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Adam
Did you ever think you were made again?
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Pat
Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one.
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Tom
My son's right about.
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Pat
I don't think I've ever said this before. All right, so it's Good Friday today. I haven't worn a pink shirt, God knows for how long. Vinnie, literally, I can't think of the last time I wore a pink shirt. Tom, you got a nice purple shirt and a purple tie on. Adam's all black. Elon, all black. Vinnie all black. The rest of us add a little bit of color. Rob, what do you got on?
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Tom
Well, it's Easter weekend, right?
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Pat
Look, Rob's got a little bit of blue on.
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Elon
So is pink the color for Easter? Is that the color?
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Vinnie
I don't know.
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Tom
Pink and purple.
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Pat
Purple for Easter. But I just kind of think about some of the colors. For those of you guys that got big plans this weekend, if you're a follower of the old philosopher Joe Biden, I know you guys are going to be doing Easter with these potatoes because it's like a woke thing, and I respect you guys. But those of you guys that are going to do it the traditional way and celebrate the event that happened at 9:00am, which Vinnie's going to tell us right now in a minute, why we do what we do today. And we got a lot of stories to get into, a lot of them. Trevor Bauer is looking like he's got a strategy of how to get into the Major League Baseball. And there's some fans here that want to root him on. And I messaged him yesterday. I'm excited to see what happens with him. Desantis is making some big moves. Pam Bondi just got fired yesterday. Reports of Tulsi may be next. Todd Blanch was on Fox yesterday talking about was there. The reason for it is because of how maybe Pam Bondi and Swalwell back in the days, you know, was something tipped off and he said, no, I think Jesse asked the question. Elon's got some thoughts on that. Canada, we have to talk about the story today that Canada believes, you know, talking about the Bible, where maybe some of the stories in there that are against LGBTQ Bible may be considered hate speech. And they're at the final stages of what's going to be happening with that. And then a bridge in Iran on its way to Karaj got hit. And I know this bridge because my dad and I would drive on this bridge to the place he worked at, at a factory in Karaj in his giant card that he had, which we'll play the clip and we'll talk about that. Eight people were killed and many, many injured. I think the number is 95 wounded. Could be a little bit higher now as the reports are getting more and more the bullet with Charlie Kirk. And we have to talk about that because we haven't touched on that yet. And then Erica Kirk drew ski. Did we ever talk about that on the podcast at all? Have we touched that story? I don't think we have. We'll touch that story. And then oil prices, if you look at it right now, it went all the way up to 112, 113, 114 yesterday. And it got back down to 101. It is back up to 112 again today. I know Tom's got some thoughts to say about that. And on top of that, you know, one of the astronauts was asked about, how do you feel as a black man? And his answer is, beautiful. It's what we need more in America today. I want to play it for you. And then aside from that, let me see what else I got here that I'm tracking a number that came in with the mass exodus California. I want to address that. We didn't do it the other day. Trump's approval rating on economy hits a new low, according to cnn. We have to show that because typically we show the good, we got to show the bad as well when it happens. And then what else we got here? We got a couple other. Kristi Noem's husband cross dressing. Vinnie's really interested in that because, you know, when you have stories like that, you have to know a guy like Vinnie, all he thinks about is sketches. Yep. So we were honestly, like, we were part. I, I thought it wasn't a good idea. Tom brought up this idea saying, why don't we all do the podcast today with balloons. Yep. I, I said I think it's inappropriate.
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Vinnie
I have him in the.
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Pat
And then eventually, after a long conversation together, he agreed. And so we're not going to be doing it. But don't be surprised if a sketch is coming soon with Vinnie and, and that may be coming soon. And by the way, she herself answered right. She said she was devastated and she was surprised. And, and what happens?
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Tom
We just come up with ideas and we got to filter.
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Pat
No, I love that. I respect that. We listen. The year of solving bigger problems, that's just not that big of a problem. It's just balloons. But we'll figure it out. We'll. We'll figure it out. And then, of course, a must today, the story that we have to address, it's what's going on, the travesty that's going on in Nigeria. We have to touch that story 100%. But before we get started, one of my favorite people that I like to see and hear pray is Thomas Ellsworth. Okay, so, Tom, today, Good Friday, before we start the podcast, I would like to see you lead us with a prayer. Go for it.
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Tom
Thank you very much. Our Lord, we just thank you for this time together. And we just pray. Peace upon the nation, upon the world. And, Lord, we come to you on this very special day. For those in the Christian tradition, this is Friday. This is Good Friday with the crucifixion of Christ. And we all know in our hearts today, because we have the path of history, that Friday is here. But Sunday's coming. And we just thank you for that opportunity to be reverent this weekend. I pray for calmness and peace among the people. I pray for encouragement to people. But most of all, I pray that there's a sense of humanness that comes back to people reaching out to neighbors and turning down the tone of dialogue in the name of Good Friday and maybe finding the humanness and compassion and community that is in all of us. And we ask that your holy spirit be here and guide us in that. And we thank you so much. In the Lord's name, amen.
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Adam
Amen.
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Pat
Amen. Thank you, Tom. I'm Tom. Tomorrow, the interview with Lee Strobel, Case for Christ goes out tomorrow morning. And we had a very, very good conversation together, man. You know, he's. He's on my neck right now as well, but very, very good conversation. He was an atheist for 25 years. I was an atheist for 20, 28 years. I was an atheist for 25 years. And he explained why. Which relationship in the family leads to sometimes men be an atheist. And you just have to see this processing that we had together was fascinating.
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Elon
I didn't. I didn't know you were that atheist that long.
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Pat
Who, me?
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Elon
You?
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Pat
25 years. 25 years.
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Elon
I was an vocal atheist.
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Pat
Oh, I. I did not believe in anything. I. I got kicked out of Bible study. I got kicked out of Bible school in. In Iran. My mom would have to come pick me up, and the pastor would say, we can't have this kind of class no more. So right after school, I would be playing outside. They say, you can't come in class. They wouldn't even let me get into class because of my position.
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Elon
This was in la.
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Pat
In Iran, when I lived in.
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Elon
In Iran.
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Pat
In Iran, yeah. You have a hard time believing. And then when I come here, my parents got a divorce. So the whole thing for me was just a bunch of BS. I don't need it.
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Tom
Wow.
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Pat
January 21st, of all four, my life changed. And the rest is history, is I don't fear anything, but my God, I fear God. I can't even explain to you where that level of fear comes from. He's changed my life. The other day, me, Jen and Vinnie are sitting down. I think it was yesterday. We're having a conversation together on how much this life makes no sense to me. Yeah. How amazing of a life we have. The amount of things we have to be grateful for. I was reading a story this morning and I want to get into the stories. We will. And I was reading a story this morning. It was. It's. It's a story called the Empty Boat Theory. I don't know if you've heard about this empty boat theory. Have you heard about this empty boat?
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Vinnie
No.
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Pat
The empty boat theory is a story about. Imagine you're going in a boat. Tom. Tom, Imagine you're going in a boat. I know, Rob. Don't put the story up. Just put it aside. Imagine you're going in a boat. And while you're going in this boat, all of a sudden another boat hits you. What's your immediate reaction?
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Vinnie
What the heck is going. What are you doing? You stupid. Your boat. You're driving crazy.
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Pat
You're. Unless. If no one's in that boat, if no one's in that boat, who are you upset at?
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Vinnie
Nobody.
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Pat
Nobody. So the only reason we get upset at the boat is why other people that are driving the person that's in the boat to say, it's your fault. Why did you do this? But sometimes we have to just kind of be like, dude, we don't know the story of whatever this individual's gone through in their life. We don't have a clue what this person's doing. You know, sometimes a lot of commentary will come in. And even when you're talking to the guys in Jubilee and these kids are calling you out and they send all this up, they're trying to get under your skin. Rage baiting is a business model, too. 100% is a business model today. So you have to all either sit there and when somebody is saying something to you, saying, if this was an empty boat, what would my reaction be to this kid Be to this person. Be to this man. We have to have that debate. We have to have the argument on the right topics. But also at the same time, for me, when it comes down to faith, you know, this, this whole thing of what God has done. Every single day I live my life, I can't believe the life I'm living. I cannot believe it. It's an amazing gift. It's an amazing opportunity we all have. The relationships, the challenges, the good, the bad. Sometimes, you know, you're going a million miles an hour and, and you don't want to take a time out. Sometimes God will do in his own timeout. He says, you don't want to take the time out. Vinnie, no problem. No problem, buddy.
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Adam
Yeah.
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Pat
I'm going to schedule that time out for you. Go ahead. Here you go. Here's your timeout. And then poem. And you have nothing going on. It happened to me last weekend when we had the time out. It's, maybe we'll have a conversation.
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Elon
One more question, P. I think, you know, in honor of Easter, and it's also the same week as Passover, I had a very poignant conversation with my friend's dad, who's basically like a rabbi. I want to ask you, what percentage of your success and this crazy life that you've have and all these accolades, amazing things, do you owe to yourself and you owe to the man upstairs?
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Pat
100 God. I'll tell you, it's 100, God, and I'll tell you why, because I'll explain it to you. Listen, it's funny. I'm talking to one of my friends who was my groomsman at my wedding, and we had a falling out. We were supposed to start a company together, he and I, and last minute he decided not to. And, and you know, it's, it's that relationship that's being built. The guy that mentored him was a guy named Greg. Greg used to say, work like it's up to you, but pray like it's up to God, right? So for me, I work like everything is on me. But if I tell you the amount of miracles that happened in everything that we've done, I don't control that. I don't take credit for that. The people that accidentally came into my life that led to, like, Dudley, me going to church, and Dudley introduced me to three people. Two out of the three that introduced me, one is Tom Ellsworth, one is Matt Seppala. You know, no, I, I, I have a very hard time. It's, I think it's arrogant to Take credit for all of that, in my opinion. I'm. This is not. This is how I live my life. And, yeah, we, you know, to me, a hundred percent, God, yeah. You know, I sit there, I'm like, dylan, I are having a conversation together. I'm like, you know, if this wasn't to happen, I would have never met you. What do you mean? If this single event doesn't happen, you and I never meet. We don't have this meeting. You know, sometimes we don't even know what's going on. Like, you know, a story I told the other day about one of our friends who, you know, their fourth kid came out not the healthiest. And, you know, I'm always encouraging people to have four plus kids. And so they called me and I watched the way they handled themselves. I was so impressed by these guys. But I had a call with them a week or two weeks ago and I said, I said, you have no idea what role this kid is going to play to teach a level of sensitivity and awareness to your older three kids that one of them one day is going to be a president. And the reason why that kid became a president is because the youngest child, we don't have the answer to some questions, and by the way, some of the answers to questions we're not going to have for decades, for decades, decades, we're not going to have answers to these questions. So to answer your question to me, it's 100%.
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Elon
The only, I don't want to say pushback, I'm not going to push back against God is some of it has to be on you. Like the conversation I had with my friend's father was everyone saying, it's Passover, the Last Supper. Apparently Jesus was celebrating Passover Pesach. And everyone's basically saying, baruch hashem. Thank God. Thank God. And he looks at me, he goes, no, thank you. I said, what? He goes, it's on you. It's on you to do the things. It's on you to get up every day. It's on you to live your life. And then God, when he sees you doing the right things, he gives you the extra oomph.
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Pat
Right?
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Elon
You know, there's the famous phrase, man,
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Pat
you know why I say 100? You know why I say I won't understand that?
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Tom
Yeah.
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Pat
Okay, tell me out of the 4 trillion, you know, runners or swimmers, you think I did that?
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Elon
No.
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Pat
You think from, you know, all these other guys I was competing with when my mom and dad handled their business 48 years ago, twice. And all of a sudden, I'm the one that's chosen. You think that's me doing? No, I think this was the greatest miracle we called life. And I, I, I, I want to believe that it's 100% of him, and I'm going to do my part. You see the reason why we're doing what we're doing today. And again, I don't want to st. I wasn't expecting to go long on the story. I want to get into the story because the audience is probably expecting it. To me, the only reason I'm doing this is my life would be a lot more peaceful if we just took the check. We made a lot of money last year. Every. We make a lot of money. Life is very good for us, just purely on investment. If I never work for the rest of my life, my wife and I will live an incredible life with our kids, with all of that. I truly believe today there's something very weird going on in the world, and I don't fully know what it is. I don't know if we're going to know it fully right off the bat. It may take 5, 10, 15, 20 years, maybe 30, 40 years to find out. But I do believe God is expecting us to step up and fight and make the right arguments and challenge many positions that we may have and set the right example, because a lot of people need good examples today. It's very, very hard to find. It's very, very hard to find today. And I, I take that as a responsibility because, you know, to whom much is given, much is required. I think sometimes we. We want to say, no, I did it. No, I did it. I talked to one of my employees the other day at the event, and I said, so we had this little bit of a friction moment, and I said, why are you here? Why are you even working here? He says, because I really like the people. I said, you really like the people? I said. He says, yes. I said, what about the vision of the company? Do you believe in the vision? He says, I think you're gonna do something very special in your life. I said, you think I'm gonna do it? He says, yes, I don't think I'm gonna do it. He says, why not? I said, I think we're gonna do it. I said, you think I run the podcast by myself? You think I'm the one that you don't see the team behind that's cutting and doing all the stuff, the camera stuff? You don't think behind closed doors, the engineers are doing what they're doing with manec, with higher metrics, with calibration. You think the event that we just put together at Celeste was just me. It was the greatest event we put together for sales leadership. It was the most incredible event. How many hands are touching it behind closed doors? So to me, sometimes we really want to believe it's me, I did it, and all this stuff, dude, pump the brakes. Don't get me wrong. Where there's, you know, there's no vision, the people perish. Yeah, I understand there's got to be the visionary. I understand there's got to be somebody that takes on the burden a little bit more than the rest of the. That's what comes with the territory. Out of conversation with a guy that you and I were talking about two days ago who is kind of going through challenging times. I don't want to mention the name. I called him and I said, hey, you chose this. And I want to encourage you to continue doing this because God's using you. Sometimes there's burden that comes with certain positions we take in life. Husband, father, business owner, influencer, a voice, an example. What comes with that burden? What comes with wealth? Burden. Handle it accordingly. Don't get out of control. Don't be reckless. Be grateful. Have some perspective for the people that have positively helped your life. And sometimes we freak. Anybody I've seen have a fall, forgot that. Anybody I've ever seen who went like this, and there's a massive fall in this moment, they think they did it all themselves. Big mistake. So, anyways, I don't. Again, thank you, God. Tom, Amazing prayer. Vinnie, what you said previous to us getting into it and just watching Vinnie lately, when he's talking about his faith, every time Vinnie opens his mouth, I'm learning now, every time Vinnie goes into his faith and he's telling stories, and that was not the case two years ago. Vinnie, today, when he gets into faith, get your paper and pen out, because he's probably going to teach you something. You know, he's almost become like a little pastor on this podcast, and he doesn't even know it. So, anyways, having said that, let's get right into the stories, guys. If you're watching this, you're part of the 51% that watches and doesn't subscribe. Take a quick moment. Press that subscribe button. We're getting very close to 3 million. We'd like to take this thing to 5 million. With your help, we can make that happen. Having said that, let's get into the first story. I think the first story I want to get into is what happened with Iran yesterday. A major bridge was hit and this bridge that we're talking about is a bridge from Tehran on the way to Karaj. Rob, is this it?
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Adam
Yes, sir.
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Pat
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Adam
Really?
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Pat
Oh my God.
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Vinnie
Would you compare it to a pep like Brooklyn or, or George Washington?
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Pat
Well, no, but the point is when my dad would go to Kadash to work, you would go from Tehran. Uhhuh. So you're, you're driving back and forth and you know Karaj. You know the way to put Kara Karaj is like imagine you live in LA and Kara is Palm Springs. It's like a, you know, two hour drive. Two hour driving is gian. So I don't know when, what, what the drive is in a, in a Mercedes or a Porsche. But in his Gian Xian would go 45 miles an hour. Sure. So it's taking probably like an hour and 10 minute drive. Hour and 20 minute drive. But that happened yesterday. 95 wounded. Rob, how many killed? I saw number eight. Has that been updated yet?
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Adam
Let me take a look.
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Tom
Last, last I saw was eight as well.
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Pat
Yeah, last I saw is eight. Tom, what do you think's going on with this? Because when you're hitting something like this, strategically. What, what do you think is behind this, what do you think is behind this attack here?
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Tom
I, I think they're, they're upping it and hitting these kind of infrastructure targets are just trying to break the back of the regime. But this regime doesn't care about its own people. It was happy to slaughter 30, 42,000 and then they claimed, oh, only 3,100, which is horrifying in and of itself. No, no, no, we didn't do 31,000. It's only 3,100. Really. That's it more than nine, 11. So that's fine with you. And so I think they're trying to break the back of the regime and they're trying to hit key infrastructure. And I think it's also, there's another underlying thing here that I'm not on board with, but I think this may be part of the strategy. They're trying to get, I think the people to rise up and to say we want this done, this has got to be done, we've got to rise up too. I think that's where it's going. But it, this is so different from Venezuela. We only went in and got Maduro. We didn't hit any civilian targets. We wanted to leave the country intact and all the resources intact so the people of Venezuela could come back up and, and live tomorrow with working power and water.
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Adam
Right.
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Tom
There was all that talk about Venezuela, remember this? And so now this is like, wow, it's civilian targets. But that's what I think, Pat. I think there's two sided motivation going on here. And it, I don't like it.
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Pat
And by the way, this, this is a, there's a couple bridges there. This is a, this was a. U. S took responsibility for this one. Yeah, US Just came out and said we take responsibility for this bridge that was attacked. And the reason why it was an important one is because there's ongoing like, there's transport that happens from this bridge to different places with their drone development. Elon, where are you at with this?
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Adam
So I think the drone development issue is a massive issue which goes much deeper than just this. We're gonna have to rearrange the way we've historically fought wars. We, you know, drones are essentially. I hear that too. Do you guys hear.
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Vinnie
Yeah, I hear it. But you, the recording doesn't hear, so you're good.
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Pat
All right.
