"ALL He Does Is Bash Muslims!" Tommy Robinson & Palestine Rallies ANGER Piers Morgan Panel

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Piers Morgan Uncensored "ALL He Does Is Bash Muslims!" Tommy Robinson & Palestine Rallies ANGER Piers Morgan Panel

Date: May 18, 2026
Host: Piers Morgan
Guests/Panel: Cenk Uygur (founder, The Young Turks), Don Keith (Real Beef podcast), Ava Santino (Politics Joe), Sintish ("Based and Bougie”), Jonathan Conricus (former IDF spokesman), Kieran Andreu (journalist/Palestinian activist)

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Episode Overview

This fiery episode centers on recent mass rallies in London—one led by Tommy Robinson (“Unite the Kingdom”), another in support of Palestine. The discussion explores the heated culture war over immigration, Islamophobia, "two-tier" policing, free speech, and anti-Semitism, as well as the manipulation and exaggeration of event sizes. The latter part of the podcast transitions to a passionate debate about Islam in British institutions, the use of hate speech, and Israel’s actions in relation to the Eurovision Song Contest and a lawsuit against the New York Times.

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Main Themes and Key Points

1. Competing Rallies & Crowd Size Exaggeration

Timestamps: 00:00 – 11:20

• Exaggerated Claims: Both the pro-Robinson and pro-Palestine marches are accused of vastly overstating attendance (e.g., Robinson's camp claimed "millions"; police said 50,000).
  • Quote, Piers Morgan (01:00): "Tommy Robinson, on the other hand, is either lying or just very bad at maths."
• Patriotism vs. Far-right Label: Sintish stresses that supporting the Union Jack shouldn’t be labelled “far right.”
  • Sintish (06:07): "If seeing the Union Jack makes you cross, respectfully, pack your bags and get lost."
• The “Biggest” March? Host repeatedly points out that neither march “made history” and challenges the hyperbole.
  • Piers Morgan (11:06): "Bigger than the signing of the Magna Carta, the Battle of Britain, Brexit?. . ."
  • Sintish admits: "It wasn't the biggest event in British history." (11:17)

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2. Free Speech, Islam in Britain, and Tommy Robinson’s Influence

Timestamps: 12:07 – 24:43

• Islamophobia vs. Criticizing Islam: Substance blurs between attacking “Islam” (the religion) vs. "Muslims" (the people). Debate erupts over where legitimate criticism ends and hate speech begins.
  • Host (14:47): "All [Robinson] does on social media is bash Muslims and Islam."
• “Get Islam Out of Parliament”: Panel confronts comments made from the rally stage, with critics alleging outright bigotry.
  • Sintish (15:04): "No, from Parliament. He never said from Britain. He said from Parliament."
  • Cenk Uygur (16:37): "When they start talking about kicking out Muslims from—even from Parliament—why should Muslims not serve in Parliament? That’s obviously and directly racist and bigoted."
• Bacon Antics and Religious Respect: Discussion of an anti-Muslim performance (bacon as a prop) at the rally and freedom to offend vs. deliberate provocation.
  • Sintish (15:39): "You have to be very fragile to get upset about someone putting bacon on a T-shirt."
  • Cenk Uygur (16:33): "Silly skits about bacon I could care less about...when it becomes denying Muslims place in Parliament—that’s a problem."
• Cultural Double Standards: Cenk highlights disparity in public reaction to anti-Muslim vs. anti-Semitic speech, alleging systemic bias tied to pro-Israel narratives in the UK/US.
  • Cenk Uygur (16:55): "If they said 1% of this about Jews, they’d probably be imprisoned."

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3. Policing, Speech, and Accusations of Suppression

Timestamps: 18:27 – 28:40

• Don Keith Barred From UK: Don Keith, an American commentator, was denied entry without explanation. He claims innocence and suggests guilt by association with Robinson and criticism of Islam.
  • Don Keith (19:02): "I've never incited violence. . . I'm just baffled as to why I would be banned."
• Discussion of Free Speech: Keith asserts Britain lacks true free speech; the host counters with statistics contextualizing online “speech crime” prosecutions.
  • Piers Morgan (21:57): "Sadiq Khan is actually a very moderate Muslim. . . He’s been re-elected twice."
• Sharia Courts and Grooming: The panel locks horns over claims about sharia courts, their authority, and women’s safety—escalating into accusations of exaggeration and projection.

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4. Explosive Exchanges Over Grooming Gangs & Inflammatory Claims

Timestamps: 30:10 – 43:54

• Statistical Battles: Don Keith repeatedly cites unsubstantiated claims of “250,000” white British girls raped by Muslim men; Ava Santino debunks this, stating official data doesn’t exist to support it.
  • Ava Santino (38:07): "I can’t find any evidence of that statistic."
• Projection and Bigotry: Exchanges degenerate into accusations—Cenk accuses Keith of “projecting” his own fantasies; Morgan intervenes to moderate and calls the exchange distasteful.
  • Cenk Uygur (34:41): "What happens all the time with anti-Muslim hatred is projection."
• Empathy vs. Facts: Sintish insists the debate ignores the suffering of child rape victims to focus on racial statistics, clashing with Ava and the host.
  • Sintish (39:00): "Rather than people just focusing on the fact that these children have been raped, they're talking about Islamophobia, racism."
• Panel Fallout: Ava Santino storms out after being labeled “demonic” by Sintish for “disgusting” responses; the host rebukes the behavior.
  • Host (42:50): "The way you started this panel and the way you ended it suggests you shouldn’t have passed our bar."

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5. Islamophobia, Zionism, & Double Standards in Public Discourse

Timestamps: 45:19 – 54:30

• Islam in Public Life: Debate on whether calls to “remove Islam from every official office” are analogous to anti-Semitism—would similar rhetoric about Jews be condemned?
  • Host (46:40): "If she had said, ‘Let’s remove Judaism from all public institutions,’ you’d have gone nuts. Rightly, I’d have agreed with you."
• Panelists Argue Definitions: Jonathan Conricus distinguishes between “Islam” and “Muslims”; Piers Morgan and others accuse him of hair-splitting, equating removal of Islam to excluding Muslims themselves.
  • Host (50:20): "...if the only people practicing Islam are Muslims and she's talking about removing human beings...she is talking about Muslims."
• Secularism and Double Standards: The host argues for a secular system guaranteeing religious freedom, calling out selective outrage.

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6. Eurovision, Hasbara, and Israel’s Lawsuit Against NYT

Timestamps: 57:50 – End

• Eurovision Manipulation: Discussion of reports of Israeli government campaigns to boost Eurovision votes—as part of "hasbara" (soft power reputation management)—and whether cultural boycotts are justified.
  • Piers Morgan (68:03): "Do you honestly believe that Israel had the second best performing act in the last two years? Or do you think there could be...an online campaign that suited the Israeli government?"
• When Should Boycotts Happen?: Host draws comparisons, noting hypocrisies in when bans are enacted for countries accused of human rights violations.
  • Host (70:07): "Given we took part in [the Iraq war]...should have been held to the same account."
• NYT Lawsuit and Sexual Violence Claims: Israeli PM Netanyahu threatens to sue the NYT. Discussion ensues on plausibility, evidence, and the broader context of accusations of abuse in Israeli prisons.
  • Jonathan Conricus (59:49): "I think it would be naive to think that there isn't abuse in Israeli prisons as there is in every prison around the world."
  • Kieran Andreu / Piers Morgan (63:44): Personal testimony about abuse in Israeli prisons resurfaces the topic of systematic abuse claims.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Piers Morgan (35:41): "No, but the point...it's much more outrageous to say it about all Muslims. The only reason you would think it is if it's a fantasy in your head."
• Sintish (39:23): "When we're talking about grooming gangs…yes, it is Asian Muslims. We're not saying it's all men. . .if someone raped your daughter, you would not want someone to come to you talking about ethnicity."
• Ava Santino (38:07): "I can't find any evidence of that statistic..."
• Cenk Uygur (48:48): "They want people to hate Muslims. . .there's a politics behind it. The Israelis pay people in the UK and US to spread hatred towards Muslims."
• Host (47:11): "Let me bring in Kieran...if that had been at the other rally—a speaker saying, 'We've got to get rid of the Jews'—it would have been roundly condemned."

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Key Timestamps for Reference

• 00:00–03:15: Opening; context of competing rallies and Robinson's claims
• 05:28–07:17: Sintish’s call for patriotism; confusion over Union Jack/English flag
• 11:15–14:57: Panelists debate legitimacy, Robinson’s history, anti-Muslim rhetoric
• 16:33–19:02: Cenk on anti-Muslim double standards; Don banned from UK
• 23:47–30:10: Sharia courts, Sadiq Khan, rape statistics, Islamophobia
• 34:01–41:00: Escalates into personal attacks, projection, accusations of demonizing
• 42:50–43:54: Rebuke over statistical exaggeration, clarifying compassion for victims
• 45:19–51:51: Islam/Islamism in politics; double standards re: Jewish/Islamic exclusion
• 57:50–61:44: Eurovision manipulation, Israeli soft power, NYT lawsuit
• 63:44–66:00: Israel/Palestinian prison abuse claims; personal testimony
• 68:03–72:00: Arguments for/against cultural and sports boycotts

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Episode Tone and Energy

The tone is combative and unsparing—with multiple direct confrontations, accusations of lying, projection, and hypocrisy. Host Piers Morgan attempts to moderate, but at times is drawn into the debate himself. Through its heated energy, the show attempts to “uncensor” hard divides in British (and global) political and cultural dialogue.

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Conclusion

This episode is emblematic of Piers Morgan Uncensored’s mission: to face divisive, real-world controversies without pulling punches. The wide-ranging debate exposes fault lines—on bigotry, free speech, media manipulation, and double standards—occasionally finding rare points of agreement amid cacophony. If you missed it, the summary above captures both the clash and content—warts and all.

Transcript

[Piers Morgan]

We're on the march, we're walking up towards Trafalgar Square. The crowds go. This is the biggest event in British history.

[Don Keith]

Do you have a vendetta against Tommy Robinson? Because the last time he was on his show, he gave you a shellacking and you've never forgiven him for him.

[Cenk Uygur]

What happens all the time with anti Muslim hatred is projection.

