Newsom Wildfire Response, Zuckerberg & Rogan, Trump Frees 33 Hamas Hostages | PBD Podcast | Ep. 533

Summary

PBD Podcast Summary: Ep. 533 – Newsom Wildfire Response, Zuckerberg & Rogan, Trump Frees 33 Hamas Hostages

Release Date: January 14, 2025

The latest episode of the PBD Podcast delves into pressing current events, trending topics, and political dynamics impacting both life and business. Hosted by the PBD Podcast team, this episode covers a range of issues from California's devastating wildfires to high-profile clashes between influential figures like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk. Here's a comprehensive breakdown of the episode's key discussions, insights, and conclusions.

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1. California Wildfires and Governor Gavin Newsom's Response

Impact of the Wildfires

The podcast begins with an update on the severe wildfires ravaging California. As of the latest reports:

• Death Toll: 24 fatalities
• Economic Damages: Estimated at $250 billion
• Current Situation: High winds exacerbate the wildfire threat, causing widespread destruction and ongoing uncertainty about the fire's progression.

Pat shares uplifting news about the community's support efforts:

"Due to your support, $108,000 was raised. 100% of what we sold that day will be going to families." [00:30]

Governor Newsom's "LA 2.0" Initiative

Governor Gavin Newsom is actively proposing a comprehensive rebuilding plan dubbed "LA 2.0," aiming to reconstruct Los Angeles post-wildfire. Key points include:

• Marshall Plan for Rebuilding: Aimed at revitalizing the city infrastructure.
• Reimagining Urban Spaces: Focus on creating fire-resilient neighborhoods to prevent future disasters.

Tom highlights the strategic importance of this initiative:

"We're already organizing a Marshall plan and Reimagining LA 2.0." [13:00]

Insurance Challenges and State Intervention

The state has implemented a one-year moratorium on insurance cancellations in wildfire-affected areas to protect homeowners from losing coverage during the crisis.

Pat critiques this move:

"Insurance companies are going to leave because you are not creating the climate a place for them to stay." [38:19]

Rob analyzes the implications:

"Most mortgage-backed homes are insured, but underinsured homeowners might sell their properties." [38:09]

2. Innovations in Firefighting and Insurance Solutions

Private Firefighting Systems

Highlighting resilience strategies, the podcast discusses how Michael Johnson, a four-time Olympic gold medalist, employed a private firefighting system to protect his Malibu home:

"Johnson pays $5,000 a year to lease a firefighting system that helps prevent wildfire damage." [46:04]

Emerging Insurance Startups

With traditional insurers retreating from high-risk areas, new companies like Standard Insurance are stepping in. These startups use advanced simulation software to better predict risks and offer tailored coverage for fire-prone regions.

Tom proposes proactive measures:

"Dedicate a billion dollars towards startups that present innovative solutions to wildfire challenges." [53:20]

3. Political Clashes: Steve Bannon vs. Elon Musk

Bannon's Attacks on Musk

Steve Bannon publicly denounces Elon Musk, urging him to return to South Africa and criticizing his influence:

"Elon Musk is a truly evil guy, a very bad guy. I made it my personal thing to take this guy down." [85:46]

Vinnie expresses skepticism about Musk's intentions:

"Elon Musk has done so much for America, yet Bannon targets him with anti-immigrant rhetoric." [88:25]

Implications for the White House

With the inauguration looming, tensions rise as both figures vie for influence. The podcast speculates on how this feud could impact political dynamics once Trump assumes office.

Rob emphasizes the strategic underpinnings:

"When you make a statement like that, you have to follow up with an announcement." [77:50]

4. Mark Zuckerberg's Critique of Apple on The Joe Rogan Experience

Zuckerberg vs. Apple

Mark Zuckerberg lambasts Apple for its lack of innovation and restrictive policies, particularly the 30% tax on developers:

"They haven't really invented anything great in a while. They're just squeezing people with high taxes." [69:05]

Tom and Rob discuss the potential motives behind Zuckerberg's comments, suggesting strategic positioning to challenge dominant tech giants.

Rob reflects on Zuckerberg's intentions:

"Everything Zuckerberg does is very intentional. He's not going off the cuff." [77:50]

5. Entertainment Industry Critique: Disney's Declining Favorability

Public Perception of Disney Content

Recent polls indicate a significant drop in Americans' perception of Disney's content quality:

• 16% believe Disney's content is better than in the past.
• 47% view it as worse.
• 29% think it has remained the same.

Pat attributes this decline to Disney's inclusion of LGBTQ+ themes:

"They keep dumping money into these horrible woke LGBTQ ideas, leading to financial losses." [111:15]

Financial Implications

Disney's 2024 Star Wars spinoff, "Acolyte," faced backlash and was canceled after one season despite hefty investments:

"The series featured a transgender actor and a coven of seemingly lesbian witches, leading to significant financial losses." [110:47]

Vinnie criticizes the content direction:

"They lost $250 million because of these giggling idiots pushing woke agendas." [115:38]

6. Human Tragedies: Arsonist's Murder Case

Case Overview

The podcast recounts the harrowing story of Mackenzie Schreila, a 17-year-old who deliberately crashed her car into a warehouse, resulting in the deaths of her boyfriend and his friend. Her defense during arrest focused on her concern for her jewelry over the severity of the crash.

Vinnie condemns the act:

"She's a murderer. She premeditated it and should be punished accordingly." [95:37]

Pat emphasizes the role of parental responsibility:

"Parents need to engage more with their children to prevent such tragedies." [103:05]

7. International Developments: Hamas Hostage Release Deal

Hostage Negotiations

Hamas is set to release 33 hostages as part of a ceasefire deal negotiated in Doha. This development comes amidst intense political pressure as the U.S. transitions to a new administration.

Tom highlights the timing:

"It's ironic that this announcement happens just a week before Trump takes office, aligning with his strong stance on defending hostages." [122:47]

Rob reflects on leadership strategies:

"Leadership should focus on decisive actions rather than pandering to feelings." [123:52]

8. Educational and Advisory Content

Upcoming Episodes

• Scottie Pippen Interview: A two-hour conversation exploring his career insights, releasing Friday.
• Homelessness in California: Featuring a former Skid Row resident discussing solutions, releasing Wednesday at 9 AM.

Pat urges listeners to contribute to wildfire relief efforts:

"We have $108,000 to distribute to those in need within the next 24 to 48 hours. Provide us with contact information for those who require assistance." [131:27]

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Notable Quotes

• Pat: "The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. You are one of one." [00:10]
• Vinnie: "These people are so brainwashed. They're still going to vote for this guy." [14:15]
• Tom: "If you're a school shooter and you do something crazy, you end up killing yourself. Where are the parents?" [57:44]
• Rob: "Know your customer. Nobody wants insurance, but you need it to protect yourself." [66:07]
• Vinnie: "Musk's got a lot of events he's going to be at the next few days while these things are taking place." [115:44]

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Conclusion

Episode 533 of the PBD Podcast provides a deep dive into the multifaceted challenges facing California amid catastrophic wildfires, the intricate political rivalries influencing national discourse, and the shifting landscape of the entertainment industry. The hosts offer critical analysis, personal anecdotes, and strategic insights, making the complex interplay of these issues accessible and engaging for listeners.

Stay tuned for upcoming episodes featuring special guests like Scottie Pippen and in-depth discussions on homelessness solutions in California.

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For those looking to support wildfire-affected families, the PBD Podcast team continues to raise funds and coordinate direct assistance. Reach out with contact information to ensure help reaches those in immediate need.

Transcript

[Pat]

Did you ever think you were made again?

[Vinnie]

Adam?

[Pat]

What's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one My.

[Tom]

Sun dried I don't think I said.

[Pat]

All right Rob episode what number are we on?

[Rob]

5:33.

[Pat]

5:33. Okay, lots going on guys. One good news to give to you guys. Last Tuesday, was it Tuesday or Thursday? Thursday we announced that any of the new gear that we had, the limited offering that came out, we were going to put 100% of it to California Wildfire. People who were affected by it. Due to you and your support. $108,000 was raised. 100% of what we sold that day will be going to families. A lot of people have already been manectomy. We want to make these calls. I want to facetime them and find ways to make these people's day slightly better. So if you have anybody else that's going through, we got a list of them right now. Some of them are even folks that we've known from. Vinnie has a couple friends that he is suggesting and anybody else you may know, you can connect any one of us. Vinnie, Tom, Adam, myself. We want to make those calls fairly as soon as possible because some of them need the resources ASAP. So again, very happy about that taking place. $108,000 that we raised collectively together. Begin some of the stories here. Obviously there's a lot more things that are coming up with the LA Wildfire. You saw the number right now, I think it's 24 total death toll I saw earlier this morning and I think the damages right now is $250 billion of damages. And at the same time the winds. I spoke to a bunch of friends yesterday, the winds for today, everyone's praying for this week on what's going to be happen with fire. With the winds that are coming in, they're worried that it's going to get worse. But God willing, everything's going to work out. There's a lot of different stories. I saw a story about Michael Johnson, the four time gold medalist, the way he went about trying to protect his home. There's another insurance company. The story that came out on December 16, Wall Street Journal wrote about it and I looked at different ways of preventing this from happening in the future. New insurance company. A lot of people are asking me saying who do I go to? My insurance got cancelled. We got a bunch of things with fire that we'll discuss here today. Stories on newsome, stories on shift, stories on video stories on Karen Bass. The mayor finally responding, but an uncomfortable response. Khloe Kardashian. Imagine you got almost a half a billion followers and your. Your name, your brand that you guys have built up together. You're Hollywood, okay? And you're so sick of it that you finally said, I am flipping fed up that the market now reacts. How could you say something like this? And she's like, what are you talking about? This is insane. This is our livelihood. We're part of the city. We'll talk about that as well. Looters trying to capitalize with all the stuff that's going on. There's videos all over the place with looters trying to get in. Still, they see this as an opportunity, and we'll definitely highlight what happened there. In regards to another story of what happened with the money that they took back from Daily Caller. Gay choirs, trans cafes and social justice art. What L. A spent money on while cutting its fire budget. You tell me if that's a good idea. Insurance stocks tumble as LA fires threaten record losses. California bans insurance cancellation in LA fire affected areas. Trump trolls Harris by posting a parody conversation between him and Obama. It's pretty funny. You got to see it. By the way, if you ever. Let's just say in the future you have a job and you become a judge. Let's say you're a judge. Okay? Don't ever text a picture of a ankle bracelet. The monitor. The ankle monitors. You showed me this earlier, right? Don't ever text that to the wrong person and then get in trouble for it and get fired again. Just feedback for people. Rob, if you got the picture, I don't know if you have it or not. If you don't, this is. This is called double dumb. A judge text is to a friend called my very first ankle what? Monitor. Okay. And it's a white judge text this out, right? Rob, where's the story with the white judge? Vinny was showing me this earlier.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, she's a Cook county judge. Carolyn Glennon Goodman. She was temporarily reassigned because this was leaked to the broader public last week.

[Pat]

You know what I'd like to know? I'd like to know how many this sold out. I'd like to know if it prompted, like, the product to sell.

[Vinnie]

No, Pat, they don't sell those. They don't sell those.

[Pat]

You're joking.

[Vinnie]

No, she just made. It's a meme that's been going around.

[Pat]

Mike actually sent it to me. Yeah. This tells you how connected I am to stuff like this. Okay. You got that sense of humor. Is a very interesting system. Humor. But we got a laugh out of it.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

All right. Musk versus Bannon. Steve Bannon lashes out at a billionaire, says he should go back to South Africa. That fight is really getting heated. And he called. He says Steve Bannon wants to take down the evil racist Musk. Interesting. This is happening all while we're eight days away from the. What is it? Inauguration. A few days away from the inauguration, There's a video Vinny just showed me.

[Vinnie]

Of our current National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan.

[Pat]

And when you watch this video, folks, he's getting up there saying, this is probably the last time you'll speak. You'll hear me speak. But I don't even want to tell you what he says. I want to get your reaction from it in the comment section. So wait till we play this clip for you. Mark Zuckerberg slams Apple on its lack of innovation and random rules. You know, there's a book written, choose your enemies wisely.

[Vinnie]

I know that guy.

[Pat]

I wonder if that's the right enemy he's choosing. We'll see. In one US Town, residents are legally required to own guns and ammo. Imagine you live in a city and they say, do you have a gun? No. You're getting a ticket today, buddy. You gotta go buy a gun. Right? That's how that city rolls. Okay, TMC fourth quarter. TMSC. TSMC fourth quarter profit sees jumping 58amink. Strong AI chip demand. And again, this has to do with Taiwan. We'll cover that. That's a Reuters story. Sono CEO, great first name, terrible ideas. Patrick Spence steps down after disastrous app launch and they replace him with a new CEO. And I'm not surprised that's taking place. It's about time they're doing it, but I hope they fix some of the things. We'll talk about that. American airlines focus on ESG and 401k plan is illegal. US judge rules. Thank God for that judge poll. Only 16% Americans say Disney content is better than it was in the past. We got a couple other stories that came up from the addendum. Louisiana Times owner says endorsing Karen Bass was a mistake due to due to incompetence. And then Gavin Newsom says already reimagining LA 2.0. Oh, wow, Gavin. So excited. So LA 2.0, folks. This is just reimagine what the 2.0 could look like post wildfires, newer properties right about. Just a strange way of selling it. He's got a Marshall Plan to rebuild. It's all about a land grab. This is a story that came out from Sportskeeda talking about Gavin Newsom's talks about potential property deals in LA following the wildfires. Michael Cohen pleads for please Biden presidential pardon. I'm somebody's son also meaning if you give it to your son. Can I get it? Maduro makes a strange call. He calls for Puerto Rican invasion to liberate island from the US Hamas expected to release 33 hostages in first phase of emerging deal. Israeli official says and this is a CNN story and didn't a guy that just won like an election a week ago said, I swear to God, if you don't release all the hostages.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, he said something threatened them.

[Rob]

He seems serious.

[Pat]

Yeah, he seemed pretty serious. I don't know if I think it looks like maybe they're believing him, but we'll see. We'll see. Hell on wheels killer who plowed car into wall murdering two whined about handcuffs during arrest. This is a video that came out. I believe it's because her boyfriend broke up with her. Is that, is that the story, Rob?

[Tom]

Yes.

[Rob]

According to reports, the two were in a relationship. Relationship ended. The man ended the relationship. And then the girl killed the man and his friend in a vehicle.

[Tom]

She crashed her vehicle into a wall.

[Rob]

Going an excess speeds of 100 miles an hour.

[Vinnie]

You should see the the vehicle. When they showed up, they didn't believe anybody was alive.

[Pat]

And then she made it.

[Vinnie]

She made it because she had a seatbelt on.

