“Heading To WORLD WAR 3!” Israel & US 'Armageddon' in Iran | Feat. Jeffrey Sachs

Summary

Podcast Summary: “Heading To WORLD WAR 3!” Israel & US 'Armageddon' in Iran

Piers Morgan Uncensored | March 10, 2026 | Feat. Jeffrey Sachs

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Main Theme / Episode Overview

This urgent and highly-charged episode addresses the conflict escalating between Israel, the United States, and Iran—framing it as a potentially world-altering crisis. Piers Morgan brings together a contentious and diverse lineup—Jeffrey Sachs, Danny Danon, Daniel Levy, Doron Spielman, Scott Horton, and Dr. Fouad Izadi—to debate the rationales, moral justifications, histories, and realistic outcomes of what some are calling the start of World War III. The discussion covers military actions in Tehran, the economic and humanitarian fallout, shifting global alliances, propaganda narratives, and the profound uncertainty of where this war is heading.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The Current State of War: Motives, Atrocities, and Global Impact

[03:02 - 13:45] Jeffrey Sachs with Piers Morgan

• Jeffrey Sachs’ Scathing Overview:
  • Sachs calls the current bombing campaign on Tehran a "war of choice" led by the US and Israel, resulting in thousands of civilian deaths and catastrophic economic consequences due to the collapse of oil supplies.
    • “Israel and the United States are carpet bombing Tehran and... there is lots of death, schoolgirls being killed, a bloodbath underway.” — Sachs [03:02]
  • Sachs insists that the Israel-US alliance is equally orchestrating the conflict, “creating havoc for the world.” He references Netanyahu’s own admission that this fulfills a “dream of 40 years.” [00:00, 03:31]
  • He frames the partnership as one motivated by both US global ambitions and Israel’s regional dominance.
  • Sachs interprets the attack as suicidal for Israel, pointing out a dramatic shift in US public opinion toward greater sympathy for Palestine. [06:14]
  • Warns of global economic collapse, “the world is going into a profound economic crisis... Israel’s choice.” [06:14]
  • Sachs sees apocalyptic (“Armageddon”) narratives gaining ground in US militarism, seriously escalating the situation:
    • “We’re heading to World War Three, and we’re being led by extraordinarily violent governments in Israel and The United States.” — Sachs [13:02]

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2. Israeli View: Justifying the Offensive and Claiming a Moral Mandate

[13:51 - 22:26] Ambassador Danny Danon with Piers Morgan

• Danny Danon’s Defense:
  • Rebuts Sachs, asserting Iran is the aggressor, spreading “radical ideology,” and that Israel is acting preemptively for survival, not for conquest or resources.
    • “Iran is the one who is spreading this radical ideology... when you stick with Israelis, we love the Iranian people.” — Danon [14:16]
  • Admits regret at civilian casualties but claims Iranian people are “grateful” for the intervention, seeing it as “unchaining” after decades of oppression. [16:18]
  • When pressed on reports of 170 schoolgirls killed, says it is under investigation, deflects blame, and highlights Iran’s own attacks on civilians in the Gulf:
    • “We regret the loss of life of any civilian... but we target military infrastructure.” — Danon [17:28]
  • Foresees a “weakened regime” even if not fully overthrown, and addresses the Iranian people directly in Farsi, urging them to rise. [21:01]

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3. Panel Clash: Who’s to Blame, What’s the Real Strategy, and Where Is This Heading?

[22:29 - 52:34] Panel: Doron Spielman, Daniel Levy, Scott Horton, with Piers Morgan

Scott Horton (Author, “Provoked”)

• Stresses that this is "Israel's problem, not ours," regarding America’s involvement.
  • “This has nothing to do with America. This is Israel’s problem.” — Horton [24:00, 43:40]
• Points to a pattern of failed US interventions, arguing America alternately empowers and fights Iran—and now, because of “Israeli opposition to Iran, the US is again dragged in for Israel's interests.”
• Describes the US/Israeli approach as potentially aiming for “civil war, chaos, and destruction” in Iran rather than regime change. [24:00-26:27]
• Highlights blowback terrorism (even referencing a supposed attack in his home city as direct blowback from the conflict). [49:12]

Doron Spielman (Former IDF Spokesman)

• Firmly rejects claims of warmongering, insists Israel is responding after years of attacks from Iranian proxies (Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas). [27:20]
  • “It's as if Israel woke up one morning and said, ‘we've got a great idea, let's fly 2,000 kilometers and attack a country that has 95 million people...’” — Spielman [27:20]
• Likens Israel and America’s leadership to Churchill and Roosevelt confronting evil in WWII, seeing a fight for survival and a justified preemptive defense. [29:40]
• Argues the US has “courage” in supporting Israel, opposing a “terror cancer.” [31:00]
• Claims Iranian regime is committed to nuclear armament and domination; says “if we do not defeat Iran now… we will be back in the same spot with a nuclear regime.” [50:37]

Daniel Levy (ex-negotiator, US Middle East Peace Project)

• Struggles with the rhetoric of “evil,” drawing a line between legitimate security concerns versus maximalist regional domination.
  • “October 7th was a crime. But what about the decades in which Palestinians lived under a brutal occupation, a regime of structural apartheid?” — Levy [32:53]
• Accuses Israel of seeking regime collapse and chaos—not security or peace.
• Warns that the US lacks any clear or competent strategy, likening its role now to incoherent “rank, incompetence.” [36:38]
• Cautions that a lack of public support and dire economic consequences may undermine American political endurance. [37:13]
• Argues that military action is no solution; Israel’s occupation strain is corrosive and sustains instability. Recommends “other options”—diplomacy, restraint. [41:51, 43:45]
• Warns Israel of tanking US public opinion and risking its core alliance:
  • “What are you doing to an Israeli image in America which has already tanked during the relentless assault on Gaza?” — Levy [52:42]

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4. Iranian Perspective—On the Ground in Tehran

[54:19 - 62:49] Dr. Fouad Izadi (Professor at Tehran University)

• Describes harrowing conditions: over 1,400 civilian deaths, including many schoolgirls, after recent bombings. Denounces the campaign as targeting civilians.
  • “They are bombing and killing little Iranian girls and raping little American girls.” — Izadi [54:19]
• Argues Western attacks have “unified Iranians” behind their new leader, with a “rally around the flag” effect, not weakening the regime as intended. [54:54]
• On Iran’s attacks on Gulf neighbors: frames them as legitimate retaliation against US military bases—not against the Gulf states themselves, but an unavoidable consequence as US troops are stationed there. [56:36]
• Dismisses accusations of nuclear ambitions, saying US intelligence assessments found no weapon program; blames Trump and Netanyahu for dismissing diplomatic options that could have prevented war. [60:06]
• Paints Iranian proxies (Hezbollah, Houthis, etc.) as “freedom fighters” resisting occupation and acting as deterrents. [60:06]
  • “You cannot bomb people and expect them to like you. People are not going to be foot soldiers of Trump and Natanihood.” — Izadi [54:54]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Jeffrey Sachs

