becoming an election denier and you know, you don't say, I mean, I didn't think he was going to be the guy that's going to be an election denier. Is this entire video, Rob?
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Tom
Yes, sir.
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Patrick Bet-David
Obama is suddenly very concerned about what the party in power can do to rig elections and weaponize the government against perceived political enemies. What curious timing. The Washington examiner reports Obama scorns doomed loop of political extremism after Democrats election defeat. Former Barack Obama criticized the political doom and loop created by politicians who portrayed their opponents as enemies to be vanquished. Just weeks after he warned voters about now President elect Donald Trump while campaigning weeks while campaigning for Vice President Kamala's. Go to and play this clip. There are going to be times potentially when one side tries to stack the deck and lock in a permanent grip on power.
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Vinnie
Can we get the out of his mind?
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Patrick Bet-David
Either by actively suppressing votes or politicizing the armed forces Judiciary insecure, the criminal justice system. Go after opponents. Look at the eyes.
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Vinnie
He doesn't believe it.
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E
I never saw him in those circumstances.
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Patrick Bet-David
Pluralism does not call for us to.
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Cenk Uygur
Just stand back and say, well, I'm.
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Patrick Bet-David
Not sure that's okay.
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Vinnie
Looks weak.
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Patrick Bet-David
In those circumstances.
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Cenk Uygur
A line has been crossed and we have to stand firm.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah. By the way, he does not look strong.
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Vinnie
He looks like defeated and weak. Pat. That guy. And by the way, he's unoriginal. Tom. And we talked. You talked about this before. He stole the tact. He took a page right out of the. Out of the Nazi minister propaganda Joseph Goebbels book, accuse the other side of which you are guilty. And we talked about it on the other podcast. They need to check. I want to know your thought on this. These are the expired Democrats. This whole rhetoric that this guy's been doing when he was talking to the young black voters, he's like, you got Kamala's black. You guys have to vote for Kamala. It's like the shock of why they're losing everybody. It's not just left. Everybody's moving away from these people. Chen. Because if we're going to be honest, this has become the party of hypocrites, okay? They're the actual racists. They're the corrupt ones. They're the ones that cheat elections, all right? They want young children to chop off their genitalia, and these are facts. They want to have them mutilate themselves. They want men and women's sports facts. This is only a left. A left. Men and women's sports. They want open borders. They want to use law fair. Look at what he's talking about, Chang. They want to. They've. They're the party that literally weaponized the Department of Justice, the FBI, to go after Donald Trump. The guy even got shot in his head. This type of attitude. This is done. And I just want to know, Cenk, are they not going to move on from these people? This is.
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Patrick Bet-David
Let me say something before we go to Cenk, okay? I'm going to say something. I'm going to go to Tom and Adam, and then I'm going to go to Cenk. Let me explain to what you're just saying right now, which is very important, okay? So watch this. Watch this. He may have just had the worst loss of his career. Correct?
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Vinnie
I agree. I agree 100%.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay? Because 2016, Hillary had the worst loss of her career. He did not. That was Hillary. And that was embarrassing that you lost to this guy. Okay? Two meaning to Trump. Okay, but this last one, Kamala wasn't campaigning. He was campaigning. Obama wasn't campaigning for Hillary. Yes, he was, but not like this. Obama was campaigning for Biden. He helped him, and they won. Right? This is the first time he has had a public loss of this level, of this magnitude. He's never had a loss like this. And here's the issue. So Cenk comes and, hey, I think we have to stop thinking Mag is the enemy. What is he talking about? I think we need to stop thinking. These are horrible people. We got to stop taking that approach. We can disagree on policies, but these are like, I'm around them. This guy speaks as a way that you. You're not. You know, you lose a game and what do you do? You come back and you say, what? We have to go back and, hey, we messed up. Back to the drawing board. We have to make some changes. It all starts with me. There is nothing. It all starts with me. You're the head coach of the Democratic Party. Where is the accountability for you? Where is. You get up and getting up on the stage and saying, it's with me. If anything changes and you have this kind of a loss, and you're saying, you know what he's trying to say? He's trying to say in a way, because legally, yes, they're going to probably flip one more seat for Supreme Court. That's what he's trying to say. But he's saying it in a way to make it seem like it's illegal. It's not. He's doing it in a legal way, but you're just not happy about it, because that could be a 20 year of Supreme Court and logic having some kind of control. Tom, what are your thoughts on what.
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Tom
When I saw. When I saw that, you know, I thought to myself, you know, there's influencing and there's leading. And I watched it, and I actually had the thought, I looked at it, and I said, didn't this guy used to be Barack Obama? But I'm saying Barack Obama in the spirit of who he was, and you don't have to agree with him to understand that he was a gifted politician, that he stood like a statesman at times. I don't have to agree with all of his policies to give credit to that person that served two terms as a president. And I looked at it and I said, you have been trying to influence him. Clooney said, you stood behind the scenes. You didn't lead. You influenced on the. The coup, if you want to call it that, of Biden stepping out of the candidacy, you influenced from behind the scenes till they finally said you got to get out in the front yard and you got to yell and you finally got out and started campaigning. But there's influencing and leading. And he didn't lead all year. He didn't stand up to lead. And when I looked at it, I said again, didn't this guy used to be Barack freaking Obama? He don't look like that.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, you know, you know when you're no longer as attractive as a girl and you expect everybody to treat you like you were at 22 years old.
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Tom
We agreed not to talk about the.
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Patrick Bet-David
View, but the grace, what stays, you hope the grace stays and you're attracted to the grace, right? You know what, man? She's still graceful, you know, and you can maintain your looks, but maybe not at 22. You're 62. Right? Things have changed for him. You know what he's going through. It's very. Vinnie, it's very hard to go through this. My voice doesn't carry the weight it used to carry 20 years ago. Oh, that is hard.
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E
Yep.
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Patrick Bet-David
My voice doesn't carry the weight it used to carry 16 years ago. 12 years ago. That's what he's going through. And it's like, hey, guys, don't you remember you used to love me? What happened? Give me the attention and love you guys used to give me at I was important. I was your Jesus. What happened? How come you guys don't look at me like that anymore? Oh, let me tell you, it's a psychological very hard face to go through.
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E
Adam, I love the analogy you said because one of the things we say is for a woman, it's all fun and games until you're at the end of the bar having to buy your own drinks in your 40s because usually when you're young and hot, they're going to do all that. So Obama, he was the young, hot, fresh candidate. And if you just take the, the vibe and just the riz, as you say, and you juxtapose when he was like, at least I'll go down as a two term president. Boom, Mike drop, cocky prick. Just Obama showing up, doing his thing. And now in the last 30 days, he tried to lecture black men. Black men are like, yeah, I'm good, thanks. Barack, you know, he's getting. I've never seen, unless it's something I can't think of. I've never seen Barack Obama not be smooth. Smooth. Even before the election. There was a pause, stuttering, not confidence, Pat's always saying, it's in the eyes, chico. It's in the eyes. The eyes look flustered. All right, maybe he had an L right there. But it's not just him, him, because he's wearing the entire Democratic establishment on his back. And he just realized, oh, this whole thing just crumbled. So where does he even go from here?
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah. So in a minute, I'll say some things that you guys might disagree with. But, but first, I understand exactly what you guys are saying. So look, one of the things that I said in that Elon tweet about the Pentagon was I'd rather be in the populist woods than in an establishment prison. And so these guys have been running the prison for a long time. And I don't mean Obama as a Democrat. I mean Obama, Biden, Pelosi, but also Mitch McConnell and the, and Cheney and Bush, et cetera. The uni party has. And if you went outside the guardrails, and as happened to me at msnbc, you're, you know, you've got issues, right? You go outside the guardrails, you got issues. And that right there was him going, I can't believe there's a prison break. What happened? We had you guys bottled up and you were supposed to listen to our. And we had mainstream media on lockdown. And then the View and Morning Joe would tell you to shut up and vote for us. And you would shut up and vote for us. And when I say us again, let's be clear, because Joe Scarborough was telling you to vote for George Bush and Dick Cheney 100%. And then all of a sudden he's voting for the Democrats and Biden and Kamala Harris. Right. Because it's the Uni Party. And so Scarborough is a Republican. He's just an old school Republican. And so there's what you guys, I see it even more clearly than you guys that there is a meltdown in the Democratic establishment because their worldview got rocked. They thought, we're in charge. We're going to get to run this thing forever. And no one's allowed to really disagree with us. And if they do, we'll cancel them. We'll, you know, your characterization.
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Patrick Bet-David
They almost did, though.
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Cenk Uygur
But.
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Patrick Bet-David
They almost did. They almost did if you think about it. But by the way, Peter Thiel set this on Barry Taibi's interview. I don't know if you saw that. It's a phenomenal, it's worth on the fly back, drive back. It's worth you watching this one because Peter Thiel, you know, he thinks differently. He said Matt Taibi. Oh, yeah, not Matt. I'm sorry. Barry Weiss. Yeah, it's a phenomenon. I messaged, I told a phenomenal job. And so, But Peter says, you guys got to realize if the Eugene Carroll, if the going after Trump, if all the court everyday hearing, if the mugshot, if, if any of this stuff worked and he would have lost to Kamala, Trump's record would have been 2016. You got lucky. And we were right. I cannot tell you how important 2024 was because Trump winning, the people are saying, no, we were right. Trump was right. Kamala winning. Obama would have spoken in a different way, 100%. You know how he would have spoken? His demeanor, very different. We told you.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, we told you. So another way to frame popular as an establishment is outsiders versus insiders. And so even if you're a Democrat and you love Obama, you can't say that he's not an insider. He's an insider. Right? And so this was the outsiders going, we've had enough. We've had enough. You guys run this, ran this place for decade after decade and we can't stand it anymore. And you got, and I'll agree with one other small thing, and people on the left were mad at him when he started yelling at black men. You guys mentioned that, like, oh, how dare you and stuff. And even the left was like, whoa.
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Patrick Bet-David
Whoa, whoa, whoa, slow your roll.
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Cenk Uygur
Okay, so that's not your job here to come and yell at the voters, et cetera. But the parts I disagree with you guys on is because the reason why some folks are super worried on the left is because of the things that people on the right and the Trump team have said, like, first of all, why was I against Trump? We've gone through this. We don't have to relitigate it because he won this time, but he did, in my opinion. He tried to steal the last election. He had fake elector plot. He said, terminate the Constitution, et cetera. So when you see those things and if you believe those things, that he really did those things, as I do, you're concerned. You're concerned about democracy. You're concerned, is this guy going to leave office? You're concerned, is this going to happen? Number two, gerrymandering. The Democrats do it too, but the Republicans are kings at it. So when you gerrymander the hell out of a state, and all of a sudden, even though the state might be 50, 50, but the Republicans have a huge lead in the state on congressional districts, that's true. That's Real. And. And then the last thing is, look, you guys keep threatening to. And I don't mean you guys. I. And I don't mean all of the right wing, but I do definitely mean some of the right wing. Right. Keep threatening to arrest Dr. Fauci, arrest Liz Cheney, arrest this person, arrest that. Now, I think a preemptive partner on Liz Cheney is nuts. Like, she's not even charged with a crime. What are we even talking about? Right. On the other hand, it's. The idea that these people might get arrested is not crazy because people like Cash Patel have said, I got an enemies list, and if I'm the head of the Justice Department or I'm the head of the FBI, I'm gonna arrest them. So how could you say that that's crazy when that's what they threaten?
