PHP Internals News: Episode 97: Redacting Parameters

Thursday, January 27th 2022, 09:09 GMT

In this episode of "PHP Internals News" I chat with Tim Düsterhus (GitHub) about the "Redacting Parameters in Back Traces" RFC.

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Derick Rethans 0:00: Before we start with this episode, I want to apologize for the bad audio quality. Instead of using my nice mic I managed to use to one built into my computer. I hope you'll still enjoy the episode.
Derick Rethans 0:30: Hi, I'm Derick. Welcome to PHP internals news, a podcast dedicated to explaining the latest developments in the PHP language. This is episode 97. Today I'm talking with Tim Düsterhus about Redacting Parameters in Backtraces RFC that he's proposing. Tim, would you please introduce yourself?
Tim Düsterhus 0:50: Hi, Derick, thank you for inviting me. I am Tim Düsterhus, and I'm a developer at WoltLab. We are building a web application suite for you to build online communities.
Derick Rethans 0:59: Thanks for coming on this morning. What is the problem that you're trying to solve with this RFC?
Tim Düsterhus 1:05: If everything is going well, we don't need this RFC. But errors can and will happen and our application might encounter some exceptional situation, maybe some request to an external service fails. And so the application throws an error, this exception will bubble up a stack trace and either be caught, or go into a global exception handler. And then basically, in both cases, the exception will be logged into the error log. If it can be handled, we want to make the admin side aware of the issues so they can maybe fix their networking. If it is unable to be handled because of a programming error, we need to log it as well to fix the bug. In our case, we have the exception in the error log. And what happens next? In our case, we have many, many lay person administrators that run a community for their hobby, they're not really programmers with no technical expertise. And we also have a strong customers help customers environment. What do those customers do? They grab their error log and post it within our forums in public. Now in our forum, we have the error log with the full stack trace, including all sensitive values, maybe user passwords, if the Authentication Service failed, or something else, that should not really happen. In our case, it's lay person administrators. But I'm also seeing that experienced developers can make this mistake. I am triaging issues with an open source software written in C. And I've sometimes seeing system administrators posting their full core dump, including their TLS certificates there, and they don't really realize what they have just done. That's really an issue that affects laypersons, and professional administrators the same. In our case, our application attempts to strip those sensitive information from this backtrace. We have a custom exception handler that scans the full stack face, tries to match up class names and method names e.g. the PDO constructor to scrub the database password. And now recently, we have extended this stripping to also strip anything from parameters that are called password, secret, or something like that. That mostly works well. But in any case, this exception handler will miss sensitive information because it needs to basically guess what parameters are sensitive values and which don't. And also our exception handler grew very complex because to match up those parameters, it needs to use reflection. And any failures within the exception handler cannot really be recovered from, if the exception handler fails, you're out of luck.
Derick Rethans 3:51: Quite a few things to think of to make sure that you're not sharing any secrets. And I certainly have seen almost doing this myself. We now know what the problem is. How is this RFC proposing to fix this?
Tim Düsterhus 4:03: Primarily, we want to propose a standardized way for applications or libraries to indicate which parameters hold sensitive values. Our custom exception handler uses reflection as we said before, and it only matches up the parameter's names, but we also have this attribute I am proposing, SensitiveParameter within our application itself. Any parameter names that are not definitely sensitive can be attributed with this attribute. But this only works within our software, but not with any third party libraries we are using, e.g. for encryption or whatever there is. Primarily we want to propose a standardized way an attribute that is in PHP core, anyone can use that and everyone knows what this attribute means. Secondarily, the RFC is proposing a default implementation to keep the exception handler simple. As I said before, we are using reflection. This is very complex, it does not work with the require_once or include_once family, because that are not functions. We need to handle this case to not try to attempt to reflect on those non functions when redacting any parameters. This is complex. And we want to simplify that.
Derick Rethans 5:20: From what I understand this is then a way to make sure that there's a standardized method for marking arguments as being sensitive. And because this is that now standardized, only one solution to the problem has to be found right?
Tim Düsterhus 5:34: Basically, not every library is using their own attributes, possibly, or we can match parameter names that are not like password, secret, but it can be documented: hey, if you are using sensitive parameters, you should put this attribute and then those exception handlers will be aware that this attribute is sensitive and can strip it, or in case of the RFC PHP itself, will already strip those parameters from the stack trace.
Derick Rethans 6:04: You're suggesting that PHP standard way of showing stack traces also takes care of the sensitive parameter here?
Tim Düsterhus 6:11: Yes, exactly.
Derick Rethans 6:13: Which internal PHP functions are likely to get this attribute?
Tim Düsterhus 6:16: Basically anything with a parameter called password or secret, as I said before, examples include PDO's constructor, the database password will be in there and possibly also the user name or host name, which might be considered sensitive. But the password is the most important thing I have on my list. ldap_bind, which possibly includes user passwords; the password_hash function; possibly various OpenSSL functions. One will need to look and this list can be extended in the future as well, if someone realizes we missed anything.
Derick Rethans 6:55: Now, I know sometimes that there's a problem where an application connects to the wrong server with PDO. And as you say, the host name was also in this PDO constructor, would it not then make debugging that specific case harder because the hostname would also be redacted from the stack traces?
Tim Düsterhus 7:14: The attribute I am proposing as the parameter attribute, each parameter can be sensitive or non sensitive. We would need to decide whether we consider the hostname sensitive or not. It usually is not. So I would not put the attribute on the host name, or on the DSN string in the first parameter. The password definitely is sensitive. And the username possibly is a grey area. By default, I probably would not put the attribute there. But this is something that needs to be discussed in the greater community possibly.
Derick Rethans 7:47: I saw in the RFC that when you request a stack trace in PHP with get back trace or whatever the name of this function is, is...

PHP Internals News: Episode 97: Redacting Parameters

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