"CATASTROPHIC Failure!" Trump Dinner Assassination Attempt & Royal Visit | With Kari Lake

Summary

Piers Morgan Uncensored – “CATASTROPHIC Failure!” Trump Dinner Assassination Attempt & Royal Visit | April 27, 2026

Episode Overview

This intense and provocative episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored dissects the attempted assassination of President Donald Trump at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, the massive security failure that allowed it, the resulting eruption of political blame and conspiracy theories, and what American political rhetoric is doing to the nation. The episode features a major interview with Kari Lake, eyewitness analysis of the event, a heated panel debate on media responsibility, free speech, and political violence, and a pivot to the high-stakes visit of King Charles III to the U.S. Themes of security, propaganda, journalistic integrity, and the cultural tinderbox of the current moment dominate the discussion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The White House Correspondents’ Dinner Attempted Assassination (00:29 – 03:30, 05:55 – 07:08)

• Kari Lake, eyewitness & senior US agency advisor, describes the moment of the attack:
  • Mistook the initial loud noises for dropped dishes until warned by a tablemate:

    “He said, get down. That’s gunshots...I just didn’t believe it because it’s just such a surreal thing.” (Kari Lake, 03:58)

  • Security response was swift once the attack began, but entry security was lax:

    “Upon entering the Hilton, they didn’t even inspect our tickets... You just had to flash any card. No ID, no passport, nothing.” (Kari Lake, 04:30)

  • Fault lines in the setup: minimal identity or ticket checks, only a cursory metal detector on a different floor, and easy access to high-level officials.

2. Security Lapses and Secret Service Critique (02:08 – 07:08)

• Piers Morgan and panel underscore the “catastrophic failure” of security:
  • The attacker traveled cross-country with no real checks, booked a hotel room, and brought in multiple weapons unchecked.
  • The shooter’s manifesto openly mocks security:

    “This level of incompetence is insane.” (Piers Morgan reading from the manifesto, 02:54)

  • Multiple members of presidential succession in immediate danger.
• Morgan:

  “Security has to be flawless for an event of this magnitude, with zero exceptions. At best, this is embarrassing for the US; at worst, it’s another catastrophic failure.” (Piers Morgan, 02:50)

3. The Role of Media & Rhetoric in Political Violence (07:08 – 13:47)

• Kari Lake launches an impassioned critique of mainstream media, blaming them for “poisoning minds” and fueling hatred against Trump:
  • Claims the only reason for the intense hatred of Trump is “a steady stream of negative lies... told about the president... by the majority, if not all, of the mainstream media.” (07:52)
  • She calls for journalists and producers with heavy bias to be fired and replaced with greater ideological diversity.
• Confrontation with CNN’s Jake Tapper:
  • Lake claims, “You’ve been derelict in your duties. You’ve lied to the people. How do you live with yourself?” (11:43)
• Morgan acknowledges media bias but pushes back on whether only media—and not politicians—should be tasked with truthfulness.

4. 60 Minutes Interview with Trump: Mainstream Media’s Approach (13:47 – 16:22)

• A highly criticized interview segment where Norah O’Donnell reads from the shooter’s manifesto, directly quoting slurs:
  • Trump responds angrily:

    “I was waiting for you to read that because I knew you would because you’re...horrible people.” (15:00)

  • Both Lake and Morgan call it “one of the lowest forms of journalism.”
• Morgan draws contrast with gentler treatment of Obama and Biden, noting double standards.

5. Obama's Reaction & Panel Responses (17:18 – 19:21)

• Obama’s public statement notably omits Trump’s name, drawing Lake’s ire:

  “It’s pretty sad that he [Obama] couldn’t at least put a word...that he’s thankful President Trump is safe. But I don’t think he is.” (18:04)

• Lake: Some in that room may “have been rooting for the assailant… That’s how sick they are.”

6. The Panel Debate – Media, Comedy, and Political Responsibility (19:26 – 57:55)

Media's Rhetorical Impact (Jack Posobiec, Jojo, Mark Lamont Hill, Brandon Tatum)

• Jimmy Kimmel’s Widow Joke about Melania Trump is dissected in light of attempted assassination:

  • Tatum: “Imagine [Kimmel] saying that about Michelle Obama… that’s the most deranged thing that I ever heard in my life.” (21:01)
  • Jojo: Defends Kimmel as a comedian; claims criticism should begin with Trump’s own violent rhetoric.
  • Morgan: Presses that Kimmel’s joke crossed a line especially after prior assassination attempts:

    “What is funny about saying Melania Trump has the glow of an expectant widow… Explain to me.”

• Jojo recounts personal threats after Trump jokes about Paul Pelosi’s attack (45:09):

  “After Paul Pelosi’s attack... I got a phone call…’We are going to Paul Pelosi you next.’ That was on the heels of a joke that Donald Trump had made about Paul Pelosi.”

• Posobiec connects the shooter’s manifesto to left-wing media rhetoric:

  “You don’t see any signs of derangement... You just see the same type of rhetoric you get from watching Jimmy Kimmel…” (26:41)

Conspiracy Theories, Staged Claims, and Mutual Accusation (28:15 – 55:00)

• Mark Lamont Hill and Jojo both reject the idea that the shooting was staged, but both note the reasonable skepticism given persistent security failures and the U.S.’s recent history of unanswered questions around attacks.
• Panelists get heated over where the blame lies for violent acts—media, politicians, or both.
• Morgan urges a collective agreement:

  “When acts of violence…occur, the first reaction is not to claim, because it’s the other side, that it must be staged… and jokes about political violence... should be ruled unacceptable.”

• Mark Lamont Hill pushes back, arguing Kimmel’s joke was about Trump “being old and she wants him to die,” not assassination specifically.
• Debate devolves into cross-accusations of double standards and moving goalposts over the interpretation of jokes and historical precedent on both sides.

7. Security Analysis – Bill Stanton: Was This a Failure? (58:51 – 64:43)

• Security expert Bill Stanton provides professional analysis:

  “It was a failure in so much that [the shooter] got that close and it was a success in so much that he was stopped.” (58:51) “If they had a tier one assaulter… that person...probably would have got a lot further and possibly would have achieved their demented goal.” (59:18)

  • Complacency and organizers wanting “free flow” of people is a root cause; with increased cyber-world rhetoric, security has to “tick up” accordingly.

8. Royal Visit – King Charles in Washington (64:43 – 84:13)

• Panelists discuss King Charles III’s high-stakes visit:
  • Both Charles and Trump are praised for their composure under literal fire.
  • Security is expected to be airtight, but Charles is known for his unflappable demeanor and heavy reliance on security professionals.
• Potential pitfalls: Trump’s unpredictability, the UK’s monarchy-averse American Republicans, and the ever-looming Epstein/Andrew scandal.
• Katie Nicholl:

  “I think it is a pivotal moment for him [Charles]... a reminder to the world that actually the British monarchy and the American presidency remain the two biggest institutions... in the world.” (78:59)

• Royal experts predict Charles will leverage “soft power” in his Congress address and maintain poise even if confronted with heckling about the scandals or British history.
• Discussion closes with promotional banter about the launch of the “Royals Uncensored” sister channel.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Eyewitness account of attack:

  “He said, get down. That’s gunshots… I just didn’t believe it because it’s just such a surreal thing.”
  — Kari Lake (03:58)

• Media blamed for hatred of Trump:

  “[The media] have poisoned the minds of the American people and frankly, people around the world.”
  — Kari Lake (08:04)

• Security mocked by attacker:

  “This level of incompetence is insane.”
  — (Shooter’s manifesto, read by Piers Morgan, 02:54)

• On responsibility in rhetoric:

  “We’ve been through a spate in the last couple of years of leftist political violence, the likes of which this country has never seen.”
  — Jack Posobiec (26:41)

• On Kimmel’s Melania joke in context:

  “Imagine him saying it about Michelle Obama, that she’s looking like an expectant widow. That’s the most deranged thing that I ever heard in my life.”
  — Brandon Tatum (21:01)

• Jojo’s personal story:

  “After Paul Pelosi’s attack... I got a phone call, 'We are going to Paul Pelosi you next.'”
  — Jojo (45:09)

• Mark Lamont Hill defending free speech, but calls for civil language:

  “Every time we criticize Trump... we have a right to compare him to despotic leaders throughout history. I don't use the Hitler comparison... but there are comparisons that can be made.”
  — Mark Lamont Hill (42:00)

• Piers Morgan on moving forward:

  "Stop joking about politicians dying or being killed. Stop questioning and querying that they're staged when they're obviously not."
  — Piers Morgan (55:40)

• Bill Stanton’s professional verdict:

  “Complacency isn’t the friend of the security agent… The game of the security professionals needs to be ticked up that much more.”
  — Bill Stanton (60:14)

• Royal British soft power and Charles’s importance:

  “I think it is a pivotal moment for him... a reminder to the world that actually the British monarchy and the American presidency remain the two biggest institutions... in the world.”
  — Katie Nicholl (78:59)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [00:29] Kari Lake’s firsthand account of the attempted assassination
• [02:24] Piers Morgan summarizes security risks and failures
• [07:08] Kari Lake on media’s responsibility and unchecked anti-Trump rhetoric
• [13:11] Lake confronts Jake Tapper on media division
• [15:03] Trump reacts angrily to being read the shooter’s words in a 60 Minutes interview
• [21:01] Brandon Tatum on the Melania Trump "expectant widow" joke
• [26:41] Jack Posobiec links shooter language to media rhetoric
• [45:09] Jojo shares personal threats tied to Trump’s own rhetoric
• [58:51] Bill Stanton, security expert, assesses Secret Service failures and lessons
• [66:15] Katie Nicholl analyzes King Charles’s security concerns and composure
• [78:59] Katie Nicholl: Charles’s address to Congress as a defining moment

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Tone

The conversation was heated, passionate, and combative. Speakers debated ferociously, interrupted each other, and held strongly divergent views yet provided direct, unscripted, and sometimes personal commentary. The overall tone is combative but layered with gravitas considering the seriousness of the topics: attempted assassination, political violence, and global state visits amidst turbulence.

