Trump TROLLS, Govt Shutdown, Gaza Peace Plan & Charlie Kirk MYSTERY Construction | PBD Podcast | Ep. 658

Summary

PBD Podcast #658 Summary

Episode Title: Trump TROLLS, Govt Shutdown, Gaza Peace Plan & Charlie Kirk MYSTERY Construction
Date: October 1, 2025
Host: Patrick Bet-David (“PBD”)
Co-Hosts/Guests: Vinnie, Tom (“Biz Doc”), Brandon

Overview

This episode dives into pressing political and cultural topics, including Trump’s social media trolling during the ongoing government shutdown, the unveiling of a Gaza peace plan with President Trump and Netanyahu, scrutiny over the Charlie Kirk assassination and its aftermath, shifts in American dating and political demographics, the state of the U.S. military under changing standards, and broader reflections on U.S. and global leadership.

The team offers candid, at times irreverent commentary, peppered with humor and real-time reactions. The show moves rapidly between headline news and broader social insights, emphasizing critical thinking, skepticism of official narratives, and the importance of common sense in policy and personal life.

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Major Discussion Topics

1. Government Shutdown and Trump’s Trolling

[01:15–23:00]

• Government Shutdown Context: The U.S. government has been shut down for over nine hours. There’s national anxiety, but the panel mocks the overreaction.
  • “If you didn’t know, now you know, the government’s been shut down. People are losing their minds. Trump’s posting memes smiling at Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer…” —PBD [01:15]
• Trump’s Social Media Response: Trump posts AI-generated videos mocking Democratic leaders, further fueling viral debate.
  • Notable quote: “Not a YouTuber, not a podcaster, not an influencer. This is the President of the United States posting that video and people lost their minds.” —PBD [19:01]
• Democratic Demands: The panel criticizes Democrats for tying the budget to expanded healthcare for illegal immigrants, framing the impasse as prioritizing non-citizens.
• Public Perception of Shutdowns: Polls show 67% blame Congress; 80% report no personal impact from previous shutdowns.
  • “If the shutdown gets a change in spending, I’m in favor of it.” —Tom [23:47]

2. Bad Apples and Team Toxicity (Business Wisdom)

[11:15–15:00]

• Segment highlights research about how one negative teammate (“jerk,” “slacker,” “downer”) can drag down entire teams.
• Practical advice: Recognize, set boundaries, don’t try to fix negative people, and guard your group’s energy.
• “You can’t fix everybody. Only they can fix them with a level of commitment to it.” —PBD [13:30]

3. U.S. Political Shifts & Democratic Party Decline

[32:32–38:59]

• Low Democratic Favorability: Quinnipiac poll shows only 30% of Americans view the Democrats favorably, a historic low.
• Voter Base Shifts: Young, Black, and Hispanic voters are moving rightward; panel argues this is due to Democrats’ abandonment of “normalcy” and common sense.
• What Should Democrats Do? Guest Brandon lists three “blue ocean” issues where parties could win back trust:
  1. Reckon with cost of living and affordable housing.
  2. Healthcare access—not just “free,” but more capacity and fewer barriers to becoming a doctor.
  3. Less justification for war; avoid endless interventions abroad.
• “Most people who are Republicans now used to be Democrats at one point...if they just acted like normal people, then they’d be fine.” —Brandon [32:32]

4. Cultural Rifts: Dating & Relationships

[42:48–55:00]

• Panel analyzes a Daily Caller report that older liberal women become more open to dating conservative men as they age, but the reverse is not true—conservative men are less likely to date liberal women over time.
• The debate centers on values differences, changing priorities, and the perceived effects of feminist messaging on long-term happiness and relationship viability.
• “There’s plenty of young men…not full on MAGA, but hold conservative beliefs...young liberal women on the other hand would outright reject this person as a partner.” —PBD summarizing study [43:52]
• The hosts recount personal stories illustrating how bitterness or value mismatches influence relationship choices.

5. Physical Standards and the Military

[60:44–74:12]

• Pete Hegseth Criticizes Military Unfitness: Secretary Hegseth calls out “fat troops” and insists all soldiers must meet high physical standards.
  • “Frankly, it’s tiring to look out at combat formations and see fat troops. Likewise, fat generals...That’s not who we are.” —Pete Hegseth [61:13]
• Pushback from “The View”: Sunny Hostin and others decry these remarks as “fat shaming,” but the hosts are unmoved.
• Panel Consensus: Physical standards are about readiness, not discrimination; both men and women can serve in combat if they meet the same benchmarks.
  • “Common sense is making a comeback. 77% [in a poll] felt they must meet the physical requirements of the job.” —Tom [69:56]

6. Gaza Peace Plan — Trump & Netanyahu

[74:14–92:39]

• New 20-Point Roadmap: Trump and Netanyahu announce a negotiated framework for peace and reconstruction in Gaza, including:
  • Transitional governance,
  • De-radicalization,
  • Amnesty for non-terrorist Hamas members,
  • U.S.-led international “Board of Peace” chaired by Trump and Tony Blair,
  • Hostage exchanges, and eventual Palestinian self-determination.
• Skepticism remains high on whether Hamas will accept terms or if this is an attempt to move attention to Iran. Multiple hosts raise concerns about real implementation and historical intractability of the problem.
  • “It looks great on paper…but we’re talking about Hamas. You can’t trust terrorists.” —Vinnie [82:13]
  • “If US is involved, you don’t think Hamas is shivering right now?” —PBD [87:51]

7. Charlie Kirk Assassination: Scrutiny and Research

[116:05–145:18]

• Continued Skepticism: The team scrutinizes inconsistencies in the official story, including campus construction at the scene shortly after the assassination, lack of proper crime scene preservation, unclear ballistics, disputes about camera footage, and missing autopsy/public information.
• Active Investigation by Panel: Vinnie calls the university, gets stonewalled, and details attempts to reach the communications director.
• Comparisons: Length of time crime scenes are preserved in other high-profile cases often weeks/months, versus immediate alterations at the Kirk site.
  • “The facts that we can see don’t add up…Why wasn’t there police there taping up the scene? Why are people taking cameras that would be holding footage of great interest?” —Tom [124:58]
• Poll of Audience: 82% of listeners do not believe the official story.
• Tucker Carlson’s Response: Carlson supports Turning Point USA and has not publicly questioned the narrative, which the team finds notable.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Trump as “Chief Troll”

“He’s a troll. He’s the ultimate troll. They don’t know what to do with it.” —D [20:09]

On Team Negativity

“Stop trying to be God. That job is already taken. You can’t fix everybody.” —PBD [13:30]

On Physical Standards for Soldiers

“Fat shaming is like saying smoke shaming is bad…It’s objectively unhealthy to be fat.” —Brandon [71:49]

On Democratic Decline

“It’s sad when you have to find an entire new voting base because your country distrusts you so much.” —Brandon [32:32]

On the Kirk Assassination Mystery

“The biggest assassination we’ve had in 60 years and you move this quickly [cleaning the scene]? I don’t understand that. Leave the scene the way it is until we get everything figured out.” —PBD [134:35]

On Don Lemon's Racial Monologues

“It’s cheap. And it’s wrong. And they know it’s wrong. And deep down, they know that it’s hollow. But they’ve got no other bullet in the gun.” —Tom [110:30]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Gov’t Shutdown & Trump Memes: [01:15–23:00]
• Team Negativity/“Bad Apple” Wisdom: [11:15–15:07]
• Democrats’ Historic Low Favorability: [32:00–38:59]
• Dating Poll & Relationship Culture War: [42:48–55:00]
• Military Standards Debate: [60:44–74:12]
• Gaza Peace Plan/Trump’s Role: [74:14–92:39]
• Charlie Kirk Case Dissection: [116:05–145:18]

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Additional Segments

• Cultural Hot-Takes: Critical riffing on liberal dating woes, Don Lemon’s evolution, and modern “victimhood” politics.
• Advice & Anecdotes: PBD and Tom share personal stories about relationships, leadership, and learning to let go of negative people.
• Polk County Sheriff’s Wisdom: A viral clip about the dangers of prostitution—milked for comedic effect but parlayed into a discussion of personal responsibility and discernment.
• Audience Engagement: Multiple live polls on contentious issues (e.g., trust in the Charlie Kirk official narrative, physical fitness requirements for the military).
• Calls to Action: Repeated encouragement to question narratives, value common sense, and not settle for unsatisfying answers from authorities.

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Tone & Style

• Direct, irreverent, often humorous—hosts don’t shy from controversial stances or jokes at each other’s expense.
• Cynical toward establishment narratives and mainstream media.
• Concerted emphasis on critical thinking, self-improvement, and old-school leadership values.
• Rapid-fire, free-associative style—segments flow into each other, with recurring callbacks and personal asides.

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Concluding Thoughts

The PBD Podcast #658 is a whirlwind tour through the week’s most controversial and consequential headlines. While some segments veer into the conspiratorial and conspiratorial skepticism, the through-line is a call for transparency, accountability, and a return to “common sense” in both leadership and daily life.

Fans of the podcast get a front-row seat to live debate, critical questioning, and unfiltered takes—providing both news and the tools to navigate it skeptically.

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For full coverage—including all relevant data, notes, and reference links—listeners are encouraged to download resources via the PBD Podcast Circle community.

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I have a theory.

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Somebody got an billion dollar discounts a nice discount. And Tom's got a theory guys. So stick around for the theory. Ilanar doubles down on attacking Charlie Kirk There is no legacy to honor. I think that's the conversation with Don Lemon if I am not mistaken.

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That's just phenomenal. Those two together is Israel is losing information where Charlie Crook's letter to Netanyahu. Tom's got some thoughts on that. There is a poll that shows liberal women are on a crash course with dating hell. The dating hell they created. What I mean this data folks you have to read this on what it is. The older liberal women get the more open they are to conservative men but the older conservative men get the less open they are to liberal women. And there is science behind it folks because this is a science driven poll we're talking about from Daily Caller. And then we have Newsom courts big oil as gas prices threaten political ambitions Rahm Emanuel wing presidential bid navigates a Democratic party moving left Voters in majority major US city view capitalism only slightly more favorably than socialism and that pisses Tom off. Tom is very angry about that. Very angry about it. But slightly not that angry because Shohei hit a nice home run at the Dodgers 1 and the Yankees lost yesterday. So Tom came in here doing back flips, celebrating. He's been here since 6 o' clock putting up signs of Dodger flags everywhere.

[D]

There was baseball yesterday. I thought the season ended on Sunday.

[B]

Yeah, Democratic party hits historic low favorability a new national poll. Tom's got thoughts. Vinnie's got thoughts on the Kim Jeffries and Trump Charlie Javis gets is seven years for defrauding JP Morgan. However Tom show me this. I'm not going to tell you what the lawyer said but it is funny. You're so said lawyer said to the the judge you have to see what this look, this lawyer has some audacity to say what he had to say to the judge brass as AI threatens white collar work more young Americans chase blue collar careers. We got a young American here to tell us what he's chasing. We'll see what's going to happen with them. Now LA is dying as Hollywood businesses say tourism cash has dropped the by up to 50% after Las Vegas hit the skits. And then Don Lemon sparks fury with wild rant about white men broken folks if you're white according to Don Lemon, you're broken. He's trying to fix you. He's trying to fix you. And is his wife a white?

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Despite being married to one is how the story ends. Despite being married to one. And Tom, Listen, I've kept these stories just for Tom. Butt lifts in Miami, breast implants in Beverly Hills, plastic surgery by region. Tom wants to get to the bottom because there's a business model behind us. And then eventually, God willing, we'll hit that Coldplay story. They need some attention. They need some attention. And then a novice defense secretary lectures the brass on what it takes to win. Pete Hex said, HUD displays banner blaming radical left Democrats for government shutdown. Military leaders absorb highly partisan presentation from Trump exit. And then we got a couple other things to get into, folks. There is a major memo. I think you guys have to see it. I think it's very, very important. Life changing time. You know, every once in a while you meet a man who gives you life changing advice and you have to, you have to make note of it. And you just like make a note of it. Sheriff Grady from Polk county, we're going to show this video to you. He's, he's, and he's teaching people why not to hire prostitutes. And he does it in such a. You have to have the clip, Rob. I mean, he's a legend if you don't know who he is. This man's a philosopher. He could have been a pastor in a previous life. He could have been a comedian. He could have been playing baseball with Lou Gehry style comedy that he's got, he's one of one. He's got some advice he wants to share with you guys. I think it's important. We got to go through it to all the young men that are watching this. And then aside from that, I got a couple other things that I want to read about Maxine Water, the way she reacts. We found a guy that says the range bro clip that we showed last week, he says he debunked it. And we're going to have to show this one clip to you. And he's got some stuff to say about it. Again, the idea with everything that's going on with Charlie Kirk, Vinnie called the school yesterday. He called the Utah University yesterday, talked to five people, eventually got ahold of the director of communication. He's going to probably give the name, call that person five times. Okay? No pickup to see what's going on there. And so, you know, you know, so he'll give you that perspective and Then I got a story here that I saw this morning, which I love. This is one bad apple destroys a great team. Yeah, the timing, timing of this story is bad because. But this, this has nothing to do with that. You know, Apple, he's more like a banana. But this, this Apple here that we're talking about is a different story that we're talking about, which we'll get into, and a couple other clips. But by the way, can you imagine you wake up one morning and, you know, because of them trying to censor you when you were running for president, something you have the right to do. Google, YouTube, Twitter, everybody tried to censor you. And in 60 Minutes agrees to pay Trump $16 million for editing Kamala Harris interview. ABC agrees to pay Trump $15 million in a settlement of a defamation lawsuit. Twitter agrees to pay Trump $10 million for suspending him. And Facebook agrees to pay Trump $25 million of suspending him. And then YouTube just agreed to pay President Trump 24 and a half million dollars for suspending his account in 2021. This is the tweetest from who? Rob? Can we read? Danielle de Souza Gill. I hope I said the last name right. Like Benji Gill, Gil. So this guy made almost $100 million for just being censored and suspended. And the guy keeps winning, winning, winning. And Jimmy Fallon comes out saying, look, we're always telling jokes on both sides. Fallon always. We're fair. And Colbert, I think, went on Kimmel last night to try to say some stuff, and Kimmel came back and made fun of J.D. vance. Hardcore. So maybe we got to show some of this stuff to kind of see what's going on over there with the viewership, which we will. We will. But before we get into it, I do want to tell you guys, if you want to get all the notes that we get for free, all the notes that we cover, so you have access to everything that we're going to go through. All you have to do is download Manek, go to the PBD podcast circle. Whether you have an Android or Apple, go to our circle, download it and get the notes and follow track. And every time there's updates, different things. And if you want to communicate and network with each other, you pay 10 bucks a month and 20, 50amonth allows you to do the whole thing, the whole benefits that comes with it. But for free, you can get the notes of what we're going through here on our podcast. And then next thing, before we get into the podcast, guys, this shirt I'm wearing, I wear the white I wear the blue I wear the black. 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How they ruin everything. The jerk. Critical, disrespectful. Puts others down. The slacker. Lazy. Withholds effort. Deadbeat behavior. Damn, that's very hard. The downer, Pessimistic. And nothing's gonna ever happen here. Complain spreads negativity. The result? Teams argue, stop sharing, communicate less. Right. Negative behavior hits harder than positive and spreads fast. Go to the next one. So now let's go to the top a little bit. Your defense strategy. Number one, Recognize the signs. Spot jerks, slackers and downers early. Two, set boundaries. Limit exposure to negative people. Three, don't try to fix them. You can't unspoil a bad apple, folks. You cannot fix them. Only God can. Choose your team. Surround yourself with positive people. Address it quickly. Don't let negativity spread and take root. Last but not least, guard your energy. Your success depends on who you're around. By the way, 23 years ago, my dad, I had this one guy I loved. I was in first grade to get in Iran. Junior high school, high school, military together. Bally's ticket, insurance together. Oh, my God, this guy was negative. Funny as hell, but negative. Okay? It was always negative, negative, negative. He'd always blame. It's this person's fault. It's your fault. The staff was always on negative. And I really wanted to run with this guy for the rest of my life because I love this guy. One day, my dad and I get into the biggest fight and he says, don't you realize he's not going to work as hard as you let him go? This guy's not going to put the effort the way you're putting it. I said, you don't believe people can change? I believe people can change on their own, but I don't believe you can change them. So we're having this feud together. We're going back and forth. And I will tell you, long term, you win for believing that people can't choose to change. There is more positive in you believing that people can improve than not. However, the affirmation that changed my life in one of the biggest ways that took so much weight off my back was when I finally read this and I added to my list, stop trying to be God. That job is already taken. You can't fix everybody. Only they can fix them with a level of commitment to it. If they don't, sometimes opportunities come up and they screw it up and they think they're bigger than the whole crew, and then they take a massive hit. It happens in sports organization and families and churches and friendships and everywhere. And all it takes is one time for you to be a little bit casual, to be like, ah, it's going to be okay.

