In this episode, Kaila and Kyle get into personal finance—the money lessons they learned the hard way throughout their careers, and how they approach managing their savings, investments, and spending now.

00:00 Intro

02:36 A big wake-up call money moment in Kaila’s life

07:27 Kyle’s big wake-up call money moment

10:21 Kaila’s experience with lifestyle creep

13:56 An important salary negotiation in Kyle’s career

18:10 Learning to how to spend based on your values

21:40 Structuring your compensation

25:18 How Kaila and Kyle structure their savings and personal finances

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