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Final Thoughts

This episode stands as a case study in 2020s American political and media culture—dangerous, divided, and desperate for accountability but mired in mutual accusation. It exposes deep concerns about security integrity, the real-world impact of media and political speech, and asks hard questions about responsibility in a time of rampant conspiracy and mistrust. The parallel drawn between two embattled leaders—Trump and King Charles—brings a global perspective to the continuing crises of violence, rhetoric, and leadership.

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Rich in conflict and insight, this episode is essential listening for anyone trying to understand the intersection of U.S. security, political violence, the power (and cost) of rhetorical escalation, and the enduring drama of the Anglo-American relationship.

Transcript

[Piers Morgan]

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[Carrie Lake]

He said, get down. That's gunshots. And I said, what? I looked at him like, what are you talking about? I said gunshots?

[Bill Stanton]

This mental moron probably got his battle plan from playing video games and studying on the Internet.

[Piers Morgan]

Surely you don't think that anything that happened at the White House Correspondent's Dinner was set up or staged, did you?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

There's a reason why, if this isn't staged, why three people tried to shoot him.

[Brandon Tatum]

These people are crazy and deranged. And you wonder why people are out here trying to kill President President Donald Trump.

[Jojo]

Please spare me this performative pearl clutching about how it is only people on the left.

[Jack Posobiec]

We've been through a spate in the last couple of years of leftist political violence, the likes of which this country has never seen.

[Piers Morgan]

The King's private conversations with the US President are usually kept secret. But when the monarch arrives in Washington, D.C. today, we can imagine they might compare notes on one surprising trait. They both share absolute serenity in the face of extreme danger. 32 years ago, shots were fired by a protester as the then Prince Charles stood on stage in Sydney, Australia. The monarch gave a master class back then in the stiff upper lip, stopping briefly to adjust his cufflinks before laughing it off. President Trump, steely in his own unique way, was back at the podium, joking and selling his new ballroom less than two hours after a gunman attacked the White House Correspondent's Dinner.

[Judge]

Nobody told me this was such a dangerous profession. If Marco would have told me, maybe I wouldn't have run. Maybe I would have said, I'll take a pass. No, it's a dangerous profession, but I don't view it that way. Look, I'm here to do a job.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, no matter your views on the US President, his ability to remain calm and even amused after what looks like a third attempt on his life is pretty remarkable. The problem is, he shouldn't have been put in that position again. The Secret Service may have done a good job in safely shutting down the attack once it began, but the fact is the alleged gunman was able to breeze past security arms to the teeth and sprint toward a ballroom where everybody in the presidential line of succession pretty much was sitting. We then saw Vice President J.D. vance and the President being bundled to safety before the whole of the Cabinet, and eventually the entire DC Media was evacuated. Security has to be flawless for an event of this magnitude, with zero exceptions. The gunman actually mocked for lack security in his twisted manifesto that he released a few minutes before the attack, writing, this level of incompetence is. Is insane. And pointing out that had he been an Iranian intent on doing something bad at that event, it could have been an awful lot worse. At best, this is embarrassing for the US at worst, it's another catastrophic failure. And one of the reasons why so many lurched immediately to conspiracy theories is that so many questions remain unanswered about the previous attempts on Trump's life. There's a crisis of political violence in the United States. Nobody wants to find out what happens to that tinderbox if the next attack ends in disaster. Well, in a moment, we'll be debating this and the fallout with my panel. But first, senior Advisor to the U.S. agency for Global Media, Carrie Lake joins me. Carrie, welcome back to Uncensored. You were at the White House Correspondent's Dinner. When was the first you realized that something serious was happening?

[Carrie Lake]

Well, we had just finished our salads, and the staff at the Hilton started to bring around the table trays, and they were setting them up at each table, and we heard some loud noises, and I just assumed it was this room full of 2,500 people and a lot of wait staff dropping things, or potentially the sound of dishes, et cetera. And I was sitting next to Chris Ruddy, and he said, get down. That's gunshots. And I said, what? I looked at him like, what are you talking about? I said, gunshots? He said, yeah, that was gunfire. And we all just down in our chairs. We didn't hit the floor at first. I just didn't believe it because it's just such a surreal thing. You're in a situation like that and it doesn't feel real. But I looked up, I popped my head up and looked around, and I saw tons of security just popping up from individual tables, men with weapons and a lot of weaponry jumping up and then running toward members of the Cabinet, obviously escorting the President off the stage, which we were happy that he got got safely off the stage. So the Secret Service did do their job in getting all of the Cabinet members and the vice president and the president off the stage. But the thing I noticed, Pierce, that was so shocking is upon entering the Hilton, they didn't even inspect our tickets. They just said, do you have A ticket. I opened up my purse and the back of my ticket was showing, which was just a blank card. And that was good enough for them to nod me in. I never had to show my passport or identification. And right when you walked in the door was where the red carpet was. That's where members of the Cabinet were doing interviews. And on the red carpet, literally anybody off the street could have probably walked in very easily and had access to some very important members of the administration.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, and in a way, even worse, this guy had got a train from California to Washington and then just calmly booked himself into one of the Hilton Hotel rooms where nobody had checked. The fact that he was armed to the teeth, he had two guns on him when he made his attack. He had knives on him and so on. And he was even able, in his twisted manifesto, as I referenced earlier, to openly taunt the Secret Service. So much as I would give credit to the Secret Service for what they did once he made the attack, in stopping him reaching the ballroom, the reality is he should never have been able to get as far as he did in the first place armed in the way that he was. And I just find it incredible that when you have a president as controversial as Donald Trump and where it's obvious a lot of people hate him as much as like him, after two attempts on his life, one in Butler, Pennsylvania, where he got hit, and one on the golf course, where I think it was miraculous that he didn't get killed that day either. The fact that this guy was able just to calmly book himself into a room on the Friday, the day before, and no one's checking that he is a potential attacker with loads of weapons, I find that just incredible.

[Carrie Lake]

Well, I mean, they needed to have better security getting into the ballroom. I mean, that metal detector was one floor up, but all that shooter had to do was run down a flight of stairs, and right at the bottom of the stairs are the doors that open up to the ballroom. I mean, it's astonishing and frightening how close he was able to get to a room full of people who are administration officials, including the most powerful person in the world, President Donald J. Trump. So many things went wrong. I don't know if it's the hotel's fault. I don't know how the security was handled. But I'm just telling you that I was able to get in. Nobody ever asked for an id. No one ever inspected a ticket. There was one metal detector, and something's got to change. And thank God the President is safe. I, for one, and I Feel like that can speak for the American people. I'm tired of the president being put in positions where people are trying to kill him. And I think that the media has to take some of the blame. 90% of the people in that ballroom, Pierce, are part of the mainstream media and many of them despise the president and have pushed just hideous rhetoric over the past decade about President Trump. Remember, you know, President Trump is a human being. He's a man that everybody loved before he got into politics. You mentioned he's controversial and that people hate him. Why do they hate him? It's because of a steady stream of negative lies that have been told about the president over the course of a decade by the majority, if not all of the mainstream media. Constant lies about this president. They have poisoned the minds of the American people and frankly, people around the world. President Trump, when he was Donald Trump, entered into politics a successful businessman, a beloved member of the American society. And the only reason people hate him, if they hate him now, is because of the lies that the mainstream media has sown on this man. And they have to look in the mirror and they have to take responsibility for that. And I think we need to do a major overhaul of the media. There's a huge responsibility when you are speaking into a microphone, looking into a camera, to be honest, and they've stopped doing that. I walked away from my career after 30 years. I walked away from a seven figure contract because I recognize, wow, they're forcing us to lie about things. Lie about things like Covid, lie about vaccines. They're forcing us to lie. And I'm not going to lie to the people, to the viewers that watch me. And I think we need to do a massive overhaul of the media right now. Wash out some of these people who just cannot, they cannot push their hatred of President Trump aside and be honest brokers.

[Piers Morgan]

What do you mean by wash out? What would you want to see happen?

[Carrie Lake]

Fire them. Move on. Thank you. We're happy. Thank you for your service. You have shown improved. You cannot be an unbiased journalist. Thank you for your service. We're moving on and we're moving in a new direction. And you have to look beyond just the faces that you're seeing on television and the voices. You have to look at who's running the operation. When I worked in television, you got to look at the producers and the writers. We had a notorious producer at one of my previous jobs, radical, radical leftist. And, you know, that's the person who's deciding what stories go into a newscast that's the person who oftentimes is writing and setting up the entire decision making process on what stories are going into the newscast. So we've got to make sure that we have diversity in thought. Not 95% radical leftists in the newsroom, but people who have diversity when it comes to thoughts, ideas. Some of them have a conservative ideology, some may have a more moderate ideology, and including some who maybe have a more liberal ideology. But we cannot continue to run newsrooms where 90 to 95% of the people in the newsroom are radical leftists.

[Piers Morgan]

The interesting part of what you're saying is you actually had a direct confrontation with CNN's Jake Tapper. I understand you said, I walked out right next to Jake Tapper, this is at the White House Correspondent's Dinner and looked him in the eye and I said, how dare you? You've caused so much division in this country, pushing lies. We're not going to call it gaslighting anymore. You've lied to the people. How dare you do that. Why did you single out Jake Tapper and how did you respond to this?

[Carrie Lake]

Well, I wouldn't call it a confrontation. I mean, confrontation implies that you're almost picking a fight with somebody. We're walking out together. Remember, there were a lot of well known figures in that room. I happen to be sitting at a table next to CNN and be dinner started. I actually went over and I said, you guys need to up your game because you have put out the most ridiculous news. You can't even call it news. When I go to these events, just because I'm rubbing elbows with people in the media and people that others know that are quote, unquote famous. I don't have to lie and act like I like them. I think these people have acted in a despicable, unprofessional way. And when we were evacuating the building, I looked over and happened to see that I was right next to Jake Tapper. And as we were walking, I just said, you've been derelict in your duties. You've lied to the people. How do you live with yourself? This is, these people need to be called out. Why would I walk out?

[Piers Morgan]

But Carrie, here's what I would say. Look, Jake's not here to defend himself. I'm sure he will on his own show. But they would argue with some justification that there's been a lot of lying going on from the political classes, too. They would say that President Trump is not always a guy who is 100% truthful in what he says. That Many of the people that in his cabinet or his supporters often tell whoppers and lies to suit them and that they are in a.

[Carrie Lake]

You can argue with the policy, Pierce, you can argue with the policy, but the media has a duty to be fair and the media is calling him.

