"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | PBD Podcast | Ep. 586

Summary

PBD Podcast Episode Summary: "The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence | Ep. 586

Release Date: May 14, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 586 of the PBD Podcast, host Patrick Bet-David delves into controversial discussions surrounding the events of September 11, 2001. Titled "The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD," the episode features prominent guests Curt Weldon, a former Congressman with extensive experience in intelligence matters, and retired Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, a Defense Intelligence Agency officer involved with the Able Danger project.

Main Discussion Points

Circumstantial Claims About 9/11 Investigations

Patrick Bet-David opens the conversation by questioning the relatively low financial investment in investigating the 9/11 attacks compared to other significant national incidents. He states:

“Why do we only spend $15 million to investigate that?” [00:28]

Curt Weldon asserts that the investigations into 9/11 were part of a larger cover-up orchestrated by the "deep state." He claims:

“The deep state was heavily involved in the 911 cover up... The media played right into the deep state.” [06:33]

Able Danger Project Insights

Weldon and co-guests discuss the Able Danger project, an intelligence initiative purported to have identified some of the 9/11 hijackers before the attacks occurred. Tony Schaefer elaborates on his role and the subsequent suppression of findings:

“When I came back from Afghanistan... I disclosed my role in the Able Danger operation, I was immediately suspended by Defense Intelligence...” [27:47]

Kurt Weldon emphasizes the project's significance and the alleged obstruction by intelligence agencies:

“We were an operational unit designed to go do something... The Able Danger project is stood down.” [65:42]

Allegations of CIA Involvement

A contentious point raised by the guests is the claim that two of the 9/11 terrorists were on the CIA’s payroll at the time of the attacks. Kurt Weldon states:

“Two of the terrorists on 911 were on the payroll of the CIA at the time.” [56:34]

This claim challenges the official narratives and suggests a deeper level of governmental complicity.

Suppression of Evidence and Witnesses

The discussion moves to the alleged destruction of evidence and the silencing of key witnesses. Eric, another guest, recounts orders to destroy two and a half terabytes of data related to the Able Danger project:

“We ended up deleting all of it. That's about the worst day you could ever spend in the military...” [42:09]

Weldon calls for a new presidential commission to thoroughly investigate these claims, free from political influence.

Connections to Prominent Figures and Further Conspiracies

The guests weave connections between high-profile individuals, suggesting ulterior motives behind political decisions:

“Dick Cheney... why they used to support Able Danger but then moved against it...” [73:31]

They also touch upon the involvement of other nations, particularly Iran, in harboring key figures linked to the attacks, further complicating the narrative and suggesting international dimensions to the conspiracy.

Notable Quotes

• Patrick Bet-David: “When a crisis happens, we sit there and we say, it's either this, it's either this...” [77:04]

• Curt Weldon: “This madness has got to stop in this country. It's out of control.” [26:13]

• Tony Schaefer: “I'm happy to try to give you answers that will help you. Look forward to talking to you.” [136:57]

Conclusions and Call to Action

The episode concludes with the guests urging listeners to support the formation of a new, independent presidential commission to investigate the 9/11 attacks comprehensively. They emphasize the need to uncover hidden truths and hold accountable those they believe were responsible for orchestrating or covering up the events.

“All of these people... making big money, and they're making it off the backs of dead soldiers and dead firefighters. I wear this jacket because Ray Downey... I will not stop until those 343 firefighters that were vaporized are vindicated...” [25:03]

Patrick Bet-David reinforces the necessity of seeking the truth, regardless of potential risks, advocating for transparency and accountability in national security matters.

Additional Resources

The podcast mentions several books and films related to the discussion, including:

• Curt Weldon: Presidential Firefighters for 9/11 Truth
• Tony Schaefer: Operation Dark Card
• Eric (Last Name Unspecified): Intelligence Operations

Listeners are encouraged to reach out to the guests via provided platforms for further inquiries and discussions.

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Disclaimer: The views and claims presented in this podcast summary reflect the content of the episode and its guests. They do not necessarily represent verified facts or the official stance of authoritative bodies. Viewers are encouraged to critically evaluate the information and consult multiple sources for a comprehensive understanding of the events discussed.

Transcript

[Patrick Bet-David]

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[Patrick Bet-David]

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[Kurt Weldon]

The whole thing is a cover up. And that's why I'm here. I know the game. You know, they have needles they insert in people that give them fast moving cancer. You can do that to me, but it's not gonna. No, I'm not. Come on. I've had two staffers that both work for the CIA. One was threatened. I was working with him when he died. But that's not right in America.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. You know, it's interesting you say that because I had such a good conversation with him. I said, do you mind coming back a month later, Months later, Rob tells me he passed away.

[Cash Patel]

When I came back from Afghanistan. I want to talk about able danger. I was immediately suspended. And so what I'm going to tell you now is what I told them.

[Kurt Weldon]

Two of the terrorists on 911 were on the payroll of the CIA at the time. Now look, I'm not accusing anybody. All I'm telling you is stop this bull. This is America. Let the people know the truth.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He was in the middle of all of this.

[Kurt Weldon]

All I can tell you is one of the first calls at my home that night was from Joe Biden.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Unbelievable.

[Kurt Weldon]

And he said, Kurt, I'm sorry what they did to you.

[Cash Patel]

30 seconds.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Did you ever think you were made? I feel I'm supposed I could take sweet victory. I know this life, Adam. What's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw.

[Cash Patel]

It's right here.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You are a one of one.

[Kurt Weldon]

My son's right.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, so we got a special show here today in regards to 9 11. A lot of people are saying why are you doing this? Because the last five years, the only strike we ever got on YouTube the last five four and a half years was when we interviewed Richard Gates. So there's a risk to having this conversation. But we have a lineup of people that are qualified to talk about this. Kurt Weldon, the younger generation knows Julian Assange and they know Snowden, but prior to them, the main guy, I would say a lot of people who would say that, including even a couple presidents, but one of them being Biden. There's a clip of him being very complimentary of you when you guys went to Iraq together on Memorial Day. We have that clip we'll play later on was Kurt Weldon. 20 years you served in the Congress, former fire chief. You've been in that space. You were very vocal about 9 11. And from there there's been a lot of different conversations about it. So it's great to have you here. And then also Tony Schaefer. Tony Schaefer, retired Army Lieutenant colonel, Defense Intelligence Agency officer, key liaison for Able danger connection to 9 11. He went public in 2005 as a whistleblower, stating that Able Danger had identified Mohammed Atta and three other 911 hijackers in 2000. But attempts to pass the information to FBI were blocked by military lawyers. We'll talk about that today.

[Cash Patel]

Yes, sir.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Thank you for your service. Great to have you here. And then, Eric, former U.S. army major and intelligence officer as well connected to 911 able danger. He was tasked with overseeing data mining and charting operations at Land Information Warfare Activity and worked closely with Able Danger team. He testified before Congress that he was ordered to destroy the two and a half terabytes that we've all read about. We've seen this, right? The two and a half terabytes of data, including references to terrorist cells, due to concerns over legality of holding information on US Persons. Is it fair to say this the first time you guys are doing a show together live?

[Cash Patel]

Yes, absolutely.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, fantastic. So look, we have a lot of topics to go through and we'll put the link below, Rob, to this presidential commission on 9 11. We've we had a commission before, but it wasn't a presidential commission. So President Trump could ideally do a presidential commission if you chose to want to go a little bit deeper to find out what happens here. The link to the information is going to be here for everybody who want to go get it. You can get the PDF and read through it. But I'm a business guy, so I got a business question for you and I'm going to start off with you. And we can go any direction you want to go. As a business guy, when you run a company and you're managing risk and where resources Go, things happen. And your team will come up to me and let me tell you what just happened with compliance. Da da da da da. Here's what we're facing. These guys could take, you know, $30 million of business away from us if we do this. The risk here is $30,000 if we do this here. Okay? So whatever's the biggest risk, that's the biggest damage to the company. You give the most resources, lawyers, research, research forensics, to go investigate it. Right. That's business. I'm thinking from a business lens. But for me the part out of everything that we got on 911 Commission and there's a lot of them, Monica Lewinsky, okay. When you look at what happened in, you know, January 17, 1998, January 26 is when he said I did have relations with Monica Lewinsky. They spent $30 million to investigate this incident that happened. The three year relationship between Monica Lewinsky and the President Clinton at the time. Nobody died. No one was physically hurt. Matter of fact, people probably got healthier because of the three years of whatever happened. You know, but it's not like somebody got hurt because of it. 30 million there, 911 happens. 2,977 people die. That leads to a war that taxpayers spend roughly $8 trillion. War on terror due to 9 11. Outside of the 2990, 2977 that died, there's another 4500 people that died due to effects of it afterwards. And this is documented. We can read it everywhere. So for Monica LEWINSKY we spend $30 million for 9 11. The biggest event that cost the most American lives ever, more than Pearl Harbor. Because that's 24 or 3, 2009 77. Why do we only spend $15 million to investigate that and only spend and spend $30 million for Lewinsky. And nobody died here. Why do you think that is?

[Kurt Weldon]

Well, after serving in Congress for 20 years and representing all the firefighters at the same time, I can tell you the reason. It's because the deep state was heavily involved in the 911 cover up. And the deep state didn't want the information out about the truth. The deep state's experts are creating the spin that they accuse other people of doing. And the deep state when 911 happened, diverted all of our attention to Al Qaeda, to the need to send our troops overseas. I took that very seriously. Then I found out that Bin Laden wasn't even in Afghanistan. That's another topic we can talk about. But the deep state controlled the spin. The media played right into the deep state. Now let me Tell you, five years ago, I had a private meeting with Seymour Hersh. You know who Seymour Hersh is? The number one investigative reporter in the country. Dennis Kucinich, a liberal Democrat, asked me to meet with him. Seymour Hersh said to me, congressman, you have one hell of a story. I said, you have no permission to publish anything right now after what they did to my family. He said, okay, let's meet four months from now. We met four months later. And he said, I verified every fact in detail. You told me Brennan Clapper wanted you not to assume the role of chairman of the Armed Services Committee. They went to Mueller and asked Mueller to do a favor and disrupt your election. It was all about keeping me from becoming chairman. To have unlimited subpoena power to ask the questions that you're going to ask today to give the American people the answers to what happened? What do we know before 9 11? What happened at 9 11, and what do we do with bin Laden after 9 11? This whole thing, in answer to your risk management question, was controlled by the deep state.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who was the deep state in 01?

[Kurt Weldon]

I can't. I can't push, push to any one person. But I would tell you that Brandon Clapper were in the middle of all of this as the leaders of the agency.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He was in the middle of all of this.

[Kurt Weldon]

Well, I can't again, I only talk about what I can take a polygraph and take lie detector test over. All I can tell you is what I was told is by Seymour Hersh that Brennan Clapper did not want me to assume the chairmanship. Both parties, my party, Republican. In three weeks before my election, they ordered a raid on my daughter's house and listen carefully. They raided my daughter's house and never talked to my daughter. Never ever. No one, ever. They carry boxes out of her home with TV cameras from across the country there. FBI agents sent from D.C. this is long before Donald Trump. Donald Trump wasn't even around in 2006. They raided my daughter's house, carried boxes out, never talked to her, ever. No one. The same day they did that, they raided a lawyer's house right near my home. The lawyer at the time was working FBI counterintelligence against Russia that I had arranged two years earlier. When the agents from DC Arrived in his office, the counterintel agents were already sitting in his office. So he had two sets of office and his agents in his office at the same time. And when they found out from D.C. the first question was, well, Mr. Gallagher, aren't you related to Congressman Curt? Weldon and Gallagher started laughing at them. Because my wife's maiden name is Gallagher. They have been given bad information. And I know who gave them the bad information. The there's no relationship. They apologized to Gallagher, but they did want a file he had. And I'm going to tell you what that file contains. It contains information about our top spy in the Russian Far east named Douglas Kent. John Gallagher took the case because a 20 year old Russian child named Alexander Kashin was broadsided by a drunken State Department employee in Vladivostok. That kid became a quadriplegic. But he had relatives in Philadelphia. They contacted John Gallagher, asked him to take the case. He took a pro bono, no money involved. I helped him, John, as a file 6 inches thick. That's what they wanted. Because when that person, that senior State Department official who was our top CIA agent in the Russian Far East, Douglas Ghent, when he was hired by the CIA, he was the Vice chairman of the American Nazi Party. And there are photographs of him in uniform, in a Nazi uniform when he was hired by the CIA. That's what they wanted. Had nothing to do with me. But they ruined my daughter's life and career to stop me from becoming chairman. And in 2000, both Donald Rumsfeld and the number two leader in the Defense Department, Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamrey, wrote one page letters endorsing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee. And three months after they ruined my election, George H.W. bush, the former head of the CIA did a public tribute to me, which I said to your staff, you can play it on your show in front of 2,000 people in Washington. George H.W. bush, the former head of the CIA said, Congressman Weldon, you're the kind of leader, leader that America needs. A leader that leaves America stronger.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He's saying this.

[Kurt Weldon]

You had the tape.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This is in 2005.

[Kurt Weldon]

No, this is in 2007.

[Patrick Bet-David]

2007.

[Kurt Weldon]

Three months after they did my election, my career after his. The son who had no clue the people around him were in running the show. Not, not, not the, not George Bush. I'm convinced of that. It was the people around Bush.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So you. So, okay, so indirectly from listening to you, I don't hear that you're saying George W. Bush was part of Deep State.

[Kurt Weldon]

I don't think he knew about it. I don't have the highest respect for him. He's not the brightest star in the sky, but I don't think he did it. I think it was a combination of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice Rove, that group of people and the intelligence agency. That group of people, what Cy Hersh told me, he said they could never raid the vice chairman of both the Defense Committee and the Homeland Security Committee, which I was right. Three weeks prior to an election, unless the White House approved it. Three weeks prior to my election, the White House approved the Department of Justice raiding my daughter's house. And they never talked to her. And then three months later, George H.W. bush does the tribute in front of 2,000 leaders in Washington. And I would just encourage you, Patrick, to play that for your viewers to listen to what George H.W. bush says about my career and the legacy that I left for the country.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Rob, do we have that clip?

[Tony Schaefer]

I will grab it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So is that on YouTube? Is that something I can be saying?

[Kurt Weldon]

Yeah, they try to take it down. Four year, five years ago, they tried to take it down. I got active. Now it's all over the place. There are thousands of hits. They can get it all over. It's George H.W. bush sitting in a chair. He's never done this before. For any other member that I know of, giving a public tribute to me.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I have it. I have it, Rob. I'll send it to you. He's sitting in a chair. It's not a.

[Kurt Weldon]

It's in front of 10, 2000 leaders in Washington, including members of the House and the Senate.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, go for it, Rob. Is this the one you're talking about? Good evening, all of you. This one.

[Kurt Weldon]

1989, I had the honor of addressing this audience at the first annual National Fire and Emergency Services Dinner. I can recall looking out at the audience and seeing over 2,000 fire service leaders. It was an impressive sight to say the least. And now, as President of the United States, I naturally assumed that the audience was there to hear me speak.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But the following year, you packed the.

[Kurt Weldon]

Ballroom again, as you've done year after year. Why? Not so much to hear from presidents or vice presidents, but to hear from your leader of the past 20 years, Kurt Weldon. You often heard Kurt speak of the.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Fire service as the sleeping giant. When I was president, if it appeared.

