What happens when a small crew of "hippie carpenters" grows into a nationally admired, employee-owned company that changes lives, families, and communities? In this inspiring episode, Fletcher sits down with John Abrams, founder of Abrams+Angell, formerly of South Mountain Company, who spent 50+ years proving that business can be both profitable and profoundly people-centered.

John shares how he transitioned his company into a worker cooperative long before employee ownership was common, how that decision transformed culture, turnover, customers, and leadership—and why he believes employee ownership is the path to a more equitable future.

From open-book business practices to "subsidized housing for the rich," near-collapse during the 2008 recession, and rebuilding with shared sacrifice, John's story is a masterclass in purpose-driven leadership.

Guest Takeaways:

How employee ownership unlocks deep commitment and long-term retention
Why culture, transparency, and shared responsibility attract ideal clients
What truly differentiates co-ops, ESOPs, and employee ownership trusts
How founders can create lasting impact and a strong succession plan
Why building with kindness, humanity, and collaboration changes communities

A must-listen for leaders who want to build something that outlives them.

Build Together Thrive Forever Creating an Employee Owned Future with John Abrams

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