In this episode, Kyle sits down with venture capitalist and author Bill Gurley to talk about how to figure out your passion, what people get wrong about networking, and why pursuing your dream career isn’t such an idealistic idea.

00:00 Intro

01:23 How do we recognize if we have a “passion”?

04:40 Do we spend enough time in a sampling period?

08:48 Something Bill advises young people to ask of older adults

09:14 How Bill responds to the pushback that people should aim for a stable, money-making career instead of their dream jobs

11:21 On mentorship and networking

17:09 Bill’s “Go where the action is” principle

21:54 Advice to people early in their career with regards to emerging technologies

Be sure to check out Bill’s new book, Runnin’ Down a Dream: How to Thrive in a Career You Actually Love.

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