Epstein Victims PRESSURE Congress, Trump's Trans BAN, RFK Jr. Hearing & Florida's Mandate Move | PBD Podcast | Ep. 642

Summary

PBD Podcast Episode 642 Summary

Title: Epstein Victims PRESSURE Congress, Trump's Trans BAN, RFK Jr. Hearing & Florida's Mandate Move | PBD Podcast | Ep. 642
Date: September 5, 2025
Host: Patrick Bet-David ("PBD")
Panelists: Tom, Vinnie Tortorich, Adam
Location: Valuetainment's Fort Lauderdale Studio

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Overview

This energetic and fast-paced episode focuses on several high-stakes current events at the intersection of politics, justice, social issues, and government policy. The Home Team analyzes the congressional pressure for justice regarding Jeffrey Epstein's victims, President Trump's controversial proposal to ban gun ownership by transgender individuals, a contentious hearing featuring Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Florida's new move to end vaccine mandates in schools, dramatic developments in New York politics, US-Venezuela tensions, and more.

Consistent with the show’s format, the hosts engage in vigorous debate, challenge mainstream narratives, and bring receipts on claims, while interspersing sharp humor and raw commentary.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Epstein Victims Pressuring Congress

Segment Start: [10:38]

• Congressional Press Conference:
  Survivors, represented by Gloria Allred (representing 27 victims), are putting unprecedented pressure on Congress to publicly name those implicated in the Epstein scandal. Thomas Massie (R) and Ro Khanna (D) are both advocating for reading out the names in Congress, bypassing legal threats of lawsuits against victims.

  • Notable Quote - Thomas Massie:

    “There are real survivors. There are real victims to this criminal enterprise. And the perpetrators are being protected because they’re rich and powerful and political donors to the establishment here in Washington, D.C.” ([11:13])

• Naming of Powerful Individuals:
  Massie publicly identifies John Paulson, a major hedge fund manager and GOP donor, as being in Epstein's black book ([12:49]).

• Panel Reaction:
  Vinnie remains pessimistic about justice being served due to bipartisan implications and institutional cover-ups:

  • “I don’t think we’re ever going to get to the actual answer. And I don’t think anybody will go to jail. Anybody.” ([16:48])
  • PBD argues that recurring public attention sustains hope for accountability:
    • “When hope is gone, what do people do? They give up. When people give up, what happens? More victims.” ([19:01])

• Obstacles Cited:

  • DOJ "Rule 6e" used for secrecy in grand juries, creating a nearly impenetrable shield around the release of names ([29:57]).
  • Victims fear legal retaliation and even personal safety if they come forward, although some are organizing their own public list ([34:32]).

• Contrasting Political Approaches:

  • Marjorie Taylor Greene expresses cross-party outrage at stonewalling and the urgency for justice ([19:52]).
  • President Trump publicly dismisses the movement as a "Democrat hoax," frustrating the panel who warn this only amplifies the issue ([21:00] | [26:01]).

Memorable Moments:

• F16 fighter jet flyover interrupts the victim’s press conference, interpreted by the panel as both conspiratorial and surreal ([23:25]).
• Panel repeatedly emphasizes that both Democrats and Republicans have exposure, explaining mainstream reluctance to pursue the story aggressively ([35:10]).

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2. New York City Political Shakeup: Mamdani, Cuomo, Adams & Trump

Segment Start: [36:44]

• Eric Adams Possibly Exiting Mayoral Race:
  Rumors swirl about NYC Mayor Adams being offered a federal job—possibly at HUD—allegedly as a maneuver to clear the Democratic field for former Governor Andrew Cuomo to challenge left-wing candidate Zoran Mamdani ([37:32], [38:42]).

• Democratic Process & “Rigged System” Accusations:
  Adam and Vinnie debate the ethics of removing candidates to manipulate a city’s political trajectory, with Adam defending voters’ rights—even to make “bad choices”—while Vinnie warns of broader social consequences ([43:38], [44:29]).

• The Trump Factor:
  Discussion of Trump’s influence in New York and his history of shifting political tides ([46:01]).

  • “There’s one guy that can do this for New York, and he’s got a heart for New York...that’s probably what’s going to end up happening.” (PBD, [45:28])

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3. Tech Monopoly & Google Antitrust Decision

Segment Start: [47:32]

• Antitrust Ruling:
  Judge Amit Mehta finds Google guilty of monopolizing search but only imposes modest penalties, lets them keep $20B annual default search payments to Apple.

  • Tom:

    “It’s like a pretzel of relationships here where suddenly the titans...are all vulnerable from this type of investigations.” ([51:02])

• Panel Connects Tech & Political Influence:
  Extensive cross-incentives between Big Tech titans (Google, Apple, Microsoft); skepticism that any real breakup or reform will occur. Notable side note:

  • Elon Musk was invited (but didn’t attend) a major White House tech summit, contrasting with Biden’s previous snub ([54:02]).

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4. Kawhi Leonard, NBA Salary Cap, and Shell Company Scandal

Segment Start: [56:31]

• Alleged Salary Cap Evasion:
  The Clippers, led by Steve Ballmer, allegedly funneled $7M/year to Kawhi Leonard via a fake tree-planting endorsement (Aspiration), circumventing NBA salary caps. The “shell company” founder later indicted for $248M fraud ([57:35]).

• Ballmer’s Denials:

  • “We did things by the book, and I don’t know what those deals should look like. Allegedly... I never had any conversations with somebody. I didn’t know it was coming.” ([61:13])

• Panel points to historical parallels in pro sports (“alternative payments”) and expects either a quiet cover-up or major consequences if a direct team connection emerges.

• PBD points out the poor return—Kawhi played only half his potential games, and no championships have resulted ([65:34]).

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5. Florida Ends Vaccine Mandates in Schools

Segment Start: [67:57]

• Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo & Governor Ron DeSantis:
  Announce plans to end all vaccine mandates for schoolchildren. Received with thunderous, sustained applause ([68:58], [69:15]).

• Panel Reaction:

  • Tom praises this as a genuine “my body, my choice” moment, flipping the script on Democrats ([71:26]).
  • Vinnie and others celebrate Florida as a haven for parental choice.

• RFK Jr. Congressional Hearing:

  • Senator Roger Marshall highlights the massive vaccine schedule:
    • “By the time they’re 18 months, they have 18 jabs. By the time they get to be able to vote, they have 76 jabs.” ([75:27])
  • Contentious exchange with Elizabeth Warren on vaccine mandates and Big Pharma influence ([78:01]).

• Big Pharma Political Funding:

  • Panel displays data: $388M in pharma lobbying in a single year ([80:42]), with Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Tim Kaine, and others as top recipients ([81:26]).

  • Adam:

    “If you listen to the people on X, it would lead you to believe that AIPAC runs our government. But the reality is Big Pharma…I don’t know if they run our government, but they certainly own our bodies.” ([83:57])

  • Panel agrees mandates, not vaccines, are the real moral and legal battleground. PBD supports personal choice.

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6. Trump’s Proposed Gun Ban for Transgender Individuals

Segment Start: [107:44]

• Policy Details:
  DOJ reportedly drafting “preliminary” plans to declare gender dysphoria a mental illness that disqualifies trans Americans from owning guns. Would build on other Trump-era directives restricting transgender rights ([107:44]).

• Panel Reacts:

  • Vinnie cites patterns in recent mass shootings and SSRIs:
    • “You have a mental illness, you’re sick in the head, okay? … And if you got serious stress over your identity, okay? And it’s diagnosed as a disorder. That’s not my opinion. It’s a medical fact.” ([107:44])
  • Adam and Tom debate the legal and procedural parallels with background checks, insurance, and privacy laws.
  • All agree: If policy stands for transgender individuals, should also apply to anyone with significant mental illness or on SSRIs.
    • PBD:

      “For me, anybody taking SSRIs, anybody taking them, shouldn’t have a gun… If you got suicidal tendencies, you don’t care if you’re willing to kill yourself. Do you think you’re not willing to kill other people?” ([115:48])

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7. US–Venezuela Tensions Escalating

Segment Start: [121:26]

• US Destroys Venezuela Drug Boat:
  Panel watches video and notes Trump’s public praise for the military strike ([121:43]).

• Venezuelan F-16 "Show of Force” over US Ship:

  • Ridiculed by Tom:

    “This wasn’t a show of force, it was a show of stupidity. Those guys were almost certainly on direct radar lock as they flew over and they knew it… we could have splashed both of those things before you even had a chance to finish your morning coffee.” ([124:28])

• Larger Context:

  • Adam questions the effectiveness and motive of the War on Drugs, drawing comparisons to US domestic opioid crises and previous regime change failures ([127:11]).

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8. Dearborn Heights Police Patch Controversy

Segment Start: [129:03]

• New police patch features Arabic writing, reflecting 39% Middle Eastern/North African population.
  • Vinnie:

    “The second you put foreign language on a local law enforcement uniform, you cross the line… We’re the United States of America.” ([130:24])

  • Adam is more nuanced, linking the debate to wider issues of American identity and assimilation, and shares recent experiences in Detroit ([131:06]).

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9. Tim Kaine’s Declaration of Independence Controversy

Segment Start: [133:57]

• Kaine (Democratic VP candidate 2016) calls the phrase “God-given rights” troubling, equates it to theocratic language of Iran:
  • Quote:

    “The statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our government is extremely troubling.” ([134:27])

• Panel Sees as Revealing:
  • Tom and Vinnie argue this exposes the Democratic Party’s drift away from foundational American values.
  • Adam, as a Jewish panelist, calls the US a de facto Christian country and asks Christians to “get a backbone.” ([138:13])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Tom, on Justice for Epstein Victims:

  “Some things die, some things stay, and some things keep getting bigger. And when you have stories like this, this one keeps getting bigger.” ([24:01])

• PBD, on the politics of hope:

  “Hope is a very powerful thing. The moment you no longer hope, you no longer think justice will be held. Hope is gone.” ([18:59])

• PBD, on Florida ending vaccine mandates:

  “He was the guy during COVID while everybody else was being aggressive... he’s going to keep it open, and it was kept open. They took a lot of heat and ended up being right.” ([67:57])

• On the War on Drugs:

  • Adam:

    “The government wasted billions of dollars fighting the drug war in Latin America… Meanwhile, Big Pharma here in America made billions, if not trillions, and we got… opioid epidemic.” ([127:11])

• RFK Jr. hearing:

  “He came in there and all the people getting money from big pharma and all the donors yelling… it was literally RFK against big pharma.” ([77:47])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Epstein Victims Press Conference: [10:38]–[35:10]
• New York Political Shakeup (Adams, Cuomo, Mamdani): [36:44]–[47:02]
• Google Antitrust Decision & Tech Power: [47:32]–[56:31]
• Kawhi Leonard & NBA Shell Company: [56:31]–[67:57]
• Florida Ends Vaccine Mandates; RFK Jr. Hearing: [67:57]–[83:57]
• Trans Gun Ban Debate: [107:44]–[120:41]
• US–Venezuela Tensions: [121:26]–[129:03]
• Arabic Police Patch in Dearborn Heights: [129:03]–[133:57]
• Tim Kaine’s Declaration of Independence Statement: [133:57]–[138:13]
• Shoutouts & Wrap-Up: [140:00]+

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Tone and Style

• Candid, irreverent, and bracingly direct.
• Unafraid to challenge left, right, or mainstream talking points.
• Evidence-based: hosts routinely “bring receipts” (data/quotes).
• Mixes humor, pop culture references, and narrative storytelling with policy debate.

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Conclusion

Episode 642 is a quintessential PBD Podcast—fearless, fast-moving, and wide-ranging. The Home Team shines when connecting disparate stories—politics, culture, and business—into a broader analysis of American decline, institutional corruption, and the ongoing battle over liberty and truth. Deeply skeptical of official narratives, they urge ongoing vigilance, transparency, and accountability—backed by relentless hope for justice.

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For listeners or readers who missed the episode, this summary covers all the central stories, arguments, and notable debates, with a close reflection of the speakers’ tone, style, and intent.

Transcript

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[Tom]

Did you ever think you were made again.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Adam?

[Tom]

What's your point?

[Patrick Bet-David]

The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one.

[Tom]

My son's right.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think I've never said this before. All right, we are officially live and hopefully you're on time, folks. We've been waiting for you this entire time in the room. Where are you? Where are you? Where you been, huh? Okay, so first of all, listen, breaking news. I had no idea tree planters made 7 million a year not doing anything. Did you know that's maybe the highest paying job for the least amount of work you do?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Tree planter.

[Patrick Bet-David]

There's this guy named Kawhi Leonard who gets paid $7 million a year, allegedly to plant trees that he never plants. So listen, if anybody ever offers a job like that, you may want to consider it. We're going to talk about that story. Putin invites Zelensky to have a meeting in Russia. Why don't we have this meeting in Russia? And Zelensky is like, is this a or no? Who knows what's going to be happening there? I got a couple people I got to give a shout out to. One of them is the greatest pastor in the world, and the other one is somebody I lost to in Domino. Two games in Norman Tikron were flabbergasting. It's just not a comfortable thing for me to do. But I told him, I said, I'm gonna give you a shout out on the podcast because of how embarrassing this is, but we will do it. We. This can be this tough one happen on, on Monday on Labor Day. I really don't want to talk about. Okay, whatever, whatever. I'm give a little bit of intel into it. Okay? America's population set to shrink for the first time ever, folks, if you have to choose between watching this podcast and making babies, I'm okay with you going and making babies because we need some babies to be made. And Tom, please turn off your 58 alarms. Federal Judge rules against Trump's administration funding cuts to Harvard Unemployed workers outnumber available job cuts for the first time since 2021. Trump to host tech CEOs these are a bunch of rich guys. For the first event, a newly renovated Rose Garden delusional CNN host denies polls showing Americans approve of Trump's crime crackdown. Dear Abby could be the person's name who knows. President Trump praises military strike on Venezuelan drug boat he's looking to ban. You ready for this one? This, this should be an easy one. Trump looking to ban transgender people from having a gun and declaring them mentally ill. Good. It's going to upset a lot of people, but it's a good move. I think it's a good move. Trump asked Supreme Court to greenlight tariffs. Florida surgeon general announced his first state, by the way, to consider this. Plans to end vaccine mandates in schools. The first state to pull this off, by the way. Rob, were you surprised how long they clapped for him?

[Tom]

Yeah, it was about 40, 45.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Are you kidding me? Like the people wouldn't stop clapping for the guy. So that's Florida folks. But stay in California, it's awesome. Stay in New York. He got an incredible mayor around the corner. But there looks like something we talked about on Wednesday maybe becoming a reality. Progressive darling AOC is teaming up with Republicans on a rare issue they have in common. Taking on their colleagues who may be cashing in on insider information. Ilhan Omar's net worth is reportedly soars after calling millionaire claims ridiculous. Eric Adams White House in talks over Trump's administration job as pressure mounts for New York City mayoral candidate to sink Zoran Mamdani. MSNBC panelists brawl over hypocrite socialist Mamdani's rent stabilized apartment. Anyways, there's a lot of stuff going on there that if these two or three stepped out, he would be. And we talked about again on Wednesday, but it's been officially validated. Pashinyan, I have to talk about this. Prime minister of Armenia. After Benjamin Netanyahu recognizes the Armenian genocide, he joins Erdogan from Turkey in objecting to Armenian genocide recognition. Can you imagine if I told you 20 years ago Armenia is going to have a prime minister after Israel recognizes the Armenian genocide. And that prime minister is going to team up and side with Erdogan, the guy who's leading Turkey. If I told you to average Armenian that was going to happen, they would say, you're out of your mind. Pat, relax. Conservative media at war with Newsmax accuses Fox News of shocking tactics to edge out rival Paramount. You guys remember the Barry Wise story we talked about? Not Barry White. Barry Weiss wanted $200 million. Well, guess what? She's about to get it. Paramount to buy Barry Weiss's Free Press for up to $200 million. And given her senior editorial role at CBS Report. Congratulations to her. If this is true. Very happy for her. Daily Wire host calls for the execution of Chicago's mayor.

[Tom]

No, he didn't.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Oh, my God. Who wrote the story, by the way? Mediate. Okay, all right. Well, let's see what they have to say with headlines. That's right. Salesforce cuts 4000 jobs due to AI. CEO says Google ruling show anti. Adam, just grab a seat, buddy. You're okay. Google's ruling shows anti Trust tools struggle to keep up with tech markets. And then we're going to talk about the tree planting guy. And then few other things happen. I thought Messi played lights out last night against Venezuela. To all our Venezuelans that we love, he whooped on you guys. And by the way, Messi gave two or three passes that honestly, you have to be a magician to get it that perfect. And he made it look so easy. So last night, Dylan's at the house, he comes back from practice, freaking four hour practice. And I'm telling, Messi had a great game. Messi had a great game. Messi by the third time, I said, Messi had a great pass. He says, dad, I got it. Messi had a great game. I don't want to hear it. That he had a great game. So funny. I said, but he kind of plays the way you play. He says, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. Just because Messi didn't talk to him.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

At that one game, we hey, oh, well, from that day, he's just anti him. So funny.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So funny. And then we got a few other things with the RFK hearing. If you guys didn't see it, we'll show you a couple clips. It's Pretty nasty how some of the people went after him. Dearborn Heights. You guys ready for this? This upsets me. In the US is the first city to have Arabic police patch. Did you in America. In an American city to make sure other people know that it's the Dearborn Heights police department. It's written in Arabic. Fantastic. And to see something like that happen in Venezuela. We'll talk about the Venezuelan stuff. Kane. Tim Kaine is his name, right? Former VP candidate of the Great no lips.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

He has no lips.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Sparks backlash after calling Declaration of Independence God given rights extremely troubling. And maybe we'll get into a couple.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Other but can I make one observation? We didn't plan this.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, we didn't plan this.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

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[Patrick Bet-David]

I have a gold one on the back. The logo is also elevated. I didn't know that that the logo is elevated. They can't see it, but that logo is elevated. That is so sick.