• “Benjamin Netanyahu told us in a tweet last week, this fulfills a dream of 40 years. This is a joint Israel, US madness, creating havoc for the world.” [00:00]
• “This is a calamity. This was a war of choice... led by megalomaniacs, creating havoc for the world completely unnecessarily.” [03:02]
• “We’re hearing lots of reports about this being preached in the military. The worse it gets, the closer we are to the second coming of Jesus Christ... This is Armageddon coming.” [09:22]
• “We’re heading to World War Three, and we’re being led by extraordinarily violent governments in Israel and the United States.” [13:02]

Danny Danon

• “With all due respect to this so called professor, Iran is the aggressor. Iran is the one who is spreading this radical ideology.” [00:12 / 14:16]
• “The Iranian people ...cannot say it out loud, but when they look up in the sky and see the Israeli aircraft... they are grateful. They have been waiting for those moments for 47 years.” [16:18]
• “We regret the loss of life of any civilian... but we target military infrastructure. Iran, they are doing exactly the opposite.” [17:28]

Daniel Levy

• “I’m struggling right now over this definition of evil. What about the decades in which Palestinians lived under a brutal regime of structural apartheid?” [21:00 / 32:53]
• “A very glib, unfact based, fantastical position from an Israeli spokesperson... Israel is playing with fire.” [52:42]

Doron Spielman

• “It’s simply your vision is history. Over the last two and a half years, Israelis have been living in shelters, attacked over our peaceful border and it all leads back to Iran.” [27:20]
• “They [Netanyahu and Trump] will go down in history like Churchill and Roosevelt, who were the first ones to confront the evil that spread throughout Germany and saved the West.” [29:40]

Scott Horton

• “This has nothing to do with America. This is Israel's problem... Israel’s not a state in the union. We have no treaty alliance.” [24:00/43:40]
• “We already on the first day had a blowback terrorist attack from Israel’s war in my hometown of Austin, Texas.” [49:12]

Dr. Fouad Izadi

• “Netanyahu asked Iranians on the first day of war to come to the streets in millions and they are every night shouting against him and Trump. He has managed to unify Iranians.” [54:54]
• “...last time I was on your show, we went to this. Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. They were formed after Lebanon was occupied by Israel. Defending your territory... is allowed under international law.” [60:06]

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Segment Timestamps

• Opening Statements & Scene-Setting: [00:00 - 03:00]
• Jeffrey Sachs’ Analysis & UN Confrontation: [03:02 - 13:45]
• Interview w/ Danny Danon (Israeli UN Ambassador): [13:51 - 22:26]
• Extended Panel Clash (Spielman, Levy, Horton): [22:29 - 52:34]
  • Spielman, Horton, Levy each highlight their opposing views on both the war’s justification and its likely outcomes.
• Dr. Fouad Izadi from Tehran: [54:19 - 62:49]

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Overall Tone & Takeaway

• The tone is intense and often adversarial, with frequent interruptions and open accusations among guests.
• There is no clear consensus, but deeply entrenched, opposing narratives on both causes and justifications for the war.
• The episode paints a picture of moral certitude, historical grievances, and a looming sense of unpredictability—“anyone who says with any confidence they know how this is going to play out is living in cloud cuckoo land.” — Piers Morgan [53:24]
• Underneath the arguments runs a current of deep pessimism: loss of life, economic disaster, and the risk of irreversible escalation.

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For Listeners New to the Show / Episode:

This is a must-listen for grasping the narrative trenches around the Iran-Israel-US war. The guests represent ideal-typical versions of the competing positions, from Sachs’ apocalyptic warnings to Danon and Spielman’s existential defense of Israel, from Levy’s call for accountability and restraint, to Horton’s anti-intervention Americanism and Izadi’s ground-level Iranian defiance. The show offers no easy answers—a reflection of the crisis itself.

Transcript

[Jeffrey Sachs]

Benjamin Netanyahu told us in a tweet last week, this fulfills a dream of 40 years. This is a joint Israel, US madness, creating havoc for the world.

[Danny Danon]

With all due respect to this so called professor, Iran is the aggressor. Iran is the one who is spreading this radical ideology.

[Daniel Levy]

I'm struggling right now over this definition of evil. What about the decades in which Palestinians lived under a brutal regime of structural apartheid?

[Doron Spielman]

It's simply your vision is history. Over the last two and a half years, Israelis have been living in shelters, attacked over our peaceful border and it all leads back to Iraq.

[Scott Horton]

This has nothing to do with America. This is Israel's problem. Yeah, you wiped that smile off your face real quick there, Mr. Israeli spokesman.

[Piers Morgan]

The new Ayatollah shares not only a name and a bloodline with his assassinated father, but also many of his hardline views. America and Israel are sworn enemies. Dissent and protest must be crushed. Weakness and chaos in the region makes its neighbors easier to control. It's therefore no surprise under current circumstances that Israel says it will kill the new Ayatollah and the one after that. None of this brings us anywhere closer to any of the steady justifications for going to war. In fact, it's the opposite. And many people are still struggling to answer the two prerequisite questions. Why is the US at war and why does it have to be now? Last week, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, and many others said it had to be now because Israel was going to do it anyway. The so called imminent threat was actually the threat of a retaliation to Israeli aggression. Unsurprisingly, they hurriedly walked that back. But this narrative that the Israeli tail wagged the American dog is not going away. The Wall Street Journal reports that Senator Lindsey Graham flew several times to Israel in order to coach Netanyahu on how to persuade President Trump to join the war. And Antony Blinken, the former Secretary of State, said they've seen this playbook before.

[Unnamed Narrator/Reporter]

This has been a long story when it comes to Iran. And back during the Obama administration, the Israelis were pushing President Obama to take military action against Iran and were warning that they would do it themselves if he didn't. And he wouldn't, because he thought the better way to get at the nuclear program, which is what we were focused on, was through very muscular diplomacy, backed up by very, very strong sanctions that we rallied the world to put in place. And then we got the Iran nuclear agreement.

