Piers Morgan Uncensored

Episode: 'Burning EVERYTHING Down!' Tim Pool, Milo Yiannopoulos & Steven Crowder Talk Fuentes, Candace & More

Date: December 12, 2025
Host: Piers Morgan
Guests: Tim Pool, Milo Yiannopoulos, Steven Crowder

Overview

This episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored dives deep into the current schisms, controversies, and toxicity plaguing the American populist right, especially in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder. Major themes include the fracturing of alliances (with Candace Owens at the center), the impact of conspiracy theories and paranoia, the role of media in fueling these divides, and the challenges (and ethics) of platforming extremist voices like Nick Fuentes. The second half features robust debate between Piers, Milo Yiannopoulos, and Steven Crowder about interview styles, calling out racism/misogyny, and whether "sunlight" is really the best disinfectant for hate.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Fracturing of the Populist Right (02:12–11:21)

• Candace Owens vs. Charlie Kirk's Legacy:

  • Tim Pool details how the murder of Charlie Kirk was devastating not just personally, but for the "populist pro-America" movement Kirk helped build.
  • Pool accuses Candace Owens of undermining Kirk's widow and the Turning Point USA community for personal gain:

    "She would even go after those who loved Charlie the most. And I have no problem with people questioning the official government narrative... It has just come to the realm of nonsense. The U.S. Military, she claims, is now involved in his murder... She has turned this political movement into a reality drama true crime show where she treats us all like characters in a fictional show." (Tim Pool, 04:30)

  • Piers agrees, referencing Candace Owens' penchant for creating and monetizing conspiracy theories, including the Brigitte Macron controversy.

• The Role of Online Paranoia and Conspiracy:

  • Pool relates how after a real shooting at his property, conspiracy-driven Owens fans insisted he fabricated it—even in the face of multiple police confirmations.
  • He highlights the culture of "paranoid delusions" being fueled by attention-seeking influencers and credulous online audiences, with real-world dangers and consequences.

2. Consequences of Escalating Rhetoric & Political Violence (11:21–16:43)

• Escalation to Real-World Violence:

  • Piers and Pool discuss the rising fear among public figures post-Charlie Kirk's assassination; Pool says security costs might force his shows into major restructuring.
  • Concerns over how the current environment "is driving people to violence," both from political polarization and cult-like conspiracies surrounding personalities on the right.

• Cost to Free Speech and Media:

  • Fighting misinformation is not just about fact-checking, but also dealing with the personal safety fallout for those in the public eye.

3. The Ethics of Platforming Extremists (18:04–19:29)

• Should We Platform Nick Fuentes?
  • Morgan to Pool:

    "On this debate about whether you should platform, whether I should platform people like Fuentes, what do you think about that?"
    (Piers Morgan, 18:04)

  • Pool argues for "sunlight as disinfectant": It's important to challenge, not silence, hateful views.

    "I think people should interview and challenge him... If you want to interview Candace, Tucker, Milo, Nick, anybody, I think it's appropriate." (Tim Pool, 18:47)

4. Milo Yiannopoulos on Fuentes and Nihilism (20:46–32:21)

• Distinction from the Past / Gen Z Nihilism:

  • Milo says Fuentes represents a "terrifyingly pure nihilism" distinct from earlier right-wing provocateurs.

    "Nick is a kind of chameleonic character... I couldn't find any consistent or substantive kind of core to him... He's emblematic of Gen Z really... quite a pure and sort of terrifyingly pure nihilist." (Milo Yiannopoulos, 22:45)

  • Admits he tried to "mentor" Nick, found he "just wants to hurt people."

• Discussing Bigotry, Misogyny, and Antisemitism:

  • Milo sees Fuentes' misogyny as "lamentable but understandable" in context of men's frustration.

    "His generation's hostility toward women is lamentable, but very understandable. And when he comes to talk about what he would call Jewish power, there is a discussion to be had..." (Milo, 24:46)

  • Piers pushes back, calling Fuentes' views grotesque and refusing to excuse misogyny or racism, but Milo emphasizes context.