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Boom.

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Oh, I lost that opportunity. You were casual, and you face somebody that doesn't want any of this kind of stuff to be taking place. And it's unfortunate, but that's kind of how life works. So if you're watching this yourself, if you're watching PBD podcast, you probably are not part of the community. That's one of these. What it was about. The jerk. Whatever. Can you go back to the jerk? You're probably not, because the jerk, the slacker, the downer. Yeah, you're probably not Debbie Downer. We would be annoying to watch this, but if you're watching this right now saying, I think I'm a little bit of the jerk or the slacker, the downer, well, listen, get on your knees and pray, okay? Or find a way to change. Because if you don't, you may lose some of the biggest opportunities in your life. Because many times when we're inside the opportunity, we don't know it until we lose it. Yeah. And then when you lose it, you're like, oh, shit, what a moron. Why'd I do that? Don't do that. Right? Very simple. So, anyways, let's get right into it, folks. I know you've been nervous because the government's been shut down now for nine hours and 15 minutes. Don't worry, it's going to be okay. But the government's been shut down. No one's working. By the way, apparently a hundred thousand people are deciding to quit. I don't know if you saw this or not, Rob. If you want to put this up, this is catastrophic news, folks. 100,000 DMV employees are quitting not DMV, but just government employees are quitting. Rob, if you want to put that story up, they're out there. They're angry. Over 100,000 federal workers to resign Tuesday amid looming government shutdown. And look at the phones. Look at them running around with the phones recording with that beautiful pink umbrella while it's not even raining. Isn't that awesome? Think about how rich you have to be to have a pink umbrella while the sky is blue and a camera walking around and you're walking away from your job. How awesome it is. That guy probably doesn't even work at the government. It's just a picture that they took, but a great angle. Nice people walking there. So here's what's going on. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this. Trump mocks Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries in an AI generated video after government shutdown meeting. You tell me, when have we ever had a government that would post a meme like this? Which, by the way, you have to be honest, Hakeem actually looks good with that mustache. Look closely. And that sombrero, right? He can pull it off. What president do you know that is concerned to entertain you and mock his enemies and be as straight up as this guy here? Go ahead, Rob, play this clip. Hey business owners. We know you know the importance of maximizing every dollar.

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There's no way to sugarcoat it.

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Nobody likes Democrats anymore. We have no voters left because of all of our woke trans. Not even black people want to vote for us anymore. Even Latinos hate us, so we need new voters. And if we give all these illegal aliens free health care, we might be able to get them on our side so they can vote for us. They can't even speak English, so they won't realize we're just a bunch of.

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Woke pieces of shit.

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You know, at least for a while, until they learn English and they realize they hate us, too. By the way, this is not a YouTuber that posted this. Not a podcaster, not an influencer. This is the President of the United States posted that video and people lost their minds.

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Did he post the one with the mariachi band?

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Another one? No. Did you see that one? He. He didn't. Stop. There's another one. Did you see this?

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Stop it.

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No.

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It's happened.

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Better. Sent you the second one.

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There's no way in the world.

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How about this? You're gonna laugh even harder because it's Hakeem Jeffries getting pissed off saying, how dare he say it to my face. I think I slept. You did. I got. This one's better. No, I think somebody makes them and send them to him. This one is even better. This one.

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This is all because the government shutdown.

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Because they're playing that game. Look ready. Ready for this. Watch.

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Disgusting video. And we're going to continue to make.

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Clear bigotry will get you nowhere. An unprecedented.

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He's a troll. He's the ultimate troll.

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They don't know what to do with it.

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That's it.

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They don't know what to do with it.

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That is the part about being unpredictable. So, Rob, can we give this story about the government shutdown? Let's just kind of go through it right now. What's going on?

[D]

So there's a reason for this angle?

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Yeah. So J.D. vance predicted that the government's going to shut down after deadly serious Democrat demand concessions. We're headed towards a shutdown. Vance says after Trump's meeting with leaders. Is this the clip? Rob, go ahead and play this clip. I want to make one final point here. You will hear a lot from Senate Democrats, from House Democrats about the fact that American health care policy is broken. Well, we know that American health care policy is broken. We've been trying to fix it for.

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The eight months that we've been in office. But every single thing that they accused.

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About being broken about American health care.

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Is policy that Democrats have supported for the past decade.

[B]

So if they want to talk about how to fix American health care policy, let's do it.

[A]

The speaker would love to do it.

[B]

The Senate Majority Leader would love to do it. Let's work on it together. But let's do it in the context.

[A]

Of an open government that's providing essential services to the American people.

[B]

That's all that we're proposing to do.

[A]

And the fact that they refuse to do that shows how unreasonable their position is. I think we're headed to a shutdown.

[B]

Because the Democrats won't do the right thing. Thing.

[A]

I hope they change their mind, but we're going to see.

[B]

I'll let the speaker say a few words. Okay, so we are here not headed to a shutdown. We are shut down for 9 hours and 19 minutes and 42 seconds. Vinnie, your thoughts?

[A]

Well, let's. This kind of brings me back to when, remember the border bill was coming through and they were all losing their mind because the border was wide open. So they proposed the bill and they're like, all right, listen, we're going to finally, we'll shut the border down. We'll admit that the border is chaotic and it's unsustainable. But in the bill, there's tens of billions of dollars that have to go to Ukraine. There's billions of dollars that have to go to Israel. There are billions of dollars that have to go to Taiwan. And it's like, no, no, no, time out, time out. The border, the bill for the border should go to the, to the border, okay? And this is the same situation because the, the, the Democrats want Medicaid, they want money to go to illegals. And the bill, it's over one point, some trillion dollars. And this just again, shows you they're willing to shut down and stop going to work because they put illegal, Illegals health care over Americans, okay? They're rewarding illegals. And it's. I'm actually happy that it's coming to this because they talk all this nonsense. They're going to blame Trump, they're going to blame this and that. It's all them. They want money for illegals. And guess what? They're going up against a president that's America first and he's not having it, plain and simple.

[D]

Tom, there is a bunch of things that came out. Mark Mitchell was posting them all night. There's a bunch of very interesting polling. 67% of Americans, if you give them a list, do you blame Schumer? Do you blame Trump? Do you blame Congress? Guess what, 67% blame Congress. So in other words, Pat, if you take off, if you just put names on it, that goes one way, but if you say Congress and you add Congress as a name, 67% blame Congress for it. And, and people said that the last shutdown, they don't feel that it hurt their lives. They felt that it was newsworthy and a lot of things going on. But like 80% of Americans said my life wasn't personally hurt by the shutdown. Now, we're not talking about government employees. We're talking about voters everywhere else, not government. 80% said, well, yeah, there was a shutdown, but it didn't really affect me, far as I can tell. Says next. So they blame Congress next. And now more people say they understand uncontrolled spending and our national debt is bad and it's not just an election year thing. It's bad. They don't know what to do about it, but they understand that it's bad and it hurts the economy long term. Isn't that very interesting? So people will directly blame Trump, they'll directly blame Schumer. But when you step back, America's actually said if the shut. Here's the punchline. If the shutdown gets a change in spending, I'm in favor of it. That is a core American voter.

[B]

Here's what Trump had to say. And I'm going to come to you right here. Go ahead, Rob. We could come up and through this whole thing, you know, because I don't know, we'll probably have a shutdown because one of the things they want to do is they want to give incredible Medicare. Cadillac, the Cadillac Medicare to illegal immigrants. And what that does is it keeps.

[A]

Them coming into our country. Yep.

[B]

And like they do in California. And no country can afford that.

[A]

No country.

[B]

And we have the border stopped up. We have it closed. We have nobody for four months. 00 people came in. That wasn't me.

[A]

That's me.

[B]

By the authorities, who happen to be liberally oriented. But.

[A]

But just think of that.

[B]

We have people offering health care to people all over the world that they can't afford to pay. Now watch this. You can pause it right? Democrats are saying that's not true. That's not what happened. Podcaster and a host goes out there asking a question of Maxine Water, who seems very happy. She's asking Maxine a question here. And look at Maxine's response. Go ahead.

[A]

Are Democrats demanding health care for illegal aliens?

[B]

Democrats are demanding health care for everybody. We want to save lives. We want to make sure that health care is available to those who would.

[D]

Die but having the help of their government.

[A]

So you're good with the government shutdown.

[B]

Even if it means giving health care to people who aren't American citizens. Well, you keep, that's what you're pushing on. What you're trying to do is you're standing here and you're trying to make me say that somehow we're going to.

[A]

Put non citizens over America's Quidditch.

[B]

Stop it.

[A]

This is the kind of journalism we don't need. You are divisive.

[D]

No, you're not.

[B]

You're being divisive.

[A]

No, please don't. You don't need to ask that question.

[B]

You're just trying to get controversy here. You're not going to get it from me.

[A]

We want to see health care for all people.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you, Congresswoman.

[A]

Appreciate it.

[B]

Good work, girl. She did great. Just simple. So, Brandon, what do you think's going on here?

[C]

No, it's amazing. Like we spend 2.4 trillion on healthcare already. Like what do they want to bring it to? You know, 67 of the budget goes to entitlement. So like what's the number they actually think is realistic? Like are they genuinely trying to bankrupt the country? And you know, when they say the government shutdowns about health care, like nobody in politics understands healthcare. I could assure you that one of the best books about healthcare I've ever read was about by Marty McCurry, the current head of the FDA. And he just goes on to say that even genuine geniuses that have deeply studied the problems with healthcare can't explain it that well and don't understand that well. So if this is about, really about health care, it's not gonna get resolved anytime soon. But the government shutdown thing is silly and I think it'll get resolved pretty quickly without serious impact. Like last time. I appreciated when he did it actually to get the border wall done. That was one epic all time moments in its first administration.

[B]

So what were your success? So let's just say the government shutdown to get something out of it. What would you consider this government shutdown leading to? A success? Tom, I'm going to come to you as well. Brandon, you first.

[C]

Well, that's the, the problem I guess is that it doesn't seem like Trump is asking for anything. It seems like the Democrats are asking to increase the 2.4 trillion in health care spending to something else, which I don't like. I think it needs to go down by a lot, if anything. So I don't think they could break on that. It doesn't. I haven't heard Trump ask for anything. So I, I don't know if it's gonna come to a Resolution.

[B]

Very interesting. Tom, what would you say?

[D]

So here's. Here's what's going on, America, and Brandon, back me up here. There's a thing called a continuing resolution.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

And you'll see cr. You'll see Wall Street Journal, you know, your local. Wherever you're getting news, you'll see CR this week, you know, senators, congressmen arguing over a cr. You have AOC telling the Senate, saying, I am ready and you can negotiate with me directly. Until three senators said, hey, Chick, you're in the House of Representatives. We're the Senate. So they said that. Well, not like that. I said that. But they were like, excuse me, the Senate will negotiate with itself. But she's out there grandstanding. So everybody's grandstanding about cr. What is the cr? The continuing resolution is a bill that says, how to keep a resolution to keep the government continuing. But it goes back to exactly what Vinnie was talking about. Remember when we covered the Inflation Reduction act on this podcast?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And we dove inside and we said, wait a minute. Circumcisions for Tunisia. Remember that?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

There was things in there, but it goes like this.

[B]

What does that mean?

[D]

Hey, Pat.

[B]

Money laundering decisions for Tunisians.

[D]

Hey, Pat, I know you're speaker of the House, and I respect you, sir, but I. You can have my vote. But I gotta have the circumcisions in Tunisia. I need five and a half million. It's going to a foreign aid company organization.

[B]

Really? An epidemic going on over there?

[D]

No, but that's an example. And then they go to Vinnie, and Vinnie says, hey, we're building a dam in Minnesota. I need another 40 million for the dam. You got to hide it in here. And then you're. And then suddenly the continuing resolution is. Is. Is bloated.

[B]

But, Tom, you. You send a clip to Rob. This is something that's important to them, right? The 2019 debate that was taking place. Watch this clip, folks, that Tom send in to rob.

[D]

This goes to Maxine Waters saying, you're trying to make me say this. They speak for themselves.

[B]

That's right. Here, watch this, folks.

[A]

Raise your hand if. If your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.

[B]

Here we go. Raise your hands, folks.

[A]

Look at that. All of them.

[D]

It's unanimous.

[A]

And so. So here's my thing, because now, because as you guys are all talking and Brandon, you, too, you made a good point. Why. Why are the Democrats so. So loud and so proud and willing to shut down the United States government for illegals? And I thought of Brandon, am I right? Or am I wrong? It's for, for votes and it's for power. Because if you promise them health care, then you're creating like this long term dependency. So these people that are coming over for the future voting base, because think about it, there's Tom Holman said there's almost 20 million of them here. I think Trump said that they deported 2 million. Okay, good for you. But that's still 18 million people that are here. And you incentivize them to stay here. And then guess what? We're the party that's going to give you free health care. Vote for us. Because, I mean, why else do Democrats care? They don't give a damn. If you guys think Democrats care about your well being, you're wrong. And look at what this open border that they have, all these illegals here that they want to pay for. How many jobs have Americans lost? How many crimes have been committed towards Americans? How many sexual assaults? I don't want to say the R word, but how much stuff has to happen to prove to Democrat voters they don't care about you, they care about the votes and they care about their power and that's it.

[D]

You hit a great point.

[B]

I get.

[A]

Go for it.

[D]

Side point. If Kamala wins the election, are they pushing this hard for the health care right now?

[A]

Of course not.

[D]

Right. But they lost the election and they're looking for more votes.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

So watch this folks. As we're going through this. There's a story that comes out that says, where's the story here? Democratic Party hits historic low favorability in a new national poll. Here's another one. They had one a month and a half ago. There's another one that comes out. If you guys want to go to this on page 15. Let me go to it here. I thought I had it page of 16, but let me see where 15 is. You have it? If you just give it to me, I'll read it. Oh, I have it right here. 15. I was just looking at the date. That's a 10 one. Okay, here we go. So Democratic Party hits the lows. It sounds. In what sounds like a broken record. The Democratic Party hits another historic low national poll this week. 30% of voters nationwide question in Quinnipac University survey said that they have a favorable opinion of Democratic Party. Let me say that one more time to you folks. 30%, 30. 30%, 30% and 54% said they hold an unfavorable opinion. This is the lowest favorability rating for Democratic Party since the Koenig PAC poll. Began asking voters this question in 08, which means it's never been any lower. The survey's release noted the Quinnipack survey was the latest poll this year that shows this. And obviously there's a lot of this stuff going on. So, Tom, as they're going through this, don't you think. And maybe. Brandon, I'll come to you. Don't you think as they're going through this that they have to sit there and realize this is real numbers? You can't just go up there and keep playing this game. People are not liking it. People are not happy about this. People want to go back to common sense. And the more conservatives and Republicans go to common sense, the more they feel they have to do complete opposite. And they're thinking like, this is our way of winning the vote because we have to go against the grain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And favorability goes lower and lower and lower. What do you think's happening here?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, it's sad when you have to find an entire new voting base because your country distrusts you so much. Like, if they just, you know, like if they just acted like normal people, then they'd be fine. I mean, most people who are Republicans right now used to be Democrats at one point in time. Like a lot of people in my family, a lot of my friends used to be Democrats because Democrats used to be the normal people. But they won't let a normal person get through the gatekeepers in their party. Like they, they've destroyed anybody who's been a threat to the establishment. People like Bernie Sanders and even, you know, when Stephen A. Smith starts acting like he might run for president a couple years, they went on attack mode against him right away. So it's, they're doing it to themselves. And, you know, saying free health care is like saying the war on terror or the war on drugs. It's like this open ended, impossible thing that sounds good but isn't feasible. Like, how about reform the health care system instead of just blankly saying free health care? So, yeah, I think that they need to let a normal person get through the gatekeepers to begin with to get.

[B]

So let me ask you a question, Brandon. How old are you?

[C]

30.

[B]

Just turned 30. Okay, so 30 years old.

[D]

It was a great party, by the way.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So 30 years old. So the question is, where do you see, like, if you're, if they hire you as a consultant, you're a younger guy, you read everything and anything that's on politics, you're, you know, go through the material that's out there. What are two or three areas that you think Democrats could go attack? Think about blue ocean strategy to say if they went here, they can get some common sense people to join them. Where would it be?