[Piers Morgan]

An esteemed panel is standing by and in a moment we'll hear from UN Ambassador Danny Danon, one of Israel's most senior diplomats who lives and works in New York. We will begin with Professor Jeffrey Sachs, the senior advisor to United nations, who joins me now. Professor Sachs, always great to have you on uncensored, but particularly after the last week or so. Just first of all, your overview about this war, which nobody wants to call a war, and where we are nine, ten days into it, it's a war

[Jeffrey Sachs]

and thousands are being killed. Israel and the United States are carpet bombing Tehran and there is lots of death, schoolgirls being killed, a bloodbath underway. At the same time, the world economy is about to go into one of the biggest crises in the modern period, driven by the complete collapse of oil supplies coming from this region, a predictable consequence of the Israeli US aggression. So this is a calamity. This was a war of choice. Benjamin Netanyahu told us in a tweet last week. This fulfills a dream of 40 years. This is a war not caused only by Israel. This is a joint Israel US madness. The US wants to rule the world and Israel wants to rule its region, the Middle east, and they partner together. So it's not really right to say that Israel determined this or the US determined this. This is a partnership. It was interesting that you had Tony Blinken on just a moment ago. He partnered in the genocide in Gaza. It was the same with his administration. US Israel, partnership that goes back decades. It has created a disaster around the Middle east, absolute disaster from Libya to Iran, with many countries desolate and destroyed in between. And it now will create a disaster for the whole world. I know you're going to have Ambassador Danny Dunn on after me. He represents, in my view, a government that is doing more damage to the world and to humanity than any other government. He doesn't like my saying that, but that is actually the point. Together with his partner, the United States, both of them are rogue nations led by megalomaniacs, creating havoc for the world completely unnecessarily.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, you actually confronted Danny Danon at the un. Let's take a look.

[Jeffrey Sachs]

Those are your two ideas. Very clever. You can join a suicide. Suicide, you're welcome. No, it's suicide, you're welcome. Destroying Hamas.

[Danny Danon]

You can fly there if you want.

[Piers Morgan]

Yes, it was an extraordinary encounter. What were you actually saying to him?

[Jeffrey Sachs]

I was saying that Israel is committing suicide because it is destroying any remnant of sympathy or empathy in the United States and all over the world. So I said that that suicide was tragic. We have polls appears that show that for decades US sympathy ran 60 to 70% for Israel. 15% for Palestine. Now they run 41% for Palestine, 36% for Israel. In other words, the American public is on the side of Palestine and that's going to grow dramatically. What's going to happen? Whether Mr. Danon or his colleagues like it or not, the world is going into a profound economic crisis in the coming weeks and months, and this is Israel's choice. Israel set this off together with the United States. The world will pay a fearsome price for this delusion and people will know where this came from. It's very, very sad. Very sad. It's suicidal for Israel.

[Piers Morgan]

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[Jeffrey Sachs]

Look, I'm not able to answer any definitive military judgment, but the people who are opining on this around the world believe that that is not the case, that Iran has held together and will continue to hold together, has vast arsenals of missiles and drones and we'll see because this war is not ending in the next few days and Israeli generals themselves have said publicly this could go on into the fall and the American public is being prepared for A long war. So even the progenitors of this war are not claiming that this is about to be won. I don't hear that from anybody. I don't see it in the markets either, in the soaring oil prices. I don't see it in the behavior of the energy producers, suppliers and shippers. I don't see it in the shutdown of production in Qatar and its gas and Iraq and its oil and the destruction of oil fields. I see a calamity building and a lot of blood flowing. It's a kind of mass murder of civilians by Israel and the United States. This is shocking, Actually, we should keep it in mind. This is not targeted bombing. This is carpet bombing Tehran. And I've been speaking on the phone with absolutely desperate people in Tehran in the last 48 hours, and it's carpet bombing, and they're killing indiscriminately. So this is a disaster that is not likely to go away. No one's claiming in Israel or the US that it's likely to go away. And the consequences for the world will be utterly awful. And here's. We have a lot of Americans, we have a very particular society. We have a lot of Americans who are saying, move on. This is Armageddon coming. This is. This is the promised end of the world. We are hearing lots of reports about this being preached in the military. We. We're seeing a lot of people who believe that the worse it gets, the closer we are to the second coming of Jesus Christ. And that's. That's a motivating factor in the United States, I have to tell you. It's a significant part of Mr. Trump's base. And so bad news is not necessarily deterrence. It may just mean escalation to Armageddon. It's. It is a grim situation that we're in. We've not seen anything like it, actually, since World War II. This is even beyond the Iraq war. They then had, I won't say the dignity, but they then had the impulse to hide the motivations. Here there is no impulse to hide the motivations. It's just complete kill anybody and kill everybody and overturn this society of 100 million people and a ancient society of 5,000 years. So it's. It's dreadful.

[Piers Morgan]

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, I've interviewed you many times. I don't think I've ever heard you speaking with such raw emotion. But I appreciate we're heading.

[Jeffrey Sachs]

We're heading to World War Three, and we're being led by extraordinarily violent governments in Israel and The United States. And you'll hear a great defense in a moment by a skilled Israeli diplomat. But what they are doing to the world is absolutely unforgivable and it will be recognized as such. And it's a tragedy. That's why I didn't use the word homicide when I talked to Mr. Dan, and I used the word suicide. Because what Israel is doing is committing suicide.

[Piers Morgan]

Jeffrey Sachs, thank you very much indeed. I appreciate you coming uncensored again.

[Jeffrey Sachs]

Good to be with you. Thank you.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, joining me now is Israel's Ambassador to the UN Danny Danon. Danny, welcome back to Uncensored. You heard Jeffrey Sachs there, obviously you heard him in person in the UN when he confronted you, very emotional, very angry, talks about what you have embarked on here with this war in Iran as a suicide mission that will trigger World War three. What is your response to him?

[Danny Danon]

You know, there's so many lies, so many hate. You know, he's driven by an agenda, you know, to go against Israel no matter what. You know, we saw it during the war we had with Hamas and now with Iran, but no connection to reality, you know, either professor is teaching economics, so I hope he knows economics better than he knows geopolitics because let's go for the basic facts. Why we are now in a war with Iran, why we have this operation. Not because it is like a conflict between the American people or the Iranian people, not because we have a dispute over borders or over resources. Basically the cause of the conflict in the radical regime. They decided they don't like the US and they don't like Israel without us saying anything or doing anything. And they took it to the next step, building the capabilities to actually destroy us. And we decided enough is enough. We are not going to wait for them to achieve the ability to destroy us. So with all due respect to this so called professor, you know, we have facts. And the facts are that Iran is an aggressor. Iran is the one who is spreading this radical ideology. You know, when you stick with Israelis, we love the Iranian people. We have good memories from the day we actually used to go and visit Tehran before the revolution. You know, we admire the wisdom of the Iranian people. But once the revolution happened and all of a sudden Iran became a work state and they promote the radical ideas of the Ayatollahs. That's why we are where we are.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, I mean, you say you love the Iranian people. The cold, hard reality on the ground is that more Iranian civilians have now been killed in the last eight, nine days of this war than Hamas killed on October 7, according to the official figures. That doesn't sit very easily with your love of Iranian civilians.