[Adam]

Vinnie, take your shirt off real quick. Let me see what's going on.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It's tattooed on my chest.

[Tom]

Embossed with the silver.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This is the elevated one is. And that's not the elevated one. Rob, if you can go back. I think it's the. It's that one right there. The bottom one. Click on that. Is that what you clicked on?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's the elevated one.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah. It's ridiculous. Print.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Absolutely sick.

[Tom]

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[Patrick Bet-David]

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[Vinnie Tortorich]

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[Tom]

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[Patrick Bet-David]

Go to VT merch.com get your future looks bright. By the way. Rob, can you go to the new polo. Can you go to the polo shirts that we got? Guys, I saw a polo shirt that just came in. Eric Caballero was wearing it. First of all, I could not believe how ridiculous these polos were. Can you just go to search and type and okay, go a little bit lower. See maybe if it's there. Go a little bit lower, lower, lower, lower. Oh, you're about to get to keep going lower. That one right there to the right. Oh my God. By the way. Zoom in. Go back a little bit, Rob. To zoom in. The Buttons are valuetainment logo buttons.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I got it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And the material is read. I should have shown you the picture of Eric Caballero wearing this. Jack put the link to that as well. The material of these polos are awesome. For some of you guys that are going to work. It's hot. You want to wear something nice. These are high, high end quality polo shirts that just came in as well. Rob, if you want to put it on VT merch again, this is to all the people that we see the other day. One of my guys goes to. He's wearing a PBD podcast shirt and he goes out to a game. He says, pat, if I tell you 50 people stop to buy to come and talk to me. We watch it as well. We watch it as well. We watch it as well. To all the crazies out there that support what we're doing. We love you, we appreciate you and we cannot wait to run into you somewhere here soon. Who knows where that's going to be. Too many of you will see you guys in Orlando Monday. We'll all be there Monday. Vault conference craziness. That's right. It's going to come real quick. All right, so let's get right into. Just remind me to give those two shout outs to the greatest pastor and to the domino. Rob, can you remind me to do that before the end of it? I want to get into those stories as well.

[Adam]

Come on.

[Patrick Bet-David]

All right. Okay, so let's get into it. What's the first story we want to go to, Rob, what is the audience saying? What do they want to get into?

[Tom]

50% want to hear about the Epstein press conference yesterday.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So we don't even have anybody that wants to say anything about that, Rob. So where is that story? Not a single person picked the story of Epstein. All right, so let's go through one of them. Let me see this.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I have six other stories.

[Adam]

Epstein is number one.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Which one do we want to go with? You know what, why don't you. Do you have the Rokana and Thomas Massie one? Rob, is that Thomas Massie saying something?

[Tom]

This is Thomas Massie yesterday at the hearing or I'm sorry, at the press conference where he talks about the claims that this is going to be another hoax.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And the go to play this, go to play this clip.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I think it's shameful that this has been called a hoax. Hopefully today we can clear that up. This is not a hoax. This is real. There are real survivors. There are real victims to this criminal enterprise. And the perpetrators are being protected because they're rich and powerful and political donors to the establishment here in Washington, D.C.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, so aside from that, I saw Gloria Allred calling out. I saw a bunch of different things. Is this Ro Khanna and what is he saying here?

[Tom]

This is Thomas Massie. He names one of people implicated in the Epstein.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, because what he says with Rokana, he says these kids, these girls, if they go out and say the names, they will be sued for the rest of their lives. He says, but I can do it. We are going to read out the names. So apparently him and Rona want to go out there and read off the names that they have because they're not worried about them being sued. But the people that know the names are being told by their lawyers to not leak the names because of specific reasons. Who knows? Gloria Allred, who is somebody who is Rep. By the way, Gloria Allred, I believe is representing 27 of the rape victims. Rob, can you validate if I what I is a 26 or 27 Gloria Red, who is the goat in the space of what do you want to call this, the defending female harassment stuff. She's been the one, one of the, a very good documentary about her will tell you why she is. Yeah. 27 survivors she's representing. So she's representing 27 of the Epstein victims and they're worried about going out and giving the names. But here's what Thomas Massey had to say. Go ahead, Rob.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

The name of one of the billionaires who's running $2 million of ads in.

[Tom]

My district since I started this effort.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

His name is John Paulson. He's a hedge fund manager and a major donor to the Republican Party. A major donor to the speaker of the House, a major donor to the.

[Tom]

President'S campaign, and he's in Epstein's black book. Now that's public, but that's indicative of.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

The types of people who may be implicated or.

[Tom]

Or just embarrassed by a release of a completely release of these files.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay. So, Vinnie, question to you.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Do you still believe nothing's going to happen to the names? Do you still believe Thomas Massie's time is being wasted? Do you still believe Ro Khanna is wasting his time saying all the stuff that they're saying because nothing's going to happen, or do you believe there's going to be a little bit of justice for some people out there?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

What I wish, Pat, and what I know, like not what I believe is going to happen are completely on the opposite. You know what I wish for? I want every single person not just on the list, Pat. I want who was their victim. Corroborated story footage that all of a sudden nobody knows where it is. No Cash Patel? No, no. Remember the 10,000 hours of footage, okay. What I'm. What I'm starting to feel like is because a lot of people are like, trump's on it. Trump's on it. Trump's on it. Let's put that to the side. We're finding out that people like John Paulson, who was one of the biggest donors to the president. Okay. Is on that list. Okay? And by the way, I do not like how everybody has turned on Thomas Massie. He's the only one to me, him and like Marjorie Taylor Greene that are actually still keeping this fire freaking lit and keeping it going. Okay? A lot of people are saying, you know, what's her name? Gloria Albright. This whole thing lost credibility because she's involved, because she's all, you know, all about the glitz and the glamour. But think about it. John Paulson's one of them, Pat, if we have to think about it, besides Bill Clinton, besides, you know, the intelligence agency, which. Paula Luna just came out and said that. And Rob, I might have sent it to you. Paula Luna said that the intelligence stuff that the leaked documents have the CIA, have Israel and have Russia and I believe China, everybody was.

[Adam]

Now there's more involved.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

She. And I think, yeah, that's it, Pat. If you look right there, she says, in my opinion, there's definitely an intelligence connection, countries named. And the lead attorney for the witnesses included Saudi Arabia, Russia, Israel, as well as former CIA director inferred to the CIA director under the Bush administration.

[Adam]

More than just America or Mossad.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You're saying Russia and Saudi are involved, all these. So what?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I wouldn't be surprised the victim.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Would I be surprised?

[Adam]

All I heard it was all.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

So my thing is this. But who. If Trump isn't in there and Trump is innocent, then there has. What's the other explanation? What's the other reason? Protecting people that have given you millions and millions to win. Bill Gates, who I know we'll get into later, Bill Gates yesterday, this guy, of all the stuff that he's done, he's sitting next to the president, like everything is right there. Mind you, this is the guy that his wife Melinda left him. And the main reason she said her words were was because of his relationship. After Epstein was already a convicted pedophile. She said, when I first met him, he was evil personified. You know what I mean? That's a huge step. She said, she goes, he was abhorrent.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And she goes, I, so what are you saying? You're saying that the President is protecting a guy like Bill Gates?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I believe, like people like John Paulson and stuff. This is my, this is just, I guess some people would say that the reason that this hasn't come out because, I mean, how many mess ups, how many lies from Pam Bondi to Cash Patel to Dan Bongino looking like this, he killed himself like somebody had a gun to his head to now Trump saying it's a Democrat hoax. Something is off. Something is off. And I don't think we're ever going to get to the actual answer. And I don't think anybody will go to jail. Anybody. And that's a sad, sad thing for me to say.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I don't know if. Okay, so Martha Stewart, she went to jail for five months for insider training and for something that everybody today does and she went away for. Right? Okay, do I, do I think no one's going to be held accountable. So watch this, Vinnie. Here's one way of thinking about it. If you don't believe no one's going to be held accountable, not 100%, it's never going to be 100%. Just so you know that it's never going to be 100%. The reason why it's never going to be 100% is why you don't have enough documents to prove, by the way, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But guess what? The court needs proof. Proof.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So I'm talking to one of the guys at school and the dean at school and he says to me, says Pat, if I get a claim and if I don't have documentation, if I don't have anything, if I don't have videos, if I don't have anything, I move on. I can't do anything with it. I need something and a couple other witnesses to say something like that happened. If they have it, they can do it. But watch this. If you don't believe anything can happen and nothing will be held accountable, why are we talking about it? Why are we talking about it? Why talk about on the podcast? Why bring it up? What's the outcome of us talking about it?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I want them to know that we know. I want them, I don't.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They know. But, but they know we need to say it one time and it's, it's plenty. But actually think about to the core, why do we talk about a certain story, how many times Rob, would you say in all the podcasts in 20, 25, how many podcasts say we've done two, four, eight, eight times? Seven months, let's just say, is what, 56 out of the 56 podcasts we've done this year? Home team. Rob, how many times you think Epstein's been mentioned in one of those 56 podcasts?

[Tom]

Maybe a quarter.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Maybe a quarter.

[Tom]

25.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I agree. So let's just say 14.

[Adam]

Go on.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let's just say 14. Why are we talking about it? Actually ask the question.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Why are we talking, actually answer the question. Yeah, because we have, I mean, I mean, we're, we're at the point where we are right now because we know it's absolutely insane because they get away with murder, literally that we want something to change, something to happen. I want justice for the.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Where does that come from? What emotion produces that? It's one word. And it starts with the letter H. It's one word. No. Hope.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I, I, I hope that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They'Re going to forget, but guess what we need with hope. Hope is a very powerful thing. The moment you no longer hope, you no longer think justice will be held. Hope is gone. When hope is gone, what do people do? They give up. When people give up, what happens? More victims. So I believe even bringing it up. And now you're seeing Marjorie Taylor Greene, you're seeing Ro Khanna, you're seeing Massie. By the way, Marjorie Taylor Greene isn't part of the same camp as Massey. I think Massey's here. Marjorie Taylor Greene is here. Marjorie Taylor Greene was the one when Kevin McCarthy was up on there negotiating all this stuff says, hey, pick up the phone, Trump. Like that's you. People forget who she is. She's like a America First Trump at the highest level. Now she's here. Rob, go on and play this clip.

[Tom]

The largest press conference that I've seen since I've been here. And this is because this is matters so much to Americans.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This is not going away.

[Tom]

That doesn't have political boundaries. It's an issue that Republicans and Democrats should never fight about. As a matter of fact, it's such an important issue that it should bring us all together.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It's grieved me to watch the arguments.

[Tom]

And debates take place among my colleagues and even the administration. I think this is something that is worth fighting for. You see, the women behind me are.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Going to tell you stories, stories that.

[Tom]

You'Ve never heard before. These are unimaginable horrors that they've lived with for their entire lives since they were very, very young. But these are also similar stories that many children, teenagers, women, and even men are enduring nightmares right now as we speak.

[Patrick Bet-David]

We can pause it. So. So she goes on. And then, Rob, there's another clip as well. What is the other clip? That President Trump calling it a hoax. Go for it.

[Tom]

So this is a Democrat hoax that never ends. You know, it reminds me a little.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Of the Kennedy situation. We gave them everything over and over again, more and more and more, and.

[Tom]

Nobody is ever satisfied, from what I understand.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I could check, but from what I.

[Tom]

Understand, thousands of pages of documents have been given. But it's really a Democrat hoax because.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They'Re trying to get people to talk.

[Tom]

About something that's totally irrelevant to the success that we've had as a nation.

[Patrick Bet-David]

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[Patrick Bet-David]

Why are you saying a hoax?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah, it's not a hoax.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Why don't you just say, let's see what happens? I've empowered my guys to find out.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

So let me ask you a question then, Pat. Why would he say. Say that? Why would the President of the United States say, which we all know is not true, that this is a hoax? There are women that are standing there that I guarantee would pass a lie detector test that they were assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein. And here's my thing, Pat. They're saying, we have the names. We're going to put out our own list. Why don't they go in a session, Bring them in there. Bring the people in there. It'd be easy to corroborate with evidence of the footage that. That the FBI or somebody has. Which was it missing? They have the footage of Jeffrey, of his house with all the footage. What are we even talking about, Rob?

[Patrick Bet-David]

What is this? The flyover?

[Tom]

Okay, so this clip right here. Hang on one second. F16 flew over the Epstein press conference while the victims.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let's hear it.

[Tom]

Justice. Telling me that this was going to happen when it had already happened.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This was running.

[Tom]

Abused children.

[Adam]

Who's flying over? What is that?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Us. Our. Our F16.

[Adam]

Intentionally or.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I have no idea, but the timing is pretty freaking crazy. Look how long they had to stop talking.

[Adam]

This is taking place in D.C. yes, on Capitol.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Tom, your thoughts. Tom, your thoughts here.

[Tom]

So some things die, some things stay, and some things keep getting bigger. And when you have stories like this, this one keeps getting bigger. Now you've got Gloria Allred with even more victims talking about New Mexico Ranch. Not just the island, not just Lane.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Missora ranch.

[Tom]

Yeah. 8,000 acres in 1996. So you've got three women that's saying, I will give you dates, I will show you flights, I will show you where it was.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And.

[Tom]

And we're compiling our own list. So to me, that's more stuff coming. Why do these people do it? They're not. They're not paid influencers hiding behind an account on X just trying to howl at the moon on some issue. You know how that works? They lobbyists and pay people to do that? No, these are people coming to a microphone, putting their face in the public eye. And it's getting worse. And now mtg. She comes down there, and now she comes out. And then there's little things going on at what's she doing. And people are upset with her. She's taking political risk, coming to that microphone. And now you have mtg. It's getting worse. And so I look at it as. That people are realizing the depth of what happened here. And I think that there's a deal. It's like, why does Ghislaine go from one prison down to the. A lesser prison, A lesser. A lesser restrictive and a lesser harsh prison by a lot of people descriptions. Yeah, that's in Texas. How did she move? There was this part of the negotiation.

[Adam]

I'll talk to you.

[Tom]

I'll give you an interview, but you got to move me.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Tom]

To a little bit more comfortable prison. They didn't send her To a condo. They sent her to another prison. So, Pat, it keeps getting worse. And that's what bothers me. What bothers me is more keeps coming out. It's not more people covering it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He just has to do one thing. Stop calling it a hoax.

[Tom]

Agree.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Stop, you know, trolling this topic because you're turning your own team against you keep saying, I've empowered Bondi, I've empowered Cash, I've empowered Anna Paulina, I've empowered them. And whatever they come out with, we will release. Stop calling it a hoax. You can't keep calling it a hoax. It is. It is, it is. You have so many great things that's going on right now in America. So many great things. Streets of the biggest criminal, you know, crimes, homicides taken, you're clean. Cleaning it up. Border is clean. Tariffs. 30 billion in August, guys. $30 billion of revenue in August.

[Tom]

Cash to the U.S. cash to the.

