Israel & Hamas Meeting, Epstein's Blackmail Network CONFIRMED & Diddy Locked Up | PBD Podcast | Ep. 661

Summary

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PBD Podcast Episode 661 Summary

Title: Israel & Hamas Meeting, Epstein's Blackmail Network CONFIRMED & Diddy Locked Up
Release Date: October 6, 2025
Host: Patrick Bet-David (PBD), with Adam Sosnick, Tom Ellsworth, Vinny
Episode Start: [00:00]

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Overview

In this news-rich episode, the PBD Podcast team dives into a week packed with bombshell headlines and heated sociopolitical debates. Major topics include Howard Lutnick's telling story about Jeffrey Epstein and implications of elite blackmail, critical updates on Israel-Hamas ceasefire negotiations (with breaking news about American envoys traveling to Egypt), the conviction and fallout of Diddy's criminal trial, chaos in Chicago with federal intervention, global reactions to the upcoming Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show, and much more. The hosts balance sharp analysis, real skepticism, and their signature humor as they break down these volatile issues.

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Key Segment Breakdown

1. Epstein & Howard Lutnick: Blackmail Unveiled ([10:14]–[20:30])

Key Discussion Points:

• Howard Lutnick’s Revelations: Lutnick, recounting a visit to Epstein’s home, describes being deeply disturbed by the "massage room" with a table and candles ("I ask very insightful, cutting questions. I say to him, massage table in the middle of your house?" – Lutnick, [11:33]). Lutnick and his wife promptly decide never to associate with Epstein again.
• Blackmail Network: Lutnick claims Epstein “was the greatest blackmailer ever” ([13:24]), with probable video evidence of influential guests. He speculates these tapes may have been traded with authorities for Epstein’s lenient sentencing.
• Guest Analysis: The hosts agree that Lutnick’s story adds credibility to long-held suspicions and demystifies the mechanisms of elite blackmail rings.

Notable Quotes:

• “No, they participated... That was his M.O. You know, get a massage. What happened in that massage room, I assume was on video.” – Lutnick, via hosts ([13:17])
• “Of course he’s a blackmailer. What are you talking about?” – Patrick Bet-David ([19:44])

2. Israel & Hamas Ceasefire: Critical Negotiations ([25:24]–[49:30])

Key Discussion Points:

• Peace Envoys: Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff head to Egypt aiming to broker a ceasefire ([25:25]). Heavy pressure mounts on Netanyahu from Israeli citizens demanding an end to conflict and a hostage release.
• State of Gaza: Comparisons of Gaza pre- and post-war, with deep empathy for civilians and debate about the motivations of Hamas (“Did this help the Palestinian people? Not at all… did it help the Palestinian cause? I would say yes.” – Adam Sosnick, [30:10]).
• Was There a Stand-Down? The team interrogates circulating rumors of security failures and “stand down” orders before the October 7 Hamas attack.
• Humanitarian & Political Angle: The discussion shifts to the effectiveness of international commissions, skepticism about a durable peace, and America’s unique reaction to the conflict.

Notable Quotes:

• “To be a president, you have to be vicious. To be a president, you have to be ice cold.” – Patrick Bet-David ([18:22])
• “Tomorrow's October 7th. What did this war accomplish?” – Adam Sosnick ([28:49])

3. Diddy Conviction: Legal & Cultural Fallout ([65:18]–[76:21])

Key Discussion Points:

• Sentencing & Civil Cases: Diddy (Sean Combs) is sentenced to roughly four years with heavy civil suit fallout. Debates ensue about the likely impact of appeals ([67:10]).
• Public & Industry Reactions: 50 Cent's live trolling of Diddy and remarks from the legal teams reflect ongoing feuds and the spectacle of celebrity justice.
• Broader Discussion: The panel reflects on celebrity accountability, exploitation, and the predictability of media cycles rapidly forgetting such stories.

Notable Quotes:

• “He’s only going to return to hiring more male sex workers and keeping most of the baby oil away from the general public.” – 50 Cent, read by Tom Ellsworth ([73:18])
• “I think in about three years, the hottest, biggest podcast guest is going to be Diddy.” – Adam Sosnick ([75:54])

4. Chicago: Crime, ICE Raids, and National Guard ([50:26]–[64:11])

Key Discussion Points:

• Federal Interventions: President Trump deploys National Guard and ICE, frustrating Governor Pritzker. Local law enforcement accused of abandoning federal agents amid violent raids ([51:29]).
• Political Analysis: The left/right divide over law enforcement, fears of a “George Floyd 2.0,” and political usefulness of chaos are examined.
• Citizens’ Perspective: The hosts emphasize the lived realities of violent crime in Chicago (e.g., “24 wounded in Chicago just this weekend” – PBD, [62:57]) and the optics of outside intervention.

Notable Quotes:

• “You can’t run for higher office... if you couldn't improve Illinois and Chicago.” – Tom Ellsworth ([53:18])
• “They want to find that crowd, form around those officers. They want those officers to kill somebody. Because now they've got their George Floyd.” – Tom Ellsworth ([55:23])

5. Bad Bunny & The Super Bowl: Culture Clash ([128:28]–[141:46])

Key Discussion Points:

• Super Bowl Halftime: Bad Bunny is announced as the 2026 Super Bowl Halftime performer, sparking uproar from some conservative circles. Clips of Bad Bunny on SNL trolling his critics—“If you didn’t understand what I just said, you have four months to learn” ([129:35]).
• Identity & Globalization: Arguments about whether the NFL should favor American or global stars; acknowledgment that the NFL sees itself as a global brand and wants to expand into Latin America.
• Cultural Outrage vs. Market Forces: Some hosts dismiss complaints as “identity politics” and point to the global reach and streaming metrics as decisive.

Notable Quotes:

• “If you didn’t understand what I just said, you have four months to learn.” – Bad Bunny ([129:35])
• “What is exactly the problem with Bad Bunny performing at the Super Bowl?” – Adam Sosnick ([130:29])

6. Other Fast Hits & Commentary

Mark Sanchez Stabbing Incident ([77:40]–[86:45])

• Details: Former NFL QB Mark Sanchez is hospitalized and arrested after a drunken alley altercation leads to him being stabbed by a 69-year-old grease-truck driver. Panel expresses concern for his well-being, seeing his behavior as symptomatic of deeper personal issues.
• “If these allegations are true… maybe there’s something going on inside Mark that he needs to get some help.” – Tom Ellsworth ([83:47])

New York Mayoral Race & Political Hypocrisy ([87:02]–[95:52])

• Chris Cuomo criticizes candidate Mamdani for calling to abolish private property while owning luxury land abroad. Andrew Cuomo issues a Yom Kippur apology to New York’s Jewish community ([91:23]).

Fox News, Valuetainment & Media Dominance ([96:30]–[101:04])

• YouTube Numbers: Fox News tops with 1.1B quarterly views. Valuetainment (PBD Podcast) boasts a mammoth rise, beating CNN and major networks with 692M views ([99:21]).

UK Porn Laws Drastically Cut Traffic ([101:04]–[111:20])

• 50% Traffic Drop: UK’s age verification requirement leads to a dramatic drop on Pornhub; team debates free speech, safety, and parental control ([102:17]–[104:13]).

French Influencer Sentenced for Syringe Pranks ([112:36]–[117:35])

• Judged “too lenient”—discussion on social media’s damaging race to extremes and the danger of chasing viral fame ([113:41]).

Trump’s Tariff Rebate Proposal ([119:56]–[127:50])

• Economic Analysis: Tariffs bring in record $62.6B in two months. Trump floats a $1-2k household “dividend” (panel doubts math holds up, but likes the optics).

Disney Attendance Plunge ([142:07]–[148:02])

• Ghost Town Parks: Reported attendance at Disney parks reaches “all-time low,” panel attributes it to high prices, family disaffection, and political/cultural missteps by Disney.

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• [10:14] – Epstein revelations with Howard Lutnick
• [25:24] – Israel-Hamas ceasefire negotiations, Kushner & Witkoff in Egypt
• [65:18] – Diddy sentencing and lawsuit fallout
• [77:40] – Mark Sanchez assault and hospitalization story
• [87:02] – New York City politics: Mamdani & Cuomo
• [96:30] – YouTube/news viewership stats: Fox News and Valuetainment
• [101:04] – UK Pornhub traffic halved after age law
• [112:36] – French influencer’s syringe “prank” and jail sentence
• [119:56] – Trump’s tariff rebate discussion
• [128:28] – Bad Bunny, NFL, and the halftime culture wars
• [142:07] – Disney attendance at record lows

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “Of course he’s a blackmailer. What are you talking about?” — Patrick Bet-David ([19:44])
• “Tomorrow's October 7th. What did this war accomplish?” — Adam Sosnick ([28:49])
• “This guy was the greatest blackmailer ever.” — Lutnick via hosts ([13:24])
• “If you didn’t understand what I just said, you have four months to learn.” — Bad Bunny ([129:35])
• “You can always tell what people are interested in. Of course.” — Patrick Bet-David ([34:45])
• “Your fans love God, country and football, not open borders and world politics.” — Ray, conservative influencer ([135:24])

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Tone & Style

• Unflinchingly direct, sometimes irreverent, the panel mixes deep-dive analysis with sarcastic asides and playful roasting.
• Strong opinions abound, but there’s healthy debate and space for both skepticism and reflection.

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Bottom Line

This episode features a deluge of scandal, breaking news, and contentious political narrative—punctuated by moments of levity and candid peer debate. Listeners who missed the live show will come away informed on the latest in geopolitics, media, law, and American culture—with the “inside baseball” humor and skepticism that have made PBD Podcast a standout in alternative news.

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Transcript

[Adam Sosnick]

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[Tom Ellsworth]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Adam Sosnick]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Adam Sosnick]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Adam Sosnick]

This is not Play Play.

[Vinny]

We're spending millions of dollars.

[Adam Sosnick]

I'm so excited to embark on this.

[Pat McAfee]

Adventure with all of you. May the best idea win on Brand with Jimmy Fallon tonight on NBC. Did you ever think you would make it? Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one. All right, folks, rough weekend for if your name is Diddy, but a great weekend if Your name is 50 Cent. He has got another great opportunity to troll him because apparently Diddy already expected to be free and he had a speaking engagement this week. And 50 Cent comes out and says, don't worry, guys, I'll do the speaking engagement. If you want me to do it, I'll come out and I'll do my thing, you know. But lots of things going on in Chicago with ICE to the point where they're not even protecting the feds. Vinnie was talking about a couple clips where the local PDs are backing up and Pritzker saying it's all propaganda with everything that's taking place. And I cannot believe the President didn't call me to get approval about him deploying National Guard to our state and Oregon and other places. Well, it's called you suck in leadership. And your people are saying, please come and protect me. What do you expect them to do? You, your people are begging for leadership. Absolutely begging for leadership. Because they don't have one. You know they don't have one. There's more guys like you and this other guy named Gavin in California that are thinking more about their 20, 28, what do you call it, presidential campaign. Then they're thinking about actually taking care of their city and their states. Then you have Israel ceasefire meetings that are taking place. I think Kushner and Woff are on their way. Rob, you said to Egypt this morning to have the meeting, by the way, Kushner, we haven't heard that name in a long time. He's getting in there for the negotiation stuff. So originally, you know, we didn't know if he was going to be involved a lot, but, you know, in these types of instances, he is getting involved. Epstein, Howard Lutnick is talking to someone and explains a time where he is in Epstein's home. And while he's in there, he asks, oh, wow, you have a room here just for massages and candles. He says Epstein gave an answer to him, that he and his wife, Lutnick and his wife said, I don't ever want to be around this guy ever again. Then the interviewer asks, what do you think about Gaetz and others? And you should hear what Lutnick had to say about that. By the way, if you're a quarterback, let's just say you played in the NFL and you are famously known for running into your offensive lineman, your center, the butt fumble. What are you doing racing others in an alley? And then we're thinking somebody attacked you, but allegedly you attacked somebody else. I mean, this is like you were the best looking bachelor, right? You were like the guy to be with. And then this story comes out. Vinny's not happy about it, and he's got a few things he wants to say about it, which we'll talk about. Aside from that, folks, if you're watching this and you're between ages of 70 to 79 years old, Wall Street Journal wrote a story for you and it says, do no age of entrepreneurship, 70 to 79. You know, we're 20 years away from being 66 years old. But this is some interesting stuff that's going on over there, Adam, all morning. There's a million stories to talk about. All he cares about is the comedy stuff that happened in Saudi. And he's asking how come no one called me for money like Adam. If, by the way, if some other people. If you're doing the next Saudi trip for comedians, Adam is willing to do it pro bono because he's met his requirements for pro bono for free comedy skits for the year. He's willing to go, Vinnie, you're going to have to pay for Adam would be for free. It's like a buy one, get one for free.

[Adam Sosnick]

Bogo. Buy one Assyrian, get one Jew for free.

[Vinny]

Hello.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And I'll go for half price.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And then aside from that, you know, Trump is floats handing out $2,000 tariff rebates to all Americans because of $63 billion of rebate tariffs they made the last two months. Here's another story for you. And you know who wants to talk about this story? Women would rather stay single than compromise Politics. A global study shows. Not a local, not a regional, not a national. This is a global study, folks.

[Adam Sosnick]

Not practice.

[Pat McAfee]

We're talking about a game.

[Adam Sosnick]

Not a game, not a game.

[Pat McAfee]

I watched a clip yesterday from the show Ted Lasso. And Ted Lasso is talking to one of his best players, and he's going through and saying everything to him. And then 30 seconds into it, you realize what speech he's given. Tom, you know what speech it is after I have to show this. It's just so funny. It's so funny. I love this Ted Lasso thing. One day a guy named Greg Sher, a good friend of ours, says, watch Ted Lasso. Tell me this doesn't remind you of Tom. I watched one episode. I'm like, this is Tom Ellsworth.

[Adam Sosnick]

So you got Ted Lasso and you got your Squid games that you're all. You're all about these days.

[Pat McAfee]

Squid games is bad to watch, but it's so addicting, let me tell you. It's a horrible thing to watch.

[Adam Sosnick]

And I. I've never seen you watch any TV whatsoever now. Squid games are addict.

[Pat McAfee]

Last night, Tico comes back. He was out of town with these white family he was hanging out with. While they're back, he wants to watch Fallen because I told him how great Fallen is. This guy's like, is up at 10:40 finishing fallen. I'm like, nobody, we're gonna finish it another day. Anytime is on my side. Yes, it is. Have you ever seen, oh my God.

[Vinny]

Denzel.

[Pat McAfee]

Starts doing it, whatever that actor's name is, he's phenomenal. He's phenomenal. What is between lions and anyways, folks, don't watch Fallen if. If you just don't watch it. New York May city mayoral rates are still going on. Cuomo rips hypocrite Zoran Mamdani and which Cuomo? This is Chris Cuomo, not Andrew Cuomo. Andrew Cuomo apologizes to Jewish people, but his brother rips Mandani. And then we got a couple other things here. And then we got. We got to talk about all this stuff with Israel Netanyahu. We'll definitely cover that. Young people are now richer than boomers were. Folks, if you're a boomer when we talk about the story, maybe some earmuffs would be good for you because apparently these guys are making more money than you. According to the story, Disney attendance plunges to an all time low for 2025 as visitors report ghost towns at parks. Can you imagine that? Disney ghost town at parks. And Tom's got some Updates for you. Pornhub suffers 50% drop in UK traffic after age restrictions added. And that's an interesting concept because I knew when I was talking to the owners of pornhub, I said, why don't you put age restriction. They said, we won't do it. This is exactly why I guesstimated they would have 50 to 90% drop off. And it's already happening in UK. Fox News dominates news brands with 1.1 billion YouTube views. In Q3, the billionaire Trump. This billionaire Trump ally and his son are building an unprecedented media empire. Van Jones had a few things to say on the Bill Maher clip, which probably will get to Bill Burr dismisses all this stuff that was going on. And then of course, we have to talk about how many more lawsuits our friend. Not friend. A guy that maybe was many people's friends when they were going to his white party Diddy, how many lawsuits he's pending after what happened. And then Bad Bunny, how many guys are excited. But if you're watching this right now, who's excited about Bad Bunny halftime show? And by the way, guess what, folks? Guess what? You have a few months left to learn how to speak Spanish. See, because you need to learn Spanish, not him learning English. It's your duty to learn Spanish, according to Bad Bunny, because he said so. Right? Let's go. You got, you got to learn Spanish. You got four months to do so. A lot of people are not happy. And then we talk about the Chicago stuff we'll get into. Virginia AG Candidate faces bipartisan. Is this the J. Jones guy that we're talking about? The Virginia AG Kennedy faces bipartisan backlash over violent inflammatory.

[Vinny]

But he apologized, Pat. So it's all good.

[Pat McAfee]

We have to talk about it. Let's read his apology and French influencer. Did you see this one? The guy's going around syringes.

[Vinny]

Yeah. And he just got arrested too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he's going around shooting people. I send it to Rob. I'm like, what is this all about?

[Vinny]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

So anyways, so we got a lot of stories to cover, folks. If you're, if you're watching this today, I'm going to make it very simple for you. Yesterday, guys were posting pictures of being at football games and baseball games. One baseball game I wasn't too happy about, but they were watching it at a bunch of these baseball games. And you know what hat they were wearing and what shirt they were wearing. They were wearing the allegedly shirt. This is by far the biggest insurance policy for you, folks. Go pick up allegedly hat for 15 bucks a sweater, a shirt, a coffee mug to go get it. This is like limited. Limited supply left because these things are running out. Originally, when we came, we had a lot of different sizes, but if they have your size, go ahead and place the order with these things. They're. They're. They're one of the coolest conversation starter shirts you can wear out there. And people ask you, why are you wearing an allegedly shirt? Well, listen, it's my insurance policy to make sure I'm protected. Now all you have to say is allegedly to make sure you're protected from people coming after you. Anyways, allegedly gear is one that people like to wear no matter where they go. All right, let's get right into the stories. First story I want to get into, Vinny, is I say we start off with the Howard Lutnick clip.

[Vinny]

I love it.

[Pat McAfee]

If you want to put up the Howard Lutnick clip. So here's Howard Lutnick telling a story about what happened with him with Epstein once. It's a very, very. So this is. They're at the house.

[Vinny]

Yes, this is because, mind you, Pat, this is a four and a half, four minutes, 40.

[Pat McAfee]

We're not gonna watch the whole thing.

[Vinny]

So right now. So he's sitting down with New York.

[Tom Ellsworth]

He happens to live next door. Epstein moves in. Now they're neighbors.

