“I’d Rather DIE Than Bend The Knee!” Megyn Kelly, Scott Galloway & More On Super Bowl Show

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Podcast Summary: Piers Morgan Uncensored

Episode: “I’d Rather DIE Than Bend The Knee!” Megyn Kelly, Scott Galloway & More On Super Bowl Show

Date: February 9, 2026

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Overview

This episode features a heated debate on the cultural and political fallout from the 2026 Super Bowl halftime show, headlined by Bad Bunny. The panel, including Megyn Kelly, Scott Galloway, Michael Knowles, Mark Lamont Hill, Glenn Greenwald, and Jack Posobiec, dissects accusations of divisiveness, language politics, American cultural identity, and the boundaries of patriotism. The episode also covers controversy around a Trump meme and protests against big tech in response to immigration enforcement policies.

The conversation is marked by sharp disagreement—especially regarding the Super Bowl as an "American" institution and the appropriateness of Bad Bunny's performance—while reflecting broader anxieties about polarization, free speech, and protests in the age of Trump.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl Performance: Unity or Division?

• Piers Morgan’s Perspective (00:00; 03:55; 13:03):

  • Morgan commends the performance: “I watched it all … I thought, as a piece of theater, it was the best I’ve seen” (03:55).
  • Frames Bad Bunny's set as a message of “togetherness and love and unity. What’s wrong with that?”.
  • Dismisses criticism about singing in Spanish, comparing Bad Bunny to Pavarotti: “He always sings in Spanish, just as Luciano Pavarotti sings in Italian” (01:41).

• Megyn Kelly’s Critique (00:05; 05:02; 06:43; 08:08; 13:21):

  • Claims the Super Bowl should be a “unifying event for the country, not for Latinos” (00:05).
  • Argues that performing in Spanish is “a middle finger to the rest of America” (05:02).
  • Attacks Bad Bunny’s politics and questions Jay Z’s role in performer selection, even referencing conspiracy with Jeffrey Epstein (05:02).
  • Claims only English-speaking, patriotic, non-controversial artists should headline: “Football, that kind of football, is ours … not Spanish, not Muslim, not anything other than good old-fashioned American apple pie” (07:08).

• Panel Reactions: Division vs. Diversity

  • Michael Knowles (29:38; 41:57; 45:33):

    • Argues Bad Bunny “hates America” and resents U.S. immigration law.
    • Criticizes entire performance being in Spanish: “That demonstrates an ingratitude toward the country” (41:57).
    • Draws false equivalence between short multilingual moments (Pavarotti at Trump’s rallies) and a full non-English halftime show.

  • Mark Lamont Hill (32:28; 33:40):

    • Counters that Spanish is an “important language in the United States”, and Americans can enjoy music without understanding every lyric.
    • Criticizes the tendency to label any criticism of America or immigration as anti-American: “If Bad Bunny were to be someone who hated America, being from a colonized land of Puerto Rico, it would be understandable. But I don’t want to conflate a principled critique of America or ICE with hating America” (33:04).

  • Glenn Greenwald (35:16; 48:22):

    • Points out the historic politicization and internationalization of Super Bowl halftime shows, noting numerous non-American and politicized acts.
    • Wonders why Bad Bunny’s show, as a massively popular American citizen, is different.

  • Jack Posobiec (37:45; 39:45):

    • Defends the alternative, “pro-American” halftime show on YouTube, arguing that NFL ignores genres (rock, country) that “flyover country” prefers.
    • Claims Bad Bunny’s pre-existing politicization triggered the backlash.

Notable Quotes

• “To get up there and perform the whole show in Spanish is a middle finger to the rest of America.” – Megyn Kelly (05:02)
• “Isn’t the fact that he ends up performing … exactly the kind of journey that America was founded on?” – Piers Morgan (13:03)
• “The most radical act in a capitalist society is non participation.” – Scott Galloway (10:10, 51:21)
• “Let’s not pretend that Americans only enjoy music that they understand … performances aren’t just about the language.” – Mark Lamont Hill (33:04)

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2. Language, Identity, and “American Values”

• Megyn Kelly and Michael Knowles:

  • Push for the idea that “English is America’s language,” using the lack of an official U.S. language as a wedge.
  • Claim the Super Bowl should be a symbol of American exceptionalism, Christian identity, and “heartland values.”

