Old Dominion & Michigan Synagogue Terror Attacks | PBD #759

Summary

PBD Podcast #759 Summary

Episode Title: Old Dominion & Michigan Synagogue Terror Attacks
Date: March 13, 2026
Host: Patrick Bet-David (PBD), with co-hosts Rob, Vinnie, Tom, and guests

Overview

This episode of the PBD Podcast centers on two major acts of domestic terrorism in the US: the Old Dominion ROTC shooting in Virginia and the Temple Israel synagogue attack in West Bloomfield, Michigan. The hosts and guests discuss the events, the backgrounds of those involved, broader themes of radicalization and domestic security, and the role of media, government policy, and community vigilance. The conversation also expands to related national and global issues—economic impacts, the war with Iran, oil prices, NYC tax policies, and even cultural topics like fatherhood, sobriety, and UFC fighter compensation.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Old Dominion ROTC Shooting (00:01–20:00)

• Incident Recap:
  • Perpetrator: Mohammed Baylor Jalo, 36, a naturalized US citizen from Sierra Leone; prior Army and National Guard service.
  • Event: Entered an ROTC classroom, shot Lt. Col. Brandon Shaw (killed), two others injured.
  • Student Response: ROTC cadets subdued and killed Jalo using makeshift weapons before police arrived.
    • [09:43] Announcer: “They basically are able to terminate the threat.”
  • Radicalization: Jalo previously convicted for attempting to provide material support to ISIS, served time, released early, not deported.
• Key Reactions & Analysis:
  • Tom: “The vigilance of people... prevented further deaths... but once again, we knew about this guy.” (11:24–13:01)
  • Vinnie: “If you’re supporting and sending money to ISIS, you are a terrorist. ... You don't recover from terrorists.” (14:31)

2. Michigan Synagogue Terror Attack (33:42–41:45)

• Incident Recap:
  • Perpetrator: Aman Muhammad Ghazali, 41, Lebanese-born, naturalized US citizen, motivated by family killed in Israeli strikes.
  • Event: Drove an explosive-laden vehicle into Temple Israel, opened fire, vehicle caught fire (~140 kids and staff inside), security guard shot him.
  • 30 law enforcement officers hospitalized for smoke inhalation; the bomb did not fully detonate, averting greater disaster.
  • [35:04] Announcer: “Officials say Ghazali drove a truck right through the doors... had a rifle and some sort of explosive device... but before the suspect was able to do more damage, security guards shot him.”
• Broader Implications:
  • Increased antisemitism and terror threats are framed as “a sign of societal decay.” (33:42–34:36, Tom)
  • FBI reluctant to outright call this “domestic terrorism”.
  • “Why can’t the FBI say ‘terrorist act’?” (36:23–38:28, Pat & Vinnie)

3. Broader Threats: Sleeper Cells, Homegrown Radicalization, Institutional Response (41:45–47:27)

• Sleeper Cells:
  • Trump claims: "We know where most of them are... got our eye on all of them.” (41:50–42:37)
  • Hosts question the logic and legality of monitoring known threats without action.
• Systemic Weaknesses:
  • US immigration and border policy under scrutiny; claimed influx of unaccounted-for individuals in recent years.
  • Left-right polarization, apathy, and susceptibility to manipulation by foreign actors (Iran) via social and legacy media.
  • Concerns about homegrown radicalization, including in religious and academic institutions.

4. Iran, War, Global Security, and Media Manipulation (22:46–32:24, 62:00–75:50)

• Iranian Repression:
  • Clips of threats against Iranian protesters, both domestic and diaspora.
    • [27:20] Announcer: “Protesters will be treated as the enemy and shot.”
• Threats to the US:
  • Iranian regime reportedly threatens Iranians worldwide, leveraging fear, surveillance, and retaliatory violence.
  • Media manipulation, including recent AI deepfake controversies (Netanyahu video) and propaganda discussions.
• Oil and Economic Impacts:
  • Oil prices rising due to ship attacks in the Strait of Hormuz; analogy made to “tanker wars” in the 1980s.
  • US strategic reserve depleted (due to prior administration releases), impacting ability to manage oil shocks.
  • [73:51] “Pentagon tells Congress first week of Iran war costs more than $11.3 billion.”

5. New York Politics: Mamdani, Death Taxes, and Demographic Change (44:55–54:36)

• Policy Critiques:
  • NY Assemblyman Zoran Mamdani's proposals to dramatically lower estate tax exemptions and increase rates.
  • Hostility towards policies that are believed to drive out wealthy residents (and thus tax base).
• Notable Quotes:
  • [48:44] Vinnie: “He’s praying to Allah in freaking New York. The worst terrorist attack we’ve ever had, that religion is in there."
  • [49:44] Pat: “We own homes here in Brooklyn... Now he’s taxing us all the time... I have buyer’s remorse.”
• Migration of Wealth:
  • Discussion of ultra-wealthy and corporations leaving NY (and CA) for states like FL and TX, planning for future.

6. Media Distortion, CNN Corrections, and Information Warfare (84:10–91:00)

• CNN’s Erroneous Reporting:
  • Abby Phillips incorrectly claimed bombs thrown in NYC were directed at Mayor Mamdani; required on-air apology.
  • Critique of CNN’s pattern of apologizing for misreporting, “always in one direction," described as propaganda.
• Quote:
  • [85:31] Vinnie: “They could literally have a segment where they’re just doing this [apologizing] for every single lie.”

7. Security Threats: California Drone Warnings, Military Vulnerabilities (91:23–99:41)

• FBI Alerts:
  • FBI warns California law enforcement about potential Iranian drone attacks.
• Expert Analysis:
  • US domestic anti-drone defense is lacking; FAA’s regulatory framework impedes national security readiness.
  • [93:35] Brett Velicovich: “We are extremely vulnerable to domestic drone attacks.”
• Low-Tech vs. High-Tech Threats:
  • Drones offer adversaries cheap, effective avenues for chaos; US currently relies on preemptive intelligence, lacks “Iron Dome”.

8. Societal Themes: Fatherhood, Addiction, and Personal Growth (116:04–124:05)

• Brian Dennehy’s “moment”:
  • The actor’s decision to quit drinking came when his 8-year-old son looked at him with a sense of fear and unpredictability.
  • [117:47] Brian Dennehy: “He was looking at me... with that look that said: ‘What’s he going to do today? How bad will it get today?’"
  • Vinnie and Tom share their own journeys with sobriety, addiction, and the importance of responsibility/role models.

9. MMA/UFC Segment: Fighter Pay and Upcoming Fights (126:21–141:06)

• Ronda Rousey and Gina Carano Fight:
  • Discussion on pay disparities, evolution of UFC, and the role of new promoters like Jake Paul.
  • Rousey: “It used to be that UFC was the best place... now it’s no longer. It’s one of the worst places to go.”
• Industry Dynamics:
  • The emergence of new fighting platforms, fighters prioritizing pay and independence, and Dana White’s evolving role.
  • Reflection on sports-business evolution and the need for organizational change.

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Notable Quotes

On societal vigilance and radicalization

• Tom [11:24]: “You have to keep your head on a swivel, look around, be vigilant and be ready.”
• Elon [16:55]: “There’s radical extremists being fundamentalized in our own country... We are putting our head in the sand.”

On government and institutional failures

• Pat [36:23]: "Why can’t the FBI say that? It bugs me—oh, it was a targeted act... Why can't you just say, terrorist act, domestic terrorism?"

On emigration and tax policy

• Pat [47:27]: “Translate it for people. ... Mom passes away... you find out her home in New York is worth 770, your sister... could move into mom’s house because it’s all paid for. But now someone in the family's gotta come up with $350,000 minimum to give to the state.”

On the impact of war and mistakes

• Vinnie [75:51]: “Tragedy is an understatement... If it’s ours, just come clean, apologize so people move forward. ... Because those are 168 children who have fathers, brothers, uncles. ... What are their attitudes going to be like towards us?”

On media manipulation

• Tom [88:20]: “When you get everything wrong, right continuously in one direction... that is not a mistake, that is intentional.”

On fatherhood and addiction

• Brian Dennehy [117:47]: “He was looking at me with that look—and that look said: ‘What’s he going to do today? How bad will it get today?’”
• Vinnie [121:06]: “May 31st is my three year anniversary. Stop drinking was the number one thing I've ever done in my life.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic/Segment | |------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:01 | Intro, Old Dominion shooting overview | | 09:25 | FBI/media reporting, cadets subdue shooter, in-depth discussion | | 11:24 | Tom—opinions on vigilance, radicalization, system failures | | 33:42 | West Bloomfield, Michigan synagogue attack | | 41:45 | Domestic terrorism, sleeper cells, institutional trust | | 62:00 | Oil prices, tanker wars, strategic reserves discussion | | 75:51 | Iran school strike, responsibility, Congress briefings, casualties | | 84:10 | CNN/Abby Phillips error & apology, media standards | | 91:23 | FBI’s California drone attack warning | | 116:04 | Brian Dennehy on alcoholism, fatherhood, and sobriety discussions | | 126:21 | UFC/Fighter pay, Rousey-Carano fight dynamics | | 133:13 | Security at major events, 85k for the White House UFC event |

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Memorable Moments

• Heroism: ROTC cadets’ rapid, life-saving intervention at Old Dominion.
• Regret & Responsibility: Several segments where panelists urge government/media to “just own up” to tragic errors (esp. after Iranian school missile error).
• Cultural Analogies: The analogy of “America can no longer be the noble, non-interventionist; we’ve crossed that bridge.”
• Humor and Humanity: Brian Dennehy's heartfelt admission about the moment he decided to quit drinking, connected with Vinnie’s and Tom’s stories.
• Media Critique: Extended satire about CNN having to start every segment with an apology/corrections.
• Business Insights: Deep dive into the economics behind tax policy, wealth migration, and fighter compensation.

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Final Thoughts & Tone

Throughout the episode, the hosts are direct, sometimes combative, passionately patriotic, and self-deprecatingly humorous. The tone is urgent regarding national security, openly critical of perceived failures in government and media, and occasionally reflective or personal, especially when discussing family or personal challenges. The podcast is a mix of sharp-edged political/cultural commentary and human moments, often moving swiftly between macro-issues and individual experiences.

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This summary provides a detailed, timestamped roadmap of episode #759 for those who wish to catch the highlights or follow the conversation themes, in the original language and tone of the PBD Podcast.

Transcript

[Pat]

Did you ever think you were made again,

[Rob]

Adam?

[Pat]

What's your point?

[Rob]

The future looks bright.

[Vinnie]

My handshake is better than anything I ever saw.

[Tom]

It's right here.

[Pat]

My son's right about.

[Rob]

I think I've never said this before. All right, so lots going on as usual, I'm wearing my glasses. Just dedicated to a good friend of mine, Mehran asadi. He told me, he says, patrick, I've never seen you look better than when you wear these glasses. He tells me I look 15 years younger. Quick, shout out to mehran. Mehran asadi. Send this to him. He's gonna get a kick out of this. Love his family. I just don't like his taste anyways. All right, so some things to talk about here with the stuff that's going on. Obviously, as much as fun we're having, yesterday wasn't a fun day for a lot of people. There was two terrible incidents that took place in America that is increasing a lot of fear and anxiety and concern for many people wondering what could happen on any given day. We've heard of it at this point. You've watched the clips, you've seen what's going on with old dominion, with west Bloomfield. We'll cover that. Where a shooter came out, Muhammad Baylor jalo, who came out, 36 year old, entered a classroom at an ROTC, you know, started up, you know, shooting up the place. I've never seen this many cops. A couple these clips you saw, there were more cops there, Vinnie said this morning, than 911 yesterday. We're texting each other, Humberto in a group. He's like, I've never seen this many cops. At that moment, I'm watching, saying, why are there so many cops? Nobody understood it. Tom is going to get into it saying this. He was trying to do a Timothy mcveigh type of a thing. And obviously we'll cover that. But one of the best parts of the clip is the cadets that came back. And the lady is interviewing saying, what happened to the shooter? They said he was eliminated. Were their shots fired? No. How was he eliminated? I was like, what did they do to him? These two or three cadets got on top of him, apparently. We'll talk about it. They took him out. And then the other event that we had at West Bloomfield, 41 year old attacker, Aman Muhammad Ghazali, who is from dearborn heights, Michigan. You know, he lived at dearborn heights, Naturalized u. S. Citizen. Bunch of stories with that one that's just disturbing when you see this one. Another one of Those things that was concerning Mamdani decided to sit down, have a prayer in New York City. While he's doing that, one of the guys puts up the sign of isis. If you're familiar with it, we'll show the clip. And at the same time, because all these rich billionaires are leaving because of all these wealthy people are leaving. New York's about to get another run of people leaving because now he's asking about death taxes and he wants to raise it for rich people that if you die, you have to see the numbers they're proposing. Like logically this doesn't make sense. Even poor and middle income families wouldn't vote for the same. We don't want these guys to leave. I want these guys to stay and keep reinvesting the money into the city instead of leaving and give the money to the u. To the government in New York City. It's not like they know how to manage the money. You want me to give you the money? The people that know how to waste it and lose job, that's what you want to do? You are delusional. But that's exactly what Mamdani is doing. We'll cover that. Starbucks and Howard Schultz is leaving Seattle to Miami. Rob, if I'm not mistaken with Starbucks. So some of you guys, if you don't like Starbucks, you can complain in Miami because you'll be down the street here. Yamaha is leaving California. And after being there for I don't know what the number was, 57 years, Rob. 50 plus years that they were in California deciding to leave Newsom. There was a clip of Newsom criticizing Trump. Well, look at the what he's doing. And Papa, Papa, Papa. If there's anybody in America as a politician who has zero moral authority to criticize a president, it's you, Newsom. This is how much moral authority you got. Guy. Good looking guy with well spoken. I'm sure it's fun having dinner with you, talking sports and you know all the other conversations because you can, you can tell he's a biz dev guy, right? You know the way he moves his hands. Vinnie loves the way Noon moves his hands.

[Vinnie]

I don't know what you're talking about, Pat.

[Rob]

But you know what though, Vinnie, I'm just like you.

[Vinnie]

Oh, I'm tell I don't read. Just like you.

[Rob]

Just like you.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, I got a.

[Rob]

And it was a very big award winning book that came out that he collaborated with Vinnie. Rob, if you want to get that, somebody have a picture of that book copy send over to you that we can show in a minute. When it comes down to it. We will. Dear Abby, sweetheart of a girl had to apologize again and I'm sure she loved it as she apologized on what happened. We'll cover that story as well. On top of that I got a couple stories to show you guys about father son relationships we're probably going to get. You know I haven't shown these clips. These guys haven't seen it. Later on today I will show it because some fathers, a lot of us that want to be better fathers every day we wake up failing but we want to do our best. There's not a perfect father and a parent out there. I want to show a couple of these clips and one of them is from Brian Dennehy. You guys remember Brian Dennehy, the actor. If you see his face, Tom knows who he is. And another one is from Billy Bob Thornton. Hopefully we'll get into that. Oh yeah, I know to yeah everybody knows a coach. Phenomenal, phenomenal actor. Some stats for people to know as well. Before we get into it in the market this morning we oil all we saw yesterday is.01 to 100 a barrel this morning I think it's at 92.93ish. Hovering over that. Time just gave us the update. Dow S P, Nasdaq, everything is up a half a point today. Yesterday a trillion dollars of wealth was lost on the market. A lot of people are saying is this going to continue? Is it going to keep going down? Three ships were hit I believe yesterday at straight of Hormuz. One is from Thailand, the other two I don't know what it was but we'll cover that today as we get into the facts. And then aside from that I talked about the cargo ships, I talked about the market, we talked about the shooter, we talked about the total Death toll for us Americans right now is at 11 with four crew members killed in a KC30 135 refueling plane crash in Iraq that just took place. Total death toll of what Iran is reporting is 1444 from the US Israeli strikes since February 28th with 18,551 injured. This is coming from them including ages 8 to 88. And we have to talk about the shooting of that girls school of 167 young girls that will that were killed and couple other staffers. We'll talk about that as well. Devastating news when that happens. Breaks my heart because as a kid living in Iran I remember going to an all boys school and right next to us was an all girl school and you know, you just don't want to hear stories like that. And it's devastating when you hear stories like that. Lebanon Fatalities climbed to 687, I believe. Dubai. A property or hotel was also hit yesterday in Dubai, if I'm not mistaken. Rob, can you correct me on that? I saw one drone hit it, but they were able to get rid of the fire fairly quickly. I don't know if you guys saw that clip or not, Vinnie, with that fact. Check me on that, Rob. And with that being said, we got a bunch of other stories we'll get into, God willing, if we have the time. I think today we do have the time. We may go a little longer today, so stick around with us. Rob, which one is this for sls?

[Tom]

This is Building Rock Stars.

[Rob]

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[Pat]

This is her.

