In this special bonus episode, Kaila and Kyle sit down with Industrious president Anna Squires Levine to discuss the role that connection plays at work, the future of offices and hybrid vs. remote work, the role of leadership in the modern workplace, and advice on making career pivots.

00:00 Intro

01:16 University of Chicago Booth School of Business study on human connection

07:45 What most companies get wrong about how to design a great working environment

10:31 Advice for companies trying to introduce more fun into their culture

12:42 How should leaders think about creating a great workplace given the mixture of hybrid, remote, and in-office employees?

15:57 Game: Ask Anna

22:43 How Anna approaches building a culture of energy (vs. one of burnout)

25:37 Anna’s advice for those looking to make a career pivot

29:47 What parenting has taught Anna about navigating work

This episode was sponsored by Industrious. Try out Industrious for yourself with a day pass OR a meeting room booking, now 50% off for Per My Last Email listeners. Visit industriousoffice.com/pmle to get your discount or free tour.

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