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I think plastics are the coming storm for humans. It looks like a condom.
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B
So we're drinking water out of a condom.
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This is also a condom. On the inside, you can use sodium hydroxide and dissolve the aluminum. And there's a condom on the inside of this can. They can carry like a Trojan horse. Bpa, endocrine disruptor. Reducing our exposure to plastic is probably one of the single most important things we could do in our lives.
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Charles Barkley. He's lost 85 pounds. Is he better off using GLP1?
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One of the first issues I have with these GLPs is you're probably on them for life. The thing about these medications is they can increase suicidality. When you mess with neurotransmitters in the brain, it's very powerful.
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B
When he's about to take all these pills in his mouth, I held it, I took the bottles away from him. He's like, pat, I'm begging you, please, I gotta take it. You don't know how much pain I'm in right now.
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I have seen so many people reverse depression without medications by returning to high quality foods.
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B
Why do we get so fat in America?
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We are eating this tainted food that is full of all these ingredients that no one can pronounce. These food ingredients are literally poisoning our brains.
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B
So you got all these maxing balls. Maxing.
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So if we want to looks max, we just really need to return to the way that humans have eaten. Clavicular. I actually met clavicular. It was just painful. It's definitely hurting him long term. He's not optimizing for longevity or health.
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B
I've never seen this before. Biohacker Brian Johnson makes shocking reveal about his girlfriend's vagina being the top 1%.
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A
I've met Kate and Brian and they basically said, we want to do everything for attention we possibly can. I get it. This is an attention economy. What is Kate doing that's improving her vaginal microbiome? It's not eating garbage food. This is honey from my house. This is not a hallucinogenic honey. I wouldn't do that to you.
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B
Starting to see unicorns.
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They complement the muscle meat.
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B
When do we start eating heart organ testicles that you're talking about? When do we stop eating it? Because in Iran we eat that kind of stuff.
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Exactly. It's a western thing. It's the United States. You know, I went to Tanzania a few years ago and spent time with the Hadza. And they're near Lake Iasi. They're some of the last hunter gatherers. Left on the planet. It's like. It's like something out of a different video game, you know, they're literally living in these thatched huts. They make their own bows and arrows. I got to hunt with them. And we went and we hunted a baboon, and they killed a baboon. And they have to kill these baboons because this is all they have to eat. And the first thing we do when they kill the baboons successfully with their own hands and the arrows and knives that they've essentially made themselves is you throw it on the fire, you burn off the hair, and we eat the organs. They're passing around liver, pancreas, kidneys, heart. They're eating the whole thing the next morning, raw.
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B
They're cooking.
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They're cooking it, cooking it on the fire. The next morning, the hunter whose blow kind of killed the baboon offers me the head. It's like the scene. You ever seen that movie Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, where they crack open them up. It was like that. It was a cooked baboon brain. He goes, here, you want some? And this is the moment, Pat. This is like the decision point. You're like, okay, yes, I'm doing it. I'm in Tanzania with a Hadza tribesmen. I'm eating baboons.
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B
Was anything disgusting?
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I think it was all amazing.
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B
Okay, yeah.
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But I mean, for a lot of us, it defends our western sensibilities. So I think in the last, probably a hundred years, especially in the west, in the United States specifically, so many ethnic traditions like yours eat the organs,
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B
but we've totally forgotten it was normal for us. Like, when we came here. I'm like. I'm surprised. More don't. We ate liver, like, raw. Like I was telling you, we would go to this place in Iran called the. And it was up in the mountains in Iran, and you'd go there, and they would take the liver and they would cook it raw, 10, 15 seconds, and then put it in the bread, take it out, put some greens, put some salt. You'd eat it. It was so good. Till today, one of my favorite things to eat is liver. And I can't find many people that like eating liver.
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It's an acquired taste, and we've lost it. But then you look at the nutrient profile. It's like a multivitamin. And then liver and the organs contain unique peptides. Everybody's talking about peptides today. Organs contain peptides. Animal foods contain peptides, small protein fragments that have biological roles in humans. We've just we've forgotten this.
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B
Well, here's my concern. Every time you come here, I worry. It creates anxiety for about two weeks for me when I know I'm doing a podcast with you and here's why. Last time you were here, January 22, 2025 is the last time I had Celsius. And I would drink 2 Celsius a day. This is probably not a good video. We can't say this is brought to you by Celsius. This is not brought to you by Celsius. Right. And Celsius actually pays very good sponsorship money to a lot of it. It tastes so good. You're like, pat, this is horrible for you. Last time I had it. And so this time I got a lot of different props that I brought.
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A
I got some props, too.
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B
Yeah, I know you got props. I got some stuff that the girls brought.
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A
Okay.
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B
Popular drinks that I want to get your thoughts in. Zen. You know, we got the vape, we got all this plastic. Should we drink water out of these guys? The Fiji water I know we offered you. Fiji turned it down.
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Turn it down.
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B
Already rejected us. We got all this stuff. We'll get into this stuff. Yeah, yeah. But the first I want to start off with you is the following. The other day, I'm watching a. I was watching either playoff game or something, and then I saw Barkley come up and Barkley was doing a GLP1 commercial, like Charles Barkley. I've seen the Serena Williams one for only $10 or whatever. So it's more of a money ad that she does, and she's lost a lot of weight. But then I saw Barkley and I saw the numbers reported that Barkley had lost. He went from 360 pounds to weighing 200 and 352 pounds to 267. He's lost 85 pounds using this product on Mountjaro, which is like a form of a GLP1. Okay. And he says, I know GLP1s are effective. I witnessed it myself. The difficult part was obtaining medication. He wants to get back to his playing days, which, by the way, he looks great. He's 250. He's 267 pounds today. Playing days was 250. And then I had Humberto and Rob pull up some stats on obesity and being overweight. And I saw the video you posted of New York back in 1920 versus today. Rob, I don't know if you have that clip or not. And this is such a great video of comparing what America looked like in 19. Well, it's overlapping because he's speaking on it. So if you can find another one, Rob, we'll show it. It's just 19. You type in on X New York. 1920 versus today. And the numbers we pulled up is, in 1920, only 3% of Americans were obese. Today it's 41%. Why did we get so fat in America?
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It's over 70% obese and overweight, Pat. Over 70% obese and overweight.
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B
That's according to CDC, by the way. That number you were given.
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That's according to cdc. Cdc. And so this is crazy. And it's so interesting because I think that more than anything, the GLP1 conversation, Manjaro is a. Is a dual agonist. So it's GLP1 and GIP. It's also called tirzepatide. These medications work, but the fact that they work so well, I think is a clarion call to this idea that, like, how did we get so fat? This question you're asking, they partially ameliorate a problem that did not exist 100 years ago. You look at New York, we were not fat. And so I think that this is a clear indication that our food supply has just become so badly tainted. And Oprah's talked about this. She had a very viral clip on the View. I think it was from 2024 or 2025, where she said, I have the fat gene, which is not true. There's no such thing as a fat gene. But what there is is something called food noise, this idea. And I think Oprah, poor Oprah, didn't realize this. She used to promote Weight Watchers, right? So she was promoting low quality food in low calorie packets. When we are eating this tainted food that is full of all these ingredients that no one can pronounce you, your great grandmother, my great grandmother wouldn't recognize these food ingredients. These food ingredients are literally poisoning our brains. The satiety centers in the hypothalamus of our brains, and we cannot stop eating. And so in some ways, these GLP1s, Mounjaro, Ozempic, and Retatrutide, which is a triple agonist, they sort of address this food noise, the poisoning of our brains by the food. But there are things to think about here. There are potential downsides to these medications also. But for me, the biggest thing this conversation around Ozempic, Mounjaro and Retatrutide says is how did we get so poisoned by our food? If we need a medication to actually calm the food noise to partially reverse the complete destruction of our satiety that these engineered foods have caused. Can't we just talk about going back to simple foods? Because in 19, in the early 1900s, most of what we ate were single ingredient foods. We talked about this on the last podcast. What are single ingredient foods? Beef, chicken, fish, pork. Right. Lettuce, apples, celery. These are singlet cheese, milk. These are single ingredient foods. It is virtually impossible to get fat or stay fat eating those foods. It is very. Even if you overeat, it's very difficult to overeat those foods because our body has a programmed satiety mechanism in our brain that is hundreds of thousands of years old. It's very difficult to overeat steak and boiled potatoes. It's very difficult to overeat steak and lettuce. It's very difficult to overeat chicken and avocado. You will get a very clear satiety signal and you're just not interested in eating.
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So then let me ask you this question. I read a book called Ageless man, and I don't know if you've heard of this book, Ageless man, where it talks about in the book that men with lower testosterone is worse for their health than higher testosterone. And they did a test on rats or, I don't know, mouse certain testing they did giving them testosterone and seeing how they would. And they would live longer. Ageless men. So the argument then becomes, you're better off being on TRT than not being on trt. Okay, there's a benefit to it. Some people are now sitting there saying, okay, Charles Barkley, he's been dealing with weight for a while. Is he healthier? Continuing to live his lifestyle doesn't change anything. He stays at 352, doesn't use GLP1, or is he better off using GLP1? Drop into 267, he's carrying 85 pounds less fat. What's a better decision for a guy like Barkley?
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It's almost certainly using the GLP1.
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So in this case, it's a good case to use it.
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It's a good case to use it, provided that Charles won't change his diet. Right. And we can talk about the long term consequences of using that GLP1 potentially. But yeah, there is a use case for these medications. Unquestionably in some ways, like I said, they probably reverse or help address the poisoning of our brains that's been going on by our food system. The first choice that I would have for Charles is can we Just get you a chef to cook you delicious food that single.
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B
Can afford that.
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Yeah. To get you single ingredient foods all the time. Because that I believe is going to lead to better long term weight loss. One of the first issues I have with these GLP is you're probably on them for life. So if Charles stops the GLP1, the research is pretty clear that he's going to regain the weight within one to two years, almost all of it, and sometimes more. And there's. Because when you use the GLP1s, there are changes that happen in the body that don't catch up to the changes that you're making with food. So when you're using a GLP1, it creates satiety. There are some potentially beneficial metabolic effects of these medications. But when you stop it, you're going to go back to eating the food you were eating before because you haven't made lifestyle changes, you haven't developed discipline, you haven't understood how to make the right food choices. And your eating habits are going to outpace your metabolism because these GLPs will slow down your metabolism because you're eating less food. And so you've lost fat. You've also lost muscle mass. Muscle mass is positive for our metabolism. Muscle mass burns calories. When we're sitting here having a podcast, that's what you want. And so if you're on a GLP1, you have to be very careful. You don't lose too much muscle mass by continuing to exercise, continuing to eat enough protein. But when you stop it, the eating habits that you never fixed will outpace the metabolism that's been changed by the glp. There's a study that came out saying that when you stop a GLP1, you regain the weight four times faster than if you stopped exercise four times faster. So this is the problem. And so it's great for the pharmaceutical companies, I think that they say Manjaro Tirzepatide is the number one selling drug in the world now.
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B
Wow.
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And I think people are suggesting that retatrutide, which is the triple agonist, it's not FDA cleared yet, but probably will obtain FDA clearance in 2027, will be the best selling drug in the world almost immediately. And so here we are with very widely used drugs that people may need to be on for life to maintain the, quote, benefits. That's a little concerning because people run into GI side effects, people can run into other side effects, ocular side effects. And then what do you do if you cannot continue the discontinuation Rate of these drugs is not insignificant because people do run into side effects. So is it a short term fix? Potentially. Does it have side effects? Yes, they're fairly safe drugs. On balance, they're not perfect. They're fairly safe. But you are. I want people to understand that when you take these drugs, you are essentially committing yourself to a lifelong use of the drug, which is always a little bit concerning for us. Right. And there is another way, which is like we said, humans have eaten single ingredient foods or foods that your great grandmother would recognize the label for hundreds of thousands of years. Try getting fat on chicken breast and avocado. Doesn't happen.
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Regular food. But that's boring, right? That's slow, that's. Come on, Paul. I don't have the time for that. You know, I would much rather take the shortcut. 10 million people, according to JPMorgan Chase are using GLP1s 2025. They're guesstimating it's going to be 25 million by 2030 four years from now. And then on top of that, the cost is what, twelve hundred dollars a month they say, give or take. If you have insurance, of course, it's a different story. But $1200. So the average person to do $1200 a month and you'll need to be on it for, you know, depending. Let's just say it's a year program, that's $15,000. That's a, that's a big cost to a lot of different people. So some of these insurance companies are now adding it to it. So then the question becomes, what is it? Is it really. When I talk to people who use it, all it does is it tells you're not hungry. Is that really all it does?
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It does a few more things than that. It does.
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It's a diabetes drug. It's not like it was.