[Piers Morgan]

Right, I agree with that. I agree with that. But do, but do, but I agree with that. But do politicians have a duty to tell the truth? If you want that from the media,

[Carrie Lake]

and I agree with you, I do

[Mark Lamont Hill]

think it's truthful politicians that we've ever.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, hang on, let me finish my point. I do think they've been biased collectively against Trump. There's no question of that. But I also think that, you know, but it's incumbent on both sides, isn't it, to strive to always tell the truth. Would you agree with that?

[Carrie Lake]

The media has been so, they've, they failed so miserably in that. I mean, Last night on 60 Minutes, Nora O', Connell, she starts reading from this deranged, violent, deranged lunatic's manifesto. She's reading the manifesto to the president, asking the president if he's a monster, if he's a pedophile.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, let's watch that clip.

[Carrie Lake]

Actually, this is one of the lowest forms of journalism I've ever seen. 60 Minutes is now.

[Piers Morgan]

Let's watch, let's watch that clip because I have a view about that as well. Let's watch the clip.

[Carrie Lake]

So called manifesto is a stunning thing

[Jojo]

to read, Mr. President.

[Carrie Lake]

He appears to reference a motive. In it he writes this, quote, administration officials, they are targets. And he also wrote this. I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes.

[Jojo]

What's your reaction?

[Judge]

Well, I was waiting for you to read that because I knew you would because you're, you're, you're horrible people. Horrible people. Yeah, he did write that. I'm not a rapist. I didn't rape anybody.

[Carrie Lake]

Oh, you think he was referring to you?

[Judge]

Excuse me, I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap from some sick person.

[Piers Morgan]

Now, I thought that was incredibly disingenuous by Norah o' Donnell for two reasons. One, of course, she was inferring that this had been said about President Trump. She knew that, he knew that, and it was just a ridiculous game she was playing to try and feign innocence. Oh, you think he was talking about you? But secondly, I was trying to think, if that had been Obama or Biden or any of the Democrat presidents in particular, would she have read out these incredibly. Of course not defamatory comments. And the truth is, I don't think she would have done so. There is one rule for Trump in their eyes and one for everybody else. So I'm with you completely.

[Carrie Lake]

They didn't even have access to Obama. Obama barely ever did an interview with these people. And when they did have a chance to ask him questions, and they asked questions of Joe Biden. What's your favorite ice cream flavor? I mean, this is. Pierce, there's no sugarcoating it. The mainstream media is completely shot. It's terrible. There's no recovering with these same cast of characters. They gotta.

[Piers Morgan]

Right, but you haven't actually asked. Okay, but, Carrie, you haven't actually answered my question, which is, does the same rule apply to the political class? Is it incumbent on you and President Trump and every member of the Cabinet to also always tell the truth? You have a lot of truth.

[Carrie Lake]

Well, naturally, I think people. Pierce, of course I think people should tell the truth, and I think the president does. But the media is covering. The media has never covered a president the way they covered President Trump. They have tried to destroy this man's reputation. He's an incredible human being. He's fighting for our country. He didn't need any of this. And they have covered him in a way that is so disrespectful and so hurtful to the American people. It's tearing apart the American people, the work that the media has done. And I'm not going to give them one inch here. These people, many of them, are absolutely despicable human beings for the way they've handled their profession. They've destroyed the profession of journalism. And hopefully we can move some of these folks out and bring a fresh crop in because we need people who actually understand what fairness is. And I don't believe Norah o' Connell has the ability to be a fair human being after that.

[Piers Morgan]

What did you make of. What did you make of President Obama's post on X, which has been widely criticized, didn't mention Trump by name, and it started. Although we don't yet have the details about the motives behind last night's shooting at the White House Correspondents Dinner, it's incumbent upon all of us to reject the idea that violence has any place in our democracy. It's also a sobering reminder of the courage and sacrifice that U.S. secret Service agents show every day. I'm grateful to them and thankful that the agent who was shot is going to be okay. You know, again, noticeable that he didn't mention President Trump by name. And also that he claimed not to have any information about potential motive when in fact several hours before, before he posted that we'd had all the contents of this twisted manifesto which made it pretty clear what his motivation was.

[Carrie Lake]

Well, I'm not going to get into what Obama was thinking. It's pretty sad that he couldn't at least put a word, a line in there that he's thankful that President Trump is safe. But I don't think he is. I think a lot of people in that room, sadly, it's a room full of twisted so called journalists who are radical and I think some of them may have been rooting for the assailant in this case. That's how sick they are. And they have to take the blame for getting in that guy's mind. I mean, the media has. When you're watching a steady stream of people calling the President the most heinous names ever, calling him a dictator, calling him a Hitler, when that is going on day after day after day after day, it's almost like emotional mental abuse that's inflicted on the American people. And some people who are weak minded are going to succumb to that, that kind of rhetoric and they're going to act out. And that's exactly what we saw transpire both in the case at the White House Correspondents Dinner and in the past with the other attempts on the President's life. I wish the media would take some responsibility for it and bring down the temperature about 1,000 degrees.

[Piers Morgan]

Carrie Lake, thank you very much indeed for rejoining me on Uncensored. I appreciate it.

[Carrie Lake]

Thank you.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, let's hear now from my panel. Jack Posobic, the senior editor at Human Events, Joanne Carducci, the commentator known as Jojo from Jurs. Mark Lamont Hill, host of BET News and former law enforcement, better known as the officer. Tatum, Brandon Tatum, welcome to all of you. As we are about to debate this, Melania Trump has now responded to something that Jimmy Kimmel said on Thursday night about the White House Correspondents Dinner. So before it happened, Kimmel's quip, if you can put it like that, although I thought it was singularly humorless in the moment and even more so now was our first lady is here, Mrs. Trump. You have the glow like an expectant widow. Now Melania Clump is now. Trump has now responded. Kimmel hides behind ABC because he knows the network will keep running cover to protect him. She's written on X. Enough is enough. It's time for ABC to take a stand. Now Kimmel did this sort of spoofed cutaways of Melania, the president and the Cabinet while telling jokes he would have told if he'd been at the White House Correspondents Dinner, included the joke about Stephen Miller saying that Miller was baby Hitler traveled in time to kill the U.S. let me start with you, Brandon Tatum. Melania is getting more and more outspoken at the moment, clearly enraged by what Jimmy Kimmel said here, which in the context of what then happened at the White House Correspondent's Dinner, you can understand her rage. To describe her as having the glow of an expectant widow when someone has launched an assassination attempt seems particularly tasteless.

[Brandon Tatum]

What's your view of it, Pierce? This is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, these people are crazy and deranged. They push this stuff every day on television and their articles. And you wonder why people are out here trying to kill President Donald Trump. I put my life on it that he would never say that about any other president or his career would be over. Imagine him saying it about Michelle Obama, that she's looking like an expected widow. That's the most deranged thing that I ever heard in my life. And it doesn't matter if you're Republican or Democrat. I is distasteful and it's inappropriate to say and it's disrespectful to the country. And I don't like Democrats, not one bit. But if anybody were to say that I don't care if you're a Republican or not against a Democrat president, you are wrong and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, I mean, let me go to Jojo here. I mean, I don't care what side of the divide you're on, who you vote for, whatever. I think Brandon Tatum's completely accurate when he says that simply would not have been anything that any late night comedian would have even dared to say about Michelle Obama. And there does seem to be just no rules when it comes to how the mainstream media talk about Trump. Now, they may well argue, well, he trashes us all's fair and love and war, but actually that that's not the, in my view, the acceptable response. They should show more responsibility when they're talking about things like this. What's your view?

[Jojo]

You know, first of all, is that I absolutely abhor political violence, violence of any kind. I want to make that abundantly clear. But Jimmy Kimmel is a comedian. Donald Trump is a public official. If we're going to have this conversation, which I think we should have this conversation, it should begin with Donald Trump. With Donald Trump. I Printed out just to take a page out of his book. Just some of the violent rhetoric that has come from him over the course of the last decade. Stand back and stand by. Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs? He told the January 6 insurrectionists. We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. We have a different vice president now, Piers, because Mike Pence, which I have, that Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our Constitution. That mob wanted to hang Mike Pence in part because of Donald Trump's rhetoric, which he then doubled down on later and said they were right to have want him hanged. Donald Trump has been one of the most divisive political figures, public figures in global politics, at least in the course of my lifetime. And I think you're right. I think that this, this deserves a conversation, the way we talk to each other, but it has to start with him. And again, Jimmy Kimmel is a comedian. We've been doing the White House Correspondents association centers forever. They've always mocked the president. We've had people roasting.

[Piers Morgan]

What is funny, everybody? Okay, all right, all right. But, JoJo, explain to me what is funny, remotely funny about saying that Melania Trump has the glow of an expectant widow, given there have already been two unsuccessful assassination attempts on Trump before this comment was made, and there's been another one afterwards. What is funny about it? Explain to me.

[Jojo]

I mean, just. I didn't say it, first of all, and I didn't actually laugh at that joke. I laughed at the Stephen Miller joke because that is funny. And much of that was funny because he's a comedian. And again, this is what we do, and this is protected speech. Do we have a First Amendment in this country? You don't have to like what he's says. You don't have to find it funny. That's your right. It's also her right not to watch his show. This is protected speech in this country. And the fact that she's using her position of power and the leverage that she has as the first lady to threaten a private citizen's job because he said something she didn't like, I think that is a bridge too far. I'm really worried about this slippery slope. I think she has every right to stand up for herself, to speak out for herself, to say she doesn't like what somebody said, but to tell ABC that they need to fire him again, I think that she needs to focus more on cooling the temperature down from within the White House itself. Just walk across the hall to your melon hued meal ticket, knock on the door and ask him to turn down the temperature himself.

