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Patrick Bet-David
Did you ever think you were made again for me, Adam? What's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one.
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Rob
My son's right.
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Nancy Mace
I think I never said this before.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay, folks, so we got a very interesting podcast here today. Guest gonna join us. She landed already. Believe she'll be here within 45 minutes and she'll join us. She asked a very complicated question from Tim Waltz, the former VP presidential candidate, and Tim Waltz. I mean, you don't ask questions like that from the vp. She asked him. Rob, can you play this clip of Tim Wal just right off the bat? I just want to let you know who the guest is that's going to be here. Maybe you recognize her. Stick around. We're going to hit some stories before we get to that. Go ahead, Rob. So this is the question she asked. Very technical. Go ahead.
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Nancy Mace
Okay. What is a woman?
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Patrick Bet-David
I.
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Nancy Mace
What is a woman? Is the question.
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Patrick Bet-David
I'm. I'm not sure I understand the question here. You can pause it. So, I mean. I mean, look, can you imagine that we're living in a time that a guy that's asked to be the VP can't answer a basic question like that?
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Vinnie
He's a knucklehead. He said he's a knucklehead.
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Patrick Bet-David
He said it.
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Vinnie
He's a knucklehead.
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Patrick Bet-David
So we're going to. We're going to have.
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Tom
I think the word is won't. He won't answer it because he's handcuffed.
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Vinnie
By all of those 10 voters that.
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Tom
He'S beholden holding to.
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Patrick Bet-David
That's a problem. By the way, if you guys are wondering why Adam is not here, some people are saying he's at an insurance conference. Some are saying he's hanging out with apac. Who the hell knows where he's at? But, you know, Adam's out there hanging.
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Tom
Out with his friends and hiding phone numbers.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah. It is what it is. Okay. Yeah. So, Nick, let me cover with you what stories we're going to be going through today. Tucker and Ted Cruz did an incredible podcast. Phenomenal. If you haven't seen it, you got to watch it.
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Tom
UFC 404.
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Patrick Bet-David
Thank you, Tom. It was fantastic. It's awesome. I thought it was great. Both arguments. It was a good fight, but it was respectful from both sides. Both heavyweights, maybe super heavyweights. Actually, no, it is the super heavyweight matchup. It was great. I really enjoyed watching it. I'm glad Tucker was and Ted were willing to have that conversation. We're gonna, we're gonna talk about that because a lot of things was said. He asked some questions about what is the population of Iran. And then, you know, you're, you're taking money from aipac, all these things. We'll cover some of that stuff. But few stories that came out. Iran will never surrender. Israel made a huge mistake, says country Supreme Leader Ayatollah Al Khamenei. He says that, and then at the same time, you see Reza Pahlavi, the exile prince. He's everywhere, stories about him going back to Iran. There's even a video of him in Israel going there with a yarmulke against the wall. So they say when that happens, like you're around the corner of getting the job. So we're going to show that the betting odds. You got to trust Vegas because Vegas doesn't like to lose money. Betting odds. Iran's leader Khamenei is ousted this year, just skyrocketed. So for some of you guys that are gamblers, you may want to watch this one here. We'll get to that here in a minute. Israel, we are hitting Fordeau with or without us. Bunker busters. That story came out. We'll show you that. Trump privately approved attack plans for Iran, but has withheld final order. This is a Wall Street Journal story. Trump says Iran's supreme leader is an easy target, saying, hey, if we want to take you out, we can take you out. Relax. We know exactly where you are. Pump the brakes if you want to negotiate. This is your last chance. That is the position he has. Did you see what Trump said yesterday after Tucker called him? He claims Tucker called him. Did you see that? Yeah. Did you see it or.
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Vinnie
I didn't see the clip.
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Patrick Bet-David
I know they have to show it to you. It's very interesting what he says. Very interesting what he says. I, I think it's important for everybody to see Trump's reaction to this. Trump reveals us, knows. Yeah, we covered that. Former CNN star slammed for vile jokes about Trump's dead ex wife. I mean, you got to realize how nasty you got to get to get to those types of places. Massey, Democrats move to block US Strikes on Iran. That's political. Ilhan Omar claims US turning into one of the worst countries in the world. Listen, leave. I would add another war to it, but I want to be respectful. Leave. There was a famous poet that. I'm trying to remember his name. He had the song called Move, get out the Way. You know what I'm saying? It was Like, I mean, it's French. Yeah, that's what it was.
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Vinnie
Yeah.
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Patrick Bet-David
He's an incredible poet, man. So San Francisco ranked worst run major city in America. Tom's got thoughts on that. US may lose more migrants than its gains for the first time in 50 years. Arnold came out of nowhere on the View, and guess what he defended. He says, you're a guest here to immigrants. You're a guest here. Act like a guest, Be grateful. And the View's like, whoa, this is too much common sense. But it also came from the guy that just three years ago said, screw your freedom. Screw your freedom. So I don't know if it's. Maybe he's having a change of heart. Who knows? Bus family. Big news. They sold the Lakers. The Lakers are officially out. They have new ownership. The ownership they had from 1979, I want to say 46 years ago. They bought it for 64 million. Selling it for. I think they bought it for 64 million, selling it for 10 billion. It's going to be a nice payday. Homebuilder sentiment nears pandemic low as economic uncertainty plagues consumers. JP Morgan diamond Jamie Dimon says flashes ominous warning about economic downturn. Feds hold interest rates steady for fourth time in a row. Tears. Tears on the horizon at CNN as insiders reveal stars who may be cut. And we're talking real stars. Yeah, Tom was a little bit hurt by it. But streaming surpasses combined broadcast and cable viewing for the first time. When you see some of the stuff that's going on there on, on who wants to go into the podcast game. Little interesting what we'll talk about. It's official streaming is now the king of tv. And then we got a few other stories that we'll get into here. R. Kelly, for some of you guys that were wondering. His mind was telling him no, but his body, his body said, you know, a complete different thing. So he is hospitalized after near fatal overdose in prison. Attorney claims it was plot to kill him. Who it was, we don't know at this point. Some are claiming it's Israel. But you know, who knows at this point who it is? There's a. There's a camp that's saying R. Kelly's taking money from Qatar. There's another camp that's saying he's got Israeli money. He's funded by aipac. Who knows. These are claims for some of the people in Twitter. You gotta. But, you know, it's who you look. So much information out there, it's too much. So I don't know if what really matters is, is R. Kelly pro Israel or pro Iran.
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Vinnie
That's a huge.
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Patrick Bet-David
What matters more than anything else that's going on, obviously that matters to me. For some of you that are literal people, that's a joke. Take. Relax. It's gonna be okay. All right, so let me tell you business folks, here's what we got. A guy named Jamie hep text me yesterday. Look, it's so funny. He literally just texted me right now. Jamie, you texted me at 9:22 and I'm talking about you right now. On the podcast. He says, my guys want to know what white shirts you wear. There's a few white shirts I wear. One of them is this valuetainment white shirt. By the way, it hugs you. It feels so good. For business folks, this blue shirt that I got on, we got this in blue, white and black. For business folks that want to put something on and relax, you don't have to worry about the wrinkles. And it's flex yet. It's got silk, it's got the right combination. 25 poly, 29 modal, 4% spandex, 2% silk, 35% tencel lyosol. You're gonna love the way this sits on your body. It's got the Valley Taymo logo at the top. It's got the future looks bright on the bottom and the VT on the sides. But today it's the gentleman's line. Rob, if you want to play the clip for folks to see if you're in business, you want to wear some good gear, here's some items for you right now with VT Merch. Go for it, Rob. Saul in the back. That's a nice Stefano Richie collaboration tie, limited Ed.
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Vinnie
That one's good.
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Patrick Bet-David
The new Valent blue ties, black, blue, white shirt, blue shirt, black shirt. I love that laptop doesn't come with it, but everything else, if you do, just want to make sure we make that clear. These polo shirts have that valuetainment button on it with the VT logo. And I love the fact that people nowadays that are seeing the VT future looks right, they're like, hey, me too. I saw Armin the other day. He posted a video with the valtainment hat and future looks bright hat. I absolutely freaking love it. Go to VT merch.com rob to see what the gentleman's collection is.
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Vinnie
So, people, what do you mean? What about the prince that you've interviewed twice says in his statement, the future looks bright.
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Patrick Bet-David
Gotta love becoming real around the world. But go sport it, represent it, wear it at Work, put it together, get your power tie on. If some of you guys recognize Stefano Richie, you can get those high quality ties as well. But we got different items. That's there on VT merch, vtmerch.com we did not buy a lot of supply of these. These are 50, 48, 96. So it's not something that it's a lot of supply that we picked up. It's just for the business, folks. All right, let's get right into it. Rob, can you do me a favor? Let's start off with Arnold. Arnold is on the View now. You guys got to realize Darnold, you know, he made it at the highest level in Hollywood. He made it at the highest level and not the highest level in politics. The highest level that an immigrant can make in politics, which he became a governor of, now the fourth biggest economy in the world. He's on the View and he's talking about all this other stuff. And Rob, I don't know if we need to go through the whole thing on what he says. He's kind of selling the dream about the story. You can start it at the first 30 seconds and then we'll go to the last minute here. But here's him on the View the moment. There's a lot of logic there. You realize there's hands being put on him. Like, relax, you can't say that. Go ahead, Rob. An immigrant. You're an immigrant in this country. Did you have a visceral reaction to.
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Nancy Mace
What they're doing, what ICE is doing.
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Patrick Bet-David
When you see the videos of it? Well, I tell you, you said that. The immigrant. I'm so proud and happy that I was embraced by the American people like that. I mean, imagine I came over here with the age of 21 with absolutely nothing, and then to create a career like that, you can go to the. No other country. Okay. In no other country can you do that. So he's selling America. Go back 10 seconds before the hand gets on him. Right there. Right, right there. Go for it. That day. So it's really a great, great celebration. This is what this is all about, is to celebrate people becoming Americans and coming to America and, and all that. And so I, I just think the world of the great kind of history that we have with immigrants in America. But the key thing also is at the same time that we got to do things legal. Oh, that is the important thing. They don't like that. Legal. And those people that are doing Sonny's like, what do you mean, America? Watch. They're the foreigners. Watch the hand coming. Look at the right. Smart. Because when you come to America, watch this. You're a guest, and you have to behave like a guest. Like when I go to someone's house and I'm a guest, then I will do everything I can, keep things clean and to make my bed and to do everything that is. Rather than committing a crime of being abusive or something like that. So that doesn't really work in this country. So I think the important thing is when you become an immigrant, to think about, okay, I go to America because I want to use America for the great opportunities that America has in education, in jobs, creating a family, all of those kind of things. Then you have to think about, okay, if I get all of those things from America, then I have to give something back. That's right. You have a responsibility as an immigrant. Yes, you do. Give back. Back to America and to pay back to America and to go and do something for you. Stop right there. That's good. Okay, Vinnie, your thoughts?
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Vinnie
I mean, I just.
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Patrick Bet-David
I.
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Vinnie
First of all, what a mistake on their part. You know, I mean, and. And yes, he has a past. You know, this. I'm not a huge fan. The movies I love, but Arnold, you know, from the. You know, you know, screw your freedom doing all that. And then also, he has a. He has a checkered pass with his housekeeper. All that stuff aside, I didn't have a good, like, sense of him lately. But this is that moment where they interview the wrong person. A guy that came here as a legal immigrant, massive success, okay? And this is real Pat. This is, you know, this is Arnold off the cuff, her trying to stop him. No sugar, no sugarcoating. He shut down this freaking circus, and I absolutely love it. And it's like, if you want to come here, okay, bring something to the table, all right? Contribute. Respect the country, all right? That's not. It's not political. It's just common sense. And I love the fact that they're trying to get him, like, in a gotcha moment to further their crappy view, this agenda. But I'm so happy. These are one of those moments where you're like, okay, I could disagree with the guy, and I don't like the stuff that he said, especially with COVID and the lockdowns and supporting all that stuff. But this is a great moment for him, and I love that he said this.
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Patrick Bet-David
Tom, your thoughts?
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Tom
Well, there's two Arnolds that I've seen over the years. One is true conviction, and the other one is basically acting compliant crowd. And, oh, Screw your freedom. He was being compliant with the crowd. He was being pushed like all the Hollywood people. Hey, we gotta stay with this. This is the talking points. This is what we gotta stay with. And he got compliant. And at some point in time, I'd love to see somebody interview him and say what was going on? Who was in your ear? Who was pushing you there? Because I think he was compliant. What I think I saw right here, this is the same man speaking with true conviction that as a young man, me, in 1984, when I went to a rally at Pierce College and I saw Ronald Reagan speaking on a stump speech, Arnold Schwarzenegger was up there on the dais and said a few things. He had true conviction. So I think we're seeing Arnold many years later, older, but still the fire and true conviction. And I think he's speaking the truth of what he believes. But then there's this other side where, you know, everybody in Hollywood gets compliant, and so they say what they're supposed to.
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Patrick Bet-David
Have you read Total Recall? Have you read his book Total Recall?
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Vinnie
No, I haven't.
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Patrick Bet-David
It's one of my top 10 favorite books of all time.
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Vinnie
Really?
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Patrick Bet-David
Oh, let me tell you, it's a ridiculous book. I mean, I. You know how I judge a book is that I can't wait for a break to go in the bathroom and get away from everybody, to just read or listen to the audio. That's exactly what I got from this book. Yeah, no, it's. It's. It's one of the greatest books I've read. It's incredible. And you know what he talks about? He talks about how he screwed up in his marriage. He talks about what he did with his housekeeper. There is zero. He talks about all the mistakes he made, the properties he bought in Palmdale, the good, the bad, the ugly, the Hollywood, the Joe Weider. It's phenomenal to read it, right? I grew up reading his Mr. Olympia, the bodybuilding book that he had. The bodybuilding Bible. He had the best bodybuilding bible out of all of them that, you know, anybody in the bodybuilding world read it. You went through it the way he would do his workout, the push, pull, all this other stuff, the super sets, the way he would work out his chest. He was always known for having the best chest in the bodybuilding world. Won seven Mr. Olympias. Here's the only thing the. The part. He is one of the most fierce competitors of all time. If you watch Pumping Iron, when he went after Lou Ferrigno, and he's saying, I'm Always coming, all this. Yeah, he's an icon in what he did up until Covid, when he had that mistake right there. And he went after Trump and he said, screw your freedom. And for a moment, he forgot. He lost perspective. And, you know, when sometimes you. You are, you know, you are so out of touch with making money that you think you're above people, that you can't stop and have a conversation with them. And do you realize who I am? It was one of those moments like, you know, who do you think you are? Go get the vaccine with you, Put the mask on who you know, screw your freedom. And then he lost a lot of people.
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Vinnie
I'm one of them.
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Patrick Bet-David
I went to Santa Monica Community College. He went to Santa Monica Community College. Like, I wanted to be a Mr. Olympia. I went to Mr. Olympia. I wanted to go compete, be Hollywood, you know, Mary Kennedy, BA Governor, all that stuff. And then all of a sudden, you see things shift. However, bringing it to where he's at today, he said a couple other things and a couple other podcasts. Of course, it's tough when he followed Trump and he tried to get Prentice to go, and Trump kept taking shots when Arnold was doing Apprentice, and it failed. First of all, you never, ever go and replace a show that's been number one for 15 years and think you're going to. There is nothing you can do better than what that person did. That's a big mistake that you made. I don't even know why your management allowed you to do that. If I was your manager and somebody said, pat, I'm getting the offer to take over Apprentice, don't do it. It's a career mistake. He's going to attack you. The moment one few people watch it, he's going to come for your throat. Because no one's more competitive in that space than Donald Trump. He should have gone and done a different kind of a. What do you call it? Done a different kind of a reality TV show, working with immigrants. He could have done different things, but he chose to go that route. And there's a level of bitterness of the comparison between him and Trump, because this guy won in Hollywood, Trump won in media. This guy won in business somewhat. He's a half a billion dollar guy. Trump is a billionaire. This guy won in politics, became a governor. Trump became a president. So he is one of those trifectas. We only have a few trifectas out there. He's one of the trifectas. You got to give him credit for it. And if I have to isolate this One moment that he had with the View, I thought he did a great job and brought some common sense into people.
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Vinnie
So you want to move on, Pat, but did you hear what Whoopi Goldberg said yesterday?
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, I did.
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Vinnie
So Whoopi Goldberg said Iran, that black people in America have it just as bad as folks in Iran. Like, like, you know, I think, honestly, I think it's a competition that she has with herself. She's like, I'm going to say something dumber and more and ignorant than I said yesterday. It's like, what the hell is she talking. She's in an air conditioned ABC studio flapping her freaking gums with a bunch of other morons all day and a gated house.
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Tom
Where?
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Vinnie
Where?
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, where?
