Podcast
People Driven Development
Hosted by Eddie Flaisler, Morgan VanDerLeest · EN
There are a number of ways to develop software: Test-driven, Behavior-driven, Product-driven, Customer-driven (to name a few). But once you move into engineering leadership, you're no longer dealing with software directly.
It's all about People Driven Development.
How do you work with people to drive this engineering product forward?
How do you manage people so they feel seen, respected, emotionally safe, challenged, and empowered?
How do you deliver business results and also focus relentlessly on people?
Eddie and Morgan try to help their fellow engineering leaders through difficult situations where the problem isn't really technology at all.
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The Business Case for Kindness - A PDD Holiday Special
Dec 2800:58:33Tap to summarizeEddie and Morgan explore the concept of intentional communication within engineering management, sparked by Will Larson's post 'Good Engineering Management is a Fad.' They emphasize interpersonal communication's impact on individual and group performance. Touching on the Gottman method's 'Four Horsemen,' and Nadella's promotion of Nonviolent Communication at Microsoft, this episode is crucial for understanding practical, intentional communication strategies for both planned and reactive scenarios in the workplace.
Transcribe →MergeSort: M&As from an Engineering Standpoint
Sep 2800:51:49Tap to summarizeEddie and Morgan return to discuss the intricate aspects of mergers and acquisitions (M&A) from the perspective of engineering leadership. This episode builds on their previous discussions, shifting the focus to the challenges faced by companies integrating new technology and teams. They cover motivation types for M&A, emphasizing economies of scale, industry consolidation, vertical integration, and eliminating inefficiencies. They explore the complexities of assimilating acquired technology, the importance of maintainability and extensibility, and setting up a defensible moat. From an organizational standpoint, they address potential pitfalls like the ‘us versus them’ dynamic, handling the expert archetype, and supporting team members experiencing burnout. They also discuss best practices for vetting teams and strategically planning for technology integration.
Transcribe →Outnumbered & Outgunned
May 15, 202501:03:56Tap to summarizeEddie and Morgan dive into a challenging listener's question about navigating a reverse merger opportunity amidst failing technology due diligence in a small FinTech startup.Special guest Robin Atwood, a seasoned engineering leader at Nuro, joins to shed light on technology due diligence, touching on critical topics like security, operational resilience, and compliance. They discuss prioritization and leadership strategies to balance immediate business needs with long-term technical improvements. The episode dives deep into managing external contractors, leveraging AI, organizational alignment, and maintaining transparency with stakeholders in high-stress situations.(00:00) - Welcome and Introduction (00:08) - Meet Robin Atwood: Engineering Leader at Nuro (01:49) - Listener's Dilemma: FinTech Startup Struggles (04:10) - The Importance of Technology Due Diligence (05:28) - Robin's Advice on Operational Resilience (09:27) - Leadership and Prioritization in Startups (11:57) - The Role of Compliance and Security (23:09) - Collaboration and Context in Engineering (32:02) - API Frustrations and Workarounds (33:22) - Empathy in Leadership (33:44) - Importance of Buy-In and Alignment (35:44) - Simplifying and Prioritizing in Startups (39:18) - Operating Models and Organizational Maturity (51:17) - Managing External Help (55:57) - Handling Urgency and Stakeholder Expectations (59:48) - AI in IT and Innovation (01:03:20) - Conclusion and Listener Engagement
Transcribe →Is That Ethical?