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It's also a diabetes drug. They're also using it for addictions. There's. It's being studied for addictions, which is a very interesting sort of sidebar, because the GLP1 receptors do occur in the pleasure pathways in the brain. So there's a lot of complex names here. Vta, ventral tegmental area, Nucleus accumbens. These are the pleasure pathways in our brain that are activated with nicotine, with alcohol, with romance, sex, learning. And so I think that the next use we'll see for these medications is with addictions. But then there's another sort of corollary conversation, and this is perhaps not the most important part of the GLP1 conversation. But it is relevant for some people that is it possible that if you use these medications it will affect your ability to make new relationships fall in love and desire? And this is, at this point, it's purely anecdotal, but the conversations on X are very compelling.
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B
What does that mean? What does that have to do with relationships?
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Well, because if you're, if you're overstimulating, so GLP1 agonist, if you're overstimulating the GLP1 receptors in the pleasure pathways in the brain, the VTA, the nucleus accumbens, are you blunting your ability? Just like they're going to be effective for addictions, they sort of decrease the food reward and they're going to decrease the reward of alcohol, they decrease the reward of smoking and potentially other addictive drugs. Are they going to decrease the normal pleasure pathways that are activated when you fall in love with someone, when you have desire? This is a concern. Again, I don't think this is the primary conversation, but this is the corollary conversation of maybe it's not a good thing to be on these for the rest of our lives. And we don't know, I want to be very clear, we don't know the answer to this.
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B
But if you look at 2005, right, if I'm not mistaken, yeah. GLP1's first one that was FDA approved was sold in 2005. So we only have 20 years of data on this.
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That's for Ozempic, for semaglutide. And Manjaro is very more recent. And retatrutide has never been approved by the fda. So we don't even have long term data on retatrutide.
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B
Is it on track to get it is.
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It is 2027, yes. So for someone like Charles Barkley, great example, probably on balance, these are positive if he can't make lifestyle changes. But what about the millions of young men who are at 15% body fat and could just eat single ingredient foods, but are going to take retatrutide or tirzepatide to get down to 11% to look shredded? Is it going to affect relationships? Is it going to affect how we relate to people? It's a really compelling question because neurobiological mechanisms in our brain are there. And if you look on X, there are a lot of these threads. People are saying, I was at a conversation, I just saw it last night, you can pull it up on X. I don't know the account. I think it's Tyler Durden's account. It's this guy. This is, you know, this eponymous account from. From Fight Club. And he was just saying. I was at dinner the other day and people were saying that they're. That they're falling out of love on Ozempic and that it was like over a million impressions or something. It was really interesting that when you put that out there, people are actually saying, this happened to me. Now again, there are lots of cases where that up.
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B
I'm actually curious to know the comments section on what they said. If you, if you find that. Was that recently?
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I just saw it last night. So it's got to be pretty recent on his account. We can find it. I would say, like, yeah, search for Tyler Durden. Like Falling out of love GLP1s or something.
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Yeah, but keep going. Yeah, tracking. So Falling out of Love.
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And there's been a. There's been a lot of. There's been a lot of theorizing around this just because of these neurobiological preserved pathways in the brain. So who knows here, right? Who knows? But I think that my point with Ozempic Manjaro Tirzepatide is there is another way. Right? And I wish I could have told this to Oprah 15, 20 years ago. There is another way to do this. And it goes back to something that's not sexy, that's a little bit easier, that requires discipline, but that works longer term, which is, hey, simple single ingredient foods. This is the way. Yes.
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B
Hearing some interesting stories from friends who have friends taking peptides falling completely out of love overnight with wives and partners. Go a little bit lower. You're not permitted to comment this post. If you took failed the COVID IQ test, the rule of 5.5 billion. Cheers. Go lower. Let's see if people are saying it. This stem. Keep going lower. Yeah, that's interesting to be thinking about.
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That kills enjoyment and bipeptides. He's talking about GLP1s here because those are the peptides that are affecting the enjoyment in the ventral tegmental area, the nucleus accumbens. And it's something we don't. We don't know for sure, but it's. It's very.
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B
Could it. Could it be that? It's because, you know, every time there's something, there's fear porn. Could it be the fact that you're on GLP1s? If you're £350 and you don't make a lot of money and you're not that successful, odds are your wife is probably close to £350. Type of a person. I don't know if I'm being a prick here. I'm just saying, statistically, unless if you're Charles Barkley, you're famous, you're going to get any girl you want for the most part. But odds are you're not dating somebody as attractive as you. So then all of a sudden, you get on GLP once and Ozembic and you lose 50, 60, 70 pounds. And let's just say you were 220, now you're at 150. You look amazing. People are now looking at you. Maybe it's not that you're falling out of love with your spouse. Maybe you now have options you didn't have before.
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It's very possible. And there are. There certainly are situations where both people in the relationship get on these medications. Both people become more attractive, and probably the relationship gets better. But I just think it's a really interesting biological mechanism in the brain with no neurological pathways. And you can look it up, too. These medications do have effects for addiction. So there's something going on.
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B
Oh, no question about pleasure pathway. No question about that.
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There's no, there's no biological free launch pad. And that's just a little note of caution that I want to add to these. A little asterisk I want to add to these medications. No biological free lunch. When people are saying retatrutide is the best thing since sliced bread, I'm thinking, just wait, just wait. Because there's no biological free lunch.
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B
Well, we'll see that part. And what's going to happen, the reality of it is in us, I think the Ozempic product by itself, plus the diabetes combined together is a 40 to an $80 billion industry right now. And they're saying it's going to get to 100 to 200 billion dollars by 2030, 2035. So when you see a number like that, this brings me up to the next question. Last year, big Pharma spent some $7 billion on advertising. And one of the question conversations you and I had, as well as I had with Bobby, was with Maha. And when he would get in that. There you go, $7 billion in 2025. Big Pharma, that's a lot of money. So that money is going to media, you know, channels, cnn, everybody's get Fox, NBC, they're all getting a part of that money. But one of the things we discussed was there's only two countries in the world that allow this, it's us and New Zealand, that, you know, Maha would possibly work on. Eliminating big Pharma from being able to advertise on tv. How much progress have you guys made on that?
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I don't think there's been much progress on that, unfortunately.
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B
Why do you think that is?
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Well, you talked about it before. Because if you eliminate the pharmaceutical ad revenue from television stations, you're gonna see all the television stations collapse. We can look up the amount of money spent by. We're looking at it right now, but how much of any television station, any news channel is pharmaceutical ads? It's a lot.
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B
I started off with the first story being Barclay because I saw it on an ad.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So if I don't see that on ad, I don't know if I know that Barclay lost weight. What does it say, Rob?
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13.1% of all national linear TV ad spends were from big pharma in Q3. 13% pharma spending grew to 16% by 2025. Yeah, well, that's. Yeah, it's a big. It's a big deal. A lot of ads.
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B
What's the likelihood that they'll get it done or. This is something that's probably not going to get done.
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A
I don't see it happening.
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B
Okay.
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It's just. It's too close to home, you know, it's too close to home. I can't see it. The lobby is too strong. And again, I would love to see it happen. A lot of people watch television. A lot of people are influenced by these ads. I don't see it happening, unfortunately.
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B
Okay, let me ask you this next question. So for me, when I go through this, I ask myself, what's next? Right? Because you see drugs that came out that were revolutionary, that we use, GLP, one being one of them, and that came out in 2005. Then you go look at when hair transplant became a thing. And that was back in 19, I want to say 1960s, if I'm not mistaken. Let me see this here. Yeah. So you got hair transplant, 1960s, first performed in 1950 by Dr. Norman, Norman R. And Trike. That was the first one we ever did. Breast implants since 1962. Okay. First silicone implants was in 1962. Birth control pills, May 9, 1960. FDA approved. A lot of people say that was one of the worst things that we did with birth control pills. You got Viagras March 27, 1998. You know, a lot of happy campers because of that one. Okay. But they also say there's some side effects with that. And he got the GLP ones April 2005. What do you think is going to be the next big thing? That hasn't happened yet in terms of advances, advances or even, you know, pleasure. Quick fix. Because remember Viagra? That was like a guys who were making a kill and just selling that pill when it first came out. Pharmaceutical salespeople were all going to, you know, saying, hey, I want to be able to sell that product. I hear guys are making 2, 3, $400,000 a year. It was such an easy product to sell to doctors. What do you think could be the next thing? Next big thing.
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A
Hmm.
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B
We're becoming more vain. Social media is not going away. We want to look good, you know, we want to look sexy. We want to look appealing. Zootopia 2 has come home to Disney. Let's go get ready for a new case.
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We're going to crack this case and prove we're victorious partners of all time.
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B
New friends you are are Gary Desnick
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A
and your last name Desnake.
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B
Dream Team Habitats.
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A
Zootopia has a secret reptile population.
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B
You can watch the record breaking phenomenon at home. You're clearly working at Zootopia 2. Now available on Disney Plus. Rated PG.
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A
This is a tough one, Pat. I don't know here, you know, I mean peptides and GOPs. GOPs are a peptide. But I think we've kind of already talked about this. But I think peptides and GLPs are the next big thing. So I think from GLP is we have to say it's kind of already here is the peptides. You know, now we've got the GNRH secretogs, we've got BPC157, you got the, the other classes of peptides that people are using also. I think that's, that's already here, that's going to happen as well. And that just like the GLP has some pretty significant contingencies to, to think about.
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B
But is it insecurities? Because you got guys who have hair issues and guys who don't have hair issues and there's a massive insecurity that causes people to say, let me go fix my hair. And you can go to Turkey, do it for whatever, four to six thousand dollars or you can do it here for 25 to 30 thousand dollars. The other day my son, both of them are like, dad, I don't know if you know or not. What's that buddy, you're going bald here. And they take a video, they're like, look at this. I can see. I said buddy, take that camera off my head right now. You know, they're kind of going through the whole thing. Boys are very different. They have no filters. Insecurity breast implants. Right. Some people in 60s. 1962. Rob, how old was Marilyn Monroe in 1962? I wonder what was, what year was Marilyn Monroe born? She was born in 20. Oh, she died in 62. Interesting. The year she died, they came up with breast implants. So maybe everybody wanted to be, you know, kind of like her. So insecurities with birth control, maybe that's more like a risk. Allow me to be reckless and have sex without having anything to worry about. Viagra. There's an element of insecurity. GLP1s weight.
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Botox is already huge, you know, massive.
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B
It's a massive number by the way, on Botox.
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It's a big number and there's some, some really interesting stuff with Botox. There's a clip circulating from Euphoria season three. I don't watch this, but I saw it. Maybe we can pull it up. It's two characters. It's. It. It's at one of the characters weddings and there's this really interesting juxtaposition of one. One actress has a large amount of Botox in her face and the other actress, Sydney Sweeney, doesn't have as much Botox. And so that's a clip where they're at. The Sydney Sweeney's character is at her wedding and this. These two characters are arguing and the one character with Botox on her face is saying we paid for our kids college fund. And you can see her getting very angry and her face isn't moving at all. And then Sydney Sweeney says, what does that have to do with me? And you can see her furrowing her brow and her, you know, her. The muscles of the glabellar muscles in the forehead. It's very interesting because we'll find the clip. It's out there on X for sure. It's just, it's at her wedding, you know, and the one actress. But what's interesting about this for me is wedding Botox.
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See if it comes up if you
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type in Botox is that. I found a recent study and I posted about this on X that where you inject the Botox in your face matters. So there's some studies that.
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B
What are you watching, Rob?
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There's some studies that show it's like some.
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B
The middle of the podcast he goes on pornhub.
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A
There's some studies that show that if you inject the frown lines with Botox it improves depression scores. So there's something called this theory of embodied emotions that when we feel an emotion, whether it's sadness or happiness or other emotions that I'll get to in a moment, our face moves, and our face moving with these emotions is integral to actually feeling the emotion. So if you inject the frown lines in the face, or maybe these 11s here in the middle of your face. I've never had any Botox, but, you know, I look at my face and I think, should I get this? And then I read this study. If you inject the frown lines or you inject the places in your face that are being expressed when you have negative emotions, it actually improves depression scores. But if you inject the parts of your face, like the laugh lines, it worsens depression scores, because you can't. The theory would be you can't express the happiness as much. And so there was a recent study that looked at that, and then it also looked at. And again, it's one study, and I think it was a small study of 36 women, but there was a seeming. And finding that when they injected certain areas of the face, women reported less orgasm intensity because you couldn't see if
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B
they're enjoying it or not.
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Well, because they can't express the enjoyment on their face when they're having the orgasm because you're paralyzing the facial muscles. So moving your face. Yes, this is exactly it. So this is the. The. They use something called, like, the sexual satisfaction score. And so they had lower orgasm intensity and enjoyment because you can't. You need to move your face to embody an emotion. It's interesting. Again, it's one study, but there's a lot of people getting Botox. And I thought that clip from Euphoria was fascinating because you can see this woman getting very angry and her face isn't moving. As you and I are talking to each other, I'm looking at your face. There's a complex interplay. Is Pat angry? Is he sad? Is he happy? Does he like what I'm saying? Think about the bonding that goes on between a mother and child.
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No question.