[Piers Morgan]

All right, Japan. The problem here is if you look at this twisted manifesto of this latest shooter, Cole Allen, described by people who knew him as a near genius. He was a teacher who'd recently won awards, everyone seemed to like him and so on. He wasn't a natural red flag person where you would look at him and think, well, he's, you know, he's got criminal convictions and history of violence or any of that. None of that appeared to be. There seems to have been a brilliant mind poisoned, it would appear, by propaganda from the left. I mean, a lot of the language used in his manifesto is the language of the hard left against Trump. And there's no denying that. I mean, I'm not going to say that only the left commit acts of violence. They don't. The right has done just as much, actually in the last 30 years. But I do think on this occasion, there's no doubt this supposedly brilliant mind had had that mind warped by whatever he was hearing about Trump, including Hitler references and so on. And I've warned for a while that if you continually say that Trump is Hitler or Stephen Miller is Hitler or whoever it is, then to a deranged mind, eventually they're going to think they're doing a public service and a duty by killing the new Hitler. Why wouldn't they? So I do think language really matters. So what do you say to people like Jojo who think that the comments of Kimmel about Melania Trump having the glow of an expectant widow, they're just a comedian being a comedian.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, Piers, we've been through a spate in the last couple of years of leftist political violence, the likes of which this country has never seen. The United States has never seen. We've seen a murder of Charlie Kirk by a leftist. We've seen Luigi Maggione, we've seen Thomas Matthew Crooks, by the way, if you put all of those together and look at their academic achievements as well, you can also see that they were very high achievers in their high schools. High on the ACTs, high on the SATs, these college entrance exams, top 1%, top 99th percentile. There's actually a lot of commonalities that we see between the profile of those individuals and this Cole Allen. And yes, ultimately what you see in this manifesto, one thing I tweeted earlier was that what's striking to me is that you don't see any signs of derangement or schizophrenia or any of these things. You just see the exact same type of rhetoric that you would get from watching Jimmy Kimmel and listening to the things that he says and then going out and deciding to take what in his mind is the next logical step to assassinate the President of the United States. Which, by the way, not only did you know, you have the entire. Almost the entire head of the government there, and obviously your interview with Kerry, I think that was quite spot on about security, but also the idea that I had friends there, just personal friends who were sitting in this room, and you had people on the left, you had people on the right. This is a threat to everyone, okay? This is a threat to everyone. And it all needs to stop. It just needs to stop.

[Piers Morgan]

Martin Mont Hill. The most staggering thing to me. Well, one second, Judge, I'll come back to you. But. Martin Mont Hill. One thing that immediately began to happen were an extraordinary number of people on social media immediately saying this was fake. It was a false flag operation. It was staged. People just repeating the word stage. Staged, staged, staged, staged. I think Jojo alluded to this in some of her social media posts. I mean, surely you don't think that anything that happened at the White House Correspondent's Dinner was set up or staged, do you?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

That's an interesting question. I don't think that it was staged, but I. I said I don't think it was staged. You really that out?

[Jojo]

Mom, can you tell me a story?

[Carrie Lake]

Sure. Once upon a time, a mom needed a new car. Was she brave? She was tired mostly. But she went to Carvana.com and found a great. At a great price. No secret treasure map required.

[Jojo]

Did she have to fight a dragon? Nope.

[Carrie Lake]

She bought it 100% online from her bed, actually.

[Jojo]

Was it scary?

[Carrie Lake]

Honey, it was as unscary as car buying could be.

[Jojo]

Did the car have a sunroof?

[Piers Morgan]

It did, actually.

[Jojo]

Okay, good story.

[Carrie Lake]

Car buying. You'll want to tell stories about. Buy your car today on Carvana. Delivery fees may apply.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You don't agree? You think it works?

[Piers Morgan]

Not that hard of the question. Surely the. Surely the evidence.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I answered the question. I said I don't think it was. I just said, I don't think it was staged. That's the only sentence I said. Why are you all responding as if I said the opposite? My only sentence. Well, your first response was to say,

[Piers Morgan]

that's an interesting question. Your first response was interesting. That's an interesting question.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

It's interesting because it is an Interesting question. I'm complimenting you on the question. You're the one that asked. You're the one that asked. If you don't think it's interesting, why would you ask it? I think you all were prepared for me to say one thing, and I didn't. And so you're like. You're like. You're jumping as if I said something different. Everyone up here thinks it was not staged. I, Mark Lamont Hill, agree with you all that it was not staged. Now allow me to continue. I understand that the American people, many people in the American public and really around the world, have a penchant for conspiracy theories. I am not a conspiracy theorist, so it would take a lot for me to get to that point. I do understand, after three assassination attempts, why many people would question the security. They would question how this shooter was able to get such great access. President Trump hasn't participated in a White House correspondence dinner in a long time. You knew he was gonna show up. And to Kerry Lake's point, you know, a lot of people in the media don't like him. You know, a lot of people in the public don't like him. There's a reason why, if this isn't staged, why three people tried to shoot him. So if you know that, you would expect the response to be different from security. So I think the reason why many people. Which is why I think it's interesting why many people are skeptical of this is not. It's not as unfounded as faking the moon landing, which is absurd, or saying the earth is flat, which is absurd. I think it's because of the lack of security and the consistency with which one of the most unpopular presidents in recent memory, at least one of the most polarizing presidents in recent memory, continues to get shot at with not enough security. I think that's why people are asking it.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, Jojo, for the record, do you believe any of that was staged on Saturday?

[Jojo]

I don't think anything was staged. I think we should ask questions. I think that we should ask questions in every one of these cases. I think that that's a reasonable, rational position to take. Unfortunately, the commentary really here is why is it that so many people, not just in this country, but around the world, are saying things like, I think that that's something that we should be considering. What is it about this person, about this administration, about these breaches in security, about these unanswered questions of which we have many. I am also not a conspiracy theorist, but we have a lot of unanswered questions, not just about what happened the other day. And also, by the way, Jack, to your point, I was in D.C. and I had friends there as well. I was at the substack party at the very same time we've been on lockdown. It felt very real and very scary. But I think we should have a conversation about the questions that we have about all of this stuff. I mean, we still don't know that we didn't get a statement from the actual doctor in Butler. We have a lot of outstanding questions related to the shooter in Butler. We have outstanding questions to Charlie Kirk's shooter. These are questions we should ask. Unfortunately, it's really kind of, again, a real commentary on where we are as a country and as a world right now that we can't necessarily trust at face value what this administration is telling us. And particularly as it pertains to Donald Trump's health and safety. Yes. And I think that it would be upon all of us to ask these questions also, Jack, I'm sorry, but to draw the line between Jimmy Kimmel's comedic routine and the natural progression, which is what you said, the logical progression of listening to a comedian and then traveling across the country with firearms to murder members of Donald Trump's cabinet, it is absolutely, on its face, insane.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

[Jojo]

Right. To free speech all the time. I just.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let me just. Let me ask you a question to respond. So do you think you finished your point? Do you remember when you called for Joe Biden to nullify the 2024 election?

[Jojo]

What are you talking about? We're talking about the shooting, right?

[Jack Posobiec]

Do you remember in 2024 when you called for Joe Biden to nullify the results of the election?

[Jojo]

What you're trying to do is you said that he would be totally subject.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Do you remember that?

[Bill Stanton]

Yes or no?

[Jojo]

We're not. Not. We're not. Why do you always bring up Joe Biden? You're like a broken record. And talk about Joe Biden.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I can explain why I'm bringing this up. I'm not bringing this up.

[Piers Morgan]

For no reason.

[Jojo]

Did I did my someone to go with a firearm across the country and try to kill people and allegedly try

[Mark Lamont Hill]

to kill people

[Jack Posobiec]

because the killer shared your post calling to nullify the result of the 2024 election. Have it right here on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So she's responsible for the killer.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are you trying to attribute what happened? Are you very careful right now?

[Jojo]

Are you trying to Insinuate. Excuse me. If you are trying to draw a line between me and what?

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm not drawing a line. He drew the line.

[Jojo]

What you just said is he decided

[Jack Posobiec]

to take your words into.

[Jojo]

Okay, how many times.

[Jack Posobiec]

He decided to take your words. How many times have you shared Donald Trump's rhetoric to post here? I'm happy to send you this, by the way.

[Jojo]

How many times?

[Jack Posobiec]

It's right here, November 13, 2024.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, don't. Don't talk over each other.

[Jack Posobiec]

He decided to, just like you asked him.

[Jojo]

That was a hefty accusation that he just lobbied at me. I have accusation.

[Jack Posobiec]

I have it right here.

[Jojo]

That has nothing to do with me, Jack. You're trying to tie me to someone who allegedly tried to kill. Excuse me.

[Jack Posobiec]

What's alleged about it?

[Jojo]

It. What's alleged?

[Katie Nicholl]

It's.

[Jojo]

It's not an. It's not. The case is not closed. It hasn't gone to trial. You have to say alleged.

[Jack Posobiec]

What, what, what do you. What else?

[Jojo]

Oh, you are judging jury. Are you a judge and jury? Are you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are you really? We have evidence. We have his own family. We have him on video. We have eyewitnesses that I've spoken to

[Jojo]

live in a country of law and order, Jack. We have, we have to say, like, we have to say Donald Trump allegedly raped a 13 year old girl just like Donald Trump was allegedly interested.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is what they do.

[Jack Posobiec]

They don't accept the evidence. They don't accept the actions of their own people. You're not a judge, you're not a jury. Do you want to live in a

[Jojo]

country of law and order or not?

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, please don't. All right, listen. All right, all right. Please don't talk over each other. Because I can tell you. Hang on. I can just tell you. If you all talk over each other, nobody at home can hear. Let me bring in Brandon. He's been waiting, I have to say, respectfully, patiently and silently, Brandon, it seems to me a stain on everyone's houses. There's been increasingly incendiary rhetoric in American political discourse now for many years, from the left and the right. You know, everyone is culpable in this area. I think, I think it's disingenuous of people on the right to say it's just the crazy lefties. I think it's disingenuous of people on the left to deny they're doing it and then to pretend that none of their side do it. Everyone's been doing this. The rhetoric's got increasingly unpleasant. Nasty, violent, fractious, divisive polarizing. And inevitably, in a country with over 400 million weapons, firearms, you're going to get unhinged people who take it in their own hands to exact their warped form of justice, which is they think, oh, well, this guy's the new Hitler. I've got to try and kill him. They're all Hitler. They're all Nazis. We've got to kill them. You know, I understand the warp mindset. If you keep. Think, if you keep being told someone's Hitler, then eventually you're going to take out Hitler as a public service.