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Vinnie
But hold on. Check. You don't think that Dr. Fauci. Well, Mr. Fauci. Of all these people deserve. Especially with the House Select Committee coronavirus pandemic thing that just came out. The shit that this guy did and what they did and what they knew. Of course, these people belong in prison. And I get your. I get your angle on the Trump and you didn't like him, but steal the election chang 2020, they cheated. The FBI was at Twitter. Hold on. Okay, so check. Is the FBI at Twitter suppressing stories on social media? Not election interference, Cheating. Be honest with me. The FBI directed by the left. How is that not cheating?
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Cenk Uygur
Okay, brother, that's cheating.
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Vinnie
Come on. No, you're lying to the people.
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Cenk Uygur
No, let me explain any. So in 2016 and 2020, depends on what you mean by cheating. And rigged, Right? In the Democratic primary, Did they? And in 2024, did they rig it and cheated in a colloquial way?
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Vinnie
Yeah, still the word cheating.
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Cenk Uygur
Hold on, hold on. Let me explain the difference. So they rigged the debates to have as little debates as possible. In 2016, they had the DNC funnel money to Hillary Clinton through the states. So there's a ton of things that they did that rigged it in favor of Hillary Clinton. Clinton. But that's not. That's. You could call it rigging, you can call it cheating, but it's not cheating in terms of fixing the votes, changing the votes. They never changed the votes against Bernie. Bernie did actually lose, even though, like, all. But the reason he lost, in my opinion, is mainstream media is rigged against them. DNC is rigged against them, but they never change the votes. So you keep saying, like, the media is against me, brother. I mean, I'm a left Wing populist. The media has been against me from 24 7. Right from day one. I don't get to say, hey, the New York Times character assassinated me when I ran for Congress in 2020. I'd like them arrested. I get to say they character assassinated me. They're full of crap. And I'm gonna show you how full of crap they are. And I get to fight back and I get to have my voice, but I don't get to put them in jail.
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Vinnie
Okay, but Dr. Fauci, lying about gain of function in front of Congress. Check. Lying about what they were doing in a lab that we owned and then shut down the world killed all these people. Have you read the book, the Real Dr. Fauci? That book is this. Check. If you haven't read that book to know exactly who this guy is, that's step one, number two. And Pat, I think we're going to get into the stories of what the select committee talked about. But Chang, if you knew that they were doing gain of function and this thing leaked and you were responsible for it, and you lied in front of Congress.
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Cenk Uygur
You lied.
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Vinnie
It's a fact. He lied and people are dead. I have friends. Check. That are vaccine injured? Not that long, Covid. Bullshit. Vaccine injured. One of them is in this building. She's. She's affected by it. That guy doesn't belong to go to. He belongs in jail 100%. So? So hold on. Check. None of them deserve prison. Nobody that has effed up this guy. They've been cheating since 2015. There has to be accountability. Check. We deserve that.
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Cenk Uygur
No. So a couple things here. Look, when they said it's not the Wuhan lab, they still haven't said it definitively.
- [57:32]
Vinnie
They're still like, possibly. Bullshit. We know it came from China. Why do we have to keep tippy toeing about it?
- [57:39]
Cenk Uygur
So look, I'm on tape on all these things at the time, not later. I said, look, brothers, you're telling me a giant virus broke up, broke out right next to the Wuhan virus lab?
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Vinnie
Yeah, Right.
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Cenk Uygur
One of the biggest virus labs in the world. And you expect me to believe it broke out right next door to it, but because of a bat and a different kind of animal, et cetera, I'm like, like less likely, more likely, he broke out of the lab. So when Rand Paul was first questioning Fauci, I was a little skeptical. And then at some point I was like, wait, that's an interesting point. Okay, so I hear you on all that, but we cannot arrest people for things we don't like or we don't agree with. So if you're saying, hey, here's a specific crime, okay, I'm willing to listen to any specific crime. Are you kidding me? On corruption, there's tons of crimes that we could have conversations both sides. On both sides, right. But it's gotta be a crime. We cannot go around arresting people for because we don't agree with them politically. That's super dangerous.
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Vinnie
So do you think him. And this is talking in Washington, which I think is going to happen, him talking about pardoning. So here's the thing. Why would you want to pardon Adam Schiff, Dr. Fauci and Liz Cheney of all people, unless they've done. It's not Trump's coming after them. Because this whole Trump the Boogeyman coming after Chang is bullshit. Because it's the left.
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Cenk Uygur
But you consider us.
- [58:53]
Vinnie
Dr. No, I, me personally, from the shit that he's done, especially with 1000% because people have died because he lied, plain and simple.
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Cenk Uygur
But that's freaking people out. Like you guys are freaked out that Trump was arrested. That's freaking out the Democrats. And when you guys start talking about arrest.
- [59:09]
Vinnie
We did good, good. Let them be freaked out. To hell with all of them. Because we check. We want accountability. The guy won. I know.
- [59:16]
Cenk Uygur
I love.
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Vinnie
Everybody was shocked. You don't like Trump because of the personality. Check. You say, you know, he's a comment, he's a cookie. Lies that America spoke. We don't give a shit about that. Check. It's the policy. He's been the policy guy from day one. But accountability. I love that the left is panicking. They're all scurrying like freaking rats. We deserve accountability. And if that guy's guilty, we want prison. One person has to go to jail, Cenk. We need one of them.
- [59:39]
Cenk Uygur
But Vinny, that's why Obama gave that speech. Because he's worried that you're going to say, okay, hey, I don't have a crime yet, but I want these guys. I didn't say that.
- [59:46]
Vinnie
No, there's no crime without you. He lied in front of Congress about a virus. Gain of function. They mess with animals in a jump.
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Patrick Bet-David
Let me say something here. And then I want to go to the committee as well as I want to go to the partners that they're talking about doing. You know, when you think about why to me, when I rank the events that helped Trump win in a landslide victory and landslide, you know, the majority is. You're right. Republicans rarely win the majority. But he won and that's a big victory for them to get that. It's the seven states is really what it is for me. And the plus minus of all states, states. That's kind of how I look at it when I think about. I think Musk is number one. But I think that day when Bobby walked out at the Turning Point USA event and he got up and he said, I'm here now. And I asked myself, why are so many people fans of Robert Kennedy Jr. Why is it actually think of it. He was an environmental lawyer. Give me one thing about environmental lawyer he did that you still remember to talk about. Most people don't know that, you know what I'm saying? Like imagine.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, I do, because I knew Bobby.
- [60:52]
Patrick Bet-David
But what I'm saying is you do business, your work.
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Cenk Uygur
The average guy.
- [60:55]
Patrick Bet-David
The average guy doesn't know. It's like, what are you talking about? Right? But if you ask the average guy right now, hey, what's the one thing about Bobby and why you support him? They're going to bring up that Fauci book. By the way, that Anthony Fauci book he wrote In November of 2021 ish, got 26,000 reviews. And he got those 26,000 reviews very quickly. Fauci stopped the world. Fauci hurt a lot of people. Fauci manipulate and use this power in ways that was disgusting and it was unattractive. And by the way, my concern isn't like, look, do I want to see Fauci go back to jail? No. What they did to Nixon, not go back to jail. I don't know if he's been to jail.
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Vinnie
Go to jail, go to jail.
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Patrick Bet-David
Nixon, Watergate was that good for America. Yeah.
- [61:42]
Cenk Uygur
Because it got a crook out of office.
- [61:44]
Patrick Bet-David
Okay. I believe that's exactly how people feel about Fauci. They believe he's a crook and he needs to be held accountable. And history needs to write that he's a crook. Look at the way you responded about Nixon. That movie needs to be made the same way Anthony Hopkins played Nixon. Somebody needs to play Fauci and show the dark side of this man what he did to America.
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Cenk Uygur
Okay, good.
- [62:06]
Patrick Bet-David
Not jail to me. Pure account. That's all I care. I don't care whether you go to jail or not. He's an 82, 83 year old man. Go do your thing and get away and write a book and, you know, give the argument how sexy you are to Guardian newspaper and whatever you want to do, go out and do it. For me, it's purely what they did. To Nixon. And what Nixon did is one tenth of what this guy did with this, in my opinion. I think there needs to be a level of accountability for that. But I'm going to read this and we'll still continue with the discussion here. So. House COVID 19 panel releases final report criticizing public health response to the pandemic. The House Select Subcommittee of the Coronavirus Ohio, chaired by Ohio Republican Brad Wenstrup released a 520 page final report concluding the virus most likely emerge from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. Rob, if you want to go ahead and play this clip. Is the clip you have with Rogan, or is it? It is.
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Tom
Rogan's discussing the findings of the House Select Committee.
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Patrick Bet-David
Oh, okay. Go ahead and play the clip.
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Cenk Uygur
The house released a 500 page report on COVID 19 pandemic key findings. COVID 19 likely originated from a lab related incident in Wuhan, China. Crazy. You get banned from YouTube for saying that. Banned.
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Vinnie
Okay.
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Cenk Uygur
Over $200 billion in relief funds lost to fraud with criminals exploiting weak oversight, Prolonged lockdowns and arbitrary mandates caused severe harm. Harm, economic devastation, mental health crises and historic learning loss. While lacking robust scientific support policies ignored natural immunity, pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science.
- [63:42]
Vinnie
Absolutely.
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Cenk Uygur
Who? And cdc compromised by political interference, offering inconsistent unscientific guidance that fueled public distrust. And the key players included federal agencies. And Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence.
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Tom
Christ.
- [64:03]
Cenk Uygur
Select Subcommittee on Coronavirus Pandemic basically said all the conspiracy theorists were correct. Every single one of them. No repercussions, no retraction.
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Vinnie
Did you hear that? And check. Did you guys hear that? He said even federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence. That's from just the ground level. Fauci is the head. He's been around for how many presidencies, how many presidents? And check. I'm telling you, brother to brother, you have to read this book. Because only then you'll get the context of who this freaking demon is. And I'm not one of these people. So check for the left to say, oh, you guys want him to arrest. And what has the left been doing? Think of all the shit they've done to him with weaponizing the FBI, Obama spying on his freaking campaign, Russian collusion, all the law fare, the two fake impeachments, shooting him in his freaking head. And the other side is talking shit like, oh, he's gonna come after us. That's that. That story is over. Nobody wants to hear it. This. This is accountability, bro. This freaking rat wasn't this snake. It almost reminds you of problem, reaction, solution, okay? The problem, you get the problem, you get the freaking virus that comes out of a lab that we own. The reaction, the media, everybody comes, and then the solution is vaccines. And then you demonize people. I'm happy that you played this back. They made Joe Rogan look green. CNN made him look green because they don't want Ivermectin, which. Tom, isn't that like the cheapest, most safest thing? Did they ban it?
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Tom
Yeah, Ivermectin was a proven antiviral. You had foreign aid workers, UNICEF workers used to be given it when they would go to, like, areas where a typhoon hits Bangladesh and there's all this mosquito and all this other stuff going on there, and they would give them cholera shots, and we're giving them Ivermectin to prevent the malaria. That drug had been had a purpose and a use for years.
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Cenk Uygur
So, look, I disagree with you guys on the vaccine. I disagree with Joe Rogan on the vaccine. Hold on, hold on. Why?
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Vinnie
I want to hear this.
- [66:02]
Cenk Uygur
Hold on, hold on, hold on. But what I disagree with more is shutting the conversation down. So that was the number one problem in what Joe was just talking about, because it turned out that it likely is from the Wuhan lab, but we were shutting that conversation down. Gain of function is an important and interesting conversation, but we were shutting that down.
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Vinnie
Why? When you say we should check why and who was doing a check? Why? Why were they in lockstep shutting it down on purpose? Check. Why? Why do you think? Why? They were ignorant.