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Right. Think about the complex emotional dance that happens between two people during courtship. And think about the way that paralyzing too much of your face could affect this. Again, I'm not saying comedians must hate this. Yeah.
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B
If you go to, like, comedy club in, like, you know, Highland Park, Dallas, and everybody's on Botox, and you're like, are these people enjoying it or not? You just can't tell because they're not smiling.
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You can't tell. And so look, there's ways, apparently. Again, I've never had any Botox, but there's ways that you can do baby Botox and maybe not paralyze it or be careful with the muscles. But, you know, you say, what's next? And I'm thinking, well, at least what's now like. I just think there's a word of caution with Botox. And I know women and men want to look young and look, I've got some lines across my forehead that I'm self conscious about, but do I want to affect my ability to feel an emotion and do I want to affect my ability to bond with someone, potentially my future kids? That's. That's something to consider.
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B
No, I mean, listen, you look at me, you can see freeways on my forehead. You see the stuff in the middle of my.
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A
That's important.
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B
I love it, I love it. But you know, it is a big business. When you look at Botox, the numbers on it is staggering on how many people are using it. I think it was 85% of people that use. Do we have the numbers on that with Botox, Rob? It's a very, very high number on what percentage are women and how much money is being spent in it and what we're doing with that. Yeah, right there. 85 to 94% of all Botox cosmetic procedures are performed on women. With millions receiving injections annually in the US while only 1% total US population gets Botox. Survey indicate up to 42% of women have had the treatment. The highest usage in among women 40 to 54, though preventative Botox is surging in those under 40.
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Preventative Botox, this is preventative Botox. It's women in their 20s and 30s who say, I don't want to get a wrinkle, so I'm gonna paralyze the muscles now. They don't have a wrinkle they're trying to get rid of. They're trying to prevent wrinkles. This is, I mean, it's kind of scary, you know, it's. You think? I mean, there's women in their 20s now getting Botox for sure. For sure.
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B
That's. That's wild when you think about the space we're getting into. But let's talk about this. So what else it can get into? Because I asked the question, I said, okay, so what are some things that people would want to see happen next that could be the next big phenomenon? I'm sure you've seen the whole, you know, insecurity with heights, right? Yeah. With a leg lengthening surgery. Surgery involves deliberately breaking the bone, then slowly lengthening it to use an internal rod. And the bone lengthens one millimeter per day. The lengthening phase takes about three to four months, and approximately six months later, you could grow six inches in height. They're doing it here for 125,000 to $135,000, but if you want to go do it in, you know, Europe or different places, you can do for 25 to $30,000. And some people that take it may never be able to run again. Yeah, here's one guy.
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A
Oh, my God.
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B
Six inches for height.
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A
This gets into, like, looks maxing.
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B
This gets into looks maxing. But height is another one of those things, right?
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
You know, hey, I'll make more money if I'm above 6ft tall. If I'm 5, 6, I add 6 inches. I'm 5, 11, 6ft tall. Do you see this thing getting bigger? Or you think this is a little bit more limited than the other?
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This is pretty tough because I think people are not going to do this. What was the movie that just came out? I think it was called I'll Think of it over the course. There was a character in this movie. It was. Pedro Pascal was in this movie, and his character in the movie had the surgery. I'll think of the movie. Anyway, it's. Yeah, it's. It's scary because the materialists. So it's a romantic movie. I watched it on a plane. It's Pedro Pascal, Dakota Johnson, and, you know, there. There's, like, this love triangle between Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans, and Pedro Pascal. And Pedro Pascal.
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B
One is them. One of them is a rich one. The other one's a waiter. Is this the one? Yes, I got it.
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Yeah. And so Pedro Pascal comes from a very successful family. He's in New York. He's an entrepreneur. He does private equity or something, and he's had the surgery. Anyway, it comes up in the movie. It's interesting to me. I think this is too far. This is a bridge too far for most people. You can't run. What? You know, what if you fall? You think about this in the UFC, Conor McGregor, Anderson Silva, the guys who break their tibia when they kick someone in the leg and then they have a plate, and they're sort of hampered for the rest of their life. They can't kick things. I mean, not everybody wants to kick things, but, you know, if you want to do intense sports, like, what if you want to move in your life, you're really limiting what you can do with these surgeries. So I don't know about this. It's pretty crazy that people are actually doing this. I mean the looks, maxing stuff goes crazy. People bone smashing, jaw surgeries, implants. The thing I want to say about height is that there's compelling evidence that what you feed children during their growing years can affect height. Obviously the genetics have a factor. You're tall, your wife's height, these kind of things, these will affect your children's height. But we see this across the world. Height in both men and women is correlated with nutrition and correlated with the consumption of animal products and specifically vitamin K2. So vitamin K2 is a form of vitamin K that occurs in animal foods. It's in things like cheeses or full fat, milk, meat, liver. We talked about butter. This is vitamin K2. And there is compelling evidence that giving children enough vitamin K2 when they're growing, which means feeding them liver or liver supplements or butter, things that we're afraid of feeding them enough meat will allow them to achieve their maximum potential height.
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K2, vitamin K. Vitamin K2 height.
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Yes, because vitamin K2 is involved in bone turnover and vitamin K2 deficiency appears to cause calcification of the growth plates. So when you have enough vitamin K2, you manage calcium stores in the body properly. And where your body puts calcium as an adult, adequate vitamin K2 is consistently and significantly associated with lower rates of calcific aortic sclerosis. So calcification of the aortic valve and atherosclerosis of our arteries. So vitamin K2 is found in animal foods, cheeses. This is a famous observational study called the Rotterdam Study. Those who had the highest level of K2 in their diet, the highest tertial of vitamin K2 had the lowest, all cause mortality, the lowest atherosclerosis risk and the lowest amounts of of calcific aortic sclerosis, calcification. But when you're growing, you don't want the growth plates to calcify. So you make sure your children are getting enough animal foods, eggs, butter, liver, things like this red meat that we shouldn't be afraid of, that allows the growth plates to not calcify too early and to stunt growth. So look, you know, I'm five nine, I always wish I was five' eleven or six' zero. And I'm thinking, I wish my parents had fed me more eggs or a little better diet. Both my parents were doctors, but I grew up in the low fat craze and you know, we had kind of an Average standard American diet. Who knows? I mean, it's worked out. I mean, I'm fine in the end, but I can't. I can tell you that as a man who is five, nine, I look at men who are six feet or six, one man.
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B
I wish, you know, do you say. Do you still say that?
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A
I. I still think about that. You know, I still think about that. And I even saw this bone surgery. Should I get that? And I thought, no, I couldn't do that. I'm too active. I don't.
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B
You're active, you're running, you're surfing.
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A
Well, I'm kicking. I want to do martial arts.
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B
If you send me videos of stuff you're doing in Costa Rica, surfing, and it's the sickest. Every time you send me the video, I'm in an office. I'm like, this guy is sending me another one of these videos that he's enjoying himself in Costa Rica.
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Anyway, yeah, I want to be able to do those things.
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B
It be tough to do that if you add those.
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I would never do that. But we. Before the podcast, we were talking about children. I have an amazing girlfriend. She's now my fiance, and we want to have kids. And I'm thinking, every time I see this stuff, I think, how do I want to feed these children? And of course, me, we're talking about Paul Saladino. I'm going to feed my kids animal foods. I'm going to feed my kids, you know, meat and liver, either in capsules or in real liver or eggs. And because I want my children to have as much of an ability to live their life as healthy as possible. End of story. So it's interesting stuff.
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B
Yeah. No question. The vitamin K. What was it again?
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A
K2.
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B
Vitamin K2. Interesting thing to look at. You know, it's. One of my kids is like, hey, what am I getting? My growth spurt? I said, buddy, I don't know. I don't know when you're gonna get it. One of them is size 11 and a half feet. The other one is size eight. It's like, am I gonna. How tall you think I'm gonna sell this when it comes down to heights, I don't know how to. What to tell you.
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How old is he?
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B
He's 12. But he.
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A
He's got time.
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B
He's got time. Yeah. But his brother is a giant. He's becoming. He's a big boy. He shakes. His hands are the same size as my hands at 14 years old. Okay, so he's a. He's a big boy. He's getting bigger, but we'll see what will happen. Some of it, you just have to wait. The other part is when you're saying vitamin K2, we got to look into that. Let me ask the look maxing question. So you got all these maxing, right balls, maxing looks, maxing. You got people talking about go lay down and you know, naked under the sun. You got hitting this stuff with your jaw and do the jaw surgery because you're going to get better with girls and all this other stuff. What? Which one of these do you say? There's credibility there because it's like put ice on your testicles. The reason for it is there. The reason why everything drops is because it's trying to cool off. So find a way to cool off. Then you'll read stories about sauna. Sauna is not good because it lowers your sperm count. If you're using sauna too often at a certain temperature, there's so much information that you're like, if you do this, it hurts this, but it helps us. But if you do this, it helps this, but it hurts this. So to the average person, where are you at with this maxing stuff? Some follow the noise. Bloomberg follows the money.
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A
it's interesting. I did a post on X and we're actually going to be filming a video this week. We're in Miami about natural looks, maxing the clavicular. I actually met clavicular last year in Los Angeles before he got more popular. And it was just painful. He was just so, you know, he's been on testosterone since he was 14 or 15 years old. He's 14 years old, maybe 15. Or he's been, he's been on testosterone at large doses, 300 to 400 milligrams a day for so long. And he's taking so many different peptides and medications. And you look at his supplement stack. I did a video about, you know, critiquing his supplement stack. It's definitely hurting him long term. He's not optimizing for longevity or health. He's optimizing for looking a certain way right now. But look, here's what I think about it. Like attractiveness has a biological correlate when we are more healthy, when children are Fed a more nutrient rich diet. When they're fed a better diet, their faces become more wide, their teeth develop more properly. All of what we're seeing, a lot of what we're seeing with looks maxing is trying to counteract the fact that most of us were raised with garbage diets. So again, we're kind of back to parents or future parents. Think about how you're feeding your children or even now as adults. We can affect the way we look with the quality of the way we live our lives. What's one of the easiest ones we can do? Sleep enough totally changes your attractiveness, right? Get enough sleep, which we can talk about. Eat foods with nutrients, and I think plant foods are fine. But we keep coming back to this idea that a lot of the nutrients we need to be optimally fertile have optimal libido and sex drive, optimal hormones, and optimally attractive are found almost exclusively or predominantly in animal foods. And yet we've been told to fear those. So animal foods, especially things like eggs, egg yolks, don't fear the egg yolk, red meat, liver, like we talked about, these are how we start to naturally look smacks. These are the things that widen our jaws. There was a guy in the 1940s named Weston A. Price. You ever heard of him?
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B
No.
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A
He was a dentist. He was kind of like the original explorer, the original Indiana Jones. He went all over the world and studied indigenous populations all over the world. And he took stunning photographs. So he wrote a book called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, which is very dry and very thick. But the photographs. Maybe you guys can pull up some of the photographs of the people he noted all over the world. You see these wide jaws, these perfectly arched palettes, these. Look at, look at this guy's teeth. There's no dentist, right? These are not veneers. There's no tooth whitening. It's a black and white photo. But look at the width of that palette. The average palette used to be 50 millimeters across. Today it's 34 millimeters.
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B
What?
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A
This is almost entirely due to the quality of our food. It's these easily chewable foods. This is juxtaposing, you know, children in developed society eating processed flours and processed sugars with indigenous people. They're not even really brushing their teeth. They're not doing anything crazy. They're not taking tirzepatide. There's no looks, maxing going on here. Those are beautiful humans right on the left side of this photo who are eating traditional diets. This is an incredible juxtaposition that we have forgotten. So if we want to looks, Max, we just really need to return to the way that humans have eaten. And I know that I keep saying this, and maybe it sounds pedestrian, but there's so much wisdom here. Look at this. These are from the 1940s, and this has largely been forgotten. Those palates are wide. This is what's attractive to us. A wide jaw, a big palate, a, you know, a maxillary bone that is fully developed. And this predominantly has to do with the quality of the foods we're eating and actually activating the masseter muscle by chewing foods. When we activate muscles in our jaw, it triggers bone deposition because the muscles have to pull on the bone. So if we are not chewing, right, you think about this. When was the last time you actually chew something that you had to really chew? A lot of us cut the tendons off of our stakes because we don't want to chew. It's too chewy, right? This is. We need this today. All of us. Kids need it. Adults need it. The masseter muscle is so strong, and it pulls on the jaw, and then bone deposition occurs because the bone is pulling. The muscle's pulling on the bone. The bone has to lay down actual, you know, osteoblasts have to lay down bone and lay down matrix because the muscle's pulling on it so hard. So we think about this. It's like all this looks. Maxing has its root in our evolutionary history. You want a mate that's healthy because you want to make healthy children. So it's not. In some ways, you think it's vain. Oh, this woman wants to look good. This guy wants to look good. No, what you're trying to do, what we've forgotten about, is actually signal to a mate that you're healthy. Well, why not actually just try and be healthy rather than faking it, right? So it's pretty interesting to me how.