[Don Keith]

I'm not anti Muslim. Hold on, hold on.

[Cenk Uygur]

Shut up.

[Piers Morgan]

Hey, bigot.

[Don Keith]

You shut up.

[Cenk Uygur]

Shut up. Shut your mouth.

[Don Keith]

What you gonna do?

[Sintish (Based)]

Do you have sympathy for the young English girls that have been assaulted? Do you have sympathy?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Sorry.

[Don Keith]

Oh.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Oh, unfortunately.

[Sintish (Based)]

So you've just exposed yourself.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I have a no stupid people rule for this show. The way you started this panel and the way you've ended it suggests that you shouldn't have passed our bar. Well, later on the show, we will debate Israel's threat to sue the New York Times and claims of an Israeli plot to hijack voting at the Eurovision Song Contest. We'll begin with the competing rallies held this weekend in London. Tommy Robinson's Unite the Kingdom march has captured the imaginations of many conservatives around the world, not least among the US right wing. And imagination is certainly the word I would use for it. Millions of people have seen this image over the last 48 hours alongside claims half the country turned out for Tommy. It shouldn't take a genius to figure out that's not London. In fact, that's not even a real photograph. The police say about 50,000 attended. And despite the usual cries of conspiracy, there's no evidence or reason to think that they're lying. Tommy Robinson, on the other hand, is either lying or just very bad at maths. We're on the march.

[Piers Morgan]

We're walking up towards Trafalgar Square. The crowd, Parliament Square's already full. The crowd stretched from here to Euston Station, apparently, which is Miles.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Okay.

[Piers Morgan]

And Miles. This is the biggest event in British history. This is the moment, a turning point for Britain. A message to the leaders. Britain's ready for the fight. People are up. We're awake. We're not going to back down.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

We want our country back. What I'd like is some accuracy back. This wasn't the biggest event in British history. It wasn't even the biggest event in London this weekend. Given that 84,000 people attended the FA cup final at Wembley and there was some equally creative accounting going on a mile away at the rival march in Support of Palestine, MP Zara Sultana said she was proud to join the 250,000 people at the Nakba rally, which police say was in fact attended by 20,000 people. To be clear, this doesn't mean that tens of thousands of people attended the rallies they did. It just doesn't mean that their views should be exaggerated in such a ridiculous manner. Their opinions are valid and I respect them. Most people in this country, I think are a moderate, tolerant and open minded group of people, certainly more than you may have been led to believe. The rally also showed that Tommy Robinson's onto something when he talks about two tier policing. He just hasn't quite figured out what it is yet.

[Ava Santino]

It's not too late to get Islam

[Sintish (Based)]

out of that building.

[Ava Santino]

It is not too late to get Islam out of every single official office in this country.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

The speakers and performers at the Pro Palestine rally have made similar speeches about Jews that have been arrested amid a national outcry. And for the record, they would have deserved it. Before we debate all of this, I want to finish with a point we could probably all agree on. Finally, Tommy Robinson and me agree about something. Cutting that monstrosity off before it could finish. And to be fair to him, he has united the Kingdom in condemning what we just heard as possibly, and I speak as a former judge on Britain's Got Talent, the least talented singing we've ever heard on these aisles. Well, joining me now are Chenk Yuga, the founder and CEO of the Young Turks and a prominent critic of online Islamophobia. Don Keith, host of the Real Beef podcast, who was barred from entering the UK to attend the rally. Ava Santino, political editor at Politics. Joe and Sintish, better known as Based and Buji, who attended the United Kingdom rally and called me out on stage. And we'll get to that in a moment. Let's get to that off the start because it was brought to my attention. Welcome to Uncensored Sintish.

[Sintish (Based)]

Thank you so much.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Do I call you Sintish or Based and Bougie or Based or Bougie?

[Sintish (Based)]

Based. Bougie, Sintish, whatever.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Any one of the three.

[Sintish (Based)]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

What's your actual name?

[Sintish (Based)]

Sintish.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

That's your name you were born with?

[Sintish (Based)]

Yeah, that's my name. Sintish.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But Based and Bougie is your.

[Sintish (Based)]

It's just the name that I use for my account.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Yeah, got it. So you talked about me during this event. Let's have a look.

[Sintish (Based)]

You're seeing people in solitary confinement for a difference of opinion and now you're seeing people like the likes of Piers Morgan calling us the same old boring far right for being patriotic. Well, I have a question for Piers Morgan, if this is a far right racist, extremist event, then what the am I doing here? The establishment, Piers Morgan, Keir Starmer need to learn that us patriots are this country's last hope. And rather than waking up to this fact, they would rather sit there and police when and where the English people wear the English flag. Let me make something very clear. If seeing the Union Jack makes you cross, respectfully pack your bags and get lost. Support the country you live in or go live in the country you support.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Obviously, I fully respect your right to free speech. What is the Union Jack, do you think?

[Sintish (Based)]

For me, the Union Jack is a

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

sign of first, what is it? Whose flag is the Union Jack?

[Sintish (Based)]

The British flag. The British flag.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You said English flag there.

[Sintish (Based)]

The English. No, the Union Jack is the British flag.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Why did you say English flag?

[Sintish (Based)]

Obviously, when you're under pressure, you end up saying things. But it is the British.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You don't think England is United Kingdom?

[Sintish (Based)]

No, I'm just saying that it's Union Jack obviously represents. I know the difference between the two. But what we discuss in here.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

What is the English flag? Do you know?

[Sintish (Based)]

It's the. Is this flag with the red cross.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Right, but that wasn't the one behind you and that wasn't the one you were talking about.

[Sintish (Based)]

Okay, congratulations. You caught me here.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, no, I'm not trying to take Gotcha. I'm just saying if you're going to

[Sintish (Based)]

start when you're under pressure, you're going to start saying things.

[Don Keith]

Okay.

[Sintish (Based)]

If you're going to start haranguing millions of people, you get a little bit nervous.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But since you.

[Sintish (Based)]

Millions of people, you're going to start

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

haranguing people like me for not understanding what it means to be English. It would help if you understood what the English flag actually is.

[Sintish (Based)]

Oh, you caught me.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Do you want to apologise?

[Sintish (Based)]

No, I'm not going to apologise because I was under pressure. It was a crowd full of millions of people. Even though you tried to downplay millions of people.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

50,000 people were there. The police said.

[Sintish (Based)]

The police said there was 1.2 million.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

No, the police said 50,000.

[Sintish (Based)]

Okay, even if it was 1.2, why

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

are you lying about the number of people?

[Sintish (Based)]

Why would I lie? That's what I saw.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

The police confirmed there were 50,000 people.

[Sintish (Based)]

Okay, but Piers, why did you.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Are they all lying?

[Sintish (Based)]

Okay, but Piers, did you have me hiding somewhere? I didn't see all the issues they was talking about, whether it's women being. You just said what.2 million people were there. Whether it's all the issues they were talking about, women being groomed. The only thing you're obsessed about is the numbers. Are you being serious?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Do you know what I saw in talking about, talking of the treatment of women's symptoms? You know, one of the clips that I saw that was doing the rounds from the rally.

[Sintish (Based)]

Show me.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

It was where some women were looking down from a rooftop down at the rally. And a lot of the people marching in the rally men chanted, get your tits out for the lads. And thought that was hilarious. And how does that square, do you think, with protecting women?

[Sintish (Based)]

Well, I obviously think that's absolutely disgusting. And if Tommy Robertson or all of the organizers were to see that, they would be absolutely disgusting. But you bringing that up, what's the point? Because there's so many people under your comment section who may look at me and they may call me the N word or the B word. Is that a reflection of you, may I ask?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

There are people calling you the N word of my comments section.

[Sintish (Based)]

There may be people out there.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Have you made that up?

[Sintish (Based)]

I said they may.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You haven't even appeared on my show.

[Sintish (Based)]

I said there may be. There may be. And they do it with other guests.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

They haven't even appeared on my show.

[Sintish (Based)]

Okay, well, they may do it with other guests as well. They may insult other of your. Guess what I'm saying is, have you

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

actually looked at the conversation?

[Sintish (Based)]

Yes, I have.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Who are you talking about?

[Sintish (Based)]

Let me finish my sentence. What am I here for? If you're not letting me finish my

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

sentence, I think you're just making stuff up.

[Sintish (Based)]

What I'm trying to say is, when you go on your comment section, of course people say negative things. Is that a reflection of you?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Have you ever seen anyone be called the N word in my comment section?

[Sintish (Based)]

What I'm saying is people say negative things.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You just said that. That happened.

[Sintish (Based)]

People say negative things.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Have you seen it?

[Sintish (Based)]

Let's put the N word aside. People say negative things. Is that a reflection of you?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

So so far we've moved from. So far we've established.

[Sintish (Based)]

You better answer my question.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I don't know who you. Until you came today, I had no idea who you are. Right.

[Sintish (Based)]

Okay, great.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

And I'm very happy to have you here. I absolutely respect your right to be on this march.

[Sintish (Based)]

Thank you so much.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Not a problem.

[Sintish (Based)]

Thank you so much.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I respect the right of everyone to protest peacefully.

[Don Keith]

Thank you so much.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

And actually, both marches went off relatively peacefully with a small handful of arrests. I commend the police for Excellent work and I commend the marchers for not being violent. Okay, thank you so much. Shouldn't have to come to that, but I do. But so far you've only been on the show three minutes and so far we've established that you got the flag wrong. Okay, Right. When you were lecturing me about what it takes to be English under pressure with black people, you said there were 1.2 million people when the police said there were 50,000. Who cares? Right? And then you start accusing us of having black people accused of being the N word on my comment section and then admit you've never actually seen that.

[Sintish (Based)]

I will find it and I will post it. It's a reflection of me.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

No disrespectful.

[Sintish (Based)]

Is the negative comments the reflection of you? The same way people are sentish.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You don't even know what comments you're talking about.

