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Terrence Howard
Denzel, he told me, look at your hands, man. You're always like this. All these producers want to do is they try to open your hand and so they can put money in it, but you won't do it.
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Rob
You're in Hollywood, it's a hookup culture.
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Terrence Howard
I've dated them, but I never slept
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Rob
with anybody inside and never slept with anybody.
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Terrence Howard
Nobody's at the business. A healthy male still produce about 1500 sperm per heartbeat. So that desire to empty the storehouse is always there.
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Rob
The lines you use, I love it. I'd love to empty my storehouse with you today. How different is it raising boys versus girls?
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Terrence Howard
Girls are the hardest because men have game. I watch my daughters now and I'm scared to death because of the karma because I know the things that I did to women. So I have to make sure none of this stuff is around. And mind you, I didn't masturbate until I was 25 years old. I had them remove the television out of the room of the hotel cuz I couldn't stop, I couldn't stop. I kept watching it.
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Rob
You know, this whole thing with Valley, Tim and PBD podcast started with a phone, me and Mario, that's it. And it grew today to you know, 15 million subscribers almost and 164 full time employees. And that relationship. Are you watching us and supporting us Wouldn't happen without you. But did you know 51% of you that watch the content are not subscribed to the channel. And it would mean the world to us if you could press that subscribe button and notification why it allows us to grow, hire more, do bigger interviews, have a bigger team and deliver a better product to you. So if you haven't yet, if you don't mind, press that subscribe button. It would mean the world to us. Thank you so much.
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Terrence Howard
Did you ever think you were made again, Adam?
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Rob
What's your point? The future looks bright.
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Terrence Howard
My handshake is better than anything I ever saw.
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Rob
It's right here. You are a one of one.
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Terrence Howard
I send you. No,
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Rob
We're doing this again. How you doing?
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Terrence Howard
I'm really good, brother.
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Rob
You? It's great, very good. You know it's funny, I was running. My daughter had a recital today. She had a dance. She was a tiny dancer today. So I go in and a wife says babe, it's only 15 minutes. I go in eight, 15. And then the tiny dancer part is all the way at the end, but oh my God, you know when you're there, you're kind of going like this, you trying to get your kids to see you. And then she finally sees me. She runs up and. And I'm driving down here. School is a couple minutes away from here. And I know you always talk about being a father and it's typically, you know, last time we did the conversation, we didn't talk about this at all. It was a complete different conversation. We had a scientist from NASA with us, which was a great combo. How important is it to you to be a father?
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Terrence Howard
The hardest thing about being a dad is not being a hypocrite, not being a phony. You know, you try. And I realize I'm talking to my son about things that he's watching, but at the same time I'm hearing that for myself about things I shouldn't be watching. You know, I'm telling him to maintain his majestic comportment all the time, or telling both of them, you know, rule number five, six and seven, respect yourself, respect others, respect people's privacy. And then rule number four in our family is don't be obnoxious. But then I go to Disney World, Disneyland, and I'm sitting there and I get triggered immediately because they want to grab my bags and they're going through my bags aggressively and putting my stuff.
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Rob
Rule number four.
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Terrence Howard
Rule number four. And I get obnoxious and, you know, and throw attitude. And I'm like, I wouldn't want my child to do that. That's all you talk about. Yeah, they called me out about it. Not the kids didn't call me out, but the people did. They almost threw us out of Disneyland, you know, only I didn't curse or anything like that, but I was, I was angry.
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Rob
I was taking your back too.
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Terrence Howard
They take the bag when you come in because someone's recently got stabbed at Disneyland. This is in la. This is in la. So they're going through your bags literally. Like it's a serious search. And you know, measles is out right now. So at the time I'm sitting there like, wait a minute, you're taking the rags that I, that I'm going to blow my kids nose with and you're putting it on the same counter that you put everybody's bags. I was like, don't do that, don't. He was like, don't give me attitude. I was like, everybody's got attitude.
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Rob
He told you, don't give me.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah. And I'm like. And instead of taking a deep breath, like I, I do.
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Rob
Did he know you were or not?
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Terrence Howard
Did he write, no, he didn't know. Okay, but. But instead of taking a deep breath, you know, and thinking about maybe he's having a hard day, I took it personal. I got triggered. And then I'm, like, talking to everybody out in the world about maintaining your majestic comportment. Being calm. Abc, Always be cool. Always be calm. Always be comfortable with the consequences of your choices. And here my family almost lost the opportunity to be there because I lost my cool. And so I hate being a hypocrite as a father. You know, I hate not having the compassion to show the better side of me. So that's the hardest thing.
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Rob
What are the rules? What were the rules?
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Terrence Howard
It's. There's nine rules. Rule number one, put on your shoes, which means take care of your foundation. Make sure you're in a secure place. Rule number two, Stay out of the. Find the shade. It's fine. The shade.
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Rob
What does that mean?
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Terrence Howard
Well, in Southern California, it's a lot of heat, so stay out of the heat. But figuratively, it means find cover. So later on, when my children are older, I'll be able to say number two, and they'll know to find the shade. They'll know to get out of the way of danger. Number three, stay out of the streets. And that. That's. That tells itself. But number four is, don't be obnoxious. Number five is. Is respect yourself. Number six, Respect others. Number seven, respect people's privacy. Number eight, no headshots. You know, if you're gonna punch your brother, punch him in the chest. Punch him in the leg.
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Rob
Literally. That's one of the.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, no punching. No. No punching above the neck. No punching above the neck.
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Rob
No headshots. My boys have broken that one three times.
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Terrence Howard
And number nine is make way for life. And I respect all living things, and I follow that one for the most part, a lot. But, you know, I sometimes disrespect myself. I sometimes don't respect people's privacy. You know, so I try my hardest not to get caught up and gossip about somebody else all the time. So I'm learning these are my own rules that I. If I can live by them, my children can live.
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Rob
What? What? What was it? Because growing up, how many siblings was it? Was it two brothers or.
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Terrence Howard
There's 11 of us.
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Rob
There's 11 of you. Okay, So I know there. There's a. I know a couple of the names that I looked up, so 11 total.
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Terrence Howard
11.
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Rob
Same mom and dad.
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Terrence Howard
No, only four of us from the same mom and dad.
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Rob
Four, same mom and dad. Okay, what experiences as a Kid growing up changed the way you said, I'm not going to parent like this. I'm going to be a father like this. Or I'm going to be a father just like I was fathered. What, what experiences impacted your parenting?
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Terrence Howard
Well, my father, I mean, I was encourageable. I was. You, I was, you couldn't. I was indomitable as a child. So you tell me to do something, I'm going to, I'm going to do it just because you told me not to do it. You know, you don't have authority over me. So I got whooped every day by my father. So I told myself, when I have my children, I'm not going to whoop them, I'm not going to use corporal punishment on them, I'm not going to do any of that. But that's not what I ended up doing. Because. Because you start talking to them a thousand times and they don't listen. And then immediately you go back to the slave days and you're like, well, let me go get the, let me get the whip, let me go get the belt. Let me do all of this other stuff you're not supposed to do. But you find yourself still back into those places and you have to catch yourself, especially with the laws that's out here today. So now, because I got the, the benefit, had the benefit of, you know, doing some discipline before. Now if I'm walking upstairs to get the belt, then they straighten them out and I don't have to actually apply the belt. But it's hard. How do you raise young boys, you know, that are indomitable to respect authority and respect themselves and you know, it's, it's a, it's a tight balance.
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Rob
How difference is it, you know, raising boys versus girls? What's been girls down the hardest?
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Terrence Howard
Girls are the hardest because they're a little more manipulative, they're smarter, you know, the child inside the womb, the moment that the woman's belly wrecking body recognizes the little girl about three months of gestation, it floods it with estrogen and so it causes these connections between the left and right hemisphere. Almost three to five times the connections from what I've read that men have, you know, men have this myopic thing, you know, see this, go and do it. But girls contemplate everything. So the girls are so much smarter naturally than, than the men. And they learn how to manipulate, you know, they learn to cry, they learn the smiles, they learn all of that. And then they're gullible because they think they've mastered men by mastering manipulation. Daddy. And they go out and they try and do that into the world. So letting my two older daughters go. I watch my daughters now, and I'm scared to death because of the karma, because I know the things that I did to women when I was growing up, stuff I wouldn't want somebody doing to my daughter. That's just the reality. We don't, you know, like, me and my wife, we talk and she's like, I would love to make love. I would love to make love. I said, nobody's going to be sitting there talking about, you are so beautiful singing that while they're making love. I said, it's more of an aggressive act in some way. And maybe it's the things that I've watched.
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Rob
But you singing while making love. Yeah, you know, I'm just trying to vision, you know, man, you think some of these R B guys could put it off like Kevin Campbell or Keith
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Terrence Howard
Sweater, but nobody's doing that.
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Rob
That's impossible to be able to do it.
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Terrence Howard
You're not.
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Rob
You know what? I'm going to talk to my wife. I'm gonna try it this weekend.
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Terrence Howard
I try.
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Rob
What a task.
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Terrence Howard
I try it.
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Rob
But I mean, your voice is gonna crack, though.
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Terrence Howard
No. Yes. It's. I mean, but I mean figuratively, the singing, the.
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Rob
The Rob, what do you think? Are you thinking about it? Like, is this a challenge for you as well? Can you sing?
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Terrence Howard
No, it's not the singing. It's not the singing, but it's the, you know, it's the foreplay, and that's something that I have to learn to do. You. The foreplay is the love making.
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Rob
Right.
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Terrence Howard
You know, but then when you get to the, the penetration, that's. That's a different kind of act. That's, you know, that's a test.
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Rob
Intense.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah. There's no Keith Sweat playing in the back of your head. There's none of that.
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Rob
No music.
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Terrence Howard
Joe Cochran, nothing. You know, the dun and done rubbing, you know, so it's that balance. Men have this expectation because we've watched, I've watched. I watched a bunch of porn growing up. So I had a. An unnatural expectation of what should have taken place inside of. Inside of lovemaking. So I've had to learn, or trying to learn, you know, how to make love in a. In an honest way, in a. In a loving, honest way, in a loving way, not in some way.
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Rob
So you openly talk about that with your girls?
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Terrence Howard
I had to, I had to talk to my girls about. Do you know how many Women I've had encounters with that. If I bumped into them today, I wouldn't know their name, I wouldn't know their face. I was like, do you want to be like that for somebody? Because men have game, you know, And I hope that that's enough. But karma, karma doesn't allow that. My daughters probably end up having to deal with the same thing that I did to women, you know. So the karma scare you? Yes, it does it, but it actually sobers you, you know, wow.
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Rob
And. And, you know, the other day we went to one of our friends, his daughter, which is kind of like my niece. We're together all the time. She's got a first boyfriend, so she's in college. He flies in with her and they bring her over to our house and we're having dinner and we're playing a game and I'm watching them and I'm like, this guy is nice because the dad is a little bit of a brilliant guy, very technical. He has a side to him that he could be an asshole and he was too soft, like he couldn't be pushed around. Do you sit there and think about, like, you know, daughters typically date their fathers, you know, date a man like their fathers. Is that what scares you? Like they can hate you?
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Terrence Howard
Yes. And I know how manipulative I was. You know, my uncles were pimps, so I had a different understanding of how you dealt with women. That was the pimp that I played in. Hustle and Flow.
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Rob
Too natural.
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Terrence Howard
Too natural. You have to learn not to. You don't. I've got this rule, like, like when Satan asked Jesus to turn stone into bread to feed himself, I. I took from that. You do not turn stone into bread to feed yourself. You don't take a gift that's been given to you, you know, for selfish purposes. So if I had the proverbial gift of gab, it wasn't to be used to talk somebody into a threesome, something I wouldn't want somebody talking my daughters into. But I've done that, you know, in the growing up stages. And that is something that. It hits you. It constantly comes back. It constantly comes back. And that's the hardship of raising daughters over raising sons, you know, but nowadays you have to worry about, you know, sons being overly aggressive and getting killed, you know, because the men in my family are very aggressive, you know, and dealing with authority. So girls scare me, though, the most.
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Rob
How, how is it for you when you're with your wife and you're out? I don't. Maybe this has happened Maybe it hasn't happened. Where a woman approaches you and it's from back in the days of relationship. Has that ever happened to you?
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Terrence Howard
Only. We've only bumped into one girl that I've dated from the past.
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Rob
That means you don't get out much.
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Terrence Howard
No, we don't.
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Rob
Okay.
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Terrence Howard
I don't go.
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Rob
You don't risk it.
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Terrence Howard
And. And the girls I dated, I never dated anybody in the business. Really? No. Because, I mean, I've gone, yes, I went, I've dated them, but I never slept with anybody inside.
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Rob
Never slept with anybody.
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Terrence Howard
Nobody inside the business. Never. No, nobody I dated Campbell, I've gone out with. I'm not gonna run the list, but I've gone out with a lot of girls. I've slept in the same bed with them, but I would not, you know, I don't know why I wouldn't attack them. I wouldn't do that. That was.
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Rob
So you're in the business, you're in Hollywood. It's a business where you see everybody as, you know, for the most part, you'd see, they hook up. It's a hookup culture. You're shooting a movie, you're gone for 30 days. You know, you. I think it was Burt Reynolds. Who was it that wrote a book? Jolene. Jolene who? Who's the singer of Jolene? What's her name? Dolly. Dolly Parton writes, I think in a book. She says, we're doing a movie. You could fact check this, but I read this either in her book or somewhere, her and Burt Reynolds are doing a movie and they had never been together before. And she just says, listen, let's get it knocked out of the way so we don't even think about it. And then, boom, they go handle their business and then they do the movie could have been her or him or somebody else. But for you to say, nobody ever. It's not like you didn't have the chances. You're a good looking guy.
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Terrence Howard
I dated a lot of girls. I dated a lot of them. But at the time, still, I was battling between being a Jehovah's Witness or trying to study as a Jehovah's Witness. And. But there has to. There's a feeling of, you know, what is your prey, you know, you know, who has that interaction with you. And the girls are beautiful.
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Rob
No fantasy of wanting to be a Hollywood couple. Like, what if her and I. You never thought about it that way?
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Terrence Howard
Nah, that was never on the table for me.
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Rob
Jay Z with Beyonce. You see these couples where it's like,
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Terrence Howard
you know, I had a chance to date Beyonce, you know, early on, and we had a conversation, you know, and I ended up talking to the other girl inside of, you know, Destiny, the girl with the blue eyes. And I remember Beyonce looking over at me, and I think that's why she picked me to do that dance when she did this, the, you know, the kind of strip tease dance that we did at Bets or whatever, to show me what I had lost, what I. But I had. I was attracted. There was a moment in which I felt something there.
