'A Regime Change War With NO PLAN!' Is Attack on Iran Really 'America First'?

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Piers Morgan Uncensored

Episode: "A Regime Change War With NO PLAN!' Is Attack on Iran Really 'America First'?"
Date: March 3, 2026
Host: Piers Morgan
Guests/Panelists: Ben Ferguson, Tim Miller, Dave Smith, Jack Posobiec, J.D. Vance, Joe Carducci (JoJo)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Piers Morgan Uncensored" tackles the U.S. attack on Iran under President Donald Trump—a decision described by the panel as a war with regime change aims, but no clear endgame or coherent plan. The debate scrutinizes the meaning and betrayal of "America First," the shifting rhetoric and campaign promises of Trump, and the historical echoes of previous U.S. interventions in the Middle East. Tensions run high with fierce arguments about national security, domestic politics, and the dire implications for both the midterm elections and Trump's presidency.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Shift: From Peace Candidate to Toppling Iran

• Original Promise of Peace: Trump long campaigned as the “pro-peace” candidate, promising no new "endless wars," and credited as the first president in decades not to start a major conflict ([01:24] Trump).

"I am the president who delivers peace. I was the first president in decades who didn’t start a war. I think we would have been good with Iran. I don't want to do anything bad to Iran." – Donald Trump ([01:24])

• Changed Rhetoric & Justification: Panelists note Trump now justifies intervention as preventing Iran’s nuclear ambitions, responding to terrorist sponsorship, or supporting Iranian protesters. However, the reasons keep changing, and no one in his coalition campaigned on war ([02:54] Morgan/Wider Panel).
• Questioning the Threat: No clear explanation has been given for why Iran is considered more dangerous now than 18 months ago ([02:54] Piers Morgan).

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2. Is "America First" Still Alive?

• Betrayal of the Base: Multiple panelists argue Trump’s action betrays his "America First" voters, especially as he appears to consider boots on the ground. Polls show support even among Republicans is plummeting ([05:50], [21:03], [22:11] Morgan, Vance).

“This is a total betrayal of his own voters.” – Jack Posobiec ([00:46])

• Semantic Gymnastics: Advisers and right-wing figures reinterpret “America First” to defend the war, but critics like Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene now openly oppose Trump ([21:03], [31:57]).

"President Trump has made it explicitly clear that America first means whatever he wants it to mean." – Piers Morgan ([00:50])

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3. Panel Divides: War Justified or Folly?

• Supporters:

  • Ben Ferguson: Asserts Iran poses an existential threat—a top terror sponsor, threatening both U.S. and Israel. Claims this is not an Iraq/Afghanistan-style war, and Trump aims for a quick operation, akin to Venezuela ([04:19], [12:39]).
  • J.D. Vance: Raises generational divides within the GOP; older voters somewhat supportive, but younger, war-weary voters and independents are hostile ([22:11]).

• Critics:

  • Dave Smith & Jack Posobiec: Call the strategy incoherent, likening it to the disastrous Iraq invasion. Point out the dangers of regime change with no plan for succession—risking chaos, quagmire, and further terror ([15:15], [40:09]).
  • JoJo: Emphasizes that Trump is not adhering to any coherent objective or exit strategy, criticizes his broken campaign promises, and questions the tangible benefit to Americans ([27:04]).

"Donald Trump doesn't think things through. There is no endgame. There was no clear objective. I'm still waiting for him to explain this to anybody coherently." – Joe Carducci (JoJo) ([27:04])

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4. The Venezuela Precedent: False Analogy?

• Dubious Comparison: Panelists debate whether the Venezuela operation is a useful comparison. Unlike Venezuela, Iran sees high regime loyalty, far more military complexity, and no clear successor ([06:12] Ferguson vs. [12:07] Posobiec).

"This is very much not a Venezuela situation. It is not a regime change." – Jack Posobiec ([12:08])

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5. No Plan, No Peace: The Dangers of Incoherence

• No Succession Plan: Trump administration has admitted (to media and in interviews) to not knowing who would replace Iran’s leadership ([12:08] Posobiec, [12:07]).
• Consequences Already Unfolding: Few days after strikes, significant regional instability is evident—attacks on Dubai, heightened oil prices, U.S. and Israeli casualties ([14:05]–[19:56], [43:42]).
• Historical Parallels: Parallels made with Iraq, Afghanistan, and even Venezuela—where initial regime euphoria quickly dissolved into chaos or stagnation.

"I think this destroys Donald Trump's presidency, which I think is the most likely scenario at this point." – Dave Smith ([43:42])

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6. Domestic Political Risk: Midterms and the MAGA Divide

• Political Fallout: A drawn-out conflict could cost GOP the midterms and paralyze Trump’s presidency ([33:58], [34:12], [36:23], [43:42]).

“If this turns into a full-on regime change, forever war…that’s something that’s going to prove to be very unpopular in this midterm year.” – J.D. Vance ([00:29], [22:11])

• The MAGA Split: Younger voters, veterans, and independents are largely opposed. Notable figures on the right—Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene—condemn the war ([31:57], [22:11]).

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7. The Human Costs and Leadership Critiques

• Military Families and Morale:

“Our service members deserve better than a commander in chief who does not have a plan. They deserve better than a five time draft dodger who called the fallen of war suckers and losers.” – JoJo ([30:01])

• Civilian Casualties and Blowback: Reports already of American deaths, blowback attacks, and regional chaos as a direct result of regime decapitation strikes ([17:27]).

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8. Oil, Global Stakes, and Regional Dominoes

• Strait of Hormuz: Major focus on the economic and strategic importance—closure would mostly hurt China and Iran itself, not the U.S. directly ([43:42]).
• Gulf States and Allies: Initial alignment with U.S.-Israeli actions, but concern that continued instability will erode this coalition ([40:09]).

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9. Possible Outcomes: Best Case, Worst Case, and the Pivot Hypothesis

• Best Case Scenario: Quick regime collapse, successful internal uprising, new pro-Western leadership, and regional stabilization ([36:23] Morgan).
• Worst Case: Protracted insurgency, high U.S. and ally casualties, political disaster at home, and zero real change ([43:42] Smith).
• Trump’s Potential Pivot: Panelists suggest Trump might try to claim victory after decapitating Iran’s top leadership and declare the job done to avoid further entanglement ([51:11]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Pierce (repeatedly): “This is not going to be sending troops into Iran.” (quickly rebutted by Morgan citing Trump’s statements, [00:20]–[00:23], [05:50])
• JD Vance: “Israel has the right to defend itself, but America’s interest is sometimes going to be distinct. Our interest I think very much is in not going to war with Iran.” ([02:32])
• Jack Posobiec: “You can’t both be on the side of the Iranian people and also not be interested in a regime change war and democracy promotion—like you have to do one or the other.” ([08:37])
• Dave Smith: “The justification for this war is totally incoherent. It’s actually worse than any of the wars in the global war on terrorism…all the wars were based off lies, but at least the lies kind of made sense.” ([15:15])
• JoJo: “If we’re talking about oppressive, despotic regimes who hate America, and our goal being regime change, we could go into a lot of countries.” ([27:04])

