Trump vs Massie & MTG, $5B BBC Lawsuit, Epstein Files Shocker + Tucker's Deep Dive | PBD Podcast Ep. 685

Summary

PBD Podcast Ep. 685: Trump vs Massie & MTG, $5B BBC Lawsuit, Epstein Files Shocker + Venezuela & Tucker’s Deep Dive

Date: November 17, 2025
Host: Patrick Bet-David (Pat) with Tom, Adam, and Vinnie

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Episode Overview

This episode features a signature blend of political analysis, off-the-cuff humor, and fiery debate as the PBD Podcast Home Team unpacks the hottest stories in business and politics. The crew react in real time to bombshells about the newly released Epstein files, Trump’s $5B lawsuit against the BBC, high-stakes Republican infighting (Trump vs. Massie & Marjorie Taylor Greene), escalating tensions with Venezuela, speculation around the recent Trump assassination attempt, and the risks of AI-generated misinformation. The discussion is lively, at times intense, while the hosts riff on the deeper meaning and implications of the news, keeping their characteristic mix of candor, skepticism, and wit throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Epstein Files Bombshell

[08:36 – 31:41]

• Pat introduces the major release of Epstein’s emails: 2,300 new messages revealed, many referencing Trump and Clinton, some Obama. No emails from or to US Presidents, but countless mentions.
• The House Oversight Committee subpoenaed all communications between Epstein and 92 individuals from the Ghislaine Maxwell lawsuit — possible intersect with top political figures.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat: “Congress released a cache document... more than 2,300 email threads... the Journal’s analysis didn’t identify messages any of the US Presidents wrote directly to Epstein, just references...” [13:36]
• Vinnie: “This thing has been going on for, for how long have we been talking about it? Every week it comes up... then boom, tariffs, war or whatever, and then we’re back to this. I don’t think it’s ever going to happen because a lot of—let’s say a few—of Trump’s friends are implicated.” [16:37]
• Adam: “This is like the grown up version of Real Housewives of DC or Epstein Island. If there was truly something attached to Trump, don’t you think the Democrats would have released this somehow over the last five, ten years?” [26:35]

Victims’ Testimony – Emotional Segment
Vinny plays a clip of Epstein survivors pleading for the release of video evidence.

• Survivor voices: “I suffered so much pain. I was 14 years old.... There are about a thousand of us.” [29:41–30:16]
• Vinnie: “A thousand girls. That’s why, Adam. I don’t care—these people need justice. Let it all come down.” [30:16]

Congressional Manipulation by Epstein

• Revealed: Epstein was texting Rep. Stacey Plaskett (US Virgin Islands) in real time during a 2019 Trump/Cohen hearing, coaching questions. Video/audio match texts/timestamps.
• Vinnie: “A convicted pedophile, sex offender, whatever you want to call him, is actively—was actively—texting a sitting member of Congress coaching her during a freaking oversight hearing. How is that not the top news story?” [21:43]

Debate on Transparency vs. National Security

• Adam: “If this is going to be a net negative to the country of America, I can’t condone that.” [28:18]
• Vinnie: “Let it all come down... these people need justice.” [30:16]

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2. Trump vs. Thomas Massie & Marjorie Taylor Greene

[31:07 – 35:14]

• Rep. Massie warns GOP: Don’t vote to seal Epstein files, “the record of this vote will last longer than Donald Trump’s endorsement.” [31:19]
• Trump scorches back, calling Massie “Rand Paul Jr… wife will soon find out she’s stuck with a loser.” [32:05]
• Marjorie Taylor Greene says Trump calling her “traitor” was “hurtful” and fears being targeted by radicalized supporters.

Notable Quotes:

• Massie: “You will have Voted to protect pedophiles if you don’t vote to release these files, and the president can’t protect you.” [31:28]
• MTG: “The most hurtful thing he said...is he called me a traitor... can radicalize people against me and put my life in danger.” [33:17]

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3. Defining Epstein’s Crimes – The Megyn Kelly Controversy

[35:48 – 39:54]

• The podcast reacts to Megyn Kelly’s much-criticized commentary questioning whether Epstein was technically a pedophile, citing sources who claimed his targets were “barely legal”.
• Vinnie: “If they’re underage and you destroyed their lives, period.... If you’re on an island by yourself and nobody’s watching you and you’re protected, who knows what else they were into?” [37:18]

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4. Trump’s Lawsuit vs. BBC ($5 Billion) & Media Manipulation

[59:50-63:48]

• Trump suing BBC despite apology, inflates issue of media integrity.
• Pat predicts “accountability for companies like BBC, CBS... that’s a very good thing.” [62:13]
• Tom contextualizes: News organizations and now newsworthy podcasters may increasingly face major legal consequences for misinformation/manipulation. [62:13–63:48]

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5. Venezuela Crisis: Geopolitics, Oil & US Intervention

[47:45–57:56]

• US to designate Venezuela’s ruling cartel as a terrorist organization. Hosts debate whether this is setting up for military action, with Tom and Vinnie warning of external actors (Iranian drones, Chinese and Russian involvement).
• Pat reveals Venezuela has the world’s largest oil reserves, explaining US interest.
• Pat: “There’s a couple different things. I think this is Rubio’s victory. Two, it’s the oil to protect… they’re close to us.” [52:45]
• Tom: “You’ve got to be careful ... Venezuelan oil — over 50% goes to China. Iran’s sending drones; Russia gave air defense...Jenga game in our hemisphere.” [54:53]
• Adam: “Trump is utilizing the Monroe Doctrine...no one in America wants boots on the ground.” [57:56]

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6. AI-Generated Deportation Videos & Disinformation Threat

[135:22–141:43]

• Viral AI-generated “deportation” videos on Facebook misleading the public with fake detainment scenes.
• Hosts call for urgent policy requiring watermarks & metadata on all AI-generated videos, warning of risk to innocent people.
• Tom: “Somebody’s going to go to prison and they did nothing. …We are coming on the edge of this.” [139:05]
• Adam: “We are now in the verification or validation age. … Over the next two years, misinformation is the #1 risk.” [141:36]

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7. Tucker Carlson vs. FBI on Trump Shooter Investigation

[110:54–131:28]

• Tucker released findings showing Trump’s would-be assassin (Thomas Crooks) left many digital warning signs. FBI claims he acted alone, but the FBI’s process is scrutinized by the hosts.
• Vinnie: “I said one thing once online, Pat, and I got flagged. … This guy’s searching for murder, assassination chemical stuff... and he just kind of went through the cracks.” [114:27]
• Tom: “Why is it so simple? Why is it so cut and dry? …I put the odds of [the FBI’s story] at like 10%.” [117:04]
• Adam: “Either it’s an inside job... Or somehow your officials let this geeky, nerdy, 20-year-old, furry-loving kid bypass all elements of security…” [122:37]

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8. Michelle Obama’s “White People & Hair” Comments / Decision Not to Run

[68:20–75:13]

• Michelle Obama laments social pressure on Black women’s hair and blames “white standards”; claims America “not ready” for female or Black president—hosts lampoon victim mentality.
• Pat: “Go back to being fun… victimhood mentality is the most unattractive thing to have. But she seems to keep going back to it.” [75:21]
• Adam: “I think the Obamas have actually been more divisive than Trump on this racial issue.” [73:26]

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Other Noteworthy Segments

• Disney/YouTube TV Dispute Settled [84:26–89:05]: Disney caves, restoring ESPN/ABC to YouTube TV at no extra cost. Pat blasts Bob Iger’s leadership and calls for Disney board reform.
• Stephen A. Smith’s Political Voice [77:12–82:29]: Hosts praise Stephen A. Smith’s independent, candid mix of sports and politics amid criticism.
• Starbucks, Unionization, and Social Politics [99:08–104:41]: New York’s Mamdani supports a Starbucks boycott and corporate tax rises; hosts discuss unionization and Starbucks’ own social policies.
• Debate over AI Regulation [135:22–143:36]: Hosts unanimously demand Congressional action to watermark AI-generated content after viral Facebook fakes stoke public fear.

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Memorable Quotes & Highlights

• On Epstein/Transparency:
  Vinnie: “I’m sorry, Adam. Let it all come down. That’s my opinion. These people need justice.” [30:16] Adam: “This is like grown up Real Housewives of D.C. or Epstein Island... If there was really something on Trump, don’t you think the Democrats would have leaked it?” [26:35]

• On Political Division:
  Marjorie Taylor Greene: “He called me a traitor... words used that can radicalize people against me and put my life in danger.” [33:17]
  Trump: “His wife will soon find out that she’s stuck with a loser.” [32:05]

• On Venezuela:
  Pat: “I think this could be a big victory for Rubio... and it’s about oil.” [52:45]
  Tom: “You’ve got to be careful. Venezuela is a Jenga game in our hemisphere.” [54:53]

• On AI Deepfakes:
  Tom: “A stroke of the pen... AI engines may not be used to make videos unless there is a watermark...” [139:05]

• On DeSantis & Immigration:
  DeSantis: “We should never bring people into this country who hate America... we have to be smart.” [132:19]

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Segment Timestamps (MM:SS)

• Epstein Files & Emails: 08:36–31:41
• Massie/MTG/Trump Feud: 31:07–35:14
• Debate on ‘Pedophile’ Definition: 35:48–39:54
• Trump Lawsuit vs BBC: 59:50–63:48
• Venezuela/Geopolitics: 47:45–57:56 (see escalation again at 54:53 & 56:24)
• AI-Generated Disinfo: 135:22–141:43
• Tucker vs FBI (Crooks Shooter): 110:54–131:28
• Michelle Obama/Hair/Presidency: 68:20–75:13
• Disney/ESPN/YouTube: 84:26–89:05
• Stephen A. Smith’s Role: 77:12–82:29
• Starbucks & Socialism: 99:08–104:41

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Tone and Style

• Blunt, unfiltered, rapid-fire and energetic; at times irreverent.
• Willing to speculate, challenge narratives, or admit when facts are unclear.
• Various “characters” (Pat the operator, Tom the researcher/historian, Vinnie the firebrand, Adam the pragmatist).
• Occasional inside jokes, ribbing, and mockery of out-group politicians or “the establishment.”
• Deep skepticism—across the aisle—of government, media, and elites.

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Conclusion

This episode was a tour-de-force of live political punditry, blending breaking news with humor and heartfelt debate. Whether unpacking the serious implications of the Epstein file release, navigating party infighting, critiquing corporate and governmental missteps, or grappling with the hazards of AI misinformation, the crew provided sharp insights and made a complex, fast-evolving news cycle accessible and engaging. Listeners came away with a deeper sense of what’s going on behind the day’s bombshell headlines—and why it matters.

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Transcript

[Tom]

Did you ever think you were made?

[Pat]

I know this life, Adam.

[Tom]

What's your point?

[Pat]

The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one I send you.

[Vinnie]

I think I said this.

[Tom]

Look at that.

[Adam]

Sorry, Tom.

[Pat]

Guys, honestly, this, by the way, we're on a live video. This is what happens when you start getting a little bit too much fame. Tom is walking around, girls are writing notes on his cars. You're going to events and you have previous wives of presidents coming up to you, talking to you. And then Vinnie comes into the meeting putting his feet up as if he's like this big shot just because he got 200 million views last month on YouTube. What do you want me to do, Vinnie? You call your assistant, like, hey, can we get Vinnie here putting his feet down? Do we need to call your lawyers? Hey, lawyer, call this guy, tell him, put your foot down. Vinnie, sit up straight like the rest of us.

[Adam]

This guy puts show, buddy. Vinnie, put your headset on.

[Pat]

For what it's worth, as long as you wear those shoes, you can always put your feet up.

[Adam]

It's fine.

[Vinnie]

I'm not even trying to be funny cuz normally I wear dress shoes. These are. They slipped on. They're freaking amazing, Pat. Thank you.

[Adam]

They're sick.

[Pat]

I'm at 46 out of last 47 days, by the way. I've worn these shoes, the flbs more than I have my brown zinnias that I've had last seven years just to last eight years. Just so you know that. Anyways, guys, a lot of crazy things going on for some of you guys. I want to know what the hell is going on with the Epstein. I know a guy named Alan's going to be pretty excited about this. Guess what? The President did a complete 180, released the whole thing and people lost their minds. Okay. Even to the point that the Iranian military Twitter account decides to do a tweet on it and said we hang pedophiles in Iran. And I had to respond back and give him some facts on it, which we'll address here in a minute, which was very, very weird. Yeah. The Iranian military monitor responds back, going after the President. And even Twitter had to do a fact check on it, which is funny as hell, but there's a lot of stuff that's going on, folks. A lot. We got, obviously the Epstein story, we got to get into. We got to get into the story with Thomas Massie, mtg, Rubio 21 boats shooting down of what do you call it Venezuela? And then you have Thomas Crooks and Tyler Robinson. Apparently, both of them had furry fetishes. The Thomas Crookston comes out with a furry fetish. So what is going on?

[Adam]

Is anybody shocked? Is anybody shocked?

[Tom]

Well, listen, the CIA figured out furries would be manipulatable and they got two guys to do some work.

[Vinnie]

That's actually a great point. Pack. If you. If you believe that you could be an animal, then you're going to fall for anything. The brainwashing, the MK Ultra.

[Pat]

Hi.

[Tom]

Let me.

[Pat]

Let me keep.

[Tom]

Dude, shoot the president. You'll be in like, a beast mode.

[Pat]

Yeah, Tom, that's a. That's a joke. That's a bad joke.

[Adam]

Just like in Zooland.

[Pat]

By the way, if you guys think Tom has bad jokes here, when the cameras are off, it's times 10.

[Adam]

Oh, man.

[Pat]

Times 10. Anyways, Trump wraps up attack on Massey. His wife will soon find out she's stuck with a loser who says stuff like that.

[Tom]

He's.

[Pat]

So.

[Vinnie]

As a President of the United.

[Pat]

States, Trump opens up.

[Adam]

Everybody knows it now.

[Pat]

Trump opens up More Arctic drilling. Trump turns around and sues BBC even though they issued an apology. $5 billion lawsuit. Despite the apology, Trump escalates pressure on Venezuela, but endgame is unclear. Pritzker claims Trump might take us to war with Venezuela to distract from Epstein controversy. That's what Pritzker is saying. Trump Epstein live. Marjorie Taylor Greene says she fears for her safety from radicalized MAGA fans after president dubbed her traitor. Trump gives ex ally Greene new nickname. Dropped endorsement says she betrayed entire Republican Party. What's the new. Is there a real nickname? Okay, we'll see what it is. Green says Trump administration infuriating people by gaslighting them on affordability. Trump scraps tariffs on beef, coffee and tropical fruit and a push to lower grocery store prices. Fed study vindicates Trump trade policy. 150 years of evidence shows tariffs lower inflation. California government Gavin Newsom, former chief of staff indicted on public corruption charges. Michelle Obama came out of nowhere and she said, you know, you ain't ready for a female president because of what you did with Kamala. And some of you guys want me to run. I'm not running because you're not ready for it.

[Vinnie]

And did you hear her complaining again about white people?

[Tom]

Really? So that's a pre excuse because she'd lose.

[Pat]

Survey shows 15% of Democrats believe America's birth rate is too low. Only 15%. That means arrested and believe it's fine.

[Tom]

Explain their position on abortion.

[Pat]

Yeah. Trump admin will pay 4 snap benefits within 24 hours after shutdown ends Epstein email cache Holy moly folks. You ready for this? 2300 messages, many of which mentioned Trump. Wall Street Journal House plans to vote Tuesday on releasing the Epstein files and making Kelly appears to question whether Epstein was a pedophile or not. Steve Bannon is all over the newly released Jeffrey Epson emails raising Questions about the 15 hour of Epstein interviews he has promised to release. And by the way, there was a moment where Vinny's telling me about this that Epstein was coaching a representative from Is it Virgin Islands?

[Vinnie]

Virgin Islands.

[Pat]

On what to say while she's sitting there in front of the judge. Pretty wild to be thinking about that taking place. Tucker Carlson claims FBI hated details on Trump shooter Thomas Crooks FBI clearly knew cash Patel dismisses Tucker's claims about would be Trump assassin Thomas Crooks. Ted Cruz accuses GOP senators of being frightened to call out Tucker Carlson Hochul opens to raising now is open to raising taxes on New York corporations to fund socialist Mamdani's freebies. My God, you got to be kidding me. So she finally caved. All right. Mamdani calls for Starbucks boycott amid strike Toyota opens a massive North Carolina Battery plant confirms 10 billion out of US investment boom and then Ford CEO Jim Farley, no relation to Chris Farley, says He can't feel 5,000 mechanic jobs paying 120 a year. We are in trouble in our country. And I don't know if he's talking about let's open up the H1B visas, but he is saying something on what he wants to do before you guys go crazy. This is Ford CEO saying it's true.

[Tom]

That'S a blue collar job but we got openings.

[Pat]

That's right.

[Adam]

He was also very upset that people were living in a van down by the river.

[Pat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tom]

Because it was a Chevy Astro van.

[Pat]

Yeah. The number of household Thomas like so hungry to do a podcast because we haven't done one since Wednesday. I can't even get through the stories. He just wants to get into it. The number of households living paycheck to paycheck has risen. Why? Tom he will give us an answer momentarily. Late car payments hit record among subprime borrowers. Stephen A. Smith breaks silence Stephen a criticism that his political views are interfering with with 20 million dollar a year ESPN role and we got a couple things that's going on. Disney finally begged YouTube and they're trying to reach a deal to restore ESPN and ABC on streamer. Disney was losing $4 million a day a day on YouTube TV dispute. Looks like they got some things that's coming through. Tell me.

[Adam]

I'm going to defend Tom. I know you didn't see this coming, but we miss you guys, man. We haven't seen you guys in five days.

[Pat]

I'm not done with the story.

[Adam]

I'm so sorry, sir.