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B
How deep? Because you. You're in this world. What do you see and how far people are going, What? Some crazy things, people. Because I saw the hammer thing.
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A
The hammer thing.
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B
What else are you seeing?
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A
Well, they're doing jaw implants, right? They're getting all sorts of facial surgeries. Guys will get facial surgeries on their eyes.
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B
We have a guy that does jaw surgeries. It's $70,000. He does. He's the best guy in America, and he's done 2,000 plus of those, and people pay him $70,000 to be able to fix the jaw, to look, you know, the way they want.
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A
It to look strong jaw.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so remember, like, the reason you have the strong jaw is a signal of health and fertility to a potential mate. And you can improve this without a jaw surgery? Yeah. This is crazy.
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B
So what does this do though, when he's hammering it? Is this supposed to do anything?
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A
Yeah, the idea is that if you break the bone, it's going to grow back in a certain way and there might be some truth to this. And let's be honest, why not just get it? Nutritionally, I don't think people should be smashing their face. And it's an indication that we're all sort of eating these easily pre digested soft foods which are poor in nutrients. People are doing crazy stuff. I mean, veneers are common and the thing with veneers that's potentially problematic is that when you have a veneer, can you actually occlude? Right. Can you bite down in the proper way in your jaw? All of this is really important for proper alignment of the jaw, avoidance of temporomandibular joint syndrome. So I think that the problem with this is that, you know, in five to 10 years, a lot of these looks, maxing therapies, especially the stuff that Clavicular is talking about, are just going to lead people to be miserable. He's not going to look great in 10 years.
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B
You know, you don't think he's going to look good in 10 years?
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A
I don't think he's going to look very good in 10 years. He's definitely not going to look good in 20 years. He's only 21 years old or 20 years old. He's so young, you know, and he's, he's definitely changing the trajectory of his health in a negative way. Unquestionably.
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B
Yeah. A lot of people are, a lot of young men, you know, they'll see whoever's the hottest person today and they want to replicate that person. And he is getting a lot of guys that are talking about, you know, I'm speaking out of school today right afterwards Courier day. And I'm going to be asking every time I go to schools and I'm talking to kids, you know, 10 to 18 years old, I want to ask them, who do you guys follow today? Who do you look up to today? And you'd be amazed what names are coming up?
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A
What names come up?
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B
Oh, he's one of the names that comes up in the top five right now. So when you ask him, it's scary. It's. It. Well, it is a trend and a pattern and the parents must take responsibility to educate. It's nothing new. This has always been the case.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, where people were, I mean, at one point, people were worried about, you know, Elvis shaking his hips and hey, don't do that in front of girls. This is not good. It's gonna make, you know, girls want to have sex and all this other stuff. But every, sometimes we exaggerate it. Sometimes it's like a trend and it goes away and sometimes it stays. I don't know if this is going to be a trend or if it's going to stay or not. I know forever. We're going to want to look better and be more attractive to the opposite sex. That's never going away.
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A
So do it the right way, you know, so my hope, and I would love to. This would be really cool. I would love to talk to some of these kids and say, hey, do you want to do this? But also live to be 85 years old and playing with your grandkids. Hey, guys, stop eating junk food. You know, stop drinking Coca Cola. Stop, you know, eating cheetos. Stop eating McDonald's and actually eat real food. You said it earlier in the podcast. We always want the shortcut. There's no free lunch here. But if, if kids, and this is one of the things that makes me the happiest is when I meet a young adult, somebody, you know, every once in a while I'll meet a fan who's 15, 16 years old, often with their parents. But sometimes the 16 year old influence their parents to start thinking about health and they found the other way around. Yeah.
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B
Interesting.
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A
And, and, and that the parents found value and they found some value in my content. I think this 16 year old, this 17 year old, you're so far ahead of the curve if you are thinking about food quality now, if you are thinking about the fact that so much of what we're talking about today on the podcast is achievable with simple, high quality food. And yet what are we bombarded with? It is low quality food which shrinks our jaws, makes us less attractive and makes us obese. There's an easy way. There's. I shouldn't say an easy way. There's an easy way with the cheap shortcuts, and there's a simple, clear way to do it, which is going to require discipline, but it's going to give you this trajectory and knowledge for the rest of your life.
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B
Yeah. So people want to be. What if you were to say people want to be stronger, smarter, more attractive, wealthier, taller, you know, those are some of the things that, you know, we'll see. But also you have your, your friend Brian Johnson, which I know you guys are having dinner tonight. Good friends. Very good friends you guys are. Brian Johnson. An article goes viral for him. So for men, it's about, hey, I wouldn't mind my package being a little bit bigger, right? Guys are always into, hey, penis enlargement, whatever. I've never seen this before. Biohacker Brian Johnson makes shocking reveal about his girlfriend's vagina being the top 1%. If your girlfriend's vagina is in the top 1%, do you want to advertise it? Well, this guy just did, right? So if you go on the bottom, this is so funny. It's like, you know, the article goes into saying he's never shied away from sharing, you know, fame. Biohacker cross a new Rubicon on tmi. While many plebians may boast about their partner's emotional intelligence. Running emotional, you know, Johnson is out there publicly praising his top tier girlfriends. Kato told us privates million followers. He posted a video 48 years old. Just gave Kate six. Good night. This guy's a little weird. Go a little bit lower, Rob. Go a little bit lower. But I want to show the chart that he puts up. Okay? Go a little bit lower. It's as if it's a stock. Okay. And even go a little bit lower. You'll see the, you'll see the chart he posts right there. This is the one. So he gives her a top score because she's in the top 1%. You know, result. Lowest 5% below median is where most women are at. What is he talking about?
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It's, you can see it at the bottom on the x axis. It's the microbiome.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So you have a microbiome in your gut and you and women have a microbiome in their vagina. We also have a microbiome on our skin, in our mouth. All of the orifices of our body have microbiota, have organisms. And so somehow they're saying, oh, when you culture this vaginal flora, it is. They're rating it objectively on this scale. So great. I think that the indication here for people is just that, hey, look, what is Kate doing that's improving her vaginal microbiome? It's not eating garbage food. I've met Kate and Brian and to be fair, they basically said, we want to do everything for attention. We possibly can. I get it. This is an attention economy. That. That is. They said that they Said that.
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B
Well, this is getting a lot of. This story's getting a lot.
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A
It's getting a lot of attention, you know? I mean. And, you know, Brian is very good at virality. Hey, I just had sex with Kate. Let me show you my. My vagal. My. My vagal. My vagus nerve score. Let me show you my whoop score after I had sex with Kate. Hey, I'm gonna inject.
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B
He's tracking his data while he's having sex with Kate.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And what's he looking for? What data is he looking for?
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A
I think he was looking for heart rate variability afterwards, but again, it's like, okay, great. Like, you're getting a lot of attention
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B
saying, is he, like, on a bunch of. I visualize it's having the EKG stuff on his body. Like, he's got these, you know, and then, honey, let's go at us like, hey, I'm ovulating, babe. Let's go. We're gonna have a kid. What's he.
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A
I think he just has a whoop band on, and he's looking at his HRV and, you know, his vagal tone.
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B
Not a lot of wires and all the bedroom. It's gonna get caught in different things.
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A
I wouldn't put it past him, but he's definitely about virality, oftentimes at the expense of decorum, perhaps. So, yeah, this is great. Like, women should be thinking about the quality or the composition of their vaginal microbiome, just like men should be thinking or all of us should be thinking about the composition of our gastrointestinal microbiome. And these are, in large part, driven by the quality of our diet, you know, and so great. Kate's not eating junk food. She has a good microbiome score in her vagina. Awesome. If women see that and they understand how she got it, she says that, please.
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B
If you're in the top 1%, is that better for your mate or is that better for you?
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A
It's probably better for both people because when you're having sex, you're obviously very intimate with the vagina. And we know that when there is vaginal dysbiosis, vaginas are not as much fun to be around, predominantly because of the smell and just that it's not as much fun for women. They can get more infections and things like this. So it's better for both partners to have a healthy microbiome in the vagina, in the mouth. You don't want to kiss someone with bad breath. It's kind of the same thing.
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B
Got it interesting. So it's more about smell about than anything else?
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A
Probably, yes. And for the woman, it's about the propensity for urinary tract infections or the propensity for fungal overgrowth, yeast infections, et cetera. So when you have a healthy microbiome in the vagina, a woman is going to be more resilient against the wrong type of organisms. Fungal or bacterial overgrowing and creating yeast infections, bacterial vaginosis, or urinary tract infection.
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B
So how does that apply to men now? Flip it and put it on men.
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I think that, you know, a man is going to have a skin microbiome, and your skin microbiome is going to affect the woman's vaginal microbiome also. So you want to be healthy. Your skin microbiome is in large part due or connected with your gastrointestinal microbiome. We know that for men and women, the right type of flora in our gut affects the regularity with which we have bowel movements, which is super important for humans and human health. It affects whether we get bloated or gassy, which is no fun. It affects our ability to digest food. It affects systemic inflammation. And so we as humans are sort of this symbiotic organism with the trillions of bacteria, viruses and fungi that live within us. Have you heard the statistic that most scientists now agree that there we are more not human than we are human? There are perhaps, you know, 10 to the 15th cells in the human body. There are probably 10 to the 16th plus organisms in your gut and around you. You are at least an order of magnitude per two orders of magnitude not human. More not human than you are human. This is DNA that is not yours. So we are this sort of symbiotic simulacrum of humans, and we affect those organisms based on how we're moving through our environment and what we're eating. It's pretty interesting.
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It's funny you say this because, you know, when I was single, if you smoke cigarettes, you know, I was dating a beautiful girl, you know, former Miss California type of a girl. But she's, you know, she. One of them smoked. And I couldn't deal with it. I couldn't deal with the smell. Another one was, you know, even if she came out of the shower, there was still a bit of a stench, okay? And I'm not even talking about down there, just here. And I couldn't deal with it. Another one was she. She was great, but she smelled like copper, I would say. Why do you smell like copper? Her Skin would smell like copper.
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A
Huh.
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And, you know, for somebody that's extremely sensitive with scent, you know, so now this. This. But this is not even about what. They all look physically great, but the smell was. I was throwing it off. So now bring you to men. Let's stay on this. Typically, when you talk to guys, they'll talk about, you know, when boys are comfortable and they want to talk to each other, they'll open up. Boom. It's either Ed. They can't get it up, right? It's either. They can get it up, but they come very quickly. Climax very. So stamina is the problem or its size. How do you address each of these for men? When we set out to create a shoe that blends comfort, function, and luxury, we had the choice to make it fast. We had the choice to make it cheap. We chose neither. Instead, we chose Tuscan Italy. We chose true Italian craftsmanship. Each pair touched by 50 skilled hands. We chose patience, spending two years perfecting every detail. And we chose the finest quality at every step. Introducing the future. Looks bright collection. Not rushed. Not disposable. Not ordinary. Rather intentional. Luxurious, Timeless. Tomorrow morning is knocking.
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Stock your fridge now.
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How about a creamy mocha frappuccino drink? Or a sweet vanilla smooth caramel, maybe?
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A
Or a white chocolate mocha. Whichever you choose, delicious coffee awaits.
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Find Starbucks Frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries.
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A
Again, we're kind of back to there's. There's.
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They get a hammer and just hit their throat. Say, hey, listen. No, no, like a.
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A
Let's talk about erectile.
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B
Don't try that. I'm just asking before you guys. I'm worried about.
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Humberto goes and says, let's talk about erectile dysfunction first. So erectile dysfunction. We talked about this earlier in the podcast, directly linked to the absolute collapse of men's testosterone and metabolic health. So if you look at the 1920s pictures that we showed earlier in the podcast of New York, those men, our great grandfathers, our grandfathers, had testosterone that was higher than ours, right? And across the board. So the average testosterone, give or take, from what we can say today, 100 years ago for men in their 30s and 40s was probably in the 800, 800 nanograms per deciliter. Today, it's 400, 450. So we've just collapsed. And I think that that in combination with our overall metabolic health, and this is the quality of the food we're eating, but also our toxic environment, which we can talk about. So we are swimming in an environment that is full of compounds, whether it's bpa, phthalates, pfas, which are forever chemicals or microplastics and pesticides which, and the microplastics can carry all those chemicals into our body. These are endocrine disrupting chemicals. So we are not only eating poor quality food, we are not eating the nutrients needed to have healthy testicles which produce testosterone in the Leydig cells and the Sertoli cells support that. We are also imbibing, putting on our skin, washing our hair, breathing in chemicals, drinking chemicals in cans, in plastic bottles, in plastic cups that are actively disrupting our ability to make these hormones. And then we are ending up with 30 year olds and 40 year old men who have erectile dysfunction. Now then they go to the doctor, the doctor says, hey, your testosterone is 300. Here's testosterone. And to me this is, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with testosterone supplementation, but I think that we are failing to talk to these men about what could be causing this. Because you can correct it, right? So you think about how quickly men get testosterone prescriptions. I saw Jeremy Renner was on a podcast recently saying he's on TRT. His testosterone was 2 to 300. I think he's early 50s.