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Adam
Drones are essentially the new ied. They have to do whatever they can to get rid of them. And, but the, the optics of attacking civilian infrastructure, this is a, this is an interesting war in the sense that the biggest threat to the US in this war is not just what's happening in Iran, but the general morale of Americans toward the war itself. And as Americans see these kind of things, they tend to get more and more and more distasteful about our actions in the region. So I'm very much on, on Tom's side on this. It's clearly an escalation. They're clearly going in harder. I think they want this to end quicker, and I think they're in a rock and a hard place, and they're starting to do whatever they can. If this does limit Iran's drone capabilities, for whatever reason, if that was the intent behind it, I think that's the single most absolute, necessary thing that the US can do right now. Military bases can be swarmed, which, as we're learning, we don't have very good defenses against them. And it's just an incredibly costly thing. But no one wants to see human life being lost, civilians, infrastructure being targeted. And again, I just want morale to stay high out of the United States.
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Elon
I think the people of Iran are screwed, and it's going to get ugly. When Trump laid out his mission for what they wanted to do, the ancillary effects were, let's help the people of Iran. Let's maybe have a regime change. Those are all icing on the cake. I think they, they laid out what their military objectives were, did they not? They said Rubio came out and said it. We're going to eliminate their air force, we're going to eliminate their Navy, we're going to defund their terror network, we're going to stop them from going nuclear. All cleaning up. You know, there's like, you can clean up your house internally or clean up outside your house. I think United States is basically saying, clean up outside your house, stop attacking your neighbors, stop attacking the Gulf states, stop attacking Israel, stop shouting death to America. But whatever the hell you sickos want to do inside your house, that's on you. You want to kill your own people like you do, like you do so often, unfortunately, that's on you. That sucks. Nobody wants death. Nobody's here saying, we want war, we want death. The people that want death are the irgc. They're killing their own people. So someone's going to pay the price for Iran's disgusting ideology, and unfortunately, it's going to be their own people.
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Vinnie
Yeah, but I, I and Adam, you just saying that, not from you, like, just because I'm hearing it bothers me so Much. Because this whole thing was about the people, those thousands of people that on their own, it wasn't some bs. I saw her. Oh, people were there trying to incite. No, no. The Iranian people said after 47 years, enough is enough. And they went there with no freaking weapons, bats and sticks and stuff like that, and they fought the freaking military, okay? And the world finally saw it. Till they cut off the Internet.
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Elon
Okay, did we fight the military or they're doing a peaceful protest?
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Vinnie
No, no. Well, it turned into that. And then finally, by the way, and I saw videos of the irgc, because Iranians hiding in their apartments were recording the IRGC running and civilians driving over them. That's the only weapon that they had. You know, I mean. So my thing is this, Adam, the. And I'm going to keep going back to. And I hate to repeat myself, I was under the impression, like millions of Americans, that it was for the people. We all thought it was for the people. I thought. The nuclear capability was destroyed months ago, by the way. And Seymour Hersh Path, the journalist who, by the way, he predicted the Iran nuclear bombing back then. He predicted the Nord Stream. He's the first one that talked about the Nord Stream pipeline. He said Trump's speech was a ground war announcement. He said Trump was telling a, quote, telling the world that the ground war is on. As of today. Navy seals, Army Rangers are either en route or they're going to be in zones within striking range to the Strait of Hormuz and saying that he could have up to 50,000 fighters ready to clear the Strait and dig out enriched uranium from tunnels under the nuclear sites. And that's what he's saying. And by the way, now we just killed. Oh, I'm sorry. Seriously injured Kamal Kharazi, who was the lead negotiator. They killed his wife. He's almost going to die. We're taking out people like that.
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Adam
The optics on that are terrible.
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Vinnie
The optics are horrible. And. And then this leads to my thing, Pat, and I'm sorry, guys. I keep going there when. When we're like, why do we start this? I get it. And I'm with my mom and dad. Our families are from there. It was for the people. But when Rubio said, hey, the reason we hit first, because Israel said, we're going to do it without you. So we went first because we want to protect our interests. Those 13 soldiers that died are our soldiers. Those weren't ground troops. Those are Americans stationed at those bases, dead because. Because think about it. Marco Ribo, Marco Rubio Said, hey, Israel said they're going, so we had to go. So we were.
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Adam
I understand, but there's a very sad reality about the situation with Iran, which is uncomfortable no matter what, which is that they, they did lie about their nuclear proliferation. That was, you're right, we were told that we destroyed the base, the, the, with bunker busters. Then they lied about their intermediate range ballistic.
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Tom
We're talking about the, the hit last summer.
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Adam
Yes.
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Tom
B52s flying over for the first time, supporting Israel.
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Pat
Yeah.
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Adam
Which was a very clean strategic military operation that went well. But then what we're seeing now in terms of just what Iran has shown the world, it has shown the world it's willing to ENRICH Uranium past 60%. The only country in the entire world with non nuclear weapons doing that. And it's also lying to the UN watchdogs. Then what do we see next? What's the biggest threat to America from Iran? Arguably not the development of their nuclear power. The real threat is the development of their long range ballistic missile systems, which they lied about. They lied about it. This is a country that's yelling death to America, which is enriching uranium well beyond any utilitarian purpose and has now lied about developing long range ballistic missiles and proved it by literally launching them. So as much as we say Israel, as much as we say this, we do not in America have a national infrastructure to defend against ballistic missiles like Israel does. It's a much smaller landmass, they've been exposed to it for decades. And what we are in a position to do right now is either fight today, I believe, and I may be wrong about this, or fight in the future when they have this thing.
- [27:20]
Vinnie
But here's my question too though. When we went in on the summer and we bombed their nuclear spots, why at that moment just take out everything? Go for it then. Why wait now? Why wait this long? Because I'm telling you, from a military standpoint, this. Oh, now we just found out, we know everything that's happening over there, bro. We have satellite, we have imagery. The United States is the. We're gangsters, bro. We know everything. So the one thing that bothers me is. Let me finish. My point, please, is we know where everything is. We know where to bomb. Why in that moment didn't you just take it out? Because now when you say, hey, it's for the people now, the same people that he's saying they're screwed. I hate that attitude.
- [27:57]
Pat
Because they're sitting there or you're saying they didn't take it out. Like when, when they went and shot the nuclear go. Let me ask you a question. So let's just say we. If you remember, and I'm trying to recollect what, what happened 24 hours later, there were rumors that said that you didn't hit all the sites deep enough.
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Vinnie
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
- [28:17]
Pat
And then there were some rumors that they did. And then Trump came out and said, what? No, we hit it, it's destroyed, it's gone.
- [28:22]
Vinnie
Yeah.
- [28:23]
Pat
So here's the question. What if we didn't? And what if he knew we didn't and they still have it? And if you got that intel, you have two choices. Publicly announced that you screwed up and now successful mission is bad. Can't do it, and you have to control pr.
- [28:38]
Adam
Yeah.
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Pat
Number two, if you know we didn't go deep enough, what's your recommendation, Mr. Vinnie? What should we do?
- [28:44]
Vinnie
Strike up it again, obviously.
- [28:45]
Pat
Okay, so then that's the part that we don't have access to that.
- [28:49]
Vinnie
Yeah, and I agree with that because I'm not in those rooms.
- [28:51]
Pat
That's the point. That's the case. Knowing Trump is very careful on how he controls pr. Do you think Trump's going to come out and say, we made a mistake, we didn't go deep, that'll never happen in a million years. Versus he's going to say, we're going to go back and get the job done. So you have to assume that that could be.
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Vinnie
I agree.
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Adam
One of the possibilities.
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Elon
I just want to make an analogy here because I. What I want from you is clarity. And because what I know, what I love about you is your passion. What I'm trying to understand is, all right, so you're for it, you're against it, you want to help the people. They never said that. The number one objective was to help the people. That's a byproduct.
- [29:24]
Vinnie
Can we find out, Rob, what was the don't pay American people paying those
- [29:28]
Tom
young boys, I have your back.
- [29:30]
Vinnie
That was the first one that I heard, Adam, and it wasn't about that.
- [29:33]
Elon
That was before they announced their military campaign. They've come out and said, here's our objective. And we're still being like, what's the objective? They said, Rubio said it, Trump said it. Destroy their military capabilities, defund their terror networks, eliminate the nuclear threat. Regime changes. Bonus. Helping the people is a bonus. So here's my.
- [29:57]
Adam
The reality of the situation is an Iran post war without regime change results in inevitably the same thing. We see again, it's like maybe 10
- [30:05]
Pat
to 14 years, maybe.
- [30:05]
Adam
Even worse.
- [30:06]
Vinnie
Even worse. Oh, my God.
- [30:07]
Elon
Here's. Look, can I just make a very simple analogy?
- [30:10]
Adam
Tear it apart, get to it.
- [30:11]
Elon
Iran is a cancer on the world. The Islamic regime of Iran is a cancer on the world.
- [30:16]
Vinnie
I agree.
- [30:17]
Elon
How do you negotiate with cancer? Let me give you an example. You know the story with my ex
- [30:20]
Vinnie
girl, you don't kill. You don't kill the negotiator that. You don't do that.
- [30:23]
Elon
You don't know what you're doing right now. Okay, hear me out. You're asking, why did we do it? We stopped, we came back. Cancer can come back.
- [30:30]
Vinnie
I know.
- [30:31]
Elon
My ex girlfriend got cancer. Leukemia. Oh, my God, this is crazy. What are we going to do? She's young, she's healthy, she's beautiful. Oh, my God. Well, are we going to do chemo? Are we not. Are we going to do holistic? What are we going to do? Finally, the doctor said, listen, you have to do chemo. The only way to live and survive is to do chemo. Here's one thing you need to know. The chemo could. The cancer could come back. But that's something we'll deal with at the time. What's my point? The Islamic regime of Iran is a cancer on the world.
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Vinnie
I agree.
- [31:02]
Elon
You don't defeat cancer by being like, hey, can we be friends? Can we negotiate? Can you please be nice? It's coming to kill you. Whether it's killing you today or killing you next week or killing you next year, it's going to kill you.
- [31:15]
Vinnie
Yeah, but what about the body that the cancer is. And you don't just kill. Like, what about the person, the people? Adam, you can't just go in because the mission wasn't what they said that the mission was going to be. It's confusing.
- [31:26]
Elon
What you're doing is, is. Is negotiating how to handle cancer. You have to eliminate it. That's it. There's no further conversation other than we have to remove the cancer.
- [31:36]
Adam
But, Adam, you can't. You can't abandon all ethics at the argument of we have to destroy this thing. You become your ethics.
- [31:43]
Elon
Ethics. These people have no ethics.
- [31:44]
Adam
I understand that.
- [31:45]
Elon
Kill you.
- [31:46]
Vinnie
Well, like, there's still.
- [31:46]
Adam
There's still. So I understand both sides of this argument. Sometimes there's not a.
- [31:49]
Elon
We're not killing their people. They're killing.
- [31:52]
Adam
Well, I just. I believe that sometimes there isn't a happy ending. Right?
- [31:56]
Vinnie
So.
- [31:56]
Adam
And I understand that argument that there's a terrible situation, you're trying to find a solution to it. Neither Solution is great. That's the situation we're in with Iran. It's hard for people to accept that reality. But the end reality here also is you cannot come into a situation appealing to the American public. It's just a reality of politics and wars, despite what people believe, do need political backing. You do need your population to be behind you. And you can't come into a war expressing certain things like you're going to take care of the Iranian people, that you're not going to allow hangings, that you're going to do these things and then leave them abandoned. It's very much, by the way, akin to what we saw in Afghanistan with Biden leaving and then, you know, seeing the massive tragedy that happened there. You just can't do those kind of things, even if you can get away with.
- [32:40]
Pat
Eli, let me ask you this. I asked this question yesterday with Richard Werner and Luke Gorman. Is, is. Is Trump in a position right now where there is no way he can win? Because if he gets out, you know, hey, Iran won. And guess how Iran's gonna do in the public eye? They're always gonna say, well, we know Iran won. Underestimated. Iran won. Iran won. Iran won. Iran won. And that guy, the foreign minister, the guy that we always see on tv, Abbas, he's gonna be a hero. Okay, so that's one. Number two, you pursue it, you finish it. You think it's going to be done in a few weeks?
- [33:19]
Adam
No.
- [33:19]
Pat
So then that's going to be a long war. So what is win for him?
- [33:23]
Adam
So he's stuck in a rock and a hard place, even just with oil
- [33:26]
Pat
prices, I don't think there's winning for him, to be honest.
- [33:27]
Adam
What I will. Well, what I'll answer is sometimes it's okay to be hated today, to realize down the path. You were right.
- [33:33]
Pat
I agree.
- [33:34]
Adam
And I think that's his situation.
- [33:35]
Pat
Do you think he has the. Do you think he has the patience to be able to do that, knowing the amount of pressure he has with World cup and midterms around the corner?
- [33:44]
Adam
I think Trump is the kind of guy who will not just back out just due to his ego alone.
- [33:50]
Pat
So now if he leaves today, if he leaves today and Iran goes back to what they're doing, okay, Iran is always gonna say, we defeated Trump. They're gonna say that forever. Yep, we defeated Trump. And there's nothing you can say about it. He's not going to be okay with that. Number two Americans, if he continues, if the gas prices continue this way till April 15th.
- [34:18]
Adam
Yeah.
- [34:18]
Pat
And we had Luke Gorman and Richard Warner on. If this continues this way, now you have a global recession take place. Now this becomes Covid 2.0, like, in its own way. Now, you know, Richard, who is the godfather of quantitative easing, comes out and says, don't be surprised if there's talks of quantitative easing in the next few months. So imagine now the government comes out and says, we gotta bail ourselves out for this war. HECSETT asks for $200 billion. They do quantitative easing, and they take out a trillion, trillion and a half. And that's gonna be, you know, going. Buying bad debt from banks and trying to get that money to get back into the marketplace so they can manipulate the market to be okay again. Where is the win here? Where's the win, Tom? Where do you see the win here?
- [35:03]
Tom
I don't think there is. And I think people have to look back at history and understand what happened here. Because Bill Clinton screwed up. He screwed up on North Korea in 1994. There's a very, very large body of work that was written about this called the Seoul Hostage Problem. Seoul, South Korea, was held hostage because North Korea had such a stockpile of conventional weapons that they threatened to rain them down on Seoul if we attacked. I think it was called the Yongbyon. Yongbyon, Something like that. A reactor. And Clinton was told by the military, if we don't hit and we don't do something here, North Korea becomes a nuclear power, and it's run by a crazy man. You can't do this. Guess what he has in common. He doesn't care about his own people. He'll let them starve to death. He'll torture them. Gee, sounds like the IRGC. And so Bill Clinton backed off in 1994, and we ended up with a nuclear North Korea. That's what happened. Japan was pissed about it. They knew there was going to be issues because they saw themselves as the second victim. They said, it's not just going to be South Korea if they get the nukes. It's now going to be us because we are. They. They refer to themselves. Japan called themselves the Western target because they're seen as a Western country. He said, listen, they're going to hit us because when they hit us, it's like hitting the US Economy because of all the trade.
- [36:28]
Pat
Right? So what? North Korea. It's a point you're making, Tom. I don't want you to get off the point. North Korea is to Japan what Iran is to Israel.
- [36:37]
Vinnie
That's right.
- [36:37]
Pat
Is that a fair assessment?
- [36:38]
Tom
That's right. And Iran is dropping conventional weapons on Qatar. Why are they dropping them on their Arab brethren? No, they're not. They're dropping them on people who are half friends or friends with the usa, trying to get those friends to speak up and say, trump, make him stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop what you're doing. That's what they're doing. They stockpiled the drones and the conventional to give them the ship shield of deterrence so they could finish their nuclear ambitions. And it goes now, it goes to like this, you know, I, I, I'm, and you know, comments are going to hit me about AIPAC and everything like this. I am not on that page and not on that conspiracy page at all with me at all. But I will tell you this. Give every, every weapon imaginable to Iran. Israel's gone in a week. Give every weapon imaginable to Israel. Nothing happens. Take every weapon away from Israel, Israel's gone in a week. So you just play the chess game out in the Middle east and see what the outcome is here and what they're trying to do. I hate this war. I hate what's happening. I hate the loss of life. But we need to look back. And the reason we have a crazy man with nukes in North Korea is because the Clinton administration, led by Bill, he's got to own it. And the people around him chickened out.
- [37:54]
Pat
So this is where, this is where I go, though, Tom. And this is the sequencing of what you said and what you said. And the question I asked leads me to this. Sometimes you know what you have to do as a leader. Sometimes you sit there as a leader, you look at everybody and you have this camp that doesn't agree with this decision, and you have this camp that doesn't agree with that decision. And this is the worst place to be as a leader. Yeah, worst place to be as a leader. You have to sit there and you know what I need to do? Turn off the phone, Tom. Okay. Turn off the computer. Turn off everybody, get the hell away from everybody. And ask yourself, you were selected, you were elected to be the president. With all the information you have right now, what do you think is the right thing to do? Not what the right thing is to do politically, to win midterms, not what the right thing to do is financially, that's gonna benefit your pockets. What is the right thing for you to do long term as a president? There's only one person that has the answer to this question, and it's him. Yeah, he's in such A cornered place as a leader with the amount of burden he's carrying today. And he knows what Clinton's did with Korea, North Korea. He knows the history of what other people did in the district. He knows that Obama gave him a. You know how many pallets. Pallets of cash that none of it went to what they said they were going to do. He knows the reason why Iran became so powerful is because of Obama. He knows that. He knows that this whole thing that why Iran is able to stand tall and, you know, push people around is because Obama funded this war indirectly from whatever the year was. 08. I don't know what year.
- [39:31]
Vinnie
1.7 billion.
- [39:33]
Adam
He funded what were saying exactly.
- [39:35]
Pat
He knows all of this stuff. He knows it. He knows all of it. So guess what? What do you want to do? Here's the risk. Make the decision, move forward. This is not the place. Like, you know, Humberto, we're talking and what was it? Hey, Rob, Bad news, Bad news is what in the afternoon, good news in the morning? You know, the whole thing with the good news, bad news. Humberto, you want to text me that conversation that we were having? Did I say it correctly on the formatting? Right. Okay. So guess what? He can't be the PR guy right now. You can't think Apprentice Trump right now.
- [40:11]
Adam
Yeah.
- [40:12]
Pat
You can't think Twitter Trump right now. You have to think General Commander in Chief Trump right now. That's how you have to think. And then based on that, go ahead. By the way, whatever you choose to do, whatever Trump chooses to do, guess what's gonna happen?
- [40:29]
Adam
He'll be criticized.
- [40:31]
Pat
Whatever. There is nothing he can do right here. By the media and the tensions being high. However, once it's solved and we move on, history books will write about it.
- [40:42]
Adam
Yeah.
- [40:42]
Pat
And by the time he gets credit for this or not, it'll be 20 years from now he won't be around to be able to read it.