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Vinnie
In Beverly Hills, probably. And then she's comparing it to women in Iran who get beaten to death for showing their hair because their hat is wrong and gay people getting thrown off of buildings. I am sick and tired of Whoopi Goldberg. I mean, Rob, this is a long clip of it, but. And, and the audience clapping, like, what are you clapping about? I'm tired of the victim shit. It drives me crazy, bro.
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Nancy Mace
And it's slow. But let's just remember too, the Iranians.
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Tom
Literally throw gay people off of buildings.
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Patrick Bet-David
They don't hear the basic human rights.
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Nancy Mace
Listen, here's the thing. Let's not, let's not do that. Let's not do that. Because if we start with that, we have. We have been known in this country.
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Patrick Bet-David
To tie gay folks to the car.
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Nancy Mace
Where the Iranian regime is. 20 is nothing compared to keep hanging black people. So it is not even the same.
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Patrick Bet-David
I couldn't sell.
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Nancy Mace
That's not what you mean to say.
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Vinnie
It is the same.
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Patrick Bet-David
No, it's not.
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Nancy Mace
The year 2025, the United States is nothing. Like, if I step foot wearing this.
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Patrick Bet-David
Young.
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Nancy Mace
I can't have my hair showing. I can't wear a skirt, I can't have my arms. I'm telling you, you can't get raped.
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Tom
I literally said it was up to the Iranian people.
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Nancy Mace
It is up to.
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Patrick Bet-David
And that's why I am saying.
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Vinnie
Oh, God.
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Tom
That it is the same.
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Vinnie
It's the same.
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Nancy Mace
Murdering someone for their difference is not good.
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Vinnie
Whoever does.
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Nancy Mace
It's not.
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Vinnie
That's an applause break.
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Nancy Mace
So that's why I said you. You weren't saying what you.
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Patrick Bet-David
What I heard was not what you meant.
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Nancy Mace
I. Yeah, I think it's very different.
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Tom
To live in the United States in.
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Nancy Mace
2025 than it is to live in a rock. Not if you're black.
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Vinnie
Not if you're black.
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Nancy Mace
Not if you're black.
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Patrick Bet-David
Are you.
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Vinnie
What is she talking about?
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Patrick Bet-David
She is the main host of the.
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Nancy Mace
Show about being in this country.
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Patrick Bet-David
This is the greatest country in the world. But.
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Nancy Mace
Yeah, I know that. I know that.
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Vinnie
Yeah.
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Nancy Mace
And we all know that.
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Patrick Bet-David
But every day we are worried.
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Nancy Mace
Do we have to be worried about our kids? Are our kids going to get shot because they're running through somebody's neighborhood? These are. They are not big deals.
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Patrick Bet-David
And I. I don't mean to say.
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Nancy Mace
They'Re not big deals and they are not doing well there.
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Patrick Bet-David
Unbelievable.
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Vinnie
Multi millionaire saying that. That. That's a problem in America. What a. What a. What a. Oh, God.
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Patrick Bet-David
By the way, this is why the show. Her Take is gonna whoop on these guys. I can't wait for moment. Wait till 27, 28 guys. When 20, 20, 27, 2028 comes. You know how many people tagged me yesterday on video saying, you know, this is. Pat needs to fire Adam. This is why they're a pro Zionist. Patrick takes money from Israel and all this other stuff. And guess what happened? You know who at the same time was representing a show on us? Anna Kasparian. Do you realize how many places you can have some? There couldn't be two people more on opposite sides that we are comfortable having on a show called Her Take so people can have a debate. And it was a fiery debate. Adam went on there, and, you know, him and I had a conversation about one of the things that he did that an article was just written about. But out of all the things that happened with the show, the fight was one of the best fights ever. We like entertaining opposing ideas. It was such a great. I can't wait for her take in 2028 to have the kind of voice where ladies around the world are saying, finally a. A show that speaks on my behalf. And it's four or five different voices. I'm excited about that. But when you watch Whoopi, this language of victimhood mentality, like, Whoopi, you don't think this is getting old? Like, you don't think this is getting old of always, like, oh, my God. But you don't understand what it is. If you're black, you don't understand. That is. What's the other girl's name that was making the argument?
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Vinnie
What is the other.
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Patrick Bet-David
What is her name?
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Vinnie
Her last name? It sounds Middle Eastern, right?
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Patrick Bet-David
Is she Persian?
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Vinnie
Farah. The View.
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Patrick Bet-David
Where is she from?
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Vinnie
Alyssa Farah?
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Patrick Bet-David
No, I don't think political.
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Vinnie
Maybe she's married to a guy.
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Patrick Bet-David
No, early born in Los Angeles, but I don't know if she's Persian.
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Vinnie
Where her parents from, Robbie? Oh, well, that, that guy looks like an uncle.
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Tom
That's her dad.
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Patrick Bet-David
That's her dad from. Though he was far right. Yeah. I don't know.
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Vinnie
He's on Patterson, New Jersey. Where is he? Yeah, why the.
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Patrick Bet-David
Anyways, I don't know where he's at, but that mustache is a legit Middle Eastern.
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Vinnie
That's a Christian. Strong, fat all.
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Patrick Bet-David
That's a strong. Go back to that. I just want to see one more time.
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Vinnie
Let's get in there. Look at that, Chuck. That's a freaking Tom Selleck, homie.
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Patrick Bet-David
Legit. You can hide money in there, by the way. So. No, but listen, when I, when I hear that language of victim, you know, victim and mentality, it just gets super, super old to keep hearing things like that, Tom. Economy. Okay, let's go into economy with some of the stories that we got here on business. Let me see which one I want to go to. Let's go to this one first. I'm going to go to this one first. Fed holds interest rates steady for fourth time in a row. Some were saying maybe we get a quarter, maybe we don't get a quarter. You even said possibly, but you were more leaning towards nothing's going to happen. And nothing happened. As usual, Tom is right on these types of issues. That's coming up. This is Jerome Powell getting up there to give the announcement that nobody wants to hear. But I think he's doing the right thing. Go ahead, Rob.
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Vinnie
It's quiet in there.
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Patrick Bet-David
It's like a library.
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Vinnie
He's a librarian.
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Patrick Bet-David
Good afternoon. Hello.
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Tom
My colleagues and I remain squarely focused on achieving our dual mandate goals of maximum employment and stable prices for the.
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Patrick Bet-David
Benefit of the American weight.
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Tom
Despite elevated, the economy is in a solid position.
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Patrick Bet-David
Oh, my God.
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Tom
Unemployment rate remains low and the labor market is at or near maximum employment. Inflation has come down a great deal, but has been running somewhat above our 2% longer run objective in support of our goals. Today, the Federal Open Market Committee decided to leave our policy interest rate unchanged.
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Patrick Bet-David
You can pause it. Right.
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Tom
And that's it.
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Patrick Bet-David
By the way, it took three seconds for us to note that he's not changing anything. Tom, thoughts? What's going on here?
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Tom
So here's what's going on with the Fed, and I hate to say it this way, they don't have enough stats that are bad enough. And he just said we're at near full employment.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah.
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Tom
We're only at 4.12 to 4.5, depending how you measure unemployment. That's low, means a lot of people there. And you've got housing isn't moving. And so we need the interest rate to move housing. But do, does the stock market need the interest rate right now? Well, would companies take advantage of lower interest rates and go and go get loans for factories and machines and all that stuff and property? Sure they would. But do you need to do it right now? Look, there's part of me that says I wish he would have done it because I think that will stay ahead of what's going on in housing and because housing's got a tough moment right now and I really think housing needs that. But if you look at the Fed dot plot up here, and the Fed dot plot is all the Fed Board of Governors saying where they believe it's going to go. So they're allowed, Pat, to anonymously vote in a dot pot. This is all the Fed Board of Governors. And you can see the projection is one half of a percent below where we are now. So for year end, they're thinking two quarter point cuts. And that's what the Wall Street Journal, this chart comes from there is saying. And they're saying it's a 25 chance. The dot plot says the cut comes in July and a 65 chance that the cut comes in September. September, back to school, end of third quarter. So what's going on right now is the Fed is letting the economy settle. But there's something that was in there that he said deeper into his bedtime reading, because if you listen to him speak about this, you can fall asleep.
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Vinnie
I almost did.
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Tom
And did you notice that very few people cover the Fed? There's like nine media people in there. And you can hear. They don't make a lot of noise. But he says we haven't been able to feel like we've learned a great deal yet and we haven't been through a situation like this. And I have to be humble here it is, Pat. Be humble about our ability to forecast it, which we don't have. So we need to see actual data. So what he's saying is, I'm not putting a streetlight at the intersection. I'm going to wait till there's a crash. Now I have data and then I'll put a street light at the intersection. That's what the Fed is saying right now. And the housing market needs some help. I reached out to Bill Pulte, who's in the President's administration, and he's pointing out as he has in lockstep with the President. We need interest rates to come down, and we've done our job on inflation. Inflation is down, employment is there. So why not give a quarter point cut ahead of maybe any slowing of the economy or anything coming in the second half? So I, I agree with Bill on that. And so I wish we could have had a cut, but I understand why we did it.
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Patrick Bet-David
I'm okay with it. Is this, Is this what Trump said.
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Vinnie
About Powell and how he feels about it?
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Patrick Bet-David
I know he's probably going to be happy about it.
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Vinnie
You're going to like it. You're like.
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Tom
And I think this was also. He was asked about.
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Patrick Bet-David
Tom, I can't hear it. Go ahead, Rob. Go back. Go for it.
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Vinnie
Can't hear it.
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Patrick Bet-David
I can't hear.
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Rob
Now. We have a man that just refuses to lower the Fed rate, Just refuses to do it. And he's not a smart person. I don't even think he's that political. I think he hates me. But that's okay, you know, he should. He should. I call him every name in the book, trying to get him to do something. I've been nice to him. I do it always. I don't know how to sell. I've been so nice to him. Fellas, you wouldn't. Let's have dinner. Too late. I'd call him. Too late. Come on. Too late. Let's have dinner. I do it every way in the book. I'm nasty, I'm nice. Nothing works. Stupid person.
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Vinnie
But, hey, he could. Trump is the only one that can praise you and on you in the same sentence. He's like, he's a good guy and I hate his guts.
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Patrick Bet-David
And I'm telling you, I'm telling you, Trump is not wrong. Trust me, Trump is not wrong. But I'm okay with one more month. We wait. I'm okay.
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Vinnie
But you think it will change in a month?
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, yeah, give it a month. Oh, for sure. It will. For sure. It will for sure. In the next 60 to 90 days. They're lowering the rates. For sure. They're doing that. And right now, you know, I think they needed this good news because they need some kind of good news to be given. This was desperately needed. The market needed it, his administration needed it. There's. It could have been a good, positive distraction, that they needed it. But Powell is Powell, you know, Powell is the guy that is not motivated about a lot of different things. By the way, what did Powell do before? What, what company was he? What was his career before? Rob, can you pull Up Jerome Powell. Like, what was Jerome Powell's first job? Like what? I actually want to know this guy's background. Jerome Powell, what did he do before? So, D.C. princeton, George Washington lawyer working on 35 switch investment back in the mid-80s. And who was he with? Investment banking, Carlisle Group. So he worked with Rubenstein. Okay. Because we had him on the podcast. Rubenstein was on the podcast. He. He runs a very good podcast. 1990, Powell briefly served down finance. George Bush. Powell left Carlyle Group in 05, founded Severn Capital Partners, a private investment firm. He was a visiting scholar and bipartisan. Okay, so he's got the background. He became a Federal Reserve Board of Governors after being nominated by the post of President Obama in 2012. He was subsequently elevated to chairman by President Trump, succeeding Jan at the end of renominator position by Joe Biden. Powell built his reputation Washington, D.C. during Obama administration as a consensus builder and problem solver. Okay, all right, so let's see what happens here. But I'm telling you, I'm very comfortable with it and I know why President Trump would not be happy about it. I wouldn't be either if I was the president, but I don't think it's a bad thing. But with that being said, we have a special guest in the house that asks technical questions. I don't know why she does it. If we can please bring her in here. Nancy, are you here? Nancy, how are you? Come on in. You are right here. Let me stand up and welcome you. Great to meet you, Nancy. Hi. Good morning.
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Vinnie
Hi. Good morning, sir.
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Tom
How are you?
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Nancy Mace
Good morning.
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Tom
Nice to meet you.
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Patrick Bet-David
Epsona, how are you?
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Nancy Mace
I'm good.
- [30:03]
Patrick Bet-David
Great to meet you.
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Nancy Mace
Pleasure to meet you.
- [30:06]
Patrick Bet-David
Pleasure to meet you. This is Vinnie.
- [30:07]
Vinnie
Very nice to meet you.
- [30:08]
Patrick Bet-David
He's the troublemaker here, so I thought.
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Nancy Mace
I was the trouble.
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Patrick Bet-David
I'm sorry. Well, no, we know you are. We know you are, but it's great to have you. So I. I got a. I got a question for you. You know, we watch you to see, you know, how much ruckus and chaos you create sometimes. Why do you ask such a technical question from, you know, the former VP candidate Tim Waltz? I want to start off with this, if you don't mind, because this is an. I mean, you know, you can ask some subtle questions, but, Rob, if you can play this, the audience is deeply concerned about your question. Go ahead, Rob.
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Nancy Mace
What is a woman?
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Patrick Bet-David
I.
- [30:45]
Nancy Mace
What is a woman is the question.
- [30:47]
Patrick Bet-David
I'm not sure I understand the question here that. What do you. What do you want me to Say, this is.
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Nancy Mace
I want you to say that a woman like me is an adult human female. That men can't be become women. You guys are the party of violence, and you're the party erasing women. You don't respect us. You're a bigot. You're a misogynist. You're a sexist. Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
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Tom
You know, I was trying to listen carefully, and I had played it back a couple times, but you sounded upset.
- [31:20]
Patrick Bet-David
What happened?
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Nancy Mace
If I sounded pissed off, it's because I was. No, it's just like, I just. He just ended his presidential career. I mean, there is no 2028 for Tim Walls. I buried him that day. Now you have all these wit. See these people that come to these big committees before Congress, they testify under oath. It's very, very public. And they spend millions of dollars, millions of dollars to prepare for these hearings. For the toughest questions. What they're not ready for are for the dumbest questions, the most simple, most common sense questions. And so this is just a thing I've taken up on. I just asked Democrats, and they come before me, what's a woman? And they just cannot answer question.
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Patrick Bet-David
Who. Have you noticed that is actually willing to be reasonable and give the answer?
- [32:04]
Nancy Mace
Nobody.
- [32:04]
Patrick Bet-David
Are you serious?
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Nancy Mace
I'm dead serious. And so he sat there and I was like, are you effing kidding me? Like, he just. Deer in a headlights. You were a heartbeat away from becoming the Vice President of the United States of America. And you can't define a woman. And if you can't define a woman, then you definitely can't define our rights as women. You definitely can't protect us as women. You can't protect our daughters. You can't protect me. I have no faith or confidence in you. And so for me, like, looking forward to 2028 and the next what's post Trump, which I think is gonna continue to be maga, but, like, the common sense that Trump brings to the table, we are shown casing these people for being crazy. But here's this guy. I emasculated him so badly over the question. He's like, what do you want me to say?
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Patrick Bet-David
Did he talk to you afterwards? Like, was there a moment where you guys talked afterwards or.
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Nancy Mace
No, no, no. I mean. I mean, I embarrassed him. Was there, you know, like, he got completely emasculated. Something I enjoy doing, by the way. I'll try not to do it here today.
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Patrick Bet-David
You enjoy doing that?
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Nancy Mace
I love it. Yeah, I just. Because they're just. They're not ready for the common sense question. They're not ready for the simple questions. And when he just sat there when he had no answer, and then he didn't understand the question, and then he said, what do you want me to say? And I'm like, oh, my God, you're never gonna be president. You will not be running in 2028. You're done.
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Patrick Bet-David
Well, I don't know whether, you know, it was because of that question or not, if he would ever be president, because the way he handled himself in the debate with JD Vance, that was one of the. That's probably the worst debate performance I've ever seen, aside from Joe Biden's debate with the president, the first one where within the first 30 seconds you're like, this is not good.
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Vinnie
Remember, he said he was uncle.
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Patrick Bet-David
No, no, I'm not even talking about Tim Waltz. I'm talking about Joe Biden against Trump. The first disturbing to watch it.
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Tom
So the summer.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah. So, Nancy, question for you. High school. Who were you in high school? Were you always feisty? Were you always like this?
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Nancy Mace
I. I would say I was a pretty normal. A normal kid. I mean, I struggled with things. Like I failed biology one time, but I actually, I dropped out of high school. So I, I. When I was a junior, my third year, I dropped out of high school. My dad's a retired general. My mom was my. One of my school teachers at my high school. And they said, if you're gonna stop going to school, you gotta start going to work. So I picked up a job as a waitress at a Waffle House on the side of the interstate back in 1995. That's where I got my start.
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Patrick Bet-David
This is in Carolina.
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Nancy Mace
South Carolina.
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Patrick Bet-David
Wow. I lived in Columbia for nine months. When I was at Fort Jackson, I.
