Travis Hahler has spent 15+ years leading transformation at scale. Simultaneously, he built the scientific framework that explains why transformation fails at the neurological level. His new book, Rethinking Resistance: Embracing Neuroscience to Lead Transformational Change is out now.

Mentioned on the Show

Your one-stop for all of Travis Hahler’s links is here: https://linktr.ee/theneurologicalnomad
Travis’ book, Rethink Resistance is available on Amazon: https://a.co/d/02iE70p7
Connect with Travis on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travisdhahler
Listen to the People Business episode with Achyuta Adhvaryu: https://peoplebusinesspodcast.com/achyutaadhvaryu/
O’Brien and Travis bond over mutual admiration of the book The Rabbit Listened. Available on Amazon here: https://a.co/d/09zgnSuV
Check out Shots of Awe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/ShotsOfAwe

Timestamps

(00:00:00) – Travis Hahler, the Neurological Nomad sits down with O’Brien McMahon on People Business Podcast

(00:02:01) — Travis Hahler origin story: why did he write a book on change?

(00:04:45) — What physical/physiological things happen in people's brains when asked to change a routine?

(00:06:23) — What is the physical work of the brain when encountering change (including calorie consumption)?

(00:11:01) — Inclusion: what good inclusion looks like during the change planning process.

(00:12:59) — What if everyone can't be included?

(00:21:29) — Process of learning: step-by-step, how does learning happen?

(00:22:36) — Taking breaks: what really works.

(00:27:38) — Timing: when change happens too quickly or too slow

(00:33:13) — Avoiding overwhelm: how to pace change properly

(00:39:04) — How can ambiguity be avoided?

(00:42:23) — How to communicate change effectively

(00:44:33) — Clarity, consistency, and safety

(00:48:39) — What do grief and loss have to do with change?