- [40:47]
Adam
Yeah.
- [40:48]
Pat
Do you understand what I just said? When he gets credit for the decision he makes Today, it'll be 2046 and he'll probably not be alive. It said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a reason. Take noise canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heighten taste?
- [41:05]
Tom
Mmm.
- [41:06]
Adam
That sound seems to show everything happens
- [41:09]
Pat
for a Reese's K Pop.
- [41:11]
Vinnie
Demon Hunters, Haja Boy's Breakfast Meal and Hunt Tricks Meal have just dropped at McDonald's.
- [41:15]
Adam
They're calling this a battle for the fans.
- [41:18]
Pat
What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle.
- [41:21]
Adam
So glad the Saja boys could take
- [41:22]
Pat
breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.
- [41:25]
Vinnie
It is an honor.
- [41:27]
Tom
No, it's our honor.
- [41:28]
Vinnie
It is our larger honor. No, really stop.
- [41:32]
Adam
You can really feel the respect in this battle.
- [41:35]
Tom
Pick a meal to pick a side
- [41:39]
Adam
and participate in McDonald's while supplies last.
- [41:41]
Pat
Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha Frappuccino drink? Or a sweet vanilla smooth caramel maybe? Or a white chocolate mocha. Whichever you choose, delicious coffee awaits. Find Starbucks Frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries.
- [41:56]
Tom
You know, there's two things there that I'll just back that up 100% with Pat, is Harry Truman said at the height of crisis. It was a longer statement he made. But the quote that gets, that gets repeated by Harry Truman is some questions cannot be answered, but they can be decided. And I was elected to decide them.
- [42:14]
Pat
Yeah, I just want to, to encourage him to get back and say out of all the, you know, he's a, what do you think? What do you think? What do you think Guy. This is not the what do you think Time. This is the time. What do you think?
- [42:27]
Adam
Yeah, and do it.
- [42:28]
Pat
Yeah, go do it.
- [42:29]
Adam
Can I, can I just touch on Tom's point, sorry, really quick, about a nuclear Iran, how it's different than a nuclear North Korea. It's fundamentally different. Number one, you're looking at a nuclear Iran will lead to a nuclear Saudi Arabia. All the countries in the region will want to have nuclear power. And then you have a bunch of
- [42:43]
Tom
they feel they have to, they will
- [42:44]
Adam
have to be self preservation. But this points to the next big issue, which is different than North Korea, which is that these people don't have a sense of self preservation. So it's, it's a different ideology. I try and make people understand this as much as possible. People see a nuclear Iran, you see guys out there saying, no, no, they have incentive to not use their nukes. Actually, it's the opposite. According to their ideology, they have incentive to use their nukes. So you can't just look at it and say it's comparable to North Korea because North Korea does have a sense of self preservation at the least. And that's the largest deciding factor in how dangerous you are when you have a world ending weapon. So I just think that's something that people have to really, what that's the
- [43:23]
Tom
problem was you're using conventional weapons to create this, this, this deterrence to give you a blanket and a, and a cloud so you can finish your nuclear 100% yeah, well, once those ambitions are done. Yeah. The. The character of the two bad actors is different. Yes, but it was. It's the same problem going in.
- [43:42]
Adam
100% agree with you.
- [43:44]
Pat
Yeah.
- [43:44]
Elon
Yes, there's an ideology problem. They're jihadists, but just like in real estate, location, location, location. No, Korea is in the other end of the world. Nobody was worried about North Korea. Iran is in the middle of the world. And Diego Garcia, I went to high school. Diego Garcia, apparently that's a base that we share with my brother, the U.K. yeah. Did they not shoot a missile that way that can hit it? Is it not also in the range of all of Europe? So, to me, it's a hostage situation. They have the Middle east and they have the world hostage. And we're saying, well, what do we want to do with the terrorists? What do we want to do with these people? And I just want to reframe one thing. I think we're winning. We're having a conversation of like, well, there's no win situation. We're going to lose this. Show me how we're losing respect to the fallen soldiers. I mean, God bless.
- [44:39]
Pat
There's two different victories.
- [44:40]
Elon
Okay. But we're winning right now.
- [44:42]
Pat
There's a victory.
- [44:42]
Elon
There's no way Iran can say that they're winning.
- [44:44]
Pat
There's a victory and there's a PR victory. Pr. He's losing. And he is so concerned sometimes about PR that it gets him to make the decision. So he is. He's a guy that pays attention to PR a lot.
- [44:55]
Vinnie
A lot.
- [44:56]
Pat
So pr, He's. He's losing. This is. I've never seen. This is. This is not at the levels of. You know, there's two things right now that. The way they're losing pr, it's this and Epstein. Okay, those two. But PR wise, they're losing. They could be winning behind closed doors, but on the PR side, there's not a winning with this war here. Well, not short term, in my opinion.
- [45:21]
Elon
Not short term, but long term. It's an investment.
- [45:23]
Vinnie
No, no.
- [45:24]
Elon
So if you ever look at. Do you have a 401k?
- [45:28]
Pat
Yeah.
- [45:28]
Elon
It's a weird analogy when I use it. Your 401k, you can't touch for 40 years.
- [45:32]
Vinnie
Yeah.
- [45:33]
Elon
You're not going to see the benefit of it. But I look at my 401k that I started when I was dead.
- [45:37]
Pat
This is actually. You know what's a better analogy, Adam, is the business you and I are in. Which is what?
- [45:41]
Elon
The life settlements. Insurance.
- [45:43]
Pat
Life insurance business. This is not even 401k.
- [45:45]
Elon
Yeah.
- [45:45]
Pat
Because you know who does life insurance? The future generation does. It is life insurance for you? No, I think this is life insurance for American people long term. But you never get credit for it until you're.
- [45:55]
Elon
And you're never going to see it short term. That's what I'm getting.
- [45:58]
Pat
But what I'm saying is everything was. And I'm going to move on. I don't want to stay on this topic. I want to move on to the next story. We got a lot of good stories to get through. What I'm saying is he needs to just go make the decision and stick to it.
- [46:10]
Adam
Yeah.
- [46:11]
Pat
And make your adjustments, trust your instinct. You're going to have a lot of noise that's coming your way. You're not going to win the PR war here. You're not. You're not going to win the PR war here. You have access to the information, make the decision, move forward and let the criticism drop. And the way this world works, stories go, they come and go. Oh, yeah, they come and go. They come and go. And then story cycle will change to the next one. Let me get to the next story here that I got. Pam Bondi, Trump fires Ban Pambondi yesterday. Lots of stories come out. Okay, a lot of stories. So you got Kristi Noem is gone, some say because of balloons, but whatever. Christian home is gone.
- [46:47]
Vinnie
Party now.
- [46:47]
Pat
Pam Bondi is gone. The announcement is made all over the place and there's a lot of stories that are coming out with this Pambondi firing. They're the White House. Rob, first play the clip. Let's read this one here. Pam Bondi is a great American patron, true lawyer friend who faithfully serves as Attorney General. Over the past year, Pam did a tremendous job overseeing a massive crackdown in crime across this country where murders plummeting to their lowest since 1900. We love Pam. And she would be transiting to a much needed and important new job in the private sector to be announced at a later date. And our deputy attorney general and a very talented, respected legal mind, Todd Blanche, will step in to serve as the acting Attorney General. While that's being announced, Rob, there is stories that came out. Todd Blanche was asked about the rumors with Eric Swalwell. I think you have that clip, Rob, Go for it. Here's Jesse asking Todd Blanche the question about what's the reasoning for this having to do with her relationship with Eric Swalwell? Go for it.
- [47:46]
Adam
Pam Bondi, too, but she didn't.
- [47:48]
Vinnie
She didn't give Swalwa a heads up
- [47:49]
Adam
on the Fang Fang files, did she?
- [47:51]
Tom
I would not believe that for a second.
- [47:54]
Adam
Absolutely, positively not.
- [47:56]
Pat
Okay.
- [47:57]
Vinnie
Yeah.
- [47:57]
Pat
Tom, what do you think?
- [47:58]
Tom
So there's a lot of rumors that flow down whenever there's a change in administration. Here you go. It's, you know, it's the parlor game of what really happened, what was really said, what was, you know, behind it all. You know, I think the fact that that's being brought up, maybe there's some. I only give that probably about a 20% credence. If she did that, that would be such a lapse of judgment because it was so high stakes at that time. It's like three things can happen and two of them are bad. One is nobody finds out about it. Second, Swalwell or somebody talks about it, and third, somebody on her team talks about it. It's like, I just, I see the rumors. I see that because everybody wants a reason, Pat. Right? Everybody wants, okay, what's the real reason here? She's going, by the way, she's going to a job in the private sector. Okay.
- [48:46]
Pat
You know, what do you think happened?
- [48:49]
Tom
Honestly, I like Pam, but I'll tell you objectively, if I was her manager sitting down there, I said, pam, you got caught talking in a restaurant about the Epstein files, then you had to do this, this press conference at the front of the White House, and then we had leaks and things going on. This project just hasn't been handled very good at all. You and I both run businesses, and I've been able to sit with you and be a part of your businesses. And I've seen where we have to talk with good people about this, say you just didn't do a good job there. You just didn't get it done. I gotta make a change. It doesn't mean you hate the person at all. It doesn't mean you don't think they'll thrive in some other job and you may help them get that other job. But I think that the Epstein files and what was going on there and just kind of the way that was handled, I don't think it was a passing grade and they made a change.
- [49:39]
Adam
Yeah, I think Tom nailed it. I think you said it previously, the only thing that can really hurt Trump outside of Iran and the economy, arguably, is the Epstein files. I think it's one of the few things that's nonpartisan. I think every American citizen wants transparency, wants it released, and most politicians are fighting against that. And Trump came in very strongly on that premise, that he's going to get the information out and we haven't seen it happen. And it needs morale now.
- [50:03]
Vinnie
Well, I think her getting fired, besides everybody else, Kristi Noem, the whole crew, this one was the most. One that was overdue. Okay? She's had a year and two months to bring actual justice. Instead, we just got TV appearances, her yelling in front of Congress, and empty promises. Think about this, Tommy. Under Merrick Garland, the Attorney General under Biden. In less than a year, the Department of Justice appointed Jack Smith, built 44 federal cases against Trump. Two major cases expanded January 6th. Prosecutions prosecuted 1500 people that were just standing there. Grandmothers that were there with a flag were put in prison. Okay? They didn't love it or hate it. That proved that an actual attorney general that cares about that, like, cares, but does what they're supposed to be doing in that sense, fast at scale and force. That's what they want to do. So the question becomes, if he could do it, why did Bondi spend so much time promising stuff to people like me? I'm the base. I'm. The Trump race has been down with him since 2016. No accountability that I voted for. No Fauci, no Russiagate, no justice to the censorship machine about the government. Big tech, no accountability for Mar A Lago, the Catholic targeting memo, the lawfare crowd, or the weaponization of the doj. And the FBI going to Twitter, paying the money, suppressing the Hunter Biden story. And then the biggest thing, like you guys said, is Epstein, that right there. And he said it. He said it first was the biggest, like, shot in the, like, what the hell? Self inflicted gunshot wound.
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Pat
Biggest fumble.
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Vinnie
The biggest fumble. You go on camera and you say, you have what she say? Tens of thousands of videos involving kids. And this is the most important of this. She didn't know she was being recorded. So that's when you're saying the truth. Yeah, she's speaking the truth. And then when it leaked because of James o', Keefe, she had to come out and say that, okay, Instead, you know what? We got, Elon? We got binders. That was the most bothersome thing. Binders. Social media content creator.
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Tom
And it's who received those binders? Those binders weren't given out to Department of Justice or given out to congressmen heading up maybe committees or they were going to have hearings. They were given to who got them. Libs of TikTok. D.C. drano.
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Adam
Yeah.
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Vinnie
Jack Jackson. Yep.
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Tom
Scott Pressler. Right.
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Pat
Yeah.
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Tom
They give out to influencers.
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Pat
Yeah, yeah.
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Adam
We live in the Twilight Zone.
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Vinnie
Yeah.
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Tom
Why not? Line up, say, hey, here's the people going to run the hearings. And here they go.
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Pat
This is a good fire. I actually support the firing. I think it's the right move. And by the way, let me tell you, I said this yesterday on Twitter is, you know, politics is a very, very nasty game, okay? It's not for everybody.
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Vinnie
I agree.
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Pat
One day you're a rock star, next day you're a laughingstock. And it's. But it's attractive because it's a contact sport, so people want to get into it. But guess what? This is not going to be a good week for Pam Bondi. She's got to kind of go through it and move on to the next phase and look for the rest of her family's life, her grandkids or her family is going to say what? My, my, you know, Pam Bondi was the former Attorney General.
- [53:04]
Vinnie
Go ahead.
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Pat
That's history books. That's permanently cemented. So good for you. You did your party, went all the way to the top. Now go do whatever you're going to be doing next. But the next move. Now, I wonder what Todd Blanche is going to be doing now. So, for example, Todd Blanche comes in, so I have a meeting with him. So, okay, Todd, how do we handle now? You got it. What's your new plan for Epstein? What are we going to do it? Because this is an opportunity for Todd Blanche. To do what? Help Pam Bondi save face and come up with a better approach with Epstein. Okay, so if he comes out and he says, hey, he's defending Pam Bondi, but he also comes out and aggressively moves quickly with certain topics, people may be like, oh, wow, so it was Pam Bondi. Todd Blanche is moving more assertively. It helps the President. This could be a good move. So I don't know what's going to happen with Todd Blanche. I hope he doesn't become a vanilla ag where you come in and you don't really do anything. You just kind of stay quiet and go under the radar and nothing really happens. Rob, is this a clip as well you have from last night?
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Adam
So I have two.
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Tom
This is Todd Blanche talking about what the Department of Justice is currently. And then I have a separate clip
- [54:06]
Adam
where he's asked if Pam Bondi was fired because of the Epstein.
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Pat
Let's. Let's listen to both. Go. Go for it.
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Tom
Okay. I will tell you this. You are right. This is an important, long overdue objective. Just today in Los Angeles, we had a takedown. Eight individuals were arrested for allegedly bilking over $50 million of intended loss from, from our taxpayer monies. And yes, this includes leadership in state governments. Our investigations do, because guess what? They are in many ways the actual conduit. They're letting it happen by not doing anything to stop these individuals stealing from the American people. And so you're going to see this Department of Justice pour all of our heart and soul into immigration.
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Pat
Pause the right. Let's go to the next one. Rob, let's go to the next one, the Epstein one. Go for it.
- [54:52]
Adam
Now, the Epstein files, you'd agree, not handled well.
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Tom
And I don't. First of all, I have never heard President Trump say that the Attorney General was that anything that happened to her had anything to do with the Epstein files. And so look, the Epstein files has been a saga that's lasted for the
- [55:09]
Adam
entirefor the past year.
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Tom
And what happened when the President signed the Transparency act is the Department of Justice has now released all the files with respect to the Epstein saga. And the Attorney General Bondi and I have taken appeared in front of Congress voluntarily a couple weeks ago to answer any questions they had. We have made every single congressman, Senator, available to come and see any document redacted, unredacted that they want. And so I think that to the extent that the Epstein files was a part of the past year of this Justice Department, it should not be a part of anything going forward.
- [55:43]
Vinnie
Okay, well, I have one more clip I sent Rob about. You want to if he's going to be vanilla or how he's going to be. I just sent it to Rob. Pat, you guys have to understand, he's out of all people, that's Trump's old lawyer. He's the one that went to interview Ghislaine Maxwell, and then she got moved to a more pushy, poshy prison cell or whatever you want to call it. By the way, she came in after Acosta, Alex Acosta in Florida. Her connection to Epstein is so intertwined. She wasn't there for him, but after he was gone, she came in. They didn't pursue anything for Epstein, if you want to know, Pat, his attitude towards it. Look at the question they ask and look at his response and you guys tell me what you think he's going to be pursuing after this.
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Pat
Go ahead.
- [56:22]
Vinnie
And then I have one thing to say. You said this is the end of
- [56:25]
Adam
the Epstein, of your review of the Epstein files. So just to clarify, is the public going to learn the identities of the men who abused the girls with the information that you're releasing? And if not, why Not. And then I have a quick follow up.
- [56:42]
Tom
You just baked in an assumption into your question that I have never said and I don't know to be true. Is the public going to learn about
- [56:50]
Adam
men that abused these girls?
- [56:52]
Tom
Like, what does that mean?
- [56:52]
Vinnie
What do you mean, what does that mean, dude?
- [56:55]
Adam
Well, I mean, the men who abused the young women through Epstein's.
- [57:04]
Tom
We said in July, and it remains as true today as it was in July. If we had information we, meaning the Department of Justice, about men who abused women,
- [57:16]
Adam
we would prosecute them.
- [57:18]
Vinnie
Right?
- [57:18]
Tom
We talked about the work that we're doing. That's why I said that. I said this earlier.
- [57:24]
Vinnie
He's so gas. Because they're all connected. And I want to say this, Pat. FYI, Pam Bondi is supposed to go in front of the House oversight committee on April 14th because of Epstein files number one. Number two, Thomas Massie came out and he congratulated Todd Blanche, and he said, now, this is yesterday. You have 30 days to release the rest of the files. So that's a lot because there's over 3 million left. He goes, I'm sorry, you have 30 days to release the files before becoming criminally liable for failure to comply with the Epstein Files Transparency Act. We're being gaslit, bro.
- [57:54]
Adam
You know, it's interesting. You said earlier today you feel like something spiritual is going on in society. This, to me, is the ultimate. You want it. You want to look at the most evil, disturbing thing, and it's done by. People have all the power, all the control. We're sitting here. We feel helpless. And if you were going to attack anything, destroy anything, you would destroy God's most beautiful creation, children. And it's just. I don't know. I can't. I get very emotional sometimes when I walk. Makes me very upset. I don't know.
- [58:19]
Vinnie
I really.
- [58:19]
Adam
It's one of the things that drives me crazy.
- [58:22]
Pat
Oh, by the way, you can replace PAM Bondi, Todd. 50 different times. The American people are not going away with Epstein. I really hope that you can replace anybody you want. Green. It's not going away, Adam.
- [58:38]
Elon
I don't want to go Epstein. I just. I want to stay here on Trump. Look, I figured out kind of how Trump operates. Everyone's kind of speculates how Trump operates. You tell me if you agree or disagree with this. You've heard of the hot crazy Matrix? Never heard of that. Crazy Matrix.