[Kurt Weldon]

That I wasn't giving proper attention to your issues, I could always be assured of a phone call from Kurt. I am sure the other presidents would all say the same. To his credit, the fire service was never a partisan issue.

[Cash Patel]

It was a personal issue.

[Kurt Weldon]

Based on his own experience as a volunteer firefighter, he's the reason why both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue have heard the fire service's voice and answered so many of your calls.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He's the reason why you?

[Kurt Weldon]

The fire and emergency services was awakened 20 years ago and has become such a political force in our nation's capital. It's the goal of every political leader who is blessed with the opportunity to serve the public, to leave behind a legacy, a legacy that in some way.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Makes our nation stronger, better and safer.

[Kurt Weldon]

Curt, you've done just that through your.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Dedication and your commitment to our nation's 1 million first. Some would say he was the Deep State. A lot of people would say he's Deep State Director of CIA. So for former director of CIA and becomes President vp, a lot of things that he's done. So for him to say that. He's saying that in 2007.

[Kurt Weldon]

Yes. Three months after they ended my career.

[Patrick Bet-David]

When did you blow the whistle?

[Kurt Weldon]

Oh, I blew it all during my time in Congress, but especially on 9, 11, 6-19-05.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is that pretty accurate?

[Kurt Weldon]

Oh, I published a book here in 2005 where I took on the CIA. But. But I. George Bush knew I supported a lot of the things he did, especially in. That's why it's so.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But the reason why I'm asking this question is the timing sequencing is what I'm trying to find out. So 911 01?

[Kurt Weldon]

Yep.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You blow the whistle in oh, five.

[Kurt Weldon]

No, I blew the whistle starting immediately. Not right was when the report came out.

[Patrick Bet-David]

When did you get public about it?

[Kurt Weldon]

Oh, right away. Like how right away I gave. As soon as they took Tony Schaefer out, I started harassing the DIA, said this is a Biscayne bigger than Watergate.

[Cash Patel]

Yeah. DoD overall.

[Patrick Bet-David]

The DoD overall.

[Cash Patel]

It wasn't just DI, but we can cover that in a bit.

[Kurt Weldon]

So I was. I took on the system saying this is wrong.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So if. If the, if the Deep State. He is one of the pillars of the Deep State. Oh, yeah, okay. You're saying oh, yeah. So he is one of the pillars of Deep State. There is no way in the world if the five of us that are running Deep State Deep State are talking to each other and we're like, look, you can endorse him like that. No way in a million years should you do that. George, think about it. Don't do it. Don't endorse him that way.

[Kurt Weldon]

I'm sure they told him that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, so then there's another clip from another president who wasn't a president at the time. Biden. Rob, if you have that clip, President Biden at the time also in this hearing that's taking place, he goes for a few minutes, but I'll just play for the clip for the first two minutes. Here's President Biden. He talks about how much of a staunch Republican you are. This is. This is about 9, 11. When is this taking place by the way with you being there? When is this?

[Cash Patel]

2005, I believe.

[Tony Schaefer]

September 2005. The first. First.

[Kurt Weldon]

That's the hearing of the first hearing on Naval Danger.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This is the first testimony in front of the Judicial Senate. Okay, let's. Let's hear this one here. Rob, if you don't mind. Go for it.

[Kurt Weldon]

For two reasons. One, my high regard for the congressman. He's over the years in the last nine months shared information with me.

[Cash Patel]

Some of it seemed prescient and turns out that a number of the things.

[Kurt Weldon]

He said have been. I was unaware of have turned out to be the case.

[Cash Patel]

And I thought this morning we were going to get. Be able to get to the bottom.

[Kurt Weldon]

Of some of this.

[Patrick Bet-David]

There's a couple people didn't show up.

[Kurt Weldon]

I know as you know better than.

[Cash Patel]

I do to testify.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So you were.

[Cash Patel]

I was there.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You were there. Did you test the first.

[Kurt Weldon]

But a very.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But they didn't keep letting me go. Rob. Because I want to see this. I want to go to Cameron Kurt because he still hasn't said the name. I just want to see the face.

[Kurt Weldon]

Has no political agenda here other than trying to figure out what. What we knew and didn't know and what. Why we didn't know it. And my staff indicates to me that representatives from the Department of Defense had confirmed that an internal Investigation identified on.

[Cash Patel]

5 able danger team members who claimed.

[Kurt Weldon]

Either seen a picture of Otto or had seen his name in the chart prepared in 99 by the able Danger Team. And the Defense investigation found these sources.

[Cash Patel]

To be credible but didn't uncover the chart itself. Defensive officials have said that documents associated.

[Kurt Weldon]

With the project have been destroyed in accordance with regulations regarding electro dissemination and destruction procedures for intelligence gathering and on people inside the United States. And so I thought we were going to get a chance to clear some of that up this morning.

[Cash Patel]

For the life of me I don't understand why.

[Kurt Weldon]

Very weak as I understand it. I stand corrected if I'm wrong. But I understand the witnesses we assumed we were going to get to hear from. From the Defense Department have been pulled. You were one of the ones that they cannot testify.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And to be fair, you and him. You can pause it right here. You and him traveled together on Memorial Day to Iraq.

[Kurt Weldon]

Joe has traveled with me. He went to Libya with me. I took the first delegation to Libya in 25 years. Joe went with me on my second trip when I spoke to Libyan people. Joe spoke after I did. Joe and I grew up one mile apart. My son graduated with Joe's daughter. And when my son died, partly because of what they did to me, Joe drove three hours as vice president and stood in line at the funeral to console my family. And when I lost my election In November of 06, one of the first calls at my home that night was from Joe Biden.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Unbelievable.

[Kurt Weldon]

And he said, kurt, I'm sorry what they did here. The other person that called me was Steny Hoyer, top Democrat in the House. And he said, kurt, I'm sorry what they did to you. Both of them called me because they were friends of mine, still are friends of mine, even though I'm a Republican. Let me say one more thing. In 2000, people were pushing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee. Donald Rumsfeld was the top leader on defense issues. He writes a one page letter endorsing me for chairman. The top Democrat was the Deputy Secretary of Defense, John Hamre. He writes a one page letter endorsing me. I have both letters I'll give you for your show endorsing me. But I would have to have jump over four other members. And we didn't do that back then. So I waited. I was next in line. But when. And I would have become chairman had I been elected in 2006. That's what it was all about, stopping me from becoming chairman. But here's the thing. You asked about the hearing. I requested the hearings as the vice chairman of the Defense Committee and the Homeland Security Committee. And I went to Donald Rumsfeld, who had endorsed me in 2000, and his assistant's name was Steve Cambone. And they said, no way, Congressman. We're not letting anyone from Able Danger testify. I said, oh, yes, you are. The American people need to hear this. They said, no, we're not. I have a letter that I'll provide for you for your show that I Produced, signed by 250 members of Congress. There are only 435 members in the House. This is what year it was. Immediately after 9, 11. It's the hearing that you're talking about where I testified.

[Patrick Bet-David]

250.

[Kurt Weldon]

250 fifty members. I would say this to you right now. Probably eight of those members have signed that letter. In the Senate right now, people like Roger Wicker and Lindsey Graham and Shelley Moore, Kapita, they were all House members. 250 members of the House signed the letter with me. People like Jack Mertha people like Dick Armey, senior leaders of both parties saying we want this team to testify about what they knew. But the Deep state didn't want them to testify and Rumsfeld wouldn't let them testify. They sat in the audience. I testified at a public hearing and I showed the charts that you have now. That's the first time those charts were ever shown. The whole thing is a cover up and that's why I'm here.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But, but Kurtza250 at the time were on your side to want to find out what's going on more.

[Kurt Weldon]

I only had a couple 250 members of the House. I have all their signatures.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So now, so now for, for gentlemen, I'm going to come to you as well. I'm just trying to get this part because I want to come back and find out what they told you that you can't get in there. We still haven't found that out. So let me, let me ask this. So Joe Biden at the time, would you consider that Joe Biden, the eloquent speaker, the way he was speaking right there, being able to break things down. Would you say he at the time was part of Deep State?

[Kurt Weldon]

No, but you know he wasn't in a position of being the president where you have the ability to control the Deep State. The leadership in the White House controls what the Deep State does and who they are. And the only reason I talk who.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Controls what Deep State does?

[Kurt Weldon]

Well, the leadership in the White House.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So the President controls what the Deep State does.

[Kurt Weldon]

The only reason I talked after 18.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Years and then that's George Bush though.

[Kurt Weldon]

What because Donald Trump took on the 51 people when he denied their security clearances. They're the Deep state. All of those 51 were involved in creating a false scenario about Russia inclusion with Trump.

[Cash Patel]

Yeah.

[Kurt Weldon]

And I figured I'm going to talk now that Trump's in. And look, my partners today are ex federal judges, former heads of the FBI. They all know my story and a lot of military officers know my story. So they can't get away with knocking me off. And I know the game. You know they have needles they insert in people that give them fast moving cancer. They have ways that they get you out to accidents. You can do that to me. It's not going to. No, I'm not. Come on. I've had two staffers that both work for the CIA. One was threatened by a former top CIA official worldwide. My staffer from Florida, John Quirk, who was in charge of anti money laundering got a call from the senior CIA retiree. And he said to him, why are you helping Kurt Weldon? And John Quirk said, because Kurt Weldon's a patriot. A year later, John Quirk died of a fast moving stomach cancer. Now, I can't prove that they did it, but that's not right in America.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, you know, it's interesting you say that, because we had one guy, only one guy I've had on the podcast that I had him on 30 days later, and it was Peter Price.

[Kurt Weldon]

Peter Pry was my staffer.

[Cash Patel]

Yeah.

[Kurt Weldon]

Peter Pry worked for me. Peter Pry wrote this book with me. Peter Pry was my person. I brought peter from the CIA after 10 years of analysis to work for me. He was my person. Everything I did, I did with Peter Pry.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He was the leading guy for mps.

[Kurt Weldon]

I wrote the MP legislation. I credit the MP Commission. And Peter headed up. Peter Pry was my person. I was working with him when he died.

[Patrick Bet-David]

We had Peter Pry on the first time. He looked perfectly healthy.

[Kurt Weldon]

He was healthy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I had such a good conversation with him. I said, do you mind coming back? A month later, we had a second conversation with him. Months later, Rob tells me he passed away.

[Kurt Weldon]

Two of them died. They both ex CIA. Now, look, I'm not accusing anybody or. All I'm telling you is stop this bullshit. This is America. Let the people know the truth. There are good people in intelligence, Patrick. I have to say that I have good friends that do great work for our country, and I respect them. But there are scumbags that are sitting on big bank accounts that are making big money, and they're making it off the backs of dead soldiers and dead firefighters. I wear this jacket because Ray Downey, the chief of the fire department in New York who got vaporized at 9 11, gave it to me in 93. I will not stop until those 343 firefighters that were vaporized are vindicated, along with the 2,977 other victims and the thousands more that died from our sending troops over to Afghanistan when bin Laden wasn't in Afghanistan. This madness has got to stop in this country. It's out of control.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And I want to get to that on where bin Laden was when we're going back. There's a whole story with that as well. But if you don't mind. You know, Tony, Yeah. For you, you're a lieutenant colonel. Okay. One of my biggest heroes when I was in the military was a man named Lt. Col. Peacocks. He ended up being a general later on, but he was one of my favorite guys I ever worked under when I was at the 101st Airborne. Lieutenant Colonel is a very high ranking place to be. And you've seen a lot, you've talked a lot. You have a lot of things that happen that day. Then Senator Biden today, ex President Joe Biden says five of them were not allowed to come on today. You were one of the five.

[Cash Patel]

I was.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What were you told? That first you were invited. Who invited you and then what did they say that you can't come on?

[Cash Patel]

Well, let me give a little bit of background context. So being a lieutenant colonel is a bit of a misnomer. That was part of my cover. That happened during the time I was outed by dia. I'm in something called the Military Intelligence Accepted Career program. Isip. We go back and forth between being civilians. I'm Also a retired GS14. You can look it up. This is unclassified, but I'm just saying. So what happened was, Pat, is that when I came back from Afghanistan, after I disclosed my role in the Able Danger operation, I was immediately suspended by Defense Intelligence over nonsense over.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who suspended you?

[Cash Patel]

The Defense Intelligence Agency. This was in the beginning of 2004.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who was the shot caller that did that?

[Cash Patel]

Yeah, it was Major General. I'll think of his name in a second. And he was a Marine Corps general. I'll think of it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Two star general.

[Cash Patel]

Two star general. He was the D.O. the director of Operations. And at the time the director was Admiral Jacoby. And when I got suspended, I had some time on my hands because nobody knew what was going on. There was three nonsensical allegations which by the way, the army resolved in my favor and I got promoted to lieutenant Colonel. You don't get promoted if you have standing at potential adverse actions over you. So the army saw him. It's like congratulations are being promoted. Defense Intelligence used the three same allegations to suspend my clearance and get me fired. Just saying how wacky that is. And think about that from the business perspective. You're looking at facts and army says, yeah, this is not nonsense. Defense Intelligence, who I have the issue with, suspend me and fire me over the same allegations. Think about that. We can go through them in greater detail.

[Kurt Weldon]

But Tony, you have to tell the story as to what was done in Afghanistan when Mueller came through.

[Cash Patel]

Well, I'm saying so.

[Kurt Weldon]

So explain that.

[Cash Patel]

So Zelikow. Zelikow had met with me in Afghanistan.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Philip Zelikow.

[Cash Patel]

Philip Zelikow.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And who is he?

[Cash Patel]

He is the staff director of the 911 Commission. Kurt mentioned him earlier. Okay, so, so. And when I was undercover. Again, this is a bit complicated. When I was undercover in agius in Afghanistan, being the director of operations for the clandestine operations In Afghanistan in 2003, it's when Zelikow came through Bagram and he was part of the 911 Commission. He and several staffers came through and their task, this is the 911 Commission task was to do research on events before the day of and after the 911 attacks. They basically wanted to talk to people with firsthand anecdotal information. So I raised my hand. It's like, hey, they've probably already heard of this, but I want to talk about Able Danger. And that's. This was October of 2003. And so what I'm going to tell you now is what I told them. Abel Danger was an entrepreneurial concept that was created for the, for the purposes of targeting a non geographic target, Al Qaeda. You had Erik Prince on a year ago. Erik's concepts. I love Eric. I consider us friends. I hope so. He believes in entrepreneurial concepts. We did that internally. We were trying to figure out the best and brightest way to go after al Qaeda in 1999.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This is a PMC model.

[Cash Patel]

It's, it's, it actually is a PMC model. It is a. Yeah, I've talked to him about it. Yeah. So what we did is that as a reservist, I know you're going to laugh at this. As a, a major I was down in Tampa and the DIA rep, Al Downs said go talk to. This is a major reservist. Going to brief the commanding general Pete Schoomaker on my, on my civilian mission.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Pete schoolmaker.

[Cash Patel]

Pete Schoomaker. General Pete Schoonmaker who was Commander Special Operations Command in 1999-2000. There he is. So imagine if you will, when people have a hard time wrapping their mind around this. A little old reservist major goes in to brief the commanding general of SOCOM on what I do in my, my, my civilian DIA job. Out of that meeting, Pat, General Schoonmaker says I get him read into Able Danger. And I had no idea what that was. So the next day, I think this was August of 1999. I'm brought down into a secure. Yeah, you guys have your thing in a bank vault? Well, skiffs are like bank vaults. They're secure facilities within secure facilities. I go down and I'm introduced by to Captain Scott Philpott who's in a lieutenant commander or commander. And I'm given this big old binder, the binder is about, about 5 inches thick. He says, there you go. And I start reading it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Scott.