[Patrick Bet-David]

U.S. this is a record breaking month in the history of America with tariffs. They thought inflation was going to be crazy. Didn't happen. You got, you got stuff that's going on right now where rates are about to go down three more times between now and the end of the year, give or take two or three more time between now and the end of the year. This is stuff that we've never seen. Borders clean. You're doing deals with people, you've cornered people that are wanting to do stuff with you. They're coming to you, they're knocking on the door. Don't say hoax. It's not helping your camp out. Leave it alone and let them do the job. He has a way of saying things which is very powerful. I hope he's watching this, even if it's by himself. When you say things like, I don't know, honestly, I don't know what's going on with that. I mean, the reality. I've hired great people and let's see what they find out. And justice will prevail. And let's leave it up to them. And if it happened, great. If it didn't happen, great. But guess what? What I don't like is a lot of people use the Me Too movement to ruin a lot of men's lives. And that concerns me. And that's something that makes me very uncomfortable because we saw when it happened. At first, everything was about me. To me, to me, to everybody. One by one by one, they started to 30 million, 20 million, 18 million, 16 million was like, let me get everybody. And doesn't mean everybody was part of the Me too. Movement. Right. So I have a little. I'm a little bit sympathetic to that because I saw what happened to ruin a lot of men's lives. But if there are people that did do it and there is proof to it, let justice prevail. That's all you have to say. You don't need to say hoax. There's no benefit of saying that. There's literally no benefit of calling it that. All these massive documentaries that are being done where kids are saying a girl goes and brought 14 year old girls to Epstein that he hooked up with and he got. She got paid 200 for bringing a 14 year old girl from her high school. Yep. You think that's an act? And then she got in trouble because she brought 24 girls to Epstein. Why would she get in trouble for bringing 24 girls? Why would the cop say, you're also committing a crime. What is the crime? She brought underage girls to Epstein. The cop says you're also a criminal. What do I do wrong? How about him? Well, no, you're bringing under it. So if she's getting in trouble for it, so that means he's doing it. So if he's doing it, the victims are there. This is not a. This is overly documented. So I don't know. I think every time it goes like this, notice the pattern. And I don't want to go a lot with Epstein from your and Adam. I just want to move on to the next stories. If you have anything unique you want to say, tell me if it's anything that's the same old. This is not on my top 20 list. This is not this. We can just move on. I'll come to a different story with you, but this is what I want you to be thinking about. If it goes like this, notice the Epstein story.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It peaks.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Then what does it do?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Dips.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Dips. And then you say hoax. Boom. And it comes back up.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yep.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So guess what? It's because you keep. You're the momentum, Change the script, give a different message and let your guys do the part. Whatever you truly want to say, say it privately. Stop calling it a hoax publicly. There's other things that we can go with. I just. I just don't know if I like that approach that he's taken. Is there anything unique you want to say? Go ahead.

[Adam]

So you may not want to call it a hoax, you might not want to call it a cover up, but you can certainly call it a secret because are you familiar with the secret rule in grand jury testimonies? A rule called 6e. Have you heard about any of this? So you guys cover Epstein more than me but I heard something that might be the reason that nobody can say a damn word. So find out what Rule 6e is. It's basically secrecy. It's a secrecy rule for the U.S. federal grand juries and it's basically a shield while where you can't say anything at all. It's like a gag order or a sealed document no matter what the rule is. So why does this always come back to the courts? Always come back to the courts. Always come back to the courts. You think Thomas Massie knows anything about this? You think Marjorie Taylor Le Greene knows anything about this? If Pam Bondi and Cash Patel and Dan Bongino aren't say anything these two guys don't know anything. But I would encourage you to look into this thing called the secret rule called Rule 60 shout out to Jeffrey Meade to talking about this. It's basically saying there's a gag order and you can't say a thing. So I'm removing complete emotion from this. Everyone gets so worked up about Epstein. But according to sealed documents they cannot.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Unhealthy the same court.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What's the point? What do you mean rule 6e secrecy requirement. What's so that's why you keep saying it's a hoax and you think that's the right move for me to keep saying it's a hoax instead of saying I've empowered people to do the job and let's see what comes out. I've empowered them to do the job. Now you're saying the biggest press conference now a girl that was on your side flips and is loud. You think Marjorie Taylor Greene Green is quiet girl trains five, six times a day. She can do more push ups than and pull ups and 99% of men out there. You think she's gonna stop. You think that's gonna stop Nancy Mace? Those are two different things. This could be correct. Yeah but all I'm saying my frustration with this isn't with this. Let let the guys do their part and find out what's the bottom of. Let's get to the bottom of this.

[Adam]

I think everybody wants to get to the bottom of this. But this is a reason why they can never get to the bottom because the courts are intervening and saying no, no, you're not going to find out.

[Tom]

From New Mexico weren't in front of grand juries. They're coming to a microphone saying what happened to them in 1997.

[Adam]

I didn't make this law. Guys no, no, Adam, I'm saying what the law is.

[Tom]

It was meant to protect. Protect. It was meant to protect witnesses from other witnesses that if I leaked. We're in a mob grand jury and all of us are testifying against it. And I mentioned who was in there with me, and I mentioned also what went on in there. All of us could be retaliated against by the mob that wants to kill witnesses. So there are things in grand jury I don't think there's anything to do with Epstein. These victims from 1996 from New Mexico are talking about what happened to themselves. Definitely talking about in hearings, in open hearings that Nancy Mace leaves in tears because it relates to her. So there may be grand jury elements here, but there's a lot of people. It's getting up and.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah, blessings.

[Adam]

I know. Don't argue with me.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No, we're not.

[Adam]

No argue with ChatGPT and Rule 6.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Ready for this?

[Adam]

Because that's what it says and I'm ready for this.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I'm a girl that was assaulted by Epstein and some of these higher ups. I haven't gone to court. I haven't done nothing. But I'm going to the stand and I have a story to tell. There's nothing to do with grand jury. She hasn't been to court yet.

[Adam]

We.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

What happens to that girl? Like, ready for this? I was raped. I was underage. And X, Y and Z at Epstein island altar. And guess what? They're all in government or they're all big Silicon Valley guys. She has nothing to do with this rule. That's the thing. How is she going to come forward? Because the one girl that came forward. What happened to her prince Andrew, the girl, they paid her off. Right. What was it, Pat?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Virginia Goofy. What happened to that poor girl? They gave her money. The prince. A prince of England.

[Tom]

She got hit by a.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Got hooked up with an underage girl and, you know, his penalty was a little bit of money and a slap on the wrist from the queen from his mother, and that was it. Pedophilia put under the rug. That's it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's what happened. Very simple.

[Adam]

Nobody's afraid in the backyard.

[Tom]

Andrew.

[Adam]

Trying to get to the bottom line.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Of why they're not. What did the girls. What did the girls. Did you have one of what the girls were saying or no?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yes.

[Tom]

That Here. Here's the victim talking about putting together their own list together.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Go for it.

[Adam]

Transparency is justice.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Release the files and the secrecy and stand with us in declaring that no.

[Tom]

One, no billionaires, no politicians, not world leaders is above the law.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's gonna keep getting bigger, guys.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Let me announce now, for one reason.

[Tom]

Several of us Epstein survivors have been discussing creating our own list of names.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Please hurry up.

[Tom]

Do it.

[Adam]

Why haven't they done it yet?

[Patrick Bet-David]

They don't want to get. They don't want.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

They don't want to get hit by a freaking bus.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So check this out. So let me put it to you this way. To me, every time he says hoax, these things are going to get bigger. Very simple. Every time they say hoax, this is going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. It ain't going to get smaller. FYI, if I was a Democrat right now, I would be running with this 24 7.

[Adam]

Well, they are.

[Patrick Bet-David]

If I was a Democrat.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No, they're not like that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

If I was a Democrat, I'm not talking mainstream because mainstream knows a lot of the guys on that list are also Democrats. So a lot of Democrats also don't want their best friends and stuff to be affected by it. So that's why they're not doing it. But if I'm anything on the other side, like you're seeing, Newsom's driving this, Newsom's on top of it. Right. If I'm any of those guys, I'd be driving this. But I think Trump is sitting there saying they're not going to because both sides are implicated. Both sides are. What do you call it? Is that the word?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So if they're both guilty, that's. But all I'm saying to you is keep saying hoax, keep saying hoax and see if this thing goes away. It's not going to go away. It's going to keep getting bigger. Let's get to the next story here. Next. What I want to get to is in regards to Mamdani and Eric Adams, it's a very interesting story. What happened here on Wednesday. We read a poll that showed that if Curtis Sliwa, if Eric Adams and if you have those two stepped out the race, Cuomo, Andrew, would be beating Mamdani. And I was the poll and I said, well, if that's going to be the case, someone's got to give Mayor Adams a job and someone's got to give Sliwa a job at the White House. President Trump needs to make that phone call. And guess what happened? That's the story that apparently now is circulating. Eric Adams and White House in talks. We literally said this two days ago in talks over Trump administration job. As pressure mounts for New York City mayoral candidates to sink Zoran Mamdani. Okay, let me, let me read this and then I'm going to come to this momdani, because now Mamdani is saying that why don't you come and debate me? Mamdani is re. He knows this game very well. You got to give him credit. He knows how to do a spin job and make it all about him. And that's, that's what he's supposed to be doing. Top White House officials are in talks with a potential job for Eric Adams, including a possible ambassadorship. Nothing related to Turkey. As Tom said earlier, as pressure mounts for mayoral candidates to drop out in candidate support for around former Governor Andrew Cuomo to challenge Democratic Zoran Mamdani, a source close to Trump administration said, I think Adams will be able to craft a position and a portfolio that's to his liking. While another source to the White House said, I've heard Adams team wants it. And although Mayor Adams has been the most pro housing mayor in New York City history.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And at no time did he ask for it, nor was he offered a job at hud. So hence that's kind of one of the things that's coming up. Rob, play this clip with Mamdani.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I think it's outrageous and I think oftentimes in a race such as this, it's tempting to think of this solely in the question of how does this impact the race. But this is an affront to our city's democracy. This is an affront to the values that make so many of us proud to be Americans, that we could choose our own leaders. Not that our leaders, leaders pick themselves or their friends. And we're seeing in this time when Donald Trump has taken snap from hungry New Yorkers, has passed legislation that would throw millions of New Yorkers off their health insurance, that we have Democrats in Andrew Cuomo and Eric Adams working with this administration to try and subvert the will of Democratic primary voters right here in New York City.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, so that's Mamdani. Eric Adams denies that there was anything there. He's saying what happened, Tom. He's saying there's. What's this one, Rob?

[Tom]

This is the, this is CNN reporting. I can't find a clip of Eric Adams actually denying the rumors, but CNN reports that he has denied the, that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He has denied the report. Okay, so we don't need to play the clip. I thought it was Adams. That's fine. So we know he's denied it. Tom, what do you think's going on here?

[Tom]

Well, first of all, also this just in independent candidate 3% of the polling. One poll had him at 4%. Jim Walden has dropped out. So now he's out and we're working on Eric Adams. I love to carefully look at words that people say. I have not been offered a job in the White House. And then I looked around and there was two little leaks and I. You don't know how credibility that he's actually being offered a job at hud. Well, if he's offered a job at.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Hud, it's not the White House.

[Tom]

It's not the White House. I'm not being offered a job in the White House. I'm being job on the hud. But guess what? Whether smoke, there's fire. I believe Eric Adams is in talks. And by the way, if you look at his background with police and union and understanding the plight of the inner city and the things that he responded to with domestic violence and everything that he did with the police, I actually think he would be good at HUD with that kind of experience with the kind of things that HUD tries to do to help downtown cities. So I actually think Eric Adams, it wouldn't be like one of these, remember in college, kids would get a job watering the grass for like $300 a week because he's on the football team. And then you find out that the sprinklers are on a timer.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Tom]

300 bucks a week. No, I don't think it's something like that at all. I think Eric Adams is negotiating. I think you were dead on, Pat. You were correct in what you said and now we're seeing it in print. I think he's going to be at hud. I think that's very possible. I think that would be, actually be a good job for him. And, and Walden is out, which means that right now that's probably another 10 full points. You go back to Cuomo. So I think Cuomo is probably at 40.0 right now with this. If, if, if he steps back now, Curtis Silwa, Sila is the Sila or Sliwa from Guardian Angels. That's going to be the tough one. I think that's going to be the Ross Perot guy in the middle here. That's what I think.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But let me ask you a question. Do you guys think with all this, with Eric Adams leaving, Walden leaving, do you think New Yorkers are going to rally around Cuomo? Is that push going to be hard enough? Are they going to forget all the stuff he did while he was governor, especially during COVID with all the nursing Home deaths that are is looming over him. And the controversy with the women and.

[Tom]

All that, they say that's his bloody albatross as the whole thing.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You think that's going to get in the way? I don't think it is.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You don't like.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let me tell you how politics work, Vinnie. It's such a crazy. You know, it's not to the average person, it won't make sense because you could have something right now that's like. You realize the governor of California hooked up with his best friend's wife. Campaign manager.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And he's the governor. And he's the governor of California. Yeah. You. You realize the governor of California got $24 billion to clean up homelessness and it increased by 36,000.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It's crazy. It's crazy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

To me, politics is very weird.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And these guys, they know you have to learn how to be Teflon. You're going to be in the tornado for the next two, three weeks. They're going to attack you nonstop. It's going to go away and they're going to come back. Americans move on. There's going to be new story cycle, and that's what happens.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

So do you think. Do you think. That being said, I agree. Do you think with Mamdani's rise right now because he's climbing.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Do you think them leaving and Cuomo coming in, it'll be a close race.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, it's going to be a close race.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's what we need.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think it's going to be very close race with the involvement of one person.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Djt.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's it. Y with that, Adam?

[Adam]

I don't know. I'm actually with mom Donnie on this. I think this stinks to high heaven. You know, Trump, what made a famous line. It's a rig system. It's a rig system. That's a rig system. This seems like a rigged system because in a democracy, you don't want to avert the will of the people. You know, democracy, they sometimes the politicians to protect the people from the decisions that the people make. Sometimes you got to let the people make some damn bad decisions. And that's what needs to happen in New York City. So, you know, people in 2011, they were doing the Occupy Wall, Wall street movement because they were pissed as hell as the big bank bailouts and they had every right to think that way. Chamath, the famous from the all in podcast, you know, when they bailed out the airlines, he said, let them fail. If you're making bad decisions and you're doing stock buybacks and you're not prepared for a black swan event or anything like that, then you should fail. New York City is a failing city and you're going to try to avert the will of the people who want this socialist, communist, Islamist. Let them have who they want. Let the boy watch, as they say. So a democracy is only as strong as the wisdom of the people. And if the wisdom of the people in New York City want. Mom, Donnie, give him Mom, Donnie, Stop trying to basically have Trump come in. Eric Adams, Cuomo, that seems like a rigged system. Now, I'm no Mamdani fan, but I'm a famine democracy.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Well, let me ask you a question, Adam. This America isn't just some company like Boeing or whatever like that you're talking about. And I know where you stand on this. Is it. Are you like, he's not interfering, he's helping. Do you think him getting involved isn't trying to help from a quote unquote or alleged communist, terrorist, sympathetic, whatever the hell the media is calling him? Are you willing to go, hey, let them learn? And then he comes in and then. And then a Dearborn. You have freaking Arabic writing on freaking like. And then it starts spreading. And then we get to a point where you're like, wait a minute, we shouldn't let that one guy get in in New York, because if it starts there, it's going to keep spreading.

[Adam]

Let me tell you, buddy, there's a lot of. There's a lot that you said that I agree with, and that's.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

These are you at.

[Adam]

These are going to be conversations, Vinnie, that we're going to be having every year for the next couple decades of do we want people who don't stand for typical American values running our government?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I don't. I don't.

[Adam]

And we're going to see them. You think, you think Mamdani's the last.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, no. Communist, let me tell you.

[Adam]

Get ready for more.

[Patrick Bet-David]

There's. There's a part of what Adam is saying is an actual good point, but that's shocking.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Rob laughed.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But the part you got to be thinking about, you probably misspoke. But the part you're probably thinking you have to think about this is politics. They're going to call for the favors. Very simple.

[Adam]

Oh, no doubt.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And they're going to do it on the left, they're going to do it on the right, they're going to do it everywhere. What do you think is going on? Right. California is going to be 48 to 4 on House of Representatives for the state. Out of 52 House of Representatives in the state of California, by November 4th, if this gerrymandering new structure goes down, 48 is going to be on the left. What kind of control you think they're going to have? You know, same with Texas. What they did there, they Crockett about to be fired by November 4th. So this is the political game. But there's a guy, every once in a while, somebody's endorsement carries weight. Okay. For a long time, it used to be Obama. Obama no longer carries weight. Oh, no, his voice no longer carries the weight he used to carry at all. And it's not even close. Trump's voice has just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. Everybody wants his endorsement. He gets involved left, right and center. Things get done, people move. And I think there's one guy that can do this for New York and he's got a heart for New York. Family, parents, dad, all of that stuff, you don't have to agree with it, but that's probably what's going to end up happening.

[Adam]

I, I listen, you know, I'm on the Trump team. I'm on the Trump train. I don't think Trump carries that much weight in New York City at this point. New York City, I get that they lean towards Trump this time. He didn't win New York, he didn't win the state. I don't think that, that he's helping the cause here. Because anyone who's Republican or independent is already voting against Mamdani. You need to convince people in the Democratic Party to stop voting against their own interests and not vote for Mamdani. None of those people are Trump guys. So from a macro perspective, from a federal perspective, New York presidential perspective, I.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Think New York, I think, I think.

[Adam]

New York City hates Trump.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. I think New York City, there are people that hate Trump, but a lot less than what it was 10 years ago. Yeah.

[Adam]

Because they're waking up.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Adam]

We're still seeing the reverberations of how woke New York City is. Now.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He's, he's optimistic on what he can do. And I think it's more than you think. But I also understand what your point you're making the fact that, you know, let him fail, let the too big to fail happen.

[Adam]

Here's my prediction. I'll give it to in 10 seconds or less, Mamdani gets elected. Shitty turns to crap. They find and, you know, five years, their next mayor, Rudy Giuliani, and they clean up that city because it needs.