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Rob
But with Beyonce.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, but that was long before she was with Jay Z. That was very, very long ago.
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Rob
I mean, that was. They were big back then when they were coming up. They were very big when they were coming up.
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Terrence Howard
Destiny's Child.
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Rob
Destiny's Child. Yeah.
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Terrence Howard
That's what it was.
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Rob
Beyonce. Yes. I, I, I'm, I'm actually very surprised that that's not something you ever did. So it was always girls. So how did you protect yourself as a guy that's in movies. You're famous, you're a celebrity. Girls are throwing themselves at you. How do you protect yourself from not getting in trouble the way a lot of the other guys got in trouble?
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Terrence Howard
Well, you don't. You don't crap where you eat. At the same time, I knew that, that all of those things come back and the people inside the business, how many of them were hooking up, I didn't want to get involved with that. I didn't want somebody.
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Rob
Was a girl ever surprised when you said no to her?
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, somebody. A few girls was like, don't. One girl was like, don't you want to know what it's like to be inside of me? And I said, I said, I'm already inside of you. You know, we're already communicating. You know, I'm already there with you. But it wasn't the. We didn't have that passion. The passion wasn't there. When I met my wife, the entire world came together, and, you know, I understood eternity from meeting her. I didn't feel that with the other women, you know, so I had girls that I would hang out with. You know, everybody have. When you're growing up, you got some. And today I sit back and I think, that's somebody's. That's somebody's mother now. That somebody's grandmother now. You know, the stuff I was asking them to do, I mean, that's the regret. That's the regret. You just, you know, but you deal with it.
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Rob
Yeah. You know, does it at all bother you? When he talks about this stuff or. No, not at all. I'm amazed by that. Okay. Today they hit on him. With you there, how do you react to it? How do you handle it? How do you handle it?
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Terrence Howard
I mean, I handle it with. With grace and a smile. You know, like, guys try and talk to her.
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Rob
I mean, you have a beautiful wife, so it's not like, you know, both of you guys are.
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Terrence Howard
And we're not even married. We got divorced 12 years ago.
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Rob
Told me last time. But it's pretty much. But you guys are my other.
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Terrence Howard
This is my one.
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Rob
Yeah.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, this is my one.
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Rob
So it's not the main squeeze. It is the only squeeze.
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Terrence Howard
It's the only. Okay, that's good. The only squeeze. Because we're starting to look like each other. You know, she's actually become more me.
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Rob
That is so funny.
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Terrence Howard
You know, you see couples.
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Rob
Yeah.
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Terrence Howard
People with their dogs, you know, that's
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Rob
the dog for sure. Yeah.
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Terrence Howard
You look like the person that you are with. You behave like the person you're with. Yeah. So she's changed me a lot. But, you know, guys come up and try and flirt with her at other times, and she's so kind about it. She's like, wow, you're handsome. But not in this lifetime. Maybe the next one. Maybe she'll say that. Yeah, maybe the next one.
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Rob
Not in this lifetime. Maybe in the next one.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah. And it. It's a nice way of, you know, being flattered and also being let down gently. Yeah.
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Rob
So marriage and parenting, both questions, you know, When I'm building my national business, I was building an insurance agency, so I was on the road four, six months out of the year, going to all those other places. You're on the road all the time. When you do movies, I'm assuming. I don't know the life. I'm assuming you're on the road making movies. You know, how do you manage that? And parent and relationship. Marriage, how do you manage those? It's got to be super difficult.
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Terrence Howard
Well, the hardest thing is when you take your family on the road with you. You're not able to completely commit to the character you're trying to, but you come home and then you have to be husband, you have to be father, you have to be all of those things. But when you don't have your family there, you're kind of open to the wind. You know, everybody wants to hang out with you. So I've had to. My wife, she'll let me go to the job the first few days by myself, so I Can lock in maybe a week. But then after that she comes, you know, but she gives me a lot of space. And sometimes she'll give me a separate place, you know, because they'll provide a house for me, for the family, they'll provide housing for me, but then she will get a separate place where the kids are and sometimes will let me be over there if I've got to go and do the work I need to do. But that's the only way. I found that after two weeks apart, we change our chemistry, you know, where we used to be, like, oh, yeah, I'm so in love. I'm so locked in. I'm so. So everything. But as males, we still produce a healthy male, still produce about 1500 sperm per heartbeat. So that desire to. That need to. To share and. And empty the storehouse is always there. And after two weeks, that can become a problem.
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Rob
The lines you use.
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Terrence Howard
I love it.
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Rob
Listen, I'd love to empty my storehouse with you today.
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Terrence Howard
I have a delivery to make.
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Rob
How do you manage it is a real thing. I mean, if you're a man, it's a real thing. My guys would ask me, pat, how do you. How do you manage to, you know, when you have to empty the storehouse? How did you do it?
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Terrence Howard
You can either take the route of self abuse where you end up despising yourself afterwards, you know, or you can, all right, I gotta go work out, you know, or I need my wife to be here. So you go home. You know, I'm quick to fly back home and. But most of the time, you know, my one stays with me, you know, and it's not like we get to play every day. You know, you get older and you just. If it happens once a week. But now we spend so much more time communicating. You know, just touching her leg or my leg at night is what will help me go to sleep, you know, maybe at 57, this is just what happens, you know, but it's a good thing now.
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Rob
How do you deal with your mortality? Does it mess with you? Are you accepting it? Are you cool? You know, we just saw recently, is it James Van Der Beek that we lost from Dawson's Creek and he made a video about getting closer to God. I'm sure you saw Eric Dane, Robert Duvall. Yeah, And I saw a video of Robert Duvall back in the days of him doing an interview about Godfather and Marlon Brando on how opinionated he was about the role. But how do you deal with your mortality?
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Terrence Howard
I recognize that there's no Such thing as death. Because the energy, you know, the wave crests up and then it drops into a trough, and then it reforms up again. But even when it drops in a trough, it's still there, but it's just an unseen part of it. You know, there's no real death. Everything that comes from us ends up still feeding the next thing. And all living things feed off of living things. So it's a transitional process. And like, when I met my wife, it felt like her and I. I had been looking for her for a thousand lifetimes and didn't know that I had been looking for her. I felt eternity at that moment. And knowing that, okay, yeah, this is. This is starting to crack. The. The seams are starting to be seen in this. It means that a minute I get to relax again, I get to go back to sleep, and then when I'm reborn, and you know, my philosophy is everything goes from positive to negative. Breathing in and breathing out. So the next lifetime, I believe you end up as a male. You know, the older we get, what happens? Our testosterone drops. Our estrogen levels rise. Our prostate, which has the same fibers or tissue that's. That the uterus has. It begins to swell. And like women that typically go through their period and all of that, our bodies, when we lose our testosterone, is slowly becoming more effeminate. Naturally, you know, we get older, and we got to try not to grow boobs. And as. As men, you know, we get softer and all that. So I think in the next lifetime, you don't breathe in twice without breathing out once. So you go from masculine to feminine.
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Rob
So you think next lifetime you're going to be a woman.
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Terrence Howard
You have to go into the feminine.
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Rob
You really believe that?
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Terrence Howard
Oh, my goodness. That's the only way there would be equanimity. Otherwise, you know, you can't breathe in twice or three times without breathing out once. You have to. It has to be the ebb and flow. The cloud moves forward a little bit, then the cloud takes a step back, and then it pushes forward, and then it takes a step back. So that equanimity, I think, allows for karma to take place. Because what we've done in this lifetime as males will be done to us in the next lifetime as females. And sooner or later, you learn how to be extra medium and stay right in the center and not do too much.
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Rob
You really believe this? Honestly, When. When did you come to this conclusion?
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Terrence Howard
Maybe about 10 years ago. 10 years ago? Just looking prompted it.
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Rob
What?
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Terrence Howard
Just looking at the conversion of electricity into magnetism. Electricity does the same thing. It, it's always seeking that higher pressure condition. And when it gets to the very center, like it comes in through the North Pole and through the South Pole and when it gets to the center of the earth and has no place left to go, and it keeps still trying to spin right, and there's no room for it, so it's forced to spin to the left and it comes out as radiation, as magnetism at the equator. That, that's just the natural process. And if elements do the same thing, they start off lithium as a plus one and you get into the next octave at the very end of it. It's made as fluorine on this side, you know, plus one and a minus one. And you go into the next octave, the fluorine, which was the mate for, for lithium. Now in the next octave, that fluorine becomes sodium, it goes masculine. And then that sodium bonds with chlorine. And in the next octave, the chlorine becomes potassium. So it's going from male to female. And if, if as above, so below, you know, and if A is equal to B and B is equal to C, then A is equal to C. Find the common factor and multiply and divide. So if we are made up of all these elements, these chemicals that's doing these things and consciousness comes as a result of these interact actions, then the entire universe must take the same walk if one is doing it. The one thing that everything is based on, if the foundation, if this is how the foundation moves, I'm sorry, the boat is going to move according to how the seas move. And that's all we are boats or waves on this thing of the universe popping up. We still have to follow that path.
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Rob
Was this prompted 10 years ago by you having man boobs? And you said, maybe this is what's happened to me. Is that kind of like a, is that like, hey, I used to have muscles up here, I used to be able to flex?
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Terrence Howard
No, I think it started with a friend of mine was having prostate issues.
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Rob
How old was he?
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Terrence Howard
He was only 60 and he was having serious prostate issues. And I began studying what the prostate is like and, you know, trying to find a solution for him. And that's when I realized that the testes ultimately pull up and become ovaries and the, the prostate becomes the uterus. And in the feminine side, the uterus drops down and becomes the, the prostate, the ovaries drop down and they become testicles, the clitoris becomes the penis. All of that stuff, it's, it's Just an in and out process. The universe is very simple. It's not complicated. Now we can throw all these other things like you throw religion in there and it, it tells you that you're going to die and then you're going to float up into the heavens. But when have we seen that happen? How does that fit with the sustainability of, of our ecology, of our environment, of our universal flow? There's always a back and forth, you know, how is it that a male God had a male son without a feminine counterpart? If, as above, so below, you know, those are the things we, we follow these myths or religious understandings that, that we've been taught without questioning them, without question. If somebody said, oh, I had a dream today and an angel showed up and told me to do, da da da da da da da. Most people would look at them like they were insane. But most of our faith is based off of someone that had an interaction like that. But it was told to us by someone with authority. Our mother, our father. And it was told to them by someone with authority. And we give authority. And wherever they got that information, whether it's from the, the, the Hebrew Bible, whether it's from the, the Quran, whether it's from, you know, the, the ancient text of the Veda, we believe it based upon the authority that someone else has put in it. But many things we haven't questioned for ourselves.
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Rob
Used to be a Jehovah Witness.
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Terrence Howard
Yes, I used to study with Jehovah's Witnesses. I never got baptized.
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Rob
Oh, you never did?
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Terrence Howard
No, I never got baptized, but I studied for 25 years.
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Rob
For 25 years, would you have considered yourself a Jehovah's with.
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Terrence Howard
Yes, I considered myself just. I hadn't made it to the point of being completely dedicated and getting baptized.
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Rob
What, what prevented you?
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Terrence Howard
I have to drink some water for this. According to the Bible, it never rained on this planet until the year 2348 BCE 4370 years ago, or 4000. Yeah, 4730 years ago, I think Adam wasn't created, was created in the year. You know, depending on how you take it. The mesoretic text says that he was created in the year 4004 BCE other people have it at 4024 BCE. And if you look up and if you can Google or. Or hitch at the idea that it never raining on this planet in the 4.6 billion years that the standard model says, that hit me kind of strangely. And I began asking questions about that. Is it possible for there never to have been rain on this planet until the year 2348 BCE? They couldn't give me an answer for it. So I started doing research and I looked into glaciations and ice cores. And the deeper you look into the ice cores, you can go back almost 1.2 million years and you see the same recursion, recursive things that's taking place. And in order to have glaciers in those place means you have precipitation. In order to have precipitation, you have a hydrologic system that is functioning. And rain. Snow begins as rain initially, and it freezes. So that question right there made me stop. If you look at the. And mind you, I love. It's not that I don't believe in God, but the. What we've been taught is not lining up with archaeological truth. Archaeological facts. If you look at the tree rings, you know, they don't support the idea of an. Of a global flood. It supports the idea of perhaps a regional flood in a given area. But to support a global flood, all of those tree rings, you know, for water to be on the earth for 150 days and everything stops crushed underneath it, all the trees would die. So you would see a new growth pattern. But we still see tree rings that goes back 12,000 years. So there could. There was a flood. There's a number of reports for a regional flood. But as far as it being a global flood, that doesn't match according to archeological facts, according to the glacial facts. So I had to start questioning those things and remember we were told that the Bible is the word of God and man wrote it, but it was under inspiration. And I was like, well, if I look at 4004 BCE as the starting point for man being here, well, that doesn't match the genealogical records of. Of everyone coming up out of Africa and making their movement through Gobeki Temple. All of these places, they. 13,000 years old, other places showing that mankind has been here at least 300,000 years or at least a million years. So that was a hard thing for me because I felt like I was losing my religion, but at the same time, I was gaining my common sense that when they began writing about trying to understand what was taking place, they used the best tools that they had available at the time. But those tools, now we have more sensitive instruments. And so we should be using those sensitive instruments and using our common sense and take the stories that we can from. From these things, but not to. We have to walk away from fairy tales at the end of the day and hold on to truth and hold on to the God. When we pray, who do we pray to? Do we pray out there, or are we praying to a deeper place inside? The connectivity to the Creator and the thought that I had to go through an interceder, like, I'm a father. There's nothing that any of my sons could do or my daughters could do that they would have to go through somebody else in order one of my other children to talk to me. There's no way. And I'm not even a perfect father. I'm a loving father and a just father, but there's nothing that my son could do that would make me throw him into a fire and burn him for, you know, for eternity, for something he did for 30 or 40 years or even 80 years. The. The equanimity, it doesn't balance out. The reciprocity, it doesn't balance out, you know, And I'm thinking, God is love, so how can you do that too? But that's what some of the scriptures are talking about, or that's what some of the faith believes in, that Jehovah's Witnesses believe that. No, you just die and you're wiped out forever. And that's a loving thing. But they were never able to explain the. Or help me to reconcile the dates of Bible chronology based upon archaeological truth.
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Rob
What did your father believe in?