- [34:38]
Nancy Mace
Was gonna say, what were you there for?
- [34:38]
Patrick Bet-David
First time I went to Waffle House was in South Carolina. They hadn't seen people who look like me in South Carolina.
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Nancy Mace
That's okay. Yeah. They serve everybody and it's the best cup of coffee you can get for two bucks.
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Tom
Bucks.
- [34:49]
Patrick Bet-David
Yeah.
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Nancy Mace
There was no inflation at Waffle House.
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Patrick Bet-David
Oh, we went hundreds. So Waffle House. So. So General. Did dad teach the toughness when you're raised by a general? Do I. The visualization of a father like that is everything's organized, top notch, high pressure, high expectations.
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Nancy Mace
I would say he was tough as nails, and that's that. I probably where I get my attitude from and my. Just don't give a. You know what. But when I, I eventually would get my high school Diploma, I would go to the Citadel. That place toughened me up. I mean, when you're getting a face full of mud and they're telling you to do 100 push ups more, I mean, you just don't care if you have friends in Washington or not. When you're sitting in the barber's chair and they're cutting your hair to where you have, like an inch on top getting screamed at and everything, you just, there's, you know, nothing else to lose. Like, that's what has hardened me for Congress, because Congress is not for the weary. If you want to be effective running for office these days, you might get shot. So it's a very sort of very violent environment right now. And I mean, people always throwing phones in your faces, recording you, cursing you out, yelling at you a lot of times. And so it's. There's. When you have very powerful people who've come after you. Come after me, spending millions of dollars to try to get me unelected, and I win by record numbers. You gotta be tough for that to be able to do that.
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Patrick Bet-David
When are you planning on being a little bit more competitive? You know, like, when do you think that fire is gonna. We've been waiting for.
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Nancy Mace
You've been waiting for. I was born. I came out of the womb breathing fire.
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Patrick Bet-David
I kind of see it. I. I believe it. So let's go to this other one you had. You had a clip here because there, there is the Nancy Ma. You know, the greatest, the greatest hits. Rob, there's one where, you know, you. You wanted to say this word over and over and over and over again. Watch this one here. Just a beautiful setting here, folks. Watch this. Go forward.
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Tom
The gentlelady has used a phrase that is considered a slur in the LGBTQ community and the transgender community. And let me please finish without interruption.
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Nancy Mace
And tranny, tranny, tranny. I don't really care. You want penises in women's bathrooms, and I'm not going to have it.
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Tom
Okay?
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Nancy Mace
No.
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Tom
Thank you, Chairman.
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Patrick Bet-David
Let the gentleman state his parliamentary inquiry. How does a basic common sense issue like this, how do they keep fighting this? Like, don't they really realize most of America, including Democrats, are not for this? But they keep pushing it.
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Nancy Mace
They're doubling, they're tripling down for one half of 1%, which, if you just read yesterday, the Democrat National Committee is broke and they are losing donors left and right. And I think it's because they are doubling down on issues that average people, average Americans, average Democrats don't agree with. I don't know anyone in their right mind that would allow a, well, fully intacted male to undress next to their 12 year old daughter in a locker room or shower next to her. That is just not a normal thing. And that's what the tranny movement, that's what this has become. It's like grooming. It's sexual, it's a fetish. And they are the party of violence and they're party of pedophiles, the party of grooming and all those things. And it's now mainstream and it's, you know, I'm a girl mom and I'm a woman and you know, I'm very supportive. I voted for gay marriage and I would do it again. I believe in freedom. Like as a Republican, as a conservative, the government shouldn't tell you who to marry. Right? I don't want them in your boardroom or in your bedroom. That's the libertarian in me. But now this thing has gotten so far, you know, our rights are being erased. Women's rights, I think gay rights too. The trainees have taken over. And for what? Your mental illness? Like, I'm not participating in your mental health crisis. Go talk to a therapist and don't find yourself in my private space because you're gonna be quickly escorted or dragged on out.
- [38:37]
Patrick Bet-David
In the world of the world you're in Congress. Like, you know, when you're in financial services, you're selling. You use your charm, your charisma, your looks, whatever you have, you use to try to get things done right. How often is it folks on the opposite side that disagree with you are super flirtatious with you? How often is it when there's policies going on and they come back and they try to where you're able to win them over with looks with charming charisma? How often does that happen?
- [39:03]
Nancy Mace
Not often. I mean, it happens occasionally, but not often. I mean, we are like, we are dug, we've dug our heels in. It's very partisan right now. It's more partisan than it's ever been. And you know, I've done a lot of nonpartisan stuff, particularly like technology and cybersecurity and everything where I get all Democrats and all Republicans to vote for it. But I've never seen it the way that it is right now. I mean, it's the four years. I mean, it's gotten worse even in the four years. Yeah, I mean, Jasmine Crockett, wow, like that lady. That woman's off the rails.
- [39:34]
Patrick Bet-David
You guys don't hang out on the weekends?
- [39:36]
Nancy Mace
Oh, hell, No. I mean, no, that. No, that would not be a good situation. We'll just put it that way.
- [39:42]
Patrick Bet-David
You guys. Yeah, you guys run into each other. When you do, is there any conversation I would hear?
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Nancy Mace
I mean, I. When I first came in, I tried to give people the benefit of the doubt and talk to them, but they've just gone so far off the rails. I won't have a conversation with aoc, I won't talk to you, to Rashida Tlaib. I won't talk to Jasmine Crockett, and I will not be friends unless she can get her shit together and be a normal human. The last time I really heard from her in a hearing, she was telling me as a rape survivor that my fear was fake, that I shouldn't have fear of men in private spaces as a rape survivor. And I lost my shit. And I told her we would take it outside. That's how angry it made me. So I have very little patience for any kind of BS right now. Just none. Zero. Because our country is on the brink. Think precipice really have gone one direction or the other. And I'm following Donald Trump to the end of the earth to make sure we get back to where our country used to be.
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Patrick Bet-David
What clip is this, Rob that you got?
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Nancy Mace
Oh, that's. That one.
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Patrick Bet-David
That is. Let's see, this one.
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Nancy Mace
Are struggling right now.
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Patrick Bet-David
So she gonna keep saying trans, trans, trans. So that people will feel threatened and.
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Vinnie
Child, listen, I want y' all.
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Nancy Mace
I am no child. Not call me a child. I am no child. I want to find out. I am a grown woman.
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Patrick Bet-David
Which of those females.
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Nancy Mace
You will not do. I am reclaiming my time. You want to take it outside? Mr. Chairman and Committee is not.
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Tom
Oh, I love it.
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Vinnie
Oh, I love it.
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Tom
No kidding.
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Vinnie
And they all lost their minds. They're like, what is she threatening of sitting member?
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Tom
It's like it's a broken playbook that does that. The consequence at the end of the playbook is increased lunacy and partisanship. Because the playbook is simple from the Democrat side. Step one, find a victim or invent one step to be seen as the voice of the victim. And then try to win the empathy voters of everybody that says, look how noble those Democrats are, what they're doing for this victim. But they're inventing a victim. And then what they have to do is, once you've invented the victim, you have to actually construct something of an argument that gets more loony the deeper you go into victims that aren't victims in what you've Invented to the point where you look and then cnn. You see Harry Anton on cnn, he reads all the stats. He even says, he says, look on Hispanics have gone this way and the African Americans have gone this way. They're losing their grip on yesterday's victims. So they have to invent tomorrow's victims. And then you have to go with down home language like that and be actually not very, you know, she didn't look very mature. Crockett does to just make an elegant point in the halls of the legislature. And so it looks more loony. And guess what? What then tomorrow, now we got to find a different victim and we got to even go weirder and we go wild.
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Nancy Mace
Let's add one more step to that. Because now in the last two weeks, it's get arrested and get elected. That's what they're doing. That's what Democrats are doing.
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Tom
We'll be seen as the voice of the victim. And now get arrested.
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Nancy Mace
People get arrested and get out of jail free card and that'll get them elected. I think this is a failing plan. People see it, it's crazy. They're lunatics, Tommy.
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Patrick Bet-David
So just to make sure we get on the record, you're saying you're not going to support jasmine crockett in 2028. That's what you're saying? I just want to make sure he does.
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Tom
You know, I, I'm at 22.6% and dropping by the minute.
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Patrick Bet-David
Right, okay, got it. So I want to read your story with Ilhan Omar.
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Tom
I'm sorry, so that was negative 22.
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Patrick Bet-David
So we got. So we got Ilhan Omar, who is, you know, somebody you hang out with a lot in the building.
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Nancy Mace
Her office is next door to mine.
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Patrick Bet-David
Is it literally? Is it literally? So you guys see each other regularly?
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Nancy Mace
I walk by it every day when I'm up there.
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Patrick Bet-David
Wow. So ILHAN Omar claims U.S. is turning into one of the worst countries in the world. I don't know if you heard about this or not. So far left Representative Ilhan Omar stated in an interview on Democracy Now YouTube page published Friday. I mean, I grew up in a dictatorship and I don't even remember ever witnessing anything like that. To have a democracy, beacon of hope for the world to now be turned into one of the, you know, one of the worst countries where the military are now in the streets without any regard to the people's constitutional rights. So this is, Is this the clip, Rob?
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Tom
Yes, sir.
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Patrick Bet-David
Go ahead and play the clip on what she's talking about to be coming.
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Vinnie
Out of Our country.
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Patrick Bet-David
I mean I grew up in a.
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Nancy Mace
Dictatorship and I don't even remember ever witnessing anything like that. To have a democracy, a peacon of hope for the world to now be.
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Vinnie
Turned into one of the, you know.
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Patrick Bet-David
One of the worst countries where the.
- [44:15]
Vinnie
Military are in our streets without any regard for people's constitutional rights while our.
- [44:22]
Nancy Mace
President and is spending millions of dollars.
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Patrick Bet-David
Prompting himself up like a failed dictator with a military parade.
- [44:32]
Nancy Mace
It is really shocking and it should.
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Patrick Bet-David
Be a wake up call for all.
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Nancy Mace
Americans to say this is not the.
- [44:39]
Patrick Bet-David
Country we, we were born in.
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Vinnie
This is not the country we believe in.
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Nancy Mace
This is not the country our founding fathers imagined.
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Patrick Bet-David
And this is not the country that is supported by our constitution, our ideals, our values. And we should pause it right? There should be a limit for so but what do you think about what she just said?
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Nancy Mace
Well, I mean this isn't the country she was born in, as my first thought, because you just talked about that. But one, she's saying, she's saying she hates the fact. It's the fact. But she's saying she hates the military. So to our men and women in uniform, number one, I want to say that's just un American. We support our military. The parade was one of the greatest things I've seen in my lifetime. But quite frankly, I'm fine with putting on our one way flight back to Somalia. You don't like it here. You think it's so bad. You have a dictator as a president who by the way loves freedom and loves the Constitution, loves democracy and he's protecting it every single day. She can just go back to Somalia.
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Patrick Bet-David
Question.
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Tom
Don't forget her brother.
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Nancy Mace
They're particularly together.
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Patrick Bet-David
Where I'm going with that is.
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Nancy Mace
And the new husband.
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Patrick Bet-David
How much do you, how much is there a conversation behind closed doors? Because if anybody would know, you guys would know. Did she really marry her brother? There is. Yes. No is all these things.
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Nancy Mace
I wasn't in Congress when that went down. I am not sure. But I know it's. I, I know it's the rumor out there, but I, I've never weighed in.
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Vinnie
On and I just saw just recently the marriage certificate was online and it says his name. But people are like, yeah, but that's not her brother. But it's kind of looks like it allegedly would be her brother on a marriage certificate. It's kind of weird. But you know what they call above it. She's in Minnesota's what, 5th. This district in Minnesota. Like can anything. Is anything positive coming out of there from the Tim Walls to her. But they call it little Mogadishu. They call like the amount of people that have been in trouble or on the terror watch list in that area, that's not pro American, trust me. And if she had it her way, it'd be freaking Sheree. They call it Shariaville. That's what they call that. If you let people like that take over and run the show, that's what the is going to become. And if you don't like this place, it is so easy. All you have to do, you could go to Orbitz, get a flight and get the out of here.
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Nancy Mace
I've seen parades in her district and they don't have the American flab because they got the Somalians. And it's not.
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Patrick Bet-David
You say they don't have American flags.
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Nancy Mace
When they have parades and do all their stuff.
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Patrick Bet-David
I don't think they would have a lot of American.
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Nancy Mace
Not in her district. No. They're all flying the Somalian flag. And this not Somalia. This is the United States of America. You don't like it, you can leave.
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Vinnie
Yep. Bingo.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah. And here's a question though, that I got for you. So you know how California or New York or Illinois, these guys try to turn Texas blue, Right. So they would send people there to start working on a plan to turn Texas blue. They're long term, long term thinkers. It'll be a 10 like the Chinese. Exactly. So they're like, let's turn Texas blue, let's turn Florida blue. Florida turned more Republican because of everything that happened during COVID Is there any suspicion of how long term they're thinking where, you know, there's this discussion about the guy from, whether he was from ISIS or one of these Hezbollahs where he said the difference between us and you is you guys have expensive watches where you can, you know, you brag about how much you know your watch is. We have all the time in the world. We will wait 10, 20, 30 years to seek vengeance on you. Right. Do you guys, amongst the community, when you talk to each other, sense that there's a strategy to move different Ilhan Omars in different cities to go into political, you know, become congressmen to have more control in cities so they can gradually spread this ideology amongst different cities and states?
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Nancy Mace
It's not at the congressional level. It's definitely at the local level. Look at that guy who's running from. Yeah, the local, like mayoral races, school board races, municipal races, city council races. And where those, where they are turning those city councils like neon blue. They're trying to get illegals to vote in their elections. Look at the guy and who's running for mayor of New York, I can't say his name, but that socialist guy or whatever that AOC is supporting. But they're, they're, they do it differently. We're always top down as Republicans thinking about the biggest office and then on down, but we have forgotten bottom up, which is where they have succeeded. And they've put these commies, these socialists, these people that are crazy and un American at the lower level of offices that have more control over the people because the government closest to the people is one with the most control, which is the scariest part.
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Patrick Bet-David
And by the way, it's a phenomenal strategy. If you're going to be doing it, you know, they're doing it the right way. They'll start because that's shaking hands. That's where you're in shaking hands versus you're talking about, you're talking to your neighbor. That's right. So you're shaking hands, you're doing it. So long term, if this continues, what is your biggest concern with folks like Ilhan Omar or Zoran Mamdani or others that are climbing the ladder and you know, working their way up? What's your concern long term? 10, 20, 30 years on what America could look like if they continue doing this?
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Nancy Mace
Yeah, well, it's the importation of these people with this ideology and it's, it goes beyond a lot of MAR and aoc. It's like we're in importing this ideology into our country by having the free, wide open borders that we've had for the last four years. And it's bad because just last week in South Carolina, Conway, South Carolina, small town South Carolina, A, A kid was just arrested because he affiliated with ISIS is planning a terrorist attack. This kid, look, I don't know. There he is, you know, young guy, affiliated with isis planning a terrorist attack in small town South Carolina. So the importation of this ideology which I believe is coming from illegal immigration largely and then spreading with the Democrat party, they're being brainwashed into this thing. And this is like a, this is like this is a cancer and we cannot let it metastasize. Well, you gotta have law and order. You gotta have people who are pushing back hard the way that Trump has. You're not here legally. Get the hell out. And just with everything pushing back on all the crazy Democrat policies that have allowed this thing to fester, especially with the trans issues too, they've allowed that become so mainstream. We're Literally going to have to push people back with our words. People are going to have to get arrested. Like, you have to draw a line in the sand and you've got to carry that line. Okay, so pull it back.
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Patrick Bet-David
You're in. You're in this world. So question for you. You're seeing what's going on in UK right? To the point where they've lost control. You know, London, top name, you know, kid name is Muhammad. In a country like uk and you're. You're now at a point where it's the tipping point where we've lost control. There's nothing at this point that they can do. And minus chaos, which will be, you know, they will be scared shitless to do that because of the amount of media attention it's gonna bring when you watch what's going on there and then watch what's going on here. Our constitution, we have freedom of speech. You have, you know, second amendment, you know. Yeah. Arms. You got freedom of assembly. You got, you know, religion that I can have. Whatever, you know, faith I want to have. You can't put a stop to it. Even in Plano, when they were building that facility, the big facility that Greg Abbott came out and said, well, they don't even have the permits and they don't have this. So what? They're eventually going to get the permits. It's going to take a year, two years, three years. They're going to get it. As ambitious and competitive as they are, they're coming to a city near you. It's going to happen. There's a guy that was on TV explaining the fact that any church in Florida that's shutting down, they're buying it and they're turning into. Oh, Rob, play this clip here.
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Nancy Mace
Rob, I saw the thing in Texas. Texas.