[Vinny]

Yeah, now they move in because Lutney's been there since 2005. They have to renovate. So now he doesn't really know who Epstein is yet. Trust me, guys, I did the research. He didn't know him, so. And by the way, he's sitting down with the New York Post, Miranda Devine. So, Epstein, I'll fill you up. To this point, Epstein's assistant comes, knocks on Howard Lutnick's door and goes, hey, Mr. Epstein is your new neighbor. He wants to bring you over for coffee. He's giving them a tour, Adam. And even Howard Lutnick is like, bro, the house is ridiculous. It's huge. And this is when he shows a part of the house and it gets a little weird. Go ahead, Rob.

[Pat McAfee]

So he gives me a tour in the living room. Big living room. And then across from it is double doors. I assume it's the dining room. Yeah. And he opens the doors, and there's a massage table in the middle of the room and candles all around and stuff. So I ask very insightful, cutting questions. I say to him, massage table in the middle of your house?

[Adam Sosnick]

How often you have a massage?

[Pat McAfee]

And he says, every day. And then he, like, Gets like weirdly close to me.

[Adam Sosnick]

Oh.

[Pat McAfee]

And he says, and the right kind of massage.

[Vinny]

His wife is with him.

[Pat McAfee]

Now my wife is standing here. So she looks at me and I look at her and we say, I'm sorry, we have to go. And we left. And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to. To my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever.

[Adam Sosnick]

God.

[Pat McAfee]

So I was never in the room with him socially for business or even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going because he's okay now.

[Vinny]

Stop it up.

[Pat McAfee]

So now there's another part, though, that's coming.

[Vinny]

So now it keeps going, guys. And he's just embodied. I. I don't. In that world. I don't trust any of the old people that I believe exactly what the hell he's saying. He's like, I'm disgusting. Because everybody, once you put Howard Lutnicks next to Epstein, everybody was like, oh, he's in.

[Tom Ellsworth]

No, it's not analysis.

[Vinny]

It's not.

[Tom Ellsworth]

First.

[Vinny]

First time knowledge. Yeah. Witness. So now this next one, guys. Robbie. I would start it. Rob started like about three minutes. This is when the conversation of other people that were there and showing up and stuff like that. And this is what Miranda asked him. Now, go ahead, Robbie.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, the deep nuance of Howard Lutnick. This guy is gross. Right? So how come Bill Gates and all.

[Adam Sosnick]

These other people could hang around him and not see what you saw? Or did they see it and ignore it or.

[Pat McAfee]

No, they participated.

[Vinny]

Boom, boom.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what his M.O. was. You know, get a massage. Get a massage. And what happened in that massage room, I assume was on video.

[Vinny]

Video.

[Pat McAfee]

This guy was the greatest blackmailer ever. Blackmail people.

[Tom Ellsworth]

That's how he had money.

[Pat McAfee]

So, so what happened to those videos?

[Adam Sosnick]

Why is there now, here we go.

[Pat McAfee]

Such a dearth of information when, you.

[Adam Sosnick]

Know, Donald Trump's people are running the.

[Pat McAfee]

FBI and the doj, I assume way back when, they traded those videos in exchange for him getting that 18 month sentence which allowed him to have visits and be out of jail. I mean, he's a serial sex offender. How could he get 18 months and be able to go to his office during the day and have visitors and stuff? Must have been a trade. So my assumption, I have no knowledge, but my assumption is there was a trade.

[Vinny]

Okay, now, now, okay, first of all, I don't even think that they knew.

[Pat McAfee]

That Lucknow still on the inside.

[Adam Sosnick]

Oh, of course.

[Pat McAfee]

Well.

[Vinny]

Oh, if luck's on the Inside.

[Adam Sosnick]

As far as the Trump administration.

[Vinny]

But yes, and that's the. Yeah, but at the end of.

[Pat McAfee]

What level of insight is he right now? You think he's in the inner, inner, inner, inner, inner circle?

[Vinny]

No, no, I would take off one.

[Adam Sosnick]

Inner, inner, inner circle. He's definitely inner, inner circle.

[Vinny]

Yeah, no, he's inner. But even at the end, she's like, well, how does Donald Trump, the president, feel about you? He's like, listen, I don't talk to him about this. I don't know this, but I want people to understand what this guy was saying. Like, what they're saying goes against everything that the White House and Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and. And Pam Bondi have been saying. He said they participated. Bill Gates participated. And he's assuming, which. Allegedly. Allegedly. But think about. Great, great word. But he said assuming, which is allegedly. Like, he's listening. Yeah, he's. Think about it. He's. He's hearing something. He's on the inside. He's heard things. He's heard a lot of things. I'm pretty sure he's picked up on the old Bill Gates and bro. The connection with Bill Clinton and Mark Middleton and him committing suicide. And by the way, him bringing Epstein when Epstein would visit Bill Clinton in the White House all those times, 11 times or whatever. Epstein would come with different younger women each time. And the guy that signed him on hanged himself in front of his house with a wire and shot himself in his chest. And they couldn't find the gun. This is crazy. This is. This is very, very, like, revealing, actually.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, there's something very. Do you remember when we went by his house? Do you remember when we.

[Vinny]

Yes, of course.

[Pat McAfee]

We were running by security. Everything that was there. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I, I like his answer and I. It. And. But it is contradictory to the White.

[Vinny]

House to a dust.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So it is contradictory to the narrative. And. But you got to give him props for telling his experience with Epstein and how. And how horrible was. And you know what experience. By the way, what year is he talking about?

[Vinny]

2005 is when that they. They had the house. And then he was arrested in 2008.

[Pat McAfee]

2005. He's at the house. 2008. So when did the President kick him out of Mar? A Lago? 07 or 08.

[Vinny]

I don't know.

[Pat McAfee]

So, Rob, can you find out when did Epstein not. Was he not able to go back to Mar? A Lago? Tom, what do you think about this story here with Howard Levo?

[Tom Ellsworth]

I have a couple views on it. And the first is, why would Howard right now, with all that's going on and with all the success Howard has had, let's face it, he has the distinction of running one of the most successful presidential transitions ever in that he and Susie Wiles picked people helped interview him. He's had this great success. Why would you go get in the mud pit of the Epstein stuff? You could stay way out over here talking about other things. There's speculation that he was interested in Besant's position if Besant went to Fed. But then they said, no, no, Benson's not going to go to Fed. He's going to stay right where he is. And so why, with all of that and all the gloss that you've got, why would you do the interview like this? Unless one thing, it's true. That's what I think. Why would you even get in the mud?

[Pat McAfee]

You just said these two things. Are you saying this is his way of getting back for not getting Besson's job?

[Tom Ellsworth]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, he. He was getting. If Bessant goes to Fed, Lutnick was a leading candidate to step into Besant.

[Pat McAfee]

So why talk about this stuff now?

[Tom Ellsworth]

So, yeah, I think either it's true.

[Pat McAfee]

Or why would he lie? I believe it's true.

[Adam Sosnick]

I believe him.

[Pat McAfee]

The guy's next doors to him. So why would he lie about something like that?

[Tom Ellsworth]

That's exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

And remember what he said. What's the part about this that you can't lie about? He says, I'm standing there and my wife is standing right here. And then I close, Jeffrey, we have to go. And then they leave. Right. And we take the six steps to my house or whatever words he use. So I don't know why he would lie about something like this.

[Tom Ellsworth]

That's right. There's no reason for him to lie. There's no reason to get in the mosh pit.

[Vinny]

And why would he say the greatest blackmailer in the ever. Like, he knows stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

I think, Vinnie, I've come to a conclusion. I know where it's at. Yesterday we have people over at the house for Dylan's birthday, and we're talking and. And couple of the guys that are there, like, oh, you know, we just want to let you know we watch a podcast for a long time. So it's great, fantastic. It's okay. So what do you think happened here with Epstein? They're kind of, you know, it's like the. You can always tell what people are interested in. Of course. Okay, so this one was the Epstein interest. I said, what do you think? Says, well, I think, you know, I'm trying to see for my. I said, listen, eventually we're going back. And I said, look this, there's. You got the emotional community, you got the hardcore cutthroat, logical community. When we had Eric Trump on the podcast Friday night, I showed a clip that Eric had never seen about his father with Barron Trump, right? When he's like, he is smart, he is strong, he is vicious, but you have to be smart, because to win in life, you got to be smart. So good luck to you, kid. So the point is, to be a president, you have to be vicious. To be a president, you have to be ice cold. To be a president, you have to know how to use those assets. I am convinced they're using all of those assets to hold. Every one of those guys blackmailed to hold to make sure none of them get in the way of them fulfilling whatever they have in the agenda. And I think the cutthroat, vicious, ice cold community fully understands that. And everybody else who doesn't, I also understand them as well. That's the conclusion I've come up with. Of course he's a blackmailer. What are you talking about? Like, of course. What the hell do you mean? Like the former Prime Minister visit 30 something times, yo. Oh, no, no, it's just they're playing backgammon. That's what it is. That's what I got, you know, that's what I'm playing. Are you ready? What are you going to do? We're going to play dominoes together today? No, we're going to play today. You would. We're going to play, you know, Uno today. Today's Uno day. That's what we're doing today. Now, something's going on here. Adam, we know you have very insightful feedback on this one here. Tell us what you're.

[Adam Sosnick]

Fully agree with you that they're protecting rich, powerful, connected people at the expense of young women. Pretty much it. You know, there's the rule of law in our country, and then there's vigilante justice. So the rule of law would say, well, you know, he was arrested 20 years ago and they did some sort of sweetheart deal, this Alex Acosta guy, and they got 18 months rather than 18 years because they worked out some deal. And that's for the Justice Department and for the rule of law to basically comprehend that. But on the flip side, it's funny, I was watching Steven Crowder, and he goes, you know what they do to pedophiles in Russia, right? He goes, you didn't hear this story? He goes, yeah. So some father found out that some pedophile was like talking to his daughter. So what happened was, turns out the pedophile decided to suicide himself. And he dig grave for 30ft, and he stabbed himself in the back 25 times. Times. Whoopsie. I guess he sued the sides himself. So it just basically shows in Russia, they'll deal with a situation with vigilante justice. Now, one might say he got exactly what he deserved, bro. He's a pedophile. On the flip side, in America, we have to deal with rule of law. And sometimes you might not like the outcome of the rule of law, but that's for the Justice Department or whoever it was that made that deal. I fully agree with you that they're protecting rich, powerful people.

[Pat McAfee]

You just sounded like the guy from Despicable Me.

[Vinny]

Yeah, he did. The bald guy with the.

[Adam Sosnick]

What is this person? A good person from Baku?

[Vinny]

Let me ask you a question. Did any of the people that were at your house talking, did any of them believe that Trump is. Meaning not Trump is guilty, but that these guys are like, hey, listen, we have all this footage, we have all this CIA, whatever, and they're like, we're in control.

[Pat McAfee]

You don't. Do.

[Vinny]

You don't. You're not putting any of this out there. None of them had that.

[Adam Sosnick]

Okay, but didn't they. Did we cover this one time?

[Pat McAfee]

No, Vinnie, that. That to me is. Is out the window. That to me is out the window. Okay. And the reason for it is because. Do you believe. Do you believe the call that Trump made screaming at Netanyahu about what happened with Qatar?

[Vinny]

100%. Do you believe it happened?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Do you believe. Did you not just see that Netanyahu came and apologized to Qatar of what they did without telling the President?

[Vinny]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. Do you. Do you think a person who has that kind of blackmail on our president would allow anyone to talk to him like that?

[Adam Sosnick]

No way.

[Pat McAfee]

No. Then it's done.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That's where I'm at. Because whoever has blackmail has authority. And Netanyahu shows me no authority around Trump. And I know it's a. At one point, I'm like, maybe there is. Maybe. Let me watch it. But then when you hear multiple times, we're like, yeah, we have decided to build on Gaza. We're thinking about putting a Trump Tower or something like that. And then Epstein, Netanyahu makes a famous look. Do you remember that one?

[Adam Sosnick]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

No. This guy is A, this guy's a funny guy. No, he is toying with these guys and. But do I think he has, you know, the ice cold blood? Like, do I think his blood is pure, ice cold? I think it's got a drop of warm, red blood in it and he hides it. And make sure you never see it, because when I asked Eric Trump multiple times, I said, so have you seen your dad get emotional? First we talk about driving. Says one time he's driving in a Rolls Royce and everybody's flipping on him off. He says, look, everybody loves me.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Five miles an hour in the Jersey Turnpike.

[Pat McAfee]

Did he ever make you breakfast? Oh, no, he never made us breakfast. Did he, you know, did he ever cry? Yeah, we got, we all got emotional with this last election. Yeah, he didn't want to say it, but he said we all got emotion with this election. I believe him. Look at this. That's. That's the Mar a Lago to the left. And look, can you imagine Trump at a gas station filling up the tank.

[Vinny]

With his gas is $1.29.

[Adam Sosnick]

He says he doesn't drive it.

[Pat McAfee]

No, it's actually 29 cents. That's actually.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Even Eric Trump said, there's a picture.

[Adam Sosnick]

Thanks, Joe Biden. Eric talked about it used to be $0.29. Yeah, Eric referred to, I think Eric.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Used the word epic. He said there's also a picture of him at the car in the pink shirt. That's rather epic.

[Adam Sosnick]

Yeah, because he's at a gas station.

[Pat McAfee]

Anyways, let's get to the next story here. Let's talk about the Israel ceasefire. So the Israel ceasefire that's taking place right now. I believe Witkoff and Kushner are on their way to Egypt to negotiate the deal and see what's going to be happening there. But let me read a couple of these things and I will get them right into it. Rapp, is that the one telling us that they're on their way there? Okay, go for it. Overseas, President Trump's special envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, and the President's son in law, Jared Kushner, are headed to Egypt this morning, hoping to nail.

[Vinny]

Down a peace deal between Israel and Hamas.

[Pat McAfee]

It is an agreement that could end the war and bring home the remaining.

[Adam Sosnick]

Hostages taken in the October 7th terrorist attacks.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Adam Sosnick]

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[Vinny]

Yeah, Good morning, Willie.

[Adam Sosnick]

So we're getting some new details starting.

[Vinny]

To emerge from Israel about those negotiations that are set to begin tomorrow. President Trump announced yesterday that Israel agreed to an initial line on the map for its eventual withdrawal from Gaza. Now, once Hamas agrees, the president says the ceasefire and peace prisoner exchange will begin immediately. Netanyahu himself, Israel's prime minister, addressed the Israeli public last night, saying he hopes that all of this will wrap up in these talks in just a few days, after which the remaining 20 living hostages will be returning home. But there are still a lot of details to work out here, Willie.

[Pat McAfee]

So. So right here, a couple of things. Tens of thousands of people are in the streets of Tel Aviv pressuring Netanyahu to close the deal. In the hostage release, boom, that's taking place. Then you have Witkoff and Kushner, which we just talked about. And then you have President Trump issuing a new warning to Hamas to move quickly on hostage release or bets are off over peace deal. Tom, your thoughts on what's going on here?

[Tom Ellsworth]

Well, there's a couple of things that are going on in Gaza that we saw over the weekend. No speculation. Everyone agrees, all the news media, everybody's reporting it the same way. Even news media doesn't like each other. There is a street which is forming a line. There's a map of Gaza and there's a street that says, hey, you can go from. I think it's. You can go from west to east down the street across the center of Gaza. And they have sirens going off and they have announcements of saying, you guys gotta evacuate. You gotta evacuate here to clear this out, this zone. And I think, yep, the peace deal.

[Vinny]

Yep.

[Tom Ellsworth]

There's this section that I think Israel's gonna go in there and saying, okay, any of you Hamas that don't wanna get with points 2, 3, 4, 7 and 9, you know, on the peace deal, once all the citizens and everybody are out of there, we are going to sweep this thing, if you're still there. And I think this is basically the end of the end in this area. And so that's what we're hearing. The other thing is that Hamas didn't say absolutely no. And there is a kind of a. Not a. Not quite a neutral, but Egypt in there allowing them to have a place to come talk about it. So I see all of that as progress, but I'm still skeptical on Hamas. But I think this is progress, number one. And number two, I think it's really bad news for Hamas because once this evacuation order and all this section and you and I looked at that map, that one street that goes straight across, man, everything that's inside there that is holding a gun and behaving badly, you don't need an insurance actuarial table to determine what's about to happen to that. They are going to sweep this thing, Adam.

[Adam Sosnick]

So by the time this episode comes out, it's tomorrow's October 7th. So by the time a lot of people watch this, It'll be the one year anniversary, I'm sorry, the two year anniversary of October 7th. So I'll ask the following questions. What did this war accomplish? Because if you look at it from the Palestinian perspective, if you go back to October 6th, two years ago, literally today, two years ago, they were living in actual normalcy. Now you might critique the extent of which this quote unquote blockade was in Gaza. But they were free. You know, as much as that means.

[Tom Ellsworth]

As much as the Middle east area.

[Adam Sosnick]

There'S literally no free place in the Middle east, which is the hypocrisy of free Palestine. There's not one free place in the Middle east other than Israel. But look at Gaza now. How did this benefit the Palestinian people? I feel horrible for these people, like anyone that doesn't view this as a humanitarian crisis.

[Vinny]

Yeah. By the way, that, that right there is a drone shot of, of Gaza. And I'm just trying to figure out was Hamas hiding in every so single building.

[Tom Ellsworth]

So this isn't Detroit.

[Adam Sosnick]

Hamas does a lot like booby traps.

[Vinny]

No, no, no, Adam, hold on, hold on. You cannot tell me that that, that is complete and total. That looks like a nuke went off. Like that's not even. That is insane.

[Adam Sosnick]

So you're absolutely right. And I would argue that this is exactly what Hamas wanted. Think about that for a second. Because I didn't say the Palestinian people, this is what Hamas wanted. Because they knew when they went in on October 7 and they killed all these people and took hostages. You think this is their first time dealing with the idf? They've been feuding with these guys for years. They know what they're doing. They were willing to martyr their own people to sacrifice for their cause. So October 6th, they were living in somewhat normalcy. You see videos of. Dude, Gaza is one of the most beautiful places on the planet. Do you understand that? Just north of it is Tel Aviv. It's a gorgeous Mediterranean Sea town. But look at the town now. So did this help the Palestinian people? Not at all. Did it have to, pal? Did it ha. Did it help the Palestinian cause? I would say yes. So this October 7th was the best and worst thing to happen to Israel. What do I mean? Well, regionally, Israel is kicking everyone's ass. Hamas, the Houthis, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad. We see what's going on in Iran. Everyone's lost, lost, lost. Syria, Lebanon, Hezbollah. But globally, this has affected the brand of Israel and even Jewish people for that matter. So, you know, they say you can, you know, win the battle but lose the war. There's a lot going on with that. So I think from a Trump perspective, this is going to possibly be the biggest deal he's ever done, if he can get this done. The one gliver of hope that I do have is that Trump, remember when he went around the Middle east and he had all those, he went to Saudi, he went to Dubai, went to Qatar, he had all these meetings. What are the, what's the likelihood? He said, guys, we got to end this war and I need your help. And you hear him say, I want to thank Jordan, I want to thank Egypt, I want to thank Saudi, I want to thank Qatar. He's understanding that in order for this deal to get done, it's not about Hamas, it's about the 99% of the rest of the Muslim Arab community that says, let's help you with this. And if he can do that, there's a possibility of a ceasefire and a peace deal. But I don't trust Hamas at all.