[Brandon Tatum]

Yeah, I agree with you on that point. I'll push back on another point. But I do think people need to slow down this rhetoric. Saying all this inflammatory stuff online is just nonsensical. You know, I criticize Trump for saying crazy stuff every now and again. I don't think he should do it. I think it's a waste of time going after private citizens. You know, you're above that. As the president, in my personal opinion, do I think that's a direct correlation to somebody trying to kill him? No, I think the most correlation or the connectivity of that is the mainstream media saying he's Hitler every day. And these nut jobs acting like the dude is doing something he's not doing. I mean, said he was a racist today, ran out of oxygen saying that. Then they compare to Hitler. Then they're saying he's a king, he's a dictator. I mean, these are the most deranged things that you could say about anybody. And of course, these nut jobs, cops are gonna try to posture up and want to kill him. And I don't know why we can't acknowledge that. I can say on one side, I want Trump and Republicans to slow down on what they're doing, but the mainstream media have a higher responsibility because they're out Putting information out 24, 7. Seven days a week. And it's all inflammatory against President Donald Trump and is wrong.

[Jojo]

Didn't J.D. vance.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, let me bring in. All right, let me bring in Martin Lamont Hill here. Martin Lamont Hill. There was a part of the interview with 60 Minutes last night where Donald Trump was told that this shooter had been part of a no Kings event. And he, Trump, linked it to the scandal involving the Southern Poverty Law Center. Let's take a look.

[Judge]

I see these no Kings, which are funded just like the Southern Law was funded. You saw all that Southern laws financing the KKK and lots of other radical, terrible groups. And then they go out and they say, oh, we've Got to stop the kkk and yet they give them hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars.

[Piers Morgan]

They were right.

[Judge]

It's a total scam run by the Democrats.

[Piers Morgan]

Now he's referring of course to the Southern Poverty Law center and this revelation that they paid out millions of pounds to what they claim were informants within these very dangerous and violent groups. First of all, on that scandal, do you believe there's validity to the way that the right are treating this story that is outrageous, unacceptable, it should have been transparent and so on. Or do you accept, I guess what the argument would be, the same argument in its defense that people might use about the FBI who pay informants in gangs and so on and so on, or in the Mafia, whatever it may be. Do you see that as the same thing or do you see it as problematic?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not going to pick either. Or between those options, I think we have to have a more sophisticated answer. I think there should be transparency. I agree with the right that there should be transparency. For example, the SPLC should be saying, hey, we pay informants, right? No one is surprised when the FBI pays a mob informant because we know. So as long as the transparency is there, I don't have an issue with it. Similarly, though, I'm not going to reject the Southern Poverty Law Center's claim that their money goes to informants within the kkk. I don't think they're funding the kkk. I think they're funding informants as a way of dismantling the kkk. Now, we can have debates about whether that's the best strategy or not, but I do accept that as a legitimate strategy, even if I don't think it's the best strategy. Again, we should talk through that. Right now what we need is more transparency. We need a deeper investigation from to make sure that that is in fact the case. But I don't accept this right wing narrative that they're funding the kkk. Also, just in response quickly to the other things that were said first, to the Jimmy Kimmel point, I was one of the people that thought the joke was funny. I like dark humor. If that joke had been made after the shooting, I think it would be unacceptable. I think it would be in bad taste. And I would understand why Melania Trump would be calling for Jimmy Kimmel's head or for his job to be specific. But Mark, it is after shooting, how many more shootings?

[Brandon Tatum]

After two other shootings, shooting attempt on

[Jack Posobiec]

his life, how many more dead?

[Brandon Tatum]

He already almost got killed.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay.

[Jojo]

Actually, if you, throughout this interview

[Mark Lamont Hill]

can we just hold on, please? I've respectfully listened to everyone and every time I've spoken, I've been interrupted. I just want to make the point and then you all can respond and we can have a conversation. My point is the premise of the joke with Melania Trump is that she doesn't like him and that he is old and that he is dying. If that joke had been made to Jill Biden, I would be laughing. Why? Cuz Joe Biden was old, he was a president, he shouldn't have been in office. He was dying, he was Weekend at Bernie's. We all have the jokes, right? How many times was Joe Biden called Weekend at Bernie's? It was funny because of the premise. That is why I like the joke. I'm not telling you all you have to like the joke. I'm just saying that, that I understand the logic of the joke. The joke wasn't to invite murder. That's all I'm saying. And if we want a country that values free speech, we have to hold space for that. As far as the climate here, yes, we do live in a climate that is volatile and where we say things that lead to action. But every time we criticize Donald Trump for excessive executive orders, and yes, Democrats did it too. Every time we criticize Trump for moving without congressional approval, every time we move Trump for fighting unjust wars or prosecuting unjust wars, yes, he's moving like a monarch. And yes, yes, we're going to have marches, yes, we're going to have criticisms, yes, we're going to have takes that call him a king. And yes, when he wants to commit or not commit, but aid and fund genocides in other countries, yes, we have a right to compare him to despotic leaders throughout history. I don't use the Hitler comparison. I don't. But there are comparisons that can be made. And when something awful happens, instead of saying maybe people want to kill him because he keeps doing, he keeps killing people, we say maybe people want to kill him because people call him a killer. That's, to me, that is the most ridiculous he who smelt the delta logic I've ever heard.

[Brandon Tatum]

Let me just say this, Mark. The reason that I jumped in there, because you said this would be distasteful if it happened after a shooting. Well, they did shoot him. And Donald Trump almost got killed before. And then it was two other assassination attempts. And so when you have assassination attempts that have already occurred, one in which he almost got killed and somebody jokes about him getting killed. And the interesting Thing is, that guy tried to kill him the same night. Don't you see the parallel? Don't you see how this is problematic that this guy came to kill Trump right after Kimmel made the joke? It's because there's a logic there. There's people reiterating and talking about this. It wasn't enough time for Kimmel's joke to transfer to this guy's head to make him kill him that night.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Brandon Tatum]

But this is an ongoing scenario where people are continuing to flood the Internet with this ideology that's unacceptable. I don't know how you can't get that.

[Jojo]

Can I tell a person?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

May I respond to that? Do you mind if I respond to that? He asked me a question. I apologize. You asked the question. So, yes, again, Mark, if you respond,

[Piers Morgan]

then, Jojo, I will come to you.

[Jojo]

Okay, thanks.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'll be real fast. I agree with you that the language and the rhetoric matters. I'm not disagreeing with you. And I didn't say that Trump hadn't been there was an attempt at Trump, Trump's killing before. I was simply saying if Kimmel had done this right after this shooting, it would be in poor taste. Yes, the shooting happened months ago and another shooting happened a year or so ago. I'm with you. I'm with you. I don't like any of the violent language, but it's an off color joke that I don't think leads to the violence. When you look at the guy's manifesto, when you read why he was outraged, I don't think he's being motivated by political comedians. I think he's being motivated by the political climate. And if we're going to talk about that, then we have to talk about the language that all of us use, Democrats and Republicans, the language we use to talk about Palestinians, the language we use to talk about shithole countries in Africa, the language we use to talk about low IQ politicians, all of it can lead to violence. And guess what? It's not just happening from Democrats, it's happening from everybody. So let's calm it all down. But let's not pretend every time we criticize Trump we're enabling killers.

[Carrie Lake]

Okay?

[Brandon Tatum]

Okay, Jojo, I digress.

[Carrie Lake]

Yeah.

[Jojo]

So I just wanted to say a couple of things. Donald Trump has pardoned and or commuted the sentences of 1,600 plus people who attacked our Capitol on January 6th. They're looking to vacate the criminal convictions of the people who coordinated that attack. But as a personal antidotal story here, Donald Trump made jokes about Paul Pelosi's attack. Donald Trump has repeatedly made jokes about Paul Pelosi's attack. I'm a mom of two. I'm a single mom of two. About a couple of months after Paul Pelosi's attack, in conjunction with one of Donald Trump's jokes, I got a series of text messages with pictures of my home. And then in short order, I got a phone call from someone who sounded like they were in the car and said to me, we know you're home. We know your kids are home. We are going to Paul Pelosi. You next. That was on the heels of a joke that Donald Trump had made about Paul Pelosi. So please spare me this performative pearl clutching about how it is only people on the left when no one on that side is willing to hold him accountable for jokes like that, for rhetoric like that. I experienced that personally. I had to call my own police department. I had to call the FBI. I had to live in perpetual, and still do perpetual fear of violence against myself and my children. And Donald Trump owns that. So to pretend that he is above the fray here and that this is the Jimmy Kimmels of the world and it's not landing squarely at him, his feet, then I'm sorry, but that just doesn't pass the smell test.

[Brandon Tatum]

There's a difference.

[Jack Posobiec]

Jimmy Kimmel.

[Piers Morgan]

Hang on. Yeah, Jack, you go on.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I was just saying that I, I, I mean, I feel horrible for that. My, my family's been swatted as well. And the point that we're making is, is that you should be able then to call for a tone down of the rhetoric on all sides. That's why we're not giving Jimmy Kimmel a pass. Well, you just did give Jimmy Kimmel a pass, and you didn't even condemn the killer himself. When I pointed out that he was retweeting.

[Jojo]

You doing a match ahead of an event, an event that is notorious, you're still doing it for public, for public criticism of the person who is in the executive branch.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We're talking two different systems.

[Jojo]

Jimmy Kimmel didn't advocate for somebody to kill Donald Trump. Donald Trump made jokes about Paul Pelosi being hit in the head with a hammer.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

How are these.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's all bipartisan. It's all one drama, equivalency.

[Jojo]

Why can't you.

[Brandon Tatum]

No, no. Can you. You saying Jimmy Kimmel is not wrong, but you're saying, John, Donald Trump made a joke?

[Jojo]

United States of America. He's not. Was Donald Trump when he said that Mike Pence should have been hanged. Was Donald Trump right in commuting the sentences of the 1600 people who had an involvement in an attack on our Capitol?

[Piers Morgan]

Why don't we agree this. Okay, time out. Time out. Why don't we agree. Why don't we all. Why don't we all try. Hang on, please. Why don't we all try and agree this. Why don't we all agree that when acts of violence or attacks on politicians in particular occur, the first reaction is not to claim because it's the other side. It must be staged. And, Brandon, I have to say, you know when Ilya Omar was sprayed at a recent event with an unknown substance, you said this. Let's take a look.

