Trump's Chicago Threat, Newsom's New Merch, Wes Moore vs National Guard & Snoop SLAMS Disney | PBD Podcast | Ep. 635

Summary

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PBD Podcast | Ep. 635

Date: August 25, 2025
Title: Trump's Chicago Threat, Newsom's New Merch, Wes Moore vs National Guard & Snoop SLAMS Disney

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Overview

This episode of the PBD Podcast, hosted by Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team (Vinnie, Tom, Adam), delivers a charged and lively discussion on the current national landscape. The team explores President Trump’s National Guard deployments in major cities, Gavin Newsom’s rising online presence and new “Patriot Shop” merch, controversies in crime reporting and statistics, Snoop Dogg’s viral remarks about Disney, and fresh debates on retirement age, inheritance tax, and international upheaval in Venezuela. The episode exemplifies the podcast’s blend of real-time reactions, personal stories, sharp humor, political analysis, and audience engagement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. National Guard Deployments & Urban Crime (11:13–29:56)

• Trump’s Crackdown: 1,700 National Guard members deployed in 19 states to support ICE and crack down on crime and illegal immigration. The hosts dive into the polarized reactions from city leaders and residents.
• Manipulation of Crime Stats: Tom points out (12:31) evidence that D.C. police fudged crime numbers, often downgrading serious crimes to make stats look better.
  • Quote—Washington Police Commissioner Greg Pemberton (13:19):
    “You’ll have a captain… advise them to take a report for a lesser offense … a shooting or a stabbing might get reported as just an injured person…to keep the stats down.”
• City Reactions:
  • Baltimore: Governor Wes Moore refuses to authorize Maryland National Guard, calling deployments unsustainable, unconstitutional, and disrespectful (18:44).
    • Quote (19:18):
      “It’s a direct violation of the 10th Amendment…for a party that talks about state rights, it’s amazing how they’re having such a big government approach…” – Wes Moore
    • Hosts’ Response: Vinnie and Tom express skepticism towards Moore’s argument, criticizing failures of blue city governance and emphasizing the rising murder rates in places like Chicago.
  • Chicago: Mayor Johnson threatens legal action and encourages locals to “rise up against tyranny” if federal forces intervene (22:17).
    • Quote (22:47):
      “If that’s necessary, I believe the people of Chicago will stand firm alongside me as I protect this city…” – Mayor Johnson
  • Public Sentiment: Clips played of both support (“Come help us!”—pleading Seattle resident, 28:13) and resistance (“Don’t let them do this to you!”—protester in D.C., 29:38) to Guard presence.

2. Newsom’s “Patriot Shop” & The Battle for 2028 (32:59–48:50)

• Gavin Newsom Campaigns Like Trump: Newsom copies Trump’s merch approach (e.g. new hats), rapidly growing his X (Twitter) followers and online attention.
  • Quote—Harry Enten with stats (34:49):
    “Gavin Newsom… daily Google searches up like a rocket since June 1st, up 1300% compared to August 1st.”
• Panel Debate: Is Newsom’s rise sustainable and will his political baggage (e.g. 2007 affair, past scandals) hurt his chances? Tom believes DNC will prefer a Midwestern candidate like Pritzker, but Vinnie argues Newsom’s shamelessness and digital presence make him the 2028 frontrunner.
  • Quote—Patrick (36:58):
    “If you truly want to make change, you’re only dealing with 15-20% of people in the middle…you’re not changing the 40% (Republican) or 44% (Democrat) diehards.”

3. Party Loyalty, Voter Demographics & Political Identity (38:50–56:28)

• Unyielding Party Loyalty: The team discusses psychological studies and Gallup numbers showing deep-rooted, nearly unchangeable party affiliations.
  • Quote—Patrick (40:02):
    “You’re not going to change this 40%, you’re not going to change this 44%... Just forget about it.”
• The Battle for the Middle: The real contest is for the middle 10-15% of voters, especially independents.
  • Quote—Adam (54:45):
    “Does Gavin Newsom have a chance? You betcha… He looks the part, acts the part…and women are going to pick Gavin.”
• Gender Political Divide: Young women are moving far left while men stay relatively centered (55:08).

4. Parenting, Environment, and the Shaping of Political Views (59:43–66:25)

• Parental Influence: Segment on the limited effect parental influence has after age 15, largely replaced by peers and community.
  • Quote—Guest psychologist (60:29):
    “…after age 21, there is no influence of parenting on psychological traits…”

5. Venezuela: U.S. Confrontation & Oil Politics (74:13–86:32)

• Rising Tensions: U.S. preparing for confrontation with Maduro’s regime, which is responsible for 25% of world’s cocaine and severe human suffering.
• Chevron & Geopolitics: U.S. oil interests at play—Chevron resumes operations, Venezuela holds OPEC leverage.
• Living Conditions: Venezuela’s misery index, mass outages, and economic disaster discussed as emblematic of the failure of socialism.
  • Quote—Pat (84:21):
    “In some regions, 20 hour outages… 200 outages a day… on the misery index they’re 178 out of 180 countries.”

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6. Snoop Dogg Slams Disney Over Woke Children’s Content (104:49–111:57)

• Viral Snoop Clip: Snoop recounts being asked by his grandson how two women in a Disney film (Lightyear) could have a child (105:37–106:05).
  • Quote—Snoop Dogg (105:42):
    “Papa Snoop, how’d she have a baby with a woman? She a woman? Oh, I didn’t come in for this…”
• Hosts’ Take: Panel sees this as evidence Disney’s “woke” direction is alienating even traditional left-leaning figures—and losing money.
  • Quote—Vinnie (110:36):
    “Just when you thought Disney couldn’t make it any worse, they find a freaking way… Snoop is anti-Trump, but even he can’t explain it.”
• Shift in Support: Snoop now expresses support for Trump (107:57).

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7. Retirement Age & Inheritance Tax: Myths vs. Reality (86:32–104:49)

• Ideal vs. Reality: Survey says Americans want to retire at 58, but the panel calls this naive and financially “stupid.”
  • Quote—Adam (87:59):
    “People who believe they can retire at 58 are stupid… They’re uninformed and naive.”
• Inheritance Tax Debate: Discussion about radical proposals for 100% inheritance tax, criticized as punitive to successful, disciplined savers.
  • Quote—Tom (98:33):
    “Be careful about taking away the incentive to accumulate… You’re just justifying your envy.”

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8. International Relations: Ukraine, Russia, and Negotiation Tactics (123:04–131:08)

• Putin’s Possible Concessions: J.D. Vance explains Russian willingness to guarantee Ukrainian sovereignty in some form — a shift from early stated goals.
  • Quote—JD Vance (123:04):
    “The recognition that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war…they’re not going to be able to install a puppet regime in Kiev…”
• Media Framing & Negotiations: Critique of liberal/Democratic framing of peace negotiations and sanctions.
  • Quote—Tom (125:23):
    “All they care about is Trump being wrong… They don’t care about ending the war.”
• Interview with Sergei Lavrov: Tense exchange highlighting the stalemate in negotiations and the central role of detailed diplomacy (131:08).

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9. Lighter Moments & Team Banter

• Bench Press Challenge: Extended ribbing and laughs over who can bench 135 pounds the most times, using viral clips of NYC and Brooklyn politicians embarrassing themselves at the gym (117:44–121:12).
• Car Sale Anecdote: Early lesson: always get three offers before selling your car (8:52–10:49).
• Commentary on Political Tribes: Repeated reminders that the show aims for the “reasonable guy in the middle.”

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Notable Quotes

• Pat Bet-David (36:58):
  “If you truly want to make change, you’re only dealing with 15-20% of people in the middle…you’re not changing the 40% (Republican) or 44% (Democrat) diehards.”
• Greg Pemberton, DC Police Union (13:30):
  “You’ll have a captain… advise [officers] to take a report for a lesser offense…”
• Vinnie (21:11):
  “Maintain your fricking state, you idiot… Well-led cities don’t need [the National Guard].”
• Adam (54:45):
  “Does Gavin Newsom have a chance? You betcha… He looks the part, acts the part…and women are going to pick Gavin.”
• Snoop Dogg (105:42):
  “How’d she have a baby with a woman? ...I didn’t come in for this…”
• JD Vance (123:04):
  “The recognition that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war…they’re not going to be able to install a puppet regime in Kiev…”
• Tom (98:33):
  “Be careful about taking away the incentive to accumulate… You’re just justifying your envy.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:13 – Episode theme rundown and basic advice stories
• 11:13–29:56 – National Guard deployments, urban crime & city leadership reactions
• 32:59–48:50 – Newsom’s “Patriot Shop”, digital strategy, and national ambitions
• 54:45–56:28 – How gender divides and “the middle” shape elections
• 59:43–66:25 – Parenting, peer influence, and the roots of ideology
• 74:13–86:32 – Venezuela, U.S. policy, oil politics, and living conditions
• 104:49–111:57 – Snoop Dogg vs. Disney and cultural backlashes
• 123:04–131:08 – Ukraine/Russia negotiations, JD Vance, and Lavrov interviews

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Tone & Style

• Language & Tone: Smart, irreverent, energetic; passionate but grounded in stats and anecdotes; sharp banter balanced with substantive breakdowns.
• Memorable Moments: Benching memes, Snoop’s Disney bewilderment, collective exasperation over “should be 58” retirement, and the persistent references to party loyalty and political echo chambers.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a dense but dynamic primer on the state of US urban crime, politics, ideological battle lines, and the subtle shifts shaping 2028. The team peppers hard news with authentic personal anecdotes, viral soundbites, and off-the-cuff humor—supplemented by sharp stats and clear, candid analyses of party politics, governance failures, digital campaigning, and the everyday concerns of ordinary (and extraordinary) Americans. Whether you care about crime policy, presidential wannabes, corporate entertainment, or the drama of world affairs, this episode offers you a front-row seat to the cultural, political, and moral fistfight in today’s America.

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Transcript

[Pat]

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[Vinnie]

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[Vinnie]

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[Tom]

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[Pat]

Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one.

[Tom]

My son's right.

[Pat]

I don't think I've ever said this. Okay, all right. Episode what do we rob? 650. Is it 6:49 or 6:50?

[Tom]

No, today is 6:35.

[Pat]

6:35.

[Adam]

You're living in the future, man.

[Pat]

Back to the future looks right, buddy. So lot to cover. Hope you guys had a good weekend. We have Jelaine Maxwell. Apparently the six hour interview that she did with what's his name? Terry Blanche was just released over the last couple days. The July 24th 25th was released and there's a bunch of claims. Todd Blanche. What did I call him?

[Vinnie]

Terry.

[Pat]

Terry. No, Todd Blanche. Todd Blanche. His middle name is Terry Todd Wallace. Blanche had to meet him with his brother. Yeah. So by the way, everyone's wondering, so what would she so think about? This is like a six hour podcast. What did she really reveal? Maybe she revealed something big. Maybe she revealed nothing. We'll talk about it today. Sergey Lavrov had a meeting with NBC. He was a. Which I thought was a very good interview. As they're going back and forth, he just kept pushing back on, you know, claims that she was making. So you're telling me the attack, you are taking responsibility for it? Don't put words in my mouth. You're saying that. I did not say that. You're asking me and you're not listening to What I'm telling you, it was a very good interview. Federal Reserve minutes highlight splits over effects of Trump's tariffs on inflation. You have to hear this one part where Jerome Powell has to almost say that these tariffs have done little to no effect on the. What do you call it, inflation. Yeah. 1700 National Guard troops deploy in 19 states for immigration. Baltimore is pissed. Chicago is pissed. A lot of these cities are like, don't come to us. But a lot of the people who are working in the streets are like, please come to us. There's even a man who's working in D.C. is like, Look, I, I'm comfortable now. No crime, no, no one's been. No murders in D.C. for the last, what, 10 or 11 days? I think 10 days now. 11 days.

[Vinnie]

Great.

[Pat]

Yeah. So something's working, folks. Something is working. Then you have. Tariff revenue will cut the US deficit by $4 trillion over the next decade. Fiscal watchdog says this is a Financial Times article. DC Crime stats plummet during Trump's federal crackdown. Again, we'll talk about that. Political divide between young men and women fueling dating app distrust. Kamala Harris is apparently going on a 107 day tour to promote her book.

[Tom]

The Invisible tour.

[Pat]

Yeah, the 107 day tour to promote the book. She's more committed to promoting the book than becoming a president. Go figure that one out. Texas GOP passes House Gerrymander Trump asked for Again, Political article. It's titled that way. Trump administration to better legal immigrant Applicants for anti Americanism and antisemitism. Retirement age should be 58. Oh, I have a such a strong opinion on that, on what retirement age should be. I know you do as well. Snoop Dogg takes his grandson to the movies and they're watching Snoop loop. Yeah, he takes him to the movies and they're watching Lightyear and a lesbian mom scene comes up. And then next thing you know, the two lesbian moms have a kid. And so the grandson asks Snoop, hey, grandpa, what's that all about? And you have to hear what Snoop said. Weird, he didn't have a reaction. By the way, the podcast host herself is trying to be diplomatic. While you could tell, she has common sense in her and she has no clue what to say. Right. They're all trying to. We need sponsorship money from this leftist organizations that give us money because we don't want to upset them. Rampage Jackson's son allegedly attacks wrestler. I don't know if it's allegedly. I mean, it's on video cnn. He got uses. Allegedly. The guy got destroyed and he starts, you know, punching his face left and right, literally left and right. And then rampage even reacted to it. Doesn't look good. Not sure what's going to happen, but didn't look good. US officials confirms Pentagon planning National Guard deployment in Chicago. Mayor Johnson responds. JD Van Schools NBC's Kristen Welker on Russia, Ukraine diplomacy. Like he's talking to fifth grader Zoran Mamdani fills that bench press. But folks, what do you bench press? Can you please comment below what you can bench 10 times? Can you just comment below what you can bench 10 times? I'm just curious. This is a terrible. Like you're not Bobby Kennedy, buddy. If you don't know how to bench press, don't do it. You didn't make.

[Vinnie]

He looks like he never even.

[Pat]

That was pretty bad. How many times can you do? 135.

[Vinnie]

135 means just 45. 20 times, maybe 20 more.

[Pat]

Yeah, no, you could do 20.

[Vinnie]

I mean, I'm not.

[Pat]

Vance reveal 21. Vance reveals Putin has conceded in Ukraine peace deal negotiations with Trump. And then, you know, Newsom stat comes out saying Newsom's new publicity stunt has increased online following for him by 450%. Harry Anton says, rob, let's get that clip ready as well. We'll definitely talk about that. And yesterday, you know, one of our girls, Mickey, she goes to sell her car and it's so funny what happens to sell her car. It's such great basic, simple advice for everybody. I'm going to give it to you the moment we get into it. On first offer, second offer, third offer. You won't believe what that process was like. It's just such a weird thing that a lot of regular people don't do anymore. They, they just go right after the first thing they get. Ah, it's a good thing I'm going to go ahead and sell it. But anyways, let's get right into it. Couple things. Today's Monday the 25th. This Wednesday, last chance. August 27th, we're going to have a private tour of our entire facility here. By that day, the footsall field may be done. You'll see the entire vision of what we're building. I was on a call with a friend of mine this morning. He sold a record breaking card for $12.9 million. They bought it. They bought a card for $12.9 million. Him, O' Leary and a couple others. They literally just bought it. He's out of the country. We're having a conversation ticket. I'm telling him what Happens here on campus when people visit here, we want to show you the campus, especially those of you guys that are going to the vault. So if you've already bought a ticket, great. Rob's going to put the link here for you to go register. If you bought a ticket, you get to bring a guest with you just to see the tour. Some of you guys are going to be able to get on private jets and actually see what a private jet's like. And some of you guys are going to see some exotic cars. And I'm not just talking about some regular cars. I'm talking some very weird looking cars that cost a couple million dollars. That'll be this Wednesday if you haven't yet bought your ticket. We are literally two weeks away from the vault conference. This is when all of a sudden everybody starts buying the tickets and oh my God, I got to get the ticket, I got to go, I got to go, I got to go. Which is great. But this is causing tickets to sell out as well. If you're somebody that hasn't yet purchased your ticket, go to thevaultconference.com thevaultconference.com Rob, can you put the link below thevaultconference.com if we have a QR code for them to go there as well. Get yourself a ticket. Generals will be able to network with around 4, 500 people. Platinums and executives will get a tour by a couple of our associates. Anybody that's got a founder or seal ticket, I'm going to be giving you a tour of the entire facility. Excited to see everybody here. We're going to have some hors d', oeuvre, some food. You know, it's going to be some, you'll see stuff before a lot of other people will see it. So again, if you're in South Florida or surrounding, people are traveling from, you know, from other countries here to just come for this. But if you haven't yet, go to the vaultconference.com get your ticket and go register with the link below. Add a guest, we'll see here in 48 hours. Okay, so let's talk about what happened this weekend. Some basic, simple advice for everybody. So you know who Mickey is, right? We all love Mickey.