[Pat]

This guy. So hidden cost of homeownership reaching $16,000 here. And we got a couple other things here. U.S. border Patrol arrest 81 on the first day of Charlotte migration crackdown. Yes, Adam, we were.

[Adam]

Yes, as I was saying, I missed.

[Pat]

We were. We were in. Where were we? We were in Newport beach at Pelican Hill at an event called cxl. An incredible time. But, folks, I want to make a big announcement. Adam, with your permission and. And Vinnie's lawyer's permission, I'd like to make an announcement. Folks, we're doing something crazy. And let me tell you what this crazy thing is. You know what this is? This is what you call a mystery box. Okay? 200 of you are going to get this mystery box, and I'm going to tell you who this mystery box is going to go to, what items in it that are very, very unique. If you're watching this right now and you want to have a merry Christmas and get some people some special gifts and have the possibility of coming on here to be on the podcast, sit here with us, do a prep, and all the other crazy stuff. Rob, just play this clip. Rob, I'm getting ahead of myself. Go ahead, Rob. Watch this clip, folks. The greatest Black Friday initiative ever. This right here is a mystery box. It's a mystery, but there's something very special inside of it. So. So how do you get the mystery box? The first 200 people that place a $500 order on vtmerch.com the first 200 get this box. 10 of them have something very special in them. When you open it up and you see this, 10 of them are going to be golden tickets. You're going to take your quarter and you're going to scratch this thing off. 10 of you are going to get different prices. Let me tell you what it's going to be. One of them is going to be $5,000 gift card to the VT merch. Come buy whatever you want to buy. The shoes, the jackets, whatever you want to buy. The other one is five platinum tickets to the vault. 20, 26. That's right. Another one is the 20 karat hat that we did that's numbered one out of 15. One of you is going to get that $5,000 pride hat. Another one is a one year silver membership to the cigar lounge. Another one is a 15 minute call with me or with Vinnie or with Tom or with Adam. Then a $2,500 credit to Manect. And last but not least, you will be in one of Vinnie skits on valuetainment comedy with them as an actor or an actress. You place an order over $1,000, you're probably going to get a surprise FaceTime from me, Vinny, Adam, Tom, maybe all of us together, not Everybody, but probably 40, 50 of you will get a call. Last but not least, this one is going to break the Internet. You ready for anybody that places an order of over $2,000? I know the number is crazy, but you see why it's crazy. One of you who wins, we will fly you out, put you at a hotel, take you to Casa de Angelo, do a podcast prep with you. Then the next day you're sitting right here next to me on the podcast. That's crazy. You're here with us. That's great. We want you sitting right here. So if you haven't yet placed an order on vtmerch.com go place the order to learn more about the rules and the terms and conditions. Click on the link below to learn all and start purchasing now. You know what the good news is? 30% discount on pretty much every product. So go to vtmerch.com, place your order, be one of the first 200, or if you're crazy enough, place order over $2,000. We'll see you on the podcast. This is crazy. We've never done anything.

[Vinnie]

Hopefully that guy that gets to sit here is not a furry.

[Pat]

Can you do me a favor? Can you go on the website real quick? Can go on the website, go to vtmerch.com and I want just kind of show this to you guys as you're going through it. So if you go, click on valuetainment just to refresh the website wrap. Okay, perfect. If you click on that, learn more right there and you go to it, all the details are down. Go a little bit lower, it'll break down everything for you. And keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. All the details are right there. Right there, Rob. Go up a little bit higher, Rob, and click on that view all to the right. So that's what you want to do. Go on, view all. And here's where it is. The shoes, the one thing we did with Bundle, the vault conference, the SLS, the public speaking course, the PBD sales system, the business planning workshop, all the recording bundle 997 right. Of course these are from previous. We never do that. But you got a Bundle there for 997 and then you got the shoes. That's the only thing that won't be discounted aside from a couple items and it can go down and place your order. Christmas gift for your husband, for yourself, for your kids, for your spouse, for anybody else that watches this Future Looks Bright Yesterday I went to the sushi spot. I'm ordering sushi says I ordered a three yeti Future looks bright items that were on which was great seeing the guy at the Kaizen. But anyways, again, if you want to participate 200 mystery boxes first 200 go to vtmerch.com place your order. This is part of the Black Friday. We're just doing it way earlier than everybody else to give you a heads up while we're going through this. Having said that, let's get right into it. Okay. So crazy things are going on. Okay. Crazy things are going on all over the place. Rob, I want to start off with this Epstein. What what just happened this weekend with the Epstein files, right? Emails came out with 2300 email messages cachet, many of which mentioned Trump. Rob, is this the video you have on there? Let me read this and it will go into the video. Congress released a cache document this week that were recently turned over by Epstein's estate. Amongst them, more than 2300 email threads that the convicted sex offender either sent or received between 2008 and 2019. House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed the state for all of Epstein's communication with 92 people who were named in Virginia Giuffre's 2015 defamation lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell, including Epstein's associate assistant as well as all of US Presidents and Vice president. Not surprisingly, President Trump and Clinton are both referenced hundreds of times in what was released this week, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis. Former President Barack Obama name appears as well. The Journal's analysis didn't identify messages that any of the US Presidents wrote directly to Epstein or received emails from him, just references to them by Epstein or his conversation partners. Trump's name appeared in more than half of the email files, often in shared news stories about his policies during the 20162016 election and his presidency. A time when Trump talks was inescapable. Epstein also criticized Trump with some friends, passed along tips to reporters and answered questions from associates. Rob, which one is this here?

[Tom]

So I have CNN covering the Epstein files. I also have Donald Trump on Air Force One talking about the release of the files. And then I also have ABC News, which would be you.

[Pat]

Let's go with Trump first. Go for it.

[Adam]

I don't care about it.

[Pat]

At least you're not what I think you should do. If you're going to do it, then you have to go into Epstein's friends. This Reed Hoffman spent a lot of time on the island. I, I was never in his island. Bill Clinton went there, supposedly 28.

[Vinnie]

You're gonna have to look into his.

[Pat]

Friends because, you know, if they're going to do that.

[Vinnie]

And I think the perfect guy to.

[Pat]

Do it would be Southern District, somebody like Jay Clayton. I understand that's who's been assigned, but does the Congressman have a point, though?

[Vinnie]

Does Marjorie, does she have an appointment?

[Pat]

I know nothing about her. They can have whatever they want. They already do. I think they have 50,000 pages already. Look, this is a Democrat hoax. This is a hoax by the Democrat and a couple of few Republicans have gone along with it. Okay, put it up, Rob. That's fine. Okay, so you can barely hear it, but you kind of understand what the President is saying on the Air Force One. What is Kristen saying in this one here, Rob?

[Tom]

This is her reporting that Trump is in the Epstein files.

[Pat]

Kaitlyn Collins, go for it. Jeffrey Epstein mentioned Donald Trump by name multiple times in private correspondence over the.

[Tom]

Last 15 years or so.

[Pat]

These are newly released emails obtained by CNN that showed Jeffrey Epstein bringing Donald Trump up in conversations with Ghislaine Maxwell and the author Michael Wolf.

[Tom]

We got them after members of Congress.

[Pat]

Got their hands on them after they subpoenaed Jeffrey Epstein's estate, which in turn.

[Tom]

Handed over thousands of documents to Congress.

[Pat]

Just repeating what we just read right now. And anything else on the other one, Rob? Okay, so, Vinnie, your thoughts on this? I mean, some of this stuff is new stuff, but what are you thinking? The President has now saying, just release the damn thing. Let's move on with it, Which I believe should have been the case from the beginning. It would have. It would have prevented all of these things. But, you know, I understand some of the reasoning on why it happened, but what are your thoughts?

[Vinnie]

This thing has been going on for, for how long have we been talking about? It's like every week it comes up, it goes away, something happens. We do something else on the global scale, and then boom, tariffs, whatever, war bombing of Venezuela. And then we're back to this, I think. And then I just found out Ghislaine Maxwell apparently is Getting a puppy. She got gifted a puppy. And she's getting all this stuff like, think about it, she's convicted for all these freaking offenses and now she's getting this leniency, which I think that's a whole.

[Tom]

While she's in prison.

[Vinnie]

You're saying while she's in prison, Tom, she's getting a freak of like, what do you, what are you talking about? You're, you're involved with the biggest sex trafficking pedophile, whatever Megyn Kelly wants, who or what doesn't want to call him. I think this is what I think happened.

[Pat]

Okay?

[Vinnie]

They all had relationship with this guy. Trump was never involved with anything with underage kids. What I heard past, especially through Michael Wolf and all these people, is number one, this the moment Donald Trump found out that Ghislaine Maxwell was recruiting girls from Mar A Lago to go and hook up with Epstein or all of his clients, he banned him, he finished him. And then on top of that, I found out that a big real estate business deal between Epstein and Trump went south. Because Trump is a business guy and Trump is going to win, Pat. That's where the relationship went south. In regard to releasing the files, I don't think it's ever going to happen because I feel this is Vincent Oshana's opinion. A lot of, not a lot, let's say a few of Trump's friends that are implicated in there.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

But then him saying release them too, knowing the Democrats will never approve it because their main people, the Bill Clintons, the Bill Gates, all these guys, I guarantee, I feel are going to be on there. So if one goes down, the whole House goes down. So they can't do it. They can't, they can't. You're never going to, you're never going to see it. But, and, and we're going to get into the other stuff later. But Jamie Raskin, just really fast, Pat. Federal prison staff at Galay Maskwell's facility illegally accessed and leaked her privileged attorney client emails to Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat, I think Minnesota or Maryland. Maryland, who then publicly released the materials to the media as part of an effort to smear Trump this past weekend. Okay. It's been revealed that Democrat, he was involved in a plot where they stole, they stole her attorney. And Rob, I sent you a release of the lawyer. It just, it's just, I don't like it. I don't like that this thing keeps coming up. I know they're not going to release it, but, you know, I guess once that and that's the letter right there from, from the lawyer. They're leaking stuff to try to get Trump. If they had anything on Trump, it would have been. He would have been buried already. He would have been buried a long time ago.

[Pat]

Yeah. And by the way, here's what Jen Psaki had to say and very quickly, she walks it back. Rob, if you want to play this clip, watch this one, folks. In supporting what Donald Trump is doing.

[Tom]

You'Re talking about the other predators out there in addition to Trump. I mean, I'm not saying he is. We don't know all the details about that. I just mean what we've learned about Epstein and others. There's other predators out there.

[Pat]

And we have to remind you very quickly when she said that.

[Vinnie]

Can I ask you a question though? He could still get her for being no.

[Tom]

1.

[Pat]

Trump. Knowing Trump, he can. Because of the $5 billion lawsuit.

[Tom]

Yeah. That right there was like a 5 million a minute.

[Pat]

Yeah, yeah. But, but, but while this, while this is happening. While this is happening. You were talking about the Virgin Islands. What, what Epstein did with the congressman. Go ahead.

[Vinnie]

I think. And Robbie, you go. I think. 13 seconds, brother. This is, I don't know. And I get Epstein's at the top of the list. How is this not the biggest headline? Crazy. There's a new video from the Washington Post that shows something from 2019 oversight hearing of Michael Cohen's testifying about the hush money payments with Trump. With his mess with the Democrats. We're trying to turn it into a conspiracy. While this is happening, Epstein is texting Stacy Plaskett from the Virgin Islands, telling her what to ask. And you could literally see her glance down, read it, and then fire off the exact question of. The timestamps on the messages match the video in the hearing. Go ahead, Rob, play this. How is this real?

[Pat]

President of the United.

[Vinnie]

Are you chewing.

[Pat]

And while we were once driving through a struggling neighborhood.

[Vinnie]

She's chewing up. That she's chewing up. Not anymore. Commented that only black people could live that way. Stacey Plassfield, two minutes later.

[Tom]

Attorney client privilege. Yes, I will.

[Pat]

You, as my friend Mr. Meadows pointed out, misled this committee even today in.

[Tom]

A written submission that contradicted your testimony.

[Vinnie]

She doesn't know what.

[Adam]

Rona is going to review that.

[Tom]

Did you review. Are you going to review it in.

[Pat]

Our next break to correct the record?

[Tom]

Yes or no? Yes.

[Vinnie]

Quick question. You helped out the president. Is this an acronym she's asking were.

[Tom]

Involved in the campaign?

[Vinnie]

What is Ronan? And it's a person.

[Pat]

Your words today.

[Tom]

What's your idea for the campaign dating back 2011.

[Pat]

Is that accurate?

[Tom]

Yes or no?

[Vinnie]

Yes.

[Adam]

Wait, this is 2019.

[Pat]

Mr. Weisenberg and other individuals.

[Vinnie]

Ms. Rona, who are those individuals? Are they with the Trump Organization?

[Pat]

There are other people that we should be meeting with.

[Vinnie]

Look, she's so.

[Pat]

Allen Weisselberg is the chief financial officer.

[Vinnie]

You got to quickly give us as many. She wants names packed so we can get to. Because Epstein's coaching her is Ms. Rona. What is Ms. Rona's position?

[Tom]

Ronagraph is the Mr. Trump's executive assistant.

[Vinnie]

And would she be able to corroborate many of the statements that you've made here?

[Tom]

Yes, she was. Her office is directly next to his.

[Vinnie]

Good work.

[Tom]

She's involved in a lot.

[Vinnie]

I want everybody to understand this. Patrick, how is this not the number one. A convicted pedophile, sex offender, whatever you want to call him, is actively. Was actively texting a sitting member of Congress coaching her doing a freaking oversight hearing. How is that not the top news story? And she's nothing. There's no breaking news. There's no nothing. She's still in Congress.

[Pat]

How do they get those text messages?

[Vinnie]

The Washington Post found out through all the, all the emails and stuff that were released recently this past all the email dumps. They timed it and they found out what. Because they were trying to figure out what time is it.

[Pat]

While she's up there she's getting texts.

[Tom]

The leaks are coming out left, right and center. You. You heard Caitlin Collins say they were the. Wow. Didn't Caitlyn Collins said the emails went here and then we got our hands on them.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Tom]

How did that. What she's saying is they got leaked to cnn. That's what Caitlin Collin is saying. And now somebody is alertly putting them in order here showing how sitting members of Congress. Remember this is US Virgin island and they have a. They have a congresswoman says has it. That's what's going on here and they're aligning it. Although I like the last text. The last text we got to write. We have to wrap this up quick. I got the Kamala debate at 7.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, yeah. Pay no attention to the friggin pedophile behind the joke or that's a big joke.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Yeah. So and this is what is the same Robert going to the Repson Jefferson statements emerged from public release case. So wow. It is. Oversight committee released 20,000 pages of material drawn from Epstein's communication, including email text messages. Amongst those were redacted text message transcripts that did not explicitly name the recipient but included in sufficiently time span stamped and content rich messages.

[Vinnie]

How does like what, what did, what did he promise her? What did he give her to be able to get access like that to her?

[Pat]

So place devil's advocate. What's, what's wrong with having that communication with Epstein if he's giving intel to her? Maybe, maybe she's getting due diligence. Maybe she's doing research, maybe she's doing recon. What's bad about it?

[Vinnie]

Because during. Well, first he's a convicted pedophile. Two, you're a sitting member of Congress. You're getting coached by this pedophile because what's his motive, Pat? He, they want to take down Trump and that's. He wants to take down Trump not because he was with him doing stuff with, with young girls is because he screwed him over on a freaking business deal and Epstein wanted to get his ass or maybe somebody else didn't want him to get in with all the stuff that was happening with assassination attempts to come. How the FBI should be at her freaking office this morning. Let's be honest with each other, Tom. Right, like what are we talking about right now? The number one pedophile. Everything is Epstein. You're getting coach who by the way, who else is he texting? Who else does he know in Congress? Who else are his friends? That's insane. I don't know how this she's not getting like literally her door kicked down.

[Pat]

By the way Bill Clinton responded to the Epstein pro brav. I don't know if you have that or not. There's a. So President Clinton because obviously there's a bunch of names that's coming up and he's always been in these stories but with this one getting even closer that things, things may be leaked fairly quickly. This is probably Bill Clinton did nothing and knew nothing. The rest is noise meant to distract from election losses, backfire, shutdowns and who else know. What's this? Rob?

[Tom]

I believe this is a spokesman. He's the deputy chief of staff for President Bill Clinton. This is the statement that he put out regarding Clinton's association with Epstein. So following the release of all of these files.

[Pat]

Got it. So they're saying now that there was nothing that was going on with his involvement. Those emails proved Bill Clinton did nothing, knew nothing and the rest is noise. The direction the development follows. The recent Epstein Bondi announcement came hours after Trump posted on Truth Social that he would request that she, the DOJ and the FBI look into Epstein's involvement and relationship With Clinton, as well as former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers and LinkedIn co founder Reid Hoffman, which I'm not mistaken, Reid Hoffman also responded to this. Is this the tweet rap?

[Tom]

Yes.

[Pat]

Okay. So as I said on Friday night on Air Force One, fake news media, House Republicans should vote to release the files because we have nothing to hide. And it's time to move on from this Democrat hoax perpetrated by radical left lunatics in order to deflect from the great success of the Republican Party, including a recent victory Democratic shutdown. The Department of Justice has already turned over tens of thousands of pages to the public and are looking at various Democrat operatives, Bill Clinton, Reid Hoffman and Larry Summers and a relationship with Epstein. And the House Oversight Committee can have whatever they are regally entitled to. I don't care. All I do care about is that the Republicans get back on point, which is the economy affordability where we are winning big. Our, our victory on reducing inflation from the highest level in history to practically nothing. Breaking down prices for American people, delivering historic tax cuts, gaining trillions of dollars investments into America. And it gets into the message. Adam, your position here.