[Tom Ellsworth]

You're well read on this. What do you think the effectiveness of the commission that will be led by Trump and Blair? Because that's different. There's never been like a, like, I don't want to say the word, I must say it kind of like a mini UN that they're establishing with world leaders from other places that are going to be in governance. What do you think the potential for success with that?

[Adam Sosnick]

Well, I trust Trump and Kushner and Woodcoff, Tony Blair, I mean, isn't he.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Like, I'm talking about the commission.

[Adam Sosnick]

Yeah.

[Tom Ellsworth]

That they're going to set up partially.

[Adam Sosnick]

Responsible for what happened many years ago in the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. That's a whole nother conversation. It's kind of like letting the wolf into the sheep's den. But as far as the commission, I would love to see a coalition of like minded, moderate Arab states who, saying we want stability in the region. We all know the biggest, baddest actor in the region has been the Islamic Republic of Iran. They've been defanged, and we see what's going on with that. But I think this coalition for regional stability is the most important coalition that Trump might have put together in the history of the Middle East. The only downside is Hamas cannot be a part of it. And Hamas is going to have a choice to say, do I really want to disarm and give these hostages back, or do I want to literally rule a city of ashes? And if you know anything about Hamas, they're a big believer in this thing called jihad. And that trumps everything, so to speak.

[Pat McAfee]

Vinny.

[Vinny]

Well, like you. So tomorrow is October 7th. Two years. I remember two years. It was October. I want to say ninth. No, I'm sorry, it was like a week after October 7th. John Kirby, under Biden said somebody was like, so how did this happen? How could the most secure location on the entire planet have this attack happen? They didn't know six hours this. And you remember what he said, Now's not the time. It's been two years. There's still nobody talking about how that happened. I think to find out how we got here, we have to figure out what happened. There's been no, no, no, no explanation of how that happened.

[Pat McAfee]

Pat.

[Vinny]

There's even. I saw Israeli IDF soldiers in Israel and it's all in Hebrew with subtitles. And the guy is saying, we got stand down orders at the hours of this time and this time, stand down orders. That guy needs to. I don't know what's happening in their courts. Who, who would give that type of order to IDF soldiers not to, to respond? It's almost like what's happened in Chicago. Don't fight, don't fight. Stay back. So that has to be answered. And I think this dragged out two year war. Adam. They were going to do this, in my opinion, regardless what I think the anger.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Hamas.

[Vinny]

No, no, I think, no, I think, Bibi, the goal was to wipe. Like, I think the mission was to do this. But. And by the way, it's not anti Semitism that's happening. I think it's anger at the Israeli government. If you were going to do it, do it, they should have came in.

[Pat McAfee]

And what do you say about that?

[Tom Ellsworth]

I. I don't know. I mean, you're saying that Israel would have done it anyway, destroy Gaza.

[Vinny]

Yes, it was going to happen regardless. Tommy.

[Tom Ellsworth]

There were two parts of Gaza, the part above ground, apart, underground, the Part above ground. There was a huge percentage of, of people living in Gaza, including, including Jewish people, Israelis that lived in Gaza. So there was all the citizens that were living at peace and had a working economy. And you see all the pictures of that, that, that thing we last saw there, which showed the, the, the, all the boats and everything. Look at all the boats at the marina. Look at this. There's a beach community. Not, not like this is when, like Florida. Yeah, this is before this.

[Vinny]

That's before and after Abdullah El Haji.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Yeah.

[Adam Sosnick]

And that was actually impressive, Tom. But just to clarify, there were zero Jews living in, anywhere near Gaza.

[Vinny]

Yeah, so, so that's, that's why there was.

[Adam Sosnick]

They're literally not allowed there.

[Vinny]

No, they're not allowed in Gaza.

[Adam Sosnick]

Wait a minute, talk about apartheid. No, they're not. They're not allowed to go.

[Vinny]

Okay, my point is.

[Tom Ellsworth]

So you had the above ground community that had voted for the.

[Pat McAfee]

But let's go with your point. Yeah, let's go with your point. So, Vinnie, your point is, you're saying that they were going to do this regardless, is what you're saying. Okay, there's multiple arguments because I've heard this on, on, on, what do you call it, like a, it's like a broken record. It's. Every time it's the same thing of how did you stand out? We were one of the first podcasts to even address that with Charlie Kirk sitting exactly where you're sitting right now. Right. Okay, so we got that. And this is the clip. If you want to press the first part. Go ahead, Rob.

[Vinny]

I've been to Israel many times. The whole country's a fortress. When I first heard this story, I still had the same gut instinct that I did initially. I find this very hard to believe. I've been to that Gaza border. You cannot go 10ft without running into a 19 year old with an AR15 or an automatic machine gun. That's an IDF.

[Pat McAfee]

You pass it right there. So we address this. But this is where I'm going. Where I'm going is do I believe there was a stand down and for whatever reason they didn't come and get it? I do. Like, do I believe that? I myself, I do. Because if your intel is that smart and that brilliant, where you can send 5,000 pagers and you're this creative and you can get intel and you know, Trump is like, I'm sorry, what are you doing? Where are you? I can tell you exactly where you're at. Trump didn't get that intel. He got it from Israel. Mossad gave it to him. Right. So you can't be that good and not know. However, that is one thing. The other, the fact that they attacked, they imposed 100%. Okay? So they imposed, so they imposed their attack. And this guy said, oh, really, this is what you want to do? Let them look what we're going to do to them. We're going to destroy them. Do I think an instance like that could have happened? Yes. But the reality of it is what they prompted it.

[Vinny]

Oh, for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

So they prompted it. So I know this, this whole thing is like, you know, you know, there's still the lingering energy of, you know, this is all because of Israel. This is all because of Israel. This is all because of Israel. Not the first domino. The first domino is Hamas.

[Vinny]

100%.

[Pat McAfee]

I agree. The way to react, you can question the reaction and say, well, we would have done this, we would have done that. You know, sometimes when somebody wants to do something to you and you've told them many, many years, don't do this, don't do this, don't do this. Eventually you want to do it, let him do it, let him do it and let's see what happens to him. A kid screws up, you tell him, don't do it. You eventually, like, go ahead and put that thing in the, in the, what do you call, electricity, Go ahead and do it. Just let him do it one time. And he's like, I will never do that again. Right. How many more hundreds of times do I need to tell you? Don't put it there. So I think there was something there. You know, again you could say, but that's evil. That goes back to the Epstein story of Trump having the information and you have it. Yeah.

[Vinny]

And using it.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not for the average day to day person. And it's a side of this job that you have to be ice cold. I mean, what did Netanyahu do before he became the prime minister? What did he and his brother do? What wars did they fight? No, not just Mossad. These guys, it was a higher level force. Yeah, these guys were both highest ranking level delta force of Israel. Killing, getting shot at. His brother died like they're not died.

[Tom Ellsworth]

In the raid on Entebbe, which was a hostage rescue mission.

[Pat McAfee]

These are some, you know, good looking millionaire life that came out that, hey, this is what we're going to be doing. They are as like, I don't even know how to make the comparison of them in America politically. Tell me, when's the last time we had a president that was Delta Force, a special.

[Vinny]

We never had one.

[Pat McAfee]

Tell me, when's the last time we had somebody like that?

[Vinny]

No, but he wasn't. Not this level.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe Eisenhower is like the guy. You have to go to that back. And maybe even that. Maybe what I'm saying to you is like the. Probably the best comparison to this.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Is.

[Pat McAfee]

The George Washington ish. Like guys from the beginning that just the way they got what they got is by. We are a byproduct of America. The first hundred years being very nasty. How old is Israel right now?

[Adam Sosnick]

1948 is when.

[Pat McAfee]

How old is Israel right now?

[Vinny]

670 some years.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. It says 70s. 7 years old. 70. What is it? Yeah, so I'm 77 years old. So check this out. If it's 70, what did America look like the first 77 years? So go 1776. Going to the 1850s, what did America look like?

[Adam Sosnick]

Kind of had a civil war just after that.

[Pat McAfee]

What I'm saying to you is like they're so in it that to say who you compared that to. Yeah, we don't have people like that in America right now. These guys are true, true believers. They look at everybody else and even these guys, the only people they probably look at and say, you're comparable to us is a Putin because Putin fought Putin. Did they look at the people that were warrior leaders of a nation. You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to sit there and be. What are you saying? Saying that still doesn't make sense. How could you say something like that? I totally get it. These are ice cold people that responded to what Hamas did. And then they said, okay, you want to do that? Let's wrap it up. That's what I think happened. Go ahead.

[Vinny]

So let me ask you a question. So it's been. And Adam, sorry. Because I want to know both of you guys. So it's been two years. And when I'm saying I know, like this was. This was the goal anyway, because Pat, we're talking about Hamas tunnels, hostages, they're not going to give them up. Okay. Meaning this is going to be the fight that you're going to have regardless. Do you think if BB and the Israeli government, Tom, like gave everybody a week, guys. Because they've killed what, 67. How many thousands of innocent. If they.

[Adam Sosnick]

Just relax, buddy. Half of those people are Hamas.

[Pat McAfee]

So you.

[Vinny]

But you have.

[Adam Sosnick]

But you're definitively Hamas.

[Vinny]

No, no, I'm not listening to any numbers. So you're. How do you have your numbers that you're saying half of them.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, well, how do you have your numbers?

[Vinny]

Let's just say I'll give you half. I'll give you. I'll give you half. I'll give you half. That's 35,000, 30,000 innocent people.

[Pat McAfee]

What's. What's your.

[Vinny]

My point is that. Here's my point. Here's my point.

[Adam Sosnick]

Do you think the.

[Vinny]

Because everybody's saying that there's a bunch of anti Semitism happening right now, I think it's anti government. If they went in and just did it quick like that, do you think the people, like the. The sentiment of the world would be angry? As angry as Israel? Now, I'm just curious.

[Pat McAfee]

I think. Here's what you have to realize, okay? And this is never going to go away. I think you're talking to a community of 2 billion people who hate a community of 15 million people. It's not 10x, it's 150x of their people. If there's one person in the room right now to speak on their behalf and 150 people on the other side, who are you going to believe?

[Vinny]

Yeah, the 150 people.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what's happening to you.

[Vinny]

Nobody.

[Pat McAfee]

No, what I'm trying to say to you is that's what the world is going through right now.

[Vinny]

Well, but you understand my question, though. If it happened faster, would there be that many angry people still?

[Pat McAfee]

But, Vinny, let's get to the bottom of it. That's not the bottom of it. That's the bottom of it. Isn't that.

[Adam Sosnick]

I'll answer Vinnie's question, but let me.

[Pat McAfee]

Let me just say that from my perspective, that's not it. Because we'll go here and then we'll go here and then we'll go here and then we're like, yeah, but isn't it that this. No, no. Just get to what you think is going on, what you really think is taking place. Here's what I think is really taking place. Okay, then say it if that's what you think is taking place. But the reality of it is these guys, when you're saying, you know they were eventually going to do it. If you live next to a certain neighbor, Vinnie, where every night you're worried for the safety of your kids, you're probably eventually going to do something.

[Vinny]

Of course.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And that's what they're doing.

[Vinny]

Yeah. And that might be. My point is why didn't it happen faster? It's been two years. Well, like, you know what I mean?

[Pat McAfee]

Like, get to It.

[Adam Sosnick]

Why didn't what happened fast, like, get.

[Vinny]

In the tunnels and go kill. Like, go for it. Go get. Do it.

[Adam Sosnick]

Simplifying a hostage situation in a war torn ravaged areas. If it's just like, come on, bro.

[Vinny]

Adam, they're down. Did you hear what they said? They're down to 20 alive hostages. That means they've been torturing them and killing them. So you've been waiting for two years. I'm saying, for the sake of the hostages, go and effing get them and start. Go for it. No, they thought about it, but this is something.

[Adam Sosnick]

They just came to the realization.

[Vinny]

My point is, hey, guys, you probably.

[Adam Sosnick]

Want to get those hostages. That's been the. And we're assuming the linchpin.

[Pat McAfee]

By the way, that's a valid question as well, that Vinny's asking. Like, you know, game one of the Yankees against. Who do they play? Yankees played.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Blue Jays.

[Pat McAfee]

Not Blue Jays. The one that they won.

[Vinny]

Red Sox.

[Pat McAfee]

Red Sox. He takes Jason Freed out after sixth and two thirds or one third. I don't know what it was. Six innings and a third. Right. And take somebod. He's doing great. And he takes them out, and then they lose. It's like, why'd you take him out? Then the next game, the. The rookie guy is pitching Schleichter, and he leaves him till the eighth inning. He pitches, 12 strikeouts. Right. And you make adjustments. And these are professionals. Yeah. That's a very valid question. Maybe that was a mistake they made in the military. You're not going to get it right with everything that you're doing. I agree. Maybe that's a mistake that they made. But go ahead, Adam. Wrap this up so we can get to the next story.

[Adam Sosnick]

You talked about this whole concept of Hanlon's razor. Not everything is this coordinated. Conspiratorial things. Sometimes things just happen. Is that the whole premise of what you're talking about? Hamlin's razor? Don't chalk up put together coalition of things with just stupidity.

[Pat McAfee]

No, Haylee's razor is about don't think because that person's late because they're disrespecting you and they don't respect you. Don't think that everybody is trying to do bad things. That's not malice.

[Adam Sosnick]

Never attribute malice, which can inadequate stupidity explain to stupidity.

[Vinny]

So.

[Pat McAfee]

Meaning don't jump to conclusion.

[Adam Sosnick]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So.

[Adam Sosnick]

So regarding what happened that day with Charlie Kirk, let me just address that. Those questions of the total can totally be asked. I have friends in Israel. I have Jewish friends. I have Friends from all over the world that ask that question. The point is that I've tried to emphasize is jumping to conclusions, people just jumping to a conclusion. So October 7th, you asked like, why didn't they respond on October 8th? The world started condemning Israel. Two years ago, that to me was like, whoa. On October 8th, when the hostages were just taken, they just killed 1200 people. The world was condemning Israel. That was a big turning point for me. I'm like, what? Even if you don't agree with some of the political and geopolitical arrangements there, you're applauding Hamas and condemning Israel the day after this atrocity. That, to me was a telltale sign. As far as this October 7th, you know, was it a stand down order? Let's just address a couple things. What day did it happen? On a Saturday morning, which is Shabbat, the Sabbath. Charlie Kirk was writing a book about turning your phone off and observing the Sabbath. A lot of people in Israel do that. This was also a week after Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur on a holiday called Simcha Torah, meaning it's like the highest holy holidays in Israel. So if you're Hamas and you're gonna, and you're gonna attack, you're gonna do it. When everyone has their phones off during the holy month where they're not prepared now you could say, well, you should still be prepared.

[Vinny]

The military, and I totally understand that they actually get heightened, they get more heightened because they know that the enemy.

[Pat McAfee]

Was going to put it this way.

[Adam Sosnick]

In Israel, if they take a Saturday off at this point, then you're sleeping on the job, homeboy. But as far as people's commentary, in my humble opinion, if you've never been to that side of the world, I mean, you've never stepped foot in Israel, the Middle East, Saudi, Iran, shush. You have no clue what it's like. You have no clue what it's like. If you're talking, if you're on a college campus and you've never been to that side of the world, time for you to shush. Because the loudest people in the room are the woke white liberals, not the Middle Eastern community. You don't see protests in Saudi, you don't see protest in Dubai, you don't see protests in Iran. And if you do, those people are hung the next day. It's always protest in white woke liberal countries that have been invaded by the Muslim Brotherhood. So we're going to see what happens here. Truly, truly, truly. I think there's a very small Segment of the Palestinian people that actually want peace, actually don't think they want peace because they've had the opportunity to have peace deals for years and years and years and years, and they've constantly rejected it because there's a phrase they've constantly said, tell me if you've heard this from to the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. Which means what thing? They want it all. So they're. They're. If there's a genocide going on, real really, wouldn't you want a ceasefire immediately? Like, there's a general. Stop the ceasefire. They're like, well, let's wait and see if we like the deal or not. Okay, I get that. But there's really a genocide. Probably want to take this deal immediately. Which goes to show it's all. All the genocide, all the apartheid, all the. All this. It's all talking points. Like, PBD said there's 150 people saying, cease fire now. And there's one person like, yeah, okay, let's do it. Give us the hostages.

[Pat McAfee]

They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Adam Sosnick]

That's a little too much of a bargaining point here, buddy. You want the hostages back? So I think the truth will come out, and if this happens, Trump will get a Nobel Peace Prize. But I'm still not sold.

[Pat McAfee]

Let me tell you, the fact that they're doing this out there, trying to make this deal happen. We hope it gets done, and it gets done asap, because there's been way too much talk in wars for the last two years. Whether it's them or Ukraine, Russia, we'd like to see the stop. And by the way, both of those wars, just so everybody knows this, they both got started under a guy named Joseph Biden. Joseph Rowan know, they're not. Not under Trump. They got started under Joseph Biden. Joseph. And he has to now find a way to stop it. Let's go to another place that is. Is a problematic place right now to be ran by a guy named Pritzker. Illinois, Chicago. The ice is out there, right? First of all, Rob, if you don't mind going out there and showing the clip of Pritzker talking about on Twitter. If you can go on Twitter, Pritzker tweets out something about, just go to my Twitter account.

[Vinny]

I love that you respond. You said something last night.