• Counterpoints

  • Mark Lamont Hill: Questions if “unification” really means exclusion of minorities and immigrant communities.
  • Glenn Greenwald: Highlights inconsistency, e.g., when Republicans use Italian opera or platform British artists.
  • Piers Morgan: Jokes, “If I could point out the elephant in the room … You guys speak English. You speak a foreign language, which is mine.” (49:06)

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3. Free Speech, Protest, and Patriotism

• Debate over whether criticizing U.S. policy disqualifies a performer (Bad Bunny) or an athlete (Hunter Hess) from “representing” America (14:51; 17:34).
• Megyn Kelly: “If you can’t represent that country proudly, get that jersey off of your back and give it to someone who can. We’d rather lose than win with a guy who can’t stand the country.” (17:34)
• Discussion over athletes' and artists' rights (or lack thereof) to challenge “official narratives” while in the spotlight.

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4. Online Outrage and Hypocrisy

• Piers Morgan & Glenn Greenwald: Note how everything—music, politics, memes—is catastrophized on social media, with no room for nuance or disagreement (34:08; 72:36).
• Debate over Political Double-Standards: Comparing outrage at Trump memes to the routine labeling of Trump as “Hitler”.
• “It’s the lying and the dishonesty and the misdirection ... that makes it hard to believe or trust any of it from them.” – Mark Lamont Hill on the Trump meme controversy (63:17)
• Panel Consensuses: Trump likely didn’t realize what the meme included; deletion was the right move, but the whole episode reveals deep procedural and moral failings in America's polarized discourse (67:55; 71:02).

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5. Scott Galloway’s Economic Protest Campaign

• Scott Galloway (10:10; 51:21): Launches “Resist and Unsubscribe”, urging Americans to boycott/subscription-cancel with big tech companies to protest Trump’s immigration enforcement and ICE actions.
• Argues: “The most radical act in a capitalist society is non participation ... you have power to decide where you want to spend your money” (10:10, 51:21).
• Open about personal contradictions: owns big tech stock, acknowledges privilege.
• Michael Knowles’ Pushback: Calls the campaign “a desperation play … the left wants to tank the US Economy in order to punish President Trump for the crime of having been elected by most American voters” (54:26).

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6. The Trump Meme and Racial Controversy

• Trump (or a staffer) reposted a meme with the Obamas depicted as cartoon apes (63:17). Discussion revolves around whether Trump saw the whole video, staffer responsibility, and reactions from both left/right.
• Mark Lamont Hill: Calls out the administration’s pattern of misdirection instead of accountability.
• Jack Posobiec/Glenn Greenwald: Argue it’s possible it was an oversight and that firing/reprimanding staff is appropriate.
• Michael Knowles: Points out similar distasteful memes circulate with less uproar when targeting Republicans; contends that both sides catastrophize and dilute true cases of racism or fascism (71:02).

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Bad Bunny Performance & Language Debate: 00:00 – 16:22
• Hunter Hess and Patriotism in Sports: 16:22 – 20:54
• Scott Galloway’s Economic Boycott Campaign: 49:45 – 59:42
• Trump Meme Controversy: 60:58 – 73:35

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Memorable Moments and Quotes

• “I'd rather die than bend the knee to these people … What's important to me is I live free. And that, frankly, is what it means to be an American.” – Megyn Kelly, on refusing to condemn Candace Owens (26:37)
• “We can't even have the same halftime shows anymore … We catastrophize everything.” – Glenn Greenwald (34:08)
• “You have power to decide where you want to spend your money and where you don't want to spend your money.” – Scott Galloway (10:10, 51:21)

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Tone and Dynamics

• Highly combative: Frequent interruptions, pointed sarcasm, and sharp ideological divides, especially between Megyn Kelly/Michael Knowles and Mark Lamont Hill/Glenn Greenwald.
• Piers Morgan acts as both instigator and moderator, poking fun at contradictions while amplifying debate.
• The tone ranges from passionate defenses of American tradition to biting mockery of opponents' views.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a raw, unfiltered look at America's ongoing cultural civil war as it plays out through sports, entertainment, and internet discourse. The Super Bowl halftime show becomes a proxy for arguments about “real” American identity, assimilation, protest, and pluralism, while broader concerns about partisanship, freedom, and hypocrisy loom large. The debate is vigorous and often acrimonious, but rich in revealing the anxieties and convictions driving the current moment.

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Transcript

[Piers Morgan]

I watched the Bad Bunny show. I saw nothing problematic about it at all.

[Megyn Kelly]

This is supposed to be a unifying event for the country, not for the Latinos.

[Scott Galloway]

I want to send a signal to Americans that the most radical act in a capitalist society is non participation and that you have power to decide where you want to spend your money and where you don't want to spend your money.