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Cenk Uygur
No. Yeah.
- [66:36]
Vinnie
Oh, come on.
- [66:37]
Cenk Uygur
Hold on, hold on. Look, the establishment has certain groups think everybody. These, all the bubbles have groupthink, right? In the establishment. Groupthink, they genuinely believe we like. Our position is the objective position. Now, you think that's nuts. Like, oh, you privilege your own position. And I think it's a totally corporate position, an insider position. And they say we're objective, but they genuinely believe it.
- [66:58]
Patrick Bet-David
So.
- [66:58]
Cenk Uygur
And in their mind, they're like, all of these lies are getting out and people are dying. They got to take the vaccine. They're going to die if they don't take the vaccine. So that's why they have this in their minds, a legitimate concern about it. And in fact, I think it is a legitimate concern if you were spreading massive misinformation, et cetera, et cetera. But my answer to that concern isn't, let's. No one's allowed to have a conversation. And this is the official position. My thing is, you say that about the vaccine, I say this about the vaccine, and we fight and we fight and then people, you. The problem with the establishment is they don't trust the American people to make their own decisions. Okay? So I think that's the core of the problem that Rogan's talking about there, and he's right about that. Even if we disagree on the vaccine or fauci, et cetera, the left has got to stop trying to. And to be fair, again, it's not the left. For example, Andrew Cuomo. The left was against Andrew Cuomo from day one. We were against him on the COVID we were against him on the corruption, nonstop help to his real estate donors, et cetera. So as much as I like his brother Chris, right? I've had issues with Andrew Cuomo for 20 years. And what did the establishment do? They shut it down. They shut it down. And number one tool they have against outsiders is character assassination. So that's why I understand you guys when you say, hey, Trump, you guys are doing a character assassination of him. You went after him legally, you went after him, his reputation, et cetera. They did the same thing to Bernie. They called his supporters brown shirts and Nazis when he's like the most prominent success, successful Jewish candidate in American history, right? And they, they did the same thing to me. Smear jobs from the New York Times. Oh, you're anti Muslim? Hey, I am Muslim. Okay? So I hate the New York Times.
- [68:38]
Patrick Bet-David
And they.
- [68:38]
Cenk Uygur
And, and so, like, I mean, what kind of a preposterous.
- [68:43]
Tom
There is the T shirt.
- [68:44]
Cenk Uygur
Yeah, okay, so look, you guys know I'm atheist now, but not mentioning that I have a Muslim background and pretending that I'm anti Muslim. So I've been through all those wars, Vinnie, but neither side should arrest people for their opinions. Shut down things, cancel culture. I mean, look, you want to talk about right wing cancel culture, you go ahead, criticize Israel on a college campus, See what happens. You literally get arrested. You literally get. I mean, Ron DeSantis here in Florida has a law that if you're a company and you don't believe and you are in favor of boycott, divestment of sanctions of Israel. They say, oh, we're going to take away your life, we're going to cancel your government contract because you dare to disagree with Israel. Well, fuck that. I mean, is this America or isn't it? So if you're going to be outsiders, let's be outsiders. Let's rumble Right. And then I, you know, again, there are things we agree on and we should focus on those and we should try to get those.
- [69:35]
Patrick Bet-David
So, you know, I'm all for debate. Give your argument. We're on the Florida thing where there's. But for me.
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Cenk Uygur
But can I just say one last thing about that, though? But look, when you guys get this upset about Fauci, right, And all the things that you think he did wrong, understand that that's exactly what the left thinks about Trump.
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Vinnie
But this is. But we have proof. Nope.
- [69:55]
Cenk Uygur
No, no, no. I know, Vinny, I have proof. No, we have proof, Vinny. I'm not talking about the facts. And we could debate the facts on Trump. We could debate the facts on Fauci. I just want you to understand what they feel. And what I'm trying to explain to the left is what you guys feel. And they're getting mad at me saying, no, no, no, no. They're the enemy. They're the enemy. Me. Don't try to understand what they feel. Don't try to understand their perspective. I'm trying to get the country to talk to one another, the right wing and left wing. So as angry as you are about Fauci, that's how angry people are about Trump on the left. So now you understand why they act the way that they do. And for those, my friends on the left, as angry as you were about Trump, understand that's how Vinny feels about Fauci.
- [70:35]
Vinnie
Yeah, right. With, with fact, with facts and results.
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Patrick Bet-David
Because of him lying in front of 77 million people. Just, just remember that. 77 million people, every state turning more red. They want to know what the hell Fauci did. Yeah. We have four kids under the age of 12 and under. Right. I can't. If I didn't have. These kids didn't have the luxuries that their dad had, where I brought them to the office every day. I was their teacher. I homeschooled my kids for the whatever few months. You were there, were you there? You were there?
- [71:06]
E
I was shooting hoops every day.
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Patrick Bet-David
They had P.E. at the office, they had classes they were taking, they had homework. They had to do it. Actually, for us, it was a great opportunity because we got very close during that time. But for the average person, Covid destroyed a lot of relationships, businesses, jobs, memories of third generation restaurant that was shut down because of this guy named Fauci. There needs to be accountability for that because when the future pandemic happens where Peter Hotez. Rob, if you can just pull up that clip Clip Peter Hotez, who is one of the sexiest men in America according to the left. When you compare it, good news for me.
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Cenk Uygur
Maybe I'm sexy.
- [71:44]
Patrick Bet-David
No, no. This guy's like, listen. I mean, he is. He did not want to debate Bobby R.F. kennedy. We ended up raising three and a half million dollars for him to agree to go on Joe Rogan's podcast with Bobby. And he says no, he didn't want to do it. He says it's not healthy for America for us to do it because we have nothing to debate. We were right. Right, here's Peter Hotels, AKA Nostradamus, making a prediction. Go ahead, Rob.
- [72:12]
Cenk Uygur
Here's the reason why we need to care about this stuff, Nicole, is that we have some big picture stuff coming down the pike starting on January 21st. Mr. Bloomberg mentioned H5N1 that I'm really worried about. It's all over. Wild birds on the western part of the United States and going up in the north, it's getting into the poultry. We're seeing sporadic human cases. No human to human transmission yet.
- [72:38]
Patrick Bet-David
But that could happen.
- [72:39]
Cenk Uygur
It's in the cattle, it's in the milk. And that's just the beginning. We have another major coronavirus likely brewing in Asia. We've had SARS in 2002, SARS 2 COVID 19 in 2019. And we know these viruses are jumping from bats to people thousands of times a year. But there's still more there. We know that we have a big problem with mosquito transmitted viruses all along the Gulf coast where I am here in Texas or expecting dengue and possibly Zika virus coming back or a pooch, a virus, maybe even yellow fever. And there's more than we have all this sharp rise in vaccine preventable to do list.
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Patrick Bet-David
You can pause it by now, by the way. By the way, can you play the clip I just sent you, Rob? This is the one when he was on Rogue Rogan, okay. And Rogan asks him a basic question. And the question is, you know, do you think vitamins are needed while you eat junk food? And he's asking him, like, do you exercise? Do you eat right? Do you do this? Yeah, I probably shouldn't be eating junk food. Like what's better, taking a vaccine or eating good food? Now this is 4 minutes and 20 seconds. While we're doing commentary, maybe Rob, you can listen to the what section that is. And it will play the 3040 second clip. But Peter Hotels, when you see that, what do you think about Tom, I'll come to you first.
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Tom
What I think About Peter, it's, you know, this guy's a learned scientist. I mean, I give him credit for that. But I sit back and I feel like here it is. Fear porn, nonspecific fear porn. Running down a list of things that each on their own. Right. Have an element of truth. Have mosquitoes transmitted viruses on the Gulf Coast? Yes. You know, you could go down this list. Are is H1 and is it H1N1? The. I think I just said that wrong. The bird virus, is that going between ducks and poultry, Wild ducks and poultry? Well, apparently it is in cases, but it's just. He's running down a list of things that are a little truth under the umbrella of. And worse. And by the way, all those things he's described have medical based propagations that you can mathematically see it go through populations of animals. It doesn't wait for Valentine's Day and say, okay, here come the hearts. He's out there with this fear porn. Rob, can you play this panel on the beginning 21st?
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Vinnie
Yeah.
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Tom
It's suddenly gonna jump out.
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Patrick Bet-David
Go ahead, play this clip.
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Cenk Uygur
Do you take care of your immune system in other ways? Do you take probiotics? Are you cautious about your diet?
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Patrick Bet-David
I'm not as cautious about my diet.
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Cenk Uygur
As I should be. I'm a junk foodaholic, actually. Well, that seems like a terrible thing for your health. It is a terrible thing for my health and something my wife is working on. But that seems ridiculous for someone who works with health. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes, man, I just don't get it. Right.
- [75:36]
Vinnie
Look at Joe.
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Cenk Uygur
What. How often, how often do I steal.
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Patrick Bet-David
A bag of chips or something like that?
- [75:42]
Cenk Uygur
Garbage. I don't know.
- [75:45]
Patrick Bet-David
Hopefully not every day, but, you know.
- [75:47]
Vinnie
Hopefully not every day.
- [75:47]
Cenk Uygur
Maybe four times a week.
- [75:49]
E
Often do cardio.
- [75:50]
Cenk Uygur
That's what Rachel and I with autism, that's like our thing is to go to the.
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Tom
It's called the burger joint or to.
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Cenk Uygur
Shake Shack to get a, to get a cheeseburger.
- [76:01]
Vinnie
We'll stick.
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Cenk Uygur
Sneak some fries though. So you live in large.
- [76:06]
Vinnie
We call it like that mouth pleasure.
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Cenk Uygur
So much you're willing to sacrifice a little bit. You know, I can. I have to concede that's the case. Well, there's. I mean, I don't have to tell.
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Vinnie
You, but there's a large body of.
- [76:20]
Cenk Uygur
Data that connects poor diet to a host of diseases.
- [76:25]
Vinnie
That seems like a crazy drinking water.
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Cenk Uygur
For a guy in your line of work.
- [76:28]
Vinnie
There you go.
- [76:29]
Cenk Uygur
Sometimes the, Sometimes the.
- [76:33]
Patrick Bet-David
It's not all brain, it's.
- [76:35]
Cenk Uygur
It's something else.
- [76:36]
Patrick Bet-David
But I Mean, this is uncomfortable to watch.
- [76:38]
E
And I just got my 12th booster.
- [76:40]
Vinnie
Because think about it, think about it. Think about.
- [76:43]
Patrick Bet-David
Vaccines are better than a proper diet is what he said.
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Vinnie
That's exactly what he's saying.
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Cenk Uygur
And then.
- [76:46]
Vinnie
But think about indirectly the warning. This is a warning. Okay? They're letting you know, just like they did with the pen with COVID where they had all this. They were setting us up for. This guy is a pandemic, a freaking planner. Like how the fact that he's saying the day after Trump guts in, there's a list, like a to do list of viruses that are pretty. He's giving us a heads up of what's going to be coming down like that. If that. Am I missing something?
- [77:12]
E
Are you saying that you don't trust anything he says?
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Vinnie
Did you see that, his smile? How if you just didn't know anybody, you didn't know him. Would you trust that guy with your health?
- [77:21]
E
Well, him or what he's predicting or predictions.
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Vinnie
What do you think him saying on the 21st when Trump comes in?
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E
Let me give you my explanation. I don't agree or disagree with that guy. I'm hearing what he's saying and saying, all right, this guy's a, what is it, a biologist, scientist, kind of probably knows a thing or two. But as Cenk was saying, let's have him debate somebody and have a conversation.