[Cash Patel]

Scott Philpot. And I start reading it and it is like the E ticket to Disneyland. We're going downtown to go after Al Qaeda. This is a sweet. This is a concept to go and conduct offensive, offensive operations against the growing threat. Remember you talked about the value judgment of what you invest in. We'd already been hit twice in Africa from Al Qaeda and there was a recognition that that was a growing threat. So secretly, General Hugh Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs. You can bring him up. Hugh Shelton was chairman of The Joint Chiefs in 99 had tasked Pete Schoonmaker with Abel Danger. Abel Danger was a. A campaign plan. You're a business guy, so you guys do campaigns, right? Figure out resources. You figure out objectives. You sign them. You sign resources to tasks, to potential outcomes. That's what Able Danger was. It was all an entrepreneurial concept that. Yes. So when.

[Patrick Bet-David]

When did able danger start? 99.

[Cash Patel]

It was.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So it has nothing to do with 9 11.

[Cash Patel]

No. Well, it gets there. Let me get you there. So Abel Danger was the offensive concept off the books. Remember you see in the movies all the time. The euphemism of off the books. We were off the books operation.

[Kurt Weldon]

But if I'm not mistaken, it was under. It was under Eric Klein Smith's.

[Cash Patel]

No, no, no. I'll get to Eric. I'll get to Eric. Eric had no idea. As a matter of fact, he's never been in Reddit in everything we did. So my. So I'm read into the project and my job is to develop access for purposes of weaponized technology. This again, think offensively. This is before 911 and we're tasked to go kill Al Qaeda before 9 11. Think about the. Now, this is the problem with the whole thing.

[Patrick Bet-David]

We're talking prevent, preventative measures.

[Cash Patel]

Bingo. Yes. This is why they want to distract with the chart constantly patient.

[Kurt Weldon]

We.

[Cash Patel]

This is why they were upset with me testifying. You remember the Israeli op? The pager op, Pat. Of course, they weren't the first ones to think about that. Just saying I have to be careful about where I'm going because we have. I'm still trying to get permission from the Pentagon to talk about my role. My role enabled Danger to this day has never been disclosed. I've been said to be the coordinator. I've been a reservist. My role was so highly classified. He probably remembers this. I was waived in closed hearings with Kurt. I was waved off by the staff director of the House Armed Services Committee because I couldn't talk about my role. He was literally in the back of the room saying don't say that, you can't say that. So to this day they've, we have never talked about and I'm still trying to get permission to talk about it anyway. Suffice it to say that what I was doing in my civilian job was what we wanted to introduce to the Able Danger operation as one of the offensive options. And this is the key. This wasn't about waiting till something happened. This was about us. Pete Schoomaker putting together a team, the best and the brightest to put together options for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Hugh Shelton to go do something before 911 and those. That was the whole project. That was the concept. The idea was pat. We knew they were coming. We put together a team that would be invested in doing things that have never been done before. And oh by the way, how do you target something that's never been targeted? How do you do something relating to a non geographic target, a transnational target, data mining. At the time nobody knew about it. Remember this is 99. This is before anybody understood the power of the Internet. So when I'm tasked to help them figure out how do we go about targeting all the Ranch, Pete Schoonmaker called it the ranch, the Special Operations command ranch that includes the secret army of Northern Virginia Delta, you know Rangers. It's the options that were available for us to do something. And oh by the way the other thing key about this, this was Able Danger was the first time Special Operations command was ever the supported sink. This is important because that means they were the lead. They were the ones asking the other regional sinks to help them. It was huge. This was groundbreaking.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I just pulled up and I asked what was the original purpose of Able Danger? Mission objective number one, map Al Qaeda's global network. The team used open source intelligence, public records, website news and advanced data analysis to tools to construct link charts of suspected terrorists and their connections. Number two, identify terrorist cells in the US able danger reportedly flagged individuals later tied to 911 including Muhammad Atta based on behavior patterns, travel records and communication metadata. Number three, provide operational intelligence to military planners. The goal was to preemptively disrupt terror plots through actionable intelligence passed to agencies like the FBI and the CIA.

[Cash Patel]

That's it. So, so I got this task and it's like what do I do? I knew LIWA was experimenting with data mining and I'll let Eric talk, take over here because we had no way to Map al Qaeda. So this is a long way to answer your question. I know Pat, but you need to understand the picture of what got us into the room.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I guess what I want to know is who told you you can't be in the hearing? Who called and said you're out?

[Kurt Weldon]

The Senate.

[Cash Patel]

So DoD leadership, Army leadership said you can't go in. I was.

[Kurt Weldon]

Senate's the one that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

How far, how far before the hearing did they say that? An hour before? A day before that.

[Cash Patel]

That morning. That morning I was in. You can pull up pictures of the hearing. I'm in uniform standing right next to the chart. Right next to the charts.

[Kurt Weldon]

Right.

[Cash Patel]

If you, if you, if you bring up, if you Google able danger Senate Hearing 2005 it should come up with a number of time life pictures that show all of us together where I'm in the back row next to JD Smith who's going to become. Yeah, here we go. Right there. See, I'm right there.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I see you.

[Cash Patel]

There's Russ Queso, there's Kurt, there's J.D. smith. And I think you're there somewhere. Right.

[Tony Schaefer]

I'm heading behind one of the maps.

[Cash Patel]

So, so, so we were going to lay out. Everything I'm laying out to you right now. We were going to lay out in great detail. And so this is where to answer your question, what I was going to do is build the case of why. And by the way, Pat, one key thing to remember, we weren't supposed to find what we found. We were off the books. We were looking at Al Qaeda from a fresh perspective. None of us were experts on this issue. I would argue that we became a dangling participle, an inconvenient organization that saw what the deep state was doing and that's why they came after us.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Did any one of you at the time have a relationship with the president? President Trump, currently President no.

[Cash Patel]

No.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Did you have a relationship?

[Cash Patel]

Not till later.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Before you show anything, the only reason I'm sharing this is Rob, do you have a clip of President Trump on Morning Joe Scarborough? I don't know if you guys have seen this or not. Morning Joe is doing a show and they're talking about a book that he wrote that came 19 months before 9 11. And just listen to Morning Joe's reaction to this. Go forward.

[Cash Patel]

Buzzfeed dug up an old quote from.

[Kurt Weldon]

Donald Trump talking about a large scale.

[Cash Patel]

Terror attack 19 months before 911 in his 2000 book the America We Deserve Trump. I really am convinced we're in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that.

[Kurt Weldon]

Will make the bombing of the 1993 Trade center look like little kids playing with firecrackers. Trump also mentioned the mastermind of the attack, writing, quote, one day we're told.

[Cash Patel]

That a shadowy figure with no fixed.

[Kurt Weldon]

Dress named Osama bin Laden is public enemy number one. And US jet fighters lay waste to.

[Tony Schaefer]

His camp in Afghanistan.

[Kurt Weldon]

He escapes, back under some rock, and a few news cycles later, it's onto a new enemy and a new crisis.

[Cash Patel]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, hold on a second.

[Cash Patel]

Is this really Trump before 9 11?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Have you read this? It's 2000 in his book. Are we making somebody?

[Kurt Weldon]

Did you make this up, Mika?

[Cash Patel]

Nick, I did. Did you make this up, Nick?

[Kurt Weldon]

Tell us it's over, right? Because everything. Mika, stop.

[Tony Schaefer]

Got it.

[Kurt Weldon]

I think it's over.

[Tony Schaefer]

What's that?

[Patrick Bet-David]

What's the rage here? This is real, Rob.

[Kurt Weldon]

I think it's cute.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What do you think about Robbie Kim Posi? What do you think about the fact that the president said this 19 months before 911 happened?

[Cash Patel]

I think wise people understood what was forming because we were told by the chairman of the Joint Chief to go look at this. And one of the notable things about this now, full disclosure, I know President Trump. I was the national security advisor of the Trump 2020 campaign. So I do have, you know, and I did meet him way later in 20, I think 15. But I think he had a sense, like many of us, that something was brewing. And to continue your point, to answer your question, when I was the coordinator of trying to pull the team together behind the scenes, I took the Able Danger team to land information warfare activity at Fort Belvoir, Virginia. And that's where Eric comes into it. They were doing an extraordinary job of, again, look at the timeframe. 98, 99, 2000. Pat. Nobody knew the power of big data. And so we were the first operational unit to actually use a combination of open source, closed source. Part of my job was to actually combine the top secret piece. One of My deputies, Theresa McSwain, Lt. Col. McSwain, brought the NSA database down to Garland, Texas to combine them together to do this overall targeting to combine, you know, basically combine things. This was a major effort. And again, before I let Eric. One second, before I turn it over to Eric, remember we're talking about a massive investment of resources as you as a businessman would recognize as a priority. Yet somehow they, they, they reduced it down to a map, they of a chart they couldn't find to dismiss everything we did because they were so desperate to focus on one thing and Push us away.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, so now, Eric, where you come in here as an army major intelligence officer, you're the one that was at you before Congress and were ordered to destroy two and a half terabytes of data.

[Tony Schaefer]

Right?

[Patrick Bet-David]

So you know exactly what's in that data.

[Kurt Weldon]

It.

[Tony Schaefer]

It was. Well, yes and no. Because before the destruction, we were giving a cease and desist order down through DOD to stop what you're doing because you're violating intelligence oversight rules on how you collected that information, which is not true.

[Cash Patel]

Well, there was no violation.

[Tony Schaefer]

Right, right there. One of the problems that. Yeah, that was me, a much younger me, nice time. But what we learned, again, we were running several different operations. This was a very young organization. It was only, I think, two years old by the time this started up. I was the first military chief of the Intelligence branch. It was an operational unit designed to help the army or support the army in and fighting information warfare, information operations, psychological deception, operational security, that kind of thing. So we had operational teams, but I had a 24 person intel branch within that group. And we were getting, because of the power that we were given with these new data mining tools. And I'm telling you, they were bleeding edge. We were doing a lot of things that we were making mistakes along the way. I got called in one morning because apparently I had conducted a denial of service attack against dia, and then now nga, their proxy server, shut the whole thing down. Only because we were training a harvesting tool to pick up different information, and it hit DIA on a classified network and started harvesting the entire agency. And so denial service, they shut the whole thing down. So I got blamed. I got called down on the carpet for that one morning. That's what I mean. Like the types of technology we were trying to wrestle with and figure out once we had gotten those down. And it was a great combination of the data that we were bringing in, the tools that we were using, but also more importantly, the people and the processes that we had put in place and the folks that I had assigned to different tasks. We had first done an operation using data mining to show Department of Defense how our technology was being stolen specifically by China and some other countries. And we were able to map it out by using a single technology as a sample. That became a firestorm because it had gotten leaked that we were doing this work. We received a subpoena from Congressman Dan Burton that he wanted all that information. So we spent a weekend making 30,000 copies to deliver it by a data set on paper to do that. But that got us on the map. And that's where why Tony came to see us anywhere.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is this two and a half terabytes anywhere right now. Does anybody have access to this? Right, no.

[Tony Schaefer]

And here's 100%.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No one has it.

[Cash Patel]

No, I think it may, I think it may exist.

[Tony Schaefer]

Here's, here's the rub because I. It was myself and one of my warrant officers, warrant officer analysts who was on the team. We had to have a deep discussion because we were told, you know, if you're collecting information that has, that has information about US persons from an intelligence standpoint, I mean, they beat this regulation into your head every year as a requirement. So we were warned. Oh, by the way, all this stuff that you had collected, and it wasn't just one chart, it was dozens of charts. We had dozens of connections. We had cells in Northern Africa, we had cells in the Middle east, we had cells in the Far East. And then we started seeing cells pop up within the U.S. my hometown of Plymouth, Michigan popped up as a potential operation. A front organization that was using my little hometown outside of Detroit to funnel money into the organization. So it was more than just operations Al Qaeda. So it wasn't just operatives. It was an entire support and sympathetic.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But is there enough information here where you know who was behind 9 11?

[Cash Patel]

Well, can I add something real quick?

[Tony Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Cash Patel]

We had a person that was actually monitoring global movement of individuals of interest via mosques. All the mosques.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay.

[Cash Patel]

Alejandra Mogalino.

[Kurt Weldon]

She did a three hour interview for my oral history which has never been released. I'm the only one that has the interview.

[Cash Patel]

And the DoD and IGN interviewed her and then basically proceeded to not ask her a single question about what we're about to talk about. Eric was provided via Orion Scientific as the source detailed data about individuals moving between mosques. So it wasn't simply big data. It was the fact that we were targeting down to the mosque level, which makes it hugely controversial. You and I can agree that the.

[Kurt Weldon]

Whole big issue here, the bigger, bigger story in the Congress is that I was funding their program. As the chairman of the R D subcommittee, I would go down to Fort Belvoir because all the services were standing up. Information dominance centers. The Air Force, the Navy and the army, the armies of the Fort Belvoir. I was impressed with what they were doing. They were using software like Starlight and Spires and others that no one else was using. John Hamrey was the Deputy Secretary of Defense. I suggested, John, you go down and see what your people are doing. He went down. They'll tell you he went down because of me. He looked at it and he called me, said Mr. Chairman you're absolutely right. We need this capability far beyond what the army is using it for. We need this capability. I proposed establishing a data fusion center that would not just be for the army or DoD, would be for the entire government. So John Hamre suggested to me, congressman, I will support and manage it either at the White House or at the Pentagon. But you've got to convince the FBI and the CIA to allow us to use their raw data. Because of the big behemoth there are 33 classified systems. So on November 4th of 1999, a date I'll never forget, I had John Hamrey in my office. I had the Deputy Director of the FBI, the Deputy Director of the CIA and I handed them a proposal to create the NOAA National Operations and Analysis Hub policymaker and war fighters tool to deal with emerging transnational terrorist threats. I didn't write that. Friends in intel wrote it for me. John Hamray said it's a great idea, we need it, I'll manage it. I said I'll get it funded. The FBI said it's great, we'll support it. And the CIA said we don't want it. We're doing something called CIA 21. The big question for 911 is why did the CIA not want to be a part of a fusion center that the Defense Deputy Secretary of Defense wanted? I was going to find FBI was supporting two years before 9 11. The biggest criticism after 911 was the lack of fusion of intelligence data. That's what they were doing. And that recommendation was two years prior. And that recommendation was based on what these folks were doing. Eric, Tony, Eileen Pricer, Scott Philpott and all the others, J.D. smith that were a part of the Able Danger team. That's the big story.

[Cash Patel]

And he didn't know about us.

[Kurt Weldon]

I didn't know the details until 9 11. They brought the charts in right. And I took them right to the White House.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You don't know about Able Danger?

[Kurt Weldon]

I didn't know that. I didn't get right into the program. I didn't need to. I knew they were using software we to do, you know so you got.

[Patrick Bet-David]

When's the first time you guys met?

[Cash Patel]

When I. Oh so I was, I knew they were.

[Kurt Weldon]

I was down there several times.