[Danny Danon]

I beg to differ with you. I think the Iranian people, they cannot say it out loud, but when they look up in the sky and they see the Israeli aircraft and the US Air Force, they are grateful. They have been waiting for those moments for 47 years. They were oppressed. And today we come to unchain them, to give them the tools to rise up. Yes, it's going to be painful. Also, it's painful for us in Israel. It's painful for the Gulf countries. You know, Iran, they are attacking more Arab countries in 10 days than Israel did in 77 years. So it's not easy for anyone today around the world. But that's a price we have to pay in order to make this place a better, safer place.

[Piers Morgan]

It's been reported that up to 170 schoolgirls were killed in an airstrike on a school that was next to an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps base. We still don't appear to know for certain who caused that strike. Can you give any clarity on that? It's been a week now, so we

[Danny Danon]

are looking into that incident. I don't think it was our involvement. We regret the loss of life of any civilian. It doesn't matter who is behind it, whether it was the ILGC or someone else. But we regret the loss of live civilians and we target military infrastructure. When I say we, it's Israel and the us, Iran, they're doing exactly the opposite. You know, and I saw the interviews of Iranian officials and they are saying we are not targeting civilians, only military targets in the Gulf. They are lying. Look at the airports in Dubai, in Abu Dhabi. Look what's happening in Tel Aviv for the last 10 days. They are targeting only civilian targets. So there's a huge difference about the intentions. But, you know, we regret the loss of life. I just finished now an event at the UN where I hosted brave women from Iran who came to share with my colleagues about their experiences with this regime. One of them, a very brave young woman, lost her eye in a demonstration. The other was not allowed to come back into Iran. So we know that the people of Iran, they pay a heavy price. And I believe that soon they will be able to take the future in their own end.

[Piers Morgan]

You must know, Ambassador, now, whether it was an Israeli plane that fired the missile into that girls school, albeit it may have done so unintentionally. It may have been aiming for the base. I don't want to prejudge what may have happened there. But you must know as a country whether it was one of your planes that did that or not. So can you rule out that it was an Israeli plane?

[Danny Danon]

No. First, I have to tell you that from my experience in Gaza, and I think we spoke about it in the past, there were incidents that Hamas or the Islamic Jihad launched rockets into Israel and they fell in Gaza. And there was an incident, a very tragic incident in a hospital. It took few hours for everybody to realize it wasn't us. It was actually a rocket that flew from Gaza and fell in Gaza. So we don't know the details. From the information I have, I don't think that our air force was involved in that incident. I know it's being investigated both by the IDF and also by the US Airport.

[Piers Morgan]

People are looking at what's happening in this war and they're seeing a regime which remains intact. They're seeing the Ayatollah that was killed replaced by his younger son, also a Khomeini. They're seeing the Islamic Revolutionary Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps still exercising ruthless control over the people. There's no sign of any uprising by the Iranian people, perhaps because they're fearful of the bombs, perhaps because they're fearful of the irgc, but they're certainly not rising up in the way that Donald Trump was talking about his hopes would be happening. And we're seeing massive global economic mayhem driven by the virtual closure of the Strait of Hormuz and by the attacks by Iran on all the neighboring Gulf states, which are severely damaging the economies of all those countries. And that has a knock on effect, obviously, for the global economy. And the longer this goes on, the worse the global economy will suffer, the more lives are going to get lost on all sides. And if ultimately the regime remains intact, how will you claim victory? What is victory?

[Danny Danon]

So first, allow me to look at the upside also, you know, today we are degrading the capabilities of Iran. They don't have the same capabilities they had 10 days ago. And we haven't finished yet. We will continue to hammer the infrastructure of this terror machine. And when I speak about capabilities, you know, you focus on the ballistic missiles, on the nuclear capabilities and their proxies. So I think, you know, we can agree that it will not be the same. It will be a weakened regime. The question of whether there will be a regime change, I hope so. I pray for that. But it is up to for the Iranian people to decide when they do it, when they rise up. You know, if they are watching US Now I'm telling them maudoumay Iran, the people of Iran, be brave, be strong. Your time is coming very soon to go back to the streets and to lead this nation after 47 years of oppression. I think it will come. We know in the first few days we focused on targeting the launchers to minimize the casualties in the area and in Israel. But I think in the next few days we will continue to target the IRGC and regime's assets and hopefully it will encourage the people to move to the next stage.

[Piers Morgan]

Danny Danone, Israel's ambassador to the UN I appreciate you coming back and onsen. So thank you very much.

[Danny Danon]

Thank you very much.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, I'm going to be joined now by my panel, Doran Spielman, he's the former IDF international spokesman and author of When Stone Speak. Daniel Levy, the former Israeli negotiator and President of the U.S. middle east peace Project and Scott Horton, author of Provoked. Welcome to all of you. Scott Horton, let me start with you. Clearly, very different views of what is happening here from Jeffrey Sachs and Danny Danone. They had a very heated exchange in the UN which says it all. I imagine that your agreement probably lies a lot more with Jeffrey Sachs than Danny Danone. But again, I'll put the same question to you about the possibility that this could eventually work in the sense that Israel believes with good reason that Iran has been the tentacle, the octopus with tentacles for all the terrorism in the region that's been aimed at them through the Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas and so on, that it's run by an evil repressive regime which has been that way for 47 years, repressing its own people, repressing everything else in the region it can repress, and that they've had this coming and that by decapitating the regime you may then lead to an uprising from the Iranian people, many of whom hate the regime, and that in five, 10 years we may look back in history. This is what I hear from many Israelis and be grateful for what has happened. What would you say to that?

[Scott Horton]

Well, I mean, it's built into the question, of course, that this is all Israel's interests at play here. The great revolutionary Shiite menace is their problem, not ours. Our problem is the bin Ladenites, Al Qaeda and isis, the radical Salafi edge of Wahhabi, Sunni Islam and their terrorist movement, mostly America and Britain and Saudi Arabia's pet terrorists, although they oftentimes turn on us and kill us too. But the Shiites are the Israelis problem. And even though every time America runs an errand over there to try to spite them. We end up empowering them like we did in Iraq War two. And then inadvertently when Obama built the caliphate to spite them, we ended up that blew up too big. So they had to take the Iranian side again In Iraq War 3, which is, you know that we have strikes going on against Shiite targets in Iraq right now because that's the regime that we put in power. You quoted David Petraeus a minute ago about tell us how this ends. Well, Iraq War II ended with David Petraeus putting Iran's best friends in power there and training up their army, the Bada Brigade, to be the Iraqi army. And that's who we got a problem with as the war spreads right now. But then secondly, as far as will the war work? No. And as far as, well, it depends on who you ask, what their goals are. The Trump administration says they want stability and they even told the Wall Street Journal, anonymous officials told the Wall Street Journal they might be happy with the Ayatollah Khomeini's grandson. They don't like Khamenei's son. They want Khomeini's grandson instead. They have no capability, as Marco Rubio testified to the Senate, they have no one to put in power. They don't think for a minute they can parachute the monarchists in there. They don't think for a minute that the Mujahideen communist terrorist cult can take over. They don't think that the Kurdish communists, the pjak, which are the Iranian Kurdish branch of the PKK in Turkey. They don't think that they can take over. They don't think that the Baluki suicide bombers, Jandala that America and Israel backed 10, 15 years ago can take over the country. And but as the Israelis told the Financial Times, that's fine. What they want to see is civil war. What they want to see is chaos and destruction and Iran taken off the board. They don't want to see a friendly new Iran. As Donald Trump said, they want chaos. They want Iran to look like Obama helped Israel turn Syria into back 15 and 10 years ago.