- [77:45]
Vinnie
He won't.
- [77:45]
Cenk Uygur
So.
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E
But if he doesn't debate, how do we, how can we be assured no porn.
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Tom
So the media is going to give him a sp soapbox.
- [77:53]
E
I don't know if he's pedaling it. I think he actually believes it. And the media.
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Tom
Okay, well then he's pedaling something that he actually believes, but he's wrong.
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E
I think the first time we heard about this guy was about six months ago.
- [78:02]
Patrick Bet-David
Yes.
- [78:03]
Vinnie
Peter Hotez. Hell no. He's been around.
- [78:05]
E
I've been rocking with Hotez for 10 years.
- [78:07]
Vinnie
He's been around.
- [78:08]
E
I never heard about this guy. I have, but I remember the height of his popularity came when RFK during his running for election was like, all right, well, let's have a conversation. And RFK was bumping out push ups. What was he doing, lifting weights?
- [78:27]
Vinnie
Yeah.
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E
And just jacked. Are you kidding me? Rfk? And he's like, how about you? And just in a geeky ass lab coat. But the two guys, they need to debate to have that conversation. One of the things that I have the most trouble with is anyone who says they knew exactly what was going on when this, when this covet thing started. No, you don't. You have no clue. Nobody did did, whether it was Trump, whether it was Biden, whether it was Fauci. But I remember in Dallas, I remember in Boca when we first started the podcast three, four years ago, if we even tried to have a conversation amongst ourselves or even with guys like Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Peter McCulloch, we would, what happened? PBD, what would happen to the channel? We'd get a strike, we'd get something. And people were very adamant about having this conversation. And me, I'm like, guys, I don't think it's just worth talking about. Is it worth losing the channel over? And some people with their conviction, not pbd, were like, yes, we need to have this conversation. I said, nothing's bigger than our channel. Imagine if Tyt got taken down. But I think the reality is these conversations need to happen. We need to have these debates. I don't know if this guy's right or wrong, but I want someone who's smarter than any of us to challenge him. Just like Rand Paul challenged Fauci. That's what needs to happen.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah. So look, I agree with Tom, he's a good scientist, et cetera, but they're kind of using him as an Alan Lichtman here, right? So the mainstream media will pick different so called experts to push out the point that they want to push out, right? So in this case, they want to scare the living crap out of you about January 21st. So as good a scientist as he might be, don't tell me that yellow fever might start on January 21st. That's nuts, right? That reminds me of Alan Lichtman's keys and. Oh, I know, I know. I'm the expert. I'm the expert, right? So now I got a super interesting story for you guys. About a decade ago, Bobby comes to me because we knew each other from like liberal circles back in the day and says, hey, I want to do this debate.
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Patrick Bet-David
Right?
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Cenk Uygur
Just like he wanted to do, to do debate like this here. Right? But he's been wanting to do it forever. Now. I don't agree with Bobby on vaccines, and I don't know how he knows better than 99% of the doctors and the scientists. But I said, okay, I love debates. So I tried to organize a debate a decade ago with Bobby and these guys, and I couldn't get a single scientist, professor, or anyone to debate this.
- [80:53]
Patrick Bet-David
Is when this was about 10 years.
- [80:54]
Cenk Uygur
Ago to about 2015, actually nine years ago.
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Vinnie
Okay, why is. Why?
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Cenk Uygur
Because they. Because this is what I'm trying to get the Democrats and the left to stop thinking in this way because they think even the debate misleads people because it leads them to think maybe it's 50, 50 or 60, 40, right? And it's platforming, et cetera. And that's why they were like, oh, Kamala Harris shouldn't go on Joe Rogan. That'll platform Joe Rogan. No, you knuckleheads, he's trying to platform you. Like. And they think because they got this mindset of we're permanently in charge, right? And it's our rules, it's our playhouse.
- [81:31]
Patrick Bet-David
And you.
- [81:31]
Cenk Uygur
And this is the thing. So. So since they never Latin had to let Cenk Uger on or Anna Kasparian on, or Vinion or Pad on to cnn, msnbc, they think, well, we'll just shut them out. And. But again, guys, they genuinely believe it. They think this is super dangerous if we let it get out. So we, we've got to make sure they shut up. But that is not what America is about. America is about freedom. It's about all of us talking together and it's about some of us being wrong from time to time.
- [81:58]
Patrick Bet-David
Right?
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Cenk Uygur
And so that's why this attitude is wrong here. I got a proposal. Right. I like proposals. Why don't. Now the election's over, Bobby is likely going to be the head of Health and Human Services. Now you got to debate him right now they probably want to debate him. So why don't you and I, Pat, moderate a debate, okay? And I bet you they take it now. I don't know if Bobby will take it now because now he's going to be in charge potentially, right? But now that he's in this situation, whether it's before his confirmation, after his conference confirmation, but hell, before the confirmation would be amazing, right?
- [82:32]
Vinnie
You think Peter Hotez would sit down with you two and rfk?
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Cenk Uygur
I don't care if it's him or. But give me your best sign. Someone that I agree with, right? Someone that believes in vaccines. Someone that believes that the fluoride in the water is fine, whatever it is, but especially vaccines.
- [82:47]
Patrick Bet-David
Well, listen, I would personally give $5 million to a charity to sit down with a three hour podcast of Fauci and RFK, and he would never do it.
- [82:59]
Vinnie
Never.
- [82:59]
Patrick Bet-David
$5 million to any vaccine injured people. Matter of fact, Fauci gets to choose the charity. Okay? Two and a half million, Fauci's charity. Two and a half million, Bobby's charity. Five million dollars. Three hour sit down to Actually debate and he can't plead the fifth. If you plead the fifth, the money goes to the other charity of R.F. kennedy. You have to actually talk if you want to do that. We'll have that three hours hour because, because to me, like the person that we would like to see is that that's the debate in regards to Bobby. The one thing about Bobby that you have a relationship with him, you've known him a lot longer than I have. This guy's as true believer as possible. 11:00, I've told the story. 11:00 at night, I'm in Texas. We're trying to, they're asking us to get these new vaccines for the kids. I'm like, wait a minute, it now we're going to use religious exemptions. Our kids are going to Christian school. They said, you can't do that in Texas. I'm like, what are you talking about? You can use religious exemption in Texas. I said, we're in Texas. So I Text Bobby at 11:00, hey, do you know anything about this? Boom. Calls me. Jen and I are on the phone at 11 o'clock at night for an hour. He's three waying other people in Texas and he's finding out that guess what, you can't, they have to get the vaccine. We came to Florida. You know what we did in Florida? Florida with our 3 year old daughter, now she's 3 at the time she was a newborn, went to the doctor. Nah, we're not doing this, this, this, this, this. We're just going to do one religious exemption. No problem. Go for it. Right? Bobby was on the phone for an hour. Bobby will take any fight at any time. That guy's looking for it because he's a true believer. Yeah, there's something very unique about a true believer. But this guy's an establishment guy with all the fancy degrees and all the other stuff that he's done. More power to him. But he's not, he's, he's afraid, he's, he's protected by the establishment. Let me go to the next one here, Rob. Rob, can we pull up the video about all the different pardons Biden may be given here? So Biden White House is discussing preemptive pardons for those in Trump's crosshairs. Okay. And there's quite a few of them here. I don't know, Rob, if he's explaining in the video or not. Biden's aides, led by White House counsel Ed Cisco are debating preemptive pardons for Public affair officials could face retaliation, including Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney, Fauci Schiff rejected the idea, saying, I would urge the president not to do that. I think it would seem defensive and unnecessary. The time for cautious restraints is over. We must act with urgency to push back against these streets and prevent Trump from abusing its power, et cetera, et cetera. Rob, if you want to play this clip, go forward.
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Tom
Yeah, so this is just so you know, this is from 2020. This is joy Reed with Adam Schiff, where they talk about preemptive pardons when it comes to Donald Trump possibly pardoning his children and why that was a huge problem.
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Vinnie
Oh, weird.
- [85:48]
Patrick Bet-David
Barack Obama never had to think about.
- [85:50]
Cenk Uygur
Whether he needed to pardon Sasha and Bia. And yet Donald Trump is reportedly discussing.
- [85:54]
Vinnie
Pardons for his kids.
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Cenk Uygur
The presidential pardon was originally meant to grant the president power to temper justice with mercy. It was not enshrined in our Constitution so that a dishonorable man could reward his criminal allies, friends and family for their corrupt practices. Trump is considered preemptive pardons for his adult children. Late last night, we learned that Trump has discussed preemptive pardons for his three eldest progeny. The news was first reported by the New York Times.
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Patrick Bet-David
And joining me now is Congressman Adam.
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Cenk Uygur
Schiff of California, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
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Tom
Have you ever heard of somebody getting a preemptive pardon who was innocent of all crime, who's just an innocent person?
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Cenk Uygur
Have you ever heard of that? Just somebody getting a blanket pardon and they're an innocent person. But no, it's the President's own family. It's people that have been covering up for the President in addition to his own.
- [86:50]
Patrick Bet-David
This is hilarious. And so there is a self interest.
- [86:53]
Cenk Uygur
At play as well. It's been essentially a den of peace and thieves environment.
- [86:59]
Patrick Bet-David
And so I think the president used.
- [87:01]
Cenk Uygur
This as, as his way of trying to protect those that have protected him.
- [87:05]
Vinnie
Kevin Spacey right there.
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Patrick Bet-David
What's the other clip you got, Rob?
- [87:08]
Tom
The other is just an NBC analyst explaining why Biden should issue preemptive partners.
- [87:13]
Patrick Bet-David
Let's see what this person says. I'm curious. Clemency.
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Cenk Uygur
I hope that President Biden will also issue preemptive pardons to all of those people threatened by the injustice of what will become the Department of Justice in the Trump administration.
- [87:29]
Patrick Bet-David
That, of course, includes Jack Smith and.
- [87:31]
Cenk Uygur
All of his staff, many Department of Justice lawyers. It includes President Biden himself, although we.
- [87:38]
Patrick Bet-David
Don'T know that anyone can legally pardon themselves.
- [87:41]
Cenk Uygur
He will need a pardon because he is going to be harassed and charged.
- [87:45]
Patrick Bet-David
For no crimes whatsoever.
- [87:48]
Cenk Uygur
Donald Trump has promised that.
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Patrick Bet-David
Anthony, by the way, what's his name? Yesterday, I'm watching Rand Paul, and Rand Paul says Fauci is probably going to get a pardon. He's sane. And, you know, Rand Paul and those who have been going back and forth, he's probably going to get a pardon. Then he said Biden could potentially pardon his own brother and give the same kind of a pardon. And the trickiest one that was said is that he may even pardon himself because of what could happen. Now, has there ever been a president that pardoned themselves?
- [88:23]
Cenk Uygur
Not as far as I know. So, look, I used to be friends with Joy Reid when I was an anchor on msnbc. And so we had a huge falling out afterwards. And the reason is.
- [88:33]
Patrick Bet-David
What is that?
