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Piers Morgan Uncensored
EXCLUSIVE: 'Netanyahu Is FASCIST!' + Ehud Barak Breaks Silence On Shock Epstein Claims
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Ehud Olmert
He has declared war on the state of Israel and on the people of Israel. Fascistic, chauvinistic, extremist, Ayatollah strike.
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Mohammad Randi
They're outraged, the Iranians, and they want revenge.
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Piers Morgan
We've seen crowds chanting Death to America
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Mohammad Randi
is shouldn't be taken literally. They mean death to the U.S. empire. They mean death to this oppressive regime.
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Piers Morgan
He was a convicted pedophile.
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Ehud Barak
I'm not an expert on the rules of America.
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Piers Morgan
All due respect, Mr. Brat, it's the same rule pretty much everywhere. If you sex your sexually abuse a minor, you're a pedophile.
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Ehud Barak
I told you, I regret the fact that I ever met him. The fact that the American society accepted him probably blinded me.
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Piers Morgan
Benjamin Netanyahu is one of the most consequential and divisive leaders in modern history. But the great survivor of global politics, elected six times as Israeli Prime Minister, could finally be facing the end of the road in elections later this year. He's facing difficult questions about the enormous security failures leading to October 7, as well as the failure of the Iran war he did so much to stoke. And Netanyahu could lose much more than power. He's still facing corruption charges in Israel, as well as contentious ICC arrest warrant for alleged war crimes. It's against his backdrop that he's made his latest big move. He's refusing to abide by a Supreme Court decision on a media freedom case, plunging his country into a constitutional crisis. Critics are calling it a legal coup and nothing less than an assault on democracy. Well, Ehud Olmert was the Prime Minister of Israel from 2006 to 2009 and joins me now. Mr. Omer, welcome back to Uncensored.
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Ehud Olmert
Hi.
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Piers Morgan
Benjamin Netanyahu, I believe, with the active participation of some of his ministers like Ben GVIR and Smodrij, is making Israel globally more and more unpopular. Which for somebody like me that loves Israel, knows lots of Israelis, knows many Jewish people around the world, I find this really upsetting to watch. Do you agree with my categorization and what can be done about it?
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Ehud Olmert
Well, I certainly can add to this. I think that he, he has declared war on the state of Israel and the people of Israel, on the basic fundamental values which have characterized what Israel was and the way that Israel was perceived in the international community, even at times many different parts of the world didn't agree with us, criticize Israel. But there never was such a storm of protest across the world in the friendliest places that were so much connected to the state of Israel as it is now. And this is Largely, almost entirely because of the fascistic, chauvinistic, extremist, ayatollah stripe character of the major part of the government, with a complete consent and inspiration of the Prime Minister of Israel. I know that lots of good, innocent people and Jews across the world complain about the growing wave of anti Semitism. And certainly there is anti Semitism. There was anti Semitism throughout our history, throughout our lives. We all were victims of it. But five years ago, or 15 years ago, or 20 years ago, when I was fighting at the time I was prime minister with Lebanon, there was a certain criticism, there were some voices of discontent, but there was not anything similar to what it is today. And there was anti Semitism also then, but there was not any such voice of hatred to the State of Israel. And the only reason for it is, when you look at this government, what can you say when you see this Benfield running the Israeli government and talking about the Gaza to get rid of everyone there, because everyone is Hamas and everyone who is Hamas is doomed to die. And everyone in Gaza is Hamas. And the obvious interpretation of it is that he calls for a genocide of these people and what the settlers are doing in the west bank without the Israeli police stopping it. In fact, in some cases supporting him. And the Israeli army is indifferent or sometimes actively supporting it. And this is obnoxious, totally intolerable and unacceptable and unforgivable. And it is all done under the auspices and the responsibility of the Israeli government. So what do you want people outside of Israel to think? I can't tolerate it and I'm an Israeli and I live here.