[Michael Knowles]

The left wants to tank the US Economy in order to punish President Trump for the crime of having been elected by most American voters.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Even we think this is bad. We love kissing the. But we don't think anything is racist. And we still think, I don't know, maybe you shouldn't put the Obamas as monkeys.

[Piers Morgan]

Absolutely terrible. One of the worst ever was the US President's verdict on the super bowl halftime show. Nobody understands a word this guy is saying, said Donald Trump. A slap in the face to our country. Trump didn't comment on the alternative all American halftime show staged by Charlie Kirk's Turning Point usa, presumably because he was watching Bad Bunny. And the truth is that both the alternative show and the President's statement felt like they were contrived as a response to something which ultimately didn't happen. Many expected Green Day and Bad Bunny to use the biggest show, the world of television, to skewer the president and rail against ice, but actually they didn't. Now, I'm no Bad Bunny apologist. I didn't know much about him actually before yesterday and also don't speak Spanish, but I actually really enjoyed his performance. I thought the staging, the choreography, the theatre was the best I've ever seen in a halftime show. And actually the message was about togetherness and love and unity. What's wrong with that? He didn't perform in Spanish to prove a point. He always sings in Spanish, just as Luciano Pavarotti sings in Italian. The criticism of the whole thing is that he sang in a language spoken by 60 million Americans, including the Secretary of State. Is that a problem? Like I said, the President used to play Pavarotti's Ness and Dormer at his campaign rallies. It even played at the end of the emotional 2024 RNC as Trump accepted his nomination just days after being shot. Nelson Dormer, to remind you, is entirely in Italian. Well, I'll be joined by my panel in a moment, but first, let's hear from the host of the Megan Kelly Show, Megyn Kelly. Megyn, great to have you back on uncensored.

[Megyn Kelly]

Great to see you back sort of on your feet and looking so well.

[Piers Morgan]

Piers, do you know what I took my first steps. I felt like Neil Armstrong. Today I was walking along my high street with two crutches 24 days after face planting, and it felt like a moment. I was, like, out of the house suddenly breathing fresh air again. The whole thing has reminded me that in the end, if you don't have good health, you're screwed.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's so true. But you're strong. Good for you. I'm amazed. I saw that picture and I thought, a, it's great you're back on your feet, and B, good for you for posting your progress. A lot of men wouldn't want to post that with the. With the two crutches, but it's a testament to your fortitude that you're doing it at all and that you're still doing your show. I admire your strength, as always.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you know what I mean? I won't labor the point, but 100,000 people a year in the UK alone have hip replacements. Now, mine was forced by injury, but actually, that's a lot of people. And I just thought, I've got a lot of followers. Why don't I just tell them how I'm getting on? Because the response I've had has been incredible. People telling me about what they've been going through and what. It's a big thing. Hip replacements are the new cool thing.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's right. And now you don't have to worry about it in 15 years like the rest of us will. Look, we're getting older, Piers. That's the truth. But you know what? We're the youngest we'll ever be for the rest of our lives. So let's enjoy it.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you know what? You sent me the best response? Which was? Or best message. You just said that pains in the ass, like me and you, we never die young.

[Megyn Kelly]

So we've got that going for us. Fingers crossed.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, talking of pains in the ass, let's get into something, because there are gonna be some things that I talk about with you where we're gonna be in total agreement. But I'm gonna start with something where I know we are totally in disagreement, and that is bad Bunny. So I got up this morning and I watched it all without reading anything about it. I just thought, I want to watch this completely clean, without anyone's view contaminating my brain cells. And I watched all 15 minutes of it, and I've watched every halftime show going back 30, 40 years. I thought as a piece of theater, it was the best I've seen, just the most extraordinary kind of Broadway on steroids, but piece of theatre. I also thought it wasn't remotely divisive politically. In the end. His Grammy's speech was. But his performance, I thought was actually a lot of things which I would have thought people on the conservative right would applaud. It was about love. A couple actually got married for real in the middle of it. He was preaching about unity, not just the United States of America, but the wider Americas. What was the problem, Meghan?