[Vinnie]

I love her.

[Pat]

She's trying to buy a new car, okay. And she goes out there to sell her car at the first place that she goes to, Toyota, she's going to do an exchange. I'm trying to buy this car, 4Runner and yeah, we'll take your car. How much are you guys Willing to get for my car? 1400 bucks. How much? 1400 bucks. Wow. It's like, yeah, it's really only worth $1400. She's like, man, maybe it's only worth $1400. She leaves, she said, what should we do? Why don't you go to Carvana, see what they do? Goes to Carvana. Carvana offers $4,000. Okay. And then she comes back, she says, they offer 4,000. That's awesome. Should I take it? Like, well, we did one of our stuff with Suburban. Go try carmax. You know, Suburban with CarMax. So she said, let me go to Carmax. Goes to CarMax, $5,500. So she went from Toyota 1400 to Carvana, $4,000 to CarMax, $5500. And this is not even brought to you by CarMax, but this is like the biggest commercial for them, right? To go to a place like that. What's the point? Take three offers when you're trying to sell something. Don't jump on the first one. She went and got her $5,500, went about a brand new Toyota 4Runner for herself. She's super happy. It's amazing how many people right after, oh, my God, this is good. Do it. You know, I'm going to take it. No, pump the brakes. Don't be that in a hurry to buy a car. I was telling Jen and Mickey this morning, you know, sometimes when people see us and they're selling us something like, oh, Pat can't afford it. Sell them more. Yeah, ask him for more. They don't realize, first of all, I'm Armenian and I'm Assyrian and I'm born and raised in Iran, and I sit next to him and, you know, and I've been in financial services my entire life.

[Tom]

You.

[Pat]

You know, when you make money yourself, do you know how careful you are now? Your radars are always up to know that people are like, oh, he can pay more for all this other stuff. So anyways, food for thought. This is not a story. This isn't anything. This is just for the right 82 people that are listening to this that are saying, you know what? I got to go to three places before I sell my car. That's all I'm telling you. Okay.

[Adam]

I'm glad that I'm rubbing off on you in the right ways. Pbd.

[Pat]

Well, that was such a great opening for me, but kids are watching this. Kids are watching this, and we're just going to stick to G. No, go for it. I'm not going for it. That was a little too easy. But cameras are on. All right, let's get into the story. First story we want to start off with. Rob, what's the, what's the first story we got to go with? What was the. What the audience asked for?

[Adam]

New York City and Chicago takeover by Donald Trump.

[Pat]

All right, let's, so let's go through the whole. The, what do you call it, National Guard stories of what's going on. All right, 1700 National Guard troops to deploy in 19 states for immigration. Okay. 1700 deploy National Guard in 17 in 19 states. And this is a FOX News story. So including Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming to assist the Department of Homeland Security with President Trump's nationwide crackdown on illegal immigration and crime. With Texas projected to host the most significant Guard presence, the service members will support ICE by performing case management, transportation, logistical support, clerical functions, which may include personal data collection, fingerprinting, DNA swabbing, and photographing of personnel in ICE custody. At. A US Defense official stated, national Guard soldiers being mobilized will effectively serve as a support pillar to a sweeping federal interagency effort while also serving. While also serving as a visible deterrent force. Tom, your thoughts on this story?

[Tom]

Well, first of all, this is great. You know, D.C. last week, we didn't cover it, but there was a little story that slipped out last week of why this is good. They said that under pressure, political pressure, but they didn't say who. They didn't say what. They had actually been fudging crime stats in Washington, D.C. can you believe that, Vinnie? That the police department, there was two stories I saw that they were actually fudging crime stats. So it was probably, it was probably worse. These were people that were part of the police union that had since retired that said, yeah, we had been asked to move these stats. We've been moving these stats. The crime in D.C. was actually worse than.

[Pat]

Is this it?

[Tom]

Yes, this is the Washington Police Commissioner.

[Adam]

Greg Pemberton, talking about the manipulated staff.

[Pat]

Let's hear it.

[Tom]

Well, this is it. Absolutely. That's one of the chief complaints of our members when we go around and talk to them, is that they respond.

[Pat]

To the scenes of these violent crimes.

[Adam]

And inevitably, you'll have a captain or a commander or sometimes a lieutenant show up on the scene and advise them.

[Tom]

To take a report for a lesser offense. One of the things that we see.

[Adam]

Them do often is sometimes there'll be a shooting or a stabbing.

[Pat]

And if the victim is uncooperative with.

[Tom]

The police, which is not uncommon in some areas of the city. They'll be directed to take an injured.

[Pat]

Person to the hospital report, which is.

[Adam]

Not even a crime at all.

[Pat]

It's an incident report. Sometimes you'll have a robbery, it'll be.

[Tom]

Reported as a theft. Other times you'll have burglaries that are.

[Adam]

Reported as unlawful entry or thefts. This is something that's been unfortunately part.

[Tom]

And parcel of the police police department for some time.

[Pat]

And we're very skeptical that these crime stats are accurate. Tom.

[Tom]

There you go. There you go. This is the guy who's with the union trying to help. The cops have good jobs and you have a lieutenant or someone goes on the scene. This isn't a shooting. This is just an injured person. You know what an injured person is, Vinnie? I looked it up. An injured person report could be this a. A crackhead. Let's just. Sake, unfortunately is out there. And he falls, he goes, knocks on someone's porch. He's panhandling for money. He falls down the stairs and he's unconscious on the sidewalk.

[Pat]

Okay?

[Vinnie]

He's.

[Tom]

You know that this is not far fetched. That's an injured person incident. Instead, they take a shooting and turn it into injured person because it affects the stats.

[Vinnie]

It's almost like Thomas.

[Tom]

So guess what? Not only is the National Guard needed in these cities at these blue cities, and these blue cities are trying to sound less blue, but the National Guard is actually helping. And there were clips over the weekend of like people that are doing summer jobs selling stuff on the street. They were selling Gatorade and water and everything. They bought these big bags full of it at Costco, selling at $2 a bottle to tourists that were walking around going to see the monuments and stuff in D.C. and they asked them what they thought about it and they were like, well, you know, I think it's pretty good. You know, some of the police were just kind of, kind of casual about things. I think this is good. Makes me feel better. And so this is Trump, you know, doing exactly what a leader should do to address a problem. And instead you have the Dems that don't care about what's going on in their cities, in my opinion.

[Pat]

Yeah. So by the way, while this is going on in San Francisco, I don't know if you saw what happened with Adrian Guerrero. I watched a video this morning. So there's this guy, Adrian Guerrero. Who knows if it's a guy or a girl. They're saying female, male. I Don't know the the what the individual is, whether they're male or female. The name is Adrian Guerrero. He goes, pulls up to them and this is what he's telling to ice. This just. The video is disturbing to watch. He starts screaming at the ICE agents, okay? Saying I'm gonna F you up. He also threatened to go after them and their family. Going to stab you. During the attack by 15 anti ICE riders who use pepper spray and punched officers. Homeland Security Christine Ohm. Our brave ICE law enforcement are now facing a thousand percent increase in assaults against them as they risk their lives to arrest the worst of the worst criminals. These acts of violence are fueled by sanctuary politicians rhetoric vilifying our law enforcement. This follows a July incident where 10 armed asylum asylums in tactical gear opened fire on ICE agents near Dallas. All were charged with attempted murder. And if you look at this, this is the black knife that he had. That's Adrian Guerrero. Who knows? Again, I don't know if it's a guy or a girl. Does he refer him by he or she? Can you look at that? Because Fox referred him by she.

[Adam]

Okay, so go, go keep going after your family.

[Pat]

Okay, so now watch the bottom one, the Pam Bondi tweet. Can you go to the below the tweet terrorist rag right there. Watch this. Click on that picture, Rob. Okay, we are now. We've now made a total of 630 arrests and see 86 illegal guns in D.C. 53 arrests were made yesterday, plus 24 ICE arrests and 10 guns taken off the streets. Our incredible U.S. marshals even helped recover a missing child. Our mission to make DC safe again isn't slowing down. Go a little bit lower on the data right there. 630 arrests August 21, 86 gun seized. Tom.

[Tom]

And additionally we have statistics that came out over the weekend that we are now entering our 9th and now 10th day in D.C. without a murder. And guess what's happening to the police officers, Vinnie.

[Vinnie]

What?

[Tom]

Guess what? The regular police officers have increased the energy that they show on their patrols. You know why they're not walking around casual anymore. You know why? Because there's leadership there. And the gig is up with the false statistics. So the police that are on duty there are now actively doing their job. Not just sort of hanging out and let D.C. happen around you. It's all around good. This is leadership by the President.

[Pat]

Here's what.

[Tom]

And it's a proof point. It's now a case study.

[Pat]

This is what Westmore said. I don't know, Rob, if you have that clip. Westmore responded to the president saying, keep our city's name out of your mouth. Kind of like a Will Smith moment. Is this it, Rob, or is that a different one?

[Tom]

I have a different one.

[Adam]

I can play this and find that clip.

[Pat]

Is that about the.

[Tom]

This is about sending the National Guard to Baltimore.

[Pat]

Yep. Go for it. Are you so opposed to this deployment?

[Vinnie]

Well, there's a. There's plenty of reasons. You know, one, it is not sustainable. You cannot continue this type of pace of operations, particularly when you're. When it's costing over a million dollars a day in order to do this. The second, it's not scalable. You're not going to be able to do this in every single major American city, particularly when many of the cities that have the highest crime rates are the places that have actually deployed their national guards to Washington, D.C. so who's going to go do the work in their cities?

[Pat]

The third, it's unconstitutional.

[Vinnie]

It's a direct violation of the 10th Amendment. And for a party that talks about state rights, it's amazing how they're having such a big government approach in the way they're conducting public safety. The fourth reason is because it's deeply disrespectful to the members of the National Guard. You know, as someone who actually deployed overseas and served my country in combat, to ask these men and women to do a job that they're not trained for is just deeply disrespectful.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Vinnie]

And so when we're thinking about all of these lasting factors, when we think.

[Adam]

About the fact that it serves as.

[Vinnie]

A distraction from the fact that the president's disastrous economic policies are making everything more expensive for everyday Americans, is making.

[Pat]

Life harder for everyday Americans.

[Vinnie]

There's a multitude of reasons that I am against this, and I will not authorize the Maryland National Guard to be utilized for this.

[Tom]

I have two quick questions, and I yield the floor. Question number one. How many times did he mention the stats in Baltimore? How many times?

[Vinnie]

Zero.

[Tom]

Second, how many times did he mention protecting the citizens of Baltimore?

[Vinnie]

Zero.

[Tom]

I'm done.

[Pat]

Okay. Well, by the way, what they're saying right now, Tom, they are giving stats, and what they're saying is the fact that crime in Baltimore is down year over year, crime in D.C. is down year over year, and crime in Chicago is down year over year. Now, keep this in mind. This is the data that's being reported, so who knows what they're comparing you to? Like going back to the data you were talking about earlier or. Yes. So it's not their argument is it's working. What we're doing is working. Leave us alone. We got it. But the people are not agreeing with them. The people are saying no, man. National Guard, come over here, please. We need you. Vinnie, your thoughts?

[Vinnie]

I think it's ridiculous. Him, Mayor of Baltimore, mayor of New York had their problems. And then the mayor of Chicago, mind you, I'm going to say this, Tom. I don't want the National Guard deployed anywhere. I don't want government overreach, nobody, like any sane person. I don't want the National Guard in these major cities. But you know what? This goes on the mayor, this goes on the governor.

[Tom]

Right?

[Vinnie]

Maintain your fricking state, you idiot.

[Tom]

Well led cities don't need it.

[Vinnie]

No, I'm being dead serious. And the worst out of all of them is Chicago. The nightmare under Brandon Johnson. All my Chicago folks, all the Syrians in Chicago. You guys know what I'm talking about. In 2024 alone, 581 homicides. And you're right, Pat. What? When they're talking about the numbers, it's still almost 600 people dead. 2,600 shootings. There's more mass murders happening every freaking weekend in Chicago. The numbers are crazy. All the robberies, 1600, carjacking. It's a war zone. They call it Chiraq for a reason. All right? And he throws all the money, by the way, this is the guy that should be giving money to fund the police. He had $600 million so far went to illegals and $70 million in new property taxes to pay for that crap. All right? And meanwhile, his approval rating, 6.6%. Pathetic. Okay? And then he announced, pat, Chicago will refuse to work with ice. And this is him basically saying, like, rise up to the citizens, which is, to me is a call to action about all the National Guard. Rob played this clip.

[Pat]

And so, you know, look, we're going to remain firm.

[Vinnie]

We'll take legal action. But the people in this city are accustomed to rising up against tyranny. Yeah, if that's necessary, I believe that the people of Chicago will stand firm alongside of me as I work every single day to protect the people of this city. And as a Chicago.

[Pat]

Did he do A Bill Clinton? Rob, 24. Second thing, he's. But go back about 10 seconds. Watch the two times. Three times right there. That's perfect. Watch this.

[Vinnie]

Against tyranny. And if that's necessary, I believe that the people of Chicago will stand firm alongside of me as I work every single day to protect the people of this city. Like, literally, in my opinion, the worst mayor. Like, and this is. This is, like, going up against Karen Bass and everybody. He is the worst mayor. And just in 2021, they had 797 homicides. The entire. He has more deaths in Chicago than Canada and UK combined. And forget about Lloyd Lightfoot. 2021, Lori Lightfoot.

[Pat]

I'm going. I'm. You're going back?

[Vinnie]

Yeah, I'm going back.

[Pat]

Where he's at under him right now.

[Vinnie]

What.

[Pat]

So 23 they were at. So it went from 700 right there. That's the one. So 2020 was 779. 2021 goes to 805, 2022 goes to 715, then 2023, 621, then 581. So what they're saying is it is declining. So their argument is, leave us alone, we are figuring it out. Right?

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

The same thing they're saying with Baltimore. One from 263 and 23 to 224. The same thing with D.C. went from 274 and 23 to 187 and 24. And these are reports. These are deadly.

[Vinnie]

The.

[Pat]

The. What they're measuring here is violent crime, including homicide, robberies. Carjacking has fallen to its lowest in 30 years. That's what they're saying, according to DOJ. Right. However, this is the part they're not saying. What they're not saying is it is higher than any other city in America, period. Yeah. So you're sitting there saying, well, give it a break. We're making so much progress. Yeah. You're still some of the most dangerous cities in America, and you can't get it together. And we got to find a way to get even safer, period. And if the president wants to do that, he's going to clean uptown. Now, the. The locals, what are people saying? If you can find a clip of that one boy that's walking around in D.C. saying, How does it feel not being out? I don't know if you have that clip or not. Go ahead. Adam, your thoughts on this?