[Cash Patel]

Well you didn't. Well let me explain. So we were under socom. We were using the army and Eric can explain. The army wanted to pull out by the way army did not like the fact we were using their Technology for our operations. So why wouldn't they? Because. Well I. You want to explain that part of.

[Tony Schaefer]

It is when you're doing data mining you're harvesting everything. Intelligence collectors are very restricted on what we can collect it when the US persons comes up. But when a tool does it, it gets everything. And so you have to be able to go through that and excise all the information about US persons. This is a throwback from Vietnam days and pike and Church Committee 75 that kind of stuff. So they wrote these regulations for intel collection but they never updated them. Well again, because we were the first data the mining operation.

[Cash Patel]

We weren't intelligence. I know this is going to sound weird. We were doing our effort under Title 10. Title 10 is known as traditional military activity. That's why I went to Curt as harmed services, not intelligence to ask for money for the Navy.

[Kurt Weldon]

Well, you didn't come to me.

[Cash Patel]

Yes I did.

[Kurt Weldon]

I was funding it through.

[Cash Patel]

No, no, no.

[Kurt Weldon]

Later, later, later, later, later.

[Cash Patel]

I mean, so.

[Kurt Weldon]

So I plused up their fund wherever they wanted, so. But I didn't need to get read in. It wasn't until 911 I get these frantic phone calls on my cell phone from him from Eileen Pricer, from Scott Philpott, we have to meet you right away. But I meet with them on 911 and they roll out the charts. That's the first time I knew that they had identified all the Al Qaeda cells in advance of 9 11.

[Cash Patel]

Right, right.

[Kurt Weldon]

That's when I found out. I took it right down to the White House to Steve Hadley. I called Rice's deputy. I said, I've got to see you right away. I said. He said, we're under attack. I said, I have to see you. I took Dan Burton with me. Dean Burton was chairman of the Oversight Committee. And I took Chris Shays. I rolled out the charts and Steve Hadley, deputy National Security Advisor, said to me, where did you get these from? I said, steve, I've been telling you since you came into office in January that this team was the cutting edge. The Clinton administration ignored it. You didn't take any action on it. And this is what developed by them. And he said to me, I've got to show this to the man. I said, the man?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who was the man at the time?

[Kurt Weldon]

The President George Bush. He said, I've got to show it to them. They took the charts. And in subsequent questions of Steve Hadley, he's acknowledged that I gave him charts. But he says, I can't remember what those charts were. When I met with Seymour Hersh Seymour Hersh told me those charts are still on the hard drive at the nsa. That was five years ago. Hi, I'm Kurt Weldon. Teacher, firefighter, father of five, family man who spent 20 years in the Congress after serving as mayor and county chairman of my county in suburban Philadelphia. My intent is to give experiences and information, knowledge about the 104 countries that I led delegations to during my 20 years in the Congress and all of the work that I did on behalf of America's firefighters and first responders traveling around the country. You'd like to connect with me, connect on minec, and I will get back to you.

[Cash Patel]

So my point I'm trying to make, to underscore what Kurt is saying, we were an operational unit that was designed to go do something. We weren't an intelligence unit, although we were intelligence officers. We were doing operations. It's called J3 versus J2. And that was one of the controversial points because we didn't recognize the limits on US Citizens because we didn't have to. Traditional military activities. Title 10 is what George Washington did during the Continental War. The Continental army, what they did. And so that was one of the controversial points. But the bottom line is Curt funded the advanced technology that we SOCOM figured out how to get and use that technology then used by Eric, put together the series of charts which. Which then became the basis for the plans we were using.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Are those the charts?

[Cash Patel]

Those are some of the charts, yes.

[Kurt Weldon]

Those are the two primary charts.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They're in there.

[Kurt Weldon]

They're the charts that I was given by them. The original charts went to Bush in the White House.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So what conclusion did you guys come up with? Because we still haven't talked about it. Right. What conclusion did you come up with of what happened?

[Kurt Weldon]

Here's the best example. Read this book. This is not them. Forget them. This is. This is the book about one of our top military generals who was on horseback. He had like 9,000 soldiers under his command. And this book. Keith Leiber. I never met General Lambert. I don't. But I maybe admitted him. This book was a New York Times bestseller and a movie. On page 27, he's asked, what were your thoughts when 911 happened? And General Lambert says in his own words, you can read it within seconds. I knew who had done the attack. I knew it involved Muhammad Atta. Because I have been briefed on a top secret army intelligence program that's able danger. None of that's in the 911 Commission Report. And that proves that what they were doing identified Muhammad Atta. It Basically calls everyone else a liar. Because General Lambert says it in his book that he knew within seconds Muhammad Atta was involved in 9 11. Louis Freeh said afterwards that if he'd had the information, we could have prevented 911 from happening.

[Cash Patel]

By the way, he was one of the individuals that the IG, the DoD IG, refused to interview. Why? You're. You're. You're a guy that has to make investments. If you have someone who's a principal actor in a company who has a major role, wouldn't you go and interview them before anything else to figure out what's going on? He was. Lambert was the chief of operations, and they refused. They DOD IG during the time that he asked them to investigate our claims. They refuse to talk to Lambert. The whole thing's a cover to this day.

[Tony Schaefer]

So. So on the evening of 9 11, we were all on the phone with each other because we knew it was coming. We had deep conversations the entire time we were running this operation that we knew something was coming. So 911 happens. We're all talking to each other and the watch phrase was. So it begins. We knew this was coming out. And that was, you know, you knew this was coming. We knew it was coming.

[Cash Patel]

We were trying to.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You knew 911 was going to.

[Tony Schaefer]

We knew something. We knew something was coming. They were coming offensively, and they. They'd already established a deep footprint.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What were some of the things that you guys were speculating that could take place? Well, was it 911? You weren't. You. You wouldn't sit there and say, guys, someone's about to attack World Trade Center. Was that it or was it? No, someone's going to attack White House, Pentagon. Did you guys have the 5, 10 targets that you thought they're going to attack?

[Cash Patel]

We knew where the cells were at.

[Tony Schaefer]

Right.

[Cash Patel]

We knew where they physically were hanging out.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And where were those.

[Cash Patel]

Different clusters? One was New York, one was Maryland, and the other one was Florida, as I recall. And they were all clustered. We had individuals linked to the Al Qaeda leadership.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Those are the top three.

[Cash Patel]

New Jersey, New Jersey.

[Patrick Bet-David]

New Jersey, New York, New Jersey, dc, Florida, Florida.

[Kurt Weldon]

Let me add one more thing, Pat. One of the top FBI international leaders confirmed to me in writing that two of the terrorists in the 911 attack were on the payroll of the CIA at the time. Yeah, I'll repeat that again. Two of the terrorists on 911 were on the CIA payroll at the time. And after 9 11, there were between 40 and 50 employees that were reprimanded. Why has none of that been told to the American people? Why was none of that investigated by the 911 Commission? Why is this cover up occurring when all of these, the biggest loss of life in American history on our soil and it's like we're a bunch of fifth graders. It's outrageous.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Has it been documented that they were on payroll? Like, because I know the Internet is going to say no. There's no evidence that the claim that the terrorists were on CIA, while it's true that CIA had information on two of the hijackers, Nafal Al Hazmi and Khalid Al Mihdhar before the attacks and there have been criticism of how they say I handle information but there's no indication that they were implemented.

[Kurt Weldon]

And just tell that on the record without some congressional investigation. I mean, cut me.

[Cash Patel]

There's a. Well, there's an. Let me add something to the picture that we can't, I can't talk about in detail yet. I'm trying to. There's three things I'm trying to get declassified by the Pentagon right now. My specific role enable danger relating to what we're talking about. I still can't talk about it, believe it or not. The other thing is there's an investigative organization that's run by DOD that has found the link you're talking about here to the CIA guys. And they're, I'll let them speak for themselves but they're working right now to get approval to come public on what they have. And I've talked to their senior investigator and he has said they have confirmed the link between Al Mihdad has, whatever his name. I'm terrible with names. To the CIA.

[Kurt Weldon]

The only solution is a new, not a new, a presidential commission to investigate everything about 911 and on that commission, no politicians, no members of Congress. It's got to be people with integrity who are willing to take it to wherever it goes because we're only scratching the surface.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So let me tell you what I did because again, I want to know when you think about stories like this, you go, and the stuff that we know, what do we know? We hear the story about Larry Silverstein, right? We've all heard the story about the fact that he buys a massive insurance policy that in case two planes are, you know, attack the plane, he gets two times the amount of whatever it is and he gets three and a half billion dollars. And the day that he always has breakfast on the World Trade center, he doesn't end up having breakfast that day. And how much money paid out to Him. When you pull up the number, it's public info.

[Kurt Weldon]

You can pull up five billion.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think I saw three and a half. 4.5 billion. So Larry said, from the leased World Trade center just six weeks before now, we received a 4.55 billion auto insurance payout following the destruction of the World.

[Kurt Weldon]

Trade center and added a cause for terrorism in the insurance policy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, insurance dispute 911 service argued that the two planes impact constituted two separate terrorist attacks. Thus seek seeking doubling the policy limits. COURTROOM the battle, the legal battle over whether the tax counted on one or two occurrences lasted years. In 2004, a jury ruled that some insurers had to pay double while others just paid one final payout. $4.55 billion. Yeah, that we know.

[Cash Patel]

Huge money.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's strange.

[Kurt Weldon]

Okay, that doesn't include building. Building seven either.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That doesn't include Building seven. The other thing that's strange is you talk about George Bush, you know, Epstein, when they go to his house, there's two paintings that they see there, right? The painting is the one with Bill Clinton and that blue dress, which is Monica Lewinsky's dress, saying I got you or something like that. Then the other painting they see is Rob. If he can go to the other one, which is kind of weird, is this one with President Bush right there. He's playing Jenga and they're down and he's holding one plane and the other one is already down. That's a weird painting. Who would have a painting like that in their house? That's a very strange painting, right?

[Cash Patel]

I think it's a clue. I think it's a clue.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What is what?

[Cash Patel]

These people don't do this stuff without a reason.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Think about, is it the clue or is it to say that I own the two of you? Is it Epstein's way of saying I own two of you or is it just a clue? Because both.

[Cash Patel]

It could be both.

[Patrick Bet-David]

If I'm a. If I'm not a friend of Epstein, I'm like, what are you doing putting a painting like that on the wall? When people, people to come into your house, they're seeing a painting like that, it could be.

[Cash Patel]

It's not mutually exclusive. It could be both. It could be true.

[Kurt Weldon]

I don't think we should speculate about paintings. I think we should focus on facts to get us a new commission. But all I'm saying, that's why people will say that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But, but the part. But to the average person, this is either a very dark painting, which it is. This is either you have two presidents. Who had the two biggest controversies during that time? Monica Lewinsky, 911 and you have a painting on the wall and you're Epstein and the claims about bribery and how much stuff you had on people. It's kind of weird. Let me continue a couple.

[Cash Patel]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So I went on ChatGPT and I asked the question. So tell me the strange facts in the 911 Commission that we all know about. Strange facts that they had in this big ass 911 commission that they had. I give you the 15 million versus 30 million. 15 million they spent on 911 even though 2,977 people died and ended up costing us $8 trillion. Monica Lewinsky, $30 million.

[Kurt Weldon]

Well, they don't mention the Gilmore Commission at all. Do you know what the Gilmore Commission is?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Tell me about it.

[Kurt Weldon]

After 93 attack and I was up at the Trade center and I got a call from Mario Cuomo thanking me for my work. I wrote the legislation creating the Gilmore Commission. Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore chaired the Gilmore Commission. Jim's a man of integrity. Ray Downey was on the commission. The gilmore Commission wrote five reports. Five reports before 9 11. Those reports were the bulk of the recommendations made by the 911 Commission after the fact. The Gilmore. The 911 Commission doesn't even talk about the Gilmore Commission. That was before 9 11.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This is the one that was presented to Clinton, Bush and Bolton. Rob, can you pull up that one story?

[Kurt Weldon]

I wrote the legislation. I wrote it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Do you know the article from ABC News that we have?

[Cash Patel]

Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Have you guys seen this one here? Which is kind of a like if you wanted to create an instance to go to war, they wrote the playbook of what to do to go to war. Because the other argument is what? $8 trillion. 2.3 at Afghanistan, 2.3 in Iraq. And don't forget when. Who was it that told us they're missing $2.3 trillion in Pentecost money?

[Cash Patel]

Don Rumsell said that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So it's so funny that 2.3 is Iraq, 2.3 is Afghanistan. And he says 2.3 trillion is missing. Those, you know, the, you know, those three numbers shouldn't be matching that correctly. This is it, Rob.

[Tony Schaefer]

This is Donald Rumsfeld talking about the.

[Kurt Weldon]

Missing 2.3 trillion the day before 9.

[Cash Patel]

11, September 10th failed to adapt.

[Kurt Weldon]

And the fact that they can fail.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And die is what provides the incentive to survive.

[Kurt Weldon]

But governments can't die.

[Cash Patel]

So we need to find other incentives for bureaucracy to adapt and improve.

[Patrick Bet-David]

The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector.

[Cash Patel]

But not ours.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Not fully. Not Yet Rob, can you go straight to the two point? We are as they say.

[Cash Patel]

From floor.

[Patrick Bet-David]

To floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of $3 trillion. A little bit back estimates we cannot.

[Kurt Weldon]

Track $2.3 trillion in transactions.

[Patrick Bet-David]

How weird to say that, right? We cannot choose Gilmore. The Gilmore Commission. Rob, that ABC story, do you have that?

[Cash Patel]

Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So this is a. Were 1998 memos a blueprint for a war? This is ABC News. I don't know if you've seen this or not. This is an article written in 03 and March 10. Years before George W. Bush entered the White House and years before September 11th attack set the direction of his presidency, a group of influential neoconservatives hatched a plan to get Saddam Hussein out of power. The group's project of the new American Century or PNAC was founded in 97. Among its supporters were three Republican officials who were sitting in out sitting out with President Bill Clinton, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfitz. In an open letter to Clinton the GOP congressional letter the next year the group called for the removal of Saddam Hussein regime from power and a shift towards a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle east including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam. And in report just before 20 election that would bring Bush to power. The group predicted that the shift would come about slowly unless there were some catastrophic and catalyzing event like Pearl Harbor. Like a new Pearl Harbor. This is ABC News. Go a little bit lower, Rob. This, that event on 9 11. By that time Cheney was Vice President, Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense and Wolfitz was the deputy of Pentagon. The next morning, before it was clear who was behind the attacks, Rumsfeld insisted that a cabinet meeting with Saddam Iraq's should be a principal target of the first round of terrorism. According to Bob Woodward's books that are. You know the rest.

[Cash Patel]

So let me add something to that comment.

[Kurt Weldon]

But that wasn't a Gilmore Commission.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Those are two separate things.

[Kurt Weldon]

So nothing to do with each other.

[Cash Patel]

But January of 2001 the options for us to go after Al Qaeda is briefed to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Hugh Shelton. That is to say every. All the culmination of our work is briefed to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. We are directed to stand down in January. Right? Right. As Bush the Bush team comes in. When Bush comes in, the Able Danger project is stood down.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Right. When Bush comes in, the Able Danger project is put down.

[Cash Patel]

That's right.

[Kurt Weldon]

I have to.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Now you're Saying something that he's going to dispute.