[Sintish (Based)]

I have seen the comments. They've said nasty. Give me one about Andrew Tate, about Candace Owens. They will call Candace Owens, you know, a Jew hater. They will call Andrew Tate misogynistic. Is that a reflection of you? So don't point that at Tommy. That. My point is just because negative things happen at event filled with millions, don't now point that at Tommy. And this is what I mean. You've come here to nitpick at the most silliest things, even though there's very important things, like women who have been groomed, like men who have been stabbed by Islamists. And then you come here to talk to me about flipping 50,000 people. And when I said the English flag and British flag. This is absolutely irrelevant to the whole point of the event.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Do you agree with that?

[Sintish (Based)]

What are we actually talking about today, Piers? Can we talk about something important rather than nitpicking people?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Why don't we talk about Tommy Robinson's claim that it was the biggest event in British history? Do you believe that?

[Sintish (Based)]

I think it was last year.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Bigger than the signing of the Magna Carta, the Act of the Union, the Industrial Revolution, the Battle of Britain, Bigger than Brexit, for example.

[Sintish (Based)]

I don't think he even said that. Why are you comparing?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Literally just said it in the clip we played five minutes ago.

[Sintish (Based)]

Okay, well, I think it was an excellent event. It was a huge event. I was there present myself.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Was it the biggest event in British history?

[Sintish (Based)]

It wasn't the biggest.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

50,000 people. It wasn't.

[Sintish (Based)]

It wasn't the biggest event in British.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

No, we're getting somewhere absurd now. We're so absurd. I agree.

[Sintish (Based)]

Yes. We finally Found something to.

[Cenk Uygur]

It's great.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

We're getting somewhere. We're getting somewhere. By the end of this, you'll be denouncing Tommy Robinson. Absolutely not as a fantasist. All right, let me bring in Ava here. Welcome back to Uncensored. You know, in a way, I have a view about all these marches that if they are inciting hatred and you can see clear evidence of that, I think that's unacceptable if they're not, just because we don't particularly agree with people's politics or their views or don't like the look of them. To me, in a democracy, if you're protesting peacefully, that's fine by me. I think you and I have discussed this and you didn't dissent from that down pro March. Did you see anything at the weekend in either march that you felt crossed a line?

[Ava Santino]

Well, I was quite alarmed at some of the anti Semitic theories that were circulating that march. And you know, as with all marches, they're not going to be all 50,000 people saying those things. It is going to be people on the fringes. But I was deeply concerned about this idea that was widely being talked about that Jews were moving Muslims into the United Kingdom to destabilize the government. And this was more than 10 or 11 people saying this. This was circulating. That deeply concerns me. Another thing that concerns me is that under the guise of other political movements, Tommy Robinson has managed to sort of launder his reputation with the British National Party, the bnp, which believed in ethnic nationalism. He would not have wanted any person of color if he believed in what the BNP did at that time, at that march. And what scares me is that this is just the beginning. It's get everyone on side. What's going to happen next? I mean, does that not worry you that he was in the bnp? Does that not scare you?

[Sintish (Based)]

So why did he leave the bnp? Why did he stop supporting.

[Ava Santino]

Well, the BNP disbanded. It stopped becoming a political force. It stopped being a political force.

[Sintish (Based)]

Well, from my understanding of Tommy Robinson, he left the bnp. He left the EDL because of these racist rhetorics. For example, there's a new party could Restore Britain. After Restore Britain launched, there was a lot of people that were being extremely racist towards people like myself. And Tommy Robinson actually recently came out and made a video saying that Rupert Lowe needs to actually sort this out and stop the racism. So I'm quite confused to how you're still here trying to be so disappointed.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But when you have,

[Ava Santino]

may I just

[Sintish (Based)]

say that Africans also singing at the event we saw so many Sikhs and you're still trying to sit here, you'll say it was racist. You still think he said.

[Ava Santino]

Well, I didn't say that he was racist. I said that he was part of the BNP that believed in ethnic nationalism in the past. It surprises me, but can you really repent for something like that?

[Sintish (Based)]

Yes, you can.

[Ava Santino]

You know, I would.

[Sintish (Based)]

I don't even think. Did you know, during the edl, he had a sign that said black and white unite. And he also had the Sikh division, He had the black, he had the lgbt. During the edl, during the. I just always wonder why you don't talk about that.

[Ava Santino]

Where's the line drawn? Because is it the one drop rule or is it like, if you've been in Britain for a certain number of generations, then are you considered British in their eyes?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

That.

[Ava Santino]

What concerns me is what are the parameters of race that is acceptable for someone who may have been in the bnp, who may have been in the. Yeah, where's the time?

[Sintish (Based)]

What if he actually took the time to actually look at Tommy Robinson's tweets rather than listening to the mainstream media that nobody cares about? Let me finish.

[Ava Santino]

Let me finish. Let me finish, because I just.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Sorry, let me finish.

[Ava Santino]

If you actually listen to mainstream media nonsense, because immediately your argument is redundant

[Sintish (Based)]

to me so much back.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

All he does on his social media, when he's not. When he's not calling me a giant sausage, all he does on social media is bash Muslims and Islam. That's his shtick.

[Sintish (Based)]

He doesn't bash Muslims. He bash Muslims.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

He literally had people on stage saying, get rid of all Islam from Britain. That means kicking every Muslim.

[Sintish (Based)]

No, from Parliament. He never said from Britain. He said from Parliament.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

There were speakers saying, get rid of Islam from Britain.

[Sintish (Based)]

If you're referring to the women, she said, parliament. And this is a Christian country, it should be Christian.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

So let me ask you, there are 5 million Muslims in this country.

[Sintish (Based)]

Yes.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Should they be allowed to stay?

[Sintish (Based)]

Of course they can. As long as they abide by Christian customs and don't force their religion on us. The same way if I go to Dubai, I would not force my Christian values on.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

So when you had a guy called Ryan Williams performing with bacon on his shoulders and his ex account said, my mission is to inflict maximum damage on Islam. We've got a picture of it here. What do you feel about that?

[Sintish (Based)]

I personally feel as though he should be free to do whatever he want. And you have to be very fragile to get upset about someone putting bacon On a T shirt.

[Ava Santino]

Drinking Dubai. Do you drink when you go to Dubai?

[Sintish (Based)]

I've been to Dubai, but if I was to, I wouldn't drink because I respect people's costumes.

[Ava Santino]

Would you wear a bikini?

[Sintish (Based)]

No, I wouldn't.

[Piers Morgan]

What would you wear if you went to Dubai?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, let me. All right, let me go. Let me go. To the only Muslim member of the panel today, which is Cenk Yuga. Cenk, welcome to Uncensored. I mean, you've got a guy there on stage with bacon on his shoulder who says his mission is to inflict maximum damage on Islam. And there was constant anti Islam, anti Muslim rhetoric during this rally. And if you look at Tommy Robinson's social media feed, it is a relentless attack, specifically against Islam and Muslims. He pretends he's not anti Muslim, but he constantly attacks not Muslims, the religion of Islam. So what's your view of this, Cheng?

[Sintish (Based)]

It's not Muslims, it's just Islam.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Yeah.

[Cenk Uygur]

So look, I view it in two different ways, and I grew up Muslim, but I'm atheist now, so, you know, I'm not sure that I'm going to be able to speak effectively enough for Muslims. But, like, the bacon on the shoulder and the burqa skit, I don't care about at all, so. Oh, wow, you showed a piece of bacon. It's not like Muslims don't know bacon exists. So I'm not offended by that at all. On the other hand, when they start talking about kicking out Muslims from. Even from Parliament, why. Why should Muslims not serve in Parliament? Well, that's obviously and directly racist and bigoted, so. And to me, the biggest problems, peers, are the hypocrisy. You're right, of course. If they said 1% of this about Jews, they'd probably literally be imprisoned in Britain. And it shows you the disparity in power that the two different groups have. And most importantly, a lot of this hatred toward Muslims are driven by Israeli propaganda. They want the British and the Americans to hate Muslims so that they'll finance the wars against Israel's Muslim neighbors. So those are massive problems. And we've got to root out the people that are in our government and our media that serve foreign countries like Israel and purposely spread bigotry and hatred. Silly skits about bacon I could care less about. And by the way, if we have the same rules, they're allowed to offend Muslims, but we're also allowed to offend Israel. Great. But I'm coming to London in a couple of weeks as, you know, peers, and I intend to Greatly offend Israel. I don't know if I'll be arrested over there. You know, they have some absurd laws in England. My nephew, Hasan Piker is coming with me and he might be arrested because some pro Israel people think that they can say anything they want about Muslims, but the minute you touch Israel, not even Judaism, they think you should be arrested. Obviously, that kind of double standard is unacceptable and is the, you know, refuge of cowards.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Okay, let's bring in Don Keith. Welcome to Uncensored. You were banned.

[Don Keith]

Thank you for having me.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You were banned from attending the Tommy Robinson march. Were you given any specific reason why?

[Don Keith]

I was not given any reason. The notice I got said that the government doesn't have to give you a reason. They don't always give you a reason. I was shocked by it because really, I guess my only crime is being associated with Tommy Robinson and speaking out against things like Islam.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Yeah. I mean, can you think of anything that you have done or said which would warrant you being denied access to the United Kingdom?

[Don Keith]

I've never even. Never committed a crime in my life. I've never incited violence. I've been to the uk. I've attended every one of these UTK rallies in the past. I think from the time it started two years ago, there's been five or six. I've attended every single one. I've marched in every single one. I've never called for violence. So, yeah, I'm just baffled as to why I would be banned from a country just for expressing an opinion, for being associated with Tommy Robinson.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Would you categorize yourself as far right?

[Don Keith]

Absolutely not. What is far right? Who gets to define what far right? To me, the only thing that's far right, apparently, is if you disagree with any of Labor's policies or any left wing policies. That makes you far right. The deciders of what's far right and what's hate speech and things like that are the people in power. That's why Britain is in such dire straits right now with their speech, because they don't have a constitution set in stone that protects their speech rights and their free expression. All they have is a litany of different court precedents and legal precedents that establish what can or cannot be free speech. And that's dictated by the party in power, which means they can change like the wind. That's not really free speech. Britain's never really had free speech. To me, they need some sort of constitution set in stone that protects it.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Do you believe that Muslims should be allowed in the UK Parliament?