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Piers Morgan
Well, also, I think. I also think. Right. And I would say that the really disturbing development in the last few days is it appears that Netanyahu and his government are now prepared to ignore a Supreme Court ruling. And, you know, I remember in the months before October 7th, because I actually interviewed Netanyahu in London in April, I think it was of that year, when there were huge protests on the streets of Israel about his attempts to reduce power of the Supreme Court. But if now you have a government in Israel, supposedly the only democracy in the Middle East, a government that is prepared to actually ignore a Supreme Court ruling because they actually want more control of the media, then what does that say about Israel's claim to be a democracy?
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Ehud Olmert
They're actively fighting to destroy the status, the authority of the Supreme Court. Fact is that they don't even recognize the President of the Supreme Court. Not tacitly, not widely, not behind the scenes publicly, officially. The Minister of Justice says that he doesn't recognize the president of the Supreme Court because he is not certain that the selection or the appointment of the president, president of the Supreme Court was done in a proper manner, which is nonsense, of course. It was done precisely as all the former presidents of the Supreme Courts were appointed and the prime minister doesn't actively recognize him. And so this process which deteriorates towards the destruction of the Supreme Court, no compliance of the government with the ruling of the Supreme Court is moving rapidly. And we are really come. We are coming very close to fight to defend the soul of the state of Israel, the soul of the nature of Israel. When you say that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle east, the there is a question now, are we still that kind of democracy? Definitely are not that kind of democracy that we were. You can't be a democracy and do not recognize actively, publicly, in a biggest volume of your voice, the Supreme Court and consider yourself to be a democracy. We are not. So this is really the coming elections. We have some fears, by the way, that with the assistance possible assistance of the Benfield's police is the Minister of National Security, Israeli police. And the police is not what it used to be years ago. So there are some voices in Israel that are scared. I mean, they are scared and they voice it out that if the outcome of the elections will show a defeat to Netanyahu, he may not recognize it and he will not allow the enforcement of the outcome of these elections with the assistance or the lack of participation of the police in favor of this outcome. And if the Supreme Court will rule out something again, he may not agree to abide by it. So we are coming close to a very unique moment in the history of the state of Israel, and we are fighting to save our country. There is no other term that I can use.
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Piers Morgan
At the same moment, you've also seen this extraordinary situation that's been unfurling between the United States and Israel, where it would appear that from a very deep dive piece in the New York Times quite early on, that Donald Trump was persuaded by Benjamin Netanyahu that this was the best time to attack Iran. And that unlike previous US Presidents, Trump decided to go along with this and that Netanyahu presented a set of circumstances that would happen, which were you take out the ayatollah and some of his top people, the IRGC collapse from within, the people rise up. There's a natural revolution and everyone's too preoccupied to worry about the Strait of Hormuz. Now, as we know, the first part of that happened but he got replaced yo Tola, by his more radical son. Anyway, none of the rest of it's happened. This has created a lot of distrust with President Trump, who obviously feels a bit humiliated, I think, by what's happened. It's clearly been at the moment a failure. And there are people now openly calling, you know, you've seen people who have always been supportive of Israel. You know, I'm thinking of Rahm Emanuel, who's looking to perhaps run for president, talking about it's time for America to stop supporting Israel financially and so on. This feels to me like this Iran war and the way it was executed and the failings involved with it could be the beginning of the end of this relationship between the United States and Israel. Did you fear that could happen?