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Critical Segment Timestamps

• Trump’s shifting rhetoric & panel unpacking (00:00–02:54)
• Was “America First” betrayed? (00:46–01:24, 21:03, 31:57)
• Are boots on the ground coming? (05:50–06:12, 51:11)
• Failed analogies—Venezuela vs. Iran (06:12–13:02)
• Consequences for midterms and Trump’s presidency (33:58–36:23, 43:42)
• Military families and critique of leadership (30:00–31:00)
• Panelist split, MAGA base reaction, and conservative icons’ dissent (21:03, 31:57)
• Strait of Hormuz and global oil ramifications (43:42)
• Debate, interruptions, and heated exchanges (16:00–18:00, 47:08–49:00)
• Speculation on Trump’s exit strategy / "declare victory and go home" (51:11)
• Closing, summary, political and economic stakes (54:24–56:06)

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Tone & Panel Dynamics

The tone is confrontational and combative—long stretches of crosstalk, passionate interruptions, and open accusations of bad faith and betrayal both within the panel and toward political leaders. Piers Morgan maintains a moderating but forceful presence, repeating key points for clarity and pressing panelists for direct answers.

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Summary

The episode is a sprawling, high-energy debate covering the lack of U.S. planning for post-strike Iran, the political consequences for Trump (and the GOP), the meaninglessness of "America First" in the face of war, echoes of past U.S. Middle East policy blunders, the unreliability of allies, and the fundamentally unpredictable and perilous nature of the situation. Skepticism dominates, but a few voices defend Trump's instincts, insisting that genuine threats require robust national security responses—even as they acknowledge the immense risks.

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Conclusion

Piers closes emphasizing the historic stakes:

"The midterms and Donald Trump's legacy hinge entirely on how this now plays out, this war on Iran." ([55:36])

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For listeners new to this debate, the episode delivers a window into the bitter divides both within the Republican coalition and the wider policy community as the U.S. careens toward another possible Middle East quagmire—one the public, and many panelists, find both unconscionable and inexplicable.

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Transcript

[Donald Trump]

Sadly, there will likely be more before it ends. That's the way it is.

[Ben Ferguson]

I think this destroys Donald Trump's presidency. I mean, if he goes over there and just kills a bunch of Iranians, a bunch of Israelis are dead, a bunch of US Soldiers are dead, but the regime still stands, I mean, I think that's death for the rest of his presidency.

[Pierce]

This is not going to be sending troops into Iran.

[Piers Morgan]

Except that President Trump has told the New York Post literally 2 hours ago he's not ruling out sending US ground troops.

[J.D. Vance]

If this turns into a full on regime change forever war, that's something that's going to prove to be very unpopular in this midterm year.

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

Our service members deserve better than a commander in chief who does not have a plan. They deserve better than a five time draft dodger.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is a total betrayal of his own voters.

[Piers Morgan]

President Trump has made it explicitly clear that America first means whatever he wants it to mean.

[Jack Posobiec]

But.

[Piers Morgan]

But that hasn't stopped many other people attempting to redefine it on his behalf. Ben Shapiro says that attacking Iran is America first because it serves the US national interest. Lindsey Graham and Mark Levine, among others, say that starting a war can in a roundabout way be an act of peace if it prevents war and suffering in the future. What none of the advocates for attacking Iran can argue with a straight face is that Trump campaigned on war with Iran. He didn't. In fact, it. It was of course, explicitly the opposite.

[Donald Trump]

In addition, there must also be a complete commitment to dismantling the entire globalist neocon establishment that is perpetually dragging us into endless wars, pretending to fight for freedom and democracy abroad. We should have never gone into the Middle East. We should have never gone into the Middle East. Under my leadership, we will turn the page forever. One of those foolish, stupid days of never ending wars. I am the president who delivers peace. I was the first president in decades who didn't start a war. I think we would have been good with Iran. I don't want to do anything bad to Iran. Speaking of World War Three, I'll keep you out of World War Three. What would happen if we had a war?

[Pierce]

We won't with me.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, both President Trump and Vice President Vance billed themselves as the pro peace ticket, a message which massively expanded his election winning coalition. Tulsi Gabbard said only Trump could prevent war with Iran as she switched sides to join him. And Jody Vance articulated very clearly that a war with Iran would be expensive and against his country's interests.

[J.D. Vance]

Israel has the right to defend itself, but America's interest is sometimes going to be distinct. Like sometimes we're going to have overlapping interests and sometimes we're going to have distinct interests. And our interest, I think very much is in not going to war with Iran.

[Pierce]

Right.

[J.D. Vance]

It would be huge distraction of resources. It would be massively expensive to our country.

[Piers Morgan]

So the obvious question is, what's changed? Is Iran more of a threat now than it was 18 months ago? If it is, nobody's plausibly explained why Trump has worn many hats over the past few weeks in attempting to justify the war that is now underway. It's the protesters, it's the nukes, it's the long range ballistic missiles. It's the inherent inconvenience of an evil regime which has for decades been a thorn in America's side. But none of this will satisfy those in Trump's base who voted specifically for the pro peace ticket and is unlikely to satisfy the masses of moderates and swing voters who care above all about cheaper groceries and higher wages. Clearly, America first means different things to different people, but it stands to reason that above all it surely meant fixing your own country before meddling with everybody else's. Well, joining me to discuss all of this is Ben Ferguson, co host of the Verdict with Ted Cruz, Tim Miller, commentator at the Bullwalk, Dave Smith, host of Part of the Problem, Jack Posobic, host of Human Events, and Joe Carducci, aka JoJo from JERS. Well, welcome to all of you. Ben Ferguson, what's happened here? What's happened to the peace loving Trump who wasn't going to go into the Middle East? I saw Axios reporting that no president in history has now launched attacks on more countries than Donald Trump. Where does that sit with America? First, stay out of the Middle east, stay out of foreign wars.

[Pierce]

Yeah, I think there's a very specific aspect of what Donald Trump's doing that the American people are okay with. And it's different than forever wars. He did not gonna go in and do what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I think what the President also understood in pivoting is once he was back in the White House and saw the intelligence and realized what Iran is doing and what they're clearly trying to do and what they're trying to do not only with Israel, but but also with the United States of America. You just cannot allow them to get even anywhere close to having a nuclear weapon. They are a threat to Americans. They've killed more American troops in my lifetime than any other country. Their proxies in Hezbollah and Hamas are a Great example of that. They are a sponsor of terror, which again, is the worst that I've seen in my lifetime as well. Anyone that's a bad actor in that part of the world, they will fund. They love funding terrorists. And once you once terrorists and once you saw what they did to Israel and the attack there, and advocating and supporting and advancing and giving aid and arms and money and training to what happened in Israel, I think the President had to look at it differently. Now, to be clear, this president and I've spoken with the White House a lot lately. I've sat with the speaker of the House the day before the State of the Union. I sat yesterday with Senator Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio. They all are saying the same exact thing. This is not going to be sending troops into Iran. So I think that is the biggest difference here. The President understands a threat. He also understands endless wars are never a good thing. And he doesn't want to do that at all. And he won't.