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Terrence Howard
My father was a Muslim.
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Rob
He was a Muslim.
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Terrence Howard
My father was a Muslim.
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Rob
About your mother?
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Terrence Howard
My mother was a Baptist.
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Rob
And was he a practicing Muslim?
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, he's a practice. He was so he became a Muslim when he went to prison.
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Rob
So did you ever become a Muslim?
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Terrence Howard
Yes, my name was Suleiman, you know, practice a lot. Did all of that for how long? Up until I was 13.
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Rob
Up until 13, you're Muslim? And then how did you walk away from it?
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Terrence Howard
I've talked about this before, but there was a day I came home and all of the brothers from Maastricht was over at the house. And there was this, this brother Yakub, you know, very kind, loved his scent to love his nature. But apparently he had castrated Wino, a homeless person, for urinating on the masjid.
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Rob
He castrated him?
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Terrence Howard
Castrated him.
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Rob
And he's sharing the story with you and.
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Terrence Howard
No, no, Everybody's around like 13 of the brothers from the mosque are there because Yaqub has been arrested and they're talking about that. And he, they were sitting. The argument was. The conversation was, well, he shouldn't have, you know, defic. You know, he shouldn't have castrated. Well, he shouldn't have. What is the term? I can't desecrate. That was it. He shouldn't have desecrated the holy temple by urinating on the mosque. That was what they were talking about. They weren't talking about the fact that this young man or older gentleman was also a child of God that may have been lost. And I was like that. It was so severe.
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Rob
You're overhearing this conversation?
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Terrence Howard
Yes, I'm sitting now. I'm in the stairs and they're in the living room.
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Rob
So you're not part of the conversation the 13 men are having.
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Terrence Howard
I'm just listening.
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Rob
Got it.
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Terrence Howard
And it could have been 12, but it felt like, you know, all the seats were taken up. And so at that moment I started questioning Islam in that regard, because the God of love, you know, I couldn't see that happening. So then I started exploring, you know, Methodists explored Catholicism. And then by the time I'm like 17, I bump into witnesses and they tell me about the truth about Christmas, the truth about Easter, the truth about all of these things. And I believe it because it is the truth. But when it came to, they tell you stay away from astrology. And I'm like, why do you stay away from astrology? But I listened. And then when I did my research, astrology came from astronomy. All of our religion. The 12 plan, the 12 constellations that the sun goes through became the 12 disciples. The sun dying on the 21st of December, you know, and being dead for three days. And then on the 25th, it rises again and becomes that Southern Cross. I was like, wow. They wanted me to stay away from astrology because it was the basis of most religions. And so that was a red flag.
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Rob
Interesting.
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Terrence Howard
That was a very. Is a huge red flag for me.
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Rob
Well, let me ask you, you know, to me, there's a couple ways with this, right? One of them is the actual debate, which is the, you know, theological debate you can have on faith. And that can go for hours, right? You know, Christianity, Muslim, you know, Jewish, you know, Seven Day Adventists, you know, Mormon. We can go that route. That's one side. From your experience, you've traveled all over the world, you've been all over the place, you've been around everybody. Who do you think produces the best societies and produces the best safest results?
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Terrence Howard
Well, the Buddhists, for the most part, because they don't really put anything into a higher being. The Buddhists are more so the interconnectedness of the universe, you know, the entanglement and doing things based on karma, based upon. But without the idea that you want to gain something in return from it. That's more of a living way, you know, instead of a worshiping way. A lot of our worship now has become something perfunctory, you know, and it's transactional. If I do good, then I can ask God to help me and people do things and hoping they're going to get something in exchange instead of balancing and doing good just from the sake of doing good, you know, because it's the right thing to do. That's what not. Rule number nine is make way for life. You got to take. You're going to have to take in this world, but take responsibly and give as much as you take. If you're going to eat a piece of fruit the Buddhist way, the human living way, be appreciative that you got the. The flesh of the fruit. But why not go and plant the seed? Why do we throw the seed in the trash? The embryo. Why do we throw the plant's embryo into the trash? Why don't. Since it's sustained us, why don't we go and plant that somewhere, you know, and maybe when our children or one of our seedlings is out there in the world and somebody uses it, they'll also place it in a good place. So it's for the karma of it. But I don't follow, you know, any religion, anyone?
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Rob
They. Nothing.
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Terrence Howard
No religion. But I pray constantly.
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Rob
We pray to how does it start the universe?
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Terrence Howard
Because I believe the entire universe is God.
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Rob
You say, dear Heavenly Father, or what
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Terrence Howard
do you say, I have a name.
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Rob
You have a name.
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Terrence Howard
God, I have a name.
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Rob
But it's not dear Heavenly Father. You haven't.
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Terrence Howard
No, it's because it can't just be Heavenly Father. It can't just be just a man up there, a male figure. It has to be both a masculine and a feminine side of the deities in order for there to be balance with it. But there's an energy, and the masculine has always been the electric. The feminine has always been the magnetic, you know, the discharging, the expansive. And so when I. When I balance with that and I see everything is God, there's no part that's not made from the Creator. It wasn't just man that was made in the likeness of God, you know, because when you look at the. At. At how everything is born, how it's raised, how it's. How it gestates inside of the body, it still takes the same curl, it still unwinds the same way. The same thing in hemoglobin, same thing in chlorophyll, same thing in the blood of the cephalopods. Just one or two trace elements is changed in the center of the nucleus. So there is nothing that's not made from the Creator. And so instead of God living, where. Where in the universe is God? Is he, you know, near Alpha Centauri somewhere, or is he outside of the universe? No, I believe the universe collectively is God. Therefore all of us are part of the Creator. You know, I'm as small as when I want to be small, I think about Terrence Howard, but when I want to be large, I think about Terrence Howard in the universe, and Terrence Howard disappears. And then now I'm a part of everything.
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Rob
Have you ever read Conversation with God?
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Terrence Howard
Yes.
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Rob
What do you think about it?
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Terrence Howard
I loved it.
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Rob
Okay.
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Terrence Howard
I love.
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Rob
Was it recent or was it.
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Terrence Howard
That was 20 years ago. Okay, that was 20 years.
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Rob
Just. I'm just wondering, like, you know, because you'll hear words being used and it's, you know, the universe. I'm like, okay, so that's. Sometimes folks who read the book Conversation with God, they would speak the language that way. And some people had a bad experience with a person who was a member of a church, and then there's a fallen out for me. I was an atheist 25 years. I had nothing but bad experiences. And I was like, I'm not even dealing with it. And then I met with a man whose name was Mano, and he said the most powerful thing to me, he says, if you judge God horizontally, you'll always be disappointed, you know, because people will let you down. They will, you know. But if you judge it vertically, you know, that's where the relationship begins, because it's you and him. And that's the element of faith, you know, because for somebody like you, would you consider yourself a very analytical guy? I think you're very analytical.
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Terrence Howard
I'm analytical. I examine things, but I'm very emotional at the same time.
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Rob
You wouldn't be in the business you're in if you weren't. So it's a good balance of both. Right, right brain and left brain. How do you manage faith? How do you deal with faith?
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Terrence Howard
Well, like you said, with conversations with God, I believe every conversation is with God because everything is, is, is divine, you know. And so when I deal with people, a gentleman told me once, he said, in every person you meet, there's this little piece of God in them. That's who you talk to. And then I added to that, but make sure they see it in you first. And so that's how I deal with faith. I'm. I approach everyone as if I'm talking to the Creator. And I wish I had talked to that gentleman at Disneyland. Like, okay, wait a minute. This is. This is God right here. Instead of. Instead of this insignificant worm that is stopping me.
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Rob
He's going to Manect you. He's going to be like, Terence. I'm so sorry, because Terence Howard is on Manect. If you got any questions, you can always Manect them here. We're going to put the QR code below, but you ever heard of Hafiz the poet?
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Terrence Howard
Hafiz? No.
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Rob
He's a Persian poet. I'm trying to find this thing because of what you said. I read this many years ago, and he said something about, man, I gotta find this, because I think you would love it. He says, okay, God is speaking through everything, through the wind, through the flute, through your own breath. So sometimes it kind of goes to. And if you go a little bit deeper in it, he says, sometimes God speaks through you. He uses human beings as a way to communicate to you. That's. And by the way, Hafiz is like Rumi. I'm sure you've heard of Rumi, if you know Roomy in Iran, many times. I'll talk about Hafiz as well. So faith for you is in conversations with. Okay, so let me ask you this. Being in the. In Hollywood, you've acted with a lot of different, you know, guys in a Business. You've done movies with some of the best. And you know, we talked about one time which movie you were in, which was my favorite. The one with Channing Tate. What is the name? Fighting. Oh my God. The way you played and that movie. I watch it multiple times because of how we talked about it last time. What did anyone in the business tell you about faith? Are there a lot of people that believe in God? Is it more those who don't? Is it more? Because, you know, I'm curious, like, you're on the set. Okay, guys, we got a three hour break. You're sitting there with somebody that you're doing a movie with. What are some of the most profound things any colleague told you about relationship with God and faith?
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Terrence Howard
Well, most of them have lost their faith. You know, they talk about God because it's a good talking point. You know, I like to thank God for all of these things, but they never identify, you know, everybody. A God is anything that you worship. You know, some people's God is money because they do anything for it. They'll sacrifice themselves, they'll sacrifice their children. You know, some people's God is lust, and they're willing to sacrifice all of that. A God is something that you put, that you will trade everything for or you turn to, you know, when you're doing nothing else. So most conversations on set, you know, are, are as shallow as you can imagine because these actors, they're scared. They're scared. We come, we come into the business because, not that we want to perform, but we're hoping to be validated. We're hoping that, you know, so the kids that tease me in school will know that he's an important person, he's somebody worth listening to. So when you're on set, most of them has had to trade in a lot of their beliefs and the things they hold precious to themselves because they're in to get into that place, to get into that business, that it makes them not want to talk about faith because they feel short in themselves. But they don't realize that all you got to do to wash yourself is truly just to wash yourself. Every day you go to sleep, it's like death. You're dying. You die according to your sins. And next morning you're able to wake up with a fresh hit. Now you can go and be, be a grave digger and go dig up the bones from yesterday and follow it. So the conversations I have with people is mostly about, you know, you got to remember that God renews I, I am what I shall Become who was
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Rob
the best example of somebody you watch? Like what you said was mind boggling. You never slept with anybody in the business. Never. You said you laid in bed with them and one of them asked you, don't you want to know what it feels like to be inside of me? And you said, I already am. Right. By the way, you said inside of me. You know where it took me, Rob? You know that movie Forgetting Sarah Marshall, where he's singing inside of you? Do you know which one I'm talking about? He's hilarious. Inside of me. He is so funny. Was there anybody where you're like, man, what a devout, disciplined, you know, man of faith or woman of faith to be in Hollywood. Was there any one example where it was. You were blown away by.
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Terrence Howard
Now because most of girls have had to trade so much to get there. They don't have. They know that that's part of the transactions.
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Rob
100% of them.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah. The interesting thing was Nia Long once. Not that we dated or anything, but we were doing this movie Butter. I mean, Nia, I've got to. I give her a lot of credit because she's probably responsible for me being the actor I am today. Because Nia. Because Nia would constantly go, and anytime she was on a project, she'd be like, you need to bring Terrence here. You know? Who's Terrence? Oh, this is dope. Da, da, da, da. Well, one day we're on the set and we're flirting and we had talked about, okay, let's hang out afterwards. And so I get in my car and I'm like, okay, so you know, where do you want to meet up at? And she's like, if you think I'm gonna let you come home and have your way with me, you got something else coming.
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Rob
She said that?
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, but she said it in a good way because it was, it was. We. There was. There was an attraction there. But she was like. And we've been great friends for 20 something years since then, you know, Another girl, she's not an actor.
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Rob
Neil Long is a dime.
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Terrence Howard
She is gorgeous. Yeah, she's a whole dollar. Yeah, she is a whole dollar. You know, she was. But at the integrity, the foresight that she showed, you know, because afterwards you. We knew it wouldn't have been a forever relationship.
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Rob
That didn't make you want to pursue it even more.
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Terrence Howard
No, it made me. I dig her. I dig her for seeing the truth. Yes, she. She spoke the truth. She spoke the truth.
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Rob
Was she with somebody at that time or both of you guys were.
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Terrence Howard
We were both single.
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Rob
And is she married to. I don't know if she's married.
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Terrence Howard
She was married, I think. Think she got divorced recently, but. Wow.
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Rob
Interesting.
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Terrence Howard
Okay, but that one got me.
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Rob
Who else? You were going to say somebody else.
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Terrence Howard
I'm not. I don't know.
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Rob
Okay, so Nia long. To me, Nia was. Oh, wait, she was with that coach?
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Terrence Howard
Yeah.
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Rob
You gotta be kidding me.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, she ended up marrying him.
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Rob
Oh, I didn't know that. Interesting. And he had some controversy tied to him.
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Terrence Howard
He was, yeah, yeah. I mean, you got all the girls there around you. I don't know what happened, but something happened. But just the fact that she had the integrity and the foresight to saying, no, this isn't going to go where, you know, she was really looking for love at the same time, you know, one of my best friends or someone that used to be my best friend, girl named Stephanie Bakla on, you know, who we met to date. But then we got in the car, we smoked a joint and sat there in front of the parking lot in Ready to Go somewhere. And we realized we're going to be buddies for life. And so I ended up sleeping on her couch for six months when I had. I didn't have work or anything like that. And that's where John Singleton. Singleton came and met me. And I ended up getting hustle and flow, you know, she was a really good person, but that came as a result of us having an attraction. But recognizing that the attraction. Just because you're drawn to somebody doesn't mean it has to culminate in sexuality, you know, and sometimes we go to that base. Oh, wow. Yes. Nicole. Ari Parker. What happened there? We were doing a movie together and we kind of felt like, oh, you know what? We're playing boyfriend and girlfriend. And there was a bit of an attraction. And we're sitting there laying in bed, clothes on, but watching tv. This is long before she met Boris or anything like that. And we looked at each other like, what are we about to do? And we laughed and we've been super close ever since. You know Marvin Gaye's daughter. Yeah. Nothing happened.
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Rob
Listen, some people are watching the saying, you're a saint. I mean, this is.
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Terrence Howard
No, not a saint.
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Rob
So you believe. You believe in men and women can be friends without having sexual attraction.
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Terrence Howard
And, well, you have the attraction, but you just. Just don't act on it. And if you feel something like. If I'm. If I feel like I have a great attraction towards somebody. I was doing a movie with this Girl. Nikki. I forgot. What's Nikki's last name? Weird.