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Ehud Olmert
Well, I tell you, I read the same book, I think that you read the new book Regime Change, issued last week by Hage Eberman and Jonathan Swan, who wrote already before a couple books about Trump. And what they say there and what they tell there is really is mind boggling, is staggering, is stunning how unfortunately, President Trump was convinced and persuaded to join in with the Israeli attack. He didn't do it in the very first evening of the June of 95, but he subsequently joined in. And then he was convinced again in February 28th of February this year to join in with the Israeli attack. And what I asked myself then, and I said it out loud in American media on 28 February, right after the president, I happened to have been in Washington at that time, and I said, okay, I'm not unhappy when an enemy of the state of Israel was eliminated and that the president of the United States of America supports the Israeli military needs for security and he's prepared to fight against our enemies. But I wonder, was there a thought about the next step? What are they going to do? What do we want to achieve? Do we sort out a strategy of how to move forward in order to achieve something which can be tangible, which can be effective, which can make a difference in a situation. And apparently other than blah, blah and inflated rhetoric of Netanyahu and his group of thugs that surrounds him, there was not any strategy, There was not any thought. There was really a childish belief, that arrogant belief that with the first strike, which was very successful from a military point of view and considering that the objective was to really eliminate a group of leaders, including the ayatollah, it was quite successful. But again, there was nothing that was thought about, what's next? And there was this belief, the childish belief that the regime in Iran will collapse rapidly and that the courts from the east will collapse, flood into Iran and will destroy everything. I mean, it is so childish, it is so pompous, it is so irrelevant that you ask yourself, are these guys responsible for the well being of hundreds of millions of people? This is how they manage themselves. This is how they handle the most acutely the significant and sensitive things that can change the lives of so many millions of people. Unbelievable.
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Piers Morgan
It is. Omar, thank you very much indeed for joining me. I really appreciate it.
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Ehud Olmert
Thank you, Piers.
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Piers Morgan
Well, joining me now is the former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Mr. Barak, welcome back to Uncensored. How significant do you think it is that Benjamin Netanyahu's government appears to be preparing to ignore a Supreme Court ruling in Israel, thus in many people's eyes, defying its own rule of law?
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Ehud Barak
I seriously think it's a major blow, it's kind of to our democracy. It is an attack of the government on the Israeli democracy in a very dangerous manner, unprecedented. There is no way to run a model democracy based on the idea that the executive branch can impose its judgment on judicial issue over the Supreme Court. So it's a direct attack on democracy and there is no way but to block it and stop it. A government that dares to attack this way the relevance of verdicts of the Supreme Court might even ignore the results of election in Israel and you can't impose anything on it.
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Piers Morgan
Well, that is a very significant point that if it gets to the elections and Netanyahu was to lose the election, then given what he's now doing with the Supreme Court, many people fear that he will simply refuse to accept the result of that election. What happens then?
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Ehud Barak
No, I don't know. All living former chiefs of the Supreme Court issued a statement today saying that accepting this new norm will be the last nail in the coffin of Israel as a democratic advanced country. And I really think that this government under Netanyahu, even before the war of 7th of October almost three years ago, they started an attack on our democracy. They brought us to the verge of their beats and they seemed to be determined to keep moving forward. And the Chief justice, former Chief Justice Barak, not a relative of mine, told the public very honestly, we are defending democracy, but you, the people should not expect the Supreme Court or the attorney general to solve it. To you, it's up to the people to solve it. And that's very tough warning. I think that the only way is for the president of the country, who are immune against any steps to take the lead and call upon the people to step out, to go out to the streets, to establish a siege on the Knesset and the Prime Minister office, paralyze the state until this government kind of resigned. And I don't believe that the President will do it based on his behavior in the last three years. Then it comes to the heads of opposition. The heads of opposition should announce, call upon the people to stop everything that moving in the country in order to make sure that the government will understand that it has no choice but to resign. I don't believe even in free and fair election under this situation. And I don't want to dive into all alternatives that Netanyahu has to try to torpedo a fair and right kind of executed elections.
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Piers Morgan
Who is the best potential next Prime Minister of Israel? Who can repair the damage that Netanyahu and this government with people like Ben GVIR and Smodrich saying ever more outrageous things, doing ever more outrageous things. Who is going to be the person that comes through to save Israel from what is going on?