[C]

Okay, easy. Both parties should do this. The cost of living, number one. So the immigration affects this too. The cost of a house is. Went From I think $350,000 on average to 475 over the last six years. Like post Covid after printing all the money. So, you know, we used to build 500,000 houses a year in the 70s. Now it's like 50,000 houses a year.

[B]

So massive 500,000 and 70s to 50,000 today.

[C]

Yes. So they don't make it conducive or easy at all for homebuilders to build homes profitably. You know, like my grandfather was a home builder. He said it was very profitable back in the day. But today it's not even worthwhile to try to build a starter sized home. So I think that's number one.

[B]

That's one. I like that, people.

[C]

And then just simply reforming the health care system, like maybe giving government grants to provide more doctors, because it's actually very hard to become a doctor or a PA like they have a limited amount of doctors, they take in their programs. Like really qualified people don't get into the programs a lot of the time. So investing into things. There are shortages and like their shortages and doctors, their shortages and houses. So like addressing market side pain points instead of just saying like, oh, let's throw money at it.

[B]

Okay, give me a third one. So I got the first one, I got the second one. What's the third one?

[C]

How about not being so inclined to go to war? You know, because both parties seem to. That seems to be a really bipartisan thing, is to, you know, just get into other people's business and assist in wars across the country or across the world that we have nothing to do with.

[B]

So how do you do that? How do you do the last one?

[C]

The last one? I would say stop giving money to Ukraine. Say Ukraine. Hey, I'm sorry, it's, you know, unfortunate that you lost some land, but we're gonna have to give some land to Russia because that's the only way around this.

[B]

What if. What if you can get some minerals in return for us to be protected long term? Because they have a lot of good things that they're offering that US has to kind of like what the deal he just did on the lithium deal that the president went in and they bought into it, what, 10% to say, hey, we're going to have this problem in the future. We may as well protect ourselves. I think it was a Canadian company, if I'm not mistaken. Right.

[D]

Canadian is in there and General Motors.

[B]

Yep. So, so, you know, somebody may say to you, well, you know, we kind of need that deal because Ukraine has some of the best resources in the world.

[C]

But we didn't need that deal before this war was happening. And I don't think Ukraine's the only place in the world where we could get those minerals and to, in order to get that deal and to end this war, like so there's, I don't see a way in which they could get that territory back without losing much more than we gain with the mineral deal. You know, Russia has those minerals. I think a lot of countries in that area, even Canada has a lot of the minerals. Canada has like all the minerals we could ever imagine that we would need, most of which Ukraine has. So I think the minerals thing is just something that sounds good.

[B]

Right? So you just have a Tom, what would you say?

[D]

Well, I agree with him because where in that poll that we were just talking about, the Quinnipack poll that led to your question, the Republicans have made gains among black, Hispanic and younger voters and that's it. It wasn't more middle class people, it wasn't more old people. Those blocks were there. It was shifts among black, Hispanic and younger voters that led to the Republicans under Donald Trump winning a little bit more of every county. And we saw the red map. That's why the younger voters, what did they do? They went after social media. They want us. Can we censor the Republicans on social media where the younger voters are and then we can convince the younger voters of this and now they go the other way. Voting block, where's the next voting block? All the undocumented. I don't care where you came from, let's give them something. We will be the generous one. Hey, you just got here, you're in trouble, you're sick. You know, we will be the generous one. It's all about manipulating the voting block. And I think the first two things you said for the younger voters, the cost of living and health care. I happen to agree with that. When you take a look, if you go to get a job, you really need to, to get health care coverage. And young people will tell you that they look for the jobs where the benefit is like for one healthcare, a lot of times you get one person covered, just you or you only have to pay a small amount. And now you have good healthcare, you break your leg, you don't have to go to wait in line at some low, low rent HMO or deal with Medicaid. You can actually go and get a good doctor and get good care. So healthcare is big. And then cost of living, we need more building and we need more starter homes, and we need starter homes. And by the way, we need jobs in cities. We need jobs returned to cities. And we need, like, condos and townhouses, homes that young people could afford in safe cities where their jobs, the whole thing would work if you get one hand washing another on that. But he hit the nail on the head on cost of living.

[A]

I just asked one question, like, I'm just taking a step back and you guys all make great points. It's clearly, it's obvious with the numbers, and the numbers are freaking screaming through the roof. Democrats are there, it's gone. The support is gone. Everything is gone. I don't see them shifting. Does anybody see them changing gears anytime soon? So. And we all know that they could play dirty. Think of it in that sense. What are they going to do? What can they do? Because they know the ship is beyond sinking. Pat, it's. They're done. Everybody, Hispanics, everybody is jumping ship. What is, what is their other option? Brandon, what else?

[C]

If they just gave up, take it.

[A]

But Tom, they don't just take it. Look at, look at the history of what we're just seeing. And the stories are going to come January 6, Russia. These people don't play. They're not, they're not finished.

[D]

Don't think, doesn't work. Rig the voting and just take it and then shift to a socialist Marxist. That's the, that's the globalist agenda.

[B]

They will adjust now to a different place. Let me tell you, Vinny, this goes back to, this goes back to three years ago when Trump lost. It was four years ago, but three years ago, when we're in it, yeah, everybody is like, oh, my God, it's the end of the world. You know, when we're in Covid and we're getting strikes and all this stuff is happening, and my guys are like, pat, what do we do? We got to be creating. And I'm talking to a bunch of the guys. Like, I'm. Back in the days, there was a guy named Brian Rose who did a podcast one time and he had 65,000 live watching him concurrent. And everybody's like, oh, my God, look how many people got watching. He had all these guys that were doing like, this is in 2000. You know, you would see meet Kevin doing great things with podcasts and he was doing a great job every day talking about the. The next stimulus package. The next stimulus package. He was one of the best guys doing it. Graham Stephan was on all these guys that were doing stuff and given their message and you're like, hey, what's going to happen? Who's going to stay up? How long are they going to be able to do this? And I kept saying, let me tell you one thing about common sense, man. Sometimes common sense takes a minute, but it's undefeated. Vinny, Common sense is truly undefeated. It is. And eventually anybody that's manipulative, deceptive, dark, you're eventually going to get exposed. Exposed. And by the way, probably you could have gotten away with it a hundred years ago. Maybe you could have gotten away with it 60 years ago. An assassination attempt happens. You could get away with it because there was only one camera. Yeah, this is the worst time. Yeah, this is the worst time because a podcaster can be saying something and next thing you know, five people can send an anonymous email to you giving you intel on what happened with the FBI, what happened with CIA, what happened with certain things, blowing the whistle in an IND way with an anonymous email giving you all the intel. And no one's going to know. That happens today. Didn't happen 50 years ago, didn't happen six years ago. This is a time that I think Democrats are going to adjust. I just don't know who that person's going to be that's going to come and have that conversation with them. Of course you're seeing a mass exodus of people that are leaving. Their arguments suck right now. Truly, their arguments and their ideas suck. Let me read this article to you. That has nothing to do with politics, but it has to do with bad ideas. So this article here says poll shows liberal women are on a crash course with the dating hell they created. What do you mean crash course? Rob, if you want to pull up the story here. So is there a glimmer of hope for bitter single liberal women? A new study shows from the Institute for Governance and Civics at Florida State University, which knows a lot about this. Cuz they party hardcore. If you know people from Florida State University, they typically get stuck in traffic a lot. Showed that, yes, there might be hope yet for single liberals who hate conservatives so much that they would never be willing to date one. Let me read this again to you. There might be hope yet for single liberals who hate conservatives so much that they would never be willing to Date one. But this study found that that generally as liberal women age and gravity takes over, they become more. That's the article doesn't say that they become more open to dating a conservative man.

[A]

Weird.

[B]

However, their openness with age might be for. Might all be for nothing. According to the study, as conservative men get older, they actually become less open to dating a liberal. The result of the study are not definitive by any stretch of the imagination, though there is a certain kernel of truth to it. There are plenty of young men in the world who might not be full on MAGA die hard, but hold conservative beliefs. They are not so far right as to be unwilling to date a liberal. Right. You just went somewhere. I have a question already for you. That's where I'm going with this. They may have voted for Trump, but they are fairly open minded. Young liberal women on the other hand, would outright reject this person as potential romantic or life partner. It doesn't matter if he voted for Trump, but disagrees with the President's tariffs or deportation policy. There is no nuance for liberal women. They are completely intolerant. And it's this intolerance that leads to conservative men becoming more closed off in older age. Again, this is a Daily Caller story. How many conservative men have seen their relationships blow up because of politics? How many have been rejected just because they think abortion should be reserved for extreme cases like incest or dire medical emergency at Better Fair Share. So Vinny, I got a question for you. You're. You and I are the same age. Okay. But let's go to the 28 year old Vinnie. Yeah. With the 28 year old Vinnie. Considered marrying. Marrying a hot 24 year old liberal AOC voting socialist.

[A]

28.

[B]

28.

[A]

If I wasn't into politics.

[B]

You're not into politics. Of course you would have married her. Of course. Would you have even thought about it?

[A]

No. She's hot. I wouldn't even. Okay.

[B]

Brandon, you're 30.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A, a, a that girl that came that did a commercial for us whom you introduced to us.

[A]

Right.

[B]

If she was a hardcore liberal. Okay, she's dropped at gorgeous. You'll like her. She's attractive. You're probably going to share this with her. He won't stop talking. You ought to go on a date with them already.

[A]

They haven't already.

[B]

By the way, if she's a hardcore liberal. Aoc Armpits. The whole number. She dropped it. Gorgeous. Would you marry her? No. No. Why not? Why wouldn't you marry her?

[C]

Oh, they'll ruin your life.

[B]

What do you mean by that?

[C]

Because they're. They're just nasty.

[B]

Like, she's gorgeous, though.

[C]

I know, but it's like a trap.

[B]

Brandon, be careful. She's hot.

[C]

But the problem is with them is that they. They want to control the relationship. They want control of dynamic, and they. They just have, like this.

[B]

You don't think, as a man, you can impose your, you know, masculine side and raise the kids the way you want? No.

[C]

They'd call that toxic masculinity.

[B]

They would, yes. So even if she's gorgeous, hot. Dropped it. You walk in the mall, everybody's having, you know, Nexus breaking because they're checking out your girl. You don't care. You wouldn't marry it if she was a liberal.

[C]

Mary, No. I might get tricked, like, initially. But Mary, no. That'd ruin your life. You know, you always say you're making the wrong decision with who you marry, and it could ruin your life.

[B]

So true.

[A]

Though, mind you, if I. If I was meaning 28 and, like, his age and, like, involved with politics the way that. Absolutely not. Because the values aren't there, the child upbringing is not there. The letting them be whatever they want, trans, I'm not with that. And then Pat and I understand that there are Democrat Christians. I'm not. I'm not stupid. But do they really give in to God? Are they really going to raise the family?

[B]

What if she's a challenge?

[A]

What do you mean, a challenge?

[B]

Like, you like a challenge. You're like, I think I can convert you. Like, you guys are laying in bed and you kind of drop a MAGA.

[A]

Hat next to her.

[B]

You, like, give her, like, a pink, you know, lingerie with MAGA sticker on the back of it. I spotted from Victoria Sicky. You drop it, she's wearing it. She has no clue. There's a sticker on the back that says. And he said, babe, you look so good. Turn on. Let me take a picture of you. Look at, though.

[A]

And then what is that?

[D]

You put on the home of the Patriot Missile boxer shorts.

[B]

But you wouldn't do it. You're not gonna do it.

[A]

I can't. I can't do it because I already know long run. Like, it's not worth. It's not worth the effort to try to fix her, to get on the.

[B]

Journey that we're so, you know, what's happened with them? Yeah, because the looks, you know, go so quickly, right? Guys, I got kicked in my hand by my son in the pool three months ago. Let me tell you, it's still there. I would have recovered within 24 hours.

[A]

Oh, easy money.

[B]

It's still there. If I was in my 20s, right? It's a very different life. I went to the doctor yesterday. I gave enough blood to, you know, share with a small little village in Africa. Literally, I give so much blood, I'm like, going like this. I'm like, no, there's only like, eight more left. And she keeps taking blood, and I'm just watching the blood squirting into this thing. I'm like, how much more blood do you need from me? Like, I mean, am I getting paid to give you all this blood? No, we just kind of need to test your Whatever stuff. And I'm 46, so the doctor's like, look, you're kind of that age. I said, I know. I'm thinking, I'm gonna do that. 50. Well, the doctor's saying you got to do it at 45. I said, I can take some time. No, you kind of got now.

[A]

Now or never.

[B]

You want me to really do it? Yeah, you got to do it. I said, dude, I don't want to do it. It's a little bit awkward. You got. You know what I'm talking. I know. You just did. A few months ago, it was like, the greatest day of your life. You were coming in here, celebrating, excited. You felt light.

[A]

The doctor was very happy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So.

[B]

But go into it.

[A]

I mean, think.

[B]

Think about this, Tom. Think about this. Think about this. Think about just that. Look right there. Right? Go a little bit lower. Go a little bit lower. They don't want to have kids. They don't want to get married.

[A]

They're angry.

[B]

They hate men. They're angry. But do you think they were born this way?

[A]

No. Pathing. The system did. Because what those women. Look at this group and look at the epidemic that's happening. They're not having kids. And what's the globalist Brandon idea is less people. There's too many. You. You. You've heard it from Bill Gates and them. What's the biggest problem? There's too many human beings. They've said these words. Who was the. The prince? The Duke of Machiavelli? No, no, the guy. The. The guy from England that died. He was a prince, I believe, of York. When they. They said, he goes, you know what? If I die, I would love to come back as a virus just to kill as many people as I can. He's. This is a. A loyal. A royal family member. It's too many people, Pat. And that's what this is. A whole Huge generation of women that are like, I don't need men. I'm independent. All I need is my dog and my cat, Prince Philip. He said if I reincarnated, I'd come back at a deadly virus to solve overpopulation. So that. Whatever.

[B]

Well, I mean, he looks like a total virus. He looks like.

[A]

Somebody tell me that guy.

[D]

He's like a Bond villain.

[A]

He's dead if I'm correct.

[D]

Oh, he was dead.

[A]

He looks like a white walker from Game of Thrones. But my point is, pat, I go on a bigger umbrella.

[B]

It's, it's.

[A]

This is a mission complete. Because look at how many women right now are like, no, I don't need a man. I don't need nothing. I'm independent. But then once it gets to a certain age, it's like, oh, my God, looking back, I was fooled. It's like the people that bought the Russia collusion bought the Trump as Hitler. It's like now it's. Now it's too late.

[B]

Yeah, but that's the part. So where I'm going with this time, and I'll come to you to wrap this one up, unless if you have anything else to say. So where I'm going with this is the following. If your bad policies destroy people's lives and they eventually figure it out, there is nothing worse than, for example. Okay, you guys gonna hear, I'm gonna make an announcement here probably next week. I have been wearing this same exact shoe for the last two weeks. I'm not even kidding. I've been wearing this same exact shoe every day the last two weeks. Okay. The same shoe every day for the last two weeks with three piece suits and everything I wear, I'm wearing a suit right now. I'm about to go to Vegas with everything I'm wearing. I wear the shoe. Right. Do you know what's worse than when you come out with a product and people don't like it, what do they do when they don't like the product? When you, when you go to a store, no worse than bashing. Yeah, we'll come back to this rabble. Show it. So, but when you go back to it, you buy product. What's the worst thing you want to happen with your product? When you, when you come out with.

[A]

A product, like you as a product.

[B]

Maker say you came out with a product.

[A]

Oh, reviews. People, People trashing it.

[B]

What's worse than reviews?

[D]

No, sales.

[B]

What's worse than sales?

[A]

Like something wrong with returns. Yeah, people not wanting it.

[B]

Hey, man, I want a refund.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

This sucks. Yeah, right. I want a refund. We're at the vault conference. Vault ends for the magical event. Do you know how many tickets we sold to next year's ball conference? 4,100 plus tickets to next year's ball conference.

[A]

From one year from.

[B]

From one year from that. That's going to be at the MGM Grand Arena. I mean, people come. I just came as a general four years ago. Then I bought an executive, then I bought five of my guys, then I bought a CEO ticket and came with 28 of my employees.

[D]

What I'm bringing my team next time.

[B]

I mean it's. That's the most beautiful thing. But here's the bad thing about bad products is you're seeing so many people asking for refunds of democratic policies as they age. They're coming back and saying, I want a refund. You destroyed my life. I was a hot 23 year old girl. You convinced me to go around and who cares? My body, body count doesn't count. I went through 68 guys. I did all this stuff and now no man wants to marry me. And everybody wants to know what my body count is. And I'm a Christian woman out. And I want to tell them the truth. But at the same time, when I do, they run. What should I do? What should I do? The only thing I can do is settle for this guy and settle for that guy. What do I do now? Right? Because somebody bottom that sold them that these ideas are okay to buy into. So to me, I do think eventually they have to figure it out. Because Vinnie, if they don't, it's going to be a shellacking for 20 years.