[Adam]

Yeah. Well, the reality is American cities are unsafe. We see it all the time. Vinny brought up Chirac. Anytime that you're comparing an American city, a great American city like Chicago to Baghdad, Iraq, you might have a problem in some of your cities.

[Vinnie]

They brag about it, Adam.

[Adam]

And Chicago's not even the worst. Memphis, Detroit, Baltimore, Philly, D.C. new Orleans, you know, Fort Lauderdale. Sometimes I hear some stories. But a lot of our American cities are unsafe. So Trump deploying the National Guard. I'm trying to see the downside from this. So it reminds me of like a story of, you know, the, the joke with, with NATO how like, daddy's gonna take over. This is a, sort of a weird story. So my friends back in the day were in like middle school and we were home alone with all our buddies all day, and our friend's mom was kind of, do whatever you want, boys. Do whatever, but. But wait till dad gets home and you're gonna, you're gonna see what's going on. We decide to put on our own version of the wwe. We all picked our different wrestlers and combatants. You would have been the Iron Sheik, I'm doing the Hulk Hogan Ultimate Warrior junkyard dog, or, you know, Superfly Jimmy Snuka off the top ropes. It's chaos in the living room, pillows, fights, food fights. Just absolute Wrestlemania. The place is absolute crazy. All of a sudden, ding dong dad shows up, we freak out, we all run through the hills because we understood when dad came home, there was going to be hell to pay. What's happening here is these cities have been run amok by single mothers, so to speak. And Daddy's home. Trump called the National Guard and he's cleaning up the streets. So what's wrong? You don't want less murder? You don't want less crime, you don't want less rape? What's the downside? The political perception of law and order being brought to your city? To me, as long as you clean up these American cities that are held hostage by literal gang members and gun violence, I see no problem.

[Vinnie]

Pat, can we play devil's advocate for a second? Like, you know, I mentioned a little bit. I don't want them. I don't want the National Guard deployed in these cities, okay? And like, obviously it's their fault. Meaning these Democrat horribly run cities, how long are they gonna stay at them? Because you know what? This is how it happens, Tom. They bring them in, they go, hey, we're doing it because these people aren't doing it right. At what point you think they're just gonna pack up and leave? Cuz you know what's gonna happen? People are gonna get used to it, Tommy. And they're gonna be like, you know what? I'm kind of cool with the surveillance, I'm kind of cool with this. And then it becomes a freaking police state. So I'm playing, I'm pissed off that the Democrats let it go that far, Pat. At the same token, I, I don't want the National Guard because then who's to say they go like this? Florida is going to go. You know what, like you mentioned, it's not that bad in Fort Lauderdale. But you know what? Give us 20 National Guard homers, Pat, and let them patrol the streets. There's a very thin line now.

[Pat]

You're making a very. I like that you're being a. Being reasoning. I like that you're looking at both. I like that you're doing. Because that allows us to see both sides. Here's a message from this is Seattle. A woman homeless. Rob, go ahead and play this clip. Watch what happens to you. Homeless woman breaks down crying as she pleads for help in Seattle. It's necessary for President Trump to help cities in America by bringing National Guard troops in for extra backup. Absolutely.

[Vinnie]

Wow.

[Tom]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Pat]

We need it.

[Tom]

Come help us, please.

[Vinnie]

We really need it here in Seattle.

[Pat]

Seattle used to be a pretty city.

[Vinnie]

It used to be a nice place.

[Pat]

But now it's not. Everything's closing up, shutting down because people just had it. I don't feel safe when I'm by myself. I'm scared a lot. I have to keep my phone in my hand because I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. The other day the smoke shop right here got robbed. Yeah. And I don't think there's much business that there used to be because people are afraid to come.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Pat]

People don't want to spend their money.

[Vinnie]

When they fear walking to the store.

[Pat]

I want to bring my kids, kids down here. You're seeing this, right? By the way this is coming.

[Vinnie]

I don't think she's. I think she's just there to make.

[Pat]

Our city, make our city save again. He could do it. I know he has the power, you know. So you see this? It's a five minute clip. I don't want to get into it now. There's the opposite of this. Rob, play the other clip of the National Guard, the Humvees driving around and this man is yelling at them. Don't let them do this to you, man. Just now yell at National Guard to patrol in Washington D.C. these are your own citizens. These are homeless people. Watch this one here. This is a very, very different reaction than what you just saw.

[Vinnie]

These are your own citizens.

[Tom]

These are homeless people.

[Vinnie]

You guys are group. Don't let them do this to you. It's abusive to you. And now are going to get when you're up and you have to go to VA and they cut all your services. Refuse now. Do not do this. You have the Obligation to refuse unlawful order.

[Pat]

Okay, so whether this is a do not. But yeah, like don't go control, leave it alone. Don't clean up the streets. If you're not going to, if you're not going to do it yourself, you know, if you're not going to do it yourself, they're not going to do it. You know, they're just not going to do it. The reality is it comes down on the individual, on the leader at the top. The president was like, look, I'm going to expose you. You can say whatever you want. Pritzker is not happy. You think this is a good look for the governors of these states? Like Westmore is trying to run for president. Yep. Okay. Pritzker is trying to run for president. And Gavin Newsom is trying to run for president. Okay. Gavin Newsom is trying to run for president. And you can tell when you see these guys, they themselves are, you know, around 20, 28. And Newsom, I want to go through some of the stuff that he's done. But prior even doing this, I want to get into one other thing. Rob, if we haven't done it, Rob, can you pull up the website again? So Vault Conference one more time, guys. Vault Conference this year is brought to you by Goliath Ventures. Again, if you haven't yet registered, Martha Stewart, Tony Robbins, David Falk, myself, two and a half days is what we're talking about here. And this the sponsor of Vault Conference. Again, Goliath Ventures is the title sponsor of Vault Conference. If you haven't yet gotten yourself a ticket and registered for it, go to the vaultconference.com get your ticket. It's the once a year meeting where we all get together. Similar values, similar principles, strategies, 296 page manual. We go through over three and a half days, get registered. We are two weeks away from the event. And again, the event is brought to you by Goliath Ventures. Let me get back to the story here. So as we're talking about this, you see Newsom completely change the way he's campaigning. Completely changed the way that he's campaigning. Rob, can you go to his Twitter account first? Let's kind of go through his Twitter account. And by the way, believe it or not, this is helping him. It's bringing eyeballs to his Twitter account. It's not like it's not working. So he's put this up there saying the Patriot Shop is now open. Look at the hats that he's got. It's literally everything that Trump does, he copied. Newsom was right about everything. That's Trump's hat that he was wearing just last week. Trump is not hot. A Real Patriot Newsom 2026. Even though he's not running in 2026, he's talking about the midterms go a little bit lower. One by one by one, he's taking shots at everybody. Okay, one by one by one, he said, we just sold $100,000 worth of material. This is what Donald Trump was. What? What does he say? Donald Trump was president during the last census. Okay, so he's talking about the census. Every chance he gets, whether it's him, his team, or somebody doing it, is calling him out. So the question becomes, is it working? Is it not working? Here's what Harry Anton has to say with data. And by the way, we report whether we like the news or not, we're reporting it for you. So go ahead and play this clip. Wouldn't it be great to manage your portfolio on one platform? Well, now you can trade all in one place on Robinhood. That means you can trade individual stocks and ETFs and also buy and sell crypto using seriously powerful and intuitive tools at one of the lowest costs on average without needing to manage multiple apps. Robinhood makes withdrawing and depositing crypto seamless. Send crypto to your Robinhood account or send crypto from your Robinhood account to other wallets without deposit or withdrawal fees from Robinhood. Trade all in one place. Get started now on Robinhood Trading. Crypto involves significant risk. Crypto trading is offered through an account with Robinhood Crypto llc. Robinhood crypto is licensed to engage in virtual currency business activity by the New York State Department of Financial Services. Crypto held through Robinhood crypto is not FDIC insured or SIPC Protected network fees may apply to crypto transfers. Crypto transfers may not be available to all customers. Investing involves risk, including loss of principal. Securities trading is offered through an account with Robinhood Financial LLC member sipc, a registered broker dealer. So you're about to make a trade based on a friend's text, but which you do you listen to.

[Vinnie]

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[Pat]

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[Tom]

And more than that, Laura, more than that.

[Pat]

What about Google?

[Adam]

What about those Google searches form, get this.

[Pat]

Daily Google searches for Gavin Newsom, up like a rocket. What are we talking about? Since June 1st, up 1300% compared to August 1st.

[Adam]

Look at that, up 500%.

[Pat]

So the bottom line is, in politics, especially if you're thinking of entering in 2028, it's all about generating attention. And so far, Gavin Newsom has done a good job at generating attention.

[Vinnie]

Democrats want it.

[Pat]

Do Democrats want it?

[Vinnie]

Okay, do Democrats want. Of course they do.

[Pat]

What do you mean?

[Vinnie]

Like, do Democrats want it? Do they want a Gavin Newsom and. Yeah, because they're freaking stupid.

[Pat]

Look at stupid Vinny. They're not. We don't need to. Well, no, we have friends that are gender. We have one friends that are. What? What they are. Is they okay if they keep voting for. Yeah, but we can't call them stupid. Like, we can't tell people they're stupid. Like, there are people that are born in a certain way and they become Democrats. Okay. You know, like, I'm sitting there right now and I'm watching this video, Vinnie, which is about parenting. And I'm gonna play the clip here in a few minutes. I didn't even find a way to go to it. I just want to make sure we're not going out there calling all these guys dumb, stupid, all this other stuff. I had a girl in my office one time, she's the spouse of one of our guys, ex spouse of one of our guys. And we're sitting there and I'm asking her, she's a die hard AOC person. This lady can't stand me. She does not like me at all, ok? Everything that happened, she. She's pushing the guy away from me, okay? So I said, let me ask you, when you were in school, were you. Were you a English person, literature person, or were you a science person? Were you a math person? I hated math. Really? What did you like? I love English and I love journalism. I like writing. Fantastic. What else did you like? Did you like chemistry? Did you like physics? Hated it. What did you like? Like I told you, writing is what I like. English is what I like. Okay? I watched this video that's talking about parenting. I learned whether we like it or not, people are born a certain way. Some people are more cutthroat. Some people are more logical. Some people are more emotional, okay? They're not stupid. They're born that way. I've come to the conclusion, trust me, they're not stupid. You are born that way. I run an insurance company. I'm watching everybody. We come out with announcements. It's the right announcement. But somebody says, that's not fair to those people. That's not fair to that person. And typically that. That's not fair was to the people that are not working the hardest. And they're just kind of wanting everything to be easy. So it is. It is not a stupid thing. Believe it or not, we're trying to force these people to change. They're emotionally more caught up by the feeling. The question I got for you is, do you think the approach he's taken. Newsom Vinnie. Yeah. Thousand percent up. June, 500% up. August, 450% up. Activity on social media. Do you think this is going to work for him to be the leading candidate for 2028?

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

You think he's going to.

[Vinnie]

Because I called it that he's going to be the front runner for the 2028. I don't think. I know. Tom's. Tom's JB Pritzker with the money and the. And I get that act. And you know what? And you're actually right. I don't think that they're stupid. What's the word, Pat? If it's your. If you're just blind loyal to the party. Meaning. And you're right, you're right about what? I don't think that they're all stupid. I take that back. What do you call a person that is just loyal to the party but sees the crime, the border, the lying? They know exactly who he is, but they're still to vote for this guy because it's not the other side. What would you call them?

[Pat]

You know what I mean?

[Vinnie]

Instead of stupid. What. What do you call somebody that p. That knows that the ship is sinking and they're still going to jump on the ship because the ship has their name on it as their group's name?

[Pat]

This is. This is what I've learned. My. This is what I've learned. And Tom, I'm going to come to you because there's a lot of other clips that. Rob, can you find a couple of the clips from Nome, the old mayor interview when he didn't want to talk about anything or, you know, there's a couple clips I'll show you about Nome that's just embarrassing and it's so old, I don't even know who sent it yesterday. Was it Humberto?

[Vinnie]

It was me.

[Pat]

What a great clip you sent.

[Tom]

This is when he was mayor.

[Pat]

Yeah. So there's a couple of them. There's three clips. There's a debate moment. There's that clip. We have to see it. But you know, Vinnie, this is what it is. This is what it is. Do you think there are people that if we get the worst Republican candidate ever, criminal, terrible guy, horrible human being, they're still gonna vote Republican?

[Vinnie]

Yes.

[Pat]

Yes. What percentage? 90% of the Republic of the current Republicans.

[Vinnie]

Like I'm going to vote for somebody.

[Pat]

What do you think, Tom? What would you say?

[Tom]

So people that are died in the wall, that don't.

[Pat]

No matter what, they're going to vote Republican, and no matter what, they're going to vote Democrat.

[Tom]

My understanding is that it's that there's 24% on the GOP side and about 27% of the total voting on the Dem side that will stay red or blue no matter what.

[Pat]

So that's a no matter what. Right. So you know what conclusion I've come up with?

[Tom]

That's what you're asking?

[Pat]

That's what I'm asking. The conclusion. I actually put it at 40. 44. Okay. Give or take 44 affiliation.

[Tom]

But you're asking me for the no matter what.

[Pat]

Yeah. Yeah. So you're right. And let's qualify both. Okay. That's party affiliation. 40 Republican, no matter what. 44 Democrat, no matter what. Okay.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

So when you look at these two things and you say, what's wrong with you? What's this? What's that? I'm telling you, I'm going to show you this clip by this doctor that's going to break it down. You're trying to change people. You can't. You're not going to change this 40. You're not going to change this 44. They're going to drive you insane. The only. If you truly want to make change in the world, and it's taken me 46 years old, having worked with so many different personalities, you're literally only dealing with 15 to 20% of people. Yep. That you're talking to everybody else. It doesn't matter what you say, you're not changing them. Yeah. You're dealing with 15 to 20% of people. The 40 and 44% that ever change on both sides, it's because someone offended them. Somebody from their party, their own party let them down. Like if you're seeing right now hardcore conservative, pro Zionist, pro Jewish, all of a sudden hardcore anti. What happened? You got offended. Somebody did this and guess what? There's nothing you can do about it. You're not going to change that guy. You're not going to change that girl. It's just not going to happen. Right. Or a massive crisis happens in their life, death in the family. You know, betrayal, some kind of a letdown, some kind of a chaotic situation. So my focus has been trying to talk to the people in the middle that will sit there and say, well, I didn't know that. That's kind of. That really exactly what happened. Yeah. So to me, what I think with what Newsom is doing, this is the case study on how I'm looking at this, Tom. I'm looking at this. Okay, go to 2027, 2028. All of these videos are going to recirculate. Rob, play any one of them that you have. Okay. Play which one. Okay. This is the interview, by the way. It's uncomfortable to watch it. Okay. It's uncomfortable to watch. Keep going. Keep going until it starts. All right, Watch this here. Starts from here. Right off the bat. Watch what he tries to do. He's a mayor here. I don't know what the year is. This could be 06ish. Rob, if we can find the.

[Tom]

Oh, this is the instant redirect.

[Pat]

Yes. So watch the. Within. Within three seconds. Watch what Newsom does and see if that reminds you of him today. Go ahead, Rob.

[Tom]

Mr. Mayor, good to see you. Let me start by asking you, where have you been? $522.2 million shortfall.

[Pat]

Last year we had a 506.56. Hank, I'm here to talk about today and tomorrow.

[Tom]

Now, yesterday, I've been working my tail off.

[Adam]

I've been out.

[Tom]

I think I had 69 public events.

[Pat]

The last two and a half weeks. You know, I heard you say that on the radio today, and then I.

[Tom]

Asked your staff, well, where's the printout?

[Pat]

Where are these events and your press? Well, this is stuff he just goes to.

[Tom]

These are all public events.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Tom]

So. But look, you know the criticism that you have been dodging not just the press, but also the public, that you.

[Pat]

Have been sulking after dropping out of.

[Tom]

The governor's race, that you're having a temper tantrum.