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Ehud Barak
I don't want to point to a name. I want to ask in a different way. We have five heads of opposition. Eisenhower, the former chief of staff, leading General Bennett, a former Prime Minister for about a year. Lapid, who was a Prime Minister for three months. Lieberman, who is the head of kind of a good right wing party, but against Netanyahu and Yair Golan, who runs the Democratic Party. Each one of them. And any permutation of these five people, one of them Prime Minister, one Minister of Defense, one Minister of Foreign affairs, one Minister of treasury and one Minister of Internal Security or of justice, any permutation is ten times better than the present government led by Netanyahu is totally derailed from the normative behavior of a Prime Minister. And the group of dwarfs, yes men, which are totally kind of. I know something that no, no country will, will nominate to run a bus station in major city. And these zeros in terms of political power are running the country into disaster. They include some Jewish supremacy, messianic fanatics and some others who are ultra religious, good Jews, but totally detached from realities of politics and basically blackmailing Netanyahu, who is very weak these days because of his corruption court case, because the demand to establish an inquiry committee, national inquiry committee to check what happened in the 7th of October and even before and after. And his main problem with Trump when he now loses his support and even the objective results of the war, in spite of unprecedented achievements of the idf, of our air force, our intelligence and so on. After almost three years, not a single objective of the war had been achieved. Not in Gaza against the Hamas. They are still on their feet and having their weapons. Not in the Hezbollah against Hezbollah in Lebanon. We are still alive and kicking and for sure not in Iran. There is no toppling down of the regime, no end to the nuclear military program, no end to the ballistic missile problem and no end to the proxy system. So it's not an absolute victory, it's absolute failure. And it's time for the world to realize Netanyahu and Israel are not the same. The interests of Netanyahu and security Israel are not the same. Netanyahu by now is driven by his personal interest of survivability as a prime minister in order not to face the day of reckoning when he will have to take accountability for all the damage to he costed the recent years. And he's behaving as a private individual that want to survive, not as a responsible leader of a nation in deep trouble.
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Piers Morgan
How damaging has the Iran war been, do you think, to Israel's credibility as a government, to the relationship with the United States?
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Ehud Barak
The attack, the 12 day attack last year in June 25 was in a way justifiable blow to their nuclear military plan, to their missile industry and so on. Not obliterated, not pushing them backward for generations as Netanyahu and Trump tried to exaggerate the result. But it was, let's say, give and take, it was justifiable. The new attack this February of 2628 of February 26th is a absolute failure. It was based, the whole idea was based on fantasy that by eliminating a single person or probably half a dozen of leaders, Khamenei and his entourage and some other illusions, you can topple down a regime. The idea, without admitting it publicly, was to topple down the regime. But any professional would have told you that it's not going to work. And it's not, I'm not saying it in retrospect. Many people in the room said it both here and in Washington, and Netanyahu insisted on doing it. He succeeded to convince Trump against the judgment of both JD Vance Rubio and many professionals I assume on the CIA or NSC and so on. And when it started, the fantasies kind of blown up, exaggerated and collapsed immediately. And there was misreading of how
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Piers Morgan
kind
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Ehud Barak
of stable is this regime. There is no understanding of the reason that in order to win, Israel and America has to win in a way that every teenager in the free world will see it. It means something like Venezuela to Trump and something like the six day War. For Israel, but to the Iranian, and in the same similar way to Hezbollah and Hamas, it's enough to survive. It's an asymmetric war. If they survive, they had won. If after several weeks or months of a war, they can still stand up and keep fighting, that means that they've won in their own eyes, but also in the eyes of the world community, in the eyes of the region, in the eyes of history, in a way. So that's something that should not have been missed by anyone who is serious strategist in this region. Not to mention the fact that everyone should realize in advance that the first step that they will do is to close the Hormuz Astray. There was not a single war game in any capital in the world around the issue of Iran in the last generation, where the next or second step of the Iranian side in the war game was to close the Homun Straits. The idea that it was not considered as something that will inevitably happen and will be needed to give answer to is. I don't know how to call it. A total clumsiness on the strategic level. And then the idea that the Kurds, the Kurds, will be encouraged to