[A]

I think so.

[B]

It's going to be a shellacking for 20 years. I really mean it. It's going to be bad for 20 years. Tom, your thoughts on the story here?

[D]

Well, I'll give you a. A personal experience. I had, you know, I was redoing my kitchen on a house I had. I was single. I hadn't met Kim yet. I would meet Kim like five years later.

[B]

Maybe not an appropriate story.

[D]

No, no, no, no, no. But the, the contractor, his kind of a foreman, was a foreign woman. She went out, checked on the guys and everything.

[B]

She was.

[D]

Yeah, she was like 40 years old.

[B]

I'm telling you, don't do this story.

[A]

No, no, no.

[D]

I didn't date her. But I noticed, I noticed the way she talked to these. She was very attractive. And she was out there every, every day coming by the house, making sure that the cabinet makers are on Time, all this. She was a good foreman for the owner of the construction company. And one day the owner of the construction company says, hey, remember, she's coming to my house. She can. She sees the Ferrari I'm restoring with a million parts in the garage. Right. She sees where I'm living. She sees that I'm single. And she's. I believe she was 40. I was less than that. I was like 34 at the time. And the guy says to me, pat, he says, hey, you know, she's not dating anybody. And I said, no, she. I think she. She thinks. And I remember the word. He says, she thinks you're interesting. And I said, yeah, yeah, that's very nice of you, because I just was trying to be nice. Come out. I'm not interested. Because I thought she seemed. Here comes the word. Bitter. The way she would talk to the guys on the job site, and then I would see her out, then talk on her phone. She just came across to me as like a bitter person.

[A]

So here you have one of the business.

[D]

So guess what? No.

[A]

She wanted the biz, doc.

[D]

So I look back at this, and I just supplied. I said, no, no, thanks. And because I said, no, tell the real story. She was in, like, super nice. She's trying to be more nice.

[A]

She's wearing a tool belt. No, it's like she wearing the tool.

[B]

Belt on my mind, telling me.

[D]

No, no, no, no. I saw it. I saw it. And I feel that she was bitter and she was reaching out.

[B]

She tells her about telling the full story.

[D]

No, I. I had nothing to do with.

[B]

Out. And then Tom.

[D]

I had nothing to do. And she was super. From then on, she was even nicer.

[A]

I will tell you similar stories.

[B]

I said, no, I will tell you something.

[D]

You guys are teasing me.

[B]

I just don't want the whole story, too, because you told me the story, how it went, and she. Upstairs because.

[D]

Yeah, I don't want to get into the.

[B]

That's what I'm saying, you know, if you get.

[D]

No, there was no other story to it because. But the. The survey is right.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

If I had said, yeah, maybe.

[B]

Let's.

[D]

Let's go. Let's go grab hamburger, you know, just have a casual lunch or something.

[B]

Can you run a poll?

[D]

10 minutes in a poll.

[A]

You know what happened?

[D]

10 minutes.

[B]

Run a poll. And I want this to be the poll. How many of you think Tom hooked up with him? Yes or no?

[A]

Run this poll.

[B]

But let's see what the audience thinks.

[D]

We can see what they think.

[B]

Let's see what the audience.

[D]

Cuz you know what's going to happen?

[B]

Just if you're going to tell you.

[D]

Were years ago, five minutes after you're at lunch. How do you feel about abortion? Do you think abortion is a. What do you mean? Like rape, incest or Chuck Schumer? You know what do you believe people?

[B]

People are voting, Tom. They don't believe.

[A]

Oh wow, a thousand seventy, sixty, eighty people listen to the podcast too.

[D]

Come on. I didn't, I'm telling you, I, I saw it though.

[B]

I was looking as a playboy something to her.

[D]

No, she looked bitter.

[B]

But let me tell you, I was.

[D]

Like not interested at this point.

[B]

It's 3,000 votes. She's about to get into the message right now and she's gonna come in, she's gonna get a membership and comment. By the way, if you're out there listening to this, the lady foreman who was kind of bitter, many years ago you had a chance to get the vis doc and you didn't. You had a chance. And if you're there watching this, you can manect Tom, it's been many years. Maybe manect us and give us some intel. But let me tell you the story. Let me tell you, obviously we're having a lot of fun here. We're having a lot of fun here and you know, I will tell you true story. I'm 28, I've already made a decision to get married. I want a wife and I'm talking to four girls and all the four girls I'm seeing who's going to be my wife, who's not one of the girls I really like. And her and I have spent a lot of time together since I was probably 24, 25. We just enjoyed each other's company. Persian girl and she was really cool. I looked past the fact that I took her to a Billy Graham event that took place in Pasadena in 03. It was a November event. Can you Rob, can you pull up to fact check my numbers? Did Billy Graham speak in Pasadena in 2000? Three nights at Rose Bowl. Four nights at Rose Bowl. Type in Rose Bowl. I want to know if it's 03 or 04. I won three out of the four. 04. What was the day?

[C]

04.

[B]

Okay, I took her there. So it was 04. I took her there and I took a bunch of guys there and Billie just crushed it. And I'm trying to see what she's going to be doing. And then fast forward the day before. It's got to be like a week before Jen and I Start dating. I'm single, and we're at a bar in Pasadena, Opez. And she is telling me, pat, please be honest with me. Do you want to be with me? Because I love you. I want to be with you, but I. You're gonna break my heart. If we get together and you leave me, I will be destroyed. Please don't do that to me. And she's crying, telling me this at the bar at 1 o' clock in the morning. And I truly enjoy this girl's company. Nothing's happened with Jen. Jen and I are not on a date. This is a week before Jen and I start dating. And I'm sitting there and I'm just kind of going through it. I'm like, dude, politically, you're a hardcore John Kerry person. You're unicef. You know, this person, she hated Republicans. And I'm not even a political person at this time. I'm just a 28 year old guy that's just making money. That's. I'm not even talking politics. I'm just trying to do my thing. But I had to, in that moment say, she says, only pursue me if you know you're gonna marry me one day, please. And I said, I know I can't marry you one day, so I can't do this. And I walked away. And she's in tears, crying, but says, thank you. We hugged. It's the last time I ever spoke to her. I was 28 years old. So then this lady foreman showed up.

[A]

Okay, and you hooked up with her.

[D]

On the way home. And 20 years later, we meet each other and we say, the foreman. The foreman.

[B]

And she said, hey, listen, I was working for this one fellow, call him a biz doc. And he never introduced me to his biz dog. I don't even want to marry you.

[A]

He's talking about.

[B]

I'm singing like, you know, she's playing the other song Jacket is let's get married. I'm like, dude, I don't want to get married. I just want to.

[A]

Like, oh, man.

[B]

But anyway, so that. True story, true story. Simply because the kids would be confused. When it comes down to the values and principles I want to share, marriage is already hard enough when politically you're on opposite sides. It is so challenging. A Christian can marry a Catholic, a Christian can marry a Jew. But their own on the same side, politically, they have a higher chance of making it than a Christian marrying a Christian. Where one's a socialist and one's a Republican. Yeah. No policies and ideas got to be on the Same page. And anyways, John Kerry, it was all your fault, just so you know that. But what an incredible foreman she was. I mean, you got time. All right, let's get to the next story here. Let's get to next to Pete. Hexit wants you to get in shape, folks, and he's like, sick of it, okay? No more, you know, eating cheesecake six nights a week and putting on weight. And you can only run a 2 mile in 17 minutes and 58 seconds. He wants you to get in shape. And some people don't like that. Some people want their military veterans to be little fatties going out there to where they get tired after jogging for two minutes, like the people at the View. But Pete wants you to be in shape. Pete wants you to do pull ups, push ups, get back into masculine soldiers that we have. And this is a speech that he gave. And some people are not happy about this. Go ahead, Rob.

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[A]

Frankly, it's tiring to look out at combat formations or really any formation and see fat troops. Likewise, it's completely unacceptable to see fat generals and admirals in the halls of the Pentagon. Fat general commands around the country, in the world.

[B]

It's a fat general, it is bad.

[A]

Damn. Not who we are.

[B]

Okay, so listen, that's fat shaming to some people, right? He continues. Rob, is this another one?

[D]

Yeah, I have a bunch of clips. This is him talking about him not wanting his sons to fight with overweight troops.

[B]

Yeah, he doesn't want that. Go ahead, Rob.

[A]

My son serving alongside troops who are out of shape or in combat unit with females who can't meet the same combat arms physical standards as men or troops who are not fully proficient on their assigned weapons platform or task, or under a leader who was the first, but not the best standards must be uniform, gender neutral and high.

[B]

Okay, so he's saying this now. Sunny Hostin. Rob, if you can find out from the View, she finds it slightly, you know, inappropriate. Why would we want to do this? What's wrong with having fat people in the military? Go ahead, Robbie.

[D]

The optics were terrible. Yeah, Meaning all of Our top military.

[A]

Brass are all in one place, and.

[B]

We spent $6 million to get them there. That didn't make a lot of sense to me. It also didn't make a lot of.

[D]

Sense to me that he was saying.

[B]

That he was going to toughen physical standards and review the anti hazing policy.

[D]

By sort of implementing a hazing policy.

[B]

And then also he said he was.

[D]

Going to return to the highest male.

[B]

Standard for combat positions because the troops were fat.

[D]

I don't understand how that was supposed.

[B]

To be an uplifting message for our military.

[D]

Maybe he's referring to Colonel Sanders. It was really a bizarre thing.

[B]

He started talking about woke DEI policies. By the way, there are no gender quotas in the military. By the way, he fired more than a dozen military leaders, many of them people of color and women. He fired the chairman of the joint Chief of Staff, General Charles Brown Jr. Who is African American. He fired the first woman to command the Navy, Admiral Lisa Franketti. I. I just.

[D]

I don't understand the sort of hypocrisy of firing these people, having all these people meet together and then denigrating that.

[C]

Did you see, did you look at it?

[A]

They look like they're looking at him like two heads.

[B]

Okay, Vinny.

[A]

Okay, well, first of all, I absolutely love what he did. It's, by the way, the military, for everybody that knows out there, it's not a. It's not a fashion show. It's not a freaking summer camp. We are in the business of war, and war is having trained killers to go and fight and fight the enemy, okay? And we have to be war ready at every single moment. Okay, look, have you seen videos of China and Russia? Brandon, those people do not play games over here. Like, last, the last four years, when Biden was in, I was watching more transgender TikTok videos of guys like, yes. On, like, on aircraft carriers and all that stuff. It's like, guys, that's not what we need. And this is the prime example of DEI will have you die. Okay, I'm sorry. And I'm. I'm not sorry because even. Did you notice the views audience? Not a laugh, not an applause, not nothing. I want my soldiers because they're not stupid, Pat. Yeah, because at the end of the day, remember Jack Nicholson and A Few Good Men? You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. That's who you need. You need a soldier like that, like Pete Hexapath. Listen, with all the stuff that's happening inside of America, we could argue, we could fight. Gaze this bathrooms all that, whatever. When it comes to war and protecting the country, you need a leader like that. You need trained killers to go out there and fight for us. When it comes down to it, thank God we haven't had anything crazy since, you know, 9, 11, Iraq and all that stuff. But Pat, that's the attitude. And I'm sorry those generals. Get your ass in shape. He's only having 2. How many PT tests a year did you have, Pat? I had one. We had one. And we had to take care of ourselves. And if he's taking care of himself and he's a secretary of war, all.

[D]

Those other guys tell people what a PT test is.

[A]

Push. It's push ups, sit ups and a two mile run and pull ups. Okay? And you have to do it within a specific amount of time and reps. Because, guys, at the end of the day, if, God forbid, crap hits the fan, we're going to war. You don't want some overweight guys or some people that are like, you know, my feelings. I'm trans, you know.

[B]

You know the thing with the Sunny. Hostin, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Am I saying her last name?

[A]

Hostin. Okay.

[B]

Would you say she's pretty?

[D]

I think she's.

[A]

She's a good looking girl.

[B]

I think she's gorgeous. Yeah. I think. Let's just say it. I'm not gonna, you know, if you pull up her pictures, I think she's beautiful.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Sonny, do you think you get the job that you have if you were 80 pounds heavier? Why not? Do you think you get the show the job that you have if you were 80 pounds heavier?

[D]

Well, they give it.

[B]

Do you think? No, but, but, no, but Whoopi is actually a lot older. But Whoopi's a very, very, very, very famous individual. An actress. She's made it. Okay, but do you think Sonny gets the job if she's not that attractive?

[A]

No.

[B]

Do you think Sonny woke up one day and looked like that? How hard do you think Sonny works out?

[A]

Oh, she's.

[B]

How hard do you think Sonny goes to the gym? The way she takes care of her. Sorry, Sonny. How hard is it to look like you? So why shouldn't we have that expectation of them? Why are you playing a victim for these other guys? I'm feeling sorry for him. How much does Sonny make per year? Can you tap on how much Sonny makes per year? What does Sonny make per year? What's her salary?

[A]

I'm gonna. Six million, let's say.

[B]

I don't know what it is, but whatever. 5 million. Guess what she deserves it because she takes care of her body. Now, do I agree with her politics and all this other stuff?

[A]

No.

[B]

Even a guy that doesn't agree with your politics respects the hell out of you working out. And by the way, guess what's never going to happen. Oh, we're under war. Is Sonny Hussle ready to go to war? They don't care if you're going to go to war or not, but we do with the folks in the military.

[A]

Bingo.

[B]

And let me tell you, I saw a lot of generals when I was in the military that were out of shape. My colonel, Lt. Col. Peacocks, was in top shape. He's a general now on in tops. You respected the hell out of that guy. It was nothing like chasing a man that was 20 years older than you that was running 13 miles. Thirteen a minute. A minute, two miles. You're like, dude, that's why they had the moral authority to punk you a little bit. Hey, this old man's whooping your ass. Don't let this old man. Don't let this old man. You know, your left, your right. Hey, get you. It was such a great thing to see somebody doing that. So even for Sonny, when you're going out there playing this political that you're playing, you still work your ass off to look like the way you do. They need to work their ass off to make sure we're protected. I don't see any problems with that. That they need to be doing that. I'm so glad Hex Head is doing this. There's another clip I want to play before I come to Tom and Brandon. Rob, if you want to play the other clip by Pete Hexen and then Tom, I'm coming to you. I think this is the one. Go for it.

[A]

No more identity months.

[D]

DEI offices.

[A]

Dudes in dresses.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Bingo. No more climate change worship. Let's go. More division distraction or gender delusions. No more debris.

[B]

Good.

[A]

As I've said before, and we'll say again, we are done with that.

[B]

Nice. And by the way, that's exactly how I view the leader of the military to speak, period. Like that.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

You want to see him speak like that? You go back and think about in the history books with Ulysses S. Grant or some of these guys that maybe would have drank or partied on. But when it came down to war and Lincoln needed somebody to get the job done, it wasn't McClellan that got the job done done. It wasn't a lot of other guys. It was Grant who was a little bit Rough around the edges that was able to go out there and talk to the troops and they respected the hell out of him. He got the job done. And to me, I'm getting the vibe that he's doing this. And by the way, you know, good for him because at first I was a little bit like, you're going to go from TV to this. But I'm loving the way he is going about this, the way he's driving the initiatives for military. I prefer this. Tom, your thoughts on this?

[D]

Well, common sense is making a comeback because you know what? A poll of American people yesterday, 2 to 1, 2 to 1 believe women should be allowed in combat roles. 2 to 1. However, there's a comma and 77% felt they must meet if they must meet the physical requirements of the job. So two to one says if he if your daughter wants to go off in the army and wants to be a Green beret, okay. But 77 said she better measure up to the requirement.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Isn't that interesting?

[A]

And it's lead by example.

[D]

There it is, upside down. Only 25% think women should have lower physical requirements. That means 75. I read 77 think that they have to meet the requirements.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Common sense is making a comeback.

[A]

Yeah. And you nailed it. He look at him. Look at how much shape he's in. You have to lead by example. You can't be even a full bird colonel going, hey, here's the standards that the secretary of war passed on for me to you, but you're out of shape. Nah, bro, I want but like other countries have to look at us guys and be fearful. You know what I mean? During Biden, bro, let me explain something to you. They were laughing at us. They were laughing at us. And now it's serious business.