[Announcer]

The. There were students in that room that subdued him and rendered him no longer alive. I don't know how else to say it, but they basically are able to terminate the threat.

[Vinnie]

So he was not shot?

[Announcer]

He was not shot.

[Vinnie]

He shot three people.

[Announcer]

Correct. We have information that he shot three people.

[Rob]

The one that went to Virginia. So he was not shot, but he was killed. Apparently these guys, the cadets killed the guy I think they were stabbing and we'll get into that. Let me first talk about this and then I'm going to come to you guys here. Mohammed, Mohammed Baylor Jalo. Rob, if you can pull up the clip of Muhammad Baylor Jalo. Is this the fellow that used to be in the military if I'm not mistaken, or is that the other one? There's one of them that served if you want to get that picture. 36 year old army and National Guard enter the classroom with Army ROTC members and open fire. He fatally shot ROTC instructor Lt. Col. Brandon Shaw. I want to make sure we recognize the Lieutenant Colonel Brandon Shaw. A Lieutenant Colonel. My life changed my life. He's one of the top five men and that I respect so you don't become a Lieutenant colonel by luck. That's a lot of work to get to per person like that. So may God, may he rest in peace. Our prayers goes out to he and his family. All of those things you see for. For somebody to become like this, that means he positively impacted a lot, a lot of young men and women's lives and he protected us to be able to do if you're free today, it's because of men like him. So I want to make sure we honor him properly. He was fatally shot. ROTC cadets in the room rushed to the gunman and stopped the attack. The cadets subdued him and killed him before the police got there. Died from stab wounds inflicted during the fight. And I can go into a few other things here on how quickly happened, but I'll get right into it. Tom, what do we know about the story and what opinions you have about it?

[Pat]

I have some pretty strong opinions about it. The first strong opinion I have is that the vigilance of the people who refuse to be in that classroom and be victims, who refused to stand by, who jumped up into action, prevented further deaths. And you know, it's very, very gory. It was a stabbing death. But the answer was they used what they had to neutralize the victim. Vinny, that's. You say it like that. Yeah, they used what they had. So my applaud to the people and everywhere in America you got to keep your head on a swivel, look around, be vigilant and be ready. So I have a strong opinion about that. I have an equally and even stronger opinion about the background on this and I and I'll stand down and let other people talk to it is that we knew about this. We knew what this guy, once again, the family knew. Other people knew he was in the justice system. He had been subject to. I'm talking about the assailant, the killer, the now rendered non living guy. He was part of that and he was radicalized. So the two themes I see is he was radicalized and then he ended up in the justice system for things he was doing when radicalized and then released and we didn't do anything about it. And I And here we go again. Here we go. Could have been prevented. It's like when family members have psychotic episodes and people knew about it and didn't do anything. They get their arms, they get their hands on a weapon. Trans dad shoots members of his family. This guy, it just, it disgusts me.

[Rob]

Well, let me read this to you. Jello could have been avoided. Was a former member of the army National Guard national. But let it get to the point here. He received an honorable discharge with a six year commitment ended. A defense lawyer for Jalo wrote in court filing. In July of 2016, the Justice Department announced that Jalo was arrested for attempting to provide material support to the Islamic State. About a month before his arrest, the department said Jalo had traveled to North Carolina and made multiple unsuccessful attempts to obtain firearms. He was taken into custody by FBI agents a day after he bought and test fired a 5.56 millimeter stag arms assault rifle at Northern Virginia gun store. The department said in a news release at the time. Unbeknownst to Jalo, the rifle was rendered inappropriate, inoperable before he left the dealership with the weapon, According to the news release. Jala was arrested the following day and if yeah seized the rifle. Jalo was sentenced to 11 years in prison after five years supervised released in February 2017. He ended up, I think doing five or seven years. I've heard seven. This is five by USA Today. Prosecutors argued at the time that the 20 year sentence, prison sentence for Jello would be appropriate. They wrote in a court filing about his potential sentence that he attempted to help the Islamic State in a host of ways, including providing the group with funds and trying to organize weapon, weapons and personnel. So, Vinnie, when you see something like this, what should have been done with them at the time?

[Vinnie]

I mean, let's just. Again, you're arrested for terrorism. If you're supporting and you're sending money to isis, you are a terrorist. You're not actively shooting or anything, but you're assisting people that are. And apparently the guy that was involved with him that was ISIS was killed.

[Rob]

Okay?

[Vinnie]

And then so a West African from Sierra Leone joins our military, naturalized, whatever all that process is. He's supposed to do 20 years, Rob, OK? Then he's serving time and then the Biden administration releases him early, doesn't deport him to wherever the hell he came from. You let him stay in this country. Guys, I used to drink a lot and I'm recovered and I don't drink anymore. Okay, well, when it comes to stuff like this, you don't recover from terrorists, okay? Just know, just like these pedophiles where they're like, no, they could go back to society, no, you can't. That is a sickness that you cannot just wipe off. You can't just sponge that. And it's the same thing with this guy, Pat. And I'm. And I don't hate to beat this guy, but I have to say it. If your name is Muhammad and you're from that country and your belief, and that's your belief when you swear to serve into our military, first of all, you can't be the president unless you were born in this country, okay? So why should it be with everybody else? And I'm sorry, I guess the Muslim attendance in the military is What? Less than 0.1%. We have a different God. When you swear and you swore to defend this country for enemies foreign and domestic, and you swear, say, so help me God, we don't have the same God. And if you're radicalized that you're freaking representing isis, I'm sorry, they need to change the rules. Because if it's less than 1% and your God isn't the same God that we serve, I'm sorry, you can't serve.

[Rob]

Elon, I want to come to you, but before, I don't want to play this clip. Rob, if you want to pull up the clip about what the FBI said that he screamed at the. Is this it, Rob?

[Announcer]

Go for it was an act of terrorism. I can tell you that we have confirmed reports that prior to him conducting this act of terrorism, he shouted or stated Allah Akbar. And he was formerly a subject of a FBI investigation in material supporting terrorism,

[Rob]

by the way, just so you know. So he screams Allah Akbar. He apparently tried to donate $500 to the. To ISIS. He had no clue the person he was donating to wasn't isis. It was the FBI, and he got caught. So we know what his background is. Allah Akbar. Elon, where are you at with this?

[Tom]

Number one, I agree with you, Tom. I think this is why people lose trust in our institutions. We see someone who should be in prison for a very long time let out very quickly. I think it points to a massive ideological problem in our country. Just stuff that we're not taking seriously. Kind of what Vinnie touched on. There's radical extremists being fundamentalized in our own country. It's happening here. It's not happening overseas. It's happening in our country, and we're not doing anything about it. We're completely distracted from it. There's been over a hundred thousand radical Islamist attacks since 9, 11 worldwide. This is a global ideological issue. We're putting our head in the sand. I work in this space, so I work to try and raise awareness about Christians who are persecuted. This is. There's hundreds of millions of Christians who are persecuted in the world. Nine out of ten of the countries that persecute Christians, the most are Muslim countries with radical Islamists. If you think this is isolated to those countries and it's not coming here, you're mistaken. We have lax borders. We have universities that are fundamentalizing people. And we now have a very disturbing thing happening, which is a unity between this leftist ideology, radical Islamists, and scary. Most scary of all, because I knew that that was happening. For years. But, but what we're seeing now is this horseshoe effect of even the right people on the right coming on board. You have guys like Tucker, who went and spent his time at TP USA lecturing us on Islamophobia, telling us Sharia law isn't so bad. And then you wonder why in our country we have things like this happening. We are putting our head in the sand. We have to listen to the people in our country who tell us to our faces that they want us dead. They're telling us they're doing it out in the open and we're here and we're saying, oh, no, no, they don't really mean it. They mean it. They're showing us they're doing it and

[Rob]

they're telling us, I agree, I, I agree. So why be. If I'm telling you how I feel about, by the way, while, while this is going on, like, we're going to get into the Iran story, but when you see something like this, the temperature right now, as we go to the next story with Michigan, with West Bloomfield, people are a little bit uneasy today. Something weird is going on right now. We were talking about it earlier this morning while we're doing the prep on time is there's a, there's a feeling of, you know, if I go out, the FBI comes out and says, hey, be careful when you're going to the synagogue. You know, be careful to the Jewish community because you know you're being targeted. Right? Then we hear the story about FBI saying, be careful with California because Iran may be doing something, a California attack. So just kind of keep an eye out for that. Everyone's like, wait a minute, is this America?

[Pat]

Sure.

[Rob]

Is. Is this, is this really, is this happening to everybody? So, but at the same time, the challenge with this is there's also people that watch, like for, if you watch our content, let me tell you the profile of the people that watch our content. If you watch our content, 90%, you ready? You're pro family, you're pro faith, you probably have a faith. I'm a Christian myself, openly. But you probably are church going or you have a faith. Number three, you're hard working, maybe you run a business, you have some dreams, you want to do something big, or maybe you're a Fortune 500 CEO. We know a lot of these guys we speak to, they watch the content. You're looking for a reasonable thought, feedback, you know what our positions are, you know where we lie. But we don't have an emotional audience. You know what we have to go do this and retaliate. And these people are evil. Let me go take them out. There's, there's, there's some messages that comes out where emotions are so high, where people are, are these people evil? Let me go take them out. This could be cnn. This could be some mainstream media, this could be some YouTubers, podcast or this could be some streamers. And young kids are watching saying, oh, my God, they're evil. I'm gonna go do what's good and I'm gonna take these evil people out. You're walking around like, is that really the message you want in America? How do you think somebody goes from zero to a hundred, you know, blood boiling, let me go do something. Because these guys are bad people. Is that really how we should approach this? Really? While we know another regime in Iran is flat out. You know what they've been saying this week? They came out this week and they said, I don't want to spend a lot of time on this. I'm going to go to the next story. Iranian government came out and said the Iran's team, men's team is not going to compete in a World cup because we're worried for their safety. No, you're not. No, you're not the safest people. Iranian World cup soccer team is any city in the world except for Tehran, Iran. Any country is safer for them than Iran. They're the least safe if they're in Iran. You're afraid of them going to the World cup because on the international stage, on camera, they may not repeat your national anthem and everyone's going to say, holy. You're embarrassed of what they could do to you. That's what you're worried about. You're not worried about their unsafety. They're going to be safer in New York than they're going to be in Tehran. They're, they're going to be safer in New York than they're going to be in Abadan or Shiraz or Isfahan. They're going to be safer in Miami than they're going to be in any of those other places. You don't think they would like to be here? You think they're proud right now, seeing their own government killing their own people? You're killing your own people. You know what they're saying the last three, four days? Anybody that's saying anything, we're coming for you. If you resist, they're. They're doing curfew, Vinnie. People are coming to stops. They're pulling you over and saying, where are you Going, what are you doing? Who posted this? What pictures do you have on your phone? Let me see your phone. Can you imagine? They're like, let me. Why did you take this picture? Come with us to jail if you like. Imagine like right now, you see a post and you take a screenshot of the post. They're going to look at your phone saying, why'd you take. Why'd you take a screenshot of this? Why did you like this post? Why are you following this person? That's where it's got. There's a video I'll send you here in a minute of an Iranian guy. Matter of fact, I'll send this to you. It's a CNN clip where the lady's talking about it and she's saying flat out, I hope I have this clip. I don't know if I saved it or not. I'll find it for you in a minute to send it to you, Rob, if you see it in my notes. No, you don't have it. I didn't save it.

[Vinnie]

Anyways, it's the one that you showed me.

[Rob]

It's one I found this morning. I'll find it and send it to you guys. Iranians right now are worried because what they're trying to do, the government is trying to say, I dare you. By the way, do you know who else they're threatening? Iranians. Look how bold they've gotten. They're threatening Iranians in the diaspora. They're saying, wait a minute, if you don't even live here, but you're out and you're saying this or defending, we're coming after you as well. They're putting the fear everywhere to see how they're going to react. And you want to sit around and make sure this regime exists. Yeah, let's just keep them there. I think it's a slippery slope when we're seeing how these guys are reacting. I'll come to you.

[Tom]

I have a question for you. I wanted to ask you something.

[Rob]

Go for it.

[Tom]

I'm just wondering where this apathy toward everything you're talking about is coming from. From the international stage, in the international community. If you have insight on that, where it's coming from. Apathy, the absolute apathy toward it.

[Rob]

Well, when you're saying apathy to me, when you break down how everyone fights in a different way. Right. So, for instance, when I ran a business, there were guys who just would go to work. I ran my insurance company. They would go to work, they would prospect, they would build their business, they would develop insurance Agents and they would build an agency and make money, but their head was down. The way they beat their competition was by their head being down and just going and maximizing the comp plan, right? So like in America, you have a tax system. Go maximize the tax system in your favor. Make as much money as you want to protect your family. Then there are those who played to make sure you didn't beat them. So let's just say you're working 80 hours a week. I only want to work 40 hours a week. I don't like the fact that you're beating me. So I would play deception within your team and make sure your clients don't like you, your agents don't like you. And then that was also effective. We had guys like that that didn't. We call them out publicly 247 right now. If you don't have a strong military like we have, if you don't have access to the resources that we have, you have to make sure you divide America. And that's what they're doing. Go look at the power of social media. Go look at what they're doing with streamers. Go look at what they're doing with different podcasters. What do you do with them? Pin them against each other, pay them, you know, have the opportunity to go out there and say, this guy's doing this. There's a lot of that going on right now in America, and we have to be careful with that. The reality of it is it is super, super effective. And a lot of people are falling for it. For the people that are the reasonable people, we all have opinions. I have my own opinions. You have your own beliefs on what you believe in. We all have that. None of us are innocent, that we don't have that. But you have to sit there and ask yourself, you have to sit there and ask yourself, am I being targeted with manipulation? And like a video with Netanyahu went out and Vinny this morning showed it to us. That was an AI video, right?

[Vinnie]

From what I checked on Grok, it was Bibi Netanyahu addressing, I guess they said it was his first address since the war in Iran. And as his hands are moving, by the way it look, I was sold. This was it. Apparently he had six fingers on one on one hand. And so Rob, if you go to Chad, like go to. Go to Grock and ask Grock, say, is this. If you just find the video? Because this is Alec Joneses. Yeah, if you say if you just find the video. Bb, that's not it. Anyways, I Don't want that one right there. Robbie, if you just. Yeah. Go to Grock and say, is this AI? Because I saw six fingers.

[Tom]

But look, it's already circulating all over the Internet.

[Vinnie]

No, but it's.

[Pat]

What?

[Vinnie]

Yes, yes, I am eight. No, Karak is so stupid. Say is a video of BB AI, because, bro, trust me, I watched it.

[Rob]

If.

[Vinnie]

If this is AI, it is ridiculously good.

[Tom]

You have to type it on the actual post, I think as a reply at Grok, is this video real?

[Vinnie]

Thinking about users requests. No, it'll actually do on the right too. It will, yeah, because that'll just have.

[Rob]

Well, while you're doing that, Rob, while you're doing that, by the way, whether it's real or not, anything you're watching, double triple verify the credibility of the videos. We're watching some of these things and we're like, oh, my God. And like, let me go at the bottom. Oh, Grok, this is a. Oh, my God. There's no way this is real. Oh, this is real. So double verify. Rob, I just sent you this clip. This is the one I want you to watch. Look what they're doing in Iran right now, by the way. This is CNN reporting on this. Go for it. This is what this man is saying right now. Go ahead.

[Vinnie]

Has been issued.

[Announcer]

That was just one of many threats

[Vinnie]

in the order for their execution.

[Tom]

Has been issued.

[Announcer]

That was just one of the many threats we have seen in the past few days coming from Iranian officials and state media figures. As the regime faces America and Israel from the sky, it is clearly worried about the threat from within and doing everything it can to ensure that people will not rise up again. The chief of police warned Iranians, essentially saying protesters will be treated as the enemy and shot.

[Rob]

Our team have their fingers on the trigger ready to defend the Islamic revolution and support our people and our homeland.

[Announcer]

We've been hearing from people inside the country. Not only are they under intense US and Israeli bombardment, there's also this increased atmosphere of fear. Checkpoints everywhere, many arrests. Anyone speaking out or sharing photos and videos is accused of collaborating with the enemy. This is a ruthless regime that has always used force to silence Iranians, but this time the threats have become near daily. And they're doing all this so openly and they're threatening Iranians in the diaspora with legal orders to confiscate property to go after them.

[Rob]

And even worse, we will make your mothers mourn you. This message is for you both inside and outside the country.

[Announcer]

With President Donald Trump's mixed messages on this war and where it's all headed. Many Iranians worry that the regime will survive, and at the end of this, they'll be left all alone to deal with the consequences.

[Rob]

Hookman, There you go.

[Vinnie]

If you. If you protest against the regime, we will treat you as the enemy and shoot you dead.

[Rob]

They're already doing.