cross the border from Iraq to Iran and move toward Tehran, you know, it's ridiculous. There are 300 miles from the place where the Iraqi Kurds would meet the Iranian Kurds. And along these 300 miles to Tehran, there are about a million armed people who back the regime. How the hell you can even dream that it will work? And the ridiculous idea that leaders from the west, the leader of the Great Satan and the leader of the little Satan, could call upon the Iranian, Iranian people to stand up and take their destiny in their hands is also ridiculous. Try to imagine what would have happened if Khamenei, the dead one, would have come on TV and call upon Israelis to topple down Netanyahu because he tries to destroy democracy in Israel. It will unite even the protest against Netanyahu behind him. And the same happens in Iran. So you cannot explain it only by the theory of a gambler that failed and tried to double down on his gamble in order to save the case. No justification for the failure of Netanyahu. Netanyahu misses the very way that military campaigns are won. You have to have a clear objective. They should be achievable. You should have the means to execute them. You should have the political will to stand up the ups and downs of a real war. And you should have a vision of how you going to translate your achievement in the battlefield into sustainable political, diplomatic, Results. This political diplomatic leg is essential for any war. And we should. They should know both in Jerusalem, in Washington, that war, especially war that you initiate, has always to follow the rule from macro economy of diminishing returns. The first day is dramatic, everyone get happy and applauds. Then you have one or two days more when you can deepen the damage. Then comes the time of diminishing returns. And later on you find yourself muddling through and sinking into the mud of a war. America had it in Vietnam, they had it in Iraq, they had it in Afghanistan. We had it a generation ago or two generations ago in. In the attrition war with Egypt and Syria. That's the rules and they should have been clear. No way to explain it. It's a major failure. And in Israel at least the prime minister and his government should be accountable and be removed from power, even independent of the attempt to destroy democracy which started, they should admit, before the war. So it much more crazy than I thought. You cannot just relate it to the fact that there is a war. And as a result of the dire straits they got into, they raised this idea of dictatorship. They had it when they started the government nine months before the war started.
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Piers Morgan
Yeah. I would say that since you last appeared on my show, your name appeared many times in the Epstein files, including regular correspondence, multiple visits to Epstein's Manhattan apartment, one to his private island. And your critics have said you must have known what he was like and what he was doing. What do you say to your critics
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Ehud Barak
that it's not true? You know, I knew him. I never denied and I knew him for years, since 2003. And I met when I used to visit the United States several times a year. I used to meet with him, usually for a breakfast or lunch. I met American leading figures from politics, both sides of the aisle, from the academy, from diplomacy, from business, from philanthropy, leading players. I never witnessed or had been exposed to any kind of improper behavior. Not with young women and not with any other situation. And it's true that I spent some time when I came to New York, some time in a building where he had dozen or two dozens of apartments. And I never saw anything of this nature. I visited his island one time together with my wife, an Israeli detailed security detail. We spent there three hours in certain afternoon. There was no one there except for Epshen himself and several locals who. Who were working in gardening and maintenance. So of course I regret the fact that I ever had met him and would be happy if I would have been feeling anything. In fact, I knew that he was in prison for about a year in open prison in Florida for tempting a girl, for relationships, something like this. But I judged him. Based on what I've said, the American society judged him. I kept meeting more scientists, leading politicians, even journalists, respected people.
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Piers Morgan
But he was, as you know. Okay, but he was, as you know, he was a convicted sex offender. I mean, he perpetrated a sex crime against a minor, and everybody knew that. And the question that people have for people like you who continue to be so friendly with him is why would you choose to be friendly with somebody who was a convicted sex offender?
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Ehud Barak
You know, I am not an expert on the rules and norms in America, but from what have I seen the kind of people that were meeting in his place and meeting with him very regularly. I was only four or five times a year in America. And the people I met there left for me no doubt that the American society, even the upper kind of privileged layers of it, stratas of it, understood that he made certain crimes, he served some time in an open prison, he paid his duty, whatever to society. And the American society, as a matter of fact, kept treating him in what seems to be the same way. So I have any right.
