In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by author Brad Stulberg to dig into what we get wrong about “excellence,” what true excellence really looks like, and the achievable strategies to achieve it. Also check out Brad’s new book, The Way of Excellence: A Guide to True Greatness and Deep Satisfaction in a Chaotic World.

00:00 Intro

02:08 How Brad define’s “excellence”

05:47 What is “zombie burnout”?

07:59 How to avoid a sh**** flow state

11:05 Identity house

18:38 Should we be thinking in terms of a “minimum effective dose”?

21:42 The real meaning of grit

25:32 How do you know if you’ve found fit in a given profession?

28:01 Brad’s views on failure

31:35 Can a growth mindset ever handicap you?

33:44 The first step towards excellence

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