[Patrick Bet-David]

To go to the I think it'll be too late because I think that's.

[Adam]

What they said in the 90s, though.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, I think it'll be too late because you know, people, when, when democratic socialists took over Detroit, what happened? It's too late. When that happens and the billionaires leave, they're not coming back. Once the billionaires leave, Ken Griffin's not going back to Chicago.

[Adam]

Rest in peace, New York City.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's, that's what I'm saying. If this happens, it's going to be, what a shame. It's going to be catastrophic and they'll feel it. Okay, let's go to the next story here. Next story I want to go to is Google ruling show antitrust tools struggle to keep up with tech markets. This is a Wall Street Journal story. Let me get to this one here with Google. Boom, there we go. A US District Judge Amit Metta ruling on Tuesday found Alphabet's Google guilty of illegally monopolizing the online search market. But impose modest penalties requiring Google to share some search data with competitors and barring exclusive contracts for its search engine, Chrome, Google Assistant and Gemini app. While rejecting the Justice Department's push for divestiture. Divestiture of Chrome for Android. The decision, following a five year legal battle starting in 2020, allows Google to maintain its roughly $20 billion annual payment to Apple for default search status on iPhones. With Meta noting cutting off payments from Google almost certainly will impose substantial, in some cases crippling downstream harms to the distribution partner related to markets and consumers, which counsels against a broad payment ban. Tom, your thoughts on this?

[Tom]

So what's very, very interesting to me is what you just said. Apple is getting $20 billion a year.

[Patrick Bet-David]

From Google membership fee.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And so, and by the way, it's a lot of people doing that.

[Tom]

Yep. And so they're, they're paying Apple to get preferential treatment on iPhone, iPhone markets, the, you know, the App Store. And so what we're seeing here is that there's kind of a pretzel. Right. Look at, look at Venezuela. What kind of airplanes flew over our ship? Our really old ones that were sold to Venezuela, but that was our old, old airplane still flying that could have ended up in the water if Venezuela wasn't careful. But it shows you the pretzel.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Right.

[Tom]

The pretzel that's in the Wall Street Journal headline was remarkably correct. It shows antitrust tools struggle to keep up with the tech markets. What they're trying to keep up with is like Apple's, like, well, if Google's A monopoly on this. Yeah, well, we're kind of a monopoly in other ways too. Maybe we don't yell too loud and we just keep the 20 billion coming from, from Google. I think it's simple as that because it is so hard now to break them up. For a year, for a year it's been talking about that Chrome would be spun out to somebody else. And we've covered on this podcast, remember Pat, we will cover deals like between companies, we said, and Chrome is also be part of it. And this other company over here was looking at that and it's like, o, there's the deal coming together. But guess what? At the end of the day, somehow the judge. Now why did the judge think that cutting off payments from Google will impose substantial. Some cases crippling downstream harms distribution partners. Who said that? The distribution partners. You can't let this happen. It'll cause crippling downstream harm to me. So he said, okay, I guess we'll say this is what we'll do. You can't do this. You can't do this. But you're, you're going to maintain your monopoly in search ads. And guess what that means? That means when Apple gets charged over, you know, a lot of people are upset about this 30% vig that they put across everybody and they say that's monopolistic. So when Apple's in court, guess who they're going to expect to be whispering on the other side? This ain't so bad.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Google.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah, Google.

[Adam]

So what's the bottom line, Tom?

[Tom]

The bottom line is it's like, it's like a pretzel of relationships here where suddenly the titans, and you've got Google, Microsoft and Apple are all three very, very large that are vulnerable from this type of investigations. Legislations by the Department of Commerce and Federal Trade Commission. And they're all, I think at the end of the day going to kind of help each other. Because this comment that came from the judge didn't come out of his own deliberations. That came out of the mouth of a distribution partner.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Hmm. By the way. So it's going to be, it's going to be interesting what this does to open it up for others. You know, and I know a few months ago, Tom, if I'm not mistaken, the whether it was ftc, somebody was trying to force them to sell Chrome. Who offered money for Chrome? About two, three months ago, somebody offered $60 billion to buy Chrome. Who was the company that offered $60 billion? It was like one of those AI companies. Was it Perplexity, who offered.

[Tom]

I think that's right.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay. Perplexity offered 34 and a half billion dollars to buy Chrome. And they did this with a public announcement ahead of the hearing. So they were wanting to his department, Justice Antitrust to know that, hey, I know you guys are going through Google. If you really want to break them apart with Monopoly, we got an offer here for you. And it's actually great move because they.

[Tom]

Did it on purpose.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Well, when we were dealing with this property and was trying to buy this property, I was, I was speaking to the DOJ and the FBI regularly on a weekly basis. And I told him, I said, if you, you guys want to wait till he gets charged to sell the property or when can you sell it? And I made an offer before this, the challenge, the scandal that was taking place. Apparently the owner had some business relationships with Biden's brother or something like that. He was going away for something here. It was actually a big scandal. And then eventually we made the offer, and then the DOJ realized that we're interested. And then later on they brought us in as one of the leading, what do you call it, bidders for the auction, and then we ended up picking up the property.

[Tom]

Oh, wait, this offer wasn't made to Google. It was, but it was really meant to be in the ear of the judge.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's right.

[Tom]

So that Google would say, Chrome is so expensive, who on earth would buy it? Well, hang on a second. These Perplexity guys are in the parking.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Lot with $34 billion cash money. 3.43. $34.5 billion cash.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You better believe.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Holy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Google knows who their enemy is now. Oh, yeah, they know who they're targeting. Adam, thoughts?

[Adam]

Well, in an unrelated note, they announced that Trump is going to be hosting all the big tech bros at the newly renovated Rose Garden at the White House. So everyone you're talking about is going to be in the same room in D.C. so the Google boys will be there. Mark Zuckerberg is going to be there. Tim Cook from Apple's going to be there. Bill Gates is going to be there.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yesterday. They're there yesterday.

[Adam]

The Palantir guys. Sam Altman, Jeff Bezos. I think his team is going to be there from Blue Origin, allegedly. You know who's conveniently left off this list? Oh, my God.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Elon.

[Adam]

Elon Musk is not invited to the big tech bro conference now. I think he has his, you know, consigliere, David Sacks. I think they're pretty tight, right? Those guys hang out. But this is Reminiscent of when Biden conveniently left Elon Musk off the big EV Summit, Green Summit and the White House in I think 2022. And that pretty much backfired on Biden's behalf.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But wait a minute.

[Adam]

Interesting to see here.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I just verified this. Elon Musk tweeted that he was invited. Really couldn't attend. Yeah. So big difference with Biden attend, but with difference with Biden. Biden didn't invite.

[Adam]

Correct.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, he said it. But here he tweeted and says I was invited, but I wasn't able to attend, that a representative would attend on his behalf. So the White House did confirm that his company had been invited and would be represented, but it wasn't clear if Musk was.

[Adam]

And I'm glad that you found that. Let's read into this a little bit.

[Tom]

But under Mark Zuckerberg, he can't say he was invited.

[Adam]

Exactly. If, if all the big boys are going to be there, you know, the Bezos of the world, the Zucks of the world, the Gates of the world, the Google boys. What does Elon have going on conveniently that day that he can't make this big meeting? Clearly there's still some bad blood.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Oh, no, no, for sure. But it's important to know that he was invited. It's a big difference. I don't think Trump is afraid of inviting or not inviting for the guy to be there at a tech meeting that he's having because he knows that now he would be just like Biden if he didn't invite him. I just want to make sure.

[Adam]

But out of all those names that I mentioned, who does Elon Musk have the most beef with?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who does he have most beef with.

[Adam]

Out of all the tech?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I have no idea. Who? Yes.

[Adam]

Doesn't he have major beef with Sam Altman?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yes. Beef with a lot. Elon has beef with a lot of people.

[Adam]

Yeah, but who is it the most?

[Patrick Bet-David]

He may have beef with every one of those guys in the room. And you know, Google guys, you know the story with the certainly gates he's got speaking.

[Adam]

What was the Google story? There was like a wife involved.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Speaking of Elon, just because valuetainment. I just saw that we posted a Tesla offers unprecedented 1 trillion dollar pay package to Musk. A trillion dollars they just offered him.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I told you, he'll be a trillionaire. 18 to 20.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I was right here and I was like, I agree, guys.

[Adam]

I don't know. Like I say all the time, a trillion dollars ain't what it used to Be guys.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Just, you know, it's supposed to, you.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Know, what are you supposed to pay.

[Adam]

Rent in New York City?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Well, let me.

[Adam]

Cost of living.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let me tell you what you may want to consider doing.

[Tom]

Buy Central America.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What you may want to consider doing is one of the highest paying jobs right now, allegedly, is planting trees. Real?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Patrick Bet-David]

There's this guy named Kawaii Leonard.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

French.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. He's actually got massive hands.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay. He's his. I think he picked up the French name when he played for a city called Toronto Raptors. And then he played for San Antonio. And then when he went to Clippers, there's a guy who was the former CEO of the Micro Microsoft. This guy is worth a couple hundred billion dollars on any given day. He's worth between 150 to 200 billion dollars. He decides to find a way to pay Kawhi Leonard, allegedly more money than the contract to be able to bring him in. So they started a company. This guy that found out about this, who reported on us is a. I think it's just a, you know, regular independent journalist Pablo Toro, who found out that the shell endorsement deal. They started a shell company that is a tree planting company.

[Adam]

That's a joke.

[Patrick Bet-David]

In the contract, it is required to pay KL1 and KL2. I'm sorry, KL2, who is KL Kawhi Leonard to inspire Aspire $7 million a year for four years. Okay. Is what the contract was. And this is how he paid them the money. Okay, $7 million. Now, Rob, if you can find it. Ballmer was interviewed to address this because this is. He was interviewed to address this. And his answer is actually he should run for office the way he gives the answer. So that's the fact. Of a way for them to get more money to avoid the salary cap. Create a fake money to allegedly funnel money. Fake company to allegedly funnel. That's the one right there, Rob. He's been asked about it. And Tom, watch what he said here. Go ahead. Let's talk to the fan. We signed that deal with Kauai before any of this. Before any of this, before Kauai even knows these people. We've signed our deal. That's high integrity. We made our deal with aspiration. Literally, I had no control over the company. Literally. Even when I invested, I think there was somebody put in six times as much money as I did. No control. And that's okay. The average fan should understand that. And they went off and made a deal. I don't know what the deal is. I know what the reports are with the speculation. I don't know what the deal is or was. And frankly, I can't even tell you whether it's this much different, that much different, or not different at all from some of the other endorsement contracts that athletes do. In terms of amount, I don't know. I actually don't know the amounts of most endorsement deals. But when you look at Forbes magazine and they talk about the highest paid athletes, many of those top athletes, as Kawhi was a top athlete is a top athlete. You know, you read those things and they say they make more off endorsements than they do their, you know, very large salaries. So I don't know what to expect. But I think the average fan may not either. But we did things by the book, and I don't know what those deals should look like. Allegedly he. Nor do I know what this one looked like specifically. Rob, can you stop? Allegedly he invested $50 million into it. Okay? And there was a. The co founder, a guy named Joe Sandberg of Aspiration who was. Has pleaded guilty of fraud charges for defrauding investors of over $248 million. Rob, can you pull this guy up? $248 million. Joe Sandberg without a D like Ryan Sandberg. Take the D out for Sandberg. There you go. Zoom in. Sandberg arrested March of 2025 on charge of defrauding investors for $145 million. On August 2025, Department of Justice announced that Sandberg has agreed plea guilty. Plead guilty to defrauding multiple investors, lenders author to 248. And. And. And Ballmer put 50 into this. So Ballmer may be right. Okay. What happened here? Who knows what was gonna go here? But Tom, what. What else do you know about the story?

[Tom]

Well, I know what I heard and what I heard there was Steve Ballmer saying I had no control over the company. We did it by the book. And when you hear those two things, it tends to make you wonder about, okay, what's the third leg of the stool here? Steve, did you have any idea that there is another deal out there? Just answer that question, okay? You did your deal by the book.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You.

[Tom]

You did it before this one happened. You had no control over this company. All right? You've got your deniability. You're clean. It's called keeping yourself clean. You're clean. But did you have any idea this was happening? It harkens Back to Eddie DeBartolo, who had the San Francisco 49ers and DeBartolo DeBartolo. The. You know, let me tell you, for.

[Adam]

The DeBarto family here. Come out.

[Tom]

Hey. Half of the salary cap rules supposedly were drafted as a result of NFL investigations into DeBartolo's alternative methods of payments. After they won a Super bowl, he brought everybody to Hawaii and gave them like, ridiculously expensive Rolex watches. Over a certain level, you're supposed to claim that. There is also that he supposedly arranged them to invest in companies that had like, like mini malls or something. I don't remember the specific facts, but the NFL dug into it and says, how are players getting paid by a company that makes malls that they barely invest anything in? They're getting these dividends or something. And it was, it was this wonderful chap who came out of New Orleans with a lot of allegations of ties to gambling, whatever, but he tried to find ways to keep his team together and to pay the players more. And half of the salary cap rules came out of that. And so my question is, why can't Steve Ballmer just say, I had no idea about this. I specifically, I've never had any conversations with somebody. I didn't know it was coming planned. I was no part of it. I didn't even talk to these people say that. When you also say, we did the contract by the book. Okay, you're clean. I have no control over the company I invested in. Okay, dude, you're clean. It's one thing to stay clean. It's another thing to absolutely come out and say, I, you know, there was, there was nothing here. And you had other NBA owners who know the economics of these, who are coming out and saying, how the hell did the Clippers get Kawhi Leonard under that deal? Yeah, it says that's not the going rate. You had other owners that were speaking out and whispering to the NBA saying, dude, all right, you want to live in la, but you got all these taxes in California. How did they do this? That's a fair question if you're another owner.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, yeah. Let me tell you, this reminds me of the old Jerry Tarkanian unlv, where he would fight Shark. Us, he would fight ncw, say, look, we go by the rules. We go by the rules. We go by the rules. And there were guys, Vinnie, they would say, all right, so because I tell, you know, the mob was in Vegas.

[Adam]

Of course it was.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I want you to work valet at from 6 o' clock to 8 o', clock, a car is going to show up. A black, you know, Cadillac is going to show when it does. You take the keys. They're going to give you a tip. Great. You take the car, go park it. You get a hundred thousand dollar tip.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Wow.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And it's like, look, we didn't do it. You got a tip. What do you follow?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Very generous.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You want me to do so, but.

[Adam]

And they let him keep the car. Just a nice guy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But this is going to a whole different level with. What do you call it to try to get going, by the way. You know what the reality of it is? Oh my God. Did it backfire? Okay, how many. Rob, Rob, can you pull up? How many years. How many years has Kawhi. Has Kawhi Leonard been. Been with the Clippers?

[Adam]

I mean, Pat, as a local NBA resident, I could tell you that he signed there in 2020. After he won the championship in 2019. You as a casual basketball fan should.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Know that you're off how many total regular season games?

[Adam]

No, no, no. You said what?

[Patrick Bet-David]

You're 2019.

[Tom]

He used to get a lot of hours.

[Adam]

Guy's got one leg at this point.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Stop.

[Adam]

He hasn't played.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Get your NBA facts together, man. You claim you know NBA. You know nothing about. I don't know if you've ever even watched amateur. Okay, watch this. Watch this. Tom, you ready? So during the seven years. Okay, he's been there since 2019. Six seasons full that he's been there. You ready? So let's do the math.

[Tom]

He was MVP 2122, wasn't he?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Each season is how many. Each season is eight.

[Adam]

Come on, Pat, you should know.

[Patrick Bet-David]

492 out of 492 regular season games. Vinnie, he's played only 266.

[Adam]

So he's played half the. Half the time.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He's half the time.

[Adam]

So he's better than Zion's Williamson.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He. He's played 266 out of 492. So guess what the market did. These guys were supposed to win multiple championships. Nothing happened.

[Tom]

Stacked, baby.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Nothing happened. Nothing happened with these guys. Go ahead, give us your expertise.

[Adam]

Shams.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Right now in badminton, this is what.

[Adam]

Is called a bad ROI for you business owners out there and you investors out there. You think you're going to get a sweetheart deal. Whatever happened, follow the money with what I would call probably the most fun richest owner in the NBA. Steve Ballmer is intrapreneur. He basically makes more Cuban look like a broke casual fan. But he recruited Kawhi and they've had nothing to show from it. Paul Georgia was supposed to be their second in command. He's gone. Nothing going on here. They've done nothing. You know, you got the Lakers. The year that he showed up to la, the Lakers won the championship in the bubble. They beat my heat. So you got the Lakers hanging championship banners. Meanwhile, the Clippers are just like hanging their heads in shame because they've done nothing. Now. They're, they're a major improvement since the races.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Don't give me NBA analysis. Tell me about the Donald Sterling. Yeah, this guy's giving us an analysis. Yeah, our audience doesn't want your analysis. They want to know what they're going to get, what I give them, I'll.

[Adam]

Tell you that much.

[Patrick Bet-David]

All right, let me get.