[Pat]

China discussed a sale of TikTok us ready to Elon Musk as one possible option. And Tom celebrates. But that part was just added. I've just given a hard time to Tom. Arson is spotted starting California wildfire and a few other things that we got here. Anyways folks, for those of you that are excited about what's about to come up here January 20th and you supported the president. The collection, the limited edition hats, the 250 sold out in no time and everything else right there. There's limited supplies left. The red, the black, the blue, white and red. I think there's a few of those hats left. This is something you buy and just said like if you come into my office, I have the future looks bright hats from this theme of what we experience. And I have it in my office. If you come and see it in my office. I have some of these hats in my office. This is something you buy, you sport, you wear and then you set it aside in your house, in your office because you will forever remember 2024, what it was like. And for some of you guys that supported it, fought it, did it in your own way, this is a way for you to say, I contributed during 2024. Go order the gear. And if you got friends, if you got angry patriot friends like Vinnie, and you go to them and say, I got a gift for you, you give them something like this, you put a smile on their face again, represent the brand. We got the shirts, we got the hats. I'll always say this. Numbers came back. We were trying to see what the number was going to be for 2025, 2024. We ended up having over 120,000 pieces of merch sold in 2024. Just three years ago was 600. Future looks bright is becoming a movement. We're gonna have a million people worldwide. We're in this year, representing it right now. Mario was telling me he was walking the other day having a shirt on at church. This is a guy looked at him, and he just looked at him and pointed at the logo, and they kind of winked and they walked off. The valuetainment crew, when they see each other, it's a very interesting gang around the world.

[Tom]

It's kind of like in the.

[Pat]

Whether you know it or not, you're a part of it.

[Tom]

And it's like in the movie Old School when they just. They know, like, you know.

[Pat]

Yeah. So whatever Adam said, folks, go to btmerch.com place your order. And for those of you that have families in California that are affected by it, we raised $108,000 on last Thursday where we said 100% of it's going to go to families in California. If, you know, anybody should meet Tom, Vinny or Adam and Manek of a story and their phone number, we may just surprise FaceTime them and help them out. Okay. All right, let's get into the story here. With everything that is taking place. California wildfires. Let's just go into that. The total death toll right now is 24 damages. The number you see circulating right now is $250 billion. While this is going on, Gavin Newsom says He's already reimagining LA 2.0 post wildfire and that California needs a Marshall plan to rebuild while this interview is taking place. Is this the one where the individual questions him? Is that a guy or.

[Vinnie]

Honestly and Pat, look at. First of all, that's a. I don't. I don't know yet, because I haven't heard the voice. But look at the lighting, the setup. This is a.

[Pat]

But I'M actually really asking a question. I want to say late. It's a guy.

[Vinnie]

It's a guy.

[Pat]

Look at the way the guy pushes back when he asks a question. And Gavin says something and he makes a comment. I just want you to watch this first.

[Vinnie]

And can I say one thing? Look at his hand. He's a professional hand gesture, so you don't look at the venom coming out.

[Pat]

Play this clip. Play this clip.

[Rob]

Over the course of next several years, Los Angeles will be host to the World cup and then the super bowl and then the Olympics. With this rebuilding effort needing to take place, is LA going to be ready for all of those global events?

[Tom]

My humble position, and it's, it's not just being naively optimistic that only reinforces the imperative. Moving quickly, doing in the spirit of collaboration, cooperation.

[Pat]

President United States Donald Trump, to his.

[Tom]

Credit, was helpful in getting the Olympics to the United States of America, to get it down here in la. We thank him for that.

[Pat]

This is an opportunity for him to shine, for this country, to shine for California and this community to shine.

[Tom]

The opportunity with all of that and.

[Pat]

All that opportunity and that pride and.

[Tom]

Spirit that comes from not just hosting those three iconic games and venues, but.

[Pat]

Also the opportunity, I think, to rebuild.

[Tom]

At the same time.

[Pat]

And that's why we're already organizing a Marshall plan.

[Tom]

We already have a team of looking.

[Pat]

And Reimagining L. A 2.0. And we are making sure everyone's included.

[Tom]

Not just the folks watch.

[Pat]

People here watch. That were ravaged by this disaster.

[Rob]

You just said you're organizing a march. Marshall Plan for the rebuilding of California. What is that, Marshall? Tell us about this, Marshall.

[Tom]

We're just starting to lay out, I mean, we're still fighting these fights. So we're already talking to city leaders.

[Pat]

We'Re already talking to civic leaders, we're.

[Tom]

Already talking to business leaders and nonprofits.

[Pat]

We're talking leaders. Okay, so, so when you hear that and it says LA 2.0, he, he looks at himself as if it's a hero, like he's here to save you, California.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

You're so lucky to have him. I'm here, I'm here. I'm going to save you. So do you know what happens when I, when I see that? So imagine all of those people that lost their homes, who voted for him.

[Vinnie]

Yes.

[Pat]

Who are for him, who like him. That's who I'm talking about. Hear me out what I'm saying right now. Imagine the ones who voted for him, who protected him for the recall, who like him, who Lost the home. Are they watching that and saying, oh, wow, he's so sincere. He has me. What percentage of them do you think he still has?

[Vinnie]

85%.

[Pat]

Oh, you think so?

[Vinnie]

These people are. I know some that I've, I've just spoken to two days ago that are yelling at me about how amazing and how he's the best and that this is all Trump.

[Pat]

Are you kidding me?

[Vinnie]

I'm dead serious. And I, Pam, this is no bs. They're so brainwashed. They're still going to vote for this guy. Don't let the hype. I remember we talked about it two or three years. He's going to. Because what he's done in 2026, six, they still love him and they're still going to vote for this shit there.

[Pat]

What do you think?

[Vinnie]

Stockholm Syndrome, Los Angeles, California.

[Rob]

Well, I see, I understand the Stockholm syndrome, but that's much different. Those are people that are hostages that develop a relationship mentally with their captor. And that's different from this. I think that there's very meaningful percents of this. And I'll give you a great example. The presidential election in California was closer this time than the last five elections. Like meaningfully closer. And Orange county was red. There is already a shift of voters there. And I take you to Arizona. In Arizona, where immigration was on your front porch, right?

[Vinnie]

Literally.

[Rob]

Liberals, Democrats, you went to the store, to the atm, you saw the homeless people that were obviously immigrants, panhandling, you know, vandalism, you know, petty theft, these things were happening. Whereas in Missouri, you know, immigration was a debate between you and me at Starbucks because we don't see a lot of it in Missouri, but it was on our front doorstep live and in living color in Arizona, the Arizona voters shifted. And I believe you're gonna see meaningful numbers. Is it 90% the other way? No, it won't be 90% the other way. But just like when the Arizona voters on immigration, they moved from Biden voters to Trump voters, and they were very firm Biden voters, specific to the celebrities.

[Pat]

Specific to the celebrities who lost homes. Now, do you think they will flip?

[Rob]

Yes, and I think they will absolutely flip. And I, and I saw. So I look at Arizona and that's human nature, whether you're a celebrity or not. There are celebrities in there. And Adam Carolla had a five minute monologue that he did and he talked about before the fires even happened that, you know, God rest her soul, you know, there's an actress he knew and her husband that had tried to expand and build in Malibu and they couldn't. They couldn't get the permits done. They couldn't get this done. And he's pointing out Adam Crawler correctly. He says you just wait till you show. You get permits. Now you've lost your home and it's the fart. It's the fault of the state. Now you have to go get permits to get it done. Those people, I absolutely believe that there are people there that are more mid than they want to admit and that they are going to move. And you saw one of them in Calabasas you talked about. One of the stories we have today is a woman in Calabasas who's very, very wealthy from a very powerful family who has said, I'm fed up right now. She's not waiting for the election. She made her. She made a very clear case.

[Pat]

Can you pull up Newsom's unfavorability or favorability? Look at this here.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Pat]

So if you look at the rating from 2023, he went all the way up unfavorable to 45%. Go, go a little bit ahead right there in the December 1 romp. December 1, right there, what was that? 30, 47%. Right. And then it dropped to the mid-30s and then it went back up late July to whatever, 43, 44%. Okay. And then now today it's the highest it's been. And what's the number? 49.2%. Okay.

[Tom]

On the unfavorable.

[Pat]

Unfavorable, which, by the way.

[Tom]

Right.

[Pat]

That's as of November 30, 2024. Rob, do you have that as of right now, what the rate is, or is that just from then you saw.

[Rob]

The reflection of that in the presidential results here? It is a direct reflection of that.

[Tom]

But about during the recall, which was when Larry Elder was onto the show, which was almost two years, 2022, I want to say his approval or unfavorable ratings and favorable ratings were basically 50, 50, depending on the polls you look at now. January of 2025. Okay. 27 unfavorable rating, 20% favorable. Unfavorable, almost 50%. So the DAM has broken. Exactly.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, but. Damn.

[Tom]

But, but October of 2024. Keep in mind this. Since the election. Since the election, it was favorable. 44 and unfavorable.

[Pat]

Adam, we literally just read.

[Tom]

Okay, but the point is this. What's the point? In the last three months, it's plummeted. Okay. In three months.

[Pat]

We just showed that since the election.

[Tom]

Yeah, how do I.

[Vinnie]

He's leaving.

[Pat]

Like, we're just showing that you're repeating the same.

[Tom]

I think I just better.

[Pat]

This guy is so funny.

[Vinnie]

But you ready for this though, to go to your point, and mind you, he's leaving in the year, he can care less. He's not looking for reelection. He can give two shit.

[Tom]

Yeah, he's looking for reelection.

[Vinnie]

But you guys are talking about, you guys are talking. He's done with president. Well, actually he's not. Let me, let me, let me back up. But you're talking about. These are famous actors and these are Hollywood, okay? They work for the, the Hollywood machine is the liberal woke perverted. They can't change that, they can't go Republican, but they work for an industry that is all disgusting. All right? I was there. I know what the hell they're about. They're not going to flip. These people are going to stay so loyal to their party blindly.

[Pat]

Let me tell you, let me tell you, you know, yesterday I'm on Pierce, you were on Pierce, I think Friday, you guys were on last week. Yeah, yeah. So I'm on Pierce yesterday. We're having a conversation together. He says, what do you think is going to happen with California and all the extreme and all this other stuff, okay? I said, you know, I don't know who he said, he said somebody said the woke is dead. Maybe he said musk. Somebody said the woke is dead, right? Anyways, if the woke is dead, I said, what you have to be careful is when one extreme dies, another extreme is born, okay? Meaning the Hollywood elites are an extreme 100%. So, meaning they're not a big community, but they are allowed community because everybody wants to know what they have to say, right? And so when you, when you see that, you know, reflection on what's going on with Hollywood, the extreme left, extreme right, all the extremes are breaking things. All the extremes are the ones that are causing confusion and havoc, right? Here's what it really comes down to. What it comes down to is the average age of somebody in la. Rob, if you want to pull it up, the average age of somebody in LA right now is 37. That's exactly the number is. It is 37 years old, okay? The average age of somebody in LA is 37 years old. 36 and a half. That's 20, 22. Today's 37 years old. Okay? How many of this people at 37 years old, if you go back and think about when you're 37 years old, what events are a 37 year old going through? They probably got married, they probably have a kid or two at 37 years old. The average 37 year old is what I'm talking about. Right, so they have a kid or two and what decisions are you making at that age? The decisions you're making is do we buy a house, do we not buy a house, do we start a business, do we not start a business? Do we go and get another mba or do I get a little bit additional education to be able to get a promotion? What you're thinking, because guess what's about to come up, 40 to 55, that's your money making years that you're about to enter. 45 to 45 to 60. But 40 to 55 is when you really can make some money. And then you compound it from 55 to 70 years old. All right, if you watching all this stuff that's taking place, think about the 37 year old. They go to bed at night, sitting next, laying next to their wife and they're talking, babe, you think we should still buy that house? I don't think so, babe. But don't you think there's going to be a discount after the fire? Babe? No, forget about the discount. Babe, what do you think we do with this? Do we start that business in la? Do we start that thing here? Anything you say, do we buy that house, do we start that business? Do we grow into this community? Do we go? What you're saying is if you say yes, you're saying you trust that the politicians in California that have a super majority in the House, in the Senate, they control it all. When you control it all, guess what, you get to say all the good that happened is because of us. But what's the problem when you control it all? Anything that bad that happens, it's what it's on you. So he can't say, well, you know the reason why, you know California and while we're going through this is because the Congress in California didn't approve the $2.5 billion that have been sitting there that we would have helped us. You can't say that. There is no gridlock. You are the gridlock. That 37 year old is who they have to worry about. This 37 year old is not famous. This 37 year old doesn't have 100,000 followers on Instagram. This 37 year old is not a multimillionaire. This 37 year old is not a Hollywood star. This is a regular 37 year old that's trying to make a decision of where do I go raise my kids the next 30 years. And they're asking, buying A house. Where do I put my kids? Career. Starting a business. Let's go through each one of them. Buying a house. Do you think homeowners insurance is going to go up or down in California?

[Vinnie]

Skyrocket.

[Pat]

Skyrocket. Do you think homeowners insurance companies are going to stay or leave the state of California?

[Vinnie]

Leaving.

[Pat]

Okay, let's go to number two, starting a business. Do you think regulations in the state of California are going to favor small business owners? Are going to make your life a living hell? They're going to work against you. Do you think starting a business with people coming and stealing from you? Do you think the governor, the politicians in the state of California are going to protect you? Are they going to defend the other person?

[Vinnie]

Other person, exactly.

[Pat]

Okay, so now we have buying a house. And if you buy a house and you want to make it your own and you want to get a permit to build the bedroom in a backyard to have your in law stay in, how long you think it's going to take for you to get?

[Vinnie]

Years.

[Pat]

Okay, so then we go to the next one. You got kids? Hey babe, let's have kids. Your kid is two years old, you have two of them, a two year old and a four year old, right. And you're sitting there saying what school do we put them in? Do we put them in private? Do we put them in public? Do you trust the direction the educations go in the state of California with drag queen hour? How long do you think, how long do you think it's going to take for it to turn? Will it ever turn? I think the part that's going to be the slowest thing to turn in California is education. Maybe they'll fix the permit, maybe they'll fix some of that stuff. Maybe. But the permit is going to take a while and the education is going to take a long ass time for them to fix. So that 37 year old is going to sit there and say how do we leave this place? So California thinks the mass exodus was the one that they had. Can you go to the census, Rob, that shows how many people left California. The U. S. Census shows California lost 1.234 million. Million. 3, 4 million. Yeah. And then type in census. If you can type census, I lost. There is a Wikipedia that, that Brandon sent to me yesterday. Rob, if you don't have it, there's a Wikipedia right there. It's, it's 1.234. I just want the audience to see this because I want you to use it when you're talking to Other people. Here we go. I got it. Let me send it over your way. 1.234 million people was lost in California. OK? From 2020 to 2024, 1.234 million people left. California.

[Tom]

Residents of California.

[Pat]

Residents of California.

[Tom]

How many illegal immigrants did they inherit?

[Pat]

That left. So click on that right there. There you go, buddy. Open it up. Watch this folks. Zoom in a little bit. Okay? Florida net gained 872 during those four years. 7-1-20, 4-1. Okay, Covid started two weeks prior to that. July 1. So that four year period, Florida net gain 872. Texas net gain 747. Carolinas 393.14. Tennessee. Look at the red states gaining right now. Go all the way to the bottom and work your way up. Look all the way to the bottom. California lost 1.234. New York lost 966. Illinois lost 418. What do all those states have in common? Blue states. Blue states. Blue states. Blue states. Blue states. Blue states. Blue states. Blue states. Blue states. Blue states. Blue states. Blue states.

[Tom]

When you get to is Ohio at.

