If your organization still views HR as the compliance cops standing by to squash complaints about an AI mandate, this episode is going to upend that thinking. David sits down with Tim Fisher—Head of AI at Black & White Zebra and longtime observer of organizational behavior—to dissect the real challenge of AI adoption in business. What he’s learned from being an “HR outsider” is simple but staggering: most companies are treating AI like a tech rollout when the real work is massive human change at scale—the kind of transformation HR has always lived in, even if others failed to notice.

From the cavernous disconnect between what HR is being asked to do with AI and what they’re actually equipped to do, to why HR leaders must be at the table before strategy is set (not as cleanup crew), today’s conversation strips away the myth of AI as just another productivity tool. Tim and David map the human, technical, and leadership gaps that are shaping every AI effort today—and why success in 2026 will look nothing like a rushed compliance sprint.

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