[Kurt Weldon]

I'm going to say there's data, and Eric, I think will confirm this. The data removal in Garland that you talked about earlier was, I think, partly caused by the fact that when John Hamrey went down at my request, to get a view of what they were doing, John Hamre tasked them to run a special profile of Chinese acquisition of our technology. Am I right or wrong, Eric?

[Tony Schaefer]

Yes. That was before, before Able Danger.

[Kurt Weldon]

So they did a run off the record for the Deputy Director of Defense. And that information, now listen carefully. Came up with the names of Condoleezza Rice and several other prominent American leaders. Am I right or wrong?

[Tony Schaefer]

Yes.

[Kurt Weldon]

When that came up, Washington's Beltway shook because here was the Able Danger team coming up with data in their data mining system regarding China that American officials had helped steer the Chinese to acquire our technology. Dan Burton, the chairman of the Oversight Committee, issued subpoenas. That's when they told Eric to destroy all the data. Am I right, Eric?

[Tony Schaefer]

No, that was a different effort. He had subpoenaed it, so we had to make copies of it and send it to Capitol Hill.

[Kurt Weldon]

But the rest of it you destroyed.

[Tony Schaefer]

Yeah. Then in November is when the Able Danger started. It was in March, spring, the next year that we were given the cease and desist. And while that was going on, when you collect information about US persons, even if it's incidental, which is the tools, you know, you don't, you know, you can't read two and a half terabytes with data with the human eye in that time. So 90 days hits, we're required to delete all that. And since we were given a cease and desist order, the clock's still ticking. The 90 days hit. I had a lawyer come down from my command, says, here's your day. Delete the data or go to jail. And I had to sit with one of my warrant officers. We had a deep moral discussion on should we hide some of it? Should we just put some on a removable hard drive and hide it in a file cabinet? And we ended up deleting all of it. That's about the worst day you could ever spend in the military knowing now in hindsight, that you're now the guy that could have prevented 9 11.

[Kurt Weldon]

But there was also some sensitive data and names that came up in the work that you've done before.

[Tony Schaefer]

Right? Right. And so here's John Emery. So here's the issue, and this is. I'll give you an example for what we did when, when the The FBI came down. We're talking to him about Able Dangers. We gave them a car dealership in Morocco that was used as a front organization. As we gave them. Here's a car dealership was.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who was them?

[Tony Schaefer]

The FBI. We had some FBI agents that showed up.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They said, we want to dealership in Morocco.

[Tony Schaefer]

Right. So it was just, you know, the front was the business, but in the back, we. We were. We knew the people. People that we're associated with were funneling information in. The first question the Bureau asked is. Or the agents there is like, well, where'd you find this? And what we showed them was, well, here's the hit that we got on unclassified information. And it was this really wild Michigan militia conspiracy theorist website that said, you know, the FBI is trying to arm the KGB in Northern Michigan to take over Upper Peninsula. Chelsea Clinton's real father is Webster Hubble. And then there's this car dealership used as a front organization. And so, you know, this is what I mean by raw. It was all in the same who.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Chelsea Clinton's real father comes out.

[Tony Schaefer]

Yes.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This story we've all read about the.

[Tony Schaefer]

Webpage that the tool hit had this on the page. And so we're showing this to the Bureau. And this is all. This is what I mean, the difference between raw intelligence versus what comes out of an agency which has to be peer reviewed and edited and screened and then produced into a very slick product. We were feeding raw information out to, you know, Congressman Weldon out to paycom, out to office.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who filters it out to get credibility?

[Tony Schaefer]

What's that?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who filters out the raw open source to get credibility?

[Tony Schaefer]

Well, I had my own. I mean, I had a small shop at 24 analysts. So we were doing it on a very small level. But it wasn't the, you know, the size of, you know, we're not the 40,000 people that work at NSA or whatever. So we got 24 people working in the second floor basement of this organization. So the Bureau looks at this and says, you guys are a bunch of cracks. Even though we were able to show additional information that corroborated it and show them right there, it didn't matter. It was the fact that we, you know, you just squandered your credibility because what you saw as the tip off.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I got, it came out. So. So did you end up finding out if Hubble is the real father?

[Tony Schaefer]

You know what? Yeah, I don't even. We don't touch. We didn't even touch that stuff. That was. And again, that's the problem is when you go after stuff after the Patriot.

[Kurt Weldon]

Act, everything's on the table now.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So, so, so, so, but, but going back to it again. So here's what I just did. I went online and I said, what was Dick Cheney's net worth before 9 11? Okay. $19 million. What was Rumsfeld net worth before 9 11? $50 million. I don't know what it is today, but when you think about the financial motivation, Dick Cheney, Halliburton ties. He was a CEO of it from 1995 to 2000 on the ton of shares. Had a lot of shares in a blind trust that he couldn't sell while he was serving, but he did sell it afterwards. How much money was made? I'm sure a lot. Yeah, Millions. Right. And then when you go look at Donald Rumsfeld ties, you see the ties that he has served on boards of major companies. Abb, a defense contractor, Guild scientists, a pharmaceutical company with government ties and a RAND corporation, which is a defense think tank. Right. And you see how that money is made.

[Kurt Weldon]

Because you want a Cheney story, go for it. I took the first delegation bipartisan to Libya in 25 years to support George Bush when he said that Gaddafi wanted to give up his weapons. I took three Democrats and two other Republicans and the state. The White House tried to stop me. I was going to visit the troops in Iraq, but we got a plane and we went to Tripoli for two days. Our meeting with Gaddafi was always at the end. I met with him three times. But on that first trip they took us out to this man made reservoir where Gaddafi had built this water system of pure water for the people in the desert. That's me. I was printing an American flag on him after I gave the speech to the entire country. Joe Biden came with me on that trip. He was with me. With me wasn't his trip, was my trip. So they showed us this man made water system. And I said how did. The pipe was like 14ft high. I said how did you build that pipe? You've been on sanctions for 25 years. Oh Congressman, we didn't build that pipe. Well who did you buy it from? You've been under sanctions by the US and European for at least the last two decades. Did you buy it from Russia? No. Did you buy it from China? No. Well who'd you buy it from? We bought it from a company called Halliburton. You understand what I'm saying? They bought it from Halliburton while they were under sanctions by the US and while Dick Cheney was A leader of Halliburton. I served with Dick Cheney in the House.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What was he like?

[Kurt Weldon]

Well, all I'm telling you is I'm disgusted with what I found out about Dick Cheney by now. And for him to come out and say anything about Donald Trump is an absolute disgusting joke. Look at all the money he has. And his daughter ought to go out and talk about that. Just like he canceled the V22 for the Marine Corps. I led the fight to save that platform, which is why I was so close, because Al Gray came to me, the commandant of the marine Corps, and General Jim Jones had me flying the first V22 with him when we delivered to the Pentagon because I was the leader to save it, along with Carl Levin from Illinois, a Democrat. These people that make money behind the scenes, off of decisions that kill U.S. troops and kill U.S. firefighters are disgusting. And somebody's got to stand up and say, enough's enough. Let's take back control of our country. And again, I'm not saying a blanket thing about all intel. I'm saying it about the people who are out for themselves.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What do you think happened on 9 11?

[Kurt Weldon]

What do I. What I know happened on 911 once we could have prevented it. And number two, what happened? I work very closely with the architects and engineers. You've had them all.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yes.

[Kurt Weldon]

I work closely with the families of 9 11. I work closely with the firefighters. The most poignant story, you ought to show it on a tape, is when Deputy Chief Oriole Palmer, one of the most decorated firefighters in the city, takes his unit to the first building he climbs. He gets in an elevator. He's got all his equipment on 40 pounds of gear with his team. They go up 40 floors in an elevator while the planes have already hit. He gets off the elevator and you hear him say in the microphone, we're on the 40th floor. Everything's okay. We're going to walk up. He gets on the 50th floor, it's okay, we're going up higher. He gets on the 60th floor, it's okay, we're going up. He Oreo Palmer, battalion chief, reaches the 78th floor, the floor of impact, comes out of the stairwell, and you hear him say, as clear as day, we're here. The floor of impact. We've got two fires and we can handle them. And the building collapses in within one minute.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Get out of here.

[Kurt Weldon]

No, that's true. Every American needs to listen to Oreo Palmer.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is that the video?

[Kurt Weldon]

The video is on Bravo 7.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Can you play that Rob. Yeah.

[Kurt Weldon]

Listen to his voice. 79.

[Patrick Bet-David]

We have access stairs going up to 79. All right, I'm on my way up. Orioles 1503 to 1503. Battalion 7, Operation Tower 1.

[Cash Patel]

In the elevator shaft.

[Kurt Weldon]

You're gonna have to get a different elevator. We tap into the wall and get out. Think about it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Holy. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Kurt Weldon]

The World street center just fell. The firefighters in New York deserve better than this, Patrick.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, I mean, there's no question about that. So you were saying that. But again, question. Why did 911 happen?

[Kurt Weldon]

I don't want to speculate. I think it'll become. It already is the biggest nightmare in the history of the country.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Can you at least do the following? Can we? At least for the viewer, Tony. Whichever one of you guys is comfortable doing this, I'd want to look at it like this. When a crisis happens, we sit there and we say, it's either this, it's either this, it's either this, it's either that, or it's either this. And we tie percentages to it. I think there's a 40% chance it was this. I think there's a 3% chance it was this. I Think there's a 13% chance it was this. What are five things, Tony? You think it could have been the reason for 9, 11?

[Cash Patel]

Let me ask you a question before I give you the five things. Why would you stand down a cutting edge black special operations unit In January of 2001, right before you know there are threats from that very target located within the United States? Why would you do that?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who. Who is you?

[Cash Patel]

The inbound Bush administration. Bush 43. Why would the Bush administration in January of 2001, as they're coming into office, stop. Because there's evidence. Because of the. Basically what. I'll answer your question, but I want to make sure you get. We get this into the conversation. When what's his name went to the National Archives and took stuff out in his socks.

[Kurt Weldon]

Sandy Burger.

[Cash Patel]

When Sandy Berger. When Sandy Berger went into the National Archives, he stole a bunch of things, put it in his underwear and his socks.

[Kurt Weldon]

He stole five documents.

[Cash Patel]

He stole five documents. One of those documents was regarding the existence of Able Danger.

[Kurt Weldon]

I can't prove that. I don't think any.

[Cash Patel]

I have. We have. I think we have a sweet.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Was President Clinton's topic going to pleads guilty Friday to taking classified documents from the National Archives and cutting them up with scissors.

[Kurt Weldon]

He stuffed them in his underwear and socks. He. He stole five documents. He got outside the inspector general for the archives called him and he lied. That's a felony. He committed 11 felonies. One of Clinton's lawyers cut a deal. The deal was he pled guilty to 11 felonies. I'm the only person that got into the archives after that. In August of 06, before they took me out, I said, I want to see what we think Berger stole. Part of it was the Millennium After Action report by John Ashcroft, which you can get. We don't know exactly what Berger stole, but. But he didn't want the 911 Commission to be able to include what he had. It may have been able danger we don't know. But the fact is, and I said this on the House floor, Sandy Berger was a traitor. If you stole one archive, you'd be in jail. You know what his sentence was? 11 felonies. And he gets one misdemeanor. No jail time. One misdemeanor. And it was pre 911 intelligence. That's what Tony's referring to.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It says it right here. The five documents, one of them the Millennium After Action review. The second one is analyzed how the US handled the Foil terrorist plots around the 2000, including threats linked to Al Qaeda. Then review contained assessment of the US vulnerabilities, intelligence coordination failures and recommendations for preventing terrorist attacks. Berger took five copies of the same document, not five documents, reportedly destroying three of them. He claimed he removed them to Prepare testimony before 911 Commission, not to conceal wrongdoing. The original of the documents remain in the archives. Only annotated or draft copies were taken.

[Cash Patel]

I don't believe that.

[Kurt Weldon]

That's not true. I was there. I went to the archives and the CIA told my staff, tell your boss not to be very careful what he's looking at. And I told him, the CIA doesn't control what I look at. I'm a member of Congress.

[Cash Patel]

Again, why would not. Why would you not want to have a full investigation of this? Just saying.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I would want to, but when you said in January, if you knew the special Ops, why would you put a stop to it?

[Cash Patel]

Right?

[Patrick Bet-David]

So. So Bush gets elected January 20, 2001. So the way I would process that, if you're saying in January, that means it's on the last 11 days of January. Is that fair? Because he's not president yet.

[Cash Patel]

Right?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Then he's not making a decision. Somebody else is making a decision for him. Because what he's doing is. He's. It's his first term. He's probably asking, what do you guys think? What do you think what do you think? I think he. We should do this. You're a rookie that just got it.

[Cash Patel]

I'm not saying so.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I don't think he made the decision.

[Cash Patel]

I'm saying, though, that when you're briefed on a capability that clearly. Condoleezza Rice. Another said, oh, we. We knew something was coming a little bit. You know, they were. They were all these memos, and that's the mystery. We've asked to be told, too, because we were stood down. We were trying to say, as Kurt indicated, something's happening. We need to be on top of this. Captain Scott Philpott was calling me constantly to go around his chain so we could reactivate this. He was actually. I had a clandestine location in Old Town Alexandria. He actually called me one time and says, can we use your clandestine location to springboard and get this going again? It's like, yeah, if you. If you can do it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So why did they.

[Cash Patel]

We don't know.

[Kurt Weldon]

I want to give you one more stop, one more kudo for this team.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I still don't have the. I want to know.

[Kurt Weldon]

And Eric. Eric, Will and Tony will both verify this. And Scott Philpott came to my office on 9 11. He got very emotional. This is an academy graduate in Naval Academy. And he said, congressman, this is not the effing America I swore to uphold and defend. He was very emotional. He said, we also could have prevented the attack on the USS Cole. You want to talk about that, Eric?

[Tony Schaefer]

The second time I had to. We went up to testify was in February of 2006. And we had, you know, after everything's done, you know, you got reporters floating around the room and everything. And I had one guy come up to me, and he was asking me some very personal questions. What are you doing now? What are you doing for work? That kind of thing. Followed me out into the hallway. And I said, you know what? I'm sorry. I'm not going to answer any more of your questions. I don't know who you are. He goes, oh, I'm sorry. I'm Kirk Lipphold. I'm the commander of the USS Cole. And I mean, Kirk and I are friends now, but that's the moment.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Kirk Lepold.

[Tony Schaefer]

That's the moment that again, it hits you that, again, I feel responsible for the loss of your sailors.

[Kurt Weldon]

18, you know, 18 sailors.

[Tony Schaefer]

I have the response. I get to carry the responsibilities for the loss of 3,000 people on 9 11, the 20th end. I really wish he hadn't played that video just a few minutes ago, because on the 20th anniversary, my wife found me totally broken down in our kitchen. And it's, it's. I get to. I get to carry that PTSD the rest of my life. And I didn't think I had it. And it got worse and worse, and it gets worse and worse every year.

[Kurt Weldon]

And I feel the same way about the Downey family. These things have got to stop. This is no longer America. When this happens. And Donald Trump can do it by putting in place a commission of independent people to do what he says he's going to do. And I support that, and I support him. Name an independent commission, put you on the commission. You have integrity.

[Cash Patel]

I've got the five things for you. I think there's five likely events. We'll go through them one by one. First is government incompetence. They were completely just. Nobody knew what the hell they were doing. Keystone cops all the way. And the 911 report is correct. That's. That's one presumption. It's like. Yeah, it's exactly like they said it. John Layman wrote the narrative. Everything is accurate.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I would say, no matter what one is. Right. I said, no matter what one is.