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Cenk Uygur
I mean, look, look at, look at the propaganda. So I'm principled. I don't think that Trump should have pardoned Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Charles Kushner. Charles Kushner's family had nothing to do with the administration at the time. But I also don't think Hunter Biden should be pardoned. I don't think Adam Schiff and, and all these people need to be pardoned. So what do we. First of all, there is no such. This, this is an invention. Preemptive pardon. What the f. Is that? Right? That's not a thing. Right. So you got to be charged with a crime. You actually have to be convicted of a crime before you get a pardon. But Trump screwed that up because the minute any of his allies were in trouble, I pardon. I pardon. So Trump definitely did it. But you can't. If you're Joy Reid or you're msnbc, you're these people. You can't say, I can't believe Trump was thinking of pardoning his family members or pardon. Oh, but of course Biden should pardon his family members and all of his allies, et cetera. So the idea of staying principled is just an anathema to them. They hate it. And so look, I have a suggestion. Let's see if we can agree to this one. I have one pardon suggestion for Trump, but Biden could beat him to the punch and get all the glory. Pardon Edward Snowden. Okay. Edward Snowden revealed, talking about that. The deep state.
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Tom
Yes.
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Cenk Uygur
Wiretapping us, listening to average American. Right. He's an American hero. The left wing populists have always thought Edward Snowden was a hero. And so can we get an agreement here that a pardon of Edward Snowden makes sense?
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Vinnie
I agree 100% that he needs to get pardoned. I do.
- [90:05]
Cenk Uygur
Yeah.
- [90:05]
Vinnie
What about you, Tom?
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Tom
100% and Silk Road.
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Cenk Uygur
Okay, so look, if we all agree that Edward Snowden should be pardoned, let's go pardon actual heroes. Pardon people who actually need a pardon. Pardon people who looked out for the American people rather than themselves.
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Vinnie
I agree.
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Cenk Uygur
So let's go. And by the way, if we all unite on these things. What do I mean by unite? Is that if we all push it together and like today, if it goes viral that Edward Stone should get the pardon, the good news about Trump, and this is I always give credit where credit is due, is he actually listens to people like he cares about his base. And this is what drives me crazy about the Democratic Party. They don't care about their base at all. They kind of don't like their base. Right. But when I put out the tweet about Elon Musk and cutting the Pentagon, why did Elon and Donald Trump Jr. Respond? Is it because of me? Maybe partially. But mainly it was because look at all those right wingers in the comments section going, yeah, caught the Pentagon. Yes. Conflict of interest rules for generals. And I bet I can get agreement on that here too. Right. But I am curious, do you guys want to cut the Pentagon?
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Vinnie
Of course.
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Patrick Bet-David
Cut the Pentagon. So, okay, so let's go through a couple different numbers because we actually just did this the other day. The annual budget of how much the U.S. government spent last year was what, Rob? $4.7 trillion. I think the number is $4.7 trillion. Okay. Of the $4.7 trillion, what is it? 6.1. I know, but I took the 1.4 out right there. About $4.5 trillion in revenue is what it gets. We spent 6.1 trillion. So about 4.5, 4.7 is the money that comes in that we collect. Right.
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E
Income is about 5 trillion, and our expenses is over 6. So we're well over a trillion.
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Patrick Bet-David
Of the 4 point. Of the 4.7 trillion, you know where we spend the most money? Rob, can you type in where, where we spend most of the money? What percentage goes to what? Do you know what it is?
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E
Yeah, I do.
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Patrick Bet-David
What is it?
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E
It's all Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.
- [92:05]
Patrick Bet-David
Those are the big, you know. What's three? Yeah. Okay, so now check this out.
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E
You know what's tied with the military?
- [92:10]
Patrick Bet-David
What's that?
- [92:11]
E
Is the interest on our debt.
- [92:13]
Patrick Bet-David
Right.
- [92:13]
E
But it's well over a trillion dollars.
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Patrick Bet-David
It is. So. So check this out. I got a couple ideas. If you go in there, I have A couple ideas on. If you zoom in, Rob. I just want to show the categories because I think it's 27%, 21%, 18%. Brandon, can you send it right images. So 21% Social Security, 18% National Defense, 15% Health, 13% Medicare. And if you go into charts for the audience to see, there's a few things that we need to do because this is the problem. I don't think that's the one. There's another one. That's a better one. That's an older one. Anyways, this. This is my thoughts on this. And actually we. We put some time thinking about, do you know what us just 150 years ago, do you know where 100% of our revenue was coming from?
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E
Tariffs.
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Patrick Bet-David
100% was tariff. Tariffs.
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Vinnie
100%.
- [93:03]
Patrick Bet-David
Yeah.
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E
No income tax.
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Patrick Bet-David
We lived. Everything for us was off of tariffs. Okay. Everything for us was off of tariffs. Okay. Do you know the U.S. government, what percentage of the U.S. income they were living off of? Meaning the money that we make. The money that we make that they tax. 2%. Now it's 37%. They rely on what we do and what we produce. Okay. Tariffs. We get rid of tariffs. We introduce taxes. Every time taxes was introduced, you know what it was due for? War. Right. Let's do this. War. No problem. What's his name? Comes out Lincoln. Comes out Civil War. Hey, guys, we need to tax you up to 7%. It's tears. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Great. Once we pay off the debt for the war, we'll stop taxing you. Guess what happened 10 years later?
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Vinnie
Another war.
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Patrick Bet-David
No, they paid off the war. They stopped taxing, Inc. Oh, so it's like, okay, we're done. Next. Okay, we're done. Boom. Next. Do you know in 1894 what happened, Rob? Type, type. In 1894, Supreme Court ruled. I think it's called something against farmers. Polack against farmers. Type in Polak against farmers. Do you know in 1894 what Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional income taxes? In 1894, Supreme Court ruled Pollock versus Farmers. That federal income tax was unconst. That's just a hundred years ago. Just 100 years ago. Then what happens? Then all of a sudden we have 1913. Two things happen in 1913, right before World War I. What is it? Federal Reserve and taxes gets introduced. What happens in 1914? You got World War I starts, then what happens? You know what happens Next in the 30s, you know, when we introduce them, we accepted the taking income from your paycheck. Nobody did that. It's it's still, what do you call it when you're taking income? Payroll taxes. And American people are like, yeah, let's agree to it. Dead. From that moment on, you were done. You agreed for the government to take taxes before you make money. That was like, this is what we fought for. Right? So then fast forward to today. Do you know right now with the revenues that we get, get what the exact dollar amount the US Government gets from tariffs now? Do you know what the exact dollar amount we get from tariffs? What do you think the dollar amount income that comes into them. Oh, from us, they're getting $4.7 trillion, give or take. Right? How much are we of the $4.7 trillion that the US gets? What percentage you think is other countries paying tariffs?
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E
Less.
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Patrick Bet-David
What do you think's the dollar amount? Give me the dollar. Am wrong. Of the 4.7 trillion, what do you think is the dollar amount that we collect?
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E
50 billion.
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Patrick Bet-David
What do you think? 50 billion out of 4.7 trillion.
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E
That's very low.
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Patrick Bet-David
That's like 99.9% is on point two. 1.2. What trillion? What do you think it is, Tom?
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E
No, I don't think it's in the trillions, I'm guessing. I think it's in the billions.
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Tom
I'm, I'm gonna stay closer to a trillion and a half.
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Patrick Bet-David
Trillion and a half. You know what the numbers. $80 billion.
- [96:08]
E
Look at this guy.
- [96:11]
Patrick Bet-David
Look at this guy. Tom.
- [96:12]
E
Yes.
- [96:13]
Patrick Bet-David
Tell me you're, tell me you're not shell shocked. Please tell me you're not shell shocked.
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Tom
I'm completely shell shocked. So why powers active?
- [96:21]
Patrick Bet-David
Check this out.
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Tom
Revenue Act.
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Patrick Bet-David
You may be asking yourself. I asked, brother. I asked you a question about Pentagon. What the hell does this have to do with Pentagon? You know what it has to do with Pentagon? Do you know right now we tax 2% tariffs? Our average tariff is 2% on countries because it's $4 trillion that we get. We tax 2%. What's 2%? $80 billion. Do you realize if we raised across the board that 4 trillion that you're doing business with us across the board, we raise tariffs to 25% no matter what country it is. We now generate a trillion dollars. Now let me go to the other part. Do you know how much military personnel we have in Japan? Do you know how much military personnel we have in Japan, give or take? How many soldiers do we have in Japan right? Right now? 20,000, 52,000 people, give or take. Why do we have 52,000 people in Japan? We're protecting from who? From possibly what?
- [97:14]
E
China.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay. North Korea. North Korea. China. We have military in South Korea. Okay, but who's providing protection? We are. Right. Okay. Do you know who we owe the most money to? Japan. They have, they have a trillion one bond on us.
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E
In our bonds.
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Patrick Bet-David
In our bonds. Right. Do you know if you calculate from 1945, give or take till today that we've had all those soldiers there, how much that investment has been to Japan? Roughly $410 billion. So say half a trillion dollars. So what if we go and we negotiate with Japan and we say to follow. Listen, guys, we appreciate you guys. You're amazing. We're willing to continue to provide you protection from all the enemies around you. However, that trillion and a half loan, the bond that you bought, we have to split it in half because since 1945 we've given you protection. We got to cut this out. This has got to be gone. We're not doing this anymore. Moving forward. So our debt from 1.1 officially became $600 billion. Great. Moving forward, all the other countries, minimum 25%. Boom. Our income now went from 80 billion to what, a trillion dollars. We did the math yesterday. I'm sorry, not yesterday, three days ago. On what it would take for us to make income taxes zero in us. You know, it's actually possible. Do you know it's actually possible to make income taxes zero? It'll take 10 years to get there, but we can actually make income taxes zero. Some adjustments, a big part of it was eliminating things like Pentagon, getting rid of many of these military. The stuff that we have, 800 military bases worldwide. What are we doing? And we're paying for it. No, you pay for it. We're giving you protection. If I. Right now. Yesterday we gave away a few hundred Christmas trees out of property. It was a sick experience. I don't know if you were out there or not. It was freaking awesome out there. People were coming, taking cars. They're like, what do I have to pay you? Nothing. Take a seven foot Christmas tree on us from Carolina. Take that stand, take these ornaments. God bless. Merry Christmas. People are in tears, crying yesterday while they're there, right? Literally crying. We had 30 police officers there yesterday day. We had security over there. Are they doing it for charity? No, the security is protecting. Right. What do you do with security? You have to provide them, of course. If we're providing all the security for all these countries, why are we paying for it? You got to pay us forward. Right? So there are so many ways that the Way money is managed right now, which is absolutely ridiculous, that if we actually sat there. This is why I'm excited about doge, the Department of Government Efficiency. See if there's anybody that can pull off firing and cutting and get them. Do you know what percentage of government employees show up to work every day? Do you know what percentage?
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Vinnie
40.
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Patrick Bet-David
Do you know what percentage of government employees have to come and work at the office every day? You know what the percentage is?
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Vinnie
Is it less than 4?
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Patrick Bet-David
6%?
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Vinnie
What?
- [100:02]
Patrick Bet-David
Right there, read it. Speaker, bulk at Senate report showing only 6% of federal workers show up in person on a full time basis.
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Vinnie
What the hell are they doing?
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Patrick Bet-David
Doing work from home.
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Cenk Uygur
They could be part time, like so. Yeah. It doesn't mean that that's the only people that show up. It just means that only 6% are showing up. 5.
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Patrick Bet-David
Even if we take 50% of it and let's just say the full unbelievable number. So that number is still nut. What's the point though? Hey, you want to work from home? Go in the free market and see if you make it. Yeah, go. Because you know who's paying that? You know who's paying that? We're paying for that. There, there is like a decision like this we can make where half our expenditure can be gone within two years literally. And we have to put everything on the table. What do you guys do? Jon Stewart asks you, hey, how do you miss an audit for Pentagon? Well, I don't like the way you say it because that's not really what it is. I'm sorry, what other way is it? Have you seen this interview with Stewart and the lady?