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Patrick Bet-David
Oh, no, no, you got to see this clip here. Because they're building the Epic center is one thing, but. But the part that matters the most is the. Is the ones that they're doing it locally. Watch this one here. Go for it. We are buying these churches. This is Florida. We bought three churches so far, converted them to masjids, and now we have one we are buying with a school to make it because we have to serve the same people. People, the people who were part of that community. One day they will be Muslims. So we'll make it into a masjid and an Islamic school for our children and their children. Inshallah, 100 years ago, they invaded the Muslim world and they built missionary schools and destroyed Islamic schools and masjids. Today we bring the Favor back. Turn their churches into messages and their schools into Islamic schools, Bring the light of Islam to here. We're able to buy ready to go institutions that have been there for a long time, but they emptied out, and now it is time to be filled. Rob, you can posit. So for a man who's a Christian, myself, I got four kids, you know, I'm a Christian. But also, in America, the way the Constitution is written, they're not doing anything illegal. So, you know, you could say, you know, the religion of Islam doesn't work with Western ideology, which is true. Many people would agree with that. It does not the way they have Sharia law. And what they'd like to see if they have more control, but there's nothing you can do about it. So if it's math, like, you know, you look at the number when Warren.
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Nancy Mace
Buffett ban Sharia law and make sure that they're not doing that on their property.
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Patrick Bet-David
Not if they eventually have more, because. Because. Okay, so compound interest. This is how compound interest works. Warren Buffett is today worth $160 billion. Okay. Do you know what he was worth at 52 years old? 336. He was only worth $336 million. That's a lot of money, but $336 million that year. But from 336 to now, 160 billion compound interest. Like, he probably didn't think that's his net worth. That's what happened to him. If you look at that, look how small it was. And then boom, skyrocketing, right? You take this chart and you put this in America and say, what's gonna happen with how much they're gonna grow, if they grow. And then next thing you know, they got 150 people in Congress in the next 30, 40 years, America's no longer America. So how many people are sitting here being intentional about what this could look like in the next 20, 30, or 40 years?
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Nancy Mace
We're not. We're not at all. Not at all. And that's why you've gotta push back. I mean, that's what little Mogadisho, what's going on in Minnesota, they've allowed that to happen. I can tell you in South Car, I'm alive. That ain't never happening in my state ever. Like, I would never. I would go in there and make sure that they're not brainwashing people, that they're not limiting. I take the law in there, law enforcement onto the property, make sure that they're not doing Sharia law. That Would not be a thing.
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Patrick Bet-David
But they won't do it, though. They won't. The only time they can do Sharia law is once they're in charge. So I don't think they worry.
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Nancy Mace
I think it happens in the shadows. And I think, you know, once you. You get people who've witnessed it or can report it and be anonymous, you go in that way and do it. That's the only way you can do it right now is making sure you ban Sharia law and make sure that it's not a thing in that community and you arrest those who are breaking the law. That is the only way you do it. But you have to have people with a backbone. You have to have a legislature who will say, no Sharia law, that it's illegal. You got to have that law on the books, either in your state constitution or in statute. And then you've got to have enough law enforcement to be able to make sure the law is being enforced first. Because there is an effort in South Carolina, near the Charlotte area, to do something like this, too. And that. That worries me. That's been going on for over a decade. So, you know, we are seeing it even in smaller states.
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Patrick Bet-David
If they're doing it all legally, there's nothing you can do about it. If it's all legal, they have more kids than you. If they have more, you know, partners than you, like, you know, I'd like to have 20 kids. I got four of them. My wife is done. She's like, babe, you got to find another person. I'm like, if we were in the Middle East, I would have four or five. Maybe we got to move to Minnesota is what I'm thinking. We go over there, we're like, hey, let's. Let's have those 20.
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Nancy Mace
No laws in Minnesota.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, it's a little bit there or Utah, but it depends on what. What strategy you want to take. But, you know, when. When you see this, they're doing everything the right way. They're not breaking the law, okay? They're not doing anything that they can't do. They're making more kids. They're converting people. They're being fanatical, loud about it. So they're marketing and selling, you know, hey, come. This is what we're going to do. If you come with us, we're going to give you back. And you're sitting there being tolerant about it, and you're following the Constitution. Nancy, I hate to say this. I don't think there's anything you can do. If they keep growing Legally, I think it is a matter of time, purely due to compound interest, unless if somebody steps up and does something real about it. I don't think the current Constitution.
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Nancy Mace
Oh. Is something real about it. How would you define real?
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Patrick Bet-David
Well, that's your world. That's why I have you here. I'm a regular guy. I'm just an innocent guy that's a business guy.
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Nancy Mace
I support churches. I support my people, which is planting churches. So it's the same kind of thing. We as Christians in our faith, we plant churches not just here in the United States, but all around the world. So for people of faith like you, Jewish faith, Christian faith, whatever that faith is, planting churches, planting synagogues, we have to do the same thing too. And we've been doing it for thousands of years and have to continue doing it. I'm a big fan of our church and the church plantings. Our church, Seacoast Church in South Carolina, has planted over a thousand churches worldwide. So we have to continue to spread the faith, our faith, our Christian faith.
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Patrick Bet-David
We're not having enough kids, though, so.
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Nancy Mace
Oh, we're not. We're definitely. I have two. You got to get one more. I know I'm almost 50, though, so I think I'm out of juice.
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Patrick Bet-David
Characters in the Bible that were having kids in their 80s and 90s, I tell that to my wife. Doesn't work. Every time I try to use that.
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Vinnie
Never going to work.
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Patrick Bet-David
But you know what I'm, you know what I'm asking? I mean, to me, I, I think about. Tom, are you processing what I'm saying on how, you know, I think we talked about this in Kins, Kentucky a couple weeks ago. Where did you end up with this?
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Tom
Where I end up with it is you have two choices, and it's a very binary choice. You have the battle of battles in the United States to stand up and say we have freedom of religion. But this one long term is a non starter. That is the battle of battles and that's where it is. And otherwise they'll use the law and they will very legally expand their numbers and then go see what happens. You think little Mogadishu is an issue? Wait until there's 50 of those individuals and there's Congress and suddenly that whole wing of Congress, well, there's little Mogadishu, the whole Congress. So the battle of battles is to stand up and say, hang on, we do have freedom of religion. Religion that was built at a time that this, this, this, this, this was happening for Christianity, for, for our faith and for Pilgrims. And remember, you know, they'll say, hey, you know, the Muslims are religious zealots with guns. Well, who are the pilgrims? They weren't exactly unarmed peasants. And so that's where it is. It's turning the page and saying this doesn't fly. And we have to create frameworks and legislation because otherwise the, the long term outcome of it is immigration, procreation, assimilation. And finally then you get conflict on the legal forums and say, wait, why do we let this happen? Because the leads, the weeds grew in the, in the field and you, you didn't make a decision back then.
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Patrick Bet-David
So check this out here, here's, here's something that Tom just prompted that it made me think about. There's an insurance company out there called Thriving, okay? Thrivent is a fraternal insurance company. It's a Christian benefit society. The way you get an insurance policy with them is you have to admit you're a Christian, okay? So if you don't and you have to read something out to them or else you don't get it. We were almost about to get a contract with them. The moment said you have to say this, we're like, so not only is life insurance already so hard to sell, at the end of it, I would say, okay, you want to here, let's hold hands and let's pray real quick before you get called qualified for this. It's tough to do that, right? But in countries that are Muslim driven countries, I don't know how many Christians can move up politically. I don't know if I have to have a certain denomination. I think if somebody is coming in, like, you know, hey, you're in America, you want to become a citizen, you got to be able to answer these certain questions that you go through, whatever the 10, 20 questions they are, you know, who's this? Who's the vice president? What is this legislation? What are the three branches? Okay, great, maybe not for citizenship, but if you're gonna go run for office, Congress, Senate, all that stuff, these are the values that we have. Now, I know that's gonna scare the crap out of everybody because they're like, well, Thomas Jefferson was an atheist and this one, well, he's not. He was really technically this. I get it. I do think there needs to be something in place where, you know, an ideology that just straight up doesn't work with America. You can't come and create laws, period. You cannot come and create laws. And if we create that locally, state level, I'm going to get so much hate for saying this. I'M going to get so much hate for saying this, but to me, if somebody sits there and says, you know, I don't think it's that big of a deal, you know, it's just, we're going to go out and focus on the issues today. I'm a long term thinker. I think this is going to be a top five issue in the next 30 years. I think it'll be top five issue in the next 30 Years. And everyone's going to say, what do we do about it now? You know what, you know what you think about it at that time. Nothing you can't do about it. Yeah, it's too late because the decisions weren't made today. And too often all we think about is, yeah, I'm paying my bills, I got my life, everything is good, everything is groovy, I'm straight. Okay, boom, fast forward. You'll be 30 years gonna come like this. I didn't think I was going to be 46 this quickly. I thought I was gonna be 46 maybe a little longer than 46 years, right? I thought it was gonna take about eight years to be 46 years old. But time goes by fast. So anyways, I, I was just curious to know what you were going to say about this. Nancy, you got a clip on, on YouTube that didn't get 3 million views. 4 million views, 5 million. You got a clip. I don't know if you know this or not. It's got 61 million views.
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Nancy Mace
Is this Twitter?
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Patrick Bet-David
No, this is this one.
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Nancy Mace
Hunter Biden.
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Patrick Bet-David
But play this clip. No, no, not 16 million 61 million views.
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Nancy Mace
Hunter Biden.
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Patrick Bet-David
Rob, can you go back and show her?
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Nancy Mace
She needs to see the vaccine.
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Patrick Bet-David
1 Can you just go back and put this on there to see this? This clip went all off the charts. Okay, not that one. Rob. Rob is listening to hip hop.
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Vinnie
There's a part of rob listening to.
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Patrick Bet-David
50 hardcore gangster that we're trying to get it out of him. Let's listen to this first and then we'll find it. Go for it.
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Nancy Mace
Rob, where did you go to medical school? I did not go to medical school. I'm sorry. I did not go to medical school. That's what I thought. Why do you think you or anyone else at Twitter had the medical expertise to censor a doctor's expert opinion? Our policies regarding Covid were designed to protect individuals. We were seeing you guys censored Harvard educated doctors, Stanford educated doctors, doctors that are educated in the best places in the world, and you silence those voices. Did the US Government ever contact you or anyone at Twitter to pressure Twitter to moderate or censor certain tweets? Yes or no. Receive legal demands to remove content from the platform from the US Government.
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Patrick Bet-David
Governments all around the world.
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Nancy Mace
Thank God for Matt Taibbi. Thank God for Elon Musk for allowing to show us the world that Twitter was basically a subsidiary of the FBI.
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Patrick Bet-David
Pause that, Rob. So when are you running for governor?
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Nancy Mace
I have to make the decision.
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Patrick Bet-David
Make the decision.
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Nancy Mace
Yeah. If I. Yeah, I can't say I'm a candidate because then I have to declare. So we're thinking about it.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay.
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Nancy Mace
And I'm dead serious about it. I just, you know, we're a red state and it's supposed to be law and order and conservative, but it's not. I mean, I just found a couple weeks ago, Clemson University had 15 genders on a form on their website. I did a video on X. I called the president of the college. Three hours later they took it down. I've had two other colleges have the same sort of thing. This gender bending ideology is everywhere. States have funded it and allowed it. This woke DEI tranny stuff to happen. We had a sanctuary sheriff in South Carolina for the last four years and she wasn't working with ice. And I found out she was letting hundreds of illegals out on the streets who were murderers, rapists and pedophiles. No one who was in statewide office said a damn thing. They could have impeached her and then the voters could have elected a new one. But I just said, you know, this is. We don't have law and order and there's a lot of corruption. And I've been through the system as a survivor and I see all the corruption between our solicitors, the lawyers that fund the solicitors campaigns, the corruption with our AG. Our AG had a case that he prosecuted with 1900 photos that this pedophile had convicted. Pedophile of toddlers as young as three being raped by animals. He had six indictments. Our attorney general, Alan Wilson pled him down to one and his sentence. Guess what? Guess how many days he served in jail. Anybody want to get guess?
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Vinnie
Zero.
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Patrick Bet-David
Two years.
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Nancy Mace
How many days did he serve in jail?
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Vinnie
Less than a week.
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Nancy Mace
One. One day. We have 353 murder cases in Charleston county in South Carolina. We've got a case.
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Patrick Bet-David
Are you serious about this? What is the name of this?
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Tom
I read about this. They're idle murder cases in just one.
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Nancy Mace
County in a rural county in South Carolina, Sumter, kind of near Charlotte. Upstate, they have 60 cases again. There's a case in Myrtle beach that the Wall Street Journal has covered. Scott Spivey's name. I just met with the family in Loris on Tuesday. He was shot. They shot at him 7. They chased him down the road 9 miles. They shot him 17 times as he was facing away. Got killed by a shot in the back. The AG wouldn't prosecute. Governor wouldn't do anything. Solicitor buried the head in sand. Come to find out with the tapes later. The shooter knew the guy was terrified, admitted he chased him down the road. I just. No prosecution. So I'm actually trying to talk to the feds to get them to come in, not just in cases that I'm working on, but like the entire state. Like, how does this happen? We have more pedophiles out on the streets than we have in jail. Murderers are out running free rapists running wild. Try to get a rapist convicted. In my state, you can't. And so it's just, if I do it, I'm gonna be the drop the hammer. Law and order, Trump in high heels. I'm coming for you. And if you're a pedophi, you ain't voting for me. You're voting for the pedophile protector, Attorney General Allen Wilson. Like, I'm gonna come for the criminals. I'm gonna make sure our state is safe. Florida's done a great job under Governor DeSantis. Trump's doing a phenomenal job. And I wanna bring his America first.
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Patrick Bet-David
How is Master doing?
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Nancy Mace
This has happened.
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Patrick Bet-David
He's a Republican governor.
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Nancy Mace
I like him personally. He's a Republican governor, but this has happened while he's been in office. And I'm a fighter. And I just, I would never allow, like, a daughter going to college to allow men to share dormitories and showers with him. I mean, that's just the kind of thing that's been going on in South Carolina. And everyone has just buried their heads in the sand. And that is not America First. That is not part of the Trump Doctrine.
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Patrick Bet-David
Is he fighting it? Is he talking to you guys? Is he coming and saying, what are we doing?
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Nancy Mace
No. No. And I love him personally. He's a great guy, great family. Nothing. Neither is my lieutenant governor, my attorney general. Nothing. They're doing nothing about any of this. And I'm the one who, who's exposing it. The pedophile I mentioned, Donald Gresh, just got arrested for the second time. He violated, I think a sex registry thing or something. But the only reason he got rearrested is because I've been Talking about it on air. And so it's like I'm not even governor yet. And I have forced these universities to stop, you know, putting trannies on their gender forms on their applications for college. I've stopped one on university from promoting cross dressing on their website. You know, I've exposed what's going on, you know, in our justice system or injustice system. And I, I don't even hold state office. So that just says to me, I'm the only one screaming about it, that we need new leadership. Who's going to.
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Patrick Bet-David
What's this, Rob? What's this?
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Tom
This was from two days ago. This was about the attorney General that was mentioned earlier, Alan Wilson.
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Patrick Bet-David
So can we look into Alan Wilson? Can you go a little bit deeper? Can you go to his profile? I just want to see what his background. So Alan Wilson, member of South Carolina National Guard, 51st century member of the Republican party. So this guy's a Republican. Wilson has litigated, blocked same sex marriage. In Valentine, Ford challenged, Wilson was born. Boom, boom, boom. Go a little bit to the right to see what we see.
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Nancy Mace
He's a Nepo baby. He's the son of Congressman Joe Wilson. He's been in office for 16 years and this shit's been going on with him. As attorney general, he likes to put out the press release, hey, we arrested this pedophile, but he will not put out the press release of what the conviction was. If they get convicted at all, that's how bad it is. I need the feds to come in and take over our state. Because what happens is, you know, we have a legislature filled of lawyers. They elect the judges and then the lawyer legislators and other lawyers, they, they fund the campaigns for the Attorney general, they fund the campaigns for the solicitors. In fact, the solicitor working on a case that I am the key witness in right now, her last big fundraiser was headlined by the attorney for two predators who are being investigated by law enforcement. Evidence has been leaked to these guys, you know, and so the system is just so corrupt. There's, I don't think anything going. You can't go back. I need the feds to come in and take over the state. That's what needs to happen.
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Tom
You just made an incredible case as why the people of South Carolina need a different governor.
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Nancy Mace
Yes.
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Tom
And there was a leak on the 17th, two days ago that Alan Wilson's rally and formal announcement will be on Monday, the 23rd. Coming up on Monday.
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Nancy Mace
Correct.
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Tom
He is announcing, he's had exploratory going, going for a while. Okay. So he's in and he's in with Money. Monday, the 23rd coming up, says, when will the people of South Carolina hear from you about exploratory committee or definitive announcement?
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Nancy Mace
I don't do it.
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Tom
Just merit.