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[Don Keith]

Well, that's. I'm not, I'm not a British citizen. I don't like to have. The problem with Islam and the problem of Muslims in Parliament is Islam itself and what it commands of Muslims. They must always make policies and legislation to protect Islam. It's Islam first and foremost. It's never a separation of church and state.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

They couldn't do that as part of the UK Parliament because they'd be subjected to UK law. So that's an irrelevance.

[Don Keith]

Well, they would do their damnedest to try. If you look at what's happening now, you don't even really need Muslim members in Parliament to make change in your country. If you see what's happening all around your country, you don't even need Muslim members in Parliament. All you need is key figures in local suburbs, around, in and around London city councils, mayors, people who can affect change locally and by caveat, you can affect an entire nation. That's what we see happening in Great Britain right now. You don't need Parliament, you don't need the Prime Minister to be Muslim. All you need is mayors like Sadiq Khan who can trickle down his policies to all the little boroughs.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But interestingly, well, I saw Sadiq Khan today, funny enough, at the Chelsea Flower show and we had a nice chat. And Sadiq Khan is actually a very moderate Muslim. He's never. There's no evidence of him ever forcing any kind of extreme Muslim views or laws down on anybody. That's why he's been reelected twice. And he's one of the most successful mayors in London history. And yet he is portrayed in America as some kind of demonic Islamist extremist. And the same way that our free speech is completely mischaracterized by Americans. You know, a lot of Americans believe that 12,000 people were arrested in 2023 for social media posts. It's complete nonsense. Of the 12,000 arrests, nonviolent speech offenses. Well, of the 12,000 arrests that were made. Well, I'll tell you the reality. Of the 12,000 arrests that were made, 1,000 resulted in any convictions. And the vast majority of those were for things like stalking, domestic Harassment, abusive ex partners, incessantly sending threats, intimidating victims, credible violent threats, digital death threats, bomb hoaxes, threats of physical violence.

[Ava Santino]

One of them was me and one

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

of them was Avis. Oh.

[Ava Santino]

One of them. Not a hate speech. One of them was a man who had used hate speech online to say he was gonna set my family on fire. So one of those arrests was a man who did that to me. Now, if you don't think that he should have been arrested, he should just be allowed to say he's gonna set my family on fire. Then we're on two different sides of the coin, clearly.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, the point. Don't. Well, Don, before you answer, the point I'm making is there is a weird mischaracterization, I believe, of my country, right, which is that we're being overrun and overtaken by Muslims. Sharia courts are everywhere. They're ruling the roost and so on. None of this is actually true, right? I mean, you've got about.

[Don Keith]

You've got about 85 Sharia courts.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

They have no. They have no legal standing.

[Don Keith]

I know you were going to say that they do not have legal standing per se. However, if you are a young woman, if you are. No, it's not. Full stop. If you are a young woman in Islam, if you are a young woman, you are forced to adhere to the. To the decisions these courts make within your religion. If not, then you will be castigated by your family and ostracized by your family. You could be even subject to things like honor killings, depending on the situation. There have been young ladies in Britain and other Western countries. You can shake your head all you want, but it's happened. A father recently tried to strangle his daughter in an honor killing, and I can't remember which Western country it was, but when these girls don't adhere to these laws or these decisions by these Sharia courts, and they could be subject to penalties within their own family. So while it may not be legal in the UK's eyes, these young girls are pressured by these courts, and it's them. As we know, Islam doesn't care about women.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

We know that. Out of interest, do you think there's ever been. Is there any evidence, do you think, in America, for example, of any violence towards young women who may have had an abortion, who come from a very, very strong Christian conservative family, for example? Because I can tell you there have been. But do you care about that or is your interest. Of course. Well, is your. Sorry. Okay, that's fair enough. So I want to have a reasonable Discussion. So your view would apply to any religion where the religious belief leads to any form of intimidation or harassment or violence towards women, for example?

[Don Keith]

Of course, of course I do believe in protecting women. I believe in protecting any fragile human being. That's why I'm anti abortion. That's why I'm pro life. I think women, I think children, I think unborn babies should be protected to whatever extremes necessary.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

And do you believe, Don? Because I know you were. When Tommy Robinson was going through some of his court issues, you were there in court in the uk. Do you believe, as Tommy Robinson likes Americans to believe, that he has been a victim of suppression of his free speech and the only reason he's been put in prison is because of that?

[Don Keith]

I 100% believe that Tommy Robinson is a politically targeted figure. 100%. Whether it be because of his free speech or to prevent him from speaking out. Because we know that the Muslim electorate is very important in Britain. They can swing an election. That's why the members in Parliament and other people in the establishment, they want to silence Tommy Robinson at all costs. You look what they did for the silent all about the Silence movie. He wasn't, you know, he found a.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, the Silence movie, let's be clear. Let's be crystal clear about this. There's a reason Tommy Robinson won't come on this show. And the simple reason is he knows I would ask him about the silenced movie and why he was in contempted court and why he went back to prison. And it's because he tells a lot of lies in the silenced movie that were exposed to lie. Well, hang on, let me finish. There was, as you remember, a libel action that was taken, which he lost. He had to pay £100,000 to a young Syrian boy who, who he defamed with egregious lies. He then repeated all the lies in this film he made called Silenced, which he talks about very openly when he's in America, you know, where he doesn't talk about this here with people like me.

[Don Keith]

I've heard him talk about it several times. I heard him talk about it on stage.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

He never gets challenged, Don, here's my point. He never gets challenged directly about all the lies he tells in silence. The reason he got in prison was because of the breach of contempt of court law here, which was if you repeat the lies for which you've just lost a libel action and paid damages to this family, if you do that again, you will go back to prison. That is what he did had nothing to do with free speech.

[Don Keith]

Let me. Okay, let me interject. Okay? As far as silence, I know, I know that you. You love to get on here and tell that Tommy Robinson told lies about silence. That's not the case.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

He did.

[Don Keith]

But everything told in silence. The perspective. No, no, no, no. One judge overrode five witnesses he called.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

See, now what you're doing, you're now repeating. You're now repeating. Defamat. I would be careful.

[Don Keith]

I'm repeating what?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I would be careful because you are repeating.

[Jonathan Comricus]

No, no.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I've read every word of that court case.

[Sintish (Based)]

Those people said, your problem is you

[Don Keith]

have a vendetta against Tommy Robinson because the last time he was on his show, he gave you a shellacking and you've never forgiven him for it.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

No, he didn't.

[Don Keith]

Yes, he did.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

He waited around, everybody knows, like a silly little boy. And I held him to account for it.

[Don Keith]

Look at the clips, man.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Look at the clips. If you're a hero. Tommy is so courageous and so fierce.

[Don Keith]

He's not my hero. He's my friend. But he is a champion to the British.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

If you're your friend, Tommy, all he has to do is sit here in this desk opposite me and face the same questions. But you know why he's ducking me? Because he knows if he repeats the bullshit he spews to you guys that you all seem to swallow, he's going back to prison.

[Don Keith]

I'm challenging your own.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

He's going back to prison.

[Don Keith]

Answer to me. You cannot tell me how you know why you think it was a lie. Because one judge said that the five people that he brought to court and said this Syrian boy did all these things.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

There was no evidence.

[Don Keith]

The Fabian Society, the liberal Fabian Society. Judge says no. All of these witnesses are lying.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

It seems a really extraordinary thing. Cenk, here's the problem with this. Tommy Robinson wields an extraordinary.

[Don Keith]

I live in a free country.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, I've done. I've just given you free speech to have your rant. It's fine. I don't agree with you. We can agree to disagree. You agree, right? Yeah, for sure. You believe in free speech, so calm down. So, Cenk, here's the issue. Tommy Robinson wields an extraordinarily odd influence to the conservative right in America, who seem to believe all the stuff he comes out with. And in the process, he paints this picture of Britain which I simply don't recognize. I live here. I walk around the street. Despite what some American guests have said. I go to football matches with real British people every week. I'll be at one tonight with 60,000 mainly working class British people I don't recognize. And it'll be full of people from all walks of life. Black, white, Muslim, Jewish, Christian. And you know what? It's all fine. There's no Muslim takeover. The game won't be stopped halfway through because the Muslims have decided in a Sharia court that we're not allowed to play. This is all horseshit. Ceck, your thoughts?

[Don Keith]

Yeah, it's fine. 250,000 of your women are being raped by Muslim, but it's okay.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Again, an utterly ridiculous statement.

[Sintish (Based)]

Go to Birmingham. Go to Manchester City.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Utterly ridiculous. As I've said repeatedly, the vast majority of sexual crime against women in the

[Don Keith]

uk Malcolm Pearson in Parliament.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Don Keith. The vast majority of sexual crime against women in my country is committed by white men. Oh, here we go.

[Don Keith]

You've never heard of per capita? I don't.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I have heard of per capita.

[Don Keith]

Unfortunately, it's disproportionately committed by Muslims against white Christian girls because it's a rape genocide.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Let me bring chank.

[Don Keith]

Let me bring genocide, period.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Let me bring cenk in. Cenk, yeah.

[Cenk Uygur]

All right, so there's a couple layers of this. First of all, the idea that Sharia law is about to take over London or here in America, Oklahoma keeps passing laws as if the Sharia law is about to take over Tulsa. This is all demagoguery and it's super obvious, especially in America where Muslims are a tiny, tiny minority. So the reason why people push that forward is because they want people to hate Muslims. Now why do they want people to hate Muslims? How come there's no propaganda against Buddhists or Hindus? Right? And please don't start it, okay? I don't want propaganda against anyone. But the reason why there are mass raping against Muslims in the West. No, actually, they did it to the Rohingya in Myanmar. So it's not about religion, guys. Buddhists do it, Jews do it, Muslims do it, Christians do it, people who abuse other folks all across the world from all the different religions. You mentioned shunning women who leave the religion or shunning anyone who leaves the religion. The Mormons do that. So you talk about, oh, my God, how do they treat their wives? And they expect them to be treated. I'm fond of Mormons, literally a concept called tradwives here. There's a concept called tradwives in America. So you can insult everybody's religion if you want, but the most important part is why are they doing this? And there's a politics behind it. In fact, there's people paying for it. The Israelis pay people in the UK and the US to spread hatred towards Muslims so that the UK and the US will finance Israel and their war crimes and their wars against Israel.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Actually, check.