[Tom]

They did it. I mean, we objectively know that they'll

[Vinnie]

massacre 47 thousands of people. For 47 years, they've been doing it. It's one of the reasons why he's in the United States and why my entire family is here. But I don't think people grasp, bro. People just see this type of stuff and they go by, this is who runs the country. If they know that you're posting something or you're just speaking out, like, dude, that's just saying this in public. Yeah. I don't think our government's doing, you know, they're kind of killing us. They're going to kill you.

[Tom]

I don't.

[Vinnie]

People just don't get it. They don't understand because you've never lived it.

[Rob]

So there's. So there's levels to evil. Right. So you know how the moment you become a world leader, you have to understand you can't do all the things like to be a good Christian or to be a good man of faith. A world leader can't do that.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Rob]

And let me explain what I mean by this. I know some people are like, what are you talking about? So if you're a world leader, if you tell the truth, you will be fired. If you tell the truth, you're not going to get reelected. If you tell the truth, it could cost your people lives. Why? Actually think about the processing of the job of somebody to be at that level. You can't be a regular person.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Rob]

You have to have a side of yours to realize every day they're trying to kill you. Every day, mess is happening. Every day, chaos is happening. Right. So then you're going up against guys like this, guys that are trying to take you out, guys that are trying to do all these evil things. What do you do with that? Are you. Are you going to go out there and just, well, you know what? This is what I think we're going to be doing. No, this is a very, very weird time today. Very, very weird time today. And what's going to be happening? So for me, when you see what's going on with Iran, this is the point I was going to make. So there are those that, let's go through levels of nobility of leaders from the most noble to the least noble. The most noble wants no wars, wants no conflict, wants nothing. Right. Let everybody be their own people. Okay, great. Maybe that model works. If your country was founded on peace and you never attack anybody. Like who? Dubai doesn't attack anybody. They're just a country come make money, leave. Singapore is not known for the Costa Rica. When's the last time you heard about Costa Rica's secret intelligence? You know? Yeah, I say Costa Rica's intelligence is off the charts. No, they have spider monkeys. Costa Rica is a very different type of place.

[Pat]

Norway, Finland, Sweden.

[Rob]

That's right. So their model is what? We don't want any problems. Yeah. This is who we are. Guess what? If you want that model, America lost the ability to ever be that ever again. We kind of have a history of expanding and taking over a lot of different properties and territories. Guess what? Scaramucho was here two days ago. He's like, well, what about America? We took over Mexico and Iran, you know, California and all this stuff. And then Brandon's like, so what, you want to apologize for it? Well, we've been expanding a little too much. You're the beneficiary of the fact that we've expanded so much. Right. Okay, so guess what? America is hated because we've won a little too much. Great. But you want to be a noble one. The next one is we only kill our enemies if they attack us. The next one is we kill our enemies whether they attack us or not. The next one is psyop, Operation Manipulation. Doing all that stuff. What's the most evil thing a country can do?

[Tom]

Kill its own people.

[Rob]

Kill its own people.

[Vinnie]

What is above that?

[Tom]

Nothing.

[Rob]

You're willing to kill your own kids? You're willing to kill your own people? Give me a regime above that. Yes. There's other evils below it, of course, but tell me, what's evil above killing your own people? Yeah, this is the logic when you sit there and talk to some. But you don't understand. They were behind us and these guys were behind us. And that guy was behind us. Who was behind killing? Did they make them kill their own people? Why are you making me do this, honey? You're making me slap you in the face. Kids, why are you making me do this? Hey, Iranians. Why are you making us do this? We have to kill you. Nobody needs to say anything. They're killing their own people and they're saying it on tv. If you do this, we're going to kill you. Let me get to the next story. Here. While this happened at Old Dominion, there was an event also at West Bloomfield. Rob, if you want to pull this up and Ilan, I'm going to come to you first on this one here. Attacker aman Mohammed Ghazali, 41 years old, was a naturalized US citizen, originally born in Lebanon. He lived in Dearborn Heights, Michigan before the attack. The attack occurred at 12:19, March 12, 2026, which I believe it's yesterday. The vehicle caught fire inside the building. A security guard engaged the attacker and shot him. 30 law enforcement officers were hospitalized for smoking inhalation from the fire. Roughly 140 children and staff were inside the synagogue. What happened here, Elon?

[Tom]

Yeah, he rammed the car. Supposedly had a bunch of explosives in the back of his car. He's trying to take out the synagogue. It's pretty scary stuff. I, I always say this, that Jews are a harbinger of things to come when, when Jews are under attack. It's a sign of society and decay. The attacker was a, a Leb, Lebanese, naturalized citizen. Again, same kind of situation came in, obviously with the intent to cause mass damage. It's tragic. And we're seeing a. This is kind of a repeated issue. I always point to this as, this is not. I, I know a lot of people don't feel connected to this because they go, I don't go to synagogue. I'm not a Jew. This doesn't affect me. Jews are the primary target. They're not the last target. They're the first target. And people have to understand this is an American problem. This is not just a Jewish problem. Like I said, there's something wrong and sick in society today. We were talking about it earlier and this is, again, it's just escalating. This is happening. There's been four terrorist attacks in the past, like week in the United States. This is not normal.

[Rob]

It's going to get. Rob, you want to play this clip real quick?

[Vinnie]

I thought this was AI. Yeah, I thought this was a.

[Tom]

This is the one where all the police were, by the way. This is crazy.

[Rob]

Yeah, I've never seen. Have you ever been seen this many cops?

[Vinnie]

At this point? I thought it was AI. Like at this point. At this point I'm like, wait a minute, how many.

[Rob]

This is bomb squad at this Temple Israel Synagogue in West. Go back to the other reporting route from Fox and what do you have there? That's. Go ahead.

[Announcer]

Officials say Gazali drove a truck right through the doors of the Temple Israel synagogue. More than 100 kids were inside, babies to five old children. As the attacker had a rifle and some sort of explosive device that ended up setting the truck on fire inside of the building. But before the suspect was able to do any more damage on site, security guards shot him. Officials say one of those security guards was hit by the truck, knocked unconscious, but is expected to be okay. And around 30 law enforcement officers were hospitalized for smoke inhalation. But officials say there's no doubt.

[Tom]

Can I say one thing about this that's going to p. This pisses me off. I can already guarantee you there's people already looking to play this as some kind of false flag. There's. And nothing anymore can be blamed on the people who actually do things. Jews have become the ultimate distraction for any terrorism, any negative thing that happens in the country. Charlie Kirk's death was a perfect opportunity to look at the hundreds of thousands of leftists who celebrated his death instead and target them and say, there's a problem in our country. Right away became about Jews. You have ISIS attacks in our country. Right away becomes about Jews. Now we have synagogues being attacked. And I can guarantee you it will right away become about some kind of false flag. We will never deal with the problem so long as we are distracted by this modern day obsessive sickness that everything is the Jews. I think it's a big problem.

[Pat]

So, Tom, even our own FBI. I was disappointed to see the FBI says, yeah, this appears to be a targeted act. What do you mean, targeted act? Any assault against any person targets them, whether they're innocent or you didn't like their faith, their color, where they came from, what they said or the way they looked at you. It's like it's a targeted act of violence. Why don't you say this, this vehicle. And this has been confirmed, multiple reports. We got CNN reporting, New York Post reporting, ABC reporting that the vehicle was loaded with explosives that did not detonate. This is Timothy McVeigh in a smaller car. And these people weren't targeting the government. They were targeting a synagogue where people are. But this, they are so fortunate that this didn't go up. This was supposed to go up. When you can see where the car rammed into it and they were inside and the officers were in the corridors there, and they didn't have proper equipment and all the heavy smoke came out. They were treated for smoke inhalation. But, Pat, we are so lucky that there is a bit of amateurishness on the fact that this individual, you know, the way he designed this, it didn't go off because it was set. It was set to be just like a Timothy McVeigh. Can you imagine we would have been looking at the helicopter pictures here of this massive hole in the center, an extreme loss of life in the inside and potential impact on the first responders depending on when it went off. But what gets me is our own FBI can't even say, hey, this, this is a terrorist act. We have been spending the last six years talking about. What is the definition? Vinnie, help me here. I'm not trying to rev you up, but help me. Domestic terrorists. I will defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Domestic.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Pat]

This was a domestic terrorist. Why can't the FBI say that? It bugs me, Pat. Oh, it was a targeted act. Every act of violence is a targeted act. There is a target and there is a perpetrator. I don't get it. Why can't you just say, vinnie, terrorist

[Vinnie]

act, domestic terrorism, just to give some context? Because obviously I was. I was looking at this all night. Rob, I don't think this was completely random. It wasn't just, hey, we're going to go try to kill Jewish people. Apparently investigators saw this guy, posted photos of his family members who were killed in. In when Israel attacked Lebanon. They Israel strike the town of Mashara in the Bea Valley. The strike killed four members of this guy's family, allegedly including his brother and the brother's two children, so his nieces and nephew Ali and Fatima. And I guess that that attack killed 123 people dead. I don't know the details about the attack. So they're saying that this attack was a revenge attack. Obviously, it's still horrible. You're trying to go kill human beings, which there's no freaking excuse. But P. I. I hope people understand, guys, this is where we're going. The stage of war that we're at with Iran. This is going to happen with Israel, with. With all the bombings that we're doing. Because when the enemy can't defeat you on the battlefield, the battlefield, they bring it to you, okay? And what we have to understand is Israel is protected by the Iron Dome. I know, you guys, we're going to talk about the hundreds of missiles that are coming from Heel and all that stuff. The majority of them stop them. But you know what? Israel doesn't have that insider threat, meaning that how many people does Israel let into their country? Less than. I think they're 9.7 million. Israel lets in a very small number of people. You know where the biggest problem is going to be? Right here. And I'm not a fear point guy. I'm just saying, guys, get ready and hold the line because it's going to happen here.

[Rob]

You know why?

[Vinnie]

Because for four years, for four years, Alejandro Mayorkas let in 20 million people and 2 million of them, they have no idea where the hell they are. Okay? So Israel has the Dome and, you know, we're knocking out all the stuff that they can deal with, that's missiles and all that stuff. But Tom, this threat, the threat that we have inside, when people looked in the camera and said, soon you will know my name, that's the new front of the war. And Pat just said it perfectly. This is just the beginning. This isn't going to stop. So whatever we're doing all over the world, I hope people know the consequences, Tom, are going to happen here because the last administration let them in. And I'm going to say this. They did it on purpose. They did it on purpose. Alejandro Mayorkas sat there in front of Congress and said, with that, with that face, no, the border's closed. The border secure. The border's closed. Bs and that guy's walking Scot free.

[Pat]

Vinnie, you use the phrase fear porn. Don't use that phrase and let people clip your words on it. Because you're not. Because it's not fear porn. No, I'm backing you up. I'm backing you up. Our own president said sleeper cell. Our own FBI has said sleeper cell. Our own, you know, state militias and police are using sleeper cell. That's not fear porn. That's messaging coming from our own government.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, but because, Pat, that's, that's the truth of it, right? These people are here. Millions of them are here. So whatever we're doing or whoever our allies are doing, whatever. They can't beat us there, Pat. We're superior. Guess what? They're going to do it. Synagogues, they're going to do shoot up ROTC places, churches, by the way.

[Tom]

And no one talks about the church shootings and church vandalism that happens in the United States or world. There are hundreds of churches that are constantly under direct threat. Nobody. There was a church shot in Kentucky last year. Not that long ago, a guy wearing a keffiya. Leftist. Got no media, no news attention, no one cares. Yeah, it's very weird.

[Rob]

This is what Trump said about sleeper cells. Go ahead, Rob. Years that way.

[Vinnie]

And if they try to hit us back. Have you been briefed about how many Iran sleeper cells there could be inside the US Right now?

[Rob]

I have been. And a lot of people came in through Biden with this stupid open border but we know where most of them are. We've got our eye on all of them.

[Vinnie]

I think if it doesn't.

[Rob]

They came in through the open border policies of sleepy Joe Biden, one of the worst, the worst president in the

[Pat]

history of our country.

[Rob]

And we've got our eyes on all of the them. But the war itself is being prosecuted at a level that nobody's seen before. It's pretty, it's pretty amazing to watch years.

[Vinnie]

How do you process that? He's, he's saying that he know we know where all these sleeper cells are.

[Pat]

Have our eye on them.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, we have our eye on them. Like, how do. If you know that they're sleeper cells and you know that they're terrorists, what are we waiting. Why would you leave them alone? But Madden, like, why, why would you. If you know where these people are, you just have your eye on them.

[Rob]

I don't know the legality of what they need before they can go take him out or arrest them. I don't know what jurisdiction they have to go, whether they can only watch them or, you know, how sometimes it's like, well, we can't go take them out or we can't sue them until we have a site. I don't, I don't know what they have to go do that. But the reality of it is they're here. And Iran, if Iran. Do you think the IRGC relates to the cartel in Mexico? Do you think they have some things in common in the way they are

[Tom]

even Hezbollah, they wait for the smoke

[Pat]

to clear and then their, their horror and their terror when they're unchecked will be on the people.

[Rob]

They can, they can work with them to come up and do things if they're not already inside. They have so many different things that they're on the inside with. I mean, look, the reality, you know how far inside they're in. They're so far inside that they have the mayor of the biggest city in America, Madani, on his knees praying with other ISIS members throwing ISIS signs. Rob, can you pull up the prayer of Manani from New York City doing his prayer with others? Do you have that or did you guys see this clip here with him sitting down with others?

[Pat]

Oh, yes, he's.

[Rob]

He's sitting down, he's doing his prayer. And then from there, you know, he's saying, we're. We're running out of money. I'll wait for Rob to find this. You should have it, Rob.

[Tom]

I have the money. One right here.

[Rob]

Yeah, we'll go to that Afterwards. First, let's go to the prayer rock.

[Pat]

He's right in city hall and they're all sitting on the rug and they're having hummus. They're having like a lunch and a prayer and. And all of a sudden these guys off to the left of the one frame start throwing signs and it's like, wow, what is that?

[Tom]

Democracy pretty much dies through itself in this kind of situation. It's like people voted for this and then they suffer. It's just so disturbing.

[Pat]

Robert it's last 36 hours.

[Vinnie]

Rob Mamdani.

[Pat]

It's.

[Rob]

It's everywhere. Rob. Okay, play the other clip. Rob. I'll find it, send it to you if you want to. Just play the other clip first. This is Mamdani. When it comes down to death, taxes. Watch this. Go ahead.

[Vinnie]

Amidst being in the wealthiest city in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, we already see an exodus of working in middle class New Yorkers. So I don't have a hesitation in asking those who make the most amount of money in the city or the most profits in the city to pay a little bit more so that everyone can actually stay in this city. It's also something not just about justice or the ability for working class people to live here. It is also actually about ensuring that corporations can continue to attract the top talent to this city. Because in a city where childcare costs more than $20,000 a year, I've heard from corporate leaders about how difficult it is for them to attract individuals who

[Rob]

would work at their companies but want

[Vinnie]

to raise a family. Because you could be making $300,000 a year and you will feel that $20,000 a year because of the fact that we have allowed for the absence of affordable child care to become reality here in the city.

[Rob]

Tom amidst.

[Pat]

It's.

[Vinnie]

The first time.

[Tom]

It's the first time you chase.

[Pat]

You chase your tax pays out and what do you expect? You chase all the people out that are paying taxes so that the government can find ways to make maybe subsidized daycare to help workers be available and do something productive that helps everything come together. Instead you stand there and say, well, you know, daycare is 20 grand a year, and even people, 300 grand here, they have trouble making it and you want to take half of it, right?

[Rob]

Can we actually give the exact stats? Rob I just sent you this tweet if you want to pull that up. This is very important for us. It is. This is very important to see the details of what he's doing. So Mamdani has proposed lowering the exemption on death taxes estate tax from 7.1 million down to 750. Okay. He also increased the death tax from 16% to 50% in his in his city. No other jurisdiction in the US confiscates wealth at death from people with that small state, small of an estate. Anyone with any equity in a home, New York City would likely exceed the 750 and have to pay the death tax. There is a federal state estate tax or estate wealth that exceeds $15 million. Individuals however, you can deduct the other state and city estate taxes before paying for the federal state tax. So effectively Mamdani is preventing the federal government from tax on the states. New York City and New York State are taking it first. They're taking it first. The money goes to them first.

[Pat]

Translate it for people. Your mom is a widow. Your dad's been gone for a while, God rest his soul. And your mom passes away. You find out her home in New York is worth 770. Your sister is married with a child. And you say, wouldn't it be great if my sister could move into mom's house because it's all paid for. Yeah. But now someone in the family's got to come up with $350,000 minimum to give to the state of, to give to the city of New York because the house is being taxed. So you know what they do? They sell the house. Your sister, your brother in law and the. And the child. They continue to live in the Bronx until they get a better job outside the city. That's. Let me tell you, that's the story. Do you see what just happened?