[Cash Patel]

One, competence is, I think, a factor. No doubt.

[Patrick Bet-David]

My opinion. You're not saying this. I'm saying this. What I'm saying is no matter whatever the five you propose, my opinion number one is absolutely right. What's two?

[Cash Patel]

Okay, a controlled operation that went wrong. There is allegations we've talked about in the day that at least two of the individuals were under control of CIA, that the FBI was also involved in some level because a guy named Anwar Alalaki, my friend Catherine Heritage is reporting on him. Anwar Lalaki was a controlled asset of the FBI who actually moved to the two of the 911 hijackers around, who later was assassinated as US citizen by Barack Obama in Yemen. He and his son, Anwar Al Awlaki. There he is.

[Tony Schaefer]

He.

[Cash Patel]

He was. I would argue, I don't want to get off track here, but Anwar Lalaki actually lectured at the Pentagon in 2004 because he was brought in for. But he was actually handling two of the nine, 11 individuals. He actually gave him a tour. He was out of there. So based on that, there could have been an aspect of the US Government controlling individuals and them getting out of control. There's a movie called the Siege, which kind of covers this, if you remember that, with Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington. I was once told by a Pentagon official, by the way, in a random moment, that, oh, that would never happen, which was A strange moment to look back on at this point.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, so one, government incompetency. Two is controlled operation that went wrong.

[Cash Patel]

Three is basically that's omission by omission. They just didn't, they didn't control it. Commission. I think more severe would be then the government kind of knew this was going to happen. They allowed these people to go into place. They didn't adequately provide full time surveillance and they basically allowed the 911 attack to happen with the theory that they were going to try to stop it to the last second. And they were, they were, they were.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Why would they allow it to happen?

[Cash Patel]

I'll be blunt. I think we've talked about the profit motives of a number of individuals. I don't believe for a minute the Deep State is a single entity. I think it's a, I think George Carlin once said, you don't have to be organized if you have people that feel the same way about that things and if you had a sufficient critical mass of individuals, neocons. I, I am not a neocon for the record. I'm a Reagan guy and I fought most of my life against neocons. I think the neocons, both parties, by the way, this would explain the Clinton Bush connection, would allow essentially some level of event to happen. Per. You mentioned it earlier, Pat, about the, the road map. You brought up the article about the roadmap that would be the road map that they kind of let this happen. And then the last option, the fifth option is full blown. The government was behind it and planned it. Those are the five options as I see them.

[Kurt Weldon]

Or another government cooperated with our government.

[Cash Patel]

Well, I think another government cooperated in most of these.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Just saying what other government would benefit?

[Cash Patel]

Saudi Arabia.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Saudi Arabia, Yeah, I saw the, the one thing with Saudi Arabia, I don't.

[Kurt Weldon]

Think we should limit it to any one country.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who else would you add to the list?

[Kurt Weldon]

I wouldn't add any other country because I, I don't have the facts. But I mean any person with a brain could figure out there'd be other countries that would have a motive to want to see this occur. Possibly China, I don't want to speculate on.

[Cash Patel]

I don't think they were developed sufficiently to see us as an adversary in a focused way. In the late 90s, when I, when.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I, when you say Saudi Arabia. Report included references to individuals with connections to Saudi government who allegedly had contact with the hijackers. However, deeper investigation to Saudi involvement was left out. Later addressed in the 28 pages, declassified in 2016 which raised further questions about possible support networks.

[Cash Patel]

Two things on that and my dear friend, late Congressman Walter Jones got that declassified. Walter passed a while back. There was a finding that we haven't talked about in parallel to what we're doing talking about here, Pat, was a finding Alex Station CIA had a finding to assassinate bin Laden. We weren't part of that by the way. We were completely independent. As a matter of fact, when I was first read into the Special Operations Command concept, I was asked to go brief the CIA represented the Special Operations Command, a guy named Dave Rolfe. Dave Rolfe. I read him into the project and he confirmed the existence of Alex Station and the finding. And the reason I briefed him into it CIA is because we didn't want to have them think that we were trying to go after bin Laden. So what was going on at the same time we were doing Able danger was the CIA finding Alex. Alex Station that's out there. There's a couple of books on it. What I'm saying is that they actually were targeting bin Laden directly. CIA was outside of what we were doing and within the context of what you just said, the Saudi Arabians were helping support bin Laden. As a matter of fact, one of the assassination attempts was stopped because one of the Saudi royal family was falcon hunting with bin Laden apparently in Afghanistan. And at the time that they were getting ready to use a an armed Predator to take him out, they recognized at the very last minute that one of the Saudi royal family members, the chief of the Saudi intelligence was with bin Laden. I think this was in 99.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So I just looked this up to see, to ask a question who else was other countries possibly. And this is not you saying to Kurt, this is Chad GPT saying this. So this is. We're not putting it on you. 15 out of the 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals. It's one thing that we know. 2 Pakistan Inner Services Intelligence was long suspected of having murky ties to Islamist groups including those in Afghanistan. Osama B was found in Abu tabad, Pakistan in 2011, just a mile from a major military academy. Okay, UAE. Two of the hijackers were from UAE and the other country was used as financial hub for some of the funding and planning. Iran. No evidence of Iran involved in 911 but the 911 Commission acknowledged that some hijackers transitioned through Iran which I know you want to say something about that without having their passports stamped. This is where Gassam Soleimani was involved. Five Iraq, six Israel and you know, seven China. Those are the Countries that came up of possibilities of being here. And your facial reaction is very.

[Kurt Weldon]

I'll talk to you off camera.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, that sounds good to me. But tell me this with, you know, stories linked to Osama bin Laden. Okay. When the events takes place, I'm very skeptical about Osama bin Laden, period. I'm skeptical, skeptical about that. We really dropped the guy in the middle of the ocean. I'm like, I'm, I'm there on, on what happened. I don't even believe. Why would you drop. We've never dropped an ass in the middle of the ocean. All because it's a martyr. You don't want people to go celebration at his funeral plot and all this other stuff. I don't know. I mean the difference is Transformers drops Megatron in the middle of the ocean. Then a couple years later they drop Osama bin Laden in the middle of the ocean. I don't know if it was inspired by the movie or not. I don't want to speculate. Let my creativity go there. You guys don't have to go there. But bin Laden stories about where he goes, where he was at, who he met with. What things do we know about bin Laden?

[Kurt Weldon]

Well, I was very big supporter of when George Bush went up to the Trade Center. I was there at 911 and he put his hand up in the air. I was there with him with the firefighters. And he said, we're going to get you, we're going to come find you. I figured that it must have been bin Laden in Afghanistan. So I got all fired up and said, I'm with you Mr. President, all the way. I was concerned about our troops being harassed in Afghanistan the way the Russian troops were. I took two other members of Congress and went with Al Santoli, a decorated Vietnam veteran, New York Times bestseller with intelligence ties. We went to Rome and we met with King Zahir Shah in exile without the US Government approval. We went to his family's home and we convinced. I have the photos. King Zahir Shah to go back to Afghanistan and convene a loya jorga of all the tribes to accept the American troops when they came in so our troops would be protected. I took every step I could to protect the American troops. Then doing my job because I couldn't trust the intel being provided by the CIA. As the vice chairman of the Defense Committee and Homeland Security, they would spin the data. I would get better information from defense reporters like Bill Gertz than I would from the agency. So I had my own intel team. These are people that work for the agencies. There were about 15 of them that worked for the CIA, DIA, NSA, FBI. And I would meet with them for breakfast in the Capitol. They would feed me raw data and they fed me raw data. After 9 11, the Rusam bin Laden was seen in a town called Ladies. I had no idea where Ladies was, so I went up the street and bought a map at the bookstore. You have that map right here that I bought 25 years ago. 20, 25 years ago. And I looked on the map and I found Ledez 10 kilometers inside the border of Pakistan and Iran in an area called Baluchistan. I then went to a classified briefing for the full committee closed briefing. Now I'm the vice chairman of the committee. At the time, I was the acting chairman. The chairman wasn't there. And in front of 60 members, I said to the CIA, I have information that bin Laden's been cited in LADEEZ. What can you tell me? Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them. I was outraged. We're sending kids to Afghanistan to look for bin Laden and they can't deny that he's in a town called these. Three months later. My role. Intelligence people tell me that he's being treated at a military hospital in Tehran. I go back to the classified briefing in front of the whole committee and I ask the question. I get the same response. Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them. And I said, what the hell's going on here? We're now months into this whole operation. We're sending kids over to Afghanistan and you're telling me bin Laden may be in Baluchistan. Then I get the most respected Democrat in the House, Jack Merthyr, Chairman of the Senate of the House Appropriations Defense Committee, former Marine, very well respected member and a friend of mine. Murtha sends over Ron Klink. Now, Mertha's dead, but Ron Klink's alive. And he said, it says to me, to Ron, Ron has information from a knock. He used to work for the agency about Iran. And Jack says, go see Kurt. He investigates these things. Ron Klink came to my office and Ron Klink will verify this. He's a man of honor. He's alive. I said, ron, how can I help? He said, congressman, I have a. I have an acquaintance here. I need you to talk to him. Jack said, come to you. I said, okay. He brings this knock in. He said, congress, Weldon, I want you to help me go to Iran. I said, why do you want to go to Iran? He said, well, that's where I used to work for the agency. And he said, that's where bin Laden is. And there's a $25 million reward. You help me get to Tehran, I'll leave my credentials there in the hotel and I'll go down and bring you back dead or alive because there's $25 million reward. I said, I'm sorry, I'm in the middle of a battle with the agency right now. I can't do that. Now that's the third incident. Then I get a request from the Department of Interior. They want to bring in the head of the International Falconry Association. Now that's not unusual because I'm the Republican on the Migratory Bird Commission. The Migratory Bird Commission oversees all the wildlife refuges in North America. John Dingell was a Democrat. There were two senators and three cabinet members. So I figured he wants to talk about birds. Okay, I'll talk about birds. This fellow from Maine, Alan Perot, brings in two falcons. Million dollar birds on his shoulders. He's a Sikh, very wealthy family. He said, Mr. Chairman, thank you for greeting with me. I said, okay. I said, I've devoted my life to falcons. I worked with the UN on the international falcon treaties. And he said, I was in the base camps that trained the children of the royal families on the sport of falconry. I said, well, that's really interesting. I said, how can I help you with these birds? They're beautiful. He said, I want you to help me go to Iran. Now he knows nothing about what I've been given. I said, why do you want to go to Iran? He said, my falconers are seeing bin Laden's birds flying in Iran. They'll accept me there. You get me into Iran, I'll tag his birds and take you to exactly where he is. That's the fourth they take me out of office. I get a call from Michael Shawyer. Michael Sawyer said, congress at my home. Do you remember me? I said, yeah, Michael. He said, I worked for the CIA my whole career. I said, I remember. He said, my job was the director of the bin Laden task force, Alex Station. I said, well. He said, bin Laden task force. I said, what can I help you with? He said, I'm seeing information from the birdman that I was never shown when I was in charge of the bin Laden task force. I think he's right. We want to do a film. We want you to be a part of it. I said, not after what they did to my family. I'm not getting involved. Thank you. But No. I hang up the phone. Three months later, I get a call from General McInerney, a decorated American hero. And he calls me at my home and said, congressman Weldon, I'm working with Michael Scheuer and the Birdman, and we want you involved. I said, general, I'm not going to do it. In the end, I end up with 10 silver bullets, including two royal family members from two separate royal families. The bin Laden was placed in Iran after 9 11. US has plausible deniability because they arrange it through other countries. The alternate was a person who's worked for our government for 50 years. He's a knock. He's not from the U.S. i will reveal his information privately, but not publicly, and I'll take a polygraph. I met with him and he said through one of the people he handled when he was active, he said, you're right about many things, Mr. Chairman, I respect you. I said, well, thank you. He said, you're right about bin Laden. He was in Iran and he was placed there with US Knowledge and information without the knowledge of the US of the Iranian government. A few years ago, I think it was five years ago, we killed Soleimani. I don't even think Trump knows this. He took credit for killing Soleimani. He deserves credit because Soleimani was a criminal. I text my friend. Was that the man? He texts back within one minute, yes. The deal to place bin Laden in Iran was not cut with Ahmadinejad. It was not cut with the head of the Iranian government. It was cut with the head of the irg. And if you think back to when the Shah was in power, the Iranian intelligence was largely trained by U.S. intelligence. Those friendships never left. When the radical regimes took over in Iran, they didn't change their intelligence, and those friendships and relationships continued. The real investigation needs to be, what involvement did our intelligence have with Iranian intelligence and was that involved in placing bin Laden in Iran while we sent thousands of American kids to Afghanistan and 2,500 came back in body bags?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I mean, when you hear that story about Iran, we all heard what we heard Pakistan. We heard that he escaped and, you know, poor coordination among U. S and Afghan troops and, you know, all this other stuff. We hear that, but mainly we hear about the city. What is that city called? Abu Tabad, right? Yeah. Pakistan.

[Cash Patel]

Yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So no one talks about Iran. However, the part about Iran here, that's kind of strange. Osama bin Laden himself never confirmed to have been in Iran. However, some of his family members and senior Al Qaeda figures did reportedly seek shelter in Iran. Absolutely were after the US Invasion of Afghanistan. That includes bin Laden's son.

[Kurt Weldon]

That's right.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Saeed bin Laden and others who were later detained by Iranian authorities.

[Kurt Weldon]

And I asked an official.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But you're convinced he was there?

[Kurt Weldon]

1,000%. I'll take a polygraph. I told you I'll take a polygraph on what I know. I'll take a Polygraph. I have 10 silver bullet sources that bin Laden was placed. And when the Birdman was questioning the Iranian consulate office at the UN because there is no Iranian embassy here, they were saying, why do you keep coming to us saying that bin Laden's in our country? We would never harbor bin Laden. But they would go back and, you know, ask the questions in Tehran. Why does he keep saying this? Finally, Ahmadinejad came over to the UN to give a speech. And the Falcon, the Birdman from America, got George Stephanopoulos to ask the question. And I know George Stephanopoulos from when he worked on the House floor for Dick Ephard.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This the one you're.

[Kurt Weldon]

When I first went to Congress, George Stephanopoulos. So Stephanopoulos asked Ahmadinejad the question, kind of smirkingly, some of the wackos in this country are saying that you're harboring bin Laden. And obviously Ahmadinejad said, no way will we ever harbor bin Laden. He went back to Tehran. That's when they kicked him out of Iran over to Pakistan. Now, Ahmadinejad. I still have contacts to. Now, if necessary, I can bring Ahmadinejad on the show. He's afraid he'll be killed, but he'll verify what I just told you. That's what's wrong with our country. The Iranian people have never been our enemy. That's what my book was about. When I wrote the book in 2005, I said, Iran is not the enemy. You see the title of my book? I said, the CIA is the Problem. They're playing games. This book was endorsed by Jim Woolsey, three page letter. The former director of the CIA.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I had him on the podcast.

[Cash Patel]

He's a great guy.