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Rob
Nicole was in booking.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah.
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Rob
Boogie Nights.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah.
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Rob
Who was she in Boogie Nights? She wanted to be a Boogie Nights. I didn't know she was. And by the way, just. Just so the audience knows your wife is given these names because we've talked about it.
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Terrence Howard
I'm sure we've talked about it. I.
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Rob
That's cool.
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Terrence Howard
I dated Marvin Gaye's daughter for a bit, and we never slept together or anything like that. But, you know, I'm more of a. You know, I want to get to know who you truly, truly, truly are. And then you try and take your walk to see where if there's an. If there's a. Yeah. Nona. Nona. And they respected her because nothing had.
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Rob
So nothing happened.
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Terrence Howard
So.
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Rob
Yeah. I'm trying to think. Have I ever laid in bed with a girl when I was single, watching a movie? Science was listening. You have. What is the. What was the phrase Rob he shared earlier? The 1200 storehouse. Emptying the storehouse. Wow. So emptying the storehouse, you're able to control protecting that storehouse in these moments?
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Terrence Howard
I just knew that it wouldn't turn out the way I wanted it.
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Rob
How did you know that, though?
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Terrence Howard
Because you know, your prey, you know what they'll taste like. You know what it'll feel like, you know, when you have a perfect connection with somebody, you know that.
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Rob
How can you tell that? How can you tell that?
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Terrence Howard
Pheromones. Your whole body responds to them. It's no longer a hit game. It's, you know, it's. It's a soul game. And if you wait for that, then every interaction you have, like, all of these girls, you know that, like, when they started talking about me and domestic violence, and I'm like, all the people that know me have to know that that's not who I am. You know? And whether they accepted it or didn't, it didn't matter. But I was like. But the girls that know me out there, when they called me a. Said I was a slut or, you know, a womanizer and all that, and I'm like, no, you're associating me with the characters that they've made me play. And that's been the hardest thing, is showing that there's a differentiation. Just because you make me play security guard doesn't mean I'm a security guard. You know, I may be a gardener at home. I may be all of these things. Just because I'm a play Bank. Bank president doesn't mean that I'm, you know, that I'm fiscally or financially mature or any of those things. This is just what I do throughout this day.
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Rob
So hard though, on this side, because on this side, like, we're watching Game of Thrones and I swear to God, if I see the actor Joffrey anywhere, I'm gonna be like this guy like you. You literally watch it. You're like, what a piece of. You know, you watch the mom, you know, you watch some movies.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, the Game of Thrones messed me up, you know, and I think it messed up a lot of the world because it got everybody into incest porn, you know, because people started watching it. And how many people turned off the TV when Jamie and Cersei's hooked up? Or how many people got quiet and watched it? That was the incest that was pushed inside of Game of Thrones and the House of Dragons. You know, it's almost being normalized in a sense. It's. But I bet you incest porn went up from what? From Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones, you know, you. It's presented for seven, eight years in front of you now. It's normal.
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Rob
I got a manect the other day and he sends me a manect first. And then I'm like, hey, you know, he says, hey, you gotta talk about porn on Grok. I said, yeah, we'll talk about it. He says, no, I don't think you understand. This is serious. You have to talk about the challenges of porn on Grok. I said, we will. And he keeps Manectin back. And this is like six or seven minutes later. And then he finally says, listen, let me tell you why you have to talk about it. I'm addicted to it. I don't know how to let it go. I said, what do you mean? He says, grok porn allows you to pick and choose whatever fantasy you want. And it says it. You can ask for a 19 year old girl doing this to this person in this position and that position and this. And I. I think it's horrible. I'm addicted. I can't let go of it. I don't know what to do, you know? And he's sending me a message like this, right? So, you know, I was in the military. We had a guy in the corner, he was a sergeant. You'd go to his office. He was the most famous sergeant at our unit. Do you want to know why? He had 2000 cassettes of any porn you wanted. So Friday night, Saturday night, I'm coming back from the Gym. All I'm hearing is, you're hearing the sound in the corner and he's blasting it. So all these 18 year olds are coming to his room to watch it. And he's 32 years old. E5. Let me tell you what I've collected over the years. He was a legend, right? And it's to himself. I have the best stuff back nowadays right here.
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Terrence Howard
It's right there.
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Rob
And then think what AI is going to do on whatever crazy situation you want. What impact does that have when a boy watches it or a man watches it?
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Terrence Howard
When I was a kid, in order to see porn, you can get the magazines or you'll be at a wealthy friend's house and they had some videos. But it was a rare opportunity to see it. The proliferation of it today, you know, I don't know how you avoid, avoid it. Like for me, I still have to be careful. I try and put my, make sure that my phone, my computer and all of that is inside of the casita and not near my bed if I'm away from my family, you know, because you still have the desire to go back into watching. And I was, wow, who was I talking to? What is his name, honey? God, and I love him. I'm having a senior moment. He played hop. He was the, the voice in hop. Yes, the voice and hop. Not, not him, but the actual voice.
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Rob
Russell Brand.
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Terrence Howard
Russell Brand. I was talking to Russell Brand and I remember saying to him, you know, yeah, I still watch porn periodically.
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Rob
He's saying that or I said that
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Terrence Howard
to him and he was like, what? It was like, you really should research that. You really should research what's taking place with that. And, and I, when I did the research and considered what I want my child in that position. When I put it back to that, when I put it back to it, then you, you're like, you, you take a moment, you know, if you can catch yourself. But if once you start going, once you've gotten on that train, you know, it's over. Once you've turned it on, turned on a computer, it's over. So for a man, it's a lot of self control. So I have to make sure none of this stuff is around. And mind you, I didn't masturbate until I was 25 years old. Only because my father was so staunch about, about manhood, you know, And I'm like sitting there thinking, this is a man's hand touching my penis. That, that's homosexual. I'm getting off. If I'm getting off rubbing your dad
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Rob
told you if you masturbate, it's a man's hand touching.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah. And so for me, I didn't masturbate for the first time until I was 25 years old. And I, I wish that I had maintained that like for a second.
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Rob
You went back to the first time you went there. You.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, I was in Czech Republic. I was in Prague.
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Rob
Remember it?
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Terrence Howard
Yeah. I was inside the hotel and I had watched porn before, but I just would watch it and this was the first time that I actually went there. And then I had them remove the television out of the room of the hotel. I was shooting Arts War because I couldn't stop. I couldn't stop. I kept watching it and I was like, oh, wow. So pushing the easy button. Pushing the easy button, Czech Republic. And you get.
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Rob
Shout out to check, you get, you,
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Terrence Howard
you get, you get caught into it. So even at 57 years old, I have to be careful and, and to check myself. So that rule number five, respect yourself, respect yourself, you know, and I sit there and think about, you know, what Maximus, you know, be sitting off in this, in a cell doing that, you know, from Gladiator. I'm like, Because I loved who he was and I put that into my head. I try to.
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Rob
Is that really what you would do?
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, I'd sit there and, and think
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Rob
about, would Maximus masturbate in jail?
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Terrence Howard
Would be with the people that I look up to, you know, did Socrates? Was Socrates involved in that? And if, if there are, you know, I know that I don't necessarily believe about angels and things of that nature, but I know that there's other dimensional beings because there's other, there's other temporal dimensions. You know, things are moving at a different rate, a different pace. And based upon the individual that came and shared all that knowledge with me about the science, I'm like, okay, are they looking at me like I look at my dog when he's licking himself? You know, is that who I am? And if I could, would I, would I do what my dog is doing? You know, so I compare it like that to pull me back.
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Rob
How promiscuous. Were you at your peak?
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Terrence Howard
Oh, at my peak, I, I was dating about four or five girls, you know, that I would go and hang out with.
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Rob
You know, was it interchanging or same.
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Terrence Howard
It was that would meet new girls, meet new girls all the time.
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Rob
I asked a question because did you ever go on a run where for like a five year period, ten year period, it was just, I was expl.
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Terrence Howard
I explored my dark Side I explored my dark side. I did the Carl Jung thing. I explored and embraced my shadow, you know, and then you realize you have to get to your lowest point. And that lowest point was sitting there watching porn, you know, and starting to use my gift of gab to talk girls into doing those things.
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Rob
At what age did you realize you had that? How early? Well, that did that famous or that was.
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Terrence Howard
It was about in, in my 30s.
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Rob
On your 30s, what was the first time you had a sexual encounter with a girl?
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Terrence Howard
Oh, I was four. That, that was different. I was four. It was the older girls that were watching me, you know, and they were like six and seven and so that changed.
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Rob
Did you say four years old? Four years old with six and seven year old girls?
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Terrence Howard
Yeah. And we did that every day until I was like 13, you know, had more sex then than I've had in my adult life. So my expectation for interaction was always was those things.
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Rob
I'm still confused. You said four years old. Four years old and they were six or seven?
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Terrence Howard
Six and seven.
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Rob
Were they Muslims?
- [68:07]
Terrence Howard
No, no, no, no.
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Rob
This is because your father with.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, my father wouldn't have known. But when you're not supervised and you
- [68:14]
Rob
guys are just fooling around, it.
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Terrence Howard
We're just fooling. We played hide and go get pants up, pants down. That, that was my experience. And I'm like, I look at my, my sons, 8 and 9 now. No, 9 and 10 now. And I can't imagine them getting involved in, in that, you know, But I lost my innocence. You know, it's. It's effectively being molested. But then you have this.
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Rob
Not grown girls.
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Terrence Howard
Six, seven year old girls. They were seven. They're about two years older than me. Me and my brother.
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Rob
How long did that last?
- [68:47]
Terrence Howard
Up until we're like 13. But all the kids in the neighborhood was doing that.
- [68:51]
Rob
Oh, this is a neighborhood thing. You guys are just not playing and you're doing this.
- [68:55]
Terrence Howard
We played. Hi. And go get.
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Rob
What neighborhood was this?
- [68:57]
Terrence Howard
This is in Cleveland. Cleveland, Ohio? Yeah. Wow. 30th and Centro.
- [69:02]
Rob
Who's watching over you? Are you living with women? Dad's in prison.
- [69:05]
Terrence Howard
My dad's in prison. My mom. Well, my dad had just gotten out of prison, but then he goes. Then he's at work all the time, you know, and trying to hustle a job because it was hard to get a job after that. And then my mother's in school, so. And I didn't know. I. It felt like it was wrong, but I didn't know, mom, never. That it was no No, I wish they did. I wish they did. I wish I had never done that. I would probably have been a completely different person. But it gave me an askewed view of interaction. I kept thinking that, you know, everybody was promiscuous like that. So by the time I get 16, 17, you know, I've done enough to where I'm starting now. The spiritual side of me is starting to show up, you know, but then I slipped back into it at 25, you know, and for 25 to 30 something, you know, we're still trying to be a Jehovah's Witness, but still having this. This urge taking place and, you know, the bad things I had learned from my uncles and all of that influencing me. And it takes you a long time to try and get back to who and what you really, really are. But, yeah, that really messed me up that.
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Rob
Are you kidding me? Like, to see if I haven't. I've talked to a lot of different people. No one's ever told me they had more sex between 4 to 13 than you're saying any other than I've had
- [70:25]
Terrence Howard
in my entire adult life.
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Rob
Stop.
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Terrence Howard
Because there's no. There's no orgasm, you know, until you're about 12, 13. So.
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Rob
And when you're saying sex, you're saying intercourse.
- [70:38]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, we had intercourse. Was having intercourse at 4.
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Rob
How did I mess you up as an adult later on?
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Terrence Howard
Well, because you think about the innocence of a child and having to deal with those adult circumstances and situations, you're not mentally prepared for it. So now I'm so super protective of my children, of other people's children. I'm like. I'm. You know, when we have a family, a friend come and visit, and they've got an infant, I'll secure the whole house and put pillows everywhere. I'm just overly protective because I wanted somebody. I'm trying to protect me. My kids are never alone. They are never alone without two, at least two people watching them, you know, just because I don't want what happened to me to ever happen to them.
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Rob
What a perspective. So somebody who is not. Probably nothing happened to them, so they think automatically everybody is safe. But for you, since it happened to you, you're always paranoid of what could happen.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, I mean, I. You couldn't. When I was 13, you couldn't trust me with your daughter. Because I thought the way the interaction was, you know, you. There's. There's this play that we do. You know, I didn't pull myself fully together until I was about maybe 15 about 15, I started seeing the. I started seeing where I could head to. You know that. No, because there was a girl that I wanted to marry, and I. I loved her. I love this girl. And she. This is. She wanted to have sex and I didn't want to have sex. This was like 14. I just started studying the Bible and really coming around to who I was, who I would ultimately become. And she ended up having a train ran on her by my friends, you know, because I didn't want to have sex with her. I didn't know she was a freak. I didn't know that she was trying to be free like this. So it was.
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Rob
You don't know her reputation.
- [72:45]
Terrence Howard
I know she didn't have a reputation at the time, but she was ready to explore.
- [72:50]
Rob
So she had. The train had happened or had.
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Terrence Howard
No, it happened.
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Rob
She's thinking about it.
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Terrence Howard
She. Yeah, she. It happened after because I wouldn't do something with her. So that's what I'm saying. I would have the ones that I loved, I didn't want to touch. The ones that were special, I didn't want to touch. But I was treating other people'. Yeah. Like, oh, well, she's not somebody I want to marry or anything.
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Rob
Father ever find that and come and get you and want to be.
- [73:14]
Terrence Howard
I wish they did.
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Rob
A brother? Nothing.
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Terrence Howard
I wish they did.
- [73:16]
Rob
Really?
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Terrence Howard
No, because they were every. The brothers.
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Rob
What would be the number? Like, how many girls would you say from 4 to 13?
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Terrence Howard
Oh, at least a hundred. At least 100.
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Rob
From 4 to 13. At least 100. Oh, my goodness.
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Terrence Howard
And you don't want. It's not something that you. Yeah, yeah. You're sitting there looking at your life like, wow. So that's what made a difference for me when I got older. I didn't want, you know, when I would be next to these people, I. I knew that feeling of taking that walk. A lot of people didn't explore sexuality enough to where they had an opportunity, you know, to sow their wild oats at that earlier age. And. But it's literally. It's how the system, the government has been set up to where the father and the mother are not at home. There's no caretakers taking care of, looking after, you know, the most important part of the family anymore at that time,
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Rob
when that's going on. Would. Would you. I have like, 50 questions. Sexually transmitted. Did anybody get anything? Anything and nothing. So none of those things happen. Did you witness older men coming in, taking advantage of younger girls or.