[Pat]

What do you want to say about it?

[Tom]

I want to say that I've been working my tail off. I've been here focused in San Francisco. I think I was gone two days.

[Pat]

Out of the city.

[Tom]

In the last three weeks, we've done 69 public events.

[Pat]

I've been as engaged or more engaged than Ever.

[Tom]

I don't read the press. It is comical some of the things.

[Pat]

That have been written.

[Tom]

So the cartoon in the Chronicle that depicted you as a crying baby with the headline Mayor, Mayor off the wall.

[Adam]

You didn't see that?

[Pat]

No. You didn't see that? Who reads that stuff?

[Tom]

I don't read that stuff. I focus on work, I focus on getting.

[Pat]

Go to the last 20.

[Tom]

You know, it's not just the press.

[Pat]

The way he walks off. Go back a little bit. Go a little bit forward. Go forward, forward, forward. Right there. Okay, go ahead.

[Adam]

At the end, he couldn't leave the room fast enough.

[Tom]

Off the record, I'm amazingly disappointed. Amazing. I just am personally, you know. Well, I did draw him out more about the.

[Vinnie]

For asking, asking questions and he.

[Adam]

See what he says, right?

[Vinnie]

Here he goes.

[Adam]

Just cuz you say off the record.

[Pat]

Doesn'T mean, doesn't mean that I. That I agree.

[Adam]

Yeah, you're exactly, yeah. It just shows how long he's been doing.

[Vinnie]

Oh man, he's amazing. Amazing.

[Pat]

And so, so the question becomes, Rob, if you want to play this other clip, when you go through these back to back to back, the question you ask is, is he still able to overcome this to go become a president? Maybe, maybe not. I mean, there was a point that they talked about the debate where the guy who's debating him, he says, listen, if his own best friend can't trust him with his wife, what makes you think you can trust him? Right. Make that a little bit bigger. Rob, watch this clip. Go ahead. For coming here in short notice, want to make it clear that everything you've heard and read is true. And I am deeply sorry about that. I've hurt someone I care deeply about. Alex, Turk, his friends and family. And that is something that I have to live with and something that I.

[Vinnie]

Am deeply sorry for.

[Pat]

I am also sorry that I've let people in San Francisco down.

[Tom]

Yeah, they expect a lot of.

[Pat]

I don't know if he's going to explain this to you or not. You know what? It was Rob.

[Vinnie]

This is him in 2000, 2005, get an affair with Ruby Tippy Rourke, who was his best friend's wife.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Vinnie]

Best friend's friend's wife.

[Pat]

And listen.

[Vinnie]

And I know people.

[Pat]

So watch his clip on the debate. This is it, Rob. I just found it. Play this clip.

[Vinnie]

Rob.

[Pat]

This is during the debate race for governor. His opponent says this to him. Okay. His opponent says this to him.

[Vinnie]

The question is very simple, ladies and gentlemen. If you can't trust Gavin with his best friend's wife. How can you trust him with your.

[Pat]

State.

[Vinnie]

That is like best friends.

[Adam]

I did not know that.

[Pat]

Oh, he slept with his best friend's wife. Campaign manager, bro.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, like that too.

[Adam]

I mean, there's so many things, you know, what about Gavin Newsom?

[Vinnie]

You know why he apologizes? He got caught. That's why you're apologizing.

[Pat]

So Newsom had an affair with his secretary, Ruby Rippy Tork, the wife of his campaign manager and good friend. On January 31, 2007, Newsom's campaign manager and former deputy chief of staff, Alex resigned after confronting Newsom over a sexual affair the mayor had with his wife in late 05. And it was done with. So he. But, but here's a question. What Was Newsom in 07? What was Newsom in 07? What was newsom in 2007?

[Vinnie]

Job title?

[Adam]

Mayor of San Francisco.

[Tom]

He was a mayor of San Francisco that personally presided over a same sex marriage that I believe he officiated with a judge on the steps of City Hall.

[Pat]

Perfect. So in. Oh, he was a mayor. That's all I'm asking. I just want to know if he's a mayor. So he was a mayor in 07. So he goes from mayor to governor to recall, winning again to now he'll be the leading candidate for 2028 Democratic. So here's what happens. And the real question for me, the more I'm processing this from the business standpoint and I want to ask you guys and you butcher the argument, I want to see what angles you're going to take. So in California, it's not as if they're going to have a Republican beat him. It's not going to happen. And the guy that was standing to his left in the debate, I think that was Mayor Villagarosa. That was a former mayor of la, by the way.

[Vinnie]

I remember guy.

[Pat]

So he lost to him. They chose him. The money's gonna be behind him, the backing is gonna be behind him. But the question becomes the same exact way where a lot of Republicans had given up on Trump and they had said DeSantis is the one that's gonna do it. Because look at DeSantis the way he did Florida. He did this, he was fighting, he was doing that. Is this gonna work across the country nationwide? I don't know. He just passed a gerrymandering that's going to be on the ballot on November 4, which is going to make the state be 48 to 4. House of Representatives on the Democratic side, it's going to go from 43 to nine Republicans to 48 to four Republicans. It's a monopoly California is going to have, right? Do you think the voters, not the 44%, not the 40%, do you think the middle 15, 16% is gonna look at this guy and forget these moments? Or do you think these greatest clips are gonna run against him in ways that he's gonna be forced to disappear and never, ever run again? How shameless is this guy that none of that stuff's gonna affect him to become a president? What do you think?

[Tom]

He's completely shameless at a level that we haven't seen in politics in a long, long time. So I have three points. Point number one, the attention is working. He is getting the attention of Dems that are upset about the economy, upset about the way immigration is being handled, upset about the tariffs. They were scared about inflation, even though the facts didn't come true on it. And so those people were upset and they love seeing a now a nationally visible Democrat fighting for them. And they love it that he's calling Trump names. So point one, the attention is working. They're coming to his socials. Trump the second. We gotta wait and look at the dnc. Bernie was leading until South Carolina. And the DNC said we don't think Bernie's electable on a national stage. And I believe that that is the opinion. And I'm not a supporter of JB Pritzker and I'm not a Tea Leave reader. I'm looking at real data from dnc. The DNC believes that JD Pritzker is the guy that's electable on a national scale. And I'll tell you why you can ignore Gavin News, because the DNC takes California's electoral votes for granted. We're going to win California anyway. We don't need Newsom to carry a key state. We want G.B. pritzker here because what is surrounding Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Cleveland. And that's where the Dems need to have a resurgence of a visible candidate in those battleground states. So I think the DNC is going to pull strings on it. My third point is to your point about who we can move. I'll give you two charts really, really quick. The first is there's an organization, and I'm not plugging them, I'm just telling you what they do.

[Pat]

Pat.

[Tom]

The Johnson o' Connor Research Institute have been, I believe, in San Diego, and they have been forever doing analysis on human beings. And they will tell you that what you just said a moment ago is true. You have Normal aptitudes that are with you when you're born. And you can cultivate them over your life or you fight them. An example of fighting. You have a very creative son. But it's like dog on it. I was a doctor. Your grandfather's a doctor. Your uncle's a doctor.

[Pat]

Creating an enemy.

[Tom]

You can make a great. You can make a great doctor. And you can be safe and have a good career. And. And we'll help you get in. And you have a creative son. Not gay. Just to say creative son who's into architecture. No, I'm saying that when I say creative, I'm not speaking code.

[Pat]

Vinnie doesn't have a gay son, folks.

[Tom]

For what?

[Adam]

Really creative.

[Tom]

But you have a son that wants to be an architect and. And the rest of the family is fighting his aptitudes. It's natural. The last thing that. I'll take you to. Rob, I need the Arizona chart on the voter. There's been all this talk going on about. Just need the Arizona stats. Go back to Arizona. Right there. There's been all this talk about who's registering the most, who's not registering the bows. And to your point, about the 15 in the middle, would you like to know what almost the largest party in Arizona is at 1.53? It is independence. Libertarians and Greens are small. Can you find me the exact numbers on that? I think we found that earlier on one of the links. It was the numbers for Arizona.

[Pat]

Did you say 1.53 million is independence?

[Tom]

That's correct. I want to find the exact number.

[Pat]

Democrats.

[Tom]

Yeah. Amy and I covered this when we did decision 2024, brought to you by Valuetainment. And that's the part.

[Pat]

Yep.

[Tom]

So I need that one in a second, Rob. But anyway, it is. The independents are almost as large as the Republican registered in Arizona. And that, you're exactly right, is where the battle is made. Now go to the Gallup. Rob. The Gallup. Take a look at this. Pat, you're right. These are the people since 2023. Who do you identify with? They're saying, who do you call you? So this is also the independents. This isn't how you're registered. Do you identify more right now as a Republican or a Democrat? And with all the mayhem and things that have been going on in the spring here.

[Pat]

This is Gallup. Gallup. 46%. No matter what, they still identify as Democratic.

[Tom]

That is correct.

[Pat]

Right now, 43% is Republican.

[Tom]

You can see the surge that happened. The shift in Q1 that was. Guess what? Q1 last year, that was the shift, the primaries. Trump comes back and look at the surge. As the people said, you know, I really feel more like public. But guess what, 46, 43, that's only 89. There is your 11%, which is closer to 15% where you're. You exactly talk a minute ago where the battle is being fought.

[Pat]

I got to go ahead, Adam.

[Adam]

So the question is, does Gavin Newsom have a chance?

[Vinnie]

What's the exact that is he persuade that 10 to 15% that are just kind of on the fence, like, well, I don't know where to who's.

[Pat]

What message will Newsom with this approach that he's taken, will this work on the national scale, not just on California?

[Adam]

Yes, it will. Gavin Newsom is a snake oil salesman. We all know that. He's at a version of American Psycho. He looks the party, acts the part. Don't forget, you know, we're a bunch of guys talking politics, talking current events, talking social issues. You know, what we don't have on this stage right now on this podcast are females are women. And there's a story here about the political divide between young men and young women. We use as an example, young men, if you look at the stat. I don't know if you can show this, Rob. You know, they're like, men are moving more to the right and women are moving more to the left. Men are more conservative. Women are more progressive. Not really. Men are actually just straight up in the middle. Rob, do you have that? Women have gone off the deep end politically. So we, we tend to think of, well, you know, since Trump and since what's going on here, men have come and become way more conservative. That one right there, right here, if you see the zero, that is the bottom line. This is young men in America. So if you're above zero, that means you're a little bit more liberal. If you're below zero, you're a little more conservative. Men are basically at the zero line. They're not too liberal. They're not too conservative. That's the green line. Men, women are off the deep end, progressive. So what we're creating in this country since basically 2000 are angry liberal, single, lonely, depressed feminists. Not my opinion.

[Vinnie]

Facts don't lie.

[Adam]

Feelings, numbers don't lie.

[Tom]

Words talk.

[Adam]

Numbers scream.

[Vinnie]

They're screaming.

[Adam]

Men are not crazy MAGA extremists. They're just dudes who know what they do, what they with who they are.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Women have gone not 10, not 20, not 30, 40% off the Richter scale. So you ask the question does Gavin Newman have Gavin Newsom have a chance? You betcha. Is he good looking? Yes. Does he got great hair? Yes. Does he talk very handsy and and do women compel him 1 million percent? So if you put up JB Pritzker's sloppiness against Gavin, women are going to pick Gavin. You put name recognition. Don't forget about get name recognition. Nobody knows Wes Moore. Nobody knows Andy Bashir. People hardly know Gretchen Whitmer. We all know Gavin Newsom. I'm not saying he's good. I'm not saying he's qualified. I'm saying he'd be a disaster. But I'm saying he could win.

[Vinnie]

And I think and Pat your to your question about that 10 to 15% I hope. And that's why I think it's it's our job for podcasts like this and us to remind people who this person is to show the receipts of who this person is. Show them what they do. And Pat, just FYI Rob, do you play that clip? I think it was CNN that the Democrats have a deficit of 4. Play this clip. 4.5 million voters Z Labor Day savings.

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[Vinnie]

Altogether Democrats have lost 2.1 million voters.

[Pat]

Republicans have gained 2.4 million. That's a deficit that you have of 4.5 million voters.

[Vinnie]

So I'll apologize because I chose the wrong wording. Democrats aren't stupid. It's just this blind loyalty and not knowing the actual like history and what this person's doing. I think it's a wake up call to let these people know that 10 to 15 guys this is who he is. This is what he's about. Nothing is going to change.

[Pat]

But. But for sure. But what I'm. What I'm. The angle I'm going to take is where I'm going with this is I've always, if I've had a goal on who I want to attract to listen, is the guy in the middle that is still thinking about which way should I go? The guy that wants to be that's fairly reasonable, that maybe was raised a Democrat and is like, let me tell you, some of this stuff just doesn't make sense to me. Right? Why is this happening? That's all it is. Sometimes when you present the argument, the person listens to it and then you're like, okay, now don't get me wrong. You need the marketing. You need all that other stuff. You need the shamelessness. You need. I'm talking to Tony Robbins. I'm like, hey. He says, what do you think is the number one quality of somebody becoming a president? I said, you have to be shameless. He said, I never thought about it that way before. You have to be shameless to become a president. You have to know that. Think about what you're most embarrassed about, your mistakes the last 10 years, 20 years. Are you comfortable with everybody around the world talking about that? And you're still shameless enough to go out there and become a president? That's what you need. Trump has that. Newsom has that. Some of the people have that. I don't think Kamala had that. I think Kamala was, you know, I think Joe Biden had it. Believe it or not, Joe Biden, some of the stuff you go back, the guy was shameless as hell is what he was. Okay, by the way, Clinton, shameless. You want to go through list, There's a Hillary Clinton, the ultimate shameless. She just didn't want because she had a terrible personality. She wasn't attractive. But you need that quality. I do want to show this clip about parenting. Vinny, I want you to watch this. Rob, if you can pull this up. This is a gentleman speaking about why parenting has almost no effect. Tom, after age 15, look at the way he breaks it down. Go ahead. It's where you live.

[Tom]

Why?

[Pat]

Because out of home influences are more.

[Tom]

Powerful in shaping the life course of.

[Pat]

Your child than in home influences are. And those out of home influences are, are peer groups, other adults, neighborhoods, resources.

[Adam]

Schools, and the larger community that you.

[Pat]

Made available to this child.

[Tom]

That is how you shape your child's life course.

[Pat]

The second biggest influence is also out of your hands. And that's genetics and you don't get to determine that.

[Tom]

But if you think parenting is so.

[Vinnie]

Influential, let me give you two findings.

[Pat]

That have been replicated many times.

[Vinnie]

When we follow up twins, we are.

[Tom]

Able to calculate how much of their.

[Pat]

Behavior is to due to parenting within family environment.

[Adam]

And here's what we find.

[Pat]

The peak years of parental influence are below 7.

[Tom]

From 7 on to 12, it drops dramatically. After 15, it's 6%.

[Pat]

6% of the variation in a teenager's.

[Adam]

Behavior is how their parents raised them.

[Pat]

That's it.

[Adam]

And after age 21, it's zero.

[Tom]

There is no influence of parenting on any psychological trait after the age of 21. Now do not mistake what I am saying.

[Pat]

The knowledge your child possesses, what they know, is clearly a function of exposure in the environment. But their traits, their abilities, their makeup.

[Adam]

Their personality is not.

[Pat]

Tom, do you agree with them?