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, no, I didn't see it, but that infuriates me, so. No, look, you missed seven audits in a row. If that happens in a private company, you're in a world of trouble. If you miss one audit, where's the money?
- [101:03]
E
You're a zombie company at that point.
- [101:05]
Cenk Uygur
And if you're a CEO of a company company and your cfo, your chief financial officer screws it up so that he, he misses it, we. You can't pass an audit and your investors don't know where the money is, that brother's going to get fired and he's going to get fired in the first year, not in the seventh year. So if I was Trump and you know, and I said, hey, look, put me in, coach, right? If I'm Trump, Elon, etcetera, I'd ask the generals, where's the effing money? If you can't tell me where $400 billion is because they missed by about 400 billion. If you can't show me where $400 billion of our money is, you either find the money or you find your next job.
- [101:43]
Patrick Bet-David
Okay?
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Cenk Uygur
Period. I'm not interested in. I can't find $400 billion. I mean, in 2015, this is again, this platforming bullshit. They buried a report because they don't want it to get out from the Pentagon that they knew for a fact $125 billion was just waste, fraud and abuse. I mean, they're just robbing us blind. Soap dispensers sold by Boeing at an 800% markup. Okay? Can you do that in a real business? You can't do that in a real business. But if in the Pentagon. And guys, remember, why did I pick the Pentagon? Because that's a place where, if you ever questioned it, the establishment would say, how dare you? You're endangering national security. You're going to get us all killed if we don't pay 800% mark up for soaps. And you remember the, like the golden toilets and the $800 troops, Jack? Yeah, support the troops. So when they did that, remember I fought Dick Cheney before he was in the Democratic Party. And, and I'd say support the troops. I looked it up at the time and now it's a tiny bit better, but not much. This incoming salary for service members was $19,000. $19,000 a year. Where's the support the troops. The money isn't going to the troops. The money's going to Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, et cetera. Okay, so let's go. I mean, Look, Bernie and AOC suggested a bill to cut the Pentagon by about 88, $89 billion a bunch of. A couple of years back, right? And it went nowhere because the Republicans voted against. The Democrats vote against it. The establishment never wants to cut the Pentagon. You tell me we need twice as much money as we did just like 10 years ago. Bullshit did. They're robbing us blind. They're robbing us blind now. So look, here's another agreement of the Internet, the right wing, the left wing, the outsiders saying, for God's sake, cut the Pentagon. Look, I would say at least $100 billion. If you're not cutting $100 billion. You didn't even try.
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Patrick Bet-David
Oh, no, no, no, no. We, we, we can cut, in my opinion, 2 trillion. And you know what? My. Hey, to all the people that paid in old folks, we're going to take care of you moving forward. Anybody Else you paid in this much. Here's money back to you. Do whatever you want to do moving forward. There's no Social Security. However, when you're above 65 years old, if you choose to work after 65 years old, you pay no income taxes. Go out there, you're not paying any taxes. If you choose to work for a few years, you're making 180 grand. You're going to go five more years, seven more years. That 180 grand you make over next five years or your $78,000 you make over the next seven years. Guess what? Zero taxes. Save all of it. That because we're living to 90 years old. So what are we doing? Back in the days when Social Security was introduced at 62, 65, we were dying at 62. Only a few thousand people actually got Social Security. We have to make some bold decisions with this. By the way, going back to the pardon, do you know which presidents have pardoned the most people? Because you said pardon. Trump pardoned this guy. Trump pardoned that guy. You know who's pardoned the most? People. People. It's interesting when you think about it. Do you think more Republicans pardon people or Democrats pardon people?
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Vinnie
Democrats.
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Cenk Uygur
My guess is if you're bringing it up, it was Democrats.
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Patrick Bet-David
But watch this. That. You know what, I didn't know until you said that. So when you said that, I was like. Because, you know, I said gerrymandering. Typically Republicans, historically, it's true. It's known that they're more creative when it comes down to the gerrymandering stuff. Okay, fine, 60, 40 Republicans do more than Dems. But pardons. Watch this. Gro. Pull this up and do me a favor right there. Watch this. Go ahead, ahead. FDR pardoned the most people. Nearly 4000 liberal. Wilson, 2480 liberal. Truman, 2000. Obama is fourth place. Where nearly 2000 people on the leaders board. Coolidge, I think was a conservative. If I'm Republican, if I'm not mistaken, Hoover, Hoover, Grant, Johnson, Eisenhower, Cleveland, Roosevelt, Nixon. Where's Trump? Hayes, Harding, Taft, Harrison, John F. Kennedy. Where is Trump?
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Vinnie
Keep going.
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Patrick Bet-David
Carter, Clinton for where is Trump? Lincoln, Reagan. Where is Trump? 237.
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Cenk Uygur
Wow.
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Vinnie
There he is.
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Patrick Bet-David
Do you realize Trump only pardoned 10% of what Obama pardon?
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Cenk Uygur
Wow.
- [105:53]
Patrick Bet-David
And you guys are talking about Trump partners.
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Cenk Uygur
No, but Pat, it depends on who you pardon. So for example, hold on, hold on. For example, Clinton's really low on that list. But who did he pardon at the end? He pardoned all of his donors. So, like you see what I'm saying it's not just the raw number. They might have given pardons to people who deserved it. You know, after a war, sometimes they pardon folks who didn't serve in the war, et cetera. Right. But Clinton pardon Mark Rich, who was a super rich donor of his. So when you pardon people that are in your family, like he did with Charles, like Trump did with Charles Cushion, that's the issue.
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Patrick Bet-David
What's worse than pardoning your own son?
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, I agree with you.
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Patrick Bet-David
So for.
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Cenk Uygur
But again, on principle, I agree with.
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Patrick Bet-David
I understand. So all I'm saying is sometimes you hear about pardon. Guess what? Moving forward, now we know who pardoned a lot of people who didn't pardon a lot of people. 237 is as much as they talk, the way the media paints Trump as if he pardoned 17,000 people. 237 is who we pardon. Okay. And we're going to see here who Biden is going to be partnered with the next few weeks. That's going to be real interesting thing. While we're going through this whole situation anyways, let's go to the next story. Catastrophic situation here with United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson killed outside Manhattan Hotel. Rob, if you can play the clip and stop, just show a little bit. I don't want to show the whole clip. The audience can see it. It is tough. This is the CEO of UnitedHealth. If you want to play it while he's walking and then when the guy pulls up the gun, just stop it. Go for it. So it's around 7am pause. The pause right there. Boom, there you go. Okay. Right there. If you could pause. Okay, fantastic. Okay. Yeah. So you see this, by the way? He's by himself. They interviewed his security. They said on this trip he didn't have security. Normally when you're top 20, top 50, they all have somebody. He's going by himself to the meeting. This setup takes place. I think he shoots him, if I'm not mistaken, six times. If you see the clip, it gets stuck. He continues. And there's a lot of story behind it of being an inside job. The guy on the bullets had two words on it.
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Vinnie
Three words.
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Patrick Bet-David
Three words.
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Vinnie
What was it, Rob? Deny, delay and oppose.
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Patrick Bet-David
Deny, delay. What is it? Deny, depose, pose, and then defend. New NYPD is investigating the possible message which appears to include the words deny the post and defend written on live rounds and show cast cases left behind by masked assassin. Vinnie, what do you know about the story?
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Vinnie
Well, I, I mean, first of all, Pat, I mean, obviously tragic for, you know, he has a wife, I think he has two kids, Rob. So, you know, you know, prayers go out to them. But. So he was. He was pronounced dead at Mount Sinai. And then apparently he was earning $10 million salary. He led the company to a record breaking $98.9 billion in one quarter. So this guy, he's. He's a heavyweight. But in 2022, he took over right after Covid. And he became, you know, this polarizing figure because they started denying payments for non critical ER visits, a policy that critics says penalize patients for seeking care that they need the Most. And then UnitedHealth faced a lawsuit for using faulty AI. Faulty AI?
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Patrick Bet-David
Weird.
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Vinnie
That's obviously, they set it up to deny elderly patients medically necessary coverage. The company was also being probed by the DoJ for alleged antitrust violations. He himself, Thompson was under investigation for. What is it, Tom? The Nancy Pelosi type stuff.
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E
Insider.
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Vinnie
Insider trading. Insider trading. And then you should see online. Online, there was people going crazy. And it wasn't talking crap about the killer. Okay. Thousands of people went on venting about the frustration over system. System accused of valuing profits over patients. Some people wrote, was his trip to the ER really emergent? According to his own company, My husband's heart attack wasn't an actual emergency. And we were out $3,000. And another guy wrote sending a prior author authorization, deny claims collections and prayers to his family. A lot of people were trying to say, oh, this was a hit. This was assassination. The guy wrote deny, delay and defend, which was basically saying that these insurance are screwing people over. I have a feeling that this guy chank, either his daughter or his son or a mother or something was going on with this guy's family and this company is behind it because. Oh, I have a chart. Rob, do you have that chart, bro? I think I sent it to you the other day. Out of all the people that deny claims, out of all the companies, guess where United Health is in that list.
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Cenk Uygur
Number one.
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Vinnie
Look at this shank. Are you ready?
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Cenk Uygur
32.
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Vinnie
Rob, I think I slacked it to you. It might have been in the unusuals one. No, they're number one. They're number one.
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Tom
You gotta have the percent because they're the largest. So you need the percent denied to truly rate it.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, it's about 32%. It's monstrous. A third of the people.
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Vinnie
Look at that. Look at the claim denial rates by insurance company. Look at that. They're 32%, Pat. 32. Kaiser's at 7%. They're denying the Crap out of everybody.
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E
What is the industry average? What is that number?
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Patrick Bet-David
Sixteen? Twice the industry.
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E
So they're double.
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Vinnie
They're double. And then, and then think about Adam. I don't hate to be this guy. It is what it is. When you're screwing people over like that at the corporate level and they don't realize tank they think they're untouchable. Sad to say you're not untouchable because you are affecting people's lives. I don't know the full story, but to write to right. Carve that into shell casings. That's a freaking personal vendetta. And that's personal. That has something personal to do it out in the open. I think they're going to. They'll probably catch this guy in a week or two. But I mean, the numbers don't lie.
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E
That's actually still on the run.
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Cenk Uygur
Can I just say, this is the exact segment we did on the Young Turks yesterday. So this is what I'm talking about. If we just talk to each other, it's amazing how much weaker we totally agree. Shooting this guy is terrible, immoral, totally unacceptable. Violence is always unacceptable. It's always surrender in the battlefield of ideas, etc. Now, at the same time, not. But. But at the same time, at the same time you have this chart and it's true.
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Vinnie
Yes.
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Cenk Uygur
And so it goes to the, to the point that we've been talking about, about people like the people in power are bottling everything up and they think that they could maintain that this is. This is unprecedented. It doesn't happen in other countries. In other countries, you're in all other developed nations, you're actually guaranteed health care. And then you could put private health care on top. We don't do that. So 76,000 people, according to studies, die every year because they don't have health insurance. That number is zero in other countries. So as much as I mourn this guy, I do. I don't want anybody to think otherwise. Right. I also mourn those 76,000Americans that die every year because they get denied coverage. Because think about health insurance. It makes no sense in my mind to privatize this. So like you wanted to again, you want to do private on top, great, no problem. You want to do private security on top of the cops, great, no problem. But when you have it like this, you know, Pat, you and I run businesses. What do you want to do? You want to maximize profit. Profit. You want to minimize costs, Right. So what's the revenue that you're getting in money from People, you charge, charge, charge, charge, charge for everything. Charge for everything, Right. And what do you pay out? Health care. So you deny as much health care as possible so you can make a great greater profit. So These guys made $20 billion in profit the other day. I don't mind people making profits from jeans, burgers, etc, God bless. Right? You're adding on top of the things that are guaranteed. I don't mind that at all. But when you're denying 32%, almost a third of the people through 18 different tricks, endless tricks, and then all these folks die because they don't have health insurance, they're gonna get mad. And I'm not saying this to encourage vigilante violence. I'm saying this as a warning. Like the vigilante violence is going to break out whether we agree or disagree, whether we condemn it or not. And I'll give you other examples that like on crime, crime, I'm like, guys, if you don't do something about crime in la, people are going to start taking it into their own hands. And they did. And then you started seeing vigilante justice against criminals again and then unfortunately, against homeless people, etc, because when you bottle things up, people go, enough of this. And you get vigilante justice, by the way.