[Pat McAfee]

If you just go to my Twitter account. And that's Pritzker right there. Rob, if you can zoom in on. Yeah, please. There you go. So he says, this evening, President Trump is ordering 400 members of the Texas National Guard for deployments to Illinois, Oregon and other locations within the United States. No officials from the federal government call me directly to discuss or coordinate. So your people are begging for leadership and you're not providing it. If you were able to do the job, the president wouldn't need to step in. What am I going to do calling you at this point? Well, what are we going to do right now? Calling you like. No, no, no, we have it under control. This is purely a publicity stunt on your end. Purely a publicity stunt on your end. Now let me, let me kind of go through some of this stuff. So White House authorizes deployment of National Guard to Illinois. Rob, I think you have a clip on this if you don't mind pulling it up. It's from the one on page six. So President Trump and the White House is like, look, guys, we're done. We're not waiting calls the shot. Here's Pritzker, not happy about it with an ugly tie. I'm about to play this. Rob, if you can, go ahead.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Secretary doesn't know what she's talking about, frankly, says that people are clapping.

[Adam Sosnick]

They're not.

[Tom Ellsworth]

They're booing her on the street and they're booing ICE and cbp.

[Adam Sosnick]

They're marching.

[Tom Ellsworth]

The CBP marching on a beautiful Sunday in Michigan Avenue in downtown Chicago. They're raiding neighborhoods where instead of going after the bad guys, they're just picking up people who are brown and black.

[Vinny]

And then checking their credentials.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Are you a US Citizen? I don't know about you, but I don't carry around papers that say I'm a U.S. citizen. So you can imagine people are getting detained, they're getting arrested US Citizens. And they did this, of course, when they raided a building in the middle of the night in South Shore.

[Vinny]

130 people that were emptied out of.

[Tom Ellsworth]

This building, they were going after a few gang members and instead they broke windows, they broke down doors, they ransacked the place. And there were people that were held.

[Vinny]

I mean, elderly people and children, zip.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Tied elderly people held for three hours at a time that are making it a war zone. They need to get out of Chicago. If they're not going to focus on.

[Pat McAfee]

The worst of the worst, which is.

[Tom Ellsworth]

What the President said they were going to do, they need to get the heck out.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so Chicago White House calls, deploys National Guard federal. Trump is sending 300 National Guard troops to Illinois. The latest example, the federal example of federal government sending guardsmen to publicities amidst ongoing violent riots and lawlessness that local leaders Like Pritzker have refused to step and to quell. President Trump has authorized the 300 folks to go out there, White House spokesperson Abigail Jackson said in the statement. Pritzker on Saturday said he was informed of President Trump's administration plans to send the 300 people. So, Tom, what do you think's going on over here?

[Tom Ellsworth]

So I'll tell you what's going on. The Dems need their next George Floyd. They need blood and they want blood. They want somebody on their back bleeding, shot by a federal officer, or shot by the National Guard. That's what they want. They do not care about the people. If they cared about the people, they would be looking at the impact of the crime. And he said, oh, these people weren't cheering, they were booing. How many clips do we need on X and elsewhere of people saying, I'm glad you're here, I live over there. Where are you? Can't you help the school over here? How many of this? These are not paid actors. There are problems. But guess what? You can't run for higher office and you can't run for president if you're running on a platform that says that you were unable to improve Illinois and Chicago, so you couldn't help there. Now you want a bigger job. Really, your political LinkedIn looks pretty terrible here. You didn't do a very good job in your prior assignment. That's what's going on. And Trump is not gonna go in here just to do it. He's doing it because it's necessary and because leadership stands up and stands in the gap for the innocent when it's necessary. And this is being politicized by J.B. pritzker and others, so they could use the A word. Authoritarianism. Oh, it's fascist authoritarianism. Sending in the military, because that's her narrative. But the truth, as you take a look at these things, is they're gonna find all the images. They're gonna portray it this way or that way. And then in Chicago, when angry mobs show up, people that don't want to be deported and people that support them suddenly show up around them, you tell the police, speaking of stand down orders, you issue a stand down order in Chicago to leave these people hanging out. They want blood. They want that crowd, the form around those officers. They want those officers to kill somebody. Because now they've got their George Floyd. And then as the old phrase go, now you have the bloody albatross to wave and to claim victimhood. That's what's going on.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And by the Way. While this has happened, Trump pauses the $2.1 billion Chicago infrastructure project over race based contracting concerns. So to make that sure that the funding is not flowing via race based contracting, the Director of the Office Management and the Budget, the OMB announced this Friday $2.1 billion to come infrastructure project, specifically the red line extension and the red and purple modernization project have been put on hold to ensure funding is not flowing via race based contracting. I mean, while this is taking place. So they're going through that. Is that it, Rob? Yes, go ahead and play.

[Tom Ellsworth]

The people of Chicago have been begging for these improvements. Of course, like the California train to nowhere. The money comes in, it gets corruptively skimmed and the people don't get the red line, a purple line, so they can go back and forth to work.

[Pat McAfee]

Watch this here. Go ahead.

[Adam Sosnick]

Right now, the red line only goes.

[Tom Ellsworth]

As far as 95th street, but the.

[Adam Sosnick]

Extension project would take it further south and east all the way to 130th Street.

[Pat McAfee]

But for the moment, all that is.

[Adam Sosnick]

On hold with the Trump administration putting a freeze on $2.1 billion in federal grants that Congress approved for the project.

[Vinny]

We're going to use every tool that's.

[Pat McAfee]

Available to me to ensure that those.

[Vinny]

Dollars are restored to the people of this city.

[Tom Ellsworth]

The U.S. department of Transportation said it is in the process of reviewing the.

[Adam Sosnick]

Funding for the project to ensure no additional federal dollars go towards discriminatory, illegal and wasteful contracts.

[Pat McAfee]

Vinnie, your thoughts on this?

[Vinny]

It's.

[Tom Ellsworth]

They couldn't pay for it themselves. This is us taxpayers paying for their trade.

[Vinny]

I just hope, I hope people on that side are listening. Please don't just listen to them and watch mainstream media which is at an all time low of trust. I hope they're watching podcasts like this and I'm not being, I'm not trying to promote our show. Just listen to another side. They don't care. Oh, my mic just went. I just lost.

[Tom Ellsworth]

We just lost Vinnie.

[Vinny]

Oh yeah. They don't care about you at all. Okay Zero, that's all BS propaganda talking points. And then the attitude towards ice pack Gavin Newsom, all that, all that rhetoric, that dog Wilson that they do. Same with JB pricks Pritzker. On Saturday to go back to the ice officers, DHS officers were ambushed in, in what looks like to be in a coordinated attack. 10 cars boxed them in. Baramar Martinez. Okay, this one girl, time she was armed with a semi automatic weapon. She didn't fire, but she used her vehicle to ram these. The DHS vehicles, they Trapped them in. And then they fired at her, hit her, didn't kill her. She took off and was found a mile away at a repair shop before taken to the hospital. And then another suspect, Anthony Ian Santos, was arrested for assaulting and impeding officers. Okay, Rob, can you show that one video of like. This is what they're dealing with. This is what these guys are dealing with. Keep going, Rob. I think I slack. I slacked them, too. Oh, yeah. So look, that. That white car is an ICE vehicle. Look. Look what's happening. Can you imagine, Pat, you're trying to.

[Pat McAfee]

Nice vehicle.

[Vinny]

The white car is an ICE vehicle. You can see how the things are flashing. This person, this individual, this isn't the girl. This is just another instance. Look at it. Ramming and driving and pushing the car. And then look at him. The guy's trying to look.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And then.

[Vinny]

Still, still.

[Pat McAfee]

Who is the Escalade? Who is the black suburban?

[Vinny]

It's just a Chicago person that's just trying to get involved and try to attack Ice Ages and stop them. Yeah.

[Tom Ellsworth]

There were allegations that it was a stolen vehicle being used as a ram.

[Vinny]

Look at this.

[Tom Ellsworth]

I haven't found anything from the police department that confirmed that.

[Adam Sosnick]

What?

[Tom Ellsworth]

But it certainly looks like a bunch of guys stole the car and used it as a random tool.

[Vinny]

I know I said this last week. Attacks on Ice agents are up 800%. Okay, where's it. It's not coming organically and bad. We talked about the. The sources and the people that are funding and pushing this stuff. I really hope we get to the root of the cause of what's. Of causing the division and this insanity and this chaos in the country. And then. Yeah, Pritzker was on Tapper. He said it was propaganda. Rob, you have that. That clip as well? Yep. He said it's really hard to know the facts. You just saw what you saw, Pat. Listen to this guy.

[Tom Ellsworth]

DHS says that CBP officers shot and.

[Vinny]

Wounded a woman in Chicago yesterday after they say she allegedly rammed a law enforcement vehicle and agents were boxed in by multiple cars.

[Adam Sosnick]

The spokesperson for DHS, Trisha McLaughlin, accused.

[Vinny]

Chicago police of leaving the scene and refusing to assist agents in securing the area. What do you know about this incident? Were federal agents boxed in and assaulted?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, we don't have a lot of facts.

[Tom Ellsworth]

What happens in these sorts of incidents is typically ICE puts out a press release before anybody else can speak with the press, and then it gets reported on social media and elsewhere.

[Pat McAfee]

Remember, these are the same folks who.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Killed a person, unarmed person. Just a couple of Weeks ago in Franklin Park. At first they said that the officer.

[Vinny]

Had been threatened with his life.

[Tom Ellsworth]

The reality of it and the truth of it has now come out, and that wasn't the case.

[Pat McAfee]

They killed somebody.

[Tom Ellsworth]

So here it's really hard to know exactly what the facts are, and they won't let us access the facts. They are just putting out their propaganda.

[Vinny]

Propaganda. We've got a later. So propaganda in Dallas. They're not going. Your propaganda.

[Tom Ellsworth]

My propaganda is.

[Vinny]

Okay, yeah. And they're not. They're not sniping and shooting at ICE agents. It's like this whole attitude of all these leaders that you're talking about, these horrible freaking leaders.

[Adam Sosnick]

Pat.

[Vinny]

There was a New York, New York Post reported that the chief of patrol, John Hein, gave an order to stand down and not help ICE agents. Okay? Do you understand how diabolical that is? Your brother in arms, they need your help. And you're saying, oh, guys, you're responding. Do not respond to that. Okay? This is. It's not gonna go well for these guys, okay? They are doing their jobs, all right? And it's unbelievable. Like Chicago. Guess how many shootings happened this weekend in Chicago. There's probably three or four mass shootings. He doesn't care. He doesn't give a damn. He doesn't care. But he can't just say, hey, Trump, thank you. Hey, thanks. Thanks for getting people that aren't supposed to be in the country illegally. That I basically told them, hey, come to our city, cuz we're sanctuaries.

[Pat McAfee]

Here's the question. Here's a question. And then, Adam, I'm gonna come to you. So the question is the following. What is Pritzker and all these leftist politicians gonna do when the streets of Chicago shuts down crime within two weeks and it's cleaned up now? What are you gonna say?

[Vinny]

He's screwed.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you gonna say? Actually, think about the optics.

[Tom Ellsworth]

He.

[Pat McAfee]

The governor is gonna hope for crime to increase. When National Guard comes in, imagine psychological issues. You have to say, kill somebody, crime. I'm speculating. I'm saying my opinion is they're going to be rooting for crime to increase. They know. What did the mayor of D.C. say? Hey, they kind of cleaned it up within 12 days. All right, if they do that on Chicago, what do you think the African American families who voted for Kamala are all of a sudden going to be saying?

[Tom Ellsworth]

Hey, wait a minute.

[Pat McAfee]

It's kind of working, man, Maybe this guy knows what he's doing, Adam.

[Adam Sosnick]

Yeah, well, this is politics. There's no chance that someone like JB Pritz is going to be like, you know what Trump, we really need your help here, buddy. Like our city is out of control. And by the way, we've had a democratic established government here for about 100 years, but we really need your help.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And my DoorDash was hijacked three times this week.

[Adam Sosnick]

There's no door chance by the way that they're going to say something like that.

[Pat McAfee]

24 wounded in Chicago just this weekend.

[Adam Sosnick]

And unfortunately this is why they call it Chira because it's like that's it, only five people this weekend. Congratulations. Your numbers are actually down in Chicago. But let's not pretend everything is just finy dandy here in Chicago. We're, we're desensitized to just people getting killed, people getting shot every weekend. Chicago, D.C. no big deal. By the way, it also happens in Memphis and it happens in certain other cities, Little Rock, what have you. But even in Fort Lauderdale. But there's no secret that the, the, the worst of the worst of the worst is going on in these democratic sanctuary strongholds. And Chicago is the tip of the spear. And now J.B. pritzker, of all the nonsense that he rattled off, there was one thing he did say that was accurate when he said let's focus on the worst of the worst. I agree. I don't want to see ice coming in and just jacking somebody's nanny or the gardener. So it needs to be a pathway to citizenship for a lot of these people. Because if we, how are we going to deport 10 million people? But if we focus on the worst of the worst of the worst, then that's where I think we'll have some success right there. Now as far as Tommy made a comment about they need their George Floyd. A lot of it is their George Floyd. Exactly.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And by the way, if you'd volunteer to die for us, we're going to put you on T shirts, we're going to paint you on murals on the side of buildings. Your family will have your memory all over the place if you'll just be our martyr.

[Adam Sosnick]

It's, it's sad, it's actually so true because if you actually take a compare and contrast to what you would call the left's victim mentality and the rights actual victim in Charlie Kirk versus George Floyd. It's non comparison, it's actually laughable. George Floyd, you know, peace be upon him, as they say, habitual line stepper, in and out of jail, problematic druggie, what have you beat his girlfriend. But he's the martyr of the left, Charlie Kirk, who I would literally say is one of the greatest humans I've ever met. To see how his legacy is being trounced on by certain people is pathetic to me. One of the greatest people ever. And he's being sort of labeled this racist, disgusting person. Charlie was a great person and George Floyd was a shitty person. And it just goes to show whose role models and martyrs each side looks up to.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. So let's get to this next story. So Diddy Combs, Sean Diddy Combs is he's found guilty. Rob, if you can pull up the videos on this one, that'd be great. He's found guilty. Let me just read this. So after he was found guilty and I think he has to do what, four years and a half, Rob, something like that. That he has to do four years, 23, four and a half years, something like that. There's a maybe sentence to just around four years behind bars in criminal case on Friday, but he still faces a mountain of lawsuits accusing him of sexual violence, sexual criminal sexual violence and other disturbing acts. The nearly seven civil suits will prove to be a headache for Combs as he already faces legal fees in his federal sex crimes case that could easily top $15 million so far. Damn expert told the Post lawyers were split on if the Bad Boy Records founder would fight like hell or dip into his dwindling estimated $400 million fortune to quickly pay off his long list of accusers. Attorney Nicole Brennecke said that it would it wouldn't shock her if Combs moved to settle many of the claims since the financial impact would be minimal and he would quickly end the continuing headache. But hip hop and celeb attorney Bradford Cohen says the cases he reviewed appear thin and that Combs should fight back. Settling doesn't make sense in the long run because the others are going to want to pursue you even harder now that you once settled one convicted of two, two prostitution case counts of his Manhattan federal trial, he was still acquitted on the more serious sex trafficking raps. He just got exonerated on multiple felonies. I think he's going to come out stronger than ever. The attorney said it's a business decision on how much he wants to spend and I'm sure his lawyers are not cheap now while this has taken place. Okay, Rob, what do you have here?

[Tom Ellsworth]

This is FOX News talking about the appeal process. Diddy's attorneys are going to appeal the sentencing.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, go forward.

[Adam Sosnick]

CB Cotton is live in New York.

[Tom Ellsworth]

City with the Latest.

[Pat McAfee]

Hi, CB.

[Vinny]

Hey, Mike.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, between the years, Sean Diddy Combs has already spent in jail and the credit he could receive, receive for good behavior.

[Vinny]

It's possible he's out of prison in.

[Pat McAfee]

Two and a half years. But Diddy's defense attorneys are still not.

[Vinny]

Satisfied with this prospect.

[Pat McAfee]

What we feel happened today was that.

[Vinny]

The judge acted as a 13th juror.

[Adam Sosnick]

One that we did not choose, and.

[Pat McAfee]

That he second guessed the jury's verdict. We think that a jury verdict should.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Mean more than our jury's verdict seems to mean.

[Adam Sosnick]

And so we, we are planning to appeal. As part of the judge's four year.

[Pat McAfee]

Sentence, Diddy was also ordered to pay a half a million dollar fine and he'll have five years of supervised release once he's out for more than four hours. Yesterday, supporters, defense attorneys and Diddy's adult children, while they all pleaded for mercy, Diddy addressed the court himself, apologizing and saying his own behavior was disgusting, shameful and sick.

[Vinny]

His eight week, eight week trial over.

[Pat McAfee]

The summer accused him of creating a criminal enterprise using fame, fortune and fear to coerce and sex traffic women and to drug fueled sex parties with male escorts called freak offs or hotel nights. He was acquitted of the most serious charges. He begged the judge for another chance and vowed that he was a changed man. The judge told Diddy, you abused them physically, emotionally and psychologically. So that's that. Now 50 cents.

[Vinny]

What's he doing there? Pat, did you see that photo?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I mean, some of these pictures, other.

[Vinny]

Way, other way around.

[Adam Sosnick]

Great artists.

[Vinny]

What is he, what's he doing down there? One more you had. What's he doing right there?

[Tom Ellsworth]

That's when he was apparently. That is when he received the sentence.

[Adam Sosnick]

He fell to the floor and started banging on his chair, crying. Oh, or it could have been a freak off under the table. You don't know what's going on.

[Tom Ellsworth]

By the way, when he goes to prison, let's remember that pose.

[Vinny]

Tom.

[Adam Sosnick]

Oh, geez, there's Tom again. Let me make a note from when Tom makes inappropriate comments.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no, let's just keep score.

[Adam Sosnick]

He's the goat.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, listen, at least one of the things that was the first time Tom used the bathroom in seven years.

[Adam Sosnick]

It's true.

[Vinny]

Seven years. He had to go.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's go through.

[Adam Sosnick]

Tom is the Diddy of inappropriate.

[Pat McAfee]

While this is going on. While this is going on, Diddy had a speaking gig this week. I don't know if you guys were gonna go watch him speak, but he had a speaking gig this week and 50 Cent wastes no time trolling the 50 month sentence. And he goes out there and says Chandari comes. Was sentenced. 50 cent, 50 months in prison on federal prostitution charges. The rapper, whose real name is Curtis Jackson, posted on X not long after Diddy's sentence was revealed, offering to take his spot on a upcoming speaking engagement. Hey, to whoever was booking Diddy for speaking engagement, I heard he won't be able to make it. I'm available, 50 Cent wrote, including a link to his website, G Unit Brands. He was likely referencing speaking engagements that Diddy has booked for next week in Miami, which the prosecution revealed during the sentencing hearing. The two artists are longtime rivals, obviously going back and forth. Is this it, Rob? Yes, because whoever has booking him, I'll be able to. So, Vinnie, what are you thinking with this whole Diddy lawsuit, everything that's going on here?