[Brandon Tatum]

The bottom line is that I'm looking at this impartially. I don't know what anybody said. I saw the video, and it does not look consistent with someone trying to assault another person, which means I have never in my life seen a person get up, spray something out of syringe at someone's chest. It happened to be nothing, inert. And then she comes after him. You didn't see her back away from him. You didn't see her shy away from him. You didn't see any of the.

[Piers Morgan]

But, Brandon, you would say.

[Brandon Tatum]

The guy didn't even resist.

[Piers Morgan]

Brandon, you. Brandon, you would say. Brandon, Brandon, Brandon. Brandon, you would say the complete opposite if that was a Republican Congress.

[Brandon Tatum]

That's not true.

[Piers Morgan]

So that debate we had then. Brandon, I do think. Hang on, hang on. Let me handle this, please. Brandon, the point I would make is, as I said then, if it was the other way around, you would say the opposite. And you have. But this happens from everybody. I get loads of people.

[Brandon Tatum]

No, no, no. Pierce, Pierce, let's talk about it. Where have you seen me say anything to the contrary about a Republican or not? You never heard it. There is a. Clearly, it was fake. Do we not. Do we not. Do we not know that that was fake? He did not squeeze any type of chemical agent on her. Did he or did he not? It was fake. I knew it was fake. I saw it. What do you mean you said we

[Mark Lamont Hill]

did not know it?

[Brandon Tatum]

Cause you can see that it's fake. Listen, I did. Listen, I have done investigations. I'll let you talk, young lady. Hold on a second. I have done investigations so many times in my career. I've investigated violent crimes. I've looked at surveillance videos, and I've done this media stuff for a very long time. When I watch her mannerisms and behavior, I can tell that it's Inconsistent with somebody that's being sprayed by a chemical agent. Which she don't know that she don't know if it's. It's dangerous or not. No one would get sprayed by something and try to attack the attacker. What do we find out? What do we find out, Pierce? What do we find out?

[Piers Morgan]

Brandon?

[Brandon Tatum]

I was correct.

[Piers Morgan]

Brandon, here's my point. Here's my point.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

We didn't find that out.

[Piers Morgan]

Your natural reaction. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

[Brandon Tatum]

He admitted that it was not. What it was.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're implying to the audience that it was. That it was proven that it was staged. No, it was proven that there was no chemical in there. It was not a staged event. You may believe that, but there's no evidence. Common sense.

[Brandon Tatum]

Use your common sense. Why would a guy stand up and commit a felony to put sugar water on somebody?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Because people don't want. Why do you want

[Brandon Tatum]

mark them on here? I'm going to tell you what I'm gonna do.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm answering you. I'm answering. I have been attacked at. I have been attacked at events with people who had powder substances. The powder turned out not to be a chemical. I can assure you. I didn't stage it. Sometimes people who are not well do things. Sometimes people do things to intimidate you. Sometimes people do things to create a distraction. As you know, as a security person or as a law enforcement officer who does dun. Security. I'm telling you that just because someone doesn't have a chemical agent with them doesn't mean that the person who was the victim stage. That's all I'm saying.

[Brandon Tatum]

It does not. And it does not. You don't have any evidence that it wasn't staged. I'm giving my perspective. Hold on, let me finish. I'm giving my perspective based on what you said. You said it was evidence make up.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right? But you said it was proven that it was. Just saying it wasn't proven that it was staged.

[Brandon Tatum]

I said it was proven that it was sugar water and it wasn't a chemical agent. I said it was proven that it was sugar water wasn't a chemical agent. Which aligns with what I'm observing when it happened to her. If it was another scenario. Cuz I don't give a flying flip if it's a Republican or Democrat. If the scenario looked fake, it looked fake. What are we talking about?

[Jojo]

A lot of people think.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me say something. What we're talking about is that in the moment, Ilian Omar did not know it was fake. Clearly it was a scary Incident involving a person.

[Brandon Tatum]

How do you know that? Ilhan Omar. We have not. They have not concluded the investigation into what did Elon Omar.

[Piers Morgan]

So there you go. So you're basically saying stage. Here's my point, Brandon. Here's my point.

[Brandon Tatum]

That's what I believe it is.

[Piers Morgan]

Here's what. Here's my point. Here's my point. We've all got to move away. Here's my point. We've got to. We've got to move past a stage where we view every attack on a politician as.

[Brandon Tatum]

Just believes every attack on a politician. I didn't think Pelosi was staged. I didn't think the Pelosi attack was staged. I didn't. If it looks like it's staged, then I'm gonna say this is what it looked like. And I gave an articulable reason why. Her behavior, her mannerism, the fact that

[Piers Morgan]

he would never have done. All right, but you wouldn't have done that. You wouldn't have done that.

[Brandon Tatum]

Where's your evidence that I would have never done?

[Piers Morgan]

I just don't. I just don't.

[Brandon Tatum]

Show me an example.

[Piers Morgan]

I trust the same gut instinct that you trust yourself.

[Brandon Tatum]

You don't have any evidence, though. You don't have any evidence to say that. I would not hold people accountable if they were Republicans and they fake something.

[Piers Morgan]

We should agree.

[Jojo]

Butler.

[Piers Morgan]

I think we should agree. What? I think we should have a right to.

[Brandon Tatum]

Christian Butler.

[Piers Morgan]

I think we should agree. Let me make my point. We should agree. We should agree collectively that we are no longer going to view attacks on politicians if it's someone from the other side. Right. People are no longer going to take an immediate position. Oh, it must be faked. It must be staged. Secondly, the jokes about. Wait a minute, Brandon. And jokes about political violence or about Trump being dead and his wife being a glowing widow, whatever, given there have been two attempts in his life before that joke was made, should be ruled actually unacceptable. That actually it's not funny. Nothing that encourages the idea of dead politicians. I was out the other night, the Time 100 Gala, and I sat with Senator Mark Kelly and with Gabby Giffords. And I remember when Gabby Giffords got shot and very nearly killed. And it was a reminder to me that political violence, whatever side you're on, is completely unacceptable. And rhetoric about political violence should be completely unacceptable. And I've seen it on both sides. And I also think calling out. Calling out attacks and incidents involving politicians where you take a view because it's not your side. I think he's wrong.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Give me 30 seconds. Give me 30 seconds. Your statement suggests that what Jimmy Kimmel did. Piers.

[Jojo]

What?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Your statement suggests that what Jimmy Kimmel did was make a joke about political violence. I understand that some of you are making the connection between the two. Jimmy Kimmel wasn't joking that he was. That Donald Trump would be assassinated. The joke, once again, is that he's old and she wants him to die. I get the other things that you're saying. I just wanna be clear for the audience, the millions of people.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's actually the joke. I actually disagree with you on that because you made a baby.

[Piers Morgan]

Hear me out.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

But my point is, Jimmy, we can interpret the joke differently, but he can make a joke about political violence.

[Piers Morgan]

Mark, last time. Okay, Mark, one question. Have you spoken to Jimmy Kimmel? Do you know that's what he meant?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, I'm telling you how I interpreted the joke. I'm saying the joke did not include any commentary about political violence. We're all interpreting the joke, but it would be ineligible. Accurate as journalists to suggest that the joke.

[Piers Morgan]

You are assuming.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

As are you.

[Piers Morgan]

Assuming that's what.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

As are you.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah.

[Brandon Tatum]

Pierce.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Pierce.

[Jojo]

Against Donald Trump.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You're moving the Goalpost Post. You're moving the golf course.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm going to say to you.

[Brandon Tatum]

No, no, you are.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm going to say to you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

This is what I said. Hang on. No, no, hang on. You're mis. You're misrepresenting yourself.

[Piers Morgan]

Shut up. Shut up. If Greg Gut fails, you don't have

[Mark Lamont Hill]

to tell me to shut up. You can just. I'll wait. There's a time delay. Okay? Relax.

[Piers Morgan]

Just stop shouting. All right, fine. I've told you to stop talking and you refused, right? I'm still the moderator of this show.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

If there's a time delay. Piers, I'm not interrupting you. There's a time delay.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay. You are hearing me repeatedly say, please stop talking. Correct. If Greg Gutfeld had said the same joke about, say, the Bidens, I don't think you'd have raced to defend the comedian in the way that you're racing to defend Jimmy Kimmel. I don't think any of you. It is acceptable. Stop joking about politicians dying or being killed. Stop questioning and querying that they're staged when they're obviously not. And stop glorifying in rhetoric political violence at all. I think they would be three really good starting places for how we try to move on from what happened in.

[Carrie Lake]

Let me ask a question.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, let me respond now. Now respond, Pierce.

[Jojo]

Okay.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes. When I say you moved the goalpost My point wasn't that my interpretation of the joke was right and your interpretation of the joke was wrong. What I'm saying is, as a matter of fact, the joke did not include a reference to political violence. You're saying that that's how you took it? I'm saying I didn't take it that way. I'm okay with either interpretation, but I was simply correcting you, as a matter of fact, that the joke didn't include political violence. Number two, I worked on Red eye. Is that Fox News? No, no, no. I worked on Red Eye with Greg Gutfeld for years on Fox News and we made numerous jokes about Obama, some of which included jokes about the first black president being shot. So again, you are objectively wrong. So I'm going to ask you now that I have corrected the record and showing you that I've worked with Greg that filled on Red Eye at Fox News and that we made jokes about Obama dying that were made by me. Can you at least acknowledge that you're wrong?

[Piers Morgan]

Yes.

[Jojo]

Thank you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Thank you.

[Carrie Lake]

Also said that

[Jojo]

bombshell released their lives.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Wait a minute.

[Piers Morgan]

On that dramatic bombshell we have. We have sadly run out of time. I appreciate the panel and the passion for running high. We all have to kill it.

[Brandon Tatum]

Shut up.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, that's fair enough, too. We have to collectively work to lower the temperature. So shut up, guys. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Well, joining me now, security commentator, AKA America's bodyguard, Bill Stanton. Bill Stanton, thank you for joining me on uncensored. Was this a massive security failure in the sense of this shooter being able to calmly book into the Hilton the day before and not be checked and have all these weapons and carry out his attack?

[Bill Stanton]

Well, I'm going to give you a double answer. I'm going to say yes and no. Piers, thanks for having me. By the way, I'm going to say it was a failure in so much that he got that close and it was a success in so much that he was stopped. There's a lot of holes in the security plan as I see it.