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Terrence Howard
No, no. But what I did see, well, There would be some 16 year olds, you know, messing with younger girls and. But that was all normalized inside of the community. It did not. That was just the transaction. That was how we played. I thought it was normal.
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Rob
And you guys called it a game.
- [74:56]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, we, you know, let's play hide and go get.
- [74:59]
Rob
And you're saying that to like three girls are with you. You're saying that. Or is it you and your buddies
- [75:03]
Terrence Howard
and three girls there, about eight of us hanging out. And you know, we'd all like hide and go seek, but it was hide and go get. And you would decide pants up or pants down. And that's. I would hate for my child to be doing that this day. And it causes you to forget most of your childhood because you don't want to remember.
- [75:22]
Rob
That's.
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Terrence Howard
You don't want to remember those things. But those are the things that, that, that painted me, you know, with my father being sent off to prison with. With my mother trying to have the career instead of taking care of us because she didn't get the career that she wanted.
- [75:38]
Rob
What did she want to do?
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Terrence Howard
She was. Yeah, she. She ended up graduating from college and all that, but she wanted to be an actress, she wanted to be a journalist. She wanted to be all of that stuff that didn't happen for her. And she lost being able to protect her sons, you know, because now all my brothers are Jehovah's Witnesses. They've made different choices in their life, but I know that those thoughts still go through their head of the choices that we made when we were younger, you know, and you're just a little more overprotective, A lot more overprotective, you know, about who you are. And I look forward to the next lifetime of not, not remembering it anymore.
- [76:15]
Rob
Did you guys ever run into each other? Did you ever run into any of the girls?
- [76:19]
Terrence Howard
No, I haven't been.
- [76:20]
Rob
Never. They've. You've never been back to college?
- [76:22]
Terrence Howard
I've gone there, but I've gone.
- [76:23]
Rob
Not to go.
- [76:24]
Terrence Howard
Not walking through.
- [76:25]
Rob
Can only imagine, like, you ever seen a movie, the Judge, with Robert Downey Jr. And Robert Duvall? Know how he goes back to the town he grew up in and he never wanted to go back. And he runs into the girl, his ex, at the bar and he left. When you go back, you don't see any of these old friends.
- [76:40]
Terrence Howard
No. And that's why I was explaining to my daughters that if I bumped into girls that I had interaction with, I wouldn't even know their face or name. Science pretty well, hi, everyone. My name is Terence Howard. I'm an actor, but in the field of science also. So if you would like to connect with me, you can connect with me on minec. The QR code is down below. And let's have a great conversation.
- [77:06]
Rob
So your mom inspired you to get into the movie business?
- [77:09]
Terrence Howard
Yeah.
- [77:09]
Rob
And how did that happen?
- [77:10]
Terrence Howard
Because she wanted to be an actress. And I thought if I became an actor, I would get her affection. I would. Because she doted over my younger brother Antonio and wanted him to be an actor. So I thought if I became an actor, she would, you know, I would get that love from her.
- [77:26]
Rob
What did Antonio end up doing?
- [77:27]
Terrence Howard
He's a contractor now.
- [77:29]
Rob
He's a contractor?
- [77:29]
Terrence Howard
Yeah. It's Practicing Witness.
- [77:32]
Rob
Practicing Witness?
- [77:33]
Terrence Howard
Yeah.
- [77:33]
Rob
He's good for him.
- [77:34]
Terrence Howard
He's. He's maintained Good relationship, you guys. Yeah, we have a great relationship.
- [77:39]
Rob
But are 11 of you guys all close?
- [77:42]
Terrence Howard
Most of us are great. We. We. There's a lot of communication. But then the younger ones are kind of getting their own thing out there. I don't have as much in common with my brothers anymore because I'm not a witness. And they're still trying to, you know, proselytize in a way. And I'm trying to open their eyes to, let's look at some of the statistics, some of the facts, you know, from the scriptures. If every word is supposed to be the. The word of God, if you find one mistake in there, then you've got to throw the entire thing out. You have the entire things becomes questionable. And I, like I said, I'm not questioning the divinity of God, but I do question how we've been taught in our belief systems. I think our belief systems, it's time to. To raise them and take the allegories that we can. But we need to start basing things on actual fact.
- [78:38]
Rob
So you going into Hollywood, at what age did you get the first job? How did you get into it?
- [78:44]
Terrence Howard
First job I got was on the Cosby Show. I went to Barry Moss's casting agency because my brother Antonio was invited to come in there. And then he couldn't go because he was in Cleveland. I was in New York at the time, and I went in there and I got the job on the Cosby Show.
- [79:01]
Rob
Is that it, Ron?
- [79:02]
Terrence Howard
No, that's Living Single. They. They cut me out of the show.
- [79:06]
Rob
Oh, they cut you out of the show? Did they really? Like, there's no scenes of you in it.
- [79:11]
Terrence Howard
They cut me out of the show because I was just a friend of Theo, I was playing ping pong and all of that, and I was so hurt by it. And I called my, my great grandmother Minnie Gentry, who was an actress who had been on the Cosby show. And I asked her, I said, I feel like I need to go talk to Cosby because Cosby had told me that he liked us together and I had hadn't talked to Barry Moss in three weeks or whatever. And so I went up to Cosby's room, went to the Kaufman Astoria, Queens, Kaufman Astoria Studios, and had made friends with everybody inside of the lobby, you know, so they let me in, thinking I was coming in, and I waited outside of Cosby's door and I said to him when he showed up, he was like, hey, what are you doing? I was like, I'd just love to talk to you for a minute. And he invited me into his room and he said, so what's on your mind? I said, I watched the show last night and he was like, good, good, good. He said. I said, but they cut me out of was like, yeah, it happens. Yeah, it happens. I was like, but nobody told me that it was gonna happen. He's like, you didn't, you know, your agent should have told you. I was like, oh, I don't have an agent. It's like, oh, okay. I was like, but, well, you said that you, we, that you liked us together and you were going to have me back. I haven't heard anything from anybody. And he took a minute and looked at me, he was like, well, you know, it could happen, you know, but it, it also can't happen. And I'm, I'm like, well, you know what I did is I told everybody at my school that I was going to be on the show. I was in college at Pratt Institute and I, and I had them come and watch the show and then I wasn't there and I was embarrassed. And he said, well, he said, well, in this business you learn, you don't tell somebody you're in something. You let somebody call you and tell that, tell you their, tell you they saw you. And then he said to me, he said, he said, but that's just how this business is. And I said, well, you know what? I'm a man just like you. Here's this 19 year old boy that takes another moment at Disneyland. I said, I'm a man just like you. I eat piss and I crap. But you, the way you're talking to me feels like I'm an insignificant worm, you know.
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Rob
You said that?
- [81:25]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, I said it.
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Rob
And how old are you at.
- [81:26]
Terrence Howard
I'm 19. I'm 19. And I never told anybody about this conversation. And he was. I said, but if this is how the business is, I don't think I want to be a part of it. He said, if that's a choice you got to make, well, I leave there, and Barry Moss will never take my call again. And then maybe seven years later, I bump into Malcolm Jamal Warner on. On a set, and he's like. He was like, yo, I heard about you having a conversation with Bill Cosby. And I was completely in the wrong. I didn't get disrespectful with him, but I was in the wrong because I should have. I needed to have an agent. I need. I didn't need to come.
- [82:03]
Rob
So you're taking responsibility.
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Terrence Howard
Oh, I did that. I did that. I did. There's so. But Cosby, you know, years later, he called me, and. Because the rumor got out there, you know, thinking that I had been blackballed because of Cosby. And he said, I really would love for you to go on the radio and tell them that I didn't do this. And I was like, I don't know if you did or didn't, but you weren't in the wrong that time. You know, Same thing happened with me and Joe Silver. I get. I'm doing the Brave One, and we're at the Venice Film Festival, and some reporter out of nowhere gaslights me, and he says to me, he says. He's like, why isn't your name above the titles with Jody? And I'm sitting there thinking, yeah, why isn't my name above the titles of Jody? So I started making calls as if that was my right, and it wasn't. And then Joel Silver came and had a conversation with me. He's like, the reason your name isn't above the titles is because you're not. You're not the star of this thing. It's Jody. And if you win, if you get nominated for an Oscar, it's going to be for Supporting Actor. It's not going to be for Best Actor. And I was like, okay, thank you for telling me that. Now I understand. But you have to remember, I'm a man just like you, and if you ever talk to me in that way again, I'm gonna knock your teeth out your mouth.
- [83:23]
Rob
You said that?
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Terrence Howard
This is what I said. And then I have to fly back on a private flight with him. AI is incredible. It can teach you how to fry an egg and even write a poem pirate style. But it knows nothing about your work.
- [83:37]
Rob
Slackbot is different.
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Terrence Howard
It doesn't just know the facts. It knows your schedule. It can turn a brainstorm into a brief. And it doesn't need to be taught because slackbot isn't just another AI It's AI that knows your work as well as you do. Visit slack.com meetslackbot to learn more. And Susan Downey is his. His producing partner on that. And then maybe eight months later, I lose Iron Man. And I'm sure that all of those things played their part, but I got gaslit. He did the right thing in coming and talking to me, but I responded in this aggressive manner instead of being cool about and understanding that, you know, you get what's. What's supposed to come.
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Rob
Tough thing to admit to, though. You're in a business where it's. It's image. It's so you're. You're to take. So you're. So what. How could you have done it differently?
- [84:43]
Terrence Howard
I would have. I would have just let it pass with him asking, you know, you. Shouldn't you be above the titles? Well, if I should be above the titles, I would be, you know, you are where you're supposed to be now. I understand that. Shouldn't you be with that girl right there? Yeah, if that. That was my girl. Should I wither in despair because a woman be so fair? Is she fair to me a girl may seem as fine as can be the most beautiful thing you ever did see but if she ain't mine, what the f. I care how fair she be that position above the title wasn't mine. I didn't need it. How.
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Rob
How important is it in Hollywood on the how. How often do actors say, wait a minute, why am I number two? I was number. How number is it. Is it a very important?
- [85:22]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, well, it shows. It's. It's. It's still the classes. You know, I'm above this. I'm below this. You know, I'm. And I right now, I don't care where I am at on the. To call this. I just want to perform the best that I possibly can. I've grown up now, but the mistakes I made back then. Oh, my God. I'm the one that put myself in the doghouse other people didn't do. There was a game. There's a way you. There's procedures to the game. If you don't follow the procedures, you get out of it. And I did not know how to control my anger at the time. I didn't know how to control My mouth, you know, I kept getting in my own way when we were doing this movie boycott, and Jeffrey Wright is sitting there. We're playing chess with each other right before he's got to go in. And I've got my. My pawns, three pawns set up here, but I haven't been able to castle. I'm trying to castle, but I can't get. Get around there. And I've got a bishop that's still blocking my. My. Blocking me from being able to castle. And he dropped his rook down and, you know, checkmated me. And he said, right there is your biggest problem. You won't get out of your own way. He said, the cameraman was watching you, and he's seeing you from this angle, and he looks good like this, and he could do this, that, and the other. But he said, but you won't do it because you won't get out of your own way. And getting out of my way then was I had a gold ring that I was determined to keep on. And I was like, I always wear this, and it's not the character. I was like, but I always wear this, and da, da, da, da, da. And I was in my own way about something that was unimportant. I had forgotten, you know, and you grow up and you listen. When I had a meeting with Denzel once and he told me, it was like, look at your hands, man. You're always like this fist, your fists all balled up. He said, and all these producers want to do is they try to open your hand and so they can put money in it, but you won't do it. You keep your hands all tight like this, and you're blowing it. And this is 20 years ago.
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Rob
Holy moly.
- [87:42]
Terrence Howard
What kind of ice.
- [87:44]
Rob
So 20 years ago, were you at your. Were you come. 20 years ago would be what, 19? No, 2006 or 20 years ago?
- [87:54]
Terrence Howard
It was right before. It was maybe about 20, 28, 20. It was right before I did Hustle and Flow. It was right before because I ended up going back into the chitlin circuit. I was no longer being supported by the studios again, you know, because I was aggressive.
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Rob
Happen how many times?
- [88:12]
Terrence Howard
At least eight times. I've had a number of opportunities and, you know, but my aggression, you know, my need to be a man, you go, you ain't gonna talk to me like that. You know, instead of learning how to diffuse and to walk away and to smile, okay, this isn't your day or this isn't my road right now.
- [88:33]
Rob
Who plays a Role in, in, in a, in an actor that obviously is very talented, obviously is an A lister. Obviously it's a guy that can get up there and make the few hundred million. Who typically plays the role of saying, hey listen, let's pump the brakes. Who's having a tough con? Was your manager somebody that knew how to manage you?
- [88:55]
Terrence Howard
Well, the people that were trying to manage me at the time were Benny Medina and people of that nature. And it's like they have a different agenda, you know, they're walking a different walk. And I wasn't down for that. And I wasn't, I didn't have the ears to listen at the time. I just wasn't there yet. They could have. My parents talked to me, but I've been beat up so much as a little kid because I was light skinned with green eyes in a black neighborhood, you know, and they used to slap me and say, watch him turn red. And I had to learn how to fight at 13, 14. And once I learned how to fight, now I'm gonna make everybody pay for what's happened to me. And that's what I realized I was doing. I'm just battling, I'm battling shadows from the past. You ain't gonna punk me, you know, and it's like I was punking myself. So that's the hardest thing to get out of your own way to recognize, oh wow, this ain't even about me.
- [89:56]
Rob
Did you enjoy doing Iron Man?
- [89:58]
Terrence Howard
Oh, I loved it, I loved it. I loved watching Robert. I loved. I've never seen somebody own a set the way that Robert owned that character. He, he threw it away, Cut it in half, throw it away. Cut it in half, throw it away. He wasn't trying to be Iron man, he was Tony Stark. So I enjoyed watching him, I enjoyed watching Jeff Bridges. I man, Jeff Bridges. Well, you know, we sit up and play guitar together and talked and, and you know, I've been a huge fan of theirs, but I noticed something about both of them. They had learned to rest within themselves, sit at their seat of consciousness. Especially Jeff. You know Jeff, he's like Alan Watts. He's just so, so, so full of inspiration and calmliness.
- [90:53]
Rob
Jeff was in Crazy Heart, right?
- [90:55]
Terrence Howard
Did he?
- [90:55]
Rob
Crazy Hard.