[Adam]

Anyway, the point is this, this was a, a shrewd business move that has backfired because they've done nothing. It's like recruiting someone to your company.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That you think is going to change the game. What's actually going to happen? You end up losing money, anything. Well, the NBA, could they lose like three draft picks for the next three?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Right now a bunch of trees are.

[Tom]

Going to be planted, I'll tell you that much. The NBA does things two ways. Loud and publicly or quiet and privately. There's usually nothing in the middle. Nothing in the middle.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's a good point.

[Tom]

It's like, you know, go study why Jordan played baseball for two years and then go look at big things where they're jumping at the microphone and sending a half million dollar fine to Mark Cuban because what he said about the refs last night, and they're just like on fire.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, that's why they have.

[Tom]

This is going to be. I think this is going to be either big and they're going to find a connection back to the team or the agent somehow, or is this going to be something quiet below the surface that says, listen, I know you guys did this. Anything else happens again, you're going to have no draft picks till the return of Christ. I understand.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, I think, I think something could happen here. But let me get to the next story, folks. If you're living in Florida and you want to be able to have the choice of what vaccines to give to your kids, you officially have it. Florida surgeon general announces plan to end vaccine mandates in schools. And I want you to hear the applause and how long it lasts when he announces that this is what's happening in the state of Florida. If you don't recognize him, he was the guy during COVID while everybody else was being aggressive and all this other stuff. They're like, no, no, we're Going to keep it open and it was kept open. They took a lot of different positions and they got a lot of heat and they ended up being right. Rob played a clip, but what I'm most excited about is an announcement that we're going to make that we're making now, which is that the Florida Department of Health, in partnership with the governor, is going to be working to end.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

All vaccine mandates in Florida law. Wow.

[Tom]

All of them.

[Patrick Bet-David]

List them. For how long?

[Tom]

All of them. Every last one of them. Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Look how long.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They're clapping.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, I'm clapping.

[Tom]

Who's the.

[Adam]

Who's the audience?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Floridians.

[Tom]

They're all standing up.

[Patrick Bet-David]

How many people?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Maybe a little less.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Wow.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

They're not stopping.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, they're not stopping.

[Tom]

Look at the reflection. They were all standing.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. So Florida announces that. By the way, Desantis, Rob, I don't know if you have the clip of the Santas during the joint press conference. There's a clip of him as well. If you have it, you could find it. If not, I'll just read it. He added, no. Joseph added, every last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery. Who am I as a government or anyone else to tell you what you should put in your body? I don't have that right. Your body is a gift from God. Desantis stressed that informed consent is essential. Essential. Stating information given to individuals where they can then make an informed decision should be the bedrock of how we function as a society. Check this out. We've lived. We've had two kids in California, one in Texas, one in Florida. In California, there was none of these, what do you call it, Picking and choosing. Your kid can't go to our school, okay? Just. This didn't exist when we moved to Texas. We thought Texas would have religion exemption. Our kids were going to a Christian school. So you would think if there's any state that you would have exemption for religious exemption, it'd be State of Cal, Texas and a Christian school. They didn't. This is the time where at 11 o' clock at night, I text Bobby and we get on a call. He calls everybody for 45 minutes and we find out we can't do nothing about it. We come to Florida. Brooklyn is born here. Senna's born in Texas. We come to Florida. Jen says, babe, I went to the doctor. He asked me, what vaccines do you want him to take her to take? Says, we're choosing not to take this and this, and we're going to wait for this, okay? Great. No problem. Moved on. I said that's all he said. That's all he said. Seriously? Yeah. No joke. Yeah. Great. Now it's anything and everything based on what you want to do. Tom, how important is this for families?

[Tom]

This is really important. And I find it shocking that the party of my body, my choice, was telling all of us that we had to do things during COVID So what happened to that? Dems, you know, my body, my choice. I think this puts power to people. There's more research out there than there has ever been. You don't have to agree with what happened with Bobby Kennedy yesterday, RFK Jr. Specifically at the senate hearings. You don't have to agree with either side to say, I, as a parent, want to make the choice. I want the choice here about what I do with my kid. This is very important for the basic of freedom. You have to do it. And by the way, if you take a look at these things, there's a lot of research and there's a lot of correlation out there. You know, you can't make these direct correlations saying, you know, if you smoke for 20 years, you get lung cancer, because believe it or not, some people that smoke for 20 years don't get lung cancer. But you can see there's a huge correlation. And people are saying and pushing reports that say, look, when it really comes down, we're going to have to get answers of why we have so many kids with autism, and we're going to get back into this vaccine thing and think that some of them, not all of them, but some of them are going to have correlation effects. So I think the freedom for the parents to choose is critical, and I think this is fantastic. And by the way, the state of Florida, what did they specifically say, Vinnie, about, you know, Covid? They say, you know, if you want to go to the beach, UV is a hell of a killer of viruses and bacteria.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And.

[Tom]

And guess what? The largest creator of UV in the known universe is the sun. So it's like, if you want to go out on the beach, you know, you don't need to get together in a mob and party, but if you're going out there by yourself, with your family or whatever, and a little bit of spacing, good grief, the sun was good for you. It turns out they were correct. So I think this is the state of Florida, in the name of freedom and choice, is doing the right thing. And I love the fact that it's the, you know, basically the surgeon general of Florida basically coming up and saying, hey, we're going to give you the freedom, and we're not doing it. I mean, this is more leadership from Ron DeSantis, who I think is a great governor. I think when you close the books on Ron DeSantis, I hope that there's not too much emphasis on the way he went through the presidential election last year. There's got to be a chapter on it, Pat. But you look at all the other ways that he has led, from during COVID to the natural disasters, to the people that are on the team up there to this decision here, I'm really happy to be in a state where he's governor.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. There's no question about it. I mean, I call him the best governor out of all the 50 states. I don't even think anybody comes close to it. Not a guy that gets done.

[Adam]

Not Newsom.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, that's for you. But for talking, solving disaster, Santis is truly the best governor we have in America, hands down. I don't think anybody comes close to the guy. Every time you're there as a family guy, as a guy that wants to be able to control the decisions for your kids, these guys just keep making the best decisions over and over again when it comes down to these types of choices.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I love it. And thank God and thank you for thinking about when I found you. You were here already. So that solved my get out of California and get out of that freaking nonsense from COVID Yesterday, when RFK was on in front of Congress, one of the best ones was Senator Roger Marshall from Kansas. License obgyn, by the way, he said on day number one, they get their first jab hepatitis B vaccine. By the time they're 18 months, they have 18 jabs. By the time they get to be able to vote, they have 76 jabs in the court.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is this it?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

This is the clip.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Oh, my God. Play this clip. Rock.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah, he's legit.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's very loud.

[Tom]

Is transparency. And I think when I hear you talk about transparency, I think part of that is sharing what, you know, what the CDC knows with parents so that they can make decisions. Behind me.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Look at that.

[Tom]

Yeah, I know. It's gonna be hard to see from there. I can barely read it. This is the current CDC recommendations for vaccines for children. On day number one, they get their first jab, a hepatitis vaccine. By the time they're 18 months, they've had 18 jabs. By the time they get to be able to vote, they have 76 jabs.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Jeez.

[Tom]

Now can read that when we talk. When I Listen, what I hear you say is that, look, vaccines are drugs. We need a measured response and a measured.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

When do we use this?

[Tom]

It's interesting that the United States has put age 65 and older for COVID vaccine. UK has chosen 75 and France 80. Obviously, sciences disagree exactly when that should or shouldn't be. Hepatitis B vaccine. It makes no sense to me. I've only delivered 5,000 babies.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But we do a hepatitis test on every mom.

[Tom]

By the time she delivers that baby, I know her pretty well. And if she doesn't have any risk.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Factors, if she's not an IV drug.

[Tom]

Abuser, if she's in a stable monogamous relationship, nobody at home has hepatitis. I don't know. I don't see the benefit myself in that hepatitis vaccine everyone's eligible for, everyone can get it. And vaccines and logic always agree with me. And no, I'm not saying if you don't know the hepatitis status of that patient, they shouldn't get it. I'm not saying if this person's had.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No prenatal care, that puts them at risk for hepatitis. Can you just speak a little bit.

[Tom]

When you talk about transparency?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And by the way, what a. Rob. Thank you, Rob. He, like, think about that. I mean, guys, it's big business. It's big pharma. We know, we talk about a lot. That's 76 jabs. That's. I don't know how many companies are involved. That's money going every child out for their entire life. Boom, boom, boom. Money, money, money, money, money. And RFK bad. Out of all the hires besides Marco Rubio, who I think is doing a great job, rfk, man, He. He came in there and all the people that are getting money from big pharma and all the donors yelling, Elizabeth Warren, Matt. And he's actually, he's giving stats and facts about my. He's like, why is myocarditis up? Why are people dying? Like, what. What is causing all this? What is causing all this Autism? And they're just furious. It was literally RFK against big pharma. That's what that was like the big pharma's pit bulls. And I'm so freaking proud. Out of all the choices, I think RFK is one of my favorite ones in the administration.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. And by the way, Rob, do you have some of the clip this, the exchange with Elizabeth Warren that things got, by the way, after a certain point, it's hard to listen to this. It's actually hard to listen to that. But let's watch which One Would you like to start off?

[Tom]

I think Elizabeth Warren's go with that one.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Go for it.

[Tom]

Confirmed in this job you're going like this, that is. You promised that you would not take.

[Adam]

Away vaccines from anyone who wanted them. You just changed the classification of the COVID vaccine.

[Tom]

I'm not taking them away from people, Senator. It takes it away.

[Patrick Bet-David]

If you can't get it from your.

[Tom]

Pharmacy, most Americans are going to be able to get it from their pharmacy for free dollars. Most Americans will be able to get it from their pharmacy for the question.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Is everyone who wants it.

[Adam]

That was your promise.

[Tom]

I never promised that I was going to recommend products with which there is no indication. When you said and I know you've taken $855,000 from pharmaceutical companies, Senator, did.

[Adam]

You hold up a big sign saying.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That you were lying when you said that?

[Adam]

Because you are the one who said.

[Tom]

You would not take them away. Now Senator, I'm not taking him away from any secretary. You want me to indicate a product for which there is no clinical care? Is that what you want, Secretary Kennedy? You said you wouldn't and now you did.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I'm not taking them away. Everybody can get access.

[Tom]

She's a pharma pawn.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Oh, and he said it. He said you took $855,000 from the pharma. By the way, she didn't, she didn't even pause to address it. It's just like, you know, skip right by it.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Do you think the big pharma like, like people in the company, let's say it's Pfizer. Do you think when they know this hearing is coming, they talk to her and they say hey, say X, Y and Z and do this or does she already have her. Her marching orders time? Like she should already know that she's gonna fight for them or do they give her like some coaching well marching orders.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This is total 2024 pharma money to to Elizabeth Warren.

[Tom]

I looked it up this morning so we could look at it right now. I brought some receipts. $388 million in 2024. And look at 23 and 22. When the COVID vaccine was the debate was shifting as to maybe this stuff wasn't right. Maybe this stuff is causing heart failure. Maybe this thing starting other thing $388 million food in and ladies and gentlemen, you have pharmaceutical research manufacturer lobbying group Pharmaceutical care management. So the lobbying group Amgen company number one, 11.7 million. Roche company number two Merkin Pfizer vaccine makers 9.1 million 9.1 million right together. There they are, folks. And now let's go look over at those who received the money. Rob, we have another link of the people that have actually received the money. There is a separate link that the. Oh, okay, hang on.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah. While he's looking for that.

[Tom]

And basically one of the guys, Bennett, that was coming unglued, received very little pharma money last year. But over the course of his campaigns, he. He was like number one.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Wow.

[Tom]

And so come on. And. And Elizabeth Warren. And you found the. The tweet where the guy dug up Open Secrets. And this is Mike. Guys.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Mike, Ben's posted a photo. I send it to Rob.

[Tom]

Rob with the red arrow.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I send it to Rob. This is Mike Benz posted this. And it's Big Pharma paid. What he's claiming or what this says from Open Secrets.

[Tom]

Here we go.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Look how much money they gave Elizabeth Warren.

[Tom]

Now let's look at it. Not just everybody on the lobbying, Pat. Now let's go look at who got it.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yep. Wow.

[Tom]

Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren. Wow.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Tim Kaine. Weird.

[Tom]

Did you see Bernie Sanders was sitting right next to her?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And this is. And you know what the trouble thing is, Tom? And our.

[Adam]

Are they mostly Democrats? Here is what I'm seeing.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I mean, I still think they all take.

[Adam]

No, no.

[Tom]

Raphael Warnock, Georgia.

[Adam]

No, he's. That's a Democrat.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Warnock. Yeah, for sure. But. But you know, the problem is, Tom, besides, I don't.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I actually don't think this is a left or right thing. I think everybody takes money. I don't want to play to say.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But you know, where you going?

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, you're right. But trust me, everybody look at. Yeah, yeah.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, they're all taking. Well, they're all taking.

[Tom]

This is just last year. Last year, 23.

[Patrick Bet-David]

By the way, this makes APAC look like a small checking account.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yep.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What Big pharma. Can you put up how much big Pharma gave lobbying last year, Rob? They're number one. Do you know by how much? Let's just kind of take a look at this.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Was it 400?

[Tom]

388.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

388. $388 million. He just showed in the chart that one. Of course, number one above.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think insurance is number seven at 107 million. We just looked at this yesterday. Rob, with Dr. Peter, go check.388.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

They call it Big Pharma for a reason.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, they're big. But I tell you, this whole time I thought that if they stopped the advertisement. Yep. And they changed the Game with that on the advertisement side, where you can't advertise no more. Only two countries, US and New Zealand. That's the kind of stuff that, that RFK Jr. Is going to need. The type of security that only a few people have if he prevents companies from advertising. CNN's out of business.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yep.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Wow.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Fox is hurting, too.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Mainstream media companies that are taking all that money, they're going to be like, what are you talking about? Yep, it's catastrophic. So imagine some of the donors that supported Trump, they're like, hey, listen, that guy right there talking about no longer allowing us to advertise, we're not happy with that. You better believe Trump's camp is getting that call.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, for sure.

[Tom]

And by the way, the sports leagues get big checks from espn, who is able to write that check because of all the advertising dollars. So if pharma is off advertising, they say that basically the salary cap. I read the thing, I read pat goes down 30%. Salary caps have to go down in sports. 30%. Because without pharma.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, no, I. ESPN.

[Tom]

I know, right? The billion dollar check.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I know, I know. So. So to me, I'm glad he's there. Adam, your thoughts on this whole thing?

[Adam]

Well, I'm glad that you showed the numbers here because if you listen to the people on X, it would lead you to believe that APAC runs our government. But the reality is Big Pharma, I don't know if they run our government, but they certainly own our bodies. They said, how many vaccines is the average kid?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

76.

[Adam]

76 before you're 18. So you got, you know, zombie kids walking out there, you know, and it's not like Big Pharma would ever try to monetize our bodies or anything like that. We didn't learn that during COVID when Pfizer and JJ and the rest of the crew made gazillions, so.

[Tom]

Or turn the other way, where you become obese and then so your diabetes, drugs.

[Adam]

The biggest problem I have is that vaccines have been, have been labeled or vilified as being bad. No, mandates are what's bad. Not giving somebody a choice is what's bad. You know, Florida, ironically, they're. They're allowing you to have a choice when it comes to vaccines, but it has one of the lowest. My body, my choice, abortion rulings, six weeks, which is a draconian in my opinion. But if you look at what America is regarding vaccines, this is basically an 80, 20 issue that has shifted over the last few years. 80% of America believes in vaccines. 80% of Floridians believes in vaccines. But we've seen a clear partisan divide since COVID and the vaccine mandates where it's closer to 50, 50 on Republican side of things. So. But let's not pretend that eradicating smallpox wasn't a good thing or making sure that kids of course don't have polio isn't a good thing. You know, there used to be millions of deaths from these types of things. Now there's next to nothing. So yeah, choice is a good thing, but let's not vilify vaccines as if they're all bad.

[Tom]

The debate is forcing on Americans number one. And then the other half of the debate is, is we all know what happened with the COVID vaccines. They didn't go through the extended trials that all the other vaccines.

[Adam]

It's called Operation warp speed. Tom, don't go there.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But, but you want to know something deeper though? Like by the way, the, and it's not just big Pharma, like, I mean it is.

[Adam]

We forgot about that.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But look at the people that are aligned in these. Like, look at, look at what some of the CDC people have. Like when I say like Trump and RFK mainly, they're not battling just politics. These are some disgusting, I believe, demonic forces that are kind of like behind it. And you know, the big farmers cash cow is on the line. Like look at you guys. This guy just quit. Pat, did you see this Dr. Demetri. The Cascalakis, whatever. He's a self proclaimed satanist with a bondage fetish who he thinks calling women mothers is outdated and he wants six month old babies injected on government. This, this guy.

[Adam]

And who is this guy?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

This guy was a top dog at the cdc, a big guy. He just. Adam, you want that guy in charge of telling you what's going to go on your body or not?