[Vinny]

I mean, I'm just. For all the, all the people, all the Cassis that were, you know, on camera beaten, all the people that were drugged that didn't want to be drugged and all that stuff, I think that this is some type of, I mean, four years is at least something, you know, I mean, because I'm going to be honest with you, I thought for a minute because Adam, we were talking about this, like he was going to walk, like, with all the. Did Tom, were you honestly thinking that he was going to do time? Like, did you actually feel like. I, I honestly in my, from everything I was following, I was like, oh, he's gonna walk. So at least a four year sentence. They're gonna appeal. Whatever. I don't know. He'll probably do what, two years? Two years. It's not fair. But I want something, there's some accountability where he's going to be, because he's already been in jail for how long now? Has it been a year? So he'll be, I think, all together to be three years. I, I, you know, I would hope for more, but, yeah, I look at.

[Tom Ellsworth]

It a couple different ways. First of all, you can change the headline that said Diddy's lawyers refused to stop billing and are going to appeal till the end of the earth and the return of Christ. So they can. There's a lot that goes on in these criminal cases on the legal side. And so lawyers like, hey, we're going to appeal this, we're going to appeal this. There are federal sentencing guidelines and he was guilty of certain crimes and the judge gave the sentence that was within those guidelines, in addition to the time he's already been incarcerated throughout the city of the trial. So that's there. The other thing that people aren't talking about is that as part of the sentencing process in America, you're allowed to. Not allowed, but part of it is you have what's called victim impact statements, and then you also have what's called pretense investigation reports. So victim impact statements, where the people that were victims can go up there and they can. They can present to the judge their own verbal representations without histrionics of how they were impacted and their fears and things like this, and the judge can consider that, but he's tied to what is he guilty of and what are the federal sentencing guidelines. So think of those as goal posts so the judge can decide which side of the goalpost he wants to put the football. So 50 Cent also came in and said, I am a relevant party. I have been at odds with him. I have felt for it, and I think we have it here somewhere. Some of the words. Look at this. I've had an ongoing dispute. This is a quote from 50 Cent that this has been posted online. This is allegedly the exact words used by 50 cents, if this posting is correct. I've had an ongoing dispute with Puffy for over 20 years. He's very dangerous. Multiple times I've feared for my life. I think you should consider the safety of the general public, your honor, before unleashing. Unleashing him upon them. There hasn't been enough time for him. And now this is his opinion, but he's expressing what he says.

[Pat McAfee]

Later, his son, who's dealing with his own rape allegations, claimed that the feds had hit the wrong house. Anyway, Diddy's only going to return to hiring more male sex workers and keeping most of the baby all away from the general public. And babies need it my next week.

[Adam Sosnick]

So. Yeah, so, by the way, 50 cents is trolling everybody. You can't take this as a. The.

[Tom Ellsworth]

The interesting thing here is a true Adam character. This is a number. You may laugh at the last part, and the last part is kind of funny, but the. The whole point of this is the judge hears this, and then, trust me.

[Adam Sosnick]

Bro, here's a joke that's basically, well.

[Vinny]

He'S a troll, too.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And then the judge says, I will now hear from friends and family of the defendant. And that's where the defendant. You only have one thing to say. Whether you're lying or not, you have to say, oh, this trial and everything has hit me so hard. I've reconsidered all this. What a disgusting reflection. I can finally see in the mirror of life. And you know, you're reading a statement basically prepared by the judge. However, the judge has had the benefit of the witnesses, the benefit of the trial itself, and seeing the demeanor of Diddy throughout the course of it. And so I think it's rather interesting that 50 Cent presents certain facts of his opinion and then chooses to troll at the end of it. But this is a normal part of our process. Statements get to be made and the judge takes them all into account before looking at the federal guidelines and saying, here's the guidelines, here's what he's actually guilty of, and I can put you left or right in those guidelines based on other things.

[Adam Sosnick]

Well said, Tom.

[Pat McAfee]

Well.

[Adam Sosnick]

Look, here's what Michael Che of SNL had to say. He goes, listen, regarding Diddy, it's really hard to watch somebody I love get punished, but hey, that's what Diddy would do. So Diddy has been found guilty for what, four years that he's going to be in jail? Now let's understand what he's been found guilty of. Two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. But he was not found guilty. He was acquitted of sex trafficking and RICO charges, which we know the mafia is all about here, working with a group, definitely guilty of lots of baby oil, lots of freak offs, and some sexual abuse. But I also have a, a prognosis, a, a hypothesis, a prediction. I think in about three years, the hottest, biggest podcast guest is going to be Diddy. This guy's going to come out of jail, whether it's in two years or four years, and everybody's going to hear from him. The fact that he was about to go on some speaking tour in Miami is just sort of a telltale sign of what's going to happen here. And by the way, how quickly we all move on. Do you know when Diddy was found guilty? July 2nd. So basically three months ago. Have you heard Diddy's name in the news? Once in the last three months, I've heard very little of Diddy. It just goes to show you, the media controls the narrative. They punch us all out there. All of a sudden, Diddy's back in the news. We go back in the jail, people won't think about him. Then he'll come back out again, and everyone's gonna want Diddy on the podcast.

[Tom Ellsworth]

You've covered the case, he's guilty, you're waiting for the sentence. What more can you talk about?

[Adam Sosnick]

Yeah, well, everyone was very, very preoccupied.

[Pat McAfee]

With kind of put you in your place.

[Adam Sosnick]

I'll Meet you under the desk.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, no, he puts you on your plate. You can go under the desk if you want. Put you there, put you on, you know. So anyways, let's go to the next door here. Next door I want to go to is. There's this guy. Like I was saying earlier, this guy's a. When. When the biggest highlight of your career is bumping into your center. As an NFL quarterback playing for the jets, maybe he wanted to kind of outdo that highlight, but this is not the way to do it. Mark Sanchez, she's just not the way to do it. Was known as the best looking guy in the NFL. Is that a Rob. I don't even know if we can play that. Look at that. Look at that right there. The fumble. Look at this. Boom. Okay, look at boom, Boom.

[Vinny]

Oh, my God.

[Pat McAfee]

You pause that right there, Bob. That's.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Hey, a different guy has the ball now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So anyways, Mark Sanchez had a rough weekend, to say the least. I mean, I don't want to like, under. Yeah, no estimate what happened there. This is, this is truly a qualified rough weekend that he had. If you want to kind of tell the audience, Vinnie, what happened, I'm gonna turn it over to you.

[Vinny]

Okay? So. All right. So on Saturday, mind you, I think pretty sure Mark Sanchez is in Indianapolis because who, who did Indianapolis play this weekend? Was it the Ravens? He's working. He works for Fox. He's a. He's a contributor, apparently. Allegedly. He's at one of. He's at a bar. It's midnight and he's. From what the reports are saying, he's doing wind sprints in the alley. Ok?

[Adam Sosnick]

What? I'm.

[Vinny]

I'm not even joking, guys, and I don't even want to make light of this, but. So a 69 year old grease truck driver shows up, Adam. And he's blocking. He's in the alley because guess what? He's doing Adam. His job. Okay? He's doing his job.

[Tom Ellsworth]

What a grease truck is. They come at the end of the night and take all the, all the used grease, oil and everything out of the fryer. He's doing his job. Job. It's late, restaurants close, he comes, does the rounds, basically picking up garbage, which is old grease.

[Vinny]

Old grease.

[Pat McAfee]

Not.

[Vinny]

Not a freaking great job. But. But apparently this, this driver, 69, he has hearing aids. They're out because the truck is really, really loud and messing with his ears. So Sanchez, according to police, walks up to the guy's truck in the alley behind the two hotels downtown, opens the guy's truck door and starts an argument because, hey, you're doing Winstritz at midnight. Whatever. The driver says Sanchez was drunk, slurring words, smelled like booze. And it got worse. There's a video that shows him chasing the old guy. A 70 year old guy grabbing him.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a video?

[Vinny]

There's a video. No, we don't, we don't have the video. But that's what the cops are saying. There's a video apparently showing that's how they arrested him inside the hospital. They grab him, shove him against the wall by a dumpster. So. And now this is the reports that the guy felt threatened. Pepper. Straight, Sanchez. Okay? Sanchez keeps coming. The guy stabs him. The 70 year old stabs Sanchez a bunch of times and says it's self defense. So Sanchez goes in the hospital with stab wounds, upper body stable condition. He was in critical condition for, for a minute. And the old guy walks in with the cut in his face. Can we show. Guys, look at what the. The altercation with Sanchez. Look at what this. Imagine your grandfather is trying to do a grease truck. That's what.

[Tom Ellsworth]

That's not a cut. That is gashed from his, by the.

[Adam Sosnick]

Way, Sanchez, this guy had a knife.

[Vinny]

But for what it looks like, Sanchez might have gotten a hold of it because he stabbed them so hard it went through his cheek and cut his tongue. Okay. And now Sanchez is facing three charges. Battery causing injury, unlawful entry to a motor vehicle. He went in this guy's cab. Okay. And public intoxication. All right, and now here's my thing that I. And again, this is coming from a guy that, you know, used to drink and get aggressive in bars and stuff like that. This. He needs help. Like if you're at the point where you're getting drunk and you're doing that to a 70 year old guy, that is just doing his job. There is something deeper. I think he needs freaking genuine help. Because listen, we've all been drunk, we've all had fun. If a guy's blocking an alley because you're doing wind sprints at midnight and you do that, that's the altercation you have. There's something.

[Tom Ellsworth]

He's not blocking an alley. He's driving in an alley to do his job.

[Vinny]

Exactly.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And he's blocking you from using this alley while you're drunk after midnight to do in sprints.

[Vinny]

Yeah, exactly. So I think it's. I think it's something.

[Pat McAfee]

Is this a witness, Rob?

[Vinny]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

What is he saying? Here, stop just up the road.

[Tom Ellsworth]

So I followed him up and stayed.

[Pat McAfee]

Across the street to see what was going on.

[Adam Sosnick]

According to police, Sanchez and the unnamed driver had an argument about where the truck was parked parked. At some point, Sanchez tried to get into the truck and even shove the driver as the driver was trying to flag security. It escalated into a fight in which the victim pepper sprayed and later stabbed Sanchez multiple times. A short time after getting to the alley, Laughlin saw both men carried off on gurney's.

[Pat McAfee]

The second person, they brought him out.

[Adam Sosnick]

Of the alley here on the gurney.

[Pat McAfee]

And he was setting up on the gurney and had a towel wrapped all.

[Tom Ellsworth]

The way around his head. Laughlin saw, saw the delivery truck backed into the dock and says there was.

[Adam Sosnick]

Enough room for a car to pass by. According to court documents, security footage shows Sanchez throwing the driver into the dumpster and nearby pallets.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you doing? Believe that it was him.

[Adam Sosnick]

Sanchez reportedly told police he didn't know what happened and could only remember grabbing for a window at a nearby pub. Laughlin recalls seeing someone come out of the business not knowing it was Sanchez at the time.

[Vinny]

You don't think you're going to see.

[Pat McAfee]

Somebody, you know, recognizable in something like this.

[Adam Sosnick]

In a statement, Marion county prosecutor Ryan Mears condemned the incident, adding in part what began as a disagreement between a 38 year old former professional athlete and a 69 year old man should not have escalated into violence or left anyone serious.

[Vinny]

The 69 year old is doing his job. He's backing in there to do and on top of that a crappy job. Ok, and what the hell is Sanchez doing? Like what? You're in town to work for the NFL, for Fox or whatever, you're doing a reporting thing. What the hell kind of mentality goes in your head? That's Tom, that's, that's something like I said, that's way deeper than just alcoholism and blacking out.

[Pat McAfee]

So he got a misdemeanor charge, battery with injury, unlawful entry of vehicle and public intoxication. He was later released from the hospital and taken to jail. Bond was reported at 300. His initial court appearance scheduled to be Tuesday following.

[Vinny]

And you know why he got arrested? Because they showed them the, they showed like people like what's going on? Here's a video. He, the guy's doing his job and you don't like where he's parked. Who the hell is Mark Sanchez? You're not, you're not security, you're not working for the damn building. He didn't like it and he got in the cabin.

[Tom Ellsworth]

I think the headline, Vinny, is what was he thinking, according to the allegations. According to the allegations. And the police who saw some camera footage and then they see the wounds on people and they investigate everything, whatever security cameras they've got and the police. These are the charges. He hasn't been found guilty, but these are the charges, the allegations. And you can certainly step back from this and say, what the hell are you thinking? Might you need some help? Is this what are you hanging out at a bar at midnight completely blotto when you're on. On location for this? I think that suggests that I would agree with you. If these allegations are true and this is all that's coming down, it really suggests that maybe there's something going on inside Mark. Chances that he needs to get some help.

[Vinny]

100 I. I agree, dude.

[Adam Sosnick]

So imagine you're just the average person following sports over the weekend and you go onto ESPN like I did, and it was like, mark Sanchez stabbed and hospitalized. You're like, oh, man. Like, I know Mark Sanchez. What's going on here? And then the next day it's like, yeah, Mark Sanchez arrested. I was like, what?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, what happened?

[Adam Sosnick]

And they came in, arrested him while he was in the hospital.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Adam Sosnick]

So you're like, what? This is why you never jump to conclusions ever. And it's like, what is going on here? So in my opinion, this is what's happening. Mark Sanchez is in Indianapolis because he's going to call the game on Sunday against the Ravens. By the way, they beat the crap. I'm sorry, the Raiders. They beat the crap out of the Raiders 40 to 6 culture. Looking good. He's supposed to try the game, but you know, they say in the, in sports, you know, you don't got to get ready if you stay ready. Here's Mark Sanchez drunk at midnight, running wind sprints because they might have a backup quarterback problem in Indy one of these days. And next thing you know, he gets called up to be the third stringer and he's just staying ready. Meanwhile, this guy pulls up in a truck, just, hey, I'm here to clean out the grease. Not on my turf, buddy. And they get into A Jets vs Sharks west side story shank off fight with a knife. And it leads both them to the hospital. It's just so dumb. And the last comment that the guy said is like, this should never have happened. Now they say that life is a series of decisions and consequences. What the hell are you doing doing Irish car bombs and running wind sprints in the back of a hotel? What's going on here? What are you thinking?

[Vinny]

It doesn't.

[Adam Sosnick]

I mean, but it just goes to show that guy's face is cut off. You don't know what's going on with Mark Sanchez. I'll. I'll tell a quick story. This is. This happens to do with drinking. I'm at Florida State, this is my sophomore year, and it's a Friday afternoon. And my. My buddy goes, I have some friends coming to town this weekend. We're gonna get pissed drunk. We're at the time of our lives. All right, good. Have fun, buddy. This guy, his buddy shows up. I swear to God, this changed my life forever. Buddy shows up, he goes, what's up, man? Let's pound some beers. Starts drinking some beers. I'm not a big beer guy. I'm just watching him. Some girl walks in, she goes, some guy upstairs called me a. And I don't think he. He goes, what? Let me show him what's up. This guy doesn't know anybody. He came to visit school for the weekend. He runs up to this guy's room, busts in the door. He goes, yo, did you call my friend a bitch? He walks in the door. The guy takes a beer bottle because he came in his room, smashes it on this guy's head. He doesn't know this guy. This guy now has a gash from here to here because he wanted to be tough on a visit to Florida State. You don't know what you're gonna get up into. And it just goes to show, you do stupid things, you know, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Mark Sanchez playing stupid games in the back of a hotel alley, running wind sprints, gets stabbed by a grease fry.

[Pat McAfee]

But did we hear any stories of him dealing with alcohol or drug?

[Adam Sosnick]

So, no, that's the point here, is that one stupid decision, maybe change your life.

[Tom Ellsworth]

If it's one stupid decision, if it's something back there, then friends and family have enough.

[Adam Sosnick]

So Mark Sanchez is known for the.

[Pat McAfee]

I think maybe there's something there. I don't know what.

[Adam Sosnick]

Mark Sanchez is known for the butt fumble and not getting stabbed by a 69 year old dude while he's doing win.

[Pat McAfee]

Did he play for USC or ucla?

[Vinny]

He was a usc.

[Pat McAfee]

Usc, right? Trojan was somebody that people thought he was going to do after Carson Palmer, I would say. All right, let's get to the next story here. Next story I want to get to.

[Adam Sosnick]

Sort of a guy though.

[Pat McAfee]

Next story I want to get to is what happened here with mayoral race in New York with Mamdani. So Chris Cuomo calls out and rips hypocrite Zohran Mamdani for owning Uganda land while championing abolishing abolition of private property. Rob, do you have that clip of Cuomo? So I don't know if there's a clip or not, but I think he had to tweet it or there was a video of it if you want to find it. So Mamdani, who on the outside has a lot of ideologies, he says he's a democratic socialist, but he's got some words he uses that has to do with words that Karl Marx used in communism. But here's Chris Cuomo Socialist New York City Mayor Zoe Mamdani is a hypocrite for owning Lucrellama. You got to walk cosplaying on the campaign trail as a working class savior, ex governor Andrew Cuomo told the Post. Being a wealthy landowner with foreign investments while holding a rent stabilized apartment in the tightest housing market in the nation is the height of hypocrisy, said Cuomo, who's running as an independent and polling second behind front Ronald Momdani in a mayoral race or on Momdani can call himself a working class champion all he wants, but it's just an act from an award winning director's son. Working men and women don't live in mansions with armed guards and have family homes around the world. Oligarch sons do. Zoroamdan is a mansion boy living off family's wealth. I don't know Rob, is there a clip of that or no?

[Tom Ellsworth]

No, I believe he told the Post this. So it was an interview.

[Pat McAfee]

Got it. So the 33 year old queens assemblyman who has pushed for the abolition of private property reported in recent state and city financial disclosure filings that he owned a vague vacant land in Jinja, Uganda valued at a hundred thousand to $250,000 since 2012 is high flying parents Columbia University professor Mahmoud Mamdani and Mansoon wedding filmmaker Mira Nair also own a breathtaking 5 bedroom, 4 bath, 4 bathroom villa in Uganda overlooking Lake Victoria that's been renting out an Airbnb for the last eight years. So that's the property there?

[Vinny]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's the property. So but you do have the so while this is taking place, Tom, is there anything between now because what month is it? We're now in October. So what do they say? October. They call it a surprise. Today is the fifth. The election is exactly four weeks and one day from today. Okay, four weeks and one day because it's what, four weeks Monday, one day Tuesday November 4th. That's what I think it falls on. Is there anything that can happen the next four weeks, Tom, for Mamdani to lose anything?