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Nancy Mace
Yeah. I don't do exploratory. Once I'm in, I'm all in. 100. There's just all in. I don't like the idea of exploratory. I am still in session in D.C. i'm still talking to family. I'm getting around the state, listening to people and hearing where they are, are. I'm not in a rush. Every poll that's out there, I'm ahead in every poll. Which is not where you want to be when you're starting out running.
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Tom
One or two in recognition, you want.
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Nancy Mace
To be two or three.
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Tom
Very strong.
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Nancy Mace
But I know that if I decide to do it, my sense is the people are going to be with me. I had a town hall last night. Democrats will tell you I never have town halls. We had a town hall last night. We had 300, 3 or 300 people at least RSVP last night for this thing in kind of a remote part of Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. Everywhere we go, hundreds of people show up. They don't have that. Just making sure that I get my ducks in the row with my family. I've got two kids, I've got parents to think of and I'm spending some time with my children over the next couple weeks and we'll decide by the end of summer. So I want to make sure if I do it, I do it the right way. I run my own races. I don't play by anyone's playbook. I don't care that he's announcing on Monday. I think it's a terrible time. He leaked that he was announcing two days ago on the 10 year anniversary of Mother Emanuel. We're nine. But black church members were murdered while they were reading scripture. So I just. The. The timing of it. Tone deafness. I'm not in a rush because he's not going to win, but him getting in might force me to run because he cannot be governor.
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Patrick Bet-David
I think you indirectly announce your run, which is. We'll take it as an indirect announcement. When I run, it was an indirect announcement that was made. But here's a question for you. When you're as you know, tough and strong and calling out and talking shit like you are, they're going to come after you are. Okay, so what methods have they already taken to come after you and target You.
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Nancy Mace
Oh, they leak stories. They use, quote, anonymous sources. They try to get you investigated by the ethics committee. They make things up. In fact, I can't. I can't tell you how many times I've talked to reporter. Okay, they're accusing you of doing this. And I was. Seven anonymous sources. And they're all disgruntled former employees because I fire people. I'm like, Trump, if I don't think you're doing a good job or you're unethical, you're gone. And so, well, we don't have the paperwork, we don't have a recording, we don't have a text, we don't have a receipts. They just said, you did this. I'm like, well, show me the receipt. There was even a guy, and I'm getting ready to file a lawsuit on this today or tomorrow or by Monday.
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Patrick Bet-David
Who.
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Nancy Mace
Lied in a deposition to say I blackmailed somebody. And I literally have all the receipts. I'm like, no, we didn't meet when you said we meet met. Nope, that trip didn't happen the way you said it did. Nope, I didn't. I didn't wait to withhold evidence from law enforcement for a year. And no, I didn't purge. I didn't blackmail anybody. In fact, the guy that's alleging blackmail actually allegedly attempted to black me mail me last year. Politics in South Carolina is a very dirty business. So these guys will, will do fake depositions with fake subpoenas. In fact, this lawsuit, they filed a fake fictitious company to file a fictitious lawsuit with fictitious defendants, knowing they were targeting me, and then had a guy lie under oath and subpoena that. A subpoena that the judge never even approved and violated my civil rights. But, like, I'm like, I literally have to sue them now, all of them. And I'm doing that today or tomorrow to say, here are the receipts, buddy, and here's where you lied. But in South Carolina, if you perjure yourself, do you think that they go after you for perjury?
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Vinnie
If they're not going after pedophiles that are having three year olds have sex with animals, it's like, what the hell are we talking about?
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Nancy Mace
So it's gonna be in public and all that, but, like, that's why, like, I fight back. And I'm like, I'm suing people who need to be sued, and I'm holding them accountable. And I will talk about it in the pub. Most public place possible to hold people accountable because it might be the only justice and the only truth. That I get, which is why I am a fighter. Like, I don't. I don't wilt. I don't flee. I also have post traumatic stress disorder, which is why sometimes I. I go off in those videos because I feel like I. You know, when you're. You're being attacked with. You have ptsd, you either fight or you flee. And I sure as hell. And getting out of there alive, I'm the only one coming out alive. So I fight back. So that's what I'm doing.
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Patrick Bet-David
What is the story that says Nancy May shows nude photos of herself in house hearing as she says she was recorded without consent?
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Nancy Mace
Yeah, I did that in May. May 20th of this year. So about a year and a half ago, I uncovered some things that were very disturbing, including videos of me being recorded without my name, knowledge, without my permission, without my consent. I also identified other women that were recorded on this camera without their knowledge, without their permission, without their consent. And today, a year and a half later, since I came forward to law enforcement with all this evidence, including metadata, photos, some video and other evidence, no one's been arrested. And if that can happen to a member of Congress and nobody lifts a finger because this is against the law, what is this? This is a hearing. I had an oversight about surveillance in private space. And that's my body. You can see the silhouette. I mean, it's pretty tame. It's the silhouette. You can tell that it's me and my long hair and everything. But today, year and a half later, no one's been arrested. And to have to say, as a woman, we want to be believed. We want people who've violated us. When this happens to you, and there were lots of videos and photos. I can't unsee what I've seen. When this happens to you, it feels like you're physically being raped. I. I have post traumatic stress disorder of what I saw of myself that I had no idea was recorded. And it's humiliating. And I don't know. Was this sold on the Dark Web? Was this gonna be used to blackmail me in the future? I have no idea why this individual did this to me. And he did this for years. And I undercovered.
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Patrick Bet-David
Who is the individual? Did you find out?
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Nancy Mace
My former fiance. Someone I was engaged to. Someone I trusted. I gave him my life savings. I owned property with him. I found evidence going, going back a decade of upskirt photos. And I showed some of those in this hearing. And so, you know, I'm a key witness in investigation. I'm a key witness in now a civil suit. One of the victims was allegedly sexually assaulted. It was filmed and I found it on his phone. And so I just.
- [76:01]
Patrick Bet-David
Is your ex fiance conservative or is he? Is he. I'm assuming he's a conservative.
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Nancy Mace
I don't know what he is. I mean, I'm not going to comment on that.
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Patrick Bet-David
I'm saying that is because. To see if it's something that, that the opposition is using to. Because they're going to come after you. You're loud. You're loud. You're non stop loud. It's not like you're coming in like, hey, let me kind of relax and get to know everybody. Like, no, I'm here. Boom. You're full of shit. You're full of shit. I'm not going to do this. Tranny, tranny, tranny. Hey.
- [76:28]
Nancy Mace
What is a woman always. But the solicitor is very good friends with one of his attorneys who's representing two of the four people that I talked about in my floor speech in February. But you know, I have evident, I have knowledge of our solicitor obstructing justice for me and other women who are victims, either rape victims, allegedly or victims of voyeurism in this thing. There's been evidence that's been leaked and I believe it was the solicitor that leaked evidence to people who shouldn't have had it. And her, the solicitor, Scarlett Wilson is her name. Her last big fundraiser last year before her reelection was headlined by attorney Jerry Theos. Jerry Theos is the attorney for two of the four predators who are being investigated today. He. I have the invitation. I haven't made it public yet, but he reps my ex and one of his business partners in these cases. And so they're leaking stuff and leaking information, I believe. And I believe she's the one doing it. And so it's just this corrupted system and he should not. I mean I just. Women just deserve justice. I just want you to do your job, follow the law and put people in jail who've broken it. And you just can't. She doesn't want to prosecute rape cases and there's a history of that in her office. She doesn't believe the victims. She's got a political bias against me. Unfortunately, I'm the key witness because I found all this stuff. But she's got political bias against me. And I believe, I believe that we can puncture the seal of qualified immunity. And Scarlet Wilson, I hope you're listening. I believe you can be sued. I don't believe you can be protected by qualified immunity because of the way that you have inserted yourself into this investigation and have obstructed the investigation. And if you get your together and do the right thing, there can be a different conversation. But right now, that's what it looks like.
- [78:27]
Patrick Bet-David
Wow. Scarlett A. Wilson.
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Nancy Mace
Oh, yeah, she's. Oh, and Jerry Theos, the attorney for these guys in this investigation.
- [78:35]
Patrick Bet-David
How do you spell the last name?
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Nancy Mace
T H E O S. He was the attorney for the pedophile I mentioned, Donald Grash earlier. It's just this nasty, corrupt. Everyone's scratching everybody's back. Nobody wants to go to trial. There are no trials. You know, you plead down the. To the left. Least common, least worst indictment, the easiest thing to indict on. Nobody serves jail time. Everybody gets rich. Either with your campaign or your law firm, with your clients who you're defending, who aren't going to jail.
- [79:01]
Patrick Bet-David
Are you. Are you planning on at any time to slow down and not take the approach that you're taking?
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Nancy Mace
No.
- [79:06]
Patrick Bet-David
Okay, then this is going to continue. Yeah, yeah, this is going to continue as long as you know it.
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Nancy Mace
And you know, oh, and they're coming after me, let me tell you. I mean, if you're willing to file a fictitious company to file a fictitious lawsuit and have some. Someone lie under oath, what else are you willing to do? But, you know, I have a great legal team. I have great staff, I have a great platform, and all I'm going to do is tell the truth and the people can decide. But what I will tell you, because I've come forward as a victim, as a key witness in this thing. I'm learning about other cases, like Scott Spivey's case. The family came to me. You know, these families are begging for help because there needs to be a trial. And that in that murder case, there are. There was a kid that was just run over with a car by someone who was mentally ill in Sullivan's Island, S.C. and the families not being informed by their victims rights advocate in South Carolina about when the hearings are for this guy. In my case, I didn't get a victims rights advocate for 11 months. And guess what? I had to go through the attorney general's office, who denies he knew anything about it. I got my victims rights advocate through his office. Office, and one of the rape victims didn't get her victims rights advocate until the day of my speech, like an hour before my speech. So it's just, you know, and I've got. I've got people all over the state, hey, this case happened, this murder, this rape this pedophile. I went to law enforcement. Nothing happened. And when I. I was also physically assaulted on my way out. I have bruises all over the left side of my body. And I showed it to law enforcement and was told point blank, we're not going to investigate. Like, if that's happening to me as a. As a prominent member of the community, then what's happening to the little black girl in North Charleston when she comes forward? You know, victims are treated like criminals. Criminals are treated like victims, and that's what's going on, which I like. I'm gonna be begging the feds. I'm working on it. It's a really long letter. It's taken a while, but somebody's gotta take over the state and make right what's been so wrong in South Carolina.
- [81:02]
Patrick Bet-David
Sounds like the state's about to get a new governor. That's what it sounds like.
- [81:05]
Nancy Mace
I hope like hell there.
- [81:06]
Patrick Bet-David
Yeah. Well, let's see. Let's see what's going to happen, which is she's going to make the announcement here soon. All right, so a couple things. Yesterday, Tucker had ted Cruz on 92 million.
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Nancy Mace
I'm just going to say that there are 92 million people in Iran.
- [81:21]
Patrick Bet-David
92 million views.
- [81:23]
Nancy Mace
I know the answer.
- [81:25]
Patrick Bet-David
That is hilarious. But, no, he had Ted Cruz on. Is this one. Is this the clip? Which clip is this, Rob?
- [81:31]
Tom
This is the population of Iran.
- [81:33]
Patrick Bet-David
Okay, go for it.
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Nancy Mace
For.
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Patrick Bet-David
Play this clip. Play this. By the way, I don't know the population at all. No, I don't know the population.
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Tom
You don't know the population of the country you seek to topple?
- [81:44]
Patrick Bet-David
How many people living around 92 million. Okay, yeah. How could you not know that?
- [81:51]
Nancy Mace
I. I don't sit around memorizing population tables.
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Tom
Well, it's kind of relevant because you're.
- [81:55]
Patrick Bet-David
Calling for the overthrow of the government.
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Nancy Mace
Why is it relevant whether it's 90 million or 80 million or 100 million?
- [82:01]
Patrick Bet-David
Why?
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Tom
Because if you don't know anything about the country.
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Patrick Bet-David
I didn't say I don't know anything about. Okay, what's the ethnic mix of Iran? They are Persians and predominantly Shia.
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Tom
Okay, you don't know anything about Iran.
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Nancy Mace
So.
- [82:13]
Patrick Bet-David
Okay, I'm not the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran.
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Tom
You're a senator who's calling.
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Nancy Mace
About the country.
- [82:22]
Patrick Bet-David
No, you don't know anything about the country. You're the one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump. Trump.
- [82:26]
Nancy Mace
You know, I'm not saying that. Who can't figure out if it was.
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Patrick Bet-David
A good idea to kill General Soleimani and you said it was bad they're.
- [82:32]
Tom
Trying to murder Trump.
- [82:33]
Patrick Bet-David
Yes, I do.
- [82:33]
Tom
Because you're not calling for military strikes.
- [82:35]
Patrick Bet-David
Against them in retaliation. And if you really believe carrying out military strikes today, you said Israel was right with our help.
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Nancy Mace
I said we.
- [82:43]
Patrick Bet-David
Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.
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Tom
Well, this, you're breaking news here because the US Government last night denied, the National Security Council spokesman, Alex Pfeiffer denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity.
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Patrick Bet-David
We're not bombing them.
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Nancy Mace
Israel's bombing them.
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Tom
You just said we were.
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Patrick Bet-David
We are supporting Israel.
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Tom
Senator, if you're saying the United States government is Iran right now, people are listening.
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Patrick Bet-David
Your thoughts on this.
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Nancy Mace
Well, I learned that there are 92 million people in Iran. And by the way, over 60% of Iranians are Persian. At 61% and over 90% are she. So after that interview, I went into a table of population to see what the makeup was. But Ted Cruz is right. There are actually three people. I just looked up their names. Three people in federal custody currently for Iran has been trying to assassinate Trump. They had plans to Asif Marchant, Carlisle Rivera and Jonathan Lodholt are people that are in federal custody right now as part of that. And also Iran also attempted to assassinate. They've also tried to assassinate other people. They are a real threat. Former secretaries, et cetera, have had those threats on their life. But I'm with Trump on this. I'm with Trump on the Iranian Israel situation. I was in Israel a couple months ago, and I've been briefed on what Iran had and did not have at the time. And I agree with Trump that I believe that they are close or were close to to having a nuclear weapon. I believe timetables, depending on what intel you talk to, timelines might be slightly different. But everybody knows is pretty close. And everybody knows where they're getting their sources from and what material Iran was getting from where. All of that is known, and it's been known for a long time. This is the closest they've ever been. In fact, I was really pleased to see last night, over the middle of the night, Israel bomb bombed Eric, which is one of or Iraq, which is one of their nuclear facilities that had heavy water that's used. You get plutonium out of that. And I hope that Israel sees this till the end and that we're going to be there. I actually texted the president two days ago, and he texted back, and I told him that we needed to take out their nuclear Facilities.
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Patrick Bet-David
This is President Trump.
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Nancy Mace
Yeah. And even if we had to give him a 30,000 pound bunker buster to do it, and the B2, I think we should do it. We have an opportunity now to put this to bed and the world will be safer and the media won't report on it now. But there are major Gulf states who support Israel's effort. Nobody in their right mind wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I also don't want our troops in Iran. I don't want no feet on the ground, no soldiers in Iran, just like Ukraine. No. But if we need to provide some equipment like we did with Ukraine, train to Israel to finish the job, I'm okay with that. But we have allies in the Middle east, large Gulf states who are supportive of this effort.
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Vinnie
Classic question. So, so, Nancy, and because I'm going to give you, what do you say to the people that have seen, for instance, BIBI Netanyahu for 40 years saying Iran is two weeks away from nuclear weapon. Two years later Iran is. And now it's gone to the point where, where the people are questioning the intelligence. Because, for instance, if I want you, mind you, Bibi is very, very unlike in his own country. There was about to be a revolution before October 7th happened. What, what do you say to the people that are like, you know what, just like when I was in the United States Air Force during Bush, I trust me, one of the reasons I left was because they lied and they did lie. And which Bibi was one of the main, main voices saying Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons and, and taking out Saddam would cause positive reverberations throughout the region. It did anything but. So what do you say to people that are like, hey, listen, Israel. And I get it, he wants, he doesn't want anybody to freaking have nuclear weapons, especially Iran that says, you know, they're little Satan and we're big Satan. But what do you say to people that this story seems like it's the same story? That's one question. And the second one is, what is the plan for the regime change if you're going to go in there and take everybody out? We've talked about this. Is there a plan kind of behind the curtains that's like all okay, Reza or somebody, because if you just take Everybody out, those 92 million people are gonna be like, who, what, what about us?
