Jimmy Kimmel OFF-AIR, Netanyahu DENIES Charlie Kirk Conspiracy & Trump TARGETS Ilhan Omar | PBD Podcast | Ep. 652

Summary

PBD Podcast Episode 652 Summary

Date: September 19, 2025
Episode: Jimmy Kimmel OFF-AIR, Netanyahu DENIES Charlie Kirk Conspiracy & Trump TARGETS Ilhan Omar
Host: Patrick Bet-David (PBD)
Co-hosts: Tom, Adam, Vinny, Rob

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Episode Overview

This high-energy episode tackles the fallouts from Jimmy Kimmel’s abrupt ouster at ABC, the evolving conspiracy and international response following conservative activist Charlie Kirk’s assassination, and Donald Trump’s pointed shots at Ilhan Omar. The hosts move across media controversies, political blame games, free speech boundaries, and economic updates, dissecting recent events and their deeper implications for America.

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1. Jimmy Kimmel's Firing: The Death of Late Night’s Neutrality

[10:03 - 29:40]

Key Discussion Points

• Kimmel Fired by ABC:

  • ABC moved on from Jimmy Kimmel after controversial remarks blaming MAGA supporters for Charlie Kirk’s murder.
  • Kimmel refused to apologize or moderate his tone, reportedly planning to double down on MAGA attacks.
  • Decision primarily driven by pressure from advertisers, affiliates, and plummeting late-night ratings, not just the FCC or "free speech" blowback.

• Industry Context:

  • Late night TV is increasingly unprofitable due to streaming, generational shifts, and politicization.
  • Kimmel’s contract was up soon, and the controversy gave ABC "the reason they needed" to cut ties.
  • Discussion of previous late-night legends, especially Johnny Carson’s philosophy of steering clear of politics:

    “Once you start that, you get that self-important feeling... you could use that show as a forum. You could sway people, and I don’t think you should as an entertainer.”
    – Johnny Carson ([13:20])

• Lack of Comedy/Imbalance of Political Targets:

  • Stephen A. Smith and the hosts: Kimmel isn’t funny anymore—just partisan.
  • Late-night imbalance: Out of 172 Colbert guests, only one was (nominally) conservative.
  • The solution? Hire genuinely funny, apolitical or centrist talent.

    “Why not...try a conservative person that’s in the middle, that’s just funny?” – Vinny ([19:03])

Notable Quotes

• “Go be a pundit, go apply and work at CNN. Go start a podcast and compete...But man, we want to watch you and we want you to make us laugh.” – PBD ([12:16])
• “Not funny, no money, bro. No laughs, no cash.” – Adam ([28:38])

Memorable Moment

• The team compares viral animal comedy videos’ millions of views to the declining reach of late-night shows ([26:06]).

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2. Free Speech vs. Hate Speech: The Boundaries Under Fire

[34:29 - 49:06]

Key Discussion Points

• Pam Bondi’s ‘Hate Speech’ Stance:

  • Florida AG Pam Bondi gets criticized for suggesting new crackdowns on hate speech after the Kirk assassination.
  • The team strongly rebukes attempts to conflate hate speech with illegal speech, emphasizing the First Amendment’s breadth.

    “There’s no such thing as hate speech, guys...that’s not a legal category under the Constitution.” – Vinny ([35:11]) “What’s not protected is incitement of violence...You threaten a president, that’s illegal...but beyond that, that’s the price of free speech.” – Tom ([37:57])

• Global Perspective:

  • Contrast with UK/Europe, where hate speech often leads to arrest.

• Social Consequences:

  • The panel agrees: offensive speech has consequences, but legal lines remain clear—inciting violence is the threshold.

Notable Quotes

• “Be very nice to some of the people that don’t have power right now, because one day they will.” – Sonny Franzese (via PBD’s mob story, [41:30])
• “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” – Hanlon’s Razor, cited by PBD ([112:19])

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3. Conspiracy Theories & Political Blame After Charlie Kirk’s Death

[53:03 - 109:16]

Key Discussion Points

• Who Gets the Blame?

  • Media figures (e.g., Keith Olbermann) blame Trump, ABC/Disney for “turning MAGA.”
  • Left blames right; right blames left; Russia, China, and Iran actively stoke division online.

• Mainstream Reaction vs. Fringe Accusations:

  • Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, and others speculate about potential Israeli involvement, with no evidence.
  • Bill Ackman releases texts to debunk “blackmail” or pressure from him or others toward Kirk.
  • Netanyahu makes an unusually prompt public statement fully denying any Israeli connection:

    “This is insane. It is false. It is outrageous. Charlie Kirk was a giant...who defended freedom” – Benjamin Netanyahu ([97:32])

• The Panel’s Approach:

  • Broad skepticism of all narratives—calls for patience, logic, and waiting for real evidence.

    “If you’re out there saying that...Israel had him assassinated, show it to me. And guess what? I’ll be with you.” – Vinny ([99:25])

  • “Hanlon’s Razor” invoked as an antidote to paranoia.

• Media Self-Policing:

  • Both CNN's Kaitlan Collins and comedians/podcasters are critiqued for not admitting when they get facts or tone wrong.
  • The importance of acknowledging mistakes and not inciting violence underscored.

Notable Quotes

• “We need more unifiers. We need more synergists. Let’s find common ground.” – Adam ([63:59])
• “Never attribute malice, that which is adequately explained by stupidity...encouraging empathy and a benefit of the doubt mindset.” – Hanlon’s Razor ([112:18])

Memorable Moment

• Clips of Bassem Youssef (comedian) versus CNN and political pundits:

  “Because it’s the Internet and I’m a comedian.” ([52:42])

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4. Trump’s Attack on Ilhan Omar and Immigrant Politicians

[70:26 – 80:32]

Key Discussion Points

• Trump Calls for Ilhan Omar’s Impeachment:

  • On Truth Social, Trump rails against Omar for alleged anti-Americanism; brings up her background, wealth, and family.
  • Criticism centers on perceived hypocrisy: an immigrant criticizing America after finding success here.

• Panel Reaction:

  • Strong pushback on mosque/state entanglement, with discomfort at religious or immigrant leaders appearing to scorn American values.

Notable Quotes

• “[About Omar]: ‘She should be impeached and it should happen faster...The scum we have in our country telling us what to do.’” – Trump (as read by PBD, [72:49])

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5. International Actors Fueling Division After Kirk’s Death

[120:15 – 127:38]

Key Discussion Points

• Media Manipulation:

  • Russia, China, and Iran rapidly deploy disinformation campaigns, amplifying conspiracy theories regarding the assassination.
  • State media in these countries cited US fractures to undermine democratic legitimacy.

    “The more confusion and mistrust they can inject right after a breaking news event, the harder it becomes for people to know what’s true and who to trust.” – NewsGuard’s Shadegi, as quoted by PBD ([122:07])

• The New Cold War of Information:

  “We are in a cold war of information. And the tools are social media, planted news stories...” – Tom ([123:57])

• Host Guidance:

  • The panel urges listeners to crosscheck facts and avoid jumping to conspiratorial conclusions, given the information war.

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6. Economic Update: Fed Rate Cuts, Intel & Nvidia, and Billionaire Wealth

[83:39 – 95:33]

Key Discussion Points

• Quarter Point Rate Cut:

  • The Fed cuts rates by 0.25%, with more expected this year; intended to stimulate sluggish job growth, reduce debt costs.

    “If you have a job...keep that job. If you’re looking...maybe be less picky...” – Tom ([85:04])

• Intel/Nvidia News:

  • Nvidia to invest $5B in struggling Intel, becoming a major shareholder alongside the US government.
    • Concern: Increasing government ownership of private companies could lead to regulatory and market distortions.

    “The US government owning part of any company...that scares me to death.” – Tom ([91:59])

• Billionaire Wealth Jumps:

  • Oracle’s Larry Ellison briefly overtakes Elon Musk after a stock surge.

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7. Humorous & Personal Interludes

• Panel jokes about comedy’s essential role in hard times; “America loves cocaine again” Wall Street Journal headline ([05:17]).
• Vinny’s “Faith Over Fear” Christian shirt project described in a heartfelt and humorous segment ([07:59]).
• Banter over generational differences, rating late-night hosts, and cultural references.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “The bigger the lie, the faster it will spread.” – Benjamin Netanyahu ([97:32])
• “Free speech is free speech...but there’s consequences.” – Vinny ([22:03])
• “There is a model for comedy on late night, but they’re getting it wrong.” – PBD ([27:47])

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Conclusion:

The episode is a whirlwind of current events, from TV firings and political fallouts to economic analysis and warnings about foreign meddling. Throughout, PBD and the team urge their audience to resist knee-jerk reactions and tribal narratives, to value verifiable facts over sensationalism, and defend free debate—even as the information environment becomes ever more chaotic.
Final message:

“Sometimes you have to sleep on things. That’s why they say, ‘let me sleep on it.’” – PBD ([127:38])

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Recommended Segments for Direct Listening

• Kimmel Firing Explained & Ratings Decline: [10:03 – 19:41]
• Free Speech vs. Hate Speech Deep Dive: [34:29 – 49:06]
• Charlie Kirk Conspiracies & Media Analysis: [53:03 – 109:16]
• International Interference in US Discourse: [120:15 – 127:38]

Transcript

[A]

Did you ever think you were made again.

[B]

Adam? What's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one. My son's right. I don't think I've ever said this before. You ask to move stuff plain. You're taking like your house socks up.

[C]

Making myself at home.

[D]

Your flag is up. No longer 12 years old.

[B]

I'm here on time. Holy mo. Anyways, gang, great to be with you here. Tom is back. Tom was in Vegas the last three days. There was a big pimps and host party going on. So he was out there at a nightclub, and he crushed it at Dre's after after party.

[D]

But I can smell the tequila.

[B]

He came back with all these globe sticks. Jeez.

[C]

Up, H down.

[A]

They said, you want some X? And I said, I have a great X account. They said, give me some glow sticks. I didn't understand.

[B]

Ye. He's massaging RJ and Paul in the back. And they're like, hey, man, I think it's the best, but it was great. Tom is back, guys. And some of you guys, the reference I made, you have to be. You have to be probably my age to know the reference I made. If you're not my age, it offended you. Forgive me. We'll move on.

[C]

38. 38.

[B]

We got a lot of stories. We got a lot of stories to go through here. A ton of them. Jimmy Kimmel is looking for a job. So if anybody's hiring, Rob's got some ideas of what he thinks is going to happen with Netflix. And he wanted this and because he was going to get paid more. And maybe we'll get into that. And then there's stories about Bob Iger from Disney giving him feedback. And he kind of told him to go screw himself. And Bob is finally like, listen, we're not doing this. And the decision was made. But of course, we got to blame the FCC and we got to blame Trump for cancellation and free speech. All of that stuff's got to be blamed for them. But there's so many great clips to go through with Kimmel. And we'll talk about that. Keith Olbermann blames Trump for Charlie Kirk's death, slams abc, Disney and Bob Iger on turning maga. It's not Mecca.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Keith Olbermann, seriously, the guy needs a prayer. Like you said. Cnn, Kaitlyn Collins accused of lying after claiming there's no motive for Charlie Crook assassination. Can you imagine that? And this was this one with Ted Cruz it was a back and forth with Ted Cruz, I believe. Right. And he called him out. Bill Ackman shares Charlie Kirk's text to dispel Candace Owens claims of Israel blackmail. And apparently Netanyahu got into it as well. And he responded back. He didn't show text or signal, but he, He. He definitely had a message about that. All right, let's see here. Nick Fuentes said a couple thoughts. Adam's got a clip of that. We'll go through that. Dearborn Muslim mayor unleashes on Christian residents at city meeting. You know what she said in church? The. He. The mayor said. The mayor said, you are not welcome here. Did you hear that? Wow. You are not. You Christian people are not welcome in America. Okay. All right, so we'll go more into that part. Suspect and Charlie Kirk's killing feared being shot by police before surrendering. Sheriff says. And then we got. I deeply regret. Remember the guy from last week when Adam said, this guy is a decorated journalist, One of the greatest journalists of our generation. Deserved a Walter Cronkite. Cronkite's got nothing on this. If he started a podcast, he'd be Joe. He said this. Adam said this on Wednesday.

[C]

That was literally my point.

[B]

The guy came out and he said, I deeply regret. Regret what he had to say, but I don't still think that he's phenomenal.

[C]

Traction in the.

[B]

Obama condemns horrific Kirk shooting but says this type of stuff didn't happen when I was president. You know what I'm saying? And the racism stuff at all. He didn't at all use the black card whatsoever. He was just, you know, unified in America.

[A]

No, just doing speeches, dropping his R's.

[B]

Yeah. Dear Abby Phillips dismisses online celebrations of Kirk killing as random individuals. American Psychology association study blames rising political violence on burnout. Okay. That's what it is. Russia, China and Iran use Kirk's murder to stow conspiracy theories and division. By the way, great time to do it. The timing of trying to divide America is phenomenal right now. If you hated America, what a great time to try to divide America and create chaos. A phenomenal time. And do you think Iran, Russia and China are capable of doing that? Do you think they're salivating of what America looks like today? What do you think they're thinking about? Do you think they're sitting there mourning? Or you think they're celebrating that America's got some issues going on right now? They're probably salivating. ABC post Jimmy Kimmel. We already know that. We already know that. The TikTok deal. We're going to talk about interest rates. Tom's been ecstatic. Fed approves quarter point interest rate cuts and sees two more coming this year. And, you know, Tom was so ecstatic that he took three days off. He was just like in Vegas, like, this is a big deal, guys. And went to Vegas to kick it and have a good time. So walk around doing research. Wall Street Journal story. You ready for Wall Street Journal story? America loves cocaine again.

[D]

Tom, let's go.

[C]

Is that why you were in Vegas again?

[B]

By the way, can you imagine the title of the article? You would have thought that's like Daily Mail or like, you know, some of these other papers. It's Wall Street Journal. America loves cocaine again. Mexico's new drug king cashes in.

[C]

Thank you, Donald Trump.

[B]

Economic Times. This next story. Two men found hanging in Mississippi on the same day. Suspicious death. Stunned state. The two hanging. Kamala Harris says allegedly she would have picked Pete Buttigieg if he weren't gay. You know, isn't that, isn't that like, that's offensive.

[D]

But she's, she's on the left, so it's fine.

[B]

That's like, that's like such an offensive bi comment.

[A]

You can actually say that on a book tour. No one else can.

[D]

Nobody else.

[B]

Can you imagine if you would have said that, that you're going to run for being a mayor and you're going to choose your vice mayor and you say, I wouldn't choose him if he was straight, I would have picked him.

[A]

Or just someone else on their own book tour. Unrelated.

[B]

And says Pete Buttigieg, by the way, I think Pete would have done better than Kamala. I think Pete wants to pick. Pete would have done better than Kamala. Kamala was a mess, but she's got a book, guys, if you want to read it. You know, there's a. There's a lot of great stuff going on. 106% lower alcohol Bondi and hot water, which we got to talk about over hate speech. The stuff that she said, it's. It's not got people walking a little bit like that. I don't know if I'm, if I'm with that, but we'll talk about that. Nvidia takes a $5 billion stake in intel joining the US government as a major shareholder. It's a very important thing there. And there's a one part of it that makes both me and Tom uncomfortable. Maybe we'll talk about that. And intel surges 18% after Nvidia says they're taking 5 billion. Guess what happened. For a minute, for a single minute, you know who was the richest man on earth? It was Larry Ellison at $450 billion. Larry Ellison. His net worth went up in one day. What was it, $100 billion. In a single day, his net worth went up $106 billion. Think about that.