[Tom Ellsworth]

I don't think so. Short of Curtis, and I'm talking about the Republican.

[Pat McAfee]

Yep.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And short of him dropping out and there being such a resurgence toward Cuomo, I mean, it's got to be big. You have to have a dropout and you have to have more than a October surprise. You need an October nuclear surprise. And I think this is very telling. And this is where Chris Cuomo is being a news guy doing research and on things, and then Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo coming out and calling him, calling him out on these things. And there's things going on here that I think are just not enough. I just don't think it's going to get there. Patrick and Andrew Cuomo, in a related story, he actually apologized to people for Covid. So Cuomo is doing, Andrew that is, is doing everything he can to say, hey, I'm sorry, I really apologize for this to. And I think he was speaking specifically to Jewish New Yorkers. If I'm correct. Adam, he was speaking to that audience very specifically. And they're calling this guy out for being, you know, a, a, a, a mansion boy who has got this, these, these thoughts, and this is what he wants to do, but he's really come from, come from nothing. I don't think it's going to move it. Are we going to tighten up, Pat? Could it be five points or seven points? I think it could, but I don't think he can get past that.

[Pat McAfee]

And Andrew Cuomo came out and apologized to the Jewish New Yorkers for COVID 19. Locked. Rob, is this it? Yes, sir. Go for it.

[Adam Sosnick]

My friends, as we approach Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year, we are reminded this is a time of reflection, of forgiveness, and of recommitting ourselves.

[Pat McAfee]

To do even more.

[Adam Sosnick]

That is true for all of us, and it's true for our leaders as well. During COVID as governor, I made decisions with the best of intentions to protect health and save lives. However, I recognize that some of those decisions caused pain in the Jewish community because we did not always fully consider the sensitivities and traditions that are so deeply important. We could have done better, and for that, I am truly sorry. My intentions don't change the impact, and I sincerely ask for your understanding on this holy day of atonement. I am committed to learning from these lessons. Today, Jewish New Yorkers face another challenge in the eyes of anti semitism it is real. It is dangerous, and it must be confronted. An attack on the Jewish community is an attack on every New Yorker because we are one family. The family of New York.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Yeah, right.

[Adam Sosnick]

I stand with you.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, you can pause 100. Adam, how do you feel about what he's saying?

[Adam Sosnick]

Well, that was a nice little hostage reading a script by Governor Cuomo. Now, as much as I Warmth.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Didn't it?

[Adam Sosnick]

That's true, Tom. As much as I enjoy Chris.

[Vinny]

Warmth, he was just reading from the table.

[Adam Sosnick]

As much as I like Chris Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo is a dead man walking. I don't mean literally, guys, but, you know, they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. This is a very old political dog, and it's just very obvious. Reading this sort of, like, staged letter. I apologize to the Jewish community on the holiest day. Like, stop it. At the very least, learn something from what Mamdani's got going on. He's a charismatic young leader who's thriving on the social media world, and Andrew Cuomo is reading scripted letters still In 2025, when people want authenticity. Now, is Mamdani authentic? You better believe it. Is he? Does he want to authentically globalize the intifada? Yes. Is he a democratic socialist? Yes. Is he secretly some sort of capitalist that owns property in Uganda as if that's like the Hamptons? Yeah. He's a social justice warrior, and he's going to win this election. I think the poly market odds are, I don't know, 85 or so. Andrew Cuomo, thank you for serving your state for your city, your country. Your time is done. You about 34, 30 more days of being relevant. Respect to you. The fact that you haven't done podcasts all over the country is a glaring weakness. It's like the Kamala Harris approach. What are you doing, bro? Can't wait for your book to come out. Anyway, as far as what Mamdani stands for, it just all sounds great, but we've seen this a million times. Whether it's Bernie or AOC and now him, he's got a math problem. It's not realistic.

[Pat McAfee]

Take a endorsement from Eric Adams, but he will not take an endorsement from Donald Trump.

[Adam Sosnick]

Why do you think that is?

[Pat McAfee]

So he just said that to Kristen Welker two days ago. Three days ago. So here's the part. Like, that was the only chance he had, because if Trump would have called in to say, new Yorkers, we got to get behind Andrew Cuomo, that is literally the last shot he had. And he Gave that up. I don't know. And then when you watch a clip like this, look, there's. You know how you have the good guy, bad guy, like who's in your ear, right? That's telling. There's one side that I'm like, oh, dude, I can't wait for mom Dani to win. For people to see what's going to happen, how shitty this is going to be, right? And then the other side of me is like, I freaking love New York. We go to New York, we're hoping to go to Yankees game, but this, Listen, I have to tell you, I don't know. The last time I had this much animosity towards Canadians was Pierre Poiev. I haven't been this upset towards Canadians since Pierre Pouliev. And Pierre Poiev, who won the worst candidates ever, who was talented, Apple eating candidate, who was a great speaker, was lazy, too pompous, arrogant to go sit down and talk to the regular, average day to day people. He didn't want to do because he thought he was better than you.

[Vinny]

He disappeared.

[Pat McAfee]

And so Toronto decides to play the Yankees and do what they do. Toronto, I don't like you right now. And Vladimir Guerrero, screw you with your grand slam home run you put up there going 6 for 7. I think Adam made a great lights out. I'm sorry, Tom, I don't appreciate you interrupting me.

[Adam Sosnick]

Sorry, Tom.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't like what happened.

[Adam Sosnick]

Tom the interrupter.

[Pat McAfee]

And. And I'm not happy what happened there. Tom, as good of a point as he made, I'm moving on to the next story. Okay. Next door that we need to get to is. I don't know whether I go to this one or to this one. Both of them are good stores. Which one should I go to? Go to that one. Did you have the one with the viewership? Is that what you had, Rob?

[Adam Sosnick]

Yes, I just sent you something as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, let me see. Oh, is that the one we're talking about?

[Vinny]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. I love it. Fantastic. Okay, so let's go through this. So check this out, folks. Some very, very interesting data that will surprise you. But hang tight because after I give you this interesting data, there's a small media company that not a lot of people are paying attention to that, you know, but the people in media space kind of. I want to share with you what happened with them. Watch this. Fox News dominates news brands with 1.1 billion YouTube views during Q3. And everybody in the marketplace is talking about it. Okay, Everybody's talking about this with everybody. Everybody, everybody Everybody club getting tipsy, but so. Right. So everybody in the club. So let's, let's read this. Let's read the story. If I can find the right page and I can read it to you. So here we are. All right, so number one brand on YouTube with more than 1 billion video views, Fox Now News led the runner up MSNBC by 200 million views. Video shown also topped NBC News, ABC News, CBS News combined. Damn. During the news heavy third quarter, Fox News grew 45 compared to last year to pile up 1.1 billion views. Very. Compared to 848 to MSNBC. 627 to CNN. 427, 424 to NBC and 359 for ABC and 163 for CBS. According to Amplify, it was the fourth consecutive quarter that Fox News surpassed all news brands. Fox News finished the quarter strong with 408 million views. Just a shellacking is the way to put it. I don't even know if that word is a proper word here or not. We're dealing with a limited amount of vocabulary, but I think shellacking would be appropriate.

[Vinny]

Vinny, It's a good word. That's actually a really strong word.

[Pat McAfee]

So if you look at this though, Tom, there is a small media company. And by the way, folks, can you do me a favor? If you guys love the way Tom's been dressing up lately, this is brought to you by Stefano Richie. Tom is looking so good that every day we're done with the podcast, there's 10 girls waiting for him that are former throwing themselves. Foreman. Foreman. Women that were working on projects. Okay, Jumping on his car.

[Vinny]

They're saying Mike has to hold him back.

[Adam Sosnick]

Busy doc.

[Pat McAfee]

But anyways, go back to the story. Watch this, watch this here. So the numbers. There's a small media company, a small little media company that is competing with some of these other guys. And watch what these guys are putting up. Rob, can you pull up this other number here? Because we at Valuetainment also had a record breaking quarter on YouTube alone. Look at that right there. Okay, so Fox was 1.1 billion. MSNBC was 848 million. VT and PPD podcast, 692 million. By the way, if we put VT comedy, we're number one. Okay, that's.

[Vinny]

I'll just separate the comedy.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, well, because Vinnie alone with comedy probably destroyed a couple of these guys as well himself. But watch this VT and PBD podcast. Wow. We beat CNN by 70 million views. 65 million views. NBC 424 ABC 359 and CBS. We nearly 5x CBS. Think about it.

[Vinny]

If you really think about that is insane. We're just stuck there in the little middle.

[Pat McAfee]

YouTube. Okay. Talk about YouTube. Okay. 692 million views. And we just wanted to say thank you because it wouldn't happen without you and thanks to the whole team that's working. But by the way, folks, you have to realize when I tell you we're just getting started, I'm literally telling you we're just getting started. FYI, if you guys have anybody, Tom and I are going to be doing one segment per week. Of the three podcasts that we're doing per week, one of them, we're thinking about making it business only. If you have anybody that you know on the business side, we would like to bring a big name with us to talk business stories on a weekly basis because next year the Vault, we're holding it at MGM Grand. Aren, I was just in Las Vegas a few days ago coming back and we have a big vision of what we want to do with Vault conference by 2030. If there's anyone you have that's a business content creator, let us know. We're interested. We're hiring talent right now, left and right. Her take, Rob, you know the her take link, if you can put it below as well. We are hiring right now aggressively. We're looking for strong talent. If you know anybody, tell us about it. We are definitely looking for some good people. All right.

[Tom Ellsworth]

You know, if I was running a political campaign and maybe I was behind and I saw a chart like this. Oh, never mind. I'm just thinking out loud.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So, Tom, that. That takes me to the next story, which is a very interesting story that I'm sure you want to talk about. Pornhub suffers 50% drop in UK traffic after age restriction added. I just warned them. We're talking about, speaking about, talking about viewership and I think viewership. While people are watching more Fox News and MSNBC and vt, people are watching fewer porn in UK now that could be the reason for the crime. Many. Some people are speculating, but who knows what's going on here? So let me read this to you. Online traffic for pornography has plummeted and in the UK after New age verification laws were put in place over the summer. Since July 2020. July 25, porn users to all the public. Porn users in England, Scotland and Wales as well, let's not forget about Northern Ireland. Must prove they are 18 or older by uploading identity documents, credit card information or selfie that uses facial recognition technology to guess their age. Did you hear about this?

[Vinny]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh my God, you're about to watch porn. You're like, all right, say cheese. Years old.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Oh my gosh.

[Pat McAfee]

Porn up. The most visited adult website in the world suffered a staggering 50 plummet. I thought it was going to be 90, to be honest with you. I said 50 to 9. This the exact idea I was proposing. And the pornhub owners were not okay about it. And I said 50 or more than 1 million visitors, according to the Australian Broadcasting Company. Hannah Swirsky, the head of policy and public affairs at the Internet Watch Foundation, a nonprofit that works to eradicate child sexual exploitation online, told the outlet that the regulators have been effective. The regulator have been very clear that self declaration. So just ticking a box to say that you're above 18 is not a highly effective form of age assurance. She said children were often raising the issue of involuntarily seeing harmful content such as pornography online. And this also makes a lot harder. They're talking about like difficult. It's a bad word such online that it also makes it a lot difficult. I'm changing the word if you are trying to seek this material out. So by the way, because of this, Playboy magazine and old Hustler magazines are on fire in UK right now. It's ebay. People are buying. People are buying and selling them. Let me tell you, Let me tell you. I don't know if we can find the clip or not. This is exactly when I talked to the pornhub owners that came in, the rabbi. You remember when I was having that conversation with the guy?

[Vinny]

He's a rabbi.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. Yeah. So when I had the guy on and I said, why don't you guys require people to put IDs? If you're telling me Because a lot the question I was asking is how do you know the porn stars in these movies in these videos are over 18? Well, we know because of XYZ. Why don't you just ID all of them? No, we can't do that because XYZ. So this is the problem with this time. When you look at this as an expert yourself, you're watching data viewership that comes in. What do you say about the story?

[Adam Sosnick]

Well, first of all.

[Tom Ellsworth]

This is finally coming to the Internet. What had been in place in other ways, you know, kids who go to 711 or whatever try to buy Playboy. If you weren't 18, they wouldn't let you buy it. Right. And you wouldn't let you get that. And the Internet just Gave everybody access to it. And this is why parents have been really freaking out. Especially when Facebook was caught doing deliberate manipulations to put certain content in front of young girls. And, and parents were saying, and that wasn't pornographic content, that was comparative content. And girls were feeling very depressed about their image. They don't get as much likes. And that was leading to documentation about teenage suicides. So what happens online is not good. There's a lot of things that are not good. And one of the things people have been talking about and Florida did it. Florida has an age requirement. If you're trying to log in in Florida, I don't know how they do it. If it senses that you're at an IP address, it's in Florida zip code. I suppose you're not supposed to be allowed to see certain things in Florida. And I think that pornhub is now seen in the uk and the UK has said, okay, enough of this. We want the age restriction in place. Here's how we're gonna find out. If you're viewing it from the UK and you have to do all this and you tell me a kid that's gonna, a 19 year old kid is not gonna take a selfie, upload his driver's license and a credit card later. Information hacked. So somebody hacks the. The porn site later and has all this customer information and publishes a list of who's who and what you like watching. No, no, no one's going to do that. So it has an effect of having a positive effect taking the underage viewership away, at least we hope, you know. And I think they're discovering that when you're trying to, you know, put some big marketing thrust to increase your sales and penetrate the youth market and you're unsuccessful, you're gonna see your sales go down and you're gonna take.

[Vinny]

I just ask. I just want. Because I'm sorry, because I have to take a step back. The owner of pornhub is a rabbi. And who's the girl next to him that I saw rocking across on her chest? Who is that? Wait, she works.

[Pat McAfee]

You never watched?

[Vinny]

I was. I didn't.

[Pat McAfee]

She's a nun once. No, she's not enough.

[Vinny]

No, no. But I'm. I'm just curious in the.

[Adam Sosnick]

I mean, there's an imam right there that's running the town.

[Vinny]

Hold on, I'm curious. I'm dead serious.

[Pat McAfee]

That.

[Vinny]

Is that cool for a rabbi to own? Like. Not for me. No, I'm just saying in general.

[Pat McAfee]

This is the owner. This is who we had Solomon.

[Adam Sosnick]

What?

[Pat McAfee]

He's the owner? Yeah.

[Adam Sosnick]

He's a lawyer.

[Vinny]

I swear to you, I had no idea.

[Pat McAfee]

You've never seen this criminal lawyer. Okay, you have to watch.

[Vinny]

I'm going to. Number one. But number two, a rabbi is a religious guy.

[Pat McAfee]

You have to. And no, but hang on a second. I ask him all those questions. You should go watch.

[Vinny]

I swear to you, I'm going to watch it.

[Pat McAfee]

You should go watch. It's actually such an interesting interview.

[Vinny]

Okay. And who's the girl sitting next to.

[Pat McAfee]

Somebo that's been with them for many, many years?

[Vinny]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

When I bought it, they. When I watched it, they had just bought it. It's not like they've owned it for 15 years. Yeah, yeah, they had just bought it. And they, you know, the, the. The. The company was going through challenges. They saw this as an opportunity to clean it up and be able to do so. They added new technology to it. Yeah, Rob, but do you remember some of the stuff that I said in the conversation with this guy? Did you find it or no?

[Tom Ellsworth]

This is crazy. I think I found a portion. Hang on one second.

[Vinny]

I'm going to watch it tonight.

[Tom Ellsworth]

He's got Rabbi Ben Booty. This interview, you know, on his staff.

[Pat McAfee]

You're gonna love this interview.

[Vinny]

And she's. By the way, I'm not. I'm not pointing. I'm just pointing out. And she's wearing a cross on her neck.

[Pat McAfee]

That. That made it very uncomfortable. That's weird, bro. I see. You know what I asked? I said, arson is your goal to get people to stop making porn? I said, your goal isn't for people to make porn. Right. You want people to stop making porn and go have normal lives. Well, no, we think this is actually an honorable profession. That's when they lost me. I said, wait a minute. If they're on. Are you guys helping people to stop making porn? That was the question. Rob, play the clip. While the video is being shot. There needs to be someone saying before we do this scene, this is what it is. I am at this age. We're shooting it at this age. Here's how old I am. And here's how old he is. I am 22 years old. He is 24 years old. I'm 21 years old. He's 19 years old. This is what's about to happen. Then you could say, yes, 100, we know. And then you have to see, is that ID being verified on an ID website to be able to. The ability to check. So now let's go back to the other Question. What is the business model of pornhub? I don't know what the business model point. How do you guys make money? It's an ad supported platform primarily. So it's not a membership, it's an ad supported. That's right.

[Vinny]

So ELO as a company we have.

[Pat McAfee]

Got it across ad supported and then we have subscription based sites like yeah, we can stop.

[Vinny]

I mean that cross is burning on her chest.

[Pat McAfee]

It's really worth watching, I promise. Seriously is worth watching.

[Vinny]

Oh my God.

[Pat McAfee]

To learn more about. I was so curious about this and we had another one. We had Layla Micklewait, who's the lawyer that sued them. Yeah. Do you know about the pretty girl?

[Vinny]

Yeah, I remember somebody that was pretty.

[Pat McAfee]

In the middle of the podcast, Rob thought it was a good idea to go to pornhub.com oh great.

[Adam Sosnick]

Yeah. Quote unquote research.

[Pat McAfee]

Actually dead serious.

[Vinny]

He went on.

[Pat McAfee]

It wasn't his idea. I said no, you can go to. You're not going to get in trouble. So he goes to pornhub.com and I'm like, did you know on the home page there's everything. I thought there's like a disclosure before you go.

[Vinny]

No, they just jump right.

[Adam Sosnick]

Didn't know that Pat.

[Vinny]

Yeah, they just jump right in.

[Adam Sosnick]

Rob was doing his due diligence anyway.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, all right.