[Adam]

Yeah, I mean, signal through the noise. What Trump cares about is getting out message because he's real. By the way, I don't know if you've seen Trump's polling numbers lately. They're not looking as good as before. If you're in the 40s in America today, polling wise overall in anything, you're okay, you're sort of above water in regard to the national sentiment. But when you start hitting 30s is when you start having a problem. This is where Trump is sort of heading. I'm sor supporting Trump, but when he says I don't care. Release it if you need to release it. Let's get back on message. You're seeing what's happening in the last couple weeks with Democrats winning in these highly contested elections, especially in New York. And I think there was another sort of far leftist that won in Seattle, I want to say. So for Trump to come back and reverse course 180 and say just release it. The challenge right now is that this is like grown up version of real Housewives of D.C. or Real Housewives of Epstein Island. If there was truly something attached to Trump, don't you think the Democrats would have released this somehow over the next five, ten years if they.

[Vinnie]

But if they're implicated on like think about Adam. If they're all over it, this is all a game, correct? No, you do it.

[Adam]

Bingo. But this whole slow drip of drip Drip, drip, drip, drip. I believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant. At some point, you got to rip this band aid off. The only challenge I see is if some of these names or some of these stories that are being released are truly a detriment to national security. National security is where I draw the line. Sure, I want accountability. Sure, we all want justice. Sure, we all want to know what's going on. But if this is going to be a net negative to the country of America, I can't condone that.

[Vinnie]

Let me ask you one because I want to show one quick video as well. So what you're saying is if people of high power are pedophiles or whatever, everybody's worried about numbers, underage women and men, because I think that there was underage boys as well. We keep harping on. On females. Like you're saying, if it's gonna hurt the country, then let the country that's built on blackmail and pedophilia keep continuing.

[Adam]

That it's a false equivalency. The country that's built on black women.

[Vinnie]

Did you read Whitney Webb's books? I did. Of course.

[Adam]

We interviewed.

[Vinnie]

It goes deep to say that the.

[Adam]

Country is built on blackmail and pedophilia. Well, you' is such a shocking, bombastic statement. These people allegedly did some bad things. Yeah. That is different from the country is built on black.

[Vinnie]

What if. What if pedophilia? What about policies and bombings and this and that? Hold on. We're made because somebody said, hey, I have. I have a video I've seen was.

[Adam]

A bad dude doing bad things. I also think we're giving him way too much credit.

[Vinnie]

I don't.

[Adam]

That this guy was the one running everything.

[Vinnie]

But that was a go to.

[Adam]

The entire government is based on what Epstein was doing. That to me is a flight.

[Vinnie]

It should come out and pat you. Let me. This is the Epstein survivor. They're asking. They're begging congress to release the videos. Tell me this doesn't bother you. Go ahead, Rob.

[Pat]

How old.

[Vinnie]

How old were they? Watch this.

[Pat]

I suffered so much pain.

[Tom]

So much pain. So much pain. I suffered so much pain. I was 14 years old.

[Pat]

I was 16 years old.

[Adam]

I was 16.

[Tom]

17.

[Vinnie]

14 years old.

[Tom]

14.

[Pat]

This is me.

[Adam]

This was me.

[Tom]

This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

[Pat]

This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

[Tom]

There are about a thousand of us.

[Vinnie]

A thousand. A thousand girls. You can stop it, Rob. That's why Adam. I don't care. These people need justice. And imagine the ones that we don't know. I'M sorry, Adam. Let it all come down. That's my opinion. I'm sorry. Sorry.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Pat]

I mean, look, I, I get your position. I get your position. This is nasty. Every time I watch these documentaries with these girls, you go to a point where you, you want to hurt this guy. If that's, if that's a family, somebody related to you, a close friend of yours, you want to hurt this guy. But this is not stopping here because I think, Rob, if you have the clip of. Is it Ro Khanna, Is it Tom? Is it Thomas Massie and mtg, Is there, is there a story there about that? Where. Do you know which one I'm talking about?

[Tom]

I do have this clip. Thomas Massie. He warns Republicans against voting against the release of the episode.

[Pat]

Go for it.

[Vinnie]

I would remind my Republican colleagues who.

[Tom]

Are deciding how to vote.

[Vinnie]

Donald Trump can protect you in red.

[Pat]

Districts right now by giving you an endorsement. But in 2030, he's not going to be the president and you will have.

[Vinnie]

Voted to protect pedophiles.

[Pat]

If you don't vote to release these files and the president can't protect you.

[Tom]

Then this, this vote, the record of.

[Vinnie]

This vote will last longer than Donald Trump's.

[Pat]

Okay, so that's Thomas Massie. President Trump responds to Thomas Massie and he says the following about Thomas Massie. Pretty brutal what he said to him. Not. Not holding him back. The Thomas Massie, sometimes referred to as Rand Paul Jr because the fact that he always votes against Republican Party. Get married already. Boy, that was quick. No wonder the polls have him at less than 8% chance of winning the election. Anyway. Have a great life, Thomas. His wife will soon find out that she's stuck with a loser.

[Adam]

Getting ugly.

[Pat]

Yeah. So. So look.

[Adam]

And then, and then this issue did not begin here.

[Pat]

Over this has been going on.

[Adam]

Some people aren't familiar with Thomas Massey because as much as we maybe talk about him in, in our maybe circles, this is. Guy's not a household name. He doesn't have national name significance. I'm not saying he's inconsequential, but the average person does not know who Thomas Massey is. Everybody knows who Trump is. No.

[Pat]

So he has Thomas, but Thomas Massey is not a lightweight. He's a fighter. He's not a guy that you, you can, you can push around and think he's nobody. And here's lightweight Congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene. Green grass turns brown when it begins to rot. Betrayed the entire Republican Party when she turned left. Performed poorly on the pathetic view and became the rhino that we all Know, she always was just another fake politician, no different than Rand Paul Jr. Thomas Massie, who got caught being a full fledged Republican in name only. Rino, Make America great again. All right, while this is going on, this is her saying she wants to change her position on the rhetoric. And Rob, that's a perfect clip if you got that, cuz it's all over the place. Go ahead.

[Vinnie]

Rob, you were one of his biggest supporters.

[Tom]

What do you think happened here?

[Pat]

Well, Dana, thank you for having me on.

[Tom]

And that is true. I stood with President Trump when virtually no one else did. Campaigned all over the country, spent millions of my own dollars helping him get elected. And I think that's incredibly important. And I do support him and his administration and I support them in delivering the campaign promises we made to the American people. His remarks, of course, have been hurtful. However, I have something in my heart that I think is incredibly important for our country, and that is to end the toxic fighting in politics. And this has been going on for years and it has divided our country, split up friends and families, neighbors, and it's not solving our problems. The most hurtful thing he said, which is absolutely untrue, is he called me a traitor. And that is, that is so extremely wrong. And those are the types of words used that can radicalize people against me and put my life in danger.

[Pat]

Okay, so that's, that's that tweet. Okay, the back and forth again, not pretty nasty. But she was right. She, I mean, there's highlight reels of her going after a lot of different people.

[Adam]

She's been a big Trump ally.

[Pat]

Yeah, she has been. And you know, when she won, she's a reason why McCarthy's not the speaker of the House. So she, she played over here, here's the phone. That one picture, you know which one I'm talking about, where he's like, you're talking to the President. And this is at a time where the President was not necessarily didn't fully have all the Republicans. What's this one about, Rob?

[Tom]

This is President Trump responding to Marjorie Taylor Greene last night about her being threatened when he calls her.

[Pat]

Go ahead, Rob.

[Tom]

Danger. Because of the rhetoric, her life is in danger.

[Pat]

Who's that?

[Tom]

Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[Adam]

She says Marjorie Trader Greener.

[Pat]

I don't think, frankly, I don't think anybody cares. Cares about her. Yeah. So that, that's the part of the President. You, you, you cross the line. He gets to this point. Now what will happen? Who knows? While the files are being released and they're going back and Forth and do they're doing what they're doing. The one last tweet I want to show. Rob, actually play that clip. Is this the one that says Epstein wasn't a pedophile? Yeah. There's two clips I want to play. One is this one and another clip I want to play from Julian Assange from 10 years ago. But go ahead and play this clip first. Rob, go for it.

[Tom]

As for Epstein, I've said this before.

[Vinnie]

Which is a reminder.

[Tom]

I do know somebody very, very close to this case who is in a position to know virtually everything. Not everything, but virtually everything. And this person has told me from the start, years and years ago, that Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile. This is this person's view who was there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type. Like he liked 15 year old girls. And I, I realize this is disgusting. I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this. I'm just giving you facts that he wasn't into like 8 year olds, but he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal to a passerby. And that is what I believed and that was what I reliably was told for many years. And it wasn't until we heard from Pam Bondi that they had tens of thousands of videos of alleged, forgive me, they used to call it kitty porn, now they call it child sexual abuse material on his computer that for the first time I thought, oh no, he was an actual pedophile. I mean, only a pedophile gets off on young children abuse videos. She's never clarified it. I don't know whether it's true. I have to be honest. I don't really trust Pam Bondi's word on the Epstein matter anymore. Yeah.

[Vinnie]

So I don't know.

[Pat]

Yeah, Pam lost a lot of credibility. But what do you think about the definition?

[Vinnie]

My thing is this. If they're under 15, 15 or under, like you're going like if there was a, if it was up to me and the whole castration and then, you know, put them to death. Like the. What? I, I don't care how, like definitions of what's a pedophile and what's not about were they underage and did you destroy their lives, period? And mind you, this is what the insider thinks and whatever. Nobody was on that island. Nobody has seen the footage. Who knows what else they were into? Who, if you're on an island by yourself and nobody's watching you and you're protected as all hell, as obviously that we've seen. Who knows what they're doing back. Because I thought about this. If these underage girls or underage or whoever with, with all these people with all these recognizable faces, you can't just let all them just go back into society. And come back where? To the United States or whatever. No, you have to, like, in my opinion, Pat, you got to get rid of them. You. Let's just say. I'm just saying, let's just say figuratively speaking, an underage girl, 14, 15, whatever the age is, is with a Bill Clinton or a Bill Gates or whatever, and they, and they know who they are and they see their face, you're going to release that person back into the United States of America and say, hey, go for it. No, the, the logical thing is you get rid of them, you have to kill them because they cannot spread the word of. I saw Bill Clinton. Oh, that guy. Oh, yeah. I think I can care less about it.

[Pat]

What are you thinking, Tom?

[Tom]

So I think, first of all, Megyn Kelly, I'll make this quick. Megyn Kelly took a lot of heat over the weekend for that comment. She gave a very legal, reasoned argument, but in a hyper emotional topic and people, you know, overreacted that she was giving him a get out of jail free card. She wasn't, nor was she reclassifying him. She carefully described the source she had. She carefully couched where it came from and what she believed. And then she referenced Pam Bondi. This is the Attorney General, United States, getting caught on an open mic in a restaurant and the next day on the driveway at the White House talking to the media. So on that one, I don't understand why everybody was so just out of their shoes on Megyn Kelly, who I think is a strong lawyer, you know, and a solid individual. And in my opinion, and everybody comes out of their shoes. Now, to your point, Vinnie, what you have always said is if there were people of power that were on that island and they were with the underage girls, you know, age of consent, depending on the, you know, the state. But 14 is, I don't think across.

[Vinnie]

The board, it's bad.

[Tom]

And I don't get in trouble here. I think that Kentucky had 14 for a long time or something. Okay, but, but anyway, you get to 14, 13, it's like 50 states, age of consent. If that's what was going on, I agree these people should be brought to justice. I also think what's going on right now, watch this you and your brother are texting back and forth about being out past midnight, and that was your dad's curfew, your mom's curfew, and getting drunk. I've got texts. I'm your brother. You've got texts. We both text each other. You get in hot water with dad and then you scream, release the text. Release the text. What am I going to say? No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Vinnie]

Stop, stop.

[Tom]

Hang on, hang on, hang on. So I, I think there's a little of that going on. And everybody's trying to play the distraction card. Pat, J.B. pritzker, he's trying to distract from Epstein. Clinton shut up about Epstein. He's trying to distract from the shutdown. It was almost that all the. Pat, remember, you know, when all the news media.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Tom]

They harmonize on the same word. You had Democrats all weekend long harmonizing on distract. Always just trying to distract, really. So it did not appear that There is a 600 people in Washington. Excuse me, I'll do this. There was not 250 people in Congress, you know, you know, more than a majority who are, who are all together saying, release the Epstein files. They say Trump won't release the files. That's always their accusation. Trump won't do it. But nobody else appears to want it to go out either. And they don't want to vote. And that was the point Thomas Massie's making. Nobody wants to be on.

[Pat]

Yeah, I mean, listen, this is what it comes down to. Joe Bliss just did a super chat right now. We rarely give shout outs to super chats. Trump should have released the files from the beginning like he campaigned on. I don't think he campaigned on it. However, I do believe this could have been very easily solved if he would have done that. And quick shout out to George, Hans, Ben as well. On listening to this with the FLBs, you'll say for it. And then, Joe, much love to you as well. Appreciate you guys. But let me go back to this. So from the beginning, the more and more and more and more and more, he kept trying to dodge this, to not do it. It led to this. Now it's release, it's going to move on. It's going to be done right. So who has access to information if they could find out if anybody was involved with this or not. Do you remember Julian Assange? And do you remember Snowden?

[Vinnie]

Yep.

[Pat]

Okay, here's Megyn Kelly when she was at Fox. Have you seen this clip?

[Vinnie]

No.

[Pat]

She's interviewing Assange and look what she asks Assange nearly 10 years ago. Go ahead, Rob. I gotta ask you about the US election.

[Tom]

As you point out, you're not an.

[Pat]

American citizen, you're an Australian.

[Tom]

You know, you're clearly not rooting for Hillary, but are you rooting for Trump?

[Pat]

No.

[Adam]

I mean, it's if, if we have.

[Pat]

Good information on Trump, we publish that. If we have good information, he'll be the Democrats. We publish that.

[Tom]

It is a bit concerning. The allegations that by the Clinton campaign.

[Pat]

That everyone is a Russian agent are really disturbing. Why is that? Well, because bizarrely, Hillary Clinton, the Democrat has become.

[Tom]

Has positioned herself now to be the security candidate.

[Pat]

She's powered up with a neocons response responsible for the Iraq war, and she's grabbed on to this kind of Neo McCarthy hysteria about Russia and is using.

[Tom]

That to demonize the Trump campaign.

[Pat]

The Trump campaign has all sorts of things wrong with it, but as far as we can see, being Russian agents is not one of them.

[Adam]

You know, some people have asked us.

[Pat]

When will you release information on Donald Trump?

[Adam]

And of course, we are very interested.

[Pat]

In all countries to reveal the truth.

[Tom]

About different candidates that people can understand.

[Adam]

But it actually, it's really hard for us to release anything worse than what.

[Pat]

Comes out of Donald Trump's mouth every second day.

[Adam]

I mean, it's part of his charismatic.

[Pat]

Appeal that he speaks on. But the point, that's the credibility. So that's the credibility to say if there's any guy that had anything to release on, it's a lot of these guys. But I want to go back to something here while we're covering this, because the technicality of, what do you call it, pedophilia and all this stuff. So Iranian military, Rob, if you can go to this tweet like this is they should have never done this. Can you first go to their tweet? They tweet the tweet of the president saying the best president, the White House. And then the Iran military monitor says, in Iran we hang pedophiles.

[Adam]

Oh, really?

[Pat]

In the US they are made presidents and senators. Now, can you imagine, by the way, this is not like it's a small account. Can you go to the account so we see how many followers they got? 1.6 million followers. And it's followed by some people. So you go back monitoring Iran's military activities and capabilities. Can you go back to the Twitter account? No, it's all good capability. Since 2009, Independent Media. So they're trying to edify Iran. Now go back and see the tweet that I Brought to these guys one more backdrop. And I said the following. I said, you hang pedophiles. And Khomeini's book, who is one of the top five most important figures in the, in the religion, especially Iran. Tahrir Al Wasilah. He said a man can marry a girl younger than nine years old. However, he is not permitted to have vaginal intercourse with her until she reaches nine. Did you hang him or is he not considered pedophilia in Iran? And if you go to the, to the bottom section, the readers, this is Iran legally allows girls today under 10 to be married to adult majors of any age. What think about this. Civil Code 2007 prohibits marriage before the age of majority. But for girls, the age of majority is 8 years old and 9 months.

[Adam]

This is still happening.

[Pat]

This is grok. This is. You can even go to the bottom and check with grok. If Khomeini did say something like that, a bunch of guys are fact checking it. So this is when Iran gets involved in a story that you shouldn't get involved in and then backfires anyway.

[Adam]

Hypocrisy.

[Pat]

If there's anybody, watch. Look, look at this. This one guy asked, is that true? Okay, yes. Khomeini's book permits a man to contract marriage with a girl younger than 9 lunar years age, though it prohibits vaginal course until she reaches nine. This ruling aligns with traditional interpretation. Can you imagine this? Okay, so, so, so a lot of, a lot of people are sitting here going back and forth. I think this could have been prevented if it was done from the beginning. But I do think there was some relationships and some ways of holding people hostage as well as some of the people that you're talking about. But it is what it is. Now it's out. I think they're voting for tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken. Right, Rob, Is it tomorrow that they're voting for it? Yeah, they're voting for tomorrow. So we'll stay tuned and we'll see where it goes to next. The next story I want to get to is the following. Is Venezuela okay? Trump escalates pressure on Venezuela, but endgame is unclear. If you go on Marco Rubio's tweet. Rob, if you don't mind. This is where Marco Rubio suddenly the US Decides to put Venezuela on Maduro on a list. And what kind of a list is this? Not just any list. And when you see a list like this, what does it make you think about? Watch this. State Department intends to designate cartel Los Solas as a Foreign terrorist organization, fto. Headed by illegitimate Nicolas Maduro. The group has corrupted the institutions of government in Venezuela and is responsible for terrorist violence conducted by and with other designated FTOs, as well as for trafficking drugs into the US and to Europe. When you do something like that, Tom, if the average person was to read that, can you interpret what that really means? To me, it only means one thing. But what does it mean to you?