- [58:55]
Adam
The hotter the girl.
- [58:55]
Elon
The hotter the girl, the crazier she is. You got to figure out, is she crazy? Is she not? Then you kind of Figure out what there goes from there. Okay. You've heard of the Navy Seal Trust vs Skill Matrix? The Navy SEAL want people to trust. They obviously want high skilled, but trust is more important than skilled. What's the Trump matrix? In my opinion, it's loyalty and competence. The number one thing is, are you with me or you're against me? If you're not loyal, that's it. There's no place in this administration for you. But are you competent? Are you actually good at your job? Do you have skill? Are you talented? Are you going to help me win? We're going to win so big. So to me, everyone is judged on this matrix. Are you loyal or disloyal? Are you basically screwing things up or doing a good job? And that's how Trump operates. To me, loyalty for Trump will get you in the door, but competence will keep you in the house. Just like in a dating situation, to use the hot crazy matrix, beauty will keep you in the door and get you in the door. Inner beauty of being a good person will keep you in the house. So to me, Trump is looking at everybody. JD Vance Rubio, RFK Bondi, Kristi Noem goes, are they loyal? Are they with me, and are they doing a good job? And to me, if you want to question Pam Bondi, do you think Pam Bondi was loyal? I think she was pretty damn loyal. I think her flaw was competence.
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Adam
J.D.
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Elon
vance, in another capacity, is he loyal?
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Pat
Maybe.
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Elon
Maybe there's some questions. I don't know. Is he competent? Yeah, it seems so.
- [60:25]
Pat
Yeah.
- [60:25]
Elon
That's how you judge Trump.
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Tom
Remember his first pick? His first pick was Matt Gaetz.
- [60:29]
Vinnie
Yeah.
- [60:30]
Tom
And the Senate told that there were 64 senators that said, we will never vote for Matt Gaetz. So it was impossible.
- [60:37]
Elon
Confirmation for Attorney general, you're talking about
- [60:39]
Tom
for AG he was the one. Trump wanted a pit bull. He wanted a pit bull to go out and prosecute the people that had illegally prosecuted him and to go right those wrongs, those real things. You look at all the things that he went through, and I'm not a cheerleader for him. Forget his name is Trump. Just go down the list and say a sitting president and then a citizen after he left office was subjected to all of this and how much of it turned out to be wrong?
- [61:05]
Pat
Yeah.
- [61:05]
Tom
Why wouldn't you want it, people?
- [61:07]
Elon
You're saying he wanted a pit bull, but he got a Chihuahua on Pam Bundy.
- [61:10]
Tom
No, I didn't say that. You just said that I would never.
- [61:13]
Pat
I inferred that what I would say. What I would say is the following. There is, there's difference between competency. I would add one more thing to it, to that trust competency. And I would add one other one. It's media prepared. And she, she failed in the media side. She did when she went into hearing that was not good. When she didn't realize. When you're in the market and you have to always assume cameras are on you and you know people are asking a question at a coffee shop. Media trained, you have to know. You have to be bulletproof with secret sauce. You know, I always explain the circles. You got people that are in different circles and you have the smallest circle where you open up and talk about anything. And you'll always test the circle by dropping stuff that nobody else will know to see if it leaks out. And like, ah, that guy's. I can't trust that guy and going out. So you have to make sure who you trust. The loyalty part is there, but it's also not bragging about the intel that you have. Some people want to brag about the intel that they have. Some people won't say, let me tell you how important I am. No, it's not about you. So, you know, it's not easy. There's a, there's a mob element to it. When you're hiring certain people on your team. And by the way, you know what else you do? You always, sometimes also you bring people on your team that you intentionally use them and they don't even know it as the person to leak information.
- [62:29]
Vinnie
Yeah, yeah.
- [62:30]
Pat
They don't even know why they got hired. Like, why does he have me in my. Because you don't realize I intentionally, when I want the market to know what's really going on, I'll tell you and I'll tell you not to tell anybody you're telling. So I know how to use you
- [62:41]
Elon
as you ready for the next thing that they're going to say about Trump. By the way, I agree with you in the media savviness, that's obviously a major component. The next attack line on Trump is that he hates women. Look at him. He fires Christine.
- [62:52]
Pat
I don't think, I don't think that's.
- [62:54]
Adam
I don't think it's not going to work.
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Elon
You don't think that the media is going to attack Trump.
- [62:56]
Pat
They already are.
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Elon
Women.
- [62:57]
Pat
They already are.
- [62:58]
Tom
The media is capable of every. Everything. But I think that's a. Oh, now
- [63:01]
Pat
we're giving the media the benefit. No, no.
- [63:03]
Elon
Okay, it's got it.
- [63:05]
Pat
It doesn't have Credibility because of all the stuff they tried with him. That's going to do nothing. Let me get to the next one. You know who is winning? You know who is winning with all this stuff that's going on? Quietly, the Santis really tell. Yeah, I tell you why. I tell you why. Because DeSantis, you know, his flaw is marketing. His flaw is, you know, thinks very highly of himself. His flaw is lack of being. What's the word? You know, loyal. Not loyal. No, not loyal. I would say lack of. He, he, he thinks very highly of himself and he doesn't fully understand the power structures, at least he did in four or five years ago. But let me tell you something. The guy, if he believes in something, he's going to go out there and do stuff that the other guys simply don't have the brass to do it. That's why he's, in my opinion, the greatest governor we have in America is Governor DeSantis.
- [63:57]
Vinnie
I agree, hands down.
- [63:58]
Pat
Take all the marketing stuff away. This is a guy I hired 10 out of 10 times.
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Elon
You sure it's not JB Pritzer or Kathy Hochul?
- [64:05]
Pat
So Governor DeSantis signs Florida's version of the SAVE Act. Rob, if you want to play this clip, Florida's version of the SAVE act, here's Governor DeSantis. Go for it.
- [64:16]
Adam
Our Constitution in the state of Florida says only American citizens are allowed to vote in our elections. And so we need to make sure that that is the law.
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Pat
There you go. Okay. So this protects and expands integrity in our voter registration process. Our Constitution, the state of Florida says only American citizens are allowed to vote in our election. So we need to make sure that is a law. And, you know, this law, most of which won't take effect until the midterm elections, is Florida's version of the federal SAVE act bill President Trump has championed. That measure is currently stalled in the US Senate, where it lacks 60 votes needed to advance under current rules. Democrats and voting rights advocates warn Florida's law will disenfranchise eligible voters who lack already lack ready access to documents that are needed to vote. Tom, your thoughts on this?
- [65:09]
Tom
Well, it's interesting that once again, the best governor in America is bucking the national trend. And he's doing it, I think, with the right kind of attitude and the right kind of legislation. Remember Covid, who stood up to it? Texas did, but certainly, certainly DeSantis did and took a lot of heat. And he said, listen, UV is good. UV kills them. You know, people should be able to go to the beach okay, separate from yourself a little bit, but the beaches will be open. I'm not doing this. So as quickly as he could, he was countering everything that was going on on Covid, and it was like a wave he was fighting. And it turned out he surfed the wave successfully, and that's what's happening here. And then all the usual suspects, the people that are against it are the Democrat organizations that are out there that were aiding and abetting what was going on on voter fraud in other parts of this country. And so. Oh, you're gonna disenfranchise African American voters that don't know how to get id. There they go again, saying, oh, these people don't know how to do it. It's like you're saying a particular voting block, and it's insidious and terrible to me. Or don't have. Don't. Are not smart enough to go figure this out. Look, they get documents so they can get a driver's license. It doesn't have a red bar on it that says that. That you're not from around here. Yep. They do it so that they can get an i9 so you could show. You could go get a job and get W2 income. Oh, but they. They would be very confused if they had to prove this for voting. The usual suspects are speeding speaking up, but the usual, I think, you know, governor with a spine has already spoken, and I love what he's doing.
- [66:47]
Adam
I just think it's a soft bigotry of low expectation, as always, trying to manipulate the public. That's what the left's doing. They're just trying to manipulate the public. There's a great video from years ago where this journalist went out on the street and they started interviewing white liberals of, do you think black people can get IDs? And they're like, no, they can't. Then they ask black people, and they're like, what are you talking about? Why would I not be able to get an idiot? I don't even know how this is controversial. We have a massive population. You look at Europe. Europe, by and large, uses verification of citizenship, whether through a national database or identification. And they're supposed to be the more progressive, you know, the more open, and they still do it. And yet here we're saying, no, no, no, let's just. And people have also already have a massive distrust in our institutions. If you're already in a situation where you have controversy over our institutions, why not just secure them so the American public feels like their vote matters? I don't see why this is controversial. And again, I just see it as. As the left racist.
- [67:40]
Vinnie
Elon, let me explain something. It's so simple, it boggles our mind. Like, we go nuts. This is when you have a party, when you have no leader, when you don't have any, bro. I'm still waiting. When I asked Cuomo, like, what are the policies? Or I think it was Stephen Ayer, like, what do. What does the Democratic Party stand for? And it's always illegals. Remember the Maryland Mandalor? All this stuff when people get murdered, they don't even talk about in Chicago. They don't even.
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Adam
Drives me crazy.
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Vinnie
It drives me nuts. But, Elon, you and me both. But you know what it is, bro? When you don't have that, you have to protect the. Your. Your voting base is the illegals that you bring in that you promise the world. And mind you, some of these people are doing all this fraud and all this billions of dollars that funnels right back into their party. And it's. I was trying to quit. Like, what are we even talking about? And it's simple. You have to have your voters be on your side. So what better way to be? Like, hey, showing ideas. Everything goes to racism to them, bro. And he made a great point. What was it? Take one day. Take one day vacation. Do we have LGBT all these days? Take one day. All you pregnant women that got married or whatever the hell these stories are, Go get your id. Go get. Take a day. Go get your id. It's a federal holiday. Get your butt back to work and let's do the guys. That's the only. That's the only reason that they care about this thing. Don't. Don't people try to make it bigger? Not you. I'm just saying in general. Yeah, get an id. I have five of them. I have my military. I have my freaking veteran. I have my driver's license. I have my birth certificate. Give me a break.
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Tom
Yeah, I thought the 5 IDs was so you could vote 5 times in Georgia.
- [69:10]
Vinnie
That's. It might be that Vinny and I
- [69:13]
Tom
are going on vacation, man. We're going to vote ten times in Georgia. Try to stop us.
- [69:17]
Vinnie
Yeah, exactly, Adam.
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Elon
Yeah. Well, just once again, the future is Florida, you know, and we've all basically give Governor Ron DeSantis accolades, and he deserves every single second of them. There's levels to this game. It's amazing what a governor can do when they have three things. Common sense, a spine, and the ability to tune out the noise from all the haters because you're going to have noise regardless. And you know, Trump has all that common sense. The reason that Trump is in the White House right now, cuz he had more common sense than Kamala. So the next, the next thing that I want to be. Are you telling me that DeSantis is such an authoritarian and such a bully that he only believes that citizens of Florida should be able to vote? It's ridiculous. Gavin Newsom, on the other hand, is basically. What's the famous line he said? He goes, they're gonna have people at the polls talking about checking people IDs, making sure that they're citizens.
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Pat
He's winning.
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Elon
Isn't that only the citizens supposed to vote? Yeah, but the question is now. Yeah, desantis has the mantle. Who's next? Is it Byron Donald? Is it Jay Collins?
- [70:21]
Pat
It won't be Fish. He's winning now. He's winning. I like what Piers Morgan said to Fishback. He said, I'll bet you $10,000 you're not going to win.
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Elon
Did he really say that?
- [70:28]
Pat
Oh, you didn't see that?
- [70:29]
Adam
No.
- [70:29]
Pat
He said, I'll bet you $10,000 you're not gonna.
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Elon
I'll double that.
- [70:32]
Pat
What are you talking about? He says, I'll bet you. He says, what are my odds? What are my odds? Anyways, they kept going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and then eventually agreed on the $10,000 with, with fishback on what's going to happen there now while you, while you're finding that. How long. I'm not going to play the whole 254, Rob.
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Adam
It's not like 2%.
- [70:49]
Pat
Yeah, no, but listen, I think he's up to 3%. Let me tell you, Let me tell you one thing about Fishback. Fishback has the. If, if, if DeSantis had that marketing side of Fishback, because Fishback has marketing. And you need that crazy marketing shock jock statements to make. And he's not boring. The part that he has is he' but, you know. Is this the one, Rob? Yes, go ahead, play this. Let me say this.
- [71:14]
Vinnie
I'll bet you $10,000 to a charity
- [71:17]
Pat
of your choice, you do not win.
- [71:19]
Vinnie
You accept the bet. Well, well, I, I want to know what the odds are. Because Polymark, at what odds you get 10,000 against Mr.
- [71:31]
Pat
Perfect?
- [71:32]
Vinnie
Let's have a little 10 grand bet
- [71:34]
Pat
to charity on, on camera. On camera.
- [71:37]
Adam
Sure.
- [71:37]
Pat
I say you're going to lose.
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Vinnie
If you are this confident you're going to win.
- [71:40]
Pat
Take the bet.
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Vinnie
I'll take the bet. If you give me $100,000. That's the 10 to 1 on polymarket right now.
- [71:46]
Pat
If I win, you give me 100.
- [71:48]
Vinnie
If you're not confident you can win, I understand it. The odds are on Polymark. So you accept the Polymark is right.
- [71:54]
Pat
You're going to get shellacked.
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Elon
You accept it,
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Vinnie
including Sophie.
- [72:00]
Pat
Anyways, eventually he agrees to it. But the part I want you to show Rob is the following. Watch what DeSantis does. If DeSantis keeps playing this, he's gonna be a. He just, you know, the problem he made is he went after Trump and he should have never done it. And he didn't go approach him and ask him, why didn't you make the call? Why would I make the call? I'm one and a half million. Anyways, we're past that. Watch how he handles this year. Go ahead, Rob.
- [72:25]
Adam
I appreciate the legislature for passing this, but I will just say to my friends in the Florida House of Representatives,
- [72:35]
Pat
can you pause it real quick? So this judge released a child rapist while on bail. He raped and tortured and killed a five year old girl and she released him. And this is DeSantis responding to the judge on the right with the dimples. Go ahead, Rob.
- [72:55]
Adam
I don't think what you've done is enough. You have the power and you have
- [73:00]
Pat
sufficient numbers in your chamber to impeach
- [73:04]
Adam
this judge, Tiffany Baker. Until you start holding these judges accountable, they are going to continue to find ways to benefit the criminal element. This was an outrage. This was such an easy call to make sure that this guy was put behind bars and this judge refused to do it, knowing the risks. And the result has obviously been a tragedy. So Florida Constitution vests the House of Representatives with the ability to bring an impeachment against a circuit judge with 2/3 majority. You know, last time I checked, we've got way more than 2/3 of Republicans. Honestly, I think some Democrats would vote to impeach, given what happened in this case.
- [73:50]
Pat
Common sense, man.
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Elon
Common sense behind and tune out the noise. There he go.
- [73:53]
Adam
You nailed it. I mean, he has a real ability to just cut through everything. And in a very simplistic way that every American can understand, say, here's the problem.
- [74:03]
Pat
This is what I'd like to see him in the mix in 2028. I'd like to see him in there in 2028. You know, can you imagine if he was the aggressive and imagine if he was handling Epstein files? That would be very different story. I think that would be a very, very different story. Anyways, we can move on to the next story. Next I want to go to is the. The travesty that's happened in Nigeria. Rob, what page is that story on? I'm trying to see where the story is at. Actually, you know what? I'll go to the story and we'll go to that because it kind of goes together. JD Vance claims representative Ilhan Omar definitely committed immigration fraud by allegedly marrying her brother. Rob, you want to play this clip? Ilhan Omar and Tim.
- [74:48]
Vinnie
Exactly.
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Pat
Obviously, Ilhan Omar, the President and the
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Adam
White House have been out saying that
- [74:52]
Pat
she married her brother, that there is immigration fraud going on here. These are deportable denaturalization offenses. Can you give us an update on that?
- [75:01]
Vinnie
Yeah.
- [75:02]
Adam
So we actually think that Ilion Omar definitely committed immigration fraud against the United States of America. And I talked to Steven Miller about this actually recently. We're trying to look at what the remedies are. That's the thing that we're trying to figure out is what are the legal remedies.
- [75:15]
Vinnie
Now that we know that she's committed
- [75:17]
Adam
immigration fraud, how do you go after her? How do you investigate her?
- [75:20]
Vinnie
How do you actually do the thing?
- [75:21]
Adam
How do you build a case necessary to get some. Some. Some justice for the American people? There's a related issue, Benny, which is she has been at the center of a lot of the worst fraudsters in the Somalian community.
- [75:34]
Vinnie
So do I know that Ileanamar was
- [75:36]
Adam
aware of that the Quality Leering center
- [75:39]
Vinnie
was defrauding the American center?
- [75:40]
Adam
I'm not certain of it, but we
- [75:42]
Vinnie
at least need to investigate it. Because if people can commit wrongdoing without
- [75:46]
Adam
even the fear that they're going to be found out, that's a fundamental problem. So I'm worried about the immigration fraud.
- [75:53]
Vinnie
I'm also worried about what did Elian
- [75:55]
Adam
Omar know about what was happening in the Somalia community? And why was nobody looking into it until, frankly, Donald Trump came along?
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Pat
So let me tell you why this is important. So her representative respond. This is rich coming from someone who literally said they were willing to create stories to redirect the media, said Omar's chief of staff, Conor McNutt. This is a ridiculous lie and desperate attempt to distract from the pedophile protection party's unpopular war of choice, increasing gas prices and rapidly drop in polling numbers. The allegations have dogged the congresswoman since even before her house campaign in 2018. Omar has two ex husbands, Ahmed Abis Salan Hirsi and Ahmed Noor Said Elmi, traditional American names, the latter of whom was first accused at least a decade ago of wedding the future U.S. congresswoman. But Omar had married Hirsi in 2002 ceremony as part of her Islamic faith and applied for state marriage license, but the two weren't legally joined until 2018 January, the Minnesota star Tribune has reported. The month before that she dissolved her marriage with Elmy, a UK citizen whom she legally wed in February of 2009 as a part of a ceremony with a Christian minister in Ethan Prairie, Minnesota, according to a Hennepin county marriage certificate previously obtained by the Post. Vinny this episode is brought to you by Palmolive. Family time isn't just the big moments. It's weeknight dinners, sitting around the table, everyone talking all at once.