[Adam Sosnick]

The, the regarding this porn and what they're doing, I actually think it's. I'm okay with the UK doing this. I mean as much as they're curbing free speech in the uk, I actually love that they're doing it, curbing access to pornhub. So here's some stats for you. The most likely to watch porn are 18 to 34 year old men. They're two and a half more like times more likely to watch porn than women. Apparently there's a sharp decline after age 55, but you still might make jokes. The Internet in my opinion should be 18 plus because 18 to buy a pack of cigarettes or 21 to drink. I would argue that things you can see on the Internet and the things you can experience on social media are way worse. Way worse. Talk about hiding kids from harmful content. Look, back in the day we all remember being a 14 year old boy, 15 year old boy, what you would do to get a Playboy magazine. Let's all get it twisted. It. I mean I know young men that would cut off their young their left arm. Definitely not their right arm, definitely not their right arm. Unless they had ambidextrous tendencies to get a Playboy. Now you can Go on the Internet and watch anything you'd ever wanted in the world. This is a. This is very challenging for young people. If I had kids that were 13 plus 18, you know, under 18, I'd be very, very cautious letting them anywhere near the Internet.

[Vinny]

Pretty wild.

[Adam Sosnick]

FYI, safety matter.

[Pat McAfee]

FYI, good for uk. We talk a lot of crap about UK with how they handle a lot of different things. Immigration. Good for you for doing this, right? Maybe. I don't know, maybe it's like, maybe. By the way, it kind of does make sense for UK though, because of the increased level of Muslims in uk. Maybe they would support for these levels of measures to go in for there not to be porn available to. For people under.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Very, very interesting. Yeah, because culturally that's. That's no good.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, no, no. That's not, that's not. That's no good for them. But look, there's a lot of angles I could go right now. Let's. Let's just make. Let's just make this about this right now and we'll go on to some of the other stories. All right, next story, next story. I want to get into French influencer. Folks. This is one of the darkest stories I've seen in a long time. And you don't normally will say, this person's doing dumb things. I don't know if you put anything above this. So this is a guy that's an influencer in France going around with a needle shooting people up. And there's no.

[Vinny]

No. He's dead serious, by the way.

[Pat McAfee]

So let me just read the story to you.

[Adam Sosnick]

Okay?

[Pat McAfee]

French influencer Amin Mojito, decent last name. Sentenced to prison after terrifying syringe pranks videos. What? Okay, so I see this. I'm like, there's no way this is real French. And Rose, real name is Elon M. Was recently sentenced to jail following outrage and fear that was generated in France from his syringe prank videos. The Paris Criminal Court made the ruling on Friday, October 3rd and sentenced the 27 year old to 12 months in prison, of which 6 months shall be served in custody and the rest suspended. Mojito was also fined fifteen hundred dollars and prohibited from possessing or carrying a gun for three years. This prankster went viral when he posted clips where he spoofed injecting bystanders with empty syringes on Parisian street. They went viral just days before the county's Feta del Music World Music Day in June, when France was on edge enough due to unfounded rumors of attack involving needles at festivals and student parties. Just, by the way, earmuffs. If you can't watch stuff like this, don't do it. I'm giving you the warning, but here's the clip. Go ahead. Rob, look what he does. Adam, look.

[Vinny]

But he's stabbing you, bro. Look at that. What's going in your mind? I was just stabbed.

[Adam Sosnick]

Like, look like.

[Vinny]

Look at what the. Bro.

[Pat McAfee]

Look.

[Vinny]

What the bro look like.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God, bro.

[Adam Sosnick]

This guy deserves every ass whooping he could possibly get.

[Pat McAfee]

I honestly don't think the amount of crime he got is not enough.

[Adam Sosnick]

Oh, I fully agree with you.

[Pat McAfee]

I think 12 months is nothing. I think this is like October.

[Adam Sosnick]

Oh, whoop his ass. Whoop his ass.

[Vinny]

Dude.

[Pat McAfee]

Dude. What is wrong with this guy?

[Vinny]

Like, bro, bro.

[Adam Sosnick]

This guy's neck. Dude.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you kidding me?

[Tom Ellsworth]

What the.

[Vinny]

What the. Like, like in your head, you're like, what do I. What did he give me? Aids. Remember that guy that was written down putting HIV into people? Let me. Let me. Can I be dead serious with you? I. My. You know, I would have.

[Pat McAfee]

Blood pressure's gone.

[Vinny]

I'm telling you right now. I would have shot him. He's lucky he's doing it there.

[Tom Ellsworth]

What did you just say?

[Vinny]

I would have shot him.

[Tom Ellsworth]

What if he does this in Texas?

[Vinny]

No.

[Adam Sosnick]

Oh, bro, let me explain something to you.

[Vinny]

When it comes to my.

[Tom Ellsworth]

One of those 10 people is.

[Vinny]

I would have won. Listen, put all the. Still practicing Christian, he's trying to kill me because I don't know what the hell is in there. Hiv, whatever the hell, bro. Poison. I'm going to.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, he got his 12 months.

[Vinny]

How about this? The guy that's in on it, with him recording, he should be in jail, too.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And the judge called him.

[Vinny]

You're an accomplice for sure.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Oh, my Menace.

[Vinny]

The judge said, just for anybody out there that's armed. Rob. I'm really curious. Rob. Can we. Can we ask our audience? Pat, Just regular, concealed or open carry now in Florida, carry. If a guy with a mask is approaching you with the syringe to hit you, are you going to shoot him?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think. Look, we're not inside.

[Vinny]

No, I'm not.

[Pat McAfee]

We're not recommending.

[Vinny]

No, I'm not.

[Pat McAfee]

Let me ask the question. This is a better way of asking a question. What would you do if somebody did, Rob, do that? What would you do? You're. You're in. You're with your girl, you're with your wife, you're with your kids. Somebody comes and puts a needle in your wife's arm.

[Vinny]

Oh, my God. Or your kid.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't even want. I don't even. I can't even tell you where my.

[Vinny]

Mind is going crazy that he's doing that.

[Adam Sosnick]

Let me tell you.

[Vinny]

And you're right.

[Adam Sosnick]

Deserves every ass whooping he could have possibly gotten. You notice he didn't do it to any big, strong, tough, masculine dudes. It was always like, women or like, old guys sitting down. Anyone would try to hunt this guy down. But it just goes to show, this whole get rich quick, go viral quick, same sort of lifestyle thing.

[Vinny]

It's gonna.

[Adam Sosnick]

It's. It's this click bait, attention, eyeball mentality. It has this very deep, dark side. Like, you've seen pranks where, like, we've talked about this guy. The guy goes. And he's like, what's up, essay? You got a problem? And he's, like, joking with these guys. Then he gets his ass whooped. Or maybe he gets over. So, like, some people take these pranks.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Adam Sosnick]

Way too far, in my opinion. They set a horrible precedent with this. He had to pay 1500 pounds.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[Adam Sosnick]

And 1500 Euro. And he's only getting 6 to 12 months in jail living. This guy's gonna come out of jail and do this crap 100. Because this is what.

[Tom Ellsworth]

He's making an important point.

[Adam Sosnick]

This guy needs to be shamed and condemned and set an example.

[Vinny]

Well, if that happened to me.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Making an important point about the. About likes and pranks, you know, in that there's. It's a slippery slope. Because, Adam, you're right. Each prank has got to be bigger and weirder and odder than the next one to get even more likes. And you go down the slippery sub till you have a guy that's actually doing this. Whereas if he was in a place like Texas or Florida, where a lot of people carry. All you need is 1 out of 10 to draw down and flinch. That's all you need. And I don't wish that on him. But I'm just saying the consequences of just freaking people out.

[Pat McAfee]

You know where this takes me, by the way? Comments section. You guys are unbelievably funny. What people are saying, even though this is not a funny topic. Rob, do you remember when Suge Knight comes out of jail? Okay. And he goes on Kimmel. Okay, have you seen this? And what he says, don't say anything. I want to see if they haven't seen it. I want them to. Have you ever seen this? Okay, let me show this.

[Adam Sosnick]

I've definitely not watched Kimmel, so that's.

[Pat McAfee]

Probably why you're talking about 15 years ago. Okay, so he's on. He goes on Jimmy Kimmel. That's it, Rob, good for you. There you go. Watch this. Go ahead.

[Vinny]

Right, right.

[Pat McAfee]

Why the bulletproof vest?

[Vinny]

Oh, it's not. Oh, no, that's just. It's because, you know, style.

[Pat McAfee]

You've been in the camera for a while. Listen, all the talk your hosts are wearing. This is a new thing, right?

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

See if somebody gonna do something about it.

[Adam Sosnick]

See, technology is so high. Right, Right. So if you shoot somebody, you go to jail forever. So the kids, you don't want to.

[Pat McAfee]

Go to jail forever.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Right.

[Adam Sosnick]

So they got this new thing out that people sell them all the time. They got this stuff they call.

[Pat McAfee]

They get blood from somebody with AIDS and then they shoot you with it. Oh, that's a slow death.

[Adam Sosnick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Easy, Easy thing. You know what I mean?

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Adam Sosnick]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

He said, said that you've never seen.

[Adam Sosnick]

This.

[Vinny]

Easy E thing. Oh, he even had it. I didn't know.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the Easy E thing.

[Vinny]

Because somebody got.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Kid Frost is telling a story of e's on the 8th floor of this hospital, which was the AIDS thing. People would only go on the eighth floor if it was aids. One of his girls was calling Kid Frosting. Easy's on the eighth floor. And Kit Frost tells this exact story and says, there's a guy in hip hop, they call him the Devil. He says the people who know this, they know who I'm talking about. It's a seven minute clip. I've had Kid Frost on a podcast before. We had him on 10 years.

[Vinny]

And what's this double guy doing?

[Adam Sosnick]

No, no, he's saying this guy goes the devil.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, going around. So anyways, this needle joke is not a real. This is. This is not a. This is. This is. This is not terrible joke to play. And the crime used to be a much higher crime than what that guy got. That is just absolutely insane when you think about that. Anyways, let's get to the next story here. Back to back. Highs. August says September bring in $62.6 billion of revenue in tariffs. Okay, back to back. And with the $62.6 billion of tariffs that the US government collected last two months, the President is now floating an idea of handing out. Well, I'll let him tell you. Go ahead, Rob. Your tariffs are going to be over a trillion dollars a year, in my opinion. We're going to do something. We're looking at something where, number one, we're paying down debt because people have allowed the debt to go crazy. But you know, with growth, with the kind of growth we have now, the debt is very little, relatively speaking. You grow yourself out of that debt. It's not a question of paying it. You grow yourself out, out. And the numbers are so much bigger than they ever were. The numbers we have now are bigger.

[Adam Sosnick]

Than they ever were.

[Pat McAfee]

So when you have $36 trillion in debt a year ago or two years ago and you have a lot less revenue coming in, then you have 37 or 38.

[Tom Ellsworth]

It's not 38 yet, but it will be.

[Pat McAfee]

And the numbers are so much bigger, all of a sudden 38, you're under levered, whereas for 36 you were highly levered. We're not highly leveraged now with that.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Being said, we'll pay back debt, but.

[Pat McAfee]

We also might make a distribution to the people, almost like a dividend to the people of America.

[Vinny]

How much are you thinking for that, sir?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, we're thinking maybe $1,000 to $2,000. Be great. Another, can you imagine a thousand to $2,000 okay. To send out to people with the tariffs. So what happened to all the people that were screaming about the tariffs down?

[Vinny]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Pat McAfee]

Where are those guys? Yeah, where did they go? Now don't get me wrong, some prices are up, okay, because of tariffs. It's not like some industries are not taking hit. I'm trying to buy a watch and the guy is saying, pat, the it's a very well known brand. People know what the brand is. So he's going back and forth not buying directly from them. And he says the reason why this watch is not here yet is they're waiting for the tariffs to change in the next few months before they ship it out. Because right now the tariffs are very high on this. So some industries are definitely taking a hit on tariffs. There's no question about it. But the reality of it is, you know what people are realizing every once in a while when you change the comp plan and your sales team at first is like, eh, I don't know if this is going to be real. I don't know if it's going to be permanent. It's probably just a temporary comp plan. Sometimes it takes 3, 612 months for people to realize this thing is here to stay. I better make some adjustments. They want my quality of business to improve. So I think that's what they're doing. It's obvious now it's not going away. Tom, your thoughts on this?

[Tom Ellsworth]

Vinnie, let's do some math. But.

[Vinny]

Oh damn It.

[Pat McAfee]

I was having such a great Monday morning.

[Adam Sosnick]

Okay.

[Vinny]

Okay, go.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Why is there a tariff? Because stuff's coming from over there to over here. So. So we've got.

[Adam Sosnick]

You've already lost Vinny Tom.

[Tom Ellsworth]

So they have to pay tariffs here. Go the government. Yeah. So you are a manufacturer, so you don't want to make it over there anymore because it gets tariff coming over here. And then you sell it to Americans.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Tom Ellsworth]

So what if you start making it over here?

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Who do you need to help you make it?

[Vinny]

America.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Americans.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Because you give them jobs.

[Vinny]

I did. Good.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And guess what? Good the tariff go. Money goes down because you're no longer making them over there. Okay. And paying a tariff over here. Now, people over here called American workers jobs or have jobs, and they're paying taxes to the government.

[Adam Sosnick]

Yes.

[Tom Ellsworth]

So now the government gets the money that way. So tariffs is a way to pull jobs back over here. And as Pat said, there's an adjustment so you don't have to do the math. You can just do the steps. Thank God you say we're collecting tariff now. And so if Americans really want that product, that product, that product, that product, and there's a tariff on it that's going to be built into the price. However, over long term, Vinnie, the business owner, says, maybe I should figure out a way to make it over here. And I'll employ American workers and I'll make it over here. And you'll select areas where you could pay a certain wage because housing is a certain price. And so it creates this effect, this incentive. And that's what Pat's talking about. The. You put together a compensation plan, and all of a sudden your salespeople go, oh, wait a minute. If I sell these products, I get a little bit better commission than selling these products. Well, guess what? Then I'm going to get good at presenting and talking to customers and selling these products. That's how it works. And so what's happening here is phase one is working, and then phase two is how many American companies want to figure out how to put the jobs over here. It won't always be easy. Real estate may be expensive. It's expensive to build and worker wages and everything over here that we should pay so people can live. Yeah, that's correct. But work your way out of it and bring those jobs back home. And that is exactly what the President's doing. And it's having a success to the point where now he's looking at it and saying, you know what? The tariffs will work so well. What If I give everybody a thousand, two thousand, like tariff benefit, whether it's on your taxes or some other way. Guess what? He's not printing money like Biden says, hey, sorry, Covid has messed up your life. Here's 1400 bucks. He's saying, hey, we're changing the playing field for America. Here's a little sugar.

[Pat McAfee]

They can't do that, Tom. I just did the math because if they give $2,000, how many working people do you think he has to give it to?

[Tom Ellsworth]

I think they're. I didn't see it, but I'm not assuming it's population. I'm assuming it's like tax paying unit or households.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, I'm assuming so. How many households would it be?

[Tom Ellsworth]

Probably barely 110. 115.

[Pat McAfee]

115 million, I think. Do you know that's $200 billion? He can't make these types of promises. If he can deliver. To send a thousand, $2,000, that's a 200. You do $2,000 and the math has to work, otherwise.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Otherwise you're Joe Biden.

[Pat McAfee]

No, the math doesn't work. So if you do $2,000 times 100 and okay, he's got 132 million households here. 2,000 times 132 million households, you're looking at $264 billion. That's the first year revenue of tariffs has gone. I don't think it's a good idea. And I think if they were going to send it to anybody, I think you have to be selective on who you send it to, but. Or you just don't do it. Yeah, we can't afford to send $260 billion. Adam, do you have any thoughts on this story?

[Adam Sosnick]

Yeah, well, it reminds me of the story that the time where you actually, during the Trump tax cuts.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Adam Sosnick]

When you rewarded employees, you said for every month that you were with me, you're going to give them 100 bucks. So some people ended up getting thousands of dollars, I would assume. So you definitely want to reward loyalty. You definitely want to reward people on your side. You actually also want to reward people for staying the course on, you know, sort of going with you. At the same time, they do have a math problem. I don't know how this is going to work. I don't know how this is going to help inflation. I don't know how this is going to help our debt. I don't understand how that's going to work. But I do like the idea of rewarding people who have been with you. But I will give Trump credit. The numbers just came out. This was the end of September where They said the US GDP expanded at a strong 3.8% pace in the second quarter. And that was revised because they actually predicted it'd be closer to 3.3%. So it was actually 3.8, which is almost 4. They thought it would be 3.3, which is closer to 3. And if you know anything about dynamic growth in our country, average GDP annualized is somewhere between 2 and 3%. Meaning we're doing good in America.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Adam Sosnick]

In the second quarter. So we'll see what happens for the rest of the year. But for all the people that were like, after, what was it? Independence Day? Not Independence Day. What did Trump call it? When it's going to be the certain day where. Liberation Day. Liberation Day. Everyone was like, oh, my God, the tariffs. What's going to happen? Turns out we're taking in money. Turns out that inflation has not risen. It turns out that employment is doing okay. Turns out the Fed has cut rates. Turns out that Trump was right about everything.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's get to the next thing here. All right, Bad Bunny, folks. I know.

[Adam Sosnick]

Oh, darling.

[Pat McAfee]

You guys got a few months left to learn how to speak Spanish. That's. That's what he's telling you. Rob, can we play those clips or no? I don't.

[Adam Sosnick]

We can play the Bad Bunny one.

[Pat McAfee]

So Bad Bunny trolls maga critics of his super bowl halftime show while hosting Saturday Night Live. And he took a shot at Fox News, and you have to hear what he had to say at Fox News. But Bad Bunny mocked his critics with Fox News. I'll just let you watch the clip and we'll react to it. Go ahead, Rob.

[Vinny]

I'm very excited to be doing the.

[Adam Sosnick]

Super bowl, and I know that people.

[Vinny]

All around the world who love my music are also happy. Those people are just randomly in the audience, by the way.

[Pat McAfee]

Random.

[Adam Sosnick]

Pero my people here in America that are working hard, doing their thing.

[Vinny]

I want a burrito so bad right now.

[Adam Sosnick]

I'm so hungry.

[Vinny]

If you didn't understand what I just.

[Pat McAfee]

Said.

[Vinny]

You have four months to learn.

[Pat McAfee]

We have a great show for you tonight.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Just so you guys know.

[Adam Sosnick]

I don't know if you've ever been to snl.

[Tom Ellsworth]

There's applause, signs.

[Adam Sosnick]

So the.

[Pat McAfee]

The.

[Adam Sosnick]

Every time the audience is cheering when.

[Tom Ellsworth]

He'S speaking Spanish, they're being cued by the staff at SNL to cheer.

[Adam Sosnick]

It's not like those people actually understood.

[Tom Ellsworth]

What Bad Bunny was saying.