[Cenk Uygur]

Totally on purpose.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

It can actually be easier than that. I mean, Keith, for example, you shared a video to your very large online audience with the caption, this is a town council meeting in England, not Afghanistan. I shit you not. And you use the footage to pushed a narrative that British local government institutions have been completely overrun and dominated by foreign Islamic interests. The very point you'd be making to me. But it turned out the footage was of a meeting in Pakistan. And you then took that down. Right. So would you like to apologize for a ridiculous.

[Don Keith]

I did take it down. It was a repost.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Have you apologized?

[Don Keith]

I took it down. It was wrong. Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You apologize?

[Don Keith]

Of course I apologize if it was wrong.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Yeah. Okay, good. Why did you post it without checking?

[Don Keith]

Several people have posted. You know, that's the problem with social media. Sometimes we try to be too quick and rather than accurate. And that was a mistake on my part. I don't have a problem owning a mistake. So, yeah, I took the post down as soon as I realized it was wrong. But the difference in, you know, as I see it and all these things you're pointing out about the different religions. There's a reason why we don't see almost no Muslim girls in the rape statistics in Britain is because that it's a religiously motivated rape jihad against Christians by these predominantly Pakistani Muslim men. You don't find the white men. Hold on. You don't find the white men in Britain raping Muslim girls as some sort of religious targeting. Because the reason they don't rape their own girls is because that would be haram. So they go outside of their religion because that's considered all right. Because we know what the Quran says about sex slaves and all those things that made up your religion. It's just. Oh, it's just made up.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, let me bring Ava Santina back. Let me bring Ava Santino back in here.

[Cenk Uygur]

In your mind, you probably want to do it. That's why you put it. You project it on the Muslims because your sick mind thinks that that's a fun thing to do. We don't think that's a fun thing to do. You think it's a fun thing to do because you're a sick individual.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You're.

[Don Keith]

You're an idiot. You're an idiot.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

What was it?

[Cenk Uygur]

Oh, wow. That was effective.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, I'm sorry I missed what you said. Che, what did you say?

[Don Keith]

Yours was super effective too.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

What was the point you made?

[Cenk Uygur]

So what happens? Hold on, hold on. What happens all the time with anti Muslim hatred is projection. So for example, Muslims rape.

[Don Keith]

Hold on, hold on.

[Cenk Uygur]

Shut up, shut up. Hey, bigot, you shut up, shut up, shut your mouth.

[Don Keith]

What you gonna do? What you gonna do?

[Piers Morgan]

So.

[Cenk Uygur]

No, it's my question, it's my question. Okay, so this bigot comes on here and makes up this fantasy he has in his head about Muslims raping white women because he wants to rape women and he thinks that's a fun thing to do, so he projects it on the motherfucker.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I can't wanna do it. No, Cenk, I'm sorry, Hang on, Don. Cenk, Cenk, you cannot say that. I'm sorry. There is absolutely no evidence that Don Keith wants to rape people. Right. And let's be clear about.

[Cenk Uygur]

There's no evidence that you want to do it either. But he just made it up.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

No, he hasn't made it up. I would argue there's an exaggeration there. For this reason there was a clear.

[Cenk Uygur]

Okay, now I'm exaggerating. Maybe he wants to rape adult women.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I don't think he wants to. Just adult women. He's given no indication he wants to rape any women. Right. So I think that's an outrageous thing to say. And what I would say about the point he's making.

[Cenk Uygur]

Oh, it's an outrageous thing to say about him, but it's not outrageous to say about all Muslims.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

No, but the point, it's much more

[Cenk Uygur]

outrageous to say it about all Muslims. The only reason you would think it is if it's a fantasy in your head. Yeah. Don, you think about it all the time, don't you?

[Don Keith]

It's not my statistic, it's your gov. It's the British government statistic. 250,000 plus girls in the last 25 years have been raped by predominantly Pakistani Muslim men. That was Lord Malcolm Pearson in the House of Lords who said that it was not me. So don't get mad at me. You go get mad at Lord Malcolm Pearson.

[Cenk Uygur]

Can I just tell you this sophistry, this trick that they do, so they do it here in America with immigrants. I don't know anything about that number. But here in America, immigrants commit less crime. In fact, legalized immigrants like me, naturalized citizens like me commit a quarter of the crime. So a person born in America is four times more likely to commit crime. Right. But what they do is they find one or two cases or a series of cases over 25 years and you go look at the number of cases. Now if you did that with, as Piers said, with white Christians, you would have a number that is so much higher. But they don't say that. Does that mean all white Christians do it? Of course not. Of course not. But these guys who want to spread hatred, they go and cherry pick numbers which are much, much worse for the native born or for white Christians. But we don't cherry pick numbers like that to blame white Christians because that's insane. If you're a white Christian, you're not responsible for the act of some stupid rapist. That's not fair to you.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Let me bring in. I want to bring in those guys

[Cenk Uygur]

saying black is the.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I want to bring the women back

[Cenk Uygur]

into the white Muslims. Indeed, they're all serving Israel.

[Don Keith]

White men stay within their own. The difference is white men stay within their cultures. All, all races. Pretty much any crime.

[Piers Morgan]

You.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

That is complete crime, by the way. Don, that is complete nonsense. The idea that white men only rape within their own.

[Don Keith]

I didn't say only, I said predominantly. Predominantly. So just hear me out.

[Cenk Uygur]

If you look, predominantly rape white women and you think that's a good thing crime, you think it's a general saying that white men predominantly rape white women.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

All right, you know what? I'm going to bring a woman in here because I feel like in general

[Don Keith]

are committed to say, I don't like

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

culture, I don't like any of the tenor of what you guys are talking about. All right? This is. Rape is the most serious sexual crime imaginable.

[Don Keith]

I agree.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

And at the moment it's getting trivialized in a pretty distasteful manner. Ava, let me bring you in here.

[Don Keith]

I agree.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Look, we're talking about this in a way which I just, I find increasing our confidence.

[Ava Santino]

Can I just say importantly, before you ask me your question, I can't find any evidence of that statistic. And I think the thing I would say, which is probably not going to go down very well, but various police forces and actually that was one of the main reasons that the Rotherham grooming gangs exploded in the way it did. Don't actually record ethnicity and race. That's a big problem in this country. So it would be highly unlikely that you'd have been able to have that kind of data in the first place. It was announced by. It was given to the House of Commons. Excuse me, House of Lords. By Lord Pearson.

[Don Keith]

House of Lords.

[Ava Santino]

Yes, sorry, thank you. But by Lord Pearson. But there isn't any evidence. It was then submitted to ministers who rejected it. So I don't think there is any evidence for that claim.

[Sintish (Based)]

Sorry, can I ask you a question?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Of course.

[Cenk Uygur]

Of course he's lying.

[Sintish (Based)]

If someone, God forbid, raped your daughter and then came back to you and said to you, actually, let's talk about ethnicity and religion and statistics and not the fact that your child has been

[Ava Santino]

raped, how would you feel?

[Sintish (Based)]

How would you feel?

[Ava Santino]

But I'm just.

[Sintish (Based)]

These are children we're talking about. Children have been raped. And rather than people just focusing on the fact that these children have been raped, they're talking about Islamophobia, racism.

[Cenk Uygur]

Look at this.

[Sintish (Based)]

All of this using the example that white men rape in this country is like saying, oh, my gosh, Nigerians are raping so much in Nigerians, white men are the majority in this country. So yes, they are going to make up the statistics of men raping.

[Ava Santino]

I'm just saying.

[Sintish (Based)]

But when we're talking about grooming, gangs, yes, it is Asian Muslims. We're not saying it's all men. We're not saying it's all men. What I'm trying to say is if someone raped your daughter, you would not like someone to come to you talking about ethnicity, racism, Islamophobia. You would want someone that he gave.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

He is literally just given a statistic making that extreme, that exact point.

[Sintish (Based)]

At the end of the day, Ava

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

is responding to a statistic.

[Sintish (Based)]

If she was checking her being assaulted, why are we talking about statistics and race?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But that was my point earlier.

[Sintish (Based)]

Have some compassion. Why don't you guys sit here and say it's sad.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

We are literally the ones who are having the compassion to sit here and

[Sintish (Based)]

say it's sad and we need to find a way for it to stop. But you guys sit here and talk about Islamophobia and racism and statistics. Who cares? I don't care if it's one person. We should just have some flipping compassion.

[Ava Santino]

But is that not the point that we're all making?

[Cenk Uygur]

There's two reasons.

[Sintish (Based)]

No, the point that I'm making is why wasn't your response. This is wrong. We need to figure out a way to do it. Instead. You brought out statistics from your phone talking about, I cannot find it.

[Ava Santino]

That is categorically no.

[Sintish (Based)]

What I'm trying to say is, as a woman, have some compassion. And no, I'm not going to have

[Ava Santino]

to dominate the narrative here.

[Sintish (Based)]

And sometimes saying that are being assaulted.

[Ava Santino]

I can't be asked.

[Sintish (Based)]

And your first.

[Ava Santino]

Yes.

[Sintish (Based)]

No, what you're doing is disgusting.

[Ava Santino]

I'm sorry.

[Sintish (Based)]

And demonic. It's so demonic.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

What is demonic? What are you talking about?

[Sintish (Based)]

It's demonic.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You've just driven someone to leave the studio.

[Sintish (Based)]

Yeah, no, she left the studio.

[Cenk Uygur]

You made up a statue. You called it demonic.

[Sintish (Based)]

She does not like the fact that I just drew her out for being actually quite disgusting. If someone tells you she was disgusting,

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

you were the one being disgusting. And how you didn't listen to her.

[Sintish (Based)]

How? Because you didn't listen to everything that she said.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

No, you didn't.

[Cenk Uygur]

You started talking about it. What if her daughter was raped?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

She was checking a claim made by another panel member.

[Sintish (Based)]

You. That a young person has been raped. I don't care if it's five English women or two English women, have some compassion and just say it's wrong.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Where did she show no compassion? What are you talking about?

[Sintish (Based)]

Where did she say in this interview that this is wrong and we need to figure out a way.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You weren't even listening to why she was. Why she was saying what she was saying.

[Sintish (Based)]

No, but why was her first response bringing out statistics and not saying actually this is wrong?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Because another panel member made up a statistic.