[Pat]

39, think about that. That's the first one. Okay, so you know what this means? They think that's the last exodus. You have to understand that exodus was a different exodus because that exodus was a chokehold. That exodus was kids are at home, home school and I can't go to work. I can't breathe. I just want a freaking life. I want to get out. You can't go to the beach. I'm out of this frickin place. You left for a different reason. This reason of leaving is not that reason. It's like this, you know. You work for a company and you say, I'm going to be here for 40 years. This is it. This is where I'm going to finish up my career. They give you health insurance, they give you 401k and you love the benefits. All of a sudden one day they're like, guess what guys, 401k is gone. Health insurance gone. Da da da da. Gone. Gym will close it on dawn. All the benefits is gone. What are you going to do?

[Vinnie]

I'm leaving. That's the point.

[Pat]

What are you talking about? Like this is the part. The job of a company is to make sure it keeps it attractive for people to be there long term. The job of a state is to do the same thing so you attract the right types of people and stay the good ones stay and don't leave. Now this is going on. So now some People are saying, well, Pat, this is intentional. This is what people like you don't understand. They want people like you to leave. They want the people that are the 37 year old, hard working business owners to leave. They want everybody to leave. They want the people to stay. That, that is their intention. They want to do that. Let's just say if that is the truth, this next exodus California is going to be experiencing. Tom, what would you be thinking about at 37 years old? How would you decide? Would you just sit there and be like, take it?

[Rob]

No. Remember, we left in 2015. I was older than 37 when we left. But this is exactly what we were thinking about.

[Pat]

That's right.

[Rob]

We were thinking about school quality for our kids. We were at, I won't say the name, a very prominent private school in la. And what was very interesting, it was the best in terms of the. It was moderate and it was having more celebrity kids come there, moderate coming there from Harvard, Westlake and things that were far more liberal. And we were looking at all of that and I was like, you know what? I can't raise my girls here. And for a lot of reasons, I felt squeezed out of California and I left.

[Pat]

And by the way, you're somebody that the state shouldn't lose.

[Rob]

Exactly. My dad worked in aerospace industry. He was a, literally a rocket engineer, mathematician. He met my mom at a defense contractor where they both work. She was a file clerk. I was born out there. I lived through the 1971 earthquake. I lived through the 1994 Northridge earthquake, where the school I was going to, I had graduated. But it was the 94 earthquake that was so severe, where you had all the stuff that collapsed up there at Cal State Northridge. I went and got my MBA at Pepperdine University. I'm a California kid. I was born out there. Now my dad's job moved us. We were in a little bit in Florida, a little bit in Connecticut. But I came back there where all my cousins and family was and that was it. And then I get married and I feel squeezed out. And I wasn't alone. I talked to so many people that were going through the same mental process that I went through. And I got something to say about this. This was yes or no, the closest election in the last five elections for the Republican candidate. Right. It was that close. After 1.2 million conservatives left, which shows you that the people that are there are shifting. Can you imagine if those 1.2 conservatives were still there, how close that election would have been? And so the people in California. I'm seeing people are fed up. I see people.

[Pat]

I think both you and Vinnie are right, because the distinction, Tom, is the following. I don't think the Hollywood people, they're gonna lose all of those guys because they fear the favor.

[Rob]

No, I agree with that, but I'm saying that there's secret agent moderates that have flex.

[Pat]

No, you're right. And that's the distinction between the two. Yesterday I had an hour conversation with Sharon Osborne and we're having a. She is. She is Hollywood. If you remember, Sharon Osborne was the one that they. On t. On the streets. She's walking. She says, so what do you think about BLM? She says, the biggest fraud. We gave them $900,000. I don't know if you remember when she said that.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, of course.

[Pat]

So she's. You know, they can't even believe what's going on with LA right now. Let me go to Khloe Kardashian. So here's the Hollywood. Okay. It doesn't get bigger than the names. Kardashian. That's the name, right? Ok, so Khloe Kardashian slammed by liberals for calling out Mayor Karen Bass over response in LA fires. Rob, do you have a clip on this or. Oh, this is the one that she posted. Right. Okay. Can you zoom in so I can read some of this stuff? So she posts this on Instagram. I stand by you, Chief Crowley. You spoke the truth and had tears in your eyes because I can't tell you didn't even want to say that it was the truth. Ok, go a little bit lower and says, thank you for being honest. Chief Crowley. Mayor Bass, you are a joke. Okay, interesting. So here we go with the story. Chloe Carden called that LA made a joke on Instagram, accusing her of cutting the LA fired upon a budget before the devastating wildfires. Kardashian shared a clip of LA Fire Chief Kristen Crowley alleging she asked, is this the clip, Ralph?

[Rob]

This is the clip that Khloe Kardashian screen grabbed and then wrote that.

[Pat]

Post a. Post a clip here. Go for it.

[Vinnie]

Did the city of Los Angeles fail.

[Pat]

You and your department and our city? She don't want to answer.

[Tom]

It's my job to stand up as.

[Pat]

A chief and exactly say justifiably what.

[Tom]

The Fire Department, Department needs to operate.

[Pat]

To meet the demands of the community. Did they fail you?

[Rob]

That is our job.

[Pat]

And I tell you, that's why I'm here. So let's get us what we need.

[Vinnie]

So our firefighters can do their jobs.

[Rob]

Did they fail you.

[Tom]

Yes.

[Pat]

Wow. Dude. It's not easy to do that because she knows, like, what's coming after she knows what's coming. Liberals criticize Kardashian for remarks with one saying, it's interesting how Khloe, Elon, Musk, Kardashian have been very quick to call Mayor Bass a joke but had no smoke for Trump, J.D. vance and Elon during the past election. Another added, chloe got some nerve calling the mayor of LA a joke when she literally has Tristan Thomas. Daddy. Critics are also wrongly accused Khloe Kardashian of exceeding water usage limits during California drought, which had actually been reported about her sister Kimiko. So you see this right while this is taking place, does Karen Bass finally respond, Rob, to all the criticism she has.

[Tom]

She just made some statements.

[Rob]

I have a video of her. She doesn't respond directly, but here she is. This is her.

[Vinnie]

Happy. Happy as all can be.

[Tom]

Angelinos, we're still going through it. And to any of you, and all of you that have experienced a loss.

[Pat]

The grief, the anger, the just utter shock.

[Tom]

I've seen the devastation. It is unbelievable the amount of loss, loss that people have experienced. But we have to get through this crisis and I know that we will. I was at the SYLMAR command post today and I saw the work of our first responders and how they've been able to defeat the fires in certain areas. We know we still have much more to go and we know the winds are going to kick up again, but.

[Pat]

We got to stick together, we got.

[Tom]

To stand strong, and then we have.

[Pat]

To rebuild our city. We're the nation's second largest city, one of the greatest cities in the world.

[Tom]

And we stay together and we will rebuild an amazing city. So thank you.

[Pat]

By the way. You can stop that and do me a favor and pull up this clip and then I'll come to you guys.

[Rob]

While you're pulling that up, I got one thing to say. You get to change the soundtrack on that. And she's wishing everybody a happy fourth of July. Look at the body language.

[Vinnie]

She's happy. And I'll tell you why.

[Rob]

That's all I got to say. I'm done.

[Pat]

Go to your clip.

[Rob]

I don't want to interrupt.

[Pat]

Tom, you okay?

[Vinnie]

He's fired up. I love it.

[Rob]

I'm disappointed. That's not leadership.

[Pat]

Go to the independent one. Rob, go to the. It's okay. Karen Bass once insisted she wouldn't go abroad as LA mayor. Instead, she took five city funded trips overseas.

[Vinnie]

Isn't that weird? Isn't that weird? And think about Pat. Think of the timing, guys, okay? On January 1st, January 2nd, they knew the fires were coming. Okay, Tom? They knew. They knew it was going to come. And what does she do?

[Rob]

Dry January, Santa Ana wins. It's just waiting, coming.

[Vinnie]

You know it's coming, guys. And don't let's not play stupid. I don't want to hear the race card. I don't want to hear the feminine, the woman. No, no, you're the mayor. Why the hell are you going to Africa? To Ghana to see the presidential inauguration. Okay? And like you just said, she left six times promising she wouldn't leave the country.

[Pat]

All right?

[Vinnie]

And let's talk about these left wing policies. They don't realize that she is a Marxist communist sympathizer.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Vinnie]

In the 1970s, she organized for the Venceremos Brigade, a group linked to Marxist Leninist ideology that sought to subvert American interests, weaken democracy and spread communism around the world. It's out there. She's out there. This is what she's done. And she spread communism around the world. She made 15 trips to Cuba defying US travel restrictions. And upon Fidel Castro's death in 2016, she. She praised him as Commandante El Jefe, which is commander in Chief, calling his passing a great loss. This is how. How can someone act like they love America, love our values, but you're doing this. Why would you travel to Cuba 15 times?

[Rob]

And she got a funny jersey underneath that shirt.

[Vinnie]

Yeah. Isn't that weird? And it's like. And you have to think, why the smiling of the face? You're not in the country when you said you weren't going to leave. It's almost as if you didn't want to be here because you knew this shit was coming.

[Tom]

15 times to Cuba.

[Vinnie]

15 times to Cuba. What are you doing? And these are just little things back like this makes people argue. Like her alignment with communist ideas.

[Tom]

She visited Cuba eight times in the 1970s.

[Pat]

Can you go to the Venceromos Brigade? Zoom in. Is an international organization financed 69 by members of the Student of Democratic Society Central Cuba. It was formed as a coalition of young people to show solidarity to the Cuban revolution By working side by side. We Cuban workers challenge US policies towards Cuba, including United States embargo against Cuba. The year brigade trips 2010 and then continue today. Or can. So what part is. Was this a communist left wing organization? Can you control f Search Communism?

[Tom]

Yeah, if you're taking a dozen plus trips to Cuba, you're not exactly this.

[Vinnie]

Group is linked to Marxist Leninist ideology. This group, that's this group. So what is she doing?

[Pat]

Okay, well, you know, when you, when you, the great thing about where we're at today, with everything that's going on, you're seeing the speed of doing something about the issues. And now the people of California and LA can vote accordingly and change, period. You're seeing Newsom standing there talking as if everything is happy. Go lucky, you know, go speak to the families of the people that lost their homes. The $250 billion billion dollars of them go to the 24 total death that took place. How many people, by the way, when you're, when you're going through this, Tom, how much have you found solutions and what's going to be happening with insurance? Because when I'm looking at this right now and I'm reading this insurance story, okay, that says. Rob, where's that story about insurance companies leaving? I know it's one of the stories that we wanted to talk about.

[Rob]

Maine, that is page seven. California. I'm sorry, page eight. California bans insurance cancellation in LA affected areas.

[Pat]

Yeah, so check this out. California. This is a fortune story, folks. California bans insurance cancellation in LA fire affected areas. Okay. In LA fire affected areas. Who are you to ban insurance cancellation? Insurance companies are gonna leave because you are not creating the climate a place for them to stay. These are underwriters that are sitting there saying, why would I stay? Okay, let me read this to you and Tom, I'm going to come to you because I've been looking at some stuff and I want to know if you found anything here. I have some thoughts, some solutions. I'm sure you do as well. California banned insurance from canceling or not rewriting residential property policies in LA neighborhood that were affected by the blazes that destroyed swats of the city. This week the state's Insurance commissioner, Ricardo Lar issued a one year mandatory moratorium to shield. Those in these neighborhoods are rejoining zip codes of the Palisades and East Eaten fires whether they suffered a loss or not. The order. This order applies to all residential property policies enforced as of January 7th when Gavin Newsom declared state emergency. The California Department insurance may extend a moratorium to other zip codes that could become affected by wildfires. Our top priority is protecting Californians during this crisis and helping us recover. People don't face the added stress on finding new insurance during this horrific event. Okay, that's. Laura said, adding to the moratorium. Tom, your thoughts on this?

[Rob]

Yeah, so I've been diving into what is going to happen to who? And so I found, looked at it and there's, there are a couple different consumers in Palisades. Consumer number one, I own my home and it's paid off, but I didn't have full insurance on it. That's my choice. Once I own the whole home, it's my choice on how I insure it and do I put an umbrella policy over it. Those people, if they have the resources, they will pay to rebuild it themselves. If they don't have the money to pay to rebuild and they were underinsured, they're probably going to sell the property to somebody else because you just don't have the money to rebuild it. The second group is you had a mortgage. And this is probably the safest group because if you had a mortgage, you had to have insurance on the structure. The mortgage company requires you to. As a matter of fact, when you're just starting out and it's your first home, it's called pmi. They force you to have insurance on your home. So those people that had insured are going to rebuild their home, but do they have enough bridge money to live in an apartment or live somewhere else and wait the three years or more it's probably going to take to rebuild the home? That's it. So they may run out of bridge money. The insurance company says, well, Vinnie, we're going to pay to rebuild the home at today's prices, but this is the percent that you're covering. So you may only have like 85, 80, 85%. So you're going to build something smaller, it's more expensive and you may decide to rebuild and wait, if you've got bridge or you sell and the last group is the super wealthy, they're just going to rebuild again. But that's the smallest group. There is going to be developers that come in because Palisades. Let's talk about Palisades and Altadena separately. In Palisades, no developer is going to come in there and build 5,000 condos, right? Yeah. It's going to be large single family homes that are eventually going to rebuild and it's going to be a completely new neighborhood, probably more expensive than it ever was. But that's going to take Probably a full 10 years to complete because we have to. How are you going to rebuild it? You can't just rebuild them all at once. There's not enough labor, there's not enough contractors. Now in Altadena, there's some more moderate neighborhoods over there. Those people are probably going to Sell. And as for the insurance cancellation, I was looking at this, Pat. What they're saying is you can't send them a letter right now saying, hey, Patrick, just to let you know when your policy is up, you will be canceled. We will not. They won't say, canceling you. That's what they say. If you're a bad driver, they'll say, we won't be renewing your policy, Patrick, in September. People need that notice so they can look around and find somebody else. And they're telling the carriers, you can't send out notices that say you're going to cancel in the future. We don't want people to have that. So the insurance companies are like, well, wait a minute. What if Patrick is up May 1st? That's like in two months. We're not even going to have all the ashes swept out of the streets by then. But we need to let Patrick know we won't be renewing your insurance policy because there's no structure. And so you'll just need. By the way, remember, you don't need a home insurance policy when there's no structure. You only need liability because it's your property. And if someone slips and falls on your driveway, because your driveway is the only thing that's left. Right. You do. No, the reality, I'm not making a joke. The reality is you do need that. You do need that basic coverage. And so I, you know, I'm looking around, Pat, and I think there's a lot of these consumers are going to be selling. And the ones that are going to stay, you know, they got to have extra resources to cover the real rebuild cost. And living in an apartment for three years, because people are saying it's a minimum of three years. Because you got to find a developer, you got to get supplies, you got to get a permit, and then you got to get all this cleaned up. And we haven't even talked about something. The entire. All the neighborhoods that were above ground electrical, guess what? PGE's gotta come in and rebuild all the electric lines and everything in those communities so that there's electricity for when they rebuild those homes.

[Vinnie]

Yeah. And you mind if I respond to this? And, Tom, we talked about this earlier. And what worries me is, like, remember what Rahm Emanuel said? What was the famous quote? He said, never let a disaster crisis go to waste. Okay. And if you can, Pat, I have this clip I showed Rob where Newsom is talking about calling Josh Green the Maui fires. Okay? They exposed the same stuff that's happening right now. Government failure Delayed response, ignored warnings and all these priorities. He says something about reimagining California where he calls the Maui guy. And this is what bothers me, Tom. Those people that you're talking about now that have nothing, okay. That the house was worth, let's say 10 million with in regard to insurance. Now if somebody comes and wants to buy up the landtime, they could offer them way less and say listen, everything's gone. You didn't have the right insurance. We're going to give you this much money, cash, Tom, get, go, go about your business. Am I right?