[Tom]

Well, a week ago, Maduro was saying, can you please remove the bounty on me? And there were rumors that unsubstantiated as to how many things he said, but apparently a week ago, he was trying to negotiate backdoor with the US Government to, you know, you remove the bounty and to figure something out. Right. What this means is, dude, did they just double the bounty? And they're doubling down on the language on the bounty. I mean, if you're a Maduro, I mean, don't go, don't go on a. Don't, you know, you won't go on a fishing boat in the middle of a lake. You might get hit.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Tom]

So it's like, be careful where you do.

[Pat]

It's a bad time for him to go fishing.

[Tom]

A bad time to be on a boat in your driveway.

[Vinnie]

Yeah. I mean, if. What he's basically like me, average Joe. If I read that if you're designating them as terrorists and he's the head of it, you're a terrorist leader.

[Pat]

But what does that mean?

[Vinnie]

That means that we could go and attack on the land as well.

[Pat]

We don't have to worry.

[Vinnie]

Wherever they are, we're going to send missiles.

[Tom]

That means if a tomahawk lands in your. In your oatmeal, you know that there's, you know, nothing you can do about it, so.

[Pat]

Which means Marco Rubio and Trump could have followed up with a T shirt with the White House logo on it saying fafo. Right. And my dude's picture on it. Right. And that would have been. That would have sold. Well.

[Vinnie]

Can I ask you a question from someone that's not. Like, I haven't been following this much. I just, I just see the bombing of, of the, of the boats and I see the outrage. People are like. Like Charlemagne, the God was like, they could be fishermen, whatever.

[Pat]

Charlemagne didn't say that.

[Vinnie]

He said that they. Yeah, him. And I just love that.

[Tom]

Well, you know what's really funny about that? In the, in the late 80s, you know what they used to call the marijuana that would wash up up in Florida?

[Vinnie]

What?

[Tom]

Square groupers.

[Vinnie]

Oh, that's Hilarious.

[Tom]

So maybe he was out. Charlemagne's out there fishing for square groupers.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

Like so. So here's my question. Why is America getting involved? I mean, if you look in the surface, okay, they're sending boats. Maduro. Are they trying. I've heard some people saying that they're trying to. Because the CIA has done this before, get rid of a leader and put somebody that we want in there. And my question is, why would they want to do that? What does Venezuela have that we want?

[Tom]

Can you see board CIA agents at Starbucks this morning? Hey, man, you see they got the. The. They got the bounty on his head. He says, yeah, yeah. But you see what the President did over the weekend? Yeah, we're in.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, we got it.

[Pat]

What's this?

[Tom]

We can go out.

[Adam]

We can go out.

[Pat]

Let's watch this. He didn't say that.

[Adam]

They're fishing. Yeah.

[Pat]

You know what I'm saying?

[Vinnie]

And they just said, nah, that's a drug boat.

[Pat]

Do y' all really believe that they're just blowing up fishermen in Venezuela? I think it's possible.

[Vinnie]

I think it's possible.

[Tom]

Come on, y'.

[Pat]

All.

[Tom]

Yes. This is where you lose the plot.

[Pat]

This won't be the first.

[Vinnie]

The first time that the Trump administration.

[Pat]

Has not measured twice to cut once.

[Adam]

Yeah, but this is the same guy who's using signal.

[Pat]

Yeah, but this is where you lose the plot, man. Like, this is what's going to happen. Well, here's the thing.

[Adam]

To your point, it's like getting upset.

[Pat]

At Trump for renovating the White House.

[Adam]

Like, there's all these people who've never even been in the White House. You just out there.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, like they're out there. By the way, Charlemagne, I don't take anything that he says serious. Everything he's saying, he's reading off of his phone or off his computer on the Breakfast Club. But I'm thinking, what does Venezuela have? What's there that if. If we had to go there and take rid of Maduro and put in our guy. What does Venezuela have, Thomas? Minerals. Is it oil? What does Venezuela have? I'm just curious. I'm trying to piece it.

[Tom]

Reapers, Cachapas. You know, they got a. They got a few things.

[Pat]

If you're being sarcastic, if you want to rap, can you go pull up? There are the biggest oil reserves in the world by country. Go look it up.

[Tom]

They're like the one member of OPEC that's not in the Middle East.

[Vinnie]

Okay, so I get it.

[Pat]

Type in biggest oil reserves in the world. In the world, by Ranking. Yeah, there you go. So check watch. This watch is where they rank. They have this thing called oil. Oh, oh, 303 billion barrels. Look who's number two. Saudi. That you think is one is two. Then it's Iran, then it's Canada, then it's Iraq.

[Vinnie]

So I can understand how or why we would want.

[Pat]

Listen, I think to me, it's a couple different things. I think one is probably. This is a, you know, one thing that I think the President is aware of. I think that, like, when you bring your leaders in, you want your secretary of State to be the best one ever. Yeah. You want your VP to be the best one ever. You want your guys to do the best ever. And I think it's his way of giving them the victory for 2028. I think this is going to be a big victory for Rubio on. Rubio is going to pick up this victory if they're able to do what they're doing with Venezuela. By the way, a lot of people are like, well, I don't think we should use taxpayer money. I know this Chilean guy who's an insider with the CIA guy. Like, I don't. I don't want, you know, you know, the money for this, because what if this and what if that. And I get that argument as well on the taxes. But I think it's one, this is Rubio's victory. Two, it's the oil to protect. They're close to us. They're not that far. You know, it's not like you're dealing with somebody in the Middle East. I think those could be some of the reasons, but who knows? Adam, your thoughts now?

[Adam]

Everything has been encapsulated here. I think I'm on Team Trump here, man. I mean, look, if we kind of boil down what's going on with Marjorie Taylor Greene, with Thomas Massie, with all these individuals out there, I actually totally understand where they're coming from, because who's their allegiance to? It should be as a representative to their constituency.

[Vinnie]

Love that word, your favorite word.

[Adam]

But as you get bigger and you're responsible for more people, your message needs to start to unify, and your message needs to go from me to we. So when you go from representative to senator to governor to President of the United States, you have a lot more people that are leaning in on you, and the agenda is that much more important. So, to me, I totally understand why Trump is doing all these amazing things. Tariffs, border, peace deals, everything. And you have this one thorn in your side, and Trump is not the type of person to mince words. You're saying he said, all I care about is getting back on message. This is removing that sort of angst that he has going on right there.

[Pat]

Rob just asked a very good question on the, on the, on the, on the poll. What will, Will the US Military conduct land strikes in Venezuela?

[Vinnie]

I say yes. Land strikes Venezuela, because Rubio saying that they're going to be. Because if he's labeled them terrorists, bro, they're going to go, what do you think? Boats.

[Tom]

So I think they have to be very, very careful. And one of the things that wasn't brought up just now is that you have to keep in mind just how much China has in Venezue Venezuela, China made it's under 100 billion, but I think it's heading toward there in the loans that they've made to Venezuela for oil production. And CNPC, which is Chinese National Petroleum Company, has all these JVs. We can find out how many JVS they actually have. Two years ago, there were leaks coming out that. No, no, it was one jv. No, it was two. No, it was three. Wall Street Journal reported that there was more than that, that they've got all these JVS going around, not get there. So if you're going to get in there, you gotta be careful in these coastal areas because there's a bunch of Chinese projects that are there and you don't want to piss them off at a time where you're trying to negotiate. Venezuela is a. Is a fricking Jenga game here in our hemisphere.

[Pat]

Did you see who's sending protection to Venezuela? Did you see who's sending protection to Venezuela?

[Tom]

No, I did not.

[Pat]

Have you seen that, Rob? Have you seen who is sending protection to Venezuela?

[Adam]

Who is it?

[Pat]

Okay, I'll send you this, right?

[Tom]

Is it Russia? Because Russia has tended to back up, you know, customers of its weapons.

[Pat]

Okay, Rob, do me a favor. Watch this here. Rob, I'm going to see. Go ahead and play this clip. Watch this. Go for it. Iran is sending drones to Venezuela for Venezuela to use in potential strikes against American warships. If the US Decides on Venezuela, this could turn into a major international crisis. Venezuelan officials said we are almost certainly in need of these Iranian drones with a range of 1,000km. But it's not just Iran. China is also preparing to send military equipment to Venezuela, meaning the US could be facing a serious fight if tensions escalate. Just a week ago, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro sent a letter directly to China. Ironically, that letter was intercepted by the US Revealing what was Inside. In the message, Venezuela asked for expanded military cooperation between Venezuela and China. Russia has already supplied Venezuela with air defense systems, missiles and other weapons. It's very likely that Russia's allies, China and Iran, will also continue sending military support to Venezuela. Whether this situation becomes a serious challenge for the United States or just another manageable conflict remains to be seen. Follow for the latest updates. Okay, so how does that make you feel when you see that? What does that make you think about?

[Tom]

It means you got to be pretty fricking careful about toppling Maduro because there's some very powerful people that are interested in him. And this is the thing that I've been worried about. The Iranian drones here, I understand what they're doing. They're protecting an OPEC brother. That's the way they see it. They see it as an OPEC brother, not a brother in Muslim faith, but they do see it as their side of the balance sheet economic ally, and that's not a surprise. And China also has been helping Venezuela with satellites for a long time. So China's got the satellites up there to help you sense if people are coming to attack you and they're getting drones from this. And so what we have to do behind the curtain is saying, listen, listen, this guy is a nutcase. He's destabilizing our region. It's on our front door. Don't screw with me while I take care of this. That's gotta be the Trump message to China and Iran.

[Vinnie]

I don't know what Russia's involvement is happening. In February 2025, Venezuela exports of crude and fuel averaged 934,000 barrels per day. 503,000 went to China.

[Tom]

So they're, they're so over 50% of the oil export. What was the date?

[Vinnie]

February 2025.

[Tom]

Okay, so earlier this year in first quarter, you know, they're sending more than half of the oil to China that does not have oil.

[Vinnie]

And there's no. I couldn't find anything why Russia would be sending air defense, because they're not really doing the oil situation with them. But obviously China, I mean, Russia's involved as well.

[Adam]

I don't know about you guys. The last country I'm worried about at this point is, Is Iran. They've had their chance to, quote, unquote, be the big dog. They've lost everything. All their proxies, all their clout, all their air capabilities, nothing. And while their people in Iran are basically struggling for survival. You're telling me. I'm worried about what they're going to do in a proxy war with Venezuela. Not even worried a little bit. Trump is utilizing the Monroe Doctrine, which is essentially like stay the hell out of the Western hemisphere. For China or Russia or Iran specifically to think that they're going to be the have an agenda to topple anything that is going on in the American hegemony to me is fruitless and will not, not do anything. Another thing is, do you remember when they said that about Syria? Oh, Syria is going to fall. Now they have this new, you know, terrorists dressed up in a suit. We, you know, what's going to happen there? Who's going to come to the defense? Russia did not come to the defense. There was their biggest advocate. Iran did not help them because they're dealing with their own issues. Some of the reason that we're still involved in Ukraine is because if we keep Russia preoccupied, they can't fund certain things. Russia, China, Iran. You notice that this sort of like three card Monty that they keep doing were spending their money, they're spending their assets, they're spending their resources to basically stay afloat. I'm not worried about them taking down the United States. What I think the American people are worried about, nobody, and I mean nobody is in favor of troops on the ground. In Venezuela, we weren't a fan of it. In Iran, we weren't a fan of it in Israel and Gaza, certainly not a fan of it in our own hemisphere. At the same time, this guy Maduro guy's gotta go and I think his time is up. It's just a matter of time.

[Tom]

I think we're going to get it done and Rubio is going to take.

[Adam]

The W. Good for him. And nobody knows more about what's going on in Latin America, Cuba.

[Tom]

But can it be messy then Rubio? A lot of risk. Sure.

[Pat]

Yeah, I do think it's going to be messy, but I think it's going to happen fairly quickly as well. Okay, next one. Rob. I'm doing this very quick, guys. I don't want to stay on the story for too long. The whole BBC back and forth that they cut that video. Trump is officially suing BBC for $5 billion despite the apology. But for 5 billion. Think about how big this manipulation is from a journalistic company that lacks integrity. Where the President has suing you for $5 billion, where your CEO has to resign. Rob, go ahead. We'll sue them for anywhere between A billion and $5 million, probably sometime next week. So you really. Well, I think I have to do it.

[Vinnie]

I mean, it's, they've Even admitted that they cheated.

[Pat]

I mean, not that they couldn't have not done that. They cheated. They changed the words coming out of my mouth.

[Vinnie]

That's worse than what CBS did with Kamala.

[Pat]

They changed your answer, but it showed, you know, coming out of her mouth.

[Vinnie]

He's gonna own. He's gonna. They're gonna, they're gonna change BBC to. But I channel.

[Pat]

But I think this is going to change the game. Oh, but I think this is going to change the game. I think it's going to change the game because I think it's also going to change the game in the next 10, 20 years. You know what I. What else I think is going to happen? Podcasts are going to go through this.

[Vinnie]

Like they have to watch every single.

[Pat]

No, no, no. If you become a very big podcast, you got 10 million viewers a week, 20 million viewers a week. Don't forget, Cronkite used to get 30 million viewers every time he was on because there was only a couple of shows back in the day. So it's not like he had a lot of competition. Three shows he was compet. Competing with. So two or three shows he was competing with. So if that happens with podcast and guys are coming out saying, you know, fake stuff, fake stuff, and doing it themselves as well, I think there's some, some. I don't think this is going away. I think the, the level of. I mean, of course the podcast thing is going to be different because they're going to say, well, I'm just a podcast conversation. I'm a talking kid. I'm not somebody that went to school, Columbia to start BBC, mba, journalists. That's not where I'm at. You know, just like comedians are like, I'm just a comedian, man. I'm just a comedian. I'm just a podcaster. But I do think this accountability for companies like BBC, cbs, that's actually a very good thing that has taken place. Tom.

[Tom]

So two things. We covered it last podcast, but we'll say it again. We have to remember, she that resigned was the past president of NBC News. For the four years before and after 2016 election, she was the president of NBC News. And so she was doing things over here and she was presiding over reporting that a lot of people talked about. Right? A lot of people had issues with that. You know, I'm not going to go point by point, but there were things that were going on. And she was the president of NBC News 2013, 2017. There's those four years spanned over 2016, that election. And so she was there with Russia, she was there with those things, and that's what she was doing. So was she personally approving it? I don't know. You were the president of NBC News when all this stuff was going down, number one. Number two, the words to watch out for. Pat's absolutely right. Are newsworthy and public opinion. The minute. Why did they use insurgency? Insurgency, insurgency, insurgency. Because that's the word in the Constitution. The lawsuit will swing on newsworthy and public opinion. And in the future, if a pot. Well, that podcast has got 20 million views a week, you know, and what they talk about is news worthy and moves public opinion and they give a forum to candidates. Bang. That's right. That moment. He's right. Now you're gonna have people coming after podcasts because you were too newsworthy and too much public opinion on the opposite side from their candidates. And they're going to come after you.

[Pat]

Rob, what is this?

[Tom]

This is Alexis. Yes, this came down late last week. Cash Patel's girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins. She is currently suing three podcasters who claimed or at least alleged or said that she may be a Mossad honeypot.

[Pat]

Did she. Did they allege or did they say once.

[Vinnie]

Go, Rob, go ahead.

[Pat]

How did they say it?

[Tom]

What I could find. Elijah Schaefer just made tweets about it, but they weren't even tweets saying that she was a honeypot. It was just, they were connecting different tweets that he put out that kind of linked it to the idea that she's a honeypot. But there was no tweet where he's like, this woman is working on behalf of Israel.

[Pat]

Got it.

[Adam]

It's a pretty.

[Vinnie]

It's a pretty wild like. And one guy did a long podcast about it. It's crazy that the director of the FBI's girlfriend's going after these people, which I don't think they're not going to win. But Pat, just to give a heads up, I'm so happy when I hear the story about Trump. All the fake news, all the Jim Acosta, all the Trump collusion, all the lying. And I'm so happy to. Just to give you guys a little Tally, he sued YouTube 25.5 million Meta 25 million x 10 million CBS, Paramount, 16 million. ABC News, Disney, 16 million. That's a combined total of $92,500,000. Good for all of you.

[Pat]

Good. Rob, who's this?

[Tom]

This is Elijah Schaefer, one of the podcasters. It's being sued by Alexis Watkins. Here he is talking about the actual lawsuit and what he said about her. Since Cash Patel was appointed as director.

[Pat]

Of the FBI in February of 2025.

[Tom]

The conspiratorial corners of the Internet and social media have been spreading false narratives about Ms. Wilkins as an Israeli Mossad agent, spy or quote honeypot who is only in the relationship with Cash Patel to spy on and manipulate the United States government defendants. Wordless reply. It goes on to say, so to clarify, before we go any further, if.

[Pat]

You post a public photo of a.

[Tom]

Government official and his romantic partner, who he's not married to, very important fact.

[Vinnie]

We'll talk about you as a private.

[Tom]

Citizen or a member of the press. Can be bankrupted, have your entire company shut down, or completely mocked, slandered, and.

[Vinnie]

Dragged through Law Fair because of what? Because of your First Amendment protected rights. Now, I believe that this lawsuit is.

[Tom]

Not only attack on our First Amendment.

[Vinnie]

And our constitutional rights given to us.

[Adam]

By God, but I believe this is.

[Vinnie]

Also a violation of slap ordinances.

[Pat]

This seems to be a proxy lawsuit.

[Vinnie]

If anything, from Cash Patel himself, and.

[Tom]

I have the evidence to prove it.

[Vinnie]

And rob. He said wordless. So he just posted the photo. So he didn't even.

[Pat]

He didn't.