[A]

You got to put billionaires in perspective. He actually owns one of the Hawaiian islands.

[B]

Yeah, no, he's. He's got. He's got money. He's got room. He's going to be okay. So Jimmy. Okay, Jimmy Kimmel refuses to apologize. And there's a bunch of other things. Even David Letterman got involved. And we have to show something about Ilhan Omar. Trump tweeted something about Ilhan Omar and her ex husband that we have to address. And I'm going to show you guys a clip for UFC 2026. There's one person that may be the person in the fight, and I think people are going to be flabbergasted. It's an insider, you know, some information that's coming out that this guy may be the on the card. So I'm excited about that. All right. Having said that, Vinnie's been working on something for the last six months, a shirt that he's excited about, Truly, he's excited about. And I want Vinnie to tell you about the shirt here. Go for it.

[D]

Thanks, man. So. So, guys, I, like Pat said, I've been trying to work on this shirt for almost a year. Pat, if I'm gonna really break it down and we, you know, traveling Italy, this, that never got back to it. But now I think this is the best time, especially with the battle and everything that we're going through right now. I'm calling it, like the faith based line. It's. It's a faith over fear shirt. I have the cross in the front. Boom, in the front to let everybody know where you're at. And then I have this on the back. Faith over fear. And the Hebrews 11. 1 Adam. You like this?

[B]

Thank you.

[D]

Faith is confidence and what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. Everybody knows this. Jesus Christ was born over 2000 years ago. None of us have seen him. Nobody. Nobody's talked to him. But guess what?

[B]

We.

[D]

We believe. Okay? That's the faith. And the greatest story of faith I've ever heard. Tom told me it was a centurion Roman soldier, and he saw Jesus and he went up to Jesus and he said, jesus, my servant, my young servant is at the house and he's paralyzed, and he's in immense suffering. And Jesus goes, shall I come and heal him? And the centurion, by the way, a gentile looks at him and says, lord, I do not deserve to have you under my roof, but just say the word and you shall be healed. Think about that, Pat. So Jesus turns to his disciples and he goes, I have not found anyone in Israel. Israel with such faith. And he says to the centurion, he goes, go and let it be done just as you believe it would, okay? And the. And the servant was healed. That is faith, guys. So. And if you have faith and you are a Christian, you have nothing to fear. In the Bible, the command of do not fear, do not be afraid is said 365 times in a different variation, okay? And that's one for every single day. So if you have faith, guys, if you have faith in God, in Jesus Christ, you have nothing to fear. Nothing to fear. And that's what motivated me. And I made this shirt.

[B]

Boom.

[D]

It's on the website, Pat. We have black, there's white, there's maroon, and there's different variations. Robbie, if you can, the shirt.

[B]

Boom.

[D]

Fake over fear. No, it's ridiculous, bro.

[B]

And the white one.

[D]

And by the way, you know, like, I wear my cross. Guys, when you wear this shirt, you don't need jewelry because that lets everybody in front of, you know. And then when I leave.

[B]

Respect. Respect, gang. Go support it.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

Vinny's merge. Faith over fear. White, black, gray, red. Pick and choose. It's out there for you to order. VTMerch.com okay, let's get right into it. With everything going on, I think the first most appropriate story for us to get into is Jimmy Kimmel. On Thursday, out of nowhere, we get news. No, on Wednesday afternoon, we get news that ABC has moved on with Jimmy Kimmel. Everybody was shell shocked. What do you mean they've moved on with Jimmy Kimmel? And then news came out that the reason why this happened is because the fcc. And by the way, it was over these comments. Let's play the clip, what the comments were, and then we'll get into a couple other things. Go ahead, Rob. We had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half, which got some criticism. But on a human level, you can see how Hard the President is taking this. My condolences on the law of your friend Charlie Kirk.

[A]

May I ask her personally, how are.

[D]

You holding up over the last day and a half, sir?

[B]

I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks? They've just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty. Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief. Construction, demolition, construction. This is not how an adult grieves the moment that comment is made. Stephen A. Smith said something very interesting. He said, look, aren't late night show hosts supposed to be funny? He says, that's not even funny. So what's funny about that? Like at least tell a funny joke, right? At least make us laugh. You're not even doing that. Which is the most simple question. This is the one. Yeah. 13 second one, Rob. Go for it. The only thing that I would say as it pertains to Jimmy Kimmel was where was the joke? Because you're a late night host and obviously that has a comedic attachment to it. Where was the joke? Obviously, he's right. So your job is to make people laugh. And I've said this for a long time. I have no problem with what, you know, he wants to say. Go be a pundit, go apply and work at cnn. Go start a podcast and compete with Midas Touch. Go compete with some of the big podcasters. When they had their podcast during COVID they actually did well, him and his couple buddies that they had their thing going on. But man, we want to watch you and we want you to make us laugh. We want you to get into, not get into politics and lose half the audience. Many, many years ago, the great, the one and only Johnny Carson was asked by Mike Wallace, hey, what do I do? What do I do as a late night show host, how come you never talk about politics? And he gave such a simple answer. And this the interview. Here's the great, the one of one. This guy is a one of one. There will never be another Johnny Carson. This is what he had to say. People say he'll never take a serious controversy. Well, I have an answer to that. I said, now tell me the last.

[A]

Time that Jack Benny, Red Skelton.

[B]

Any comedian used his show to do serious issues. That's not what I'm there for.

[A]

Can't they see that?

[B]

But you're not neither.

[A]

They think that just because you have.

[B]

A Tonight show that you must deal in serious issues. It's a danger. It's a real danger. Once you start that, you start to.

[A]

Get that self important feeling that what.

[B]

You say has great import. And you know, strangely enough, you could use that show as a form. You could sway people and I don't think you should as an entertainer.

[D]

Bingo.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

Bingo.

[B]

This is why he's Johnny Carson.

[D]

He's a psychic.

[B]

So Tom, can you, you, you know, some of the things. Maybe, maybe walk us through what happened with Disney Bob Iger, because obviously the story here, when you hear that Bob Iger reaches out and where's the story about Bob Iger, Rob?

[A]

That is in the addendum. That is.

[B]

Yeah, there's a story that says Bob Iger reached out.

[A]

Page five. Unrepentant.

[B]

Yeah, unrepentant. Jimmy Kimmel refused to refuse to apologize after Charlie Kirk outrage and plan to double down on MAGA attack report. This is a New York Post story. Let me read this to you here. And then Rob, you can go to whatever you got up there with Jesse. Late Night judgement said that he was unwilling to apologize for his remarks that blamed MAGA supporters for killing conservative Charlie Kirk and said he was going to double down on attacks on attacking President Trump's backers before he was yanked from air. Kimmel learned in a phone call from top Disney exec Dana Walden on Wednesday afternoon that his show was being removed indefinitely. Deadline reported, citing sources. During the call, Kimmel reportedly refused to comply with calls from critics and the owners of dozens of ABC affiliate stations for him to apologize. Kimmel felt his remarks required no apologies. Another source told Hollywood Reporter that Jimmy Kimmel live host also claimed that he was planning to call out his critics for the late attack on him, all while trying to clarify his comments about Charlie Kirk. Said Kimmel had claimed his comments were mischaracterized when he said during a Monday night show, which was the click that we played for you. Tom, your thoughts on this?

[A]

So there's a, there's a quick backstory. Can we do a quick, quick backstory here? So Jimmy Kimmel's contract is up before the end of this year.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And he was getting ready to negotiate and they were getting ready to not renew him. And here's why. Rob, can you quickly go to the chart? Late night as a category has been unprofitable. These are analysts looking at it, Pat. Since 22, since the bounce out year after Covid, late night has been unprofitable. Look at the ratings here. Kimmel Late Show, Tonight show. We Have a chart right up here. Look at that, Vinnie, what is that? You don't need to be a math expert to look at that.

[D]

And isn't that weird, Tom?

[A]

It's all.

[D]

Everybody's watching because it was Trump 2016. Trump. Everybody took the Trump. Trump.

[C]

And.

[D]

But people are done.

[A]

And in 20, they say in 2022, all of the networks started suffering and saying that their late night. They had giant contracts. Remember, it's not just the host. They have producer contracts.

[B]

Which one's Fallon, by the way?

[D]

Late show, right?

[A]

No, the Tonight Show.

[B]

Who's the Late Show? Colbert.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, so. So. So Kimmel was. Fallon was number one. Fallon was number one.

[A]

Barely.

[B]

He was. He crushed it in 2014, whatever that was. Yeah, he was. Because that's right after Leno, you see Leno and then comes Fallon. At least Leno kept going it 0.96, 0.85, 0.85. Then shows up 1.01. And then Fallon, year one is on fire 1.5 for 1.18, 1.02. And then by year four, he fell below what Leno was and never recovered from it. From 17 on. Go ahead.

[A]

That's exactly right. So here's the backstory. Late night, unprofitable since 2022. They're about to negotiate with Jimmy Kimmel. And guess what? This gave them the reason they needed. And it was affiliates and advertisers that first went to Iger. And supposedly, as you just covered, Kimmel's gonna double down. And Deadline Hollywood and some others were leaking out that some people on the writing staff kind of leaked who are looking for jobs tomorrow. Vinnie. Right. It's not just the star with a big contract. How many people are around, like a comedy show and stuff?

[D]

You got like 12 people, writers, good people with jobs. Right line.

[A]

Do they want to protect their jobs?

[D]

Of course.

[A]

Might they have whispered upstairs that says, hey, he's about to double down tonight.

[D]

Yeah, their job is on the line.

[A]

I don't want to be really part of this. You guys can do it. And what happened was then Iger's people said, dude, you know, you're not doing this. You're not doubling down. And they pulled him off. But the back. Everybody runs to First Amendment and all that. This isn't First Amendment. This is an employee gone haywire. And you've got advertisers and other people. So let's put it into our perspective, Pat. You have a company. You're selling things. The customers are upset with the salesperson. The customers are upset with one of your employees, you know what you do? You say, go, wait a minute, let's look into this. And an employee might get fired or put on the bench for a few minutes. That's what happened here. This was a. And by the way, Chris Cuomo got it right last night. Chris Cuomo was saying, hey, he got sideways with this employer and his employer took action. That's what happened. But the big thing, Pat, is ABC and everybody else have been looking for a reason to move these off because as late night as a category is getting killed by Netflix streaming and alternatives because the new generation doesn't want them. And by the way, Kimmel is 57. Leno. They started talk to talking to him about getting off the air because he wasn't doing good with the demographic when he was 59.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he fought it until he was 63 when they finally pushed him off.

[B]

I think Vinnie has a great idea. Okay, Vinnie, you had an idea about what you think who should replace a guy like this? For them to test something out. Go ahead.

[D]

And why not? And, and thanks. I like. If you guys think about it, it's. Tom, what are you talking about? Words talk and numbers scream. How much louder do those numbers have to punch you in the face? For instance? And I'm happy you did it. They're screaming. In August, Kimmel's ratings was 1.1 million total viewers. It was down around 1.9 million in January. The key 18 to 49 demographic dropped about 284,000 in June to 129,000. Okay, nobody's watching. Okay. And you, you, you had us read the book Blue Ocean strategy for the, for you guys that have. Who, who wrote the book?

[B]

W.C. chen and another lady, another girl.

[D]

Guys, when people are in the red ocean fighting and killing and everything and it's not working, you go to the blue ocean where it's clear you have a different plan. Why not abc, cbs, all these freaking networks have. Try a conservative person that's in the middle. That's just funny. The five on the Fox.

[B]

Who do you think works?

[D]

I. I don't know. I don't know. Who would be somebody that's somebody that's willing to like to find a Johnny Carson, but it's not going to be one.

[B]

I have one guy.

[D]

Who do you think?

[B]

Marcelo. I have one guy.

[C]

My guy, Marcelo Hernandez.

[B]

Guys, I've been saying this. I remember. I have one guy. I think Marcelo's not even a conservative. Marcelo's just a regular guy. Yeah, I have one guy. If you're smart enough to get a guy like him. How old is he? 28. He'll have 20 years now. They're probably gonna wait 10 more years till he gets the job. They're probably not gonna hire him at 28. Maybe they're gonna wait till 38. But if I was a guy, I would start, you know, I would start working with him and finding a way for him to become that. He's young, he's funny, he's energetic, he is multifaceted, he gets along with Everybody. And he's 28. And you have a long ways to go with him. And he literally talks zero politics at all. So you need someone like that. There's no politics tied to this guy. If I bring a late night show, I think there's a couple of the guys that I'm a big believer of. A lot of these other comedians that are out there. But if I'm doing this and you truly want to go to none. Bring a guy that's neutral like him and see how he does, how he performs. He would be on my top five list. If I'm hiring somebody.

[D]

Oh, he.

[A]

I would look to do it now and go back to what Carson said. I'm not looking for you to be 38 years old and have depth of understanding of all these issues because that's not what I want you to be.

[D]

Yeah. And my mind you about. I think I know. I understand what the waiting. He would crush it right now if they announced that he's there.

[B]

Bro.

[D]

Finally. Not the same old white guy that's just like, hey, America sucks. This guy sucks. It's boring. And you know what pissed me off about the whole situation was the selective outrage. And for all those people out there, please just cry me a freaking river. Where was everybody when they fired Tim Allen for being a conservative? Okay, Last man standing had some of the highest ratings for years and they canceled it because of his political affiliation. Okay, who else? Gita Carano, Roseanne Barr, Megyn Kelly, even Jason.

[A]

Megyn Kelly fired for making comments about Halloween costumes about Halloween.

[D]

So I don't want to hear anybody, anybody talking about free speech, because free speech is free. You can say whatever you want, but there's consequences. My question to you is if somebody had valuetainment, okay, you're a free speech absolutist. If Rob started going out there and just bashing Charlie family, I hope he does good for him. And falsely Jimmy Kimmel falsely claiming that this freaking Tyler guy was a MAGA guy, you have every right under the law to Fire me.

[B]

And I would say to him, here's what I would say. I said, rob, you gotta apologize. And Rob would apologize in a heartbeat. And he would say, you know what? You're right. Hey, that was wrong. Can you just say something? I apologize. And then we move on. Right? And for example, like on the last podcast, Eric Bowling here said that Candace hasn't spoke at. What do you call it? Tpusa for many years. And then Guy sent me a message. I don't follow who speaks at the. And Guy sent me a message saying, hey, she did speak at the event. Oh, okay. She did speak. So correction on what Eric said. She actually did speak in June of 24. I thought she spoke in 23 because she was pregnant last year. So she did speak in June of 2024 at Turning Point USA. When you do go through it and somebody gets it wrong, all you have to say is, hey, this is what happened here. So if Rob all of a sudden is like, no, I'm not going to apologize, Rob, I'm sorry, buddy. That was. The Guy's family died, and you're literally blaming somebody. What are you talking about? I'm not gonna do it, dude. Listen, I'm sorry, man. This company's not for you. Yeah, go to a different place. Yeah, that's all it is. It's not a. Listen, ain't nobody gonna get everything right 100%. I didn't want Jimmy to get fired. I just wanted Jimmy to. You know, there comes a time in your life, honestly, where I think you pay attention to politics more and you choose a position that doesn't necessarily happen in your 20s like it did with Charlie and a lot of younger Gen Z that are going to rock the world for decades to come, watch what Gen Z conservative kids are going to do the next 10, 20, 30 years. Just, we're going to witness what this generation is going to do because of Charlie. But to me, when do you start really caring about politics? When you start making money? When you start caring about politics? When you have kids, family? When you start really caring about politics? When you start paying, really, a lot of taxes? When you start caring about politics? When you're around a lot of other people that are feeding you whatever. He's in it. Right?