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

And I'm just curious, Pat, like all the people that were glazing over this guy, the Andrew Schultz, how would they feel like. Because I remember, I remember the podcast where Andrew and all of them were all excited and he's there and they're like, I'll pay the extra percent. I'll pay the. Now it's going up. It was one, now it's two. Now it's going to three. Now he wants your money when you die. Which that 750 should be going to your kid. He does. He's a horrible job at cleaning up the city. He's letting homeless people die in the streets. He's praying to Allah in freaking New York.

[Rob]

Ok.

[Vinnie]

The worst terrorist attack we've ever had that religion is in there. Praying the Allahu Akbar in there. And nope. What happened? I want to know if they have any of these people have buyer's remorse Nothing is going right.

[Announcer]

Nothing.

[Vinnie]

He's lied about everything. And it drives me crazy, that suicidal empathy. No, no, come, we'll take anybody.

[Rob]

Okay?

[Vinnie]

Show me one thing, right, that he's doing. Every week he's coming in front of the camera going, hey, you know what? I need more money from you rich people, and I just want to know if you guys are cool with it. All the rich people that were clapping and kissing his ass, now what are you doing?

[Pat]

There's buyers remorse. A week ago, we covered the clip for all the people with the megaphone were saying, hey, I own a house here. And I think they were in Brooklyn. We own homes here in Brooklyn. He was going to do this. Now he's taxing us all the time. The guy that was microphone was a. A black man with a whole group of people around him that says, hey, work for these companies and we work here. And they were flipping out. And the news media didn't want to talk about it because he was the wrong color, but he was a citizen. Stating what you're just saying. I have buyer's remorse.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, well, I haven't heard the buyer's remorse because I'm just curious, how much more are they going to tax you? How much more is he going to take from you? So you go on and you say, you know what, Dan, we got duped. I'm very curious because they seem like New York. I'm not hearing nothing from the New Yorkers. I'm not hearing nothing. This is the only video that I saw of the buyers remorse. This guy. That was the dude speech.

[Pat]

And every debate where you engage, we

[Tom]

opened our ears to listen.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

Now today, accept the words echoing from us now. Do your job as mayor and leave our taxes out there. Only two options. You're saying if we don't tax the rich, then I got to increase property taxes?

[Rob]

We are not a pawn in southeast Queens. We are not part of your negotiation tactics.

[Vinnie]

And Elon, Elon, you ready for this?

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

He voted for him. Elon. He's openly saying. Listen to this. He openly said a couple of weeks ago, if you're here illegally and your illegal kids are here, I don't give a damn where the taxpayer. All those people glazing, they're going to pay for your illegal kid. Tell me that's not incentivizing people to get your ass to New York sanctuary city.

[Tom]

Yeah, but this is the great delusion. I don't understand how people didn't expect. This is what I'm confused by. This is like, that's why I said I feel like I'm in the twilight Zone. This plays out in every state throughout all of history. Every time you have someone like this who's in power, it never changes. The end result is the same. Everyone's okay with it as long as they think it's someone else's money who's going to take care of them. In the end of the day, it always comes down to the entire population who has to cover these expenses. And people are just naive. I don't know how people don't learn. Like, how do you not look at California? How do you not look at other parts of the world where these experiments have been done and failed 100 out of 100 times? It's the definition of insanity doing the same thing.

[Rob]

Oh, by the way, what's interesting is even though we got the reports of. Remember when California lost a trillion dollars twice, Right. But they lost the first trillion because of COVID the bad policies. They lost the second trillion because the wealth tax. This right here. Rob, can you do me a favor? Ask Rock. Out of the 123 billionaires in New York City, what is the average age of these billionaires? It's going to be in the late 60s, early 70s. This is not Silicon Valley money. We're maybe in the 30s or 40s. This is going to be 71, 66. It's going to be an age like that. What is the average age?

[Tom]

Many over 70.

[Rob]

Many over 70. Okay, so there's billions hovered around 67. So guess what a 67 year old is thinking about. If you're a billionaire and you're in your late 60s, what do you think is the most important conversation you're having with your family office and your wife and your husband? What do you think you're talking about legacy estate planning?

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Tom]

Protecting your assets.

[Rob]

So, so check this out. So very weird. Of all the people that left California, like the Sergey Brin and all these people that are leaving California and came down here, they're in their 40s, they're in their 50s. New York wealth is in their 70s. So if you're pushing this now, New York is all. They're all coming to Palm beach in the next. You're going to hear the announcement of wealth leaving in New York in a very different way and a different audience. You're going to hear names you don't know. It's billionaires you've never heard of before. That's worth 2.8 billion, 6.8 billion, 3.9 billion. And they're like you touch our estate planning, if this goes through, Vinnie, it's not out of the 123. I don't think it's 5% leaving. If it actually goes through, if it act, guess who's the first person that's saying we got to move in New York of these billionaires, the 123, guess who's telling them you got to move? Dad, the kids.

[Vinnie]

Oh, yeah, because it's like, yo, they're messing with my freaking my future.

[Rob]

Did you understand what happened?

[Pat]

Hey, so the grandkids, grandpa, kids are

[Rob]

going to be like, hey, wait a minute, did you just hear the estate? That's 2.2 billion. He's got four kids. It's a half a billion for each one of us. Guys, we got to make sure dad moves out of the state. You don't think that's going to happen? Oh, man, you don't think that's good? That's the difference between you getting. Give me the number. If it's a two billion dollar family and you got four kids, and the four kids, the father's 75 years old and the four kids know that two billion is going to go to them, how much, how much is it? How much is the cost for each of the kids?

[Pat]

125 million.

[Rob]

Exactly 125 billion. So let me ask you, you're the kid. What are you doing?

[Tom]

Hey, Dad, I want that 125.

[Vinnie]

Florida is awesome right now.

[Pat]

Vinnie, Vinnie. We have to protect ourselves. I mean, we have to protect dad.

[Vinnie]

We gotta get him to floor.

[Rob]

Oh my gosh.

[Vinnie]

It's too cold.

[Rob]

By the way, let me ask, so who else is on the kids teams? Who else is on the team of kids? Who else is saying you gotta leave New York?

[Vinnie]

The wives and the.

[Pat]

No, no, the wives, the family. Office advisors.

[Rob]

Yeah, the investment bankers, the insurance guys. All of these guys are saying, you guys got to get the hell out of here. So this guy that's by himself, look who is around him. The 2.2 billion dollar guy, the 4.8 billion dollar guy, the family, the kids, the advisors all are saying, let's have a meeting. This is happening. If this gets done, recommendation move to Tennessee or move to Miami or move to Palm beach, but you have to leave the state. Don't you think that. And by the way, guess who else is thinking about this right now. If this is real, guess who else is sitting there saying, what are we going to do? You know who else? You don't think David Solomon is paying attention to this? You don't think Jamie Dimon is sitting there in their offices coaching and challenging their advisors on how to talk to their clients. You don't think the boardroom of all these firms that are managing money, that have $8.3 trillion of money under management, $2.8 trillion of money under management? You don't think these guys are saying, hey, we have to advise our clients to leave because those guys don't have money that they get for five, 10 years. When they get family money, they're getting that family money for 20, 30, 40, 50 years. And it's blocks of money. So if I'm running Goldman or if I'm running Morgan Stanley or Merrill or if I'm running any of these big firms, I'm sitting there today, I'm talking to my analyst, and guess what? I'm asking him, guys, can you run a report of the $8.3 trillion of wealth that we have? How much of it is concentrated in New York City? Boss, we just ran it. It's right around $320 billion of wealth that we have in New York City. We need to have a meeting, a family office meeting, emergency meeting with all our clients in New York City and let them know exactly what the results are going to be with recommendation. If I'm running one of these banks, I'm hosting a meeting at a nice property in Gurney, in whatever you want to call it. And they'll come in, private meeting. And I'm going to say, guys, if you're wondering, you've already talked to your tax people, you've already talked to your estate planners. Here's what's going on. We brought an economist, we brought a cpa, we brought our team. That's this. We brought our chief information officer, we brought our chief investment officer. Here's what you're going to be looking at. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom solution. A lot of you guys are probably wondering, these are seven things that our clients are doing right now that we're recommending them to consider. One move here to get this, three. You don't think they're having that conversation?

[Pat]

They are. You know what the funny punchline is?

[Rob]

What's that?

[Pat]

Wells Fargo says, vinnie, you need to be there. Because us, us here at Wells Fargo Ultra High Net Worth Advisors are going to hold a meeting. And you say in Napa as usual? No, no, no. We're in Palm beach now. We moved. In the spring of 2026, Wells Fargo moved all of our wealth guys to Palm Beach. So come on down. We're on Worth Avenue It'll be great. That's where we're meeting. Why do you think they moved, by the way?

[Rob]

Just visually, folks. If you're watching this visually, what I just presented to do, how believable is it that each of those meetings are being had with these billionaires in New York City?

[Tom]

It. Yeah. My question is, though, historically, when we look at, let's say, extreme taxation, right, when we went above 90%, what happened is all the real billionaires, all the people who have the access to amazing financial advisors, were able to find loopholes and protect their assets. In the end of the day, it affected people who have, like a million dollars who are hoping to leave this to their kids. That's who ended up paying the consequences.

[Rob]

New York City's about to lose a trillion dollars. New York City's about to lose a trillion dollars. And by the way, let's play a game. Let's play a game, folks. Run a poll. Rob, how long until we get news reporting that a trillion dollars of wealth has left New York City? Okay, run a poll. 30 to 90 days. You know, 90 to 180 days. 180 days to a year. It won't happen. Okay, 30 to 90 days. 90 to 180. So I'm saying a month to three months. Three to six months. Six to 12 months. It won't happen. Run a poll. I'm curious what the audience is going to say. Watch in the next 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 months. If this passes, by the way.

[Tom]

Okay, if this becomes passing, or from today is the poll.

[Rob]

If this path from the date passes, by the way. And remember, it's not even if it passes. Let me change it. I don't even think it's from the date passes. When they started Talking about the 5% wealth tax in California. It hasn't passed before.

[Tom]

It passed.

[Rob]

It hasn't. They're like, no, no, no, we're out. Okay, let me see what the poll is saying, Rob. So so far, 700 votes. 32%. 30 to 90. 90 to 180 was what? So 65% of the audience is thinking, within the next 180, we're going to see that 12% thinks it won't happen. Those 12% live in New York City, by the way, the people that are watching.

[Pat]

So that means 88%. Pat, this will be six months.

[Rob]

Huh?

[Pat]

88% is six months or less.

[Rob]

88. No, 88%. One year or less is one year or less is what they think. All right, let's get to the next story. Mandani here praying it's a dinner he's having. Rob, if you want to play this clip of him having dinner, okay? And then the gentleman at the end that holds that one finger up. Go ahead, Rob, make some of that.

[Vinnie]

So moment where you're asking yourself how

[Rob]

you can reconnect to

[Tom]

growing up with being taught that. Yeah, that's.

[Rob]

That. That's the ISIS sign.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

He's not saying he's number one, everybody. That right there is the ISIS sign right in your effing face. That is such a spit in the face to every single New Yorker. And it boggles my mind how they're not out of their minds furious at what the hell is going on in New York. It's insane, bro. Taking over Times Square and doing this. I'm telling you.

[Tom]

Have you guys not seen the videos of the guys, like you said, being interviewed and saying, we are taking over the city?

[Pat]

No.

[Vinnie]

In your 100. Like, we're taking over your city. What are you gonna do about it? What are you gonna do about it, bro? Do you understand the suicidal empathy of the guy that was on the. On the bullhorn? He's on the bullhorn saying, the white guy with the glasses, new York is for everybody. And come here. And the terrorist kid used him as a catapult to throw a freaking nail bomb. Do you understand the hilarity of that situation? Like how stupid you look? You're there saying, new York is welcome to.

[Rob]

Texted you something. Can you show that up? Watch this.

[Vinnie]

And they use him to throw a bomb over him.

[Rob]

So two pictures. I want to show you one. If he can show the other bomber. Look at this. Look what sign he's putting up. Look what the other guy was putting up. You know who that guy is, by the way?

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Rob]

Okay, go to the other one. Boom. So that's that. You know who else did this back in the days in France before he went back to Iran? A guy named Khomeini. Watch this. This is Khomeini in Paris sitting down, doing his thing. That's Mamdani on the bottom. In your face.

[Vinnie]

Bingo.

[Rob]

In New York City. In New York City, they're doing that. Go ahead and do something about that. That's what's going on in America right now. Anyways, let me get to the next story here. Oil prices. Tom, I'm coming to you with this one here. Tom, what do we know right now about oil prices? I know yesterday went to above 100. Today it dropped to. I don't know what it is right now. 91, 92, 93. It's a lot of ups, It's a lot of downs. Yesterday, three ships were hit, I believe, in Strait of Hormuz. Rob, if you can pull that up. Of the three ships that were hit in Strait of Hormuz, what do we know about oil prices right now and what's going to happen the next week? Two weeks?

[Pat]

So we're going on sentiment. Good news, bad news. Good news, bad news. Dad comes home drunk, dad comes home, eats dinner and falls asleep on the couch. Those two different things are happening. And I hate to put it that way, but we are living in this world of daily perception driving the markets. Perceptions always drive the markets. I know all the comments are going to come in, but these are just absolutely, to use a word, radicalized perceptions. Oil right now, West Texas Intermediate, $94. Staying under, staying under, 100 a barrel. West Texas, I think Brent is another dollar. So we're 90. Depending on where you are in the market, you're 92 to 95. Oh, yeah, 93.10 on crude oil futures. Generally, the markets right now, The Dow is up 205 green. S&P 500 is up 27 green. Nasdaq is up 91 green. And they're all.04 to 0.5. So almost half a percent up today. So the market, the stocks are back up a half percent. All those indexes yesterday were down like 1.2. All the news media is talking about Armageddon. Armageddon. I'm like, look at the indexes. If you add it all up, you know, you get, you know, great macro numbers that make huge headlines. A trillion dollars lost yesterday. No, it's not. Is a trillion dollars change in value. And then you come back today and a half a percent is back up after down 1.26 yesterday. What's interesting is, Rob, I sent you a, I sent you a graph. I texted it to you. That guy right there. You know what this is, Pat? This is very interesting. This is the middle of the tanker wars. Look at the, look at the date down below. This is the Iran and Iraq tanker wars in the, in the Hormuz, the straits of Hormuz back in 1987. In July of 1987, a U. S Ship hit a mine, blew a hole in the side of it. All these things happen. And the standard and poor S P500 is the blue line. Look what happened. Go straight down and look at the trend that was going up. So the WTI oil back then, ten twelve dollars a barrel, remember 1987, folks, you got to multiply that times like six. Right now it's going up and then the ship gets hit and it goes down. We've seen this before. This was the tanker wars. They were known as the tanker wars between Iran and Iraq, as the conflict between them spilled over into the straits. And guess what they needed Navy escorts. Does this sound familiar? For this. So that's what's happening on oil historically. This is the way it works. Perceptions and uncertainty. Right now, oil is right there. Part of the thing that bugs me in a capitalistic environment, you can charge anything for anything and you can change your prices and you can make surge prices. It's kind of disappointed me that the service stations and the gasoline in America, they've pre reacted because their supplies have not gone up in price yet.

[Rob]

That's right. Only 2% of the oil that comes in comes outside of the state. So these guys are just propping up the prices because they can.

[Tom]

Yeah, that's it.

[Pat]

They can get away with it. Chevron on the side, but that may be independently owned, like a franchisee. And that's the part that bugs me. I mean, come on, let's be good to each other. You can make a buck, you can do all that. But there's a time where I think that there's compassion in our capitalism. And that part of the now, if you're in California, you've got two bucks a gallon on taxes in there. You know, I have no sympathy for you. That's kind of who you voted for is doing that. But that's what's happening with oil.

[Rob]

Yeah, big difference in the tanker. The war that happened back in the days, 84 to 88, what was it? 451 ships, 300 hit, 300 civilians killed. 25% of oil exports leaving Hormuz was shut down.

[Pat]

Correct.

[Rob]

You know, us came in and they said, we're going to ensure you guys insurance rates went up 400%. And by the way, if you look up, they escorted.

[Tom]

It was called Operation Earnest Will, I think is what it's called. It was like an actual operation to make sure that the tankers, they call

[Rob]

that the worst event that ever happened at straight of Hormuz. Worse. And they're not even putting this at that level yet. But Rob, you have a couple clips if you want to go through. Which one do you want to go first? You want to go through what Scott Besson had to say? Go for it, Go for it. My belief that as soon as it is militarily possible, the US Navy and Perhaps with an international coalition will be escorting vessels through.

[Vinnie]

And that came up just now in this situation.

[Rob]

Your words, not mine.

[Vinnie]

But, but again

[Rob]

we'll. So we've been planning for this, we've done scenario analysis for months, for weeks leading into this.

