Piers Morgan Uncensored – April 9, 2026

Episode Theme Overview

This intense episode takes on the turbulent fallout of the Iran War and its far-reaching geopolitical shockwaves, focusing sharply on culpability, double standards, and the narrative wars surrounding Israel, Palestine, and the U.S. role in the Middle East. The episode features a forthright interview with Palestinian Ambassador to the UK Husam Zomlot and a fiery, deeply contested Iran war debate between Dave Smith and Ben Ferguson, rounded off with an expert military perspective from former Navy SEAL and thriller author Jack Carr.

The key themes are:

• The fragility and consequences of the Iran ceasefire, and whether a cycle of escalating violence can be broken.
• Heavy criticism of Israeli policy and the U.S.’s enabling role in ongoing regional chaos.
• A no-holds-barred debate: Is the U.S. military a force for security or the “worst terrorist organization,” and is the Trump administration guilty of war-mongering and double standards?
• The shifting impact on American politics and the world order, plus the legacy for President Trump's administration.

Section 1: Interview with Husam Zomlot – On Israel, Iran, Genocide, and Double Standards

[00:00–31:07]

The Iran Ceasefire – “Rings Hollow”

• Zomlot’s somber opening: A ceasefire that “rings hollow,” warning, “No president should declare an intention that an entire civilization will die.”
  • Quote: “We are in the middle of a cycle. We are not at the end... one of the most dangerous moments of your lifetime and my lifetime.” – Zomlot [01:22]
• Piers Morgan pushes back: “It’s genocide, isn’t it?” [00:09, 02:20]

Trump’s Rhetoric & the Danger of Escalation

• Zomlot: Deeply alarmed at a world “witnessing a moment similar to the 30s... very scared, not only for myself, but for the globe and for the children.” [02:03]
• Strong rebuke of Trump: “No president should declare an intention that an entire civilization will die.” [02:11]

“History Did Not Begin on 7th of October”

• Zomlot reviews his previous warnings that Israeli retaliation post-Oct. 7 would not just target Hamas but all Palestinians, warning of “risk of genocide.” [02:39–03:53]
• Accuses Israel of carrying out broader plans, including West Bank annexation and escalating settler terrorism. [03:53–04:52]
• Quote: “I warned this will not only happen in Gaza, but also in the West Bank... and look where we are today.” – Zomlot

Root Causes vs. Consequences

• Zomlot: “Hamas or any other Palestinian group are not the cause of the conflict. They are the consequence...” [04:00]

Israeli Security Arguments Rebutted

• Morgan (Devil’s Advocate): Argues Israeli existential threat from Iranian-backed militants; asks if Israel isn’t just defending itself. [04:52–06:09]
• Zomlot: Calls on Israelis to “stop thinking your security can be bought at the price of everyone else’s insecurity.” [06:09]
• Accuses Israel’s longstanding policy of fostering chaos in the region and intentionally disintegrating neighbouring states, using both military and civilian targets. [07:17]

Israel's Expansionism and Racism

• Argues Israel is “an 80 years old cycle... [with] a racist, expansionist system. And Netanyahu is not the only problem...” [08:47]
• Quote: “If you want to normalize your relationships with neighbouring countries, you have to become normal. Define your bloody borders.” – Zomlot

Settler Violence and Apartheid Laws

• Morgan brings up hard-right Israeli leaders (Ben-Gvir, Smodrich), expansionist settler violence, and a new Knesset law enabling the death penalty for Palestinians only [09:35–11:26].
  • Morgan: “That to me on any level is just another form of apartheid...”
• Zomlot: “What they had [in South Africa] was a picnic compared to the Israeli apartheid.” [11:32]

Double Standards and Unjust Imprisonment

• Zomlot details settler attacks, mass incarceration of Palestinians, and the lack of IDF (Israeli army) enforcement against Israeli violence. [13:04–15:05]
• Morgan: “The IDF basically turns a blind eye to a lot of this stuff.” [13:51]

Palestinian Prisoners & Resistance vs. Terrorism

• Disputes the definition—violence vs. resistance—and the almost-total Israeli conviction rate for Palestinians. [15:21]
• Zomlot: “You cannot compare a Palestinian group... with a state, Israel, that has a seat [in the UN]...” [16:37]

The Iran War – “Drunk on Power”

• Zomlot calls Israel’s war on Iran a “drunken... mindset to reign supreme” and describes how U.S.-Israeli strategy backfired, painting Netanyahu as manipulating Trump into attacking Iran. [19:56]
  • Quote: “Israel wants to reign supreme on the entire region and listen to Netanyahu... Israel is that empire.”
• Praises Arab states for choosing diplomacy with Iran, contrasting Israel as “always the odd actor... always choose aggression.” [07:17]

U.S.-Israel Relations and Loss of American Support

• Morgan highlights declining American public support for Israel as “dangerous.” [22:04–24:14]
  • Morgan: “If I was an Israeli or if I was a Jew, actually... I would be really worried... 60% of Americans have a negative view of Israel. That would really concern me.”