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Nancy Mace
So what do you, yeah, no, I, I was with you on Iraq, the whole weapons of mass destruction and what we did to our country, taking away our liberties after that, spying on Americans and everything. And we were Lied to the difference here. This, to me, it feels different. I have been briefed, I have been in a scandal gif and heard some of the intel that has been acquired. Now, you know, different intelligence agencies and countries might have a slightly different timeline, but it's all the same. They're very close. Based on, and that's what Trump said the other day. And I, based on what I've been briefed on, I believe that he is right now with regards to regime change, that's up to the Iranian people. Over 80% of Iranian people, people do not want the Ayatollah in power. They don't want the mullahs, the irgc, common eye, like they're not in on this. And so I have worked a lot of human rights around the world. I've worked a lot with Iranian former political prisoners. And my sense is with the Iranian people, one, they don't, they want a regime change. There's a shadow government of people there that would take over that want freedom, that want democracy, that want a non nuclear Iran. You have the former king, as you mentioned, potentially you have Miram Rajavi as well. She's in Europe. There are leaders around the world and nearby that would want what the Iranian people want. If we, you know, I urge the president not to do a deal with the, with the mullahs or with the Ayatollah. I just said give him the bomb, give them the plan, take out their nukes. But we know that they are doing this. We know that they're violating their agreement. And they've been doing it for years now. They've been inching along, but they're closer than they've ever been because of places like Russia, because of the Chinese who want to see this axis of evil. And we can't. And Trump has said it for 15 years, we can't allow them have a nuclear weapon. So if Israel has to do it by hand and march into the mountain at Fordow and do it, then do it like whatever it takes. And I think naturally the regime will topple and there will be freedom loving, democracy loving Iranians ready to step in. Over 80% of them don't want this.
- [89:16]
Patrick Bet-David
Here's the thing, Rob, if you can play the clip of Trump talking about he got a call from Tucker apologizing and they were going back and forth. Yeah, this is a right here. Watch this here, the exchange.
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Rob
Tucker's a nice guy. He called and apologized the other day because he thought he said things that a little bit too strong. And I appreciated that. And Ted Cruz is a nice guy. I mean, he's been with me for a long time. I'd say once the race was over, he's been with me ever since. Right. But very simple. If they think that it's okay for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, then they should oppose me. But nobody thinks it's okay. People that don't want. I don't want to fight either. I'm not looking to fight. But if you, if it's a choice between fighting and them having a nuclear weapon, you have to, you have to do what you have to do. Maybe we won't have to fight. Don't forget, we haven't been fighting. And if Ted, I can't imagine that Ted Cruz said it's okay for Iran to have nuclear. Including Tucker. I don't think Tucker says it's okay. The problem is then they get themselves into a thing. They don't want them to have nuclear, but then they say, well, we don't want to fight. Well, you're going to have to make a change choice because it's possible that you're going to have to fight for them not to have nuclear. And it's interesting because I did ask Tucker, I said, well, are you okay with nuclear weapons being in the hands of Iran? And he sort of didn't like that. He didn't want to, really, but he sort of didn't like that. And I said, well, if it's, if it's okay with you, then you and I do have a difference, but it's really not okay with him. Therefore, you may have to fight. And maybe it'll end, and maybe it'll end very quickly, but there is no way that you can allow, whether you have to fight or not, you can allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon because the entire world will blow up.
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Patrick Bet-David
What do you think about what you.
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Vinnie
Said about not letting them have a nuclear weapon?
- [91:09]
Patrick Bet-David
No, but the exchange, I mean, the whole thing. What do you think about what I think?
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Vinnie
I mean, I do think Tucker called and did apologize. I mean, he can't, he's not going to have the president of the United States as an enemy. I think those conversations are happening. And, and here's my thing. If it's factual proof, I, I love to see the proof of the, where they are at these stages. Like, and I'm not saying the part.
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Patrick Bet-David
I'm asking you is the following, because there's one thing he said here. So he said, okay, so you don't want them to have a nuclear weapon. All right, so what if the option is, the only option is to fight to be able to get, have them get rid of nuclear weapon. Then what do we do?
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Vinnie
If they, if they want.
- [91:46]
Patrick Bet-David
Let's, let's just say everybody agrees they don't want Iran to have nuclear weapon.
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Vinnie
And I.
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Patrick Bet-David
Minus 5%.
- [91:51]
Vinnie
Okay, I agree that I don't think Iran, with that leadership, should definitely not.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay, so let me ask you a question. At what cost? So is it let them have nuclear weapon but we don't go to war or. Look, man, if you're not going to give up the nuclear weapon, we got to go to war.
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Vinnie
No, I think first I want zero American troops on the ground at all. Because if, if it's going to escalate to that point. Point, I don't want any United States.
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Patrick Bet-David
Perfect. So what you're saying is, again, this is okay. It's just your opinion. What you're saying is the fact that I would much rather have Iran have nuclear weapon with no troops going there, going to war.
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Vinnie
No, no, I don't want them to have nuclear weapons.
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Patrick Bet-David
What we have to say is, what Trump is saying is what if that's his argument that he's making to Tucker. He's talking specifically to Tucker in this video. That's my impression of what I'm getting. He's saying, okay, Tucker, so what do we do? You don't want troops, no problem. And you don't want them to have nuclear weapons. What if they don't want to negotiate because they're just not seeming like. Here's a clip on what they just said. It says Iran will never surrender. Israel made a huge mistake, says country Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei. This is what he's saying. You know, go ahead and play this clip.
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Tom
Rap.
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Patrick Bet-David
Threats, Gushude threaten us while speaking in vulgar and unacceptable manner, explicitly demanding that Iranians surrender to him. Punishing threats have no effect on a mindset of conduct of Iranian people. Surrender to what? Iran is not a nation of surrenders. We have not assaulted anyone. We will not accept aggression from anyone, nor will we ever surrender. Okay, so you can pause it right here. So the question is the following. This is the difference between being a podcaster, being a pundit, being a person that just says what they say. This is my opinion. Here's what I think versus you're in the Situation Room since the President's been president for four and a half years. He was in the situation one time in his first four terms, Rob, which was what? What? The first time was what? That he Was in a situation.
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Vinnie
Soleimani, right.
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Tom
Yeah, Soleimani was the first time. And then last Friday, following Thursday night's bombing in Iran, was the second time that he had been in the Situation Room, and then earlier this week, made the third time.
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Patrick Bet-David
So he's been in a situation three times. Once in his first term, two times in the last week. Okay, two times in the last week and a half, give or take. This is why I'm asking you not don't think like a pundit. Don't think like a podcaster. Don't think about. Let me say what it is to go viral, because I want the community to like and retweet and all that other stuff, because sometimes that's how the market thinks about it. Think about it from the standpoint. You were in the military, I was in the military. You're Air Force, I'm Army. Right. Both of us were not supportive of the Iraq war. Spent trillions of dollars, wasted time, bullshit. It was full of it. They were just kind of using propaganda. 9, 11, all this stuff. I don't want to get deep into it. I've done plenty of interviews where people know where our position is with that don't support. They get nuclear weapon. If you have to choose, you can't do one without the other. We do nothing. Think they get nuclear weapons. Should we do anything? Should he attack the way he did with Gasem Soleimani?
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Vinnie
Attack? What?
- [95:26]
Patrick Bet-David
The. The.
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Vinnie
The. Because here's my thing.
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Patrick Bet-David
Say Israel can't do it by themselves.
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Vinnie
But here's my question. Israel can't. Do you think Israel doesn't have the capability to do this by themselves? I do, too. So why do we have to get involved?
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Patrick Bet-David
No, I know what I'm. All I'm saying to you is I think they do me, too. And I want this to be their fight 100%. To me, like when the boys are fighting. You've seen me when I'm with the kids, I'm like, listen, I'm out of this one. Go ahead and fight it out. It's up to you guys, right? But if it gets to a point that I need to get involved, do I let them fight? Because I know one of my sons knows Muay Thai and allow him to beat the crap out of the other. So at what point, if something happens that they're simply not willing to do it, should we get involved?
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Vinnie
Okay, see? Okay, now, if it's up to that point where they are and they're trying to move like that, then it's. They're putting us in this situation that we have to. For right now. I think Israel could take. Take it by themselves.
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Patrick Bet-David
But watch what you just said, Vinnie. Very important. Because when you and I talk, you're a reasonable, logical guy. So you just went to. If it gets to the point that shit could hit the fan, then no matter what on your list is you don't want Iran to have a. I do not want. Okay, okay.
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Vinnie
Period. 100%.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay.
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Vinnie
I don't want them. I don't. With this leadership. This guy right there burning the American flag. Hell no.
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Patrick Bet-David
No.
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Vinnie
Hell no. But again, I am about. And I get it. He's in the Situation Room. The intelligence, if the intelligence is correct, coming from Israel, that they're there, that they're right there, and this is the attitude, up to a point, let Israel do what Israel has to do. But if we have to get involved because they can't do it and this guy wants the nuclear weapons, you know.
- [96:55]
Patrick Bet-David
What I would actually be saying to Netanya if I'm speaking to him? Here's what.
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Vinnie
As who, though?
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Patrick Bet-David
If I'm the president and he's asking me questions and saying, hey, I need your help, you know what I'm going to say. What happened to the fact that you have. You guys have the greatest military in the. In the Middle East? I thought you guys have the greatest air force after you have the greatest intelligence. No, I think what's important for the world stage is you'll go finish and show how strong you are. You show power without anybody helping you out. You go do it. That's what I'm telling him. Why? Because that solves two things. What? One, problem was solved by me not doing the. Not using my truth. Okay. Two, the world is now seeing that they did it. You take ownership of what just happened there, what happened with Israel and Iran. But on the flip side, and I'm going to come to you here, Nancy, because I'm curious on what you're going to say here. On the flip side of it, here is where we hear stories that says, where's the story that. That Israel says they asking troops for. Okay, Israel president calls on the world to help destroy Iran. Nuclear sights, right? And I think there's even one of them that's talking about. He's asking America, is this it?
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Tom
Yes, sir.
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Patrick Bet-David
Go for it, Rob.
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Vinnie
There's a bigger picture here that the world and the American people should understand. We have to stop this empire of evil. No more. And tell them, get the goddamn nukes out of your hands and start Behaving in a decent way and not be the rogue state you are all over the world. Would Israel like to see the President.
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Tom
Of at this point join in Israel, I'm sorry with direct offensive military action in Iran.
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Vinnie
So as you see the Israeli leadership is quite cautious. It's a decision that needs to be taken by the President and his team. So obviously we would welcome anything that helps eradicate the Iranian nuclear program completely.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah.
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Vinnie
Including the main two sides at Fordo.
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Patrick Bet-David
And tons positive right there. Right. This goes to Israel. We are hitting for though with or without us bunker busters. Right. This is a. Do you have that story right there? There's a clip on it right here. Robin, Nancy, I'm coming to you right after this if you have this clip. Rob, there's a clip that says Israel we are hitting four door. So right here, go for it. Around the possibility of an Iran deal is the destruction or the dismantling of.
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Vinnie
The 4 Dow Nuclear Enrichment Center.
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Patrick Bet-David
Is that a pretty prerequisite for a deal? Is that a red line for you?
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Rob
No, it's just something that people talk about having. We're the only ones that have the capability to do it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to do it at all. Yeah, we have the best military equipment in the world. You see that with this fight. We have planes that are undetectable flying around like, you know, nobody is, nobody's able to see him. Stealth. You guys want to be stealthy tonight. You know you can be stealth.
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Patrick Bet-David
You'll never lose.
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Nancy Mace
Right, right.
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Rob
But these are incredible planes and weapons. We have the best weapons in the world by far. Nobody close. And we're, we're, I mean certain countries take advantage of that. Israel has incredible weaponry. So we'll see what happens. I have not, I have not. I've been asked about it by everybody but I haven't made a decision.
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Patrick Bet-David
Israel national security by zotecha cannot stated in interview Channel 12 Israel operation against Iran will not end without damage in fordonuclear facility which is 90 meters underground and houses thousands of uranium enriched centrifuges. He acknowledges. I don't know if the US will join noting ongoing talks with the US but no effort to persuade them. Conventional wisdom suggests that US bunker busting bombs can destroy Fordeaux as Israel lacks such munitions and strategic bombers. That's the tricky question right there.
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Nancy Mace
So number one, I just want to say I trust Donald Trump. I don't think he's going to do anything, anything without seeing it for himself. The intel he's Not George W. Bush. I mean, he's, he knows what he's doing, knows what he's talking about, he knows what he's seen. And if they tell him, hey, this is what's happened, he's going to say, show me. Right. And so he won't make a decision, I believe, without all the facts and information in intel, number one. Number two, I think, you know, Israel, their, their heaviest Bunker Buster is £5,000. Like they might, they've even admitted today, I believe, that they might need to go in using humans. If the US doesn't help. We have, as you all know, the B2 aircraft that are needed to drop heavier bunker busters. We have a 30,000 pound bunker buster bomb which would need a couple of them. Do the trick. We think it would do the trick. You might, I don't know if you need anything more than that, but we have, definitely have equipment and munitions that would work that Israel might need to use and I'm okay with us doing that if that's what Trump decides. That doesn't mean we have troops on the ground. I think we can do it without. But, but lastly, deposit this idea. If Iran, if we allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon, we either fight now or we fight later because Iran's going to drop that nuclear bomb on Israel or somewhere else no matter what. They've stated that they've told us what they're going to do. So we're going to war now, we're going to war later. Let's do it without troops on the ground. Much better, safer for everybody because there's going to be war with Iran no matter what, whether it's right now or whether it's 10 years from now, 20 years from now, whenever that happens, they're going to drop a nuke and there's going to be World War iii. We avoid World War III with doing, watching Israel, Israel take the lead, do it. If they need some of our missiles or bombs, I hope that we provide it, keep our troops out of it. That's the ideal situation, in my opinion.
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Patrick Bet-David
Thoughts?
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Tom
So I also trust President Trump and the decision here is very straight. It's like, Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb. Part 1. Israel gets challenged or told, look, you got your military, you got everything like this and you got a lot of the stuff from us, you got some of the best stuff from us. Go do it. And said, well, we need this and this. Okay, well you give that and that's where the slippery slope starts. That's when the French were flailing in Vietnam well, we'll provide some advisors. Well, we'll provide limited assault infantry support. Well, we'll do this. And all of a sudden you find yourself in it where I don't want to be. I don't want to be boots on the ground, I don't want to be in it. But if we've got the best delivery mechanism, the B2 to delivery platform, and we've got the best bunker buster bombs. Although I've seen all the diagrams of this and I've.
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Patrick Bet-David
Bunker buster bombs, Tom, is that the one that goes. Is three phases, one, two.
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Vinnie
Right.
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Patrick Bet-David
It, it is a very. Can you break down to the audience what the bunker buster bomb, it's designed.
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Tom
To go when it, it's mult. It's delayed fuses and multiple levels, and it's designed to build a hole for itself and then have, have the bigger explosion down in the hole once it's there. And the design is when you have an enemy deep underground and building bunkers, you have to get through all the soil down to a level to provide a dramatic explosive concussion downward. And what Representative Mace was just talking about is Israel's got 5,000 pound bunker. Now a 30,000 pound bunker buster. I mean, that's 15 tons of trouble that comes down initial explosion, delayed fuses, and then the massive explosion. Now what if it doesn't do it? What if it doesn't do it? And you've got this tunnel that goes deep into the, into the mountain. See, see they go penetrating in. And then. And now what, what have you got? You got, okay, who's going to be Luke Skywalker Walker and fly to the center of the Death Star and put the bomb down this, this long tube that goes down. And so the question really is, is what if the bunker busters don't work? What if these things are so deep, do you have to put basically elite infantry on the ground to get there and to go all the way through this thing? Do you have to assault Fodor?
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Nancy Mace
Israel has an elite infantry.
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Tom
That's my point. Yeah. And it's like support them. But I'm. If the bunker busters don't work, Israel has to go in with elite ground troops to go down these tunnels, penetrate the whole thing, and then do it, do it down deep. And that's, that's where it gets nervous for me. But it goes back to my first point. You may not have nuclear weapons and you've built this facility and one way or another, this facility has to be compromised. And I like the idea of helping and supporting. I Hate the idea of doing. Doing it.
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Vinnie
Yeah.
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Patrick Bet-David
So that's so funny. That is so weird. So regardless, they need our weapons, but they got the soldiers. They. They need our weapons, but they got enough of.
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Nancy Mace
You know, they might need one of our pilots to fly the plane.
- [105:44]
Vinnie
Yeah, I was gonna say Pat. And to be honest, I don't even think they had.
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Tom
Did they not elite. Vinnie, help me out. Didn't they get elite soldiers of their own, the equivalent of Green Berets in and they created drone launch point.
- [105:57]
Vinnie
Oh, yeah.
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Nancy Mace
Guys, they had a factory, a drone factory in Iran.
- [106:01]
Vinnie
In Iran, let's not forget. And by the way, they put pagers in Hamas guys. They are so advanced. And, And I don't even think it needs to get to any troops, not even Israeli. The technology they have from the air is absolutely ridiculous. It's one of the best in the world. It's just if they have it, get it over with, not knock out the freaking facilities. I don't want any human beings dying. The less as we can and just get this guy out. We have to get this Khomeini guy out of power. That type of mentality, that type of leadership, it's not, it's not helping anybody that's saying death to America. It's, it's, it's. It's only a matter of time till some. That guy does something stupid to us.