[Rob]

People that had their house paid off.

[Vinnie]

Yes.

[Rob]

That for some of them that don't have the resources and were underinsured, that is their only choice. She's to sell the land to tomorrow's developer.

[Vinnie]

And so, so when he says this, Pat, isn't this a worrisome thing where he says he called him and do you mind if we like look at his face?

[Pat]

I want to stay. Is this about insurance?

[Vinnie]

It's about the land. Grabbing the land.

[Pat]

Okay, play this clip, Rob.

[Tom]

We're dealing with a myriad of issues. I was just talking to Josh Green, the governor.

[Vinnie]

So funny.

[Tom]

Down in Hawaii you had some ideas around some land use concerns. He has speculators coming in, buying up properties and the like. So we're already working with our legal teams to, to move those things forward and we'll be presenting those in a matter of days, not just weeks.

[Vinnie]

Unbelievable.

[Pat]

So, but, but, but let's stay on this. I'm interested in solutions. So I looked up to see who were some of the people that were able to prevent their homes from like I googled and searched which houses made it and why. That's what I'm interested in. Which houses made it and why. Type in Michael Johnson house fire. Yeah. And it's a story. Let me see who it's by. It's a story by Michael Johnson.

[Rob]

You need to put Olympic athlete.

[Pat]

Yeah, put Olympic. Olympic with the gold shoes. Yeah.

[Vinnie]

Oh yeah.

[Pat]

He was a man.

[Vinnie]

200 meter dash champs.

[Pat]

So okay. Metal wealthy homeowners and their insurance turned to hired. Okay, this is the one to fight LA fires. Okay, go a little bit lower to, to the Michael Johnson side. Let me see which one. Okay, there it is. When former Olympic gold medal sprinter Michael Johnson heard the Palisades fire was heading his way, he knew his multi million dollar Hill State hillside home and Malibu was in danger. Johnson didn't simply dial 91 1. He turned to his private firefighting system for protection. Johnson pays $5,000 a year to Lease the system a pump and hose apparatus that can draw large amounts of water from his swimming pool to help fight the progress of wildfires and backstop the city's municipal firefighters and hydrants. Okay, so this is a system, I think he said there's about 500. It'll tell you how much water is in the pool. Justice Johnson and his wife started hosing down their property in hopes of preventing any embers from igniting. A man sent by the system supplier, Fire Defense Service showed up to help them. The Johnson soon evacuated believing they would never see their house again. But the man from Fire Defense stayed behind to help protect their house and a neighbor who was a client. His plan was to fight it if it came. Johnson. As the inferno engulfed, tensions have flared over the crews of firefighters. And then there was another story. If you go a little bit lower, Rob Another person shows their house why it made it and keep going lower. And he says the equipment you buy says the problem with wildfires is the stuff you have inside the house. So if you Google, Rob houses that made it from the wildfire. So once the fire gets in the house, the inside the house is the stuff it has. That's what caused it to just explode. You have a lot of things that. So the equipment you buy to make sure. Yeah, I mean I'll send it to here in a minute while we're going. But I think it's one of the above, Rob, that shows houses that actually made it. Yeah, that's the one right there. Zoom in a little bit, Rob. Okay. Why these homes made survive the LA fires Go a little bit lower. So this is what I'm interested in. More than 12,000 structures have been wild for ridging single homes. A brand new house on Pacific Design and built by our architect Greg Chase in A Norton Summer 2024 could have easily been one of them. None of other homes around it survived. And car parked out up front of neighbor was perfect vector to spread the flames. Yet on January 9, after a night of devastation Chase and found the house intact, barely touched by fire. A photo of the house posted on Malibu Architect went viral on X and a threat on Reddit swelled with guesses about who saved it. Can you open that up? Let's see what that looks like. Okay. I think it's this. That's the same house. So you see that house right there? No word. The guy, the owner of the house said the following. Can you, can you. Can I read? Yeah, there you go. No words, really. Just a horror show. Some of the design choices we Made here helped, but we were also very lucky. Zoom in a little bit. That's his house. Look at the stuff on the left and look at the stuff on the right. Okay, so now go back to the story, Rob, if you could. And let's continue. Luck was the biggest factor chasing concedes. But it wasn't providence alone. If it weren't for several fire resilient design strategies, the home would have been destroyed. This house was a personalized labor of love and a dear friend. It means a lot from corn. Thousands of Angelenos are still at risk anyways, so go fireproofing. Let's see what it says. Go a little bit lower. Some of Jason's fireproofing decisions stand out in the picture. The yard is protected area free of vegetation, fenced off by cast and place concrete garden walls with landscaping and space sparse Mediterranean dessert style. The homeowners has been through fires before, so he was prepared. He removed rubbish bins and other loose items from around the house and even left the side gates open. Knowing that a fire can spread along a fence to a house. We were unfortunate that the neighbor parked the car adjacent to the house. There's a molten aluminum in the picture. 1200 degrees Fahrenheit. That wall prevent a lot of heat from getting into the house. Other design factors were more subtle. Along the side of the house, there are no eaves or overhangs which can form eddies or trap embers blown by high wind. The house doesn't have any attic vents to allow sparks to get inside the roof, which is metal with a fire resilient under layman. And the house is simple front gaveled without multiple roof lines. I mean, this is the part where if somebody is thinking about staying in LA and building a house, call this guy. Chasing that guy's gonna get a lot of phone calls because this is the perfect commercial for him. I built this house. Would you like me to do the same for you? Right. Think about that. So then I go on seeing which insurance companies in California or other insurance companies are looking at a solution to addressing the wildfire issues. And I find this story on Wall street journal from December 16th. Okay. This is pre fires. Think about it. December 16th is a month ago. Rob, I just send it to you if you can pull it up. December 16th. Insurance startup has a plan to cover uninsurable homes. This new insurance company raised $30 million and is writing policies in California wildfire zones. Hopefully they're still in business because that was a month ago. Okay. Mark Mitchell spent more than $100,000 to make his family home in California Santa Cruz Mountains more resilient to wildfires after it suffered damage when a nearby redwood growth burned in 2020. Despite his efforts, he couldn't find an insurance that could have covered his home for more than two years. That is until Friday when Mitchell signed a contract with Standard Insurance. They are the only company that has been able to figure out how much we've done to protect our house and that it's a reasonable risk to insure stand as a new insurance startup that seeks to cover homes in areas other insurance are banning because of risks from natural disasters like wildfires and studs. The company says it's simulation software allows it to better predict risk and identify improvements homeowners should make to increase resiliency. This guy used to be a guy that was with Metro Mile, which if you know Lemonade now publicly traded company Lemonade. They've done well for themselves. Insurance companies are not financing. People are not financing insurance companies right now. But these guys got the 30 million. One of the things Tom thoughts for you is while this has taken place, what if the governor goes out and says following, hey, we have to think about solutions and we have to bring problem solvers in here. We're dedicating a billion dollars towards startups that come and present to us with a board of seven people that are founders of companies that have built multibillion dollar companies. And each these guys come and present their ideas and their opportunities and you greenlight 30 million to this one. 20 million to this one. 10 million to this one. 50 million to this one. 40 million to this one. With the hopes of people trying to find creative ways of solving this issue long term. What do you think about that idea?

[Rob]

I think it's a great idea. I think what happens is sometimes innovation comes out of just forward thinking and great futurists and visionaries. Other times innovation comes out of crisis. And I think right now we've had enough wildfires in California, number one. Number two, we've had enough of samples of wildfires outside of California. I think the Telegraph file was in Arizona, I believe. Is that right, Rob and Lahaina? So you have the crisis set and I don't know if the state would be the one that would figure it out. But if you had a board of proven entrepreneurs that are figuring out where this goes, then I think you've got a great chance of succeeding because you've got a bunch of entrepreneurs there that have built things that understand what it takes. And it's not just bureaucrats. Making decisions. I think the key to success, what you talked about would be that board of entrepreneurs that are making decision. Okay, this is what we're going to do here. This is what we do here. There are right now, there's been innovations in insurance, such as they use drone technology and they fly around and if you told them that you have a 1965 Corvette and it's parked in a garage and it's locked and they run this drone around your neighborhood three times and they say it's not parked there. You have an extra large driveway. It's parked to the side under a tarp. That's not as safe from theft as it would be in your garage. We're going to underwrite you differently. There's a lot of ways where there's innovations that are out there and I like the idea of, of having innovation at the.

[Pat]

What's that, Rob?

[Rob]

Intersection.

[Vinnie]

So, Pat, this is in Japan. They have a 200 year old village called Kayabuki. No Soto. Okay? It's. They have a firefighting system and when people talk about they don't have the money, that they have money, guys. And you nailed it. It's preventative. What are you doing? Because you know what's going to happen. When I was in California, they started retrofitting my apartment and every. Because they know earthquakes are coming. If you know a fire is coming, look at this clever thing that they have in, in Japan. Look at this. They know a fire is coming.

[Rob]

In Shirakawa village, Japan, ancient thatched houses.

[Pat]

Over 250, flammable as hell, hide a stunning secret. An automatic spray sprinkler system. When a fire breaks out, 60 sprinklers instantly pop up and spray high pressure water like a giant fountain, quickly extinguishing the flames.

[Tom]

Does California have anything like that?

[Vinnie]

No, no, absolutely not, Adam, because they're spending money on $24 billion on homelessness. And the percentage went up.

[Tom]

But they solved the homeless. Crazy.

[Vinnie]

Oh, yeah, because it went on well.

[Tom]

Oh, they didn't solve homelessness.

[Vinnie]

No, no. They invested in homelessness.

[Tom]

Yeah. California.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, California.

[Pat]

Really?

[Tom]

I thought they fixed it.

[Vinnie]

No, no, they invested in it to make it get crazy. So that's the thing. There are.

[Rob]

They had a war on homelessness, but homelessness won.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tom]

Yeah, like the war on drugs.

[Vinnie]

So there are solutions. And like, for instance, is there, you know that fire retardant stuff that goes on on the airplanes, that red stuff? Sorry, Adam, very offensive word. Spray the house. Do something. Give these people a freaking. Give them hope. There has to be A solution, but we have, we have stuff on Mars.

[Pat]

What's the, what's the, what's the crime if you're the person that started the fire?

[Vinnie]

Arsonist.

[Pat]

What, what's the crime in California?

[Vinnie]

It's arson. And you are in deep, deep.

[Pat]

But what is it, though? What, what is the levels of punishment?

[Tom]

Oh, let's find that. Billy Joel wrote about this.

[Rob]

I think arson that leads to death, Pat, is you can be subject to capital.

[Pat]

Let's see this. Arson in California is a felony that can result in imprisonment, fine, and restitution. The punishment depends on the type of property burned of the crime. Imprisonment, the length of time depends on the arson, ranging from 60 months to nine years. Convicts may face up to $50,000. Fine, restitution. Offenders may be required to pay victims for damages. Go ahead, go pull up. You need Elon Musk type of money to pay the damages? Yeah. Probation. Convicts may be placed on probation for up to five years.

[Tom]

Not enough. No, I, I, not enough.

[Vinnie]

If you're getting.

[Tom]

Let me tell you something, because we're starting to see these people that coming out of the woodworks, they're arresting them from their homes and they're finding out that they're arsonists and they're setting fires.

[Vinnie]

Dressed up as firemen.

[Tom]

One guy to break into somebody's house and try to steal stuff as firemen. These people, when you talk about accountability.

[Vinnie]

You know, look at this guy, Pat. Look at this.

[Tom]

Who's this guy?

[Vinnie]

This looks like a Melrose area. It looks like it. I think this is la.

[Tom]

It's lighting a fire.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, look, look, look. And then boom.

[Tom]

This is like, okay, so, you know, I said something pretty controversial a couple years ago, and people said, are you kidding me? And then it turns out, oh, my God, I wasn't that crazy. I said, if you're a school shooter and you do something crazy and you go in and you kill a bunch of people, bunch of kids, I said, and then you can, you end up killing yourself. I go, where are the parents? Let's find these people. They said, well, you know, parents can't be held responsible for the crimes of their kids. And then what happened in Michigan? The parents get arrested because all of a sudden they're like, no, no, no, no, no. Whatever we did in the past can't be what we do moving forward. Past performance can't predict future results. Hold the parents accountable. So if you're telling me some arsonist in California just burnt down the entire city of LA, basically, and he's gonna face a fifty thousand dollar fine and 79 years in jail. Him, Rob and anyone associated with him needs to be held accountable.

[Pat]

I got you, Rob. Google arson crime punishment by state. By state. Okay, Watch this here. Okay. Zoom in a little bit, Rob, so we can see it. There you go. So it depends by the state. Florida, it's 30 years.

[Vinnie]

Good.

[Pat]

In prison.

[Vinnie]

Good.

[Pat]

While in California was nine years.

[Tom]

Okay, that's. That's a retard thing because are there fires in California or there are fires in Florida?

[Vinnie]

Exactly.

[Tom]

It's so backwards.

[Pat]

Rob, can you maybe type in what state has the most severe punishment for arson? Has the most severe punishment for arson? Yeah, I'm just curious right now. What state is it? According to veteran, California is widely considered to have one of the most severe punishments. Nine years. It's not that bad. What are they talking about? What is it? Tell us what it is. Go a little lower.

[Rob]

Well, you do have the death penalty potential.

[Pat]

Where do you see the death penalty?

[Rob]

Arson results in fatalities.

[Pat]

Okay. In extreme cases. Which arson like the death penalties are. Has a person ever had a death penalty in California for arches.

[Tom]

Does California even practice the death penalty?

[Pat]

Well, let's see this here. If somebody. Has anyone ever. California death penalty? No, California does not allow.

[Rob]

Hang on.

[Tom]

It doesn't even have the death penalty.

[Pat]

Federal court Arsonist gives death sentence Ricky Lee Flower has been convicted of murder over 2003 fire that caused five heart attack deaths breathing and yep, fire got killed five. So this guy. This guy died. It's Ricky Lee Fowler dead.

[Tom]

Well, hopefully not the golfer because he's a good guy. But who's this guy?

[Pat]

Ricky Lee Fowler? What is that? Can you. So in terms of Ricky Lee Fowler. Yeah. I want to know if this has happened because when something like this happens there has to be an example made at the highest level. And when the example is made, then from there, you know, it gets some people's attention. Not everybody's attention. It gets some people's attention, but yeah. Look, I can't again if I'm the governor of the state, the first thing I want to do is get the smartest people in front of me. We're going to have a full on meeting to come up with ideas on what to do with this. What money do we need, who do we call, who do we raise the capital from? Problem solvers are in my state. Let's get to it. Let's get to find out what happens here. Rob, did we find out if this guy died or not?

[Tom]

I can't find that. He was put to death.

[Pat]

So that leads me to ask Brandon, can one of you guys check this? Ricky Lee Fowler, death penalty, California.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, and just. And just so we know, because there's a lot of speculation, people are wondering. I saw satellite imagery of all three separate fires starting at the same exact time. I keep seeing videos of these arsonist. Black, hooded, like antifa looking guys. Juan, the guy that got arrested in Woodland Hills. Pat, the guy that was walking around with that yellow blowtorch, and Kenneth Fire. Guess what? They arrested him. He's a Mexican national who's entered the U.S. illegally, has a criminal history, including a 2023 conviction for assault with a deadly weapon. He's currently held in a felony probation violation. He hasn't been charged with arson due to insufficient evidence. He had a yellow blowtorch in his hand trying to start stuff on fire. ICE has placed a detainer on him. But California, here we go. With California, sanctuary state policies may prevent local authorities from honoring it, potentially hindering his deportation. So the guy running around with a blowtorch that civilians. The people in the hills have to stop him.