The Real Elephant: The Palestinian Issue

• Both agree no durable peace is possible until the Palestinian issue is resolved. [26:26–26:42]
  • Zomlot: “The Palestinian question is THE question, no matter where you look.”

Conflating Critique of Israel with Antisemitism

• Both criticize the use of antisemitism accusations to silence criticism, with Zomlot insisting, “This is about occupied and occupier, colonized and colonizer...” [27:05–31:07]

Section 2: Debate – Dave Smith vs. Ben Ferguson (The “Iran Debate 2” Rematch)

[31:07–79:33]

Opening and Context

• After previous Piers Morgan debates went viral, Dave Smith returns—this time up against conservative host Ben Ferguson, who replaces Adam Sosnick.
• Morgan: “The first debate revealed that [Adam] is not that good at it, if I’m honest.” [36:31]

The “Worst Terrorist Organization” Debate

• Smith’s Controversial Claim (clip replayed):
  “The United States of America is arguably the worst terrorist organization in the world... how many innocent civilians we’ve slaughtered...”
• Morgan: “Within hours of Trump posting... that a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back.” [37:30–37:53]

Defending Trump’s Extreme Threats

• Ben Ferguson: Argues Trump’s language (threatening Iran’s destruction) is directed at regime leaders as deterrence—not a literal threat. “Do I think he’s going to do that? Of course not.” [41:13]
• Defends Trump's military record as “surgical,” says Trump's forceful language is a “red line” to force compliance (e.g., opening the Strait of Hormuz). [42:45]

Dave Smith’s Rebuttal – The Bluff (or Not) Conundrum

• Smith accuses Trump of painting himself into a corner: either he follows through on the threat (potentially mass killing), or he’s exposed as “a complete bluffer.” [43:30]
  • Smith: “If he doesn't bluff, then Donald Trump has promised to send them back to the Stone Age; that it will be the end of the civilization never to be recovered...” [43:30–45:20]

What Counts as “Victory”?

• Morgan challenges Ben: What is “victory”? If not regime change, is it just immobilizing Iran’s nuclear program? [49:21]
• Ferguson: Victory is “Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.” Regime change is a “bonus.” [49:35]
• Smith: Criticizes the shifting goalposts—“Just last summer... we obliterated their nuclear program... if we have to fight a whole new war now over that threat... then that was wrong.” [56:11–56:40]

The Logic of Pre-Emptive, “Moral” Violence

• Ferguson frames war as the safest option given Iran’s “terrorist regime;” Smith returns that collective punishment (“back to the Stone Age”) is still egregious, regardless of intention. [58:17–58:34]
• Smith: “What does it mean when you take out the electricity to a civilian population? It means babies on incubators die... the worst, most brutal level of human suffering inflicted intentionally...” [56:59]
• Ferguson: “How do you do the calculus of Iran getting a nuclear weapon... and then killing a whole lot of innocent people...?” [58:34]

Debating the History and Logic of U.S. Intervention

• Ferguson accuses Smith’s “bury your head in the sand” foreign policy of getting Americans killed—specifically referencing 9/11. [66:11]
• Smith: Cites U.S. interventions in the 1990s—sanctions, bases in Saudi Arabia, Iraq bombings—as “what provoked Bin Laden,” making 9/11 not “unprovoked” [67:44–68:25]
  • Quote: “Osama bin Laden himself listed it [sanctions, U.S. presence, support for Israel] as one of his stated grievances...” – Smith [68:04]

Personal Responsibility for American Deaths

• Ferguson: “You’re telling me Iran was not involved in the murder of those Americans?” [70:47]
• Smith: “If you had listened to people like me... our troops never would have been in Lebanon or Iraq; your loved ones would still be with you... Iran poses no threat to the United States of America—meaning the middle part of North America.” [70:52]

“Anti-American” Accusations and Debate Style

• Ferguson: “...this is why people think you hate America, or you hate Donald Trump so much that you hate America by default.” [76:44]
• Smith, frustrated by constant interruptions: “Let the people decide. This is why people think you debate in a really dishonest way.” [78:43]

Notable Exchange: Loyalty Tests and Hypotheticals

• Smith’s analogy—“Suppose Nazis took over the U.S. government... If I call them terrorists, does that mean I hate America?” [76:48]
• Ferguson sidesteps: “If you’re calling with evidence, that’s different. But not here.”