[Vinnie]

But it's a prospect in the coming

[Rob]

days then it is a prospect as

[Vinnie]

soon as we have complete control of the skies and are degrading. They have no air force, the navy is sunk, literally and figuratively and the

[Rob]

munitions factories, the rebuilding capabilities for the missiles, the completely degraded.

[Vinnie]

So as soon as it is possible

[Rob]

for safe patch to ensure safe passage, we will do it. Yeah, while he's saying that, you know we got. What did President Trump say? They're releasing 400 million. Is this it, Rob? 400 million barrels? Go ahead. I'm pleased to report that earlier today

[Pat]

the International Energy Agency agreed to coordinate

[Rob]

the release of a record 400 million

[Pat]

barrels of oil from various national petroleum

[Vinnie]

reserves around the world, which will substantially

[Pat]

reduce the oil prices as we end

[Rob]

this threat to America and this threat to the world.

[Vinnie]

We don't want to leave early, do we?

[Rob]

We got to finish the job, right?

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[Rob]

We got to finish the job. So last night I believe he said he's released this just got in. Is it this morning or last night? Lifting sanctions on Russian oil.

[Tom]

I saw it late, late last night, like 11:30.

[Rob]

This is late, late last night. Go ahead, Rob.

[Vinnie]

Global supply of oil is getting squeezed

[Tom]

at the Strait of Hormuz and officials

[Vinnie]

here have to look elsewhere in the

[Rob]

world for some oil and they have found it on some tankers that are

[Tom]

full of sanctioned Russian oil.

[Rob]

It is sanctioned of course, because Russia

[Tom]

will not stop the war in Ukraine.

[Rob]

So the Treasury Secretary, Scott Bessen is

[Pat]

saying this POTUS is taking decisive steps

[Vinnie]

to promote stability in global markets and working to keep prices low as we address the threat and instability posed by

[Rob]

the terrorist Iranian regime.

[Pat]

To increase the global reach of existing

[Rob]

supply, US treasury is providing a temporary authorization to permit countries to purchase Russian

[Tom]

oil currently stranded at sea.

[Rob]

This narrowly tailored short term measure applies

[Vinnie]

only to oil already in transit and

[Rob]

will not provide significant financial benefit to the Russian Government. There's two other levers that they are going to pull.

[Vinnie]

They might waive the Jones act, which says that only U.S. flagged ships can

[Rob]

go from U.S. port to U.S. port. And they do plan to tap the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Now, while this is happening, a couple things. Oman oil facility on fire after drone strikes. This is it. Rob, I think you got right. Is that it? Those are loud drones.

[Vinnie]

Boom.

[Rob]

Show it.

[Tom]

Not like a suicide unmanned shed, whatever they're called.

[Rob]

So that's that the Shahad.

[Tom]

Shahad, yeah, yeah.

[Rob]

So that those are the drones that they make for 20, $30,000. Super loud. You know, when it's coming, it's not like it's hidden, it's not, you know, stealth. You know, it's coming at you. And then Iran threatened Trump and said, we're going to do everything in our power to raise oil prices to $200. That's what they said. I don't know if you have that clip or if it's a clip or, or I do.

[Pat]

It's in English too.

[Rob]

Go for it. There it is. Go for it. It is expected that the governments of Muslim countries will swiftly warn the criminal

[Tom]

United States savage Zionist regime against such cowardly anti human actions so that the

[Rob]

flames of fire do not spread further similar actions will occur in the region. And if you can tolerate oil prices

[Tom]

above $200 per barrel, continue this game.

[Rob]

There you go.

[Tom]

Guy is getting crazy.

[Rob]

Yeah, Tom.

[Pat]

So one of the things we want to look at, they're talking about the strategic oil reserves. Rob, I just sent you the chart. If you could pop it up. And I just sent you the link literally 30 seconds ago. There you go. Click on five years, please. Can you spot the moment that Joe Biden started emptying the SPR for the sake of US Gas prices? See if you can spot the moment right now. Go look at one year. And this is. Trump has been trying to refill it. So we have been trying to refill it and we are going to be refilling it partially with some Venezuelan oil. Remember when Pat, Remember when he said and they owe us some oil from infrastructure and stuff. And so it's not going to go to the US refineries like Chevron and Exxon and people that were cooperating and helping us with Venezuela. It was going to come back to us. There it is. So now go back to five years. So basically we're sitting here, you know, 50% down on the SPR from where it was. It was well over 600 million barrels and so down 50% because Joe Biden was trying to run into the election and to get a hold of inflation and get the price of gasoline down. That's what's going on. And so now the world, this is where, when we have this, this weapon, can you imagine if Trump had the full 600 million barrels? Pat, don't worry about it. I got you covered. This is what the strategic reserve is all about. He would be controlling energy prices for everybody. Something I said on Wednesday, I'll say again today, we are so lucky it's springtime because if this is protracted, the people that get hit hardest by energy prices in the United States is the Northeast because of heating oil. It's very expensive to heat your house in the winter, your home in the Northeast, and they use heating oil. Thank goodness spring is around the corner as this goes out. But there you have it. For everybody that looked at the manipulation of the Biden campaign and by the way, certain economists were talking about it, but the largely the mainstream media, Pat, was silent on this, on how it was being what was supposed to be a strategic emergency and resource of oil was being used to artificially bring down gas prices during time of peace because they were worried about the 24 election.

[Rob]

Yeah. Now, are you surprised? I'm not surprised that this has happened and this is what they're doing. So we'll see what he's going to do because he's saying he's going to be tapping into it. Like you said earlier. Pentagon tells Congress first week of Iran war costs more than $11.3 billion. That's what the war ended up costing. Based on what? Pentagon just informed Congress. Rob, do you have a clip on that?

[Pat]

I do.

[Rob]

Go for it.

[Tom]

The attacks on Iran, including shipping, traffic

[Rob]

and energy infrastructure have pushed oil above $100 a barrel. Today, Iran says that could actually hit $200 a barrel if the war continues overnight.

[Tom]

We found out that the Pentagon told

[Rob]

Congress the first six days of the war have cost the US $11.3 billion. Again, that's just the first six days of the war.

[Pat]

Today is day 13.

[Rob]

So with that in mind, we're joined by. Okay, so that's that with 11.3 billion. Another report comes in. Vinny, I'm going to come to you with this one for us to process. New York Times as a story. US at fault in strike on school in Iran. Preliminary inquiry says that came in. You got, you know, we've been following this closely. A lot of different things have been said. The president and Pete Hex said were asked about it and they said, we don't know. My opinion is Iran was behind this. And then Pete Hex that said we're looking into it, but I think there's a clip that you have. An ongoing military investigation has determined that the United States is responsible for deadly Tomahawk missile strike on an Iranian elementary school. According to US officials and others familiar with the preliminary findings, the February 20 strike on Shajara Toya Bay elementary school building was the result of a targeting mistake by the US Military which was conducted strike conducting strikes on an adjacent Iranian base of which the school building was formerly a part of. The preliminary investigation found Officers at the U.S. central Command created the target coordinate coordinates for the strike using outdated data provided by the Defense Intelligence Agency. The DIA people briefed on the investigation said. Officials emphasize that the findings are preliminary and that there are important unanswered questions about why the outdated information had not been double checked. Striking a school full of children is sure to be recorded as one of the most devastating single military errors in recent decades. Iranian officials have said the death toll was at. 175 people, most of them children. Vinnie.

[Vinnie]

I mean, tragedy is, is, is an understatement for, for what happened. I know people say, you know, casualties of war, and I understand that part. My thing is, we know as a military member, Pat, especially being Air Force, I know you were Army. Mike's here, you know, Navy. What were you, Mike? Navy. Guess what? Every single munition, every bomb, every missile is accounted for. If it's ours, if it's the United States munitions, we know exactly where it is and we know what happened. If the case is that it was us, just come clean, apologize so people move forward. Because you know What? Those are 168 children who has fathers, who have brothers, who have uncles, who have cousins. What are their attitudes going to be like towards us? Think about, think about that. And where are they? Are some of them here? Are some of them sitting around waiting to do something? This is a very, very bad look. If it is, nobody's still giving us a solid answer. But if it is us, I want them to come clean and let everybody know what happened and at least admit to the fault. Because this whole, well, we don't know, might have been them and they initially blamed them. Right off the bat they're like, it was Iran, which it looks like to me now it's not. But I think that you have to come clean with something like this. I get it. It's a horrible, horrible thing that happened when innocent lives are, are taken are killed. And you have to admit it. At least admit the fault and move on. That's why I don't like this, Pat, this waiting around. And you know what's going on.

[Rob]

Let me tell you, you're right. And Caroline Levitt said the President Trump said this. He first denies it. If you have the other one, he's still go for it.

[Announcer]

Rob shows a new report says that the military investigation has found that the United States struck his school in Iran. As commander in chief, do you take responsibility for that?

[Pat]

That is what.

[Announcer]

As commander in chief, do you.

[Vinnie]

For what?

[Announcer]

For the strike on the school in Iran. A new report says the military investigation has found it was the United States that struck the school.

[Rob]

I don't know about. Go to what Caroline Levitt had to say. Here's what Caroline Levitt had to say about it.

[Vinnie]

On the Iranian school. Why did President Trump say yesterday that Iran may have Tomahawk missiles when there are only three, three other US Allies, plus the US that have those missiles

[Announcer]

and therefore could look again? As the president said yesterday, he will accept the conclusion of this investigation by the Department of War. I know there's been a lot of speculation in the media about who may be responsible for this. We're not going to get ahead of the Department of War and the conclusion of that investigation. The president has a right to share his opinions with the American public. But he has said he'll accept the conclusion.

[Rob]

You can pause it right there. This is what's going on. Senator Joe Kennedy had to say from. I think he's from Louisiana, if I'm not mistaken. Go for it, though.

[Announcer]

You actually talked to NBC News last night about that strike on the girls school and you said it was terrible. We made a mistake. I'm just so sorry that it happened. Why did you feel like it was important to say that?

[Pat]

Because I think it's the truth.

[Vinnie]

I mean, we're investigating, but I'm not going to hide behind that. I think. I think it was a terrible, terrible mistake.

[Rob]

The investigation may prove me wrong.

[Vinnie]

I hope so.

[Pat]

The kids are still dead.

[Vinnie]

But I think it was a horrible, horrible mistake.

[Pat]

I wish it hadn't happened.

[Rob]

I'm sorry it happened. Yeah.

[Vinnie]

I can assure you it wasn't intentional. That's not.

[Rob]

That's the sort of thing Russia does.

[Vinnie]

We don't do that. But, you know, I, I don't see any other possible explanation. And when you make a mistake, you ought to admit it. Most people understand.

[Rob]

No one's perfect.

[Vinnie]

But I don't think our, our men

[Rob]

and Women who are fighting for us did it intentionally.

[Vinnie]

I'll never believe that.

[Announcer]

Fair enough. So, speaking of the men who.

[Vinnie]

I think that's, that's how you do

[Tom]

it, but I think that's the most important thing. To draw a distinction between intentional targeting of civilians and an absolute tragedy that happened due to error. Own it. Because we do have to own it. It did happen. The reality is here, people say war is ugly. War is not ugly just because people are fighting each other. War is ugly because the longer a war goes on for, the more margin for human error there is, and the more this kind of thing will happen, and the longer this war goes on, the more likelihood that some other mishap will eventually happen again. It's just the tragedy of war. I think that's the right approach. Like you said, Vinnie, it's, it's a tragedy regardless of where the missile came from, whether it came from Iran, Israel, the United States. It doesn't matter. Children are dead. Nobody likes seeing that. And it's exactly what we have to avoid. But we do have to own it. We do have to understand that intention is everything.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, Yeah. I, I, I, by the way, the way that he said it, the way that he manned up and he said it, that's how you do it. Take responsibility. He said the Department of War. So in that sense, Pete Heckseth should come out and say, hey, listen, we made a mistake. God rests all their souls. We made a mistake. Because, mind you, that happened, what, week one?

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

How many days in?

[Rob]

We're.

[Vinnie]

We're the superpower, the most intelligent for our intelligence community and the Israeli intelligence community, forget it. They're the best. How do you make that mistake that quick? And then you, you're kind of backtrack and blaming them. I understand it's a tactic of war, but now, but you got to come clean and say if it was so

[Rob]

was a military base, that it was a previously a military base that they had to. They turn into a school. And the dni, Department of National Intelligence, didn't update the fact that it's now a school with kids in it, and they shot that place down. Assuming it's a military place.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Rob]

So then that's the part where you have to sit there and wonder how, how recent did that change? When did that happen? Why were they not updated? Who dropped the ball here? Who was the individual that didn't give the proper information? Was it a US Intel? Was it a report they gave to us from Mossad? Who was some. Somebody dropped the ball and, and why

[Tom]

are you converting a military base into a school? Military bases will always be targets.

[Rob]

Yeah, military bases. And, and that's, that's the argument on the other side. Military bases will always be military bases. They'll always be targets. But listen, it's still a valid conversation to have to address this. At the end of the day, if you think about war, what is the one thing you never ever want to happen in war?

[Vinnie]

Innocent children.

[Tom]

Yes.

[Rob]

Children never want that. This is horrible. Devastating that something like this happened and, you know, hopefully they'll come out. And the way that Kennedy did it, you could tell he was in pain when he was doing it. That wasn't a comfortable moment for him. But he stood up, he did it and he moved on.

[Vinnie]

I looked it up while you were doing it. They're saying that the visible satellite since apparently since 2018, it's been converted since 2019.

[Tom]

That's a long time.

[Pat]

There's a hacking story here and that, you know, some years ago, back when the Maimon still use them, remember tapes, the tapes that were secret and the CIA would send or the Department of War would send the tapes, they were opened in specific envelopes in specific way and then those tapes were loaded onto cruises. Right. And then there was this whole thing about Pat, you know, about bad guys switching the tapes so that the target coordinates that are on these tapes, because sometimes the military, the guys arming the bombs, don't know where the Tomahawks are specifically going. You're there to set set coordinates and you don't know what those coordinates are. Boom. And off they go. They launch from the ship and then they go to the targets that have been set. And so now we're living in this digital world where, you know, a change of address form doesn't get filled out and we hit a school. Yeah, number one. But number two, now you also have the long term hacking of, you know, being able to hack into defense systems and change coordinates of intended targets.

[Vinnie]

It was actually 2016, so it's been around 10 years.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Tom]

You have to wonder, do they not do surveillance before targeting sites?

[Vinnie]

Well, there's no boots on the.

[Tom]

I mean, if it's satellite surveillance you

[Vinnie]

have, I mean, but still you have

[Tom]

control of their airspace. You would imagine that they could confirm targets before hitting surveillance.

[Rob]

You go, and you're seeing a bunch of kids coming out.

[Tom]

You know, guys, that's what I'm wondering.

[Rob]

Why. So if it's 16, 10 years, this is. They dropped the ball on this in a big way. If it's been 10 years. Okay, let's go to next door here. Next door I want to get to is. Which one do I want to go to here, Rob? Which story do I have that I. We want to go to next?

[Pat]

New York City, the terror bombing and CNN's reporting of it.

[Rob]

Oh, let's go to that one with Abby.

[Tom]

Yes.

[Rob]

Is that the one? Go to Abby. Dear Abby from cnn. You know, if you have the whole clip. What page is that on, Rob?

[Pat]

That is on page 25.

[Rob]

Okay, page 25. CNN. Abby Phillips corrects comments on ISIS inspired attacks on CNN in cnn. Go for it in New York City. Go ahead.

[Tom]

Here's the original comments that she made.

[Announcer]

Two Republicans say Muslims don't belong here after an attempted terror attack against New York City Mayor, Mayor Zoran Mamdani. And the House Speaker, Mike Johnson says nothing really to condemn those comments. Another special guest is going to be with us at the table when we come.

[Rob]

And then what's the apology? The apology is a tweet, right? It's not a video.

[Pat]

She actually did an on air apology as well.

[Announcer]

Yeah, but first, this morning, I issued a correction first thing in the morning on X for a mistake that I made in last night's show, but I also wanted to do so on air as well. I incorrectly said that the bombs that were thrown by ISIS inspired suspects in New York over the weekend were directed at Mayor Mamdani. They were not. I failed to catch and correct that mistake in real time. And I take full responsibility for that. And while we do make mistakes, it is important to acknowledge and correct those errors when they happen.

[Vinnie]

Vinny, they, they could literally have a segment where they're just doing this.

[Tom]

Yes.

[Vinnie]

Just apologizing for every single lie. And it just, it boggles my mind that CNN still doesn't get it. What the hell is going on with their board? Tom, you, Pat, you guys have been on board. You guys own companies. What the hell is going on at cnn? Isn't Larry Ellison about to buy? Like, is he. Are they buying them?

[Pat]

Who's now in the regulatory review, please. The offer has been accepted and they're having inspection on the house and they got to get a mortgage. Think of it that way.