[Piers Morgan]

Right. Except that President Trump has told the New York Post literally two hours ago, he's not ruling out sending US Ground troops into Iran if they were necessary. He said, I don't have the yips with respect to boots on the ground. Every president says there'll be no boots on the ground. I don't say it. I say probably don't need them, but if they're necessary. So

[Pierce]

look at Venezuela, and that's what he's talking about. If there's a situation where you have to go in and take someone out in the way that we did in Venezuela, by the way, we're not invading Venezuela, we're not staying in Venezuela. You have to look at the context of what the President is saying there. Like, I don't think that's ambiguity in any, any capacity by this president. What he's made clear is what? We're not going to go in and invade and take over a country. That is not what he wants to do. Same thing in Venezuela. I would say Venezuela is a success. Were there technically boots on the ground there for X number of hours? Yes, there were. Are we staying there indefinitely? No. Have we invaded the country and taken over? No, we have not. And that's why the President said not once but twice in his two speeches, I am preparing a place for you to be able to take over your own country. This may be the best chance you get to do it to the people of Iran. So you better go out there and take back your country, as we are doing this for you. And we've seen the People in Iran, they have celebrated that overwhelmingly.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, Tim Miller, it seems like there's a lot of hoops being jumped here to try and explain what is. To me, I've known Donald Trump a long time. There's been a clear change in his attitude towards meddling in, in foreign countries and foreign wars and in particular in the Middle East. And, you know, he might have perfectly good reasons for doing it, but he's certainly a very different rhetoric now that he's using to what he was using when he was campaigning to be re elected. This problem, it seems to me, with the attack on Iran is Iran is a massive country. It has a very ruthless, very large regime which basically extends to all aspects of. Of Iranian society. There are at least one and a half million Revolutionary Guard, regular army paramilitaries, possibly as many as 2 million, none of whom at the moment appear ready to throw in the towel as Donald Trump has asked them to. So if people do rise up in the way that Donald Trump would like, you know, his utopia is that all these airstrikes bully the regime in such a way that, that the people sense their moment and they rise up and they overthrow them. But at the moment, they would be facing a lot of them immediate death, as we saw when the recent protests were repressed. And that seems to me to be the fundamental flaw here in what Donald Trump wants to happen and the reality on the ground.

[Jack Posobiec]

A lot of that sounds right to me, Piers. Look, this is obviously a betrayal of his campaign promises. I mean, the MAGA supporters can spin it however they want, but J.D. vance, in that clip you played, was just very blunt about this. And there's nothing that has changed on the ground making Iran a bigger threat since fall of 2024. In fact, Iran's been degraded a lot since fall of 2024. And so this is a total betrayal of his own voters. But to the actual plan here, I think what Ben just laid out is totally incoherent. If the idea here is that this is a moment where the Iranian people have an opportunity to grab their own freedom and we're gonna help them. Okay, well, that requires troops on the ground. I mean, like, that would be a coherent objective at least. We want to free the Iranian people from the Ayatollah. We're not saying that we're gonna do that. Pete Hegseth was out saying that this is not a regime change operation and we are not doing democracy promotion. Pete Hegseth said that. So we can't both be on the side of the Iranian people and Also not be interested in a regime change, war and democracy promotion like you have to do one or the other. The Iranian people cannot overthrow.

[Piers Morgan]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Well, no, that was Turkey's objective in the United States. That was not our objective. We weren't like Turkey armed a rebel group in Syria. Is that what we're going to do? Okay, again, that would be a coherent plan. Like we have picked a group, Pompeo said over the weekend, we like the MEK or the Kurds or whoever, we're going to arm them and provide them weapons and intelligence. That's what Turkey did. And I think they ended up having kind of catastrophic success in Syria. I don't even think that Turkey planned on that group so easily toppling the Assad regime. Again, maybe that could happen in Iran. The point that I'm trying to make, Piers, is that there is no coherent objective being offered by this administration. Like you have Ben Ferguson on right now saying that what they want is freedom for the Iranian people. That's not what Pete Hegseth was saying this morning.

[Pierce]

That's not Donald Trump.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just really quick, one more thing. Just one more thing. Donald Trump.

[Pierce]

Think of the incoherence.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just let me do one more thing. Then you can talk. Ben, one more thing. Donald Trump said that he, like you, pointed to Venezuela and talked about how successful that is. This is very different from Venezuela. A couple reasons. Number one, four people have already died. That didn't happen in Venezuela. Number two, we had a clear successor. Donald Trump told the New York Times that we had two or three successors in mind. All of them are dead. They've all been killed. He said to the Atlantic and or to John Carl, I think at ABC last night that we don't know who the successor is now. So this is very much not a Venezuela situation. It is not a regime change.

[Pierce]

I refer to Venezuela about troops on the ground in response to that. And I think you're intellectually honest enough to understand that. I don't think I have to explain it to you like a third grader. I think you're now just trying to act like Venezuela and Iran are the same thing. They're very different places. That is obvious.

[Jack Posobiec]

You were the one that said they're the same thing.

[Pierce]

Venezuela was very simple. We had troops go in and take out the leader and then we left. That's the same thing that we're talking about now.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, four troops have died in this case. So it's already very different than that. It's already very different than that. Four troops have died.

[Pierce]

Again, it's already very different.

[Jack Posobiec]

And we don't even have a soldier

[Pierce]

dying for a political point you're trying to score. I know you don't like the president. I know you don't like this plan. But let me also say this about what's the plan? There are two objectives here. I'm going to tell you the two objectives since you put words in my mouth. Number one, it's to make sure you take out a regime that is sponsoring terrorism all over the world and has made it very clear that they want to do what they did in Israel, also in America and other places. So it's a national security standpoint there. It's also a national security standpoint with oil and the Strait of Hormuz as well. That's very clear. They're worried about that area as well. And the third is, yes, when you get rid of someone like this, of course you want the people to be able to be free in their country and not be able to be killed in the streets like we've witnessed, where tens of thousands of them have been exterminated. And in the last month, while they tried to stand up to their regime. So there can be multiple things here. Is that different than Venezuela? Of course, because every nation is different. I think you should know that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Okay, that doesn't sound like a plan because we don't.

[Piers Morgan]

Hang on.

[Jack Posobiec]

This regime is.

[Piers Morgan]

Hang on, hang on. I want to bring in the other panel members. Let me bring in the other panel members. Dave Smith. I want to bring in Dave Smith first. I will get to you, Jojo. Dave Smith, what's your feeling about what we're seeing here? I mean, I look, for example, I've lost the friends who live in Dubai. They move there for a good economic life, the sunshine, but also primarily safety. They would tell me they leave their front door open in Dubai because nobody gets robbed. Right. This is a very safe place to live. Suddenly they're waking up and they're seeing five star hotels getting, you know, blown up. And it's causing enormous uncertainty throughout that entire region and, you know, causing enormous damage to the perceived business model of places like Dubai. So there are real time consequences now of this within 48 hours of these strikes, which make it very, very different to anything we've seen before. Now, do you think this. Can it work? And if it doesn't work, where does that leave us all?