[Cenk Uygur]

Because you made up a statistic.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

How stupid can you be?

[Sintish (Based)]

It's not about being stupid.

[Cenk Uygur]

You made a mistake and then said it was demonic.

[Don Keith]

The statistic wasn't made up. The statistic was not made up. It was extrapolated from data that came from Rotherham, Telford.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Extrapolated in Oxford.

[Cenk Uygur]

Yeah.

[Don Keith]

That same method of extrapolation is used to for disease prevalence, wildlife, environmental factors. That's same metabolism.

[Sintish (Based)]

You just said. Here,

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

let me try and help. For those who are too stupid at the back piers, more than just Don Keith made a claim which Ava Santino

[Sintish (Based)]

at the same time.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

What are you talking about?

[Sintish (Based)]

The fact that we should not have sympathy for it. And at the same time.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Nobody said that. What are you talking about?

[Sintish (Based)]

Sympathy for what's going on.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Nobody said that.

[Sintish (Based)]

Do you have sympathy?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

What do we do?

[Sintish (Based)]

Do you have sympathy for the young English girls that have been assaulted? Do you have sympathy?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Sorry, no, I haven't. I have a no stupid people rule on panel members for this show and sometimes we drop below it. The way you started this panel and the way you've ended it suggests that you shouldn't have passed our bar because frankly, you've been not only stupid and ill informed and told a bunch of lies, but then right at the end, you've driven one of our regular panel members to leave because you told disgusting lies.

[Sintish (Based)]

I Didn't force her.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You made disgusting suggestions about what she did or didn't care about.

[Sintish (Based)]

She lied. I was just questioning where is her sympathy?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

To be clear, Don Keith made a statement involving a statistic. Ava checked it. The 250,000 stat is widely circulated but unsubstantiated. As she explained, the government Grooming Gangs Task force created in 2023 helped police to identify more than 4,000 victims. Let me say what I believe about that. It was disgusting that that was going on for so long without proper accountability. It was disgusting that there was a cover up at all levels of government in this country to not bring the perpetrators to book. Yes, it is true that in that particular grooming, gang, rape, gang scandal, it involved predominantly British, Pakistani, Muslim men. All of those things are inarguable. But it's also true that the vast majority of sexual crime in this country is perpetrated by white men. Right. So this idea, because it's more or less this idea that it's only perpetrated, this idea that it's only perpetrated by Muslims.

[Sintish (Based)]

Did you say only Muslims?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

And the idea that people like me, the idea that people like me or Ava Santino have no compassion for the victims when all we have done for the last few years is express loudly and repeatedly our compassion for the victims and our outrage about the scandal is frankly ignorant, stupid and disgustingly offensive. And I don't blame Ava for leaving. And you, I'm afraid if you ever come back here, which I think is unlikely, Sintish, you should be better informed. And when you're on a panel, you should listen to what people are actually saying before you smear them in the way that you smeared them. We're going to end things there. Thank you to my panel. I appreciate it. We're turning now to the claims of an Israeli plot to hijack Eurovision voting and Israel's decision to sue the New York Times with two guests who actually both attended marches in London this weekend. But not the same one. Jonathan Comricus is a former lieutenant colonel and spokesman for the idf. And Kieran Andreu is a British Palestinian journalist and activist. Well, welcome to both of you. Jonathan, nice to see you here in the studio. Regular guest on Uncensored. Obviously, Zara Sultana MP claimed on X there were 250,000 people. Police said 20,000. Tommy Robinson said there were millions. At his march, police said there were 50,000. What is it about march? Is march size the new penis size, where people just lie repeatedly about size or if so, why?

[Jonathan Comricus]

Apparently it does matter. Size. But in terms of, you know, that's not, I think, a unique phenomenon here. I haven't heard an organizer of any political rally to claim the same numbers that then authorities, police and aerial reconnaissance and AI supported afterwards. It's usually much more so I don't think that's anything unique to these demonstrations. I was happy to be among the crowd of the United Kingdom march. I found it very enjoyable.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Did you feel you were amongst like minded souls there, Jonathan?

[Jonathan Comricus]

I felt that I was amongst patriots. I mean they are. Yeah. I saw a lot of British patriots. I saw a lot of people who were marching with their own flags and being proud and happy to live in a free democratic society.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

When you saw one of the speakers do this, Kelly Jean King. I still got this.

[Sintish (Based)]

It's not too late to get Islam out of that building.

[Ava Santino]

It is not too late to get Islam out of every single official office in this country.

[Piers Morgan]

And more than not too late, it is absolutely vital.

[Ava Santino]

If we want to save this country, we have to to remove Islam from every single place of authority.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You feel comfortable now. Now you've seen that. That's one of the speakers at the event.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Well, she didn't say Muslims, did she? She said, specifically said Islam and I think there's a very big difference here. Had she said Muslims as in people with beliefs, I would have had.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

What if she said Jews or people who practice Judaism?

[Jonathan Comricus]

Well, she didn't say Jews or she didn't say people.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You're splitting hairs, John.

[Jonathan Comricus]

No, no.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You know you are.

[Sintish (Based)]

No, I'm not.

[Jonathan Comricus]

And I think that's a very.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

So she. To get Judaism out of every form of parliament, local and state level, national level in the country.

[Jonathan Comricus]

I don't know that there is any Jewish authority in British politics. I don't know that Jews exercise Islam.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, there's no Islam authority in British politics.

[Jonathan Comricus]

I don't know that. Well, actually there isn't. Actually, I would beg to differ. I think there are numerous heads of councils who happen to be Muslim. No. Who when they pledge allegiance in their acceptance speech, they do it to the Ummah, they don't do it to queen or king and country.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

They have to abide by UK law.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Well, that's also open for debate. They have to, allegedly. But if you ask them what comes first, Is it the law of the land, my issue, or is it Sharia?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But let me bring in Kieran. Welcome back to Uncensored. See, this is the problem. I have Jonathan as a regular guest. I enjoy having him on always. I think, you know, one of the more fair minded people. I may say that without sounding patronizing when we talk about all issues involving israel because you're not afraid to be critical where you feel it's deserved. But on this one, to me, there's a complete either willful refusal to just watch what we just watched and interpret it correctly or just a double standard. And I say that with jonathan sitting here because the truth is, if she had said. If that had been at the other rally and you had a speaker saying we've got to get rid of of

[Jonathan Comricus]

all the jews, but he didn't say jews.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, it's the same thing.

[Jonathan Comricus]

No, it isn't. It is a big difference, I think.

[Piers Morgan]

So you'll be pleased to hear. I don't think Jonathan is very fair minded. We've debated before, Jonathan, on various shows. I think that it's very, very instructive and actually very useful that you openly say you line up with tommy robinson and his cohort. I think it's very useful because we get a transparent size of you when you say such a thing. And by extension, I think a good part of the israeli body politic, I think you speak for a lot of them.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Could say the same thing about you marching with hamas.

[Piers Morgan]

The woman there. Yeah, that's the same thing. Analogy.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Why would that be the case if hamas was represented? If you just.

[Piers Morgan]

Jonathan. Jonathan.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Jonathan.

[Piers Morgan]

Jonathan.

[Jonathan Comricus]

If you will address me, I will address.

[Piers Morgan]

I will not interrupt you if you won't interrupt me. Otherwise it's going to make a great mess for the audience. Listen, I haven't finished my point. I think you should let me finish.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Don't talk over each other.

[Piers Morgan]

I think you should let me finish my point. If you want to just muddy the waters so that nobody could hear either of us, you're going to end up coming away like the pantomime villain. Let me finish my point.

[Jonathan Comricus]

The only villain here would be you. But fine, that's okay if you refrain

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

from finish his point of freely favoring me. I didn't finish his point.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Jonathan.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Yeah.

[Piers Morgan]

You're a grown man. Shut up and let me speak.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Don't tell me to shut up.

[Piers Morgan]

So don't tell me to shut up.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Don't do that. Mistake.

[Piers Morgan]

If that woman wanted to make the distinction that you want her to make, which is that she doesn't want political islam in institutions, which is what you claim.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Exactly.

[Piers Morgan]

She could have said islamism.

[Jonathan Comricus]

No, she said no.

[Piers Morgan]

No, she said islam because she doesn't want anybody who is muslim, as piers said, to fulfill any kind of role.

[Jonathan Comricus]

How do you know what she wants?

[Piers Morgan]

She said so blindingly obvious.

[Jonathan Comricus]

She didn't say, I want Muslim something. She said, I don't want Islam. I don't even know the woman.

[Piers Morgan]

You.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Is there anybody. Jonathan, quick sort of trivia question, but are there any people who follow the faith of Islam who are not Muslim? No, of course. But any viewers watching at home who might think that when you say she wasn't talking about Muslims, she's talking about Islam, but actually if the only people that are engaged in practicing Islam are Muslims and she's talking about removing human beings from the body politic of our country, she is talking about Muslims.

[Jonathan Comricus]

I think you're willfully distorting what she said and I think she doesn't. Again, I don't think.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Do you feel comfortable defending her?

[Jonathan Comricus]

I feel totally. I think there's a problem in this country with whitewashing Islamism and I think that there is so much more tolerance.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

She didn't say Islam.

[Piers Morgan]

Didn't say Islam. And I've just given you that word.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Islamism is an extremist version of Islam.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

And all of us, I believe, including Kieran, would condemn it.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, I don't know.

[Jonathan Comricus]

I'll believe it when he says it.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, Jonathan, why don't you ask me? Why don't you ask me? I believe in a secular set of institutions because actually, ironically, it is a secular society, unlike yours, by the way. You live in an ethno state, a secular society.

[Jonathan Comricus]

So is Denmark and France.

[Piers Morgan]

Whatever. A secular society.

[Jonathan Comricus]

No, no, whatever. So is Denmark and France.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me finish my point. Otherwise nobody can follow anything. A secular society, a secular set of institutions is counterintuitively the only guarantee of religious freedoms because you treat every religion equally.

[Jonathan Comricus]

You have religious freedom in any of the most countries.

[Piers Morgan]

You don't have that in your country.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Of course we do.