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Elon
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Pat
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Vinnie
this goes back to my point that I was talking about with Pam Bondi and the AG and it's like Republic when it comes to Republicans, Pat. They are this build a case. This is why people like me and people like you are losing their freaking minds. The documentation's there, the marriage records, the family records. If this was the other part, bro, can you imagine if this was the. The other part was in charge. She married her brother for legal. You're done. You're done. It's illegal. You're marrying your brother to get him immigration status. Does. Am I losing my mind?
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Elon
No.
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Adam
Well, I. They make you feel like you're losing your mind. Yeah, that's the trick.
- [78:21]
Elon
Like, I'm thinking crazy.
- [78:22]
Vinnie
Yeah.
- [78:22]
Elon
Yeah.
- [78:23]
Vinnie
And it doesn't stop there. But there's. This is my opinion. There is no way. There is no way. Tim Waltz. My opinion. Ilhan Omar, Keith Ellison, the AG of freaking Minnesota. They don't know Bill. Dude and billions. And this is what pisses me off, Tommy. They bring them to Congress to go in front of the Senate. Did you see Keith Ellison's attitude? Did you see him talking? The only way you have. If one of us right now had to go to Congress, do you know how proper. And he's sitting there with an attitude. The only way you have that attitude is when you know you're untouchable. When you know they can't do nothing to you. Just like when Peter Strzok and everybody during Russiagate came up. And they're like, no. No yelling. Yelling at congressmen and yelling at senators, Tom. Because they know they're untouchable. Add on top of all this stuff, bro, nobody gets accountable. It's so freaking frustrating to me because it's like, dude, what are we. What are we doing? What are we doing? We're going to build a case. We're going to send them a letter. We're going to. Republicans love doing this. We're going to launch an investigation. Really? Launch it to where? It's going to crash right down to the moon. No. And none of them, Elon. And I know. Tom, you want to say something. It infuriates me. This is why the country is sick of it. Endless investigations, endless claims, endless this. And somehow nobody on top gets in trouble. Zero. The only arrests, and I'll give it to you, were James Comey indicted. James Comey. Letitia James. And what happened two weeks after case dismissed the judge, somebody messed up the prosecutors, and nothing. Zero accountability. Go ahead, Tom.
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Tom
It doesn't surprise me that Omar is being accused of committing fraud and she's protecting people or complicit, you know, allegedly. We'll find out soon enough. Of people who are committing fraud. The thing that boggles my mind right now is very, very simple. It says, pat, when all the arguments happen and we're in meetings about this and that, what is the one thing in business that usually, you know, just causes all the smoke to clear Numbers. How much did you spend? Did you overspend your budget? We look at it. You did. So don't tell me this or that. Here's the numbers. Sales. You're telling me you had a good month. It's not. You're actually flat to last month and year over year, you're actually down. Numbers clear the air in business.
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Pat
Always.
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Tom
All we need to do is take the quality lyric and find out where the money made the u turn back to election coffers in Minnesota. Because that's what I believe happened. That's what I suspect happened. And where's the FBI? All you need is that as soon as you have a dollar meant for honest welfare programs that's fraudulently given to something like the quality learning session, and that dollar went back around to Omar. 24. A campaign. That's all you need. And then what they will have to say is, I didn't know it was coming from there. And that is weak. But it doesn't surprise me. I want to see. Let's stop the talk words. Talk number, scream. Let's audit let's get the investigation going and let's see where the money went, and then it's all done.
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Elon
Adam, look, Minnesota's an S hole almost first, and she's the main reason for it. It's pretty simple to me. Whether she married her brother or whatever the situation is, or the rice and the bananas, everything they got going on over there, they've ruined the state of Minnesota. My mom's from Minnesota. I used to go there every summer. I have no interest in Minnesota at this point. Minnesota is a nice, cold place. And now the people from the warmest place in the world, Somalia, Mogadishu, they're like, yeah, let's go to freezing Minnesota. Why? The question is why? How do they get there? To me, everything in politics is binary. Unfortunately. Once a third party candidate done anything. Ross Perot, rfk. To me, you're either on the Trump camp or you're on the Ilhan Omar camp. That's it. And I'm on the Trump camp.
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Pat
Yeah. And by the way, when you're. When you're seeing this going on for some of you guys that are wanting to become better parents, Gavin Newsom's wife yesterday gave some parental advice. Before you choose to take on this counsel by her brace for impact, let us give some commentary. But here's her advice of what to do with your young sons. Go ahead, Rob.
- [82:37]
Adam
I've given our boys dolls, even if they tear the head off, I've given them dolls to learn that care and caregiving is not just an activity that's reserved for women, but that it's also an activity that is a responsibility of men.
- [82:54]
Pat
It's a responsibility.
- [82:55]
Adam
What I've done with my daughters and my sons is if I'm reading a
- [83:00]
Pat
book and the protagonist is a male,
- [83:01]
Adam
I just change the he to a she. And it just normalizes. For my sons in particular, it's not even. I don't even just do it for my girls. I do it for my sons because I want them to see that women can be the center of a story, that women matter, that women are interesting.
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Elon
Wow.
- [83:19]
Tom
That's what I do when I read, you know, when I read to my kids about the Kennedy assassination, we're reading bedtime stories. I changed it to she, Harvey Oswald.
- [83:27]
Pat
You know, of course I. Tom. Take some notes, Tom. Because she's got more wisdom. Go for it.
- [83:32]
Adam
Like in this place in history maybe, where we're recognizing what it is to ultimately deconstruct all these gender roles and ultimately be human. And that's exciting to me.
- [83:46]
Elon
So,
- [83:48]
Adam
you know, I'll just continue to kind of do my work and try and deconstruct all of these, like, limiting narratives about ultimately, what it means to be human. You know, the left loves the word deconstruct. If you think about this, like, what are they actually always attacking? They're attacking truth. What is truth? Truth is God. I really believe that all this game of identity politics, of gender ideology is an attack on basic truths. It's to invert truth so that you can destroy the concept of God and then you can have moral relativism, which essentially leads to nihilism and chaos.
- [84:22]
Vinnie
And I've said this, Elon, like, if you think about. Can you honestly give me one? And I'm being honest right now. Tell me one Democrat Congress member big, big name that's ever proclaimed their faith of Christ. Have you ever Be honest right now. Could you think of one? No. Thank you. Zero. They are a godless freaking party. All that identity.
- [84:43]
Pat
New guy. The new guy. Who's the new guy that Rogan likes that he had on white guy. New guy that. When I spoke to Scott Galloway, he brought him up. Rob. What's his name?
- [84:52]
Elon
Pierre Poliev.
- [84:52]
Pat
No, no, Not. He's actually. He actually. You know who I'm talking about, Rob? Yeah, that guy right there. What's his name?
- [84:59]
Adam
James Talarico.
- [85:00]
Pat
James Talarico. Terrible name. Talarico.
- [85:02]
Vinnie
He's the crazy guy. What is it?
- [85:04]
Pat
Yeah. You know, this is the guy that
- [85:05]
Elon
thinks God is a woman. Yeah.
- [85:06]
Vinnie
He thinks God's a wolf.
- [85:07]
Pat
Oh, man. Saying to you, there is one Democratic side this to them, that they're Christian candidates. As much as you want to say what you want to say, you just listen to possibly the first future first lady of America. Say whatever you want. You just. On every couch, she numbers. You look at, she's up. That's the president.
- [85:30]
Tom
Yep.
- [85:30]
Pat
And that's the president's wife. Okay. I'm thinking AOC is going to have a bigger opportunity than him, but we'll see. We'll see what's going to happen. Yeah, right there. Gavin Newsom.
- [85:39]
Elon
It just proves one thing to me. California is not America. Everything that we've seen being exported from California doesn't align with American values. These people are so far left that in a presidential election, fill in a blank candidate from the right versus a blank candidate from the left. The American left, the Kamala Harris, the Gavin Newsoms, they don't represent the average American. If you would have told me three years ago that Trump is gonna win every swing State and the popular vote and have a complete mandate. After what happened on January 6, I said, you're out. You're crazy. You're absolutely crazy. There's no way Trump's gonna win. And then the Democrats are like, you know what? Hold my beer. Chicks with dicks. Men and women's sports. Let's go. Let's get crazy. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and now my boys are playing with dolls and it's all deconstructed. It's all fine. California is not America. And we shouldn't make America California. You know, they say, make America great again. Make sure that America is not California. Yeah, come up with a little slogan for that. Let the creatives come up with that. California is not America.
- [86:43]
Adam
The problem is the fracture on the right is make. We're distracted. We're no longer looking at the left, we're looking inside the right.
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Elon
I agree with that.
- [86:50]
Adam
And that's very scary.
- [86:50]
Elon
I agree with that. The only challenge is I think the fracture is manufactured.
- [86:55]
Adam
100%. It's manufactured.
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Elon
We're talking about it. It's not real, though.
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Vinnie
Manufacture fracture. That sounds.
- [86:59]
Elon
We're going to manufacture the fracture. We're going to fracture the manufacturer. That's what I'm talking about.
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Tom
You're saying is it's manipulated. It's manipulated.
- [87:06]
Elon
I'm saying it's manufactured the fracture.
- [87:08]
Vinnie
Well, it's only Ross.
- [87:10]
Pat
Yeah.
- [87:10]
Tom
The right's got to come together.
- [87:12]
Elon
Say that three times.
- [87:13]
Tom
What's interesting about manufacture the fracture? To your point, Elon, you know, the left does a good job of kind of rounding up the wagons. When they absolutely screwed Sanders in South Carolina, they wanted to create the momentum behind one candidate. So through the primaries, they're like, you're done. You're not going to get money from the dnc. We're going to undermine this. And all of a sudden, he was on the out. It's because they circled the wagons to go forward. And I think that's an example of where they do a better job than the Republicans do, of getting together and saying, pat and I have talked about this, right, Pat, who is the real enemy? And do we all fracture for ego? Do we fracture for personal gain? Do we just wanna run right now and just do it to get our hat in the ring, get our name out there and then sacrifice the election to other leaderships? People do that all the time. It happened in Boca for mayor. And so the Dems do a better job of circling those wagons than the Republicans do. And frankly, I hope you know that there's more capable and funded. I hope the fact that Newsom can't get above 19% nationally spooks a lot of people into supporting multiple Democratic candidates.
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Pat
Let me read this to you because you get more reports like this. Mass exodus from LA revealed in shocking new figures. The region recorded largest population drop of any in the nation between July 2024 and July 2025, according to Census Bureau. The data was published roughly 54,000 residents left the county during. This is the county, not the state left the county that one year period. The losses mark a continuation of. A continuation of a steady slide of the nation's most populous county, once home to more than 10 million people in 2020. Right now it's at 9.7 million people. Riverside and San Bernardino county together gained more than 21,000 residents over the same period, while the Las Vegas metro area saw an influx of more than 20,000 despite the outflow. Lake county still or something. Okay, so you're seeing numbers like this on what's going on with them. You're seeing numbers like this with la, with California. It's not a situation where data is benefiting. Kim, Meanwhile, he's up there. He gave a talk, I think it was last week. He started getting emotional, started crying, asked the camera to be turned off. I don't know if you guys saw this or not.
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Vinnie
And they didn't.
- [89:36]
Pat
And did you see this time on him crying? Like I was watching him? I'm like, right here, right here, Rob.
- [89:41]
Vinnie
I mean, dyslexia.
- [89:42]
Pat
Yeah, go ahead, Rob.
- [89:44]
Vinnie
I've ever been in.
- [89:49]
Elon
ADHD Avenue. I mean, everything about this is. I feel like I'm home, you know, dyslexics that are surrounded by, you know, these special folks, particularly the young folks there.
- [90:04]
Pat
So I'm grateful. I'm also weird.
- [90:10]
Vinnie
We know.
- [90:12]
Pat
Sean, you know,
- [90:15]
Elon
forgive me.
- [90:16]
Pat
This is embarrassing. You can turn all that off.
- [90:19]
Vinnie
They're not going to do that
- [90:22]
Elon
just because all the noise, you know, that
- [90:24]
Pat
we just need to turn off.
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Adam
He creates.
- [90:26]
Elon
And this is this is this.
- [90:29]
Tom
Listen to this.
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Pat
This is it, man. One of the greatest motivational speakers.
- [90:34]
Vinnie
I can't read like any of the Tony Robins.
- [90:35]
Pat
Better watch out. Powerful coming for you, Tony. Tony, I want you to watch out.
- [90:40]
Elon
Wow.
- [90:41]
Pat
I have awakened the giant within.
- [90:44]
Vinnie
What if he goes like this?
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Tom
I have a clause. It's not even a sentence. It's, I have a clause.
- [90:49]
Vinnie
What if he goes, guys, you see all those words underneath my podium? I don't know what the hell that means. Just like all of you, you're all dumb. That's him. He doesn't.
- [90:56]
Pat
By the way, do you think he's being authentic?
- [90:58]
Vinnie
Absolutely not. He is, you know, I think it is Pat. He puts a spell. I'm being dead serious with all the hands and all that. He is amazing at making, like. Because people listen, bro, if you have good hair, good gel, you're a handsome and you do well, people are just like, I don't know what the hell he said, but I'm. There's no other way. With the amount of stuff that he has destroyed, California people will still line up, they'll still stand behind them, they'll still cheer 100%. And he has a freaking spell on these people, bro. If they. He's. He's amazing at what?
- [91:30]
Pat
You know, Simone did a song many years ago called I Put a Spell on you.
- [91:34]
Adam
Good song.
- [91:34]
Pat
You remember? That sounds a very good time.
- [91:36]
Elon
Well, speaking of music, I remember when LA, CA used to be cool. LA and California just no longer cool. I don't know anybody that's like, yo, bro, I'm leaving Miami. LA dog.
- [91:48]
Vinnie
0 my mom.
- [91:49]
Adam
So weird.
- [91:50]
Elon
I know, I know. So many people have moved here from la, from Silicon Valley, and they're like, yo, we are.
- [91:55]
Vinnie
Look at all you guys.
- [91:56]
Elon
I remember Tupac, right? California love.
- [92:02]
Adam
Yeah.
- [92:02]
Elon
Live and die in la, Even get
- [92:04]
Vinnie
the singing over with.
- [92:05]
Elon
Even the song. What was the song? The famous we love la.
- [92:08]
Vinnie
Yeah. It's all.
- [92:09]
Elon
There was all this amazing music, amazing culture coming out of la, and now it's. We're weird, we're woke, we're gay, we got chicks with dicks. We want to have transitions, we want to deconstruct, we want to manufacture the fracture. California, what happened to you? You're the. The richest state in the country.
- [92:30]
Adam
Yeah.
- [92:31]
Elon
And you're. You're. You're broke, with. With ineptitude.
- [92:35]
Vinnie
Tell my mom, Adam. She's sitting on my couch right now to move here.
- [92:39]
Adam
She's in la.
- [92:40]
Vinnie
My mom's on my right now. She wants to go move here.
- [92:43]
Elon
Yeah, but seriously.
- [92:44]
Vinnie
No, I'm dead.
- [92:45]
Elon
You lived in LA how long?
- [92:46]
Vinnie
15 years.
- [92:47]
Elon
How long you live there?
- [92:48]
Adam
7 years.
- [92:48]
Elon
7 years?
- [92:50]
Tom
45. My adult life.
- [92:51]
Elon
Oh, my goodness.
- [92:51]
Adam
Yeah.
- [92:52]
Vinnie
You were there.
- [92:53]
Adam
Are you like, the coolest place in
- [92:55]
Elon
the human Question, is LA even cool anymore?
- [92:58]
Adam
I don't think so.
- [92:59]
Pat
Yeah.
- [92:59]
Adam
And it's crazy because the entertainment industry left LA for Atlanta, for New Orleans. Everything I've shot, everything I've shot maybe one or two shows in L. A, the rest in Atlanta, New Orleans, North
- [93:09]
Pat
Carolina, over you know you've done some stuff. You've done stuff. Well, you were on Walking.
- [93:15]
Adam
I was on Walking Dead for, for, on and off for a few seasons. I was in the Big Short briefly. I was supposed to have a big part, but we won't get into that.
- [93:22]
Pat
The movie the Big Short.
- [93:23]
Adam
Yeah, yeah. That's where I met Brad Pitt. And then I was on Deepwater Horizon. I have crazy stories from acting that's. You want to talk about a society that likes to deconstruct and get weird idea.
- [93:33]
Elon
Do you think California is ever going to have a bounce back?
- [93:37]
Pat
Let me tell you what's going on, guys. There is something, I don't know if we have a story here or not. There's conversations about the fact that a couple Republicans could potentially create some momentum and make it a little bit tough for California. Tom, you were sharing a number earlier today, the 15% number. You know which one I'm talking about. Yes. Maybe we want to get into it for Californians to have a little bit of hope. Go ahead, Tom.
- [93:59]
Tom
Well, there's only, statistically speaking, there's only about a 15% chance of it right now. But what happens in California is this
- [94:07]
Pat
a town where it says we know there's a risk ahead, a 15% chance of calamity. It's not a 15% chance of stubbing your toe. It's a 15% chance of losing the governorship, losing the down ballot races.
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Elon
Tom, I'm excited for this. I see a lot of highlighted notes over there. Tom, let's do it.
- [94:20]
Tom
What, what it talks about. I put a post out about two weeks ago about the governor's race in Boca Raton, Florida. And this is exactly what happened. Two Republicans stayed in head to head with each other. And because it was, you know, not a primary, there's not a primary to say there will be one Republican. You had three people there, a Democrat and two Republicans. And the Democrat got elected with by just a couple votes with 39% of the vote. So congratulations. Boca tone. Florida now has a mayor that they didn't that 61% of the people did not want cause he got 39% because the other two split the vote. This is coming to California. What they're worried about, they're worried about too many Democrats on the ballot path. That's what they're worried about. And if there's only two Republicans and too many on the ballot, could one of them be like a 39% winner? And that's why they're saying, well, there's only about a 15% chance of losing the governorship. But the fact that they're even talking about is telling you what's up. And they're also very, very worried about what has been. Regardless of the economy, there has been progressive conservative vote progress, especially in the central state and down inland Orange county making a comeback and outside San Diego. So could there be enough that one of Those Republicans gets 33% of the vote and there's such a splintering that he gets elected? So it's a long shot, but that's what they're talking about, Pat. And the fact they're talking about means they're thinking about it. Tell them that they're thinking about it. They don't like it. Meanwhile, they're leading Democrat candidate, which is, you know, Swallow China's favorite dating partner is. Is sitting.