[Ben Ferguson]

Well, if it doesn't work, Donald Trump has destroyed his presidency, which I think is the most likely scenario at this point. And I don't say that with any glee. I mean, I think that's really bad for the country. And I understand that this is kind of devolving into like a partisan fight, but, you know, look, I mean, the justification for this war is totally incoherent. It's actually worse than any of the wars in the global war on terrorism, just in terms of how incoherent the justification is. I mean, all of the wars were based off lies, but at least the lies kind of. I mean, at this point it's like, I don't even know what I mean. I guess Ben will just defend whatever war Donald Trump launches, but their, their nuclear program was putting out the worst sponsor.

[Piers Morgan]

Of course.

[Ben Ferguson]

All right, all right, you already.

[Pierce]

That's a good idea.

[Ben Ferguson]

I know. We've all heard the talking points. Okay.

[Pierce]

Are you saying Iran is the worst sponsor of terrorism? Like, serious question. Like, you act like you don't know that. You don't realize Iran fundamentally trains Hezbollah, Hamas and other terrorist groups.

[Piers Morgan]

Jesus Christ.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yes, I know.

[Pierce]

I mean, that's not like breaking news.

[Ben Ferguson]

Can I just talk For a second since you already spoke and like don't

[Pierce]

ask, you're a smart guy like you should know that you're downplaying a race.

[Ben Ferguson]

Dude, shut up for a second. I've heard a million times. So you're saying who go on Fox News? Dude, can I just fucking talk? Dude, this is so boring. I've heard a millions of Fox News.

[Pierce]

Then ok, I go on CNN one more time by the way. Okay, so like it's not just Fox News, buddy.

[Ben Ferguson]

Okay, so I've heard the talking point a million times that Iran is the number one sponsor of terrorism. It is something that the war hawks love to say. I have actually never once heard a coherent definition of terrorism and then a demonstration that they're the worst of it. The IDF is the worst terrorist organization in the region. Let's get real. The United States of America is arguably the worst terrorist organization in the world. If you want to look over the last 25 years, how many innocent civilians we've slaughtered. You're getting us, you're getting us into the neocon. Yeah, that's right. You're getting us into the neocon seventh war which they've been dying for the last 25.

[Pierce]

You might want to take down by the way.

[Ben Ferguson]

No, actually if you love this country, if you're a real patriot, you'd have

[Piers Morgan]

to hate this government.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yeah, yeah. D.C. d.C. Killed a lot more people than Iran did and that's George W. Bush and Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

[Pierce]

There's mass graves.

[Ben Ferguson]

That has nothing to do with. Dude just all you can do is just interrupt cuz you know you have no point on your side anyway. Pierce, are there not mass graves in Iran anyway? What actually matters here is that the calculation has been drastically changed and the incentives have been changed by Donald Trump even since the 12 day war. Look, for the 12 day war to work out the way it did really relied on a major piece of that puzzle which was that Iran for self preservation reasons showed restraint in their response. They, they called ahead, they let us knew where they were going to target. They made sure they didn't kill any Americans this time. Once Donald Trump killed the Ayatollah, they offered through their Italian negotiators, they offered a ceasefire, Iran said no. Iran has now made the calculation that they simply can't let America come in and kill the Ayatollah and not respond because they then they'll just keep picking on him. Donald Trump already announced this was a regime change war with no plan, absolutely no plan as he has admitted as Rubio has admitted they have no plan for what comes next. And this is the scenario. I gotta say, man, I hate to be vindicated like this, Pierce, but this is the scenario that all of us were warning about since well before the 12 Day War, that now you've gotten yourself into a situation. Americans are dead. I think Mr. Miller misspoke when he said four people are dead. Four Americans are dead over there. Probably more to come. Donald Trump says more to come. We've had a couple Americans killed in Austin in a blowback terrorist attack that's happened already since then. And like, dude, the lack of wisdom here from the Trump administration, like, you have no idea what you just kicked off. There is absolutely no reason to think that this thing is not going to be a catastrophe just like the last six theaters in the global war on terrorism. And by the way, you know, just final one very quick last point. I'm sorry, Pierce, but then really, you know, a bunch. Let me just say one thing for all the like supposed, like pretend intellectuals out there like the, the Gad Sads and the Sam Harris who have spent a career talking about how violent and irrational the Muslim world is because you can't even draw a cartoon of Muhammad or they'll start killing people. Hey, what do you think happens when you murder in Ayatollah? Did anyone know that that's not just a political figure to the Shiites, who we've had no beef with really so far. We've never.

[Pierce]

Don't kill bad guys because they fight back. That's like the most foreign policy I've ever heard of.

[Ben Ferguson]

Oh, no, actually, Ben, my foreign policy is don't.

[Pierce]

Adolf Hitler I guess would still be alive if we use your foreign policy.

[Ben Ferguson]

Oh, great, great, Good one. But you just speak in slogans. My foreign policy.

[Pierce]

Adolf Hitler's a bad guy. You better not attack him or go after him and stop him from invading all Europe and taking over the world. Don't mess about him. Never. Because that guy's a really bad guy. That's your foreign policy.

[Ben Ferguson]

So Ben, you just. So you're just going to say the dumbest thing and then interrupt me if I respond? My.

[Pierce]

You literally just said, I'm in Texas where the Austin attack happened. And your policy is, hey, be really nice to bad people and then they might not kill you. That is your foreign policy. And you're now saying that Donald Trump is somehow responsible for a terrorist that said Property of Allah and had a Iranian T shirt on saying, no, that's Donald Trump's fault. Not actually the terrorist fault. That is the problem with so many of you on the left.

[Ben Ferguson]

Let me Pierce, because you don't understand

[Pierce]

that sometimes you have to take back

[Ben Ferguson]

seven I'm seven clips.

[Piers Morgan]

I actually want to give two other, I want to give two other panels.

[Jack Posobiec]

Shut up.

[Piers Morgan]

Two other panel members have so far said. Okay guys, two other panel members.

[Ben Ferguson]

All right, whatever.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, you said a lot and it was interesting. I want to bring in Jack, Jack, Jack, the. You know, it's interesting to watch how the conservative right is reacted to this. You got Tucker Carlson, one of the big figures of the conservative right going off the deep end about this attack, calling it disgusting, calling it evil. You know, that would have been unprecedented 20 years ago to hear someone who was such a big figure of the conservative right in America going after a Republican government's decision to do something like this in such a virulent manner rhetorically. What do you feel about this? I mean, I think a lot of what Dave Smith is saying is what the fears a lot of people on the right have about this too. The polls show this is a very unpopular move. Even Republicans are heading now below nearly below 50% support for this, which is unprecedented for a military action like this under a Republican president. How are you feeling about this?