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Piers Morgan
But he was, I mean, he was a convicted pedophile. He was a convicted pedophile.
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Ehud Barak
He was. I, you know, once again, I'm not an expert on the rules of America. Well, I think it's a pretty people having a crime.
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Piers Morgan
All due respect, Mr. Brack, it's the same rule pretty much everywhere. If you sexually abuse a minor, you're a pedophile. I mean, he pleaded guilty to state charges in Florida for soliciting a child for prostitution. That's what he was found guilty of.
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Ehud Barak
I told you, Piers, I told you. I regret the fact that I ever met him. I did not see any significant difference in the way that Americans, leading politicians, heads of universities, kind of a retiring diplomat, leading philanthropist, and businessmen where I would see them. And the fact that the American society accepted him probably blinded me to understand that something more kind of serious behind it. I learned about the width and the depths of his activities only when in 2019, it became a second round of the same kind of. The whole story came to another scrutiny of the judicial system in America. Before then, I did not understand it as something that America is rejecting.
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Piers Morgan
Just finally on this, because people have asked the question. In 2020, the Miami Herald reported that your name appeared in court documents in the defamation case between Virginia Giuffre and Alan Dershowitz. It alleged that Giuffre claimed she was trafficked to several men, including yourself. You were named, too. She later dropped the lawsuit and said she may have made a mistake when she accused Dershowitz of abuse. You've always denied all allegations of impropriety and misconduct. Do you continue to maintain that denial?
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Ehud Barak
I'm not sure that I understand the end of the question.
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Piers Morgan
Well, simply that Virginia Giuffre made these allegations. She then dropped the allegations against Dershowitz. But the fact you were named in that court document in that case was obviously embarrassing for you. How do you feel about that?
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Ehud Barak
Look, first of all, technically, Ms. Giuffre could never meet me. I was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein by no other than Shimon Peres in some social event in Washington, D.C. only in May 2003, and I did not meet Epstein in person until November of 2003. By the end of 2002, Mrs. Giuffre was already in Australia, married and totally disconnected from Epstein, according to her own testimony, to her own book, and to the Netflix series that I've seen, of course, only much many years later. And so, technically, she could not have ever met me. And beyond that, I should tell you that she never, never mentioned my name in any document known to me. Not in her book and not in any other place. In her book, she described me as a former Defence minister who was one of the people around Jeffrey Epstein. She mentioned that had been tortured and attacked by a former prime minister, that she never gave his name and technically could not have been me under any way. So, you know, my name basically was raised by. By Ellen Dershowitz at certain point, not by her. There is not a single document of the court or a single document kind of issued by her when she said Ehud Barak had sexual relations with me, tortured me, or even met me.
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Piers Morgan
So just to be clear, because you've raised it, when she talked about being raped by an unnamed prime minister, as you know, it led to a feeding frenzy of rumors and conspiracies about who that prime minister might be. You've been emphatic in this interview that you don't believe you ever met Virginia Frey. And that unnamed prime minister is not you. Do you know who she was talking about?
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Ehud Barak
I don't know. Of course I don't know. And I don't know how it's created. And watching you, I can tell you for sure, I never met her. I could not have met her when I first was introduced to Epstein, and about a year before I ever met him, she was already married in Australia. So it's probably she was having some thought, probably she have something, you know, to the best of my knowledge, somehow a kind of a deal. I don't know what kind of deal had been established between her and Dershowitz. I don't know. I don't. I cannot follow all these details, but it's clear. I even got, you know, my lawyers asked Dershowitz, and Dershowitz kind of verified for them in writing that he does not know of any claim of any document that claim that I had any improper behavior with this Lady Giuffre or any other victim of Epstein.