[Piers Morgan]

All right, Doron Spillman, you know, there are many people think that is exactly what Israel wants. They just want total chaos, a sort of rudderless Iran. That's why they're blowing up all the oil refineries. That's why their general view seems to be to cause as much mayhem as possible. What do you say to that?

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[Doron Spielman]

You know, Pierce, you know, it's. It's simply your vision is history. Listening to Jeffrey Sachs and, you know, Scott, is just. It's ridiculous. It ignores the reality that over the last two and a half years and before, Israelis have been living in shelters, running in and out of shelters, attacked over our peaceful border with Gaza, received thousands of missiles from Hezbollah, thousands of missiles from the Houthis. We've been targeted in Israel and overseas, and it all leads back to Iran. It's as if Israel woke up one morning and said, we've got a great idea. Let's fly 2,000 kilometers and try to attack a country that has 95 million people and we have 10 million people that is 90 bigger than Israel. Put our soldiers at risk just out of the blue because Israel wants to take over the world. I mean, there's not a shred, a single shred of truth about this scenario. Let's wake up everybody. At what point does a country have the right to defend its civilians against an enemy country that not only has said it wants to destroy you, but has launched 500 ballistic missiles in June, another series of ballistic missiles, including one that flew over my house and killed a worker in the middle of Tel Aviv today who will not go home to his family. At what point do we have the most basic basic right to defend our country? Should we just sit here and wait for them to keep firing and lay down and roll over? You know, there is such a absolute hypocrisy. You know, I'm listening to Jeffrey Sachs, so you just. Pierce, you let him speak for half an hour. And it was, you know, so emotional. Israel's committing suicide. Well, let me ask Jeffrey Sachs and you, how do you suppose that Israel should respond to the Iranian terror threats from four different countries that have been attacking Israel? Should we not fight back? Should we just lay down? Is that not suicide at the end of the day?

[Dr. Fouad Izadi]

Thank you.

[Doron Spielman]

We are leaving.

[Scott Horton]

Thank you for proving my point.

[Danny Danon]

That's exactly what I said.

[Scott Horton]

This is Israel's problem, not America's, as opposed to Israel's not an ally of the United States.

[Doron Spielman]

Scott, just one, just one second. At the end of the Day. This will go down in history. The exact opposite of what Jeffrey Sachs said. You have Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Trump. Mark my words, they will go down in history. Like Churchill and Roosevelt, who were the first ones to confront the evil that spread throughout Germany and saved the West. We are the very first ones because there's an imminent threat against us that are going to stop this threat before it hits American soil. It already hit you. It already hit Israeli soil. They will go down in history. Everybody else that decries this war will be a minor footnote of those who said we should give into the regime. We can't defeat the regime. If this was 1945, they would just said, no, let's not finish off with Germany. Let's just let them reconstitute with Hitler's son, which is what Mujata is. He is Khomeini's son.

[Piers Morgan]

Heaven's sake. Okay, let me bring in. Let me bring in real quick. Hang on, hang on, hang on one second. Hang on, Scott. Okay, well, very quickly, because Daniel's been waiting. Patient.

[Scott Horton]

Very quickly, just very quickly. I said, this has nothing to do with America. This is Israel's problem. And he said, this is Israel's problem for five minutes. Yeah, that's what I said. Israel's not a state in the union. We have no treaty alliance.

[Doron Spielman]

I'd like to respond. I think that the United States wants a secure Middle East. I don't think anybody wants a destabilized Middle East. When Israel, which is the United States greatest ally, is under mortal threat, as we now see Saudi Arabia, Scott, who is the United States supposed ally, is now also under threat. You've got the uae, who is under threat. All of them are under threat by Iran because you started a war. Has the courage, and this president has the courage, Scott, beyond just protecting the US Troops, thousands of which have died over Iran over the last few decades, to say, you know what, I'm going to support the friends of the United States and to do the very simple act which seems like none of you can accept of defeating evil. Good standing up against evil. It can be defeated and it must be defeated.

[Piers Morgan]

The point. Okay, the point I would make to that, Doran, is that you're very optimistic that the regime is going to be defeated. And I think that the problem at the moment is there is no immediate sign of that happening. In fact, the opposite seems to be the case.

[Doron Spielman]

This is not a fairy tale.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay.

[Doron Spielman]

We actually have told it would be enemy.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, but we were told a year ago, actually not even A year ago that the attack on the nuclear installations was incredibly successful and had neutralized the threat of Iran and its nuclear capability. And yet here we are, less than a year later, launching a massive war in Iran because apparently they were, you know, imminently about to acquire the ability for a nuclear weapon. And those two positions seem to me completely, completely incompatible as I either it was neutralized last year, but I forced my way in. But it's stretching. It is stretching my stretching. Producer yeah, Daniel, let me bring in Daniel. Daniel, you've been very patient. Thank you. Over to you first.

[Daniel Levy]

I'm struggling right now over this definition of evil. I saw a country lay waste to Gaza. I've seen a country that occupied Palestinians. October 7th was a crime. But what about the decades in which Palestinians lived under a brutal occupation, a regime of structural apartheid? And then I look at what was done subsequently, and I'm shaking because when I hear these glib comparisons to the Holocaust and to the Nazi regime, I feel it's a form of cheapening, almost of Holocaust revisionism. I'm quite confident that the Jewish population in Germany was not keeping the Germans under a brutal occupation for decades. What a horrible analogy to draw to call this some kind of Holocaust. Now, first of all, if one's talking about evil, what we have witnessed in Gaza should be painful and shameful to anyone who has grown up in a tradition which respects and values Jewish life and which considers never again to not be a parochial call, but a universal global call. Now, let's come on to the subject at hand, which is what is going on with Iran? Iran didn't attack Israel. Iran hasn't attacked Israel. I wish I could say that Israel hadn't attacked Iran, but as in, your expressions of astonishment are wonderful, but they belie a revisionist view of his head. The attack in the.

[Doron Spielman]

Landed near you on television.