[Vinnie]

He didn't allege or say anything. Just the photo alone is gonna get him a lawsuit. That's pretty wild, bro.

[Pat]

I mean, that you can do that, but it doesn't mean you're winning. Okay, the difference between some of these versus what BBC did. They manipulated and put a different word that he said.

[Vinnie]

Exactly.

[Pat]

CBS manipulated. This guy's given an opinion. I think sometimes you have to be careful with certain lawsuits. You know, in the last 30 years. Do you know how many people we've sued in the last 30 years? How many people. You think I've been involved in suing others in the last 30 years? Since 26 years.

[Vinnie]

PHP everything.

[Pat]

Everything I've ever done. How many people think I've been a part of suing?

[Vinnie]

5.

[Pat]

Tom, what do you think the numbers?

[Tom]

I think probably about 15 people, because a couple of the suits involved multiple defendants, and it was one big suit where people were doing really bad things.

[Pat]

Now watch this. In the last 15 years, how many times have we have we been asked to sue people that we didn't sue?

[Tom]

Oh, my gosh. It was weekly hundreds.

[Pat]

It was weekly hundreds. The point I'm trying to make to you.

[Tom]

I'm having a tough time in Albuquerque. Can you sue?

[Pat]

This person said this. That person did this. This.

[Vinnie]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Pat]

So you got to be selective in some of these things. Because if you just go left and right, you're bringing more attention to it than anything else.

[Adam]

You know, signal over noise.

[Pat]

Yeah, I'm so not a fan of. But if you do steal and you do lie, like, we have a handful we're going through right now. Everybody needs to know what you did. You need to be held accountable no matter what. And, you know, we're going through a process right now, but anyways. Okay, so let's go to the next one here. Next one I want to get to is which one should I go to? We got so many good ones here. Let's go to Michelle Obama. Let's go to Michelle Obama, folks. Watch this one here. Michelle Obama lashes out at white people, folks. If you're white, earmuffs.

[Adam]

If you're white, it ain't right.

[Pat]

You're gonna like what she has to say.

[Tom]

So this is a news flash.

[Pat]

And she's. Anyways, she also talks about whether why she's not in front not running for president. It's kind of your fault why she's not. But go ahead, Rob. Let me explain something to white people. Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a curly pattern. So when we're straightening it to follow your beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness. That's why so many of us can't.

[Vinnie]

Swim and we run away from the water. People won't go to the gym because.

[Tom]

We'Re trying to keep our hair straight for y'.

[Pat]

All. It is exhausting and it's so expensive and it takes up so much time.

[Vinnie]

Oh, braids are for y' all so.

[Pat]

We can work harder and focus on the work. So why do we need an act?

[Tom]

An act of law?

[Pat]

I don't know what you say to.

[Tom]

Get out of our hair.

[Pat]

What is she saying? Tell me how to wear my hair. Don't wonder about it. She's telling her how to wear.

[Vinnie]

Nobody.

[Pat]

Is this based on something?

[Tom]

Nothing.

[Adam]

Are we talking about Becky with the good hair that Jay Z was dealing.

[Vinnie]

With with Beyonce, Michelle Obama? I'm a victim and I'm complaining Tor. And I'm. I. I am sick and tired. Have you heard one positive podcast interview? Whatever they're doing, Ted, I don't. Everything. She's one of the most powerful, influential women in the world. Okay. And you're pressured by white people to iron your hair. My sister iron. So, like, first of all, irons are for shirts and pants. Keep it off your damn hair.

[Adam]

Ok?

[Vinnie]

And I'm just. I'm just tired. Her net worth is 70 million okay, Martha's vineyard mansion. She has Hawaii houses. $50 million Netflix deals. She flies on private jets. But America is this racist. I have to do. You don't have to do nothing. Go Colin Kaepernick. Nobody gives a damn about your hair. You made it. You were the first lady and just complaining and complaining. And her on top of Barack going around and complaining and scaring and fear pointing everybody and telling minorities, you have to vote for the minority because that's how we roll.

[Pat]

Here's her talking about why she's not running for president. Go ahead, Rob. So thank you all for being there for us.

[Vinnie]

You stepped into a role that carried.

[Tom]

A preconceived idea of femininity and wifedom that was founded on the landmines of racism and the misogyny.

[Vinnie]

What the first lady wears is one.

[Pat]

Of the main ways that a first lady talked about.

[Tom]

Marlene has so much historical expectation. How do you feel about the fact.

[Pat]

That the first lady, she's actually a.

[Tom]

Satellite type for wifedom and femininity?

[Pat]

Yeah, I don't agree with that. Don't. I don't agree with that. It's, you know, is a completely throwback on. It's a definition that has no current status in how women actually show up in the world today. Do you think that that impacts the room that we've made for a woman to be president? Well, as we saw in this past election, sadly, we ain't ready.

[Vinnie]

That's why I'm like, don't even look.

[Pat]

At me about running, because you all are lying. You're not ready for a woman. You are not. So don't waste my time. You know, we got a lot of growing up to do, and there's still. I'm sadly, a lot of men who do not feel like they can be led by a woman. And we saw it.

[Adam]

No.

[Pat]

What was the question? You can. Do you agree?

[Adam]

Listen, you use this term from time to time, and you say it's very unattractive. It's unattractive to me. It's unattractive. This, to me, is so unattractive. But it's great. I'm glad she's saying it out loud, because for years they've been tap dancing around whether Michelle Obama's gonna run. You know, I've been saying there's no indication of it. Stop saying it. We've had our issues with this.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, whatever.

[Adam]

She has no interest in running, nor will she be a viable candidate, because at one point, the Obamas were at least attempting to be a synergist. And a unifier. I'm so glad that she's revealing what she stands for, and I totally respect that. She's kind of like, advocating for her tribe. We all have. We're all part of the American tribe, but then we have our sub tribes, whether you're black, whether you're Jewish, whether you're Assyrian, whether you're part of the lgbt, whatever it is. But at the end of the day, America comes first. And if you're actively trying to basically start a issue between blacks and whites, which we were doing so much better before Obama, and even some may say Trump has been a divisive, but I think the Obamas have actually been more divisive than Trump on this racial issue.

[Vinnie]

Adam. No, I agree with you 100%. She's richer than 99.99% of Americans that are black, white, tall, shirt. And you're gonna lecture us about the systemic oppression and all that nonsense. And you know what? I don't want her as a president. Could you imagine her in the Situation Room? We're about to have. We have to launch a nuke. And they're like, where's Michelle? Like, she's ironing her hair.

[Adam]

She's ironing her hair.

[Vinnie]

Sorry, we're going to die. No, it's. It's just that I think. Look at her face. I'm not talking about her looks. She looks miserable. And I blame Barack Obama. I don't care. I blame him.

[Adam]

Let me circle back, and I know Tom needs to answer this. Let me go back to the thing she tried to say that Kamala didn't win because we weren't ready for a woman. Incorrect. America wasn't ready for that woman or.

[Pat]

Or.

[Vinnie]

Or Hillary Canada cheating.

[Adam]

That person. There's plenty of viable options out there. Thank goodness that we have Trump in office and not Kamala Harris.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, that victimhood does that bot. Like, every single time we have played a video of her, she has that look on her face like we owe her something, like she's suffering. Like a. Like what? What more do you want from this country? What more do you want? What more do you want?

[Tom]

Sometimes the biggest sign of weakness is how you give yourself permission not to win. And you sit there and you explain all the reasons why. Well, they're never gonna let me. It's like you're giving yourself permission not to win and wrap that in normal Democrat victimhood. I erase everything about that interview as if I was a blind person. And I don't see her hairstyle. I don't see her. I Just listen to her words. And she is speaking from weakness, from victimhood, and giving herself permission not to win. So that's why this will never happen. So it's not about me.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, good point.

[Pat]

Yeah. I mean, look, it is what it is with what he's, what she's, what she's saying. Like to me, if I look at this, I think she looks fine with all three of them.

[Vinnie]

I actually like the one I love better.

[Pat]

I actually, she looks fine with the curly hair. I think that's great. And her choice is her choice. But, but a couple months ago, she was doing something with a podcast and I said, why are you doing that? Go back to being fun. You were dancing, you were having fun. What are you doing? Going back to this, you know, tirade of victimhood mentality is the most unattractive thing to have. But she seems to keep going back to it no matter what. All right, let's go to the next door here. Next door I want to get to is Stephen A. Smith. Stephen A. Smith breaks silence over criticism that his political views are interfering with. With the $20 million a year ESPN role. Okay, interfering with his $20 million a year ESPN role. What are they talking about? Okay, let me read this to you. So the First Day cosigned $100 million deal with the network earlier. But Smith has also become increasingly political, even floating a possible run for president. In addition to his work with espn, Smith is prominent figure at Sirius xm, hosting a daily sports show and weekly political show, while he also hosted on his YouTube show on Friday. Smith was asked whether he ever worries that his ESPN fans might be turned off by his political views. But the host said he believes that in fact, his approach turns people on and is one of the reasons why his audience has grown. I don't worry about it because first of all, it's politics, it's sports. Rob, do you have that clip or looking for it? See if it's on the Twitter. I'm trying to see where the story is at Daily Mail. They probably would have that in that story as well. I don't bring you into espn. Thirdly, most importantly, I think it's important to remember that I'm a reasonable human being. What I do when I'm talking politics is that is what I do when I'm doing everything. I let you know how I feel and where I stand based on the fact that I presented to me. But I'm open minded to be corrected, which means I'm willing to engage in dialogue and I'm willing To talk with the other people. Talk with people and hear what they have to say. Adam, your thoughts on the story?

[Adam]

I mean, Stephen A. Smith is one of the most necessary voices we have in America, and I love what he said here. He's reasonable, he's willing to engage with everybody. And if he's wrong, he'll say he's wrong. Now, Stephen A. Smith, a lot of this fodder is coming after he signed this massive contract. Because we become friends with Stephen A. Smith, I got a massive respect from. I feel like he bit his tongue for a while as much as he could. Even during political season, as that contract negotiations were playing out, which felt like years in the making. But do I think he's running for any form of government? Zero percent. That's my opinion.

[Pat]

Could be wrong.

[Vinnie]

Zero is almost.

[Tom]

I don't see it.

[Vinnie]

100%.

[Adam]

I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't think he's going to do this. I think he's a necessary voice in what he's doing. He's a sports guy first, but also recognizes that his voice carries a lot of weight. So he can glean in on politics, he can glean in on current events, he can talk about culture. He's got a very good ticker on what the American public stands for. And I'm a full advocate of saying what he has to say.

[Vinnie]

Vinny, I. I listen to. I'm going to be real. I used to be the biggest sports maniac. Whatever. Like, it's the, the dichotomy of something that's. So if you think about it, in the scheme of life and the world and sports is meaningless. It's like, like Duck, Duck Goose with Kids could be on espn. It's not going to change the outcome of the world. What he's doing on the political side, I actually love because to me, he's had this, like, revelation. He's actually seen what's going on. He actually complained on his show. He invited everybody. He's like, he goes, the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Every Republican I've invited on the show comes on the show. He goes, chuck Schumer, I've invited. How many times he'd invited Rob. Do you have that clip where he says he's invited all these Democrats and none of them show. The one thing that bothered me is that he's. The show is friends with Hakeem Jeffries, of all people. I don't know what you have in Common with Hakeem Jeffries, but does this it, Rob?

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

Look, Pat on this air, invited on this show for four months. Democrats AOC has been invited on the show for four months. Gavin Newsom has been invited on this show for longer than that. Props to Hakeem Jeffries. He's a friend of the show, always welcome on here. I like that man. I respect him. God knows why Chuck Schumer's been invited on this show, hasn't shown up. He's grilling cheeseburgers with no fire.

[Pat]

Yeah, where they at?

[Vinnie]

Yeah, where they at?

[Pat]

You can pause. None of them.

[Vinnie]

Go ahead, look.

[Adam]

You know, menopause.

[Tom]

You know what I find really, what I find really crazy? What I find really interesting about Stephen A. Is that when his contract was announced, he said this. He said, I'm looking forward to doing a once a week more political show over on Sirius. And he had a little logo for the one on Sirius. He's got the little American flag with, with. And so he's like, I'm going to be speaking to the middle now. The middle. The middle to some people is different than the others. But he said he was doing this. He said, I got the. ESPN has given me the opportunity to do the serious show on here and then to do the first take show here. So why is this shocking? I'll tell you why it's shocking, because there's some people that are probably texting him privately from the one side of the aisle that are lying. Hey, man, why do you give anybody a platform? Why do you give this guy a platform? Give this guy. It's the same thing that Pat gets when certain people sit in the chair. Hey, why are you giving a platform to that guy?

[Adam]

Because you think Pat gets those kind of messages? No way.

[Tom]

Oh, my gosh. Let me tell you.

[Pat]

No way.

[Tom]

I'll say this. I like Stephen A. But I'll say this. If Stephen A. Smith got half of the level of vitriol and messages that Pat gets, I'm wondering in the contract, he would have asked for the carve out to do a Friday show. You know what maybe I'll just do first? Take, take the big contract and go. Because this is pretty, pretty, pretty heavy. But I'm, I look at it this way, what he just said. I'm trying to invite everybody. And then there's still people saying, why would you say that? Are you running? Are you doing this? Wait a minute. I wanted to express myself.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Tom]

As Michael Jordan said, Republicans buy shoes too. Buy sneakers too. So Stephen A. Smith, I'll do a political show and I'll talk to everybody.

[Adam]

Tell him one thing.

[Tom]

Suddenly this is a news flash and he's got to get.

[Adam]

Let me echo one thing. You're absolutely right. He said this. But more importantly, ESPN and Disney knew this ahead of time.

[Vinnie]

Of course they knew this came up.

[Adam]

In their contract negotiation. Hey, by the way, this YouTube show that you got going on, talking about politics. Before you sign this contract, here are the rules of engagement. You got it. You got it. You got. I guarantee that's part of the contract.

[Tom]

Maybe it took.

[Adam]

We are comfortable with this as long as you do this on your own channel and you don't bring politics to espn. The rules of engagement were already there.

[Vinnie]

And by the way, the haters are gonna. He's like the Deion Sanders of this. This politics and the sports. I'm telling you right now, Stephen A. Could go in on sports and then guess what? Take this hat, turn it boom and go politics. And he's nasty at both and they're just gonna hate.

[Adam]

But he does not know basketball more.

[Vinnie]

Than not than Patrick.

[Pat]

We know that.

[Adam]

Can you reaffirm that?

[Vinnie]

Don't go there.

[Adam]

Stop it.

[Vinnie]

Let's not go there.

[Pat]

Ask me questions about basketball. Do you see what happened with Patrick Beverly, his under age 18 under 18 year old daughter.

[Vinnie]

Is she under 18 or was she 18?

[Pat]

She was under 18, came home with another guy over 18 and apparently she beat the living crap out of him.

[Vinnie]

Beverly Hill.

[Adam]

What do you mean?

[Pat]

So.

[Tom]

No.

[Pat]

No. Former hunter arrested for charges and Texas family violence and 37 years old. Was arrested on Friday home and $40,000 via social. Patrick go a little bit lower. Y' all. Pray for the family. Love Patrick. Beverly has no criminal records. Given that when he unexpectedly found her alone in the home with an 18 year old man in the middle of the night, he was understandably concerned. Concerned younger sister a minor. So he found. So he. He did what he did. Go a little bit lower up to see anything else there him down. Yeah. So pat Beverly. By the way. Every team needs a pat Beverly. You need a pat Beverly. It's the most.

[Adam]

He's a gbd. You. You back to Stephen A. You helped Stephen A in this process. I want to say he gave you credit.

[Pat]

He did give me credit. But you know, he and I. I speak to a lot of guys when it comes down to contracts.

[Adam]

Okay, Brett Bear.

[Tom]

No, but, but, but, but anyways sometimes on stage.

[Pat]

Yeah, but, but going back to this with Stephen A. To me is. Look, he's at a phase of his life that he can't help himself talk about this stuff and he wants to talk about it and he does it in a respectful way. And I'm glad he's doing it. I support the fact that he's doing it. And ESPN knew going into it that he was doing it when they signed him. You guys already said this. So this leads me to something. Disney was losing $4 million a day on YouTube TV dispute. Can you. Do you know what $4 million a day is? $4 million a day is a 1.2 billion a year. A year. Give or take one and a half billion dollars a year. $4 million a day. Can you imagine that? That's real money that you're going through, right? So they're going back and forth, they're doing this dispute. Rob, is this the whole thing about them figuring it out?

[Tom]

Yep.

[Pat]

Go ahead, Rob.

[Tom]

Good news for sports fans. Disney and YouTube TV tonight reached a new deal to bring back to the Google owned live streaming platform. Disney had pulled its channels Oct. 30 in a dispute over how much YouTube TV would pay it to carry its networks. Under the new agreement, YouTube TV subscribers will have access to all ESPN networks, ABC Disney branded channels, Freeform, the FX.

[Pat]

Networks and the National Geographic channels at no extra cost.

[Vinnie]

The new deal is also expected to.

[Tom]

Give YouTube TV subscribers access to ESPN's.

[Pat]

Newly released direct to consumer app. Wow. So, so who won here, Tom, who won here?

[Tom]

Neil Mohan. Absolutely posterized Disney because now the YouTube TV subscribers, hey, hey, it's all over. Disney's back on and you can get this, you can get this and your YouTube TV price isn't going up. So either Mohan got at an unbelievable discount and then decided, hey, it's such a discount, maybe we don't need to raise rates. We'll, we'll eat a little of it here, right? It's a, it's the same thing that you used to do when, you know, insurance companies would behave badly, right? We would say, hey, you know what, we'll take a little, they'll do a little, you know, things like that. Health insurance. I'm not speaking about life insurance in the old company. I'm talking about when we used to negotiate for health insurance, remember that? And sometimes they would give us, you know, a slap in the head on premium and we would try everything, we could negotiate. And then we would say, you know what, we're not passing that on to the employees, we're going to eat that one. So Mohan may have done that, but I think what happened here is Disney just got Posterized. They pulled everything off the air and they said so there you don't get our content. And YouTube was like, is that all you got? You know, it's like you hit a guy in a bar and your fist bounces off his jaw and he just kind of looks at you and touches his jaw and you have three words. This gonna hurt in your head. And that's what happened. And YouTube TV ends up, you know, winning. The subscribers of YouTube TV don't pay more money and they get more stuff.