[Kurt Weldon]

And the book was endorsed by Jack Caravelli, Al Gore CA Advisor one page letter. They endorsed the book. The Iranians published my book in Farsi on their own. It became a bestseller because it says the people of Iran and the US Are not enemies. The people in these countries are never our enemies. It's the games we play. Not the games, the games we allow people to play. They're out for power and money. We've got to stop that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Rob, can you play that? Clip with Ahmadinejad. So here's the clip that you're talking about. Go forward.

[Kurt Weldon]

One final question.

[Cash Patel]

There's a new documentary out that says that Osama bin Laden is living in Tehran.

[Kurt Weldon]

Is Osama bin Laden in Tehran?

[Cash Patel]

Your question is laughable.

[Kurt Weldon]

Why?

[Cash Patel]

The U.S. government has invaded Afghanistan in order to arrest bin Laden. They probably know where bin Laden is.

[Kurt Weldon]

If they don't know where bin Laden.

[Cash Patel]

Is, why did they invade?

[Kurt Weldon]

First they invaded, then they tried to.

[Cash Patel]

Find out where he is.

[Kurt Weldon]

Is that logical?

[Cash Patel]

Do you think this is logical? What I think is that you didn't answer my question.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is he into Iran or not?

[Kurt Weldon]

Our position is quite clear. Some journalists have said bin Laden is in Iran.

[Patrick Bet-David]

These words don't have legal value.

[Cash Patel]

Our position towards Afghanistan and against terrorism is quite clear. Is it true or not? Maybe you know, but I don't know.

[Kurt Weldon]

I'm asking you.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You're the President of Iran.

[Cash Patel]

I don't know such a thing. You are giving news, which is very strange. So let me ask it a different way. If you did know that Osama bin Laden was in Tehran, would you show him hospitality? Would you expel him? Would you arrest him? I heard that Osama bin Laden is in Washington, D.C. no, you didn't. Yes, I did. He's there because he was a previous.

[Kurt Weldon]

Partner of Mr. Bush.

[Tony Schaefer]

They were colleagues, in fact, in the.

[Kurt Weldon]

Old days, you know that they worked together.

[Cash Patel]

Mr. Bin Laden never cooperated with Iran.

[Kurt Weldon]

But He cooperated with Mr. Bush.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I'll ask one more time and then I'll let you go.

[Cash Patel]

If you knew that Osama bin Laden was in Tehran, which you say you don't, if you knew, would you expel him?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Would you arrest him? Would you show him hospitality?

[Kurt Weldon]

Our borders are closed to the illegal entry of anyone.

[Cash Patel]

Anyone, whoever that means, whether it's the three American mountaineers, Mr. Bin Laden or anyone else.

[Kurt Weldon]

The borders are closed.

[Cash Patel]

Our position is clear.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But you deny categorically that he's in Tehran today. He is not.

[Cash Patel]

Osama bin Laden is not in Tehran today.

[Kurt Weldon]

Rest assured, that's the first time anyone's. I've never talked to you about this in advance and you pulled that up right away. It's exactly what I said. And I know the people that got Stephanopoulos to ask that question. I would ask you one more thing to look at. Remember that airplane that somebody captured on the tarmac in Tehran that was unidentified, unloading pallets and pallets of American cash? Do you remember that story? And no one ever explained it. I wonder why that occurred. Remember the Pallets of cash and the estimates. We've got to stop allowing these games to be played. The people of Iran are not our enemy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

This plane to that plane.

[Kurt Weldon]

I can't tie that. All I can tell you is I'm aware of that. That's something I.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They're 15 years apart of the event and you talk about the $400 million cash.

[Kurt Weldon]

There was more than one flight of planes into Tehran. Let me.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash. On the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal. US officials confirmed Barack Obama approved the $400 million transfer which he announced in January as part of the Iranian nuclear deal. The money was flown to Iran in wooden pallets stacked with Swiss francs, Euros and other currencies as the first installment of the $1.7 billion settlement. Resolving claims at the international tribunal at the Hague over a filed failed arms deal under the time of the Shah. A fifth American was also released by Iran separately. What is your correlation between the two?

[Kurt Weldon]

The correlation that I can tell you is that the US Was aware of and helped facilitate the placement of Bin Laden in Iran. They retain plausible deniability. That's the fancy word they use. They maintain plausible deniability by using other countries. And I'll give you one more story about Iran. I did most of the work for the Congress with Russia. Steny Hoyer was my co chair and as you know, the big deal right now is the Iran nuclear program. Well, let me tell you what happened in the 90s that I will verify and give you again a polygraph on. I was very upset when we had evidence that the Russian Ministry of Atomic Energy was helping Iran with a Bushir reactor. And I went to the Ministry of Atomic Energy and I took two members of the House who are today senators and I'll give you the photograph you can get off my website of me with Roger Wicker, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and Lindsey Graham meeting with the Minister of Atomic Energy in Moscow, Michalov. They call him the Hawk. And I said to him, we want you to stop helping Iran with a nuclear program at Bushir because this is going to come back to hurt both of our countries. This is in the 1990s. McAuliffe said, Congressman, we can't do anything about these deals that we're doing. I was very outraged and I let the Russians know that one of the most pro American leaders in Russia who did the Nunn Lugar program was the head of the nuclear institute in Russia called Korchatov Institute in Moscow. His name was Dr. Yevgeny Velikov. He died in December. He was a very good partner of Sam Nunn and Dick Lugar. That's how I met him. Velikov became a good friend of mine. When Bush reached out and made that famous speech in 2001 that he looked in Putin's eyes and saw his inner soul and realized this is a man he could trust. You can pull that speech up. That was Bush saying this. I took that seriously and I pressed Velikov to do something about the Iran program. Velikov came to my office and I have a three hour interview with Velikov in my oral history. It's never been released in Moscow. And Velikov said court Putin wants to offer to the US a bilateral 5050 overseeing any fissile material going into Iran. We turned them down. We turned them down under George Bush in the early 2000s.

[Cash Patel]

I'll take a polygraph, by the way. On a different note, the Federal Reserve is often. I used to consult with the Federal Reserve's intelligence folks, and yes, they have an intelligence program. And moving whole plane loads of cash is not an uncommon thing for the Federal Reserve. Just saying, it's a common. It's a common occurrence.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I can see that. Yeah, I can see that. And by the way, I've had multiple conversations with Ahmadinejad. We've done multiple zooms with him. He reached out. I was supposed to fly to a country in, in Europe to interview with him. And that was a day after the assassination attempt they had on him. I don't know if you remember that. When that story came out publicly, he said something. He made a couple other claims. Rob, if you want to play a couple of claims and what he said, and you remember this one here, this is him. When is when? What's the date on this, Rob? When the speech was given?

[Kurt Weldon]

I'm not sure the date.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I believe this is at the United.

[Kurt Weldon]

Nations because the delegates.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You're familiar with the speech. Go ahead and play this club, Rob. Identifying those responsible behind the September 11th.

[Kurt Weldon]

Attack, there were three viewpoints. First, that a very powerful and complex.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Terrorist group, able to successfully cross all.

[Kurt Weldon]

Layers of the American intelligence and security, carried out the attack. This is the prevalent viewpoint which has been supported mainly and advocated by American statesmen. Second, that some segments within the US Government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle east in order to save the Zionist regime. The majority of the American people, as well as most nations and politicians around the world agree with this view. Third, it was carried out by a terrorist group, but that the American government supported and took advantage of the situation.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Apparently this viewpoint has fewer proponents. The main evidence for this viewpoint links.

[Kurt Weldon]

The incident with a few passports found in the huge volume of rubble and a video of an individual whose place.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Of domicile was unknown, but it was.

[Kurt Weldon]

Announced that he had been involved involved in oil deals with some American officials. It was also covered up and said that due to the explosion and fire.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No trace of suicide attackers was found. You can pause everyone. Thoughts on that, Tony?

[Cash Patel]

Well, I see I didn't never seen this before, but it seems like I came up with a couple of the options.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You've never seen this before?

[Cash Patel]

I've never seen this before, no. And it seems like some of the things I mentioned to you track with what he's saying. I've never seen this. I have. No, I didn't. I had no idea this existed.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Kurt, had you seen that before?

[Kurt Weldon]

No.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What do you think about what he's saying?

[Kurt Weldon]

I'd have to analyze it some more. I have some thoughts, but again I try to be very careful because what they'll do is they'll pick apart what I say and what I try to do. Either I have backed up with my files, I have the largest archives and house history, or my. My oral history, which is 100 hours of videos done by the past president of the national association of Oral Historians, or by firsthand evidence. And I. I don't know, I. My. My contention is just that Iran should not be an enemy right now. We, the people of Iran, have never been. They were good friends of ours under the Shah and they're good people and we should not allow ourselves to be sucked into another war.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It's a very different country though, Kurt.

[Kurt Weldon]

I know that, but.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But it's been very different country before Iran. There's only two countries in the history of mankind that have said death upon America. Yep, I understand it's North Korea and Iran after 1979. Pre 79, Iran had great relationship with us, great relationship with Israel, great relationship with the world. Shah didn't trust Israel because where they are politically. But he was still able to do business with them. He was able to do business with France, he was able to do business with Europe. But the moment the irgc, the founder IRGC had on the podcast here four months ago, he was right here. We had a two and a half hour conversation together. Him and Khomeini started IRGC and we talked about what happened with all the Lies and Sinama Rex. Fire. This is not the same Iran we're talking about. It's a very different Iran.

[Kurt Weldon]

But you're not calling for a war with Iran.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I don't want no war. I don't want. I don't want people dying. I just. I lived there when war happened. I saw people dying. I lived in Iran for almost 11 years. From 19. I'm born 10-1878. We left 7-15-89. So think what era I lived in Iran, in Tehran, by the way, capital.

[Kurt Weldon]

You mentioned North Korea.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Right.

[Kurt Weldon]

I took all three delegations in North Korea, the three U.S. delegations. I took, all bipartisan. And I went in there again to support the president. I never went on a foreign delegation because that's not the role of the Congress to do foreign policy, only to support the president. I led delegations to 104 countries. I went to North Korea and I went there in support of George Bush in the early 2000s and with Colin Powell support. Colin Powell was the Secretary of State, a good man. I wanted him to run for president. He didn't want to do it. He was screwed by Bush because Condi Rice wanted to kick him out so she could take his job in the second four years. And she did. I'm aware of that. That's why Colin Powell didn't support George Bush for reelection. I know that for a fact. But anyway, I went to North Korea and I said, what do you people want? They said, congressman, we really don't trust the Chinese. We don't fully trust the Russians. The person I met with was Kim Gaigwon. He was our lead negotiator.

[Patrick Bet-David]

How many times did you go to North Korea?

[Kurt Weldon]

I went there three times. Three times. And to Pyongyang? I went there once to Panmunjom to bring back the remains. And I went to Pyongyang and I said, well, what do you want? They said, we want the respect of the US we don't know how to get the respect of the U.S. i said, well, the. One of the things you got to do is you've got to stop terrorism and you've got to stop your nuclear program. They said, well, we're not really interested in pursuing a nuclear program. This is back in 2003 and 4. So I said, well, what if we came up with a plan that maybe would allow you to have an alternative source of energy? They said, we'd be interested in that. So with my delegation again, three Democrats, I can name them, and they'll come on your show, and two other Republicans. On the back of an envelope on my first or second trip there, I wrote down six or seven items. It became a two part plan to create what I called the peace pipeline.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is this it?

[Kurt Weldon]

The peace pipeline? Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's the meeting. That's the meeting. So I said and I met separately with Kim Gigwan privately with the members. They were off. I said, I want to meet with you privately. Let me run something by you because I have to get this approved by Secretary Powell and by the White House. I said, the six party nations, China, Russia, South Korea, North Korea, the U.S. what if they all came together and offered you some other way for energy? Let's say the Russian has energy up in the Far east, up around Kamchatka, oil and gas. What if we built pipelines from the Russian Far east that came down from Kamchatka through China, down the rail corridor of North Korea to South Korea? And what if Cogass and South Korea offered to buy that product and sell it to China to Japan and the other countries and China built the pipeline? Would you then be willing to give up your nuclear program? And the North Korean said yes. So I wrote up a two part ten point peace plan. Colin Powell had me speak at the monthly Secretary of State forum that he sponsored as a secretary in front of 200 State Department employees. And he put it on his website. The peace plan was approved by all other four nations. Five nations. I went to Wuhan, China. Wuhan, China. Besides being the health problem, the largest manufacturer of pipe is in Wuhan. They had 500,000 employees there. I went to one and spent a week. I met with the leadership of the pipe company and the party in Wuhan. I said, can you get the party leadership to approve you building pipe for a pipeline system from the Russian Far east down through China and North Korea to South Korea. They said we'd love it and yes, our country will support that. I went to Code Gas. I'm very tight with the South Koreans. Kim, the former Defense Minister is a good friend of mine and I traveled into Kazakhstan. He knows me very well. And the President was also a good friend. He held a dinner for me when I left Congress. I said, well, Code Gas, buy the. We'll buy it for ourselves and we'll sell, we don't need to China to Japan. Yes, Congressman, it's a great idea. The Russians, I said, you want to sell the product up there? Absolutely, Congressman. We'll sell all the oil and gas. All the countries supported it and the plan Was that we would not complete and open the pipelines until North Korea shut down the Yongbun reactor, that's their main reactor, shut it down, and allowed for a transparent multinational review of that site to verify that the nuclear program was totally shut down. And then I told them, once that's done and once it's verified, then the product will flow through the pipelines, and you'll get a tipping fee for every barrel of product going through the pipeline. You'll get income for your country, and you'll get to use some of the product for energy for your nation, so you won't need nuclear power. The North Koreans wanted to do it. The White House didn't want it. I'll tell you how severe it was and how. How childish it was. You know, we have an annual prayer breakfast in Washington every year, and I used to go to every one of them. And the president speaks. So I was at the time working. Both Libya and North Korea had been to both countries. So the Libyan ambassador in Washington was a man named Ojali. I said, ambassador Jolly, will you come sit at the prayer breakfast with my delegation in front of the president to show that Libya is serious about peace with America? He said, absolutely, Congressman. A month before the prayer breakfast, I get a call from the two embassy officials. North Korea had no embassy here. They had a consular office up at the UN Ambassador Han and ambassador Park. Ambassador Han called me. He said, chairman Weldon, you have some kind of a prayer event in Washington once a year? I said, yes, ambassador. It's the prayer breakfast. He said, ambassador park and I would like to come and bring our spouses. You want to come to the prayer breakfast? He said, yes. I said, well, you know, you can't have a press conference there. It's a prayer breakfast. We pray. He said, no, congressman. We just want to come and show our presence. Well, I said, absolutely. You'll be my guest. I organized the table. It was going to be the ambassador from Libya and his wife. Ambassador Hahn and his wife. Ambassador park and his wife, right in the front, in the center of the national prayer breakfast. About two weeks before the prayer breakfast, I got a call from ambassador Hahn. He was very upset. He said, congressman Weldon, we have to turn down your offer. I said, why would you do this to me? You asked me to get the invitation. I get it. I get the table. He said, congressman, you don't understand. We're not an embassy. For us to travel outside of New York out of 50 miles, we have to get state department approval. We applied for the permit and your State Department turned us down. I hung up the phone and I called the State Department and the Congressional affairs guy whose name I have in my records. And he'll say this. He'll verify. Before I could even say anything, he said, Mr. Chairman, I know why you're calling, and Chairman and Chairman Powell support you. We were called by the White House and told to deny the approval for the two embassy leaders from North Korea to come with a prayer breakfast.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What was their fear?