[D]

Of course.

[B]

But if you want to talk politics, Jimmy, and just say, you know, it would have been more honorable to say, look, I'm at a phase of my life that I think comedy's changed my life and I'm a comedian first. But honestly, I've been sitting with My friends and family and a lot of people that I respect and they're telling me, jimmy, you're talking too much politics every night and it's no longer comedy. And I agree. And this is why I've chosen to go and move away from this. And I want to go out there and start talking about issues that matter to me. If he would have done that, guess what? You say, you know what? Fair, Fair. Fair enough. Go start your podcast, go to cnn, go to msnbc, go somewhere. But your job is to make people laugh. And when is actually the last time you watched a late night show? From beginning to the end. Honestly? No. No.

[C]

Zero.

[B]

What's the last time?

[D]

To be honest with you, I don't think I ever. I. I think I have watched the full ones of Johnny Carson. The, the. Just the whole thing.

[B]

I watched Leno, okay?

[D]

I know.

[B]

For years, okay? I watched Leno. And by the way, I liked Fallon at the beginning.

[C]

Oh my God.

[B]

Funny. He would dance, he would sing, Justin Timberlake would come up. It was awesome. It was great. It was fantastic, right? This is a great business model of America. What we need right now, believe it or not, Vinny, we really do need comedy right now. And I know this sounds weird. We need comedy right now. We need to laugh right now. The business of laughing should do very well today. It should be great. People should be seeking it. You make a couple animal videos, one of them gets 30 million views.

[D]

44 now.

[B]

44 million views. And animal video. You want to see one of them? Can you pull up one of these videos? Go, go, go to Popular. Go to Popular. The first one with the second one. Watch this.

[D]

Oh, is this the one he's fighting with his wife? Wait, I don't know if this.

[A]

Gotta be careful.

[D]

Not even doing anything. So who is that, your girlfriend? She's cute. I was being polite.

[B]

Watch.

[D]

They're arguing.

[B]

How many likes? 942,000 likes. How many views? 40 million. 44. 44 million views. And that's where we're at in this channel right now is at 800-9000 subs. Do you know which one of our channels is growing that fast? None of them. You know why people want to laugh.

[D]

Very true.

[B]

This is a great time to be in the laugh business. I don't know. People realize there's so much pressure, there's so much tension. People would much rather Watch Vinny Do 20 Voices of Animals running around than freaking watch serious topics. And I'm being said, yeah, we will sit here, do research. Vinny will be running Outside somebody doing this thing, boom, puts it up 22 million views. Okay? There is no politics in that topic. So to me, the reason why I'm saying this is there is a model for comedy on late night, but they're getting it wrong. Like the late night people that are running it. Dude, there is a business model for it. It's not dead. It's not over. You screwed it up. There needs to be a basic policy. Make fun of both sides. Who the hell is the booker? Where? Out of 172 guests Colbert had 170. One was on the liberal side and one was on the conservative side. And the one that was conservative was Liz Cheney.

[C]

Jesus.

[B]

Who hates Trump? Did you invite Charlie? You missed out on having Charlie on your show. Are you flipping kidding me? You missed out on having all these guys on your show? Why not? It would have brought so many eyeballs. So I don't think it's dead. I just think they royally screwed up with a great opportunity, and I think there's still. There's still a chance there. Adam, your thoughts here? Well, you. You just want to watch Marcelo, Matter of fact.

[C]

Well, I went to see Marcelo last night. If you haven't heard of Marcelo Hernandez, he's the young rising star in snl, and he's like my little brother. He worked here for two years.

[B]

I gave him a big raise.

[C]

You actually shot him down for a.

[B]

Razor because your show wasn't making money.

[C]

Well, YouTube shows don't make money, but let's not go there. But the kid is killing it right now, and I'm so proud of the freaking guy. And his Netflix special is coming out. But you know what? He is more than anything, funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Here's the deal. Jimmy Kimmel is not funny at all. He's just not funny. You know, they always say, like, in the culture wars, go woke, go broke. Well, not funny. No money, bro. No laughs, no cash.

[B]

I remember when I one time talked to him, I said, jimmy Kimmel. No, no, Marcelo.

[D]

Okay?

[B]

One time I'm telling Marcelo, because Marcelo would send the office. And you don't realize we're his audience. Yes. He's working us. Yeah. All the time. And I know what he's doing, but I'm like, dude, you're so good. Like, he would just do his stuff all the time. Right? And one day I'm like, so, what do you want to do? He says, I have this special. So you got this. I have this special. I said, really? Yeah. I said, so why don't we think about something? For you to do here as a show. This is four years ago. He says, no, Pat, I can't. I said, why? My dream is to be on snl. I'm going to be on snl.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Mike Marcelo, let us get a podcast and a show going for you here. Do something with us. I can't. I have to be on snl. This guy was. He says, Pat, he says, I would rather take $30,000 from Netflix than a million dollars from anybody else just to make sure my special is on that.

[A]

Oh, yeah, wow.

[B]

He says, I have something. I know it's going to do well. I said, all right, do your thing. So what happens? The guy is now in Happy Gilmore 2 doing stuff with Bad Bunny, Doing stuff with pretty much anybody and everybody. But moral of the story with this comedy stuff is it's not over with. Now here's Barack Obama. Okay. When you're talking about, you know, he's talking about comments about Charlie Kirk. Rob, I think you have it. Yeah. By the way, have we gone to the Keith Olbermann stuff? He's not talking about Kimmel here, Right. He's talking about. He's talking about Charlie Kirk.

[A]

Yes, Charlie Kirk.

[B]

Okay, do me a favor. Let's. We'll come back to this. Trust me, folks, you have to watch this. Go to play that Chris clip that you have. Right, Rob, Right there. This. This is part of the stuff. That's the controversy of Chris Hayes. I cannot believe, you know, the cancellation. And I was like, wait a minute, what did you say when Tucker got fired? Did you forget? Because here's a great thing about the Internet today. You know what's awesome about the Internet today?

[A]

It remembers.

[B]

They'll find you, dog. Yeah. The receipts are everywhere. Go ahead, Rob. ABC made the announcement. Kimmel would indeed be taken off the air indefinitely.

[A]

And this is just the latest chapter in Donald Trump's ongoing campaign to crack down on free speech, dominate the media, and essentially render the First Amendment meaningless. So it was for the journeyman cable news host Tucker Carlson, just fired from his third network. He believed he could say anything, no matter how vile, no matter how disgusting, no matter how offensive, neuhaumer, dehumanizing or belittling. And if you act like a sociopath over and over and over and over, you will become unpopular on the national stage. That's just like a basic principle over time.

[B]

By the way, I thought he was going to say something else, like, not what popular. The guy was running the number one show when he got fired. Yep. Okay. And even today, his podcast is a top three top four podcasts on Spotify. Ongoing. Okay. And he goes around the world interviewing guys. You don't have to agree with them. I don't agree with a lot of stuff sometimes Tucker says, but guess what? You can't, you can't say the stuff about. By the way, I even had to talk Tucker to speak at the Vault conference. We have text exchange. He and I, 3 months ago invite him to come and speak. I, I and I said, can you just give the landscape of what's going on? He had, I think he had something going on with hunting or something he had going on for himself. But. So the story here is when you hear these. I can't believe what they did. Keith Olbermann. Can you pull up with Keith Olbermann? Keith Olbermann. There's a story of him calling Bob Iger apparently has joined MAGA folks in Hell Sinclair alongside Charlie Kirk. Are you flipping kidding me? Are you flipping kidding me to say something like that? Now the problem with this guy is he's been fired so many times there is no more firing kid. And yesterday Destiny was apparently demonetized on YouTube. That's a decision that YouTube made. Did you guys see that or no?

[C]

No, I didn't see that.

[B]

Yes, I think that happened because he said something. What did he say? Another clip was circulating that he said. I hope Charlie Kirk's. You know which one I'm talking about right there. Zoom in a little bit. AFP post.

[C]

Come on.

[B]

Liberal streamer. Destiny, who recently refused to disavow the political motivated assassin Charlie Kirk has been demonetized on YouTube. I don't like to see it. I don't agree with 99% of what this guy says. If this guy doesn't incite violence and say things like that, you'd still be up. We still need the opposition of arguments, you know. But there's one rule I have the inciting violence. Okay? All the other stuff, people want to make fun of him. How he chose to be married to this other girl, how he chose to be a. That's his personal life. I don't care what he wants to do with that part. But you cross the line and you say something about Republicans and maga and capitalists and all this. I was on piker. These guys, you know, there's a slippery slope. So this leads to Pam Bondi, Rob. Okay? This leads to Pam Bondi and the Pam Bondi argument. It's going to be a contradiction with a lot of other stuff. So let me read this to you. Because it's going to get a little spicy. And I'm curious to know what everyone's thought is going to be here. And Vinny, I'm probably going to come to you first. Okay. Uh, Pam Bondi. I know this story is on the second page. Or it's here. It's one of those. Rob, if you can tell me where. Oh, there it is. Bondi and hot water over hate speech comments. I think Robbie got a video on it. Let me read this and then I'll come to you. So Pam Bondi is on the Cake Miller podcast, and they're having this conversation. All right. And she's facing scrutiny over the comments she made about cracking down on hate speech after the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. This is the Hills article, by the way, stating the administration would. And here's what she had to say. Go ahead.

[A]

There's free speech and then there's hate speech. And there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie. In our society, do you see more.

[B]

Law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people? So we show them that some action is better than no action.

[A]

We will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything. And that's across the aisle.

[D]

You know how much that bothers me? Like, is. Are they listen. And again, people always like you. Just a blind loyalist. I don't like what she's doing. Cash Patel, to me, is just one of the worst picks that Trump has done so far.

[B]

You think that I don't.

[D]

I don't think. I personally don't think Patrick, the way he's handled himself with Epstein. And I get it. I get it. When you come into a position, what.

[B]

Else outside of Epstein are you uncomfortable with? What else outside of it? Because that's a very strong statement.

[D]

That's a big. That's a. Everything that I've been seeing with everything that's happening right now and the way he's conducting himself in front of Congress as well, when they're asking questions and you're not answering. By the way, I love the back and forth. I'm the freaking angry.

[A]

Can I ask you something real quick on that? Stay right there. Congress asking a question. What did you think of Cash and Adam Schiff? Adam Schiff, he went after him.

[D]

Yeah, we showed it when Eric was here.

[A]

Because you said the way he talked to Congress, that seemed to me pretty strong.

[D]

No, very strong. And by the way, I love it. I would do the same thing. But when it comes to certain issues that you've been barking about for all this years to lead up to election. And I get it. People change once they're in. But once you're in. This is where I'm coming from, Pat. If I was doing all this, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. And I came in and they were like, hey, you're not gonna do it. And guess what? You resign. I don't care how big of a news headline it would be. I know Dan Bongino is going through it, and we haven't even heard or seen. I think he shows up once in a blue moon. We actually see Dan Bongino, but I'm very disappointed. And for her, the number one attorney General. She's the number one law enforcement officer in the United States, okay? There's no such thing as hate speech, guys, okay? That's not a legal category under the Constitution. The First Amendment doesn't have an asterisk that says, except for words that we don't like, okay? Free speech is free speech, Tom. Period. And I'm a free speech absolutist, okay? You could say dumb things. You could say offensive things. They'll get you punched in the face. You could get demonetized.

[C]

Don't say something to an Armenian, bro. They'll get you.

[D]

That's the price. That's the price of living in a free country. You could say anything to me, Pat. We've been called. I've been called a terrorist when people say, you know, I've been called this, or Spanish people are the N word. A terrorist, a sand. And we're like, no, no, no, no, no. Guess what? We get it all the time. And guess what? Do it. Somebody might punch you in the face, and then you deal with that. But then you made a great point. When you're inciting violence, when you're saying, cut them open, like Hassan Paige or whatever he said, allegedly the blood and destiny's openly saying. Openly said that he was plotting on murdering some. Some guy in his freaking family. I'm sorry. I don't care what platform you're on. You have to their actions. There's consequences to your freaking actions, okay? But the scary part is, Tom, when politicians and people that are under these politicians say stuff like hate speech, that verb, that label, it's up to whoever's in power to decide what counts. And that's what we saw under freaking Biden. We saw what they were doing. They were banning freaking the President of the United States off of Twitter and stuff for What?

[A]

Well, that was the cancellation stuff. But Pam Bondi, she's the Attorney General and she should have said four things. I looked them up. Number one, in some form, you say the price of free speech is free speech. And it may really upset you. What other people say. However, that. Point one. Point two, if you incite violence, that is illegal. And you can get a knock on the door from law enforcement, you know, to investigate what your motives are, what's going on there. If you slander somebody, you could get sued in court. And lastly, if you threaten a president or an elected official, that's illegal. We're going to come talk to you. But beyond that, we may not like it, but that's the price of free speech. That's all she had to say is saying if people are crossing the line, the federal government is going to investigate threats against elected officials, inciting violence. And then you slander somebody, you can find yourself in court and you can get sued.

[B]

Okay, so give your thoughts because I got some thoughts on this.

[C]

Thank you, sir. So, you know, you did an episode not too long ago about the importance of the Constitution. So we have one of the youngest countries in the world. China's way older than us. India is way older than us. England's way older than us. United States, 249 years. We're about to have a birthday next year. Big 250. But we have the oldest long standing constitution in the world. Is that right, Pat?

[B]

Yes. Hands down, oldest constitution in the world.

[C]

So it's working. And here's what it says. And I remember being in front of the Capitol in D.C. and I was reading my messages one day and, bro, these guys get real creative with the hate speech. There's nothing worse than waking up. All right, let me. Let me check my phone. Oh, you dirty J. Die, you son of. I was like, oh, let me just wake up a little bit. But free speech is protected. And then here's the controversial one. Hate speech, no matter how offensive, no matter how much it hurts your feelings, is protected under the Constitution. What is not protected is incitement of violence. That's the yelling fire in a crowded theater. Or literally in encouraging someone to kill the president or kill somebody. That's what's going on here. Last point. Tommy Robinson just had that big.

[D]

Get.

[C]

Together with a rally. Unite the kingdom. Okay? They don't have these free speech laws there in England. We see these stories about, yeah, a guy was just praying in front of a abortion clinic. Arrest him. A guy made a mean tweet online. Arrest him. We're so lucky we live in America. Pam Bondi. Just know the difference between hate speech and incitement of violence.

[B]

Do better, okay? So Michael Francis, ex cop of the Gambino family, told me something one time. He said, pat, my father, his father was Sonny Francis. If you don't know who Sonny Francis is, Sonny Francis is, like, one of the most feared men ever, ever in the history of the mob. Like, sonny Franzese lived 103 years old, and I was one of the last guys that went and visited him when he was in the hospital. And I took him out to lunch. I was trying to do an interview with him, and it was the most heated lunch we ever had with me and his lawyer. It was so epic. The people that were there. That's a lunch you will never forget. I'm not going to get into that in this moment, but it was a great meeting. Sonny told Michael, he says, be very nice to some of the people that don't have power right now, because one day they will, and when they do, they're going to use their power against you. He says, respect the young guys coming up. You don't know who they're going to be one day. And by the way, what a true statement. So when I was coming up, a couple guys were not respectful to me. And I remember those guys because I was a nobody. It's like, who the hell is this guy? And you got. Everybody's experienced this before. Tom, you've experienced Rob. You've experienced it. You were. Rob was just your regular employee. Rob, what was your first job? I don't even know what your first job was.

