Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: Piers Morgan Uncensored

Episode: “I Will NOT STOP!” Candace Owens Meets Erika Kirk | Piers Morgan Interview
Date: December 17, 2025
Host: Piers Morgan
Guests: Candace Owens

Overview

This high-voltage episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored features Candace Owens in her first interview since a much-speculated private meeting with Erika Kirk, widow of assassinated conservative activist Charlie Kirk and current head of Turning Point USA. Owens, widely recognized—and criticized—for public theorizing about the Kirk assassination and alleged cover-ups, discusses the substance of her hours-long private conversation with Erika, responds to accusations about her methods and intentions, and forcefully defends her ongoing “investigation.” The dialogue is heated and wide-ranging, tackling conspiracy theories, transparency, the media’s responsibility, and Owens’s broader views on power, truth, and the backlash she faces.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Context: Meeting Between Candace Owens and Erika Kirk

• Initiation and Setup
  • The meeting was requested by Turning Point USA after public issues with scheduling and invitations.
  • Original idea was a live-stream, later adjusted to a private, off-record conversation following Erika’s media appearances.
  • Participants included Erika Kirk, Turning Point COO Justin Strife, Owens's husband (for part), and her cousin (02:29–03:18).

2. Candace’s Account of the Meeting

• Tone and Outcomes
  • "Answers to the questions of trying to understand why there were so many Turning Point lies...I was very refreshed that they owned up to the lies. That was a great first step." (05:08)
  • Candace says both parties gained clarity: she learned about Turning Point’s internal knowledge; they learned more about Owens's suspicions and evidence.
  • No legal representatives present, but they did call a Turning Point lawyer during the meeting (08:43–09:00).

3. Theories, Accusations, and Media Dynamics

• Private vs. Public Transparency
  • Piers Morgan questions if a private meeting only fuels further speculation.
  • Candace insists she preferred public transparency but didn’t want to appear unwilling to engage (07:55–08:43).
• Complicating Factors and Accusations
  • Owens remains unconvinced that Tyler Robinson is the sole perpetrator:
    • "Absolutely not. I haven't seen one piece of compelling evidence that Tyler Robinson scaled the rooftops like Spider man...I've seen more compelling evidence to the contrary." (10:37)
  • She suggests multiple actors and a cover-up, referencing federal authorities, Turning Point insiders, and foreign links: "I feel convinced the Feds were involved...I think Cash Patel knows what happened and did not happen on that day." (15:04)
• Metaphor to JFK Assassination
  • Owens draws parallels between the JFK assassination's conspiracy theories and the Kirk case, suggesting complex, multi-party involvement (17:06–20:25).
  • Piers insists many conclusions Owens suggests are not "facts" but theories, prompting repeated exchanges over semantics and the nature of proof (21:16–21:19).

4. Claims About Turning Point USA Personnel

• On Specific Individuals

  • Owens indicates she privately named two Turning Point USA employees to Erika Kirk as worthy of further scrutiny, but won’t publicly identify them without “concrete evidence” (26:15–27:20).
  • Owens distinguishes between raising suspicions about behavior (e.g., Mikey McCoy’s actions after the shooting) and directly accusing people of premeditated murder (28:29–35:09).
  • She critiques several Turning Point figures for “lies” and inconsistencies but maintains:
    • "Do I think someone at Turning Point pulled the trigger? No, obviously..." (25:28)

• On Chief of Staff Mikey McCoy

  • Discussed at length for ‘strange’ behavior after the shooting (29:29–34:41):
    • "I have eyes. And I am agreeing with the public that Mikey McCoy's behavior was weird on that day." (34:41)
    • Owens claims not to accuse him of direct planning, but flags his conduct as suspicious.

5. Specifics of Conspiracy Theories

• Foreign Links: Egyptian Planes, Israeli Interests, French Foreign Legion
  • Egyptian planes tracked around Turning Point Faith events—Owens promises to publish evidence (39:01–39:02).
  • “The Egyptian planes are tied to Israel. They’ve been flying in and out of Israel with their transponders off for years. Regarding the Turning Point USA picture...There's a correlation between Turning Point faith events and these plane activities.” (39:02–40:17)
  • French Foreign Legion presence on the day cited as another red flag—"That all sounds about right to me." (59:37)
• Israel/Mossad, Cash Patel, and Media Cover-Ups
  • Owens advances the claim that Israeli figures (including Benjamin Netanyahu) were suspiciously involved or eager to deny involvement (22:06–22:56, 58:02–59:37).