[Pat]

First of all, now, Tom, I don't know why you do this to yourself every time and you reveal unnecessary information to the public for the amount of bar fights you got in your life. Never do that. Why do you tell that kind of stuff to people? Like they.

[Vinnie]

He'd wear leather jacket.

[Pat]

They look at you right now.

[Adam]

It was that whole deal.

[Pat]

It was, it was not blood.

[Adam]

We're just glad that he's on our team.

[Pat]

It was not bloods and crips. It was called whites. He was used to be part of the whites. No, but you know, I pity the.

[Tom]

Fool that would mess with me.

[Pat]

Yeah, but you know, when you, when you hear a story like this, you know what it comes down to? Bob Iger should resign. Bob, move on.

[Adam]

Bob Iger should resign.

[Pat]

He should resign.

[Adam]

He just got brought back.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, he should have stayed away.

[Pat]

Resign. Go away. Sit on the board.

[Vinnie]

Done.

[Pat]

Move on. That's a trillion dollar company. That's a 200 billion dollar company because of the operator and the board. Move on. Go to the next phase. Disney is another one of those companies that shouldn't be a $200 billion company. The amount of companies that they own and the flywheel that they have, how the hell is that not a trillion dollar company? You ever seen Disney's flywheel? Can you tap in Disney's Flywheel, Robin, Go to images that go to. Which is the one that we want to go to. That one. Zoom in a little bit. Look at this here.

[Vinnie]

Holy.

[Pat]

Zoom in a little bit more, Rob. Go a little bit more. Go a little bit more. Look at their flywheel, what they own. I wish you could see what companies they own. People don't even have to come. People don't know 80% of companies that they own.

[Vinnie]

See that far?

[Pat]

This is their flywheel. And they're not a trillion dollar company. They are such an undervalued asset. And the only reason they won't get to a trillion dollars is because they got to change the board, they got to change the CEO asap. And it doesn't look like it's going to be happening because there were a couple guys that were fighting to get into the board and they didn't support him. They kicked him out. And the board sided with Bob Iger, which was horrible for shareholders and it wasn't good for the viewers. But a good day will come when Bob respectfully resigns. You've done a lot for this company. Kathleen Kennedy's done December 31st of this year. Bring a couple conservatives to your board. Bring a couple conservatives to your board. I know you don't like it because you're all so woke. You just finally got rid of DEI bullshit that you were dealing with. Finally you got rid of it. But oh my God. Bring a couple conservatives to your board. By the way, do you know what's a big ass announcement for Disney to make?

[Adam]

What's that?

[Pat]

How many board members do they have? Rob, can you pull up just type in Disney's board of directors? Yeah, board of directors. Watch this. Is it 9 or 11 or 7? What is it? Let's see is it can't be 10 because that's an even number. But okay, let's say they got.

[Adam]

What's the number?

[Pat]

Rob, What I'd want to know is how many of those guys are conservatives? How many of Disney's board of directors. How many of Disney's board of directors are conservatives leaning?

[Vinnie]

Okay, none.

[Pat]

Oh, it's probably none. It's probably. And by the way, the conservative that they have would be like a rhino. Yeah, it's like, it's like the girl from the View. Okay. On where they would be like how much money was given to. Yeah, okay, so leadership at Disney executive end board 908 given to Republicans versus 2.8 million given to Democrats. So out of $3.7 million, what's 3.7? 2.8 divided by 3.7 is what?

[Tom]

3 to 1?

[Pat]

Is that what it says?

[Tom]

It's a little more than three to one because nine times three would be 27. Right.

[Pat]

Divided by 37 is 76%. 76% is liberal. Why don't you get it? 60, 40, liberal still control your political leanings that you want, no problem. But who do you think consumes your product more, Liberals or conservatives? What do you think? Who's more pro family? And your parks are getting their asses handed to them anyways, so why not bring a couple board members? We can have a 20 name list to give to you to consider to have it on. Why they don't do it, I have no idea. By the way, imagine if that announcement comes out, say Disney makes an announcement. We have agreed to add the following three people to the board. How would conservatives react? Actually think about it. What would happen? Finally, yeah, you think you would be like, all right, so there's some reasonable voices in there. Hey, Bob, we are pro family. I grew up watching Disney cartoons in Iran, in Farsi. That's how we watched it. Sleeping Beauty in Farsi. Okay? All the cartoons in Farsi. Pro family. People want Disney to go back to being normal again. And you simply don't want to do it yet hopefully you will. It's an undervalued asset that should be a trillion dollar company if it was operated by somebody else where they understood the family values. Family values. Not getting rid of DEI because BlackRock and the glass and you know, all these ISO. What is it, ISSI? These guys no longer require ESG scores like they did five years ago. You're a follower, you're not a leader. It's disappointing. It's a very disappointing story here with.

[Adam]

A great brand simply removing emotion from this concept, from this conversation. If you just do ftm. Follow the money. Disney stock has sat in neutral for the last decade.

[Pat]

If anything, they're won't change until he.

[Adam]

Leaves their, their negative 1% over the last decade. Their stock. So if you're just, if you're just following the money and say this is a publicly traded company and our goal is to bring value to the shareholders like every publicly traded company and your net negative over a decade and your name is Disney.

[Pat]

Brian Nickel need to get fired. Brian Nickel would take this thing to a 2 trillion dollar valuation in 10 years. My opinion, my opinion, Brian Nickel, which you're not going to get because he's at Starbucks. He would take this thing to $2 trillion valuation within a decade. But you're not going to get him because Starbucks got him. You know what happened when Starbucks got him? You know what Mondani just said to do in New York to boycott Starbucks. Did you guys see that? Oh, he loves Cal. And by the way, New Yorkers, at first people thought hocus not going to side with them on raising the taxes. Guess what? Hochul just came out and said she is open to raising taxes on New York corporations to fund socialist Mamdanis.

[Vinnie]

Here we go.

[Pat]

Freebies New Yorkers. You asked for it. You're about to get it. Hochul is agreeing to do it. Hokul is agreeing to do it. Reportedly open to raising taxes on the Empire State to help fund Mamdani. Steph Hoku, who is up for election 2026, sticking to her vow to not had high earners with higher taxes, but has had preliminary conversations about raising revenues by up on the corporate tax rate. According to Politico. The hike would help fill the move more than 4 billion dollar budget gap facing the state's next year cover some of the costs associated with Mamdani's socialist dream and the Big Apple once he becomes mayor, Bloomberg reported. The revelation comes after Thursday meeting with Mamdani and Hochul in which she the pair discussed their shared goals of delivering universal childcare. Raising the corporate tax rate will mark a notable shift for Hoku, who has repeatedly said that she would not raise taxes when pressed by the far left faction of the party that helped propel Mamdani into office. Now she's open to the idea. And Rob, I don't think we have a video on this, but Tom, I'll come to you and then I'm going to come to the Mamdani thing with Starbucks. Go ahead, Tom.

[Tom]

We'll make this really quick. Hochul needs voters so there will not be taxes raised on the voters because even though it's the madman Donnie, you know, wants to raise them on everybody, especially the wealthy. She doesn't want. Yeah, she doesn't want to raise anything on, on people so that there's no way that you can come after her. You raise taxes on people so that she can say fast forward next August. I didn't raise taxes on any person in the state of New York. Not one individual taxpayer, consumer received an increase under my administration in the last year since Mondame was elected. She wants that. How does she do that? Tax of corporations, Very smart tax. And by the way, if New York runs short of money, where do they go first, D.C. or Albany?

[Vinnie]

Oh, Albany.

[Tom]

Correct. So if she touches corporate tax in the state of New York, puts a few dollars in the bucket that she's going to need because he's going to come to her for money. I think it's that simple. What's going on right now, Adam?

[Adam]

I mean, to me it's pretty simple what's going on in the Democratic Party. There's the old Democratic establishment. We saw a couple moderate, synergist, unifier type candidates win. I believe in Virginia, I want to say a couple other elections. And then there's a big difference in Democratic establishment, Democratic Party and the Democratic Socialist Party of America. This Democratic Socialist will be the nail in the coffin, I think of the Democratic Party because Bill Maher sort of pontificated about this. And he said it. Well, yeah, Bill Maher basically said, you know, who's going to end up being the great benefactor?

[Pat]

You mind if we play the winning. Can you play that clip?

[Adam]

The Republican Party.

[Pat]

Play that clip, Rob, of Bill Maher.

[Adam]

Bill Maher.

[Pat]

Yeah, Bill Maher. Yesterday. That's it right there. There you go.

[Tom]

Here's capitalist South Korea at night. From space. Here's socialist North Korea.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Tom]

In 1990, Venezuela was wealthier than Poland. But then Poland, finally free of Soviet style economics, went all in on capitalism. And now their economy is as big as Japan. And people there have high wages, low inflation, Japan, cars, vacations, homes. Meanwhile, Venezuela traded capitalism for Hugo Chavez's socialism for the 21st century, which turned.

[Pat]

Out to be like socialism in the.

[Tom]

Last century, or any century, a fucking mess. It turned one of Latin America's richest countries into one of its poorest. Low wages, high inflation, shortages, outages, 8 million people fleeing. If you think New York can somehow reinvent this wheel, you're in for a rude awokening. Zoran can't make your wishes come true. You're thinking of Zoltar.

[Pat]

There you go. So, Bill Maher, by the way, while this is going on, what does Mamdani say? Mamdani wants you to boycott Starbucks. Okay. Amid strike. Okay, here he is. Go ahead, Rob. Is this just. It's not him speaking, it's just.

[Tom]

I thought it was. I'm sorry.

[Pat]

Okay. No, it's all good. They're not gonna get between me and my kid. That song was pretty intense. Oh, there it is. Go ahead, Rob. I won't be buying Starbucks. I won't be buying. Okay, let me read this to you, what he says. So Mamdani encouraged his more than 1 million followers on eggs to boycott Starbucks. Starbucks workers across the country are in an unfair labor practice. A strike fighting for a fair contract. The 34 year old run on Thursday while workers are on strike. I won't be buying any Starbucks. And I'm asking you to join us. Together we can send a powerful message. No contract, no coffee. On the same day Starbucks Workers United, a union representing workers at the coffee giant, announced it was going to. By the way, I'm just thinking about my latte, Mateo. Bring it in, Jake, whoever's got it. An open ended strike in what he is being dubbed the Red Cup Rebellion. As of today, Starbucks workers across the country are officially on strike. The union wrote on social media. And we're prepared for this to become the biggest and longest ULP strike in Starbucks history. No contract, no Coffee is the hashtag. Thursday was also Starbucks Red cup day, during which customers can pick up a free reusable festival on Red cup for holidays. J.C. anderson, Starbucks director of Global Communication, noted in comments on Fox News Digital. In terms of our annual reusable Red cup day, we actually had a great day. 99 of our coffee houses remained open and welcoming to customers and expected our sales expectations across company operate green coffee houses in North America, making it the best Red cup day ever. Red cup day is typically one of the company's busiest days. Tom, your thoughts on mom Donna here. Is this a drop?

[Tom]

This is from October, but this is when Mamdani was with the Starbucks workers, all trying to get them to unionize.

[Pat]

Let's hear it.

[Vinnie]

Talking about a CEO of a company who made $96 million just last year. $96 million, which is 6,666 times the median Starbucks worker salary. That's the kind of disparity that we are seeing here. And what these workers are asking for is the bare minimum. They are asking for a salary that they can actually live off of. They are asking for hours they can actually build their life around. They are asking for the violations of labor law to finally be resolved. And they deserve a city that has their back. And I am here to say that that is what New York City will be.

[Pat]

Todd, your thoughts?

[Tom]

Well, look, this is, as they say, this is a red meat speech. And a red meat speech is where you basically throw red meat to your followers and they cheer. That's, that's the phrase that's used. So this is a really well executed red meat speech around one of the absolute platforms. The key parts of the platform on the Democratic side, which has been unionization and union support in the election, that is, that has long been a staple of Democrat politics. Things were a little bit, you know, spicy during the election because there was unions and people that kind of leaned toward Trump. It was very interesting to see. And this is Mandami doing nothing more than trying to go after the corporation and get people to unionize. And then you'll get all these things. But you know what? If we could find it, we can find it somewhere. There was one Starbucks that became so unruly outside with their anti union protesting and they had bothered the people so much that were trying to come in and use that Starbucks that Brian Nichols said just close the store, just close the store there. And so that's what's going on.

[Pat]

He said to just close the store.

[Tom]

It was last week and I believe Brian Nichols said hey, that store, if this is going to be the problem, just close the store. Because the store really apparently wasn't a performing store and there was so much of this pro union stuff going on that it got like a little not rowdy, but it got to the point that people didn't want to get out of their car, come in and grab a coffee.

[Pat]

There's a part of you that wants to go out and fully listen. Where my optimism comes in is that Brian Nicholl is there. I trust good operators. The other day a guy asked me a question on one of the podcasts I was doing is if you were to define yourself in one word, what would it be? Not family related, just purely with what you do with business. I says I'm an operator and I love operating. There's something exciting about operating this last week. Being at CXO with companies ranging from 10 million year, upwards of a half a billion out of revenue sized companies. It was an incredible experience for two days going and talking about real challenges people face. But I'd like to see Brian Niccol reverse some weird things that Starbucks did back in 2022. Rob, can you go to that CNBC story in 2022 within 100 miles that they were. Did you know about this? What if you, Starbucks was willing to fund your transportation for any employee that wanted to go through the gender affirming surgeries in 2022. They were, they were willing to pay for it. Watch this.

[Vinnie]

Pay for what?

[Pat]

Starbucks to cover employees travel expenses for abortions and gender affirming surgeries. Okay, so if you're going. Thank you Matteo. If you're going through gender affirming surgery May 16, 2022, they want to pay for that. So Starbucks said on Monday that they will start covering all the travel expenses for employees seeking abortions or gender affirming procedures. A handful of companies are offering to reimburse companies related to abortions. Okay. And then on 154 anti trans bills have been introduced to state legislature. So somebody may say, okay, the abortion you're going to do. You know, Howard Schultz is a guy who's on the center left. He's a libertarian, but he's a center leftist. He's not like he's a conservative. Fine. Gender affirming, you want to fund that really little weird man. So I hope Nickel brings a little bit of common sense and avoids the politics and just runs a business. But with Mamdani in New York, New York, this is what you voted for. And he's, he's coming. Corporate taxes are going to be increasing based on what our friend Mamdani. Not our friend. Our guy here in New York Mamdani is talking about.

[Tom]

You know, it's really interesting. Once upon a time, I used to stop every morning for a venti non fat latte, no whip. And I calculated three years in a row that I had. I said. I said, I wonder how many of these I've had. Because I had the Starbucks card and I also had the thing on my phone. I could just do it. And I saw that I was buying 200 of those a year. Like 50 weeks, four of them a week, sometimes five. I was buying 200 of them a year. Do you know how much I bought last two years?

[Pat]

What's that?

[Tom]

Zero. I stopped going to Starbucks. So I'm rooting for Brian Nicholl. But I'm also rooting for him in a way I'd like to come back, but he. Keep working. Keep working on it. Because I don't feel. I know some of us go, some of us don't, but I still don't feel it yet that.

[Adam]

Guys, we're taking donations. Times are tough. Tom used to drink coffee left and right at Starbucks. And, you know, the economy, I mean.

[Vinnie]

And can I say one thing?

[Adam]

We're ready to get you back on.

[Tom]

I'm not making this up. I'm being literal as a consumer. I said, no, thank you.

[Vinnie]

And just. I know.

[Adam]

By the way, I'll give. I'll give Starbucks credit. This is coming from a Jewish guy. I was at the Starbucks. Anyways.

[Vinnie]

Wait, you're Jewish?

[Tom]

Yes.

[Adam]

Yes.

[Vinnie]

I don't know if you heard.

[Pat]

Supply of coffee from apac.

[Vinnie]

Every week he gets a job, a pack of coffee.

[Adam]

Not Iron Dome coffee. Shout out. But Starbucks had Christmas galore. Christmas everywhere, they had Christmas cups. It wasn't Happy Holidays, it was Merry Christmas.

[Vinnie]

They do the.

[Adam]

They're doing stuff. I don't know if it's Brian Nichols. I don't know what it is they're doing Christmas.

[Pat]

What's the likelihood between now and the last day of your life that you will one day become a Christian? What's the like?

[Vinnie]

Honestly?

[Adam]

Yeah, I know how you never. You don't say, like a hundred percent that I'm gonna stay what I am. But I will say I respect my Jewish brother, Jesus Christ. He was a great guy. He was Jewish. He lived and died as a Jew. But I love my Jewish. My Christian family.

[Pat]

All right.

[Adam]

Assyrian family.

[Pat]

Right?

[Adam]

Not. Not sure what's going on.

[Vinnie]

We're not done. We're not done. With that.

[Adam]

We're the original, you're the new version. It's cool, bro. We're the same people.

[Vinnie]

I. I've been going to star. I actually go in there cuz I want to experience and talk to people. I love this because in la, you know where Universal was, I go to that Starbucks and I'd see everybody. Sandra Bullock, it was like the who's who. If you've been in the Starbucks, bro, she was gorgeous recently. I like. Me and Tico went the other day before we were going to come see you guys here and just walk into the normal anywhere Starbucks doesn't matter if you're in Florida or la. The majority of people have green hair. They them.