[A]

1099, talent booker for the podcast.

[B]

You weren't even a W2 guy for us, right?

[A]

For the first three months, I was.

[B]

1099, Rob was so quiet. Nobody knew what Rob was doing here. And then Rob worked his way up and stuck running. All of a sudden, look at Rob's. You know what he's doing today? So you have to be very careful with that. And when. When you go back five years ago, and we would upload videos, worried if it would be taken down. I remember one time our YouTube channel had two strikes, and me and Mario are sitting there like, dude, what do we do? I mean, what's going to happen next? They could all of a sudden make the decision to take it down. And so we would make videos on a mask. I made a video one time on mask. We had to go through it again and again and again and again and again and again just to make sure I Hope this thing doesn't get taken down. If you go on YouTube, type in mask. But, David, I think I did a video sitting.

[D]

Seriously.

[B]

No, I'm being. I'm actually. The thumbnail had a mask on it, right? David, we're looking at lawyers and all. It's so old.

[C]

I remember.

[B]

Keep going. That right there, right there, right there, right there. How many views does it have? Yeah, that video mask. Yeah. So you have to be like, helpful or hoax five years ago. We're like, man, lawyers. I don't know. We should put that. You may get a strike. You may get this. You may get a. You don't want to do that. You don't want to do this. And I'm just kind of going and pointing and saying, can a mask really protect us from it? Right. I'm just showing the test for them. So now you have the power. So many great people got canceled during that time. Now you have the power, and you're gonna use the same thing and do the same thing they did. We don't want you to do that. And we went through it. We don't want you to do that. The only place that I have no tolerance for, guys make a lot of videos about me and they trash me. The evil YouTuber, the Deus, or dad, let me tell you, Patrick. But David, insurance, the way he made his money. Yeah. I ran an insurance company, and a company came and paid us $250 million and bought the company from us three years ago. I'm no longer the CEO of the company.

[A]

After nine months of research.

[B]

After nine months of research. Yeah. But let me tell you. And you know what it is? I don't blame a lot of these guys that make these videos. Insurance is very hard. Sales is very hard. So the one guy that wasn't supposed to make it now makes it and sells it, and the guy cuts a check for 250. Now, let me tell you what this guy's. I don't want those guys video to be taken down. But the only time I have a problem, and I have zero tolerance for this, the only time I have a problem, if you joke about something that is inciting violence and threats to that person's life, you just cross the line with me. That's where mine stops. I am very easygoing until you get to this point. Disagree. Politically disagree. I don't even like name calling. I don't like name calling. But you can call people names. You can use words. You can say whatever you want with all that stuff. That's the risk you take for, you know, saying what you're saying. But the moment you go to inciting violence, that's like, why in capitalism we need monopoly laws. And a lot of people have crossed those lines. And once you go there, these people have family, they have kids. I don't agree with a lot of things, with a lot of people politically who say what they say. Dude, there's a lot of crazy stuff that's been said this last week. A lot of crazy stuff that's been said this last week. You hear Nick Fuentes, you see Candace, you see Tucker, you see us. You saw what Eric said, You saw what all these people are saying. Guess what? I have no problem with people that are making their assumptions or their. What do you call it? Their opinions. Opinions. Now, when you say I know for a fact, guess what? You're gonna get a lawsuit if it's not right.

[C]

100%.

[B]

I know 100% what happened now. I'm thinking, I'm speculating. I think all this stuff, I want all these guys to continue creating content. They're talented, they're capable and let the market decide. But to me, you cross the line and you inside violence to Charlie's family, to Nick's, to Candace, to anybody, to Pacman's family, to Pick, anyone, to the Midas Touch family, to Obama's family, to MTG's family, to any of these people's names. I'm not a fan of that, period. That's when you draw the line. So I think Pam Bondi, as they're going through and they're doing some of these interviews, they have to be very careful. We need all these voices. We don't have to agree with them. By the way, when the Constitution was built, we just got to go back and study the Constitution a little bit more. The founding fathers knew we needed debate. They knew we needed debate. And it was a lot of holes. By the way, at one point, you know, when they were going through the union was trying to find a way to eliminate the slavery. You know, what were the two states that did not want that to happen? You know, what were the two states that kept fighting? And they were so worried about if they go ahead with, you know, making slavery illegal. There were two states that were asking to be removed from the Union. They're like, hey, if you do this, we're going to be out. You know what those two states were?

[A]

Is it Georgia, South Carolina, Georgia, South.

[B]

Carolina, those two states, they're like, no, we're not with this. Georgia and South Carolina are no no, no, we're not going to be doing. But no, we need this. And then they're going back and forth on what the argument was. And one time, I think it was Jefferson that sat there and he said that the problem with slavery, why we have to get rid of it, is you're forcing. You're making the slave hate the country by doing this, Vinny. What a powerful thing they said. Jefferson said, by doing this, you're forcing slaves to hate the country. We don't want that. And he says, number two, you're making slave owners become tyrants. And that's how they'll do business with other people because they have so much power. Neither one is good for the country. So the debate, because, you know, the south was a lot of the Democrats, they liked the slave owners. They were all about the slave ownership. And everybody else was like, no, we don't want to. We don't want to do this. We got to move on. Everybody's got to have the rights. Right? George Washington, A lot of these guys were not for it. And it was even a couple guys that would call them men, they would not call them slave or, you know, all this other. Hey, I'm just. We have a relationship. We're doing this. And eventually it was done. We need debate because we may have blind spots with our arguments. But, dude, you're going to talk about inciting violence. No, if anybody is inciting violence, I would actually be more proactive on watching influencers that are inciting violence and going and knocking on their doors. Only if you're inciting violence. If you're inciting violence, we need one of these.

[D]

Yep.

[B]

Hey, we're here to talk to you. What's that? Listen, man, these are three clips. Here's what you said. You have two choices. Boom, boom. And by the way, it's not even demonetization to me. It's not even demonetization to me. It's. That message is not needed. You have influence. So that person has to be like, you know how sometimes you scroll. What do they give you? They give you.

[D]

In law.

[B]

Yeah. When you go and you need to do 50 hours of what? Community service.

[A]

Community service.

[B]

Hey, man, you know, you need to go through certain amount of hours on, you know, seeing why this. You can't do it. Like in financial services, when you have a securities license every two years, you're doing a continuing education. It sucks. It's three hours.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And you know why you do it? Just to know, hey, you can't do this. And they play the Videos. What should you do in this situation? You should do this. Okay, great. Next video. You should do this video. If anybody's in financial services and you're watching this, you got your series 663, 24, 26, 7, whatever. One of those you got. You know you love continuing education.

[C]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Don't you just love those actors that they walk into the office and you're like, I gotta do this every two or three years. Yes, you do. I think we have to be little bit more intentional in that area and teach the youth. I don't think we're doing that. I think we need to take responsibility for that and some of these companies need to be a little bit more proactive anyways, so that's my thought on this one. Rob, can you play so a couple of the clips I want to get into. I want to play this clip from cnn. Kaitlan Collins and then I want to get into the clip with Barack Obama, who he is. Barack Obama is on the left the last, you know, 20 years that we call him the greatest president they've had. And he's lost a lot of credibility. But he said some things that was just out of line. Here's Kaitlan Collins and Ted Cruz having a back and forth. Go ahead, Rob. And we don't have a motive yet. We don't know yet. We're waiting. Listen, we've heard what the governor's had to say with the.

[D]

Of course we know we don't have a motive yet.

[B]

We know we don't have a motive yet.

[D]

What's happening with.

[B]

Really that's CNN's position.

[D]

He just happened to fire the gun in celebration. You can't tell the motive, Senator. That's not what I said. And I said law enforcement hasn't laid.

[B]

Out a direct motive. They've laid out a lot of evidence here of these messages and they said.

[D]

That he was a left wing activist.

[B]

Who hated Charlie Kirk. Pardon.

[D]

Senator, with all due respect, you know exactly what I'm saying.

[B]

I'm not arguing with you politically. I'm saying that law enforcement has not put us to specific motive. You know that there's a difference of what they're putting in a legal.

[D]

They have that.

[B]

Than what you're talking about. And you're not even. We're not even arguing about the facts here. Just that is.

[D]

Is false.

[B]

Senator.

[D]

Caitlin. No, Caitlin, facts. Hold on a second.

[B]

Let me answer your statement because what you said is fact. With all due respect, law and all.

[D]

Due respect five times. Go ahead. That I did not say and I want to get back to. We just laid out the facts. You just said law enforcement has not.

[B]

Made it out of motive. That is a big.

[D]

Okay, Attorney General pause right there.

[B]

Okay, so Ted Cruz pushing back. Is CNN going to come and ask her to apologize on that? By the way, this is cnn. There is cnn, there is Late Night show. Your job is to report accordingly. Right? Late Night Show. That's not their job. So they can come in there telling comics and jokes. Like, like the other day when you saw Bassem Yosef on. He was being pushed by peers. And you know what he finally said after it was being pushed? Guess what, Basim you saw finally said.

[D]

That I'm a clown. I'm a comedian.

[B]

You didn't see that?

[D]

Yeah, because I'm a clown.

[B]

So, Bassam, can you. Can you put up Bassem Yosef and, and, and what do you call it?

[C]

Pierce Morgan, the old clown response.

[B]

You know, if, if you. Is that the one, Rob? I think that's the one. See? No, I don't know if it's. That's the one.

[A]

It says I am a clown.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

No, that's a highlight thing. That's a highlight thing. There is one that will show that this is just that part when he says, I'm just a clown. That's the one. I'm a comedian. Watch this one here. Go ahead. I can't hear it.

[C]

Can't hear it.

[D]

See, it doesn't matter how critical journalists are about Israel, it will never be enough for you. Because you want.

[B]

You want the right.

[D]

You want the right to suggest that Charlie Kirk was the subject of a hit job by Israel. You want the world to think that that's why you said what you said. And that's why when I asked you.

[B]

You went, netanyahu says it wasn't him, by the way. I'm not even the only one. People are. Actually, here's the thing. If you continue lying to your people, right, I'll tell you what. Let's.

[D]

Let's call.

[B]

Call me a conspiracy theorist, right? Call me someone who is illogical. Call me whatever you want. If your government continues to lie to you consistently. This is where conspiracy theorists thrive. If you're not transparent, why do you want to be one of them? If you want to cover up. No, no, no. I'm not saying I'm one of them.

[D]

Why float a mad conspiracy theory about Israel?

[B]

Because it's the Internet and I'm a comedian.

[D]

But it's not that funny, though, isn't it?

[B]

See, but. But that's Actually, a lot of people thought it, but by the way, you can pause it right there. So FYI, as much as he is using that, as once he got corner, corner, corner, corner, corner, what's the last thing right? Guess what? He can use that. Cuz he's right.

[D]

He is. He's a comedian.

[B]

He is a comedian. Respectfully. No, no, but what I'm trying to say is he can use that insurance card as a comedian. Guess who can't use that. CNN cannot use that. Thank you. They cannot. Kaitlan Collins cannot use that. I'm gonna go to the Obama clip, then I'm gonna come to you guys for your thoughts. Rob, go ahead and play this Obama clip and tell me how you feel about what's going on here. Go for it. Obviously, I didn't know Charlie Kirk. I was generally aware of some of his ideas. Generally, I think those ideas were wrong. Yeah, but that doesn't negate the fact that what happened was a tragedy and that I mourn for him and his family. He's a young man with two small children and a wife who obviously. And a huge number of friends and supporters who cared about him. And so we have to extend grace to people during their period of mourning and shock. We can also, at the same time, two people clap, say that I disagree with the idea that the Civil Rights act of 1964 was a mistake. That's not me politicizing the issue. It's making an observation about who are we as a country. I can say that I disagree with the suggestion that my wife or Justice Jackson does not have adequate brain processing power. I can say that I disagree that Martin Luther King was awful. I can disagree with some of the broader suggestions.

[D]

How folded is his leg? How Where? I can't even get over that.

[B]

Let's see what he says here. Liberals and Democrats are promoting a conspiracy to displace whites and replace them by ushering in. You can pause it right there because. So, Tom, what do you think about the whole Kaitlan Khan, cnn, Ted Cruz and Barack Obama.

[A]

Okay, first of all, Kaitlan and Ted Cruz, you have to remember, every interview that is on CNN is just like an article. You read an article that's like describing a guy they call man in full articles, Vanity Fair. Then there's hit pieces, then there's investigation. And everything you see on CNN is one of those that was meant to be an opportunity to, you know, bend the senator a little bit and get him upset and get him saying things and then kind of go after him. And you have to remember it's not just Caitlin Clark there. She is not a career journalist. She's a commentator. You have to look where she came from. She's not an investigative journalist. This is not the young, modern version of Mike Wallace or People of Bad Elk. She's a commentator. She has a producer in her ear that is talking to her and is directing the flow of this. And she attempted to get him going, and she was wrong. And then she doubled down and was using and tried to put herself in a position. Oh, with all due respect, with all due respect. With all due respect. Making her look gracious and to the point. But she was wrong and he had her and he was wrong. And Ted Cruz is not the easiest guy to interview. And sometimes he gets kind of. Kind of rough and kind of pushes. And so what I see there is Caitlin just needed to say, I misspoke. What I'm meaning is this, and restate the question. But she's going to double down because she's going to keep. The purpose of it was to get him upset and to get clips out of it later. That's what they're there to do. They're not there to inform us. They're not there to do anything else. That's that one. Now, Obama, man, that does not look like Obama. He's speaking slow, he's being careful, and he's carefully trying to bring up all of these incendiary barbs, but it's not the old Obama. You know, we need to extend some grace, which means I think he's wrong. And so I gotta give him grace. And he just didn't look like Obama. Obama got paraded out at the end of the election, and it didn't do any good. And guess what? Obama is getting paraded out now. It's like the bat signal. It's like, we gotta get Obama. Let's go get him. And so they're reaching out to get him. You know, I'd like to know what he's thinking. I'd honestly like to know what he's thinking. And I'd love to sit down with him and say, Mr. President, you know, emeritus, you know, what are you thinking there? You were very measured. You were very slow. What was the thought process that didn't look like you. You've always been a defense definitive communicator. It didn't always agree what you said, but it didn't look like you, and it was weird.

[D]

Well, first of all, and I'm sorry, Pat, I just, I. I've never seen somebody's legs. I'M sorry that I, my, they were folded so hard. I don't like. No, no, no. I'm not even trying to be funny how. It just hurts me. It's. The leg is almost behind him.

[B]

But anyway, for somebody actually to be respect. He's actually in shape, can play basketball 100%. He's very active. So he's taking care of his health.

[D]

Oh, no, for sure. I just, I, I can't sit like that.

[B]

I've never seen you sit like that.

[C]

But we know more basketball this year. I'll tell you that.

[B]

I know more than.

[D]

No, no, no, no.

[B]

Trust me.

[C]

We did a pick and roll right now. I know basketball check.

[D]

So for someone and look at just, just the blatant lie. Like he's. Like, I didn't know him well, but he just went through a list of five things in order, in depth about what he said and what he feels and his points of view. So I don't buy none of that. They know exactly who the hell is Charlie Kirk was. Because his voice was huge. That aside, when it comes to Kaitlan Collins, there's more of a question about do you think these talking points, her attitude is because they don't want to take accountability because they know networks like CNN are the ones saying all the stuff, the fascist, the dog whistle, the rallying the troops, so to speak, that do stuff like this. So is she saying it because she's getting orders from the top to say this? Because she can't admit to that? She can't say, well, we know that he's a leftist. We know that he's, you know, he called Trump a fascist, wrote the stuff on the, you know, we kind of take a little bit of fault for pushing this ideology and this rhetoric that might have pushed him.