6. Motivation and Backlash

• Owens’s Motivation
  • Forceful rebuttal to claims that her coverage is motivated by personal profit:
    • "...if you think that I would want my friend to be assassinated so I could go from being in the top five to being number one, you're out of your mind. I'm so disrespectful." (48:12)
    • Disputes the idea she’s profiting from higher viewership numbers (47:25–49:54).
  • Defends herself against criticism from Tim Pool, Nick Fuentes, and the New York Post, characterizing opposition as “fan fiction” or psychological operations (51:31–52:29).

7. The Limits of "Just Asking Questions"

• Piers’s Frustration
  • Morgan repeatedly presses Owens for specific conclusions or actionable evidence.
  • "Everything is like. You're just asking questions. You're sharing information...But when I actually ask you to be specific about, well, who do you think did what? That's where it all hits a shuddering halt. You don't know, do you?" (53:31–53:46)

8. The Aftermath: Will She Stop?

• Post-Meeting: No Intention to Stop Investigation
  • Erika Kirk did not request Owens to cease her public inquiries during or after the meeting:
    • "She didn’t ask me to stop...and to the contrary, I shared information that I had and I got information from them." (56:36–56:57)
  • Owens:
    • "Until I feel confident of who killed Charlie Kirk, I will not stop investigating." (57:01)

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Candace Owens (On Investigation):
  "The difference between me and you is that I have the courage to take the risks and ask the questions first. Okay? Before it's popular. You wait until it becomes popular and then you change your mind." (00:12; repeates at 42:56)
• On Complicity and Cover-Ups:
  "I believe that there are people at Turning Point who are engaged in covering up what happened on that day." (25:28)
• On Specific Evidence:
  "Because I don't have concrete evidence is the reason why I'm not naming them." (27:00)
• On the JFK Analogy:
  "It was a grand conspiracy that killed JFK. I am going to say that confidently. I just think we have to grow. We can't keep pretending. Lee Harvey Oswald, JFK." (20:15)
• On Personal Motivation:
  "It's so fun being the lone person to be attacked every second and every minute of every day...You know, it would be so easy. I would be a billionaire...if I would just say the thing." (61:42)
• On Whether She Will Stop:
  "Until I feel confident of who killed Charlie Kirk, I will not stop investigating." (57:01)

Important Segments & Timestamps

• Setting up the meeting and Erika Kirk’s request: 01:09–03:18
• Discussion of the meeting’s content: 04:57–06:32
• On why Candace persists and her commitment to inquiry: 07:55–08:43, 57:01
• Challenge over evidence on Tyler Robinson: 09:00–10:37
• On Turning Point USA’s alleged cover-up: 24:10–26:06
• Names and evidence regarding Turning Point employees: 26:15–28:29
• Mikey McCoy’s behavior and suspicions: 29:19–34:41
• Egyptian planes and foreign involvement theories: 39:01– 40:17; 58:02–59:37
• Candace’s explicit statement of intent & purpose: 61:42–62:46

Tone & Atmosphere

• Combative and Unfiltered: Morgan presses hard, Owens forcefully parries accusations, both returning to their well-known rhetorical styles.
• Accusatory and Defiant: Owens’s language is direct, accusatorial, and emotionally charged, but she positions herself as a dogged independent investigator against “power” and “the media.”
• Skeptical and Provocative: Morgan pushes for evidence and specificity, questioning the ethics and consequences of Owens’s claims.

Conclusion

• Candace Owens remains unrepentant in her claims and investigation into Charlie Kirk’s murder, rejecting criticism and allegations of profiteering, while affirming she’ll continue until satisfied with the truth.
• Piers Morgan’s skepticism is unyielding, repeatedly challenging Owens on the breadth and basis of her theories, while acknowledging her tenacity.
• The overall episode functions as a flashpoint for contemporary debates about truth-seeking, conspiracy, media integrity, and the power of public platforms.

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