[Tom]

You can't.

[Vinnie]

He's an illegal.

[Tom]

Because he might be considered racist. Everyone knows that. You can't do that.

[Pat]

Ricky Lee Fowler, the arsonist convicted for starting the 2003 Old Fire in California, was sentenced to death penal as of January 2025. There are no public records indicating that his execution has been carried out. Given the lengthy appeals process typical in death penalty cases, it is likely that he remains on death row.

[Tom]

So why do they have the most strictest policies?

[Pat]

No, they don't have the most strictest. They don't have the most strictest. It's just this is a prime example of. You have to make an example of the people, okay? You have to put the scare. What's the phrase, the fear of death, the fear of God and the fear of death into people who do things like this and who benefits from this fire? I'm trying to see, like, who actually benefits from this fire. If you were to think about who benefits from this fire. Insurance companies don't benefit from this fire. Who benefits from this fire, Tom? Well, ultimately I'm trying to think like a dark. Like if there's something behind it, because you know how the Chase Hughes guy that we had on the podcast who said anytime you see a massive event that takes place and then they come up with immediate solutions to say, this is what we have to put cameras, this is a Ricoh and Patriot act and all this stuff happened. Who in a psyop form. I mean, this would be the darkest psyop of all time. Who actually benefited from this?

[Tom]

Real estate developers.

[Rob]

Well, yeah, real estate developers in California, construction workers are going to be employed for a good long time. So the entire construction industry in California benefits. But it's not like a flip of the switch. It's not like the airline stocks the day after 9, 11.

[Vinnie]

Right.

[Rob]

This going to take some time for deals to be awarded and things, things like that.

[Vinnie]

Remember the wf, they said you'll own nothing, you'll drive nowhere. They'll, they, they won't let you have cars, you won't have to leave the city. Those 15 minute cities that they're talking about, they just want to keep you in there. They want to keep you. They don't want you driving. They want everybody. Did you see that video of China? There's a new video of China where you can't even go to certain sectors, Rob of China, unless they do a, an ID check of your face. Like China's locking down. So if you're an elite, it's, it's one of those 15 minute city things. I'm trying to.

[Tom]

Can I respond? Nothing and be happy. Real quick, Pat.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Tom]

So when they say those things, like.

[Pat]

You'Ll repeat, they just don't repeat that stuff that people have said. But go ahead, let's see what point you're going to make.

[Tom]

All right. You know they say own nothing and be happy. Well, it depends on what you own. So we're having a conversation here about whether people should buy. Pat, you said that the average age of someone In California was 36, 37 years old. Right. So what they're going through in life right now is probably they're not officially settled. We all know that people are waiting longer and longer to get married, longer and longer to have kids. They're, they're going through this strategy. I always say that you, right now in your life, you should have low overhead and high flexibility. We talked about insurance. You know who loves talking about insurance and you know who loves buying insurance? Nobody. Nobody wants insurance. Nobody wants car insurance. Nobody wants health insurance. Nobody wants life insurance. But you need it to protect yourself. They said it's called o insurance in case happens. Right. So nobody wants this, but now boomers. You see this article in the Wall Street Journal how millennials officially have it worse than their parents, which were the boomers when it comes to buying real estate. And what were the. Tom, you would remember this. What were the lowest and highest interest rates in the early 80s? If you're going to Buy a house.

[Rob]

Oh, right. The minutes after. So you was, it got to 14, it got to 16, it got even higher than that. This was the end of Carter and like the first year of Reagan. While all of his referrals.

[Tom]

I want to say it's high 18. It's basically buying a house on a credit card. So I'm thinking like, hold on. What?

[Rob]

Yeah, that was pure peak.

[Tom]

Right, so. And go back to the top of the article, Rob, just so we understand my point here. Millennials have it worse. How is that. How do millennials have it worse? Now, if you go into these graphs, it'll show you it basically comes down to supply and demand. So, you know, they said that in, in when you're buying a house, there's another article here about basically how taxes. Here it is right here. Insurance and taxes now cost more than your actual mortgage. So Vinnie, for two years would ask, is now a good time to buy? Is now a good time to buy? Is now a good time to buy what? These articles are basically saying that is it. That is the worst time to buy. So, you know, in California, you talked about who the people are there. You're either the have nots or the have yachts is what they call them, the haves or the have nots. If you have millions of dollars, you can afford someone to. Whatever Michael Johnson did, you're going to be okay.

[Pat]

I don't know what you're saying.

[Tom]

What I'm saying is now is a horrible time to buy a piece of property. It is possibly the worst time that we've experienced in California, in the country, and especially in California now, if you've got a ton of money, you're going to be okay. But if you're the average person, I can't tell you how many messages I get from people on my neck that say, hey, I'm 24 years old, I've been told I should buy property. I said, really? How much money do you have saved up? Like three grand. Oh, yeah. What's your credit rating? Not that good. Do you, do you have any kids? No. Why would you buy a house? And then they say the same thing every single time. What do they say? Well, I've always been told that renting is throw away money. You don't have any money, you can't afford a house. Go save money. Put money into the stock market. And that's my point right here. Own nothing and be happy.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Tom]

If you own assets like stocks or crypto or Think or I own REITs, real estate investment trust. You Know where you can take that? Anywhere the hell you want to go.

[Pat]

Got it.

[Tom]

And if your house burns down, you don't have to worry about it.

[Pat]

Perfect.

[Tom]

Is there something that I said that.

[Pat]

No, I was trying to disagree with your. Not. Not disagree with. Are we on point with what we were talking about? But your point was made. It was about finance. What decisions to make, what decisions not to make.

[Tom]

Isn't that what it all comes down to?

[Pat]

These people. I get it. I understand. But on. In the context of the story that we were in specific to California trying to find solutions, this would have been something that's a complete different side story. But I get what you're saying. Let's just move on. Okay, so going to the next story here that we have. Where's that one story? I wanted to get into the story. Okay, here we go. So Mark Zuckerberg slams Apple on its lack of innovation and random rules. This is a clip Rob with him on Rogan this last week. This is after, I think the introduction was made with them going to community notes, Dana White on the board. And then here's what he has to say about Apple. Go for it.

[Rob]

Haven't really invented anything great in a while. It's like Steve Jobs invented the. The iPhone and now they're just kind of sitting on it 20 years later. And, you know, they actually, I think year over year, I'm not even sure they're selling more iPhones at this point. I think, like, the sales might actually be declining. I think part of it is that each generation, it doesn't actually get that much better. So people are just taking longer to upgrade than they would before. So the number of sales, I think is. Has generally been flat to declining. So how are they making more money as a company? Well, they do it by basically like squeezing people. And like you're saying, like having this 30% tax on developers by getting you to buy more peripherals and things that plug into it. You know, they build stuff like AirPods, which are cool, but they've just thoroughly hamstrung the ability for anyone else to build something that can connect to the iPhone in the same way.

[Pat]

Okay, Tom, smart move choosing Apple as an enemy.

[Rob]

No. And this is. So I'll stick to that. But then I have a comment about Mark, if that's okay, please. So right now, if you're going to pick enemies out there in business, I don't know if Apple is the one I would pick. And he's Facebook and other people have said, well, you know, Apple takes 30% Apple takes 30%. Why don't you make a T shirt and go ask Macy's what percent Macy's wants to make on that T shirt. It's called a retail profit. And so call up our team.

[Vinnie]

And like, I thought Mark Zuckerberg was here talking shit, right?

[Rob]

It's basically retail. And so it's like the developers are out there saying, well, why. Why does Apple take 30% of everything? Because they. The phone, they invented the thing. And if you want to be in their store and the iPhone is a store, you have to do it. But I think picking Apple as an enemy, with Apple's reach and Apple's influence on Meta and Instagram and on, you know, everything that's there, I don't know if I'd be picking Apple as an enemy, but I do know this. Mark Zuckerberg is very clever. And there is a quote in a journal. I think it was one of his PR people in the journal that says, well, this is the real Mark. Well, this is the real guy trying to portray it as if all these years you haven't been seeing Mark Zuckerberg. This is the real guy, you know. Oh, there it is. You know, Zuckerberg debuts real Mark and push to woo Trump. This is all about. This is all about. That was what it was.

[Tom]

What was this?

[Rob]

Yesterday? Last night. Tell me. I was bored. So basically, he is picking an enemy while he's on this tour to put Facebook in a better position. Because as we said on the last podcast, the hearings are coming back on whether Facebook was intentionally doing things that cause young, young people, specifically young girls, to become kind of addicted to it. And then there was a negative effect, and they knew about it and they did nothing about it. There's a lot of things in there, and Facebook is trying to be like, wow, guess what? There's a new sheriff in town. His name is Trump. Well, let's see if we can get Trump's friend to be on our board. Let's see if we can, you know, well, I'll pick Apple as an enemy, you know, and I think a lot of this is a little showmanship. And I don't know about picking Apple as an enemy, though. I think that's. To me, that's kind of dicey. Apple decides, you know, I'm upset with you. You know, I'm going to turn off Instagram for this reason. You know, Apple can do these things. Pick your enemies wisely, even if you're on an apology tour.

[Pat]

Adam, what do you think?

[Tom]

I actually totally disagree with Tom I think you're making a good point that you don't want to necessarily pick Apple as an enemy. But listen, one of your rules was punch up, don't punch down. Apple's a three trillion dollar company. What is meta? Maybe half of that? Fact check that real quick. Meta probably 1 1/2 trillion. And Apple what? 3 trillion if not more. So, you know, you talked about. Yeah, there it is. You talked about, you know, Zuckerberg being held accountable for people on their. On Instagram or sort of doom scrolling all day. Where do you think they're accessing Instagram on their iPhones? Right here. So by the way, you know, the conversation is, is he making a good decision picking Apple as an enemy? Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. Punching up. I agree. But that was on Rogan. Okay.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Tom]

Is what he said wrong? I actually think he's spot on. I was at the Apple store this weekend trying to get my damn phone fixed.

[Pat]

Here.

[Tom]

What have they come out with recently? All right, I got a little new computer, an iPad, nothing new. Nothing new, nothing original, nothing unique. I mean, I use it. God forbid that someone shows up with a Android in a group text. They're going to be shamed for having a disgusting. Just a gross green, green looking thing on your screen. Get out of here, buddy. Shame ever. You got to be blue. Got to be blue. So we're, we're all Apple thing. We, you know, we, we people come to valuetainment. Are you an Apple person? You're an Android person. Get out of here with your Android thing. I'm an Apple person. I get it. Guilty by association. But is Mark Zuckerberg wrong? No, I actually think he's right. Last point about Mark Zuckerberg. It's not like I'm a fan of Mark Zuckerberg. That's the homie. You gotta admit, he's sounding a little bit more reasonable. He's probably not as much of a nerd. I don't know if he's got like the Jewfro going on. He's got his thing going on in his bag. He's working out, he's kicking ass, he's hanging out with Dana White. He called Trump a badass. I don't know, I'm starting to like Mark Zuckerberg a little bit more.

[Vinnie]

But what? The intentions of everything that you just listed at the end. The trying to be cool, the trying to do your hair, doing push ups, trying to be buff, fighting. It's all because he knows.

[Tom]

You mean trying to be better.

[Vinnie]

No, I don't I don't. I don't trust that guy at all. Tom nailed it. He knows who's coming in. He knows who's. Hold on. He knows what he's done, okay? There has to be accountability, and anybody that's going to keep him accountable is the guy that he's kissing his ass now is going to be Trump. Because if all this anxious generation. I'm reading, Pat, you're talking about the stuff that this does, that social media, that Facebook does to the, to the minds of the youth, and you're talking about the phones giving your. That's why I respect the hell out of what you're doing with the kids. Your kids shouldn't have a cell phone till. When they said high school. They shouldn't have a cell phone till high school. And he's talking about Apple and how they're cornering the market. Look at Facebook. They don't have a monopoly. That's the problem. And all the stuff that he's doing, I don't trust it. I don't believe it, by the way.

[Pat]

So, Tom, couple questions for you. He says, what has Apple created since the iPhone? Right. What has Facebook created they've acquired?

[Rob]

Well, that's exactly right, if you go take a look.

[Pat]

But the question is, what have they created?

[Rob]

Well, I read an article two years ago, maybe three years ago, it says, since the thumbs up, like, which was a Facebook innovation, that the news feed and the thumbs up, like, were sort of extensions of Facebook and everything else. Look at what they bought. They bought Instagram, they bought WhatsApp. They abandoned their own picture service that they were trying to build, and they bought Instagram. And you look at what they've bought versus what they've created and the metaverse. Zuckerberg was spending how much on that for four years. Where is it?

[Pat]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What is the last thing they created since the Facebook.

[Rob]

I'm making your point. The answer is, okay, so they've done little things on Facebook and they let me. But they've never. There's been nothing groundbreaking in.

[Pat]

That's it. Okay, so then the other question would be, do you think Zuck, going on the biggest podcast in the world, went in there open, or he went in there with intentions of making 2, 3, 4, 5 statements that he knew he was going to find a way to say while he was with Joe?

[Tom]

Yeah, I agree.

[Rob]

Everything that I've ever read about Mark Zuckerberg and what we've seen in Congress is that he is scripted and intentional in public. He is not off at the. He does not go off at the end and just go to the corner of the room and just talk about what he's thinking.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Rob]

Everything is very intentional.

[Pat]

Perfect. So you think what he said about Apple was intentional?

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Okay, then if it's intentional, it better follow up with an announcement, in my opinion. Meaning that's why Facebook is announcing the. That, that, that, that, that, that, that. That's why this, this, this, this, that. Because when you make a statement like that and you truly are a chess player, I'm looking forward to see the benefit. I'm looking forward to saying, seeing if in the next two, four, six weeks he does do something that he announces. Great. If that comment was made just because he thinks he's on the. You know, now he's got Trump's protection and Elon's protection because he gave Elon some credit with community notes. It's like, wow, now Elon's on my side and Apple, I don't know. The reality of it is every one of these guys that has an app relies on people to use a phone that has most of the apps that are built on, and that phone is called the iPhone. So if Zuck announces Facebook phone coming out, because I think the Facebook phone, I think the phone market. Remember how for the longest time they said nobody ever competed with Pepsi and Coke. Anybody that comes out with a drink, what do they do? Pepsi or Coke buys them RC Cola, whatever. Whatever. They buy them. Right. And it was 40 years until somebody was able to compete with auto manufacturers. Like somebody that came out with a car. Until what car came out and started competing with all the Ford, the gm, all those other guys. It was Tesla. When is the last time somebody came out with a phone that competed with phones?

[Vinnie]

I don't remember.

[Pat]

When BlackBerry went out of business. Okay. Elon, Florida would coming up with the Tesla phone. If you type in Tesla phone, there's pictures of the Tesla phone. If you go on images. Yeah, there's a real sleek right there. That's the image right there that you would see. Hey, what if they come up with a Tesla phone? Can you type in Facebook phone? Type in Facebook phone. Facebook didn't make its own phone, but it did collaborate with HTC and HTC first in 2013, first entered Facebook software. Yeah. And what happened to it? They sold how many? 15,000 units. Critics panned a phone, calling it one of the biggest failures of 2013. The phone ran a pure version of Android under the Facebook. Yeah, that's why I'm saying that comment has to be. You can't make a comment like that to Apple without a follow up. Tom.