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Piers Morgan
Mr. Bright, I appreciate you coming back on Censored. Thank you very much.
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Ehud Barak
Thank you.
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Piers Morgan
Well, joining me now is Mohammad Randi, professor at Tehran University. Mr. Randy, welcome back to Uncensored.
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Mohammad Randi
Thank you very much for having me.
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Piers Morgan
Hundreds of thousands of people have taken to the streets in Tehran for the 10 kilometer funeral procession for Iran's former supreme leader, the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. What does that say to you about support for the regime?
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Mohammad Randi
Well, it wasn't hundreds of thousands. It was in the millions, and it was much longer than 10 kilometers. And Western journalists were here to see it. And you can see it through satellite imagery, so it's much, much larger than that. And it reminds me of once when I came on your show and I gave footage to your producer and you showed it, and you brought this woman who claimed to be Iranian, who also said she will when she's finished with me, though the biggest part of my body will be the tip of my pinky, my little finger. She said it was AI and this was fake, you recall. And so, well, here it is. Here's the footage people can watch. And apparently, we are all AI Again. You, of course, after threatening me, was on your show repeatedly, from what I hear. But the fact is, Pierce, that the legitimacy of the Islamic Republic of Iran, or the regime, as you call it, is very high. And it shows that the Iranian people are extraordinarily angered by the fact that The United States and this ethno supremacist regime whose former prime minister just had on, who didn't say a word about the genocide in Gaza or Lebanon. His criticisms of Netanyahu was that he failed. But the fact is that they're outraged, the Iranians, and they want revenge. And we saw that on the streets, and so did many, many journalists. And if you had accepted my offer to visit Iran, you would have seen it for yourself.
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Piers Morgan
The curious aspect to the funeral scenes is that a huge number of the Ayatollah's family were there, including three sons, but not the son who's replaced him or been named as his successor, Mojtaba, who is believed to be the new supreme leader. He's not been seen or heard since the war began. And since it was reported that he has become the new supreme leader, it does prompt the question, where is he and when can we expect to hear from him?
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Mohammad Randi
Well, he's not, presumably the leader. He is the leader. And of course, when the United States bombs a country, slaughters its leaders and bombs schools and slaughter school children, and the Americans, the Israelis, the Israeli regime in the west and the collective west supports it. And the Chancellor of Germany would say that Israel does our dirty work for us. That means that there are no rules anymore. The west has created the law of the jungle. And so we have to protect people in this country. People. The leader. The country has to protect its leader. The leader has to protect its citizen, the citizens of the country, the scientists and so on. So, obviously, until the situation normalizes, he is going to have to be very well protected, because if Trump could, how do we know he wouldn't try to assassinate him? If Netanyahu could, I'm sure he would try to assassinate him.
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Piers Morgan
But that explains why we may not have seen him, but it doesn't explain why there's been no audio yet. Why would. Why would any of this prevent him from issuing some statement where you can hear his voice and hear him talk about current events which would make it clear he's still alive? Many people think that there is a possibility he's not alive.
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Mohammad Randi
Well, why would we have him as our leader if he's not alive? We'll choose a leader who is alive and people have met him. The president, after once meeting him for two and a half hours, gave a long report on their meeting. So, no, he's alive and well and he's running the country. But with the new tech, I'm just guessing, but with the new technologies and the capabilities, perhaps a feel that it is best not to give any sort of information that could be used by the United States or the Israeli regime, which are one and the same in many respects, to attack him.
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Piers Morgan
We've seen crowds chanting Death to America and death to Israel, as well as waving signs with threats against Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu. Do you endorse those chants and signs, or do you condemn them?