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More locker. The actor?
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Yeah, the guy who, he's in the Marvel movies, Locker.
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The same guy I'm thinking about. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's phenomenal.
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Yeah. And he.
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So he was, he said he was at 200.
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200 to 300, I think. Yeah, he was on Chris Williamson's podcast talking about peptides and trt.
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What did he do to improve?
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Well, he just took trt, you know, and so for me this is like, okay, the problem is if you go to a doctor. So I know that a lot of men listening to this might be 30s, 40s, 50s. If you go to your doctor and they say, hey, your testosterone is 300, 400, it should be 800. And there is a biological precedent. It's possible to be in your 40s or 50s and have testosterone in the 7 hundreds or 8 hundreds. My testosterone was 860. I don't take anything. I'm 48 years old. So like, and I've met many men who show this. You can. There's nothing about being a man in your 40s, 50s or even 60s that says your testosterone needs to fall off a cliff. But we go to the doctor, we say, hey, my testosterone's 300. They say, here's TRT. Did your doctor check your vitamin D level? Did your doctor check Your zinc level. There's really good evidence that if your zinc level is less than maybe 80, 80 milligrams per deci, I think that's the units it might be. I think it's micrograms per deciliter for the zinc. If your zinc level is less than 80, your testosterone could improve, could double just by zinc supplementation. So make sure you check your zinc level. And men could be supplementing with zinc. Zinc is, of course, found in a very bioavailable form in red meat, animal foods, which we are eating less of now. The thing with zinc, just to put as an asterisk here, is that you don't want to take zinc without copper long term. So if you do 15 milligrams of zinc, you probably need at least one milligram of copper if you're going to take it long term. But so many men could improve their testosterone levels by checking their zinc level and supplementing with a little bit of zinc. Be aware of copper, but the list goes on. What are you exposed to? How many plastics are you ingesting? How many cans are you drinking out of? How many plastic bottles are you drinking out of? How many plastic containers are you cooking your food in? What is your choice?
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You're fully against that, 100% fully against this.
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There's a great clip. We can find it from Joe's podcast, Brogan's podcast, and it's just, it's an anecdote from one of his friends. But he said, and I think this is true, he said, my friend had testosterone that was maybe 300, and he got all the macroplastics out of his life. He significantly decreased plastic exposure and his Testosterone went to 1200. So this is, again, it's just an anecdote, but let's talk about plastic exposure because this is really interesting and you've got a lot of props here for me right now. So I think that for men, baseline, start with a good quality diet. Start with single ingredient foods or foods with ingredient labels your great grandmother would recognize. Eat animal foods, you need those nutrients. You need zinc, you need vitamin D, you need magnesium, you need selenium. These are core nutrients for your testicles to actually work. And then you want to think about minimizing your exposure to endocrine disrupting chemicals. So let's start with cans. The Bloom Pop may not be the best example, but imagine this is a Coca Cola because there's an actual study done at Columbia University where they use something called stimulated Raman scattering to look at nanoplastics. And I want you to guess how many nanoplastics they found in a single can of Coke using this microscopy. Now, nanoplastics are particles of plastics that are less than one micrometer in size. You have microplastics which are larger than a micrometer. Yeah. You want to play this?
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This what?
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Oh, yeah, yeah, we'll talk about this, too. So guess how many microplastics they found in a can of Coke.
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How many?
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3.7 million in a single can of Coke.
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What does that mean to us?
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That's a lot of microplastics. The same study, the same group at Columbia found 250,000 nanoplastics, 15 times more,
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16 times more than just that in
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a plastic bottle, right? So plastic bottles. 250,000 microplastics per liter.
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3.7 million.
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3.7 million in a can of Coke. Now, the numbers just mean that on a daily basis, we are ingesting millions and millions of nanoplastics. And if you look at this, when you actually assay this, we are literally full of these plastic particles. They've been found in every single man that's ever been studied in their testicles. They've been found in brain, ovaries, kidneys. Every organ in our body is full of these particles. They can directly be damaging to our ability to produce hormones. They can directly affect the ability of these cells in our testicles to produce hormones. And these microplastics, these little particles of plastic. And I know I sound doom and gloomy here, but I'm just giving information so people can make better choices. They can carry, like, a Trojan horse, bpa, endocrine disruptor, right? Pfas, forever chemicals. They can carry pesticides that can carry phalates. The plastic particles bring in other chemicals. So reducing our exposure to plastic is probably one of the single most important things we could do in our lives for men or women. And the reason we have this one is because, Pat, what is this cup made out of?
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Paper.
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It's actually lined with plastic.
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This is lined with plastic.
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It's lined with plastic in here because if this were pure paper, the liquid would soak through. So if you soak this paper in water, you can peel away the paper and see the plastic in here. It looks like a condom. I've done this multiple times in my social media.
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It's like a condom.
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It looks like a condom.
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So we're drinking water out of a condom.
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This is also a condom. On the inside, you can use sodium hydroxide and dissolve the aluminum. And there's A condom on the inside of this can. So the reason the coke has so many microplastics is because it's probably acidic. This is going to be a lot of microplastics when you pour your boiling coffee into the paper cup, and it is just exploding plastic particles into your coffee. So we think about this, and I said at the beginning of this podcast that this wasn't going to be easy for you or for anyone. But I think knowledge is power, and you know better. You do better. When you reduce your exposure to plastics, whether it's cans, plastic bottles, paper cups which are lined with plastic, plastic containers that you should never store your food or heat your food in. You will significantly improve your health, probably increase your testosterone, maybe improve your erectile dysfunction without these medications, just because of plastics. I think plastics are the coming storm for humans. This is the storm. This is the thing that we are not seeing. Plastics, in my opinion, I could be wrong. This is the new smoke.
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So now you drink out of a. You brought your own bottle of water. We gave you the bottle of water. You refused it. You brought your own.
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It's in glass.
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Yeah.
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And I just want to mention that there was a study saying, oh, glass. Bottled water has more microplastics than plastic. But if you look at that study carefully, it only looked at large particles, and the numbers they were suggesting were three to four microplastics per liter. So that's what I want to contrast. 3 to 4 microplastics per liter in a. In a glass water bottle versus 3.7. 3.7 million nanoplastics.
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250,000 in this guy.
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Yes.
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Wow.
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So don't think about microplastics and don't.
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What do I do when I go to a restaurant and I say, can I have some water? What do you tell them? Do you. Do you bring your own water when you go to a restaurant?
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No. You could ask for bottled water at a restaurant. This may sound. I think most people would understand, you don't want to drink tap water. Right. Because tap water has other problems, whether it's forever. Tap water is a major source of exposure for humans for forever chemicals, which are the pfas. And forever chemicals do what they say. They kind of stick around in the environment, and they can stick around in our bodies. And these are known endocrine disruptors. So you don't want to be drinking tap water. So you go to a restaurant. You should probably be having a nice dinner and using bottled water. Ask them, what water do you have? Is it in glass? I Don't think many nice restaurants are going to serve you Fijian plastic, but sometimes they do. Make sure it's in glass and it can be sparkling or still. And any. There is variability in the quality of glass bottled waters. I did a study which is on my YouTube channel, and I compared bottled waters. Any bottled water in plastic is going to be better than tap water. So that's what you want to do. But thinking about your water. I think most people could significantly improve their toxin exposure just by putting a reverse osmosis filter under the sink in their house. Four to $600. All the water you drink is going to be very, very clean. Because it's reverse osmosis. You're going to fix all these things.
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Gents, if you're watching this, remember Saladino Paul is on Manect. So you may have some private question you want to ask him. That's the whole purpose of Manect. Go Manect him. He actually responds back to back on Manect and very popular on Manect with the questions guys are asking him. So, Ed, clear simple stuff like I like anything that's very simple. Get rid of plastics is what you're talking about.
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Improve the quality of your foods. And like we said with Jerry Renner, like, okay, did you need trt fix all the other things first?
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He had an injury, right. So he couldn't move. And he had some things that I don't know how many bones he broke. Something happened to the guy, if I'm not mistaken. What happened to him?
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Did he get snowplow accident?
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Oh, yeah. He got into. So he couldn't even move his body to increase his testosterone. So maybe for him he needed it. Yeah. Okay, so we got that part. Stamina. Is this also apply on stamina?
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Yeah, I think, yeah. I think that, you know, stamina is probably an interesting thing. And it's like, I think that when you are more here, it's probably more in your brain. Yeah. And it's like, you know, I will get into a little sexual coaching, guys. Just go slow, breathe, you know, you'll get it back. And I think that when you're sexually healthy, when your hormones are properly aligned, the stamina will come. You know, take your time, don't rush. Women are going to like it when you take your time with them. Nobody wants the rush, you know, and so that's, that's a whole different thing. But take your time, go slow.
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It's called stop watching porn.
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Yes.
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Porn is.
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Yes.
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And one of the best clips I ever saw was Pamela Anderson coaching her son that porn is not really what women want in real life. And she said, I used to. You ever seen this interview with Pamela Anderson? It's a great clip. And I think her son is sitting right next to her while she's saying this. Yes. The second one, we don't need to play it. I think it's a five minute clip. But she says, I would go out on dates and I would see guys were like just throwing me around and hitting me. And I'm like, what are you doing? I'm not enjoying this. So I had to coach my sons that don't have sex like the way you do. And porn, it's a great clip for everybody to watch, but that's a different story. Okay, so that's more mindset Ed is diet size.
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We're kind of back to children, you know. So parents, feed your boys animal foods. Getting them enough of these nutrients will allow for proper full development of the penis size. We know that as boys are entering puberty, DHT levels, so dihydrotestosterone levels, testosterone levels, these are linked to how healthy the boy is in puberty. But who are some of the least healthy, like young men in the world, the ones entering puberty, they're eating Chipotle, they're eating McDonald's, they're eating burger King.
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And so some parents may say, paul, I'm going to call you out on this one. So there's some size incompetent and they don't eat too well, you know what I'm saying? So sometimes it's not the. It's not the necessarily as a kid that some people are born with it, right? A part of it is just genetics and you're born with it, part of it is genetics.
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I think, you know, micropenis is rare. And look, you can't change that.
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A guy in Germany that dealt with that, he had a hard time with that. He wanted to kill everybody in the world. And apparently he was dealing with micropenis issues. I don't know if you're familiar with that guy. Very angry guy.
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I can understand why. I can understand why. It's like, it's rough.
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But, you know, you do with that, though.
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What do you do with that micropen? You can't. You can't do much with micropenis, you know, but like, I think that for
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young boys, just broke so many people's hearts right now. Let's pay very close attention to the retention of the podcast. You already run a YouTube channel. What is even goes like this? Literally, the podcast just Went limp right now.
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But like, you know, micropenis, we're talking like an inch, you know, or not. There are statistics on the average penis size across the world and it's smaller than most men think. You know, I saw this on X, because of course I'm curious, like what's the average penis size? How do I stack up, right? And you know, like the largest average penises in the world were 7 inches. A lot of average penis size across the world is 5ish to 6 inches. So I think a lot of men might think that they are under equipped because they are again watching porn and seeing male porn actors with very large penises. And we can get back to Pamela Anderson here. I think if you talk to women in a, in a very candid way, women will tell you they don't, you don't need to have a 10 inch penis, you don't need to have a Coke bottle thick penis to please a woman. You know, the vagina is very wide after the aperture. So if you look at a female's vagina, the opening of the vagina is more narrow, but within an inch or two the vagina becomes very wide. So what do you, you know, like what, what matters is the length of your penis may not matter as much as you think and probably there is a lot of variability between women and what they like sexually. But if you look at the G spot on a woman, it's within the first inch or two of the vagina. You don't need us, you just gained them back. You don't need an 8 inch penis to hit. And if you've got an 8 inch penis, great man, congratulations. You don't need an 8 inch penis to hit the G spot. What you need is, what you need is to be a present lover. You need to have an emotional connection with the woman. Never thought the podcast would go in this direction, right? And you need to understand women's anatomy. So let me just drop something on the men watching this. The clitoris is, is real. Number one, the clitoris is real. The clitoris is not only the small little organ that you see at the top of the labia, the clitoris goes around the labia, the clitoris extends backward. If you've ever seen a picture of a three dimensional clitoris, it's much larger than what?
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Careful with your search, right? Type in three dimensional picture of a clitoris.
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Yeah.
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Can't believe we're doing this, but we're there folks.