[Vinnie]

It's not closed tomorrow since I can remember the Chris Cuomo's on cnn. Lying, lying, Russia, collusion, Covid, all the BS that they're doing, they're still not shifting gears. And I don't even know how, how people are. Scott Jennings, I understand that he's there to debate all these people, but Rob, can you show the tweet. Can you please show the CNN tweet?

[Pat]

Actually, they would get viewers if they did. Do you remember Bill O'Reilly's Talking Points memo? Hello, I'm Bill O'Reilly and welcome to no Spin Zone. And here's tonight's Talking Points memoirs. If she started every night. Hello, Abby Phillips. Tonight's Thursday night. And tonight's correction is.

[Tom]

Yeah, she'd go viral.

[Pat]

Yes, she would go viral every night. Have a correction.

[Vinnie]

And this is, this is one of the tweets. Two Pennsylvania teenagers crossing the New York City Saturday morning for what could have been a normal day and joining the city during abnormal warm weather. But in less than an hour, their lives would be drastically changed as the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs during an anti Muslim protest outside Mayor Mamdani's house. And there's another one, Rob, and I'll read it.

[Pat]

The premise that they're average kids to enjoy a day in the city.

[Tom]

But even Mamdani took his approach.

[Pat]

Pennsylvania teenagers who had been apparently, you can say apparently radicalized and had spent some time planning this, entered the city with their devices. That's the.

[Tom]

And this is another example of. Imagine it went off. This is another example we were talking about previously with. This would have been such a major tragedy.

[Vinnie]

Well, Rob, I'll just say it out loud.

[Pat]

Oh, yeah. That the nail, the nail bomb, as they called it, misfired or.

[Vinnie]

Robert, cnn. And it says a post regarding the two individuals arrested for throwing homemade bombs outside of New York City, Zoran Mamdani's home, failed to reflect the gravity of the incident, therefore breaching the editorial standards we require. Oh, this is it. We require for all our reporting has therefore been deleted. They didn't just miss on how serious what happened was. You twisted it on purpose. They left out who was responsible, who the real targets were and where the blame belongs. And by the way, that's not an accident, that's a choice. When you decide to hide those details, you're and you're not informing the public. You're protecting the people who did it and you're misleading everybody on what happened. So my question is why? Why is CNN taking the position to hide the details from the public? Why? Elon, I'm being.

[Tom]

It's 100%. It's propaganda. Look, these narratives have been going on for a while. If you were just. I talk to people, older people who just watch cnn. They live in a different reality. It is actual propaganda. There's no way to explain it. You could, you could have a Situation like this. And you talk to people who just watch cnn, they come out thinking there was some massive white supremacist group that hates Muslims that was, you know, acting chaotically. And then two innocent kids came along and tried to do something and were, you know, there was something that didn't actually go off and it wasn't such a big deal.

[Rob]

They.

[Tom]

And that the big problem is the white supremacists. That is actual brain rot propaganda. It's been going on for decades. And by the way, just objectively speaking, when you get everything wrong right continuously in one direction, like you said, that is not a mistake, that is intentional. And it is always in one direction. And there's a lot of, you know, 80%, I believe it's higher now. But 80% of people read headlines. They don't even read articles anymore. They don't deep dive into things. And so we're relying on like really quick data to form our opinions of the world. And then you have people like that. No one really watches CNN anymore. I'm. You know what I mean? It's almost like it doesn't actually matter. But this is the, this is the degradation of legacy media on full display. Literally.

[Vinnie]

And they're not shifting gears. It's unbelievable to me as a company worth as much as it's worth. What the hell are you doing? Yeah, Bringing on Scott Jennings is the only reason I can even watch it. I can't even watch it that long. Is when he has to push back against these people. If not, what is it but is everybody patting their backs with false information? Yeah, you're full of crap.

[Tom]

Yeah, we're all bigger than just the media. This is stuff that goes on in advertising. This is stuff that goes on in Hollywood. There is some orchestrated decay of society. I was going to talk about this earlier, but there's a speech by Reagan years ago. Do you guys remember the speech where he said, by the time our enemies come to us, we won't even stand up and fight them? There's a really good speech that he gave and that's essentially what's been happening to us. Yuri Besmanov, or whatever his name is, had talked about the degradation of America, our ability to fight enemies. And I think that's a speech right there. We must fight. You must. We must.

[Vinnie]

We must fight right there.

[Tom]

It's a powerful speech that captures today everything that is going on. This isn't a new tactic. You can go back 20 years and look, there was this, there was this documentary that came out in the UK that was called undercover mosque. And it literally showed the infrastructure in the mosques that were funded by the government that were considered the most secular mosques, and how they were connecting to, like, actual terrorist organizations overseas. You know who was arrested? The guy who went in and documented it for hate speech.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Tom]

And now we look where the UK is today.

[Rob]

We're not far behind.

[Tom]

And so the media, our advertising, Hollywood, all these stuff are designed to make us weak, susceptible. And.

[Pat]

And we wonder where the young men that committed, that gave their. Gave their lives in the completely wrong, most perverse way and the subway bombings came from. Where did it happen? Where did they. Where did they come from? Being right here. They were being radicalized. You know, the guys that radicalize them are never guys that straps on the vest and gets on the subway. It's the young displaced males that they're able to radicalize and send out on suicide missions.

[Tom]

Yeah, they're highly susceptible. There's an identity crisis for a lot of young men.

[Rob]

And let's talk about California. So a few things. FBI says Iran plotting drone attack on California as retaliation for the war. Terrifying FBI alert that came out. Rob, go ahead and play this clip.

[Tom]

So new reporting just coming in of

[Announcer]

a warning to law enforcement in California

[Pat]

from the FBI that Iran could retaliate

[Announcer]

against U.S. strikes by launching drones at the West Coast. This is coming from ABC News reporting. National correspondent Matt Finn joining us live

[Pat]

from our LA bureau.

[Announcer]

Hi, Matt.

[Pat]

Hey, Martha.

[Vinnie]

So there is this ABC report that the FBI has warned police departments here in California that Iran could launch a drone attack somewhere on the west coast, possibly targeting California. This drone attack could, you know, potentially

[Rob]

come from an unidentified vessel.

[Vinnie]

I've talked to some LAPD sources who say so far LAPD has not been made aware of any credible drone threats here in Los Angeles. One LAPD source tells this one a

[Rob]

topic top US Drone expert says Iran could make deadly California strike at any second. We're extremely vulnerable. Okay. Iranian forces have technology, the ability and the motivation to launch withering drone attacks on targets in California, according to Brett. Well, it Kovic, a former U.S. army intelligence and a special operations soldier who spent years using drones to hunt and kill leaders of ISIS and other extremist other terrorist groups were extreme. Is this it, Rob?

[Pat]

Yes, sir.

[Rob]

Go for it.

[Tom]

Yeah, absolutely. Look, Will, Iran has been trying to find unique ways to kill Americans for years. They found that in their own lethal drone technology years ago and had a head start on us when it comes to manufacturing cheap, low cost and highly lethal attack drones. But this brings up a larger issue that honestly deserves national attention, our counter drone defenses here in America. I've been warning about this for years on this program, and now it's playing out in real time. And the uncomfortable truth is that some elements of our own regulatory system, particularly the faa, are slowing down the technologies that can actually stop these very threats. And look, I'll be the first to admit it. The FAA has a very difficult job. They have to protect the most congested airspace in the world. They mean well, but my loyalty is always going to be to protect fellow Americans. And I keep hearing from other government officials that the FAA is not doing any favors to our government and defense apparatus who are trying to install counter drone systems that protect those same Americans. And it's making me nervous. We are extremely vulnerable to domestic drone attack attacks. Obviously Iran seeing that, China seeing that, Russia seeing that the FAA and national security policies on drones should prevent the attack left of launch, not react after somebody here died.

[Rob]

You can pause it, right? He says drones. Drones can be launched by ships, as the FBI warned local law enforcement agencies. That could be the case in California. Such launches could even be executed from unnamed unmanned drone ships. You don't even need a human anywhere near this. You can launch these things over Starlink from a boat a thousand miles away.

[Pat]

Tom, this is where low tech meets high tech. When high tech goes against high tech, when the US Goes against China, if there was ever a war, it's high tech on high tech and very predictable, you know, avenues of engagement on both sides. When low tech meets high tech, frequently high tech has trouble, you know, dealing with it. Take a look at the IEDs, gas canisters like you would get for your backyard barbecue or a fire pit strapped together with a detonator device and. And a cell phone that's been compromised that created IEDs that crippled and killed hundreds of our servicemen in Afghanistan and Iraq. That's low tech. This drone is a low tech, propeller driven, you know, Delta wing as we see it, with basically a, you know, a quadruple grenade on the front of it. That's basically what it is. And so now that's low tech. And even Israel over last night or the night before Elon, the Hezbollah. Hezbollah did an overwhelming. What they did is there's the Iron Dome in Israel. What Hezbollah did from the Lebanese border, Golan Heights area. I may be wrong on that, but I'm not right about is. They sent a hundred drones to overwhelm at pat. They're trying to test and overwhelm Iron Dome. Okay, let's. We Got a hundred domes. How did Hezbollah get 100 domes? Never mind. But there's a hundred coming. And so here they come. And now they're trying to overwhelm it, saying, okay, come and get us.

[Rob]

What?

[Pat]

And in the U. S. There is no, there is no dome. So if there is.

[Rob]

So is this a possibility in your opinion?

[Pat]

Yes, it's a possibility.

[Rob]

Happen in California.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Pat]

So some said it was a false story. That was amplified. Let's never mind that. What if there were two that were there that they wanted to go launch against some school in California, in Hollywood, because they don't like the extreme liberalism. And be careful, guys. The Muslims may not like Jews and Muslims may like Christians, but they really don't like the LGBT and the extreme things because it goes right into the heart of their, of their faith. If they wanted to put two of those up and make a strike in Hollywood, Pat, we don't have a dome to counteract it. We have to have intelligence to stop it before they launch it. Because it's very realistic, it's very possible.

[Tom]

That is what we rely on, by the way. It's kind of sad. So our military bases overseas have tremendous anti drone technology. Our country itself, just because we don't expect attacks like that, are far behind, we're lagging. We rely on preemptively catching these things. But the reality of drones is, just like you touched upon it, they're very hard to track. They're made for low cost, they're very, very cheap. You can make them in the country carry a very small payload if you start getting into bigger payloads. But drones are designed to swarm. You're not putting one drone up in the air. You're putting hundreds, if not thousands if you can.

[Vinnie]

So one gets through if you stop them.

[Tom]

1, 2, 3. But you start having payloads dropping everywhere in the country, that causes absolute chaos. These are not meant to destroy a country. They're meant to destabilize and cause chaos and to cause massive infrastructure damage. And, you know, all that kind of stuff. They can make your life very, very difficult. And it's a very hard way to live. Just like we saw it. You were talking about the Hezbollah attacks. You're looking at 100 rockets that cost three to $5,000. Every single rocket that Israel has to. Every single interceptor missile that Israel has to use is 250,000. If you look at the intel behind it, running the iron Dome, all these. That's why they created the iron domes,

[Pat]

cost as much as all hundred rockets.

[Tom]

So yes, you're running an asymmetric war. You're running a war. That's the advantage for people who do not care who they target is that they can just blindly do these things. Iran doesn't care. If Iran were to attack the United States with drones or terrorists from within the country. Their goal is to target civilian infrastructure. They don't have to be precise.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Tom]

And so that's the benefit they have. They can just operate in absolute no accountability and just target whatever they want. It's a very scary reality. We do need to develop just long term, better defensive mechanisms over our own airspace for this kind of thing. It's just a smart way.

[Vinnie]

Oh, I agree. Because when you, I don't know which

[Pat]

one of you guys. Golden dome, golden domes.

[Vinnie]

Donald Trump was talking about building a golden dome, which I think is, is, is a very, very needed, you know, tool that we need here. But if you guys think about it, four drones were stolen from Fort Campbell a couple days ago. So when you want to talk about the insider threat, bro. Well, first of all, that's where the 101st Airborne is that. How are you stealing drones? I don't, I don't think that they were, you know, they were surveillance drones. Surveillance drones. But bro, at the end of the day, you could still put whatever you want on.

[Tom]

They can still carry a payload which

[Vinnie]

a bunch of stuff came over to the border that they were talking about, so. And again, I don't know who these guys are.

[Pat]

Muslim radicalized soldier, maybe.

[Vinnie]

Oh, you never know. So that's why that doesn't happen. Going back, going back to what you said, enemies foreign and domestic, since they can't really get to us from the air, it's going to happen from people that are already here, that are just waiting in the freaking shadows, that were given money, that were giving cell phones, that were giving freaking apartments and we were all lied to.

[Tom]

So yeah, we have to look at the future of warfare and it's not always going to be the most high tech stuff that wins wars. Sometimes it's going to be just a different way of thinking about war.

[Rob]

Yeah, no, you're right. Absolutely right, Rob. This is, Is this the drones that were found stolen at Fort Campbell, Kentucky? Go for it. Close your eyes. Exhale.

[Tom]

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[Rob]

And breathe.

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[Rob]

Namaste.

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[Rob]

Building at the Armor that there is a $5,000 reward to figure out who stole several drones from Fort Campbell. The Army's criminal investigation division shared photos of these two men. They illegally went into a building at

[Vinnie]

the army base last November and took four drones. They left in two different vehicles, a

[Rob]

light colored sedan and a dark colored pickup truck.

[Vinnie]

If you recognize either vehicle or the

[Rob]

suspects, you should contact Fort Campbell.

[Vinnie]

Apparently, the suspects were identified in Fort Campbell's stolen drones case. No threat to public. Of course they're going to say that, but I mean, I don't, I don't know. It says the army because they sold

[Pat]

the drones to a sleeper cell. So those guys, they're no longer a threat.

[Vinnie]

But again, that's, again, you know this because your army, that's the 101st Airborne. How are you? How are we stealing drones, bro? With masks? You're coming in there and you have that security is, is obviously in. They're going to be getting reamed.

[Tom]

But I feel like everything though, in our country has declined just in our ability to do anything, even in our military. Sadly, I don't know what's going on.

[Vinnie]

Well, the past four years, transgenders were doing TikTok dances and that was their thing. And people were joining the military just to get transition surgeries and then leaving.

[Tom]

Did you see the nav speech videos that came out like four or five years ago? The new Navy speech? Like they came out and it was all about trans language.

[Vinnie]

Oh, yeah, I remember, I remember.

[Rob]

It's a nav speech video that is gone. Thank God that is gone with Biden and that stuff is moved on. Let me get to next door here with Newsom California. Rob, if you want to go to. So Newsom's being interviewed by, I believe, David Pakman. And in the interview he tweets this. Just go to my Twitter account if you could. Just, if you go to. You'll see his tweet right up there. Yeah, right there. So he tweets this and he says, Trump has wrecked our economy. We used to be the envy, the free war of the world. Now our gas prices are soaring, inflation is up, unemployment is skyrocketing, and he's busy in court fighting to tax the American people. You can play this clip, Rop. Go for it. Literally.

[Pat]

I mean, he's taken an economy that was honestly one of the most robust, fastest growing economies in the world. And here we are. I mean, now it's in reverse with the new jobs numbers. I mean, you saw the gasoline prices going through the roof in red states. I saw today up 47 cents in West Virginia. 47 cents. Same number in Indiana. And that's just a few days into this war. Yeah, wait and see. Inflation pressures. We're now having the echoes. I mean, cue up the song around stagflation.

[Rob]

We're gonna have.

[Pat]

We're gonna all start having that conversation and obviously this big beautiful betrayal and what's happened in terms of the deficit and debt that is going to be exacerbated by these tax cuts and by all of the food stamp cuts and

[Rob]

the imposing right there. So he goes ons are crazy. Yeah, he is very good. Now, keep in mind, if there's anybody in America with zero moral authority to talk about anything, is this guy okay?

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Rob]

The only governor of a state that lost a trillion dollars of wealth two times. Two separate times. 20, 20, 20, 21 and 25. 26 people left your state, OK. Two times. And what's even more embarrassing than that is he's the leading candidate for the Democratic Party at 19% on a CNN poll. Not a Fox poll, a CNN poll. Harry Anton couldn't even control himself saying that people, nobody is excited. He called it a clown show of, of what's up there with with candidates. But that's newsome for you. And while this is happening, Yamaha, that's been there for, I don't know how many years. I don't know what the number is. 57 years. 50 years, yes. Is leaving California. Number two, Howard Schultz. You know, he's obviously a different story because we'll get into the Howard Schultz story. Yamaha's leaving California. A bunch of other things that's going on. Vinnie, your thoughts with what Newsom is saying here?