[Daniel Levy]

The attack in June was initiated by Israel. The attack on earlier this month, earlier this year, was initiated by Israel. And my question is twofold. First of all, is this extreme ambition, extremism, this maximalism likely to play out well for Israel? And what do we think is going to happen as this plays out, as Mr. Horton just suggested with the US because I would argue that you have an Iran that has a strategy and you have an Israel that has a strategy. It seems very clear, very transparent that the Israeli strategy is not some fairy tale of a. Of a happy new regime coming into place. It is precisely regime collapse, state implosion, dismantlement and chaos. Why? Because Israel has been very clear that it has an agenda of regional domination here. Why does it need an agenda of regional domination? Because that's not about security. We can come back and talk, talk about that. But that is central to the notion of a zero sum endgame versus the Palestinians. I think the Iranians have come into this with strategic, with strategic coherence this time around. They've changed their national security posture and said if this is going to be done against us, if this kind of a war is going to be launched against us, we will make it costly. We will establish a deterrence and we will challenge the notion that America can stay cost free in the West Asia region. The worry I have amongst others is that the party Israel is relying on I don't think has a strategy whatsoever. America used to go to war, wars that were often problematic for the world, for those who suffered for America itself with some degree of competence and coherence, some degree of a multi layered interagency process. Today I think you have rank, incompetence and incoherence. And on any given day the question is, what is this about? You can make a geopolitical case.

[Piers Morgan]

You could.

[Daniel Levy]

This is.

[Piers Morgan]

Daniel, let me ask you this.

[Daniel Levy]

Let, if, if I can finish just this one thought, it appears I'd be appreciative. Yeah, you could say this is about a chokehold. Like they see Greenland in geopolitical geo economic terms about oil, but you can also hear them talking about capitulation. You can hear them suggesting this could be a Venezuela 2.0. You can perhaps hear people saying, sorry,

[Doron Spielman]

who's the they, Daniel?

[Daniel Levy]

The spokespeople of the administration that is

[Doron Spielman]

carrying out which administration?

[Daniel Levy]

I would suggest that this could end in a couple of days or it could go on indefinitely. What you have here is Iran has not tried to say we will escalate toe to toe with Israel and the us. They have said we will go vertical, we will expand the theater of war and make this a question not of military capacity where the balance of power is clear, but of political endurance. And if you go into war, not like Afghanistan, if you're America with 90% public support, not like Iran, Iraq with 70% public support, but with barely 30% public support, bipartisan criticism inside MAGA, your economy taking the stress, then the question of political endurance, which I think will decide this, I don't think looks good from an American and by extension.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me jump in. Okay, let me jump in. I mean, I would say the political stroke, economic part of this cannot be understated because the economy is getting shredded globally. Oil and gas Prices are absolutely rocketing. No one can get through the Strait of Hormuz pretty much without Iran say so. So this is a very perilous moment for the global economy, I would say, notwithstanding the military part of this, where the strategy of Iran has been just to scatter, gun attack its neighboring Gulf states, because they know that by effectively doing that and the way that they've been doing by targeting hotels and airports and so on, they are acting as a massive deterrent to people who are not naturally born in those states to want to go back to wherever they came from. You've seen lots of Brits go back to Britain, for example, because they suddenly think that this safe oasis is not as safe as they thought. But let me just ask you one question, Daniel, before I go to the others for their response to what he said. And it says, when you said that Iran has not attacked Israel and the two examples you cite were indeed retaliatory. But surely that ignores the reality, which is for decades the Iranian regime, which has publicly talked about being wedded to the annihilation of Israel and here the chance of death to America at the same time, and has killed lots of Americans and Israelis. But the part you're missing, which I'm really curious about your response to, is that surely you would accept that by propping up and supporting with arms and lots of cash, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, they have been attacking Israel relentlessly for decades, but doing it through their proxies. And that is, to me, that is the same thing. Whether they're doing it directly or whether they're doing it through proxies, they have been attacking Israel. Now, you might have concerns about the way Israel has responded, and I would share many of those concerns. I've expressed them. But no one could persuade me that Israel isn't fundamentally justified in trying to defend itself from the tentacled attacks by the Iranian regime through its proxies for many, many years.

[Daniel Levy]

So I'm not going to carry the brief for the Iranian governing structure and what it has set out to do. What troubles me is what does that mean?

[Doron Spielman]

Daniel, what's your answer to Pierce? What does that mean? Just answer the simple question. Do you consider the fact that Iran has funded and trained Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis to kill Israelis and offense, Are they actually attacking Israel or are they some parallel vertical regime? What's your answer?

[Daniel Levy]

Here's my response. Here's my response. I would consider it highly problematic if the response to Israel's genocide against the Palestinians, if the response to Israel Being led by a war criminal with an International Criminal Court arrest warrant against his name. If the response to that would be an attempt to wipe the Israeli Jewish community off the map. Israel is a nuclear. Is a nuclear.

[Doron Spielman]

Is there any point at which you think Israel. I just carry out military intervention.

[Daniel Levy]

I believe that Piers asked me a question. Or anyone you see when you can't. If you can't listen to a response to your intervention. Daniel, Are we just going to shout over each other?

[Doron Spielman]

I know.

[Daniel Levy]

Okay, can I now question.

[Doron Spielman]

Because I don't understand.

[Daniel Levy]

Can you shut up and I'll answer.

[Doron Spielman]

Daniel, take it easy. Take it easy now we don't have to get over.

[Daniel Levy]

Well, I think this is.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, Let Daniel answer the question. Let Daniel answer the question.

[Daniel Levy]

So I think the fact that Israel has maintained control of the sovereign skies of Lebanon violated Lebanese sovereignty for decades. The fact that Israel has maintained a vicious violent occupation against the Palestinians does not mean that the solution is a military solution. I think we should eschew and avoid war. And war in this instance was avoidable. Iran was manageable. Not through kinetic military means. I don't think this is going to make the Jewish population of Israel or anywhere else even safer. I think quite the opposite. It will be more dangerous. Israel is going to have to step back from its illegal criminal activity. Iran should step back from. From its illegal criminal activity. And I would suggest that the way to do that is not by bombing schools, whether they're in Gaza, in Israel or in Iran. I would suggest the way you do that is you pursue other options. And if anyone told me that Israel as a nuclear power which has attacked Iran, not been attacked by Iran, where Iran's so called proxies were more of a deterrence than an offense, that Israel is more than capable of handling itself militarily, but apparently absolutely incapable of handling itself politically.

[Doron Spielman]

Sounds like you're defending Iran and persecuting Israel.

[Daniel Levy]

Sorry, I'm not defending Iran.

[Jeffrey Sachs]

Moment.

[Daniel Levy]

My question to you, Mr. Single Moment ashamed and are you excited against Israeli genocide?

[Doron Spielman]

I'm trying to ask a question. Can I just one.

[Daniel Levy]

Sorry, I didn't realize that was your job.

[Doron Spielman]

I promise I'll be quiet. Daniel, Is there a single moment at which Israel. You think Israel is justified in carrying out military intervention against one of the enemies that are facing it, Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran? Is there a single instance?