[J.D. Vance]

Well, Pierce, last time I was on here, that's exactly what I said. I said that if this turns into a full on regime change forever war kind of prolonged protracted situation, that's something that's going to prove to be very unpopular in this midterm year and I'm certainly not going to change my analysis on that. That's just true. That's just the absolute truth of the matter. The question is, I think and still remains, will this be a Venezuela style situation where there's going to be one military operation, a brief operation and then this protracted or I should say immediately, you know, immediate cease fire and then a situation where new leadership is brought in and the US Is working with that leadership. You did hear the president say that, I believe to Brett Baier earlier today. And yes, he's been making a lot of statements across all of media and saying different things in different places. But we have heard and I've heard from the administration some rhetoric regarding this, this Venezuela model which does seem to be very well celebrated. And of course he pointed that out at the State of the Union last week. But look, you know, Charlie Kirk is, you know, is someone who lobbied very hard back in June along with myself to say do not push this and warned very succinctly I believe and very strongly that younger voters are not going to be on board with this because they're war weary. After looking at Iraq, after looking at Afghanistan, after seeing the pullout in Kabul in 2021 and saying, what is it worth? What is it for? So you do see this, you see this split really within MAGA where older voters, it's 50, 55 up, very, very, very supportive, then younger voters, very, very against Gen Y, kind of in the middle, global war on terror veterans generally in the middle. That's what's going on. President Trump ultimately is the only one who knows how it's going to shake out.

[Pierce]

J.D.

[J.D. Vance]

vance, of course, up there as well. And so that's going to be the situation. Look, those guys know what the situation is on the ground and those guys obviously realize that they're the ones conducting this election right now in the midterms. And certainly they know what the stakes are.

[Pierce]

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[Piers Morgan]

Okay, JoJo, thank you for your patience. And welcome back to Uncensored. What is your view about the killing of the Ayatollah Khomeini? I mean, for 47 years, it's indisputable that the Iranian regime has been a ruthless, barbaric regime which has terrorized its own people, which has sponsored terrorism throughout the Middle east, predominantly aimed at Israel through the tentacles of Hezbollah, through the Houthis, through Hamas and so on, celebrated October 7th and all these things. None of that is really up for debate. I mean, that's what they've been the question becomes a little bit like the debate about Saddam Hussein at the start of the century when I was editor of the Daily Mirror here in the UK and took a very strong position against that war because I did not believe that we had established, the US and the UK in particular, a reason to take him out, that the weapons of mass destruction seemed to be a construct that wasn't built on evidence. That turned out sadly to be true. And we had 20 years of mayhem that came out of that, led predominantly by the rise of isis, who filled the vacuum and caused terrorism for two decades. So, you know, I have a long memory when it comes to these kind of things. And that was a situation where it needed boots on the ground, which turned out to be a complete disaster. Here, Donald Trump is holding the possibility of committing more boots on the ground to a country of 93 million people where you have, you know, one and a half million heavily armed people that work for the regime, from the Republican Guard down to the regular army to the paramilitaries. This is an enormous number of heavily armed, committed to the regime, people who will repress any uprising of the kind Donald Trump wants, I would imagine, in a very quick and very draconian way, as we saw only last month. So this seems to me, when you add in the attacks on hotels in Dubai and the rest of it, it seems to me a very precarious situation. So when Jack says, well, Donald Trump knows what's happening, I'm not completely convinced that he can know what's happening. And it's the unpredictability of this which is concerning to me.

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

No, thank you. You're absolutely right. I'm not going to be shedding a tear for the Ayatollah, that's for sure. But if we're going to be talking about, you know, oppressive, despotic regimes who hate America and our country's goal being going in to have regime changed, we could go into a lot of countries. I mean, Donald Trump is literally rolling out the red car for Vladimir Putin. He's falling in love with Kim Jong Un. But the thing is, in this particular case, they keep moving the reasoning behind this attack. They can't agree with themselves. Donald Trump said it was an imminent threat. Donald Trump said it was about regime change. Pete Hegseth said it's about preventing them from having an umbrella, preventing them from having nuclear weapons. Ted Cruz says there's no evidence that they've seen that they even have the capacity for nuclear weapons or for enrichment. The thing is, they haven't thought this through. Donald Trump doesn't think things through. There is no endgame. There was no clear objective. I'm still waiting for him to explain this to anybody coherently. He hasn't done so. But to your point originally, about this being America first or not America first, this is yet another one of Donald Trump's campaign promises that he has not delivered on. And if I'm somebody who voted for him, I am looking right now at all of these things that he said he was going to do and hasn't this one in particular. No new foreign wars. I remember every MAGA idiot in my replies telling me to cry harder because they got the guy who was going to get us out of these long, protracted wars. He said he was going to release the names in the Epstein files. Now we know he had to be compelled by Congress to do so, that he slow walked those and only released half and redacted 96% of his own name mentions. He also said he was going to bring down the cost of groceries, he was going to bring down our electric bills. Not only is that not happening, is moving in the wrong direction. Our gdp, inflation, et cetera. Another promise that he made to his base who voted for him, that he is not delivering on. And to me this one is the easiest one because we have, as you played at the top, sound bite after soundbite after soundbite of him saying he was going to be the candidate for peace, that he was going to get us out of these wars, that Kamala Harris was going to be the one that got your sons and daughters into these protracted wars. And by the way, Hags has said today, Donald Trump said today we could be looking at five weeks. Neither one of them will say we won't put boots on the ground. And that is very different from what they said in Venezuela. And to the point about Venezuela being a success. I would ask the people of Venezuela if that is actually true, if their lives are markedly better right now since we went in and removed their leader. That's what I'm concerned about. I'm desperately concerned that there is no strategy for us.

[Pierce]

Based on the reaction in the streets, I'm pretty sure men and women, I'm

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

sure they'd say yes, I want to finish this point. This is very, very important to me. Sir, pardon me. I just really need to finish.

[Pierce]

We're talking about Iran like you're way off.

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

I really need to finish this. This is near and dear to my heart because I grew up near a military base. My father worked for the Department of Defense. He was based on military base most of my siblings have served. This is near and dear to my heart. The men and women of our military, our service members, deserve better than a commander in chief who does not have a plan. They deserve better than a five time draft dodger who called the fallen of war suckers and losers. They deserve better than someone who demeaned a pow, disparaged a Gold Star family, insulted a military widow, desecrated Arlington National Cemetery, told John Kelly that he did not know as he stood on hollow ground what was in it for them. Our men and women of our military, our service members, they deserve a commander in chief. That doesn't say it is overwhelmingly died.

[Pierce]

Remember that.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me, let me bring. Okay, Ben.

[Pierce]

Military overwhelmingly voted for him twice.

[Piers Morgan]

Hang on, hang on. Ben Ferguson.

[Pierce]

Actually three times.

[Piers Morgan]

This statistic is incredible. So Axios reported on Monday that no president in the modern era has ordered more military strikes against as many different countries as Donald Trump. Now Marjorie Taylor Greene, a former big Trump MAGA supporter said, we said no more foreign wars, no more regime change. We set it on rally stage after rally stage, speech after speech. Trump, Vance, basically the entire admin campaigned on it and promised to put America first and make America great again. There are 93 million people in Iran. Let them liberate themselves. But Iran's on the verge of having nuclear weapons. Yeah, sure. We've been spoon fed that line for decades. And Trump told us all that his bombing this past summer completely wiped it all out. It's always a lie. Always. And it's always America last. That's coming from a once massive Trump supporter, as is Tucker Carlson most of the time who calls this evil and disgusting.