Apr 4, 202500:45:46Tap to summarizeMorgan and Eddie delve into the complex topic of ethics in engineering leadership. They explore the four primary goals of ethical tech development: protecting people from harm, treating people fairly, enabling people to understand and challenge decisions, and safeguarding rights and freedoms. They cover frameworks such as IEEE, ACM, and IFIP's codes of ethics, biases in AI, algorithmic fairness, and practical measures like smart data retention, transparency, and accountability. The episode underscores the importance of ethical decision-making in technology and fosters a deeper understanding of how engineering leaders can navigate moral gray areas.(00:00) - Introduction and Episode Overview (00:30) - Listener's Ethical Dilemma (02:21) - Defining Ethics in Engineering (04:27) - Professional Codes of Ethics (06:54) - Ethical Goals in Technology (08:50) - Protecting People from Harm (12:14) - Preventative Measures and Risk Assessment (14:00) - Granular User Access and Auditability (15:00) - Data Retention and User Experience (16:40) - Fail-Safe Defaults and Bounded Autonomy (19:34) - Treating People Fairly and Addressing Bias (21:32) - Understanding Bias in the Workplace (22:56) - The Impact of Bias on Organizational Fairness (23:27) - Managing Bias as a Leader (26:44) - Algorithmic Fairness: Challenges and Solutions (29:16) - Tools and Frameworks for Fairness (31:25) - The Importance of Transparency in AI (32:44) - Enabling Users to Challenge AI Decisions (40:10) - Engineering for the Greater Good (40:56) - Practical Tips for Ethical Enginee
Transcribe →The Manager of Managers
Mar 11, 202500:50:57Tap to summarizeEddie and Morgan discuss a listener's question about managing managers in engineering. They explore various frameworks and strategies necessary for overseeing managers, touching upon crucial elements like clarity, alignment, and execution. They dig into the potential pitfalls of mismanaging through, and the importance of psychological safety, autonomy, and succession planning. With concrete examples and practical advice, this episode is essential for anyone navigating the complexities of engineering leadership.(00:00) - Introduction (00:07) - Understanding the Role of a Manager of Managers (00:41) - Listener's Question: Transitioning from IC to Senior Director (01:15) - Challenges of Managing Managers (01:51) - Defensible Organizational Design (02:41) - Frontline Managers vs. Managers of Managers (04:45) - The Value of Managers of Managers (05:40) - The Reality of Senior Management (11:28) - Diagnosing and Coaching Managers of Managers (12:12) - Clarity, Alignment, and Execution (17:24) - Measuring Clarity in Management (20:13) - Alignment in Management (26:10) - The Importance of a Writing Culture (27:18) - Transparent Decision Logs (28:17) - Standardized Release Cadence (29:45) - Execution Challenges (35:18) - Managing Through: The Micromanagement Trap (43:37) - Succession Planning and Using Power for Good (49:27) - Final Thoughts and Listener Feedback
Transcribe →Managing Mistakes
Jan 30, 202500:45:36Tap to summarizeEddie and Morgan delve into a listener's question about dealing with costly mistakes at work, particularly focusing on the tension between accountability and blame within engineering teams. They analyze a real-world dilemma faced by a new director of engineering at a series B startup and extend the discussion to include learnings from the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster. They discuss the difference between meta root causes of mistakes, strategies to create a risk-aware culture, and the importance of psychological safety. They also reflect on the principle of 'move fast and break things' and its relevance to different business models.(00:00) - Listener's Question: Balancing Proactiveness and Reactiveness (01:34) - Meeting the Team Where It Is (02:49) - Introduction to the Space Shuttle Columbia Disaster (04:52) - Organizational Barriers and Failures (07:12) - Analyzing Public Postmortems (08:08) - Root Causes of Production Problems (14:35) - Meta Root Causes and Organizational Impact (19:08) - Applying Meta Root Causes to the Columbia Disaster (21:00) - Relevance to Smaller Companies (23:22) - The Importance of Risk Management (23:49) - Meta Root Cause: Prioritization Challenges (24:53) - Psychological Safety in the Workplace (25:51) - DEI Programs and Industry Trends (26:43) - Generational Differences in Work Culture (29:36) - Decision-Making Frameworks (30:31) - Addressing Burnout and Low Drive (35:32) - Handling Mistakes and Accountability (43:35) - The Role of Mistakes in Engineering Cultures
Transcribe →The ReOrg
Jan 10, 202500:54:41Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Eddie and Morgan dive into the complexities of departmental reorganizations (reorgs). They provide an overview of the motivations and emotions behind reorgs, addressing why they often evoke strong reactions among employees. They different types of reorgs, such as rightsizing and rethinking, and explore the countervailing metrics that should be tracked to ensure the effectiveness of reorgs. They also touch on broader themes like effective communication, inclusivity, and the impact of emerging AI technologies on organizational design. Learn practical strategies for managing reorgs, maintaining team morale, and aligning organizational changes with business goals.(00:00) - Intro (00:22) - Understanding Reorganizations: Definition and Emotional Impact (01:13) - The Fear of Change and Its Consequences (03:57) - Transparency in Reorganizations: Pros and Cons (10:19) - Techniques for Effective Reorganizations (12:56) - Countervailing Metrics: Measuring the Impact of Reorgs (14:11) - Types of Reorganizations: Rightsizing and Rethinking (22:43) - Relocation and Mix and Match Reorgs (26:13) - Diving into Neurodivergent Inclusion (27:28) - Effective Communication During Change (27:58) - Handling Resistance and Skepticism (29:13) - Creating Safe Spaces for Feedback (30:03) - Strategies for Organizational Reorganization (31:11) - Exploring the Spotify Model (32:14) - Challenges with the Matrix Model (36:42) - The Role of Tiger Teams (40:07) - Layoffs and Organizational Defensibility (49:35) - AI Era Organizational Design (54:13) - Closing thoughts
Transcribe →Where's my innovation?