[Kurt Weldon]

Condoleezza. Right. She didn't want them in the room with the. She didn't want to show that North Korea wanted a peaceful coexistence with America. I'll take a polygraph.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I get it. But what you're saying is that these neocons, they want war, they want conflict. Why though? Is it pure profit or is it just constant conflict?

[Cash Patel]

It's. It's Marxism. It's Trotsky. If you look back at their roots, goes back to Irvin, what's his name? Oh, my goodness. I'm having a senior moment.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Senior moment. Who does 20 pull ups, by the way?

[Cash Patel]

Well, that's how I get. Get past senior moments. Oh, my God. Because anyway, it's. It's a form. The neocon.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Irving Zeitlin.

[Cash Patel]

No, no, Irving. His. His son is a big neocon now. He's one of the.

[Kurt Weldon]

Crystal. Crystal.

[Cash Patel]

Crystal. Irving. Crystal.

[Kurt Weldon]

Chris.

[Cash Patel]

Chris. Irving, Chris. You know, Bill's dad created the neocon movement out of essentially a Trotsky eyed concept of using a combination. Yeah, there you go. It's a combination of collectivism, concept of collectivism and chaos. That's why Stalin had Trotsky killed. Because Stalin did not like the idea that some guy was running around there using essentially communism as a method of insinuating chaos. The chaos they believe philosophically will allow for them to gain control. The chaos they believe gives them some level of global control that was. And that goes back to stone.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That makes sense to me. That makes sense to me. We got a few minutes here. I want to go through a couple of things before we wrap up. Okay. Judy Wood. How much do you know about Judy Wood?

[Kurt Weldon]

I never met the woman. I know a lot about directed energy. I was the first person to hold a congressional hearing on EMP based on, as you know, and your viewers can Google the term Starfish Prime. That was the first EMP test. If you had Peter Pry on. I know he talked about that. Peter worked for me when I wrote the MP legislation which became law. It created the commission. Peter was the executive director of the commission EMP is our gravest threat right now because it can neutralize a country by taking out your smart capabilities. But from that, weapons were developed using directed energy. And that's the major thrust to me today. And what Judith Wood says is that those buildings weren't taken down through airplanes or bombs. They were taken down through a massive direction of energy attack.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who do you believe more, her or Richard Gage? Who do you get more credit?

[Kurt Weldon]

First of all, the architects in it. I don't compare either one of the two because I'm not a professional in that area. I think they both are credible people. Richard gage and the 3,000 architects and engineers have risked their entire lives and careers talking about the lies of the NIST and the false report that was put out there. And I can give you a story about NIST that'll blow your viewers away. But I won't bother you if you don't want to hear it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But I want to stay on Judy Wood here because Judy Wood, interesting background. She got a degree in civil engineering, got a master's degree in engineering mechanics and applied physics and a PhD in material engineering science. She's not politically like involved. She could care less about the politics side. It's not something that she talks about, but her theory. Several observations she claims cannot be explained by official narrative. One, lack of significant debris. She talks about how the debris pile after the collapse was much smaller than expected for buildings as large as the World Trade Center Tower. She suggests it was that much of the material was vaporized or dustified by a W by dw, leaving little rubble behind. That's one, two toasted cars. She points to reports and images of cars near the World Trade center that were severely damaged or toasted in unusual ways, burned or melted without clear signs of typical fire or explosion damage. Wood interprets this as evidence of selective energy defects from a DW absence of expected seismic impact. Wood claims that seismic data recorded during the collapse doesn't match that would be expected from a traditional building collapse. She argues that the DW attack would produce less ground vibration than a conventional demolition. And then the Hurricane Aaron connection, which is kind of weird. On 911 there was a hurricane. Most people don't know this. There was Hurricane Aaron was present in the Atlantic Ocean. Rob, I don't know if you've seen the picture of the Hurricane Aaron, how close it gets and what direction it just goes. If you've ever seen this would suggest a speculative link proposing that the storm's energy might have been harnessed or connected to the DW technology. Used in the attack. It starts and just kind of goes and disappears to the other side. Now, obviously, these are, to the average person, crazy claims. What do you think about what she says? There any credibility there?

[Kurt Weldon]

I think we need this. We need to have a presidential commission.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Right.

[Kurt Weldon]

Get Richard Gage, who's done a lifetime of work, Judith Wood, the firefighters, the lawyers, all of the people we have, firefighters who've never been interviewed, who heard explosions in the buildings. All of those people need to come together because the 911 Commission, listen carefully. Is a complete fraud. I don't blame the commissioners. I blame the people who manipulate the data, the people who ran it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Well, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. When the president was getting. Doing an interview with. I want to say, who was it that was doing the interview? She's phenomenal at what she does at Fox. She married Duffy Campos. Yes. She's. She's great. And she asked, hey, when you become president, will you release what happened with John F. Ke. Yes. 9 11. Yes. Epstein. Yes. Well, and then he kind of hesitates a little bit on the Epstein side. But 9 11, it was like, yes, right, right. So now, did you see what happened with Cash Patel with Kennedy's hearing just yesterday? Did you guys see that clip or. No, I was working yesterday. That. That clip was everywhere. Cash, Pat Patel's asking about Epstein. Rob, if you can play the shorter one. That's the one right there. Is that the one? Yes. Go ahead and play that clip if you don't mind. And I'm not trying to tie the two together, but I'm trying to. I got a question for you here. Go for it.

[Kurt Weldon]

Rob Person with a brain and a beating heart.

[Cash Patel]

Yes, sir.

[Patrick Bet-David]

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[Kurt Weldon]

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[Cash Patel]

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[Patrick Bet-David]

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[Kurt Weldon]

Did Jeffrey Epstein hang himself or did somebody kill him?

[Cash Patel]

Senator, I believe he hung himself in a cell in the Metropolitan Detention center. Are you going to release all the.

[Kurt Weldon]

Information about that, Senator?

[Cash Patel]

We are working through that right now with the Department of Justice.

[Kurt Weldon]

When you think you'll have it done, Cash?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think in the.

[Kurt Weldon]

In the near future, sir. Like before I die.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Senator, we are.

[Cash Patel]

We are. We've been working on that. And we're doing it in a way that protects victims and also doesn't put out into the ether information that is irrelevant for production of the public, such as CSAM.

[Kurt Weldon]

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, so Senator Reed, question Mario Como, who you quoted earlier. Okay. Said, you know, most people campaign in poetry, but they, you know, govern in prose. Right. Like, you'll say all the stuff they want the people to hear, and then you become in there, you're like, whoa, you know, kind of have to do a different thing. I can't do 80% of the stuff that I said most. Right. This is why nobody trusts politicians, few statesmen, many politicians. We know the difference. President Trump, you know, you know, positions himself as a statesman that has the brass to go up after people, and he's not afraid for him to say some of the stuff that he's done. Takes a lot of brass to do what he's doing. The trade war, not easy. The average person cannot do it. It's a very risky thing to do. He has the brass to do it. We all know that. Between the two things to release, what do you think is riskier for them to release? And why is it to open up a presidential commission, you know, to go investigate 911 or release the Epstein files? Because it seems like we were supposed to get this information and now they're just kicking it down. And yeah, two more months and two more months, trust me, people are going to forget about it. Two more months or two more months. Do you think that's the deep state that's coming in and saying, you cannot release this to anybody? Who do you think it is? And do you think President Trump will pursue 9 11?

[Kurt Weldon]

Well, I've never met Donald Trump, and I do think he's the only person right now in America that can get us back on a normal track about the way this country was designed. When I taught school for seven years in Pennsylvania, my personal bias is I want 911 addressed because it is the largest single attack in US history. It's the largest loss of life in our country. And in my opinion, I don't think it was an accident. I think there was deliberate involvement in what I've seen to cover it up. And I want to know why. With the Epstein case, I've not done an investigation. I think that's probably more of a personal thing where the deep state may have information on people that they are threatening people with. If that comes out so you leak.

[Patrick Bet-David]

It, it's worse because you can't hold them hostage, so you're using the data to hold people.

[Kurt Weldon]

The key thing for Donald Trump is to take the initiative and be the aggressor and analyze all of those deep, straight bad people and what they've done, their bank accounts, what they hold now, their relationships, none of us know any of that and start to expose that 9, 11. Well, not only that, everything they've been involved in, those people that have made money, that have been caused by the Deaths of American GIs and by the deaths of American citizens and firefighters, Donald Trump should take the offensive.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's what I would do to pursue and finding out who was behind 911.

[Kurt Weldon]

But also what people working for our deep state has gone on to make money. Well, that is exorbitant cash pots that they hide behind now based upon their ties to our intelligence in the past.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So there's a couple things. And by the way, you made a facial expression when Cash Patel thing was going on. So I'm curious to know what you said, but I'll come back to that. But let me stay on this here. Right now is do you remember when. What was it, Rob? When all the presidents had to show up and President Bush was there, Pence was there, Obama sat next to Trump, Michelle Obama wasn't there. I think it was Jimmy Carter's funeral. Jimmy Carter's funeral. And you see President Bush come and they walk in a way to not have to greet the president. Okay? Not have to shake his hand. And I want to shook everybody else's hand, but not him. You've seen this clip. I'm sure the rest of the audience has seen it. If you. Rob, if you have it, just type in Trump, Bush, Carter funeral. Trump, Bush, Carter funeral. And show the clip of them walking in specific. That's the one right here. Watch this. This is in. President Bush is coming in.

[Kurt Weldon]

My guy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What up, George?

[Cash Patel]

Hey, Laura.

[Patrick Bet-David]

We'll take the audio off. Shakes hands there and then boom. No shaking hands with the president. Right? You got Pence, you got everybody else. Not Melania, not anybody. What's funny is Melania yesterday announced that they're doing a stamp specifically for, I believe, Barbara Bush. Rob, can you verify what I'm saying? This, if it's not a factual statement or not, is Melania Trump announces stamp Barbara Bush. Yeah, I'm right. So Melania Trump announces yesterday, unveils Barbara Bush's stamp. She left an undeniable mark on our hearts. Okay, so first, I see this Jimmy Carter situation at the funeral. And I see Bush doesn't talk to Trump maybe because he's about to release 9 11. Bush is worried about it because maybe he was linked to it on the deep state. You know, that whole thing that we're talking January 20, 2001 is an issue there. Okay, then I think about is he capable of talking about 9 11. If there's ever been a president that would be interested in wanting to do a presidential commission on 9 11, I believe it's President Trump. Let me explain to you why. One, he's from New York, two, when it happened, they interviewed him. Rob, do you have the clip? What happened when they interviewed the President? He was one of the most honest, straight up feedback that he gave on what happened. Where this is not with any research, this is with nothing. I saw it when it took place and this is what the president said on 911 when this took place. Go ahead, Rob.

[Kurt Weldon]

Great.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Donald, you're probably the best known builder.

[Cash Patel]

Particularly of great buildings in the city. There's a great deal of question about whether or not the damage and the ultimate destruction of the buildings was caused by the airplanes, by architectural defect or possibly by bombs or, or aftershocks. Do you have any thoughts on that?

[Kurt Weldon]

Well, it was an architectural defect. You know, the World Trade center was always known as a very, very strong building. Don't forget that took a big bomb in the basement. Now the basement is the most vulnerable place because that's your foundation and it withstood that. And I got to see that area about three or four days after it took place because one of my structural engineers actually took me for a tour because he did the building. And I said, I can't believe it. The building was standardized and half of the columns were blown out. I mean, so this was an unbelievably powerful building. If you know anything about structure, it was one of the first buildings that.

[Cash Patel]

Was built from the outside. The steel.

[Kurt Weldon]

The reason the World Trade center had such narrow windows is that in between all the windows you had the steel on the outside. So you had to steal on the outside of the building.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's why when I first looked and.

[Kurt Weldon]

You had big head, heavy I beams, when I first looked at it, I couldn't believe it because there was a hole in the steel and this is steel. That was, you remember the, the width of the windows in the World Trade center, folks?

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think you, you know, if you.

[Kurt Weldon]

Were ever up there, they were quite narrow and in between was this heavy steel. I said how could a plane, even, a plane, even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might have been. How could it possibly go through this deal? I happened to think, think that they had not only a plane, but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously. Because I just can't imagine this is.

[Patrick Bet-David]

On911.

[Kurt Weldon]

Most buildings are built with the Steelers on the inside around the elevator shaft. This one was built from the outside, which is the strongest structure you can have. And it was almost just like a. Like a can of soup, you know.

[Cash Patel]

Donald, we were looking at pictures all morning long of that plane coming into building number two, and when you see that approach the far side, and then all of a sudden, within a matter of millisecond, the explosion pops out the other side.

[Kurt Weldon]

Right. I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel. I think, obviously, there were very big planes. They were going very rapidly because I was also.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So, you know, when you see something like this, you see him being from New York, you see his background being real estate. You know, he knows all the dark people in New York. You know, he knows all the powerful people in New York. You know, he knows all the political people. He's been doing stuff with Schumer, Hillary Clinton, all this. He knows all of these guys. If there is a guy that would reopen this up to find out what. He's the only one.

[Cash Patel]

Exactly.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I think in our lifetime, the only one with the brass and the qualification to do it is him.

[Kurt Weldon]

And you are one of the only people that he'll listen to, which is why he came down to Florida on behalf of the firefighters of America, to tell Donald Trump to convene and name a presidential commission. Thank you.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Anytime. Yeah, I hope it happens, because for me, the only thing I'm interested in is the truth, what happened. Maybe we're wrong. It's okay if we're wrong. Maybe we are. If we are. Look, let's just do it.

[Cash Patel]

Nothing wrong with finding out.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, let's just find out and get smarter. Let's find out on what happened. It'll definitely make America more, you know, safer if we're able to get that done today. But I'm hoping that happens. Gentlemen, it's great to have you on today. We have different books, Rob. Let's put the link to all the books we have awakened the Sleeping Giant Mine.

[Kurt Weldon]

Aren't available.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They're not available. So if we are going to do it, which one could we do? So they can't even get the books, really. So for you, we'll put the presidential firefighters for 9 11. Truth.

[Kurt Weldon]

You can get this here, the film Bravo 7.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Bravo 7 which is there as well. For Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer we have Operation Dark Card. Rob, let's put it below. And for Eric we have Rob, let me see that there. Intelligence operations. We'll put the link below as well. And if I'm not mistaken, Kurt, I know people will reach out to you. I think you're also on Manect. If people have information on 9 11. Oh yeah, and, and Tony, they'll be able to get a hold of you guys.

[Cash Patel]

I'm joining.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay, perfect. We're going to put the link to that information below as well for them to be able to ask you questions. But this has been a breath of fresh air. Appreciate you guys for doing this and maybe there will be a follow up on this in the future. I'm looking forward to that.

[Cash Patel]

Thank you, sir.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I'm looking forward to it. Take care everybody. Bye bye, bye bye.

[Cash Patel]

I'm retired Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer. I'm a senior intelligence officer slash retired spy with a great deal of information regarding my 30 plus years of operational experience. Plus 911 issues relating to able danger. I wrote a book, Operation Darkheart, New York Times bestseller. I'm the national security advisor of the Trump 2020 campaign. I'm an elected official in North Carolina as a county commissioner. So reach out to me via Manect if you have questions. I'm happy to try to give you answers that will help you. Look forward to talking to you.