- [96:10]
Pat
Honestly, that is the worst leading candidate because you have number one is him at 13, 14%. And then you have. What's her name?
- [96:20]
Elon
Katie Porter. I was just about to get very upset with Tom discounting my girl. Katie Patati.
- [96:24]
Pat
Yeah, Katie Porter, 10 or 13. And then Tom Sire. And then you have Hilton on the Republican side. That's number one. 16, 17%. And on Chad Bianco is second. I wouldn't mind having Chad Bianco and Hilton here together have a conversation about what's going on with California, maybe a friendly conversation between the two of them. But swalwa right now is this Calci. Rob Calshed 57.6%. Hilton's at 9, Tom Stiers at 14% on Kelsey. And this is $5 million of volume we're talking about. It's not like a small number. Adam.
- [96:59]
Elon
I can't believe that Eric Swal was in the lead here right now. By the way, Tom Steyer, for such a successful person, what a loser. This guy just donates money to running for something and wins nothing. Like you remember when Michael Bloomberg just basically spent $100 million to basically throwing his self in the race like he's gonna be the savior and then just basically made a donation. This guy's just donating money.
- [97:23]
Pat
Public speaking is not everyone's ability. Public speaking. You think public speaking is like just because you're a billionaire, you're great on stage. No, you got to be able to sell, persuade, fight. No, you know, he doesn't market. No, he doesn't have that.
- [97:34]
Elon
If he had. If Katie Porter had his money, Katie Patati could be going someplace.
- [97:39]
Tom
She's.
- [97:40]
Pat
She's special. She's got special.
- [97:41]
Elon
I know you have a. I. I do.
- [97:43]
Vinnie
I Don't want to bring, you know, you're married.
- [97:44]
Elon
You're happily married, Jen, but you do have a thing for Kate.
- [97:47]
Pat
I don't know what I do.
- [97:48]
Tom
America's gift.
- [97:49]
Pat
I don't know what secret, but don't do that. Don't do that. Like, don't say stuff like that because it offends me. If you put some stuff up about Katie Porter online, people have to appreciate her talent. Rob, can you pull up one of the clips? I mean, you can do stuff like. I don't like when you do that. You know, you're, you're.
- [98:03]
Elon
I want to be in the inner circle. I don't want to be a person.
- [98:05]
Pat
You lose the respect when you talk about people. I'm sorry, Rob, which one do you want to do? This one. You tell me. This is not a sweetheart. Go ahead.
- [98:14]
Elon
This is what?
- [98:15]
Pat
Go ahead.
- [98:15]
Adam
Recently, this fall in September.
- [98:18]
Tom
And what it showed is if we
- [98:20]
Pat
don't, if a Democrat in California wins, I want to.
- [98:24]
Adam
That we're going to lose more than
- [98:25]
Tom
half a million Californians dying prematurely to
- [98:29]
Adam
air pollution and problems and the state could lose. Get out of my shots. It's not that it's electric vehicles.
- [98:40]
Vinnie
It's that if we don't.
- [98:41]
Tom
Look at her.
- [98:42]
Vinnie
Look at her.
- [98:44]
Adam
Okay, it does. Okay.
- [98:45]
Pat
You also were in my shop before that.
- [98:48]
Vinnie
No, she wasn't.
- [98:49]
Pat
Stay out.
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Elon
No, she was.
- [98:51]
Pat
But you know what, though?
- [98:52]
Vinnie
I'm going to start again.
- [98:53]
Pat
You mean to tell me you don't think that's Governor quality? Oh, you need to tell me that's not TV stuff.
- [98:57]
Vinnie
Oh, yeah, listen, she's made.
- [98:58]
Pat
She, she. By the way, if she goes on the View, and then I keep saying this, if she goes on the View and she does what she does. Superstar. Superstar.
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Tom
Oh, my God.
- [99:07]
Pat
Yeah, so. But anyways, going back, she could throw
- [99:09]
Tom
America in the panic, you know, Remember
- [99:11]
Elon
when I said LA used to be cool? That's the new face.
- [99:16]
Pat
I have to choose between Swalwell and her. I'm actually being very serious.
- [99:20]
Elon
Oh, we want her. Katie.
- [99:22]
Pat
Yeah, I want her. I want her to be to California to see what she will do to California. But the 15 chance that the California has to have a Republican. To all the people that want California change, you better get behind Bianco or Hilton. Pick and choose. Play ball. Give some money support. Go do your part. Because if you don't, she's your governor.
- [99:41]
Tom
Well, she's.
- [99:42]
Adam
Oh, man, oh, man.
- [99:43]
Tom
She's been desperate and sinking in the polls. She has sinking right now. And I'm just waiting for the comeback story. Something that maybe we'll just throw America into panic. Katie Porter and Playboy reach terms. I'm waiting for that headline.
- [99:55]
Elon
Tom had a Tom and the Dirty Mind.
- [99:58]
Pat
I'd love to have her on here and have a conversation with her. Let me get to the next story here that we have, by the way, while this is taking place. Rob, I sent you a clip. A teacher in California. A teacher. This is New York or California. This is a teacher in New York. When you think about taxes, here's a teacher, Nate Friedman, another one of those guys that does a phenomenal job.
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Elon
Yeah.
- [100:17]
Pat
So he is asking this teacher, what do you think should happen with all these billionaires that are leaving because a possible wall tax is what should happen to their businesses? Keep in mind, he is a teacher teaching kids in America. This is his answer. This is why business owners are leaving states like this, where these people are teaching the kids of that state and that city. Go ahead, Rob.
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Adam
What do you say to these folks who say, well, if you tax millionaires, they're going to leave the city, and the top 1% pays 40% of the taxes in the city. So what happens if they leave? What's your response?
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Vinnie
Well, that's what I would say. It's like we should take their business and we run it, like, for our, like, the city ourselves.
- [100:57]
Adam
So if they take their business to Florida, you feel like you can make it keep it here.
- [101:01]
Pat
I mean, they.
- [101:02]
Vinnie
They can't leave the building. They can't, like, just bring their whole entire workforce to Florida.
- [101:07]
Pat
Right.
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Vinnie
They can't bring all, like, the resources that they have to, like, build the business here to Florida. Right. That take. That's a whole thing. And that's where you would even say, like, we're building a real movement, right, to, like, stop that. We'd also, like, make it illegal for them to, like, actually, like, leave.
- [101:21]
Pat
Right.
- [101:21]
Vinnie
We would find, like, find them to hell if they're gonna try to, like,
- [101:24]
Pat
abandon their property here. Right.
- [101:26]
Vinnie
Because clearly people do need to work. Right. People do need to, like, you know, make a living.
- [101:30]
Adam
So.
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Tom
So that's Charles Barry.
- [101:32]
Adam
And while that might have been one of the craziest things I've ever heard
- [101:34]
Tom
in hundreds of street interviews, what matters more is that he's a teacher for
- [101:38]
Adam
New York public schools. What do you say?
- [101:41]
Pat
Can you imagine what the kids are being taught? I mean, how you process that, Tom, when you. I don't want to put a lot of time into this. Obviously, this teacher deserves a little bit of time to highlight his madness. But how do you process that, Tom?
- [101:53]
Tom
You know, you cannot underestimate. Never underestimate just the power of dumb. And that's how I assess it. You just can't underestimate how big it can be. And when you start asking people just these big, basic, basic questions. And by the way, this goes for all of us. Jay Leno used to do man on the street outside the Burbank courthouse, and there'd be people coming out with a manila folder and a little American flag. They were just sworn in. They just took an oath and they became citizens. And he would grab some person walking on the street with a backpack, like a college student or something, and then ask the two people the same questions. They just took on the citizen chest. How many branches of government are there? And you'd have this person from Vietnam who's now a US Citizen, would answer correctly, and the other person would go, I think we only have one branch of government. It's like the president and that. Right? And they would just get it wrong and just. You can't underestimate just the power of the uninformed populace.
- [102:51]
Adam
Isn't it like a measurable amount of the population that believes that chocolate milk comes from brown cows?
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Elon
What are you trying to say? You know, Are you trying to say that it doesn't come from brown cows?
- [103:02]
Adam
I don't know.
- [103:02]
Elon
I haven't read science now and now brown cows.
- [103:05]
Pat
I was not expecting for you to get racist today, but let's do it with brown cow.
- [103:10]
Elon
By the way, you know what's going on in New York? You know, what's the famous thing? It's like hide your wife, hide your kids, because they're coming out and they're indoctrinating everybody. That's what's going on in New York. You see this protest that's going on in New York? Yeah, they used to keep this stuff quiet. Hey, by the way, we're communists. We're socialists. They're coming out with the communist flag. The Communist Manifesto. Shout out to Karl Marx. He's done great things for the world. And that's what they're doing. Is this in New York? Looks like Chinatown. I don't know what's going on around here, but by the way, what percentage of this guy's a teacher? What percentage of elementary school teachers are male versus female? Or even middle school, high school? I think it's like 80 plus percent.
- [103:51]
Tom
But these people are making the point, right? It's a point you've made.
- [103:54]
Elon
Hold on, Tom.
- [103:54]
Tom
You're not. These folks. Were you Know, talked about, you know, gays for Gaza. And they say, do you really know what it would be like if you went over there? It's just like these people waving these flags. Do you have any clue what life would really be like if you got your. Your wish here?
- [104:09]
Elon
I appreciate the interruption, Tom. I love you. What percentage of teachers.
- [104:13]
Tom
We're not gonna fight. It's Friday.
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Elon
Are male.
- [104:16]
Tom
You professional?
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Elon
It's 10%. Tom. What are you doing here, guy? I'll wait for you. Go. He'll talk. Oh, no, I'm waiting for you.
- [104:23]
Tom
You want to interrupt? You won't let him talk. You won't let him talk. And now you're holier than thou. Good Friday.
- [104:30]
Adam
A moment to pray again.
- [104:31]
Pat
Yeah, okay. I'm gonna move on. All right.
- [104:35]
Elon
I'm trying to make a point that, that men are. Very few men are teachers. And if this is the men that are teaching our children, this is who's shaping our youth, it's only going to get worse. By the way, what city is this guy in? New York? California. We have to be very clear that, that people who run New York and, and run California cannot be shaping our country.
- [104:52]
Pat
Okay, Tom, you got to get to the next story now. I'm getting to the next.
- [104:55]
Tom
Yeah, very few men are teachers is statistically incorrect.
- [104:58]
Pat
Okay. All right, so let's get to the next story. Gunman kills at least 30 in Nigeria's Plateau State attack, which, by the way, that's three days ago. I think that number's in the 50s now. Rob, what's the number? 56 as last I heard. Let me read that story if you can maybe verify on the numbers that I'm sharing. So gunmen attacked the university community in Nigeria's Plateau State on Sunday night, killing at least 30 people. Residents and local officials said on Monday the latest bloodshed is in a region by deadly farmer herder conflicts. Violence in central Nigeria, known as the Middle Belt, is often painted as ethno religious between mainly Muslim Fulani herders and Christian farmers. But many experts and politicians say climate change and expanding agriculture still competition for land leading to conflict regardless of faith or ethnicity. This is a Reuters story. Obviously, they turn into a climate change story. So, Vinny, I'm going to come to you first with this tragic event that takes place there.
- [105:55]
Vinnie
Your thoughts and think about. This happened three days ago. This is. This is holy week, okay? And these. These poor people are just trying to worship. And a lot of innocent people were just shocked because they were shooting houses and everything like that just because of Jesus Christ. And my question is this. Where are all the Christians at right now? Okay, where, where, where's, you know, the Vatican's the biggest Catholic. Okay, there's still, we're still Christians. Where, why isn't this the crisis story of the week? Where are the activist groups that claim every oppressed group still deserves non stop coverage? Where are the celebrities? Where's the, where are the squares? Where's the Black Lives Matter? These, these people are. They're all black. Where are all the causes and where's the outrage? Okay, the silence to me is absolutely deafening. Nope, Gladiator. This is, this story came and went like that. No headlines, no cnn, no. No msnbc. And if I thought about this, Elon, if this happened in a country that had strategic oil or rare earth minerals or even poppy fields, everybody and their mother would be there helping these people. But because it's poor African Christians that are being hunted down during Holy Week just because of their faith, it drives me crazy. And it makes it even worse because like I said, this is Holy Week and we're supposed to be. This is supposed to be the Christian Week and nobody is saying anything. And it drives me insane.
- [107:15]
Adam
Yeah, I've been, I've been working in this space for a while. The stats are unbelievably troubling. One in seven Christians worldwide is persecuted. There are hundreds of millions of Christians persecuted worldwide. The number one group persecuted in the world, nobody talks about them. I often say people talk about Israel all the time, the Jews all the time, all that stuff. I often say it's better to be hated than it is to be ignored for your suffering to just be completely ignored and not acknowledged and to just have you there and, and what these people. Do you want to talk about sacrifice? It's an important time to talk about sacrifice right now. These people, in the face of actually being murdered, will stand tall in their faith. They will not put down their Bible when they are told we are going to massacre you for it. And this, these are the stories that I'm so happy we're talking about it because I keep trying to raise awareness in this exact. And it's not just Nigeria, by the way. Nigeria has a massive problem, not just from the Fulanis, which you can argue is ethno religious, but there's a massive religious component to it. But you also have Boko Haram over there, you have Aiswap over there. You have in Congo, terrible things happening to Christians, Somalia, Syria, when, when churches are bombed with people inside, suicide bombed in Syria. Nobody talks about It. And I always ask myself, why. Again, spiritual battle. It all comes back to the same thing for me. These people are dying for their faith. They are martyrs for their faith. And I just think it's so important to acknowledge it. It's so important to get the attention over there. I would love to see a march for Nigerian Christians. That's my dream.
- [108:39]
Vinnie
Oh, and when they talk about boots, we've been arguing for how many weeks for boots on the ground. Boots on the ground. This is the one time that I'd be like, go, please. I know that they said that they were going to help the last time. Go help. They're helpless, bro. Like you said, Elon, they're praying. And by the way, church blown up, bodies everywhere. Pastors still sitting in the middle of an exploded church going, we're not going to budge. We're still Christians. And there's one pastor. I wish I could find it. Pat, he was. He's like, I don't care. Do it. He goes, let them come. Come. He's looking at the camera. He's like, come kill me. Come nothing. Zero fear, bro. I'm wearing a faith over fear shirt. Zero fear. But I hate the silence. It's like this is where the. This is the real people that are suffering and need the help. Not a strategic thing, an actual murder of helpless Christians and nobody's helping them.
- [109:26]
Pat
Oh, what is this clip you got, Rob here?
- [109:29]
Adam
This is one of the people that was associated with the church where these
- [109:33]
Tom
people were killed, talking about what happened. Go for it.
- [109:35]
Adam
People were here in the evening and unfortunately, wicked terrorists came and attacked our people. And then we have counted calls of people who are now dead. And then so many others are also in the hospital receiving treatment.
- [109:51]
Tom
Tom, It's a simple game, and it's called Kill the Truth. And you look around the world and you look at the truth of the statistics is the Christians are the number one persecuted group. And it happens in silence. Sensationalized things are used to counter it. And it takes nothing away from genocides and maniacs that are happening to. To people of other faiths. But why is it that there's such an ardent attempt to not only persecute the Christians, but to legislate belief structures into convincing that it's actually hate speech to even Canada, saying that having a Bible and reading from it and saying something is now on the verge of a persecutable criminal offense. The misdemeanor level. Why? Why does that happen? Because the game is called Kill the Truth. Because there is one truth and that truth stands tall, and it has a group of people that stand in peace, that are dying for their faith, that are not retaliating and are the first people ashore when there's tragedies and natural disasters. Churches are sending people, often before governments can get there. I can go back to Hurricane Katrina and I can show you chapter and verse where churches made it down with water and supplies when the US government was failing. And so you look at that. Why? Why is that? Because there's a purity to it and there's one truth. And the job is kill the truth and to kill the people and to cover up the truth of what's really happening. Because in a world of globalist, you can't have Christianity. In a world of totalitarian regimes, you can't have Christianity. You're absolutely right. And more needs to be said. And be aware, these people have 30 people die and it doesn't show up on any news.
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Adam
Right. 53, they're saying. And.
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Tom
Well, just the first. I'm talking about the very first report. It's gotten worse. The number's getting bigger, right?
- [111:51]
Adam
Yeah, the number keeps going. Look, I've been. Again, I've been trying for years. And it's interesting because the resistance to this is irrational. It's like people don't want to talk about it. It's not that they're fundamentally against it, talking about it. And yeah, I agree with you fully. You can't. What's the first thing you destroy in a Marxist state? You destroy the idea of God because,
- [112:10]
Pat
you know, you know, it's interesting. While we're going through this, I want to show two things. One is report comes out that King Charles, who, you know, you know, Good Friday's here. Announcement was made that he will not be talking about it this year at all. He did dedicate, you know, Buckingham palace has confirmed King Charles will not issue an Easter message this year. Wow. He did issue a Ramadan message earlier this year. He did, but not an Easter message. And, you know, and by the way, this goes back to 1993. There's a clip of him, I don't know if you've seen this or not, where it says, islam is part of our past and our present. I want you to play this clip. Rob, watch this. Go for it.
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Elon
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Tom
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Pat
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Pat
Islam is part of our past and our present in all fields of human endeavor. It has helped to create modern Europe.
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Vinnie
It is part of our own inheritance,
- [113:38]
Tom
not a thing apart.
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Pat
Islam can teach us today a way of understanding and living in the world world which Christianity itself is the poorer.
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Tom
Having lost.
- [113:50]
Pat
Wow. Our judgment. You can pause it right there.
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Vinnie
The what?
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Pat
Repeat. Back again. Go back again. Go back 10 seconds, Rob. Not. Not that far. Just go back right there. Go for it.
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Tom
Not a thing apart.
- [114:02]
Pat
Islam can teach us today a way
- [114:04]
Tom
of understanding and living in the world
- [114:06]
Pat
which Christianity itself is the poorer for.
- [114:09]
Tom
Having lost
- [114:12]
Pat
our judgment of Islam has been grossly distorted by taking the extremes to be the norm. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a serious mistake.
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Vinnie
It is like judging the quality of
- [114:27]
Pat
life composite right there. So this is a real thing that's going on. By the way, King Charles, a lot of people that are, you know, from there will say, well, he said, secretly became a Muslim. And I think he took $3 million from somebody that was shown, whether it was Cutter or I don't know who it was from someone. You can verify this, Rob, as I'm going through this, but this is a real thing. And when you think about uk, what do you think about what's going on with Britain right now? They're cook, you know, completely.