[Tom]

Maybe it's not ripe.

[Vinnie]

No, no. It's just they're. They're. One guy had the LGBTQ rainbow shirt on. It wasn't even LGBTQ month, but it's like they hire. They're hiring some. Pretty far. Go in there today. We'll go there.

[Adam]

There. There seems to be an affinity between coffee and wokeness.

[Vinnie]

It's weird. Coffee awake. I don't know what it is.

[Adam]

This is why things like I'm gonna.

[Vinnie]

Cake pop out pbd.

[Adam]

What's the chances that Patrick Bet David is going to be Patrick Ben David and there's a similarity there? I don't know. People ask. I don't think it's happening.

[Pat]

That's a good question. I think. I think that is zero. Okay.

[Adam]

So pbd, I'd like to publicly announce our partnership. You stay Christian, I'll stay Jewish. And we're going to keep the good times rolling.

[Pat]

But I think. I think. I think. I think I could get out. Think we can do a little Jews.

[Tom]

Everybody's changing their name. Pretty soon it's Adam Ben. Over.

[Adam]

That's a.

[Vinnie]

Guys, that's.

[Adam]

That's a white joke from Tom. Guys.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Adam]

All right. Best. He's got. We love it.

[Pat]

Chicken Thomas.

[Vinnie]

He had to do it.

[Pat]

Can't help himself. No, he can't help himself. By the way, can I give you guys an update? What happened with that police thing I went to last week?

[Adam]

Yes, please. There was some drama with that.

[Pat]

Yeah, there was some drama. What was the event called? It was called the Law Enforcement Organization. And I call law enforcement today. Yes. And I ended up getting a. I called out a guy named Matthew Silverman. Rob, if you want to put up his picture. I called out a guy named Matthew Silverman heavily. Didn't hold back. Didn't like the way he handled the phone call. Whatsoever. And after we had the call, after we did the podcast last week, he wrote a two page letter apologizing for what happened last week. And I just want to publicly say I respect the fact that he did that, the letter that was sent. And then I got a call from the guy that runs the whole thing. Guy's name is Kyle. And Kyle, I want to say the organization's name correctly, Rob Kyle, who runs the law enforcement. Today he called me. We had a 15 minute call with them. And I have to tell you, I was, I was so impressed. I was so impressed with the way he handled the call. It was me and Matteo when we were on the call together, he says, look, I don't, I don't do these events professionally myself. I'm just trying to put it together. And I don't know if, you know, he was so prepared and everything he said with his speeches, but he got on the call, he says, there's nothing I can say. I'm not asking for anything. I just want to say, what can we do? We royally screwed up. I went back to my room that night. My wife said, what a great event you put together. I said, babe, I feel like because of what happened, all this stuff, and they had to, you know, they had to pay $15,000 over for overtime that came out of his own pocket. But this is where I'm at. I told you last week, I'm all about respect. And I respect the fact that Matthew Silverman, the president, called me and I respect the hell out of the way Kyle handled the phone call. And Kyle, after you telling me that it cost you guys $15,000, I want to say here today, you don't even know about this. I'm going to make the difference and I'm going to send you $15,000 for us to pay for your, what do you call it, the added overtime that you had to pay to the workers at Mar Lago. I know how hard it is to run events. What I value the most. Four things. Lead, respect, improve, love. Respect is very important to me. You gave it to me, I respect it back. $15,000 will be sent to your charity sometime today for you guys to make that phone call.

[Vinnie]

Nice.

[Pat]

I was so impressed by Kyle. So impressed really, by the way Kyle handled him. So I posted a video. All this other stuff, what they had prepared to share, but it was getting late. We don't need to share the video. It's just the fact that they shared it is out there online. That's. That goes respect back to what they did so. Just want to make sure I did that with them. Mateo, please go to Casey and let's send that 15, 000 over to.

[Adam]

Can I ask you something, sir?

[Pat]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam]

You were. I don't want to put words in your mouth. Upset, annoyed, disappointed, disgusted.

[Pat]

I value my time with my kids. Never take that away from me and waste my time. Don't ever do that, especially when I schedule something months in advance. It's that simple for me. You take that away because of my schedule the way it is. I don't like it. So. But it's been done. They made the phone call and I. And I respect it, but that's my.

[Adam]

Point, is that during this time of chaos, when they could have doubled down. How dare you say that. They gave a male culpa. They apologized and you said, good.

[Pat]

Yeah, we move on.

[Adam]

And I respect that.

[Pat]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Adam]

When you're wrong.

[Pat]

No, listen, it happens. Everybody does it. And as long as you're able to do it, it's a very easy thing to move on with. Okay, so that was quick. Let's go to the next thing here. Next story I want to get into is do we want to get into tariffs or do we want to get into. Do we want to go into Tucker and what Trump said about. Actually, let's go to Tucker claiming FBI. Let's go to this one here. Tucker claims FBI hid details on Trump shooter Thomas Crooks. He said FBI clearly knew. Rob, I think you got a clip on this one here. Is this the one? Go for it, Rob.

[Tom]

These remarks were especially notable because they.

[Pat]

Came at the final phase of crooks YouTube comment. At that point, a new character emerged.

[Tom]

Into the conversation, a user named Willie.

[Pat]

Tepes, who started pressuring crooks to commit violence. For example, quote, if a gun and.

[Tom]

A badge is all that is needed.

[Pat]

Then authority obviously comes from the barrel of a gun.

[Tom]

We have more guns than they do. There is no way we can avoid.

[Pat]

A war at this point. So you better just get used to the idea.

[Tom]

We have nothing to lose and everything.

[Pat]

To worry to win. And the alternative, A global police state is unacceptable.

[Tom]

Nothing in life is simple, but that.

[Pat]

Is no argument against doing it.

[Tom]

So who is this Willie Tepes?

[Pat]

Unfortunately, we don't know.

[Tom]

The FBI hasn't made any mention of.

[Pat]

Him in public, although they certainly know he exists.

[Tom]

Just days after the shooting, Somebody screenshotted.

[Pat]

Tepes's YouTube account page, despite the fact.

[Tom]

He had very few followers to the extent that he can be traced to online now you can find his username being used on a foreign antifa website. Those sites link him to the Nordic Resistance Movement, which has been designated a terrorist group by the U.S. state Department. That's all we know. We do know however, that Crooks online.

[Pat]

Footprint abruptly ends after his encounter with.

[Tom]

This mysterious figure, Willie Tepes. Regardless, whoever Willie Tepes is or was.

[Pat]

And what his motives may have been.

[Tom]

Who he may have been working for, there is no doubt that Crooks was.

[Pat]

Ripe for recruitment by someone. From early 2019 to mid-2020, as his political views were evolving, Crooks searched for Trump more than 700 times online. He also searched for Jack Ruby, the man who assassinated Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Tom]

He then submitted queries for craziest chemical.

[Pat]

Reactions, cars running over protesters, best places for mass shootings, shooting mass shooting El.

[Tom]

Paso, Trump Civil War, Orlando shooting reaction, firing an AR15 as fast as possible.

[Pat]

Fertilizer bomb, how to make napalm, how.

[Tom]

To make Molotov cocktail, mass shooting Canada, Oklahoma bombing and sniper in Dallas shooting. He also searched for American Nazi party.

[Pat]

German national anthem, 19331945 Hitler's speeches with.

[Tom]

Subconscious titles, Neo Nazis and quote, why gays need to go.

[Pat]

So here you have a volatile, troubled.

[Tom]

Possibly mentally ill young man with a long record of espousing violence in public.

[Pat]

Okay, so that's Tucker Cash Patel response and he says share details Friday that about the Bureau's investigation Thomas Crooks after Tucker Carlson's alleged Trump's would be assassin left digital warning signs that he was planning on attack, the former Fox no Holds accused an FBI of lying of Thomas Crooks. The investigation conducted by over 480 FBI employees reveals Crook had limited online and in person interactions, planned and conducted the attack alone and did not leak or share his intent to engage in the attack alone, patel wrote on X providing an overview of the case. As part of the investigation, the FBI director said the bureau conducted over a thousand interviews, addressed over two 2000 public tips, analyzed data extracted from 13 seized digital devices, reviewed nearly 500,000 digital files collected, process and synchronized hundreds of hours of video footages and analyzed dirty activity from 10 different accounts and examined data associated with 25 social media or online forum accounts. Tom Vinnie, your thoughts on this story?

[Vinnie]

I mean, it's just, it's just weird that we didn't hear nothing from the FBI and then all of a sudden Tucker Carlson of all people finds out that this guy did have a social media presence. I said one thing once online, Pat, and I got flagged. They sent me something, they banned me. They did all. So this guy's out there Talking about and searching for murder, assassination chemical stuff. And he just kind of went through the cracks and it's just kind of weird. He got radicalized, okay? This Thomas Crooks, his social media presence nobody could find except Tucker Carlson. After the assassination, they not only sprayed the roof where he was with all the DNA and all this stuff, they wiped his apartment. Somebody wiped his apartment completely clean, no silverware. They took everything out of his apartment. And it's just, it's weird. Like the pattern that we're finding Tommy, from all these, all these people, they find weak minded individuals, they radicalize them, they have them do this thing and then they're the lone wolf, the lone shooter. And then they're now this new trend of they're furries. Notice how the trend of furry trans Thomas Crooks, Tyler Robinson it's all a part of a plan patent. I looked up MK Ultra. People tend to forget the CIA, our government, without experimenting on people without consent, use drugs, use psychiatrists to make people go do things that they didn't want to do. And then when they came out of it, they had no idea what they were doing. It's almost like that scopolamine, the devil's breath drug from Colombia, that if you blow it in somebody's face. You see the documentary on Vice, there's a drug and rob, you could look it up. It's called the devil's breath scopolamine. You take this white little powder, you just blow it in somebody's face or put in their drink, their free will is gone, meaning you do whatever they want you to do. And the next day you don't remember everything. One girl on the Vice documentary, she goes, somebody put something in my drink. I brought them into my apartment. My door guy was like, who are these people? She's like, don't worry about it, we're totally fine. Stole everything out of her apartment. Her knowingly like she was awake but didn't realize it. And the next day she had no recollection. If the government was doing this in the 70s for all this time, you don't think they perfected at this time. I think something at that level with Thomas Crooks, Pat. The same people, the deep state that were behind destroying Trump with money, lawfare, impeachment, those are the same people that I believe could be behind radicalizing somebody like that to go on a roof. And then on top of it, the Secret Service head, Kim Cheadle is like, yeah, no, everything failed. But God got in the way and saved Trump's life. I think I think it's crazy that Tucker, of all people, more than the FBI, did more research and discovered more than a three letter agency can.

[Pat]

Yeah. And Tom, I know this is something you wanted to talk about, so I know you have some, some thoughts on this year. Where are you at with this?

[Tom]

So here's where I'm at. So go back really, really quickly to the London subway bombing. They found out which clerics had been socializing with which young men. And they found, they said, these radical clerics. Do you remember this, Adam? These radical clerics in north of London had gotten these into the minds of these kids to go perpetrate what is now known as the London subway bombings. The amount of information that was available on the clerics, what mosques they were at, when they came to the country, where they were from, who they associated with, it was massive. And this is, this goes back 15 years, 20 years now, to the point where, you know, the 24 hour news cycle was even shorter back then. And so now the fact that there's so little we know, and then you've got Cash saying he acted alone. We've conducted the. And there haven't been any leaks. Leaks. The odds of this stuff not leaking is low because there's so many people that are in the bureaus that don't like Trump. And so why isn't the stuff leaking? Why, why is it so simple? Why is it so cut and dry? And there's two options, Pat. Number one, it's exactly as Cash says, and I put the odds of that at like 10%. And number two, they are actively working with people and they're trying to get through it, but they're trying to work through corrupt agencies. And if they're trying to work through corrupt agencies, then they're gonna say one thing in public and try to clean it up separately. But I don't get. And we've had conversations with people in the Trump administration. Pat has, I have many of us in this room and some very close in people who have said they don't trust the agencies and they don't trust the stories we're hearing. So we know that there's been some level of investigation or trying to uncover all this behind the scenes, but it's just the fact that we know so little about this and the, the roof was scrubbed, the apartment.

[Pat]

Speculate, speculate.

[Tom]

The deep state was involved trying to take out Trump.

[Vinnie]

I think so.

[Tom]

And because I just have three things that bother me.

[Pat]

But by the way, when you say, so who is the deep state? The deep state at the time, who was the deep state?

[Tom]

Deep state at the time would have been nsa, FBI, those are the keys in the US and then of course.

[Pat]

You'Ve got the agency because remember when people are saying, you know, they say stuff about cash, Cash was in at the time.

[Vinnie]

He wasn't in at the time. Okay.

[Pat]

So it's not like this is a, a cash thing because he's not in. However, you know, if the deep state knew. Do they have enough time to get rid of evidence between then and cash getting in or no?

[Tom]

Oh, yes. They've got ways to do it. There was, there was, you know, as they say about the deep state, sometimes there's no evidence in the first place because as they do things, they're immediately, you know, sanitizing and being very careful about how they do it. So there isn't like a memo to Congress asking for appropriations to assassinate Trump. And it's, you know, that nothing like that's going to show up.

[Vinnie]

And it's, and I know it sounds wild, but if you really break it down, like the same people, the Russia collusion, all the Brennan, all those people, some of them that we don't even know, that were just layered in there. It's not that hard to go, okay, where is he going to be? Butler ok, we have a, they have, I think they have their assets that they're just like, okay, this is the day that we're going to tell them to go and do it and then we're going to scrub the apartment, we're going to spray everything down. Kim Cheadle. All you have to do is act like, you know, the security failed. Even though he was clearly on the roof. People were yelling, Pat. There's videos where people are like, he's up there, the guy's got a gun. And it's almost as if everybody was told, hey, look over there, look over there. And I think the deep state, like for instance, Russia collusion, you know, when people, I had an FBI agent that came to one of our events. He's been to multiple events. Awesome, awesome guy. He always came to me and had a one on one. He's like trying to prove his, you know, prove his case. Like, Vinny, it's not everybody in the FBI. And I go, dude, I understand that there's good FBI agents, there's good, you know, there's good CIA, there's people that are actually trying. But I go, what about the rogue people that have huge influence and huge power? It doesn't take that much. If you just looked at The Russia collusion case. Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Andy McCabe, James Comey, everybody behind the DNC, Hillary Clinton, all colluding to make up the story and sell it to the American people. They even got FISA warrants. So if they could do that.

[Tom]

And more information kept coming out, more information kept coming out. This is one where everything stops.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Tom]

For me it comes down to three things. The limited amount of information that's come out the immediately sanitized apartment and they wash the roof. I just look at a few things and say, man, that's all I need to be really skeptical for a long time.

[Adam]

Yeah, I mean, look, there's a lot of what happened with. That is fishy. As a lot of happen with Charlie Kirk. That is fishy. All these questions should be asked. All these answers hopefully should be given at the same time. The FBI, whether it's Secret Service, whoever it is, two things can't be true at once. Either it's a inside job and the deep state is involved, or and this guy was sort of manufactured and put there on the roof and given a pass. Or somehow your officials let this geeky, nerdy, 20 year old, furry loving kid bypass all elements of security. Get on the roof. And when people are saying he's on the roof, do nothing. So which one is it?

[Vinnie]

Well, which one you believe?

[Adam]

You actually. The point is, what do you call it? Hellran's razor. What do you call it?

[Vinnie]

Hellman's. Hellman's.

[Adam]

What's the whole thing? Hanlon's Razor. Sometimes you just. You can't. What's the definition of it? Never. Which is adequately explained by stupidity or a mistake. A lot of this is just people messing up.

[Pat]

Up.

[Adam]

Oh, I thought you had it. A lot of this does not add up.

[Tom]

But.

[Adam]

But here's the challenge right here. Like who do I trust more over Cash Patel, the acting director of the FBI, or Tucker Carlson just asking questions? Give me Cash Patel all day, every day at the same time.

[Vinnie]

But why do you say that? What is he. Because to get your. To get your loyalty and your.

[Adam]

And your.

[Vinnie]

No big Adam. Because everything. Epstein, have you seen the release?

[Adam]

Everything to me.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Is a score. Okay, cool. All right. You did this. I did that. All right. Your credibility score. Okay. Okay. For me, Tucker's credibility score is very low right now.

[Vinnie]

And why is that?

[Adam]

I just think he's just. I think he plays dumb. I think he's a gaslighter. I think he's a gaslighter in chief of America. I think he kind of pretends he's this sort of. I'm just asking questions. I don't know nothing about nothing yet. At the same time his father was the CIA. CIA at the same time he is the only person in human history to have a headline show on cnn, msnbc, Fox News. As if he's not part of the establishment. To me he doesn't have a lot of credibility, every right to ask questions. What has cash done other than not appease your Epstein interest to lose trust with the incredibility with the American. To me he has a lot of.

[Vinnie]

Trust and credibility but not my Epstein thing. Adam, like Pat said, he wasn't in during that. But what I'm saying is when you just hear caspitello. Adam, Adam, the organization, the FBI, the CIA, they have lied to us over and over and over again so we.

[Adam]

Can never believe that.

[Vinnie]

But Adam, you have to question and.

[Adam]

Not start the whole premise that we should question everything.

[Vinnie]

Tucker, hold on. How did Tucker, the guy that you think is this huge gaslighter, how did he get more information on Thomas Crooks than the FBI didn't?

[Adam]

He didn't get more information. Here's what the FBI said. We've conducted a thousand interviews, addressed over 2,000 public tips, analyzed data seized by 16 digital devices, reviewed it, a half a million digital files collected, processed, synchronized hundreds of video footage, analyzed financial. Tucker did a half hour segment and you're giving a false equivalency of what the FBI did and what Tucker did. Asking questions. Adam, the FBI nonsense.

[Vinnie]

No social media presence at all. Tucker was showing five minutes of video of him dry firing guns recording itself. How did Tucker find that? Adam? And by the way, the FBI has.