• Extreme Rhetoric (“Negro fatigue”):

  • Milo introduces the controversial term "Negro fatigue," describing post-George Floyd racial discourse:

    "There is a phrase, I hope you'll, it's okay that I use a safer version... Negro fatigue. And it is used to describe people just being sick of hearing about black people this, black people that..." (Milo, 28:56)

  • Piers expresses strong discomfort, challenges Milo for normalizing racist sentiments.

5. Debating Ye (Kanye West), Holocaust, and Provocation (35:25–42:46)

• Milo on Ye's "Artistic" Provocations:
  • Milo (as Ye's manager) claims Ye’s "Heil Hitler" content was an attempt at “exposure therapy” and “draining words of their power.”

    "There's a perfectly good explanation for that... he said, I want to perform Heil Hitler at the Grammys, because if I do that, those words will suddenly no longer have power." (Milo, 36:22)

  • Piers strongly rejects this, calls it “just a crock of shit”:

    "No, he wasn't. He was just due baiting. He was due baiting and using Hitler to do it." (Piers, 40:12)

  • Brief discussion of Ye’s recent public apology to the Jewish community.

6. Interviewing Extremists: Piers Morgan vs. Steven Crowder Debate (43:57–62:36)

• Crowder Critiques Piers’ Interviewing Style:

  • Crowder argues that “gotcha” tactics and shaming do not work with someone like Fuentes, whose fans are already inured to accusations of racism, misogyny, etc.

    "Trying to shame someone like Nick Fuentes for being racist, for being a misogynist, that's a layup for him. He's already been accused of that, and I don't think it's very fruitful." (Crowder, 45:41)

  • Crowder defends context-heavy, policy-focused questioning that exposes real differences, rather than focusing on headline bigotry.

• Piers’ Defense:

  • Piers counters that asking about Fuentes' upbringing and misogyny is fair journalism, intended to probe motives and worldview, not simply shame:

    "I didn't see that as an attack. I was joking about getting laid... He was actually... quite happy to answer it all." (Piers, 48:28)

• Debate Over Effectiveness:

  • Crowder maintains that focusing on substance, not soundbites, is the only way to genuinely challenge (or even de-radicalize) extremists:

    "You don't de-radicalize people by marginalizing everyone who actually makes good points by spending six follow-up questions on a racist..." (Crowder, 57:27)

• Memorable Exchange about Outfits:

  • "[Fuentes] thinks they have nice outfits. They're Hugo Boss."
    (Crowder, 55:38, sardonic reference to Nazi uniforms)

• Agreement on Platforming and Debate:

  • Both agree, albeit grudgingly, that open engagement—even with odious figures—is preferable to censorship or echo chambers.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Candace Owens and Conspiracies:

  "She has turned the very tragic murder of Charlie Kirk and she has turned this political movement into a reality drama true crime show where she treats us all like characters in a fictional show."
  (Tim Pool, 04:30)

• On Conspiratorial Thinking:

  "There are now people that believe the French Legionnaires, the French Foreign Legion, Israel and the US Military have a hit squad out and they're gonna take out prominent personalities... it's just become a paranoid, delusional state."
  (Tim Pool, 11:21)

• On Platforming Extremists:

  "I think it's sunlight being the best disinfectant. We have to be robust and prepare in our ideas and be prepared for these debates."
  (Tim Pool, 18:37)

• On Nick Fuentes’ Character:

  "Nick is a kind of chameleonic character in media... I couldn't find any consistent or substantive kind of core to him in any way... he's emblematic of Gen Z really, in being quite a pure and sort of terrifyingly pure nihilist."
  (Milo Yiannopoulos, 22:45)

• Milo on Misogyny:

  "His generation's hostility toward women is lamentable, but very understandable... they're dropping out, they're getting hostile, they're getting bitter."
  (Milo, 27:58)

• Milo on Racial Attitudes:

  "There's a phrase, I hope you'll... 'Negro fatigue.' And it is used to describe people just being sick of hearing about, you know, black people this, black people that..."
  (Milo, 28:56)

• Crowder on Interview Tactics:

  "Trying to shame someone like Nick Fuentes for being racist, for being a misogynist, that's a layup for him... I don't want to conflate Gotcha with challenging."
  (Steven Crowder, 45:41)

• Piers’ Pushback:

  "All I've heard you do in the last 20 minutes is defend all these people from what I think are indefensible things they've said. And you've done it in a very sort of moderate... way. I just think... no, he wasn't... he was just due baiting and using Hitler to do it."
  (Piers, 40:12)

• On Interview Outcomes:

  "I don't think I got anywhere with Nick Fuentes... I am listening to you because I'm curious how you do get anywhere with somebody like that when his whole shtick is really just on doubling, trebling, quadrupling down."
  (Piers, 58:17)

Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:12 — Tim Pool explains the damage to the populist coalition and Candace Owens’ role.
• 04:30 — Pool accuses Candace Owens of exploiting Kirk tragedy for personal drama.
• 06:53–10:10 — The “shooting incident” at Tim Pool’s property and conspiracy backlash.
• 11:21–13:34 — The effect of rising political violence and paranoia; Pool reflects on mental health and the internet.
• 18:04 — Debate over platforming extremists like Fuentes.
• 20:46 — Milo Yiannopoulos reflects on his influence and the change from provocation to nihilism.
• 22:45–24:46 — Milo on trying (and failing) to mentor Nick Fuentes.
• 32:21–41:41 — Discussion shifts to Kanye (Ye)’s antisemitic statements and Milo’s defense vs. Piers' critique.
• 43:57–45:41 — Steven Crowder joins; critiques Piers’ interview style.
• 47:32–52:51 — Back-and-forth on the utility/danger of “gotcha” journalism with extremists.
• 55:32–57:27 — How to challenge, not radicalize, extremists in interviews.
• 58:17 — Piers admits he “didn’t get anywhere” with Fuentes; Crowder offers his approach.

Summary Table

| Time | Topic/Segment | Notable Guests | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------------------| | 02:12 | Populist right fractures, Candace Owens controversy | Tim Pool | | 06:53 | Shooting at Tim Pool’s property, conspiracy backlash | Tim Pool | | 11:21 | Impact of violence, mental health, online paranoia | Tim Pool | | 18:04 | Ethics of platforming extremist voices | Tim Pool, Piers | | 20:46 | Milo on Fuentes, nihilism, chameleon character | Milo | | 27:58 | Gen Z misogyny, “Negro fatigue” controversy | Milo, Piers | | 35:25 | Kanye (Ye), antisemitism, and Milo’s defense | Milo | | 43:57 | Crowder critiques Piers’ Fuentes interview | Crowder | | 55:32 | Strategies for de-radicalizing extremists via interviews | Crowder, Piers | | 62:00 | Closing thoughts, Crowder and Piers find some agreement | Crowder, Piers |

Tone & Language

The discussion is frank, often combative, and deeply skeptical of modern media’s ability to handle extremism, with all guests leveraging sarcasm and bluntness. Milo and Crowder often employ provocative, sometimes inflammatory language. Piers oscillates between challenge and self-deprecation, keen to defend both journalistic ethics and the necessity of engaging with ugly ideas out in the open.

For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is an unvarnished, often uncomfortable crash course in the fissures tearing through the American new right, the consequence of conspiracy theory monetization, and the complicated ethics of engaging with openly racist, misogynist, or antisemitic figures in modern media. The dialogue is raw, sometimes offensive, and places explicit blame on online echo chambers and grievance economies for pushing political talk close to the edge of violence. Piers, Pool, Milo, and Crowder each offer distinct—sometimes conflicting—perspectives on whether open debate or something more robust is the answer to rising hate and disinformation. The episode is essential for understanding both the current state of right-wing media wars and the higher-stakes question: how should the rest of us respond?