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Husam Zomlot:
  • “This is not just another form of apartheid. This is flagrant in-your-face apartheid.” [11:26]
• Piers Morgan on American attitudes:
  • “There’s now a majority of Americans... who have a negative view of Israel. That has been driven by the actions of the Israeli government.” [22:04]
• Dave Smith (about U.S. foreign policy):
  • “Wars of aggression, wars of choice, reckless wars against countries that don’t pose a threat to us... If we do have to go to war, there should be a vote in Congress.” [68:43]
• Ben Ferguson (about Iran):
  • “They’ve killed more men and women in uniform from America than any other country in my lifetime. I want that threat off the table.” [50:59]
• On Trump’s language (Morgan, Ferguson):
  • Morgan: “Would you repeat right now exactly what [Trump] said?”
  • Ferguson: “I’m not one to drop F bombs on TV...”

Section 3: Military Analysis with Jack Carr

[79:33–91:54]

Did America “Win” the War?

• Carr: “It appears we’re still in one. A ceasefire doesn’t mean that everything has stopped.” [79:52]
• Sees the ceasefire as “a pause to give breathing room,” with open questions about regime control and the durability of outcomes.

The Strait of Hormuz – The Critical Flaw

• Carr highlights the miscalculation: everyone assumed closing the Strait wouldn’t last; actually, it’s been Iran’s ace, causing global economic chaos. [82:22]
• “This seemed one that should have been at the top of our planning process...” [84:53]

Military Victory vs. Political Success

• Morgan notes all sides, even the Iranians, now claim victory; Carr concurs it’s all become “a lot messier,” with goalposts constantly changing, and a sense of unsatisfactory ambiguity from a military point of view. [86:20]

The “Acceptable Level of Violence” Problem

• Carr: “There’s an acceptable level of violence out there, both for us and the Israelis... it changes... based on the geopolitics.” [89:01]
• “It taught Iran... terrorism works, and it works even better through proxies.”
• Reflects on missed opportunities for stronger, clearer U.S. responses since 1979, suggesting today’s crisis is “a long time coming.” [89:01–91:52]

Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:00–31:07]: Husam Zomlot interview (Israel/Palestinian conflict, Iran war critique, double standards)
• [31:07–37:30]: Debate context & fallout from the previous episode
• [37:30–78:41]: Iran war, Trump’s threats, US–Iran–Israel foreign policy, “quagmire” arguments, intervention vs. restraint
• [79:33–91:54]: Jack Carr military assessment – did US win? Strategic blunders and lessons from history

Episode Tone & Dynamics

• Language & Tone: The episode is confrontational, urgent, and at times combative, with deeply personal defenses and accusations flying back and forth during the Dave Smith/Ben Ferguson debate. The interview with Husam Zomlot is sober, concise, and indicting; the Jack Carr segment is methodical and reflective.
• Memorable moments:
  • Morgan’s repeated, incisive interruptions cutting through euphemism.
  • Smith and Ferguson’s brinkmanship over semantics and historic grievances.
  • Zomlot’s impassioned historical framing—delivered in a measured, but forceful style.

Summary for Listeners

If you want a crash course in the tangled roots, explosive rhetoric, and raw wounds of Middle Eastern geopolitics—plus the fierce debate over what constitutes “terrorism” and Western complicity—this episode is a must. The heated Smith–Ferguson debate exemplifies the sharp ideological and moral divides in American discourse. Morgan, as always, keeps the pressure up, unafraid to call out double standards and hypocrisy.

Listen for:

• Searing critique of both Israeli and American policy, and the seldom-heard Palestinian perspective (*Zomlot*)
• The gloves-off, point-counterpoint between antiwar libertarians and national security hawks (*Smith vs. Ferguson*)
• Strategic and cultural lessons from past military escapades, illuminated by a seasoned SEAL (*Jack Carr*)