[Tom]

I agree to a certain extent. I mean, remember you're talking about, this is the, this is the psychological environment and industry speaking. And it's based on their, their observations. However, there is truth in what he's saying, is that you get really two bites at the apple. Bite number one is under age 13, before puberty, because puberty brings emotions, hormones and changes in behavior that we all experience ourselves. The second bite you get is between 13 and 18 when they leave the house. Now the first bite is much bigger and more impact, but, but you do have a chance between 13 and 18. And the angle that I chose, which was based on a lot of research, was I taught my daughters to reason and resist. To reason through the situations of life and resist the easy for the best, resist the easy choices for the best. And I constantly pointed out perspectives. I didn't just stay in the echo chamber of our dinner table. I pointed out, hey, did you see what happened to that kid at your school? Yeah. Do you see, do you see this? Do you see? And so when you start pointing out things that are happening in their environment and you teach them to reason and resist, that's what you get the second bite of the apple. But he's correct in that. Look, when the kids are young, you gotta get em, you gotta get em young on the things that you want them to respect, to do and to have a natural inclination to. Because after puberty and all those hormones hit, it's really difficult. They're fighting two things. Structure you're putting around them, and the natural hormonal zaniness, especially in young boys. It just happens to you. And then where, where, where do they spend most of their day. They spend most of their day in school. And so you need to know what is the makeup of the most influential kids are at their school and what are those households looking like? And I've been fortunate that the households that the girls are being influenced by are well structured and well behaved households.

[Pat]

You know, you watch this and when he says, After 15, after 21 years old, the influence is zero, and it's zero. I don't agree with that.

[Tom]

No.

[Pat]

You know, where it's, you know, it's more about parents, more than, you know, the community, more than it is a parents. Okay, fine. Yes, I do believe that because purely the hours number of spend with different people, it's important to put your kids in a school that's teaching the values that you agree with. And the risk is involved on, you know, somebody may disagree with this, Vinnie, and they may say the following. They may say, well, I don't agree with this guy. Really? Yeah, yeah. Because the influence is more on parents. And that is why. Tell me why the LGBTQ community is growing on the kids. You think the parents are doing it? You think most parents are sitting there telling their kids to be gay? You think, forget about the Megan Foxes and forget about the Hollywood folks. You know, the Dwyane Wade's. You know, I know since my kid was three years old, he was a transgender, whatever. Yeah, I'm not talking about those guys. But who is doing this? School's doing this. Who was doing this? Communities are doing this. So there's a part of what he's saying is so true where if you build a community like the way we are, when we're around each other, our values are similar. I don't mind if my kids are with Tom and I'm not there. He doesn't mind if his kids are with us and we're not there. We don't have any problem there because we know what we're teaching. Right. And neither one of us are undermining each other. Like, I don't undermine Tom and Tom doesn't undermine me. You can have some other people that are around us and they. They take shots. And you, you see the kids, when you see the kid disrespect you. The kid never disrespects me. The parents disrespect me in front of the kid for the kid to disrespect you. So never think as the kid, it's not the kid. The parent is influencing that. So you're like, no problem. If that's the case, I'm not trying to get involved. It's your kid. You handle your thing. But on the part that I want to talk about here is the influence side. The other night, we're having dinner, okay? And we're at dinner, a restaurant we've never been to before. Some of you guys should check it out. It's called Casa Diente. So we're having dinner at this place. There's a guy that made a video with 40, 50 times me saying it. I just love the place. So we come back, you're there, we're in the car. You drove us home. We're in the car with the boys, right? We come home that night, and I sit down with me, Tico, Dylan and Senna. I take out a piece of paper, okay? And I said, guys, let's play a game together. And this the game that we played. We played the game. I said, tell me. You can see here what it looks like. I said, tell me. You're 30 years old, okay? What would be four to five things that you would be proud of if you're 30 years old that you're doing? Okay, so I'd want to be a soccer player. Okay, great. What else? I want to run my own business. Insurance. Okay, great. What else? I, I want to be a palain. Pallantia law. Palentiologist.

[Vinnie]

Palenta.

[Pat]

What is that? That's like the study.

[Vinnie]

The dinosaur person. Tom.

[Tom]

Paleontologist. I think it's paleontologist.

[Vinnie]

Paleontologist.

[Tom]

That's okay, so study of, study of animal history.

[Pat]

Right. So, you know, that's what I want to do. Okay, great. What else? And I'm going through it. I, I, I'd wanna. Okay, what else? Next one. I'd wanna be the CEO of Tainment. What else? I want to be able to do this. What? I want to be able to make movies. I want to be able to write scripts and my characters actually become. You know what else I want to be able to have on Bakery. I want to be able to do this, I want to be able to do that. And they're explaining all of these things, right? So I said, okay, what qualities do you need for this to become a reality? Leadership, determination, discipline, hard work, poise. They're giving me all the qualities I'm not giving them. I said, so you need all those qualities to be this. Yes. All right, fantastic. What route do you need to take for each of these jobs? Which of these jobs do you need? A degree. Do you need a degree to be a professional soccer player? No. Do you need a degree to be a business owner? No. Do you need a degree? So we're kind of going through it. Yes. I need a 4 penalty. All this other stuff. We're kind of going through it, right? And then you know what I do? I said, okay, great, let's play a game. What's the game? We're going to play the imagination game. What's the imagination game? I said, let's go through it. Says, I want you to think about. You're 30 years old. Okay? You're 30 years old and you're. You want to set that aside, Adam, for a second? What are you doing? You're eating some chips and stuff?

[Adam]

No, go ahead, sir.

[Pat]

Okay, so imagine you're 30 years old and you're actually doing this job. Adam, what are you doing? Pat?

[Adam]

It's a thing right here.

[Pat]

So I said, I'm telling him 15 times, like, set that thing aside. I said, Imagine you're 30 years old. You're a professional soccer player to one of them. I said, Imagine you're 30 years old. You graduated West Point. You're in the military. I'm just watching reaction. I said, how's it going to feel? He says, I guess we'll know when I'm there. I said, okay. So I said, Imagine 30 years old. You're making movies, you're in the theater. You're watching people's reaction. They're getting scared or they're crying or they're reacting and you're just watching everyone's face. How's it going to feel to see his entire physiology changed his face? Then I go to the next one and the next one, and then I go to Dylan. I wish I recorded this moment because I'm always going to cherish this moment. This moment with these guys in tears. In full on tears. Dilly dilly when I tell you full on tears. Full on tears. And he then senna. I said, notice which one didn't give you any excitement. Notice which one. You were just kind of like, whatever. Notice which one gave you an incredible. I said, you have to realize I can only take you so far, Daddy. I can't take you that far. I'm your dad. My dad never told me to go be a business owner. He just set an example. I worked hard and I picked up the hard work from and keep your word. And I took it to this level. I've never seen anybody in my family make this kind of money. I wanted to go to this level. If you're going to go be a professional, anything, you got to take it to certain levels that I can't even take it. But when you saw their faces, I said, notice. You didn't react to that, but you reacted to this, and you reacted to this. Tonight's going to come down to what you guys want to do with your life. But every one of them, Vinnie, is different. This is why I'm convinced there are studies done about the fact that people are born with liberal tendencies and people are born with conservative tendencies. You're born that way. And then some of it is family, environment, surroundings, all this other stuff that makes you that way. So to me, as we're going through this direction, there are people that hate passionately. People like Trump. Passionately. They hate people like Trump. And you know, you're like, all right, that's who that person is. But if we're going forward with this place and you're seeing that whole number you just showed that says 2.1 million Democrats lost, Republicans lost 2.4 million. Why do you think Democrats lost 2.1 million and Republicans gained 22.4 million? Why do you think the reasons are?

[Vinnie]

Border economy.

[Pat]

No, think about them. So, so, so Democrats screwed up the border.

[Vinnie]

Democrats, they're so. They're losing voters.

[Pat]

Why. Why did 2.2.4 million people flip to the Republican side?

[Tom]

Nobody's emotional or you're taken by the Democrat vision. What they're selling.

[Vinnie]

And they don't get me.

[Tom]

It's not about. I don't think it's about the issues like that. I think it's at first, it's at the core. You don't get me emotional about the future of America. If you describe it the way the Dems do, that's me. Yeah, you haven't got me. But guess what? There's a bunch of people that are moving that don't like what they see in America and they like what they're being sold on.

[Vinnie]

And I think a lot of them, too, Tom. Like, when you see.

[Tom]

That's my opinion.

[Vinnie]

Like when you see all these, like. I'm not saying Stephen A. Smith is not a Democrat anymore, but all this shift, all these people flipping because they're like, wait a minute. This guy, like this movement that you. You guys were lying to us this whole time, from Russia to this to that to here, the economy and now, now time, they're like, wait a minute. Everything that you guys said about this guy, that stupid.

[Pat]

That, that.

[Vinnie]

I'm sorry, I'm saying the word again, that Hat Newsom was right about everything. No, no, Trump, he wasn't right. About everything. But he was kind of right. The tariffs are working. The border, this everything, the crime, it's all working. So now they're all flipping to the other side. Yeah, they are.

[Pat]

So to me, if the number one factor for me is results, when. When they first came out with all this transgender stuff and all the COVID vaccine stuff and all the stay home and don't go to school and put the mask on stuff, guess what? The 20% did. Not. Not. Not the 4440, not the 47. Whatever. With the 46 to 43, what did the 15% of middle do?

[Vinnie]

Started questioning, getting upset.

[Pat]

No, they actually did it. The people are like, all right, maybe they're right. Maybe we should take the vaccine. Maybe they're like, maybe we should put the mask on. Maybe they're like, maybe we should stay home. And maybe they're right. Maybe. But then what happened? Then they learned they were wrong. And then when they found out they were wrong, they're like, dude, I don't relate to you guys. What's the point? The Republicans can still screw it up and hand those votes out to the other side. They can still screw it up and hand the votes out to the other side if they start getting overly confident. But right now, according to data, research numbers, and by the way, the tariffs are not even done yet. Imagine if they brokered a deal with China. Imagine if he gets this peace deal with Russia, Ukraine, Zelensky. Imagine if he gets everything that's done with Israel. And imagine if he gets all this stuff done and the economy is popping next year. What are they going to say? You can try to mock all the stuff you're doing. People are going to look at you and they're going to be like, yeah, you guys are funny.

[Tom]

You.

[Pat]

You. It's like the guy. You ever seen the guy that's like, you know the basketball game? The guy's like, hey, what's up? Yeah, what's up?

[Adam]

What's up?

[Pat]

What's up? And the player goes like, Tim. He looks at him, laughing. Him. He's like. He points at the leaders. Bulletin. You're down 42 points, bro.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

What are you doing? Yep. That's what could happen in 27, 28. If they keep playing this way, it could be a devastating loss to the other side. The way they're going, Adam, have your nuts. This guy opens up the nuts, like, at the. All right, let's go to. Let's go to Venezuela. Let's talk about Venezuela real quick. I got a few things I want to say about this. So Maduro rallies Venezuelan militias before US Warship arrival. So check this out. Do you know what is the most America's ever offered a bounty to an individual? What do you think is the most money America's ever offered as a bounty?

[Vinnie]

25 million.

[Pat]

To who? Osama bin Laden. And who else? Two names. Saddam Hussein. Okay, so you know what's the most bounty we ever offer to anybody? Maduro, record breaking number one. So a few things. When you go through why this has happened and why this is such a big story, it's a massive story. By the way, I think we have 4,000 troops, if I'm not mistaken. 4,000 troops, okay. They've already deployed three guided missile destroyers. USS Gravely, USS Jason Dunham, USS Sampson. Okay. They designate this guy as a terrorist organization the same way they did as Ms. 13 and a couple different places. Do you know how much money from Maduro they've seized? I didn't know this number. Do you know how much money they've seized from Maduro?

[Tom]

No.

[Pat]

$700 million of bank assets, money accounts we got. Yes, $700 million. Private jets completely seized it. And so the question becomes, why are they doing this? You know, Venezuela is responsible for 25% of the entire world. Cocaine. So whatever cocaine that's being used out of four, you know, lines you do, one of them is from Venezuela. Just kind of look at it that way.

[Adam]

That's Colombia.

[Pat]

They got 25% of it. So it used to be Colombia. Is that.

[Vinnie]

I don't know.

[Adam]

Tom, do your little bubbler noise. Figure it out.

[Tom]

So you snort cocaine, you don't bubble.

[Pat]

While they're doing this. Trump administration.

[Adam]

Explain that again.

[Pat]

Trump administration allowing Chevron to resume their US only oil operations in Venezuela. All of this stuff is going on right with Venezuela, all this stuff that they're doing. And then Maduro is trying to flip the script. Rob, if you got this video here to play this. Is this the clip ramp?

[Tom]

Yes.

[Pat]

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Than 4,500,000 militia members.

[Pat]

Amelia across the entire national territory militias prepared activated and armed rifles and missiles for the rural force to defend the territory, the sovereignty and the peace of Venezuela. By the way, for the people that but for the people that don't know that's not really his voice. I don't know why that man, the translator was screaming the way he was but shout out to him. He was actually trying to get the energy as well as Maduro was. He's calling on Venezuelans to enlist in the national militias ahead of the potential arrival of the US warships in the Caribbean. With state TV on Friday urging men and women to sign up at army bases and public squares. A presenter declaring when your country calls, it's as if your mother was calling. Maduro stated a day earlier we call to arms all militia members to tell imperialists enough of your threats. Venezuela rejects you. The US plans to send the things that we talked about. Maduro has claimed the militias have four and a half million people though outside estimates put Venezuela's total forces at 100,000 to 400,000. As the ranks have been hollowed out by desertions amid the oil rich countries economic collapse. The US government which does not recognize Maduro's last two elections victories recently doubled down on a $50 million. And a lot of this is accusing him of leading the cartel des Los Solos allegations. Maduro is dismissed as rotten rerun aiming at justifying foreign intervention. So Tom, what are your thoughts about what's going to end up happening here?

[Tom]

Well, let's play fun with math with Mr. Maduro. It says very very simple how many people that he says in his militia. Four and a half million.

[Pat]

Four and a half million. 4.5. Okay.

[Tom]

The world bank seems to think his population is 28.2. Independent estimates indicate it's 26.7 to 28 and there's one estimate at 29. Let's just go in the middle at 28 million people. Four and a half million people would be almost 18% of the total population is in a militia ready to help their dictator that has destroyed their currency, shut off electricity and Water. Imprisoned people chase the highly educated out of it. See also Cuba, 1965. Castro did the same thing and now he's been. Has a bounty on his head. You're telling me that. And so this is why the military estimates are he only is about a hundred thousand and they're really poorly armed. When the shit, excuse me, when the shit starts to hit the fan from the. You only need one of those destroyers and we're sending three. This is, this is off the charts. Now then, there's a very important word that's in the middle of all this reporting and that word is Chevron.

[Pat]

That's tricky.

[Tom]

That's right, yeah. Who is. Chevron is buying oil from Venezuela. What international oil group is Venezuela a part of? And everybody forgets about it.

[Adam]

Opec.

[Tom]

Correct.

[Adam]

Thanks.

[Tom]

They are the lone OPEC representative in the other hemisphere. So. And they went to OPEC so that they could get pricing controls and other things because they didn't have a working government to help. And so right now Maduro is just out there, man. This is literally a man without a country. There will be celebrating in the streets on one hand when this guy is taken, the other hand will be very upset that the US came and did it. You know what I'm saying? It says, it's like, I'm glad you fixed immigration, but I hate the videos I see of you taking people out of the field.

[Pat]

Living conditions is absolutely horrible in Venezuela.

[Vinnie]

So two things. If we want. I mean, we have a bounty. Let's. Let's be completely honest with each other. If we want this guy dead, he'd be dead like that. Let's not even.

[Tom]

Well, you can do the CIA way or you have to do a public way where you get the citizens to come up and, and hopefully vote for something of a government.

[Vinnie]

Because, because when I see that, like when I think of the people, I feel bad for the people. The same like with Iran, Pat. Like it. Besides the people having to freaking rally. And I get it because you know, they have everybody so, you know, scared in the military and this and that. If we want, we have a bounty. But if we want him done, Tom, this guy could be done in a week.

[Pat]

What's your point?

[Vinnie]

I'm just saying, like, what are they waiting. What's the boundary bringing awareness.

[Pat]

Yeah.