[Pierce]

Yeah, both of them are fringe people, individuals now, not in the Republican conservative movement. Let's just be clear. You're quoting someone that used to be pretty sane and now has gone pretty crazy. Martin Taylor Greene, the most important thing she ever did stream. I'll go back to what I was saying. Absolutely. The overwhelming majority

[Ben Ferguson]

is the mainstream. Tucker Carlson.

[Pierce]

Marjorie Taylor Green is like, is someone. The most important thing she ever did in her time in Congress was wait until the deadline to get her pension to resign one day afterwards. So like you wouldn't talk about being a self. Let me answer the question. Let me answer the question. Don't act like you know what we know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Liberal.

[Pierce]

I won't tell your liberal whack friends what you guys believe. Like neo. Okay.

[Ben Ferguson]

Make sure you put the neo in front of it.

[Pierce]

Neo conservative, whatever you are, it's you go.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay. Can I, can I allow? I would like to allow. I would like to allow the mainstream conservative member of the panel, Ben Fergus Pierce.

[Ben Ferguson]

The rules are interrupts me my whole time. Then I'm going to do it to him. Those are the Piers Morgan roles.

[Pierce]

No, I can't stop laughing about Martin

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

Taylor Greene being friends.

[Piers Morgan]

As always, panelists can behave in any way, in any way they think shows them off in the best possible light.

[Pierce]

Margaret, Marjorie Taylor Greene resigned from Congress because she couldn't win reelection. That's because the Republicans excommunicated her. Yes. Otherwise she would have won. I don't know if you don't know how to like read polling. Okay, but Ben, she read her own polling and saw she wasn't going to win.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, but, Ben, Ben. All right, but, Ben, Ben, Ben, let me just. That Axios stat alone, you know, using. Using that stat as you run seven months now away from the midterm elections, if this goes the wrong way for Donald Trump, and it could easily go the wrong way, they get stuck into a terrible quagmire, you know, Israel and the United States in.

[Pierce]

No, it costs you midterms.

[Piers Morgan]

It doesn't. There's no quick win or whatever. This could lead to a complete shellacking in the midterms. Trump becomes a lame duck president in that eventuality, and this becomes the thing he's remembered for. I mean, the stakes are incredibly high here.

[Pierce]

Yeah, look, I agree with Jack on the point he made earlier that if this goes long and there's troops on the ground in a more traditional way, this will be a disaster. And there's a very good chance the Republicans will get beat in the midterms. That means that Trump's agenda disappears. That means investigations and impeachment start right away. Democrats have already said that they will go after him and impeach him again and go after anyone around impeachment again. I know you guys are grinning in the bottom because you guys like to use lawfare instead of like actually listening to the American people, but what the President of the United States of America has made it clear here, he believed that Iran. This was the moment to act, and this was a moment. You guys were spying on multiple Republicans and abusing power. The government, Susie Wilds and the FBI directors came out. I know you can laugh about it. I mean, you guys are sick. Like, you use the government to weaponize it.

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

They went after. There's a fact here on that Democratic members of Congress, Lawfare, you guys literally

[Pierce]

testify on citizens in the government because you didn't like them. That is a fact. Period. If you get in the House and Senate, I understand that anybody would not

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

initiate an investigation into his. His adversary. You want to talk about lawfare?

[Piers Morgan]

I'm sorry, let's not all speak at once. Right.

[Pierce]

If Donald Trump doesn't get this right and do it in the way that he's described, which is a short term. We're talking about weeks here, right? Four weeks, five weeks, and then be able to pull out. It will be a disaster going into the midterms. I think Donald Trump understands that clearly. And I also think he thought the objective here was worth that risk because he wasn't making this decision for a political reason. If he was, he wouldn't have done it. Right. The polling data that you sit here and you look at. You're like, hey, just don't go there. Let's not do this. The polling data says it's worth it. Going the midterms. I think it was a national security decision for him. I think he understood that national security perspective. I think he understood the threat that Iran was to us and the rest of the world. And I think he saw an opportunity here. And he said, I'm going to take this opportunity to do this because I believe in it that much. If you were making decisions solely based on polling, then you wouldn't make this decision. I think it's a national security decision, which, by the way, is what we want our president to do, whether it's Obama or Joe Biden.

[Piers Morgan]

All right, let me bring in. Let me bring in Tim Miller. I mean, I would. I would categorize it, Tim, more as a massive roll of a dice by Donald Trump. I think he's been persuaded about the timing by Netanyahu and the Israeli government, who've been itching to do this now for a very long time. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't think it would be a good thing for the world. I think he probably does. But I think the timing is so fascinating to me. And the reason I say a roll of a dice is because politically, the downside if this goes even remotely wrong or just get stuck for the next few months is so clear to me. This could absolutely cost Trump everything in terms of political power come November. And once he becomes somebody without control of the House, as Ben said, your ability to do anything just gets paralyzed until the end of your term. So the stakes are incredibly high. But there is another way to look at this, which is Trump has been pretty uniquely successful in doing precision attacks on the foreign stage. You know, whether it's Soleimani when he took him out, whether it's Al Baghdadi when he took him out, whether it was the 12 day war last summer, time and again, whether it's bringing a ceasefire to Gaza and nobody really thought there was a chance of that. Venezuela, time and again, Trump has gone in and done quick surgical strikes on places. It's been a very different philosophy to boots on the ground years in war and so on. And that's probably emboldened him to do this, and he's probably calculating that he, by taking out the entire hierarchy of this regime, which appears to be what's happened to the extent where the next two, three, four and five people they thought might be potential next leaders, apparently all got killed too. Even the ex president Ahmadinejad who I once interviewed has been killed apparently. So a complete wipeout of all the sort of top names in the Iranian regime that he's calculating. This could lead to a domino effect where you could see the regime getting toppled because actually a number of the Revolutionary Guard perhaps turn on it, the army, regular army follow. Suddenly the people feel that this is moving the right way and as we saw in Syria, boom. Suddenly there. I know, look, I'm not saying this will happen, but I'm saying we have seen this happen in different places around the world and it can happen very quickly if people feel like if the ones supporting the regime believe it's going down and the people sense that these things can change very quickly. So you could be in a position by the summer where Donald Trump actually has affected genuine change there. The people have risen up and Iran is removed of a 47 year repressive regime. And that could play well for Trump and it could lead to the Abraham Accords, having Saudi Arabia join it and others. Because I do think the big strategic error Iran has made is attacking the Gulf states. And I think the moment they've done that they've lined up all these places like uae, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others lined up now behind an America Israel pact going into Iran, which I didn't think I'd ever see. So I think a lot of things are possible here.