[Vinnie]

I just, it's, he's obviously delusional and it's like how much of this show that he's putting on is resonating with the actual people? How much of. Because again, he's still going after Trump. He's still going after Trump. I'm curious, to win Pat, do you think it's going to be, what, one year out where he does the shift and he says whoever's a front runner, that's where he's going to shift all this to? Because you're, you are completely blind and, and actually ignorant if you're believing it and living there and not seeing it. My mom lives there, my sister, my brother, my nieces, my nephews, everybody that I love, Pat lives in California. And they're all feeling it. And now they're all in their heads going, we might have to be coming to Florida because it's so. He doesn't, the, the, the, the fires, they didn't take any ownership.

[Rob]

The horrible.

[Vinnie]

They blamed everybody else. He keeps going after Trump as if he's going to run for Trump, run against Trump. You're not, you're going to be going against Rubio or you're going to be going up against JD Vance and they're going to demolish you. Demolish you. I don't understand the tactic. I don't get it. Anybody's very like, I sit there and watch him. Besides the funny hand movements and everything. Yeah, he is so good. Because when he's doing this, Pat, not to be funny, you're not even paying attention to what's coming out of his mouth. Because in your hands, in your mind, you're like, what is he hypnotizing doing? He's hypnotizing you. And then once the smoke clears and by the way, shame on Pacman, all these people that just sit there and they just consume all this ridiculous content for out of his mouth and they don't push back. Zero, zero pushback. Because you're, you're, you're, you're horrible at what you do. Just one sided they can't see the other side.

[Rob]

By the way, about. About 60% of all billionaires in America live in four states. California's got about a couple hundred of them. New York's got about 140 of them. Florida's got about 115 of them. And Texas got about 80 to 85, 60% California. The way he's going right now, he's about to lose a lot of people. It's not even the end of it. It's not even the end of it. This is just policies they're looking at right now sitting there saying, why would I stay here? For what reason? Is it just a lifestyle? Is it? And by the way, 2026, if you're a Democrat, you're a Democrat strategist, then go to a Republican strategist. If you're a Democrat strategist, you don't care who it is. You just want to have somebody win so you can get in there, right? And you're looking at Newsom. You have to think about the good, bad and the ugly. How do you sell them? What are you most concerned about?

[Vinnie]

How do I sell?

[Rob]

How do you sell him?

[Vinnie]

He looks presidential. He looks, you know, good looking, you know, wears a suit, knows how to communicate. You can't take it away from him. That, that's the, the selling point. What was the second part?

[Rob]

What is the threats? What are the, what areas are you going to have a hard time with him?

[Vinnie]

His, his track record, his resume is absolutely horrible. His flip flopping on stances was transgender and sports and this and that and just all the lying, all the, all the taxes, all the people leaving, all the, you know, the horrible response to the fires and blaming everybody and talking about land grab, that resume is going to come back to haunt him. The app that shows you where all the human feces is around San Francisco, what he did when she came, made all the homeless people disappear and praise a foreign leader. That's all going to come back. Pat and Covid, the worst Covid hypocrisy, told everybody, stay home, don't leave your house, because I was there. And meanwhile, he's at the French Laundry chilling, drinking and having a freaking good time. The hypocrisy is going to come back and bite him in the butt. And I honestly think that Gavin Newsom, that Kalshee chart prediction is going to drop.

[Rob]

Day one, who's getting the money? You know how day one, typically there's somebody that starts with $100 million, $200 million. Day one, who do you Give the

[Pat]

money to supporting him. Beyond PACs. The PACs that are out there. Now we know how the PACs are getting money. The, the hospices in California that were fake and everything. A lot of that money came back in. We know it came back in Minnesota because we've seen evidence of it initially. Now we're waiting to see the rest of the evidence and, and prosecutions in Minnesota that the money that went to the fraudulent places, Pat, went back into the, the investment similar to the way the Ukraine money we called it on this podcast two years ago on how the Ukraine money was making a round trip back. Oh, you would give a billion to Ukraine 800 came back to Raytheon and then 50 million, oh my gosh. Made it back to a PAC that was supporting, you know, you know, this particular Senate candidate. Wow, wow, wow, wow. So we're self funding our campaigns. So I'm waiting to see where the PAC money is that's going to come here because he doesn't have a Sheldon's widow the way the Republicans do, Pat. He doesn't have those yet. And the people that are out there that were the Silicon Valley, the tech bros, as they call them, they're not in his camp. No, they're not there at all. So when you look at this, hey, do we. Is there a Kalshee on the national election? Take a look at that. Well, well, by what a diff. As they say, what a difference a day makes. Could you move that off there so we could see the end? What a difference a war makes. Wow, look at this. This is.

[Rob]

And by the way, Ruby seems nowhere to now right behind both of them.

[Tom]

Yeah, really quick look at the number

[Pat]

on the lower left corner, Pat.

[Rob]

18 million.

[Pat]

18 million has been put up by people putting their opinions out on Cowshi. You can be part of it. Put your name, get a couch account, go put some money in where your opinion is and watch it unfold. You can do it. This is how prediction markets now are showing.

[Rob]

What is it on Rubio right now, Rob? If you put $1,000 on Rubio, what happens? Can you pull that up so we can see what happens if somebody puts $1,000 on the prediction market? So you put 18 cents on Rubio, what do you get?

[Pat]

You'll get the, the 82 cents minus the fee for the House.

[Rob]

So you put, you put $1,800 right now. Rubio wins, you're getting $8,300 minus the fee. Is that the way to look at it, Tom?

[Pat]

Yeah, you, because you're betting at the 18 cents and the other half. So you could actually click on the yes and it'll tell you exactly what you can expect. Expect. There you go.

[Tom]

Where does it show it?

[Rob]

Tom, I still, I. You said there you go, but I don't know what there you go means. I want to know like if I bet, if I put on a thou, what do I get on that Humberto, can you let us know what happens if a thou was put on here?

[Pat]

You would get a thousand divided by 18 cents is sort of the number of votes that you'd be making. A thousand dollars divided by 18 cents. The number of votes.

[Rob]

5,000.

[Pat]

No, that would be 555.

[Tom]

Not a bad 0.55.

[Rob]

If you, if you put a thousand on the position of Rubio being president, you're going to win 5,500 bucks.

[Tom]

That's what it says.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Tom]

I just divided a thousand by 0.18

[Pat]

because that is, that is what's 20 cents times.

[Rob]

So you're telling me, you're telling me a 3 year investment of you put 10k on Rubio could turn into 55,000 minus fees.

[Pat]

Correct.

[Tom]

5.5 Xing.

[Rob]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Tom]

I, the way he's trending and he's, he's actually showing leadership.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Pat]

How much, where do you think the 18 million is coming from? People are making that exact, exact prediction.

[Rob]

So that 18 million and some people are putting a half a million bucks saying they think Rubio. So half a million is going to turn into, you know, two and a half million dollars.

[Pat]

But the big thing is the prediction markets are coming true and they're, and they are now leading even the best of the polls. You look at how the polls end up, really amazing.

[Vinnie]

How much, how, how much do you think the odds of Rubio winning in 2028 are going to matter? But the, how this war, how the outcome of the Iran war, not as much finishes is going to, Is it going to affect him, Pat? Not.

[Tom]

He's not vice president. I think it hits J.D. vance.

[Vinnie]

No, but he's, but he's been a big proponent and he's been in front of the MIC talking about Iran, Iran. You haven't heard one thing about J.D. vance. All I've heard is Rubio. So how much of that, if this is not a success and isn't ended within, let's say six months, how much does it affect, Pat, his 2028 bid? Because that's what they're going to use against him. They're going to say your Party said no new wars. Look what you guys are doing. Look what you guys are bombing schools and blah, blah, blah, blah. How much you don't.

[Tom]

It all depends on his. There's so much time between now and then. It depends on his rhetoric. Like in other words, if he's offering off ramp solutions. If this does get dragged out.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Tom]

And he can say, listen, I've been offering off ramp solutions. If I get in, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to off ramp us. That could work.

[Vinnie]

They're going to say, well, you guys acted like you guys had the plan. Here we are, it's 2027. We're still, you know, these people are not giving up. That's, I think. What do you think? You think that did play a big role for his 2028 bid. If Rubio is the front runner on how this war finishes, if it does, if it drags out or if it's done within six months.

[Rob]

I think, I think it is a, you know, that whole thing about a thousand becoming 5,500 bucks minus fees. There is still so many unpredictable things that nobody has a clue what's going to be happening. It, it is so, so, so early, it's not even funny. But I can tell you at the State of the Union, he made Rubio stand up twice. And he recognized him twice.

[Pat]

Yep.

[Rob]

He only did that with one person, which was Rubio. And he says Rubio is going to go down as the greatest secretary of state of all time. He's saying this, he's saying he's going to be better than Kissinger because Kissinger had loose lips. Yes, he would, he would talk. And he says Rubio does not talk. So if this continues and this becomes a gorbachev moment, hey, Mr. President, tear down that wall and Iran is gone and Rubio's front and center. I don't think he needs to do anything else between now and 2027. He's the leading candidate if it succeeds. But that's a massive if for this to be done and we don't even know what success means. By the way, can you pull up the book that Vinnie co wrote with. This is what Gavin, I'm like you. Gavin

[Vinnie]

let, he let, he let African Americans know in Atlanta he doesn't know how to read. His SAT scores were low, by the way. He, he, he grew up in the hood. He grew up in the hood and he ate, you know, I mean like bread, stacks of bread. And tries to talk like he, he

[Pat]

has a sequel, doesn't he where he changes the Y to a J and he goes over to the Middle east, right?

[Vinnie]

Yeah, that's the next book. That's the next book with a yamaka. And.

[Rob]

And by the way, just so you guys know, that's AI you don't need to go actual double check in, verify whether that is real or not. Let me go to a before we.

[Pat]

The hair was real, the expression.

[Rob]

I want to show a clip I saw about fatherhood of a picture he saw at a gathering when his 8 year old son looked at him and what it did to him. Okay, this is a conversation, an old conversation with Brian Dennehy, an actor. If you don't know Brian Dennehy, he's been on a lot of different things, a lot of different movies. You've seen him many, many times. If you don't know the name, you definitely know the movies he's been in.

[Pat]

Silverado.

[Rob]

Yeah, First Blood, Tommy Boy, Silverado. You got Rambo. He's been everywhere and he's being asked about the role alcohol played and what moment was it for him where he stopped drinking alcohol. Watch this conversation here. Go for it.

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[Rob]

N I'm always a kind of a sneaky drinker. You know, if I was on location or in a hotel someplace, maybe I get, every once in a while I get blasted at home. But one, I was at Thanksgiving years ago, 10 years ago, 12 years ago and my son Cormac, who is now a freshman at Syracuse and whom I love beyond measurement and Thanksgiving and I it was 11 o' clock and we had a whole bunch of people there and I was having a glass of wine. I was fine. I wasn't, I wasn't even high at that point. But as I'm looking around the room, my eyes catch his eyes, his eight year old eyes. And he was looking at me with that look and that look said, what's he gonna do today? How bad will it get today? How far will he go today? I knew it immediately. And I remember putting the glass down. But that was the end of that part of my life. I mean, I was always a kind of a sneaky drink, right? How do you process that? Oh man.

[Vinnie]

Like, you know how everybody has their moment. You know what my moment was for that for an eight year old just to share the look and that was his moment is, that's insane. Like, you know, I, I, I, I feel for the 8 year old kid because I was that 8 year old kid. My dad had woke up every morning, drank two Miller High lives, my mom, that was, that was him going to work, was drinking those two beers, going to work. And the moment he got home it was vodka and coke, which is a nasty, nasty drink. But it was always, what a, what a moment. It was always looking in that room, Pat, to see his mood. And we would avoid the living room. We'd have to use the living room to go to the bath. I would, we would avoid it. I would go outside in the yard to pee. Just not to deal with the person that's drinking. So for him to have that moment from the innocence of an eight year old looking. And by the way, when he's saying, what is he going to do next? Meaning is he going to throw things in the house? Does. I don't know if he hit the kid or whatever. It was always that moment of unpredictability when it came to my dad either he was the best person to be around, he loved his friends to come to the house, he would always have. But, but when it was us, when it got to the certain level of drinking, Pat, it was yelling at my mom, lining me and my brother up like soldiers. Me, my brother and my sister, and just yelling out just about, about nothing. About absolutely nothing. So that's it, bro. I'm telling you right now. I tell people all the time and I talk to you. I can't tell you the amount of people on my neck that talk to me and reach out to me about alcoholism and addiction. If you eat too much food, what do we, what do we normally say? Oh man, I'm over, I'm full, I'm just full breathing. Let me just lay down. When you drink too much alcohol, it's alcohol poisoning. There's, it's poison and I get it. Some people like, I just want one glass of wine and that's fine. But for some people that can't do it, My, my biggest advice is listen, pray about it, stop having alcohol in the house, stop hanging out with people that are drinking. And if you're out and you have to be in that social setting, club soda, lime. And you'll get to the point where you tell people. Because at the beginning I was like, I don't, I'm embarrassed. Like, yo, I'm drinking club soda. And people like. And I was in la, what are you, you, you a little man drink. And I would go into it, but then it got to the point where I'm like, yo, I'm, I'm done drinking, okay? I'm not, I don't need, like, you're not a friend. And I'm telling you right now, Pat, the amount of friends that you will lose if that's all. And because you realize they're not just

[Tom]

drinking, bro, honestly, they needed you to just.

[Vinnie]

We were just drinking partners. And I'm not saying all of them. I still have friends that I used to hang out with and drink with. But it's crazy how you change and your life. And bro, it took me two years. I remember the moment I'm driving in my car and Tom, something happened. I got good news and I felt goosebumps. I felt genuine happiness. And I was like, oh my God, I haven't been happy in years because the alcohol was numbing everything. And May 1st is going to be three years. Besides God, obviously first. May 31st is my three year anniversary. I've the best obviously not decision because I've always had God. But I just got more serious. Stop drinking was the number one thing I've ever done in my life. And I encourage everybody out there, everybody out there, if you're, if you're having that moment. The best decision I've ever made in my life was stop drinking, period. And listen to the stories you're hearing from people that are like, you know, a kid looking at the father, kid

[Rob]

looking at that, yeah, I don't know who he is going to be.

[Tom]

So there's something really. So I used to, I've been hospitalized many, just to be totally honest. But when I was younger, I went through a really rough stage. I was hospitalized many times. They told me, you're going to kill yourself, you keep drinking like this. I was lucky. I had a tremendous woman who made a big difference for me. But there's something very powerful about taking the attention off yourself, right? You suffer from depression. Most people who drink suffer from depression. It's correlated. But they're both involved with self obsession, self Consumption. And when you take the attention off yourself, it's why God is so important. It's why something like a child looking at a child and go, this person right here is more important than I am. My attention is going to go to them. My attention is going to go to something bigger than me, it's going to go to God, it's going to go to something bigger than this material world which I'm consumed by. You have an identity greater than yourself. You put yourself out to other people. It cures whatever that illness is. Because the illness isn't the alcohol. The alcohol is a cover up for the illness that you have inside you. And so when you find a way to treat that, when you, when you come down to the corner, it's so valuable having someone who can help you or having someone to put your attention on. And again, having God to put your attention on, it can cure you. It can cure that inner. And then nothing can break you. And like you said, those people are not your friends. They don't. They were never there for you. They were there for what you represented to them, which was someone to do this thing with.

[Vinnie]

It's hard.

[Tom]

It is very hard.

[Rob]

You know, you know, you know, to me when, when you. Two days ago we went to Venezuela, Dominican Republic game, game. Dominican Republic game. And Vinnie baseball game. Re diculous game. Okay. Tatis hit a home run on fire. Guerrero hit a home run. Ridiculous. Soto hit a home run in the first inning. And then also Matre hit a home run. And they just played lights out. Venezuela had. They came back at 1.43 and I'm sitting there, Dylan's next to you and, and Shauna's with us. We're having a great time, conversations. We come home and then of course, Dylan has not felt good the last two days. He had empanada. I don't know what he ate. Vinnie, he's been.

[Vinnie]

Oh, I think, I think it was. And I just think it was empanada.

[Rob]

You know what it is? There's, there's a three things when it comes down to that kid relationship, right? The kid relationship with the dad. There are certain gifts your kids are born with. That's their gifts, okay? There's nothing you can do about certain gifts that they're born with. You were born with certain gifts like Vinnie can do. I can, by the way, I can be with Vinnie for six hours and Vinnie will make you laugh for six hours. Vinnie's like this naturally. He was born with this amazing gift of making people laugh, making everybody around he's just a. He's not even a comedian. He's just Vinnie. He's like this all the time. Tom, if you're around Tom, if you're around him, after three, four hours, your brain, you will literally start seeing bulges, biceps being build out. And you like your head traps.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Rob]

In your head like you're flying like this. Because Tom, just when you're around them, his ability to store knowledge the way he does is insane. Right. There's certain gifts, your kids have it as well. That's their gift. Number one is what they're born with. But number two is on you and I. And apart with you and I, it is what is caught on what we do, how we live our lives, how we handle issues, how we handle crisis, how we handle problems, how we love on them, how we treat their mothers, how we treat our family, how we treat people that we're doing business with. They're watching everything you are doing. This clip with Brian made me think about how much of the responsibility fathers have to know that your kids are watching you 24, 7. When he said that look the 8 year old gave. Every father knows that look when he come home in different ways. They're looking to see what daddy is going to come home to me today. And it's something we can always work on as fathers. Everybody can. Last story I want to get to before we wrap up is Ronda Rousey is fighting Gina Carano. Right. Which by the way, Gina came out and like I said last time, everybody was texting me, telling me, man, is she single and is she flat out said, I just got engaged. Rhonda goes out and calls out the UFC and is this it, Rob? The fight between. Which one is it, Rob that.