[Daniel Levy]

Yes. But I do not think that Israel is going to succeed militarily.

[Doron Spielman]

But what is it?

[Daniel Levy]

If the premise of its position is we will continue to manage a permanent illegal occupation against the Palestinians. Sorry, Sorry. Because you are, you are therefore in a belligerent state in the region. Israel has bombed several countries. Israel hasn't tried the other path.

[Doron Spielman]

What should we have done after October 7th?

[Piers Morgan]

Daniel? Let me, let me bring in.

[Daniel Levy]

Let me bring before October.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm just going to call a timeout. Let me call a timeout because Scott has been waiting very patiently. Scott, look, you know, there are passionate arguments on all sides of this. Of course there are. Do you have any sympathy with Israel's clear, look, there's a massive majority support for this in Israel, for what's happening in Iran, because the Israeli people have reached a general consensus that they believe Iran has been responsible for for most of their problems in the last few decades with these proxy terror groups just constantly trying to attack them. And that has caused this massive security crisis, as they see it, which has to be somehow brought to an end. Do you have any sympathy with the way the average Israeli feels about this and why they're supporting this?

[Scott Horton]

Well, I understand it just the same as if you swapped them out with any other nation in the world in the same position. If there was such a situation, it's fine. But it has nothing to do with the United States. And this goes back to a falsehood that Danny Danon said earlier in your show where he was claiming that ever since the Iranian Revolution of 1979, Iran has been at war with Israel this way. That's not true. Israel stayed friends with Iran all through the 1980s, as everyone knows. When Ronald Reagan switched sides in the Iran Iraq war for a minute and sold weapons to the Ayatollah, he used the Israelis as the cutout because they had the ongoing operation. And I highly suggest everyone, especially you, Pierce, read this fantastic book by Trita Parsi called Treacherous alliance, about the real history of America, Israel and Iran's relationship throughout that period. And where he shows that it was in 1993 when Yitzhak Rabin simply changed his strategy and Israel turned on Iran and Iran started funding Hamas after that. And now after Rabin was killed, the Likud basically took up the same policy of demonizing Iran, but instead of using it as an excuse for dealing with the Palestinians, they use it as an excuse to distract from the fact that they were going to never deal with the Palestinians in good faith. But it was the Israelis who turned on the Iranians first, and that wasn't until 1993. And Parsi even has Clinton administration officials laughing because the Israelis are demanding that America be hard on Iran when one week ago they were taking Iran's side in the very same type arguments and all that. The book is called Treacherous Alliance. It's absolutely fantastic and it shows all that. And then this is also crucially the basis for the argument in the Clean Break strategy by David Wormser and Richard Pearl in 1996, when Benjamin Netanyahu was first coming to office, the first time. These are American neoconservatives who wrote this policy that says the clean break is with Oslo, said we're never going to deal with the Palestinians, we're going to take what they have. But in order to be able to get away with that, we need a whole new position of dominance in the region. And in order to do that, our first priority is we have to break the arch of power between Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. And they said the way we want to do that is by getting rid of Saddam Hussein, which sounds insane and it is this. He was the Sunni roadblock in this Shiite arc of power here. But they thought that Turkey and Jordan would be dominant in the new Iraq and then they would get the Iraqi Shiites to tell Hezbollah to stop being friends with Iran and start making nice with Israel. It's called the Clean Break, A New Strategy for Securing the Realm. And the partner companion piece is called Coping with Crumbling States. And this is the naive pipe dream of the neoconservatives and the lud. And this was the policy behind Iraq War two, which Netanyahu of course championed and his neoconservative fifth column in America champion and which backfired and only resulted in America fighting an eight year war to install Iran's best friends from Dawa and the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in power there and to build their militias into the Iraqi army. And as I said, Iraq War 3 against the caliphate also was literally for Iran and their friends on the ground when they, the Iranian Quds Force liberated Tikrit isis, they had American airplanes flying overhead. And all this just goes to show, all this just goes to show the vast divergence of interests between Israel and the United States. And one more point here and I'll be quiet and you guys can keep arguing for the rest of the show. But we already on the first day had a blowback terrorist attack from Israel's war in my hometown of Austin, Texas. Texas. And three innocent people were murdered by a Muslim immigrant who went down to the bar. Yeah, you wiped that smile off your face real quick there, Mr. Israeli spokesman. Murdered three of my hometown.

[Doron Spielman]

That's killing a bunch.

[Scott Horton]

And there was. Shut up. Shut your damn mouth while I'M talking. And there was also an attempted bombing attack at the American last night. And Americans are already dying and suffering. Blowback, terrorism from another war on behalf of Israel, just like Omar Mateen's slaughter in Orlando, just like San Bernardino, blowback from Israel's foreign policy.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, I just want to end very quickly with you, Doran, if I may. Looking at the prediction markets, polymarket, they asked what price will crude oil hit by end of March? A lot of money coming in here with options ranging from $40 or a lot less than it is now to $200. I don't think it's too big a stretch to say that politically. I saw Netanyahu is calling for a potential election in Israel in the summer. Donald Trump is facing the midterms in America in November. Should oil reach $200 a barrel, then it is, I would argue, never mind militarily, never mind all the reasons you put forward for why this is a good idea, never mind anything else that purely economically stroke politically, that one fact alone could bring down both the Netanyahu government and the Trump presidency in terms of its effectiveness to govern past the midterms. What would you say?

[Doron Spielman]

I'm glad you asked me, Pierce. I think that it really lays bare the question, are we going to allow Iran to blackmail the entire world by saying we are either going to close the Straits of Hormuz and drive up oil prices, or you're going to allow us, the Iranian regime, to survive to create a nuclear program which they threaten out loud and say death to America and death to Israel. A ballistic missile program which will reach 8,000 ballistic missiles by 2027, multiply 8,000 by the 10 people that died in Beit Shemish, that's 80,000 Israelis alone. Are we going to allow the largest terror cancer in the world to survive because of oil prices? I think, Pierce, the answer is that we need to have steel nerves. I think that we have to not lose faith in the American people, the Israeli people, most of which understand, maybe not the two guests that I'm on the show with, that you have to have courage to defeat evil. If you think that we're going to leave the Iranian regime alone and it is just going to become a peaceful regime, that is a pipe dream. They are going to develop a nuclear weapon. And had we not struck them in June, the same ballistic missile that landed near Daniel today would have had a nuclear warhead on it every time. Anyone on this panel, it is US Interests, it is Israel interest. And if we do not defeat Iran now and give Those Iranian people, which is where this began a month and a half ago when Trump said help is on its way. 32,000 people were massacred in the streets. If we do not continue to deplete this regime and allow those people to bring in a leader, then we will be back in the same spot with a nuclear regime. And then I ask one question. What will be the price of oil when Iran has a nuclear regime and it strangles Hormuz and it says, you're going to give me whatever I want, otherwise I'm going to drop a nuclear bomb on you. That is not far away, Piers.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, guys, I'm sorry. We've run. May I come back? As long as it's very, very brief.