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And so like there's, there's a lot, you know what's interesting is that the labia of a woman's vagina are the same things that form into the scrotum of a man. So. And then the. The clitoris is the same thing that becomes the penis. And so you think about a penis growing. The penis also extends further into a man's body than just what's exterior. So there is a lot more tissue there to work with. And thinking about how to pleasure a woman without watching porn is the way to do this. So I think for the majority of men watching this who think that their penis is not big enough, you're probably wrong. It's just that maybe you're not. You're not using it properly. You're going too quickly, you're watching porn, and if you talk to women, they'll probably tell you it's fine. So that's what I would say. Now, again, I think that your. And this is where we really need to talk to the young people. Like, the quality of the food that young men eat almost certainly will affect optimal penis growth. So, yeah, it's important.
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There you go. Okay, next story here.
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Hopefully we kept him.
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B
This was great. And I think we gain him back. We have a new massive audience. So for those of you guys that want to get graphic, manekt Paul, he'll tell you more about it. If this is something you want to learn about breath, let's talk about bad breath. Okay, so of course, what you put in your mouth and what you eat and what you put in your stomach. So for some people, maybe could it be that you never had breath issues and all of a sudden you start having breath issues, but you didn't change anything about your diet. So one, what causes somebody to have bad breath? Because in business and sales, like, over the years, I've coached a lot of guys that are selling and they'll say, you know, why is my closing ratio so low? Well, quite honestly, you smell. You know, if you go into a family's house and you're talking to them, you're getting close to them, it smells. So one is, they use products to help with their breath. But then the other thing is, what can I do that could be internal, that maybe I'm starting to have bad breath?
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This is microbiome. This is microbiome. So we talked about vaginal microbiome. We talked about gastrointestinal microbiome. The microbiome in your esophagus and your actual mouth, which are connected directly to your stomach, your duodenum, right, your small intestine. This is what creates bad Breath. This is what creates halitosis is the technical term. So how do we fix those things? You fix those things. I sound like a broken record, Pat. But it's important because we keep coming back to this idea. You fix these things with quality of diet so you can change the halitosis in your mouth, in your gut, which is dysbiosis, by eating better quality foods. That is the answer. In the short term, yes. Use breath mints. Mouthwash is interesting, right? Because there's studies showing that if you use mouthwash before you go to the gym, this can affect your ability to gain muscle. Because the bacteria in our mouth produce nitric oxide. Nitric oxide is systemic and is one of the vasodilatory gases compounds in the human body. So I can't say this for sure, but I suspect there might even be evidence that if you use too much mouthwash, if you destroy the microbiome of your.
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B
It's actually bad for you.
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A
It's bad.
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B
Too much mouthwash is bad for you.
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A
It's bad for you. It can affect your vascularity, your ability to dilate. It might even affect erectile.
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B
Help me understand that.
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A
Because the bacteria in our mouth produce nitric oxide natural.
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B
So you need some of that bacteria.
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You need back. The bacteria in your mouth are essential. They're essential.
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B
Do you use mouthwash?
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I do not use mouthwash. I have not used mouthwash. I remember when I was in. Before I went to medical school, I went to PA school and I remember I was in PA school at George Washington University, and I was going to see a girl and I just did the Listerine and just crushed it. Walked out the door. My dad goes, whoa. And I was like, it's fine, it's fine. That's the last time I remember using
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B
mouthwash, you know, so what do you not use? So if I was to go, you know, you go to someone's. I think I saw an article the other day. If you go to a man's bathroom, there's six to eight products. But if you go to woman's side of the bathroom, there's 332 products. Some ridiculous amount of products versus what we have as men. If somebody goes into your bathroom, what products do you have?
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You have. I have a toothbrush that is made from plant fibers, so there's no plastics
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B
toothbrush made from plant fiber.
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A
So it's an electric toothbrush type in that rob. The bristles are made of castor oil
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derivatives, like something like that.
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I think that it's called Surrey, I think is the brand of the toothbrush, I have no affiliation. It's an electric toothbrush. And the bristles are made of plant fibers. Because I don't want plastic toothbrush bristles. Right. And you think about just like microplastics. When you brush your teeth with a plastic bristle toothbrush, you're releasing micro nanoplastics into your body. So there's a toothbrush. Pat. I don't use toothpaste.
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Zero.
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I don't use toothpaste.
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B
And by the way, just to say, I don't smell your breath.
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Thank you.
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B
So. And then you use deodorant.
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I will use deodorant, but I will use a natural deodorant or I will use rubbing alcohol. If you look at deodorants, you have to be very careful.
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Rubbing alcohol instead of deodorant, you can.
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It's the simplest form of.
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Now why do you not use. Because Liver King also wasn't using deodorant. Well, yeah, when he walked in, by the way, I'm not gonna lie to you, three people passed out. It was. Do you remember that day, Rob? Yeah, it was. And we were stuck in a vault because we used to do our podcast in a bank vault. It was a bad situation.
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Bad situation. So look, just like your mouth, the breath, your human smell is also determined by the quality of the food you eat. Your microbiome determines all or has a large influence on all these things. So when I use deodorant, I will use a natural deodorant. I don't want phthalates, I don't want parabens. Again, endocrine disruptors going directly into my body. Your armpits are very. They're very porous. They're very absorbable. You can take a lot of things. I don't want aluminum. So deodorant's fine. Just look for a natural deodorant.
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Give an idea. Like what?
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Ah, what's a good one?
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B
I've been using the same thing for 30 years and I love it. I use Polo Sport, the red one, whatever the Polo Sport is.
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I'm not sure.
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B
I tried a bunch of.
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No, it's not natural.
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No. But what do you suggest that, like, that's what I'll use? Spice.
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You know what is good is primally pure.
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That's what I use. That exact product you have there is what I use.
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So we can look at the ingredients in that and I'm sure there's going to be some scents, some phthalates. At least it's aluminum free. I used to use this 30 years ago. Primally Pure, no affiliation. But this is a great company for deodorant.
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What is it called?
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Primally Pure.
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Primarily pure rub. Yeah.
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So you see there was fragrance on your deodorant. This isn't. This is essentially phthalates. So these are endocrine disrupting chemicals. Yeah. So this Primally Pure is a good deodorant company. No affiliation. But these are good people. I know them.
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B
So, okay, what else? So what else is in the bathroom?
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A
So, so shampoo.
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B
So you know. So you don't have toothpaste. You have that toothbrush?
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A
I don't have toothpaste. I think toothpaste is kind of a scam. If you want to use toothpaste, use a natural toothpaste. I have concerns about fluoride in toothpaste. It's very high and when we look across population data, it's pretty strong signal that very high levels of fluoride exposure. Fluoride exposure are associated with lower IQs. So I'm not going to actively ingest fluoride. I don't need fluoride in toothpaste. There are natural toothpastes out there. But something as simple as a combination of coconut oil and baking soda can be a great toothpaste. When I use toothpaste, that's what I use. Coconut oil, baking soda. Be a little careful. You don't want to brush too hard with the baking soda. You can strip the enamel, but most of the time it's fine. So no deodorant in the shower? I don't use shampoo. I use soap sometimes. And it's a tallow based soap. I don't even know the brand. There's like, you know, soap in your hair. No, no, I use soap on my body. You know.
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B
So you don't wash your hair?
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A
I don't wash my hair with shampoo.
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B
Just rinse it.
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A
Just rinse it? Yep. I mean, I'm in the ocean all the time.
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B
When's the last time you use shampoo?
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A
It's been a long time, Pat.
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B
10 years?
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20.
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B
Stop it.
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20 years? Yeah, 20 years. But you look at most shampoos and you have, you know, scents and again, all the same sort of problems. And there are studies done on women, but I'm sure we'd see the same thing in men. When you simplify your self care regimen, the amount of these endocrine receptive chemicals decrease meaningfully in your body. Assayed through urine. I don't put lotions on my skin. Pat I don't use, I don't know what else people use.
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B
Shaving cream. Do you use shaving cream?
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I don't use shaving cream.
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B
How do you shave?
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A
I use aloe vera gel on my face.
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B
You use aloe vera and then razor. Just any kind of razor?
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Any kind of razor, yep. So I. And you can see, I like to keep the scruff. But yeah, I will use aloe vera on my skin. I don't use, I don't use traditional sunscreens. When I go in the ocean, I use a tallow based sunscreen. I make it myself. You know, it's tallow, it's coconut oil, it's non nano zinc and it's a little bit of beeswax. I just put it on my face for Costa Rican surfing in the morning.
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B
How often do you surf in Costa Rica?
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Every morning.
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B
Every morning?
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Every morning, man.
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B
What time?
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Six.
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B
Every morning?
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Yeah.
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B
And if you, what are you gonna do if you come down here?
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A
I've got a foil board. So a foil board is like a board with a mast and a foil underneath and it kind of goes on the water, it like flies on the water. I might do some paddle boarding. That's a foil board.
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B
Oh, that's cool. I've seen those.
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A
Yeah, I've got a foil board for here.
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B
You don't need waves for that.
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A
You don't need waves for that. There's an electric foil board that I have. Or you can find little swells. You can. Foil board, yeah. I'll do paddle boarding down here.
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B
Have you ever surfed in Costa Rica where you encountered sharks or anything?
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A
I've never seen a shark in Costa Rica. I saw a shark in Australia. There are sharks out there. I've seen small sharks when I was snorkeling on an island called Canoe island which is 32 miles off the coast of Costa Rica, where I live. Small sharks, reef sharks. I've never, never seen a crazy shark. I've gotten stung by a stingray on my foot and that hurt like crazy. So a stingray got me on my ankle and I've been stung by jellyfish that were quite painful. Not all of them are bad, but otherwise nothing. And Costa Rica is amazing. It's pretty safe for surfing, but so you think about it like there's no shampoo in my shower. Maybe there's a bar of tallow soap. We've done videos on this. My bathroom is so boring. There's nothing on the counter, you know, there's nothing on the counter. And so it's just it's not that any of these things are intrinsically bad. It's just that I don't feel like I need them. And if you want to use home care products, read the ingredients, be very careful because they do contain a lot of endocrine disrupting compounds.
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B
I want to ask you this next question. A man who impacted tens of millions of men around the world, Jordan Peterson, whom you and I both know about, and he has dealt with certain challenges. I remember in 2019 when I had an event with him, Kobe, the late Kobe Bryant and President Bush and Billy Bean. That was the event I had at Mirage, I believe. And he was one of the guys that we had there right after the event. That's the last interview that he did. Stories have now come out which his daughter spoken about. Now his wife is openly talking about this. So this is public information. Jordan Peterson's wife says he's in another realm of pain from psychiatric medication injury. If I'm not mistaken, that's your major in school. Was psychiatry an element of it? Right.
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A
I did my residency after medical school in psychiatry. I never really practiced, but I was interested in mental health.
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B
Okay, so if you go a little bit lower with this, Rob, on what we see here. So neurological injury is suffering from medication induced neurological injury. Dr. Peterson is at home with family and helpful companions. He's not talking about going back to work yet feels like if it's another realm of pain. His mornings are brutally painful and discouraging for him. Later, much later in the day, he sometimes feels some relief. The damage tone from the psychiatric medication from over six years ago takes patience, time and loving attention. Go a little bit lower, Rob. It's been well documented his medical struggle with benzos, which there's many different types of benzos that he openly talk, they've talked about his family has previously drawn attention to the severe difficulties he experienced from the withdrawal. So a lot of people are using medication today, a lot of them. Michaela's posted multiple videos to see what's happening while she gives the updates. And so whether it's Xanax, whether it's Klonopin, whether it's Valium, whether it's a Lorezepam, whether it's a lot of this stuff, what have we learned from the side effects of this? This is a public figure that we all follow billions and billions of views online. What do we not know about it yet that we're starting to learn these
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A
benzodiazepine medications commonly prescribed for anxiety, over prescribed, very addictive and very habit forming. They oftentimes, as we're seeing here, can semi, permanently change the structure of the brain. At the level of neurons, they affect a neurotransmitter called GABA, GABAergic transmission in the brain. And this is a, it's generally an inhibitory neurotransmitter. And so the benzodiazepines make the, you know, the ability of this inhibitory neurotransmitter more in the brain. And so it's calming. It's a similar mechanism to alcohol. And if, you know, alcohol is one of the things that you can die from the withdrawal, there are very few things that you can die from withdrawal. You know, somebody comes in, they're addicted to cocaine or they're addicted to meth. They're not going to die when they withdraw. When you stop taking benzodiazepines or alcohol, you can die from the withdrawals because of the way it changes your brain. And so what Jordan appears to be suffering from now, it's unclear to me why he originally started using benzodiazepines in the first place, whether it was anxiety. But they're prescribed far too commonly by physicians. They're just, you know, it's easy to get Xanax, it's easy to get Valium. Xanax is very quick acting, it's very commonly abused. They're prescribed so commonly. And we're back to why are so many people anxious? Why are so many people struggling with these issues? Now, a very close cousin of these medications are things like Ambien, the sleep medications. They're non benzodiazepine sedative hypnotics, but they're also habit forming. So when we're talking about sleep disturbance, which is a cousin of anxiety, we're giving out Ambien to people easily and then it's almost impossible to get off. I have a good friend, a well known woman in the podcast space, and she cannot get off Ambien. She's been on Ambien for years for sleep. And I'm thinking this is not good for you. It's not healthy. We need detox centers to get people off this. But people need to be very careful. Before you go on anxiety medications, a lot has come out recently also about SSRIs or other types of antidepressants, which can be SNRIs or there's dopaminergic mechanisms for the antidepressants. But these medications are hard to get off. Did you see Theo Vaughn on Rogan recently saying, I've been on antidepressants SSRIs. Since I was 22 years old or something.