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Patrick Bet-David
And. And that's what Joker 1 was really all about. Which is why I walked that 42 minutes into the movie. I said, this is not a good movie. This is a dividing movie. But there's a part of it that is true and it happens. In regards to. You said a lot of different things in regards to private health care versus, you know, public, the government offers it, all that stuff. It's. And I just don't think anything public does better than private. I just don't think they do. That's my only argument to that. And I, I do say regularly, what's the business model of hospitals? The more beds field, the more money they make. They need more sick people. Right, okay. What's the business model of military, you know, companies that sell weapons, they need more wars. What's the business model we under. We're on the same page there.
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E
Hotels, they need beds filled.
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Patrick Bet-David
That's the shooter's picture right there. That's the shooter, who the person is. By the way, there's a story going out this may or may not be true. In February of this year, UnitedHealth had a cyber breach. In February, if I'm not mistaken. I think a day before or a day of. You guys can go do your own due diligence. This article Is spreading all over the place as well. I don't know if it's factual or not. The, the Pelosi's, you know, they're famous for making investments into certain things.
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Vinnie
Psychics.
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Patrick Bet-David
On the same day, Pelosi made her second purchase of call options of Palo Alto network cybersecurity company that was later chosen to investigate the breach. So United Healthcare CEO was killed by mass gunman and it shows the investment. You know how they always track the Nancy Pelosi tracker?
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Vinnie
Yeah.
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Patrick Bet-David
And there's an account on Twitter that's going on again. Go do the research of this on your own. If you can go on the timeline, Rob, job of what happened, the one on New York Post, it does a great job explaining the timeline of events that took place. If you go a little bit lower. Lower, lower, lower. Go a little lower. Little lower. Right there. So at 6:44am the victim is walking alone towards the New York Hilton midtown. After visiting his hotel across the street. The shooter, who was lying in wait alongside the building, fires at him. Okay. Then the shooter then runs to an alleyway between 54th and 55th Street. Once the West 55th Street. The shooter continues to walk on the 6th Avenue where he gets onto electrical city bike. Then shooter rides north on 6th Avenue towards Central Park. At 6:48am the shooter rides the bike into center drive. Okay. And since then there's been nothing.
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Vinnie
Nothing. And mind you, the eyewitnesses were there where there was a bunch of them on the news. They were like this guy waited for him outside for hours, overnight waiting and waiting like he, he wanted to hit that guy. Like it was meant for him. Premeditated for sure.
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E
For sure. How do they not find this guy in New York City with, I mean, well, with traffic, it's the most cameras, I mean, operated city in the world, potentially. I mean, how they not find this?
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Vinnie
I mean now, I mean, I mean they got the photos of him because apparently he went to Starboard Bucks because I mean, you can't pass up, you know, peppermint mocha. It's the holidays and he's on an E bike, so he's going green. But think about it. He can't be in a car.
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E
You got to have a credit card.
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Vinnie
No 100. Exactly. But there's no getaway. You can't take an Uber in Manhattan. You got to get on a bike. I mean, he planned it and then on the bike. But then like you said, Adam, that face, his face is out there. Now it's going to in two days, three days. You're going to find out who this guy is and who, and what happened with him and the insurance side of it. But then going back to you, Cheng, if you think about it, this guy, if he was insider trading and he's lying to the people and he's denying 37% of the claims and people are dying because of it, would you think that he belongs in jail? If he's guilty for insider training and ruining people's lives and 75,000 people.
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Cenk Uygur
So two different things. If he's doing insider trading, that's illegal and crime should go to prison, right? On the denying. No, as much as I loathe it, I loathe it, we have to change the system. System. Putting him in jail doesn't make any sense, right? So, and, and by the way, killing him doesn't make any sense, doesn't change the system, right? So you've got to change the fundamental structure here because otherwise they're going to make a profit off of our deaths for the rest of the time. I'm like, literally no other developed nation allows this, so this is, this is madness. And so let's, let's change the way things are done rather than just hitting one guy or putting somebody in jail. But there's, there's a million things that, that, that, look here, I'll give you an example. I don't know if you guys will like it, but Rick Scott, now senator from Florida, okay? Former governor, former governor, committed the largest Medicare fraud in American history. His company did. He was the CEO of it. The company says, yes, we're guilty, okay? And they pay a fine. My, my guess is it was a percentage of the profits that they made from that scam. Right? Now, guys, you should be super pissed about that. They robbed us, that Medicare is us, our taxpayer money, right? And they said, okay, the company is guilty. But the guy who made all the decisions, the CEO, not guilty. But wait, what the is this? I mean, you can't send a company to jail, right? But in that case, it was actually illegal. They stole over a billion dollars and nobody goes to jail.
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Patrick Bet-David
No.
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Cenk Uygur
The next time a company is guilty, some human being is guilty. Don't tell me. And Democrats and Republicans do this. Corporations are guilty. Ahaha. They'll pay 20% of their profits, profits that they did from that scam, but nobody goes to jail. No f that you go, you break the law and the company's guilty. Whoever did it, you're going to jail.
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Vinnie
And that, and that's going to. I agree 100%. And that's the point I was trying to make going back right back to Fauci. That type of attitude, that type of policies and, and people are dying and you're lying. I want, and it's not just a blanket. I want people to go to prison. No check. Certain people have to pay the price.
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Tom
And he's, you know, we could go hours on health care and debate on this, but there's. It's very interesting to me that there's actually a war going on, health care, that they're against each other. The insurance companies are on one side and the pharma's on the other. Did you know that there is. There is actually restrictive statutes that prevent the federal government from negotiating the prices of Medicare drugs. And actually under Biden, it was bipartisan that they finally.
- [119:56]
Patrick Bet-David
You're nodding.
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Tom
You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, they finally got it through. And I think the first list of drugs was a hysterical total of 10. I think it was 10.
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Cenk Uygur
They started with one, but they said, don't worry, through the next two, three years, we'll get all the way up to 10. Wow. Can I can actually.
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Tom
They can actually negotiate prices on 10. Well, guess who's forced to pay the prices on those? The insurance companies. The insurance companies are no sweethearts. Right.
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Cenk Uygur
You.
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Tom
You go look at this. But there's an example that even inside this terribly broken health care system system where we. Our life expectancy has gone down, we spend more than any country in the world on health care. And we don't have the statistical outcome that you would think, oh, you guys must be the healthiest and living longest. No, we're not it. And so. And it's just ironic that there's this war going on between pharma and insurance company inside that entire broken health care system which has more lobbyists than. Than the Department of Defense.
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Cenk Uygur
So I love what Thomas saying. Let me just build off that couple of quick points. So, first of all, on Medicare, negotiating drug prices. We're not allowed to negotiate drug prices. That's not a thing that any other country does. That's insanity. That is corporatism run amok. That's corruption run amok. Because what part of the free market says, no, I'm. You're not allowed to negotiate prices. You must accept a price that a company tells you. That's insane. I've never heard of that in my life. That's a free market killer. It's totally against capitalism. Right, right.
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Patrick Bet-David
And.
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Cenk Uygur
And, and Bush is the one who put it in place. Then Obama ran ads it was called Billy. It was one of his most successful ads, saying, can you believe this? They. They won't even let us negotiate drug prices. We just have to pay whatever ransom the drug companies want. Right? And then Obama got in, said, we're not negotiating drug prices. Okay, let's be honest. Trump said he was going to do it. He got in. He didn't negotiate drug prices. Biden got in, not negotiating drug prices. Why? Why? Because Big Pharma is the number one donor group in the whole country. Like, I complain about APAC all the time and how much money they put in and control the politicians, et cetera. APAC's got nothing on Big Pharma. Big Pharma is gig freaking gantic. And to your point, Tom, about how much of our life expectancy they take from us, this combined industry that has become totally captured the government and then use it against the American people, we those come those countries that all other developed nations that have universal health care, they live on average, they cost twice as much for us. We pay twice as much. That's insanity. And we live, on average, four years shorter than them. So they're taking four years of all of our lives, on average. Okay, we got to change that system.
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Patrick Bet-David
All right, let's go to the last story, and we'll wrap up. This is a story where I think it was two weeks ago when I said the next thing that's going to be happening with mainstream media and the enemy and the establishment is finding ways to pin Trump against Musk. Called it pinning themselves against each other, because I think the enemy, the state. As of November 5th, it was Trump. As of November 6th, it is Musk. And they have to find a way to go after Musk in every possible way. And here's another one that you're seeing here. Vivek Ramaswamy wants trash. Elon Musk as a puppet for China. Rob, is there a clip here or is it a story?
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Cenk Uygur
Yep.
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Patrick Bet-David
If you want to play this clip, go for it. But I'm gonna break a cardinal rule.
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Cenk Uygur
An unspoken rule in the Republican Party.
- [123:15]
Patrick Bet-David
These days and in the conservative movement.
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Cenk Uygur
By saying that, you know, if somebody's.
- [123:19]
Patrick Bet-David
An actual hero and they're doing a certain thing, you criticize them when they do something wrong.
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Cenk Uygur
That's Elon Musk, apparently, according to the.
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Patrick Bet-David
Chinese government, as of yesterday's reports, kowtowing.
- [123:30]
Cenk Uygur
To the Chinese Communist Party, presumably as.
- [123:33]
Patrick Bet-David
A basis for gaining favorable market treatment. The there their foreign minister, China's foreign minister yesterday reported publicly on a meeting.
- [123:42]
Cenk Uygur
That Elon had with Chinese officials in.
- [123:46]
Patrick Bet-David
Which he said that he doesn't support.
- [123:48]
Cenk Uygur
A decoupling from China, but instead called.
- [123:51]
Patrick Bet-David
The US and Communist China conjoined twins, using his words, according to the Chinese officials.
- [123:58]
Cenk Uygur
Now, maybe Elon doubted that characterization of the meeting, but.
- [124:01]
Patrick Bet-David
But turns out that Tesla's vice president.
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Cenk Uygur
In China posted the CCP's statement on Weibo, a Chinese social network in China. Though they perhaps quite cleverly didn't post that here in the United States. I don't think it would have gone as well over here.
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Patrick Bet-David
Now we know that there's news reporting.
- [124:20]
Cenk Uygur
On what happened in that meeting.
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Patrick Bet-David
It's part of a continued and I.
- [124:24]
Cenk Uygur
Think concerning pattern of a number of American CEOs. But even let's just stick to Elon. In the case of Tesla last October.
- [124:34]
Patrick Bet-David
Inexplicably out of nowhere, no one's asking.
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Cenk Uygur
The CEO of an electric carmaker to.
- [124:38]
Patrick Bet-David
Offer his opinion on this necessarily. Or are they saying that Taiwan should reunify with China said that last October.