[Piers Morgan]

And what for you, from your perspective, what are the biggest holes?

[Bill Stanton]

Well, it's done in a public venue. My understanding is that it was open to the public. The rest of the hotel. This mental moron probably got his battle plan from playing video games and studying on the Internet. If they had a tier one assaulter going to do the job, that person or persons probably would have got a lot further and possibly would have achieved their demented goal.

[Piers Morgan]

What should happen now? We've got the king of my country arriving with the Queen in Washington today. A lot of concern about the security arrangements for the various functions, the state visit. It includes a White House dinner tonight. Then he got the king appearing at Congress and so on. You know, God forbid anything should happen during this four day trip. But what should we be doing about these kind of incidents? They seem to be happening thick and fast, particularly with President Trump.

[Bill Stanton]

Well, I've done personal security, executive protection. I've also been part of event security. And I will tell you as a security professional, complaincy isn't the friend of the security agent. And that's what may be happening here. That and the organizers, whether it's the politicians or the organizers of the event, they want the free flow. They want to get the people in and out as unobtrusively as possible. We live in a world now where we see these people that go from the cyber world speaking rhetoric that want to bring violence to the real world. What does that mean? That means the game of the security professionals needs to be ticked up that much more. So if the guests of these attendees that are going to these events, if they have to go through a couple more layers of security, if it has to be off site in a secured venue, then so be it. Because as we see, these things aren't getting lessened, they're only increasing.

[Piers Morgan]

When you looked at the twisted manifesto of this shooter, what did you glean from that? What do you think you're dealing with? Donald Trump thinks a lone wolf. There seems to be nothing in this guy's background to suggest he'd ever be capable. In fact, quite the opposite. He seemed quite a quiet, well mannered, very intelligent guy. He was a teacher who recently won an award and so on. Nothing there that would have had any red flags about a potential presidential assassin. So what do you think we're dealing with?

[Bill Stanton]

Well, I shake my head in sadness because as we'd like to blame the bad guys in the Middle east or these terrorists, I blame our politicians both on the left and the right with their rhetoric. They're violent rhetoric, everybody. If you don't agree with someone, they're instantly called a racist or Hitler. And what's happening is they're becoming self actualized terrorists. They're always online. You see these young males online reading this vitriolic rhetoric and they want to have relevance. And they go from the cyber world into the real world and they think they're going to become somebody by taking someone out. And it's just a sad commentary on us as a Culture where we feel we could say anything from behind that keyboard and you'll always have some sick son of a bee that'll take it, to take it as real and say, I'm going to fix what's wrong. And this is my opinion as a security professional for over 30 years. It's just, I don't see any end in sight until we stop this rhetoric and we make the bad guys pay.

[Piers Morgan]

And, you know, it's interesting, I don't know whether it's relevant or not, but a lot of people blame social media and the Internet for whipping people up into committing these crimes and so on. You know, four sitting US presidents have been killed. Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and John F. Kennedy. All of them, of course, long before the Internet ever existed. Ronald Reagan was shot and survived long before the Internet. Donald Trump is the only president in the Internet era who's been shot and he thankfully survived. You know, I'm not sure it's as simple as simply saying the Internet's winding people up, social media is winding people up, and so on, when actually the facts suggest this has always been a problem in a country which is awash with guns and a lot of people, many of whom suffer from mental illness or anger management issues or whatever it may be.

[Bill Stanton]

Well, you know what, listen, if you are determined to take a life by giving up your life, whether it's a gun, a steak knife, an automobile or a gas can, you know they're going to do it. But if there is a deterrent, if the laws are enforced, we see in states across the country where you have these activist judges, these equitable politicians and prosecutors, where you'll have this revolving door. We just had a cop killed in New York City and, you know, it wasn't across the board, murder one. And that's a sad commentary. You know, people are taking lives and they're not getting properly punished. That's an incentive, in my opinion, to these people that are either mentally deranged or have an agenda to do harm to others.

[Piers Morgan]

Bill Stanton, America's bodyguard, much appreciated. Coming on censor. Thank you very much.

[Bill Stanton]

Thank you, sir. 10 for that.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, turning now to the state visit of King Charles to the United States. The monarch is jetting in for a high stakes four day tour which is officially in honor of America's 250th anniversary of independence. Of course, his itinerary has reportedly been whittled down to only a handful of on camera appointments with President Trump, not because of the latest apparent attack on Trump's life, but to limit the risk of the King having to respond to the President's wisecracks about the United Kingdom or Trump's quips about the state of Britain's navy and the state of our Prime Minister, as well as the looming Epstein scandal, has the palace on high alert. Joining me to set the scene are King Charlie's Angels, live from the Royals Uncensored hq, where preparations are well underway for this Thursday's big launch of Royals Uncensored. Katie Nicholl, Jo Elvin and Grant Harrell. Welcome to all of you. Katie Nicholl, your past, apart from anything else, your set looks great. Let me start with you, Katie Nicholl, if I can. People were sort of curious about the level of interest that we were going to have in this visit over here in America, I mean, New York talk. I've got to say that, interestingly, the incident at the White House Correspondent's Dinner, I think has massively increased interest in the royal visit. Because the inevitable question is, well, are they going to be safe while they're here? So it's interesting to see how this story's been morphed into the security scandal that happened on Saturday. How concerned, Katie, do you think King Charles will be about his security on this trip, given what's just happened?

[Katie Nicholl]

I don't think he'll be overly concerned, Piers is the honest answer. This is a man who visited the states 19 times as prince of Wales. This is a man who's, you know, had shots fired at him himself and who has always remained incredibly calm under any situations that are pressurized. Quite frankly, we've seen him heckled over here, alright. It's not quite being shot at, but he has been in situations that have been precarious. And whenever I've been on tours with King Charles, whenever I've watched him at close quarters, he never seems bothered by the crowds or anything else. And that is because he puts his absolute trust in his protection officers who are around him. I don't actually think that he gives it a second thought, such as his trust in the men and women around him who are protecting them. And I would make the point that security is going to be paramount. It always is on a tour like this. This is a tour that has had months and months of wrecking behind it. Security will always have been the priority when it comes to the King, but particularly in wake of what has happened at the weekend.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, Grant, Harold. It's interesting. I was on Fox and Friends over here this morning, their big morning show at Fox, and they were asking me about the relationship between King Charles and President Trump. And I said, well, they, they both share one character trait which is very noticeable and very, I think, to both their credits, which is they're both remarkably calm under literal fire. You know, we saw it when Trump got hit by a bullet in Pennsylvania and he got back up and said, fight, fight, fight. We saw it at the White House Correspondents dinner where he was remarkably calm as it was all going down and then gave a very chilled out press conference afterwards. And it reminded me of in the mid-90s when Charles, then Prince Charles, was in Sydney, Australia. And we've got a clip here. This is where somebody actually using blanks, it turned out, but attacked him while he was giving a big speech in Australia. Let's take a look. I mean, Charles was kind of laughing and joking pretty quickly after that. Very Trumpian response to somebody trying to potentially take his life. So they do seem to have that in common.

[Jo Elvin]

They do. And what's interesting, I know both of those close protection officers and I remember talking about that incident and they, they kind of made the point that he is a very kind of calm individual when things go wrong. He's such a pro, as, you know, Piers, and that just goes to kind of show. And as you mentioned with President Trump, it's the same. They both kind of almost take it in the stride. If anything, the King doesn't like the fuss of security. He would rather just do his own thing without being followed around. I mean, quite often, if you're ever up at Highgrove and you're kind of driving along the side of the roads, you'll sometimes see him actually just strolling along, having a little walk. There is always security nearby, but, you know, he does like to try to do his own thing when he can. So he's very cool and very kind of collective when it comes to his security. Strangely enough,

[Piers Morgan]

Joe Alvin, the interesting weapon that may have to be neutralized is of course, Donald Trump's mouth. We know that he spent the last few months dumping on the United Kingdom, dumping on Keir Starmer, dumping on our armed forces, dumping on pretty much everything to do with our great country. And it does beg the question, over four days, how precarious is it going to be for our King and Queen Camilla, of course, to be in close proximity to a man with the most inflammatory and unpredictable mouth in the world.

[Grant Harrell]

To be honest, I think, Piers, that everybody in our government is probably hugely relieved that of all the people touched, it is actually King Charles, who's had what, 60 years of, you Know, life on the front lines of public life and public duty. He's seen of, you know, as Prince, albeit for the most part of his life, but he's spoken to world leaders all over the world. And I actually think that the other point to make is that of all the world leaders and public figures that I can think of at the moment, King Charles is the one that I think Donald Trump might listen to, might let get a word in edgeways, might actually sort of like have something sink in that. That he actually cares about. I feel like he's so reverential about the British Royal family and his relationship with the Royal family that I think that he will probably let. Let King. I still. Still do the Prince Charles thing sometimes. I'm so sorry, you imagine still let King Charles land a couple of points about, you know, some of the missteps, some of the insults about things like our army, and actually let it land and let it sink in from the King, of all people.

[Piers Morgan]

You know, Katie, the interesting thing is Trump never attacks the Royal family. I mean, he'll attack the renegades, Meghan and Harry. And I think he said one or two things, possibly about Andrew, but nothing too bad, but. But he certainly has never said anything critical about Charles or Camilla or William or Kate or the late great Queen, who was one of his heroes. I mean, he spoke to me about the Queen in the most sort of poetic way, you know, telling me how after the last state visit, he rang me the morning after and he was reminding me that he was six when the coronation happened in 53, and his mum put him on her knee to watch it on television, which had just come out. So television was only a new thing and that was one of the first things that was broadcast around the world. So it's been ingrained in him from that age. And I think that that's why there's this sort of reverence he has to the family. And I think he also loves all the pomp and ceremony he does, which he's now going to get back, which he's now going to get, you know, be able to give the chance to return the favor. But I think that for that reason, I expect it will all go pretty smoothly, because Donald Trump, he won't want to upset the apple cart with the royal.