[Pierce]

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[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Thanks. Yeah, just how strained that hypothetical case of how it could possibly go well is I think speaks to the just political disaster and the danger of this situation for Trump. Sure. Yeah. Obviously he's high on his own supply cuz some of these other one off strikes have gone well. This is obviously very different than that. Yes, obviously he's being influenced by MBS and BB to a degree that they might be just kind of walking around the dog park at this point convincing him to get into this. But this is such a different scenario than all of those other scenarios as mentioned earlier. And thanks, Dave, for the update on the language, but four American troops are already dead. And again, for what in your strange scenario? The best case scenario is that maybe in the future there'll be an internal struggle in Iran and a regime that we like better, but we don't know who it is, we'll be taking control. Like if you polled the American people just two weeks ago and said, hey, would it be worth four American deaths for the possibility that maybe Iran might get a better regime, but we're not sure who it is. I think that would be like a 20 to 80. Only 20% of the country like Ben and a couple of his buddies would be for that. Most of the Republicans wouldn't be for that. And look at this panel. Jack was one of Trump's biggest supporters. He's hedging on this. You know, I supported him. Dave was one of Trump's biggest supporters. He's even more hostile than me against this. He's calling us terrorists. I'm not even that far among Trump's own base. This is a disaster. Independent voters, you look at polls of all ages. Last independent poll I saw had 19% in support of this among independents. And the best case scenario you can point out is that, like, maybe there'll be some new leadership, but we don't know who it is, and we're not supporting a particular person. Like, that's crazy. It's a crazy risk. And sure, yeah, the Arab states are with us for now, but are they going to continue to be if their hotels and their oil reserves are being bombed? Are the people of UAE and Qatar and Saudi as on board with this, as their leadership? I'm skeptical of that. What about our European allies? Oil prices in Europe are up 50% today, and this thing is already a disaster. We're on day three, and they have no plan for getting out of it. It's like we're gonna bomb them for four more weeks and hope that something good happens. Good luck. Yeah, it's a rolling well.

[Piers Morgan]

It's interesting. I mean, the right. I mean. Dave Smith. The oil part of this is fascinating to me because I wasn't an expert on the Strait of Hormuz until yesterday. When I really studied it at length, I was like, well, okay, what goes through this strait? Okay? And, you know, it turns out 20% of the oil production of the world goes through this rate on a daily basis. And it's, you know, it's millions and millions of barrels, but interestingly, 78% of it goes to Asia, predominantly China. Right. About 10% goes to the United States and about 10% to Europe. So, actually, the biggest victim of closing the Strait of Hormuz would be China, who are a traditional ally of the Iranian regime, which raises all sorts of questions. But, you know, Iran itself is somebody that exports a lot of its oil through the Strait of Houz. So they would also damage their own ability to export oil. So they'd be damaging their biggest oil importer from the Strait, which is China, and their own ability to export it. It seems to me that, that playing that card doesn't suit Iran and doesn't suit China. So, you know, you're. You're left then with purely the military card, aren't you?

[Ben Ferguson]

Well, I mean, they're already playing that card, right? And they. They sunk a tanker the other day, and then what happens then is that the insurance companies get. Get worried about ensuring ships going through there. And so you kind of like, in effect, can shut down the Strait of Hormuz. But, you know, to your point, Pierce, about attacking other countries in the region and shutting down the Strait, the idea here, I mean, it seems like the thinking from the Iranian perspective is that they feel like they have to give us a bloody nose in this one, that they can't allow us to do this without suffering some. Now, that's a very difficult calculation. But of course, Pierce, they're making a calculation with a knife to their neck. I mean, the most powerful government in the history of the world's commander in chief announced regime change, and that they have to go. I think also, you know, I would probably even state stronger than what I said at the beginning. It's not that if this goes bad, Donald Trump has destroyed his presidency. If this isn't an overwhelming success in that very unlikely scenario that you laid out, I think this destroys Donald Trump's presidency. I mean, if he goes over there and just kills a bunch of Iranians, the result of this is that a bunch of Iranians are dead, a bunch of Israelis are dead, a bunch of US Soldiers are dead, but the regime still stands, even though he announced regime change. And then he just comes back. I mean, I think that's death for the rest of his presidency. So he's. Everybody has now painted themselves into a very difficult position to get out of. You know, Jack had a. Maybe a couple months ago, Jack put out, like, a mini documentary on the war in Iraq, which was excellent. It was excellent. I shared it on Twitter. And one of the things, I believe you had this in There, I can't remember. I've watched too much stuff about the war in Iraq. But I believe you had in there the quote, unmeet the press, where Dick Cheney says, right before the war in Iraq, it'll be weeks, not months. You know, it's really easy at the beginning of the. It's really easy at the beginning of this thing to say, oh, well, don't worry. The plan is, it'll go really great. But I mean, Pierce, it is true. Look, people were celebrating in the streets. That is. That is true. People in Venezuela were celebrating in the streets. Of course, the regime isn't gone, and the people in Venezuela don't have any more liberty than they did then. Now, of course, in Iraq, which is a super majority Shiite country, there were a lot of people celebrating in the streets. When Saddam Hussein first fell, he was a brutal dictator who dictate who oppressed the majority of his population. But the thing is this, Pierce, right? In the last Iranian election, the candidate, the president, who was far to the right of the last president, got like 20% of the vote. You know, Iran is a country of 90 million people. If you got even 5 million people who are committed, you know, Ayatollah loving Islamists, well, that's more than enough for a healthy insurgency. And so the thing is that this has, if you actually, by the way,

[Pierce]

just for perspective, Saddam also got about 90% of the votes in his last election, too. So there are major questions. Yeah, that was like, I don't think it's fair to the people in Iran to say that they voted for this guy, this shot. The ayatollah got over 90 every time he was on the ballot. Like, that's. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right.

[Ben Ferguson]

You're just not.

[Pierce]

You're just not a fair election anyway. Like, that's just crap.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not claiming it is. You're just missing the point.

[Pierce]

But I'm not claiming it to act like they chose a guy. No, no, no.

[Ben Ferguson]

You just don't get like, people. They're not real. They're not real elections necessarily. They don't act like they are just. Yeah, I mean, you just don't act like they are.

[Pierce]

You just quoted. Okay, well, you know, you can't win the argument. And then you're like, okay, maybe it was a fake election.

[Ben Ferguson]

I. I admire that. You know, you can't win the argument, so you just have to talk over me every time. Listen, man, we've already pierced true or false election.

[Pierce]

The last time there was election. True or False, Pierce. Was it free election?

[Ben Ferguson]

True or false, Pierce?

[Pierce]

Because, you guys, I have to simplify it for you.

[Ben Ferguson]

Okay, cool, cool, cool.

[Piers Morgan]

Pierce, point.

[Ben Ferguson]

For the last two years, Pierce, for the first time, really, in my lifetime, and maybe in American history, the war hawks have had to come debate us like it's a new. It's a new reality now. Like, Ted Cruz was trying to tweet at me the other day. Like, now that the media has been decentralized and the corporate media is destroyed, they actually have to come in and have the argument. And we have so consistently destroyed you guys over the last two years that

[Pierce]

just like the propaganda put out about the elections in Iran, you destroyed us.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yeah, Again, just killed interrupting.

[Jack Posobiec]

Pierce.

[Ben Ferguson]

He can't let me make the point. This is now a pro Palestinian country. That's how bad you guys have lost the argument. So you guys are all giddy now because you got your war, even though the American people are totally against it. Just wait, dude. What you just. By the way, Pierce, it's almost like

[Pierce]

you're rooting for American failure. So you can be right on Twitter. That's pretty messed up.