[A]

Why do they answer your own question. Does she do her research and write her show or does CNN's political people.

[D]

From their angle CNN for sure. There you go. But I'm saying, though, so, so my question to you is, so she's just willing, and I get these people are out there, she's just willing to take a paycheck to be a commentator and.

[A]

Be more left than she was 15 years ago. Yes.

[D]

And that's what it is. Okay? And that drives me nuts because you're the networks, the MSNBCs, the CNNs, and all those freaking pundits out there that keep saying the word fascist, Hitler, Nazis, and they're scared to take accountability for what they do because a lot of people go, you mean calling somebody a fascist is going to make me do something. Yeah, guys, we're normal. But those crazy, those Tyler, furry, transgender, whatever the hell they are, they keep hearing it. Guys, they're weak. They're weak and they're captured by evil. And that dog whistle takes one person. It takes one person to go and freaking Butler and get on that roof and try to shoot Trump. Which I think there was another person, but that's another one. Or this Tyler guy at the water tower. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think it's. I think it's. I think it's lazy. And I think Obama's lying about saying, oh, I really didn't know him. You know, exactly who the hell Charlie Kirk was.

[C]

Look, you say this all the time, Pat. We need a synergist in this country and we need it bad. Who's unifying people at this point? I mean, you talked about this the other day, I believe, with Candace. Just like, calm down. You're. You're increasing the flames, you're increasing the temperature. Who's the synergist out there these days? Is it Obama? No. Is Trump unifying people? Hardly. Was the Pope? Definitely not. Well, maybe this new Pope we'll see. Is LeBron. Is Tucker. You know, they say with great power comes great responsibility. It's so easy at this point to quote, unquote, dunk on the other side. Gotcha. You know, we own the libs, bro. We crushed you on that one, dog. All right, point, right side. Oh, we fact check you. You're lying. Got you. That's so easy to do at this point.

[B]

It.

[C]

We're all guilty of it. I'm guilty of it. We're all guilty of it. But, you know, Pat, you know, last night I was with Marcelo and he's doing a stand up special after the show for an hour. We hung out in the. The green room. We were just talking and we were talking Charlie Kirk and we were talking politics, and we did it, and we did basically a podcast, to be honest with you, the type of podcast the world needs to see. A black guy who loves Trump. He's doing a Trump impersonation. Marcelo, whose mom fled Cuba, hates communism, but they're also Hispanic. Latino. So they're like, well, what's going on? You're kind of vilifying Latin, like, and. And we talked about the concept of having grace and being a unifier and being like, listen, guys, we have so much more in common that divides us, but we want to amplify the far left and the far right. And we think that everybody on the far left, if You're a Democrat.

[D]

Well, you're evil.

[B]

You're.

[C]

You eat children, you eat babies. It's like, that's the far, far, far, far left. Or if you want to vilify the far right, you're racist. It's like, dude, nobody's hanging people from trees these days. Calm down. Everyone wants to be right. Everyone wants to get their clip. Everyone wants to go viral for dunking on the other side. You know, they said. We interviewed the guy, Rick Sanchez, years ago, and he. Remember his famous quote, if it bleeds, it leads. It's so easy to dunk on the other side, to talk trash. It's way harder to see. Hey, man, I hear you, bro. I hear you. Charlie Kirk attempted to do that. Don't get it twisted. But people out there think that all he did was going around dunking on the other side. I would argue that he made his entire career by attempting and trying to find common ground. But people will clip the worst of the worst of the worst. And then you have Barack Obama. Barack Obama basically saying, you know, I disagreed with him on pretty much everything, but, you know, he doesn't deserve this ending, really. Jamie Lee Curtis was like, I found everything he. He thought to be abhorrent, and I disagreed with everything. No, you didn't. You actually didn't. But that's an easy thing to say. We need more unifiers. We need more synergists. Let's find common ground.

[D]

I agree. I agree with that part, Adam. But when it comes to, you know, and I get it, people want to dunk and do everything but the left. And we showed the chart when Eric Bolling was here. It's 10, 8 times, 6 times more than it's the left, because they've been indoctrinated, Adam. And it's like, bro, I'm so proud.

[B]

Of you from where you were.

[D]

Look at where you're at. Look at what happened, Adam. And this. This isn't happening. This isn't happening more than it should be. Because, Adam, the truth and common sense, they have a freaking. A brainwashing system messiah on these people. And, Adam, you're talking about. And I've talked about family members that are still celebrating and. And now another one of hoping and waiting for Donald Trump to die. There's something mentally wrong and spiritually wrong with his people, Adam, and it's way, way, way, way more on the opposite side.

[C]

Well, can I say one thing? You're absolutely right. And a lot of it comes from having great leadership around you, great team around you, being willing and reasonable. I'll say this. One of the things that the right would always say. I think Ben Shapiro coined this. He goes, facts don't care about your feelings. Facts don't care about your feelings. Correct. The facts don't. But people actually do have feelings. Good luck telling your girlfriend that you're fighting with. Babe, don't worry about it. It's not that big of a deal. That argument will never end. Babe, it's not that big of a deal. What's with your feelings and your emotions? That's all they're thinking about.

[B]

So.

[C]

So to. To dismiss people's feelings and emotions is dismissing their actual reality.

[B]

Yeah, but listen, respectfully, Barack Obama was so divisive in America.

[C]

I fully agree.

[B]

He divided America in ways that we hadn't had for many years. Every time something happened, he would use a race card. So did his wife. So people got sick of it. It was just getting too much. And every time he was president, every problem ever happened. If you remember the one phrase used all the time, I inherited this administration. We had to hear that for five, six years. People got tired of it. Having said that, where we are today, you're not going to get rid of people that are going to be doing their loud podcasting stuff and doing all that stuff. There's a massive business model for that. People are going to follow that. It's not going to go away. The reality of it is whoever chooses to play the synergist position are typically the most hated people. Whoever chooses to play the synergist position is typically the most hated people. There's a reason why we don't take sponsorship money on PBD podcast specifically. You realize every time people are like, kimberly, you're selling merch. Yes, because we don't take sponsorship money. I can't believe we don't manect. Yes, because we don't take sponsorship money. I can't believe we don't consult. Yes, because we don't take sponsorship money. What's your point? We don't have to answer to anybody because they told us what to do here. And we have control of our companies. We own all our companies. We're majority shareholders of all our companies. We just made a massive announcement last week at the Vault, which I'll make the announcement here to all of you guys here soon, because I got. I got to go shoot the video with them and then I'll make the announcement to you. But everybody's playing different role. No one's here trying to judge anybody else. All I'm trying to say is as we're going through this next phase and all these guys are coming out of nowhere acting like they were unifiers. Obama was not a unifier. The last time Obama was a unifier when he gave his DNC speech in 04. The moment he became the president, he started dividing America in a massive way. And we have to hear the rhetoric every day on how he got a Nobel Prize for doing what? Nothing. Nine months after giving a speech at the Berlin Wall. So yeah, there's nothing there for us to sit there and recognize. By the way, Byron Donalds and Rashid Taleb, I don't know if you guys saw this one or not. Did you see the back and forth between the two?

[D]

It was unbearable.

[B]

I want to play two clips here. I'll go with this one and then I'll go over to a best friend clip. I'll show it to you guys. But this is Rashid Taleb and Byron Donald's going at it non stop. Go ahead. By the way, did they misspell her name or am I saying it wrong?

[C]

Rashid Talib. But it's spelled.

[B]

Okay. Go ahead, Rob.

[C]

Weird conjunctions.

[A]

It's really important. We need to stand up against this fascist takeover. That's not a bad word.

[B]

It's a fact.

[A]

And here in D.C. and across the country, it is so incredibly important.

[B]

Mr.

[A]

Chair. That this committee does not allow rhetoric that defames and or paints Washington D.C. in a way that you all haven't really truly seen. You're just reading it.

[B]

No, you're just reading it or something off of some. Will the gentlelady yield to a question? Yeah, I think it's really important. Will the gentle lady yield? I don't yield. I don't even have time. I can tell your time's expired.

[A]

It is expired.

[B]

But Mr. Chair. But you all live here and you're.

[A]

Not telling people the beautiful parts that.

[B]

You do see in the our nation's capital and.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

It's just wrong.

[C]

Chairman, I think it's insane.

[B]

If the generator doesn't have an argument, but she's going to refer to me and some of my colleagues. We were from the Third Reich. This is.

[A]

You're gonna look at 14, 15 year olds?

[B]

It's insane. Do I look like a member of the Third Reich to you? Ms. Talib, please. Is that what I look like to you?

[A]

You're the one taking your.

[B]

Is that.

[D]

Is that what you think?

[B]

Is that what you think?

[D]

Imagine being in a house.

[B]

I think it's radical and I think it's insane. And I don't respect everything that you say. But to say something like that to myself, a lot of my colleagues is way out of line. It's way out of line. Regular order.

[D]

That's okay.

[B]

But it's okay, right? That is not how it goes. It's okay, right?

[A]

You hold yourself accountable.

[D]

Before you talk about hold myself accountable.

[B]

Hold your own self accountable. How about that? Hold your own self.

[D]

Imagine being married to her.

[B]

Good Lord.

[D]

Oh, my God.

[B]

You're watching that exchange between the two, right? Going back and forth. And by the way, kudos to Byron Donalds, man. He stayed poised the entire time. Respect to him for what he said, right? Staying poised the entire time. At the same time, there's another incident of who was the one in the church, Rob? Ilhan Omar's in shirts saying in Dearborn. Go ahead and play this clip, Ralph. Play this clip on what this lady at this church is saying. Ilhan Omar. And then Trump comes out and tweets about it. Trump comes out and tweets about it, and the next thing you know, you're like, wait a minute, what just happened here? Is she talking to a Christian church, telling them what to do? Watch this clip here, folks. Okay, so this is a Christian church, Ilhan Omar. And look what she has to say.

[D]

I do believe those of you who.

[B]

Are interested in rewriting this hateful man's history are full of.

[D]

By the way, how shame on every single person in that Christian church that let a Muslim freaking woman go in there and cuss on the pulpit where the altar is.

[B]

Are you.

[D]

What?

[B]

And clap.

[D]

What the hell did I just see?

[B]

And then this is what Trump tweeted about.

[D]

Oh, my God.

[A]

What kind of a church is that?

[B]

What?

[D]

Gathering? Any church.

[B]

Let's actually look into what church is. I'd want to know what church.

[A]

Something's. Something ain't calibrated about that.

[B]

Yeah, let's find out what church it is.

[D]

Oh, my God.

[B]

But here's. Here's President Trump on Ilhan Omar. And by the way, is this the same thing that he tweeted out? Because it's. I'll find the tweet.

[A]

This is him on Air Force One, I believe, last night talking about Ilhan Omar being censored.

[B]

Go for censured.

[A]

I think she should be impeached.

[B]

I think she's terrible. Is she originally from Somalia?

[A]

So how are they doing this?

[B]

How's their government?

[A]

Do they have a president?

[B]

Do they have a council? Do they have anything? Can have police.

[A]

I love these people that come from a place with nothing. With nothing. No, anything. And then they tell us how to run our country.

[B]

Now, I, I think she. If she got. If she got censored, that's great.

[A]

If she got impeached, that's even better. They impeached me twice for nothing. And they impeach me knowing the Republicans.

[B]

Are on my side. So they knew it was just that.

[A]

They impeached me.

[B]

She should be impeached and it should happen faster. Yeah, so he says that, but on the tweet, he gets a little bit deeper. Okay. On. On. On the Truth social that he posted. And he gets personal on what he says. On the truth. Did you see this one or not?

[A]

I'm very descriptive about Somalia.

[B]

Very, very descriptive. So I'll put this. I'll read this to you specifically the last two paragraphs, two sentences. So he goes on Somalia, who has a lack of government control, pension poverty, hunger, resurgence in terrorism, piracy, decades of civil war, corruption, pervasive violence. 70% of population lives in extreme poverty and widespread food insecurity. Somalia is consistently ranked among the world's most corrupt countries, including bribery, embezzlement, a dysfunctional government, all of this. And Ilhan Omar tells us how to run America. P.S. wasn't she the one that married her brother in order to gain citizenship?

[D]

Bingo.

[B]

Gotcha. The scum we have in our country telling us what to do and how to do it. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Make America great again. I mean, when you have people like that, that are in office, that hate what we stand for and their religion, what they believe in, I've made it very clear on who I believe needs to be involved in politics to become Congress, Senate, running cities, states. You're in a very slippery slope. And then, by the way, in this message she's given in Somalia, she's talking about. She wants to. Did you see this one, Vinny? She's saying she wants to fix everything here and she wants to go back to Somalia. Did you see this?

[D]

No.

[B]

Okay, watch this. One year. This is in her language and being translated. Go forward. Why don't we accelerate the timeline? Go. Why do we accelerate?

[D]

Because she wants to destroy, Pat. She wants. She wants to infiltrate and destroy as much as she can here before she leaves.

[B]

So this is a part of the Constitution that I'm uncomfortable with. This part right here, because we're not. Just watch what's going on with Ukraine. What do you think is going to happen here? The lady that just got promoted, she's the first female parliament, Muslim female parliament, I believe in uk and she just became the first female chancellor. Something her job. Shabana, Something like that. Mohammed. I think that's her name. Rob. I'm saying. I'm butchering the name, but what's her name? Shabana. Yeah, I actually got it right. Shabbana Mahmoud. Okay. And have you heard her speech? What she says?

[C]

No.

[B]

Have you heard her speech? No. She says everything she does in her life, she's devoted, and she does it based on a religion of Muslim. Everything that she does that comes first. Everything that comes first. And guess what? You have to take her word for it. That's where she's at. And you know what her job is now. Let me tell you what her job is now. She now just became. What was the job that she got robbed. If you go back on where you were at a minute ago, you were on her Wikipedia.

[A]

She is the House secretary.

[B]

She's the house secretary, but it's deeper than that. She actually is dealing with. Go a little bit lower.

[C]

Immigration.

[B]

And she deals with immigration. Yeah, she deals with immigration. It's what she's doing now. So take a perfect case study. You know, when I'm coming up in business, I'm watching all the other guys that screwed up their insurance businesses, and I'd watch what they would do wrong, and I would watch who did what right. And they're like, okay, I'm gonna do this right. That guy didn't do it right. Yeah. Here she is. Go ahead and play that clip, Rob. I think this is the one.

[D]

Islam, my own religion. Like a lot of practicing Muslims, my.

[B]

Faith is the most important thing in my life.

[D]

It is the absolute driver of everything that I do. I feel a very strong calling of my own conscience, and my conscience calls me to God.

[B]

That's how I respect it.

[D]

Good for her. Keep it there.

[B]

That's right. But guess what? We have that in America now, and we can do something about it. If we don't, someone has got to have the audacity to make some kind of a decision. If you're here in our politics and you hate America, what are you doing here? I agree. It's very simple. What are you doing here? If you're trying to be divisive and destroy America, get out of politics where you have access to information, go back to your country, do whatever else you want to do. I'm not supportive of what they're doing to divide America right now. Talking about this is. What was a line that she used? What was the line that she used right there? Dearborn Muslim mayor Unleashes on Christian residents at city meeting. You're not welcome here. What do you mean you're not welcome here? Rob, do you have that clip. Yes. Of you're not welcome here. What do you mean? You're not welcome here, bro.