[Pat]

So I have two separate clips.

[Tom]

The first one is her Talking about

[Pat]

the UFC's terrible paper for fighters.

[Rob]

Is this it?

[Tom]

Yep.

[Rob]

Play the clip. Go for it.

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It's just not about putting on the best fights possible anymore. Dana isn't the owner and he isn't calling the shots and he isn't running things that the way that he wants because he's, he's an employee of the company. It was a big mistake of theirs to, to not let him just run. Run things the, the way that he always has. Oh, he knows the, the White House card suck. It's like he knows that they were pushing this for over a year and it fell extremely short of expectations. I mean, he was so upset about it. He was talking about a fight falling out the day before. You know, I can Guarantee you, he's not happy with it either. It used to be that UFC was the best place that you could come in combat sports to make a living and be paid fairly. And. And now it's no longer. It's one of the worst places to go. It's one of the. It's why so many of their top athletes are leaving to go and find pay elsewhere. It's why their champions, like Valentina are selling pictures of their titties on onlyfans. You know, like, these people are a lot of them at the ground level. They can't even. They can't support their families. They're living poverty level, fighting full time. This company just got $7.7 billion. There's no reason that they can't afford to pay their athletes at least a living wage.

[Rob]

I'm happy. I'm out of that.

[Vinnie]

There's so much that's always.

[Tom]

I mean, the UFC has had this problem for years. It's pretty interesting. The. I'll just get on with the card first. The White House card. Dana White was talking up this card like crazy. I thought for sure you're gonna have, like, the icons of the sport. People have been waiting for Conor to come back for a very long time. This was a perfect opportunity. That fight with Chandler has been scheduled for, like, seven years. You know, Jon Jones should have come back. This should have been a card that had a lot of Americans. You have Justin Gage. Colby would have been great just because of how vocal he is. But Justin, yes, he's American, but you have Ilia Topuria fighting him, who's gonna realistically wreck him, and that's now the big star in the ufc. You have Alex Pereira, who's amazing, but again, doesn't really feel like it represents America. The card. Dana White has been having problems with this kind of rhetoric for a long time where fighters are coming out and just putting down the UFC in Ganu. There are other options now for fighters. Pfl. I know guys who left the UFC and went to PFL, made a million dollars. They won the PFL. They did it two years in a row.

[Pat]

They're like, cool.

[Tom]

I made 2 million bucks. I would have made 50, 000 a fight fighting. And people are getting shelved in the UFC. So 50, 000 a fight, let's say you're making. Your manager takes a huge amount of that money. Your team, everything, your travel, your taxes. That's why fighters don't want to fight in New York. And then you're looking. They get. Maybe nowadays, if they're lucky. One or two fights a year. The UFC kind of became the big boy in a way that it didn't take into account. The number one thing you have is your fighters. And unless you're a megastar in the UFC, it's very hard to survive off the UFC nowadays. So 100 agree with Ronda Rousey. I was surprised. I was legitimately. I expected like Roofy Chandler is a very weird fight. There's just nothing here that really, really calls out to me. On any other night, I would have loved to see Pereira gain. I think that's a very cool fight, but people really wanted to see Pereira. Jones, you have Omali fighting Zahabi. It's man, they took off. Ilia. Ilya's no longer on there?

[Rob]

No, he is at the top.

[Vinnie]

Oh, okay.

[Rob]

Ilia.

[Tom]

All right. Okay. That's a big fight. But again, it doesn't feel like a White House card to me. It doesn't feel like this.

[Rob]

On the 250 year anniversary, a Spaniard is going to beat a white guy. Destroy him, by the way.

[Tom]

If you're betting that's going to be like 10 to 1 odds anyway. But it's. Toporia is such a beast. He's just. And it's interesting that there's so many other.

[Rob]

How much of this you think is. Is always been there? How much of it is you think is because they have a new buyer?

[Tom]

No, they started having a shift when William Morris, they sold endeavor. You started seeing like all the. The way that a lot of fighters used to make money was off sponsorships where they could come in the ring with their like back painted that went out. That started affecting fighter pay. And then you started having the UFC find like diff different distribution channels which affected fighter pay. So it's just an. It's a progression into becoming like. And. And Dana White has a mentality, by the way, just to be fair, she's saying it's not Dana White. He does have a mentality that he's the top dog. If you want to be known, you fight in the UFC and you put up with what it is because when fighters do go against him and do call for things or do speak out saying this is what I'm worth, like, like we discussed earlier, it's crazy not to pay Jon Jones whatever he asks for on the White House card. It's his last fight. He's coming in, by the way, injured after not fighting for a long time. So there is a real chance he could lose against a really high level guy. Like Pereira, and it's just such an interesting fight. This is like the biggest night possible, and he's over there, and he's just will become very, very resistant and very confrontational with people who challenge him. So even now with Armin Tsurukian, Armin should be fighting for the title. He's been putting Armin on the sidelines for a series of reasons.

[Rob]

He.

[Tom]

It's just there's a certain mentality there that's kind of decayed over the years. When something becomes that big, we sometimes see it. We sometimes see the people within the country.

[Rob]

What do you think is going to happen with the Rhonda Gina fight? Do you think that's a real fight or not really?

[Tom]

I think it's a real fight. I think it's a good fight. I think Ronda Rousey hopefully is not delusion, making herself delusional to believe she's a striker again. I've seen videos of her, like, striking. I'm like, just, please, you're an Olympic judo. She's a silver medalist in Jingo. I think she's unbelievable at grappling. She has certain flaws in her game. She never really had a good double leg takedown in judo. Translating into UFC into mma, you don't have the ghee. There's. The grips are different, the sweat's different. It changes the game. But that was always her strong point. She went down the. So I do think it's going to be a real fight. I really want to see it, to be honest. It's one of the more interesting fights I can watch now. And I do like nostalgic fights. The UFC should be focusing more on

[Rob]

those kind of, what are the chances? What are the chances that last minute Dana's doing this because he wants it to come here, and all of a sudden he announces a massive fight.

[Tom]

I don't buy it.

[Rob]

You don't buy that?

[Tom]

Not in a million years.

[Rob]

Yeah. And, you know, you heard about the 85,000 tickets, how they're going to be doing it. Rob, if you want to play this clip, go ahead. The way that the White House is

[Vinnie]

laid out, you got the White House, you got the South Lawn, and then

[Rob]

there's a road, and then the Ellipse

[Vinnie]

is a park that's right there. We're going to be ticketing 85,000 people in the Ellipse, and the tickets are free.

[Rob]

And we'll announce how we're going to

[Vinnie]

be giving them away soon. But you should plan on going to Washington, D.C. for this event.

[Rob]

The way 85 85,000 tickets are free.

[Vinnie]

Can you imagine the security that's. That is in. During a war? We're currently in a war and it's not going to stop anytime soon. I don't. I don't believe that is a crazy security risk.

[Rob]

Yeah.

[Tom]

I don't know how you vet 85,000.

[Rob]

This is what Joe had to say about it. Go for it.

[Vinnie]

Wow.

[Tom]

You excited for the White House card?

[Pat]

That looks really good.

[Vinnie]

Yes, I'm excited. It sounds crazy. I know it's going to be very

[Rob]

high security and high stress and weird

[Vinnie]

to have a fight at the White

[Rob]

House in the middle of a war.

[Pat]

The war will be sorted out by

[Rob]

June, but quite honestly, I'm not confident

[Vinnie]

that that's going to be the case.

[Pat]

No. Yeah.

[Tom]

No.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Rob]

So that would be weird.

[Vinnie]

Yeah. Having this very high profile event where

[Pat]

everybody's in one place at one time.

[Vinnie]

Right there.

[Tom]

I hadn't thought of that.

[Pat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tom]

You excited for the White House?

[Vinnie]

You haven't thought of that? Guess what? I thought about it before. I've never even seen this clip. Yeah, like you gotta think about that.

[Tom]

But 85.

[Vinnie]

Do you understand what 85, 000 people looks like?

[Tom]

It's impossible and it's free. Yeah.

[Vinnie]

Like what? You can't. You're not doing background checks on everybody.

[Tom]

I don't know what the plan is. I don't know how you even. I don't see how it's physically possible to have security for an event like that in a way that it actually is fully secure.

[Rob]

Yeah. What's this, Tom?

[Pat]

No, I think it's. I think it's easy to pick on somebody like Dana White. When you take a look at all professional sports leagues, somebody took the risk. Somebody built it. Somebody built it up. And there were things that came along. TV deals come along, sponsorships come along, and then the players say, we want more of it. That's normal. That's why MLB's got the MLBPA. That's why the NBA has got players association. And they make contracts and they decide what percent of revenue is going to be players, what percent of revenue is going to be the league. But they have to remember there is no ufc. You know, if. If Dana White doesn't put it all together. And I think it's easy to pick on him. And they can say, oh, I don't like how it's become. But I think at the end of the day you got to remember that without it there is no platform. That doesn't mean there's a saint on Both sides. But the entrepreneur always takes the arrows later when it's big, you know, I think. And that's.

[Tom]

So he's in an impossible situation for sure. He, he's dealing with the people who invested. He's also dealing with the fighters. He's a very down to earth, gritty guy. He speaks his mind.

[Pat]

I've seen a situation today go back 10 years ago. Oh, my gosh. Dana got us this TV deal. Oh, my gosh. We're going to be on ESPN. Oh, my gosh. Before that. And so somebody had to drive that. He was the driver of that.

[Tom]

MMA exists because of Dana White. In the early years of the UFC being willing, and the investors of Fertitta Brothers, I believe, were the two that they took a massive chance. No one believed the UFC would be a big sport. The problem is now that there are, in fact, other avenues. There is competition. You have One fc, which is massive across Asia. You have pfl, you have all these other organizations that are coming.

[Pat]

It's also normal market development.

[Rob]

Yes.

[Tom]

And people are leaving.

[Pat]

There's a market. Somebody says, I'm going to make something a little different and I'm going to go over here.

[Rob]

By the way, he's always said, if you want to do it better, go start a company. If you want to, by the way. But what Rhonda said there, it's very important that one thing we're leaving out. What. Who is running that Netflix event? Who's the guy that's putting it together? Who was between Gina and Ronda when they were going up and facing off, who was right in between? Jake. A guy named Jake Paul.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Rob]

What has Jake said about Dana and UFC the last four, five, six years? He's been saying a lot. He slowed down a little bit on the criticism. I think a part of it is because Logan did a deal with Dana at ufc, with prime, and maybe a part of it was like, listen, tell your brother to kind of leave me alone a little bit. But you don't think Jake is in the. In Rhonda's ear? You don't think Jake is in Rhonda's ear talking about what's going on with fights? And by the way, what is Rhonda and Gina gonna make in this fight? Can we find out what they're making in this fight? What are they each making in this fight? It's.

[Tom]

It's gonna be hard to know if they don't get back end points or if they do get.

[Rob]

Give me a. Give me a high. Low. I mean, there should Be a guesstimation the world. This is going to be one of the biggest viewed fights because everybody's been wanting this fight of Ronda Rousey, Gina Carano. You know, two very attractive girls going up against each other. Is there a rough rumor, Ask and say. Are there rumors and speculation of what it's roughly going to be likely be 5 to 10 million. Okay, and how about Gina? She previously got 3 million. Gina, 2 to 5 million. Okay, and what's the most these two girls ever got paid? Type in what is Gina Carano and Ronda Rousey's career earnings. What is Gina Carano and Ronda Rousey's career earnings in ufc. And what did Gina fi. Gina fought Pride.

[Tom]

She fought in. No, she was before. She kind of paved the way for women in the UFC before Ron.

[Rob]

Earnings. Not just ufc. Because what I'm trying to find out is what both of them got paid. What are career earnings for Rousey and what does it say?

[Tom]

18 million. That makes sense for Rhonda.

[Rob]

She's made 18 million.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Rob]

From fighting, not sponsorship. Go 571. 1.8, 4.9, 4.5. So she got paid 4.9 for Rhonda, 4 point Amanda Nunez, 4.5 for Holly Holm, and then she's going to get paid what, 5 to 10 million. How bad you think Jake wants to pay more to Rhonda than any fight she's ever gotten paid? I guarantee you Jake wants to pay more.100.

[Tom]

But also keep in mind, though, that that 4.9 million was when Rhonda was at the peak of her career.

[Rob]

It was ridiculous.

[Tom]

She was the ultimate megastar. She's getting 10 million now after being in WWE for whatever.

[Vinnie]

Gina. Gina. I mean, there was reports when she sued Disney, allegedly, she got like, a huge payout where Elon funded it.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

Like $115 million.

[Rob]

Gina's career earnings is probably nothing.

[Tom]

300,000 to 600,000 fights because there was no women's. There was no mainstream women's fighting when Gina Carano was fighting. People don't. Guys like Ken Shamrock. Yeah. Don't. Don't have much money. Like, there's. There's guys.

[Vinnie]

They were in the beginning.

[Tom]

They were in the beginning. They built it for the people.

[Rob]

But here's what I will tell you, okay? There. There are certain guys in the space that are great commissioners that have brought a lot of eyeballs to the business. There's not a better commissioner than Dana White. The one thing people forget is the following. When. When you work with somebody and you don't have anything going on in your life. And this person works their ass off to build a platform. Your life changes while you're going through the process of going from, you know, not having anything going on too. All of a sudden you have so many things and everybody in your ear starts saying, dana doesn't pay you a lot. Dana doesn't. During that period, you're in such gratitude mode. Oh, my God, Dana changed my life. And then all of a sudden people get in your ear and then you say, screw Dana. It's all his fault. I should have. You should have, we should have. And in reality, Dana working like a slave to build a platform, allow you to do what you do and become who you are today. Could they have paid more and done more things? I think so. I looked at their EBITDA numbers a couple times. I don't know what the numbers were. Tom, if you remember, one time live in the old 5100 podcast said it showed 38 to 47% on the types of money they were making. They can afford to pay more, they can afford to cut bigger contracts. They can afford to do that. But that was not their philosophy. Their philosophy was make the money outside on sponsorship.

[Tom]

But they don't even let you do that. They don't let you come in. They have the.

[Rob]

The contracts are so controlled that it has to go through them. Look, again, capitalism is going to do its part and you have to make proper adjustments. And if that's what's going on right now, they'll have to make the decisions themselves, business wise. But Dana, Zaji and Dana build a platform that a lot of people around the world are benefiting from and entertain. How many, how many fights can you remember where you were at? And you watch, oh my God, he built to you.

[Tom]

I'm not arguing that 100. I just wore worry about a lot. People don't realize what fighters go through. I've done combat sports my whole life. I wasn't even remotely close to competitive like this. I have torn ACLs, I've torn meniscus, I've herniated disc. I know guys who've been fighting and they put their, their health on the line because they believe in it and they also want to have a better life for their families. Again. So much money is going out to their manager. So much. You want to see a fighter at the end of his career who might not have been the top five, in the top five, but was in the top 10 or top 15, who can take care of his family when his career is done. And that's what I want to see Jake.

[Rob]

Jake sees that as an opportunity. And if there's anybody that could pull it off, Jake's the personality. The other day, Jake was on the stage with Trump, and you heard what Jake, what Trump said. He says, I don't know why. I think sometime in the near future, this guy's running for office, you know, and I believe in him. And by the way, I've said this with Jake and Logan for many times. There's something very, very likable about Jake Paul. There's something likable about him. I don't know what it is. There's something very authentic. Don't get me wrong. Wrong. He's a troll. He does his thing. He plays the game. He does all that stuff. But if you're ever around him, there's something very, very attractive and likable about Jake Paul. Anyways, end of the podcast gang. Today's what? Today's Friday the 13th. No, really?

[Tom]

I didn't even realize that today's Friday.

[Vinnie]

It's Friday the 13th.

[Rob]

Oh.

[Pat]

On behalf of the market, thank you very much.

[Vinnie]

What do we do now? Anyway, that was so random.

[Pat]

Them.

[Rob]

Have a. Have a. Have a great weekend. Have a great weekend. And we will do this again on Monday. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye bye. Bye, bye.