[Rob]

I agree with. I agree with that point. And one of the things I was thinking about when I made my top 10 predictions for the year, there is one. It was like, in the, like number 13, I was making my list. One of the things I was noticing was this. X has put video programming on X, like long form, like a football game. Right. They did it. YouTube TV. They've been going at it for years. And they also just got NFL Sunday ticket, right?

[Vinnie]

Yep.

[Rob]

About a year ago they signed that. People enjoying that. And then Amazon, Amazon had some playoff games. Remember that?

[Pat]

Yep.

[Rob]

Yep. Well, what does Facebook need? They need stickiness and they have a slightly older demographic than other social media. And so I thought about it, and then I didn't think about what I'm about to say, but then I started thinking about it again a week ago. Pat, when Dana White's on the board, this is Facebook offering video programming almost like linear tv. And there's a certain guy on the board that has some of the biggest pay per view events in the known universe. So I could. So I was thinking about that when I was doing my top prognostications for the year, saying, what if Facebook gets into the content game the way Amazon and others have tried? Because they don't have that. That's one thing they don't have. And what they need is stickiness to make the ad sales go further.

[Tom]

Well, I mean, I got a. I think we got to give them a little credit. They did develop Facebook threads. I mean, that's killing it right now, right?

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Tom]

But I actually do have a question. From a business owner's perspective, you know, the way you sort of positioned it was like, look, what have they developed? You know, because almost like their business model has been acquiring people, right? Acquiring competitors, seeing ideas out there in the marketplace and honestly, maybe getting them at a discount. Like they bought Instagram for what, a billion dollars? Instagram is probably worth tens of billions of dollars, if not more at this point. From a CEO's perspective, from a founder's perspective, is there something wrong with that model? Is that.

[Pat]

No.

[Tom]

Is there.

[Pat]

Is that a business model? No, no. It's nothing, Nothing wrong with that. You can do that. I'm just saying, when you say, you know, like if, let's just say I'm coming to tell you, you know, I'm. I'm better than you. And I'm trying to give an analogy. I'm better than you and ladies, right? As I look at Adam, when's the last time Adam got an 8? It was Mary nine years ago. And then imagine you follow up and he said, bro, when's the last time you got a six? Okay? So you don't have the right to give that. Only thing, only time you say that. And if you are who I think you are, which is always intentional, he has to follow it up with, here's what we're announcing. And by the way, and FYI, you know what could happen? Let me tell you what could happen. Let me tell you what could happen. What if he does something with Dana that's on the board now that the Facebook stuff that you're talking about, pay per view is now on Facebook. That's very interesting angle then. Now that announcement could be Dana joins this. Zuck goes on, Rogan takes a shot at Apple, gives credit to Musk. Six weeks later, UFC teams up with Facebook. Papa, Papa, guess what? Great job. Great sequencing. I applaud you. Okay, now I get it. So that's the part where I don't know what's going to happen next. And we'll see.

[Tom]

So last thing, was it Facebook that sued Apple in 2020? Remember the Apple commercial that, the, the famous Apple commercial in the 80s? Who was it that that was suing Apple for not letting them on the App Store? Was it Facebook? Yeah, Facebook opposed Apple's changes to app tracking and threatened to file. And do you remember we covered this and this was Dallas. I remember sitting there.

[Rob]

Yeah, Qualcomm and Facebook and two largest.

[Tom]

Where the Apple commercial. 1984. Exactly. So there's beef here. Yeah, there's something going on here.

[Pat]

Okay, we'll see. So let's next story. I'd like it to be five to 10 minutes, guys. So Musk versus Bannon. We got a few more to go through. Bannon lashes out. Musk versus Bannon. Steve Bannon lashes out at billionaire says he should go back to South Africa. What a comment stay to make. So here we go. Forbes Trump ally Steve Bannon attacked Elon Musk. Said he would do anything to keep the world's richest person out of the White House. In a new interview with an Italian newspaper, weeks after Bannon publicly derided Musk for his defense of a skilled visa program, Bannon said Musk should go back to South Africa. Where he is from asking, why do we have South Africans, the most racist people on earth, white South Africans making comments at all on what goes on in the United states? According to WaPo, translation of Musk's interview with Corlee de la Serra. Bannon, a controversial figure whose influence over Trump has been ebbed and float for years, says he would do anything to keep Musk off the White House and is actively working on a strategy to limit his influence over Trump. Telling the paper, Musk's ideas are really about the implementation of techno feudalism on a global scale. Tom.

[Rob]

So, boy, we're to start on C. Bannon, Boy, when he got out and got back on the microphone, got out after, in my opinion, wrongfully imprisoned, wrongfully prosecuted. But when he came back out, he, he is, he's got a belly full of fire. And the thing that he's linked his, you know, two weeks of diatribe to has been the H1B and his position that it takes jobs away from American workers and that they're lower cost jobs, and then the H1B recipient can't change jobs easily. That's his core. I'm not saying that's my point. I'm saying that's what Bannon has said, and he says so. Therefore, since they're getting them for a lower price and they can't change jobs, they have a person there and they should be paying more to an American, you know, a worker of whatever color, but an American citizen should have that job. So he's been really revved up on that. So he's been head to head with Elon Musk on that, because Elon Musk was, you know, it was kind of aimed at Bannon and others when people were very firm on H1B and Musk said to everybody, f you in the face. You know, this is the way I feel about it. And, but I don't agree with Ben and doubling down and then, you know, South Africa being racist. Yeah, there's a history there. But that'd be like if I had a German grandparent, which I don't, but I had a German grandparent. Be like Bannon saying, there goes Ellsworth and his German grandparents, always wanting to start a war and take things over. I think that's out of bounds, right? Has South Africa had a history? Sure it has, but how do you put that, you know, on Elon? Because he hasn't shown that. I haven't, I haven't seen, like, a racist guy. I see a guy sending Starlink around the world for natural disasters. I don't, I don't really see that. I think Bannon's got an issue with visas and he's got a big beef with Musk and it's boiling over into some really heavy natural feelings, I think.

[Vinnie]

You know, and I. I like Steve Bannon. I know he's just trying to stir the pot. But Elon Musk going back to South Africa, that's anti American. The guy's American. He has done so much for America for hiring thousands of Americans. He's getting us out into space. Free speech. He spent lost money to put us on X. And I mean, do I agree with everything that Musk says? No, Todd, I think, you know, you never know what a true person's intentions are. We'll see in the long run. But this whole cheap anti immigrant. Dude, the guy is an American citizen, wasn't he? He was a Canadian citizen as well.

[Tom]

South Africa. Him?

[Vinnie]

No, he was a Canadian. I think he was. Can you check that, Rob? Was he a Canadian citizen as well? We're the land of opportunity, okay? These people has busted their asses. They're doing their thing. It's like, I see a little jealousy, I see a little anger. I'm all about everybody out there knows I'm America first. But this is a cheap ass shot. And it's like we've been saying it, that the Democrats want to separate us and have us all fighting and blah, blah, blah. I think Steve Bannon is better than this. I know he's angry about, you know, being wrongfully accused. But you know what? You have platforms like X that you get to talk all this shit that you cut, you probably would have been in trouble or banned three years ago. Now, now you can say whatever the hell you want. I'm not a big fan of it.

[Rob]

You don't like what he's saying, but you defend his right to say it.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, you damn right. 100%.

[Tom]

Well, as Andrew Schultz said, he's my. One of my favorite African Americans ever. But Elon Musk, did you hear what else he said? He said it wasn't just that, oh, he should go back to South Africa. And there's a history of racism and apartheid in South Africa, okay? That's one thing. He said the following. Elon Musk is a truly evil guy, a very bad guy. I made it my personal thing to take this guy down, all right? You think you're taking Elon Musk down? The richest man in the world. You just got out of jail. Choose your enemies wisely. This is what you want to do. This is what you want to choose. This is punching up. I get it. You know, I said in a couple podcasts ago, MAGA 1.0 versus MAGA 2.0, sort of the nationalists, the populist, the anti immigrant, anti trade, those types of piece versus, look, call it what you will. Elon Musk is a globalist. He has business all over the world. There are. There. There is some conversation to be had about his relationship with China. You know, Steve Bannon basically says he's owned by China in so many words. But the other thing that Steve Bannon said the other day was very interesting is, yeah, we converts. We want converts. We want people to convert. We want people to come to the party. But you sit in the back of the room and I look at that comment like, all right, you think that Elon Musk, who just gave, what, how much money? A quarter of a billion dollars to the Trump campaign, is going to sit in the back of the room? Buddy, he's driving shotgun at this point. So at the end of the day, this MAGA 1.0 versus MAGA 2.0, who's the one person that can diffuse this? Who's the one person that can make sure everything's okay? Trump. You know, six days from now, he has an inauguration.

[Pat]

Do you think Trump likes this?

[Tom]

I don't think.

[Pat]

Do you think Trump. Because remember, Trump is not who you think you are. Do you think he's a guy that looks at the world in a different way than the average person does? Do you think Trump likes this?

[Vinnie]

Nope. Tell me, why the fighting with Bannon? No, because I know that he knows that Bannon's been there for him old school. Bannon has gone to prison for him because of his ideas and being a MAGA supporter. And I think Elon's doing something completely. Same type of vision, same type of goal, but just in a different lane. But I don't think Trump likes the infighting before he's even come into office. He's not even there yet.

[Tom]

I got to tell you, I don't know what role Steve Bannon has in the new Trump administration.

[Vinnie]

If anything, I don't think he has one.

[Tom]

And by the way, I know one thing about Trump. He's no fan of the illegal immigration. He's no fan of. Of the illegals. But when you talk about immigrants and legal immigrants, I mean, even in his. In his inner circle, doesn't he have Sebastian Gorka?

[Pat]

Yes.

[Tom]

Doesn't have Boris Epstein? That's part of it. I'm sure there's more. But also, don't forget, two out of his three wives have been legal immigrants, right?

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Tom]

The mother to his first three kids and to his last kid, Baron Trump. So, Melania, so what are we talking about with this anti immigrant, anti. Anti foreign born people coming to America, going back to their country. It's a little nativist and it's a little nationalist, and that's fine sometimes, but not the white nationalist perspective. Not down for that. All right.

[Pat]

Hell on wheels killer who plows plowed car into the wall, murdering to wind about handcuffs during arrest. So very weird story here, folks. Okay, so here's a girl. That boyfriend breaks up with her. In a newly released video, Mackenzie Schreila, then 17, appeared more concerned about her jewelry than the fatal crash she caused, which killed her boyfriend, Dominique Russo, and his friend Davin Flanagan, 19. When arrested, Shrilla tearfully asked officers, could you please be careful taking this one off so it doesn't break the bracelet, please? Officers assured her they would handle the handcuffs gently. A year later, she was sentenced to two concurrent 15 year light to life sentences, with judge Nancy Margaret Russo calling her literal hell on wheels, stating this was not reckless driving. This was murder. Security footage revealed Sherela deliberately accelerated her Toyota Camry to 100 miles an hour, veered off the road and crashed into brick warehouse, killing both passengers instantly. The prosecution argued she acted with purpose and intent due to a strained relationship with Russo. Though THC levels in her system exceeded the legal limit, no DUI charges were pursued suit. What's this one here, Rob, what's the clip that you have?

[Rob]

This is her arrest where she complains about the. The handcuffs breaking her wrist bracelet.

[Pat]

Go for it. Step out for me. I'm Detective Huzoo. I'm the one who's been investigating the crash. You're under arrest for aggravated murder times two.

[Rob]

Nobody's gonna ask you any questions. Nobody's gonna bother you. Can I have your key, please? Could you please be careful taking this.

[Vinnie]

One off so it doesn't break the bracelet?

[Pat]

You got it?

[Rob]

You got it?

[Pat]

No.

[Rob]

Thank you.

[Pat]

You got it?

[Tom]

Okay.

[Pat]

No. Who's that? Right on.

[Rob]

This is my parents.

[Vinnie]

Good way to say this.

[Tom]

Progress in Alameda.

[Pat]

Car into a building. Two are deceased in the vehicle. Daughter's driving. Who died? I don't know. Whoever.

[Vinnie]

There's one that we don't know. His name's Jacob.

[Pat]

Does anyone know Jacob Dom? No.

[Tom]

Stop.

[Pat]

Let him talk.

[Tom]

Guys.

[Vinnie]

Oh, man.

[Tom]

I know.

[Vinnie]

We've been dealing with this.

[Pat]

Your daughter's okay.

[Vinnie]

She's talking to us.

[Tom]

I talk to her.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Vinnie]

Your daughter's alive.

[Pat]

Okay?

[Vinnie]

Your daughter's alive. She was driving.

[Pat]

Okay. Who's that?

[Rob]

Jacob and who?

[Pat]

I think. What's the name you Said Dom might be. Oh, my God. Stop.

[Vinnie]

What's his relation to.

[Pat]

Okay, yeah. Then Dom was in the car. Oh, my God.

[Rob]

Are you kidding me?

[Pat]

Count three, murder. The court having had count three try.

[Rob]

To in pursuant to waiver finds the.

[Pat]

Defendant Mackenzie Shirella guilty of murder to.

[Rob]

Win Dominic Russo and violence, violation of HARI section 2903.02B as charged in count three.

[Pat]

Count four, murder.

[Rob]

The court having had count four, try.

[Pat]

To 15 years to life two, two of so 30.

[Vinnie]

She's gonna get 30 years guilty of.

[Rob]

Murder to win Dominic Russo in violation of AARI bias code section 2903.02B as Charlton Town 4.

[Pat]

Okay. County.

[Vinnie]

I, I, I, I think. Listen, it wasn't like she made a mistake, guys. This girl, this is premeditated. She put them in the car and she purposely drove them to murder them. Okay? And she's gonna get to see the light of day at some point. How old is she right now, Robbie? She's 18. High, I'll have to find. Okay. High on marijuana. You know what I'm saying? I don't. Making stupid decisions. I think this is a, it's a deeper angle with, you know, drugs, irresponsibility, lack of consequences. Those kids are gone, those families are freaking ruined, and she's going to be able to see the light of day again. I would have put her life in prison because nobody, everybody wants to say have leniency, but it's not your kids. Your son wasn't in that car. Your daughter wasn't. I mean, that, that, that to me is absolutely ridiculous. She's a murderer. She premeditated it, and she should be punished accordingly.

[Rob]

There is a side of this that I read that it was. The word that I read was fluke. It was a fluke in the way the crash happened, that she was not injured at all and that no one can read inside her mind, but that this was a.

[Pat]

That's the car.

[Vinnie]

That's the car, Tommy. That's the car.

[Rob]

That this was basically a murder suicide. Her intent was that everybody's going together.

[Pat]

Wow.

[Rob]

You know what I mean? And so you look at that and.

[Pat]

You'Re saying, I just text you to the clip if you.

[Vinnie]

And that's the side of the. Obviously where he was sitting. Her side is less damaged. Obviously.

[Rob]

And they said it was a fluke. Yeah, okay, that, I mean, come on. It wasn't like she stopped on the freeway. He got out and got hit by a truck. She deliberately had this horrible crash. And anyway, what I read was that the Speculation was in her mental state, she was depressed, she was angry and she was halfway around.