[D]

Pat, you used to share a story. I love you said there was an older. I don't know if he's a drill sergeant or a colonel or somebody that three of you needed an attitude adjustment. And he took you out to the back corner. What happened there? And he was older than you.

[B]

Of course he was. He was 20 or 15 years older than us. He took us to the back and we were acting like we're gangsters and tough. And he says, oh, really? You guys are gangsters. You're tough. No problem. Gets into humy. We go to the back and takes his rank off and says, okay, who wants to go first? And we're like Dr. He wasn't a big guy. He was a 58 guy. 5, 8 and 5, 8, 5 5, 9 guy, and we're big boys. And since he wants to go for, like, drill Sar. We don't want to hurt you. I won't tell anybody. I'm good. He was one of those guys that was a black guy that talked so slow.

[A]

Oh, God, the scary private bet.

[B]

David, I need you to drop and give me 20 right now. He spoke like that. Everybody else would scream. This guy would speak to you like, dead.

[A]

It's even scarier.

[B]

You're dead. And he beat. But he was so smart about the way he beat us. He only hit us in our stomach, didn't hit us, no bruises. Everything was here, and we were like, we're done. And he brought us back. Wherever he is right now because of that, I have mental issues. Brandon, go for it.

[C]

Yeah, so I'm in. I look incredibly favorably upon fat shaming. I think it's really good. Necessary.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, because I think it's like. Like to say fat shaming is bad. Is like to say smoke shaming is bad. Like, to say if you say it's negative to smoke cigarettes, like, would we say that's socially unacceptable? No, it's, like, objectively unhealthy to be fat. So, you know, in the military, in the police department, in the fire departments, you know, you still. You still see fat people in those departments. And then in the military, too. I. I know a lot of guys in the military, and they said in 2018, it went from you would discipline people and they call them smoking them out and stuff for things, and to higher ranking people were literally afraid to do that to newer people because they could get in trouble and lose their rank or lose their. Their jobs and get kicked out of the military. So literally, privates were disrespecting higher ranked people after 2018 because they were no longer able to discipline them because of the way that, like, the HR stuff got in the military. They went from the. They called it Shark Week to the Thunder Run. So they. They changed all the hazing stuff. They, like, took hazing out of the military, and that's detrimental.

[A]

Well, then, as I was leaving, as the great point, Brandon, as I was leaving the military, 2001, 2002, they started doing forms. Like, they started giving. Like, if somebody yelled at you too much, you could write it. And, like, I'm not even joking. And. And I'm like, leaving, and I'm like, bye. Yeah, it got soft.

[D]

You know, it's bureaucracy if there's a form.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So how are you supposed to instill fear and respect into People if you can't hold them accountable.

[A]

No, I want, I want, I want killers, bro. Like, we need, we need killers. We don't need emotion.

[B]

I'm with it. I'm with it. I'm with it. So, you know, we'll see. We'll see what's gonna happen. By the way, Rob ran a poll. Rob, can you pull up the last poll you ran? Not about that time. We all know what happened there. No, no, it's a different poll that Rob ran about being in shape. Look at the percentage of how people voted. Look at the percentage of how people voted.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

7,300 people voted. Do you think members of the U.S. military should be in fit and in top shape? I guarantee 98% said yes. And that's 2% that did it. Can I sell you some cheesecake? We have a new value. Tame of future looks. Pride. It's faith over fear. Cheesecake. I got some faith over. I'm not afraid that I'm going to get fat eating this cheesecake. We got it for you. Shipping it to you right now for only 29 bucks.

[D]

It's all in how you take the survey. Are you in favor of military being strong enough to kick the enemy's ass so the enemy doesn't kick yours? Yes, yes, I'm in favor of.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. So funny.

[B]

Okay. All right, so let's go to the next story. Let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get to is Trump and Netanyahu announce peace plan. Folks, US President halls one of the greatest days in civilization as he reveals the 20 point roadmap to end Israel, Hamas war and for him to help run Gaza with Tony Blair. Okay, here they are. Go for it, Rob. This is a big, big day, a beautiful day. Potentially beautiful day. One of the great days ever in civilization.

[D]

Things that have been going on for.

[B]

Hundreds of years and thousands of years.

[A]

We're going to, at least we're at.

[B]

A minimum very, very close. And I think we're beyond very close. And I want to thank Bibi for really getting in there and doing a job. We've worked well together as we have with many other countries, both of us.

[D]

With many other countries, which is the.

[B]

Only way this whole situation get solved. And I'm not just talking about Gaza.

[D]

Gaza is one thing, but we're talking.

[B]

About much beyond Gaza.

[A]

The whole deal, everything getting solved.

[D]

It's called peace in the Middle East.

[B]

So today is a historic day for.

[D]

Peace and Prime Minister Netanyahu.

[B]

Rob, you want to pull up and I just concluded an important because in that 20 point plan, just so you guys know, I believe Netanyahu apologizes for the Israel's Qatar strike. Okay, Deep regret. Expressed deep regret to his Qatari Counterpart Monday over September 9th strike aimed at Hamas leaders in Doha and Jewish state and yeah, so that came from him. And then at the same time. So here we go. Prime Minister Alan Thompson welcomed these assurances emphasizing Qatar's readiness to continue contributing meaningfully to regional security and stability. Prime Minister Anti Eric expressed commitment to the same Israel has long expressed annoyance that Qatar plays a key role in the Middle east peace negotiations despite hosting Hamas political leaders. The September 9 attack had targeted top terror figures as they gathered with Qatari mediations for another round of cease fire discussions. But here's a 20 point plan that they have in place. Gaza will be de radicalized Terror free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors. Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefits of the people of Gaza who have suffered more than enough. If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment will be suspended and the battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete stage withdrawal. Within 24 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement. 72, 72, 72 hours. All hostages alive and disease will be returned and diseased alive or dead. Got it? Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentenced prisoners plus 1700 Gazans who were detained after 10-7-2023, including all women, children and detained. In this context. For all every Israeli hostage who remains are released, Israel will release the. Rob, I can't read the last part. Will release the Something something.

[D]

The remains of the 15 deceased gods.

[B]

Okay, let's go to point number six. Once all hostages are returning, Hamas members who commit the peaceful coexistence, then decommission and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passages to receive countries receiving countries.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Who's going to receive?

[D]

Egypt and Jordan have said no.

[B]

Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into Gaza Strip. At a minimum, eight quantities will be consistent with what was included in January 19, 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian aid including rehabilitation of infrastructure, water, electricity and sewage. Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United nations and its agencies and Red Crescent. Rob, go to the next one okay, opening the Rafah Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of technocratic interesting apolitical Palestinian committee responsible for delivering the day to day running of all public services and municipalities of the people of Gaza. Huh? Okay. Palestinian international oversight supervision and a new international transitional body, the Board of Peace, which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J. Trump. Wow. With other members and head of state announced, including former Prime Minister Tony Blair, this body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such a time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform program. 10. A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energize Gaza will be created by coveting a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracles cities in the Middle East. Go to the next one, Rob. 11. A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries. No one will be forced to leave Gaza and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. Good. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza. Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza directly or indirectly. That's big in or any form if they'll be able to pull that off. All military, terror and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities will be destroyed, not rebuilt. Huh? A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas and the factions comply with their obligations. And Rob, go a little bit and the new Gaza can't see. The new Gaza poses no threat to its neighbors or its people. Okay, let's go to 15. Do you have 15? 16 or I do I have 16 through 20? Yes, here. Boom boom. We're almost there, so let's just wrap it.

[D]

There you go.

[B]

Israel will not comply or annex Gaza. Occupy Will not occupy or annex Gaza's ISF establishes control and stability. The Israel Defense Force will withdraw based on standards, milestones and time frames linked to demilitization that will be agreed upon and then go to 17. And event Hamas rejects or delays his proposal, the above including the scaled up eight operation will proceed and the terror area free areas handed over from IDF to the ISF and interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful exist coexistence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be deprived from peace while Gaza redevelopment advances. And when the PA reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self determination, statehood, and last but not least, the US will establish a dialogue between Israel and Palestinians to agree upon a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous coexistence. Brandon, your thoughts on this?

[C]

Yeah, so it's great if that's true. I think that unfortunately, the reason that this is being talked about right now is because they're gearing up to go back after Iran. Just based off Rob, I sent you an article that US refueling tankers are being sent over to the Middle east in heavy numbers. And that's the. It's the biggest amount of the activity since the last attack on Iran. So, yeah, I would love to see this plan be carried out. Like a lot of the big things is that they're not going to be forcing them to leave Gaza because that'd be messy, that they're not gonna. That they're not gonna let Hamas keep running the country because there was a lot of assistance to let Hamas run the country instead of the Palestinian Authority. So, you know, I think all those things are good points and necessary to, you know, create the best situation that's possible there. But I am concerned that this is probably gearing up to let attention go back to Iran.

[B]

Vinnie, what do you think about some explosion?

[A]

All I was watching. All I was watching was your drink fizzing up. But I mean, on paper it looks great. But at the end of the day, what are we talking about from a military standpoint? It's Hamas is in the tunnels with the hostages. Ok, like that's the main goal. What operation? I still don't believe, because America, I don't know how Israel does it. America doesn't negotiate with terrorists, period. End of story. We don't do it. So this situation is getting back these. How many hostages are left, you guys? Is there a number?

[B]

50? What was the number? I may be wrong.

[A]

It's in the ballpark. Yeah, it's in that ballpark. But at the end of the day, what are we talking about? We are talking about 48 hostages, 48 left. And I literally pray for them every single day for anybody that's. That's held hostage there. But we have to be realistic. These people have been probably tortured for what's been two years right now. The end goal is like, this should have been done. Everything that's talking about that with all these strikes and all the, everything, Brandon should have been done immediately at October 7th. We've been dragging this on for a long time. I don't see Hamas coming to the table and going, yeah, okay, you can't Trust them. Okay. You can't trust terrorists. So I think it's been dragged on for way too long. Again, all this looks good on paper, but at the end of the day, is Hamas going to agree with a 20 point plan?

[B]

Let me ask you, if they, if Hamas rejects, but hear me out for a second. Israel is agreeing to this?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. And remember, I don't think Israel wants this. Okay, okay, but they're agreeing to this. So now if Hamas is rejecting this deal and you're seeing the leader of Hamas. No, we're okay. Every once in a while there's a price for freedom and all this other stuff, who does the onus fall on?

[A]

It's going to be on Hamas. Guess what then? And I hate. And I just said that I pray for them. I'm going to pray for them even more because they're like they're going to kill everybody. And guess what? To make an omelet, sometimes you're going to break a couple of eggs. It's not going to be good for them. It's not going to be good because that's the, the end game. Because even if they try to negotiate. We're talking about Hamas, Tom. We're talking about Hamas.

[B]

Did you see the interview that the Hamas leader did with cnn? Rob, can you pull that up? Did you see what he had to say? Okay, so the leader of Hamas did an interview with cnn. Rob, I just texted it to you. If you can go halfway through, the interviewer pushes the leader of Hamas. You just got the text and says, are you willing to do it at the cost of are you willing? So eventually it's kind of like that moment of I want the truth. You can't handle the truth. And then eventually he says it.

[A]

Ok.

[B]

He says, yeah, and if you can go halfway. Rob, this is the leader of Hamas sitting down with CNN. Go to about a minute minute 40. Mark. Minute 30. Mark. Right there. Brutality. Keep going. Atrocity.

[A]

Do you have gunpowder on his forehead?

[B]

Occupation things go at the moment. History of the world. Okay, sir, okay, okay. Go back Right there, right there. Go back one more second. Beautiful. Go for it. Right, right there. Change now.

[C]

Sir, you were just saying that as a result of October 7th, you are.

[A]

Seeing millions of people marching in the streets.

[C]

You are seeing countries recognized by Palestine as a state. You are seeing legitimacy for your people.

[A]

And I am asking you whether the.

[C]

Price that Palestinian people have paid so.

[A]

Far was worth it.

[B]

I know the price so high. But I must go again. What is the.

[C]

What is it?

[B]

What is, what is the what is the option left to the policy? You know what? We waited for a peaceful process, for a peaceful means since 1993, since Oslo agreement. Tell now. But I think we got the big deal. Let me, let me show you the.

[C]

Words of your people.

[A]

Okay. These are people in Gaza. And I want you to hear because your own people in Gaza say that you do have responsibility for the situation.

[C]

I'd like to show you this.

[B]

Watch.

[C]

This is not it.

[B]

There's, there's, there's. I have seen this.

[C]

Yes, yes.

[B]

There is more.

[A]

Now Hamas knows who that guy.

[B]

I would like you to.

[A]

There are three people here.

[C]

I would like you to hear their voice.

[B]

I know people are suffering. There are some people playing Hamas.

[C]

Why will you not listen to the.

[A]

Voices of Palestinian people in Gaza?

[B]

I know this is. But look, this is not the whole story. I know because this is because of the Israeli crimes in the, in the Gaza Strip.

[A]

It seems, it seems that, you know.

[B]

See what happens right here. So this is the part where when you go back and forth and you watch who is willing, who is not. Who started this one? Hamas started this one. Israel's coming back and saying we're going to destroy you. And then now Israel's agreeing to pump the brakes because you're right. And even you know, I know something's about to happen in Iran. Something's going on over there on the other side. Tom, how do you process this yourself?

[D]

So I could only get through like the first five points and then I sat back and said, okay, how the hell are they gonna remove Hamas? How is it going to be de radicalized?

[B]

And if we have a place there, Tom, how did Trump get rid of isis?

[A]

He just killed everybody.

[B]

I want you to think about this.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Because bonk, bonk, bonk. How did Trump get rid of isis? What happened to isis? The only thing you hear about right now is ISIS in certain factions of it in Nigeria, what they're doing and killing the 125 pastors or another faction you hear in Canada that burned down 112 different churches in Canada, mainly Catholic churches. You're hearing about that. Right? But if US is involved, you don't think he's shivering right now?

[D]

I think so. But the other thing I got to in those first five points was and 250 healthy life sentenced prisoners. How did those people end up in Israeli prisons as life sentences? They're killers and they killed and they committed acts of terrorism. So you're going to take 250 guys out of prison terrorists. Now let me give you a copy of this. This is a 20 point plan. And point four and five is you're not going to be radical anymore, but we're letting you go back over here.

[A]

Okay?

[D]

So I, I hope that something comes out of this, but I clearly see it's just like you pointed out in that clip right there, that there are. The citizens want this, so the citizens are going to have to hold part of the. It's hard to say this, but the citizens are actually trying to hold some of the Hamas leadership to accountability. These are people showing their faces in front of TV cameras and are saying things. They're disconnected from reality and what I'm facing here. And I hope for those citizens that they get Gaza back so they can live and prosper with their families. I hope they're innocent. But I look at taking 250 terrorists, you know, in prison on life sentences, and you're making a hostage trade with them, and you're going to de. Radicalize it as long as we're involved, you know. But, man, I worry about that. I worry about that. There's still a group there.

[B]

Fully with you. I'm fully with you. Go for Brand.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

No. So this is a map of ISIS activity from 2015 and 2019. Like you said, we completely wiped it out in the course of a couple of years. And I wonder, though, if that's because we had bases in that area and maybe it was easier to do because of that. I don't know if it's that.

[B]

That's where I'm going, though. What I'm, what I'm trying to say is, notice what he said. It's going to be overseen by a board led by who? Donald J. Trump? So guess what? If you cross him, right, you're crossing him, he's going to do to you what he did twice is right. So to me, an element of him finally being involved and people sitting there saying, okay, if this is going to be the case now, what are we going to be doing now? Does this mean the attention is going to go from here to Iran? Maybe. You know, if all of a sudden we see stuff that's going on with Iran right now escalate very, very quickly also, don't be surprised because I don't think they're done there. I, I don't think that's, that's.

[C]

We got a lot of these things going on at once, too, because, I mean, like, this can't. We don't want this to be an Iraq 2.0 where we don't have leadership There, like if they take out Hamas. Right, like if they take out Hamas. So they're going to put a puppet leader in because that's not really stable.

[B]

Yeah, well, I mean, what, what a lot of people on the inside are saying they would like this to lead to an election where Iranians can actually vote for who they want. Now will that happen? Will they allow that to happen? Who knows whether they'll allow that to happen or not. And who is going to take his place over? Who is that going to be? You know, who are they going to have in that place? So, Rob, what is this here?

[D]

This is Netanyahu just last week at.

[C]

The UN where he talked about the.

[D]

Iranian people getting their freedom.