- [90:56]
Terrence Howard
Yeah.
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Rob
And, and the one, and I think in Crazy Heart Colin Farrell sings the song. Can you verify that, Rob? Can you type in Jeff Bridges and Colin Farrell Crazy Hard? Yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's a great movie. It's a. He falls in love with a young 20 year old girl or something. She's Trying to put him, kind of calm him down. He's another phenomenal actor. So when you. When you did Iron man with Robert, was that. Was that Robert's comeback?
- [91:33]
Terrence Howard
Yeah.
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Rob
Is he. That's when it was like his second chance.
- [91:36]
Terrence Howard
That was chance. That was his redemption, and he earned it. He did.
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Rob
Incredible story.
- [91:42]
Terrence Howard
He did what he needed to do, you know, and I'm. I can't be angry at him for the other choices. It'll be like being angry at Don Cheadle for accepting the role when he only had an hour to do it. He wasn't gonna call me and say, hey, you're not doing this anymore. That's not what happens. You know, it's just. There's a lot of things that I took personally that if you live like I'm trying to live by the four agreements, you know, be impeccable with your word. Don't assume anything. Don't take anything personal. What's the fourth one, honey? And always do your best. So I'm trying to really apply those in my daily life, you know, And I. I pretty much. I keep to it. I really try and stick to my word, but that's the thing that I break more than anything with myself, which stops me from being like God is because I'm not keeping my word. I'm setting things the bar too high for myself.
- [92:41]
Rob
How much of making it in the game of Hollywood is the talent is the business, is the humility, is the networking, is who represents you? You know, I talked to. I don't know if it was Scotty Pippen or whoever I was talking. I said, what's more important? A superstar. If we want to build a championship team, is a superstar. The most important, A strong coach, owners, gm. Rank them, put them in order. And it was kind of going through it. But what.
- [93:12]
Terrence Howard
What is.
- [93:13]
Rob
What does it take for somebody to make it and stay up there for 10, 20 years?
- [93:18]
Terrence Howard
First, you have to have thick skin. You can't take things personally. You've got to be able to walk away, you know, from your own emotions or your own feelings about something. You. You cannot take anything personal because they're just trying to make the production. And the truth is, all you are is a piece of talent. So then the humility comes in there, and you recognize your position in this. Like, I was doing a film with Shia LaBeouf and Robert Redford, and this is recently. This is about seven years ago, and. And Shia, I remember him running to hit his mark, and after the Yale cut, he would go right back to Number one and wait there quietly. That hum. And this is him after, you know, all of his success. But he always went back to number one so that the AD can get everything organized. I learned to do that. To go back to your place. So the humility, the not taking anything personal, but you have to have the talent. You have to have life experiences so you can tell those stories. If you don't have those, then it's just going to be a dull mirror that you will never see the proper reflection to. And then the final thing, if it's four things, the belief in self, because you can have the talent, you can have the opportunity, you can have the humility, you can have the understanding. But if you don't believe in yourself, it's going to be clearly seen on the. On the screen.
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Rob
Shia LaBeouf also. He also had a complicated upbringing with his father as well. Then he do a movie that. They put it on Amazon and Sonic Boy, I think. What was it called? Not Sonny Boy.
- [95:22]
Terrence Howard
It's something else.
- [95:23]
Rob
It's Honey Boy. Honey Boy? Yeah, Honey Boy, I think is. Can you type it? I'm going to say correctly. Is it Honey Boy? Yeah, it's Honey Boy. And you know, there's a clip of him putting the video in front of his dad. I think he was saying this to Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon, one of the two. And he said, I just want to watch my dad's reaction. He just recently had some issues that came up in the. In. In the news. Yeah, he got into a fight. I don't know what happened with them. Another one of those guys.
- [95:52]
Terrence Howard
Real anger. We all come in here for a reason and we've got something to deal with. And it's like it keeps popping up.
- [95:59]
Rob
Is that. But is it almost like, you know, in comedy is. Is. Are you.
- [96:04]
Terrence Howard
Almost.
- [96:05]
Rob
Do you benefit in a weirdest way? A weird, tough challenge and upbringing for you to be able to tap into those emotions.
- [96:12]
Terrence Howard
Yeah.
- [96:12]
Rob
Cameras on.
- [96:13]
Terrence Howard
You need it. But we're all damaged. Good. Every single one of us.
- [96:17]
Rob
In. In your.
- [96:18]
Terrence Howard
Every. Every. Or you can be a trained actor and they don't have life experiences, but you resonate when you can see, oh, wait a minute. This is touching on something real.
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Rob
Are there any great, like goat actors that didn't have a tough. They're just trained actors that didn't have a lot to tap into.
- [96:37]
Terrence Howard
I don't know. They all say they're just trained and not relying on personal experiences.
- [96:42]
Rob
They say that.
- [96:42]
Terrence Howard
They say that. Most of them don't. They don't tell you what they've gone through. But the reality is I can only draw upon the things that I know, the things that I can go and look into somebody else's life or somebody else's path, but I have to have experienced it enough to where I can now associate myself with it and then tell it honestly. And you have to have gone through the darkness to know what it's like to be afraid of the dark. You can't. If you've all lived a prissy life, you don't understand, you know, well, you may understand drug addiction because a lot of people in privilege end up in that place. But if you've never seen somebody doing coke, you don't know how to do that. You don't, you don't even know. You even like etiquette. There's, there's, there's Hollywood etiquette. We don't know. You don't know coming into it that if somebody offers you a cigarette, you know, you probably more should, like, more than likely should go out and have a cigarette with them. Even if you don't smoke. It's just in Ren and Rome, do what the Romans are doing. If they offer you a joint, you sit there and have a joint with them. I didn't know that that was a reality that, you know, that allows people to come into the teepee. Let's do these things together. And if it's outside of your warehouse, then you, you say it's outside of your warehouse. But because I didn't do coke, I didn't do all of those things. And when somebody would, would pull it out, I would take a, you know, take a little step back with it. I didn't realize that that was making me take a step back from them. And a lot of people in this
- [98:16]
Rob
business took it that way.
- [98:18]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, they, they, they're like, oh, you know, you can't trust him.
- [98:22]
Rob
That's what I'm thinking when you're telling me, like, you never, you know, you never had any sexual encounters with actresses in the space. They're probably going to talk to each other. He's a little weird. He's a little this. Would that kind of happen? Would you be an outsider or would you?
- [98:36]
Terrence Howard
I was.
- [98:36]
Rob
Did you ever see yourself as an outsider?
- [98:38]
Terrence Howard
Okay, I was always.
- [98:39]
Rob
Did they think you're an outsider?
- [98:41]
Terrence Howard
No, they didn't.
- [98:41]
Rob
Did the industry look at you as an outsider?
- [98:43]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, because I didn't participate with all of the stuff that they were doing. Even Jamie Foxx, he took me to. We had, we were hanging out and these two girls come over. Jamie's in the room with one of them. I'm in the room with. With another one. And I'm sitting there for three hours playing the guitar for her. So. So Jamie tells these jokes that I'm over here bringing guitars and when you've
- [99:11]
Rob
been done for two and a half hours.
- [99:12]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, it's like this. There's something.
- [99:14]
Rob
What are you doing?
- [99:14]
Terrence Howard
Happening. But I'm over there because I did all that growing up. I did that, you know, when I was young.
- [99:19]
Rob
Is that a known thing from 4 to 13? Like do they know that on what happened to you? Does the. Does Hollywood know what happened?
- [99:27]
Terrence Howard
First time I've ever said it.
- [99:28]
Rob
You've never talked about it.
- [99:29]
Terrence Howard
I'm probably going to get earful for my wife when. When I leave here about it. You know, it's, it's. But the. The reason that I bring it up because you brought it up is we have to start protecting our children better. You know, like we can't even let our child have our phone anymore. Because he looks up Nick and Judy from Zootopia. But he wants to see Nick and Judy naked. And he thinks that if he looks it up, it. Just because they. They in Zootopia they go into this little area and it's. It's. It's. Everybody is just free and no. Not wearing any clothes.
- [100:06]
Rob
This is really in the cartoon?
- [100:08]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, in a cartoon. It's. It's like. What do you call it?
- [100:11]
Rob
Porn cartoon?
- [100:12]
Terrence Howard
No, no, it's not porn cartoon. But it's like you're. You're doing that. You're at a. You're nudist. It's like inside of the. The cartoon there's this nudist colony in there. And it's just animals being natural without any clothes on them.
- [100:27]
Rob
Is there really a nudist colony in
- [100:29]
Terrence Howard
this cartoon in the first place? 1. There was this little nudist colony where. Yeah, where they are at. So my son goes and looks up Nick and Judy naked. But on the phone that comes off as pornography. And we're like. He's so upset that we won't let him have our phones anymore. Because anything can pop up. Anything can pop up. And I just want them to stay innocent just long enough so that they can get their balance. I don't want them to have so many regrets that I have in my life.
- [101:06]
Rob
And what a. What a to to. You know, there's a pro and a con for having a father. You don't choose your parents. Right. God chooses your Parents, for you, it's just, you know, science. You don't. I wish he was my dad. I wish he was my mom. And vice versa. You know, he chooses the kids for us to parent and then vice versa. And then. But there's pro and con for them, right, of growing up, like, just like for us, you growing up with your father and your mother. And for me, I grew up in my own setting. And how you manage that, how you maneuver with that, do you think? For you, like, last time when you and I spoke, I think we were in Arkansas at the same time. This was.
- [101:46]
Terrence Howard
Yes.
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Rob
Nine months ago, Eight months ago.
- [101:48]
Terrence Howard
Yeah. I was doing Turnbuckle. A film. Turnbuckle. Not even nine months ago. It was maybe November or October.
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Rob
You're right. It was probably. You're right. It was probably November when we spoke. And are you. Are you still getting the knock of bigger projects coming your way?
- [102:01]
Terrence Howard
Oh, no. After I sued Fox and Disney, you go into the blacklist, permanent you. Until there's a new change of everybody inside of there. So you're, you're, you're no longer on their main list of calling because you've broken the cardinal rule, which is you never talk. You know, even if you're being screwed over, you never talk. You know, you're supposed to keep that quiet and, and keep working as a good slave. And I didn't do that. I fought about, you know, some injustices that I felt was happening with me. And you realize that the entire system is rigged because they carry so much power. And if you and everybody, either you work for Disney or you want to work for Disney in this business.
- [102:51]
Rob
Why? Because Disney, they own all the big brand, Star wars and everything.
- [102:58]
Terrence Howard
Yep. So how are you going to hire somebody that Disney is angry at as a producer? And so you still stay within the independent realm and you go all the
- [103:09]
Rob
way up to Bob Iger or something.
- [103:10]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, it goes all the way up to Dana Walden, to all of them. It's, you know, they have their list and you want to be on the good side of it, but then you want to have your integrity at the same time. You know, you don't want to just roll over. You want everything to be balanced as much as possible. So the big studios, there's still people that will call and look for me, you know, but now I'm at the point where, you know, I'm writing my books. I'm more so trying to connect with people. I don't want to play a character, even though if something great comes around, I'm there for it, in a sense. But I really want to connect with who Terry is right now, you know, and, and, and do some healing, some inner healing that I wasn't getting with all the other stuff.
- [103:58]
Rob
Are you. If you never get any big job, are you, are you completely resolved with that?
- [104:04]
Terrence Howard
Oh, my God, I've done my best. I've gone, I've murdered it on the screen.
- [104:10]
Rob
I agree.
- [104:10]
Terrence Howard
I've.
- [104:11]
Rob
Yeah.
- [104:11]
Terrence Howard
So it's like, do you want to do an impersonation of yourself the rest of your life? If I've done, I've done that character before, I don't need to do that anymore. And right now it's, it's a greater message of, okay, let us start reasoning again. You know, like did the entire thing with science and all of that, and you come with all the stuff you're supposed to come with. You come with the white paper, you come with the patents, you come with prototypes, you come with, you know, new geometry and to have it obfuscated and ignored. Like, since we talked on the last show, you don't hear any talks about science anymore. It's all quiet out there. They've, they've. Somebody went in there and they were like, okay, let's silence this conversation. But you can't show me any point where I was debunked on anything. Everything that I've said, they, they just chose to try and ignore it as much as they can. So my goal is still this life saving.
- [105:11]
Rob
You ever sit down with Brian Keating or.
- [105:12]
Terrence Howard
No. Did you guys know Brian? You know, they all get away and then if I called Eric Weinstein, he does the same thing. Oh, hey, Terrence, how you doing? But it's like, let's not engage.
- [105:23]
Rob
Right?
- [105:24]
Terrence Howard
Let's not engage. Me and Dr. Yu, we still talk and move.
- [105:27]
Rob
Really?
- [105:28]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, we're still. I ended up doing the Tesla tech conference and.
- [105:35]
Rob
And did you link up with the Space Force commander or did you guys.
- [105:38]
Terrence Howard
No, no, no, no, no.
- [105:40]
Rob
You know what I'm talking about.
- [105:40]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, but no, no, no. This is, this is Tesla tech, the actual Tesla guy. Not, not Elon Musk or anything like that. Not associated with that, but introduced the, the understanding that our universe must be finite in order for us to have conservation of energy laws which completely destroys all of their foundations because most of their constants are based on the assumption of infinity of an infinite space. But in an infinite domain, to spread minute amount or conserved amount of energy across an infinite domain, you break conservation of energy laws. The universe has to be bounded in order to have Recursion or to have the echo, it's got to hit a wall in order for it to come back. The expanding waves hit the edge of our universe and the returning waves hit newly expanding waves. And that's when you get your first geometry. So being able to prove that led to the next steps of, okay, here's the collapse of the constants. Now let's take apart Planck, let's take apart the fine structure constant, let's take apart all of these things that they're holding everything up with, with. So I'm still in the process of moving that and that's still the most important thing in my life because there's life saving things associated with it. And especially when you look at where the world is right now, I mean, how do you feel about everything that's happening with Iran right now? You know, giving your roots from it. I'm so happy that China came in and said, hey, you guys aren't going to, to bully them completely like, like you've been doing before. And as a result, what does Saudi Arabia do now? Saudi Arabia is no longer selling any using US dollars, you know, for their petrol. They've, the US dollar is done now. We've just lost, in the 12 months, we've lost 9% of our purchasing power. So if you had a hundred thousand dollars last year, it's only, you only have $91,000 now and it's steadily declining. 25 countries have jumped onto the bricks. Apart from those other five countries, you know, we've got 39 of our world of the finances now no longer being dependent. Only 51% of the world is still using US dollars. And as the dollar crashes, because Trump has a plan, and his plan is if you weaken the dollar, then you can bring manufacturing jobs back over here. But that doesn't work with the tariffs that, that are being hit outside the world. You know, Canada, we've just put it imposed a thing on Canada to where they're not able to use the chip system anymore, they're not able to use US Dollars anymore. So what a chat. What did Canada do? What did Carney do? He sat up and said, okay, I'm gonna go and work with Beijing. But on top of it, I'm going to ask for the war chest from NATO. I want $12 billion because I've got to deal with an aggressive America. And then on top of it, Canada said, you know what we're going to do? These the 12 states that we give electricity to. Every tariff you put on us, we're going to put on, on the electricity that we were sending down to them. And on top of it, we're not going to give you any of our minerals anymore. You know, we're, we're in a tight little bottleneck that something has to go. And our US dollar, the comics, I don't know if you follow silver, what's
- [109:18]
Rob
happening with skyrocketed gold, record breaking numbers, all of that.