- [124:46]
Cenk Uygur
Literally days later actually gets a nice little attaboy pat on the back from.
- [124:51]
Patrick Bet-David
The CCP when they give special tax.
- [124:54]
Cenk Uygur
Benefits in Shanghai, only to follow up.
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Patrick Bet-David
Next year of building a new factory for Tesla in Shanghai as well. Now, the conservatives in the U.S. what do they see? There's a. Conservatives love hero worship. In the United States, they're worshiping their latest hero.
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Cenk Uygur
I respect, by the way, a lot of what Elon Musk has done.
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Patrick Bet-David
I've been one of his biggest champions and proponents for what he's doing for the cause of free speech via trying to transform Twitter.
- [125:18]
Cenk Uygur
But I think we can't fall into.
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Patrick Bet-David
Messiah complexes and have to see with clear eyes that it's the job of the US to protect in the US government to protect Americans from a national security and geopolitical perspective. And that means making sure that we.
- [125:32]
Cenk Uygur
Don'T allow our own companies to be turned, by the way, subsidized companies at that.
- [125:37]
Patrick Bet-David
Think about the number of subsidies that American subsidies that flow to a company like Tesla or another electric car company to be turned into pawns for the ccp. How do they turn them into pawns? Because their private shareholders and their owners get to benefit from entering the Chinese market. So you can. Positive. But the rest. So I mean, obviously you're seeing, Tom, when you see this here, how do you process it?
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Tom
Well, you know, it's really interesting. There's a couple of angles that you see. The first is, okay, what does a person really believe at the time they say? And does their opinion change over time with More information. You know, you, it's like we just watched a year of, you know, candidates go on stage and rip each other to shreds and try to find everything they can on oppo research on people that are supposedly wearing the same jersey. And then two of them decide, okay, you're going to be my vp, so all is forgiven. Let's go together as unified and go. And so two things can be true at the same time, that Vivek really believed that based on what he saw, that wow, is Twitter actually getting benefits from China and sitting in meetings and they want those benefits to build a factory in Shanghai and things like that. So they're going along with certain things. That could be very true. It also could be very true that he respects Elon Musk and once he starts working closely with him, that he gets answers on things, perhaps, or, or when he works closely with them, he just decides to hand wave over what he said previously. I, I'd love to inspect Vivek and have him sit down and explain it. Tell us about your journey from where you went, what appeared to be a very clear eyed criticism with facts of a person you're now working with and take us from then to now and let Vivek explain it.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah. And you know what I get from what he's saying here? Vivek? All Vivek is saying is America first before China and profits. That's how he processed this. It's very simple for me. I see him saying that. But at the same time, you're going to see more of these things coming from the past. And the same way where all the old clips of J.D. vance were resurfacing about what J.D. said about Trump and all that stuff that's going to resurface, it's going to be very weird and interesting to see how they try to pin these guys together and how they, how they stay united. Cenk your thoughts on this.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah. So look, on the one hand, mainstream media digs up stuff for either character assassinations or get people to fight, etc. On the other hand, I get it. It's a, you know, they're going to work together and it turns out he'd said these bad things about him. It's newsworthy. Right? So my take on it is a little bit different. So first of all, one thing I'll give Trump credit on is he's pretty good at letting bygones be bygones. Right. You know, his vice president called him Hitler and he, and he, and he let it go and he picked him as Vice President. Right. So he let it go with Bobby Kennedy, and so now he's probably going to make these. And I'm sure that these guys are already pasted, et cetera. And, and yeah, and by the way, maybe we shouldn't cancel people forever. Maybe sometimes you thought this and now you think that, and sometimes it's genuine, sometimes it's bullshit. I get it. Right. But sometimes, guys, it is genuine. Right. And, and even so, look, well, let me make the, the, the counterpoint. Right? So I get it. He probably. Oh, the other thing I wanted to say is that maybe they agree in part. Like, it's like, do Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have to agree on every single thing? No. Right. Like, for example, with Elon and me. So this is the second thing. So apparently we may or may not agree on the Pentagon, whether it's cutting it or making sure the generals don't have a conflict of interest. Great, wonderful. Let's take the agreement. But that doesn't mean I'm letting my guard down. Look, keeping it real, guys. He was Trump's largest donor, right? And now it looks like we didn't quite see how much he'd given before. Now it looks like he sold about a quarter of a billion dollars. That is a lot of money. He has $15 billion in contracts with the government between Tesla and SpaceX. He's got business dealings with China. And the thing about Trump is that man, he's, I think he's accidentally honest, but he'll say it. He'd be like, I was against electric vehicles. Then Elon came in with a strong endorsement, and now I'm for electric vehicles. Right. Tick tock. That's another thing related to China. So Trump tried to ban it when he was in office. Then, Jeff. Yes, 15, owner of TikTok, comes in, gives him a couple of million dollars. He's like, now I like TikTok. I'm not. I don't want to ban it anymore. So, guys, be careful. Be careful that there's donors on all sides, okay? So keep an eye out. Hey, is it an American interest or that particular person's interest? Whether it's Biden or Trump, whether it's Elon or Fauci, whose interest is it in? Right? So, and it doesn't mean you don't trust the person at all. It just means, hey, put the cards on the table. Let's see what we got. So I kind of agree with Vivek. I would massively disagree with Vivek on Many other things. But I kind of agree with that old tape of him about China and Elon on. So it's not to say that anybody's evil. Right. It just says the brother does business with China. So let's keep an eye out. Right. And by the way, I'm glad. And it doesn't mean that I hate their positions. I'm glad that Trump switched on electric vehicles and I'm glad he switched on Tick Tock. He was banning Tick Tock's nuts. It's nuts. We should not ban Tick Tock. That is where a lot of people get their information. The reason they wanted to ban Tick Tock is because they didn't like what people were saying on Tick Tock. Not because of the China stuff. Stuff they say, oh, that's too left wing. It's too outsiders, it's too populous. It's too many actual human beings and it's not a controlled message. That's why Jen Psaki said the other day and I went nuts over it. She's like, oh, there's social media. There's too much disinformation. We should consider laws against it.
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Vinnie
I remember.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, yeah.
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E
Breaking news for you. According to Wall Street Journal appeals court upholds the US ban of Tick Tock. That just came across the ticker right now panel rules Congress has the power to shut down the Chinese backed app in the US because of national security.
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Cenk Uygur
My ass. It's national security. It's their security. It's the security that establishes.
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E
You're gonna have to take up your case with the Supreme Court then, Cenk.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah, so that's.
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E
But look, I think this is.
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Cenk Uygur
But that's the Supreme Court saying they're allowed to do it. That doesn't mean Congress should.
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Vinnie
Yeah, exactly.
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E
We're going to see what happens with that. But I actually think this is a non issue of, you know, what's the whole thing from Reagan that we. I say it all the time. Someone that you agree with 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20 enemy. These guys are aligned on so much stuff. The fact that he's questioning him with what he's doing in China. By the way, Tesla, I think China is their second largest market. 25% of their sales come from China. Okay, cool. But Tom made a great point in election season, in primary season, Trump in 2016, little Marco, you know.
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Patrick Bet-David
All right.
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E
You're the new Secretary of State. Congratulations. Mike Huckabee. Nobody knows you are ambassador to Israel. Rick Perry. The list goes on and on. Ben Carson So all these people are basically part of his administration in 2016. We're going to see what happens then. But this is such a non issue. And back to Pat's point, yeah, they're, we're going to see more of this. But you know who this falls on? It falls on Trump, it falls on Vivek, it falls on Elon being big boys and understanding. Look, it's going to be. They're going to try to divide and conquer and we just need to stay in line. We got 2 trillion bucks to cut ASAP. So we'll see if they do it.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, I mean, listen, knowing them, when McCarthy was here and we were sitting down talking afterwards at the 1200, I'll never forget what he said. We talked about a bunch of different names. He said, those guys that you think are going to run for President 2028, they will not. He says they will not. I mean, we talked about what the names were. I said, why not? He says, because they're not battle tested. I said, what do you mean battle test tested? He says, look, Trump's battle tested, okay? These guys are battle tested. Musk is battle tested.
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Cenk Uygur
Yeah.
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Patrick Bet-David
Musk has been in the public eye of being made fun of and whatever for God knows how long now, two decades. And he has increased his ability of learning how to troll in ways where he's probably the top three best trollers in the world.
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Vinnie
So good.
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Patrick Bet-David
Trump being number one. He's in the top three of best trollers in America. At least he's One of our 50.
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Vinnie
Cent is top five.
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Patrick Bet-David
Probably top 50. Okay, but, but, but Trump is one. Musk is top three.
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Vinnie
50, 50 trolls, hardcore.
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Patrick Bet-David
Listen, Jake, Paul is there. I mean, there's a lot of different people and when you think about some of these guys. But anyways, gang reminder before we wrap up, and I'm just preparing for everybody here on what's going on. Everybody is on the mindset of future looks bright. And we've been saying this for a few years. We want 1 million people to wear the gear. Future looks bright. If you notice one thing. And I was sitting down with a few different people, the most common question being asked for me this week was Pat, how come you don't take sponsors anymore? I said, because we want to represent what we believe in. I don't want to get here and tell you go use this, you know, tool to shave yourself and all this other stuff when we take a half a million dollars or go buy this bitcoin or crypto or tool that's not us but you know what we do believe in our stuff that we do, if I represent any other sponsorship is because we love their product and we use it right now. Now, Future looks Bright new hats just came out. These will go. And I guarantee you when you see this thing here and it's in front of you and you see the 3D, you're gonna see how many compliments you get of these Future Looks Bright gear that came out, the black and red, the green and white. The PBD podcast one here that says Future looks Bright valuetainment on the side. Vinnie has the. Which one is that, Vinny?
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Vinnie
That's the flat brim, flat base from.
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Patrick Bet-David
The white with the PBD podcast. The green is insane with the green and the white and the bottom. Future looks bright. Right? Go place your order. The first 100 people that place an order on these new hats will get a Future Looks Bright mug that is here. The first hundred. This will be sent to you. Place your order, go to VT merch.com and we'll see you guys there. Jank, it's great to have you here. This was a great conversation. Looking forward to doing many, many more of these for years to come.
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Cenk Uygur
Thank you, brother. I appreciate it. So look, let's start that revolution. Let's unite on the things that we agree on. And, and by the way, prove the left wrong. Wrong.
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Patrick Bet-David
Right.
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Cenk Uygur
The guys who are doubting me, right. Say no, they're not real right wing populists. No, they're never going to cut the Pentagon. No, they're never going to do any of these positive things. Prove them wrong. Let's do some things for the real American people. And, and if you want to get a sense of what the actual left wing populists think on any issues on the things we agree and disagree on. Young Turks live every day, Monday through Friday, 6pm is when we start. 6pm Eastern. 6 to 8pm Eastern. Come check us out out and hear for yourself.
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Patrick Bet-David
Right.
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Cenk Uygur
Like for example, I disagree with you on Social Security. Okay, no problem. Okay, let's hash it out. Right. And Pat's not been on the show. We'd like to have the other guys on the show. We do open conversations and a real debate and a real conversation. Young turks host battle all the time. We disagree and we battle. Right? So check it out. 6 to 8pm Eastern. Young Turks on YouTube. We're everywhere. But YouTube's an easy place to watch, so you can just check it out.
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Patrick Bet-David
I love it. Rob, let's put a link below as well for them guys God bless. Have a great weekend. We'll do it again next week. Take care.
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Cenk Uygur
Thank you.
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Patrick Bet-David
Bye.