[B]

Right, right. Go for it. The long suffering Iranian people will regain their freedom. They will make Iran great again. And our two ancient peoples, our two ancient peoples, the people of Israel and the people of Iran, will restore a friendship that will benefit the entire world. Okay, so now, you know, obviously Iranian people are sick of what's going on there. Can Israel play a big role in that? I think it can. Is us going to need to get involved for the Iran regime to fall? No question. Of course it's not going to happen without it. Israel cannot do without us. So this is why. What are the chances, you think that Netanyahu apologized to Qatar, that Trump said, you better apologize or else, because you're ruining my relationship with other dealings that I'm doing? What are the chances?

[D]

I'm over 90?

[B]

I'm 100%. I'm 100% with this. And I mean 100%. I mean, of course nobody knows for a fact, but I'm up there to the point where I know he's going to say, hey, you better, you better do this or else I'm not going to defend you. Why are you doing something like, you know, that whole call that everybody talks about, the shouting match call that happened with Trump screaming at Netanyahu, how much you think that happened?

[A]

I'm over 90 again.

[B]

Yeah, same place. So again, the main common denominator of the trust goes to who? To one guy. If the one guy is involved, I'm more comfortable of how these things could be executed if he's not involved. You know, and by the way, flip the story. Put Kamala being that one person who fears him. Hamas fears Kamala.

[A]

No.

[B]

Will Hamas feel Biden fear Biden? No. They're sitting there saying, thank God, you know, it's Biden or Kamala. This is the worst thing that ever happened to Russia, to China. To Iran, to everybody that this guy is now in. Nobody wants this guy to be in because whatever he says has to go and he's getting a lot of stuff done. So we'll see what happened here. Let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get to is Charlie Javis. Folks, after this story, to all the single men watching this, we have some extremely life changing advice for you. We'll get to that. But first, Charlie Javis gets seven years for defrauding JP Morgan Chase. Seven years While he's getting this, Rob, go ahead and play this clip first and then we'll go through the whole thing.

[A]

She was once a star CEO on the Forbes 30 under 30 list. But now a judge has sentenced this startup founder turned fraudster to seven years in prison after being convicted of duping a major investment bank out of a staggering $175 million. We started Frank with really thinking about how are we the ally for the student and the family? Charlie Javice sold her startup company called Frank to JPMorgan Chase back in 2021. At the time she claimed her company, which helped streamline the financial aid process for low income college students, had millions of users.

[B]

But after the deal went through, JP.

[A]

Morgan discovered that number was close to just 300,000 and Javiz had fabricated most of the user information. Javiz, now 33, was convicted in March. Prosecutors requesting a 12 year prison sentence. But her lawyer asking for lenience, dismissing comparisons between Javiz and disgraced entrepreneur Elizabeth Holmes, claiming that Javis's company was real unlike Holmes Co. Theranos, which sold a fake blood testing product. Javis lawyer also arguing the bank shouldered some responsibility. It was a 28 year old versus 300 investment bankers from the largest bank in the world. And claiming they rushed the acquisition. The judge agreeing the bankers do shoulder some blame but adding the sentencing hearing was about punishing Javis's conduct, not JP Morgan's stupidity. The judge also ordering Javiz to pay nearly $300 million in restitution, telling her.

[B]

I don't think you'll be committing other.

[A]

Crimes, but others have to be deterred.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

And Javiz remains free.

[D]

Well, I'll tell you, this is, this is the dark side of startups and there's so many people that come to the vault that are honest people just trying to build a business and then there are people that get out there that say fake it till you make it, you know, put together, you know, you don't know if it's going to work. But you know what? It's the venture capitalist money. I've heard young people and entrepreneurs openly say that there are things in their deck that weren't accurate and stuff. And this is what happens. This is. That's upstream. This is downstream. Downstream, you end up in a pond of your own deceit. And then every now and then, somebody speaks up. And this was J.P. morgan. And so the whole defense here about, oh, J.P. morgan, and the comment by the commentator there, I'll read out the exact words of the lawyer. It says, and it was Judge Hellerstein. So, Judge Hellerstein, we would never ask you to punish JP Morgan's stupidity, but we submit that it's a relevant factor. In other words, our clients are criminal, but the victim was too stupid. That's like saying that if. That if. That if your kid stole the lunch money from an autistic kid, that your kid shouldn't be punished because the autistic kid was too dumb. No, this is. This shows her hubris. And I'm glad this has happened because this is a cautionary tale. There are good entrepreneurs out there that are trying to get investment, that are trying to get their companies going, and then there's these people out here that just sell it like this. And by the way, Adam Newman, the guy from WeWork that defrauded SoftBank, I'm still wondering why he didn't end up floating in the Hudson. Because he defrauded some very big international people of 2 billion with the b.

[B]

You're just using figurative speech.

[A]

Yeah, he's. He's shocked that he wasn't swimming.

[D]

No, I'm saying. Yeah, well, suspicious. No, no, I'm not wishing death on him. I'm the same. But when you defraud some big people, sometimes big people play big people games. Oh, it's not fun.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

So sometimes these big people show up with, like, big female Foreman type. Just like, like.

[D]

But I think. But no, this is. This is a cautionary tale, and I'm glad to see it. And if she's sitting in the prison courtyard playing checkers with Elizabeth Holmes, well, guess what? Good for you. Go away for seven years and think about it.

[B]

You just pissed Tom off. Charlie, what is wrong with you? We were having a good conversation.

[A]

You pissed off Charlie.

[B]

Brandon, what do you have to say about this?

[C]

Yeah, I might surprise you guys here. So this actually annoys me that, like, I. I get. She deserves what happened here, but nothing happened to the banks in 2008 when they stole money from people. They defrauded the entire country with bad mortgages. And then nothing happened to them. Not only did nothing happen to them, but they were given money by the government with the promise of, okay, yeah, we'll stimulate the economy with the money that you give us. Paid themselves, bonuses. So, like, you know, if anybody watched the big Short, there's only one random guy who went to jail for that.

[D]

The guy from deutsche Bank. Yeah. 32 year old guy from Deutsche. Because he lied.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, so it's ridiculous. I mean, I get. Yeah, she definitely.

[B]

You're not alone.

[C]

She definitely deserves to go to jail. But I think a lot of people should have went to jail for what happened in 2008.

[B]

Yeah, you are. All right, so listen all to all the single folks. You know, if you got kids, you may want to listen to this. So there's a man so I'm calling philosopher, modern day Aristotle. His name is Judge Grady from Polk County. Rob Polk. He wants to share something with you guys. And it's a very sentimental but accurate assessment of what could happen if you go get a prostitute in Polk county and some other places in America. And it's so bad and so true that his partner behind him, one of his direct reports, can't even hold himself together, folks. But the level of wisdom is on a whole different level. So whatever you're doing, if you're driving and listen to the podcast, just please keep your eyes on the road or pull over because this is dangerous stuff. Go ahead, Rob.

[D]

This is Polk, not Polk County. Right.

[B]

Do that one more time. Do that one more time. Make fun of my accident one more time. Go ahead, Rob. There's things in life. Just believe.

[D]

So you order up a prostitute.

[B]

Right. This prostitute lives with his mother, by the way.

[D]

He's got a massive criminal history.

[B]

Notice what she said. This prostitute lives with his mother. Yeah. To just continue. It's a very important detail. Go ahead, Rob.

[D]

Your criminal history with 31 criminal charges. So you order up a prostitute, and.

[B]

That'S what you think you're getting. Now, when you look at that, you go, wow, that's pretty rough. But in a storm. And then the next morning when you.

[A]

Wake up, oh, my God.

[B]

You find out this is who it really is.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah, we call that Coyote Ugly. You see he's laying on your arm in bed. It was rough last night, but I've sobered up.

[A]

Oh, my.

[B]

I think I'll just chew my arm off and ease away so I don't disturb him or wake him up. All right, so you think you're buying this you're getting this.

[D]

He's got 31 criminal charges.

[B]

And heck if you're lucky, he doesn't kill you overnight. I mean, look, it's called wisdom, right? Yeah. You have to know you're. You're waking up. What do you say? You're biting off your arm, chewing off your arm. What do you think about this advice, Vinnie?

[A]

I. I'm. Well, I. First of all, I had no. I thought it was a female. I don't even know where this was going. But my question is, so is that. Was that guy robbing people or was he actually having sex with the.

[C]

The guy sounds like he was pretending to be a girl.

[A]

He's pretending to be a girl. And then what was he like? Is he hooking up with gay men? I'm so confused. He was hanging out.

[B]

You're interested.

[A]

What the hell is going on?

[B]

Tells me why you have such a creep. Creative, wonderful comedic mind.

[A]

Are you ready for this?

[B]

I appreciate it.

[A]

My brain is. My brain is going this. He's having a press conference where people complaining, like, did they want their money back? Was it buyer's remorse? Because it looks like, first of all, if that shows up and that's what you're actually into, to each his own. But then how do you not tell that it's a. It's a dude? Like, how. I'm so confused right now.

[B]

It's midnight. You've had.

[D]

You saw the Crying Game?

[A]

Yeah. Surprise. Yeah, but, like, am I, like, what's he trying to say? Don't, like, know what you're buying? Because the prostitution part doesn't even look like it's a problem. It's the fact that the guy is acting like he's a girl that's the problem.

[B]

Brandon, what do you think about. So give us your expertise here.

[C]

I got. I'm an amateur in that field, so I can't give any expertise. But, yeah, no, it's scary. It's a. It's a cautionary tale. I guess he's using there, but I don't know. Should prostitution be legalized? Like, it. You know, so we don't get up. People know what they're getting, at least. I don't know. That's a question as old as time.

[A]

I mean, is the oldest profession, but I'm not.

[C]

It's like alcohol, you know, creates a whole big criminal industry because of the fact that it's illegal. But also it's kind of debaucherous for society if it is legal. So, you know, that's a kind of a deeper Question.

[B]

Yeah, it's. Listen, one of my friends, his dream was to go to Brazil. To go to. What is it called? Not the festival. What are they? Carnival.

[D]

Carnival in real.

[B]

So he went to Carnival. He saved up all this money for two years to go to the Carnival. Carnival. And he goes, comes back, has the time of his life. Except for one night. He meets this girl, drop dead gorgeous. And he can't believe how hot she is. They're dancing, they're doing this, their thing and all this other stuff. And he's grinding all this. And grind, baby, grind with me. Relax him like all that stuff, right? And then she returns the favorite.

[C]

Oh, boy.

[B]

To him. First of all, why you letting her cry? It's a guy one too many drinks. He says, when she did, I learned very quickly. I had to run.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It's like. It's like when. When Charles Barkley. Have you ever heard Charles Barkley say, listen, man, when you're playing too much defense, I can feel your. You know, when I can feel your thing, it's a little too much defense. So, I don't know, you just better got to be careful, folks. You know, the Barkley's wisdom versus a poke county. Let me get it correctly for you. So you're happy about it. So anyways, this is just funny, man. Sometime when this guy speaks, imagine him being your father or your grandfather and he's telling you story, trying to teach you a lesson. Imagine you can write a book just so how. What lessons did your dad teach you? Let me tell one time, I got caught smoking this. This here's what he did. Boom. Took me home. He did this, he did that. Just seems like the type of guy I like. He's got a sense.

[A]

He's like Kennedy in Congress with his funniness.

[B]

He's got a sense of you back at the peak.

[D]

Dr. Phil used to do this at the peak of his show.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay, so you did this, then this, then this. And you thought that was a good idea?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

I don't know on what planet that's a good idea or even half a good idea. I used to love seeing Dr.

[A]

Fill still people up for still doing it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So let's go to the next one here. I'm going to get to the next story. A couple more stories before we wrap up. Don Lemon is talking to Ilhan Omar. Okay. A person whom Trump is wanting to deport back to her country. He even asked the leader of Somalia if they would take her back. Like a refund and conversation but she had some things to say, was she not, Rob, being interviewed by Don Lemon Ilhan? Yeah. And right here, he somehow bumps into her and is interviewing her. But go ahead, Rob. Let's see what this happens here. Go ahead. I have nothing to apologize for.

[A]

It is a tragedy that Charlie Kirk was killed in that way. I feel for his widow and his children. They will have to live with that for the rest of their lives. But there is no legacy to honor. It was a legacy filled with bigotry.

[B]

Hatred, and white supremacy.

[A]

And as a black woman and as a Muslim in this country, I refuse for. I refuse to join the chorus that changes the history of what is on the record from this man. And so, you know, Nancy Mace, the president, like, whatever. He's crazy. Crazy people can do whatever they want to do, but I am not going to be bullied into complacency, into, you know, dishonoring who I am and what I stand for. Just to.

[B]

How long can you listen to her?

[A]

Oh, but. But, you know, do you notice this, guys? Do you notice the left? No security. Nobody's. They're just. They know that nobody wants to do anything to them because we're. We're the. The normal side, but they're out there spitting this freaking poison. The fact that she's saying white supremacists and all this stuff, not one. She cannot point one thing that Charlie said that was about racism or white supremacy or another. These are just BS talking points. And she's, like, disgracing his freaking legacy, and it's disgusting. I wonder what that would have been like.

[D]

This year's Walking with Van Jones.

[B]

Oh. Oh.

[A]

It would have been a whole different conversation.

[D]

I think he would have shut it down and corrected it.

[B]

You think he would have. You think Van Jones would have corrected and Don Lemon wouldn't have.

[D]

I think Van Jones would have stepped further.

[B]

Don't forget, Tom, like the day before Trump, Charlie got killed. Don't forget what Van Jones said about Charlie that went viral. Do you remember that clip?

[A]

He was talking crap about him.

[B]

Do you remember that? Exactly. A day or two, Rob, if you got that. Van, not Vance. Yeah, Van. Yeah, exactly. There you go.

[D]

So they were, as Van Jones said, we were beefing hard. In the days before he actually went.

[A]

On video, though, Tommy. He said something about it.

[B]

He said something very, very.

[A]

He was on. On cn on cnn.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He. He put the onus on Charlie. He put the onus on Charlie. And this was like, literally.

[A]

Oh, was it about the. Oh, it was about the the, the, the, the guy stabbing on the, on the train. I think he was making some comment.

[B]

Yeah, this the one. Go ahead and play this clip. I don't know why that man did what he did. And for Charlie Kirk to say, we know he did it because she's white when there's no evidence of that.

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[A]

I got that white girl. Yeah. Blood dripping everywhere. We don't know. Yeah. Yes, we did.

[B]

So the. The point is, look, I give everybody grace, that, you know, you make mistakes, but. But the day before that happened, that's a pretty direct thing to say. So going back to Don Lemon, right? Going back to Don Lemon. Don Lemon is continuing here. Rob, if you have this clip, go ahead and play the clip. Here's Don Lemon, folks. If you're a white man, he thinks it's all your fault. Go ahead, Rob. Men who look like you, men who vote like you, and men who sound like you, white men. Something is broken. Something is cracked deep inside when so many of you believe the answer to fear, to loss, to change, is violence. Are you listening to me? I hope I'm saying it loud enough for the people in the back he was talking to. What do you have to say?

[C]

I just had an epiphany. I think he's been watching Nick Fuentes because he's. He's kind of copying Nick Fuentes, but in the reverse way. Nick Fuentes says that about black people a lot. In the same tone, tries to be the same provocative way. I think he's copying Nick Fuentes.

[B]

Very interesting.

[C]

Yeah, that's actually what I got.

[B]

Very interesting.

[C]

Observation, because he's obviously desperately trying to get views. He's doing the man on the Street. He's doing his podcast in his living room like a teenager. So, I mean, I think he's trying to try things out. He sees he's Fuentes picking up some momentum, and X, I think he's copying Fuentes.

[B]

How much you think he watches Fuentes?

[C]

Oh, I think he watches all the big people. You know, like, I think if somebody's doing well on social media, I think he's studying them and obsessively trying to model them.

[B]

I, I, I actually agree with you. I think that's a very, very good observation. But the reality of it is to say it's the white man's fault. Tom, what do you have to say about that?

[D]

No, it, they need a victim, and they have to be the victim. And so everyone else has to be bad to be the. So someone else is a victim. You need a protagonist. You need an enemy. And when people are moving, and here we go again. Blacks, Hispanics, and youth are moving toward the center and voting this way, these people become apoplectic. And when I say these people, I mean these media people, Rachel Maddow. Regardless of their color, whether it's Van Jones and, and Don Lemon or it's, it's Jake Tapper, it's not about race. It's not about, you know, sexual orientation, anything. They can't handle what's happening, and so they need there to be an enemy. And the enemy, white privilege and white people are broken. Is, is so easy for them, but it's cheap. And it's wrong, and they know it's wrong, and that's. And, and deep down inside, they know that it's hollow. But they've got no other. There's, there's no other bullet in the gun, not to use a violent metaphor, but there's no other. Like, like, what else do you pull off the shelf? It's not working.