[Tom]

What fills it in 2025 of the world's cocaine or I mean the cocaine coming North America? What fills the g. We learn about Saddam Hussein. What do we learn about the Shah of Iran? If you come in and you just cut down the tree. You better have a plan to get shade for the citizens, because now there's no tree.

[Vinnie]

I mean, but if you put a bounty, that means. Hey, guys, Anybody out there? If you kill this guy or you get capture him, we'll give you 50 million. He's got the, The. The. The bounty set. They want him dead.

[Adam]

I'm not. I'm not buying that description that Tom used. I get that. That's correct in the Middle east, but. But nowhere in South America. Islamic extremist terrorists taking over. They always say, you know what's worse?

[Tom]

What's on the other side will take over.

[Adam]

Correct. You're always like, what's worse? What's next? Well, we know in the Middle east what could come next. What could be possibly worse than a communist socialist dictatorship in South America? Like, show me something worse. There's no worse that can come from it. So what trend will take over Venezuela? Venezuela already has the highest misery index in the high in the entire Western hemisphere. So in the Middle east, yes. Things can get way worse. When a Islamic extremism group comes in. In the Western Hemisphere, we don't have that sick, twisted ideology. We just have terrorism. So I'm not buying that getting Maduro.

[Tom]

Worse as much as it is. Adam. Better. How does it get better? And people like Chevron that are heavily lobbying the US Government to intervene yesterday. The entire oil producing and refining industry is in the President's ear right now and in the ear of Marco Rubio saying, can you fix this? Because this could be a key supplier here in this side of the world. And so how do we put something better in place? It's not. I'm not worried about Muslim extremism being part of the government. I'm worried about, can we at least get closer? Can we at least get a leader that's closer to Mexico? Mexico, who's still corrupt and led by the cartels, but has something close to a working government.

[Pat]

Well, the challenge is when you're saying Mexico, the worry is, if Venezuela succeeds, Sheinbaum is going to look at that as a case study. Because, you know, Mexico is also. You know, the claims are that they're also being controlled by the cartel. So we know Venezuela works directly with them. How the hell did. When they say they seize $700 million of assets? How does Maduro have $700 million of assets? How'd you get that money for the oil? Who'd you take it from? Where'd you get that money from? How do you have all those jets and the luxury? What business Was he in, did he find, did he start an oil company? You know when you have 80% of a country living below poverty line and 54% live in extreme poverty lines in some regions in Venezuela right now there's 20 hour outages. Vinny. 200 outages a day in Venezuela, 200 outages a day.

[Tom]

This is water and electricity.

[Pat]

Yeah, I mean it's, it's, it's horrible. Horrible living. I think on the misery index, they're 178 out of 180 countries. They scored 10 out of 100.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Pat]

Is what their scores, 10 out of 100.

[Adam]

There's only a couple countries worse.

[Pat]

Yeah, there's only a couple.

[Adam]

Zimbabwe and Sudan.

[Pat]

Yeah, it is a. You know what their inflation is here? We're talking about inflation being what, what's the number? We're trying to keep it below 2%, 3%. Do you know what inflation is in Venezuela Right now? 700 plus percent. It was 500%. It's at 770 plus percent. It is. And by the way, have you ever met Venezuelans?

[Adam]

They're the best.

[Pat]

They're the best.

[Vinnie]

Oh, I love them.

[Pat]

They're some of the best people in the world. Literally some of the best people in the world. Guinness Book a world record. About 30 years ago, they were talking about the happiest people in the world. You know what they ranked as the happiest people in the world? Venezuela. People from Venezuela were known as the happiest people in the world. We're talking decades ago, you know, but things have changed. So the bigger concern with this is if they allow them to continue, other Maduros in South and Central America are going to be like, oh, there is opportunity. America will allow somebody like me to be there. One, you got to get the oil to be circulating. The other one is you don't want another person to want to be like him. You don't want Mexico to be like him. So they're kind of playing offense and you know, it's going to be interesting to see what happens here. Venezuela, Adam.

[Adam]

Well, this is just another case example of what communism and socialism would do to your country. I want to say that 40 years ago. You talk about 30 years ago, Venezuela, I think, was one of the richest countries in the entire Western hemisphere. I mean, incredible economy. And now it's just basically an authoritarian gas station run by this dictator slash thug. You know, they say, show me your friends or show you your future. Who are the friends of Venezuela? You have Cuba. And don't get me started on all my Cuban friends in Miami who would have no interest going back to Cuba ever again, but they love their Cuban heritage. My people out there, Russia, China, Iran, these are Venezuela's friends. So there's no bueno going on in Venezuela and it's only getting worse. So whatever the bounty is on Maduro, hopefully someone cashes that patriot.

[Pat]

Let's go to the next next article here, folks. Retirement age should be 58 survey respondents said on average, here's what financial advisors recommend CNBC Retirement age should be 58 surveyed Americans In a June 2 in Power Report polling, 1,001 adults said the ideal retirement age should be 58 years old, significantly younger than the 2024 retirement age of 64 for men and 62 for women. With 58% Americans retiring earlier than expected due to health related reasons 46% employment issues 43% family reasons 20% is financial stability 21% Caroline McClellan, a certified financial planner, founder of Life Planning partners in Jackson, Florida, warned that retiring at 858 means looking at 30 or 40 years of not working due to longer life expectancy expectations, advising you may end up coming up short not having money enough if you quit work too early. She emphasized ensuring enough savings. The magic number for comfortable retirement, per an April Northwestern Mutual report, is an average of $1.26 million, down from $1.46 million a previous I don't know how the hell that happens. Yet 51% of respondents feared outliving their savings. No shit, with McLellan McLennan stressing the need to know how much is required to live on during retirement and save accordingly. Adam, thoughts on the story?

[Adam]

I mean, you know how you got mad at Vinnie for calling people stupid? The people who actually believe that they could retire at 58 are stupid. You might want to use other words. Uninformed, naive, misunderstood. You don't understand how much money you need for retirement and really what 58 is. We broke down Social Security the other day about how it was implemented during the New deal under FDR. What was it age? 62. It kicks in 65 is was life expectancy at the time. Life expectancy.

[Pat]

Now if you're the other way, sorry, 65 was 61. Benefits began at 65.

[Adam]

Either way, 58 is such a ridiculous number. It just shows how uninformed and naive a lot of people are about retirement. I told the story about my mom. My mom's 74. I said, mom, you're going to work till you're 80. What else? You don't have any hobbies? I love You. You like hanging out with people. You work at a nurse's office, a hospital. Help the people. More and more people need to find meaning and get passionate about what they do because get ready to work. You know, RuPaul said, you better work.

[Pat]

Work it, girl.

[Adam]

Work it, girl. You guys are going to be working for the next 30, 40, 50 years. In my opinion, retirement age needs to go up, not down. 58 should be flipped to 85.

[Tom]

Well, what's interesting is I looked at the survey a little bit more closely prepping today, and I noticed that it said the thousand one respondents said the age should be 58, meaning they wish they could retire at 58, which is what they were saying in the survey. That's what they're saying. And I'm not interpreting anything other than what was written there. I'm actually not interpreting at all. So retirement age should be 58. Okay, great. What that doesn't point out is purpose. The greatest, and I think this is part of the greatest speech, and it took very little time on retirement, was given by Bobby Bowden. They said, coach Bowden, when are you going to retire? He says, I am in no hurry to retire because that means sitting at home waiting for one big event.

[Pat]

Death.

[Tom]

Exactly. That's what he said. And he said, as long as I have a passion for these kids, I'm going to be here on the sideline.

[Pat]

And so 93 years.

[Adam]

Good old Bobby. That's exactly right, Tom. You would have been retired five years ago according to age 58. That's ridiculous.

[Tom]

I'm not.

[Adam]

No, you're not waiting. Sitting around waiting.

[Tom]

No, no, no. I'm on the Charlie Munger plan.

[Pat]

Kelly found out the other day how old you are. She was shell shocked. She thought you were way older. No, no. She was shell shocked. When we told her how old you are, she couldn't believe it. Vinnie.

[Vinnie]

So. And you. You actually.

[Tom]

Charlie Munger plan.

[Vinnie]

No. Well, you brought this up a while ago, and I've been repeating this over and over while people. And you know Adam's mom. Hi, Mom. She's out there watching. You brought this up.

[Pat]

The.

[Vinnie]

The study that employees who retired at 55 had almost double the risk of death within 10 years compared to those who retired at 65. Specifically, many who retired at 55 died before reaching 65. Then the Oregon State University study, 2016, people retired at 66 had an 11% lower risk of dying early than those who retired early. And then early retirees had a 13% higher risk of death than those who retired early. If you, by the way, the machine has to keep moving. Once you stop and you sit, I don't care if it's a Ferrari, brand new Ferrari, leave it on your lawn for a couple of years and don't drive it, what happens to it?

[Adam]

It's going to.

[Vinnie]

Battery's going to die.

[Pat]

It's so interesting, Tom, when you're saying should be 58, right? Would like it to be 58, but this is what I'm wondering for the people that said it should be 58, well, guess what? If you, Mr. And Mrs. Retiree, if you made the right choices in your 20s instead of smoking weed and partying, if you worked your ass off in your 30s, 40s and 50s and put yourself in a position to retire at 58, guess what? Go at it. But when you say should be, are some of the thousand and one saying that the government should allow me to retire at 58 years old and taxpayers pay for you? No. That's a no. I don't care what age a person chooses to retire. It's your provocative. Do you want to do 42, 58, 79, 98? I don't care. It's your decision. Sitting down with a guy the other day and good friend of mine and it was such an awkward conversation. I said to him, I said, you know what's funny? What's that? He's probably listening to this. I said, you know what's funny? I said, I remember the guy when I first met how you used to work. He says, what do you mean? I said, man, you don't work the way you used to work. You want me to work like as if I'm in my 20s. I'm like, I'm sorry, how old are you? You're similar age to me. You're acting like you're 72 years old. I said, by the way, if you made better choices in your 20s, 30s and early 40s, you could have worked less if you wanted to, but you didn't. So you don't have a lot of options. Yeah, it's not like you have the luxury of not having to work. He put himself in a position that he can wake up anytime he wants. Right. He worked with a company and he can be the $200,000 Uber, you know, no responsibility, no kids, no nothing. I'm just kind of, I don't want a house, I don't want anything. That's a long term payment and I just got a bunch of cash I'm sitting on. Guess what? He can be living the life that he Wants today and no one can tell him anything. Wow.

[Adam]

I'll take it.

[Pat]

You want to nuts. But that doesn't mean people want to work with them. That just means he's put himself.

[Adam]

Why you got to go there?

[Pat]

No, no, but all I'm saying is he's.

[Adam]

You made me feel great about all my decisions. And then you'd be like, everyone hates.

[Pat]

But this is where I'm going. Do you know where I'm not in real life? What I was trying to explain.

[Adam]

Internet is real life.

[Pat]

Trying to explain to this guy, bro, 40 to 60 are your best working years of your life. And you're saying you want me to work like, as if my 20s. No more. Are you out of your. Yes. What do you mean I work more because you screwed up in your 20s. You screwed up some of the money had in your 30s. That's nobody else's fault. It happens. But you got to play offense. I'm working harder than I was in my 20s. And I'm enjoying life. I'm enjoying what I'm doing. I'm not sitting there like. And the difference is some of us have the luxury to stop and never have to work. And we can stop, and my kids don't ever have to work. We made some real good choices. But you think I'm going to have that happen with my kids? No. So the challenge with this number at the 58 thing is if you said it should be 58 and you made the right choices, you should retire at 58. Go ahead. No one can tell you anything. But if you didn't make the right choices and you want the government and taxpayers to lower retirement age from 65 to 58. No, I think we need to increase Social Security to 75 years old. I think we increased the benefits starting at 75 years old. When the plan first came out, for every one person that was getting retired, getting Social Security, 40 people paid for one person retiring today, it's 2.5 per one person, 2.5 per one person. There's a chart that shows what was happening with the amount of people taking benefits. It just went like this. Skyrocketed. Not sustainable. So, no, I'm not with the 58.

[Tom]

Well, you know, there's mathematics and there's longevity. If you're going to be on longevity side, you take away purpose and appreciation, you accelerate deterioration of human beings. And that's the people that retire early. And if they don't have purpose in life and appreciation, those two things keep you going. And guess what? Faith is a tremendous Platform on which to put purpose and appreciation continue. You could retire from your regular job if you made good choices in your 60s. And then you could teach, you can volunteer. But if you don't have purpose and appreciation, you don't get longevity. The other thing is a math problem that you're bringing up, Pat, that the whole nation's got to figure out.

[Pat]

Yeah, you know, it's funny with the story, this leads to the next one, which is it's so funny that people want this are the people that didn't make the right choices. Tax inheritance at 100%. Okay, so it's the only fair choice, says Louis Goodell. Okay, I don't know who this guy is. He's talking about tax. And by the way, this is not just him talking about it. I don't know who this fellow is, but he's a presenter for lbc, co host of News Agent podcast, argues for a radical 100% inheritance tax to address wealth inequality, stating, rob, if you want to play the clip, go for it.

[Adam]

What we've got at the moment is an aristocracy of wealth in this country. It's also true of the United States as well. So what I would do, what I would do. And I wouldn't be opposed to, by the way, I wouldn't be opposed to 100% inheritance tax. Or maybe let's say 99%. You know, my, my rule might be that if you can put it in two pea bags, then you can hand it over. That's fine. 99, 95%. I'm being provocative, but you see what I mean. I would not be against a far.

[Vinnie]

Higher rate of inheritance tax than we.

[Adam]

Have at the moment, which is 40% above a certain threshold. I wouldn't be opposed to putting that to 50%, 60%, 70%.

[Vinnie]

Why?

[Adam]

Because I think the quid pro quo should be twofold. One, that helps fund public services, which actually helps level the playing field in achieving a true meritocracy. Two, it will help us reduce taxes on income because at the end of the day, I want to incentivize work. I want to incentivize productivity. I want to incentivize people to, to get up off their backsides and do more. You don't have a right to inherit what you should have a right to be, to work while you're alive and get.

[Vinnie]

Keep more of your own money.

[Adam]

That, to me, is more important, way more important than your rights to just inherit some money from mommy and daddy that you did nothing to earn.

[Vinnie]

So wait, so wait, so can I Understand this guy correctly.

[Pat]

He's saying, say you have $20 million.

[Vinnie]

And I die and I want to.

[Pat]

Give it to my three kids. He thinks your kids should get zero and 100% of it goes to the government.

[Vinnie]

I hope this guy never, ever gets into.

[Pat]

By the way, he's not alone. There's a lot of liberals like him that imagine that, that believe in this. So, Tom, your thoughts on this 100% inheritance task attacks that. I think Elizabeth Warren and others have also spewed this type of nonsense with inheritance tasks. What do you stand with this?

[Tom]

Well, I'll start with this guy. So it's not fair. Fair for one guy to build a company and build a bunch of jobs for people, and then his kids too inherit that? It's not. It's not fair for one. But in the UK they celebrate the Champions League and only one team wins. It's the best team, and that's 2.7 out of the 36 teams. You see where I'm going, Vinnie? So on one side of life, we celebrate one rising above. On the other side of life, we're jealous of it. Which side do you want? Which side do you want and how do you legit. And you say, well, they worked harder. They're the Champions League. Your team didn't play defense, Your team was lazy. Your team was poorly led. I could say the same thing about citizens. And I love this. I make this analogy for people, and it causes people to kind of back off their argument a little bit. Except the ones that are just basically envious. They're envious. And their justification is what I think is a very weak statement that he made. It's like, and there would be more for public services, they're printing money and you're not getting public services. So you're saying if government gets money from a different source, government suddenly is going to be better at providing public services? No, you're justifying your greed and your envy with, oh, well, public service will be there and everyone will get it. That's so untrue. And this is when you have people who didn't do it. When you have bureaucrats making laws about businesses, that's when businesses get constrained and overregulated. So when you have bureaucrats making laws about. About inheritance, you now take. You be careful about taking away that incentive to accumulate. Be careful.