- [114:55]
Elon
According to Pierce Morgan, nothing's going on.
- [114:58]
Pat
Bite us to go out there and. And go to London and go to different parts. I'd love to do the following.
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Adam
Okay.
- [115:04]
Pat
If Pierce is open to it. By the way, Pierce and I have a very good relation. I actually think he's phenomenal for the marketplace of what he's doing. His voice is phenomenal. Pierce, I'd like to do one thing. How about we come down, me, you, the boys, and Tommy Robinson. You give your version, he gives his version, and we'll record it and we'll have a conversation, and let's just kind of see what is his version of the story. What's your version of the story, and let's see what's going on. I do think you're a real player. I do think you're an honest player. I don't think you're. I think you'll push anybody at any time, you know, at any place. But I think that would be something I wouldn't mind entertaining because as we're going through this next phase, you know, is that the one right there? When you're personally accepted. The story you're referring to is 2022. Sunday Times reported that Prince Charles personally accepted a three separate cash donations totaling $3 million from Sheikh Hamad. Been Jamin Beard.
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Vinnie
What a name.
- [115:58]
Pat
Long name, just hbj, the former Prime Minister of Qatar. There you go. These occurred in 2011, 2015, is that he got $3.2 million.
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Elon
So you're saying it could be bought for three.
- [116:09]
Pat
The payments were handed, by the way, the payments were handed over in cash. Okay. Mostly 500 pound notes during private meetings, sometimes in suitcase or shopping bags. So what most people don't know about, including from Fortnum and Mason. One notable handover was a suit case containing a million pounds at Clarence House in 2015. The money was intended as donation to the Prince of Wales Charitable Fund, later passed to the charity accounts at Coutts Bank. Charles's office stated that the funds were handled over immediately to the charity and which concluded due diligence, et cetera, et cetera. There was no evidence of illegality to it. But again, the money came from where? So who knows, who knows? You never know what's going on there. But it's important to pay attention that this is happening there. And then in Canada, Rob, you know, Canada, just in 2025, I won't say October, maybe even earlier than that. A couple guys, this guy right here, they started working on saying some of the stuff in the Bible is hate speech. Okay, Truly, some of the stuff in the Bible is hate speech. And here's what he had to say. Go forward, Rob.
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Adam
In this case, the Bible.
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Pat
But there are other religious texts that
- [117:13]
Tom
say the same thing.
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Adam
And somehow Kant say that this is good faith. I mean, clearly there are situations in these texts where these statements are hateful.
- [117:21]
Pat
They should not be used in the Bible or be a defense.
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Adam
And there should perhaps be discretion for prosecutors to press charges. I just want to understand what your notion of good faith is in this context, where there are clearly. Yeah, when you have a country without a constitution, this is what happens. I mean, they don't have the First Amendment.
- [117:40]
Pat
Let me read this and then I'm going to come to you. Let me read this and I'm going to come to you. So you're hearing this. Okay, so here we go. Canada wants to make quoting the Bible illegal. This is the Spectator two days ago. Easter is almost here and Canada's Liberal government has chosen the sacred season to display its utter contempt for Christianity. It's currently forcing through the outrageous Bill C9, which could make it a hate crime to quote from the sections of the Bible. More than 40 civil and religious groups have asked that for the bill's language be clarified and its scope more carefully defined so that religious texts would not be subject to hate crime legislation. But all in vain. After a hot debate in the House of Commons, the Liberals high handedly ended a conservative filibuster, in fact fast tracked a bill. It's now been sent to the Senate to decide if Canada is a kind of a country that wants to turn quoting St. Paul into a criminal act.
- [118:35]
Adam
Ilan yeah, again, Canada doesn't have, they have a bill of rights, but they don't have the First Amendment in the way we do. I think you look at Canada during COVID they were going after churches like crazy. And again, I think this is bigger than politics. I think it's spiritual. I think that Canada has an attack on truth across the board. The world is seeing an attack on truth across the board. Tom has been touching on it and I think it's a spiritual war. If you can destroy the idea of gender, if you can destroy the idea of man having value, woman having value, the sanctity of a child, like when you think about how out of control abortion is, all these things. And now they're attacking the very scripture that's meant to be spread to protect against those evils. They're doing it for a reason. And that's the thing I fear most in the world. And I think people are met now with a binary. Anyone watching, you're met with a binary choice. Now you're either going to go down the path of moral relativism which will lead you to nihilism, a complete destruction of truth. And it will leave you in a void that is empty, a dark void. It will lead to depression. We're seeing it. It will lead to anxiety, it'll lead to all the nihilistic behavior we're seeing. Or you will head to a path of truth. And I think the only light I see in all of this is because of these blatant open attacks on Christianity that we're not only seeing in Canada, we've even seen it in our own country. They've gone after churches in our own country. And I think the only benefit to all this is that as that becomes so binary, you really do have a choice. The choice is presented to you by God. Now you will either follow me or you will follow that.
- [120:02]
Pat
Elon, what were you raised as?
- [120:05]
Adam
I was born as Jewish.
- [120:07]
Pat
You're born as Jewish? When did you become a Christian?
- [120:09]
Adam
Well, I became an atheist for a while. I went through a lot of stuff, and then I. I had a friend who started telling me, hey, come to church, visit me. You know, like, just try it out. I was working on the show Loki. My friend took me to a monastery, silent monastery for. For monks, Christian months, Catholic months. And it was the first time that I felt at peace in a very long time. I've suffered from depression for most of my life. I've suffered from anxiety. I've drank too much for a big part of my life. And this was out of everything I've ever experienced in my life. That was the first time that I felt at peace inside. I couldn't explain it. Then I went to church one day, and I cried.
- [120:43]
Elon
I cried.
- [120:44]
Adam
I was sitting there, and I started crying. I'm like, why am I. Why am I crying here? Like, what is going on with me? What is the thing that's happening to me that's making me cry? And I realized I've been carrying this burden you talk about. It's not me, it's not me. It's not me. I've been carrying this burden my whole life that. It's me, it's me, it's me. And I finally found a home where I was like, wow, this burden, this relationship with something bigger than myself can finally be shared. And I tell everyone this. There is nothing other than Christianity that will cure alcoholism. There's nothing other than Christianity that will truly clear your depression or your. Your Whatever you're going through, because it's. It's a relationship with something bigger than yourself that you can take off yourself and put there. And, yeah, it's been tremendous for me. I had a friend who. Sorry, not to go on for a long time, but I had a friend who's like, what do you mean? You be. You believe in this now? What's going on? Because when you're raised Jewish, it's very hard for people to hear that you're also doing something like that. And my Jewish identity is still important to me, but I said, it makes me a better person. So I don't care what anyone tells me. I don't care what anyone believes about me. It makes me a better person, and that's all that matters.
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Pat
I love it. Good for you. Adam, your thoughts on.
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Elon
I love your story, and I wish that more stories like that were shared. I think that Judaism and Christianity has a bond that should be unbreakable. You know, without the Old Testament, there's no New Testament. And look, the Crusades were fought between the Christians and the Muslims, and the Jews were always in the middle because they were always fighting over Jerusalem. Jew Rusalem. For anybody that has a problem with the Jews being Jerusalem, it's in the name Judea, Jerusalem. The Bible is the greatest book of all time. That it's the, you know, the old version and the new Version, whatever version you subscribe to, that book is the most important book other than maybe the Declaration of Independence, United States Constitution. We are here in America. I love what you have to say. I wish more people said that Jesus was, if not the greatest, one of the greatest people of all time to walk to Earth. I get in arguments with my Jewish friends. I say, why don't you have a little more respect for Jesus? They go, I don't believe he was God. I said, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have respect for him. He was a Jewish rabbi who hung out with only Jewish people. His mother, Jewish, father Jewish, all the wives, everyone around was Jewish. He was questioning authority, a questioning establishment.
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Vinnie
Well, his father wasn't. His father wasn't Jewish, but. Go ahead, go ahead, finish. I'm sorry, I don't. I just want to.
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Elon
Don't pull it, Tom. Right now.
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Vinnie
Father.
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Elon
The reality is we need to work closer together because we're better together than we are apart. There's a crazy segment of the world that some people don't want to name. And that crazy segment of the world, whether it's 1% or 2%, it's millions of people, and that is called radical Islam. The story started out with Nigeria, did it not?
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Vinnie
Yep.
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Elon
What's going on in Nigeria? I didn't even know this story. Didn't Trump. Trump bomb Nigeria a couple months ago? Did he not? Didn't you have a job?
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Vinnie
He didn't bomb. He sent troops. Okay, I thought. I thought that they sent troops.
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Adam
So they said they're sending ground troops. I don't know.
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Vinnie
I didn't see it.
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Elon
So. But I thought he did do something in Nigeria. But genuine question, genuine question. Don't come at me. Why should we care about Nigeria as Americans? What do you mean why should we care about Nigeria? There's so much going on in the world because Iran, Gaza, Israel, is there Christian Sudan?
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Vinnie
Are you action. Is it historical or. No, I'm asking because defenseless Christians that are just in churches, you're okay, praying to. Hold on. You asked me Let me finish. They're war. They are worshiping Jesus Christ and they are all getting massacred and they have nothing. They have nobody.
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Elon
Whatever.
- [124:16]
Vinnie
All these guys are so.
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Adam
Well, Islam. It's mostly Fulani's. I swap.
- [124:20]
Elon
And Boko Haram is a. Is an Islamic terrorist organization. Should we just negotiate with them? Do you think they'll listen or do we have to do something about it?
- [124:28]
Vinnie
No, we have to go in and help them. But no, because nobody's helping.
- [124:31]
Elon
Okay, so are you okay in Nigeria having American boots on the ground?
- [124:36]
Vinnie
100 so.
- [124:38]
Elon
But you don't want American boots on the ground in Iran?
- [124:40]
Vinnie
I thought you said I don't want for. Wait, why are they defenseless? Are they. Wait, wait, wait. Time out. You can't compare defenseless Christians in Nigeria that are in wooden stone buildings praying to God and getting massacred. They're just out there by themselves.
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Elon
Can't you argue that they're doing the exact same thing in Iran? Defenseless people praying to God. The largest, the largest growing religion in, in Iran is what then say Christianity.
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Vinnie
Okay, but if you're going to say
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Elon
so there's innocent Christians being killed there too.
- [125:09]
Vinnie
Yeah, but if you're.
- [125:09]
Elon
So where do you draw the line on boots on the ground?
- [125:11]
Vinnie
This is two completely different.
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Elon
I don't think it is.
- [125:13]
Vinnie
I think it's two completely different things, Adam. Because when they've been for 47 years under this thing, everybody. It's not just America that want to. We're going in and we went in because Marco Rubio and all this type of stuff. This is a completely different.
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Elon
Let me just. I'll answer it. I'm going to come to you in one sec. I just want to understand where you draw the line on boots on the ground. We had boots on the ground.
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Pat
By the way. This is a very good sequencing of questions that you're asking. And I think, you know, this, this exchange right here is what leads to a lot of the arguments. And there's leaks in both sides of the argument. I actually love this exchange that just happened right now because it makes us actually think, why are we for. In Nigeria but not for Iran? Okay, why are we for helping out Gaza but not helping out Iranians? Why are we for helping out Iranians, saving them, but not the people in Gaza? Both sides make the argument in a very. It leads to a leak in the argument of both sides. If you actually think about it, it truly leads to having a leak. Like the guys are like, yeah, you know, for Gaza and Palestine, it's not Fair what they're doing. Israel's doing a genocide, but they're quiet about Iran.
- [126:26]
Elon
Oh yeah.
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Pat
And the master are Christians are sometimes, yeah, Iran we got. And it's like. But quiet about God. It's a very, very valid argument. You know, I wonder what you're going to say here yourself.
- [126:36]
Adam
Well, what I was going to say is there are certain just unfortunate realities. The threat from Iran to our ground troops is significantly and the long term consequences of a ground invasion in Iran and how long it would take and everything is fundamentally different than Fulani tribes. So you have to also look at, you know, how hard is it to solve the problem and protect people versus the benefit. So it's a cost benefit thing. It's not to say that, you know, when there were 30, 40,000 people being massacred in Iran during the uprising that happened, I would say that at that exact moment, if people were making the argument this is an ending, we need to get boots on the ground, we need to cut this off before millions of people potentially die. You have an argument there, but what's happening in Nigeria is just a long standing continued massacre of people based on their religion. And you either look at the United States and you go, we're 100% isolationist, we have no reason to be involved, or you look at the United States kind of like a superhero and you say, look, we're superheroes. We do have an obligation in the world to do what's right sometimes, even if it's hard. So Nigeria is a place where we can go in with a high benefit to cost compared to Iran at first, as a starting point. That doesn't mean. I'm not saying police the world, but I'm saying when there's something like the genocide we see in Nigeria, there should be some controlled involvement to protect them over there.
- [127:53]
Elon
Yeah. My ultimate point was this. I'm not an isolationist and I'm not a complete interventionist. You know, the whole conversation of America can't police the world. America's not the world's police. Really, who is? Because if America doesn't have the badge. Policing the world. Who do you want policing the world? You want China policing the world? You want Russia running the world? You want the Islamic Republic of Iran running the world. So in my opinion, America should be the policeman of the world. We might pull out a NATO. NATO, hey, eu, let me know how you're going to work without American funding. So as much as we don't want to intervene in every single conflict, as much as we don't want boots on the ground. If not America, then who?
- [128:36]
Pat
Well, let's do that. Let's go into this. Let's go into the great transition into this. Trump absolutely considering NATO exit will rip Europe. In primetime remarks, he said on Wednesday that he's absolutely considering withdrawing the United States from the NATO. Is this. Yeah, well, play the clip, Rob. Go for it. To be honest, I was really asking because I wanted to see what they do.
- [128:58]
Elon
We didn't need them.
- [128:59]
Pat
We blasted the hell out of them out of Iran.
- [129:03]
Elon
The last thing I needed was NATO stepping in our way way because they're not. They're a paper tiger. But so we didn't need them.
- [129:11]
Pat
But I asked anyway and they probably think I'm the worst salesman ever. I was the worst.
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Tom
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Tom
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- [131:03]
Pat
There you go. He's saying. So he continues Trump and telling Telegraph that NATO's future is beyond reconsideration after European leaders barred us of military bases for month long Iran conflict and balked at US's request for naval support to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. I was never swayed by NATO. NATO, for generations has been a cornerstone of US foreign policy, committing the us, Canada and major nations in Europe to collectively defense against external threats. So this is, this is, this is a, this is a big statement to be made. By the way, just so you guys know, I thought, I thought that when he gave that speech at night at 9pm, I thought the announcement was going to be we're leaving NATO or I thought the announcement was going to be the Gulf states are paying for the war. I thought it was gonna be some announcement like that. We haven't covered it cuz we did a great job covering it with Werner and Luke yesterday. It was great. But what do you think about Tom when he's making these comments about NATO? How do you process this? How far you think he'll go with this?
- [132:03]
Tom
Well, he is a great negotiator and he's a great dealmaker. And what he is reminding them is if you look over the course of human history, you know, alliances, you know, are not necessarily permanent. Now I'm, I am not in favor of, you know, breaking the NATO alliance. I am in favor of everybody pays their fair share.
- [132:25]
Adam
Yeah.
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Tom
And we get certain and get everybody on the same page in terms of strategy. But what he's saying is, he's saying, look, if this, you know, we had, remember the salt treaties? Salt and salt 2. And they broke and they fell apart. Why? Because they didn't outlive their usefulness. Everybody started behaving differently and suddenly the treaty was worthless and then you had to go negotiate salt too. And so people say, well, those are just treaties. You don't know what you're talking about. This is. Well, really those are pretty important treaties. What you have here, Pat, is
- [133:02]
Elon
Europe
- [133:03]
Tom
is going through a metamorphosis of its own. And the France that signed NATO is not the France we're dealing with today. The UK that signed NATO and all the NATO nations are not the same today. They have different strategies and different implementations politically. And so what he's saying is this, you know, what if this has outlived its usefulness? You know, maybe we need to make a change. And I think that's the point he's making. And he's making it from a negotiation chair and the deal making chair. He's reminding them about why did we get into this the first place? Pat, you've done this, you've had carriers you had very large insurance carriers. They changed. They got different CEOs. Oh, we had one that had different financial situation came up, remember? And they had to completely change all their distribution policies and who they worked with because their financials completely changed. So guess what? Someone that was a staunch ally one year and a staunch supporter one year, therefore, you know, a distribution agreement. If you look at political terms, all of a sudden, they can't do it. So you have no treaty anymore. So I don't want to see NATO torn apart. But I think he's negotiating, and I think there's a lot of things going on in the middle of it, and they're showing their face, oh, you can't use my airspace.
- [134:23]
Pat
Tom, let me ask NATO. Tom, let me ask you. We've been in thousands of meetings together. If something like this happened, how would we have handled it with NATO?
- [134:33]
Tom
We would have said if you want to. If you not. Well, I don't think it would.
- [134:38]
Pat
We would have reminded them what I'm saying. Would we have taken similar approaches to say, oh, really? This is what you want to do? No problem. No problem.
- [134:45]
Tom
That's exactly what we would have done. Especially when we had all the distribution and you were representing a position of strength.
- [134:51]
Pat
Yeah. So, you know what's funny is when I. When I look at this and I look at the fumbles leaders way, I mean, we make all. We all make them. We've done him. I've done it. God knows how many I've done. And he's gonna do it as well. There's no perfection.
- [135:01]
Tom
I've done it.
- [135:02]
Pat
Trusting in your instinct. Right when he's coming on doing this. This is the part where I voted for him. I want him in the negotiating room. You know who capitalized off this yesterday trying to get in front of the mix? You know who posted something on Instagram yesterday? On my favorite clip of. For some people, just sometimes we need to be reminded. I want to show you something to. Guys, get your blood pressure machine next. Get your blood pressure machine next to you. Let me see if I can find this thing that I saw. Literally, I think it was just a couple days ago. Let me see if I can find this. I'll find it. Somebody saw this as an opportunity. Oh, right there. Okay. Is this everyone with the people? Yeah. In more. Okay, well, let me find this. I'll send it to you. But here's the point. I voted for this guy to do that. We didn't have it with Biden. I didn't feel comfortable with Obama. Kamala I didn't think could negotiate anything except for anyways additional.
- [136:04]
Vinnie
I got you.