[A]

Like, first of all, what about his white husband who's probably in the other room doing dishes? Like, I. No, no, no, I'm dead serious. How does he feel about it? Okay, and just really fast, going back to Elon Musky.

[D]

Hub.

[A]

Yeah, she said, yeah, he does. And so does Ilhan Omar. All these problems are white people. She said in the past, our country.

[D]

Should be more fearful, bro. Get it?

[A]

Yeah. She's more fearful of white men because they're actually causing most of the deaths in this country. This is her. If fear was a driving force, we should be profiling, monitoring, Creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men. And Don Lemon like how disgusting and lazy and dangerous it is, what he's saying. And Tom, what is your mug? Oh, your mug right there. Words, talk number, scream. Can you imagine if a white person. Anyway. And look at the numbers right here. If a white person sat in front of a camera, Pat, and just said the actual facts and said that black men are about 6% of the US population on FBI data shows that they're responsible for nearly half, 50% of the murders in this country. What would the world say? What would the world say? Don Lemon knows exactly what the hell he's doing. He's trying to be relevant. The fact that they kicked him out of a freaking studio, now he's a man on the street talking to other psychotic people like Elon Mulmar tells you everything that you need to know. But think about this, Pat. You showed this video for a long time ago, and it stuck with me. What happened to the old Don Lemon? Remember that video that we have, an old Don Lemon that was addressing the African American community.

[D]

Oh, how about lift your pants up. How about be respectful.

[A]

You want to see this? Play this, Rob.

[B]

Because black people, if you really want to fix the problem, uh oh. Here's just five things that you should think about doing. Here's number five, Pull up your pants. Number four now is the N word. I hosted a special on the N word suggesting that black people stop using it and that entertainers stop deluding yourselves or themselves and others that you're somehow taking the word back.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

Now, number three, respect where you live. Start small by not dropping trash. Littering in your own communities. I've lived in several predominantly white neighborhoods in my life.

[A]

Uh oh.

[B]

I rarely, if ever, witness people littering. I live in Harlem now. It's an historically black neighborhood. Every single day, I see adults and children dropping their trash on the ground when a garbage can is just feet away. Number two, finish school. You want to break the cycle of poverty. Stop telling kids they're acting white because they go to school or they speak proper English. Number one, and probably the most important, just because you can have a baby, it doesn't mean you should. Especially without planning for one or getting married first. More than 72% of children in the Africa.

[A]

I'm just curious to. Hey, Don, what happened to you? And shame on you. While your white husband is back there cleaning the house and doing whatever you're saying that he is the problem with this country. Shame on you and shame on you.

[D]

Ilhan Omar, same thing happened to him that happened to Aaron Burnett. Aaron Burnett was on CNBC in the morning doing morning show, talking business, opening up, opening bell, squawk on the street. There was those programs that you see on cnbc. And she, by all accounts, was down the middle. And there was plenty of opportunity for her there to express her opinion about the government on this law, that law, legislation, regulation of business, the Fed, plenty of things. She was done. She goes to cnn, signs it and takes the contract. And suddenly is almost like, did the contracts that Don Lemon and Aaron Burnett took when they stepped into a bigger chair at cnn, did it radicalize them? Were they radicalized by the dollars?

[B]

So you put it on Zucker, you put it on the heads of cnn. Is that who you put it on?

[D]

Well, somebody has to sign the contract and be interested. And then there's a lot of producers that tell you this is the way it's going to be that you may not have seen when you sign the contract.

[B]

So, Rob, why don't we do this? So let's go to Charlie Kirk and new stories coming out. So last week we showed a clip. Maybe on Monday, the range day bro clip guy on my neck sends me a message saying, pat, that range day bro clip you played was great. But a guy just sent me something showing a complete different thing. Fast forward the range range day broke clip to about four minutes. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. And go a little bit more. Okay, back up a little bit, Rob. Back up, back up, back up a little bit. Back up a little bit. Back up a little bit. Where it shows the headset on Charlie's ear. Go back, go back, go back, go back, go back, go back. Let's see if we're going to see it or not. Go back a little bit. So he's showing this part, man. Okay, right there. Play from right there. Rob comes in. I don't see people are coming in.

[A]

Anywhere in a circle area. You have the blood flare go down.

[D]

Then up, and then the exit wound emerges.

[A]

You're also gonna find out this guy talks out both sides of his mouth.

[C]

He'll say something like, the FBI is lying.

[B]

The official narrative is lying.

[C]

And then he'll say, I'm not accusing anybody of anything.

[D]

What matters is that the official narrative is not true.

[B]

Again, when you look at lying, they.

[A]

Will say it's 100% conclusive.

[B]

So it's already been proven. It looked like blood, even we thought it was. Now, Rob, go fast forward at a different angle with him. Just fast Forward the clip and go until he shows the angle. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Keep, keep going. Okay, right there, right to go back about 20 seconds. Okay, played from right there. Go ahead. So we're going through here step by.

[C]

Step, frame by frame, until we find it.

[B]

So that right there, you can see his. Him. His reaction right here.

[A]

So this is what I believe to.

[B]

Be the first frame capturing his reaction.

[C]

Of anything from the bullet.

[A]

So now here, when you look around.

[B]

His ear, I believe that is one of the earpiece, like, you know, the.

[C]

Wire one often a transition transparent type wire.

[A]

Now let's go ahead.

[B]

One more frame that comes up so it looks like it's behind him.

[C]

That is certainly not blood splatter like this guy falsely claimed it. And also, where's the blood dripping that he was claiming was on.

[A]

Dripping on the side of Charlie said there is no blood there because there.

[C]

Was no entry wound here.

[A]

One more frame.

[C]

You could see that it was up in the air.

[B]

You can see it's still right there, still vertical.

[A]

And now it's right there.

[B]

It just flung behind his head. And it's kind of going diagonal right there.

[A]

And keep your eye right there on that spot. You're going to see it disappear on the next frame. See it moved up and gone already because of the force of the impact. Now, nowhere here is there any type of entry when you would have seen an explosive entry wound by now, just.

[B]

Like we did from the views from.

[C]

The front, which shows that there was.

[A]

Absolutely zero shots hitting Charlie from this side. So anybody that tries to show you a video from.

[B]

Pause it right there. Okay, so remember, guys, this is why I love what's going on right now. Because everybody is what, reacting to whatever they have. And reacting to whatever they have. Tom, when you see this, what do you think about.

[D]

Well, I want to see all the perspectives and all the angles. I don't want to keep seeing Charlie and the moment of passing there. But I want to know for sure what's up. I want to know for sure what's up. And everybody that is a forensic analyst is saying the same thing. They said that does not look like an entry wound on the front of his neck. That does not look like an entry wound wound. That looks like an exit wound. You have hunters have talked about this. You have people that are coroners that have talked about this. And so the question is, okay, how did such a cataclysmic wound happen there? And, you know, the bullet, man of steel, was lodged in There. Okay, is somebody going to do ballistics? So I'm waiting for conclusive of data from a real investigation other than, hey, his DNA was on this firearm. Okay, but was the. Had the firearm been fired and do we have ballistics on the bullet that you said was found in his neck, just below the skin? I want to see all these angles, and I'm glad that one is keeping others in check. But, man, that's an exit. One for the front. That's. That's my opinion, based on the folks that I'm watching who are experts in these kind of forensics. And so the question is, how do you get that kind of a wound?

[B]

Vinnie, I'm.

[A]

I'm with Tom 100%. They're claiming this is the FBI and everybody, that it was the 30 06. It was not a 36. The official narrative is not official. And this guy is just. And I get 100%. It looks like an earpiece, but from anybody that shot guns and knows about this type of thing that. That if it was a 30 06, it would have been a completely. He would have been rat. It would have been disgusting. It would have been a lot worse than what you guys saw, number one. Number two, all this footage, those cameras, camera phones sucked in, and it's blurry. The main footage is the HD camera that was sitting behind Charlie shooting down, capturing him and the entire crowd. But somebody from Turning Point grabbed it, was all sneaky with it, put it in a hat and give it to another guy that ran off. And we're supposed to just take their word that this guy handed it off after he looked at it and gave it to the FBI? I'm sorry, I don't believe the official narrative.

[B]

You called the school?

[A]

I called yesterday. I called. I called, and Amanda was with me. She recorded it. I called UVU and I called and I called to the main desk, and I said, hey, I'm. I'm with such and such. I made up a thing, and I said, I'm trying to find out if you guys. Because the construction that's happening right now is unbelievable. It doesn't even look like what it is right now. Okay. Doesn't make sense. I said, who do I talk to? This. We just. You guys just had. And I apologize. You guys had the biggest assassination since JFK on your campus. Was there scheduled construction on the exact site where this happened? Can you. Can you. You comment on that? He goes, let me. Let me direct you to the right place. Your conversations. You're typing. Da, da, DA Sends me To like maintenance or something like that. And it's a female that picks up. And I go, hey, I'm so and so with, with media. I go, I'm just curious. Did you guys have construction set up? Whispering. Talk to the. I can't talk to you about that. I go, no, no, hold on one second. I don't need information about the shooting or nothing like that. Did you guys have scheduled maintenance? Because I would assume that if it's a. If it's an assassination at this magnitude, you would leave the crime scene for potential bullets, potential, you know, fragments, other things are recreating the scene. There's stuff in that ceiling, that overhead Pat, that there's cameras. There's an opening that you could get in there. I'm like, how is this normal? Who made the decision? I can't say anything. Let me give you the information to our VP of Strategic and Communications Management. I called her three times. I don't want to say her name. I called three times. Nobody picked up. And I left a message.

[B]

Message.

[A]

I'm just trying to figure out with this type of magnitude and you know what's insane, for how many minutes after not one police officer, not one police officer went there and secured the crime scene. I've watched multiple videos. I've watched aftermath of videos. I saw people coming and stealing hats off a truck and throwing them. Some guys like, what the hell are you doing? There's no way this type of COVID up. And the fact that when you.

[D]

That's a fact. That law enforcement should have shown up and taped this.

[B]

Why didn't they?

[A]

And you know what's crazy? Just like Butler, they were there though. I don't know. But you know what's crazy? Crazy, Pat. I saw a cop. One cop basically had his gun drawn while they were bringing Charlie, God rest his soul, to the vehicle. Your job, bro, is to go this. This idiot. By the way, Candace yesterday was talking about this guy Pack. She knows him. She goes, never has this guy ever been around when we were on tour.

[D]

Guess who? Back up a second. Say who.

[A]

We're talking the guy with the camera that was taking the SD card out.

[D]

Stood on the chair.

[A]

Who stood? Think about this, guys. It's a crime scene. You're moving the chair that he was shot. There's probably evidence in there if there was, God forbid, a bullet in there. He's climbing up there, moving everything, and nobody's saying anything. Common Sense 101. You're touching the crime scene. That's the main event. That camera has everything, okay? And I'm sorry. People are like, who do you trust? Get Israel, get all that out of there. The way that it was handled and the fact that his friends and everybody else have just moved on and they're worrying about Turning Point does not sit with me.

[B]

But.

[A]

Well, Pat, and I'm talking about my mom. I'm talking about people from all walks of life are like, something doesn't feel right. My mom, my aunt, my cousins, my friends. I'm having messages from people that I haven't talked to in years that are like, I know. I watch the show and everything. They go. None of us feel like what we're being told is the truth. Not with Tyler, not with any. None of it is adding up. The boyfriends disappear. Now they're trying to say that Tyler didn't even step foot on the campus.

[C]

Is.

[B]

What do you think's going to end up happening?

[A]

Just like every single time. Pbd. They always get away with it. Evil. Evil on this sense, they get away with it because we're, we're almost three weeks into it and, and I'm, and I'm. She, I know some of the her points are a little out there. She's the only one. Nobody from their side is asking questions like this. If you were my friend, Pat and I died, I would want you to be like, I would want you to be like, wait a minute. Where the. Who, why were you touching who is who has the footage? And it doesn't add up. Tyler doesn't even add up.

[D]

So I'm thinking three things. Actually. More like two. The first is there are hard facts that dots aren't connecting. Did he fire one shot from up on top? Crowd reaction appears to be a little different. Is. And he really ran off that way with that gun of that size in that jacket or blanket, whatever he had there. He was walking peg leg down the street with the gun down the leg of his pants. You know, there's things on the Tyler angle that don't add up. Why is this older gentleman standing up when everybody would be ducking down? You know, I, I was in a restaurant when a gunshot went off in a bar. One, one gunshot. Everybody was on the ground. We were all under the tables until a server said, you know, our security guy took the guy outside. Nobody got shot. And, but I, I, I've seen that. So that's one point in my life. When I was in college, I heard a gunshot indoors. You're all down. Why is this whole guy standing up waving a hat? So I see little facts like this, that just don't seem to add up. Why wasn't there police there taping up the scene? Why are people taking cameras that would be holding footage that would be of great interest to the FBI? Why is the Utah governor coming to the microphone? We got him and we got the gun. It reminds me, if you read Oswald, they did the same thing. They held up the Italian gun and then they talked about Oswald and the day later they killed Oswald.

[B]

Yeah, weird. Brandon, what do you think happened? What do you think is going on?

[A]

So I just.

[D]

These facts bother me. There's my headline, Pat. The facts that we can.

[B]

What are you thinking?

[C]

So the only thing I could say for certain is that we're clearly not being told everything that the FBI knows. We're not being told everything the hospital knows. We're not being told everything Turning Point knows. And that was one of the things I was most excited about for this administration was the notion of having a transparent FBI for the first time where, you know, we know the games they play for like with the JFK stuff, with the Butler, Pennsylvania stuff and even the Epstein stuff. But, you know, we're not getting that. And you would think that somebody like Kirk, who was the almost the most responsible person for getting Trump elect like Trump could be in jail if it wasn't for Charlie Kirk with what the Democrats wanted to do for him, you would think that he would have come down with more vengeance and more curiosity about what happened to Kirk and talk spoke about that more. So I'm surprised to see that from Trump's end that he's not more curious about what happened to Kirk. I'm surprised that Cash Patel is not being more transparent, parent and forceful to find out what happened. And not only that, they're not, they're not. They're withholding stuff from us in addition not being transparent about. So I don't think there's enough to say for certain who might have done it, but I can say for certain that we don't know everything they know. And they're like making it. They're forcing us to come up with these theories and alternate opinions because they're being deceptive.

[B]

How long are you willing to be patient? Like actually Hanlon's razor. Okay, Ackman, Hanlon's razor.

[C]

What's that one?

[B]

Hanlon's razor. If you pull it up, Rob, I'll read it. Hanlon's razor is never attribute to malice. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Tom.

[D]

Or a mistake.

[B]

Or a mistake. So it suggests that negative events or poor actions are more often the result of ignorance or incompetence, carelessness or other non malicious factors. That intentional evil then intentional evil or malice. Let's take this as innocent until proven guilty perspective real quick. None of this stuff makes sense. Bullet goes in here, shouldn't be an explosion. Bullet goes in here, it comes out.

[D]

Because.

[B]

The damage doesn't go in like that. The damage comes out. So I'm with you. I'm on the same page that coming out looks like it didn't come this way because at first we thought it was blood squirting. It's not blood squirting. It was actually things. So that's good that we're seeing that the guy standing up automatically and starts walking towards the area being shot is the same guy that was there on 911 and then the guy putting the chip in a hat and walking all this stuff. I'm with it. And, but, but to me, to me, I guess the question I'm asking is how long? Imagine you're them. You are Cash. You're doing the investigation. How long should you have to get to the bottom of this? I guess that's the part that we don't know. And what is the protocol? What are you supposed to go through? What's supposed to be the process? How many people are you interviewing? How many people are you supposed to be talking to? You know, the fact that you're seeing the place being fixed up and that's where the shooting was and you get it fixed. Have they made an announcement why they did the construction?

[A]

Absolutely not.

[B]

Just who made any changed. I totally get it.

[A]

Any.

[B]

Is there any announcement by the university why they've done that?

[A]

No.

[C]

I took a look this morning.

[D]

I could not find a single news article. Nothing about any type of construction that was being planned.

[B]

Is that clip on Twitter?

[A]

I have a number.

[B]

Is that. Is that. Is that.

[A]

Yes, Patrick, I call her.

[C]

There's no autopsy. Right.

[B]

What is the.

[A]

I'm going to call her name. Her name is Ellen. I could call them right now.

[B]

Call them right now.

[A]

Okay. I love this.

[B]

Call him right now. This is what. This is the university. Rob, can we call and you just.

[D]

Hang on one second.

[B]

What I'm trying to find out is.