[Vinnie]

So, Tommy, right now, if top. I had $20 million and I passed away and I have two kids, how much are they? How much is tax going to.

[Adam]

Can I explain this to you?

[Vinnie]

Yeah, go.

[Adam]

I'M going to tell you, this tax thing, I had to learn the, the hard way, so to speak. We get taxed to oblivion in this country. We all know about income tax and federal and state and local, and people are moving out of New York and California. Then you have employment tax, you have payroll tax, you have all, you have mortgage tax, you have gas, you have a car, you have your back tax. But then here's the deal. You pay all these taxes and then you die. And there's something called the estate tax, the death tax. I learned this because every year, with welcome funds, my other company, I would go to this event called the Heckerling Estate Planning Conference. It's put on by the University of Miami. And the entire premise of the conference is all the leading estate planning attorneys, CPAs, all the biggest and the biggest of the biggest tax professionals meet up at this one massive meeting. And the whole premise is, how do we save our clients, our rich, wealthy clients, taxes when they die? They're putting together trust and legacy trusts and life insurance and eyelets, and the whole premise is, let's save that money. When these people die, you get taxed to oblivion. And even when you die and what you have is what's called an exemption. And the Republicans always try to raise it. I think under George W. Bush, Trump, they made it collectively 20 million. I want to say under Obama, he brought it down to 5 million because the Democrats are always looking for more money to basically help pay for things. So they'll tax, tax, tax, tax. Republicans are like, listen, you already paid $100 million of tax of your life. Now you want another 20 million of the death tax. So the whole premise is it's tax to oblivion. And even at your death, the, the tax man's going to say, how much?

[Vinnie]

So how much? Adam, if I want to give my, my, I die and I have 20 million and I want to give it to my kids, how much is the government going to take before they get it?

[Adam]

Well, it depends on what the exemption is. It depends if you're married like that. But right now, the current exemption, ask what the term.

[Vinnie]

Don't say it's 40.

[Adam]

No, no, no. What's Rob Estate tax exemption. I want to say when you're married.

[Pat]

So here's what would happen if you, if you're not, if you're not married, you're single, you got 20 million bucks. The first 14 million, it would be exempt. So you're not paying tax on the first 14, but you would pay on the 6. Say whatever progressive tax the same way they do it, 40% on it. So 40% on the 6 million. You pay $2.4 million. How do you with 2.4 million? So really you're paying 2.4 million on 20 million bucks. Right? But if you have a $100 million, you wouldn't pay anything on the first 14, then you would pay it on the 86. The 86 would still be taxed at 40%. So 40% of 86, you're paying 34 million bucks on the number on money.

[Adam]

You'Ve already been taxed.

[Pat]

So you make the money. So let's just. You make a million dollars in a year, half of it goes towards taxes. You keep the half a million, okay? Then you take that half a million, everything you buy, you're paying taxes on it. You put that half a million dollars, say you start saving it over the years later on on the half a million. So the argument against it is the fact that you're getting taxed on the money you already pay taxes on the money that you spend that was already taxed. Why am I paying more taxes in the states? I think Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders made the argument for 60, 65% estate taxes, period. But this goes back to the following. Why punish the people that made the right choices? Why punish the people that were disciplined with their finances long term? I got a kid over at the house yesterday with this family. You know who these guys are? Soccer. We've spent time with the family. And he starts asking me questions. 11 year old kid, you know, I want to get into the investment field. And I'm thinking about starting to invest now and all this other stuff. And I've shown him numbers. I said, you know, Warren Buffett at 50 years old was worth $50 million and he's worth $200 billion right now. What? Yeah. You know how that happened? How? Compound interest. He's had his money working for him, you know, and he kept growing and growing and growing and growing and growing it. And then eventually he's where he's at right now. But guess what? He's still living in the same house he lived in Nebraska, the $700,000 house. He's still living the same house. He can afford to buy the biggest house in America. He didn't. He played a very different game. Not the most exciting life he lived. He lived a very different life. But the guy's worth a couple hundred billion dollars. But don't punish the person that was disciplined in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, so they can pass that down to their kids. Let them make the decision on what to do it. You're gonna hear some of these thoughts, Tom, were you gonna say something or no?

[Tom]

No. You basically hit it as you were covering those points.

[Pat]

Fantastic.

[Tom]

I'm with you.

[Pat]

Okay, so let's go to the next story here. Snoop Dogg, okay, is going to the movies with his grandson. Okay. It's kind of weird to say Snoop's got grandsons, but he's got. That's what happens when you get older. And he goes to this one movie, I think it's called Lightyear, Whatever. And in the movie, I let him tell you what happens, and he's confused on what happens there. Go ahead, Rob. I took my grandson to see. What was the movie with Buzz Lightweight. Toy Story. Not that one, but. Oh, the new. The new Buzz. The Light Year, I think it's. Kiki Palmer is in that movie. Okay, okay. She plays like the daughter. So we watching it, and the lady, which is Kiki's mama, they move on into the space years. They move down the line. They like. And she had a baby with music.

[Tom]

A woman.

[Pat]

Oh, my grandson in the middle of the movie, like Papa Snoop. How'd she have a baby with a woman? She a woman? Oh, I didn't come in for this.

[Vinnie]

I just came and watched the goddamn movie.

[Pat]

Hey, man, watch the movie. They just said she and she had a baby. They both women's. How does she have a baby? Movie ain't over with. So it's like, it's me. I'm scared to go to the movies, man.

[Adam]

Like, y' all throwing me in the middle of that.

[Pat]

I don't have an answer for, Vinnie.

[Vinnie]

I mean, just when you. And what.

[Pat]

This is a Disney movie like your.

[Vinnie]

Lightyear, Am I right, Rob? Is that just. Just to.

[Pat]

Yeah, it's a Disney fact.

[Vinnie]

Check me. Okay, so just when you thought Disney couldn't make it any worse than you thought that they were going to be changing, they find a freaking way. For the last decade.

[Pat]

Remember, that's a 2022 movie. Yeah, this is 2022 movie.

[Vinnie]

But still, they're still air.

[Pat]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[Vinnie]

It's like my thing is just how much money, how much? And there, by the way, I don't think Disney is changing, changing gears, Pat. I think they're still making stuff like this.

[Pat]

And they're getting rid of this Jacqueline, what's her name, something Kennedy. Kathleen Kennedy that gets her job, her contracts coming up this year or next year, end of 2025, she's stepping away. When Is Kathleen Kennedy stepping away, Rob, do you know the date?

[Tom]

Let me find out.

[Pat]

And is she with Disney? She's with Disney. She's with Lucasfilms, which is Disney.

[Vinnie]

Yeah. And I get it. I get they're changing. I know Bob Iger's there and he's trying to adjust stuff. But, I mean, this is just the point they're making. People, like, even, like, Snoop.

[Pat]

Who?

[Tom]

Snoop.

[Vinnie]

Snoop is anti Trump. I'm pretty sure he's a freaking Democrat. But I don't love that it's happening. But it's good to see, Tom, that, like, for Snoop, for you guys, for it to finally find its way to hit Snoop Dogg, where he has to sit there and explain to a kid, because we talked about it earlier today, to me, that, yo, that's. That's grooming. You're making these kids look like for the kid to ask that and be so confused at that age, that's not by accident. They're doing it on purpose. And we were talking about earlier in the podcast how it's what you teach them, and then once there's a certain goal, then they're gone and they're on their own. But this, to me, Tom, it couldn't stop any. Like, they should go back and get rid of those type of things, because that's what it's doing.

[Pat]

And so, you know, it's funny, is Kathleen Kennedy stepping away end of the year? She's the one responsible for a lot of this woke stuff. She's the one that every movie, lesbian, all the stuff that they need to have. So there's conference calls where a couple of the employees called her out and they got in trouble. But keep in mind, Snoop, when he said he's anti Trump, he was in 2017 when he said stuff about him. But in 2024, in an interview he did, he said, I got nothing but love for Trump. So I think he switched. And he's now a Trump guy. And believe it or not, Snoop's a family guy. He's still with the same girl he was before. You know, he says, one of my biggest strengths is the fact that I'm married to the same woman. He's been with the same wife I don't know how many years. Yeah, there it is. He's got nothing but love for Trump. He ain't done nothing wrong to me, and he has done only great things for me. He pardoned Michael Harris. So this is Snoop. Now, the challenge with this mindset, as you're going through it, is now you're getting Some of the people that generally would have supported that to say, dude, just stop with this ridiculous stuff already. It's too much. Leave us alone. Let us just go to the movies and enjoy ourselves. Nope, they can't help themselves. I think bad ideas have consequences, and they're paying a price. Right now where guys like Snoop are talking about it. Like, when would you have thought Snoop would have said something like this?

[Vinnie]

Never.

[Pat]

He wants to live his life. Tom, your thoughts on this? I know you're a big Snoop guy, so just.

[Adam]

Oh, no, no.

[Tom]

You know what, Lou? So this is. You know, forget that it's Snoop for a minute. When you go to a movie and you just want to sit at a movie and you're watching it with your kids, you don't want to have to decode things. You know, you just want to go to a movie. And that's what Snoop is talking about. You can go to whatever movies or anything like this. But I think if you're doing movies for kids, you know, remember, one person's grooming is another person's. Oh, we're just recognizing society and we're normalizing.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Tom]

So that. That's the two sides of it, and that's the argument you're going to make. The artistic liberal side's going to say, we're just representing everyone. And the other side is going to say, no, you're kind of grooming, and you're kind of, you know, you're trying to normalize it in the mind of my child, which is a grooming act for my child, and you'll say you're just normalizing it for all of society, and all of society is repressed, and that's your argument. And then along comes Snoop. And you know what's funny? You know, you could have all kinds of people here. Hispanic father, very masculine, white father, white mom. You know, guess what? All of a sudden, Snoop, who comes from the artistic side, says something about it, and it gets traction. And guess what do they call him? Do they call him bigoted? Do they call him discriminatory against gays? No, because he comes from their side, and they don't know what to do with this crazy.

[Pat]

You know what's crazy with this, Vinnie, is I think you guys were doing something on Unusual Suspect, and, you know, you guys were talking about Pete Buttigieg, which is very weird. The one thing about black men, they may not say stuff, but numbers speak louder than whatever they say on a podcast or not say on a podcast. Here's Pete Buttigieg. Numbers came out Rob, can you just take. Can you go on ChatGPT, ask the following question. Say, is it true that Pete Buttigieg got no support from black men? Just type this up. And by the way, I'm not talking personal life. I'm talking, like, elections. So did he get no support from black men? Now, I'm not being funny. Maybe he did hang out with a black guy. I don't know. So In June of 2025 poll, 0% support for Black from black voters. This guy's a liberal. They should Support him. A June 2025 Emerson College national poll indicated that 0% of Black respondents said that support Pete Buttigieg for the Democratic nomination. Not just black men, but black voters. Overall, the report stressed this wasn't within a margin of error. It was quite literally zero.

[Vinnie]

The beard, growing a beard.

[Pat]

Can you imagine this? Zero. So I don't know. I mean, you know, specifically amongst black male voters, I don't know if that's their space that they're in. So he's like, just leave me alone. Adam, your thoughts on this?

[Adam]

I mean, when you lose Snoop Dogg, that is a telltale sign you're losing the male vote. Whether it's the black vote, what's the Latino vote, whether it's any type of dude, Snoop represents the average guy that's just like, what the hell is going on here? If you know anything about Snoop, here's a guy that's basically focusing on his money, minding his business. I got my money on my mind, on my mind, on my money, doing his own thing, rolling down the street, sipping on gin and juice, doing nothing but a G thing. And all of a sudden, Buzz Lightyear shows up and you got lesbian couples adopting kids, and he's like, what the hell is going on here? Ten years ago, when Trump was elected, you could probably find the clip. Snoop was like, all you cracker Uncle Tom. He went in on black people. Ten years later, he's at the inauguration.

[Vinnie]

What's up, Trump?

[Adam]

That's my dog. Snoop.

[Pat]

Whoa. Whoa.

[Adam]

Represents the average man who's like, what the hell is going on here in America? When you lose Snoop, you're losing the average man, and Snoop ain't having anymore. Not playing this game.

[Vinnie]

And I just think it's ridiculous. Over since 2019, they've lost Disney $11 billion. And I get it. This was a 2022 movie. But the question is like, like, what was the goal that like. Like, thank God. Thank God people have woken up. And I think Trump played a big part, but what was the goal, Tom pushing that agenda.

[Tom]

Because, Tom, if the goal was simple thing, one man's. One man's normalization is another man's grooming?

[Pat]

I think so.

[Tom]

And they live in the echo chamber of liberal thought. Look at what they. Look at the Academy Awards. Look at the Emmy Awards. What do they used to call it? There used to be an. An acronym for it. Oscar, Emmy, Tony, Grammy, whatever it was. And look at the award shows and look at what they're celebrating. They're celebrating progressive life, and they're bringing all that progressive life into all their artistic expression, which is their music, their cinema, their stage and tv. You know, Oscar, Tony. I mean, that's what they're doing. And to them, they're trying to normalize it. I'm going to take devil's advocate and say, hey, you know what? I'm a gay woman in Hollywood. I'm just trying to normalize my life. I'm not over the top. Remember Norm MacDonald, Saturday Night Live? It was very, very. It was kind of funny. And it was controversial at the time where he held up. He said, well, this week she might finally made it official cover of time magazine. Ellen DeGeneres comes out and says, yes, I'm gay. In a related story, trying to keep up, it says, exercise King. Richard Simmons came out and said, yes, I'm really, really, really, really, really, really, really gay. And so. And everybody was upset with Norm MacDonald. How can you do that? Why are you picking him? I wasn't picking on him. I made an obvious joke because he was so out with everything. So in their echo chamber and they're there. They think they're just presenting normalized people that are part of society. I disagree, but that's where they are.

[Pat]

Here's Stephen A. Smith on Bill Maher when he's asked about it. Go ahead, Rob.

[Tom]

Democratic primary voters, 16% would support Buttigieg.

[Pat]

That's the highest of any candidate. Pete Buttigieg. I don't believe it.

[Adam]

I think that.

[Vinnie]

I think that's just a poll number.

[Pat]

I can't see that happening. Okay, but wait.

[Tom]

16% black voters. Zero. Zero. You don't usually see zero anywhere. Zero's low for who?

[Pat]

What is this for Buttigieg.

[Tom]

Explain that. I mean, why do black voters have this?

[Pat]

I mean, he's a nice guy. Yeah, he's under indexing a little bit with black voters. Yeah, a little. What is that all about?

[Vinnie]

He doesn't move us. I respect the man.

[Pat]

I've interviewed him before.

[Vinnie]

Very nice man, highly intelligent. But you got to be able to Move us, bro. He doesn't move us. You speculate as to why that is. I'm not going there.

[Pat]

He doesn't move us.

[Adam]

He's basically saying the black community isn't voting for gay Cracker Barrel. And it is what it is. How many times did you hear Trump in a rap song? You don't hear Mitt Romney in a rap song. You hear gay Mitt Romney in a rap song. The black community wants to resonate with.

[Pat]

Somebody that's not gay. This is Pete Buttigieg.

[Adam]

I know, but that's a regular Cracker Barrel.

[Vinnie]

It's kind of hard, like, if you can't really say the last, like the. What are the odds that he's a gay guy and the word.

[Adam]

But are you trying to do that? No, I'm just trying to judge his booty.

[Vinnie]

No, I'm not, man.

[Adam]

Don't do that.

[Pat]

By the way, too. For what it's worth, let me tell you this. And I'm. And I'm being as honest as possible, and it's not your fault. I'm not doing that. If Kamala could speak like Pete, she would have had a better chance.

[Vinnie]

I agree.