[A]

Here in Dearborn.

[B]

You're not welcome here. Go ahead, Rob. I mean, Hezbollah, you know, bombed the embassy in. In Beirut and including many Americans. So I just feel that's quite inappropriate. You are an Islamophobe, and although you.

[C]

Live here, I want you to know.

[B]

As mayor, you are not welcome here.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

And the day you move out of the city will be the day that.

[C]

I launch a parade celebrating the fact.

[B]

That you moved on.

[C]

That's amazing because you are not somebody.

[B]

Who believe in coexistence. Wow. That's how bold they're getting.

[D]

It's. It's. It has begun.

[B]

Get bold.

[D]

It has begun.

[B]

Bolder and bolder. This is not going to slow down.

[D]

No.

[B]

Anytime soon, just so you know. It is not going to be slow.

[D]

And just to throw this up at Ilhan Omar, speaking of her. And by the way, because she wants to go Somalia and she has. By the way, did you know that she came into Congress in 2019 with a net worth of negative $45,000, and by 2023, she only reported about 51,000. Now, on her latest disclosure, from May 2025, she's sitting up on $30 million. That's a 66,000% jump in six years. Put that to the side.

[B]

Is that a disclosure?

[D]

That's. That's a disclosure, Rob.

[B]

Is that is. Can you fact check that she's worth $30 million?

[D]

Ilhan Omar.

[C]

Ilhan Omar is not worth 30?

[D]

They're going to. They're going to. They're going to. Let's see.

[A]

What.

[C]

How is she worth $30 million?

[D]

You tell me.

[C]

As a representative from Little Mogadishu, Minneapolis.

[B]

Minnesota, including husbands estimated to be 6 to 30 million dollars. That's a big range of the value. Comes from business associated with her husband, a winery S2 Wines valued between 1 and $5 million in venture capital from Rose Capital. She's got valued at 5 to 25 million dollars, which she said Omar's office has pushed back on claims that a personal net worth is. The million is pointing out that the disclosed valuations are share and partner business assets, not necessarily what she owns. She has said that she still has student loan debts and given arrangements of her household. Rob, can you type in who her husband is? Who is her husband?

[D]

Is it that guy that she married. Sounds like allegedly.

[C]

Sounds like he's a capitalist. Ironic.

[D]

Sounds like he's doing a great job.

[B]

Can you go see who the husband is? Type in Tim Minette. What a great name.

[A]

Let me see if I understand this. A Muslim's husband owns a winery.

[D]

I thought she married her brother.

[A]

Checking my notes, that's against the rules.

[C]

And a sausage factory. What is going on here?

[B]

A little bit lower.

[D]

But wait, what about the guy that. The married guy?

[B]

I thought he was Somalian squad. Okay, I want to know about her husband. That's what I want to know. Okay, what is her husband? Okay, what does Tim Minette do? Go a little bit lower. Minet is a political consultant, fundraiser, politician. According to his firm Upside, he has raised over $100 million for a member of organization. Also worked with Angela Jolie's Global Action for Children's Foundation. On top of that, he's alumni of University of Kauzulu Natal in South Africa and said to have deep connections in both Washington D.C. and Hollywood. And his legal troubles. Go a little bit lower. In June, Minnesota Reformer reported that Minette and his business partner were accused of fraud and breach of contract in relation to their wine and marijuana business.

[D]

Marijuana, yes.

[B]

Enterprises. Since collapse, the pair are facing multiple lawsuits. Go a little bit lower. Go a little bit lower. Go a little bit lower. Okay. All right. Okay.

[C]

So Tom makes a great point.

[D]

You're a Muslim girl. You're all about your faith and everything. But you know what? She shared a video and Rob I smoking and drinking. She this. This is who she is and this is what her soul is. She shared a video that says Charlie Clerk was reprehensible human being, a sarcastic terrorist and that his dying words, he was spewing racist dog whistles. Charlie Kirk was Frankenstein and his monster shot him through the neck. Okay.

[C]

She said.

[D]

And in other words, Charlie had it coming. Okay? And that's the people are losing their jobs left and right from Kimmel to everybody. And yet this is a America hating congresswoman and she's promoting that type of crap and nothing happens to her.

[A]

Well, for her to lose her job, she's got to get unelected. So enough citizens have to be in.

[D]

There, not in her, not in her district.

[A]

That's exactly right.

[D]

They call it like little Mogadishu where what does that was that tell you about what she is? But guess what? They want this freaking. They want the smoke. They're going to get it, trust me. It ain't going to be good for them.

[C]

Not all immigrants are created equal like if you go down into Miami, down to Little Havana, you're talking about little Mogadishu, Somalia. This is the most hardcore Republican, anti Fidel Castro, anti communist, anti socialist. Like ask anyone from Latin America who immigrated here, they're like a communism. What is that, man? No, we don't play this game. They love America so much. They love Ronald Reagan so much. Half of them don't speak English. But I love America, man.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

The really old ones, but then you have, it was Nixon that opened the doors and gave them their freedom.

[C]

The really old ones, I don't know really the old ones. TOM but the, the reality is they love America. The problem is a lot of these people that come here, especially in these parts of towns is Minnesota, this blue liberal cities. They ended up hating America. And that's the biggest problem, problem that people have is like we say, forget about all the legal stuff. Forget just the, the feelings of we take you into our country, we give you access to our world and then you just want to all over America. We have a major problem with that.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, let's get to the next story here on what we have. I'm going to go to a quick business story here. Fed approves quarter point interest rate cuts and sees two more coming this year. Rob, if you want to pull that up, I do know you have a clip on that. So page 18. Federal Reserve proves a quarter point rate cut, lowering the benchmark overnight lending rate to a range of four to four and a quarter with an eleven to one vote where newly installed Governor Steve Stephen Moran dissented advocating for half a point cut. The Federal Open Market Committee signaled two more cuts before the end of the year is indicated in their dot plot through nine of 19 participants expected only one more reduction, while 10 saw two potentially at October and December meetings. Here's Jerome Powell. Go forward, Rob. Good afternoon.

[A]

My colleagues and I remain squarely focused on achieving our dual mandate goals of maximum employment and stable prices for the benefit of the American people. While the unemployment rate remains low, it has edged up, job gains have slowed and downside risks to employment have risen. At the same time, inflation has risen recently and remains somewhat elevated. In support of our goals and in light of the shift in the balance of risks today the Federal Open Market Committee decided to lower our policy interest rate by a quarter percentage point. We also decided to continue to reduce our securities holdings. I'll have more to say about monetary policy after briefly reviewing economic developments. Recent indicators suggest that growth of economic activity has moderated GDP growth. GDP rose at a pace of around 1.5% in the first half of the year, down from 2.5% last year. The moderation in growth largely reflects a slowdown in consumer spending. In contrast, business investment in equipment and intangibles has picked up from last year's pace. Activity in the housing sector remains weak. In our summary of economic projections, the median participant projects GDP to rise 1.6% this year and 1.8% next year, a touch stronger than projected in June.

[B]

Okay, pause right there, Tom. Thoughts?

[A]

Well, first of all, this is what we wanted to have happen for a couple reasons. And there's a balance here. First of all, the good side, the good side is we just made debt for businesses a little less expensive. But more importantly, we made our debt, the national debt, less expensive because we pay interest on it based on this. So that's significant. And that's really what Trump's been pushing about because Trump's budget includes payments on the national debt and there's interest on that. Benny, that's what we have to pay, right? We have all this debt, we have all this interest. Well, we got to pay somebody. And it's all the people that own that debt. Japan owns a bunch of debt, you know, China owns debt. All of those get the interest rate. When the interest rate's lower, it costs us less to pay on our debt. Now our debt should be, we should be working to pay that off somehow, someday. But that's point one. Point two is he said business investment was ticking up and so a quarter point benefit in cost of lending to businesses helps them because when business ticks up and the investment ticks up, job growth usually follows. And right now, job growth is sluggish. It is real. The job market is cooling a little bit. And that's also a reason to drop the rate so that businesses can invest and hopefully you get the jobs back. Now there's a trickle down effect where the bond market gets affected by this. And the bond market is what helps determine mortgage rates. And right now mortgage rates were like six and three eighths. They went down a little bit and now they've ticked back up to like six and a half. So for all of us, if you have a job and you like that job, keep that job. If you're looking around for a job, maybe be less picky and maybe more flexible for yourself. And if you're running a small business, you should check your line of credit and check things because you might be able to get a little less expensive debt. And the US Budget's going To benefit. And then Rob, do you have that? I've got the thing on the cme. And real quick, when they talk about what's coming, this is now we've reached the realm of basically near certainty. Yeah, scroll right down there and click on October. It's like a 91% chance we're getting another cut in October. And these guys are economists, are like, right. And then go to December 10th right next to it, the little white box up higher, higher left, higher, higher left. There you go. And December, 82%. So it's about a quarter percent in October, quarter percent in December. And so we want the, the job market to pick up a little bit because it's cooling.

[B]

And by the way, I looked at the last few times we increased, we lowered rates. Okay, September 2025, quarter of a point previous December 2024, quarter November 2024 quarter September 2024 half previous to that there was no rate cuts till March of 2020. So in the last 12 months there's been exactly four rate cuts. Roughly 1.25 is what they've done. So we'll see what this is going to do. Finally, he's there. Two more going into the end of the year. There's a couple moves that happen. Intel and Nvidia. Nvidia announced that they're going to be investing $5 billion into stake of intel, joining the US government as a major shareholder. This caused intel to surge 18% after the money was put into it. I'm a little bit more comfortable with this happening of a company investing into another company than the government investing into another company. Rob, what is this clip here?

[A]

This is just from Reuters covering the intel and Nvidia deal.

[B]

Go for it. Nvidia is to invest $5 billion in intel, throwing its heft behind the struggling US chip maker. It comes just weeks after the White House engineered an extraordinary deal for the US government to take a massive stake in the company. The deal will make Nvidia one of Intel's largest shareholders, giving it roughly 4% or more of the company after new shares are issued to complete the deal. Nvidia's support represents a new opening for intel after years of turnaround efforts. It also triggered a 24% jump in the chipmakers shares in pre market action. Company appointed new. Rob, can you also look up what Larry Ellison's net worth is right now? Can you pull that up while this is going on? When Rob's pulling that up, I think his number right now all of a sudden went from couple hundred billion to $450 billion. Now it's at $362 billion and Elon's at 480. For a minute, for a day he was ahead of Elon and Elon is now at 480. I think Elon put a billion dollars of bought more Tesla shares that caused the stock to go up and you're seeing some of the stuff that's happening. Tom, your thoughts here with. I don't like the word that she used, but I want you to clarify. She said the struggling chip maker Nvidia put $5 billion in the struggling chip maker Intel. Thoughts?

[A]

Yeah. Intel's had some market share issues and it's had some slowdowns in certain sectors and it missed the boat. It's one of the premier chip makers in the world. But who's building all the AI chips? It's got the big market share, Nvidia. But what intel has is a lot of manufacturing capability that you were seeing that B roll there. A lot of it. I like the fact. You know what this reminds me of, Pat? This is something you and I both know about is when Microsoft helped Apple and reached across the industry to a competitor to help them. And Microsoft felt that Apple and its computers and what it was doing primarily for ad agencies and creatives at that time was important and they did it. And the Apple people was like we're taking money from Satan cause they hated Bill Gates and Microsoft. But in the end it helped everyone. And I'm hoping that this is what Jensen Huang is thinking about. What I also hope is that the US government backs off. I don't want and don't like the US government owning part of any company. Cuz that means laws in Washington, things that are happening in Washington. Anything that's going on in Washington, that scares me to death because I don't want Washington to have a vested interest. Oh, do we make this regulation? Do we make this law? Hang on, hang on. We own 5% of that one. Maybe go easy on it. I mean we've been screaming about Nancy Pelosi and her. Nancy Pelosi's magic stock fund. That's genius. It's not genius. It's based on regulation. So I don't like that part, but I like that someone is reaching across the aisle. Hey, you're making chips for servers, you're making chips for laptops, you're making chips for, you know, desktop PCs. We make all these AI chips. You know what? I'm going to invest in you and I'm going to help reach across. I think That's a good thing. And I'm hoping. I'd like to see Pat. The US Government not do the deal it's talking about. I'd like to leave it in the. In the market between Nvidia and Intel.

[B]

Adam.

[C]

Well, follow the money. I think that's what we're saying. Regarding interest rates. If I could just. So the interest rates. Looks like Trump is sort of getting his way with Jerome Powell. We'll see if he fires him. I know he's been talking a lot about that, but I remember the first time that I heard about bips. You know about bips, Vinnie?

[D]

No.

[C]

Okay, let me biff you up right quick. So I used to go around when I was. When I first got into insurance and finance, and I was like, pretending, you know, fake it till you make it. I was like, yeah, the bips, bro. You gotta. The 25 bips. Do you know what a BIP is? I was like, yeah, it's a. The bip. It stands for basis points. I was like, yeah, I knew that. I didn't know that. But we just cut it 25 bits, which is 0.25. So they're talking about maybe by the end of the year, getting IT down to 75 or 100bps basis points. Let me explain. Let me explain this to you, Vinny. It'd be the equivalent of this 25 basis points. Yo, it's the morning. You know what? Give me a little shot of espresso, wake me up a little bit. All right, cool. I'm ready to tackle the day. Little energy boost.

[D]

Great.

[C]

That's what just happened in the economy. You throw 100 bips in in the next three, six months, bro, that's like chugging three Red Bulls, a Celsius shout out to Keeler. It's like, let's go, Tom. Baby, you have the. You have the risk of overheating. I had actually, this morning, people. But here's my point. More like a cat you've talked about multiple times, actually. Don't want them to cut the rates too much. Don't cut it too much right now, the current bips. The current.

[B]

It's too much. Fun rate. Too much too quick. Yeah.

[D]

Is that what's happening?

[C]

Well, it hasn't done it yet.

[D]

Not yet.

[C]

But if they do this, the current Fed fund rate is basically four and a quarter right now. Do you know the historical average is basically where we're at right now, between 4 and 5%. Little food for thought here. In the last 15, 20 years, it's been 0%. 0%. Twice free money. Take the money forever.

[D]

You get a car.

[C]

You get a car.

[B]

Oprah.

[C]

Oprah. Oprah. It was right after the Great Recession, 2008 and right during COVID in 2020, 000 when we were born in the early 80s, let's say late 70s for some of you. Do you know what the Fed fund rate was at that point? 19%.

[D]

Geez.

[C]

Those are credit card rates.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

There you're using.

[D]

Yeah. For a mortgage.

[A]

For a car.

[C]

Like insane. So right now, I think as much as Trump is like laying the pressure in on Jerome Powell, I think we're in a good spot.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He said there's a dual mandate. Inflation and unemployment and keeping people employed. We're at a decent time right now. Let's not screw this up by taking more shots at tequila and Red bull.

[D]

I bought two houses yesterday.

[B]

So yeah.

[C]

So strippers in 2008.

