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Episode: Authority Alone Drives Out Demons | The Monday After
Host: Father Rob Ketcham
Date: February 24, 2026
Parish: Christ the King, Commack, NY

Overview

In this episode, Father Rob Ketcham reflects on the Gospel’s depiction of Jesus' temptation in the desert and discusses the topics of evil, spiritual authority, and the most powerful means of driving out demons. Rather than fostering fear or fascination with the diabolic, he emphasizes Christ’s authority—flowing through the structures and relationships God has instituted—as the true force against evil. Father Rob also shares personal stories, biblical examples, and parish experiences to illustrate how obedience to God’s rightful order brings grace and protection.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Discomfort with Talking About Evil

• Personal Aversion: Father Rob admits his own discomfort talking about the devil and evil, preferring to focus on God and good (“I don't really like talking about the devil…” [00:04]).
• Cultural Fascination: He warns that both ignorance of evil and unhealthy fascination with it are forms of demonic strategy. The devil draws people in by either denying his existence or promoting morbid curiosity, especially via exorcism content online.

  “The people that I know who are obsessed with the demonic and the diabolic tend to have the most disordered lives.” [03:21]

Dangers of “Fighting Fire with Fire”

• Drive Out Demons by Demons: Cites Jesus’ teaching that evil cannot effectively dispel evil (e.g., giving up one vice for another or seeking spiritual help from non-divine sources).
• Escaping vs. Trading Demons: Attempting to conquer evil through unhealthy obsessions or superstitious means only worsens the spiritual state.

  “All these things are trying to drive out demons by demons, and then they only make things worse.” [06:10]

Authority in the Gospel

• Christ’s Model: Jesus overcomes temptation not by directly engaging evil but by submitting to the authority of the Father, quoting Scripture and orienting himself vertically.
  • Temptations in the desert (stones to bread, leaping from the temple, worshipping Satan) are all answered with deference to God’s authority ([09:30]).

    “He turns his gaze to the Father and that's how he overcomes Satan's temptation.” [09:45]

• Humility as Access to Authority: The Syrophoenician woman’s humility and the acknowledgment of Christ’s authority allows healing.

  “See that humility and her submission to the authority of Christ in her life. And then Jesus says, for saying this, the demon has left your daughter.” [14:15]

The Natural and Divine Order

• Rightful Authority Structures: Demons are driven out not by rituals alone but by the natural flow of God’s delegated authority—parent over child, priest over flock, bishop over priest ([19:05]).

  “What drives out demons is not fascination with evil. That often makes it worse. What drives out demons is fascination with Christ.” [17:50]

• Sacramental Examples: Baptism and confession reaffirm authority structures; exorcism in the rites happens via proper invocation of names and through parents' faith ([23:10]).

  “At the very beginning of the baptism ritual, there is a clear establishment of authority in the life of this child so that God's grace can flow into the child.” [23:50]

Running Toward Christ, Not from Evil

• Conversion Motive: True conversion is motivated by attraction to Christ, not fear of the devil ([30:10]).

  “A man or a woman does not become a Christian by fearing the devil… [but] by running toward Christ.” [30:25]

Biblical Models of Authority

• Synagogue Exorcisms: Demons recognize Jesus’ authority immediately:

  “‘What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth?...I know who you are, the Holy One of God.’” [32:30]

• Authority Flows through Humility: The father seeking healing for his son, the Roman centurion for his servant, and the woman with a hemorrhage—all these figures receive healing by recognizing and submitting to Christ’s authority ([33:40–37:00]).

  “It's the authority of Christ which drives out demons. And it's a humility of men that enables the authority of Christ to work in this world.” [35:40]

Authority in the Family and the Home

• Marriage and Disorder: Emphasizes the importance of marital order—properly conferred authority within marriage as instituted by God is essential for spiritual protection in the home ([39:00]).

  “...if a man and woman move in together and begin a family or have children without subjecting their relationship to God's authority, they're inviting disorder into the home.” [39:20]

• Demons Exploit Disorder: Evil cannot enter and wreak havoc unless there’s already a breach of order—disunity, rebellion, or neglected spiritual authority provide opportunities for chaos ([41:00]).

Personal Testimony

• Father Rob’s Family Story: Recounts how his parents, sensing evil in the home, turned to Jesus in prayer, and the disturbing presence immediately fled. This illustrates the authority of parents submitting to Christ benefiting their children ([43:10]).

  “...my father says that it was pressing down on him, making it impossible for him to lift his arms off his chest... She said, ‘say a prayer to Jesus.’ ...and immediately his arms lifted off his chest...” [44:00]

Final Reflections: Obedience and Restoration

• Adam and Eve: The original rupture came through disobedience and rejection of God’s authority; Christ, by perfect obedience, restores the lost order and offers eternal life ([48:10]).

  “It's a tree of obedience to authority, to rightful authority, to the authority in this world that God has placed over us.” [50:20]

• Practical Takeaway: Focus not on evil or the sensational but on humble obedience to God’s appointed authorities and loving service to those placed in our care. That’s where grace flows and evil loses its grip.

Notable Quotes by Timestamps

• [03:21] “The people that I know who are obsessed with the demonic and the diabolic tend to have the most disordered lives.” – Father Rob
• [06:10] “All these things are trying to drive out demons by demons, and then they only make things worse.” – Father Rob
• [09:45] “He turns his gaze to the Father and that's how he overcomes Satan's temptation.” – Father Rob
• [14:15] “See that humility and her submission to the authority of Christ in her life. And then Jesus says, for saying this, the demon has left your daughter.” – Father Rob
• [17:50] “What drives out demons is not fascination with evil. That often makes it worse. What drives out demons is fascination with Christ.” – Father Rob
• [23:50] “...there is a clear establishment of authority in the life of this child so that God's grace can flow into the child.” – Father Rob
• [30:25] “A man or a woman does not become a Christian by fearing the devil… [but] by running toward Christ.” – Father Rob
• [35:40] “It's the authority of Christ which drives out demons. And it's a humility of men that enables the authority of Christ to work in this world.” – Father Rob
• [39:20] “...if a man and woman move in together and begin a family or have children without subjecting their relationship to God's authority, they're inviting disorder into the home.” – Father Rob
• [44:00] “...my father says that it was pressing down on him... She said, ‘say a prayer to Jesus.’ ...and immediately his arms lifted off his chest...” – Father Rob
• [50:20] “It's a tree of obedience to authority, to rightful authority, to the authority in this world that God has placed over us.” – Father Rob

Section Timestamps

• Opening and framing the discomfort with evil: [00:04 – 04:00]
• Dangers of fascination and driving out evil with evil: [03:21 – 10:00]
• Jesus’ model of obedience and Gospel examples: [09:30 – 17:00]
• The natural/divine order, examples from sacraments: [17:00 – 28:00]
• Converts run toward Christ (not from fear): [30:10 – 32:00]
• Biblical cases of authority and healing: [32:30 – 38:00]
• Authority and order in the family/home: [39:00 – 43:00]
• Father Rob’s family story: [43:10 – 45:30]
• Obedience, Adam & Eve, and Christ’s restoration: [48:10 – 51:00]

Conclusion

Father Rob’s central message is that evil gains influence where right order and authority are neglected. Demons are not kept at bay with bravado, rituals, or fear—but by humble submission to God and honoring the roles and authorities He has established. True spiritual freedom and protection flow through Christ’s authority, active wherever obedience and love are present.