[Adam Sosnick]

Maybe some of them did, but they're.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Being Cued to cheer by the people at snl. They are usually warmed up by local comics that come on and do three minutes each, give or take. And sometimes members of their own cast will come out. I don't know if, if you're, if our friend who's been on here from Miami has done it, but they usually get them really warmed up before they, they go out.

[Pat McAfee]

So, Adam, thoughts?

[Adam Sosnick]

So what is exactly the problem with Bad Bony performing at the Super Bowl? I want to understand this so I can fully embrace what the argument is. Is the fact that he's not, quote, unquote American, he's Puerto Rican. Is the fact that he doesn't love Trump. Like, what's the criticism?

[Pat McAfee]

Have you, have you heard what he said or.

[Adam Sosnick]

No, I want, I want to know what is it that's triggering people? Yeah, I've heard, I've heard comments.

[Pat McAfee]

What have you heard? What have you heard about the comments he's made? What have you heard about comments he's made that's upset conservatives?

[Adam Sosnick]

So that's what I'm asking for clarification on. I've heard comments, but nothing has been so radical that I'm like, oh, my God, cancel him from the Super Bowl.

[Pat McAfee]

Such as what? What have you heard?

[Adam Sosnick]

So why don't you tell me some of the comments that you're asking a question.

[Pat McAfee]

This is your story, so you circled it. So don't. If you're circling that, that's your story. Don't start off with a question. Make the comment.

[Adam Sosnick]

No, sir.

[Pat McAfee]

What comment you have on this, because this is your story.

[Adam Sosnick]

So what I'm asking is, why are people so upset by this? Let's just get first things first.

[Pat McAfee]

Go for it.

[Adam Sosnick]

Do I condone everything he said ever about ice and Trump? No. But at the same time, I acknowledge this is one of the biggest musical artists in the world, period. Okay. And that doesn't mean he should be excused from saying horrible things. But let's be very careful. Cancel culturing people because you don't like what they have to say. So let's not forget the NFL because he's going to potentially be forming at the Super Bowl. This is a global brand. If you've noticed anything about the NFL games they've had this season, Mexico, Germany, London, they're trying to expand their brand and they would love to expand it into Latin America so they can start playing football and play American football. So whether it's the World cup, whether it's the Olympics, these are global brands. So to say that you don't Want a global superstar who's dating, by the way, one of the Jenner chicks, Kendall Jenner, because he said some not favorable things about Trump, I think is a little feckless. Now, am I an advocate of someone that talks shit about America? Hell, no. But I'm not gonna cancel somebody because you don't agree with their opinion. That's un American to me. So if there's something that he said that I'm unaware of that is completely uncalled for, I'd love to hear it. But critiquing ice and critiquing Trump is not grounds for firing someone from the Super Bowl.

[Vinny]

Not from firing. But, Adam, you look at your audience who is watching football?

[Adam Sosnick]

The world.

[Vinny]

No, it's Americans. Americans. As if Bud Light didn't get the message. Like, just. Let's just think about this. Why would you take something like Bud Light and put Gay beyond gain as Dylan Mulvanian, meaning you Bud Light as a company, they listen to one person in there.

[Adam Sosnick]

Bad Bunny is the equivalent of Dylan Mulvaney.

[Vinny]

No, no. What I'm saying is. No, what I'm saying. Well, by the way, if you've been following, Bad Bunny used to be dope. He got into Hollywood. Now he's wearing dresses all the time.

[Adam Sosnick]

Oh, you know who else did that in Hollywood? Every dude ever. That's Hollywood.

[Vinny]

No. By the way. And doing satanic worshiping videos.

[Adam Sosnick]

I'm with you.

[Vinny]

And then guess what? And that's what you're gonna be. But that's the hot. But the super bowl halftime show is supposed to be entertainment, and this is supposed to be. But by the way, football is an American sport. You're gonna bring a guy that's basically telling America. I'm just saying it from a. From an advertising point of view. Yo. Yup. You guys better learn Spanish in four months, because that's how it's. That's.

[Adam Sosnick]

Bro, that's a joke. You're a comedian. He's on snl.

[Tom Ellsworth]

He's joking.

[Adam Sosnick]

He's not saying america, start learning Spanish.

[Vinny]

Well, guess what?

[Adam Sosnick]

It's a joke.

[Vinny]

You think he's going to be singing in English or in Spanish?

[Adam Sosnick]

I think he's going to be singing all his hits, which are in Spanish.

[Vinny]

Okay, so guess what? So what I'm saying is. And by the way, did you know that the stuff that he said about ice and stuff and about the ice and in Puerto Rico, he was talking crap about them. He said there was an issue like effing ice could be outside my concert. He said strong criticism against them often he's called ICE and Puerto Rico. Sons of bitches. Sorry for my language and arrested people. Most of Dominicans on the island stuff. But Adam, my point being, listen, all.

[Adam Sosnick]

Those words are fine. Dude, people say that about Trump. People say that about asking me.

[Vinny]

But you're asking.

[Adam Sosnick]

We believe in free speech here, don't we?

[Vinny]

But, but. And another angle, Adam, this is the NFL. These are the same people that have to have end racism and all this stuff. This is to me that what of all the people that you could pick, why Bad Bunny? I think this is also an FU to Donald Trump. An F you to Donald Trump.

[Pat McAfee]

Play this clip. Play this clip. A reaction from Chicago 1 Ray. No, it's not Christina. It's actually somebody you would like to look at and where she's talking about why she is not happy about Bad Bunny.

[Adam Sosnick]

Let's hear it.

[Pat McAfee]

Performing at the Super Bowl. Rob, if you got the clip please go ahead and play it and let's see what you have to say. Go ahead, Rob. So the NFL picked Bad Bunny for the 2026 Super bowl halftime show. But let me be so real. I had never even heard of him.

[Adam Sosnick]

I thought so she's automatically.

[Pat McAfee]

Stop.

[Adam Sosnick]

Okay, go ahead. Sorry.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe some type of influencer. It turns out he is actually a Trump hating anti ICE activist who doesn't.

[Vinny]

Even sing any English.

[Pat McAfee]

But look at him. We know why they picked him, right? Here's a fact. He refused to tour America because he said ICE might be outside of one of his concerts. And that's who the NFL thinks should represent on America's biggest stage. Hey NFL, do you even know your audience? Your fans love God, country and football, not open borders and world politics. You could have have picked anyone to bring people together, but you went with someone who openly trashes conservatives and mocks the values of your core fans. This is a middle finger to every American who still believes in faith, family and freedom. So congrats NFL. You just turned the super bowl halftime show into a political protest yet again. Adam, go ahead.

[Adam Sosnick]

Well, I mean if I'm her and I'm probably have her audience and beautiful girl, she's doing Identity Politics 101. The fact that she goes, I've never even heard of Bad Bunny. You're disqualified, sweetheart. That's like someone saying what we're having a Beyonce perform. I've never even heard of this person. He's the biggest Latino artist in the world. And the fact that you don't know who that is is testament to the fact that maybe you're living in some sort of a bubble. My mom knows. And I fully agree that he should not make those comments. I fully agree that you should be pro American. But at the same time, do you.

[Pat McAfee]

Think at the end of the video.

[Tom Ellsworth]

She sound pretty well researched?

[Pat McAfee]

Let me. Let me.

[Adam Sosnick]

The fact that she didn't know who Bad Bunny was.

[Pat McAfee]

Let me ask.

[Adam Sosnick]

She's disqualified.

[Pat McAfee]

Let me ask the question in a different way. Maybe let me ask the question a different way because she's wrong. Bad Bunny is massive. Not a little bit massive. Rob, can you just go on YouTube and type in Bad Bunny and then go to search for views Bad Bunny. And then go to filter and go to views and look how many views his biggest hits have gotten. Okay, zoom in a little bit. 3.5 billion. No, zoom in a little bit, Rob. 2.4 billion. Go to the next one. 1.6 billion. Go to the next 1.6 billion. 1.6 billion. With Drake. 1.4 billion. Go to the Next. 1.3.

[Adam Sosnick]

This chick's never heard of him.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, no. And, and, but, and, and look, Dylan listens to Bad Bunny is when he, you know, since we were in Dallas, he would listen to bad money. But this guy's everywhere. That's not the point. The point is the following. I think the NFL had an opportunity, Adam. That's the main thing for me. I think the NFL had an opportunity for this year's halftime to actually speak to God, country, America, football. That's what people are saying. For me, it would have been with what just happened with Charlie Kirk. Can you imagine if the NFL brought a country singer? Okay. Brought a Morgan Wallen, brought, you know, brought a person like that. What would happen if we would have done that? It would have been pretty epic. I think timing is the key to me. You know, when it comes on to who they've had in the past. Janet Jackson, Justin Timberlake, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston a couple years ago, when they had Snoop.50. The history of Hip Hop, I actually like that one. When they did History of Hip Hop up and people were complaining about that one, but I like that one. I like when they did that. Yeah. So to me, I get her argument. I get your argument. I simply saw this as an opportunity for them to have somebody else come in, but it makes sense to me. Tom, do you have anything to say about this here?

[Adam Sosnick]

I want to.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Nothing different. I agree with you.

[Adam Sosnick]

Did you see what Krissi Noem had to say? What Krissi Noem said, The fact. The fact that the NFL won't be Able to sleep at night over the Bad Bunny super bowl performance. This is. This is just like fake outrage. Yes. This is right here.

[Pat McAfee]

You see it and you messaged the.

[Vinny]

NFL with this decision. It seems like they were trying to send a message to the Trump administration.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, they suck. And we'll win and God will bless.

[Vinny]

Us and we'll stand and be proud.

[Pat McAfee]

Of ourselves at the end of the day.

[Vinny]

And they won't be able to sleep at night because they don't know what they believe. And they're so weak.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you. Thank you, madam. Is that Benny?

[Vinny]

That's Benny.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, 2 million subscribers, Benny, but, you know. No, but let me tell you, like that right there to me is a. I think it's a. It's a. That was a weak argument to see what they said. They'll lose and we'll win and all this other stuff.

[Adam Sosnick]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

That's not where.

[Adam Sosnick]

It's just Identity Politics 101. Look, they're saying that they're going to bring ice to the super bowl because there's going to be illegal. Listen.

[Vinny]

Well, because you know what the average.

[Adam Sosnick]

Price ticket for a Super bowl is? Average. Five grand. Corporations come in there, big brands. They buy the whole place out to pretend that some random Mexican guy's like, hey, time to go to the Super Bowl. That's not happening, dog. It's the biggest, best, highest ticket around in the world stage. And you're acting like it's going to be some like, La Migra Ice situation, by the way.

[Vinny]

But they're being funny. They're being funny.

[Adam Sosnick]

0.0Case examples of the super bowl bringing anybody from the right. The Morgan Wallens of the world, the Jason Aldeans. Zero. Here are the last performers of the Super Bowl. You tell me if any of these people happen to be on the right. Kendrick Lamar was last year. You have usher Weekend, Shakira, JLo, Maroon 5, Justin Timberlake, Lady Gaga, Snoop, Drake, Rihanna. It's all left.

[Vinny]

No, it's all left.

[Adam Sosnick]

So the fact they're like, we're doing Bad Bunny, it's like, yeah, that actually makes complete sense based on the last.

[Pat McAfee]

10 years of cold player point I just made You. You missed the entire point. I just made. What happened, Rob?

[Tom Ellsworth]

He missed the entire point.

[Pat McAfee]

I heard you didn't, but it's okay.

[Adam Sosnick]

You're saying, hey, bring us a country music artist.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Adam Sosnick]

Because that's what red America wants right now.

[Pat McAfee]

That's not what I said.

[Adam Sosnick]

And the NFL is basically saying, no. We care about our money and our bottom line, Adam. And we Want the most famous person in the world.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, listen. And that's why you are Adam Sosnick.

[Adam Sosnick]

That's true, baby.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And that is why you're Adam Sosnik. You know every every 2, 3, 4, one of one who Brandon whooped your ass last Wednesday when he was on and he had 48,000 live streamers.

[Adam Sosnick]

Yeah, Brandon. That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Brandon crushed it that day. Yes, I know. I am as well. I'm telling anybody.

[Adam Sosnick]

That's exciting. It's Brandon.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm proud of him. It is a. It is a Brandon. A one on one type of guy. I fully agree. He might be performing the super bowl.

[Adam Sosnick]

This year, giving a speech.

[Pat McAfee]

The point was missed.

[Adam Sosnick]

So what was the point that I missed exactly?

[Pat McAfee]

Adam, I'm running out of time. Okay, let me see what else I got here before I wrap up.

[Tom Ellsworth]

We don't have that. Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom, boom, boom. Okay, this one I'm gonna do. And Tom, I'm only coming.

[Adam Sosnick]

I'll be at the Bad Bunny concert this weekend. You guys enjoy church?

[Pat McAfee]

Disney attendance. Says the 45 year old single man who's at the clubs every weekend, doesn't own a car, doesn't own a house and he's bragging about he's going to be a Bad Bunny. What a freaking this guy sounds to.

[Tom Ellsworth]

This you guys would be.

[Pat McAfee]

Disney attendance.

[Tom Ellsworth]

This is accurate and very telling.

[Pat McAfee]

Disney attendance plunges to an all time low for 2025 as visitors report ghost towns at parks. Okay, let's go through this. This is Disney by the way we're talking about. All right, let's go to this year. So Disney World. Okay, let me go to see here. Disney attendance. Walt Disney World logged its lowest three week stretch of the year in September, putting it on track to be the quietest month since 2021. Crowd tracker data for mid August through mid September shows average weights dropped to about 24 minutes per ride, even shorter than during the Fourth of July holiday. According to posted times from Disney, my Disney experience app aggregated by third party tracker thrilled data and analyzed by Disney tourist blog on TikTok. Some visitors described the parks as ghost towns. I'm at Magic Kingdom right now and this place is a tomb. One user said there's literally nobody here. There's no wait time for anything. Space Mountain, walk on. Haunted Mansion, walk on. Pirates of the Caribbean, walk on. The longest I've been able to wait is 30 minutes. Tom, what do you know about what's going on here?

[Tom Ellsworth]

So there's a couple things my wife, our family used to have Season passes. In Los Angeles, we love to go to Disneyland. The girls would go down there. I mean, we had season passes. Because if you go twice a year, it's worth it for the season pass versus paying for everything all at once. And in Southern California, you got California Adventure and its rides right across from Disneyland. Park in the same parking lot, you know, go down there for a whole day. And so I know what I'm talking about here. What is happening? Several angles. First, they need to understand what they have done with pricing. The pricing and the parking has had a definite impact on people. So the first point is affordability is real. The second is long term, not boycott. But preference has changed. Disney can't continue to kick its core customer in the face with the kind of content it puts out with the kind of things that come out. Both my daughters thought that that actress. Weird.

[Vinny]

Rachel Zegler. Weird, weird.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Attacking the traditional story for Snow White. Right. She was in. There has been long term impact that they have had on the viewership and the preference of the customer. It's not just, hey, boycott Bud Light this weekend because you're pissed off about Dylan Mulvaney in that can, right? No, this is a long term preference change that people are making and the expense of it. And also, you know, middle class America right now has had a long term impact of inflation. It's tough to swing a holiday like that. And if you look at all of that coming together, it's over time. Disney has strangled itself. And I now words talk. No, no, no, no, no, no. Everything's okay, but the numbers are screaming. Look at this. I mean, and it's a combination of those things. Pat and I speak from absolute experience, speaking both as a consumer and my wife.

[Pat McAfee]

Have they made the adjustment of Lauren prices?

[Vinny]

I was just going to ask that too. Are they adjusting?

[Pat McAfee]

Have they made the adjustment, Rob, of.

[Adam Sosnick]

Lauren prices in the state of Florida.

[Tom Ellsworth]

They do offer Florida passes for Florida residents at a discounted price, but nothing.

[Adam Sosnick]

For people out of state that I'm aware of.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so what is the worst season, what is the worst season for Disney World every year? Like, what month is the worst month for this? Usually, usually I would assume going back to school September.

[Tom Ellsworth]

But back, usually back to school. But also my understanding is that.

[Adam Sosnick]

When.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Florida gets blistering hot in August, it's really hard to do a whole day at Disneyland.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And I've been up there in August. It's pretty, it's, it's not Disneyland, but it's pretty, pretty impressive.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Okay, so I just asked here what is the worst? It says mid January to mid February after the holiday rush crowds drop sharply. Okay, I see that. Late August through mid September, school is back in session. Hurricane season starts. Heat, humidity is brutal.

[Adam Sosnick]

So just now.

[Pat McAfee]

So which is now. Right, Exactly. So what is. What in the last. In the last 10 years, what is the worst month Disney World has had outside of COVID season? Okay, let's see what it says.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And as we look at this, Pat, you and I like to look at sales stats, like, year over year. So even if it's a tough time of year, year over year, they're having challenges.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Is there. Is there, Is there? By the way, can you. Can you. I don't know how to run this poll, though. I guess what I'd want to know is people who used to go, who no longer goes, like, I don't go to Disney. Not because of any of the stuff with. I'm not going to go there and have a bunch of transgender people walking around. We went to Universal, and I'm all about going to Universal. I love the Universal in LA when we go to it.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Believe it or not, as weird as it sounds, when we went to Universal la, there was no transgender stuff.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

When we went to Universal in Florida, it was a bunch of transgender.

[Tom Ellsworth]

I was with you.

[Adam Sosnick]

And they.

[Tom Ellsworth]

It wasn't just a random dude. So before everybody checks in the comments, it was not a random guy doing it. 20 of them, they had park attendants. And you just. Same way that when there's an attendant around Winnie the Pooh, when he walks around, because you're not supposed to touch them. You're not supposed to, like, you know, of course. You're not supposed to interact physically.

[Vinny]

Yeah.

[Adam Sosnick]

Yeah.

[Tom Ellsworth]

You're not supposed to do it. So they have park attendants that are with them. Excuse me, please. Step.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Tom Ellsworth]

And so Mickey Mouse leans down, takes a picture, puts a little arm around your kid, so there's things he can and can't do. This was a trans demonstration with park attendance. It was part of the experience.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's going on there. Anyways, gang. All right, so it is 11:31. We're going to wrap up. We're going to do this again on Rob. Do we have Wednesday? We may have a special guest tomorrow. Right. If I'm not mistaken.

[Tom Ellsworth]

Working on it, trying to confirm.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Is that the research that we're doing this afternoon?

[Adam Sosnick]

Yes, but that won't go out till Thursday.

[Pat McAfee]

That won't go out till Thursday. Okay, so we'll stay tuned, folks. Either way, it could be a interesting interview that's coming up this week. God bless, everybody. Take care. Bye bye. Bye, bye.