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B
Stop it.
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A
Yes. And he wants to get off, but he has trouble getting off. And they make him feel free. Flat. Because that's what these medications do. They don't necessarily fix the problem with depression. Depression is not. That's the clip right there.
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B
Play this, Rob. I've not seen this. I. I really like what Theo's been saying lately about God and relationship. Is that the clip right there? I think there's a different one, but
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A
it's from the same episode. Oh, yeah. You can find it. Yeah. So he said he's been on ssris.
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B
Let's just watch that. Rob, if you can put that. I. What do you think is going to happen?
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A
You think we're going to be okay?
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B
I hope so.
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A
Of course.
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B
I don't know.
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A
Do you think about it? I can't believe we went.
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B
This is okay. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. So we're. One of the reasons I didn't practice psychiatry. So just so people understand, everyone goes to the same medical school. I got an MD from the University of Arizona. And then you choose. I had the option to choose internal medicine surgery. At the time, I was really in training, interested in depression and anxiety and neuroinflammation, connections between these medications, these. These pathologies. But I was so disillusioned by what I saw during my four year residency at the University of Washington in psychiatry that I didn't want to practice because what happens is so quickly, we get patients on these medications, whether it's a benzodiazepine for anxiety, whether it's an SSRI for, quote, depression. In the clip, Theo says. Joe says, why'd you get on it? He says, oh, I think I had a bad breakup. You think you had a bad breakup? Right. Which is probably not biological depression. It's just situational stress. And somebody puts you on an SSRI medication.
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B
You remember what pill he said he was taking?
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A
I don't think he said, what pill. Prozac is common. Right. There's other ones, but then people end up on it for a long time, and it makes them feel flat. Depression is not the absence of serotonin in the human body. You can flood the synapses in the brain with serotonin and create flat. This might be the clip to get off of antidepressants completely, man. Feel. So I can have thoughts and actions that.
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B
That, like, make me feel connected to the world.
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A
That makes you feel dead, man.
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B
So why did you take them in the first place?
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A
Because I was in a bad relationship
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B
20 years ago, and I was having a tough day.
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A
It's at school.
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B
And they put.
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A
They gave them to me, and then I never got off. Really? Because when you get off, it's that. I think we talked about this once. It's hard.
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B
Yeah. It makes you more depressed, more up, and you're all imbalanced, and you.
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A
You know, probably you're addicted.
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B
I lost a friend. I lost a friend in 2005 because she couldn't get off of it. May 2, I lost a friend to my best friend, couldn't get off of it. And one day we were. We were at restaurant Shakey's in Glendale, and he went in his car, in his Mustang to get something out of the car. He's about to take all these pills in his mouth. I held it. I took the bottles away from him. He's like, pat, I'm begging you, please, I got to take it. You don't know how much pain I'm in right now. We took him. We put him in a rehab. He was there for 12 days, and then he got out. He was good for a couple weeks, and then, boom, one day I got the call, and he woke up on top of a Bible in his bed and, you know, never woke up. That was the last stage. So a lot of people are dealing with this, and some of them are dealing with it privately, and no one knows about us. At least Theo's dealing with it publicly, so he's going to get help. But.
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A
And the thing about these medications is they can increase suicidality, the very thing you're trying to circumvent with the medications. When you mess with neurotransmitters in the brain, it's. It's very powerful. So do not take this lightly. And so, again, let's go back. What do I believe is causing depression in most people? It's a neuroinflammation. Do you. Have you ever felt the way it feels when you have the flu or you have a sickness? Right. You sometimes feel irritable. You can almost feel that your brain is heavy here, heavy in your brain. It. For me, when I don't sleep well, if I'm stressed, it feels like there's sandpaper around my brain. I'm just irritable. I'm not a good person. And I think. I can't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure that this is the way that someone with profound depression feels every single day of their life. This is neuroinflammation. And you can see that when we have a sickness, the flu, whatever the inflammatory cascade that happens in our human body moves to the brain, it crosses the blood brain barrier. So what I want people to understand is that depression is fixable just like so many of the things we've been talking about. And again, broken record. It starts with the quality of the food you eat. I have seen so many people reverse depression without medications by returning to high quality foods. It's just this is.
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B
Jordan Peterson was eating steak. Remember when he said I only eat steak? So he went to the only steak diet.
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A
He was on the benzos from previously. You know, I think he had. So Jordan and the whole Peterson family is interesting. They have a strong autoimmune predilection in the family. So Jordan had some sort of autoimmune arthropathy. Michaela had this and Jordan. Jordan was the reason I originally started thinking about diet and thought about the carnivore diet because it significantly helped him. But I think he was on these benzodiazepines from what he was suffering from before the carnivore diet.
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B
Do we know, do you, do we know what it was Rob
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A
that Jordan had?
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B
Yeah. To get on benzodiazepine. I don't know if he's told the story.
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A
I don't know if he has either.
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B
Yeah, I don't know if he's told the story and how I do know he went to Russia to be able to deal with it.
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A
That was for the akathisia for the withdrawal. That was part of the withdrawal. So the clear, the clear thing that I want people to understand.
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B
Debilitating anxiety. The anxiety was overture by itself severe autoimmune reaction to food that cause intense physical symptoms including insomnia and sense of impending doom. What does impending doom mean? Like doom and gloom. You think everything's going to be bad.
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A
Yeah. You think something, you think the sea of the sky is falling. So this my suspicion. He says he began 2016-2017. I think Michaela got him on the carnivore diet to help this, that I remember. And it did help it. But then he had the long term side effects from the Benz where he
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B
says on the bottom 2019. The dosage was increased in April of 2019 following a series of family crisis. Mom older B, his wife diagnosed with a rare and terminal form of cancer.
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So he stayed on it and then
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B
he stayed on it.
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A
Yeah. So what's interesting is that, you know, Jordan's diet used to be not great. He was eating the standard American diet. He was having this Psychiatric manifestation of a bad diet. So we've talked about so many manifestations of poor diet in this podcast, whether it's hormonal, erectile dysfunction, depression, obesity. These things are all connected. The quality of the food we eat. This, I feel like this is, you know, I've been doing this work for probably six or seven years now, Pat, and this is really the main message that I've come to believe and that I want to try my best to get out there in the world that whatever you are suffering from, you can fix this very likely. Or improve it significantly by improving the quality of your diet. And we started the podcast talking about GLPs. Great, they might be effective, but what are you missing? You're not fixing your diet. You get on TRT too fast, you're not fixing your diet. You gotta fix the foods you're eating. And what's actually causing depression, anxiety, erectile dysfunction, testosterone, a job, obesity. You fix the root cause.
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B
Okay, so let's deal with this because today, whether it's doom scrolling, right? Or the dopamine, detox and porn, TikTok gaming, social media, overstimulation, we are like all over the place, right? You're like, oh my God, I'm seeing a video. How many likes, how many followers, how many this, how much subscribe? Everything is about there, right? So it creates a lot of anxiety because data's in our face right there. Information's in our face right there. So anxiety, okay, anxiety. Today we have more pressures to show up to the public. Judgment is higher, right? What if this, what if I fail? What if I fall? What if it's embarrassed? What if I get embarrassed and humiliated in front of everybody? What do you tell a Jordan Peterson in 2016 before he's going to get on this, on how to deal with anxiety? What do you tell a 17 year old kid who is comparing himself to his friends and his classmate as is dealing with anxiety? What do you tell a 28 year old that is thinking about getting married and he's in a relationship, but he doesn't know if he's ready to get married and he has so much anxiety thinking about the future. What do you tell these folks?
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Two things. Fix your diet and go in nature. Because I think that when we go into raw nature, everything makes more sense. I think a lot of the symptoms broadly for humans that we're suffering from now are because of the way we've become divorced from nature. It's just when I'm out surfing in Costa Rica and you're in a huge Ocean. Oh, everything makes sense. You cannot stand in front of a mountain at a lake by yourself with people you care about and think, oh, you know, it's just everything starts to make sense. You get perspective.
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B
Tell me why.
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A
I think that as humans, we are connected to nature in ways that very few people are talking about. We're trying to become more and more civilized, right? And I think that we need. We need nature, not. We don't need to live in the woods, you know, you don't need to be a hermit. But we actually need to go into raw nature to keep perspective on our lives. You ever look at the stars and think, whoa, we are so small. When was the last time you saw the stars? Like really saw the stars?
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B
Honestly, when I would walk my two dogs, they both died about six months ago, seven months ago. But whenever I would walk my dogs at 10 o', clock, 11 o' clock at night, because that's when I would walk them, I would always look at the stars. So it's not something I've done the last few months.
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A
It's pretty hard to look at the stars and lack. You just think I'm so small. Whatever I'm worried about right now, I am a human being who apparently has consciousness on a blue rock in the middle of a universe that is massive. Look, there are things that happen in our lives that are stressful, but we are little organisms on a rock in the middle of a massive universe. And I think we forget that. So just take a breath, get perspective, go into nature and realize it's going to be okay. It's going to work out. You got to fix your diet, you got to fix the biochemistry. But I think we need nature to keep us in the right frame. I do this myself. I get worried about this stress or that stress or this business or that. And you think, oh, look at the stars on a really cloudless night somewhere without a lot of light pollution. There are. So you've never seen stars. You're like, oh, my God, this is beautiful. And I think for the human organism, when we do that, when we're in front of a mountain and we can see the grandeur and the star, the scale of what is around us in the world, it does something to our parasympathetic nervous system, this calming nervous system. Even when we look at a horizon, we look at a view. Why are waterfront houses the most expensive? Because they come with calm. They come with parasympathetic nervous system activation. As you're looking at a vista, so much of what we're doing today is right around us. We're looking at a phone, it's right in front of us, the podcast studio. Everything is 15ft away. What if you could see a mile? Your brain completely changes. You just get calm. You know, we're looking at a screen. How often as to, for us as humans do we take into vista? That's grand, you know, and for most of us it's going in nature, driving to an overlook or if you're lucky enough to live in a house with a water view or a mountain view, you've got it. That's why those houses are more expensive, because we're calm there. Because that's what our we need that as humans, you need to see where you are being in environments like this. I mean it's amazing to be here with you on this podcast, but being environments like this, this is stressful for us as humans.
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B
No, I agree, I agree on that part. But give me so those two hacks, both of them are long term thinking. Give me the part about how to control your imagination. I have my own way of doing it. I'm curious to know what you would say when your imagination goes off. Okay, you're about to go into a big business meeting, you're about to give a speech in front of, you know, thousands of people. You're about to do a podcast that, that's a live stream. This is pre recorded is different. You can edit, livestream is you're being judged every second, right? It's just going, going, going. Most people cannot do a live stream because it's too much. You're about to give a speech in front of your 30 students in high school and they're judging you, they're looking at you. What do you tell yourself to control your imagination at that time?
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A
You know, there are breathing techniques in terms of self talk. I think you just have to. When you are, when what you are doing in those situations is aligned with something you're passionate about, I fall back to that personally. You know, before this podcast I'm thinking, oh, I hope, I hope I'm coherent, I hope I'm clear on this podcast. I hope I can deliver value. And what I go back to for myself is, well, you know, I've done the preparation, I've worked for this, I've done my research, you know, I've done my research. It's like when I used to do running races, the hay is in the barn. They would say, you know, you've done the training and if you've done the training and you've done the preparation and you have a real passionate emotional connection to what you're doing. That's going to come through and you're going to be fine. People are going to see that. You know, it's. I think that the. Some of the most meaningful feedback that I get from people in my audience is that they can see passion and intention come through in my content. And that's not something I'm trying to do, but that makes me feel good, Pat. It makes me think, okay, maybe I'm doing it somewhat right. I can always get better. But if people that see my content can tell that I care about the quality of their life, I've been successful. That's the most important thing for me. That if my actual genuine interest in giving people value that will improve the quality of their life comes through, that's. I think I'm always a little bit surprised that people follow, you know, but that. That would probably be my guess for why people find value or like what I do, if they like what I do.
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B
You're very sincere. I'm telling you. I don't know if I told you to. For some, maybe I did. When we were together, my wife would send me videos of you. And you know, which videos? The ones when you go in the market.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And you're like, at Walmart or Target or Whole Foods. And you're like, let me tell you about this. Let's take a look. Let me tell you about this. Let tell you about this. And you would kind of go through it, but, but, but it's something a lot of people deal with today. Anxiety. And I think half the time it's here. It's preparation. It's spending too much time in the future. You know, it's spending too much time. What if this goes wrong? What if that goes wrong? And do you believe in God yourself?