[Adam]

I need, I need more information.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Well, that's the guy. That's Dr.

[Adam]

He just doesn't seem like I want to take advice from.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

He just quit because Satanist. Because they refused to bow down to the agenda and he stormed down. He claims science is under attack and he's smearing rfk. He's crying that Kennedy might delay the hepatitis B vaccine at birth, which I agreed should be done. And then Rand Paul actually came out, Pat, and he said, and I quote, no medical reason. There's no medical reason to give newborns hepatitis B vaccine if the mother is not infected. All mothers who deliver in a hospital are tested. This scientist's fetish, he's talking about this doctor for vaccines is not supported by the data. So what would make that guy want to keep pushing and keep yelling and quit? Why, Adam? Why would he do it? Because he's. To me, my opinion. He's getting paid by somebody to tell him to say what he's saying.

[Adam]

All I know is one thing.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What?

[Adam]

Trust the science.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah, well, that guy, I don't want.

[Patrick Bet-David]

We know that.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I don't want that guy telling me what on my kid.

[Adam]

Big Pharma. Elizabeth Warren allegedly is on her 400th booster this week.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah, she's right now.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

By the way, good for Bobby RFK Love here for doing what he's doing and we hope he goes all the way through with what he's challenging the other side to do. Now let's go to another person, guys. When you get an invitation by a dignitary, what should you say? You should say, thank you, I'm on my way. Let's have a meeting. But not if your name is Zelensky. Zelensky got an invitation for a man named Putin.

[Adam]

Oh, really?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Putin invites Zelensky to Moscow for supposed peace talks. Trying to have a peace talk. And Putin on Wednesday claimed he never refused a meeting with Zelensky and invited him to Moscow. According to Russian state owned news outlet tass. If Zelensky is ready for a meeting, let him come to Moscow. Putin said. Is this it, Rob?

[Tom]

It is. It's in Russian, but there are subtitles.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I'll translate. Go ahead, go ahead.

[Adam]

Go ahead.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Positive results. If it would be possible to arrange such a meeting. I said yes. Ready? He can come to Moscow. Putin. That's great. So let me finish this thing. What happens there? But Zelensky, he's got different. He's not. I don't know. This is Zelensky. Go for it.

[Tom]

American partners told us that Putin invited me to Moscow. You know what I think? When you don't want to have a meeting, so what do you have to do? You have to invite me to Moscow. That's why I think Russia started to talk about meeting. That's not bad thing.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But right now we do not see any wish on their part to stop.

[Tom]

This war, to finish this war. And the meeting.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Would you go? Would you go, Tom, if you're Zelinsky, Adam, would you go?

[Adam]

Are you crazy? This is like a wolf inviting a sheep to dinner and being like, yeah, come to dinner. Yeah, you're on the menu.

[Tom]

Hold on. Right now.

[Adam]

Hold on second.

[Tom]

I disagree.

[Adam]

There's no chance that Zelensky is showing up to Moscow.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

If Trump, If Trump.

[Adam]

Russian autocrats jumping out of windows just for fun. What do you think they're going to do to Zelensky?

[Tom]

But think.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But this is such a.

[Tom]

They are not going to assassinate.

[Adam]

Putin is trolling Trump at this point.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Did you notice how he called him Donald? He didn't call him Mr. President. He didn't call him President Trump. He said, donald, they're boys. Think about this. Don't look at the contract you're looking.

[Adam]

At as, like, a homie thing.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No, well, I mean, I look at.

[Adam]

That as, like, a sign of disrespect now.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

They're homies, bro. He called him Vladimir the other day. Listen, Vladimir Putin is a gangster, okay? Plain and simple.

[Adam]

Are you saying gangster in a good way or no?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I mean, he's a get, Adam. You make it like you want me to love him. No, you act like I love him.

[Adam]

I do love him.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Vladimir Putin is a gang gangster. Guess who the other guy is. A ballerina. Dancing, shaking actor. Stand up when you do that dance. I can't. That might stand up when you do.

[Adam]

That dance, but there's.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

There's a difference. And to be honest, if, If, If Trump is there, they're not going to assess, bro. You know what that would do. I get it. They're at war.

[Adam]

What are they going to do?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Have more war?

[Adam]

What are they going to do?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Want to go fat more?

[Tom]

Do you know how easy this is? Guys, guys, guys.

[Adam]

You're going back. He's not leaving Moscow. Let's, let's, let's.

[Tom]

Let's make this more rational. If you're Zelensky, all Zelensky has to say is, okay, tell you what. Macron will come with me. I will come talk to you. Macron will join me. We'll fly in in the morning.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I want to see. I want to hear Tom's.

[Tom]

No, no, no. Listen, one person. Bring Vanderland from the eu. Bring Macron, whatever.

[Adam]

I'd rather bring in Vanderlei Silva and.

[Tom]

Fight and then say, look, we'll fly in the morning, we'll have lunch, we'll have our talk in the afternoon, then we'll leave.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah, I'm not eating none of that.

[Tom]

Okay, you don't have to eat.

[Adam]

You bring your own concept I've ever heard.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You want caveat? No, no, no, no, no.

[Adam]

Look, look.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Mercury poisoning.

[Tom]

Putin is not going to assassinate Zelensky.

[Adam]

It's like Hamas inviting BB for lunch. Yeah, just come on in. No, it's come on in our layer.

[Tom]

See, now you're Our tunnel layer. Now you're doing. Now you're doing. Stand up.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You wouldn't do. Well, that's not good, but. So you wouldn't do.

[Adam]

There's one person at this table we don't want doing comedy.

[Tom]

Zinsky calls me Mr. President. Do you think it's safe for me to go? Go ahead and go. Take Vanderland with you, take McCrone with you, go in there, fly in, meet with him for four hours, have your talks and leave. Yeah, I said, but I think you can make some progress here.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It says, would you do it, Pat?

[Adam]

This is.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

If you're Zelinsky, but.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But it's a tough answer. Explain to you why it's a tough answer. The reason why it's a tough answer is because if I'm Zelensky, I wouldn't have behaved the way I did at the White House, and I wouldn't have, you know, done what he did. So if it's me doing the way I know, I would have negotiated and managed the relationships, diplomacy, I would have gone, no problem, I'm going. And we'd have the meeting because I believe it shows fearlessness to me. It shows an element of, what do you want me to do? You want me to come here? And everybody told me not to do it. I'm still coming to you. It actually shows an element of what Trump did when he was on CNN every day in 2015, 2016. You know what happened at the end? Do you know what happened at the end? So here's what happened. Every time CNN invited him, he went every single time. And in the last three months of the election, they realized the Clinton camp is like, stop allowing him to come.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Stop.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You're helping him. Stop it. So then they stopped taking him. But Trump's like, yeah, what do you want to talk about? Go ahead, ask me. Yeah, what do you want to talk about? He's showing up, showing up, showing up. So he was like, man versus Obama's like, no, I'm not going to. Obama's done one Bill O'Reilly interview and one Bill Maher. He's been on Bill Maher and O'Reilly one time. Tell me how many times Trump's done 60 Minutes, CNN, Fox, MSNBC. How many times?

[Tom]

Every time.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So I don't know if I'm. That I'm.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I'm.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I'm showing up. But again, it's a very. Remember, Trump went to North Korea. Humberto's right. I love that Trump went to North Korea. He walked on to North Korea.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Slap the shoulder, a Little bit.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But. But who gets power there? Does that make Kim Jong Un look.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Good, makes Trump, or does fantastic?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I'm not afraid. Let's go, let's talk. Exactly. So I think. I think there's an element of that happening, but I also think Putin's playing games, of course, which. Which I'm not going to.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Would you eat anything. Would you eat anything at that meeting?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I'm going to eat on the longest. What do you call it, you know, fast. Ever. The longest you ever fasted? Three days when I was in Russia. What did you eat? The three protein bars.

[Tom]

The plane. You eat a meal, you go, five hours.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Here's what I want to say to you. Here's what I want to say to you. We had a trip coming up to Russia. Now I know the answer. Who's not going to go?

[Adam]

Yes. Me.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, Adam's not going.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Adam's not going to go.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I'm. I'm in the front. I'm with you.

[Adam]

Okay, have fun.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

What are you scared about?

[Adam]

You and Tucker Carlson go have a great time.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You're scared about.

[Adam]

Let me explain something to you. Russian language. So you naive, useful idiots. No could understand the words that come out.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

My grandmother, grandfather, from kids.

[Adam]

Let me explain something to you.

[Tom]

Watch this.

[Adam]

If you want to know what's going to happen to Zelensky, look no further than who was formerly Russia. Putin's biggest rival and opposition was a guy named Alexei Navalny. This guy was poisoned multiple times, and he was such a gangster that he returned to Russia to appear in court to deal with his charges. And guess what? He was put in a prison cell in no man's land in Siberia. And he was. He was found guilty of, you know, whatever they did. And he was sentenced to 20 years in jail. Now, 20 minutes later, he found himself dead in jail. So if that's what they dug. To a Russian critic, Putin. What did. Who's a Russian? Proud Russian. What are you going to do to the president of Ukraine that's at war with you? To me, this is super naive. And you guys sound like you showed up idiot puppets.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Everything that you just said. Adam, stop.

[Tom]

Okay?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

What are you two girls in the corner crying together? You two little muppets over there? Everything that you just said, you and your dad fight against.

[Adam]

Let's go.

[Tom]

Oh, my gosh.

[Adam]

Democracy. You guys are defending Putin. Go ahead. You put an apologist.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Okay, hold on.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Adam.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Ready for this?

[Tom]

Look at this.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You know, so it's Adam, let me add this. Are you ready? Look at me, Adam.

[Tom]

Don't look there.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Adam. We throw this into the mix. Adam. Russia. We go.

[Adam]

If you dance, I'm in.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No, no. Ready for this? I'm not even looking. Rob. Make that big. Good.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Go ahead.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And she comes and she's there.

[Adam]

Yes. I go to Russia right now. I impregnated.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Look at how fast your story changed.

[Tom]

Well, we tricked you. It's a guy anyway.

[Adam]

Why do I need a good. If you know anything about Florida, why do I need to go to Russia when I go to sunny?

[Patrick Bet-David]

You don't.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That hat. That hat is awesome.

[Adam]

We'll have a bullet hole in the back.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Spies like.

[Tom]

Let's stop. Let's stop. And let me ask you an honest question.

[Adam]

I'm just over you. What do you think?

[Tom]

What do you think happens if Zinsky goes there? He's assass.

[Adam]

Numbers are going to scream. What's going to happen?

[Tom]

Oh, anyway, you don't want to answer it. You don't want to engage. You don't even want to debate. Scared? Don't be a little child.

[Adam]

There's something I'm scared of the bench do you know? So don't hit me with the calculation.

[Tom]

Goes to Russia and he is assassinated.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Tom]

What happens to Putin and the rest of the world's reaction?

[Adam]

They probably go to war.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Like they don't like blow up Russia. So why would they. Why would he.

[Tom]

Starts with economic sanctions and it ends with isolation. It gets worse.

[Adam]

Well.

[Tom]

And they're in the middle of a war of attrition.

[Adam]

Let's just see what happens when Zelensky doesn't go to Russia.

[Patrick Bet-David]

All right, let's go to the next story.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Okay.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Because we already know there's not the way we're going right now. I think forget about going to Russia or going to freaking Ukraine. It's a bad place to be in Fort Lauderdale at an airport. Whether you're Canadian or whether you're Jewish. Something's going to happen here.

[Adam]

That's true.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Between the elsewheres and the Zoznik.

[Adam]

You will need to.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let's talk about somebody else who has decided to side with Turkey. And that's none other than the prime minister of Armenia. Pashinyan joins Erdogan.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

What?

[Patrick Bet-David]

In objecting to American genocide recognition, Pashinyan questioned the value of international recognition of the Armenian genocide, aligning with Turkish president. Recap. Erdogan's denialist stance telling Armenian journalists last week that Netanyahu statement had nothing to do with the Armenia's interest in asking. What have we gained from the recognition of the Armenian genocide by dozens of countries he further revealed questioning foreign leaders on their recognition motives, prompting criticism for undermining decades of Armenian efforts to publicize the 1915-1923 Ottoman massacre of 1 1/2 million Armenians. Harut Sassonyan, publisher of the California Courier, argued Pashinyan should demand justice, including restitution and return of Western Armenian territory, stating, Pashinin is thus actively undermining the pursuit of justice for the Armenian cause. The controversy rose after the Armenian Assyrian blogger. Guys, I'm a blogger now.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah, you're a blogger. You're downgraded blogger.

[Patrick Bet-David]

PBD Patrick by David pressed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on August 27, 2025 about Israel's failure to recognize the Armenian, Assyrian and a Greek genocide, with Netanyahu falsely claiming, in fact, I think we have. I think the Knesset passed a resolution to that effect before being pushed and saying, but the prime ministers never say it. And he said, I just did. Here you go. So Armenian Prime Minister saying that. I wonder what the Armenian Prime Minister said when President Biden accepted and announced, when did President Biden, Rob. Recognize the Armenian genocide? When did he say it? Two years ago.

[Adam]

Now, I want to say 2021, if I could guess.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, four years ago. Whatever the timeline was when he said it, how did Armenians receive that? Even guys who didn't vote for Biden, what did they say? Hey, we gave him love.

[Adam]

Yeah, I was right. 2021, it was one of his first acts in office.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It was like, wow, you're right. And it was fairly quickly coming out. And it's not like he did it before running. He did it. He announced it. Boom. And then look what Prime Minister Nicole Pishanyan Pashinyan said. He praised it as a strong affirmation of human rights. Meanwhile, Turkey strongly objected, warning it could cause US Turkey relations. I'm curious, Pashinyan, how come you didn't take that same position with this one? Oh, I got it. Because now you're doing a deal with Azerbaijan and you're siding with the people who actually committed the genocide on your people that you're now the Prime Minister with. So what if Netanyahu praises it or not? So what if he recognizes it or not? So what? Whether you like him or not, what are you afraid of? It's another world leader that has never done it, that is now finally doing it. Isn't that validation for you? Are you concerned about that? Is this something that you worry about? Now, don't get me wrong. A lot of people that are watching this, you know, 2% of the audience that's watching this is like, well, how about the genocide that he's committing and all this other stuff? Let's isolate this issue. Those are two separate topics that you want to go to. You guys can go and, you know, join the mob with that conversation. I'm isolating this one here. It's very interesting what Pashinyan is doing with his handling on a situation like this. I'd love to sit down with him and ask him why he would take that position. Why would, why would you be so welcoming of Biden's recognition but not Netanyahu's? Well, because Netanyahu is playing politics. They're all playing politics. You think Biden's not playing politics? You think all the other countries that claim they are not playing politics? You think you're not playing politics? You think Trump's not playing politics? You think Zelensky is not playing? You think Putin's down? Who's in a state leader not playing politics? Tell me one that's not playing politics. Who? Everybody's playing politics. But if something gets recognized and it's given, receive it for the people that wanted you to receive it. By the way, you have to realize, guys, within a span of a week, my life's been very weird. For one day, we have the most like, dislike ratio interview. They call it the greatest Netanyahu interview ever done. Okay, Record breaking. The greatest net y' all interview ever done.

[Adam]

Incredible.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And the like dislike ratio, astronomical. Never seen anything like this. Humberto's favorite interview of all time.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Loves it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So that's that. That's that part when that takes place. Now, I got the most death threats ever. Most to the point that we have to have certain things that we have to make adjustments for, but that's that. Week later is jubilee. And jubilee, the greatest interview ever done to defend capitalism. What an incredible, you know, spectacle of sitting there doing that. Either way, they have two different purposes. But on the fact that a guy like Netanyahu recognized the Armenian genocide, I got a lot of Armenians that say, I don't need him to recognize it, I don't need him to recognize it. Are the same people who hated Biden, Trump supporters. That says I don't need Biden to recognize it. Stop with your. What do you call it? Self righteous. Yeah, yeah, two.

[Adam]

Holier than thou.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Holier than thou. I don't want to receive that stuff. Stop, stop. Okay? He said it. It's documented. It's there now. And now let's see what Pashini is going to do with it. Some Tells me Pashinia is very scared of Turkey and very worried and his diplomacy. The event that happened with Trump, Trump helping him out, at least for now. He may be protected under Trump, but is Armenia going to be protected under whoever the president's going to be after Trump? I don't know. Are you showing that kind of strength and diplomacy where your people are safe under your leadership? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Anyways, I. I don't know if you guys have any. One of you guys have any. Go for it. Go ahead, Adam.