- [106:38]
Tom
I'm not worried about.
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Vinnie
And they're already here.
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Tom
Say it. I'm worried about the people that build capabilities.
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Vinnie
Oh, no. On top of. But mind you, though, that guy, that guy that's saying that to America. How many of those people through the open border for four years you think are here, Nancy? Waiting, waiting, waiting for that call Because a lot of them were giving cell phones. They're all go, here's money. Go, stay wherever you're staying. So Thomas Holman said we're gonna have. He said this from his mouth. The borders are. We have something that's going to be coming that's going to be worse than 911.
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Tom
Sleeper cells can create low technology. That's a fact on citizens.
- [107:08]
Patrick Bet-David
That's horrifying. Did you see this funny exchange when the guy. When the lady's asking, so when are you going to be attacking Iran? Did you see that one clip I love? Because I'm gonna tell you. Of course I'm going to tell you.
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Tom
What time is it?
- [107:20]
Patrick Bet-David
Watch this here.
- [107:23]
Nancy Mace
About whether you are moving closer. You believe the US is moving closer to striking Iranian nuclear facilities. Where's your mindset on that?
- [107:32]
Rob
Can't say that. Right. You don't seriously think I'm going to answer that question? Will you strike the Iranian nuclear component and what time exactly, sir? Sir, would you strike it? Would you please inform us so we.
- [107:45]
Patrick Bet-David
Can be there and watch?
- [107:46]
Rob
I mean, you don't know that I'm going to even do it.
- [107:48]
Patrick Bet-David
You don't know.
- [107:49]
Rob
I may do it, I may not do it. I mean, nobody knows what I'm going to do.
- [107:53]
Patrick Bet-David
So funny.
- [107:54]
Nancy Mace
He's the best.
- [107:55]
Tom
It makes you miss Donald Rumsfeld when Donald Rumsfeld.
- [107:59]
Nancy Mace
Yeah, we don't miss Donald Trump at all.
- [108:01]
Vinnie
No, I don't miss him.
- [108:02]
Tom
No, no, no. I mean, I don't miss what he did. But there was a moment what he said was actually kind of funny where he was told, you know, they're going to be protesting against, against, you know, Americans and everything on Saturday. It's a big demonstration in the middle of the street. He says, so a large group of Al Qaeda in the middle of the street at noon on Saturday are going to be demonstrating. Yes, sir. And he said, would you happen to have the coordinates?
- [108:27]
Vinnie
That's actually pretty smart.
- [108:29]
Patrick Bet-David
I don't know if Donald Rumsell's ever gotten a shout out here ever. You're the first.
- [108:33]
Tom
No, I'm not.
- [108:34]
Patrick Bet-David
You got to take ownership of it, folks.
- [108:37]
Tom
I don't give him a shout out for that. I'm just saying in the annals of politicians at the microphone, I think that's.
- [108:44]
Patrick Bet-David
Qualified as a shout out. Tom. All right, let me go to the next thing here. While this is happening, he is Trump reveals that he knows exactly where the Iran's supreme leader is hiding. Won't take action for now as he convenes with leaders in situation room. It's an easy target is what he said. We know exactly where he is. It's an easy target. We're not going to keep kill him. Take them out kill at least not for now. But we don't want any missiles shot at civilians or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your patience attentions to this matter.
- [109:19]
Nancy Mace
It's like a memo but.
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Patrick Bet-David
And what's crazy is with all this stuff or some of you guys are gamblers, you know, betting odds. Iran's leader Khamenei is ousted this year just skyrocketed according to media. Check this out out Rob, if you can pull up that story here, you.
- [109:33]
Tom
Can bet on anything nowadays.
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Patrick Bet-David
Oh, no, there's definitely this going on. President Trump post on search also we know exactly where he is. Supreme leader Nazi easy target would say we're not going to take him out. Not for now, but now we just don't go and then and demanded unconditional surrender. Polymarket reported traders project Khamenei will be removed from power this year. Over 60% chance of it happening. That is insane. With odds jumping from 22.2to 60% since Israel strikes on Iran began. Look at this. Just in the last and it was declining. January, February, March, April, May declining. Boom. Skyrockets. Polymarket social media stated breaking things are not looking good for supreme leader of Iran as Trump demands an unconditional surrender and later odds Iran's supreme leader out. This should just skyrocket. Deciding Trump post calling Ayatollah Ali Khamenei an easy target. A platform defines removal as if Khamenei resigns, is detained or otherwise loses his position or is prevented from fulfilling his duties as Supreme Leader of Iran by December 31st of 2021. So this is not about just getting killed. Resigns. Step away. There was even rumors that Khomeini was, you know, leaving a country. A lot of his leaders were leaving the country even. There was a story yesterday that Ahmadinejad was killed. We immediately got a, a, a message from his camp saying please make sure you tell the people we're not killed. I'm still around. He was alive. That was a false alert. But what do you think about this poly market Kham? What do you think is a likely that the regime's going to change here before 2026?
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Nancy Mace
I'm surprised it's only 61%.
- [111:11]
Patrick Bet-David
Really.
- [111:11]
Nancy Mace
Oh yeah. The, the, the Iranian people, as soon as he's out, they, I do believe they're going to rise up. You have young women protesting in the street streets in Iran taking their hijabs off. I mean, they are, these young Iranian people are heroes and they are just ready for their moment. And I think their moment's going to get here sooner than anyone else believed.
- [111:32]
Patrick Bet-David
Well, this came out yesterday. Rob, if can you put the full tweet so we can read what the tweet says?
- [111:37]
Tom
Oh, I have to grab that.
- [111:38]
Patrick Bet-David
Yes, you just go to his account and you'll see it. But he posted this video yesterday and said specifically the future looks bright for the Iranian people. Something like that. That with his tweet and then put a video up that I think got 20 million views, if I'm not mistaken. A lot of commentary with that. Can you translate that one? Not that one. There's one on the go a little bit lower, Rob. Or that's the One. Okay, so Islamic Republic has come to an end and is falling. What has begun is irreversible. The future is brighter. And together we will navigate through the sharp turn in history. Now is the time to stand. It is time to take back Iran. May I be with you soon? And if I'm not mistaken, was he in Israel yesterday? Rob, can you pull up that clip? There's a clip of him being in Israel, walking around, I think. Is this recent? Do you know what the timeline of this is, Rob?
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Tom
I'm not sure of the timeline, but this is the clip.
- [112:27]
Patrick Bet-David
Okay, play the clip. This is him in.
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Vinnie
Might be old.
- [112:32]
Patrick Bet-David
Could it be old? I think he's in Israel.
- [112:36]
Nancy Mace
They're at the wall.
- [112:37]
Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, he's at the wall.
- [112:39]
Vinnie
Like, it looks kind of peaceful. Like, I mean, had. Yeah, I'd be a little bit crazy.
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Patrick Bet-David
Question is, I don't know if this is. So you're saying this is maybe in the past when he did this. So who knows? It's. You know, a lot of people are saying that he's going to be the returning to Iran. Some are saying it's going to be some folks internally. But regardless, Nancy, what you're saying is you're thinking this thing's going to get done sooner rather than later.
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Nancy Mace
I do. Because if they take out the supreme leader and they've taken out all of his top brains, there will naturally be a regime change. The people are not going to tolerate this again. They're just. They're tired of it. There are so many political prisoners that are out now. They're going to rise up. I do believe they will rise up, but I believe this is different. I could be wrong. We could be back here a year from now and be like, groveling. I'm so sorry I was wrong, but I don't think that's. I mean, I hope that's not where we're going to be, but I just. They're ready. There are leaders that are sitting in the wings, not just the former king, but there are other. Other leaders within the Free Iran movement who are ready to step forward. And the people, like, they want democracy.
- [113:38]
Patrick Bet-David
Is Congress fairly aligned on the same page on this issue, would you say most of Congress and Senate, even left and right, Are they mostly aligned on this issue or no?
- [113:48]
Nancy Mace
I would say no.
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Patrick Bet-David
On the left or on the right?
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Nancy Mace
Yeah, I just, I think it's going to be a mixed bag on both sides, even on the conservative side, because we're all coming from 20 years, years plus of forever wars. We relied to weapons of mass destruction. Taking Saddam out was the worst thing we could have done. We've all seen that and we've, we're paying billions of dollars to the Taliban now because of George W. Bush in Afghanistan and how all that went down. Nobody wants to see that again. But the Iranian people, it's, it's a different country with different people, different values and they are modern. Modern. They are, you know, savvy. I think it's a much more modern Gulf State if given the opportunity. Look where they were in the 70s. They were just a normal country back in the late 70s. I mean, and so I think that's where they, that's where, that's their history. That's where they come from. That's what they want their future to be.
- [114:45]
Patrick Bet-David
It was Dubai before there was Dubai, except with a massively rich history of a couple thousand years old. Thomas Massie, how, how was your relationship with Massey?
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Nancy Mace
It's fine.
- [114:54]
Patrick Bet-David
Okay, so Massie, this is, this is the part where you see some folks on the camp, they're like on, you know, Massey side. Massey, a Kentucky Republican, announced on X this is not our war. Even if it were, Congress must decide such matters according to our Constitution. I'm filing a resolution with a bipartisan group led by Ro Khanna to block unauthorized hostilities against Iran. Introducing a House resolution under the War power resolution of 19733 to prevent President Donald Trump from engaging in unauthorized hostilities in or against Iran. Co sponsored include Representative Crocana, California Donbire from Virginia, Craig Cesar from Texas, AOC New York, Nydia Velasquez of New York, Lloyd Dugget of Texas, Chewy Garcia of Illinois, Delia Ramirez. I'm probably butchering some of these names. Pramila Jaya Paul of Washington, Summerlee of Pennsylvania, Jim McGovern of Massachusetts, Diana Presley of Massachusetts, Ilhan Omar, Rashid Taleb. I mean, Massie is on the side of Rasheed Taleb, Ilhan Omar and a CUP AOC on this resolution uniting Massie with progressive Democrats seeking to halt US military involvement in Iran Israel conflict, with moderate New York Representative Mike Lahr opposing it, stating Monday, if AOC and Massey are yes, that's a good bet that I'll be a no. I'll wait to see the resolution, but I'm skeptical. Massey has a massive following. A lot of people on his side. What are your thoughts on this?
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Nancy Mace
Well, he's right technically on the war powers part of it. There is the War Powers Act. The President does have to go to Congress and ask permission to go to war. That is a Thing I do, I disagree with the first half of the premise of the document. And in this case, when we're talking about Middle Eastern policy, military policy in Iran having nukes, I am not going to be on the side of Ileana Presley, aoc, Rashida Taliban, Ilhan Omar. I'm not with them. I mean, because we all know what they want and I want none of that. But he's right on the war powers part of it. The President is supposed to come to Congress and get a vote, make the ask. And I respect that and believe that he should do that. Put your vote on the board, let the people know where you stand.
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Patrick Bet-David
Where do you think it'll end if they put the vote out there? You think it'll favor him?
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Nancy Mace
I think it's hard to say at this point because there's, you know, there, there are Republicans who are against any involvement. There are people like me who don't want boots on the ground, but I'm okay giving them a bomb, you know, and I think there's a nuance here and a balance. I think we could get there, but I think it would be hard.
- [117:26]
Vinnie
Is giving them munitions an act of like, does he have to go be.
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Nancy Mace
Seen as an act of war?
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Vinnie
So one, so once we get involved, even at the level of hey, here's a 30, 30, 000 pound bomb.
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Nancy Mace
We're in war for decades now, you know, especially during the forever wars in the Middle east. Like no president went to Congress to ask to do any of this. So it would be best if it were. If we followed the law, followed the Constitution and we do that, that would be the best case scenario.
- [117:55]
Patrick Bet-David
But no president has done that.
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Nancy Mace
Not in the last 20 years, no. 30 years, no.
- [118:00]
Vinnie
So they're breaking the like that's the law. They're all breaking the law by going.
- [118:04]
Nancy Mace
That'S why Washington, what do you think's going on up there?
- [118:06]
Patrick Bet-David
Nobody thinking everybody's law abiding citizens and politicians, you know, everybody has the right statesman motives.
- [118:12]
Nancy Mace
No people's rights are violated every day in this country. We need law and order. That's why Trump is president. He's bringing it to the country.
- [118:19]
Tom
I think we take a look back that there's been two ways that we've handled things internationally. Ronald Reagan goes on microphone and says we're going to take an action in Grenada and they're doing it and we're doing it under my signature. And I got support from Congress.
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Patrick Bet-David
Congress.
- [118:32]
Tom
And then you've got the United Fruit Company and the United Fruit Company for Decades. You know who I'm talking about?
- [118:38]
Vinnie
Lgbtq. Oh, you mean fruit.
- [118:40]
Tom
No, no, no.
- [118:40]
Vinnie
Fruit company. My bad. Just. I'm sorry.
- [118:42]
Tom
Sorry. It's okay. Easy mistake. The United Fruit Company is the CIA and Oliver north and the Iran Contra arms thing. And so we've aided things internationally that way. But this way, right now, this is not the United Fruit Company and the CIA. This is front and center. And I agree with restraining the war powers part of this saying, but I disagree with preventing us of giving, you know, Israel the right tool to do the job. Because let's. Would you. Would you like to know who is provided? What is. What is the number? Maybe, you know, you've been at briefings. 82% of the arms in Israel.
- [119:24]
Patrick Bet-David
Israel are.
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Tom
Is our stuff. The good stuff, and it's the really good stuff. It's not the old F4 Phantoms that you could hear it two days before you can see it. This is like real planes with real, you know, advanced technology forward. And so we're providing this. We sell this to Israel and provide it as a part of foreign aid and hardware. So what is the difference of supplying them with access to a B2 and a bunker buster? I draw the line right there. I don't want the President, without going under the War Powers act, to act properly. But I don't want our guys on the ground over there.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, I think everybody here agrees on that. The only thing that for the first time, we all agreed on here is that the number one is. What? You don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons. No.
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Tom
No.
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Nancy Mace
Nope.
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Tom
Period.
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Patrick Bet-David
At all costs, preferably without our involvement, them doing it. Are you okay if we supply weapons to them? If they need the weapon to get rid of Fordeau?
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Vinnie
If he goes to Congress and gets the approval, yeah.
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Patrick Bet-David
How about he doesn't go to Congress and get the approval?
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Vinnie
I mean, it's breaking the law. I want it to be done. I want. Me personally, I want it done the right way.
- [120:36]
Tom
It's in the annual budget. The foreign aid to Israel is in the annual budget. And a lot of that foreign aid is military stuff. It's all already been approved by Congress. We provide them stuff. Every Monday, they ship stuff. So you have to think about that.
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Nancy Mace
But the problem is they need our pilot to do bunker buster. So that's. That's where the War Powers Act.
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Patrick Bet-David
Even if it's one pilot, we're involved.
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Nancy Mace
We're involved. So, like, it's one thing to sell your munitions, sell your missiles, sell the equipment. We do that when we give Israel and the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization act, three to four billion dollars a year previous to October 7th. We've done more than that. So they do get equipment. They do. We do all that. But once you put. They have to have our pilot in our plane to do it. And so that's where the War Powers act comes in. Well, it's complicated.
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Patrick Bet-David
No, no. What just happened right there is if you need the pilot, that's what I'm.
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Vinnie
Saying, you gotta bring it. You gotta use us.
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Patrick Bet-David
If you need the pilot. Here we go. Listen, X is gonna go bonkers with, you know, the messaging there. There's a lot of people right now that are like, you know, you know, Dave Smith, I think, said the other day, Dave Smith is one of the better debaters out there in the marketplace. He said he voted for Trump and he asked Trump to be impeached. This is what he said a few days ago. I don't know if you saw the score for it, right? No, I supported him this last year. I apologize for doing so. It was a bad calculation at the time. It seemed like the right one. But he should be impeached and removed for this one. And not. Not on some, like, not. Not on some ridiculous Nancy Pelosi. Of course, the Congress will never do it because they're all a bunch of, you know, corrupt hacks.
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Tom
This is the one thing they support. This is like, yeah, Donald Trump should.
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Patrick Bet-David
Be impeached and removed for this. All of his supporters should turn on him. It's the absolute betrayal of everything that he ran and campaigned on and everything that he stood for. And I will say, despite the fact that, that, you know, Donald Trump supporters have been labeled like a cult following, and that certainly is true for a percentage of his supporters. He is going to lose his coalition over this there. I know I don't just speak for myself where I say there are a lot of us who simply will not go along with this. So it's just a devastating mistake. By the way, on top of that, he's also going to lose the deportation fight because of this. Because right now he needed all the political capital he could have to turn that. You know, you got a majority support for deportations, but the minority is very mobilized and they're out and they're protesting all around the country. He needed all of his political capital for that move. So here's what we got. The neocons win more war abroad, you know, bomb the world and invite the world. No matter who you vote for, you always get John McCain. What do you think about what he said he's wrong?