- [109:23]
Terrence Howard
And silver has been suppressed, you know, artificially suppressed for the last, for the last 50 years. You know, JP Morgan just had to pay $920 million in fines for the suppression of the silver market because of the paper contracts. And now we have a different pricing for paper contracts of silver for futures here in comparison to actual silver in Shanghai. You know, there's this arbitrary, used to be an arbitrage. You buy silver here, you know, for, for whatever amount, even if it's 71 here. And then you go over to China and you sell it, you know, for the 88 that it's, that would have marked over there. And well now that arbitrage, they're not playing with that anymore because there's no silver in the COMEX. And we use over 1.2 million ounces of silver in all of our electronics and, and we use 20, you know, 20 grams of it in, in solar panels, 50 grams of it in every electric vehicle, in every computer component. And there's only 851 million ounces being produced a year. And most of our silver is coming from byproducts from gold mines, from lead, from zinc, from copper mines. We only get about 20% of our silver from actual silver mines. And China is hoarding it. And out of nowhere JP Morgan, who has been fighting against silver all this time, now they got 750 million ounces of silver. And it's necessary for all of our electronics. So silver has the potential now to go up to being worth the thousands of dollars. It will become more even with, with gold, I think it's like 1 to 30 to 1 now or sometimes it's at 50 to 1 now it's going to get up to about 13 to 1. So. And typically when, when the precious metals go up, you know the stocks are going down. But for a minute they had the stocks and the precious metals going up at the same time.
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Rob
I think, I think gold was suppressed for a while because is the typical triggers of printing money. All that money we printed during COVID didn't cause gold to move as much. So gold eventually caught up. I think it's needed to be at 5,000 for a while, I think the 5,000 was inevitable. Now the question is how much higher can it go?
- [111:47]
Terrence Howard
The more the U.S. dollar weakens. The. Because the U.S. bonds, China just sold 864 million, $864 billion of its U.S. debt. Japan is selling its U.S. nobody's buying the bond. So the yield rate is going to change. And our. And, and precious metals is the only thing you can trust now.
- [112:11]
Rob
So silver position with bitcoin.
- [112:12]
Terrence Howard
Where are you at with bitcoin is going to die? I don't, I don't mess with it.
- [112:16]
Rob
You think bitcoin is going to. Oh, you touch nothing with crypto?
- [112:19]
Terrence Howard
I don't touch it.
- [112:20]
Rob
Tell me why you think it's going to.
- [112:21]
Terrence Howard
Well, I just got a call from somebody a couple days ago and said, hey, if you got 25 million, you know, you can make 75,000. I just want to put it inside of an account to do some stuff. And this is a friend of mine. And I was like, do you realize that. That bitcoin is still based on fiat? It's still been. And, and because the dollar is decreasing in its value, because the uncertainty of war around, nobody wants their money in something that can be wiped out with, with a push of a button somewhere. I've, I've just stayed, I've stayed free and clear of it because it's been dropping a great deal. I think it's at $61,000 now, but
- [113:03]
Rob
it went from 18 to 40 to 60 to 125. And it typically goes through the process if you do a five year. If you go to a five. And by the way, I have less than 1% of my portfolio in bitcoin. So it's not like I'm a pro bitcoin guy that's saying this to you. Go to Max, Rob, go to Max. If you look at it, if you look at what the second one looks like as the first one. Do you see that? Yeah, it looks like a twin.
- [113:26]
Terrence Howard
Yeah.
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Rob
So that means we got, you know, we may be either at the bottom or it could go a little bit lower. But again, patterns change. But we'll see what happened with that. What, what concerns you the most. You were saying all these things. My, my, my challenge is if all these years, these presidents did everything to strengthen China. Nixon opened it up and China went from being nobody to. They were worried because Soviet Union was too powerful and they could catch up. So they gave power to China. They opened it up because they wanted China to beat Russia. Well, then China didn't just beat Russia and passed up and became number two. And now that could potentially compete with us. Right. So the number one creator of commerce for these countries has been us. Why? America has been sold by a lot of presidents to other countries. So finally you got a guy that comes in that's like, like, yeah, I don't know if I like these deals. All these deals favor more the other countries than us. But to be able to put the deals in place is a very hard thing to do. And to be able to pull off. He's trying to do it, all of it, at the same time. There's a 90% chance it's not going to work. No, but the 10%, if it does, it protects you and Americans long term. Do you believe that way or no?
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Terrence Howard
Well, his ideals and approach would have worked 40 years ago when you had the dollar dependency that every other country, you know, if you wanted to trade something, you had to have US Dollars. So it kept our economy stable and strong. We could print as much money as we wanted to because we can always borrow money at very low rates because everybody wanted to do and do business with us. But now that the US Dollar has lost, it's, it's no longer being, it's no longer, it's, it's turning into the sterling, the sterling pound. For 100 years, that was the, that was the, the money thing. But now they, now we can't push the things or, or use the force that we were using 40, 50 years ago because the dollar is no longer necessary in the world. So we have to take a more diplomatic approach to doing things. I appreciated the strength by which he came out and was like, hey, NATO, you got to pay your fair share. Hey, Canada, you've been taking advantage of us for years, you know, with these trade agreements. China, you know, you're doing the same thing. But we don't have the staying power that we had before. You got. It's a global economy now. So when a major portion of that global economy is being blocked up with, with trade embargoes and tariffs and all of that, when everybody is talking now, China is like, okay, great, great, keep playing your game. Keep playing your game. I'm gonna keep the belt and initiative going out there. I'm going to keep giving to these countries that you're turning your back on. I'm going to keep giving to them. You know, I'm going to, and not ask them to change their, their constitution. I'm not going to force them into anything. I'm going to keep things as good as possible with them up. China's doing the smart move because now all of these countries is turning on the U. S and turning to China. Hey, China, you support us. Now even Greenland, you know, wants to have talks with, tight with, with China. So we have to change our tactics and get back to making friends and being partners on the world stage. And instead of isolation, because the isolation, I love the strength in it. But we, you know, there's a time for finesse and there's a time for brute force. And we just. What happened in the straits of Hormuz is that right? You know, here we're about to pounce on, on Iran because of, of Israel not wanting to maintain our power there. But what happens? Well, now China sends its little boat, it's, it's ships in there. Russia sends their ships in there and there's a standoff.
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Rob
What do you think is going to end up happening?
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Terrence Howard
The US Knows that we cannot strike Iran without those ships, all of them being wiped out and starting this world war. There's going to have to be a de. Escalation of that because Iran is no longer just an isolated country without any, without anyone helping it. You know, now it has the support of our two biggest rivals and it has the support of everyone that. An enemy of my friend. An enemy of my enemy is my friend. So they're all turning to Russia. Like Burkina Faso turned to Russia, you know, to ask for its help because why? The colonialists are still trying to move the stuff that they were doing before against Abraham Trarus, President Trore who was trying to unify Africa and saying, you know what? You're not going to take my gold and process it in Canada and then take it over and put it in the vaults in France. No, this is the gold that belongs to my people. And they're going to make a stand for their position and their goal. So what does Russia do? Since the US Is supporting France in this move, Russia goes and makes alliances with president Ibrahim Trore. Now, now that the war has just started and pushed off, I look forward to seeing how Russia follows through with supporting that. But I'm like, the African nations are all supposed to gather together, but we are so used to being colonialized, you know, of looking down at the ground and okay, here comes the, the Europeans. We've got a. It's like, no, they're taking it. They've been taking advantage of Africa because in order for the rest of the world to remain fluid, they need to be able to buy cheap and raw materials from Africa, sub Saharan Africa has to maintain and have to be impoverished and then they use all of their things of we're going to give you some money. But that money is only to keep them in that impoverished state and keep regimes in place. That's going to allow the content and to continue to be raped. But if any moment Africa stands up and demands a fair place on the stage, then the rest of the world economy is going to completely crash and France is not allowing that. They tried to get Niger involved, you know, and, and come in battle and they tried to get Benin toga involved to come in. Some of the soldiers in Benin was like, no, I'm not going to attack my brother. But then other soldiers do so the world is in an unsafe place. What we did in Venezuela.
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Rob
What'd you think about that? Because that was a pretty surgical.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, it's very surgical.
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Rob
They had. It didn't turn into the chaotic. And his, his answer was more the Monroe Doctrine, let's protect the Western hemisphere, the down road doctrine, you know, making sure we're good, we're safe life and America became America because we have a history of being an expansionist nation where, hey, we'll buy Florida for 4 or 5 million. Hey, we'll buy, you know, Texas, we'll buy Louisiana, we'll buy Alaska, we'll fight for California and Arizona, we'll take. And now they're talking about, you know, Cuba and they're talking about, yeah, and by the way, I don't know if you saw that or not, but Panama came out with the backing of U. S. Panama came out and says, hey, China, you're done. You're done. That's not a bad thing. Because if China, I had a. I had Christine Oman this week and I said, you know, now that we know the virus was leaked out of China, right? And they could have done something about it for many years. They're like, no, you can't say that it didn't come from China. It came from somewhere else. Well, now we know it came from the Wuhan lab. It's the one lab. And they could have closed the airports down earlier. You don't think they intentionally did that to leave it open? 7 million people died. The world economy lost $16 trillion. China's not been held accountable yet. You think China's trust.
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Terrence Howard
China didn't work by itself with that. The US Was involved with that.
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Rob
Who is. Who was it that was involved from? Everybody was not everybody who was everybody?
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Terrence Howard
I think a lot of the countries that were complicit with it, the ones that immediately were like, okay, we're going to go into this lockdown, we're going to, to force this vaccination on everyone. That was a coordinated effort. That didn't happen. Hey, you know, I think you should do this to your citizens.
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Rob
But I think that was also some of the globalists and some of the establishment folks. There's a play right now. It's not the Republican and the Democrat thing. No, it's the globalists that want to make the whole thing a one world, a whole new world, the new world order, whatever they're calling it. And by the way, the World Economic Forum CEO just stepped down, I think 10 minutes before you and I started speaking because he had ties to. Was it ties to Epstein that just came out. Go up to the top, Rob. Let me see the title of the article, Go all the Way to the Top. What does it say? This World Economic Forum CEO quits after Epstein links examined Nvidia results failed to wow markets as it happened. So there's a lot of stuff that's going on right now. And he's him. He's got a tough job. I think he's got a very tough job. He looked like he was pretty loose happy at the State of the Union. I thought he was going to be intense. He came in, he did his thing for an hour and 48 minutes. At 79 years old.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah.
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Rob
About to be 80 years old and just, he just lost the tariff ruling.
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Terrence Howard
That's a big defeat.
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Rob
It's a public loss. You know, listen, America's crushing it. America's doing great.
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Terrence Howard
He's the Don. He is Teflon Don.
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Rob
You ever met him? Have you guys ever.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, he's Teflon Don. And I love his bravado and I love the strength that he pushes out. You know, I supported a lot of the things that he was doing and I was never a Democrat in that, in that, in that support. But I've never been. I've never voted because I didn't want to be responsible.
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Rob
You've never voted?
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Terrence Howard
No, I didn't want to be responsible for what other people. When you give a vote to someone, whatever they do, you have a hand. And I was not supporting everything that was taking place, but I didn't think that the Democrats was running the country in a proper way. But there's room for improvement now within this administration. And that's why I'm saying we should start, start using a Little more tact because nobody's threatened anymore by the. The threats. Doesn't do anything but causes the other nations to run to the enemy.
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Rob
You have any desire of politics, does that at all do anything for you? I can't see you because to me, you give me the vibes of, I'm honest. Yeah.
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Terrence Howard
Or I try to be honest. And that doesn't work in politics.
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Rob
Yeah, It's.
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Terrence Howard
There's.
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Rob
There's a showmanship element to it. Right. There's an element of, you know, how you shine on the big screen, but
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Terrence Howard
doing that every day, you know, I can do it for a few hours on stage, you know, but then I go outside and I'm. I'm a regular person. I don't run with the bodyguard. Even though at times when I was doing the science, I felt like I needed to, because I kept getting hit by all of these.
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Rob
Did any. Did you. So you said you met. First time you met Trump was.
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Terrence Howard
I met Trump when I was. Was doing, I think was what. I don't know if it was Jimmy Fallon or David Kimmel. And I was ready to go and do my thing. And then they were like, oh, we're going to pull you, because, you know, Trump is here, you know, and so we passed by each other in the hall, said, hello, you know, but I did support his. I did support him in the biggest way. Or pray privately, I supported that.
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Rob
Or no, giving you a hard time.
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Terrence Howard
Everybody, you support who you want to support. I did support a lot of his policies.
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Rob
Were people in Hollywood, like, from the outside, it looks like 90% is, you know, on one side politically. Are there a lot of conservatives that are in the business that just kind of keep it to themselves?
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, I think so.
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Rob
Are there some names that are massive names that if we knew they were conservative, you'd be shocked or not really.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, you. I think a lot more people, the older you get, you start off liberal, but the older you get, you become more and more conservative because you realize that you have to be very careful with the steps you're taking. More than anything else.