[Pat]

Halfway.

[Rob]

And it was like a murder suicide.

[Vinnie]

Tom, could that be? And that. Yeah, I know people are asking, how do you know it wasn't. It was a. Yeah, dude. Wow. 100 miles an hour. And that right turn that you were talking about in court. I saw the thing in court. The lawyer was arguing. You see Rob go to that. Can you go to the one before, Robbie? Just right before this happens, Tom, she takes this little turn. She look. Yeah, you can fast forward it, Rob, to where this is her right before taking. Because they died down the street. Look at her take this right turn. Common collected. They're in the car. Everything is good. By the way, it's 5:30 in the morning. And then she accelerates and then she does that. And then she does that because he broke up with her because they were fighting. Okay? Yeah. If that's your kid, if that's your kid in that car, you want her to spend the rest of her life in prison, plain and simple. That's it. I'm sorry, you made a mistake. Now pay the price.

[Tom]

That's. That's tough to watch. I feel for everybody. We showed the parents of her receiving the news. Could you imagine the parents of the two children?

[Vinnie]

I think they actually did, which sucks.

[Tom]

That. Imagine their response to receiving this message. You know, Pat, you say something, taught us something, and I repeat it all the time. Especially when giving advice to young people from, you know, your teenage years to up till 20, the number one goal is don't screw it up. Don't mess it up. Right. Second chapter of your life, make your money. Third chapter, fulfill a purpose. Fourth chapter, give back. Right? So here are two young people that are never even going to get to the second, third, fourth chapter of life. And by the way, her life is obviously ruined. But you know this. Why do you think she did this? She's in love. Her boyfriend did something at 17, 18 years old. You know, I. We've all been in love when we're 17, 18 years old. Youth, this first love, this emotion, it's running wild. You think that everything that life is, it's all happening right now, but when you pan out, you're going to have other relationships, you're going to have other friendships. You know, we say play the long game here. This girl's so caught up in the moment that this whatever minor situation that he did, it, it affected her so much that now she's spending how many years in jail?

[Vinnie]

30.

[Tom]

Okay. And there's two dead people here. So emotions will get the best of you. And this is another exhibit well beyond.

[Rob]

The first point, which was my very mechanical research into it. That's hard to watch. And the sound is horrifying. You know, you've got a situation now with parents that are gonna reflect back and saying, wow, all of our child rearing, all the things we did, all the things we set up, all the examples, we set all the guardrails, if any. And now she's driving while stoned high. We know that because of the THC levels were there exceeding the legal limit. I didn't know there was a legal limit for THC in that state. Actually, you know, I know there's DUIs, but I think that, you know, you got to look back and to the Michigan case with the shooter. Parents gotta take some accountability here and gotta take some accountability. You know, insurance companies, we'll go back to that, are really good at making you pay. If your kids broke a $2,000 window with a baseball in your neighbor's house and your kid's not 18, that insurance company on that $2,000 window with labor and everything, three grand to replace it, their insurance, homeowners insurance company is going to be really good at finding you and asking you to pay for that. Of course they're really good at that. And Michigan got has said, hey, you know what, you're buying guns, you got them in the house, you've got this and you're responsible for deeds your kids. You know, there needs to be parental accountability here and there needs to be accountability for whatever you did, however you raise or whatever happens. Something broke and something wasn't right and she thinks it's okay to be high and driving, number one. Number two, she's in a relationship with somebody. Where were you with the breakup? What do you know about it? How close are you to your kid with what they're going through with their friends? Do you know who's in your circle around your kids? Do you know who's in your kids ears? That's your responsibility as a parent. Kids will hide, kids will have secret friends, kids will do things. But transparency, guardrails, active parenting is all there to prevent it. And those parents were very shocked, as any parents would be getting the news. But the question is, where were you? Where were you and how in your household did she, you know, how was she raised and what was permissible, what was, wasn't? And I think we're entering an era where we really got to look long and hard about parental responsibility in A lot of these things, kids will do dumb things, but they will do less dumb things when raised well.

[Pat]

Yeah, you know when he said, where were you? Where were you? You know what movie that's from? Johnny Cash. Father and son are sitting at the table. I think it's Thanksgiving, and the father's throwing Joaquin Phoenix under the bus for not being there the day his brother died. And you know that whole difficult scene of Johnny Cash, and he's saying, where were you? And finally, Joaquin Phoenix, Johnny Cash flips out and says, where were you? Where were you as a father? And it was a. You just took me there right now, and I got the chills all over my body. No, it's true. But also at the same time, man like you, you have to. You have to realize, you know, when you're younger, your temperament, where you're at, how you can flip out. You know, you're oh, you're oh. Think about your temperament right now and you're older, and then add your Testosterone level at 16, 17, 18, you're trying to figure yourself out. Then add, mom and dad maybe are not living with you. You have, you know, challenges, issues going through. You're trying to kind of figure out friendships being accepted. It's such a delicate, delicate moment where you need every single help possible to shape your kids into the right mindset, whether it's God, whether it's anything. You know, we're having a conversations about with the kids earlier when New Year's, about the key word I talked to them about was being intentional. And then this, this, this week, I talked about on last week's business plan, the three words for 20, 25. One of them was being signal and controlling the noise. If you can learn how to live your life with the noise, you know, noise of people saying things about you. That's. I tell my kids, let's role play. Kids in school say, well, you don't know your daddy's this. What do you say to them? I'm going to punch him in the. No, you can't do that. You say this. What are you gonna tell them? What if they say this and what if they say this and I'm poking them? How are you gonna manage this noise? How are you gonna handle it? And they're getting upset with me. Like, why are you getting upset with me? This is coming around the corner, kid. You're a kid right now. What are you gonna do when you get older and you read stuff? You think we're getting fire right now? You think this is just gonna stay the way it is right now. You think we got a glimpse of it in 2024? What do you think is gonna happen in 2030 when you're 18 years old, when you're 17 years old, when your sister's 14 years old, when Brooklyn is 9 years old? What do you think's gonna happen? What do you think's gonna. We talked about this last week. Was it last week when we talked about the noise that we have to.

[Vinnie]

Last week?

[Pat]

Yeah, I think it was last one when. After the podcast, we talked about what's going to happen with the noise. But, man, parents have to spend that additional time talking to them. Rob, is this the mambra of any. Is this.

[Vinnie]

This is the mother learning that her son is gone after the accident, which I. And again.

[Pat]

And you.

[Vinnie]

And you're nailing it. It's about those conversations which. And we saw the other girl. The actual killers parents, they look like a normal family. They're emotional, they're sad. The smoking marijuana, the lack of this. Like, it takes a certain type of person to have that click to become a murderer. That. That's not just a random thing. This is the mother of her son finding out.

[Rob]

So why is this film. Is this like a body.

[Vinnie]

The body came from a cop.

[Rob]

Got it.

[Pat]

You want.

[Tom]

You want to see this?

[Rob]

Yeah, I don't really want to see it, but I.

[Vinnie]

Two passengers. Like I said, we're Davion.

[Tom]

I don't want to see this. Well, who we believe is dominant.

[Vinnie]

Okay. From what Mackenzie told us. Okay.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Vinnie]

Both Davion and Dominic are deceived. Oh, God, that's. I mean, that. That sucks, Adam. But that's the reality of it. That and that. That's what. Now she has to live with that for the rest of her life. That girl's gonna be in jail, getting paid, getting a taxpayer money to keep her alive, and she's gonna come and see the light of day. They're never gonna get their kids back.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

It's over. I think we have to see stuff like this because that's the sad reality of it. That's the sad part that nobody wants to talk about and see.

[Tom]

What's the worst that the kid, the boyfriend could have possibly done?

[Vinnie]

I don't love you. Well, yeah.

[Tom]

Walk me through the. There's nothing about this girl that I cannot tell. That she's, you know, Charles Manson in a skirt.

[Vinnie]

No.

[Tom]

She's an emotional teenager who's her boyfriend. Maybe flirted with a different girl at 17 years old.

[Vinnie]

Yeah. You murder freaks out. And the Friend, so. And the friend gets it.

[Tom]

It's controlling your emotions. Like Pat said, it's horrible, tragic. I don't want to see this.

[Pat]

Yeah, it's tough. It's. It's tough, to say the least. And the condolences to the families who have to hear with a surprise message on like this. This is why parents ought to be involved with the friends and have conversations. Read a book. Long time ago, it was called thank God It's Monday, Rob, I think we talked about this with Chase Hughes. And you remember it took you a minute to find a book, so don't worry about trying to find a book. He says this guy was a psychologist. He would talk to men who were so happy they were going back to work on Monday to be away from the family. And all the drama. Like, it's kind of like that movie with the remote control. What's the father that? Adam Sandler.

[Vinnie]

Click.

[Pat]

Click. Is this called, like, man, I just want to freaking fast forward this part of it.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, I think it was called Click.

[Pat]

There are certain things in life you can't fast forward. There are certain things in life you cannot match up. There are certain things in things in life. I watch Tom, Vinnie, when I tell you guys this, I watch Tom no matter where we are in the world, no matter what time it is, he always called Bailey, he always called Brooke, checking on their day, telling him he loves them always, no matter where it was, every single time. And look at his girls.

[Vinnie]

Look at the result.

[Pat]

Byproduct of a phenomenal freaking father, that Thomas. Phenomenal father, that Thomas. Yeah. No, no question real quick.

[Tom]

What this thing did to me was, made me realize this. That mom, she ain't getting her kid back. The other parent, she ain't getting her kid back. The two parents, they just lost their daughter. Jail for 30 years. You know, we're talking about all these fires in LA right now. Houses gone. One of our friends here, I don't want to say his name, but from la, you know, I'm talking about C suite executive here. You know, his childhood home burnt down. Burnt down. He showed me the photo and he was just like, yeah, this is it. Calm collective. I go, how are you so calm right now? He's also the guy that walked into the glass. He goes, look, man, it's a house, it's a property. You can replace that. You can't replace family. And that's what this is making. That's why I'm like, I don't want to see this video of the mother crying. These people are going to be able to build their houses. Some things are going to be financially unstable for a while. But that's the real tragedy right there. Losing a kid, losing family right there. Put things in perspective.

[Pat]

Yep, tough to see that. Okay, so next story to go to. Let me see what stories I had at the top that for us to go through that was non addendum related.

[Tom]

Okay, maybe a light hearted story.

[Pat]

Well, let's go. Let's go to this next story. All right, so only 16% of Americans say Disney content is better than it was in the past. All right, 16% Disney content better than it was before. Erasmus and Paul found that only 16% Americans believe Disney's content is better than it was in the past, while 47% say it's worse. 29% believe it has stayed the same. Amongst Republicans, 65% believe percent think Disney's entertainment has gone worse. Revealing what Paul described as profound image crisis for Disney, Disney's 2024 Star wars spinoff Acolyte was canceled after one season despite an estimated cost of close to a quarter of a billion dollars. Oh my God. The series featured a transgender actor. Is this a serious Rob?

[Tom]

I'll have to look.

[Rob]

I didn't hear about the show, but I'll look.

[Pat]

The series featured a transgender actor as well as a coven of seemingly lesbian witches, with showrunner Leslie Headland calling it the gayest Star wars ever. Following backlash, Headland later backtracked somewhat, but the damage was done, making another high profile failure for Disney. Is this, is this a joke? Really?

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Jake. Was that Jake's voice? So, Jake, what do you know about the story here? The gay Star wars ever, huh? Can you pull up, Rob, the picture of it to see what. What this actually looked like? Not even play a clip. So zoom in a little bit. So. So who's Zoom in? Can we see this? That's the poster. So who's the transgender here?

[Vinnie]

That's the secret.

[Pat]

They spent a quarter of a billion dollars for this and they shut it.

[Vinnie]

Down in one season.

[Pat]

Rob, who is this person? The showrunner. Leslie Headland with a Y. Leslie Headland, Head land. Yeah. Is that it?

[Tom]

Yep.

[Pat]

Can we see who she is? Zoom in a little bit. It's American film. Terms of Screenwright dedicated a comedic film to Bachelorette. Sleeping with other people, co creating Russian doll. Earned a two time prime Emine. Outstanding version of a writer, comedy creator, showrunner, Disney Star wars and Acolyte 2021's player. She has written the coast systems calls. Okay, so 4,445 Maryland US spouses. Rebecca Henderson. Oh, so she is a part of the LGBTQ community. And she called this movie the gayest movie ever.

[Tom]

Like, was she saying that as a compliment?

[Pat]

I thought it was a shot. So let's just see. Upon graduating from Headland, spent six years working as an assistant at Miramax. One year which she spent as Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant. So she was Harvey's personal assistant. Her experience during that time is what inspired her 2012 play, the Assistance. Though she claims she was not physically assaulted by Weinstein and did not witness any incidents. Go little lower, Rob, to see what else she has to. Keep going lower. Keep going lower. Keep going lower.

[Rob]

She wasn't his type.

[Pat]

Rotten Tomatoes. The series has an average rating of 78% based on 246 critic reviews. Hollywood podcast, Amazon. Okay. Of course they're going to say, so if there was so good, why did it shut down? Go a little lower again, Rob. Lower. I think let's say headlines. Okay, so now maybe if. Who's this? Rebecca Henderson. Rebecca Henderson. Can you just click on her name right there? Let's see who she is. She's somebody that was in Hollywood as well. Canadian actress. She's known for portrayal of Lizzie on Netflix series Russian Doll. Okay. Henderson was born and raised in Canada. She moved to New York. Got. October 19, it was announced that the couple got it. So go to the quote. Is there a clip of her saying, like, this is the gayest?

[Vinnie]

Yeah, he just said it to Rob in the PBD podcast. Prep Robbie. That's a. That's the. Now I know exactly who she is. This is the video that I saw of them. Tom. Of them, Rob. Interviewing. And they're laughing about how my intuition is.

[Tom]

Is that she's. She's not saying it disparagingly in a.

[Pat]

Way, like, come see it.

[Rob]

Here we go.

[Vinnie]

Oh, yeah, that's it.

[Rob]

Here we go.

[Vinnie]

And we wonder why you're. Your shit fails the way she says.

[Rob]

I want to ask you both because this is, I would say, arguably the gayest Star Wars.

[Pat]

I think by a considerable. It's way too Lord. Audio, please. Can you do that? Yeah. Thank you. Go for it.

[Rob]

I want to ask you both because this is, I would say, arguably the gayest.

[Vinnie]

He's not gay.

[Rob]

By a considerable margin. And are you excited about that?

[Tom]

Are you racing Star Wars? Not that they go, to be honest. Shantae.

[Rob]

Leslie, are you.

[Pat]

How do you feel?

[Tom]

Am I gay? Well, no, I know you are gay.

[Rob]

But I'm asking, are you excited about Putting this. You know, this is gonna be a talking point.

[Pat]

Is it gonna be a talking point? I'm sure so. Because nerds are gay.

[Rob]

Well, some nerds are very not gay and are very threatened by gay stuff. Well, that's true.

[Pat]

But in my world, nerds are gay.

[Rob]

Okay.

[Vinnie]

Oh, fun element of.

[Rob]

No, I don't think so.

[Tom]

And yet people have told me that.

[Pat]

It'S the gayest Star wars.

[Vinnie]

And I frankly, you're bending into it $250 million later.

[Pat]

Star wars is so gay already.

[Rob]

Okay.