[Pat]

If Biden would have spoke like Pete. Pete speaks so eloquently. He is so talented and sober most of the time. So talented, the way he speaks. But guess what? America's just not ready for something like that today.

[Adam]

He needs to start using his S's a little more.

[Pat]

He's the alpha. He's the alpha in the relationship. Let me go to this next relationship. Let me tell you guys what the next one. Okay, so the next story I'm going to go to is Mamdani fails at a bench press while trying to show off at a men's day in Brooklyn as Cuomo Adams roast the rival. So watch this. This is Mamdani. I thought he was trying to bench two plates, but no, he's out there. Doing what? He's benching a plate, which is £135.

[Vinnie]

No, that's a 35. That's not a 45. Are you joking? Those are. Look, once Robbie plays it pat and you know, tell me that that's not a 45.

[Pat]

It says 135 pounds.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Pat]

So 135 pounds is a 45 pounds. I don't believe it.

[Vinnie]

I don't believe.

[Pat]

Well, that's a different thing you want to question. I'm just saying that's what it is.

[Tom]

And the bar is 40. Right?

[Pat]

And then, by the way. And the bar is 45 and then Adams goes out there and does the same thing. He says, 64 versus 33. Who knows? Maybe afterwards we'll go do a bench press, all four of us, and we'll even include Rob.

[Vinnie]

Can we.

[Pat]

And it will post it only in the PBD podcast Circle. Some of you guys can just go watch it, you know, for yourself, and just comment on it. But go ahead. Go ahead, Rob. Show us this clip.

[Vinnie]

Look, from the size, Pat, that's not a 45Z.

[Pat]

That's a 45.

[Adam]

No, I think it's.

[Pat]

Look at the thickness. It's 45. Somebody would have pointed out. No one said it's 35 so far. Maybe you're right. I don't know.

[Vinnie]

35. Look, he doesn't even know how to look at. He can't. Like, how do I grab it too close?

[Pat]

He doesn't have the line straight.

[Vinnie]

Oh, that's bad.

[Pat]

Wow. He's never gone to the gym.

[Vinnie]

This is a bad look.

[Pat]

This is like DUIs getting in a tank.

[Vinnie]

Yeah, see? Look, look, look. The guy, the guy curls it. The guy curls it up.

[Pat]

Let me get one more.

[Adam]

Let me get one.

[Vinnie]

Look, look, he's. Look his leg. He can't even do it.

[Tom]

Let me get three.

[Vinnie]

You're not getting three.

[Pat]

Powerful. Do you have Mayor Adams, Rob? Have you seen that one with Mayor Adams gets up and what he does? So he's 63. And how does Cuomo respond to it? Apparently, Andrew also responded to it in a certain way. I, I, I've not seen that one. But he looks like a guy that could probably bench a couple. Yeah, that's not the one. Just go to Mayor Adams right there. Watch this. He says 63 versus 53. He's the one on the left. Why they even touching the ball bar? I know.

[Vinnie]

Get off. You don't got. I'd be like, yo, get off the bar.

[Pat]

So, by the way, go to his account.

[Tom]

He's doing this.

[Pat]

You know how many views that got on his account? How many views? 6.7 million. That's good. He's getting some traction because Adam's not a big Twitter guy. I think he's only got, like 100,000 followers. Go up on his account, Rob. I'm. How many followers he's got? Yeah, 112,000 followers. Go to Mamdani's account.

[Vinnie]

Oh, what would you say? Do you have a ticket?

[Pat]

I'm going to put him at 550. 600. He's exploded. Mamdani's at 600. Exactly. Where's Andrew Cuomo? Andrew Cuomo should be in the millions, but it's not because of today. It's because of where he was at before. If you go to that Andrew Cuomo. Oh, my God, that's terrible. Yeah, that. Just tell. By the way, do you remember when Mike Pence, Vivek, all of these guys were running? How I brought Vivek up when I had him at the office, when I met him at the other place, his.

[Adam]

Twitter was blowing up. It was 10,000 people.

[Pat]

Everybody's plus minus on their Twitter account. The only candidate that lost followers was Mike Pence. No one was even close on the way. Vivek had grown on Twitter followership. So here's a question, Tom. How many times can you bench press £135?

[Tom]

This.

[Pat]

Vinnie, how many times? If we're.

[Vinnie]

And we're going to record this and do this after, we're gonna do.

[Pat]

Right afterwards, we're gonna put on our podcast.

[Adam]

I'm gonna.

[Pat]

How many times can you do it?

[Vinnie]

So. So. And that, by the way, I'm telling you right now, those are 35 pound plates. I'm not. I. I put money on it.

[Pat]

Well, 35, 45, 135.

[Vinnie]

I will do 20 in a row.

[Pat]

Okay.

[Vinnie]

But no spot. No spot.

[Adam]

I haven't done put. What are we doing?

[Vinnie]

Probably more.

[Pat]

£135 bench with no spot.

[Adam]

I'm gonna do one more than Vinnie and 50 more than Tom.

[Pat]

Tom, how many can you do?

[Adam]

One, if he's lucky.

[Pat]

We have to do it.

[Vinnie]

We have to.

[Pat]

I'm gonna do it.

[Adam]

Do you think Tom can do one?

[Pat]

We gonna do?

[Vinnie]

Of course he can.

[Adam]

One.

[Pat]

I don't know.

[Vinnie]

Yes. By the way, you don't believe in Tom.

[Pat]

No, it's not that. Listen.

[Adam]

135. He weighs 135.

[Pat]

Dude, the first day I went into the gym.

[Adam]

It's not a pocket protector.

[Pat]

Do the bar. It's. It's your body. If you're not accustomed to doing it, it could be awkward. But we'll spot Tom and we'll see what Tom will do.

[Vinnie]

You know the strongest? Humberto. Oh, strength. This guy's a freaking machine.

[Pat]

What we are gonna do is.

[Adam]

Guys, I'm just playing with you. Tom's the strongest guy here. Yeah, he's. He's gonna bang out 50 of them.

[Pat]

Yeah, we are. We are definitely gonna. What happened to Rob, by the way? He just.

[Adam]

Rob went to go work out.

[Tom]

He's doing his.

[Pat]

Okay, guys, where did you go? So, Rob, let's. Can you put up the Circle QR code. Put up the circle QR code. Guys, right afterwards, go download the PBD podcast Circle. You'll get all the notes. There's a freemium model to it where you can only see what we're talking about, but you can't comment or do anything. Right afterwards, we're gonna go in our gym in these outfits and we're gonna test to see how much everybody benches.

[Vinnie]

So by the way, you notice how somebody was spotting him? That's a typical socialist. Somebody else is doing all the work and he's taking the credit for it. And by the way, he turned 33 years old yesterday. You know, how strong were we when we were Mamdan? He turned 33 yesterday. And, you know, I realized. What's that saying that Adam says a lot? Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. Well, guess what? That weak guy is about to create some hard times for New York. And it's coming, baby.

[Pat]

Yeah, it's coming.

[Adam]

Eric Adams. If it was a push up contest, he'd win the election. Unfortunately, it is a giveaway contest and he's not going to win.

[Pat]

You're not wrong when it comes down to that. All right, let's go to Vance. Reveals what Putin has conceded in Ukraine peace deal negotiations with Trump. Rob, is that the clip? Okay, go for it.

[Vinnie]

I didn't say they conceded on everything. But what they have conceded is the recognition that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war. They've recognized that they're not going to be able to install a puppet regime in Kiev. That was, of course, a major demand at the beginning. And importantly, they've acknowledged that there is going to be some security guarantee to the territorial integrity of Ukraine again. Have they made every concession? Of course they haven't.

[Pat]

Should they have started the war?

[Vinnie]

Of course they haven't. But we're making progress, Kristen. And what I admire about the president in this moment is he's not asking three and a half years ago. He's not, you know, trying to focus on every nitpicky detail of how this thing started three and a half years ago. He's trying to focus on the nitpicky details of now, of what do the politics parties disagree on, what do they agree on, and how do you build a foundation from one side of that ledger to the other so you can stop the killing?

[Pat]

Tom?

[Tom]

Well, I love J.D. vance and there's a part of this where he absolutely toasted her. What was the, the thing we saw you Know where, Said Rob. A fifth grader could understand it.

[Pat]

Yes.

[Adam]

Yep.

[Pat]

Where exactly is the pressure on Russia.

[Adam]

To do anything if you're not right.

[Vinnie]

Now imposing new sanctions, how do you.

[Pat]

Get them to a place of getting to the table with Zelensky and stopping to drop bombs?

[Vinnie]

But, Kristen, I think that question betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of where we are. The President has applied aggressive economic leverage, for example, the secondary tariffs on India, to try to make it harder for the Russians to get rich from their oil economy. He's tried to make it clear that Russia can be reinvited into the world economy if they stop the killing, but they're going to continue to be isolated if they don't stop the killing. The President has applied more economic pressure to the Russians to stop this war than Biden did in three years. So the idea that we're not doing anything, we're already doing things right now, and this is how negotiation works. You do something, you talk to the parties, you try to see if there's a meeting of minds again. We believe we've already seen some significant concessions from both sides just in the last few weeks. We're going to eventually be successful or we'll hit a brick wall. And if we hit a brick wall, then we're going to continue this process of negotiation, of applying leverage. This is the energetic diplomacy that's going to bring this war to a close.

[Tom]

Tom, have a nice day. I mean, Charlie Kirk came out and says, can you believe that our vice President was having to speak to Kristen Welker like he's talking to a fifth grader? And I agree with that sentiment. You know, she came in just like the media comes in. It's the old phrase about, you know, you walk into the courtroom, you look at the judge, and you can all. In the old days, you could always already tell the judge is staring at you, saying, okay, I'm cooked. Right? This is already over. Might as well not even have my trial. And so you have Christian Walker coming in with the angle, oh, you're so wrong. You could be doing sanctions, doing that. Look at it. All they care about is Trump being wrong. They don't care about the people of Ukraine. They don't care about ending the war. All they care about is Trump being wrong, number one. And number two, they've also got this. It's kind of funny, you have to look at it with sober eyes, Pat, and realize that the Dems have become the party of war and the liberal side has become the party of war. And that's. And to Me, it's like they're not listening to rational thought. I mean, other places in that interview, it was a longer interview, JD Vance pointed out, he says, kristen, at the end of World War I, it ended with a negotiation. At the end of World War II, it ended with a negotiation. All except that was there was the whole Potsdam Conference, Right? All except in the Pacific, after two atomic weapons. First time weapons like that have been used on civilian slash military targets ever. You know, Japan was sitting there on the, on the USS Missouri, sitting there just saying, just what do I got to sign? We got to get out of this. We're done. And so they surrendered everything else. You know, Hitler takes his own life. If you believe that's the way it happened. Mussolini is gutted in the public square in the horrific graphic circumstances. But then, guess what? The us, The Soviets and the Brits get together and negotiate the end of World War II. All the major wars end with negotiations. And that's where we are right now. And we have gotten a major, major thing. Remember, one of the key spark points was Russia. I do not want NATO country on my front lawn, and I do not want that. And the war hawks, Nikki Haley and others wanted that to happen. They wanted to dare the Russians. They wanted to poke them. Well, guess what? So one of the things he didn't want was that. But now you've got Putin saying, look, I understand some security guarantees are going to be part of this. Do you hear what that is? That's Putin saying, yeah, I get it. So if we, if we stop this war, you don't want it to happen again. Security guarantees will be out there with NATO countries and United States. That's a movement for Putin, if exactly what Vance said is correct. But why would Vance say something incorrect like that and jeopardize negotiation? Putin say, wait a minute, what's he saying this on a Sunday news show? I didn't say that. And so I think we're headed in the right direction. And it's our liberal media once again, you know, Trump wrong, Trump bad.

[Adam]

So our friend Kristen Welker interviewed not only J.D. vance, but also Sergei Lavrov. And if you don't know who that guy is, he's been Putin's spokesman for decades. Now, this guy is classically trained kgb. Like, he's running circles around anyone who interviews him. And he kind of gives this, like, air of diplomacy, but when you're not looking, this guy will rip your heart out in an instant. He is the guy that Putin trusts the most. So he and J.D. vance were on Meet the Press this past Sunday. Obviously not on together. Here's what I took away from Sergey Lavrov's interview. Russia's not ending this war anytime soon. We had this conversation. We're a week, 10 days past Putin flying in and doing the whole B2 bomber thing and there's been zero ceasefire since. I said there was a 99% chance that no deal would be reached anytime soon. People looked at me like I was crazy. Nothing's been done. If anything, as soon as the meeting was done, Russia went on attacking Ukraine. This war continues to go on. They firmly believe the Russians that Ukraine is just part of Russia. That's that us is trying to be a mediator here and we'll see what happens. But they want to install a Putin puppet in Ukraine and we'll see what happens with Zelensky. As far as J.D. vance, just a little quick take. J.D. vance is basically the straight Pete Buttigieg. I like J.D. vance. I would vote for J.D. vance. I think he's logical, I think he's pragmatic, I think he's sharp. I think he's a great vice president. But if it comes time for him to run in 2028 as Stephen A. Smith, he doesn't move us. There's not a lot of oomph there. There's not a lot of genesis qua. He don't resonate. Resonate with the people. So we'll see what happens with JD.

[Pat]

He doesn't move who?

[Adam]

The black people, the minorities, the black.

[Pat]

Jewish people with swag.

[Adam]

Exactly. Exactly. People who need to be resonated. Exactly.

[Pat]

Thank you for that.

[Adam]

You know, the white, like Tom would vote for him, but people with swag, I don't know if they're going to vote for J.D. vance. So he is the straight Pete.

[Tom]

I don't know what happens about, you know, we can go back and forth on certain things on the racial stuff. Man, that. You just piss me off when you do that.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Pat]

Tom, that was.

[Vinnie]

This is white on white crime right now.

[Pat]

It is that what's happening. Can we distract it with a. With a quick Lavrev?

[Adam]

You're not.

[Pat]

Rob, play this clip just for the first 45 seconds. Tom just snapped, by the way. Tom, look at me. Keep that mindset before you bench. Yeah, we need that mindset before you. Go ahead, Rob. Go ahead, Rob, Go ahead.

[Vinnie]

Bottom line.

[Pat]

Bottom line, there's no meeting plan. President Putin said clearly that he is ready to meet, provided this meeting is really going to have an agenda, presidential agenda. So that's a big if. There's no meeting planned, Mr. Foreign Minister. That's a big if.

[Vinnie]

You're saying there's no meeting plans right now.

[Pat]

Christian, Christian, I am awfully sorry. You're not listening. There is no meeting planned and I'm not challenging this. But you, you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelensky when the agenda would be ready for a summit, because Zarensky did not ready at all. President Trump suggested after Anchorage several points which we share, and on some of them we agreed to be to show some flexibility. Okay. When President Trump brought those, he said no to everything. To the meeting in Washington. Washington with Zelensky present together with his European sponsors. He clearly indicated it was very clear to everybody that there are several principles which Washington believes must be accepted, including no NATO membership, including the discussion of territorial issues. And Zelensky said no to everything. He even said no to, as I said, to canceling legislation prohibiting the Russian language. How can we meet with a person who is pretending to be a leader? Okay, so there you go. So you're hearing it from him. It was a 58 minute interview. We'll follow up more on this on the next podcast that we're having on Wednesday. Gang, again, if you want to watch the bench press for Tom, I think everybody wants to see Tom. That's really what everybody wants. Of course, right now, if you want to see that, go download Manect circles. Go to the PBD podcast circle. You have tiers. The lowest one is freemium. Just go sign up to be able to see. You can't comment. Come join us. We're about to go see who can bench the most. God bless everybody. Bye bye. Bye bye. You say you'll never join the Navy, that living on a submarine would be too hard. You'd never power a whole ship with nuclear energy, never bring a patient back to life.

[Vinnie]

Or play the national anthem for a sold out crowd.

[Pat]

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[Adam]

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[Vinnie]

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