[Adam]

Said Thomas Crooks never has said that he had no online footprint ever. The FBI has never said Thomas Crooks had no online footprint ever. This is from the FBI that got.

[Tom]

Fat checked by grok.

[Vinnie]

What did it say?

[Adam]

What did it say?

[Tom]

That down at the bottom. FBI Deputy director Paul Abate went on to describe a general absence of other information to date from social media regarding Thomas Cross Crooks.

[Adam]

So, so what does that mean exactly?

[Tom]

Basically, he didn't have a digital footprint.

[Vinnie]

He didn't have a digital footprint. And out of my. And I get your point.

[Adam]

So this guy has some explaining to do. Yeah, no, Adam, Paul Abate.

[Vinnie]

Adam and I who I've never heard of the same FBI that you're explaining. The same FBI that you're talking about told us to.

[Adam]

And by the way, when did he say that?

[Tom]

This was July 30th of 2024. So 17 days after the assassination.

[Adam]

Okay, so before they did the entire. Entire due diligence. So maybe he spoke too soon. He should retract that statement or he should say at the current, current sequencing, we do not have much information, but a year plus later they should probably retract.

[Vinnie]

Point is which they did the same FBI.

[Adam]

So I just want to say one thing. Are you saying that you talk. Do you trust Tucker's segment more than the FBI?

[Tom]

More.

[Pat]

More.

[Adam]

More. Who do you trust more?

[Vinnie]

The FBI. I just think it's interesting what Tucker reported on. That's a lot of questions that they need.

[Tom]

I do too.

[Adam]

I, I advocate for talking. That doesn't mean I trust.

[Vinnie]

We want to move on. But if it's Adam, all I'm saying is, Adam, FBI.

[Pat]

You, you.

[Vinnie]

You trust Castro told you because he's in charge of FBI.

[Adam]

I trust.

[Vinnie]

I would never trust the FBI or the CIA because the people, Adam, whoever's on the top. Look at the layers of the people. Like simple. I don't trust any of them. You can't trust them.

[Adam]

So everyone's at 0.5% trust, not 0%.

[Vinnie]

But they lost credibility.

[Adam]

Talk or cash.

[Vinnie]

I don't tr. Equally the same. I don't trust anybody. But here's my question.

[Adam]

We're going to differ.

[Vinnie]

That said, they had tens of thousands of hours of. Of Jeff with underage girls. What happened to it? It's gone. They lied. They lied. Move on.

[Adam]

Who's they?

[Vinnie]

Cash, Patel and Jam Bongino. Their whole thing for months before were. I'm going to do this. I know this. I talked to this person. And the moment they got in at him, everything changed. That's all I'm saying. Everything changed. Everything. We all know this.

[Adam]

Pvd.

[Pat]

I think Cash has fumbled a couple times. I think Tucker obviously doesn't trust Cash and he's trying to expose maybe some of the information that hasn't been revealed. I think Cash has access to more information than Tucker does. There's no question about it there. But you also have to realize you don't think Tucker has people that are in the CIA or FBI or different places that are also probably giving him information over the years. Probably. If your father was a CIA agent or he worked with the CIA, you don't think he shared some strategies with you over the years on what happened? I don't know. I think there's something there and some connections.

[Vinnie]

Pat, like, so here's my friends.

[Pat]

But I also don't you think Cash has turned against Trump?

[Vinnie]

No.

[Pat]

You think Cash is You know, concealing information from Trump. You think Cash was involved? No. You're not saying that. No, but it's good that Tucker's doing that, that we're showing it, because that those are the things he searched. I would want to know that. I, you know, six months ago, if you guys remember, five months ago, I said, I said this. I think on Jesse Waters when I said it's the biggest fumble. On whenever I remember whatever the day was, when I said the biggest fumble. I don't know when that was. I said, I still don't know what happened with Thomas Crooks.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Pat]

If you remember that, I'm like, why don't you tell us what. I mean, we're trying to find out what happened here, but we don't even know what happened with Crooks. Can't you tell us what happened with Crooks? I don't know the date on that, but that was probably five seconds right there.

[Tom]

No, that was right before. This was Epstein.

[Adam]

Don't you think Trump more than anybody would like to find out what happened with the guy that shot me?

[Vinnie]

It doesn't look like he was, he was like, ah, he kind of.

[Pat]

He was amazing.

[Adam]

But then you're assuming that Trump doesn't care who shot him in the face.

[Vinnie]

But I'll show you the interview where he. Are you kidding me?

[Pat]

No, but let me tell you. Let me tell you what, I would go with that, Vinnie.

[Tom]

If.

[Pat]

If. Let's just say Trump acts like he's not interested on who killed him. Right. Okay, so speculate that. What do you think that is?

[Tom]

I don't know.

[Vinnie]

Because his mission is more forward on the country.

[Pat]

Or maybe he's deceptive. You think Trump doesn't want to get even with people that screwed him over 1000%.

[Vinnie]

Okay, so there you go. I'll have him show you.

[Adam]

Let him.

[Pat]

Ok. So do you not think Trump, you know, knows. But for example, the other day we had a guy that was here that came with a bunch of guns. Have you heard me talk about on the podcast?

[Vinnie]

No.

[Pat]

Now, I just did right now. What I'm trying to say is, do you know why, though? Like a point of it is like you, you kind of just want to move on.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

And then you do what you got to do, but you don't want to be publicly. So. But you can't automatically assume that there's not things that are being behind closed doors.

[Vinnie]

I agree.

[Pat]

But to me, I don't know. I think Trump maybe learned something new, something is working on something, acting like he's not. You either like the guy's approach or you don't. You can't say you like his approach on these seven things, but not like it in these four different things. If he negotiates in a certain way, he's probably applying some of the same principles here as well.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

So you can't pick and choose and say you don't like the approach. You can disagree with. Like, for example, he called Thomas Massey a loser for. No, he says his wife's going to find that he's a total loser. Right.

[Tom]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Okay. Would you say that if you're in office?

[Tom]

No.

[Pat]

Would Tom say that?

[Tom]

No.

[Pat]

Would Adam say that? Maybe. But, but, but, but the point, the point is this. Guess what? You know, you may say you don't like the way he talks like that. How long has he been talking like that? Since he was 6 years old. He's probably talking about certainly since he.

[Adam]

Came down the escalator.

[Pat]

But, but the approach on how he's going about things methodically. You can't assume he's like, oh, he's. Yeah, no, no, he is. Trump doesn't know nothing. I think there's something going on there that the rest of us don't know. But I want to share with you a clip here from DeSantis on what's going on.

[Adam]

I miss him.

[Pat]

Okay. Yeah. Here's a clip from DeSantis talking about what's going on in Georgia and how America's being soft on a couple areas here. And actually, I actually fully agree with them. Go ahead, Rob, if you want to play this clip.

[Vinnie]

But, you know, you have some strain on the right.

[Tom]

This is under.

[Vinnie]

No, you know, illegal, Illegal immigration is bad.

[Tom]

Illegal immigration. Immigration, no matter what, is good. And wait a minute now. I'm not saying any of it's that it's all bad or what, but is bringing 10 million people from, like, Somalia and dumping them into Georgia, is that good because it's legal?

[Pat]

I think you have to think critically.

[Tom]

About what are we doing with an immigration policy and is it benefiting the American people? Is it helping to promote a strong American culture? We should never bring people into this country who hate America. And when I.

[Pat]

Common sense, I agree.

[Tom]

And I want. When I look at, like, Mandami's dad and listening to the stuff he's saying about America being the sort, I'm like, why would we have wanted somebody like that to come? I mean, especially if you think America is so bad. So we have to be smart. It's lazy thinking to say anything that's legal must necessarily be good. Some of these companies game these systems with bringing cheap labor. So there's a whole host of things. But don't do what Europe did. Europe did a mass migration that was.

[Pat]

Legal, that was intentional, and it's proven to be disastrous.

[Tom]

So as conservatives, we must think more critically. And the final thing that conservatives have to wrestle with is the proper approach to artificial intelligence. If you look at what's going on, it's a handful of very big companies.

[Pat]

That are driving most of this. Okay, so while he's talking about that. Okay. And by the way, how do you feel about what he just said right there?

[Vinnie]

I love it.

[Pat]

I don't think anybody's gonna say this. Yeah.

[Tom]

Like, and by the way, he's at the Omni Hotel in New Haven, and that's a Yale banner back there. So apparently he's speaking to probably a pretty liberal audience up there. But he got applause.

[Vinnie]

They get applause.

[Pat]

Could be a conservative graduates of Yale, you know, could be more the all on campus conservative crew that they have that maybe he's speaking to.

[Tom]

Well, there's 11 of those. It sounded like more people apply.

[Pat]

Yeah, it does. You're right. But all I'm saying is that could be the case as well, but go ahead, Adam.

[Adam]

No, I'm just good to see Desantis doing his thing. Listen, I don't think there's a better governor in the country than DeSantis. I don't know if this. There's going to be more political aspirations. I know that we're speculating on 2028. JD Vance, Marco Rubio. Don't forget, DeSantis is seasoned. And I. I don't know if he's going to throw his hat in the ring, and it's certainly to speculate, but if he ramps up his personality and understands the social media game more, maybe accepts a. A pair of shoes as a gift, I don't know if that's legal or not. DeSantis is a formidable competitor. And everything that he said about loving America, I mean, that is step one, you know, what does it say in the statue? Give me your tired. Give me your. Give me your.

[Tom]

Give us your tired.

[Adam]

Give us your tired.

[Tom]

Your poor huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

[Adam]

And sure, give us those people. If they love America, if they're gonna. If they're not gonna be able to contribute to America in whatever capacity, at the very least, love America, don't come here and start hating on America. It's unacceptable. No other country could stand for something like that. That's Where I'm at with Desantis had to say.

[Pat]

Yeah, I like what DeSantis had to say there. I. I think, you know, he is a guy. If he's running your state, you feel safe. You hope the same thing continues with Florida and the traditions and the culture that's been created here continues. Because the threat now is what's going on with New York. Assume a lot of people from New York are going to come here. You want to make sure that things don't change with the way it is right now, because it can one day. All right, so the disturbing rise of AI generated deportation videos. Rob, do you have this one here?

[Tom]

I do.

[Pat]

So here's New York post. AI generated deportation videos. That's out there. Vinny, I'm come to you for a second and then Tom and we'll wrap up. Go ahead, Rob. This is all AI generators. You can't take me from her. Please, she's right there.

[Tom]

Don't do this.

[Pat]

She's just a baby.

[Tom]

Get her in the vehicle.

[Pat]

Videos on social show intense dramatic scenes of federal agents detaining migrants, many of which are racking up hundreds of thousands of views each. The catch? They're fake and made by AI the latest in the scary trend of videos.

[Vinnie]

Created by artificial intelligence can be prominently.

[Pat]

Seen on the Facebook account USAJourney897. The account, which was flagged by independent researcher chad loder to 404media, a journalist founded organization focusing on digital media, features double dozens of AI Generated videos of the same theme. Many of the AI Videos posted by the page show workers at prominent U.

[Tom]

S chains like McDonald's or Walmart being.

[Pat]

Ushered into vans by federal agents as.

[Adam]

They plead to see their kids.

[Pat]

Others show mothers and fathers being emotionally ripped away from their weeping children as officers coldly instruct the parents to put their hands behind their back. The videos, which are garnering 10, tens, even hundreds of thousands of views, do not bear an AI watermark, but all display the same superimposed text reading deportation along with emojis and a pair of American flags. While some of the videos note in their captions that they are created by AI for quote, entertainment and creative purposes only, many do not, leaving viewers who.

[Tom]

Don'T know any better to discern their validity for themselves.

[Vinnie]

Rob, I sent you the link really fast. You could log in so. And Pat, I just went to go to USA Journey 897 on Facebook. Yes, the front of the page has a disclaimer. Look what it says on the. On the front of the picture now. Yeah, or just in general, like who. When you see a video, when you're just scrolling through and you're just seeing on your, on your reels or whatever you want to call them on Facebook, nobody's going to the home page to check his followers. And this, I'm curious to who is actually behind this, this, Tom, because if you think I want to know when.

[Tom]

They put the disclaimer up, that's a.

[Vinnie]

Very good question as well.

[Tom]

But go back in the Wayback Machine and see when they altered it to be straight up. Because it only takes a little bit of a news.

[Vinnie]

Yes, Yesterday. What was that say yesterday, 12:44am Disclaimer. This video is created using artificial AI intelligence. I'm pretty sure they know that once this story is coming up, Gee, were.

[Tom]

They getting heat from people that figured out the bs?

[Vinnie]

That's what I'm saying. Because. And this is the craziest part, before I even heard about the story, I've seen one of these before. Somebody sent this to me as kind of like a, hey, look at your President. Look what your President is doing. And I looked on it and I went to here and I was like, oh, it's fake. But I didn't even respond to the person. But this is a very, very dangerous thing because, I mean, Facebook has already. Meta has already had a problem with all the stuff that they did, Tom, with the, with the content that the younger kids are going to be doing. They need to put something.

[Pat]

160, 63,000 followers.

[Adam]

That's.

[Vinnie]

That's very, very scary. That's very scary because this is, this is what's causing that. That mindset of what Trump and them are doing are Gestapo, our Nazis and all that stuff. I think AI Pat, there needs to be something. I hope they're working on it, to put it on there. That as a person seeing it, it's letting you know, nobody's going to the disclaimer. Nobody's going to the person's page. This is, this is a very, very dangerous thing that's happening right now.

[Tom]

It takes a stroke of the pen to say that to all. Look, cigarette companies took a stroke of the pen. You have to put one of these five messages on your pack of cigarettes.

[Adam]

Warning, Right? Warning.

[Tom]

And it's a stroke of the pen. And the stroke of the pen was after a lot of wrangling in court, but finally it was one single law that said, listen, cigarettes have to say this. All Congress and the President have to do is work together and have the, the AI disclosure law that says Your AI engines may not be used to make videos unless there is a watermark or an indication that says AI generated or in indelible in the. Go into the metadata. And there has to be an indelible part of the metadata. I mean, something you can't change or remove. Right. Get Congress involved because guess what's going to happen? Somebody's going to go to prison and they did nothing. Somebody's going to go to prison for like a serious crime and be on death row and they did nothing. And it's going to look like it came from a security camera. We are coming on the edge of this. I'm not worried about, you know, the, the current topic. It's terrible. If any AI generated images are moving the mindset of the American people or a voter incorrectly, that is horrible. And what I'm thinking about, forget about the elections. They're trying to go after Trump. What about an innocent kid, 18 years old and a friend who's technically savvy? And you've heard about revenge porn that kids do, right? Well, more than just kids. More than just kids. What I'm saying is, like, I shouldn't have said kids. Let me back up revenge porn that. There's been two cases, cases that were with fraternities and it was a very, very big deal. Well, guess what? Now you've got the situation where anybody could take revenge on anybody and create, at least for a short time, a slaughtering of your, of your personal reputation. What if somebody gets upset? And I'll use an example I know about, some kid gets upset at a teacher and his older brother and sister create AI generated images that, that teacher said some inappropriate things back when he or she went to college 10 years ago. And now for a whole week there's questions and then the school has to say, we can't have you at school for a couple days. We gotta figure out what's going on here. I'm innocent. We believe you. But you can't come to school because people are upset. Like maybe you said this. It's coming, it's coming. And we need Congress to do the same thing. They do it on cigarettes to say, listen, this product can be really dangerous. Any AI generations that come out of AI engines must watermark and have indelible metadata.

[Adam]

Yeah, well, we're no longer in the information age. We are now currently in the verification or validation age.

[Tom]

Information age.

[Adam]

Yeah. Information becomes dime a dozen at this point. You know, the World Economic Forum put out the greatest risk that we're facing as a society. Number One is misinformation and disinformation that just as of this past year. So over the next two years, that's what they says over 10 years they're talking about extreme weather events. So we're currently in the mix. And technology is something that you, you don't. How do they do this?

[Pat]

Look at this, look at this. I remember we're looking at this here.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Pat]

For today it's misinformation. But in 10 years, climate change, extreme weather events, biodiversity loss and ecosystem collapse, critical change to earth systems, natural resource.

[Tom]

Shortages, all the things that they're going to arrange.

[Adam]

Right.

[Tom]

And then you're going to give them power to fix it.

[Adam]

To the U. I'm not what I want to say. I'm not downplaying. What are the challenges that mother Nature makes a comeback. This is something that is man made. These other things are not man made. I know that the sort of story around them can be manufactured man made. But this is actual things that we can control and we deal with. My only other caveat is this. We assume that this post this, this account, we don't know who they are.

[Vinnie]

I know.

[Adam]

What about.

[Vinnie]

Well, I don't know but Rob just clicked on it. You know what flag that is?

[Adam]

What?

[Vinnie]

India. Okay, so what is some Indian guy.

[Adam]

Maybe and they're quote unquote an ally. We'll see. Yeah, but nefarious bad actors. You don't think China, you don't think Russia, you don't think Iran, you don't think North Korea are putting out these videos to so chaos in America? Of course they are. You know, they say that facts don't care about your feelings. Feelings don't care about your facts. A lot of people see that they get gaslit and who knows what happens. And we see ICE agents getting shot at. This is sort of downstream of that.

[Pat]

It is true though, it is true that all this stuff is a risk in a future. And this is why whatever video you see, generally go to the comment section and somebody will ask rock or someone to see if it's credible or not. Do not jump to conclusion with the videos until you go verify in the comment section. People will say these are actors. There's a. There was one video that was going viral with the same set of actors. If you remember that where the teacher comes out, takes the things off the video. You know, it's like these are all actors. Actors. They kept doing the same acts. Yes. So just check the comment section to protect yourself. Gang, do your thing. We will be back again on Wednesday. God bless. Bye bye.