[Pat]

I mean, have you seen the fits?

[Rob]

We'd be like, look how gay this is. And then send each other a reference photo. And are you telling me with a.

[Pat]

Straight face that C3PO is straight?

[Rob]

They're a couple.

[Pat]

That's what I think.

[Vinnie]

Oh, my God. And you guys want to wonder why you lost money?

[Pat]

R2D2 is. Is a lesbian. Oh, interesting.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Huh.

[Rob]

Ask baloney.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Vinnie]

Look at. Even the word alkali has like a rainbow. Ish. But.

[Pat]

And.

[Vinnie]

And you would guys, you would.

[Pat]

You would think I was uncomfortable to watch.

[Vinnie]

That's horrible. And they lost.

[Pat]

And.

[Vinnie]

And they keep dumping money into these horrible woke LGBTQ ideas. And guys, by the way, nerds obviously don't like it. And nerds, there's some get. They're not. They don't like. You're poisoning something that. That was meant to entertain and now it's just gone completely lgbtqai plus whatever other letters that they have. And I'm happy to see that these freaking net. They're losing. The studio lost $250 million because of these giggling idiots.

[Rob]

Look, we.

[Pat]

We've been talking, by the way, Disney, Tom, Bob Iger could have given that $250 million, just so you guys know, to Stephen A. Smith.

[Vinnie]

He could have.

[Rob]

That's exactly right.

[Tom]

And way better investment, I'll tell you that much.

[Vinnie]

Well, go ahead.

[Rob]

Tom should have given at least. At least 90 of it. If Stephen A. Is listening, he knows what I mean.

[Vinnie]

Cut. Give him the time.

[Rob]

So what you have on here is you have to remember who greenlit this. Iger greenlit this.

[Vinnie]

Of course he did.

[Rob]

Probably two to three years ago. And what's her name? Kathleen Kennedy. Who is part of that. And so this comes right out of the pre fake shift at Disney because Disney's trying to make a fake shift, right? They're trying to say, oh, it's really not this. It's really not that. They're trying to make this. This fake shift and get people back in the parks and build content. And so Instead this thing comes out, which was greenlit two years ago, and it just shows you, you just saw what a bubble looks like. That is a thought bubble, a creative bubble. You just saw the bubble and it's like, are you three people serious? The one guy is apparently a journalist covering it or a PR guy, but you're looking into that and you're saying, so you people are making the decision. Does it surprise you that that's the movie that came out? If that was the creative people in the room. She's a showrunner. Right? So, exactly. And so it doesn't surprise me. What surprised me is there was actually 16% of Americans that thought the content's better. Right? I, I, that's the, that's the curiosity I have is where are the 16%? Somewhere. Do they, do they all live in, do they all live, just live in West Hollywood? Of course, you know, and this isn't an attack on anybody's lifestyle. My point is if you live in a bubble like that and you're building and you're making content for a more broad based audience says, you know, there's, that's, that's a little over the top with all, what was the joke they were making about, you know, you know, R2D 2R u do me or whatever the name of the robot she was talking about whatever CP3 or whatever the hell oh, CP3O is. They're saying. But are you telling me straight?

[Tom]

Here's the challenge they're having. Pat pointed this out not too long ago. It's who is Disney's customer? Is it kids? Not really. It's the parents because the parents got to take their kids to go watch these movies. The parents got to go take their 12 year old, 10 year old, 5 year old, whatever it is to go watch these movies, to buy these products. So the parents, so who's having kids? Well, more often than not, it's usually a man and a woman having kids. So this isn't anything about anti gay or anti lgbt. It's just understanding your customer. What is it called? Know your customer rules? Isn't that isn't a thing in business.

[Rob]

Know your customer and insurance it is for a fraud. Right?

[Tom]

So, well, this turned out to be a fraud of, of capitalism over here in France. Fraud of basically running a company because Disney stock price has basically pummeled since all these go woke go broke movies came out. You know, speaking of go woke go broke, Disney stock price plummeted since basically 2020 when everyone realized what the hell's happening with all these cancel culture DEI agendas out here. So I remember as a kid growing up, Lion King, freaking Akuna Matata. Are you kidding me? The Little Mermaid. I mean, all the girls like that kind of stuff. Aladdin, kid, awesome movies. What are the movies they make now? What is this? I don't know what it is. So as a parent, I'd have a very hard time being, looking at Disney, being like, yes, we're gonna go. We're gonna go pay money for these movies. We're gonna go spend money, give this company money. Here's the thing. What percentage of America is actually gay or LGBT? 2%, 5%. Whatever it is. But in Hollywood, Hollyweird, what percentage are LGBT? Let's say it's 20. It's probably more. So you have people 20, 30, 40, 50% of Hollywood, 5% LGBT, dictating culture to kids and to parents. So it's a supply and demand issue.

[Pat]

Yeah. And look again. Remember earlier we talked about a person at 37 years old has the kid thinking about buying a house, business, all that other stuff. This is your state. This is your state. This is what they want to do to school. The education, the ideas, the policies. Disney, California, they believe this is the norm. Again, more of a reason to realize what direction things are going. FYI, bad thing about Hollywood and movies is when you make a movie and you say yes to a movie, you can't change your mind for five years. Let's think about it. So right now, Bob Iger is sitting there saying, oh, my God, I got two more years of shitty movies coming out that I got to put up with, that everyone's going to be talking about me, but I can't wait for 2027. You know, if he's even thinking that. But what a bad place to be for a guy like him that he knows there's a couple more bad movies coming out that we don't even know about.

[Vinnie]

I know, it's crazy. You could candle, but you could sit on them and they'll do it. But I mean, it's. It'd be a waste of $250 million.

[Pat]

Yeah, well, let's see what happens. So here we go again. He could have saved that money and just given it to Stephen A. I mean, he needs so better. Hamas expected to release 33 hostages and first phase of emerging deal Israeli officials say. Okay, this is a CNN story. They could have added something to the title, but they did not. But it's okay. So let's go through it. Hamas is expected to release 33 hostages in the first phase of ceasefire deal after being finalized in Doha, as confirmed by senior zero officials. President Joe Biden described the deal as aiming to free the hostages, halt the fighting, provide security to Israel and allow us to significantly search humanitarian assistance to Palestinians who suffer terribly in this war that Hamas started. They have been through hell. Negotiations involved a 42 day ceasefire and stipulate that hostages release may include both living individuals and the bodies of those deceased. With ongoing logistical talks in Doha, key figures and developments and negotiations include Mossad director David Barnia to senior Israel official who stated there is a talk of engagement agreement in the near future. It is impossible to say whether it's a matter of hours or days. Adam.

[Tom]

Well, look, first and foremost, is it ironic that this announcement, when there has not been any movement with hostages in months and months and months under the Biden administration, Do you find it a little ironic this is happening one week until Trump.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Tom]

Takes over office? Because what did Trump say? If these hostages aren't returned by the time I take office, what were the words?

[Rob]

I have it right here.

[Tom]

Hamas, you're gonna have hell to pay. So the people of Gaza have paid a lot, paid a hefty price already. Tom, do you have the quote?

[Vinnie]

Is that the video? Is that the video?

[Tom]

Yes.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Rob]

Last Wednesday, when President elect Trump was.

[Tom]

At Mar a Lago and spoke about the hostages.

[Rob]

Better get done by the inaugural. When you say all hell, all hell.

[Vinnie]

Must be paid if they don't release the hostages.

[Rob]

Well, do I have to define it for you?

[Pat]

Look, all hell will break out if.

[Rob]

Those hostages aren't back. I don't want to hurt your negotiation. If they're not back by the time I get into office, all hell will break out in the Middle east and it will not be good for Hamas and it will not be good, frankly, for anyone.

[Pat]

All hell will break out.

[Rob]

I don't have to say anymore, but that's what it is.

[Tom]

Let me tell you, by the way, disagree with Trump, agree with Trump. He took a stance.

[Vinnie]

That's it.

[Tom]

Joe Biden tried to pander to the Jewish people, try to pander to the Muslim people. And Trump won not only the Jewish vote, he also won the Muslim vote, did he not? Because at least the Muslims, they want peace and prosperity as well, do they not? So a person who is a slave, what does it say in the Bible? Person who, who, if you don't pick a path, basically, you're a slave to two masters. No one could serve two masters. He said this. I'm standing with Israel right Here we know where he stands. By the way, speaking of Hamas, they're the only terrorist group, terrorist group that has worldwide sympathizers. Nobody's marching for isis, nobody's marching for Al Qaeda, nobody's marching for Hezbollah, nobody's marching for Islamic Jihad. It's only Hamas. Ask yourself why.

[Rob]

Go ahead.

[Tom]

You know the answer.

[Rob]

Tom, I think this is a, this is what leadership looks like. Take a look at the way the Democrats campaign. They campaign on feelings, right? We'll step aside from the I'm not Trump. That was the strategy. Be not Trump. But it's all about feelings. You have been deprived by them. You have been discriminated by them. Feelings, feelings, feelings. They. It's all about feelings. And when you get into facts, they don't want to talk about it because they want to create the angry feeling response in the voter. And when you go to negotiate and your tactic to win an election, Joe Biden, was based on feelings. And when the strategies you use are feelings projected by media and the person on the other side goes, that's all you've got is feelings. And they laugh at you. Hamas, they laugh at that. And then a guy with substance who says simple words, I don't need to define that for you. You know, he's talking to, he's talking to Hamas and he's telling them, I don't need to define that for you either. And when leadership that has substance, that knows that reasonable actions are going to follow reasonable conclusions and that statements are not to be doubted because the actions will follow and you're not going to like the consequence. Its decisions have consequences. You have made the decision. I will bring the consequences. And it's action, it's leadership and action that you're seeing out of Trump there. And they're moving not unlike what on Ronald Reagan. Because you know what the best position for America is? The best position for America is when the rest of the world thinks that our guy is decisive and a little crazy. I love that because that is our.

[Pat]

Card now that that our guy and a little crazy. He's got a lot of events he's going to be at the next few days while these things are taking place. The current national Security advisor, Security advisor. Here's a video. Jake Sullivan, before we got started, Jake Sullivan and I think Vinnie, you asked me the question before you played it and I didn't know where you were going with it. Do you mind asking the same question of the audience?

[Vinnie]

Okay. Okay. Wait, what.

[Pat]

Actually, here's what Vinnie said to me. He says, I Want you to watch this and tell me if there's something weird about the delivery of what he says in this, folks. Just watch it. That's what you said to me. And I'm like, what are you saying, Vinnie? In about 10 seconds into it, you're going to say, why did you say that? You didn't have to say that. What's your point of saying that? Are you insinuating something? Are you suggesting something? Just watch this here. Go for it, Rob.

[Rob]

I just will say one last word, which is this is. I hope this is my last time at this podium, at least for a little while. I don't mean that in a negative sense. I mean the only thing that would bring me back is an unexpected event. Event in the next few days, which, as you all know, is totally possible.

[Pat]

Given why would you say that over.

[Rob]

The course of the past years. But if it is, in fact my last time before you, I just want to say thank you for what you guys do every day. Thank you for putting up with me.

[Vinnie]

Why would the National Security Adviser, fully possible say farewell? But go, hey, listen, you might hear from me again if something happens. And I would think since you're. We're. You're the national Security advisor, you have the FBI, we have all these apparatus, you should say, nothing is going to happen because we're secure. He says, because it could quite possibly almost. He's almost as if he's letting us know something is going to happen and you are going to hear from him.

[Rob]

Or I told you so. It's not my fault.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, I don't like. I don't like that at all. I don't. You know what?

[Tom]

The way you're saying it.

[Vinnie]

What do you mean? Actually, what do you say different?

[Tom]

Okay. He gives a briefing. How often?

[Vinnie]

Once a week.

[Tom]

Okay. How much more time is he having this job?

[Vinnie]

No, this might be his last.

[Tom]

Exactly. Okay, so this is literally his last time speaking.

[Vinnie]

Unless.

[Tom]

Unless something crazy happens in a week. So literally. Yeah, literally, it's his last time speaking. Unless something crazy happens. He said, I hope nothing happens. We all hope nothing happens, but as we all know, happens.

[Pat]

No, no, no, no.

[Vinnie]

That's not what he said.

[Pat]

Stay on that. You're right. Everything you said was right up until. Rob, play it. This is the statement I have a problem with. Go right in the middle. Rob, if you don't mind, please press play.

[Rob]

The only thing that would bring me back is an unexpected event.

[Pat]

Pause. Okay. An unexpected event in the next few days. He's right. That's what we're BO now watch your next sentence. This next sentence I'm not comfortable with. Go ahead, Rob.

[Rob]

Which, as you all know is totally possible given everything you've seen over the.

[Pat]

Which is totally possible. Instead, you reassured the American people to say, which is highly unlikely because we have such a great leadership team that's working day and night to make sure all the events leading up to the inauguration is going to be safe and sound. While people come here to celebrate this day, you ensure confidence. You don't make a comment like that. You make a comment like that. You know why you make a comment like that?

[Tom]

Why is that?

[Pat]

What do you make a comment like that for?

[Tom]

Just sort of say, hey, give the writings on the wall.

[Vinnie]

Or, you know, I don't think he.

[Tom]

Has anything to do with the inauguration though.

[Vinnie]

That's not national security.

[Tom]

Yes, he's been thinking about what he's saying is like, hey, under my leadership, under Joe Biden's leadership, yeah, we now have more wars around the world, more chaos than we did four years ago. So as you know, anything could happen in the next five, in the next five days. That's how I'm interpreting.

[Vinnie]

I'm guaranteeing the people watching this and the people that have never heard that, that are completely on 95 are uncomfortable with the National Security Advisor going, hey, because we know how has happened in the past, people get been shot, presidents have been shot. It might happen.

[Tom]

Do I think he should project strength and security? Of course, yeah.

[Vinnie]

Not that.

[Tom]

But I don't think he's doing anything malicious.

[Vinnie]

Well, we'll see.

[Pat]

We have a week left, gang. We have a couple special podcasts that'll go out this week. One will be with Scottie Pippen. We had a two hour plus conversation. I asked him a question. I said, would you rather have a ring that you want outside of Michael Jordan's help or would you rather have gotten paid an additional hundred million dollars? You have to see his answer to that question comes out on Friday. And also with all the homelessness stuff that's going on in California, up to 181,000. I think 24% of homelessness in America out of 770,000 is California. And number one is LA. I brought in somebody who lived on skid row seven years, addicted to all the drugs in the world, heroin. Mom died from heroin. And I wanted to find out exactly what happened in L. A. His podcast, Rob is going out when?

[Rob]

Tomorrow, Wednesday at 9am Which I can't wait.

[Pat]

That's maybe the one I'm very excited about. Because he actually addresses how to fix the homelessness problem that's going on in the state of California. And then we will be back on Thursday. And meantime, if you have anybody that you want us to face them, a guy just send me right now a message because I'm asking about charities to trust, to give money to. And this guy just messaged me right now saying, don't trust anybody. Here's what we're doing. Here's how we're helping. We need help to make sure that money gets to the right people. If you know someone that you. They're going through something, some of them we can only give $1,000, $2,000 to. Some of them we're going to give five, $10,000 to. We have $108,000 that's going to somebody in the next 24 to 48 hours. If you know anybody that's a friend, family member, give us your information, give us their phone number. We'd like to call them to help them out while they're going through these challenging times. God bless, everybody. Take care. Bye.