[Adam]

Well, and I don't this. I don't have a horse in this race other than I'm a believer in the truth. And if I'm Armenian, this is a complete slap in the face to any Armenian that cares about the Armenian genocide. And I'm sure we're going to have some stats that we can pull up about what the Ottoman Empire did to their neighbors. If you want to talk about genocide, you know, the Ottoman Empire, the Turks, they're at the top of the list. So everyone throws that G word out there, you know, for 50, 000 more or less, Hamas fighters or civilians, we're talking millions of people that died not thousands of years ago, not centuries ago, 100 plus years ago. And all these people died at the hands of the Ottoman Turks. So now you have Erdogan of Turkey calling Bibi of Israel the genocider. Look in the mirror, big dog. So it's pretty disgusting to me how, you know, when you point in the mirror, there's, you know, you point, there's three fingers pointing right back at you. There's a complete slap in the face. I'm not involved in Armenian Azerbaijan politics, but it would appear to me that this guy is nothing more than a Turkish puppet at this point. Take the compliment, take the acknowledgment, and move on. There's a show called the Young Turks that Cenk and Anna run. What are you. You're giving a shout out to the Armenian genocide? Is that what the Young Turks is doing? To me, this is the equivalent of Bibi downplaying the Holocaust. So I don't know what the Pashinian is thinking, but why don't you stand on the side of your people, not on the side of the genociders?

[Patrick Bet-David]

There you have it. Okay, let's go to the next door here. Fifth, page five. Vinnie, I'm coming to you and Adam on this one here. Oh, yeah, Trump looking to ban transgender people from having a gun and declaring them mentally ill. Department of justice considering a proposal to restrict Transgender Americans from possessing firearms, prompted by a mass shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic church by a 23 year old trans woman, with a Justice Department official stating to CNN to ensure that mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell. This move, described as preliminary by cnn, contradicts the Trump administration's Second Amendment advocacy. As Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote earlier this year, for too long, Second Amendment, which establishes the fundamental individual right of American to keep and bear arms, has been treated as a second class right, no more. And its policy of this department justice to use its full might to protect the Second Amendment right of its law abiding citizens. The proposal builds on Trump's directives targeting transgender rights, including an executive order erasing federal recognition of trans people, restricting gender affirming health care, banning trans athletes from women's sports, and forcing out thousands of trans service members. With Defense Department guiding guidance stating the medical and surgical mental health constraints on individuals who have a current diagnosis or history of, or exhibit symptoms consistent with gender dysphoria are incompatible with the high mental and physical standard necessary for military service. This is from the Independent. By the way. Vinny, your thoughts on this story.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And listen, you know me, you know how many guns I have? I'm pro Second Amendment, I'm all for it, but at the same time, when they're saying they're evaluating options, these are people that, it's, it's a trend that keeps happening, okay? It's not like we're making this up out of thin air. These, these same people, the transgender, non, binary, whatever, they're loaded up on SSRIs, which you guys know are anti depression depressants. They're supposed to calm you down, okay? But the majority of the time, especially when you have a mental disorder, I don't know, something happens where they go over the edge and they just love killing, shooting innocent kids and churches and schools. It's weird. But you're not supposed to say anything because you're transphobic, you're lg, you hate the LGBTQ community, which is bs, okay? And gender dysphoria, okay, is right there in the dsm, which is the Diagnostic for a Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the book that doctors use to define mental illness. It's in there, okay? You have a mental illness, you're sick in the head, okay? And if you got serious stress over your identity, okay? And it's diagnosed as a disorder. That's not. That's not my opinion. It's a medical Fact. All right? And then you take someone like that, mentally disabled, gone. All right? You pump them with freaking brain altering drugs, and then we wonder, hey. And then give them a gun. And then we go, wait a minute. What? Why would they go and shoot a bunch of kids that are praying in the church? And I love the shock factor, Pat, when people are like, how could we never saw this happening? Rob, if you could find this. They have a video of the transgender shooter that just happened. He's in a store with a. With a ponytail looking for bullets and guns. They just released it yesterday. So even the Department of Justice is admitting there's. And they said a pattern of violence tied to mental health and substance abuse. Abuse. But they won't say the obvious. The common thread is right in front of us. All right? And this isn't about, hey, I want to keep telling people this. They always say, hey, you hate, you hate. No, no. It's about public safety. All right? And if you're mentally unstable and you're medicated, okay, and to the point of psychosis, I don't think there should be anywhere near a firearm. This is the guy. This is the guy that just shot up. He looks kind of like a boy, but in the back, the hair. I mean, my hair kind of looked like that a week ago, but. Yeah, but look, he's just casually doing. He's looking for the. Oh, he's looking for all the gun. The ambulance. This is the shooter from last week. The one that shot up the Minneapolis shooter, The one that was in the apartment. His apartment recording. He doesn't look like. Yeah, he looks completely different. Look, a place for well being. That's definitely not the place that you're at right now, bro. But the truth has to come out, and that's the truth. I don't think. Adam, what do you think these guys like? SSRIs, antidepressants, dealing with transgender. You don't know if you're a boy or a girl, and then they want to give you a gun.

[Adam]

Yeah, well, we certainly have a problem in this country. I don't know if it's a gun problem. I don't know if it's a mental health problem. I don't know if it's a depression problem. I don't know if it's a drugs problem. I don't know if it's a decaying of our people problem. But that's collectivist. We have a massive problem. And it's reminiscent of exactly what Trump said when we had an Islamic terrorist terrorism problem in 2016, 2017. And then Trump said this about the Muslim ban. Do you remember this line?

[Tom]

Donald J. Trump is calling for a.

[Adam]

Total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering.

[Tom]

The United States until our country's representatives.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Can figure out what the hell is going on.

[Tom]

And then he says this.

[Adam]

We have no choice. We have no choice. No choice.

[Tom]

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[Patrick Bet-David]

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[Patrick Bet-David]

So you're about to make a trade based on a friend's text, but which.

[Tom]

You do you listen to, is it we could buy a house in Tulum.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Get optioning those options.

[Adam]

We could lose everything.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Or let's do a little research, get.

[Patrick Bet-David]

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[Adam]

We have no choice.

[Tom]

No choice.

[Adam]

We have no choice. I don't know what the exact laws are Second Amendment. People might agree, might disagree. There's a clear understanding that school shootings are done by trans people.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

A lot of them.

[Adam]

A lot of them not.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Not even allegedly.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No. It's happened.

[Adam]

Literally.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Tom]

Right.

[Adam]

So until we figure out pattern what.

[Patrick Bet-David]

The hell is going on, it's not traumatic, but there is a pattern.

[Adam]

Clearly.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

So until we figure out what the hell is going on, people with massive mental health disorders probably shouldn't have guns.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's on the Adam if they. If you have one. You're not supposed to have a gun. On top of that, you're on drugs that are known to make people crazy. Not only Suicidal. Listen, if you're already dealing with transgender, gender dysphoria, whatever it is, and God help them, I hope that, you know, instead of having a society pat them on the back and say, you go live your truth, help these people find out what the hell is going on in here. What happened to their youth? What happened? Did they go through trauma? But no, now you know that they have a mental disorder. They're on these drugs, Adam, that are known to make you go crazy, and then you're going to give them a gun. And I know what the Second Amendment. People are going to say, no, everybody should be allowed to have a gun. I agree. But if you have a mental problem, a mental disorder that the Department of Justice and the DSM has already classified, why would you ever give anybody that has a mental disorder a gun?

[Adam]

You.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You're not in your right mind. I don't get it. And then how many. I mean, how many more?

[Patrick Bet-David]

So you're for this? You're for this?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I'm for. I'm for transgender. Peck of the majority, like, they already are mentally messed up. If you're a transgender, you have gender dysphoria. You have a mental disorder.

[Patrick Bet-David]

If you're transgender, right now, somebody who is transgender, is that considered mentally ill?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Is that what dysphoria you mean?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. Is gender dysphoria considered mentally ill?

[Tom]

I don't know.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yes. Yes. By the dsm, the Diagnostic of Statistic Manual of Mental Disorders. The doctors use it for mental illness. Gender dysphoria is right. Gender dysphoria change.

[Patrick Bet-David]

In recent years, DSM 5 Centers is listed gender as a mental disorder.

[Adam]

No. It says it's not considered a mental illness.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It says it is.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No Madam being transgender disorder as a mental disorder.

[Tom]

The older version did identify it as a mental disorder, and they changed it. In 2013, they replaced it, and now it's not.

[Adam]

So now we're identifying as mental disorders.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So it's not. Okay.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

2022, update the.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who removed it?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah. Who was in charge in 2022?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Well, guess what? So. So the. It's a. Then it's not a mental disorder. Okay. Today it's not. So if it's not Vinnie the same way. What did Trump do with trend? What did he do with them? Terrorist organization. What did he do with many of these guys? Terrorist organization. If he qualifies this, and maybe RFK qualifies this, then for me, it makes sense. For me, believe it or not, I also think anybody taking SSRIs, anybody taking them shouldn't have a Gun.

[Adam]

Anybody?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Anybody? Well, I'm telling you right now, for me, anybody. Because when you see what that chemical reaction does to you, where you, the side effects you're seeing, what it causes you to do? Suicidal side effects, suicidal reaction. In many cases, they tell you in the box on what could happen if you take these. What is if, if you got suicidal tendencies, you don't care if you're willing to kill yourself. Do you think you're not willing to kill other people?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Great point.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, I, I think, I think. By the way, and that's a controversial statement I'm making. It is, but all I'm saying to you is if you're going there, then somebody else may come in and say, why don't we go there? Because one can't go without the other. That's exactly what I'm saying.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And just to make the point, you.

[Adam]

Got some hardcore two way people that do not agree with what you know.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I know, I know.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And by the way, because I think.

[Adam]

Legally, hear me out. I think legally, fact check this. If you have just a basic mental problem, you have depression, you have anxiety, you could definitely own a gun in this country. That's not even, that's not even an issue.

[Tom]

Okay, there's, there's two things here. So let's go check that. Let's go to receipts and I'll. And I'm going to give you unemotional receipts. So whenever you hear the NRA talking about 4473. So if you look up NRA 4473, that. And it's, it's everywhere, they lobby on this quite a bit. That is a form that you must voluntarily fill out. And I'm gonna go to insurance and you're gonna back me up on something.

[Adam]

Okay? Don't be so sure about that.

[Tom]

No, no, you will. And 4473 is a form that you have to voluntarily fill out that said I'm on psychological medication. Once you fill that out, the guy at this counter says, well, if you're voluntarily telling me that I cannot sell you a gun because you're voluntarily telling me that you're under care and you've got this, so go away. There's no check. Whereas if you want life insurance and says, are you taking any drugs? No, I'm not. Sign here. Because we're also going to do a script check your. Wait, wait, wait. I'm happy to give you life insurance, but the price is going to change because you've been on nicotine patches for three years. When did you quit smoking? And you're on thyroid medication, so you can still get life insurance, but the price is going to go up because of your risk factors. Why didn't you tell the truth? We can tell they don't do that to buy a gun. And so. Yeah. Yep. So the ETF doesn't want 4473 to become a check because they want people to be able to get the guns. That's bad. On the other hand, I have to call the local sheriff and say, my cousin Adam is batshit crazy, had a breakdown because of a recent divorce. He has two guns at home. I don't want him to harm himself, and I think he needs to get his head together. Sheriff David is dispatched to say, hey, Adam, there's a concern from one of your. Do you have firearms here? Yes, I own two pistols. He tells the truth. I know. I show the serial numbers here and your permit number. We need to take them. We're not confiscating them, but we are going to impound them. And then you need to go to court and talk about this because a family member is concerned about you. Thank you for cooperating. I'm taking your weapons. So that's the way it works. You have to have a family member turn you in and it happened, or you have to voluntarily do this. My attitude is, I believe that if, if, if life insurance automatically does script check, then why shouldn't a gun purchase fully script check?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I fully agree. If I. Tom, if I right now try to sell you an insurance policy and the insurance company finds out you're on Prozac or Zoloft and I lied.

[Tom]

On the last page.

[Patrick Bet-David]

If they find out. Okay, Rob, can you, can you, can you pull up. Do life insurance companies underwrite somebody taking Prozac or Zoloft or Zoloft? Do life insurance companies. They don't.

[Tom]

Right.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Underwrite those taking. And what do you call those medicines? So Prozac, ssr in a different way. What does it say?

[Tom]

Medication alone. It's not disqualified, but it will make it more expensive.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's going to make you more expensive. So check this out. So if life insurance companies automatically see it as a risk, and that's life insurance. Why wouldn't somebody that's selling a gun.

[Tom]

And you sign and give them permission to look at public records of your.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Prescriptions, if you, if, if Trump and them are going to go this direction, well, you got to go full. Right. It's, it's, it's like, you know, don't say that. Don't do it. Yeah, don't go full. Yeah, don't do it. Yeah.

[Adam]

Nobody go full.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, because Tropic Thunder, you're done if you do something like that. Right? So to me, I, I, Tom, for a guy that.

[Tom]

I'm too in and.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I am like, go with this. Yep, I am. I'm good.

[Adam]

Because life insurance companies, right.

[Tom]

It's like, so why don't you do that? And by the way, how quickly do we do it? How quickly do life insurance companies do that?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Check Very quickly.

[Tom]

There are, there are instant underwriting and accelerated underwriting now, Vinnie, that'll happen. I'll be sitting at your house. I fill it out on my iPad. It goes in there.

[Adam]

Tom, we're going to lose the audience if we start correcting people on how to fill out a life insurance application.

[Tom]

No, no, no. I'm just saying it is quick. It doesn't take weeks. It's very quick. They can practically do it at the point of sale. You go to Best Buy to get an iPhone. Getting your credit check in seconds.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Tom, we're going to go to the next story. And the next story is about Venezuela is what we're going to go to. President Trump praises military strike on Venezuela drug boat. And what does Venezuela do first? Let me read that. Rob, do you have the video right there? I do. If you can play this clip first and then play the other one. This is, this is getting very interest. So watch this one here, folks. This is what President Trump is praising. Look, look, look. Earmuffs.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

All the bags of drugs in the back. Probably some guns. Let's just be honest with each other, change the angle.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Minding their own business. They're just kind of nice little boat ride, ocean. Hey, here's a cigar.

[Tom]

Heading to Miami.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Let's change the friends. All right, Incoming in. Oh, you know what?

[Tom]

That's why you should never smoke in bed.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Done.

[Adam]

Those guys all die.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

By the way, do we know who was on the boat?

[Tom]

11 individuals they claim are drug smugglers. So, okay, they were turned out 44.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Who are now in the agua. They were right.

[Tom]

Apparently. According to reports, they were driving the boat at night, dark, with no lights to try and be, you know, incognito. So they were definitely up to something suspicious.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, so they were definitely up to something suspicious. So President Trump praises that. Was there a tweet on that or no video? Okay, go for it. You come out, and when you leave the room, you'll see that we just, over the last few minutes, literally shot out a boat, a drug Carrying boat, lot of drugs in that boat. And you'll be seeing that and you'll be reading about that. It just happened moments ago. And our great general head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who has been so incredible including what took place in Iran knocking out potential nuclear power for a long time to come. I think within a month they would have had it if we didn't do what we did. But he gave us a little bit of a briefing and you'll see and there's more where that came from. We have a lot of drugs pouring into our country coming in for a long time composite. Right. And we just Meanwhile Venezuela fighter jets flew over US Navy ship in show of force. This is a CBS story. Two armed Venezuelan F16 jets which I think Americans sold it to them. Right.

[Tom]

That is old technology that we sell to people like Venezuela to protect themselves. Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Flew over to USS Jason Dunham and Aegis guided missile destroyer on Thursday in a show of force. Okay. As confirmed by multiple Defense Department officials with the Pentagon stating on X this highly provocative move was designed to interfere with our counter narco terror operation. The cartel running Venezuela strongly advised not to pursue any further effort to obstruct, deter or interfere with counter narcotics and counter terror operations carried out by the US military. The flyover Kurt. In the international waters in the southern Caribbean part of US naval flotilla deployed to target criminal organizations and narco terrorism Through CBS News could not confirm any specifics response from the USS Jason Dunham. So Tom, your thoughts on this here.

[Tom]

First of all, if anybody understands what the, the three Aegis class destroyers that are out there, they had that those aircraft on radar from 100 miles away or, or more. And those guys were almost certainly on direct radar lock as they flew over and they knew it. And with a simple message back to Maduro. The only reason those guys aren't in the water is because we didn't bother to. And your little show of force here, we could have splashed both of those things before you even had a chance to finish your morning coffee. And so this show of force with. This is not a show of force. It is a, it is a political photo op that Venezuela is trying to do for the rest of the world. But if we thought that there was any threat to those guys, they would have been downed from 50 miles away and that. So to me this is really odd. And the Department of Defense is showing some restraint here. Yeah, those two aircraft here, I really wouldn't do that again. So we're basically saying I told you once, that's it, and that's, that's what we're saying here. I told you once, you want to do this again? You know what? This could be really bad because there's a reason that we sent those. And by the way, Vinnie, do you think those destroyers are alone?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Hell no.

[Tom]

Or do they have little brothers below the wall?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

They have a lot of little, I mean, little big brothers with a lot of capability.