[Piers Morgan]

We have it in our country.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I just think. Here's the thing we have. I just think somebody standing on a stage where you're in the crowd and are proud to be there, happy to be there, no problem. Okay. But there's a woman standing there who is just being blatantly Islamophobic in the most blatant, obvious, undeniable, uncontestable manner.

[Jonathan Comricus]

I think you're wrong, Piers. And I think that, you know, I think you have to be a little bit more critical in the way that you're, you know, happy to, with very broad strokes, paint something. And this is something that not only you do. Lots of people do it where anything, where the root, the first Letters of Islam is mentioned. There's this heightened sensitivity. Oh, Lord, please not say it.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

As opposed to Judaism.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Let's not say anything. And Israel, well, you can see that they are the most targeted ethnic group in the UK by far. We can see that the hate crimes against Jews are beyond everything else. They are 10 times the amount of attacks against Muslims. So complete by that complex British police.

[Piers Morgan]

That's a lie.

[Jonathan Comricus]

No, that's British police statistics. I mean, you're a professional liar by that number. You could make that assumption. But I think you're doing the same mistake here. That woman who, again, I don't know who she is and I don't know where she comes from, but when she chose to say Islam, the religion and not Muslims, I think that's.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

What do you think she made to keep Islam out of our body politic?

[Jonathan Comricus]

Well, I think she makes a point of having, you know, keeping Britain British in the sense of that church is separated from power, something that you did about 1,900 years ago, or, sorry, 900 years ago, and that you have religious freedom.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Why are you defending this, Jonathan? I don't understand, Jonathan, why am I defending it?

[Jonathan Comricus]

Because I believe as someone who lives in the Middle east and unlike perhaps you and others here who don't yet understand the problems with institutional Islam, I think that you have yet you don't really understand what's at stake here. If you let.

[Piers Morgan]

Am I going to be allowed to come in at any point?

[Jonathan Comricus]

Yeah, of course. If you let Islamists take over institutions, that is exactly what they do and they will use your system.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But she didn't say Islamist, she said Islam.

[Piers Morgan]

So first of all, I think Jonathan is an extremely strange shit for you to want to go down with this. You could have easily just said, I condemn that. But generally I didn't find that.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I thought you would.

[Piers Morgan]

I thought you would actually, because I think you do a good impression of a reasonable price.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Because we all know if it had

[Jonathan Comricus]

been at the other with the condescending nonsense.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But Jonathan, if it had been at the other one and she said, I want Judaism removed from all political levels of the country, you'd have gone nuts. Rightly I'd have agreed with you, Piers.

[Jonathan Comricus]

I've been on this show enough times not to go nuts about anything, any slander against Israel. Believe me, if I was a person who was.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But I'm not talking about

[Jonathan Comricus]

talking about the double standards, the most horrific things about the Jewish state, sure, I agree. And about the IDF uncle lies.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But if a speaker at the Natka rally had stood up and said what she did, but about Jews and Judaism, you would have rightly, with my support, have condemned it as outrageous. Well, I'm staggered that when it happens to be the other side of the coin, you're not intellectually consistent enough to say that is outrageous. I condemn it.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, I think you'll have a problem. Let me also say that if somebody at Nakpa Demo had stood up and

[Jonathan Comricus]

said from the river to the sea.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, Jonathan, for instance, you're eliding two things. If somebody had stood up and said, why don't you try and remain on something consistent? Maybe we disagree on that. But if somebody had stood up and said Jewishness or Judaism out of British institutions, almost everybody at that demo would have roundly condemned them. How many of them?

[Jonathan Comricus]

Of course they would have condemned. Just like they condemned. Just like they condemn Hamas flags. Just like they condemn.

[Piers Morgan]

How many of them have you been to, John?

[Jonathan Comricus]

For genocide?

[Piers Morgan]

Jonathan, how many of them have you been to?

[Jonathan Comricus]

I've been to. I've had enough demonstrations pointed against.

[Piers Morgan]

No, how many have you been? How many of those ones that you seem to think you know all of the decor of all of these?

[Jonathan Comricus]

Just as many as you have been on the other side.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm just telling you.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Let me just.

[Piers Morgan]

I think we've probably been.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Let me just play another clip. This has gone viral as well. This is where three French women took the stage dressed in burqas and encouraged a crowd to shout, take them off. Let's take a look.

[Ava Santino]

Thank you.

[Sintish (Based)]

Tough. Thank you. Tough.

[Ava Santino]

Thank you.

[Jonathan Comricus]

With women dressing like they want. I mean, if a woman wants to dress.

[Piers Morgan]

What If a woman wants to wear

[Jonathan Comricus]

a burqa, if it is her choice, then by all means. In Israel, we have women dressed in full burka where you can only see the eyes. We have religious Jewish women covering their hair and in traditional wear, and we have modern secular women in bikinis and shorts. And that's totally a choice.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, fair enough. Jonathan, what about the point, though? That's not the point. The point is they're making a spectacle of women being forced to take their burqas off. That's the point. And again, you're willfully ignoring.

[Jonathan Comricus]

That's that the point.

[Piers Morgan]

You're not a stupid person. Why are you willfully ignoring that? Of course it is.

[Ava Santino]

I don't know.

[Piers Morgan]

Take it off. Take it off. What if a woman wearing a burqa walks down the street and encounters any of the people at that demo cheering Take it off. Take it off. Much more likely that she is going to be subjected to discrimination or persecution or at least feel that she will be subjected to it after a spectacle like that. And that's the point that we're making.

[Sintish (Based)]

Not.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you think that women should, in theory be allowed to wear burqas? You're willfully ignoring the point because you can't defend that. Let me discuss things.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Listen, there are two more things I want to cover before we.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Listen, Piers, you put me in this position of defending a.

[Piers Morgan]

You put yourself in that position. Put yourself in that position.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Didn't organize. Didn't write the style before. No, no.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But I mean, I just asked if you.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Not everything here is something that I would have scripted. Do I support women dressing the way they think, feel and want to? Yeah.

[Piers Morgan]

But you would give me.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Is that part of my culture? Yes. Do I think that women should be forced to wear clothes by a patriarchal society? No. Do I think that they should be forced to take them off also? No.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Okay.

[Jonathan Comricus]

I want to be straightforward.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I want to cover very quickly.

[Piers Morgan]

You're getting the voice.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

There are two more things I want to very quickly touch on and one deserves longer time. But we haven't got time. The New York Times action over this column, pen by Nicholas Kristof included allegations of serious sexual abuse of Palestinians in Israeli prisons. Benjamin Netanyahu says that the accusation of one of the most hideous and distorted lies ever published against the state of Israel. He said they defamed the soldiers of Israel and perpetuated a blood libel about rape, trying to create a false symmetry between the genocidal terrorists of Hamas and Israel's valiant soldiers. He also significantly says he is suing the New York Times. So the state of Israel is suing. One question. Are we going to see that lawsuit actually pursued to a court?

[Jonathan Comricus]

I hope it does because he has

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

threatened this before and then nothing happened.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Yeah. Irregardless of Netanyahu as a person, as a prime minister, either it'll be the state of Israel, there are a few legal issues that legal holders need to be crossed, or it'll be by surrogate some organization in the US which will take it to an American court. I think that's great. I think.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Do you believe that Nicholas Kristoff, who, as I said to viewers last time we discussed this last week, is a double Pulitzer Prize winning journalist? Right. From my experience of dealing with him, a man of methodical journalistic practice. Right. So my question for you is a more broad brushstroke one. Yeah. Are you sure that no IDF soldiers have ever used Any sexual violence against Palestinian prisons?

[Jonathan Comricus]

Of course not. And I think it would be naive to think that there isn't abuse in Israeli prisons as there is in every prison around the world.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Okay, good. That's an important admission.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Well, I mean, it's obvious. And that's what I said on record when they interviewed me in the Free press and a few other places.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

And that's why I said at the start, you are one of the more fat minded people I can say.

[Jonathan Comricus]

But I mean, it's a basic thing. It's a basic thing. Sadly, in incarcerated situations where one party has the force over the other, these things sadly happen. They happen in British prisons, in American, in, maybe not in all.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

So Nick Kristoff's report could be entirely accurate.

[Jonathan Comricus]

No, it isn't.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But how do you know?

[Jonathan Comricus]

Well, one reason I know you know it's going on.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

He's exposed a number of specifics.

[Jonathan Comricus]

So one thing, what Christoph did was to try to paint a picture of systemic sexual assault and abuse, which is

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

what is, how do you know it's not going on?

[Jonathan Comricus]

So I'll come to it, he used the worst of the worst. The icing on his cake. His cake, his rotten cake was to say that Israel has trained dogs to perform rape. As in, and I'm sorry for being graphic, but that is what he wrote. To actually penetrate humans. Dogs actually doing that. There are a list of experienced canine handlers and trainers who are on record saying that it's biologically impossible to get a dog to do. Israel sourced those. And Israel said to the New York Times, are you sure that you want to stick with that ridiculous idea of sorry? And then the New York Times said, yes, we're sticking. That is the reason.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Kiran, before you respond, both Nick Kristof repeatedly and the New York times repeatedly have 100% stood behind their reporting. And what is your.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, I mean, the idea. First of all, there's a few things here. First of all, the idea that the New York Times, which was for a long time ran by David Remnick, who would be. I think he described himself as a liberal Zionist, honest. But it's publishing a story that is so dramatically or diametrically against Israel's interests, that is false. I mean, they know how litigious the state of Israel is. They know that if there's any discrepancy in this whatsoever, they're going to get sued.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

And so I believe they're going to get threatened.

[Piers Morgan]

They're going to get threatened with.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But Netanyahu has a, has a history of Issuing similar threats that then never, they never materialize.

[Piers Morgan]

And that's what's going to happen here. This isn't going to materialize because first of all, there is so much evidence of systemic rape.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

And he never said, by the way, that the IDF commanders or any members of government had ordered any of this as a systemic.

[Piers Morgan]

He said it goes on.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

He said it goes on. You began your defense of this by saying it happens.

[Piers Morgan]

And by the way. Sorry, the difference here is. I'm just going to come back in. Yeah, the thing you said about canine traders. There are, There is a lot of evidence which has been confirmed that Augusto Pillochet in Chile.