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Nancy Mace
I don't think. Impeached for what? There's nothing that Trump has said on that's impeachable and he's not made a decision on what he's going to do yet. So I think that that statement was premature because Trump hasn't decided. And we don't know is it going to be a very surgical thing or are we going to provide the missiles and bombs that are needed or not? And so very premature. I think what Trump is doing with the deportations helps him, not hurts him. I think the riots that are happening around the country that he referenced don't hurt him. It helps Republicans, it helps maga, it helps Donald Trump, it helps us in our midterm elections in 26 and the presidential election in 28. If you are willing to burn your city down because the President wants to follow the law, you're going to lose elections for a very long time. So I think he is, I think misread the situation. And Trump has even said for 15 years, years, Iran can't have nukes. Now, he doesn't want to be there. I don't want to be there. But if they need a bomb, I'm okay with giving them a bomb. I don't want our men and women on the ground. There's a very big difference, I think, in and you all are. You all serve, not me, but I think there's a very big difference in that.
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Patrick Bet-David
So, by the way, remember, it's very interesting what she said. If you think about technicalities, Nancy and us, we don't want man on the ground. If it's a pilot, it's not really a man on the ground.
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Vinnie
There's no boots on the ground. There's boots in the sky.
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Patrick Bet-David
I don't want any man on the ground, but I wouldn't mind. It's a couple boots. We almost may have boots in a plane.
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Nancy Mace
I want to see that £30,000 bunker buster. I mean, I want to see it work. I want to see it work.
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Patrick Bet-David
It's going to be. It's going to be bonkers is what it's going to happen.
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Tom
Trick the Democrats with their own, with their own techniques. And so we'll have. Colonel Smithers says at this moment I identify as an Israeli.
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Patrick Bet-David
Well, let me.
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Nancy Mace
I'm not a neocon Like I have, I have coastline sponsored many a war powers resolution. Like, I believe in following the letter of the law and I did not believe in the forever wars. This is just different.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay, All Right. Well, let's read this about immigration. Watch this number here. Some people are going to be disappointed with this.
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Nancy Mace
Okay.
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Patrick Bet-David
US May lose more, more migrants than it gains for the first time in 50 years. Okay. This is from Daily Mail. Economist Wendy edelberg told the WaPo. For a year as a whole, 2025, we think it's likely immigration will be negative, predicting the US Will lose more migrants. Immigrants than it gains for the first time in 50 years due to Trump's policies, including revoking legal status, threatening international student deportations, and cracking down on illegal southern border crossings. ICE Director Todd M. Lyons stated, we're just 100 days into this administration, and thanks to President Trump and Secretary Noem, ICE is using every tool at its disposal to enforce our country's immigration laws. With 66,463 UN undocumented migrants arrested and 66,65,682 removed in Trump's first 100 days, Trump's border crackdown reduced Customs and Border protection encounters to 12,035 in April, down from 179,737 from prior year. What was that sound?
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Vinnie
I said, oh, I thought you almost.
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Patrick Bet-David
Had a hard time.
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Tom
I'm okay. Well, I'm still with you.
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Patrick Bet-David
While deportation surge with over 50,000 migrants. Tonight's detention centers by June 5th. This is NBC News, June 17th. And by the way, I don't know if you saw the New York Post story from three days ago, which a million people have self deported.
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Nancy Mace
Oh, yes, I saw that.
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Patrick Bet-David
So what do you. Does this concern you that we're going to have a net migration number this year?
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Nancy Mace
No, I think it's great. But the thing is this, the media, the mainstream media want to blame Trump. These are not Trump policies. This is the letter of the law. This is our country, country's own laws. And if you don't follow the law in your country, you don't have a country at all. It's just like the state of South Carolina. We don't follow the laws in South Carolina. We don't have a state. So he's just following the letter of the law. But also, it also, while we're deporting, we also recognize there are jobs that need to be filled, that Americans need the opportunity to fill. And if we can't fill them, then we need people to come here with work visas, come here, legal work, go back home. We have a lot of that actually in my district because we're heavy tourism. For nine months out of the year, we're bringing in Jamaicans and from other countries, and they're doing food and bev industry for nine months. They go home for three months, they come back. It works really well. But no, he's. He's doing the country a service and a favor. I love what he's doing. I love the self deportation. I love the gold card. Bring your money here, get citizenship.
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Patrick Bet-David
Know with your five million bucks. Y. I gotta love it. Tom, you made a look. Tom, what was that look about? You made a look like you disagree with what she said. And let me tell you, I.
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Tom
Did you hear the noise?
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Nancy Mace
I saw it in the side. Ey.
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Patrick Bet-David
Not going to lie, Nancy. Respectfully, I'm a married man. He's been trying to avoid looking at you the entire podcast because he doesn't want. He wants to stay as focused as possible. Go ahead, Tom.
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Tom
No, I think this is good. This is good. It's neutral, right? The ones removed and the ones that came in lawfully, it's neutral whether it's a temporary work visa or not.
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Patrick Bet-David
You made a look. Tell us what that look was.
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Vinnie
Yeah, it was. She.
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Patrick Bet-David
I felt it as well.
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Vinnie
Oh, she. She just straight up felt.
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Patrick Bet-David
What was the look about?
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Tom
I don't know. She was talking about the Jamaicans and the seasonal labor, which I'm. I'm in favor of Making me crazy.
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Patrick Bet-David
Tom said it was hospitality.
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Tom
So what you making margaritas? Probably.
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Patrick Bet-David
So it's got it. But what do you think about it? Because. Because when you think about. When you think about the. There's a. There's a couple ways to look at this. If I'm. If I'm the enemy, if I am on the other, opposite side, like, I would literally use this. If I'm on the Democratic side, if I am on the liberal side. I'm saying, think about. You have a restaurant that for, you know, nearly 249 years, everybody wanted to come to this restaurant, but we don't have room in this restaurant, right? And then all of a sudden, a new leader comes in, and now people are no longer coming to the restaurant. They're leaving to the restaurant across the street. Let's just say. If they're going to spin that, right? Because that's a way of spinning it on the opposite side. Is this something that the opposite side can spin and say, look what we've done to the country, that immigrants no longer want to come to America because they don't think the American dream is real? Do you process it that way, Tom?
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Tom
No, I don't. Because I would invite them to come and look at the asylum applications. My understanding is asylum applications from our level year over year, meaning the people that are there. I'd like to immigrate from this country where I'm seriously persecuted. And here's my evidence to it. My understanding that there is still that right. We're not closing the wall at the border. We're allowing people to come through the door and be checked and to do it lawfully. That's simple. Give us your tired, your poor war lives on, but let's do it legally. And if you need asylum, if you're being persecuted, we've got procedures for that come over. And so I look at this and what it says to me is that the uncontrolled immigration issue of the Biden administration is coming under control to be the lawful immigration according to the pre existing laws that are being being enforced by a new sheriff in town. And his name is Donald Trump. And he's not making new laws, he's enforcing the ones he was elected to enforce.
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay, Tom was woken up. That's all I wanted. That's what we were waiting for. Tom, that was like, that was like a scene, that was a scene from old school where Will Ferrell is debating and then they ask him a question and he's like, you know, I just came out of it, but it was great. So, Tom, couple things before we wrap up. Nancy, I, I want to get your thoughts on this as well. I'm sure you're a big fan of this guy. Jim Acosta, former CNN star slammed for a vile joke about Trump's dead ex wife. What a, what a title in the first place. I mean, look how low you've gotten where you're going here. Jim Acosta, on the contrary and podcast no Kings Day pair on Monday, remarked on President Donald Trump's immigration policy, saying, where are the ICE rates at Trump's properties? Could somebody call ICE on Trump's golf course in Virginia? You're telling me there's nobody in there that's undocumented or some of the kind of squirreliness going on on their paperwork? Then reference Trump's latex wife Ivana, stating he's got one buried at his golf course in New Jersey. What a talks like this. Isn't she buried at the first time? I don't even want to say this. Play this. I don't want to read this. Watch this clip.
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Vinnie
Look on these people.
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Patrick Bet-David
I got a question though.
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Tom
Where are the ICE raids at the Trump properties? Could somebody call ICE on the Trump.
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Nancy Mace
Golf course in Virginia?
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Tom
You're telling me there's nobody in Virginia there that is undocumented or has some kind of swirliness going on with their paperwork.
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Patrick Bet-David
Give me a break. Hey, how many. How many immigrants has he married?
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Tom
He's got one buried at his golf.
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Patrick Bet-David
Course in New Jersey.
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Tom
Isn't she buried by the first hole.
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Nancy Mace
Or the second te.
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Patrick Bet-David
Or something like that?
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Nancy Mace
The first hole?
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, it's the first hole.
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Tom
Immigrants always doing the jobs that Americans.
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Patrick Bet-David
Don'T want to do. God, how do you respond to that's.
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Nancy Mace
I mean, that's embarrassing. It's disgusting. I mean, they just, they. They hate him so much, they just can't help themselves, which is why they're going to continue to lose. I'm. I'm kind of like, okay with say that. Put it on a microphone, air it everywhere. Every YouTube channel, Onyx, you play that way. Because all it's going to do is to bring more independents and more former Democrats into the Republican Party tent.
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Vinnie
Yep.
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Nancy Mace
And we need him.
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Vinnie
And we need him and you and you nailed it. First of all, just. Just that shot right there, Rob, just that thumbnail. Look at ang. Angry black woman. I don't even know what that. What she is. She. I don't know. Male. Whatever. That is crazy. And then. And then Jim Aasa. And you're right, Nancy, I got. You got to give. I actually love the guy. It's because of him that Donald Trump at that press conference said, I'm not going to give any questions. You're fake news. It was born because of the. That hack. Now, that's in a substack. I think Gavin Newsom's in there. Once you hear I'm doing a substack, it's over. Nobody wants to see your face anymore.
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Nancy Mace
What they have done, and I've seen this with young people. I have two teenage kids. They have made this young generation more conservative than you and I could ever imagine. I mean, like, they're following Ben Shapiro. They're crazy about Charlie Kirk. They love maga. I mean, it is incredible because. Because they see the way they've been treated growing up, and they're like, nope, no more. Not doing this. And they see the hero that Trump is. And that kind of attitude, those kind of comments have made this next generation more conservative than any of us here at this table today. And I am grateful for it.
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Vinnie
Thank God.
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Patrick Bet-David
Gotta love it. Well, listen, thanks to Jim Acosta, we have fake news. Last thing I want to wrap up with this story because I'm also curious to know what you guys think about this in. In D.C. so for the longest time when you're campaigning, it's about going on fox, going on cnn, going on msnbc, going on all these different places, right? So streaming surpasses combined broadcast and cable viewing for the first time ever. New York Times said it's official. Streaming is now the king of tv. Damn, that's pretty wild. And by the way, I got an announcement that I'll make. Maybe Tom will say it before I say it, but here we go. So Stream. Okay. Nielsen's Tuesday report revealed that in May, streaming services accounted for higher share of television viewing than cable and broadcast networks combined. And John Coban noting it is the first time that has happened. Over a full month in 2021, stream and held 26% of TV time compared to nearly two thirds of cable and broadcast, a gap that has now closed. And Stream Gaming surpassed traditional TV viewership in just four years. Wow. Viewers over 65, who represent 1/3 of total TV viewing, drove the shift with Nielsen stating their YouTube watch time last month grew 106% from May of 2023, equaling the viewing hours of children under 11 years old. Since 2023, this age group has been the fastest growing for YouTube and TV says particularly favoring free non subscription platforms like YouTube. The Surgeon. Stream streaming was initially led by younger viewers, but the adoption by older viewers who watch more television than any other group solidified the overtake as older viewers have been moving to streaming in droves in the last few years. How do you guys view as you're campaigning, as you're going, you're doing your thing? Is it still the talks about going on Fox, going on mainstream? Or is the. Is everybody bought into the fact that the way to do is podcasts, you know, different YouTube channels to go?
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Nancy Mace
I do a lot less mainstream media now. Like, I don't. I get an ABC News or CBS News request. I'm like, man, I'm good. I do Fox News though, still. I think they've got a great reach, their online reach as well. But last year when I, I run my own races, when I had my campaign, we only did cord cutters for the tv. We did just streaming only and some digital stuff. We didn't do any. I didn't do cable or broadcast really, any of that. Hardly. I put more of my effort into streaming and in fact, like Spotify too. I mean, YouTube to reach every possible audience I could because of all the cord cutters. I'm in a pretty, I think, wealthy modern district. We have a lot of cord cutters and that's where I focused most of my investment. When I got my reelection, I won by a larger margin last year than I ever have.
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Patrick Bet-David
How big was the margin?
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Nancy Mace
27%. 26. 27% in my primary, Republican primary, I had somebody spend over 7 million against me in that race. It was tough. And then my general election, I won by 18 points. Now, mind you, four years ago, I won by one when I, I flipped a Democrat seat. So I won by one the first time four years ago by my reelection this past year, I won by almost.
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Patrick Bet-David
20 in the primary. Used 7 million against you?
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Nancy Mace
Over 7 million was spent against me.
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Vinnie
Damn.
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Nancy Mace
Over one vote.
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Patrick Bet-David
Wow, Tom.
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Nancy Mace
So.
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Tom
Well, first of all, congratulations for that. We know Beth Van Dyne and she had a similar experience where she won by a razor as Pelosi was pouring money into, into a Dallas 24. And then, and then when the vote was counted, the next one, she destroyed them once they saw what she was going to do. What's interesting here, we'll give you a little focus group on this. We had dinner just the other night with a prom. We won't name names, but prominent, very prominent media individual from the agency side in LA. And he talked about his older parents have two TVs. One his mom was watching YouTube and watching podcasts and the other one they had basically general news on all day, but there was people over 65 sitting there watching it. And that's similar for my mom. My mom watches on the small. And so now the words talk number scream and you've got now streaming is the, the battle's over because you're looking at stats that are looking, you know, 60, 90 days in the past. And what's happening going forward is the, the cable subs are going down. You see it every quarterly report that the Comcast makes and your DirecTV a shell of its old previous self. And so now you've got the new audiences are choosing podcasts and more importantly is they see the podcast as sources of more authenticity and they're increasingly skeptical of what's going on. And we know CNN's For Sale. It's just been packaged up in a little package and they're going to spin it on the stock market as a separate company. Company. And that's where they're going with that. And by the way, when they were trying to sell cnn, they actually said don't worry about the contracts, we'll mitigate the contracts. And we've got Caitlin basically on the rookie deal, only at about $3 million a year. So they're even selling against themselves and the era of high dollar Anderson Coopers are over. You know, those contracts are going to be out, they're going to be cut. And then you're like, jim Acosta has to go find another audience on a freaking podcast. He can't, he can't say that on mainstream media because they won't have him on. So even he is nerfing for moisture, looking out on a podcast, trying to find some place to let him speak. So I think this is a wonderful thing. But more than just the shift to cord cutters, it is a shift of America looking for authenticity and looking for opinion that they can trust.
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Patrick Bet-David
Did somebody give you like two additional cups of coffee last?
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Vinnie
I think they did.
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Patrick Bet-David
Seven minutes, 11 minutes. Something happened.
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Tom
I'm out of coffee.
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Nancy Mace
That was spot on.
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Patrick Bet-David
Go. Did you hear about what Netflix announced?
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Nancy Mace
No, what Netflix announced.
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Patrick Bet-David
So Netflix has got 350 million viewers, right? Massive. Now they're talking about, they're thinking about getting into the podcast game.
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Nancy Mace
Really?
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Patrick Bet-David
So imagine now you're watching Netflix and like, let me watch Rogan, let me watch flagrant. Let me watch. You know, Theo, let me watch now. Right there. Netflix is eyeing video podcasts as it expands beyond on TV and film. As YouTube dominates the podcast space, Netflix sees an opportunity to woo creators and blur the lines between talk shows and podcasts. Coming to a TV near you folks.
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Nancy Mace
Huge built in audience for any podcaster that can get on Netflix, for sure.
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Patrick Bet-David
Yeah, it's going to be interesting. Well, this has been a blast having you on and we're going to have you back on next year to see whether you can apologize. I was right. So we got to follow up.
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Nancy Mace
Bring flowers or not.
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Vinnie
Yeah, exactly.
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Patrick Bet-David
It's gonna be one of us. But it was a blast having you on, folks. The last thing before we wrap up, we, we had a weird podcast we did the other day with Scott Storch. I think Rob. Scott Storches went Tomorrow, tomorrow at 9:00am Tomorrow, 9:00am with Scott Storch. So if you know Scott, storage to hip hop, it's a completely different world. We've had the weirdest guests. We had Dwine, Howard, Meta World Peace, Nancy, Scott Storch. Just like, you know, we just like to talk to people. That's what we like to do. But anyways, gang, it was great having you on. We will not do any home team between now and next Tuesday. Have a great weekend. Take care, everybody. Bye bye. Bye bye.