[Katie Nicholl]

He's not going to want to upset the apple cart, Piers, you're absolutely right. I think what's so telling is one of the first engagements we're going to see in a couple of hours time is Charles going to visit Donald Trump's beehives. And that just says everything you need to know. I mean, this is Trump really wanting to get off on the right foot with the King. And you know, that will tickle, Charles, I'm sure. And of course there is the opportunity, as you say, for Trump and the first lady to roll out the red carpet quite literally at tomorrow's State dinner. I mean, I think where we're going to perhaps see the most impact and what we will probably be reflecting on later on in the week when we're hosting our show is going to be the address to Congress, because I think that's where we're going to see Charles exercising that soft power, that diplomacy, those words you're hearing banded around. And that's really important because that is his opportunity to address Congress and to perhaps highlight Iran, Ukraine. He's not going to be political, but it will be his opportunity to get a very carefully coded message across. And that's going to highlight, I think quite beautifully why these tours are so important.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, yeah, and Grant, you know, the thing to remember is this is a, this is a government appointed trip and he'll be speaking on behalf of the UK government, not as an individual. I think people need to remember that. I'm told it's quite interesting actually that he never looks remotely nervous about anything, King Charles. But I am told that he's quite nervous about the Congress speech because you could argue this is the most important speech of his entire life. It comes after a period of years, years of real turmoil with the Royal family with the death of his father, then the death of his mother, the, you know, his son Harry running off to California with Meghan Markle and spray gunning them all on national television. Andrew, his brother at the center of this enormous Epstein scandal. It's hard to imagine in royal history, certainly modern times a more traumatic sort of six, seven years. And here he has a chance, the King, to stand at the center of global power, the United States Congress, as the head of our country and state and to reset the fable, special relationship and to kind of remind people we're a pretty great country. I mean that's the opportunity.

[Jo Elvin]

Absolutely. And I mean it's a huge honor and he'll know it's a huge honour. I mean his mother had the same honour in the 90s as well. So he'll know this is a big, a big deal. And the thing is about him is he's, you know, as I said, he's very, you know, he takes this very seriously. I mean, I can imagine that you know, his speech, he'll spend many, many hours, weeks working on it. And I don't know if I'm sure you know this, but he actually, somebody once said to me, does he actually write his own speeches? Absolutely. I remember him doing them. Of course he has them cross checked and everything, but he does them himself. And as you said, he's been through a lot recently and you know, this could be a very defining moment. You know, this might be something that, this special relationship. I was saying to Katie and Jo that there's very few people that could save this if we're being realistic. But the King's got such an amazing way about him. He's such a, he's so good with diplomacy, with everybody, not just with world leaders. I've witnessed it personally. You know, he's great the way he deals with situations. So if there's a man for the job, it's him.

[Piers Morgan]

Joe, not everyone over here is a massive fan of the Royal Family. There are lots of genuine Republicans in every sense of that word, one of whom is Lauren Bobbitt, the Congresswoman who I had on the show quite recently. Let's take a look at what she said.

[Carrie Lake]

Do you think it's appropriate for King

[Piers Morgan]

George to meet with members when they

[Jack Posobiec]

come up here as they pursue the

[Piers Morgan]

Epstein investigation because of his brother?

[Carrie Lake]

I wouldn't meet with him.

[Jojo]

So I, I don't know. I, I have 1776. I have nothing to do with, with King George or the Royal Family. I am American first and I have no, I have no need to meet with him.

[Piers Morgan]

Will you attend the speech?

[Jojo]

I, I, probably not.

[Grant Harrell]

I don't know.

[Jojo]

I mean, maybe I'll show up.

[Carrie Lake]

I don't know.

[Jojo]

You guys are in there. Sometimes we get great photos. So have a great day.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you.

[Piers Morgan]

I think she still thinks she's back in 1776 when we had a King George III, of course, who managed to lose us the reins of power in this country. So obviously she was, not only was she confused but the, the interviewer was confused. Very awkward moment. But she's, she'll be there at Congress, I'm sure. What do you think? I mean, should we, does it matter? There are Republicans in the UK who don't like the Royal Family. Does it matter that there are a splattering of them over here?

[Grant Harrell]

Look, it's a view. Everybody is entitled to their views. But I know from my own experience just how adored the Royal Family is in America and I think it's rather backward thinking on Lauren's part. I think to just completely dismiss that special relationship. We've talked a lot already on this program about how important it is for both countries, and it just feels, I don't know, rather ignorant to just be sort of like still holding this grudge from 250 years ago that certainly our own royal family and our own government isn't.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, I did a joke on X, which you should never do. Obviously, nobody on X has a sense of humor, particularly about anything to do with sarcasm, but I made a point that when it was mooted that the Americans may not support us keeping the Falkland Islands and might help Argentina reclaim them, I said, no problem, Mr. President. In that case, I think we should reclaim the United States of America. Perfect timing with the 250th anniversary of independence coming up in America and King Charles should announce this in the middle of his speech in Congress. At least 80% of people that read it, but they believed it. They took it completely literally. And then all I got was a bunch of. Of what I would call the more lively contingent of my American following, pointing out that they drove us Brits out of America with guns and they weren't remotely afraid about doing it again.

[Grant Harrell]

Well, what's the most famous song from the musical Hamilton, Piers? Well, my favorite, anyway, you'll be back, sung by King George.

[Piers Morgan]

There you go. There you go. Katie. In terms of importance, I do think this is a highly important moment for the reign of King Charles iii. I think it is a pivotal moment for him, and it's also a reminder to the world that actually the British monarchy and the American presidency remain the two biggest institutions, I would say, in the world.

[Katie Nicholl]

I think you're absolutely right. And, Piers, you said earlier, didn't you, that this might be the most important address of his reign? And I think it very possibly will be. We were just speaking before we came on air about the importance of this tour. I've just published a piece in Vanity Fair, and part of the point I make in this piece is that while we've seen very little change in terms of the Queen's reign, that transition to Charles iii, it's been deliberately low key without too many ructions, without too many ups and downs. That's very deliberate. The impact that the King has had on the international stage, conversely, has been quite dynamic. I mean, we've seen him take that tour to the Vatican and have that meeting of the head of the Catholic Church with the head of the church of England. You know, real progression. Went to Australia, went to Samoa. He's going to the United States. And addressing Congress for the very first time. These are really big, weighty things. And I don't think it's any coincidence that the biggest things he's doing in his reign are on an international stage. And I think. I think that's all about projecting the importance of the Royal family. I mean, constitutionally, we're completely different to the United States. We know that we have a head of state who can't make political comments and won't do at Congress. But look at what he can achieve, which I would say no politician can. I think it's a reminder of just how powerful the royal family is and that unique role that it's able to fulfill.

[Piers Morgan]

We're told that they're going to avoid Katie, anything to do with the Epstein scandal and Andrew, of course, his brother. How likely is that going to hold that position? Or are they going to get awkward? People shouting awkward things, do you think?

[Katie Nicholl]

Well, I think it's very possible they might appear, but then that happens. Over here in the uk, we've seen the King publicly heckled many times and it's a bit like being in the midst of a security breach. He. He just keeps calm and carries on. He's the master of deflection. He'll know exactly what to do. I mean, my inside track was that Camilla really wanted to meet some of the victims of domestic abuse and some of Epstein's victims, but wasn't allowed to do it. At least that was what the palace were telling us. They weren't allowed to do it because of the ongoing police investigation. But I would also just make the point that when it comes to what the UK have done in terms of the Epstein files and the allegations, you know, we. We have a prince who's been arrested and has been questioned largely with the Epstein files at the center of it all. So, you know, arguably we've done more over here in the UK than they have in America. So if Epstein comes up, okay, it comes up, but the King will know exactly how to deal with it.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, Grant, the other thing we haven't mentioned, of course, is the King's health. He's still battling cancer, so far as we know, still receiving treatment, and I'm told he gets good days and bad days and some days he's very tired from meat treatment and so on. You know, he's in his mid-70s. This is quite a grueling trip to be doing when you've got cancer.

[Jo Elvin]

Well, we were just talking about this, actually. I mean, that's the thing we've got to remember is that he is still having treatment. And as you've said, he has good days. I've been told that he has good days and bad days. And I think we can even sometimes tell, you can just by looking at him, sometimes he looks like he's doing really well and other days you kind of get worried about him. I think the thing is, Piers, he's aware that he's got this ongoing battle and he's aware if we're being realistic, he might be thinking, right, while I'm able to do these kind of overseas tours and duties, he's going to make the most of it. So when some people have said to me, he seems to be doing quite a lot for somebody that's going through treatment, of course he is, because while he's able to, he'll want to, he'll want to do the best he can with the time that's available to him. So hopefully he's got a long life and a long reign, but at the same time he's realistic, he's not stupid and he'll be making sure that he's making the best of his time and being able to do the job that he's there to do.

[Piers Morgan]

Joe, finally, very exciting royal news. Nothing to do with the King or the President, but the launch of the Royals Uncensored, our brand new channel on the Uncensored family stable. And we've got some very special guests that are going to be involved in your debut. So we want to make sure everyone watches. Absolutely. And because we're such a well oiled machine, Bianca Nobilo, host of History Uncensored, will be covering the surprisingly salacious history of state visits on her channel too. So we're morphing all our channels together in a massive royal historical push this week. And but Jo, for those who are maybe watching this and are like intrigued by what you're going to unleash, give me a little flavor of what's to come.

[Grant Harrell]

If you are in any way interested in the royal family and what they're up to and all the analysis behind the meaning of everything you see on the public stage, then you will not want to miss this show. We are going to be forensically obsessive about the royal family, what they're doing, whether they should be doing it, what they're up to. And we're going to, we will be having some of the world's leading experts and authors coming in to give us their takes as well. And you know, we all get along very well, we three, but there will be room for fiery debate. There will be all sorts of different opinions, but they will run the gamut. So I really don't think you want to miss it starts on 30th of April.

[Piers Morgan]

Great. And the one thing I know about you, Katie Nicole, is you love a good royal scoops. I'm looking forward to a few of those as well.

[Katie Nicholl]

I do. You'll get get them, don't you worry.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm very excited. It's going to be a great new channel. The Royals Uncensored launches on Thursday, April 30. Best of luck to all of you and hopefully we'll get you back on my channel as well, regularly, when the stories demand it. And we'll have what they call, I think channel integration, which I'm very excited about, whatever it means. So thank you all very much and best of luck.

[Katie Nicholl]

Thank you.

[Piers Morgan]

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