[Jonathan Comricus]

There is none used. I've gone into the direction, I've gone into the, the allegations from that view as well.

[Piers Morgan]

You know what? And we haven't got the evidence to have. But viewers could go away and look at it.

[Jonathan Comricus]

It is a completely false.

[Piers Morgan]

It is very interesting that you've looked. Impossible to prove that. It's possible.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Of course, because it's such.

[Piers Morgan]

Maybe because you're concerned.

[Jonathan Comricus]

No, because it's. And it was. It is what catches the minds of ill informed people.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me finish my point.

[Jonathan Comricus]

You've been waxing on about.

[Piers Morgan]

No, no, no, no. For viewers will be able to see. The viewers will be able to see that I haven't interrupted you once. I've been very responsive because you constantly. What you are going to have to do is hectoring every syllable I produce. I urge you again, shut up.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Don't use that language. You're in no position to tell anybody to shut up.

[Piers Morgan]

You're in no position to do it. I just did.

[Jonathan Comricus]

But you're in no position.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me finish my point. Then you can say whatever you want. There is a great train. There is a great train of systemic. Of evidence of systemic rape in Israeli prison.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Absolutely.

[Piers Morgan]

And I'm going to tell you something else. I'm going to tell you something which will blow your mind, which you'll definitely. My own brother is a Palestinian who has been sexually assaulted in prison. So I do not want to hear from you that this doesn't go on or that it isn't systemic because there is so much evidence that there is.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, to be clear, to be clear, Jonathan said, it does go on.

[Piers Morgan]

It does go on.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I would argue once you make that admission, you don't know how much it goes on. All you've conceded is it happens.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, also there are lots of prisoners who say it.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

So then we're arguing about the amount it happens. No, no, we are.

[Jonathan Comricus]

We are arguing about two things, Piers. One is the issue of systemic, like an institutional effort in order to train dogs. There needs to be a system behind it and it is the peak of absurdity to make that dog.

[Piers Morgan]

But you're fixating on the dogs.

[Jonathan Comricus]

I'm fixating on the dogs. What about humans? And by the way, you're interrupting.

[Piers Morgan]

What about the humans?

[Jonathan Comricus]

I'm fixating. I'm focusing on the dogs. Because it is the most ridiculous and unfounded claim which is based on a Palestinian guy in Gaza who says so. No forensics, no other evidence, Nothing. Just a guy, a Palestinian in Gaza

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

who says what happened? Okay, let's take a look. Hang on, hang on. You don't get to win two Pulitzer Prize by just asking any other guy.

[Piers Morgan]

Exactly.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

To tell any old story. He went over there, he interviewed these people. He is standing by his reporting. And today all I've seen is a massive snare campaign against Nick Kristoff.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Again, you're not looking at. Again, have a serious.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I'm seeing a former expert. I'm seeing a former.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Have a serious dog expert, but someone who actually knows about it. And ask him the real question. Get real graphical and detailed. You usually go to facts. You usually bring experts. And you have someone with, you know, certain.

[Piers Morgan]

Can I ask you a question, Jonathan? Did you really think when you first started to learn about your country, about Israel, that you would be on television 40 years, 30 years later, having to argue that dog experts can't verify whether Israeli prison guards use dogs to rape Palestinians? I mean, that is the country, unfortunately. I'll tell you what that you have become.

[Jonathan Comricus]

It's not what we've become. I'm talking about a lot of people around the world.

[Piers Morgan]

There is a meat. I haven't finished my question yet. There's a giant. I'm just going to put a quick appendage there.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Yeah.

[Piers Morgan]

There's an archipelago of prisons in Israel that churns out disturbed, tortured, sexually abused Palestinian prisoners.

[Jonathan Comricus]

I would say that there's a disturbed system called the Palestinian education system that churns out mass murderers and terrorists. That's a real problem. No, no, it's called the Palestinian Authority. That's what you should be looking into. You should be looking into.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Why are you.

[Jonathan Comricus]

It produces politicians.

[Piers Morgan]

That produces politicians.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Suicide bombers. That produces people that are willing to say Allah Akbar and go stab.

[Piers Morgan]

The reason I don't need to shout over you over and over again is because I know how hollow what you're saying to.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Most important, we're moving off into a wider territory. Which we haven't got time to explore properly. So, to be fair to both of you, let's end on a sort of weird, slightly lighter note, which is one question.

[Jonathan Comricus]

This wasn't weird enough.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, Eurovision. Yeah. Right. So the New York Times has reported their investigation found a well organized campaign by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government that embraced Eurovision as a soft power tool. Israel just came second again. Did you listen to the Israeli performance this year and last year? And do you honestly think, and I speak as somebody who used to judge America's Got Talent and Britain's Got Talent and is happy to say the British entry this year was one of the worst things I've ever watched in my life. Do you honestly believe that Israel had the second best performing act in the last two years? Or do you think they could be. Could be. Jonathan? Not a conspiracy theorist, Perhaps a bit of an online campaign that suited the Israeli government to have Israel finish in a better place, which would reflect better on the country at a time when they're becoming increasingly unpopular.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Yeah. You know, I'm not a big Eurovision Song Contest fan. My late grandmother, she was a big fan. It was a big festivity every night, every time. It was special cake and everything. I never really found the attraction to it. I understand that people think it's important. I've seen it a few times and I don't think that overall there's masterpieces in music performance there. Not a big fan of any of the countries.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Wouldn't it surprise you? But I will say, would it surprise you if the Israeli government had not done a few things to try and boost the Israeli vote?

[Jonathan Comricus]

What is. I don't know, but what I think is appalling. What I think is appalling is how

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

political for a canine handler to investigate.

[Jonathan Comricus]

What I think is appalling is that other countries have boycotted the event just because Israel is part the of. Of it. I think that is.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, they did it with Russia.

[Jonathan Comricus]

That it is small. It is really pitiful and I think it's become a very politicized event. So whether or not Israel did this, I don't know.

[Piers Morgan]

What's incredibly pitiful is, first of all, it's very obvious that there's a coordinated campaign and it's part of. I mean, it's consistent with what the Israelis have always called hasbara. You know, it's part of the soft power thing. So it's very consistent with that. I think what's. What's pitiful is that Israel is still allowed to participate in A Eurovision Song Contest. First of all, why is it European? We're constantly told that the only place Israel could have been was in Palestine, which is in the Middle East.

[Jonathan Comricus]

So what's going on there in Israel?

[Piers Morgan]

Second of all, Second of all. Well, it wasn't that. It wasn't called that for the British.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Gave it long, long before.

[Piers Morgan]

And then, before and then aside from, and then aside from that, I'm actually an atheist. The European, European Cup, I mean, Israel, which has been committing the worst genocide of the 21st century for the past three years, why should it be allowed to participate in European competitions? It ought to be kicked out. And shame on any country that doesn't do what Spain did and make a point of saying, we're not going to participate in this until that blood soaked genocidal country is forced to step out of it.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Absolute nonsense and boycotts.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

You know what, though? I don't remember. I don't remember, but I'm not surprised. I'm actually going to say something that you'll like because I don't remember when I was leading the media campaign against the Iraq war in 2003 against the Blair government. I don't remember the world queuing up to ban the UK from these competitions.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, I think we, and I'm afraid

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

given that we took part half the world away and given we took part in an illegal war which cost a million lives, you could argue that we should have been held to the same account. People are now holding Israel.

[Jonathan Comricus]

That's the golden diary.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

If they believe that Israel should not be compared. Where was Spain in demanding that the UK be dropped from?

[Piers Morgan]

Well, that's a separate case. But actually I think that that's a very solid point. There's something to be explored there. I think that a World cup in the United States right now is not justified. And I do think.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, the problem is, I think the problem is. Honestly, the problem is once you start using war or conflict or other issues as a reason to ban.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, but Israel's a very special case. Well, I know,

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

but then you start adding special case.

[Piers Morgan]

I can make a point for you as they are special case.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

There were eight countries in the, in the Qatar World Cup. There was a huge row about the way that Qatar.

[Piers Morgan]

What about Russia?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, hang on, hang on, hang on. It was a huge argument. I was there at the Qatar World Cup.

[Piers Morgan]

Did you go to Russia?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Hang on. There was a huge row in Qatar because Qatar outlaws homosexuality. And I made the point. Wow, eight of the 32 teams that are competing in this World Cup, Ban, outlaw homosexuality, Most of the African countries. Are you going to throw them all out of the competition and if you're not, stop being a hypocrite?

[Piers Morgan]

No, my point is that that doesn't

[Jonathan Comricus]

meet the double standards and hypocrites.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, it might do to gay people.

[Piers Morgan]

It might do to gay. But. No, but my point is this. Israel is a very special case. It uses sporting events. It uses events like Eurovision to whitewash its reputation while it actively commits.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I think. You know what I think.

[Piers Morgan]

What about Russia? What about.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I think, honestly, what did you think about Russia? I sort of agreed. Yeah.

[Piers Morgan]

You think they should have been kicked out?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Yeah, I think there are. There are instances where it should happen, but it should be.

[Piers Morgan]

Surely Israel meets that.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

But it should be morally consistent.

[Piers Morgan]

But I agree with you, but I think Russia and Israel are two very, very special places.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Well, Russia. Well, the difference. I would argue that the difference is simply that in the case of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, there would be no attack on the Russians in Russia. Right. From Ukrainians. You'd accept that? Whereas. Whereas I think the Israeli. Was the Israeli attack on Gaza.

[Piers Morgan]

I think that the key specific attacks

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

which we now everyone is, listen, we don't expect that. October 7th. I think there was a difference.

[Piers Morgan]

What I would say, Piers, is that

[Jonathan Comricus]

one that's conveniently overlooked. And I just came back from the Nova.

[Piers Morgan]

Jonathan, you're just mumbling at this point. Can I just.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

I'm told he's very powerful.

[Jonathan Comricus]

Can I just make my point? It's a great reminder of how this started.

[Piers Morgan]

I got to wrap it up. Let me just say you're asking the audience to wonder in at the beginning of the third act. What about the colonization?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Piers Morgan or main moderator)]

Guys, we don't have time for the whole history of the Middle East. I'm grateful to you both for coming in. Thank you very much. Thank you. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit, subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.

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