[A]

Z. I'm doing it.

[B]

All we want to know is one thing. Have you made the announcement of Utah.

[A]

Is a one party consent state. So you're good youngster. So I could do this but Florida's two party.

[B]

So you can't do that. You can't do that.

[A]

But this is all I've been getting. Nobody picks up.

[B]

I know you can't do that. So what I want to do is I'm going to ask the question to see if they've made the announcement. You don't just fix up the place that got shot up and not make an announcement about it. So play as if you're on the inside. What's your argument? Don't play the devil's advocate. Play the opposite of devil's advocate, which is. What do you call the opposite of devil's advocate? What is the antonym of devil's advocate? How do you.

[C]

God's advocate?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like.

[A]

Like.

[B]

They'Re doing everything truthfully. Okay, what's your argument? You're on Cash's team. Give that argument.

[A]

On Cash's team, it's like, you know. Well, I mean, the shooter.

[C]

You would say that it would be because they don't want to give evidence away to. That would be pertinent to know on the FBI side. But Cash is the one that came out and said. Said, hey, we got him before they even had him. So he. That contradicts the notion of them trying to withhold things from the public.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Saying.

[A]

Saying that you have a shooter that fast before you actually had the shooter doesn't give you any. Doesn't add any credibility to you, which you've already lost the credibility.

[B]

Remember, you're not doing it. Just do it for a second.

[D]

Hold your hand.

[B]

You're the spokesperson for them, and you truly know everything they know. Okay. Speak on their behalf. What do you say?

[D]

Hey, I respect the public curiosity here. It's a horrible thing that happened to a very public figure. This is an active investigation. There are multiple angles that are being pursued here, and we have to pursue those and complete the investigation without tipping off people or without framing it through the media. And we can't lose our opportunity to prosecute because certain things are misrepresented in the media. So you need to let us do our work. We're interviewing a lot of people and following a lot of leads. Now I'm stuck. So let's say I'm the press secretary for the FBI says, well, so why did you say you got him? If there's a second shooter, don't you have to come forward and say you don't got him? So in that case, Pat, it would be hard for me now, how do I spin from the inside? So you're saying maybe you don't got him. You're saying you're still investigating him. Either you got him in your FBI or you're pursuing other leads, still looking into it. Which. Which is it, sir? And you're kind of stuck. But from the inside. That's what I would be saying.

[A]

What's up, Rob?

[D]

It's interesting. There's some construction information that's been released by the Utah Valley University, but none.

[C]

Of it has to do with the.

[D]

Building that you guys are mentioning or where Charlie was shot. So they released a student center remodel.

[C]

There's an article about that. There's also the Scott M. Smith building that they were constructing. There's also the stadium that they're going to be using.

[D]

So they do issue announcements regarding construction ongoing at the campus. There is nothing written about where Charlie was shot and construction being done there.

[B]

Weird.

[A]

It's so weird.

[B]

Here's the problem. The problem is it's hard to make a case for them. That's the problem. It's hard to make a case. Why? It's if. If. Let's just say the school does have that construction scheduled. Scheduled. You're the FBI, you're the local pd, you're guys. You're not touching this for three weeks.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, a week.

[B]

Can you look up. Rob, what is the longest a crime scene state intact?

[A]

Good question.

[B]

What is the longest a crime scene stayed intact just to get all evidence.

[C]

Or the average amount of time even?

[B]

I want to know the longest. I want to know the longest. Not the average time, I wonder. Because shortly average is going to be probably 8 hours, 12 hours, 14 hours. But what is the longest a crime, crime scene stayed intact? And maybe that's not the question, Rob. Tom, what's the question? Are we asking a question the right way? Do you know what I'm trying to.

[C]

Standard practice, maybe.

[D]

Yeah. What is. Yeah.

[B]

What is the modern 400? No, that's not what I'm talking about.

[A]

You're saying like.

[B]

I'm talking murder scene, like what's the longest?

[D]

40 plus days later in homes years later containers.

[B]

40 years later. No, but that's not. That's not real. What I'm asking is what is the longest in America after a murder took place that the FBI asked to keep the murder scene untouched for them to investigate the entire, you know, homicide. Okay, I want to know this question because I want to make comps. I want to make comparisons. Let's look at this here in George bank in 1969, the FBI exhumed the body this decades later and get the DNA names on Donald Jones, if you like. To think I can. No, I want to know how. Because. Let's just say. Let's just say we look this up. Shouldn't be hard to find this. Rob, I just don't know if we're asking a question the right way. Let's just say if there's cases where it was 40 days, it better be bigger than this assassination. Let's say there's cases, that's two and a half months. I'm sure there are. Why did you move so quickly on this one? I don't understand that. Leave the scene the way it is until we get everything figured out. Because the World Trade center. Eight months. Okay, John man house, Boulder. Six year old murderer, family home remain under investigation for months. For months. Evidence was collected over a long span, but the house was eventually released and later sold. The house remained sealed and under investigation four months. Okay, so. So JonBenet Ramsey six year old murder, Oklahoma City bombing. Okay. Mass and family murders, crime scene for weeks were. Okay. The Tate LaBianca houses were crime scenes for weeks, but eventually returned to owners for weeks. That's weeks, bro.

[A]

Yep, weeks.

[B]

Typical duration is what? Most homicide scenes in the US are held for days to weeks, sometimes months if the site is large or high profile. Is this not a high profile? So do me a favor Rob, go with the question and ask how long was Charlie Kirk scene kept, what do you call it?

[C]

Intact?

[A]

How long did it say?

[B]

No, like how long. How long did they say, you know. Yeah, I guess intact. How long was Charlie Kirk's crime scene kept intact? In order to fulfill the. In order to finish the investigation. While he's talking about finish the investigation. Okay, let's see what it says here.

[C]

It reminds me of them hosing off the roof at Butler, Pennsylvania.

[B]

How long was it? It, what does it say?

[D]

There is no, there isn't any record, credible evidence, court filings.

[B]

No, no, no. I don't understand this because to me.

[D]

What.

[B]

What was that guy's the. The something collector. Bone collect. What was that movie? Denzel Washington. And I don't know what it was.

[D]

So there's, there's a simple question I have. Why. Why didn't the police secure the area and take all the photographs? They have these little number tents. Have you seen them? They say 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. They put them on the ground, they take photographs. Did anybody see any of that here?

[A]

No. And there was police.

[D]

So there's a simple without going conspiracy go. Simple fact based question. Why didn't a law enforcement, campus police, local police, FBI, Sequester and photograph everything.

[B]

Let me ask. Let me ask you a question. If. If this happens to me and my wife tells the FBI, I don't want you to investigate it. Does the FBI still has a duty to go out there and investigate it?

[D]

Well, she just made herself the first.

[C]

Yeah, that increases the odds of the investigation.

[B]

I mean, but. But if. But a family says we're good, we're moved. I'm trying to find out, like, who has the authority to say, you know how sometimes somebody commits a crime against you, like, we're not filing any charges. Can that immediately stop an investigation?

[A]

I don't think.

[B]

Shouldn't the FDI and the police department still even.

[D]

No. In the case of. In the case of simple battery or things like this, I can decide. So if there's. So you punch me.

[B]

Too many questions.

[D]

You punch me in a restaurant. There are no cameras in the restaurant. Nothing anywhere.

[B]

And you know where I'm at.

[D]

And there's no way.

[B]

Obviously. Private conversation. But.

[A]

Oh, and guess what? The more and more I think about that, the more and more yours is making sense. And so, Pat, my cousin Mike's wife, Nina just messaged me. Her kids were at the Saugus school shooting. They closed the whole school down for five days. Five days, Nobody went to close.

[B]

And was anybody killed?

[A]

Saugus? Yeah, he started shooting. I don't remember how many people. But my.

[B]

Five days.

[A]

Five days the school was shut down.

[B]

And for Charlie Kirk to be assassinated.

[A]

Days after it was construction. Days after, they were already digging up the floor.

[B]

So by the way, by the way, by the way, if anybody is sitting here and you're like, you guys are going down the rabbit hole, I can't believe you're doing this. Do you know what you're doing? You're giving credibility to everybody that's going down the rabbit hole by simply doing what you just did. So you got other instances. You want to stay there for four or five weeks, sometimes two months. At one case house, no one goes in there for nearly eight months. And you're telling me for this one, nobody wants to come and investigate to see what happened there? You're doing this to yourself.

[D]

Yep.

[B]

Quite a. By the way.

[D]

Hey, Rob, pull this. Do a just search for murder scene investigation.

[A]

Pat. Three killed in August. Three.

[D]

Look at the yellow tape.

[A]

Kill three people.

[D]

Go. Images.

[C]

Quick question, though. So the.

[D]

Take a look right here. You see this? That's it. This is FBI taping it off. Everything would get tagged, Pat. And look at all the pictures they would take here. How Many items they have there, they have.

[A]

In.

[D]

This isn't Charlie Kirk work, but in this FBI investigation. 75 points that are being focused.

[A]

We see just from what we see, and they just walked away from it. That's. That sounds. That's gross negligence or incompetence. Like what? Look, you guys are being.

[C]

I just want to say that I think Hamlin's razor. I mean, who made that the universal principle? I almost think it could be the opposite of that sometimes. Don't attribute to stupidity what could be attributed to malice.

[B]

No, no. I think Hamlin's razor is necessary. It's what makes America so great. Justice. Right? Innocent to proven guilty. Okay. Yes. Trust but verify. So this is the part where I want to. I have questions. What? I'm. By the way, we're not even professionals. We don't do this for a living. We're just asking basic questions that you don't have the answers for. And in any case, if you come to me and you say, dad, I want this. No. Well, you did it for my brother. And you're like, ah, shit. Okay, so guess what the natural reaction is to do what? To get a comp. I want to. My offer is $800,000. It's a $1.1 million house. No, it's an $800,000 house. Why? Because a house that was built after yours, in better condition with recent upgrades, with one additional bedroom and a swimming pool, and point. One acre bigger than your soul for 798. And I'm giving you $800,000. And that happened three months ago. I'm using the comp.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So to me, the comp on this is if you've spent weeks at a different place, and this is the biggest story, the biggest assassination we've had in America the last 60 years, and you move this quickly. I don't know. To me, the biggest thing is this, by the way. Okay? To me, the biggest thing is when the conversations comes about, well, it's Israel. Nope, I'm not putting it there. To me, the conversation. Well, they had a meeting because of this. Okay? Bill Ackman shows a text to me. The conversation is, you know, okay, you want to debunk those or whatever. Fine to me. But then if you're hearing conversations about, no, man, why don't you guys want to ask more questions to see what happened? Guess what? You give credibility. That's the. That's the area where you're like, there's a point there. You know, there's a point of what's going on here. You want me to sit on the sidelines and think that's it? No, your comp sucks. You're losing, by the way, again. This, this goes back to. This goes back to the Epstein situation where you ask again, too suspicious that all of these things are going on. Who are you protecting? Who are you hiding? Who are you defending? Who are you worried about? Of course we heard the one story that the guy comes out and says Bill Clinton yes, but Trump, no. Right. What was that one?

[A]

Yeah. The DOJ for James o' Keefe for Project Veritas.

[B]

Yeah. And so. Okay. No, no, no. He didn't do anything for us. Yeah, he actually did for you. Right. So we learned. But you make people be skeptical. So to me, yeah. The construction of Utah Valley University campus site where Charlie Kirk was as an involved removing the blood stains grass and replacing it with bricks, creating a makeshift memorial area where people can leave memento. Mementos. There are no confirmed detail on additional permanent structures beyond this modification. What type of construction is being done at the campus, bro. And you do it that quick?

[D]

No, no, this. Yeah.

[C]

They say the scene was held for.

[D]

Eight to 14 days before releasing it. Yeah, that's according to Grok.

[A]

Yeah, well, guess what? That's not what I saw where students were recording going. Look, they're already digging it up. I'm just curious too, from our audience, that poll that you ran, what's the percentage of them not being convinced about the official story? Do we have the. I'm curious.

[C]

82 to 18. Last time I saw.

[B]

82.

[A]

82% are like, no, that's nearly 8,000 votes.

[B]

That's.

[A]

Yeah. Not believing it. And good for you guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have to question for just. This guy's. Just for his. His. For Charlie, bro. For his soul. Like, because nobody. His friends aren't doing it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like where is the whole. Everybody's moved on. They're on podcast smiling and yo, your boy, your husband, your freaking. Your guy that was running a 500 million dollar company is gone. And y' all are just like, yeah, we're gonna just release old footage of him. We have. We have tons. We're so they use the word excited and smiled. I know everybody grieves in their own way. But guys, for his sake, take a time out with the future of TP USA and find out what the hell's going on. Ask about that George Zinn. I don't know where he is. I don't know where the poor child pedophilia on his phone is. There needs to Be. I hope they're doing it, guys, because.

[B]

You know, what is Tucker questioning?

[A]

I don't even. Have you guys even heard what Tucker had to say? No, but I haven't even.

[D]

We've seen cases like this where, you know, the district attorney is downtown and all these people show up, up, and they're holding little pieces of paper and they're usually quiet, like a vigil. And they say, answers for Ashley, right?

[A]

Yes.

[D]

And they have a picture of her and they saying, you know, holding it up like this. You've seen it, Pat, where they're all sitting there, you know, and. And then they, like, they'll ambush the district attorney when he's walking out one day. We need answers for Ashley. What other investigation are you. We need answers. Where is everybody looking? You know what I mean?

[A]

I'm so disappointed. What. And the only thing Tucker did. Because I haven't seen anything, because Tucker's been segments and guests and the 911 stuff, which was fantastic. The only thing that he did was the memorial, which. Another question. Why weren't Charlie's parents at the memorial? I'm very curious if anybody knows. I get it. It's a tragic. Your son was assassinated. This is a big event. The President of the United States is there. Why weren't the parents there? I'm very, very curious as to that.

[B]

That.

[A]

I'm very, very curious, because you would think the parents would be at something like that. Monumental. That's something that they.

[B]

Have they spoken out? Have they said anything? Rob? Have they come out and said anything?

[A]

The only thing. And I'm sorry, going back to my point, Tucker. The only thing Tucker did was speak at the memorial, and he. And he said Jesus was speaking the truth and he was murdered. Same thing that happened. That was a quick speech to the point. And. And he left.

[B]

Left.

[A]

And that was it.

[B]

But is he. Is he speculating and asking any questions?

[A]

I haven't heard anything.

[B]

He's heavily supportive of what's going on with Turning Point usa. Heavily. He's asking, whatever you guys need from me, I'm here for you.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So what does that mean? Do you trust Tucker?

[A]

I trust Tucker.

[B]

So why is Tucker so supportive of Turning Point usa? You think he would. I think, if he had some questions.

[A]

Well, I think immediately when it happened, he donated a million dollars. A million dollars. That's. That's.

[B]

But no, Tucker just a couple days ago on the Turning Point USA podcast says, whatever you guys need from me, I here for you guys. That's what he said immediately. And he is a Guy that you would have seen in a situation like this questioning if he felt something he didn't trust.

[A]

And he's not, he's not.

[B]

He's just saying, hey, this is what's going on. I lost a friend and he's moving with it. So this is what I'm about. I want to see what everybody else is saying, cuz I want to see what's going on here. I want to see everything. If you can go through this season and just kind of hear some of the stuff out and not be controlled by the mob and jump to conclusion, you'll be ahead of the game. Naturally you're going to want to gravitate towards somebody Naturally you're going to want to gravitate towards what you thinking happened. But reason is being willing to hear opposing arguments that contradicts your own argument if your ego will permit to do that. And we're willing to do that. And we're willing to do that. This was a. This was a very special guy. Charlie is a very, very special guy and he will be. He will not be replaced. There's not going to be a guy that's going to come and replace Charlie Kirk tomorrow. There's a bunch of guys that are going out there saying, I will continue what Charlie did. Yeah. Glad you're inspired. He's a good guy to replicate and duplicate, but he was a one of one. And may his soul rest in peace, as I'm certain it will. Gang, I got a flight to catch. We enjoyed the podcast. Brandon, Good job.

[C]

Thanks for having me.

[B]

Any manects you want to send to Brandon? That is Brandon's QR code right there with a beautiful red tie. If you have anything you want to share with them, send them a minute.

[A]

What about the forewoman for Tom if she's out there?

[B]

Wow. No, she's. She's already. She's already man acted.

[D]

She's like four women. What am I, Mormon?

[A]

The foreman for me?

[B]

All right, do your thing, Rob. I'll be back on Friday.

[D]

Friday?

[B]

Yes, sir. We'll be back on Friday. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye. And Doug Limu and I always tell you to customize your car insurance and.

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