[Tom]

And they have also got high altitude aircraft that's got a radar blanket over the whole place. They've got everything they need. And so these destroyers are not out there vulnerable. So I. This wasn't a show of force, it was a show of stupidity.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Tom]

And then the Defense Department, they're lucky that we just didn't do it, Pat. And because the other thing would have been a little blue box from the Department of Defense. Dermaduro, what the hell were you thinking? Period? Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You know, I'm shocked PETA hasn't said anything because they blew up that boat with the water with the cocaine. And like, you know how many sharks are probably just coked out of their mind. Remember cocaine bear. Oh my God, am I freaking dolphin. Am I dolphin? Like they're losing their minds right now and I'm shocked.

[Tom]

Peter staying up all night, swimming oddly.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Talking like their friends, ears off, scratching.

[Tom]

Scratching their cheeks really fast.

[Adam]

Yeah, those about how sharks are acting. Interesting.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's cocaine talk, but go ahead.

[Adam]

Okay, gotcha. Well, everyone knows Maduro's a bad dude. I, I, I, I also have major issues, basically what's going on here. Anytime the CIA gets, try to gets involved in regime change, that always ends ugly most of the time. By the way, how did our war on drugs work out in the history. It's been a massive failure.

[Tom]

The drugs won.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I mean, it filled the prisons with millions of black and brown dudes. I used to listen to the song, I got five on it. I was like, damn, this is the jam. They're like, yeah, it means like a nickel bag of weed.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah.

[Tom]

I was like, oh, when you say we filled, that's not a big. Remember Kamala Harris? Harris on Three Strikes Along California?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Very good song by Loonies, but it's incredible song. Yeah.

[Adam]

I always wanted to have five on it until I realized that it was a nickel bag. And then I realized you can go to jail for a nickel bag. What? So that's what happened there. So the government wasted. Tom, people are talking. The government wasted billions of dollars on fighting the drug war in Latin America. That, that did nothing. Meanwhile, big pharma here in America, we just talked about it, made billions, if not trillions, and we got thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people hooked on opioids here in America. So there's a massive opioid epidemic that we need to deal with. I just don't know if this show of force is actually going to benefit us in the end, because anything we've done in the war on drugs has backfired.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Well, let's see. Let's see what's going to happen here. I can tell you one of the 20 things he did talk about was fentanyl. And if you want to focus on something like Epstein and that's all you care about. He's trying to focus on his 20 issues. Okay? That's what he's trying to do.

[Tom]

It's true.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So don't. Don't get distracted here with the games that you play sometime that gets out of control.

[Adam]

Listen, you just.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You just so. So let me get back to this.

[Adam]

You just like the loonies reference?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I love the loonies.

[Adam]

That's right.

[Patrick Bet-David]

By the way. And I like the streaming version of that song.

[Adam]

I will give you a thousand dollars right now if you can sing the I got five on it song by the loonies. Thousand dollars right now.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Just sing the chorus, Tom.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's. That's all you have to get.

[Adam]

Just the chorus.

[Patrick Bet-David]

How does I got. I want to go.

[Tom]

I don't know.

[Adam]

I don't know about it. My name is the biz dog. I don't know about it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

All right, so let me show you this.

[Adam]

Creep on in on it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let's go to the. If you live in Dearborn Heights, here's what's going on in Dearborn Heights. And you know about it. Dearborn Heights. This is the official police badge.

[Tom]

Wow.

[Patrick Bet-David]

In Dearborn Heights. Just to make sure everybody knows, Dearborn Heights is the first in US with Arabic on their police patch. Okay, so let's go through this here. The Dearborn Heights Police Department to do the nation's first police batch featuring both English and Arabic script designed by officer. Officer Emily Murdoch to reflect the city's diverse community. In the patch displaying the Michigan seal in the center. In the wards of Dearborn Heights police. Written both languages. The department, led by police chief Ahmed Haydar, confirmed on Wednesday that the optional patch can be worn as part of officers uniforms, aiming to honor the 39% of Dearborn Heights residents of Middle Eastern North African descent as of 2023, with neighboring Dearborn having a 55% population of similar background. The department praised the initiative, stating on Facebook, we are proud of Officer Murdoch's creativity and dedication, helping our department better represent the people we serve. Our officers proudly serve all members of our community. And this new design is another way we can continue to celebrate the rich cultures that make our city unique. Vinnie, your thoughts on this?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I'm. Listen, you could call me a racist, you could call me xenophobic, whatever the hell you want to call me. I don't care. This is a no go. I don't give a damn if it's Arabic, Hebrew, Farsi, I'm a Syrian. It doesn't matter. The second you put on foreign language on a local law enforcement uniform, you cross the line. And anybody you. There's nothing that you could say that's going to change my mind. Okay? We made. Like, where. Where do we live? We're the United States of America. No, I don't. I don't like any other. It's. This is our freaking country. And I don't. Call me whatever the hell you want. And again, Adam, we're talking about the New York thing. We. We let one then this is going to happen here, and it's not going to stop. I'm. I'm anti this through and through, period.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Adam.

[Adam]

Well, I'm done. I just got back from Detroit. I was actually in Dearborn because when you fly into Detroit airport, you have to go through Dearborn, and I actually.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Went out of my way. Comfortable. You're more comfortable flying into Dearborn Heights than Russia.

[Adam]

I will sit down with anybody. Okay, you want to know what has.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Come to this right now?

[Patrick Bet-David]

He's right.

[Adam]

Are you ready?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You ready?

[Adam]

This was. I walk into the airport, I sit my mom down. This was my first experience as soon as I got to the airport. Play it with volume, please. What's up, guys? Here in Detroit. And just want to bring you into speed on what's going on here. Detroit. I want to be very clear that I'm in Detroit and I'm in an airport, and these are my people sitting near me in America.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Damn.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Ma', am, you're getting close.

[Adam]

I'm in there.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

They might know. They might recognize you.

[Adam]

Let me just make sure. So, by the way, I have multiple videos of this. Practice whatever religion you want. Do whatever you want in America. Freedom of speech, freedom, religion. We're done with the face covering thing. There's people in Detroit covered up as if they're going to Mecca today. This is a little aggressive to me. So this is just a A little example here of now the police. The what is this? The shield is in Arabic. I'm okay with it. There's no face coverings.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You're okay with the shield thing, but you're not.

[Adam]

I'm just saying there needs to be a line drawn here. I don't know. I don't know about the shield. I see different languages. Different, different.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Not in America.

[Tom]

Okay, Adam, they're gonna get upset, but.

[Adam]

The, the, the fact that you could just operate how you're operating in Saudi Arabia, in Detroit, is problematic to me.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

But I mean, does it bother you that they're wearing the. I mean, other races, you don't get.

[Adam]

Mad at them for wearing a Yamaha covering your face?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Well, that's their religion. I don't think that. I don't think that's bad.

[Adam]

To me.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

I think to me is messed up.

[Adam]

To me, that's cultural. As long as you show your face, we're okay.

[Patrick Bet-David]

On the other one.

[Adam]

Did I say no face, no case? Yeah, no, I, I. Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is it because, like, if you're trying to flirt, you want to know what they look like?

[Vinnie Tortorich]

That's a whole different.

[Adam]

I'm just saying whether it's a master but.

[Patrick Bet-David]

If that's what you're saying, maybe there's a but. But to me, I don't have a problem. But that's how they dress. Because that's their religious way of dressing.

[Adam]

Not in America, buddy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I got a problem with this here guy. That's what I got a problem with. I got a problem with that. Okay.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yep.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's what, that's what bothers me the most. Let me go to Tim Kane, former vp, former candidate for Hillary Clinton sparks backlash after calling Declaration of Independence God given rights extremely troubling. Rob, do you have this clip by any chance? So he faced widespread criticism after stating during a Wednesday Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing. And this is what he had to say. Go ahead.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

The notion that rights don't come from laws and don't come from the government.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But come from the Creator.

[Adam]

That's what the Iranian government believes.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

It's a theocratic regime that bases its.

[Adam]

Rule on Shia law and targets Sunnis.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Baha', Is, Jews, Christians, and other religious minorities. And they do it because they believe.

[Tom]

That they understand what natural rights are from their creator.

[Adam]

So the statement that our rights do.

[Tom]

Not come from our laws or our.

[Adam]

Government, governments is extremely troubling.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Baby.

[Adam]

Oh, my.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Okay, so what. Okay. And I know we touched on it a little bit early in the week, but this is, to me, like, what The Democratic Party has become, he said, the idea that rights come from the Creator, not the government. He said it. It's extremely troubling. And he compared it to Iran, like, are you. That's not a slip of the tongue, bro. That's exposing the mindset of the party that hates what this country was built on. So our fathers. And I want to. I want to prove to you how absolutely wrong he is, Tom, because you said it before we started. It's crystal clear in the Declaration of Independence, and I quote, all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Okay? Right. Not from the government. Not by politicians like Tim Kaine. Okay? By God. All right? And if the government gives you your rights, guess what they could do, Tom? They can take them away. All right? And that's how dictatorship like Mao's China operates. Okay? And look what it. And again, look what the party stands for. And I, I, I, I was on Pierce Band. I was going against Jim. Jim Carvale. James Carville.

[Adam]

James Carville.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

And what's his Titan?

[Adam]

Cajun.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Harry Sisson. I go, what did your party stand for? I go, if you guys have all these problems, I go, you're pushing a gender ideology. You guys mutilate children with surgeries and hormones. That's your party. Open borders that like chaos pour in which more sex trafficking happens. You put American families in danger. You guys want to defund the police. You celebrate abortion. You weaponize the Department of Justice and FBI to destroy people in your way. What else? What do you stand for?

[Tom]

Yeah, but Vinny, Vinnie, other than that.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yeah. And Tom. I love you, Vinny.

[Adam]

You sound very angry.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No, no, Adam, it just drives me.

[Adam]

It's almost like you're an angry patron.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

No, but, but it just drives me crazy because you have people like this saying complete lies, okay? And then we. You're showing your true colors. You're not even hiding it. You're saying it didn't come from God. Really? Then who should I believe? Should I believe you? Tim Kaine, who has absolutely no lips. I have small lips. Tim Kane doesn't have any lips. So when you have him saying that they don't come from God, but it comes from government, he's saying. He's saying. He's saying the quiet part out loud, which I'm actually proud. Good. Show your colors. Show who you are. Okay? He's telling you straight up that the. That in their America and his America and this Democrat guy's America, all right? Politicians play God, period. This is the Word. This really, really pissed me off when I heard him say it. That it doesn't come from God. What do you agree, Tom?

[Tom]

So, well, it's right there in the Constitution, you know, inalienable rights granted by our creator. And that's what led to the Bill of Rights. And that's what, that's what it's based on. And so for him to say that is incorrect now is, is he just being really clumsy in this particular hearing and saying, no, your rights don't come from braves. Rights come right here that we make the laws in the Constitution. Well then I could get that. But that's not what he said. And it was a very cumbersome argument. And I'm with Vinnie, it's like, dude, what are you saying?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Well, you know, you wait for a moment for them to try to invite and welcome another community into their base. And I don't know how many times they keep fumbling this time after time after time. Again, they keep fumbling this. And keep in mind, he was about to be your vice president, America.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Yep.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He was disclosed. If James Comey doesn't release what he released, Hillary Clinton's your president. And by the way, Trump may never be the president. That's right, Trump may never. Hillary would have been a two termer and today he could have been your president as the VP becoming like a Joe Biden type of thing.

[Tom]

She wasn't perfectly healthy. She, we were one. If she was president, we were a stroke away from this guy being president.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, that would have been troubling. Adam, your thoughts?

[Adam]

Well, let's just say this. America is a Christian country and those of us that are Jews, that are Muslims, that are Buddhists, that are Hindu, we're all just guests. And let's respect the fact that America is a Christian country. Now, it might not say that explicitly in the Constitution, but we all kind of know this was founded based on Judeo Christian values by Christian people that are being persecuted and came to America. Whether it was the pilgrims or whether it was our forefathers that started this country. And I'm Jewish and I'm saying this, I also want to say that this is an English speaking country. Even though English is not, quote unquote, the law of the land. We all know that this is an English speaking country. So some things are assumed, some things are applied, some things are God given. I get it. There's a constant tug of war between separation of church and state. Should it be secular, should be more theocratic, should the ten Commandments be in school. But let's just understand this is a Christian country and don't upset the Christians. Now, my other response is, can the Christians get a little bit of a backbone? Because the Muslims have it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It.

[Adam]

The Jews have it. Christians are a little too tolerant, in my opinion. So stop being so soft Christians and speak up.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Watch your language right here. This thing almost came.

[Adam]

Sorry, guys.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This thing was like. It was, like, naturally go like this.

[Adam]

I'm rooting.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

You're gonna get five on it.

[Adam]

I'm rooting. I'm trying to give you guys credit.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Your face is about to have five on it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's coming very soon. All right, all right, let's get to the end of the podcast, guys. Two shout outs I gotta get. Okay, one, I got to give a shout out to the greatest pastor in the world. I've heard so many people preach over the years. No one has come close to this man. He's a special man. He's been going through some challenges the last two years. Family, you know, brother. And. And he's. He's holding it together. The one and only Dudley Rutherford. If you can share this with him, I hope he sees it. Dudley, just so you know, you are loved by me. You are loved by our kids. Our kids, when we ask them, can we go to church or watch Deadly. Unanimous. Would rather watch Deadly. We're on The Colossians Part 3. You had another pastor preach this past Sunday. They want to watch the whole 18 episode that you guys want to go through. The kids are committed. The family's committed. You need to know you are loved by people around the world, and your name is always coming up. Cannot tell you how many people love you if you feel that way. Send a man a message if you know who he is. Give the man some love. Number two. This one I'm not comfortable about, and I want you guys to not watch this part. If you guys want to get off the podcast now and just go do something else, please go. Don't watch this next part. I'd much rather only be zero viewers while I'm saying this so nobody sees this last part of it. Respectfully, please get off the podcast. This past Monday, we had friends over at our house, about 100 of them, and it was amazing. Kids are swimming in the pool. We're eating good food. All this other stuff, having fun, you know, joking. All fights taking place outside with kids. We'll keep that anonymous. But we decided, me, Tikrin, and. And a couple of us to play dominoes. And we have one of our friends, Lewis, who's a good domino player, but he's not a great domino player. Like, he's just. He can play and have fun with you. That's what it was.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Like a sixth man.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think he was good in maybe geometry, not more math, analysis or. But then we played with this one lady who comes later on. We found that her father at the time, grandfather at the time, 40 years ago, was a professional domino player. Allegedly, I want to put that allegedly from Venezuela. And then while we're playing, she beats us the first time. And I sat there, said, she just got lucky. There's no way in the world this is legit or real. This is just fake. I said, let's go one more time. And then after the second time, when she beat us, and I tell you, beat us, she beat us in a way that she was counting everybody's chips. And we know how to play this game.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, wow. Really?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Counting Tikran's chips.

[Vinnie Tortorich]

Oh, snap.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Two games, she dominated everybody. And I. I gotta give Karina Machado a shout out. And then later on, her husband said she went to the top university in Venezuela, El Catolica, Venezuela, if I'm saying it correctly. And guess what? She is the only person in the history of that school to get a hundred on her calculus in the university. Vinu showed up and I told her, if they ever fire you, you got a job here with us. So I told you I'm going to keep my promise and I'm doing it here. Folks, please don't share this with anybody. Especially if you know her, don't even send it her way. I just said I'm going to do it and I want to make sure I do it. Everybody that was there, you know who you are. We're gonna have a rematch. Hey, wherever you are, you're watching this. We're gonna have a rematch.

[Adam]

Let's go.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I've been taking some calculus late night classes, studying math analysis. Anyways, gang, much love to everybody. We're gonna be gone. You're not gonna get a podcast on Monday. You're not gonna get a podcast from us on Wednesday, meaning a live home team podcast. I believe on Monday we have a. Our. Oh, oh my. Monday's gonna be sick. Our trip to Italy. We're going to be announcing a new partner of ours, a collaboration that we've been working on for a while. They'll be coming out an interview of the number one clothing brand that billionaires were, according to New York Times.001% of the world that wears. You're going to see an entire skep spectacle of what it was when we went to Italy. And then we have on 911 you will have Robert O', Neill, who is the man who killed Osama bin Laden. We'll be doing podcasts with him on 9 11. And then there's going to be another one of whistleblower in 2000 when he called that SSRIs. And he'll be coming out, I think on Tuesday or Wednesday. And by the way, Robert o', Neill, if you guys wanted to manect him, he's officially on manect. You can actually manect Robert o' Neal on Manect as well. That'll be next week. And then we will do a home team podcast Friday out of Orlando. So you're not going to get any of this stuff between next between now next Friday. Those of you guys that are coming to the Vault, I can't wait to see you for some of you guys don't have the gear yet. While you're going to the Vault, go to the vtmerch.com get your gear, get the future looks bright. Come in with your polos. Come in with your dress shirts. You still have a chance to get it. There's going to be a lot of surprises at the Vault. Cannot wait to see all there. Take care. God bless everybody. Have a great weekend. Bye Bye. Bundle and safe With Expedia, you were made to follow your favorite band and from the front row we were made to quietly save you. More Expedia made to travel savings vary and subject to availability. Flight inclusive packages are at all protected. Bye.