- [136:04]
Adam
I know where you're going.
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Pat
But you have a negotiator that's doing this. And I think this NATO thing could backfire on them if a Republican gets reelected in 2028. But the first thing, if a Dem, like right now, think like a Democrat, guess what the Democrats are doing right now. Guess what a Newsom or an AOC will be doing right now. You know, what's the power position right now for Newsom to do? If I'm a Democratic strategist, all I'm saying is, hey, man, get up on the public, make a video and talk about the history of NATO and how important it is to us right now. Is the right move for a Democrat to get up and talk about why this relationship is so important. Capitalize off of it for Republicans. You need one more term. Because if this term doesn't go four more years to 2032, NATO is going to go like this in 2028 with a Democrat getting elected. A new smart AOC should get on the pulpit right now and start selling the history of NATO. And they will, because this is opportunistic. You got to slide into the girls DM after the breakup. You know, those dirty things that people do. You know what I'm talking about?
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Elon
Whoa.
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Pat
Yeah. So. So this is the part where, you know, they just had a breakup. NATO and Trump are looking like they're going through a breakup. Newsom should. I'm surprised if they haven't already, by the way, but I think this is going to be nasty in a big way. What's this one, Rob? This approval rating. Is this about the economy that we were talking about?
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Adam
Yes, sir.
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Pat
Go ahead and play this clip. Go for it.
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Adam
Gracious, What a disaster.
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Pat
72%.
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Elon
And our latest CNN polls say they disapprove of the president on inflation. Joe Biden, an average of polls at
- [137:46]
Adam
this point in his presidency, 68%.
- [137:49]
Pat
And Jimmy Carter, whose presidency, just like Joe Biden was absolutely wrecked by inflation,
- [137:54]
Adam
was at 66% about at this point in his presidency back in 1978. Donald Trump, even worse than they are, 76%. Three in four Americans disapprove of the way that Donald Trump is handling gas prices. The worst of all time at this point in term number two, it's the economy dragging Trump down.
- [138:16]
Pat
Oh, my goodness gracious. Okay, Tom.
- [138:20]
Tom
So on. This is basically actually, you know what?
- [138:24]
Pat
Let me go to Adam, because I think, Adam, this was your story on the economy. Go for it. You can touch on both of them.
- [138:28]
Elon
Does this have to do with NATO or is this both of them?
- [138:30]
Pat
Do NATO in this as well?
- [138:31]
Elon
Well, I didn't really understand that. Is he talking about inflation? He's talking about gas prices because his inflation is at 2 1/2% right now. Under Biden it was 8%. And we've had multiple arguments with this about the money printing quantitative easing. But if the, if the, if the stat is about inflation, There he goes,
- [138:44]
Pat
2.5% go to the fact that Americans don't feel confident about the way he's handling the economy right now. Of course, gas prices, by the way, can you guys post in the comment section.
- [138:54]
Elon
Yeah.
- [138:55]
Pat
How much gas prices are right now? And FYI, Rob asked the question the following way. Has your gas prices gone up $0.50 to a dollar $1 to $0.50 buck 50 plus to $2 and $2 plus. Give those four options 52 buck buck to buck 50 buck 50 to two $2 plus. I'm curious to know what the gas price is going to be at where you guys are at. Go ahead, Adam.
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Elon
Look, you know what's the, the, the fear versus greed index if you want to pull that up. People are in extreme fear right now. But much like the markets things weekly to monthly, we'll be out of this in a matter of weeks, if not months. So Trump is fighting so many wars right now, whether it's the external forces of the wars or whether it's the media wars, this is nothing new for Trump. I think that the speech that Trump gave was it last night, two nights ago, first was so needed, very calm, very surgical. Here's what's going on. What's the whole phrase that we said? Short term pain for the long term gain. That's what's going to happen regarding NATO. If you told me a year ago, how dare you. We can't leave NATO. We're part of NATO. Those are our allies. But then you unpack the numbers. Do you know what percentage of the overall budget of NATO military spending US pays versus all the NATO countries?
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Pat
We've talked about this.
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Vinnie
Do you know the number that we pay for the military for NATO?
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Elon
US pays 2/3 of all of NATO.
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Adam
Crazy.
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Elon
So you have all these $900 billion. The next up is Germany with 90 billion. Then you have UK 80 something billion, France 60 billion, Italy, 35 billion, Poland, 34 billion, Canada, Turkey. And then you have countries that you basically never even heard of, Latvia, Slovenia, all these US they're basically the stands of the Europe that pay nothing Borat. And these are the former ussr.
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Pat
I don't think that's the right number.
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Elon
That is the right number, which is what? United States pays two thirds of military spend. NATO, basically. We're. We're funding the bill.
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Pat
900 billion?
- [140:55]
Elon
Yes.
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Pat
No, I don't think so. I don't think it's 900. I think you're wrong. I don't think it's 900. I've looked into this and I've done a clip on this, but what percentage. No, I think it's. I think it's. I just did a video on this. I think like 1.1 billion. Or it's somewhere between 800 million to 1.2 billion. Can you can. Humberto, can you guys fact check this real quick? 900. Our military budget is 1.2, 1.3. Between 900 billion to 1.3 trillion. I think you're off.
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Elon
Do the math on this. We pay 2% of our total GDP. What's our GDP? 27 trillion. I don't do the number on that.
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Pat
I understand. One.
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Elon
Just, just. I thought it was. I thought it was 2% of our GDP.
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Pat
Okay, so let's do the math for you right there.
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Tom
If it's.
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Pat
How much was the trillion? What did you say?
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Elon
Isn't it 20, 30?
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Pat
It's a big number. I'm not telling you it's not a big number, but I can't say 900 billion. That's our military budget, Rob. Adam.
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Elon
No, I know that. That's separate from this, okay?
- [141:51]
Pat
I'm just trying to make sure the audience sees the difference. There's something different.
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Elon
Okay?
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Vinnie
Even if it's less, I just had chatgpt. How much does the U.S. give NATO each year? The direct U.S. payment into NATO common budget is roughly 750 million to 800 million.
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Pat
Yeah, 750 million.
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Vinnie
Yeah.
- [142:09]
Pat
To a billion.
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Vinnie
NATO's budget.
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Elon
You probably don't know about that. Okay, but by the way, 2% of our GDP, is it not?
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Pat
Umberto, can you in the back just send a story and Rob, pull it up to look at. I don't think that's the number. Adam. It's a big number. And I actually think we are only now three to three and a half percent to 5% of the entire budget. There it is.
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Adam
U.S. defense spending equals 900 plus billion per year.
- [142:33]
Pat
U.S. complete defense annual budget is 900 billion. All right, to ensure, to be sure, the membership in NATO is not over
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Elon
$1 trillion in defense.
- [142:41]
Pat
No, no, no, it's 700. 900 billion is 100 billion less than a trillion. So it's. But that's to say 900 billion to NATO is ridiculous.
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Elon
Can we just pull up a chart of what people are spending on NATO? But can you fact check this? Are we not funding two thirds of all of Naito?
- [142:54]
Vinnie
I think we are.
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Adam
Yes, we are. We're paying 70% of Naito. The argument people make is that US's overall military defense budget is in many ways taking care of NATO, because if anything happens.
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Pat
So I don't even think we're paying 70%. I'm telling you because I just looked at this.
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Adam
I don't even think we're NATO military power. We make up 70% of NATO military.
- [143:14]
Pat
Military power. Not the whole budget you're talking about.
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Adam
Yes.
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Elon
The point is this. We are paying for Naito, are we not? Do we. Are we not the biggest spender of NATO?
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Adam
Yeah.
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Vinnie
And we're.
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Elon
What do we get from NATO? That's my point.
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Pat
A billion is a big number, buddy. I'm just correcting that number. Okay, keep going.
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Elon
You raised the question of whether Trump should leave NATO. My point was a year ago, two years ago, I'd been like, that's crazy talk. Now we see that they didn't have our back in Iran.
- [143:41]
Adam
Yeah.
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Pat
And I'm right. The U.S. share NATO budget annually is $4 billion. We are roughly 15% of that.
- [143:49]
Elon
You're saying that NATO's budget is only $4 billion?
- [143:52]
Pat
Yes. Yes, bro. Yes. But U.S. counts for 65 to 70% of NATO's defense spending, which is not that. Defense spending is like if you put all the militaries together and they spend 1.3 to $1.5 trillion. This is like a different way of explaining it. So you're Germany. I don't know how much I've done this numbers with everybody. This is why I kind of questioned this. You spend 80 billion on your military. You're France. You do 100 billion. You're, you know, UK, you do 120 billion. Whatever. You take all those guys combined, I'm us, I do 900 billion. We are all NATO. I'm 65% of the 1.5 trillion that we all spend in the military. But the NATO budget itself, we're 15 to 16%, by the way, 13% too much, 12% too much. But these are two different numbers that we're talking about here.
- [144:44]
Elon
So there's the military spending, but then there's also so, like the bureaucracy.
- [144:48]
Pat
900 billion that you're pulling up is how much we spend on our military. I don't want to spend two too much time on this.
- [144:54]
Tom
Adam. We can sum it up, really, based
- [144:55]
Pat
on the 15 to 16%. That's a lot.
- [144:57]
Tom
Correct.
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Adam
The point is, either way, we're overspending.
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Elon
We're funding NATO.
- [145:01]
Pat
Yeah.
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Elon
What is the famous quote that Mark Root said? The Secretary of Defense of NATO, didn't he say, listen, guys, you guys are talking trash about United States, talking about Trump. We need them. Without them, we're cooked. And the whole point that I'm making.
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Pat
Very true.
- [145:14]
Elon
When we needed them most with Iran, which Trump basically said, didn't even need you. Yeah, we need you with Hormuz.
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Adam
What are you doing?
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Elon
So it's just further proof that whatever is going on in Europe, the strange death of Europe is a real thing.
- [145:26]
Adam
The great irony here is that the intermediate range ballistic missiles can reach Europe. They're a bigger threat from Iran. You mean from Iran than to the United States. And yet Europe is just.
- [145:34]
Elon
That's the point.
- [145:34]
Adam
Closing their eyes and covering their ears and saying, no, no, no, we'll be fine. So the fact that they don't let us use their military.
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Pat
So let's go on. We're all on the same page here. The only thing is, numbers are very different. Yeah. So it's a. It's a different number that we have. Can we do the last story here before we wrap up? Because I got to run up to Max seven and let's try to do this in five minutes. Do we want to do the Drew Skierika Kirk or do we want to do Charlie Kirk, the bullet you're talking about?
- [145:58]
Adam
I mean, I was interested to hear.
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Pat
Okay, so let's go to that one. Let me go to that one. I'll read it to you and then I'm going to come to you because that was one of the stories that we had. A bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did not match the rifle allegedly used by the suspect, Tyler Robinson. New court ruling. This is a Daily Mail story. Let me get to page 17. And Vinny, I'll come to you first and then Elon, we're going to you right afterwards. And then Adam and then Tom, if you have any thoughts. We'll wrap up with that. But the bullet that killed Conservative commentary. Charlie Kirk does not match the rifle. Ty Robinson. Robinson, 22, is facing capital murder charges. But his defense attorney now argued that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, ATF and Explosive, was unable to identify the bullet recovered at the autopsy to the rifle alleged tied to Mr. Robertson. The defense team may now offer the the ATF team analyst testimony as ex culpitary evidence. They said in a motion filed on Friday to push the preliminary hearing back at least six months. It also notes that DNA reports filed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, NATF will take time for the defense team. Vinnie, thoughts?
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Vinnie
Well, and you said so. They said the ATF could not conclusively match the bullet fragment recovered in his autopsy from a.30 06 rifle. I've been looking at because I've shot 30. 06.
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Adam
Have you ever shot 30 out 6?
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Vinnie
Just. Just from audio. Can we just take one step back? Have you. Have you. You've heard it live.
- [147:16]
Adam
Oh, yeah.
- [147:17]
Vinnie
You heard that soon shot when Charlie was assassinated. God rest his soul. That's not the sound of a.30 06 shooting. Can you. Can.
- [147:25]
Pat
Do you.
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Vinnie
Do you agree to that?
- [147:27]
Adam
Well, what I. So here's what. I'll agree to. That if I were close to the.30.06, it would sound more concussive. And you. You know, it's a. It's a strong round.
- [147:34]
Vinnie
Yes.
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Adam
At range. I don't know what acoustics is. At range at, you know, 2,000ft away.
- [147:39]
Vinnie
What was he at? 200. Well, how many yards was he from Charlie Kirk?
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Adam
He was at about 2 to 300 yards. But then where was that recorded? Maybe about 400 yards. So I don't know how acoustics would pick up. That's. That's something. That's.
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Vinnie
So this basically just means that the prosecution no longer has the clean. I'm saying, from a legal standpoint, right, Elon? They don't have that clean moment where it's like, here's the bullet. Here's. You know, this is. This is the bullet. Because they're saying a fragment. Which. Which kind of bothered me, Elon. Because they were trying to remember. They were trying to say, who was it? Was it Andrew Colby? I don't want to say. Maybe. I don't know. He has super man bones and all that. No, like, bro, there's. From that shot. They should have. They should be able to recover the bull of a.30 06.
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Tom
Bro.
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Vinnie
And I've shot bullets my entire life. When it hits bone or pat anything, the bullet just melts and becomes something else. But there's still a bullet intact for them to say that. That it could not match. I get it. Because of the prosecution. They're looking for. I'm sorry, the defense is looking for anything, Elon.
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Pat
What.
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Vinnie
What. What is. Is being said, but from the official narrative, you add that into everything else that had it. I. I'm not 100. Did he shoot it? Did he not? I don't know. But where are you at with the fact that this, this piece of this bullet, they're saying they can't definitively match that it came from this, from the rifle.
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Adam
So I think this is where ballistics is so much more complicated than the average person realizes. And there's.
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Elon
It.
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Adam
It depends. Was it a full metal jacket? Was it. You know, the, the bullet type matters here. And there's. So one thing about bullets that is guaranteed is that they're unpredictable. Yes, that's the one thing. So the, the reality here of this being like a big story. Oh, they can't match it. The, the thing that really bothered me here was the. And this is the. Probably the bigger story is how the news reports these things did not match. That's not what they found. What they found is that it's not able to be used as evidence because it's too small a fragment. It's there. You can't match the striations.
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Pat
And this great title for.
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Vinnie
For articles Everybody had the world Bones.
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Adam
It feeds this massive, massive, massive hatred for the wrong people and could lead to all types of problems down the road. For the trial that this is becoming the norm. I mean this is done in virtually every big trial in jfk. The ballistics were pulled into question written house spectre. As for the 30 06, I know everyone is saying this. Everyone is saying how did it. How did he not have an exit wound? With a 3006 again, it can hit spine. It could change trajectory. It can head downward more into his body. I think there is. For me personally, I need to see evidence against the obvious evidence for me to believe in the conspiracy. I'm not saying it's wrong to investigate. I just think that this is a perfect example of things being taken out of context to create a narrative that is dangerous and that this is a normal occurrence.
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Vinnie
Can you with. With something this massive as a public assassination as Charlie could you brought up jfk. If you. If you've read the. The court documents and if you've seen the movie JFK where they proved in court that a magic. If you think about the word magic means make believe. They proved in court that a magic bullet and dude, they did the forensics of it. Rob, can you show that they proved that that happened. That happened. And then mind you mid. And this is what they prove that in mid. Once it came out of him, it reversed the bullet, which is impossible, reversed course and came back and then landed in his leg. And we. But we.
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Adam
Obviously that's impossible.
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Vinnie
Obviously, that's impossible. And guess what? They found the bullet. And Tom knows about this. In pristine condition. And that's what I'm saying, bro. When a bullet's coming out thousands of miles an hour and it's melt. It's. Dude, it's so freaking hot. They obviously lied in this case. And what has people. You know why people are so frustrated, Ilana, Why people ask so many questions is because everything else that the FBI and everybody told us to note the worst, because I'll give it right back to you. Think about just number one, just besides the bullet. George Zinn standing up, a guy that just randomly shows up to terrorist attacks. 911 Boston bombing. Stands up, says, it's me. That's the decoy. He's the decoy. The very next day, let me stop somebody from turning Point, forgot his name, jumps up, grabs the footage, hands it off to somebody else and goes, we just want to get it to the FBI. Another questionable thing. You don't touch the crime scene. Where are the cops? Number two, number three, they do construction the next day. I called the freaking school a week later. And I go, I'd like to talk to who. Who made the decision? She goes, hold on. Whispering in the back. We can't talk about that. Who are you? I go, I'm just curious. What. Click hung up on me. So people are going to. I understand 100% what you're saying. All the. All the ballistics and all this and all that. When you add all the other stuff. Elon. And then it's not. Now this is coming up. People are like, wait a minute. We know where he was shot. Allegedly. Now they're showing all this other stuff. It doesn't even look like a 36.
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Pat
Yes.
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Adam
So I actually agree that 3006 was a surprising round when they came out and said that. Because you would. But you did see a massive room. It did look like something concussive. Hard blast. What. What I will say is that the burden of proof on the truth, that people are now placing this distrust in the truth. I just hope that people maintain that same burden of proof for the conspiracy. Because it seems like now people distrust the truth and then the conspiracy comes along and with no proof whatsoever.
- [152:49]
Vinnie
Yeah, because. Because the government, just like with Epstein,
- [152:54]
Adam
then question everything equally.
- [152:55]
Vinnie
I agree 100%. And I agree. And I'll.
- [152:58]
Adam
I'll just finish with this, is that my big fear in all of this is after Charlie Kirk died, who was celebrating. Millions of leftists were celebrating and they have never been held accountable and it right away got distracted into a whole other thing. And so to me, that's the threat. Even if, by the way, even if he didn't do it, let's say it comes out that he didn't do it. The millions of leftists who celebrated that and dressed up like him on Halloween with a bullet hole in there are a threat to my freedom.
- [153:23]
Pat
You're right. And by the way, I think that's plenty for us to finish right there and wrap up the podcast with Tom. Adam we're going to wrap it up here, gang, for everybody that's watching. If this is one of your first or second moments watching Elon going back and forth, Elon is also on Manect. Feel free to manect him directly and learn more about him. Share this testimony today with the rest of us. Tom, thank you for your prayer, gang. Tomorrow Lee Strobel Case for Christ Podcast goes live tomorrow. Have an incredible weekend celebrating a very, very special day with your loved ones, with your family, and we will do this again on Monday. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye bye. Bye bye.
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