[Ben Ferguson]

Okay, so, Pierce, this is how stupid this is. If I were to say to someone, don't get hammered and go out and drive your car. And then you get hammered and go out and drive your car, and I go, hey, you're hammered. Come home right now. Ben would say, you're rooting for me to crash the car. No, dummy, I'm rooting for you to get out of the car you're fucking.

[Pierce]

The difference between you is, is that you're sitting there and you're saying you don't care about the people in Iran. You don't care about troops have been killed by Iran. You guys talked about.

[Piers Morgan]

You know, the reality.

[Ben Ferguson]

You don't care about.

[Piers Morgan]

Time out. You know the reality. The reality, Dave, about what you said about the last two years in the media and stuff is actually one of the reasons why my show has become increasingly popular. It's precisely because you would not see a debate. You would not see a debate like we've seen between you and Ben Ferguson for the last hour anywhere on mainstream media. Actually. It's actually. It's actually an important and healthy thing that people who have diametrically opposed views have to duke it out with each other.

[Ben Ferguson]

I feel like I learned one quick point. NPR's one quick point that I didn't get.

[Piers Morgan]

Very quickly. We run out of time, but very quickly, Ben.

[Ben Ferguson]

If Ben. Which, by the way, my prediction on this Donald Trump has lost the midterm elections. And if this thing goes bad, the 2028 election is gone and a Democrat will win. And even by Ben's own admission here, he's risking. He's risking handing this country back over to the Democrats. For what? To maybe liberate the people of Iran. That's America first. That we're going to risk President Aoc over them getting their freedom. I mean, Jack, dude, you got to admit, we got to abandon this president now. Dude, that's it.

[Pierce]

He chose Mark Levant.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, let me ask you. Don't all talk at once. I want to ask Jack. I want to ask Jack this. So polymark, it's an interesting point. This, I think. So Polymarket have asked about the possibility of a ceasefire. Right. 1% by March 2nd. I think I can agree with that. But by the end of March, 45% potentially. But the highest overall, April 30, there could be a ceasefire by then, 65%. I think the interesting thing here is Trump's done a lot of U turns recently about a lot of stuff, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if at some stage, if this is going the wrong way, he suddenly pivots to, you know what? We had a job to take out the ayatollah and the top of this evil regime. We put them back in their box, they won't dare do this again. And he claims, or attempts to claim a victory based on what has already been done, accepting that they can't do an awful lot more. Could you see that situation?

[J.D. Vance]

I mean, I could absolutely see that. Look, I was just saying before, Donald Trump is not George W. Bush, J.D. vance is not Dick Cheney. So you can't put, you know, kind of Orange's comparison in that situation. And thank God they're not right, obviously.

[Pierce]

Yeah.

[J.D. Vance]

And that's why we haven't seen these troop movements talking. I mean, sure, he's. He's never going to, you know, announce in a press conference what the strategy is going to be, but we just haven't seen Marines and expeditionary units and army being sent over. We've seen naval power, we've seen air power, so we just haven't seen boots on the ground, really been seriously deployed to the area. What it looks like to me, I would be surprised if this thing goes beyond March, personally. That's what the president's been signaling in terms of four weeks. And he's already said that he thinks it's ahead of schedule because of this situation where they got 40 to 49 members of the Leadership out. So the minute I think that someone comes up and it's just, you know, reading the tea leaves here, but the minute I think that someone comes up that seems to be a stable leadership, whether that be irgc, whether that be the civilian president, whether that be another ayatollah, I think they're going to take anyone.

[Jack Posobiec]

It could be an ayatollah, it could be the ig, it could be the Persian people, It could be a lady from the streets. We don't know. It's a great plan. I mean, at least. George.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay,

[Pierce]

yes.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay.

[Pierce]

Final, final words.

[Piers Morgan]

Jojo. Jojo, very quickly, you look like you were indeed licking your lips at the prospect of all this potentially going so badly that you lick your lips at

[Pierce]

hoping we fail, but keep going.

[Piers Morgan]

November.

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

Hold on a minute. I want to clarify something. We have, you know, human lives that are at stake here. I am not hoping that it goes badly when it comes to our service members. I want to be very, very clear about that. I'm not hoping it goes badly at all. Certainly not for the Iranian people. What I want to know is what our national security interests are here. What I want to know is how any of this makes any of us any safer. What I want to know is how any of this makes my grocery bill lower or lowers my electricity or it gets more transparency for the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein. I want to know how this advances the United States of America. Because what I'm looking at is something that makes us less safe. And we're already, by the way, since we're all talking about this being the tipping point in the don't tip the waiter game, we're already looking at a country where everything is moving in the wrong direction. We are poorer, we are sicker, we are hemorrhaging manufacturing jobs. We're basically not even adding job our economy at all right now. Again, GDP moving the wrong direction. Inflation is basically stagnant. The United States of America is in a bad place right now. So for Donald Trump to choose to do this right now when he doesn't have a real justification, he's certainly not made the case to the American people. It's deeply, deeply unpopular. Maybe one quarter of the American people support this at all. I'm focused on what actually helps the United States of America. And when Donald Trump sold himself as the Joe Biden's president that he was gonna America great again, Joe Biden had our economy moving in the exact right direction. We were the envy of all our nations once again inherited. Ben, do you ever just let Someone talk.

[Pierce]

Joe Biden. He was really insane.

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

Yeah, let's do some jobs. Donald Trump, actually.

[Piers Morgan]

Hang on, hang on, hang on.

[Pierce]

Let's be clear.

[Piers Morgan]

We're not going back over Biden other than to say, even Joe Biden can't remember. Can't remember whether he got things right or wrong. Right.

[Pierce]

Yeah.

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

Really peers.

[Piers Morgan]

Joe Biden. Joe Biden, I'm afraid, sorry to say this. Joe Biden. Joe Biden was a zombie president for the last two years. The other point I make is the US Economy is actually. Wait a minute. The US Economy is actually doing very well comparative to most countries in the world. The problem Donald Trump has is he's not filtering very well to ordinary, hardworking people because inflation is still there. And inflation, as I explained to one of my guests the other day who wasn't too sure what it was, inflation means prices are still going up until you have no inflation.

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

I know who you're talking about.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. So, look, I gotta leave it there. We run out of time. But I think the point I would make is the US Economy is actually doing well. And that is why I find this decision by Donald Trump extremely fascinating and very precarious, and we'll see how it plays out. But I think the midterms and Donald Trump's legacy hinge entirely on how this now plays out, this war on Iran. Thank you all to my panel very much.

[Ben Ferguson]

Thanks, Piers.

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

Thank you.

[Piers Morgan]

Make sure you check out this week's episode of History Uncensored with Bianca Novolo. She's put together a gripping account of Iran's remarkable history and how it will shape the success or failure of the war now raging today. History Uncensored. Wherever you listen to podcasts and of course on YouTube via the link in. Our show notes Piers Morgan unsensed and is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain, and we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical, and we couldn't do it without you.

[Joe Carducci (JoJo)]

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