[B]

So you know, rates to Nvidia. Now we have to put the clips together because Adam doesn't understand separating the two clips. But I appreciate that Adam. So guys, go going back to it. So with Rob, you're going to have to find a way to make that one work. But it's very helpful. But you're right about the interest rates. When you lower the interest rates too much, what ends up happening is it helps guys like me out. My concern is we, we not right now need the other guys to catch up and it's too much of a gap that we can go lowering is good, but too much too quick. Again, serves. Serves me well. It doesn't affect me at all. But it hurts some of the other guys trying to buy a house. It's just going to help me out. More money's going to be cheaper for me. If money's cheaper, I can go get a few hundred million dollars, go buy up a bunch of companies. If money's cheaper, there's a bunch of things I can do. I mean we're about to. The market's about to find out what we're going to do the next 12, 24, 36 months. But. But you know, it's a different game to be played.

[C]

Who does this hurt? You think?

[B]

If the rates go lower than if I'm selling my house at a million now I'm going to sell it for 1.1 million. Now the person that's trying to get the money, he can't qualify for 1.1 million. And you know that's a bigger price. But we'll see. We'll see what's going to happen here. We'll see what's going to happen here. Let me get to the next story here. Next door here is Bill Ackman Sheriff's Charlie Kirk text to dispel Candace claims of. What is it? Israel blackmail. What? So is this the one? This is what Bill Ackman released. And what is this showing, Rob? This is showing communication between apparently when.

[C]

They had the Hamptons dinner.

[A]

This is the text message before or after.

[B]

Which one is him? Is he the green or is he the white?

[C]

He is in the green, sir.

[B]

So how are you? Is that Charlie Kirk? So green, green, green is Bill Ackman, I believe. How are you? I'm doing great. Really enjoyed our time together last week. Thank you again for doing that. It was great and great to get to know you better. We should do dinner sometime with the ladies. Absolutely. That would be awesome. Let me know when you will be. Okay. So the green is Billy, New York City. We'll have you over. Yes, thank you. I will. We are there a few times this fall. Great. Just let me know. Okay. So this is. This is showing that. What? That they were texting each other. Why is he showing this? What's the purpose of showing this text?

[C]

To prove their relationship, I would assume. Well, because the narrative that was being.

[A]

Put out was that it was a contentious meeting in the Hamptons. Charlie Kirk left and he was feeling pressured to adapt a more pro Israel stance by Bill Ackman, Seth Dillon and.

[C]

The people at that meeting.

[A]

This text shows that they had a cordial dinner, apparently.

[B]

Okay, so. So the claim is that Charlie was being pressured to give money. And some people are going as far as saying this is a way of claiming that maybe Israel had their hands on the assassination with Charlie. Is that kind of where they're going with this?

[A]

Yeah. The insinuation is Israel was mad.

[B]

Okay, got it. So play this clip. And this is Netanyahu responding.

[A]

This is Netanyahu just denouncing any type of ties for Israel to Charlie Kirk's assassination.

[B]

Go for it. Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, said that the bigger the lie, the faster it will spread. Well, somebody has fabricated a monstrous big lie. That Israel had something to do with Charlie Kirk's horrific murder. This is insane. It is false. It is outrageous. Charlie Kirk was a giant. A once in a century talent who defended freedom, defended America, defended our common Judeo Christian civilization. Charlie loved Israel. He loved the Jewish people. He told me so in a letter that he sent me just a few months ago. One of my greatest joys as A Christian, he said, is advocating for Israel and forming alliances with Jews to protect Judeo Christian civilization. He encouraged me to make the case directly to the American people about how vital Israel is to US national security. He told me, the Holy Land is so important to my life, it pains me to see support for Israel slip away. Now, if Charlie disagreed with a policy of mine or decision here and there, not only did I not mind, I welcomed it. This is the essence of Charlie. This is the essence of a free country. It's exactly what Charlie said he welcomed. What? What did he welcome?

[D]

And I knew this like the back and forth. Charlie disagreed with him.

[B]

He was cool with it from his love for Israel and from his love for the Jewish people. A few weeks before his death, I spoke to Charlie. I invited him to visit Israel again. And sadly, that won't happen. Now, some are peddling these disgusting rumors, perhaps out of obsession, perhaps with Qatari funding. What I do know is this. Charlie Kirk was a great man. And a great man deserves honor, not lies. Can pause it right there, Vinnie. Thoughts? Yeah.

[D]

I mean, again, I'll go back to it. I want receipts. I want proof. If you're out there saying that Charlie, God rest his soul, was assassinated by Israel, show it to me. And guess what? I'll be with you. Show me the proof. But right now, what we're seeing is some psycho, brainwashed, soulless kid who's lost whose boyfriend, by the way. The investigation still has to finish. But everything that we're seeing, the gun, the jumping on the roof, the story, the backstory, the fascist, the this, the that, that's what I'm seeing. And for people that are out there pushing this narrative. And again, I am. I criticize everybody when they do wrong, from our government to Israel to Bibi, you name it. But I think it takes away from the actual people that are supposed to be investigating this situation, for instance. And I'm happy that we brought this up. Rob, could you show the camera situation that I'm talking about? So for all the people. Pen, I even want. If Candace hears this, I want Candace. Guys, there's a critical piece of evidence, okay, that I want to show everybody. And again, allegedly. I don't know if that's the guy, Pat, that they show. I don't know if he works for Turning Point. I don't know if he's Charlie Security. But when there's an assassination attempt, okay, and this guy. And I'll show you the thing, jumps up there and takes the camera, which is a prime piece of evidence, number One, he takes it down. This. This is the guy jumping. Charlie was literally just rushed off, off camera. And then, Rob, can you go to the next one? And again, this guy looks like he's taking the camera footage or the. Or the hard drive or what is it called, Pat, when you put the SD card, what, for everybody out there talking Israel, for one second, shut the hell up. Find out why that guy tampered with the freaking crime scene. No cops put any cover around it. Look at that.

[B]

Can you go into the comments section, Rob? Typically, these types of things get addressed very quickly. Just a week ago, I said, the man in the back, who was that guy? And ended up being a pastor. And I said, who is the security? And it ended up being another person. Just go under the comment section of that clip. Whichever one has the most likes and views, go to the bottom of that. So that one doesn't have a lot. Go to one that has a lot. Let's see that one.

[A]

So I guess he looped them all in in one post, so I'm not.

[C]

Able to go by.

[B]

So go to one of these and let's see if there's anybody that's actually commenting on it.

[D]

Okay, that was somebody in the crowd.

[B]

Can you, while he's doing that, just look at the credibility of that and come back to it?

[D]

Because my thing is this, Pat.

[B]

And it's.

[D]

It's.

[B]

It's. I.

[D]

Because I saw footage after it happened, that camera was immediately taken down. Immediately taken down. I don't know who this person is. I don't know who it was. There should be tape. There should be blocked off. Because that is a crime.

[B]

Like, if I'm thinking we're at an event, one of my guys comes and takes it. Yeah, I want you to take that camera and go back with it. We want you to take that camera. It's our camera.

[D]

But if it's a crime scene, you can't. Somebody was just murdered.

[B]

I see what you're saying. Shouldn't be moved because that's a crime scene, period. Yeah, that's a very good point. So why was it. So the government shouldn't allow that to be removed. And by the way, even after the assassination, there's a lot of people that were walking around and it was wide open, and nobody was there on the scene because they were trying to probably take him back there to the hospital. Their number one priority was for him to make it. But how quickly did they put the yellow tape? How quickly did that happen? The speed on that is. I didn't Even see suspect. I don't know if I. Rob, can you. Can you post. Was there yellow tapes put on the crime scene of Charlie Kirk's assassination? Assassination. Was there yellow tape put there? I don't know if there was.

[D]

I don't think there was. And you want to know even crazier. A couple days, I've been seeing construction being done around where Charlie was shot and killed. Like, I'm talking about, they're digging up stuff. There was an escape hatch, apparently, that was down there. They're literally doing construction where it's there. And this was days. This was a day or two after Rob.

[B]

So let's go back and stick to the story. So because again, Ackman and Netanyahu, you're going to a complete different story. So your thoughts on what Ackman said and what Netanyahu said?

[D]

Oh, sorry.

[A]

So Ackman is. So we have this inferential accusation that, you know, this thing happened in the Hamptons. And when they got Bill Ackman getting very. What surprised me about it, my take on it is, wow, Bill Ackman reacted pretty quick, and Netanyahu acted pretty quick. When does a head of state, like, respond to, like, you know, rumors that quickly? I thought that was pretty quick. I also thought it was pretty quick that Ackman is like, hang on, hang on. That's not what happened. Here, here, take a look. Look at this. Look at this. See, it was a friendly text. The friendly text just shows you at a friendly text. Friendly text doesn't. Doesn't show us what was talked about at the Hamptons, if they. If anything. Do you see what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'd like to know, was there someone else there? So wait a minute. I was there. I was standing there talking with them. I was here.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And someone's gonna have a camera phone that said, oh, there's the three people.

[B]

So what are you saying, Tom?

[A]

What I'm saying is I don't know. I don't know what to think right now, because both people come to the microphone pretty, pretty quick about the. The rumor. And there's a lot we don't know. And it's a really sensitive situation. There's a lot of inference going on. I want to see receipts. I want to see who's the identity. Again with the camera. Who else was there at the dinner with Ackman? And let's get people to talk about.

[B]

I got it. I got what you're saying. Adam, your thoughts?

[C]

Well, Tom wasn't here for the episode with Eric, so we Had a little bit of the discussion. They did bring receipts. So not only do we have Bill Ackman who's defending his side and sort of downplaying what Candace is saying. You have a guy that we talked about, our friend Andrew, who's the executive producer of the Charlie Kirk show. He came out and made a statement. He basically said, in so many words, bill's not lying. Candace is. Here are my receipts. That's the problem with receipts. But you always say, like, you post something on the Internet, the Internet lives forever.

[B]

I don't think that's what. No, no, no. I don't think that's what he said.

[C]

Show the text.

[B]

I understand that. Show the text. Read the text. Adam, instead of saying that, let. Read the text and let the audience decide for themselves on what Andrew said. So can you. Can you.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Pull up there. You did that yesterday again or two days ago. So instead, just read what Andrew said and let the audience make a decision for themselves. If you. Not that one, Rob. It's a text of what Andrew said. But continue. Rob's going to find this here. Keep going.

[C]

In so many words. He was not on team Candace, fair to say. Let you rush the judgment. But you want to address Bibi Netanyahu or you want to address Candace, right?

[B]

Take one. Either one of them. Both of them are combined. To me, it's Netanyahu, Ackman, Kan.

[C]

Okay, so why would BB Netanyahu address something like this? So you have two options. Do I address this or do I not address this? So the way that you would probably think about it is like, well, if I don't say anything, if I leave these lies unchecked, they will just spread more. So, all right, maybe I'll set the record straight. I'll say something. I'll try to protect my credibility, and I'll come out and say bibi Netanyahu doesn't have the highest credibility on the world stage right now. So. But then again, not all lies needs to be. Are worth addressing. Here's what Andrew Colvitz said the executive producer of Charlie Kirk show turning point had to say.

[B]

Read it.

[C]

About Bill Ackman. I've been asked about the Bill Ackman event more than a few times now. So I asked our staff who were traveling with Charlie to find out what's true and what's not. His team was with him 100% of the time when he wasn't in his hotel room. So they're with him 100 of the time. Here's what they told me. Bill Never yelled at Charlie, never pressed him on bb, never gave him a list of Charlie's offenses against Israel. So basically saying, Candace, no, you're wrong. There was a concern raised about having Tucker at the, the latest Turning Point event. Sas. We don't believe this came from Bill. So not from Bill. What Charlie said was, honestly, people are telling me not to have Tucker, which makes me want to have Tucker more. And I'm going to look into, look into him for Amfest too.

[D]

Cool.

[C]

As far as talk lock. Okay, so cool grab. But as far as Charlie personally told me, he had a very cordial relationship with Bill and the event was very, was productive. Those are the facts. So in my opinion, there was someone who was in the room, Bill Ackman, like literally there.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And there's somebody that's like, from what I hear people are saying. The easiest thing to say is people are saying, how often does Trump do it? And when he does it, I'm like, who did you just say that? Who said that? So that's the reality here. But can I give you one more clip just to kind of put this here? I don't know what's going on with Nick Fuentes and Candace, but Nick Fuentes is no fan of Israel and the Jews. Here's what he had to say about Candace Owens at this point. Let's roll this clip.

[A]

The past week was gaslight the public. And by definition, that's what it is. Gaslight her audience. Gaslight the public. Netanyahu lied.

[B]

He.

[A]

They shot him in the throat cuz they're taking his voice. I have all these receipts, but I'm not gonna publish em. And then literally a week later, she's gonna put on Twitter. Oh, I never said they were behind it. I never said that at all. I just strongly implied it. We all know what you said. We all know what you meant. You dummy. You irresponsible, grifting dummy. I've so had it with that. And at the end of the day, she's just stupid and defines low IQ antisemitism. I used to think it didn't exist. I used to think that low IQ antisemitism is just something that Jewish people would say to counter the rising tide of people acknowledging Jewish power. Now I'm convinced it's real and it has a name. That name is Candace Owens. Farmer, low iq, anti Semitism. The idea that Charlie Kirk was silenced for being about to go against Israel, it's just on its face, absurd and ridiculous.

[B]

All she did.

[D]

Can you go back to that? Can you Go back to what? That conversation that Adam just showed. The one. The previous message. Oh, right there, right there. So if this is true. So there was a concern raised, a concern that Tucker at SAS was gonna. He was gonna have Tucker on. And he said, people telling me not to have him makes me wanted to have him more and have him on Amfest. So what they're saying is the, the people out there that are saying it, that BB and Israel had him assassinated, killed because he was trying to have Tucker on. On Amfest in that situation, because Tucker is critical of Israel. So is that. Is that in a nutshell, because he was going to have an anti Israel voice talking. That was going to. That's what. They killed him.

[B]

If it's. If it's about. Well, if it's about.

[C]

I don't get that.

[B]

If it's about. And by the way, I don't. I don't remember Nick being a pro Israel guy.

[D]

He's not.

[B]

Okay. So. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.

[D]

He's high iq.

[C]

He's high iq.

[B]

No, what I'm saying is he's not. So for him to take. Take that position. And I think Dave Smith also took that position. Right. With Dave Smith, he's like, this is lazy.

[A]

Tucker, didn't Bibi make a comment about paid by Qatari or Qatari dollars?

[B]

Netanyahu said paid by Qatari at the last 15 seconds. Correct.

[A]

Is he talking maybe to Tucker?

[B]

A little bit.

[A]

Because there's been all those accusations.

[B]

Well, listen, just throw in trouble.

[C]

Those allegations get thrown out a lot. Can I address this?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I hear people that are on, quote, unquote, my side. Well, they're bought by guitar bro. You just know. I go, what evidence do you have of that?

[D]

Yeah, show me.

[C]

There's no evidence that Candace has been bought by Qatar. It certainly looks that she's not on Team Israel. Let's. So is Tucker. But there's no evidence of that.

[A]

She turned down a lot of French.

[C]

Dogs for both sides. Show evidence, show receipts, or you're just making things up. And when Nick Fuentes, of all people, calls out Candace Owens for being low iq, anti Israel, something's happening.

[B]

Okay? So one thing is for sure, that she's not low iq. Okay, this is not a low IQ conversation. This is not a. If you sit down with George, very smart. Very smart. And no, this has gotten to a point of emotions getting involved. So not about IQ getting involved. This is about, you know, I'm going to read something to you that I read to Tom the other day, and it said, I'm reading this book. I wish I had it around me to read it to you. And I brought it to Tom. I said, hey, man, you know, this is one thing I just read. I said, we got to work on this. And he's like, what is it? And it's called Helen's Razor. Okay. And I may be pronouncing it the wrong way, Rob, if you can pull this up, it's a story of, you know, handlows.