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A
I believe in something bigger than us. I don't know that I call it God, but I believe in something bigger than us.
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B
You meditate? Do you pray?
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A
I do. I. I talk to something bigger than us. Something sometimes I call the universe, whatever. Yeah, I'm sort of ecumenical, perhaps.
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B
Got it. So. So do you think that gives you an element of believing? The future looks bright and it kind of brings a calming feeling to you?
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A
It helps. It definitely helps. And you know, people will sometimes say to me something that kind of hits at a core level, like you. They say, they might say, paul, well, you've been given a gift. And I think, okay, cool. I should be grateful for that. If I have the Ability to speak in a certain way, to be a conduit for ideas that probably don't even come from me, Pat. You know, they probably come from something bigger than me. Then that's a gift. And my job is just to be the best funnel for that information. And that's bigger than me, you know? That's bigger than me.
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B
You don't have kids yet?
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A
Not yet.
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B
You want to have kids?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Okay. How are you? There's a book that my assistant told me about 20 some years ago called 101 Questions to Ask before you get engaged. And it was just by. By this man named Norman Wright. And I said, have you read it? He said, I've never read it. I said, you think you need to read it? So I read it. And one of the questions on the. By the way, it's literally a book, 101 pages. It's just questions and blank questions. Blank. I eventually ended up bringing him to an event. I bought a thousand of this copy of this book, and I started giving it away to people. Patty Lopez, Sandra Lopez, Leo's wife, gave this to me. She was listening to Christian radio. She said, you should listen to this with kids. How are you going to have the conversation? I don't even know. Maybe you haven't thought about it. What's the faith conversation going to be with your kids?
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A
I think I'm going to go. I'm going to show them nature. And for me, this is my personal experience. I think there's a couple things I think about here. When I feel beauty, when I feel moved, I think, how do I feel that there's got to be something bigger than me? What is beauty? What is my sense of beauty? When I'm in the ocean, when I'm looking at a mountain, I'm like, that is beautiful. What is that, Pat? That to me, the fact that I can sense beauty is a reminder that there is something bigger than me. And then I look at humans, biologically, my biological mind kicks in and says, look at us. Look around us. Things that are alive fight entropy. We stay organized. Entropy is one of these laws of thermodynamics. The universe tends toward disorder. If you have something and it is not alive, it decays, right? You put a piece of bread on the counter, it becomes moldy. You know, a fruit rots. You know, it's been picked from the vine. A fruit doesn't rot on the vine. It only rots when it's dead, generally speaking. Sometimes, maybe. But you can see that, like, the human body doesn't decompose until we are not alive. There is some sort of life force in a human that fights entropy. And what is that? That's interesting to me. What is this animating force of life at the level of our mitochondria, at the level of energy production that allows us to fight entropy? Why does a tree, when you kill a tree, it falls apart, you know, But a tree is alive. It fights entropy. A rock, maybe, not alive. Beautiful minerals. It doesn't fight entropy. It decays. Right? You get erosion. You know, that's interesting to me that we are. We are anti entropic machines. And that's sort of the combination of like my overly analytical thinking and some sort of philosophy.
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B
What's your birthday, by the way? What month's your birthday?
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A
June.
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B
June what?
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A
June 29.
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B
June 29. Interesting. June 29. We got married on June 26. My youngest daughter's born on June 26, and Tom Ellsworth is born on June 23. You know, when you're talking about this, my son, oldest son, I'm a sports guy, so I'm hoping my kids want to play professional sports one day. Oldest son, I would take him in my backyard. He's eight, nine months old. I'm giving him balls and, you know, basketball, baseball. Could care less. He goes straight to dirt. And he's picking up a worm and he's picking up dirt and just playing with it. I would, you know, we would take him places. Could care less. Oh, my God. We're sitting front row seats. Sports is sleeping on the couch. We took him to Alaska, Paul. It was a whole different experience when we took him to Alaska. We're walking up in nature. This kid is enamored.
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A
Switched on.
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B
He switched on. We went to all this. It was the biggest, I think Alaska has, like, we're the biggest mating area for bass. I don't know if I'm. Can you type on Alaska bass mating? And so we went there, we went into mountains. He saw this big eagle that was shot and his beak was broken. He was fascinated by it. What. What kind of fish is it? That's salmon. Salmon. Go salmon. Yeah. Is it salmon mating returned? Yeah. And by the way, they were swimming up. It was a beautiful thing to see. But nature is a beautiful thing. And sometimes we do need to go out there and see it because you see how beautiful the world is. You see how beautiful the universe is.
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I mean, don't you think that if, you know, like, that's again, like I said, I don't think. I don't necessarily call what's bigger than us? God. But if they're, you know, that's God's creation, you know, that's God's palette right there. You know, that's one of the ways that nature is incredible. It's very humbling. And I think that as humans, we forget this. And I think that a lot. I think. I don't really spend a lot of time in the political sphere, but I do think a lot of political decisions would be made differently. A lot of the decisions people make broadly in government and the decisions that I get frustrated about, I think would be different if people had more time in nature. I think one of the things for us as humans that's caused us to go off track is that we're not spending enough time there. And that sounds. That sounds passe, but you know what
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B
I'm saying, by the way, I think we need people like you to remind us of that regularly to go in nature. I really believe that because we're getting more and more so caught up in business, buildings. We're not going out there. It's a beautiful thing when you're going out there and seeing it. And by the way, so this product here. Okay, are you paying me to endorse this and talk about this?
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A
No, I don't think so.
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B
Just so you guys know this, he hasn't paid me a penny for this. Okay? I'm not happy about it, but he hasn't paid me a penny. I can't. I can't stop eating this. And you send me a box, by the way. Sat there and then I tried. I text you, I said, what is this, Paul? This is ridiculous. Every time you send me a box, it's over, it's done with. So tell me about this lineage protein bar for humans.
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A
So you got one right there if you want to open it.
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B
Yes.
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A
I brought some other protein bars here to compare. So if you read the ingredients and look, real food first. We talked about single ingredients foods, but the protein bar market is massive and humans need convenience. You said after this podcast, you're going to your son's school. You know, convenience. We need these things on the run. I know that people want protein bars and I'm all about real food. So I wanted to make a protein bar. What's out there? You got quest bars. The ingredients are crazy. You got erythritol, you got glycerin, you got sucralose, you got polydextrose. You got things that you don't even know what's in here. You got seed Oils. You got protein pop tarts today with artificial colors. You got red 40 in here, a dye that's been known to cause attention issues in kids. You got. I mean, what's out there in the market for protein bars is pretty darn bad. You got palm oils again, glycerin, natural flavors. We can't even pronounce these ingredients. You got bars like this with fake fats like EPG in the David bar that. That cause people to have gas with discharge and oily spotting on their underwear
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B
because it's not good.
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A
This, like EPG is a cousin of that. Remember that? Olestra. So I thought, okay, let's make a protein bar. And I've got an amazing team at Lineage, and one of the guys on my team has been in the protein bar space. What we were able to do with this was make a protein bar with 20 grams of protein. And I don't want this to be an ad. I just want people to understand that these foods are out there that are more convenient. 20 grams of protein tastes amazing. I mean, you can test.
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B
No, I love it.
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A
Or you don't like the taste?
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B
No, no, I texted you so you can say. Did I text you?
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A
Yeah, you texted me.
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B
And this is the only thing I texted. And I told you I like the other beef jerky stuff.
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A
Yeah, yeah, we got you some.
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B
This is my number one.
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A
Yeah. And we gave it to your guys and they just, they loved it all around. It's really good. It's all ingredients. You want to read the ingredients on the label for people. Like it's. You're gonna write. You recognize all the ingredients. That's what's cool.
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B
Are you gonna make me remember that I need glasses?
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A
I'm ready.
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B
Yeah, if you can read it.
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A
So you got grass fed whey protein concentrate. You got grass. Yep, most of it. Yeah. You got grass fed collagen. There's organic coconut nectar, which is just from the coconut SAP of the coconut tree. It's a prebiotic. You got grass fed beef tallow. That's a fat made from beef. You got organic strawberries, wild blueberries, organic lemon juice, organic raspberry extract. And this one is split here. I gotta look at that other ingredient. But yeah, you got all these. These are all quarter box.
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B
Just quarter box for yourself. Natural food, the website, Rob.
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A
And you got organic. You got raw honey. It's lineage provisions.com, lineageprovisions.com. and you know, it's like, I always think, if you have time, Pat, to make yourself some steak and put it in a Glass container and take it with you on the road. Real food first. If you're in a run. We wanted to make a good quality protein bar to compete with all the other garbage out there. I've got a couple other gifts for you. Can I give them to you?
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B
Of course.
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A
So this. This is honey from my house, but that's honey from Mariola bees. I don't know if you want to get a little spoon and try some. This is honey from Mariola bees. These are my bees on my house farm in Costa Rica. This honey is different than anything you've ever had. It's much more watery and it's a little more acidic.
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B
Oh, you know what? I had this at a Michelin star restaurant in. In Aspen. On top of ice cream. They put it on top of ice cream. I'm like, what are you doing? He says, just trust me. It's insane.
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These are stingless bees. Yeah, they're Mariola bees.
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B
I'm gonna use this plastic.
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A
That's okay. We're gonna. We're gonna make an exception.
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B
All right.
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A
We're going to make an exception. It's just one. We're going to make an exception. I'm a huge fan of Honeypot. In the Lineage bar, we've got lineage honey, which is from APIs bees, APIs melliflora, which are the stinging bees. But this is stingless bee honey. And what's really cool, I have a video coming out about this. When you look at their hive, they don't make the comb. They make these little pods and the honeys.
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B
This is the one that's tough to find, right?
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This is very hard to find. You can only find it in Central and South America. This is not a hallucinogenic honey. I wouldn't do that to you.
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B
Starting to see unicorns.
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A
So I wanted to bring. So that's from my house to you. That's a personal gift for me.
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B
I love it. Thank you.
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A
I also brought you this because I want to. We didn't have a ton of time on the podcast to talk about it, but I. It's something we can talk about offline. This is a CO2 meter pat, and right now it's actually pretty great. It says 492 parts per million. The reason I bought this is because I thought that maybe we talk about on the podcast. The quality of your sleeping environment means everything for your regeneration and how good you feel the next day and your working environment. I think you should get a few of these for your office over there. And just make sure the CO2 levels are not high in the building because we know what's good, what's bad. So you want it to be less than 750 parts per million. I have no affiliation. This is just a brand of a CO2 monitor. You want an NDR, NDIR, infrared CO2 monitor. But what they found is that when you're sleeping in CO2, that's more than 900 parts per million. You're not as sharp the next day. Something for you. How can I upgrade Pat? He's already crushing life. How can I upgrade your performance? Maybe this. Put it in your bedroom at night and check what your CO2 level.
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B
Do that tonight.
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A
If it's high, you just open a window. Right. You want the CO2, ideally, to be less than 750. And then put it in your office. Put it in your working environment. Because if your CO2 in your working environment is above 900 or a thousand parts per million, there are studies showing you are actively degrading your ability to make conquest tax. Actively degrading your ability to make complex decisions and to complete complex tasks. So for people that work for you at valuetainment, you got to make sure the CO2 environment in an office is low enough so that people's brains work. I think that's fascinating.
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B
I'm going to put that right next to my office today, and then I'll take it. Put it right next to my bedroom. Yeah. Every time I meet with you, my health gets better.
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A
That's the goal.
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B
That's. I love that. That's why I love talking to you. And we're going to put the link below.
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A
Yeah. And then I brought you these organs, too. This is from heart and Soil. So we talked a lot about liver.
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B
How many dish should I take a day?
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A
6.
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B
Holy. That's gonna be tough.
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A
They're just. It's organs. So this is testicle six a day. This one is testicle and liver. We talked a lot about testosterone, erectile dysfunction. So the reviews on this one are incredible. So the two companies I built are Lineage, Heart and Soil. And these are two of the things I'm most proud of that we built. These are testicle capsules. We have some for your wife, too, so that you guys are balanced, you know, because these affect. Affect. A lot of people feel like they affect the libido.
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B
Fair. For only me who have testicles. Yeah. We should share it. I got you.
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A
We have. We have a corresponding one for ladies which has ovary, ovaries, uterus, and fallopian tube. So we're not going to give your wife testicles. We're going to give your wife the corresponding female organs.
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B
Got it? Okay.
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A
So we got to get more organs.
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B
Respect that. You don't play around. I appreciate it.
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A
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah.
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B
Well, with that being said, also, if you have any questions for Paul, you can manact them. Ask him any questions. And Rob, let's also put the channel below for people to go find them with his podcast. Paul, thank you so much. You're the best. Appreciate you.
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A
Yes, thank you for having me.
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B
Take care, everybody. Bye, bye, bye, bye.
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Hey, guys, I am Paul Saladino. You can find me on Manect if you have any questions about diet, health, recovering from chronic illness or autoimmune disease. I'm excited to connect with you guys all there and I'll see you in there.