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Mohammad Randi
Death to America and Iran. And I may have said this on your show before, is shouldn't be taken literally. It's like saying Yankee, go home doesn't mean that anyone who carries a US Passport should leave the country. When they say death to America, they mean death to the US Empire and they mean death to this oppressive regime which slaughters our children. So I think it's understandable if what the United States had done to Iran was carried out by Iran against the United States, slaughtering the leaders and slaughtering people and school children, I think the United States would have done more than chance death to Iran. They would have probably used a nuclear weapon. So I think words shouldn't hurt the American government so much. When you see all the dead children in Gaza and in Lebanon and the massacres and the genocide and the dead children in Iran, I think it becomes understandable when people say death to America. Just like, I mean, in your case, you invited this woman on your show who said, when they're finished with me, she said, with me, the biggest part of my body will be my little finger. And you invited her on multiple times afterwards. So I guess you don't have a problem with that.
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Piers Morgan
I have a problem with anyone making threats against anyone.
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Mohammad Randi
Well, if I, if I, if it was my show, I wouldn't have invited such a person again.
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Piers Morgan
Well, people say that, People say that. People say that a lot about me inviting you on.
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Mohammad Randi
I never said I'm going to cut up to cut your body into beers.
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Piers Morgan
No, but you've given a rather torturous justification of chance of death to America and death to Israel, which most people aren't buying.
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Mohammad Randi
Well, yeah, well, if, you know, if chemical weapons were used against your country with the endorsement of the United States, if a couple of hundred thousand. If an airliner was shot down by. You were in a country whose airline. An airline was shot down by the United States. If you were living in a country which was under maximum pressure, sanctions which prevent food and medicine from getting into the country, if you were in the country where the United States has waged three wars against it, they encouraged Saddam Hussein to invade last year, they attacked and this Year attacked. I think you would understand how people in Iran would feel about the United States government.
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Piers Morgan
And you've carefully glossed over, of course, the fact that this Iranian regime has sponsored terrorism all over the Middle east, including funding and arming the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas. Does that not enter your thought process when you analyze this situation?
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Mohammad Randi
The only terrorist regime in our region is the Israeli regime, the one that you refused three times already when I asked you, do you accept the legitimacy of an ethno supremacist regime? And you refuse to answer that is the only terrorist regime. They've carried out genocide in Gaza. They carried out genocidal attacks in Lebanon. Just yesterday, they murdered a school, a principal of a school, her husband and their maid. And every day in Gaza, they're killing multiple people every single day. Children, men, women.
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Piers Morgan
Well, your regime spent. Your regime spent the first part of the year murdering thousands of protesters on the streets of your country.
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Mohammad Randi
No, I think you know the truth by now. We've already seen admissions. We've already seen admissions by the Israeli regime, Channel 14, of Israel saying that they brought in the weapons that were used to kill hundreds of Iranian police officers. We know that the US Secretary of Treasury said I manipulated the Iranian currency to bring people to the streets. And then channel 14 said they gave the weapons to kill people. We saw Trump admit that he sent weapons for Iran. We saw Pompeo admit that Mossad is on the ground in Tehran during the riots. And we also saw how the Israeli Mossad in their Persian language media said that we are on the ground. We are with you in Iran, too.
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Piers Morgan
It must be found out.
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Mohammad Randi
There aren't.
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Piers Morgan
Professor Murray. It must be. It must be so frustrating. It must be so frustrating, if I may say so, it must be so frustrating for you to see your perfect regime be so unfairly maligned by everybody that they would think that actually if only we knew just how blameless and perfect and idyllic life is in Iran under your regime. But maybe, as you say, maybe I'll have to come there and see it
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Mohammad Randi
for myself, I think.
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Ehud Barak
Oh, that.
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Mohammad Randi
That would be an interesting idea. But I think that you know quite well that the victim is Iran. The victim is Palestine. The victim is Lebanon. The victims are the people of this region.
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Piers Morgan
Well, the best way I definitely would categorize. I would definitely categorize, there are definitely people in Iran, Iranians, who are victims of your regime.
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Mohammad Randi
We saw them on the streets, didn't we? Because we saw them on the streets today and yesterday and the day before. We saw them.
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Piers Morgan
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