[Daniel Levy]

It will be very brief because I think what we've heard here, and this is important, is a very glib, unfact based, fantastical position from an Israeli spokesperson of spokesperson of a nuclear power. And we've heard something from Mr. Hornton which I think should really have Israelis thinking long and hard. This is America. Israel is dependent on America. What are you doing to an Israeli image in America which has already tanked during the relentless assault on Gaza? Americans are going to blame Israel for this and they'll have a reason. This is seen as Israel first. And I think Israel is playing with fire in ways that could be spectacularly a blowback.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, I think, I think my overview would be. I think it was, I think it was Doran who said earlier that history will look back on this and judge accordingly. I completely concur. I just have no confidence that it will look back in quite the way you think it might. But it may be that history will look back and say this was the moment when Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu conspired to destroy their legacies, or it will end up being their legacy in the way they see it. But I do think the stakes are incredibly high. And I do think anyone who says with any confidence they know how this is going to play out is living in cloud cuckoo land. I've got to leave it there. Very interesting debate. Thank you all very much. Because. Joining me now live From Tehran is Dr. Fouad Izadi, professor at Tehran University. Dr. Izadi, thank you for joining me on uncensored. What is it like to be in Tehran at the moment we had the

[Dr. Fouad Izadi]

bombardment just a couple of hours ago. We have lost over 1400 civilians, including 165 little girls. We are dealing with the Epstein class. They are bombing and killing little Iranian girls and raping little American girls.

[Piers Morgan]

The Americans and the Israelis believe that ultimately this is the beginning of the end of the Iranian regime which has been obviously in power since 1979. What do you say to them?

[Dr. Fouad Izadi]

You know, Netanyahu asked Iranians on the first day of war to come to the streets in millions and they are every night shouting against him and Trump. He has managed to unify Iranians. We have this rally around the flag effect. Trump single handedly has unified Iranians more than any Iranian politician could ever do. It's a pipe dream. It's not going to happen. We have. The Iranians have elected a new leader. The country is resilient. There is this culture of resistance and you cannot bomb people and expect them to like you. People are not going to be foot soldiers of Trump and Natanihood. They know these guys. They just finished conducting a genocide in Palestine. Why would you want to work for them?

[Piers Morgan]

But if that is your position then why would you think you could bomb all your neighboring Gulf states and not expect the same reaction from them? I mean we've seen the Prime Minister of Qatar overnight in an interview for Sky News expressing his outrage at what Iran has done in attacking Qatar. And we've seen Iran attacking Saudi Arabia, the uae, other Gulf states, Bahrain. Why is Iran doing that? It seems to me that of all the things that you could do which would be the most self defeating, attacking your own neighboring Gulf states and alienating all of them in the way that you're doing is the last thing you should be doing.

[Dr. Fouad Izadi]

You know we have US bases there. After the assassination of Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian general, Iranians response to that assassination was minimal. After the killing of Ismail Haniyeh, the Palestinian leader, minimal. After the assassination of Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon, minimal. After the 12 day war, Iranians announced they're going to hit one US base. They announced the timing, they announced number of missiles that they're going to use and the base was empty. No American soldier was killed. In all these attacks on Iran in the 12 day war we lost over 1200 civilians. The people who were exercising restraint are no longer with us. They were all killed by the Americans and Israelis. The new leaders in Iran realized that unless the United States and Israel pay a price, these type of attacks will continue every few months. You cannot run a country when two nuclear regimes attack you every few months. So the decision is to attack US bases, not these countries. The only problem is that the US bases are in these countries. So Iran is attacking US bases. Iran is attacking hotels when they are full of American soldiers. What they have done is that they have evacuated the bases, they have put the soldiers in hotels. That becomes a legitimate military target. CIA offices, headquarters in office areas in the cities, legitimate military targets. CIA is providing the data for these attacks on Iran. And then you have Iranian missiles, some of the missiles that are shut down, they create debris. And Iran cannot control where the debris falls. I was watching cnn. We had this oil facility in UAE in fire because of the debris. And then we had Tucker Carlson, the American journalist, reporting that in Qatar and Saudi Arabia they have arrested Mossad agents trying to blow up things so they can blame on Iran. I think Netanyahu has done a good job using American soldiers to fight his war against Iran. I think he wants to use Saudi soldiers, Qatari soldiers to do the same. I think the leaders of this country realize that's not a good idea.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, but I would counter. Let me counter to you, which is that the leader of your country, both the assassinated leader, the Ayatollah Khomeini, and is now his son, but also the previous supreme leader as well, have waged a systematic policy as a country of funding and sponsoring terrorism through proxies like the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas against Israel with a specific aim of killing Israelis and trying to extinguish Israel as an entity, as a country. Why shouldn't Israel seek to properly defend itself in that eventuality?

[Dr. Fouad Izadi]

You know, last time I was on your show, we went to this. Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. They were formed after Lebanon was occupied by Israel. Defending your territory, pushing out occupation is allowed under international law and you can use force to do that. And so these are freedom fighters. And Iran wanted to make sure that Israelis would not do to Iran what they are doing today. Iran created deterrence in these countries, like Lebanon, like Yemen, so Israelis would think that the cost of attacking Iran would be too much. And now that these organizations are weakened, you see what happened. They're killing Iranian leaders. This is a war of choice. They're not worried about Iran's nuclear program. I encourage your readers to read the US Intelligence community's assessment. It came out a couple of months before the 12 day war. It's available at dni.gov it says three things about Iran's nuclear program. The first thing, Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons. The second thing, this is the assessment of the US Intelligence community. It says that Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon program. And the third thing, it says that Iranian leaders have not decided to have a nuclear weapon program. When they asked Trump about this report. He dismissed it. He chose to accept Netanyahu's version, and he dismissed his own intelligence community. So if you want to make sure that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, you can go back to the 2015 agreement. I don't know if you saw the interview of the Omani foreign minister. He went to Washington about 10 days ago asking the Trump administration to accept an agreement with Iran. He said that the agreement was available in 24 hours. His words. It's available in YouTube. It's CBS News. He basically begged the Trump administration not to attack Iran. He said that Iran was willing to provide concessions that Iran was not able to do in 2015. And Trump attacked Iran. And it's understandable, if you want to change a country's government, you don't enter a diplomatic agreement with the government that you want to change, but they're not going to be able to change Iran's government. So it's a huge policy mistake. And unfortunately, we are seeing a lot of people get killed. Responsibilities of Trump and Netanyahu.

[Piers Morgan]

Professor Azadi, professor at the University of Tehran. I appreciate you joining me. Thank you very much.

[Dr. Fouad Izadi]

Thank you.

[Piers Morgan]

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