Dec 13, 202400:54:38Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Morgan and Eddie address a question from a newly appointed VP of Engineering at a Series C company who is struggling to foster innovation. The discussion explores the challenges of reinvigorating stagnant growth while maintaining current product stability. They delve into the concepts of balancing immediate business needs with future innovations, employing the Toyota Production System (TPS) pillars—Jidoka and Just-In-Time—and methods such as value stream mapping, cost of delay analysis, and Monte Carlo simulations. The episode underscores the importance of adaptable engineering cultures and data-driven decision-making to unlock the next stage of company growth.(00:00) - Introduction (00:02) - The Challenge of Innovation in R&D (00:33) - A VP's Dilemma: Stagnation and Experimentation (01:19) - The Stakes of Innovation (02:10) - Understanding the Motivation for Innovation (02:46) - The Technology Product Lifecycle (04:39) - Balancing Innovation and Operational Efficiency (07:09) - The Three Horizons Framework (11:21) - The Importance of Adaptability (14:54) - Lessons from the Toyota Production System (16:48) - Implementing Jidoka: Automation with a Human Touch (24:50) - The Role of Decision Making in Innovation (29:55) - Handling Feedback and Authority (32:22) - Introduction to Just-in-Time Management (34:00) - Value Stream Mapping Explained (40:52) - Cost of Delay Analysis (51:02) - Monte Carlo Simulations
Transcribe →Switching context
Nov 17, 202400:39:49Tap to summarizeEddie and Morgan discuss the challenges of productivity and time management in R&D organizations. The conversation delves into the inefficiencies caused by context switching, the value of large blocks of uninterrupted work, effective management practices, and the significance of having well-defined organization and communication norms. They introduce the concept of 'team hours' to improve productivity, and touch upon tools and approaches to minimize disruptions and maintain a focused work environment.Key points include the detrimental effects of instant messaging, the need for a consistent approach across all teams, and the potential of focused time management to enhance overall efficiency.(00:00) - Introduction and Today's Topic (00:51) - The AI Dilemma: Replacing Humans (01:58) - Macro vs. Micro Perspectives on AI (03:07) - Effective Management Strategies (04:54) - Listener's Question: Engineering Team Productivity (08:25) - The Cost of Context Switching (16:04) - Implementing Team Hours for Focused Work (20:19) - The Importance of Team Alignment (20:38) - Challenges of Global Team Coordination (22:09) - The Debate on No Meetings Day (23:52) - Instant Messaging: A Double-Edged Sword (26:07) - Effective Communication Strategies (31:30) - Managing Channels and Reducing FOMO (36:52) - Technical Aspects and Tooling (39:09) - Conclusion and Listener Engagement
Transcribe →Systemic Imposter Syndrome
Oct 11, 202400:39:16Tap to summarizeMorgan and Eddie focus on the topic of imposter syndrome in engineering organizations. The discussion centers on the impact of imposter syndrome and associated mindsets—perfectionists, superheroes, natural geniuses, and experts—on team dynamics and productivity. They examine the organizational roles in fostering or mitigating imposter syndrome, including the importance of structured onboarding, inclusive communication, and user-friendly code practices. Additionally, Eddie highlights the crucial need for supporting neurodivergent individuals in the workplace. The conversation aims to provide practical insights and solutions for engineering leaders to foster healthier, more supportive environments.(00:00) - Introduction (00:08) - Grace Hopper Celebration and Listener's Question (01:55) - Understanding Imposter Syndrome (05:12) - Exploring Imposter Syndrome Archetypes (22:19) - The Role of Organizations in Imposter Syndrome (30:18) - Addressing Systemic Causes and Solutions (34:09) - Neurodivergence and Workplace Inclusion (38:29) - Conclusion and Call to Action
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