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Rob
And I fully agree, because he is
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Terrence Howard
the president of our country, you have to be supportive and be respectful of him, even if you don't like his policies, even if you don't like his personality. I was told when I was studying to be a witness, he said, are you supposed to listen to the elders? If you saw an elder that slapped another member of the congregation, would you listen to his advice? If that same elder lied openly, would you listen to his advice? And said, if that same elder denied, denied, you know, the. Your Jehovah, would you still listen to him? And I was like, no, no, you don't listen to him anymore. And the brother said to me, he said, well, that same person was Peter. He didn't just. He didn't just slap another member. He cut off the earth of someone. He didn't just lie on. On anyone. You know, he lied about, you know, the Savior. As long as somebody is in the position of authority that they've been granted, you still listen and follow the authority and respect that position. But you do it with a full conscience, with an understanding, you know, to become president twice, the way he's done it, you know, 45th and 47th, he. He has earned the respect. He is still the most powerful person on the planet. And I. I really dig his dance. But I think there's times where you can use finesse. He's charming. You can use finesse to accomplish so much more because you don't have to use all the power that you've got, you know, so you feel like he's.
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Rob
His second term, he's a little bit more calmer.
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Terrence Howard
He's a lot more. He's a lot more common first term.
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Rob
It was like a fight. Every day, it was a fight.
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Terrence Howard
Well, they were trying to impeach him every single day. So you. We put the president on. Into this PTSD mode. You know, he's always trying to defend that, and he. I don't think anyone becomes president of this country so that they can tear apart the country. They're really trying to unite the country. Like, even with what ICE is doing, they could do it in a more diplomatic way. They can do ice. Yeah, they can do it in a more respectful means. You do not. If you use aggression, then you're going to start a revolution. If you keep pushing with aggression, revolution ends up coming out of it. But if you use diplomacy, if you use reasoning, you know, if you use understanding, then people can align to your cause. That was one of the things Nelson Mandela did. He was like, yeah, I can get up there and become emotional, you know, and talk about all these terrible atrocities that's happened in an emotional way. He said, but then I'll just look at angry and emotional. Said, you have to reason with people. And so I think our government needs to take that stance because we don't have the. The power of the dollar that we once had where we could have our way with other countries. And I don't know if we can survive being an isolated you know, country at present, California.
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Rob
Would you ever consider leaving California or
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Terrence Howard
no Living now that they've enacted this new rule?
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Rob
Well, tax.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah. A billion dollars and you can make your first billion. But anything over a billion, 55%, the first hundred million, but then anything after that, it's a 5% tax. It's a weird thing.
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Rob
Think that's a good idea? Who thinks that's a good idea? Nobody already lost a trillion dollars. This is the second time California lost a trillion dollars.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah. They're about to do it again.
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Rob
Well, they did it already. They lost a trillion in the last six months.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah. And they're going to now impose this new tax, this wealth tax. It's going to chase all the businesses out of California. And Governor Newsom, he's, he's trying to fight against it. It's not something that he wants to put in place because he saw what happened the last time they pulled that. But I, I think there's a particular reason. I think somebody else is trying to get the power and the money out of California so they can move in. I don't know, but it seems very coordinated. It doesn't seem like something that's just happening out of a whim. You don't chase away the money. You don't chase away money.
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Rob
When he's doing the gerrymandering in California now, the Congress is going to be 48 to 4, Democrat to Republican. Even if a governor wins and he's a Republican, you can't do nothing. You can't get nothing to be. Congress is not going to be on your side. Like, what do you think you're going to pass? Nothing if you become a governor there in the state of California. So have you reached a tipping point where you guys talk about leaving and living elsewhere or not yet?
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Terrence Howard
We're thinking about leaving the US because the US Isn't necessarily safe and welcoming right now. You can't you try and think about, okay, where can I live? Well, I definitely want to live in a place where they don't have a military base because what. Because of the escalation and the conflicts around the world and now the US the homeland can be hit. Well, you can't be in Canada, in, in Hawaii because Hawaii, you know, they have everywhere. You can't be in California, you know, you can't be in Florida. You can't be in all of these places has that. That are easily accessible.
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Rob
Florida. What, what would you consider Florida?
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Terrence Howard
It's just open. I love Florida, but the, the waters are open.
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Rob
Thank you, Terence. You would love the restaurants in Miami. I can see you guys in Miami. Or, or, man, they're moving here and they're making it safer here.
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Terrence Howard
But you can't make it safe for ballistic weapons missiles. You, you know, it's.
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Rob
You want some place to go outside usa.
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Terrence Howard
Iceland.
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Rob
Iceland is a beautiful, you're gonna say Costa Rica. I think you're gonna say like a low key, quiet, no military state.
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Terrence Howard
Iceland is. No military. Iceland is.
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Rob
You could live in Iceland.
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Terrence Howard
Oh yeah, we've been a couple times and we love it. But we want a place that, that's, you know, that's non confrontational, you know, that's what you ultimately want. You want a place where your kids can grow. Because I've got two kids on the spectrum and I worry about how people are. I need to be in a place where, you know, you have your water, you have the thermal, the heat there, you know, the dollar cash is going to disappear. I think, I think that's one of the biggest things that's hurting humanity, you know, is this indirect form of exchange, you know, that that's messed up. The natural interaction when people bartered, you know, there was a good exchange. Nobody felt like they were being taken or anything like that. I think ultimately, as we become more conscious, we will get to a place like that.
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Rob
How close are you to making a decision to leave the state, the country? Are you guys. Is that close or is it still in the talks?
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Terrence Howard
I mean we may move to Korea, but then that's a big spot because my heart. She's Korean, but you have. What's happening with North Korea. You've, you know, and all the military bases in Korea. I just want to move to a place even if it's, if it's, you know, New Zealand, you know, a place with no conflict. I fought enough in my life. I don't want, I don't want to fight anymore.
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Rob
I don't want to. Where do you feel the most at peace? What city? What area?
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Terrence Howard
Dag? I don't know, I don't know the. But there was a great deal of peace, you know, even when I was in Prague, in the Czech Republic at other times, not that first time.
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Rob
There's a lot of beating around going
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Terrence Howard
on with beating around the bush. But I did.
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Rob
Somebody just watches the clip by itself. They have to go watch the whole podcast because you will not know what reference we're talking about. Shout out to Czechoslovakia. My first girlfriend was from Czechoslovakia in Germany. At 11 years old. Her name was Katarina. Staff first girl ever was Katarina Staf stuff. Her and her brother with good friends of mine.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, I fell in love a few times over there.
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Rob
They produce good products over there. Yeah, very.
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Terrence Howard
But the historicity of the city, I mean, to even going over the Charles Bridge and you look at all of the different statues that's been. And this is 600 years old rock.
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Rob
Is that a pot? Like, would you consider Prague?
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, Prague, I love that place.
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Rob
All right.
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Terrence Howard
I love that place. Prague is interesting thing.
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Rob
Yeah. To me. Like, I'll go to a place and I'll say, okay, how do I feel? You know, I want to get the vibe. Like, you know, and also depends what phase of your life you're in. Like. Yeah, in a. You're selling a company and tension, it's high. You're like, you may have bad memories of the place, but if you go to a certain place and you just can put your feet up, relax, enjoy, go eat good food. Any city I go to, Terence, if the food isn't good, I'm not happy, happy. I want good food. I want really good food. Entertain, you know, go enjoy yourself. But yeah, I think you may want to put Florida on that list. You may want to consider Florida. Florida will treat you well. She looks like she's okay with Florida as well.
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Terrence Howard
We've talked about it. The tax incentives here is a. It's a beautiful package. But when this place is under. When we have these many conflicts taking place, you know, with, with. With Cuba right now, you know, if something does happen, I think Florida be. Would be one of the first places that they hit. So I'm just thinking about, where can I be where my family will be safe? In the political.
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Rob
No matter where you go, no matter where you go, there's going to be something and you got to pick and choose which one you want to talk about, which one you want to pick. Last time we were together, I don't know how diddy conversation came up.
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Terrence Howard
Up.
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Rob
That went everywhere. You remember that when we talked about the Diddy conversation, where I think he wants to, you know, you, you.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, I think he's trying to.
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Rob
Yeah. And then afterwards, he obviously went to prison court. All that stuff has been done. And I don't know if you had a chance to watch the 50 Cent documentary.
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Terrence Howard
Yeah, I saw it.
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Rob
What'd you think about it?
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Terrence Howard
50 went in. He went all the way in. But it's like when you start judging people for the choices that they've made, you don't know the conditions and the circumstances that they were put under. You Know, like, I think about those girls that did that to me when I was 4. Where did they learn it from? Who did what to them? That made them think it was normal to carry this thing out. And, you know, I think that a lot of us get caught up in habits that was passed down to us that are not. Aren't necessarily innate from us, but they get passed on to us. So I've got to look at him, you know, with compassion, because you got to remember he's still. He's still us. You look in his eyes, it's the same light of God that's shining back. It's just another wave of the universe looking at him.
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Rob
Did he come out?
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Terrence Howard
Did he. Did he. You know, even Epstein. All of them. What one human being does, all human beings are doing. Because we're just really what happens in the sea over here. We don't say this wave.
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Rob
Interesting thing to say when. What if one human being does so, Meaning someone. Todd Epstein. Someone taught Diddy when I had Suge Knight on. Suge Knight said who did he say Rob that taught Diddy? He gave a name. Quincy. No. Was it Clive Davis? Yeah, he said Clive Davis. Clive Davis, Yeah, he talked about that, what Clive did early on, and. And then. So probably somebody taught Clive and this thing keeps. Did the. Did you hear any stories about Epstein in Hollywood or. He wasn't a Hollywood.
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Terrence Howard
No, I mean, not. Hell, I. When I would hear about Chris Tucker and people hopping on the. Hopping on the plane to go there, I didn't. I didn't know that Epstein was, you know, the bad guy that he is now, but I was like, damn, I would love to go. You know, I didn't know what was happening.
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Rob
No one talked about Epstein?
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Terrence Howard
No, nobody.
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Rob
Harvey. They did, but not Epstein.
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Terrence Howard
They didn't talk about Epstein. I didn't know. But, hell, I could have easily ended up over there if he had invited me over there. Because you. You think, okay, I'm going with. With the Hollywood move. I'm. That's how you get there. Like, I wasn't invited to the puffy parties. I wasn't invited to any of those things. So that's. There's a part of me that's so grateful that I wasn't invited, but back then I felt excluded. Back then I felt like, oh, I must be doing something wrong. You know, I'm. I'm. I wish I had participated in some of the druggeries, you know, and then wouldn't have alienated people that were good friends with my. That could have been Good friends, you know, because I still ended up participating in the druggery when I got older. But at the time. At the time, I just didn't want to do it because, you know, I had these other things that were pressing upon me now. I didn't get stuck into druggery, you know, but, yeah, it would have been nice to take some walks, you know, when I look back, you know, in
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Rob
my 30s, could have ended nasty.
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Terrence Howard
It could have ended.
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Rob
The fact that you didn't is probably a better thing.
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Terrence Howard
So the universe places you. You can't really regret anything, you know, but there's still parts of me that's like, wow, I dodged a bullet with Epstein. I dodged a bullet because I wasn't invited to those places, you know, but at the time, I didn't see it. I heard Denzel say once how he used to be so upset about Kevin Spacey. You know, Kevin Spacey was getting everything. Was. Had all these beautiful opportunities that even him, after everything he had done, he wasn't getting what he needed. And then. But I remember him saying, I wouldn't want to be Kevin Spacey now.
- [144:06]
Rob
So he was upset that Kevin was getting the opportunities.
- [144:09]
Terrence Howard
Yeah, I'm sure he used to really want, because Kevin got a lot of great, challenging stuff, and it was just in. And I'm not completely sure of the full context, but hearing him say that, hearing that. That statement, and it was something he said in an interview that made me rethink. Yeah, I'm so glad that I didn't have those opportunities that I thought I needed or wanted. At the top.
- [144:38]
Rob
Denzel, seems like he had influence over you in your career.
- [144:41]
Terrence Howard
Yeah. Yeah, he did.
- [144:42]
Rob
He honorable man.
- [144:45]
Terrence Howard
Yeah. He gave me some other advice once. I did this table read, and I got loud, and then he took me outside. He said. He said, listen, say you're walking down an alley, dark alley, and there's somebody at the end of the alley talking about, I'm gonna kill you, you mother ever. I'm gonna kill you. And, you know, he may be serious, but he said, how afraid of him are you? You? He's all the way at the end of the alley. He said, but if someone comes up to you and they say, I'mma cut your throat, which one are you more afraid of, the one yelling or the one whispering? And so it made me stop being obnoxious in my act.
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Rob
Wow.
- [145:33]
Terrence Howard
You know, what a.
- [145:34]
Rob
What a powerful advice to give gift. Sometimes the lowest tone can be scarier than you having to scream.
- [145:42]
Terrence Howard
That's the power. God whispers God never yells.
- [145:48]
Rob
You know, we did this whole conversation today. We haven't even talked about all this other stuff. This, the first one was all about that. But this was a phenomenal conversation. See, if you were in Florida, we would do this more often. Okay, I'm going to keep selling Florida to you.
- [146:00]
Terrence Howard
But you did great. You did great. I mean, the last hotel Marriott that wasn't. You didn't know. You didn't know. But the. The Four Seasons, this entire trip, you. Yeah.
- [146:10]
Rob
Where are you staying at? Where are you staying at?
- [146:11]
Terrence Howard
Over at the Four Seasons now, man. You did. It's a beautiful. It's a beautiful place. So thank you for taking care of me.
- [146:18]
Rob
Anytime. No. Anytime.
- [146:19]
Terrence Howard
And bringing me back here. You know, I didn't plan. I didn't know what I was going to talk about.
- [146:23]
Rob
Yeah. You know, I thought about. I'm like, you know what? I. And even when we started, you said some things and I took the notes and I said, I don't know, man. I just want to go a completely different direction. And I'm glad I did because the conversation was phenomenal. I learned a lot. I learned a lot of phrases you use. We laughed. We learned history. And by the way, I'm sure a couple of single guys are watching this. They're going to use our line. Rob. Yeah, yeah.
- [146:50]
Terrence Howard
You know, but anyways, empty the storage container.
- [146:53]
Rob
Empty the storage container. It was wild. And for the folks that are watching, you can always manect Terrence and ask him any questions you have for him. The man's got a wealth of knowledge and experience. Click on the link below. Send him a manect. Terence, appreciate you.
- [147:09]
Terrence Howard
Thank you, brother.
- [147:09]
Rob
Until next time. Take care.
- [147:11]
Terrence Howard
Amen. My man.
- [147:12]
Rob
Really enjoyed it.
- [147:13]
Terrence Howard
Me too. Hi, everyone. My name is Terence Howard. I'm an actor, but in the field of science also. So if you would like to connect with me, you can connect me with me on minec. The QR code is down below. And let's have a great conversation.
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