[D]

Handlons.

[B]

Hanlon's Razor.

[A]

There it is right there. Second sentence.

[B]

Yeah. It's a story about never attribute malice. That which is adequately explained by stupidity.

[A]

Or a mistake.

[B]

Or a mistake. It suggests that people's negative actions are often the result of ignorance, mistakes, or incompetence rather than intentional evil. This principle promotes a more rational and less conflict driven approach to understanding situations, encouraging empathy and a benefit of the doubt mindset by focusing on simpler, less sinister explanations for others behavior. I think this is the problem, by the way, in the context of how I explained this to Tom was a very different context. So let me kind of explain it to you. We run a lot of businesses and we're in a lot of different, you know, challenges, issues that we have. You know, we're suing these two guys, you know, a few million dollars for their doing this. We have this other person we're dealing with because they stole internal, you know, whatever. And then this other person we're dealing with, and that other person did this. And so a handful of bad guys make you automatically think everybody's a bad guy. And when you run an insurance company, one of the things I would constantly talk to my compliance officer about is everybody you talk to, you think they're guilty. Stop this mindset. And I would have this talk with them every week. Let me tell you what I think they did. Let me tell you what I think they did. I said, bro, can you just let me talk to them first? Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. All right? So we'd get on the call with them, we'd talk to them on top of them, all right, no, they didn't do this unintentionally. Here's what happened. Okay, great, let me talk to them. Boom. And then eventually, you know who learned this habit? You know who picked this habit up and got very good at it? Tikrin. And I'm like, tikrin, can you just go into it and then find out if there's anything really going on instead of us jumping a conclusion? Yeah, I'll look into it. No, there's nothing there, Pat, for sure. Okay, great. Let's move on. Pat, I think there's something that you got to get involved. All right, let me call him up and then I get involved. Right. This idea. And by the way, this is also good in parenting and your marriage and friendships in parenting, you're always like, last time I'm doing homework till 11:30 and automatically like, well, you know, how come we didn't put you in this after school program? Three to five, what are you doing homework or playing? So one camp is saying all he did is play. The other camp is saying all he did is homework. And in one camp is saying maybe he played and he did homework. Well, the reality was I was stuck doing homework till 11:30. And by the way, I don't know what the hell is going on. I don't remember having this much homework at sixth grade, but apparently homework is increasing. Okay, so it's easy in that. Well, let me tell you, it's your fault and this is what you're doing. Maybe let's give the kid a benefit of the doubt and let's do a little bit of research. Maybe give your spouse a little bit of the benefit of the doubt instead of jumping to immediate malice. I think that's the problem here that some people are having with Candace. This Candace is not a low IQ person. Candace is not a. She didn't get to where she's at right now because she's low iq. And I think what's his name knows that. Nick also knows that neither is Nick. Nick's not a low IQ person. He's also somebody that's very. Both of them can be right and both of them can be wrong. The only challenge is immediately jump into conclusion, to assume malice immediately. By the way, we all can be guilty of that. That's why it's called innocent until proven guilty. If they are, we'll talk to them, we'll call them out. If they're not, they're not. So the whole conversation here isn't about who's smarter, who's not. They both give me the vibes that they're very smart. They both give me the vibes that they're very well read. Tucker, more than both of them combined. Very well read. One, he's older and his upbringing was in that world. So Tucker's grown up in this space for a long time. Did they have their own personal issues and vendetta against somebody that throughout their career, something happened, someone offended him, you know, Nick's I didn't know. Apparently Nick used to work with Ben Shapiro or something. Like, was it Breitbart or. I don't know who he was working with, but there was something. Both of them. Yeah, so. So there's something there and then something with Candace and then something with Tucker. They all have some history and they're trying to say, hey, let me tell you, I was right. Great. The average person, if you don't know the whole history and you don't know where people are going, our job is try to come here as much as possible. Let the name calling happen. We're getting called names, freaking non stop for different things that we're doing. The good news is it doesn't bother us. At a girl that came in yesterday, I got a call from one of the top brass at Yankees, hey, I got somebody I want you to sit down with. I said, no problem. You know, she comes down, we sit down, we talk. She wants to start a podcast. And I said, when you start your podcast, the first two years, read the comments. People tell me, don't read the comments. I read every comment, even the negative ones. Yes, I read all the comments. Do you really? I can't do it now, but I generally read all the comments. Tell me why you read the comments. I said, because everybody falls in three camps. And by the way, you guys are watching this, you ever wonder most people don't go live anymore because they don't like the chat of the negative comments. You're bought and sold. You're this, you're that, your Mossad, your Qatar. So I put all of you in three camps. Let me break it down for you what the three camps are. The one camp is what the people that are just, no matter what, emotionally haters. Totally get it. By the way, keep commenting. It's better for us, traffic for us. We like it, we don't mind it, Right? Then you have the people who are just tuning in and they're just trying to get the story for themselves. Then you got the people that are have a high level of credibility with us that then when they give feedback, we take it. The people that are here, we watch you, we listen to you, we internalize it and we say, okay, great. That's interesting what the guy has to say. This is an era right now. We're in that. It is probably 90% noise right now. And it's so hard to get past the noise that is taking place. And I want to listen to everybody and see what they have to say. But at the same Time, man. Keep this Halloween's razor in mind. Let me read it one last time, Rob, if I can. This, this may help you with your marriage, your relationship, your kids, your business partners. But a rule of thumb, never attribute malice, that which is adequately explained by stupidity or what Tom? Mistakes or mistakes. It suggests that people's negative actions are often the result of ignorance, mistakes or incompetence rather than intentional evil. The principle promotes a more rational and less conflict driven approach to understanding situations, encouraging empathy and a benefit of the doubt mindset by focusing on simpler, less sinister explanation for others behavior. Okay, so that's that. Let's get to the next story here. Next story I want to get to is I don't even want to go through this. A long drop and I don't want a reaction to this. I'm going to go 30 seconds. I deeply regret. Adam's best friend, ABC News reporter apologizes after Charlie Kirk's comments that was made where he says, oh, it's just a story of a love affair between two guys that just love each other. And it's like yesterday I contribute. You just had the first one right. Yesterday I tried to underscore the jarring contrast between this cold blooded assassination of Charlie Kirk, a man who dedicated his life to public dialogue, and a personal disturbing text. Read Alaba, Utah county, turn out the press conference and then go to the next one. And I deeply regret that my words did not make that clear. But let the there be zero doubt here. I unequivocally condemned this horrific crime and the pain that caused Charlie's family and those who forced the witness at UVU and millions of people he inspired. Matt, respect you for apologizing. We all make mistakes. It's all good buddy. We'll move on. Wish you nothing but the best. All right, so next story I want to get into is the story of Pa Pa Pa Pa pa. Yeah, let me get to the story here. So Russia, Russia, China and Iran use Kirk's murder to stoke conspiracy theories and division. Okay, conspiracy theories and division. Let's go through this. So in the week since Charlie Cruz assassination on September 10th at Utah Valley University, which by the way, I got an email from the invitation to do a live, what do you call it, debate on the campus. I literally got an email from them two days ago from uvu.

[D]

I'm good.

[B]

In Orem, Utah, Russia, Iran and China have spread thousands of false or incendiary claims about the conservative activists killing the official state media in these countries, mentioning Kirk 6,200 times from September 10 to September 17, framing the event as a conspiracy to stoke political divisions or portrayed the United States as dysfunctional, According to analysis by NewsGuard, a company that tracks information online. Utah Governor Spencer Cox stated two days after the shooting, what we are seeing is our adversaries want violence, noting that we have bots from Russia, China and all over the world that are trying to instill disinformation and encourage violence. These foreign influence campaigns exploit US News events to push geopolitical agendas, aiming to undermine America's democracy and its global reputation, with McKinsey Shadegi news guards, editor of AI and Foreign Influence saying the more confusion and mistrust they can inject right after a breaking news event, the harder it becomes for people to know what's true and who to trust. Folks, let me read that one more time. Pay very close attention to what was said here. The more confusion and mistrust they can inject right after a breaking news event, the harder it becomes for the people to know what's true and who to trust. Russia State media, including rt, amplified unsubstantiated claims the day after the killing that people near Kirk were making hard hand signs to cue the shooter, despite law enforcement confirming Tyler Robinson, the charge suspect acted alone. In Russian ultra nationalist Alexander Dugan claimed Charlie Kirk was on the on our side of the line, front line that now divides humanity, falsely alleging the Deep State and George Soros Open Society foundation were behind the killing, echoing some US conservative narratives. Tom, thoughts on this?

[A]

So you take a look around the world. You know propaganda is nothing new and communists trying to do things in the US is nothing new. And US trying to create the CIA trying to destabilize governments in Central America during the seventies and eighties in the name of anti communist thing is nothing new. And now they've got new weapons and the new weapons are the electronic weapons of fakery and social media and planted news stories and chat GBT analytics that are driven to create things that look that much real. It does not surprise me that people that right now that are annoyed with us would would as Rahm Emanuel would say, never let a good crisis go to waste. And so I could see if I was Z and I was being evil like Z and I would ask the guys at my weekly staff meeting if XI has it, I would say hey guys, yeah the US has got this dust up here at Charlie Kirk. How are we using this? We're in the middle of trade negotiations. We're winning points, we're losing points. What are we doing on this? You're my intelligence guy. You're my CIA of China. Why aren't we doing something here? I believe it's happening. I believe it's there, and we need tools to filter it out. But they absolutely want to create problems for us, Pat, and they absolutely are not going to let any scandal that we're having go to waste, because these are some of the. We're in a cold war. If you think about it right now, we're in an information war. So we are in a cold war of information. And the tools are social media networks and planted news stories, manipulated reporters, data that looks real that that our news media may pick up and talk about. So that's the way I said, we're in a cold war for information, and they're not going to pass up a chance.

[B]

Adam.

[C]

Well, the biggest problem in America right now is we just don't know who to trust. Who do we trust at this point? I mean, we get a lot of credit here saying, you have no idea what you guys do on the podcast, how meaningful it is, because you guys have open debate and discourse, and you'll yell and you'll disagree, but at least we'll find the truth. But we don't. You know, everyone's living in their echo chambers. We don't know what's going on. But as far as China, Russia and Iran, you think they're just idly sitting by this Charlie Kirk situation, this is their Super Bowl. You know, the whole meme of Jon Stewart sitting there, like, eating popcorn, just sort of, like, excited to watch the show. They're not doing this thing, bro. China, Russia, Iran, they're buying the popcorn. They're buying the movie tickets. They're giving free seats out to everybody. Everybody go watch this movie. They're acting in the movie. They're directing the movie. They're the executive producer. They want to see America burned down. And, you know, what did Lincoln say? The biblical quote, a house divided cannot stand. That's currently where we're at America right now. This inflection point we talk about, what was the summer of 1968? That's when MLK was shot. The year 1968.

[B]

Bobby.

[C]

That was Bobby Kennedy. We're living in this moment two months later.

[B]

They were shot two months apart.

[C]

Yeah, we're living in this moment where Charlie Kirk dies. God, someone gets shots next. What could happen in this country? I'm never the one being like, it's.

[A]

A civil war, bro.

[C]

I'm never the one being like it. But. And I'm not advocating for that at all. But this is very.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Scary right now. And the infusion of Russia, China, Iran with chatbots and fake news and disinformation, misinformation. They're eating their popcorn. Just watching the show, I felt.

[D]

But could I be. Could I just come clean and just be completely honest and transparent? I would. When it first hit everybody, we're on. We're at the vault. Everybody's on the phone, bro. And then a day. Two days later, there's, like, a guy scratching. And. And you're. And it could be somebody from a different country making the video where you're like, wait a minute. Could that. Could he have a gun? Is this guy who's just grabbing his hat that works for. For Turning Point?

[C]

He just have an itch?

[D]

Did he just. Yes, that, by the way. And.

[C]

Oh, an itch. Oh, so get itchy. Trigger finger.

[D]

Yeah, well, by the way. And even if right now, God forbid, they're recording this moment right now, and God forbid I get hit from a bullet, every movement, the. Pat just. Right now, they're like, who's he? Pat's texting somebody. Pat's doing this. But again, you have to wait. And the beauty out of you, Razor. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree on 100, and you made a great point. We're a podcast. Pat will have a story from a credible source, and guess what? If it's questionable, boom. Rob does his freaking fantastic job. We look, we Google, we chatgpt, we try to. We try to say the truth, and then we give our opinion. Okay, but these people. And you nailed it. They want to see us fail. So everybody just needs to. And again, like I said with that camera, we need to find out. Everything needs to be laid out in front of us. By the way, this isn't the Pruder film from back in the. In the 60s. What year was.

[A]

Oh, but it is. It is. This is. We don't trust our government, but we've been asking for things about Kennedy. What about this? What about that? What about this? What about that? And then the Onion published something that I thought was very apropos satire, goes back about 10 years ago. They did it. It's a picture of the Kennedy motorcade, and it says, President shot 62 times by 120 assassins. And so, in other words, putting it all together and saying, okay, you're all right.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But right now, we are. We're upset about Epstein. We see shadows in Epstein. We see shadows in jfk. Where's the JFK doctor? Where's the MLK docs? Is it really James Earl Ray? What's all this? And in the middle of that, another thing happens. What's our first instincts? Hanlon's razor.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, this guy, that guy, this guy. And we thinking about that every moment. We're kind of conditioned.

[B]

Yeah. It is important to rise above. And business will force you to follow Hanlon's razor. If you don't, you're not going to build a big business. If you're going to be jumping in conclusion. When every time something happens, oh, I think they're due sometimes, pump the brakes, relax, set the emotions aside, let logic sink in, and then make your decision. Sometimes you have to sleep on things. That's why they say, let me sleep on it. Right. And tell you what I want to do, what I don't want to do it. But I think probably the better position to have right now, believe it or not, is instead of trusting one of the conspiracies that people are spewing, you're better off not trusting anybody today. Isn't that kind of weird that you're better off not trusting anyone today and just kind of hearing things out and controlling your emotions? It's a skill set that'll help out in your personal life and your business life. And let's see what news will eventually break with what happened in the interim, entertain everyone's opinions. Okay. That person's historically been fair. That person's. Historically, we know what side their biases are. That person's motive is this. This person's motive is that. Okay, cool. I got it. Here's what I think. I'm in this section when it comes down to reason, and generally, you know, if you go too emotional, you're gonna be wrong. And so have some patience, pump the brakes. Will eventually, God willing, find out what happens here. Because I, I will tell you this. You said something about who they go after next. I think Christians and conservatives were forgiving with one. Let me tell you, you do another one, it is not. They're not going to sit there and be mourning. I'm just telling you, like, don't get our kindness, forgiveness, and confuse it with that fire is not in the belly, that this can continuously happen. No. Right now, the example was shown of what we're capable of doing as individuals. And I think that was an incredible example that's been set. But. But my prayer is that everything settles down and doesn't get crazier than what it is today. As we celebrate Charlie's funeral this Sunday, you're going to see it's going to be live stream all over the place, you guys will be able to see it. And last thing, Vinnie's shirt. If you guys are someone that are about your faith and you want to be bold about it and you want to represent that around your peers, when you go into the gym working out, if that's you, go support Vinnie's shirt. Faith over fear on vtmerch.com white, black, gray, pick and choose. Whatever you got, it's going to be there. God bless everybody. We will do it again on Monday. Have a great weekend. Bye Bye.