[Megyn Kelly]

A certain male gesture is coming to mind, but I'm not sure I can do it on this show. No, it wasn't about what he was actually gonna do during the middle of the super bowl performance. It's about him. It's about him being chosen as the super bowl performer. Somebody who's been an outspoken critic, of course, of the Trump administration and of America and our anti immigrant policies. This is long before the current controversy over ice. He doesn't want illegals deported from this country. Well, too bad, because the majority of Americans do want that and are not shy about pushing for it. And that's why President Trump got elected. So he and his little buddies over at Green Day never miss a chance to bash the United States of America. He got selected because Jay Z, for some reason, has got the choice over who performs at our Super Bowl. Who's another problem? Don't even get me started on his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, which why is he choosing who's appropriate for American children to watch during our seminal sporting event? And I'm sorry, Piers, but to get up there and perform the whole show in Spanish is a middle finger to the rest of America. Who gives a damn that we have 40 million Spanish speakers in the United States? We have 310 million who don't speak a lick of Spanish. This is supposed to be a unifying event for. For the country. Not for the Latinos, not for one small group, but for the country. We don't need a black national anthem. We don't need a Spanish speaking, non English performing performer, and we don't need an ICE or America hater featured as our primetime entertainment.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, what is the national language, officially the national language of the United States of America?

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, English. And there's been a push for many, many years to make it an official. You don't have one documented thing.

[Piers Morgan]

You don't have one.

[Megyn Kelly]

If you would have let me finish the comment, I would have pointed that out. And people have been pushing to make it official.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, so you're trying to make official.

[Megyn Kelly]

This attitude that you in Great Britain have lost Your culture. You ceded your culture to a bunch of radical Muslims who came in and took over, and now it's gone. We're not allowing that here. Whether it's Hispanic, whether it's Muslim, it's not happening in the United States of America. That's why President Trump was elected. And whether it's Bad Bunny who is American but refuses to speak English in his performances or anybody else, we have to keep the super bowl, which is a quintessential American event. Football. That kind of football is ours. They call it American football. And the halftime show and everything around it needs to stay quintessentially American. Not Spanish, not Muslim, not anything other than good old fashioned American apple pie. There should be a meatloaf, maybe some fried chicken and an English speaking performer. That's what the super bowl should be.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, two things. One, you've conceded you don't have a national language in the United States officially. And secondly, the language you do want to be your official language is my language, the language of the country you think has gone to pot. So my obvious follow up is, Meghan, why do you want English as your national language if you think England has gone to hell on a handcart?

[Megyn Kelly]

Pierce, I think those medications for your hip have gone too far. We need to dial back a pill or two, okay? We want something that we can all understand. I don't think Bad Bunny used his appearance to bash America, but I can't be sure because I didn't see any sub captions on his Spanish language.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, but what about Pavarotta? What about Pavarotta?

[Megyn Kelly]

America haters.

[Piers Morgan]

What about. What about Pavarotti, who Donald Trump in 2016 in particular would use at every campaign rally? He's used it at the rnc, right? As a triumphant thumping anthem. Well, no, hang on. Not only Pavarotti.

[Megyn Kelly]

I've been to lots of Trump rallies. Pavarotti gets song.

[Piers Morgan]

Maybe he sings. But when he sings Nessen Dormer in Italian, I don't see you leaping up and down going, I can't understand a word of it. You're probably singing.

[Megyn Kelly]

I didn't know him being the super bowl halftime show. Was he?

[Piers Morgan]

Well, would you have minded if he was?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, I would have. Because we feature English speaking performers at the quintessentially American event of the Super Bowl. We do Michael Jackson, we do Whitney Houston, we do great bands that love America. Like American rap. That's a different situation. This guy who can't stand the country comes out and starts speaking in Spanish. And I'm sure the people in South Florida really enjoyed it. The people in an American territory, territory Puerto Rico, really enjoyed it. But the people in the heartland had no idea what the hell was happening. This is a guy who loves to parade around in a dress, who again hangs out with Jay Z and his Epstein loving pals, who gets up there when he's not bashing America with his pals at Green Day, who are from the far left People's Republic of California, who have never missed a chance to rip on Trump, maga, half the country or ice then that's something they share with Bad Bunny. That's not representative of what the heartland wants to see. And the heartland always gets the middle finger from people like Jay Z, like Roger Goodell, who should know better, but he's a panderer who runs the NFL. And that's why you had probably closer to 10 million people turning the channel and turning to the turning point event, which was pro American, which was absolutely beautiful, which had several references to God and faith and this country, which had a tribute to Charlie Kirk at the end of it and talked about Jesus and how he can change your life. The that's what America's all about. We are founded as a Christian nation. We're still a Christian nation. And what we want is somebody up there to celebrate how freaking special this country is, not a bunch of people who can't stand us. And over what? Over our desire to get illegal immigrants who are raping and molesting our children out of our country. That's all. ICE is doing okay.

[Piers Morgan]

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[Megyn Kelly]

Because he's too divisive. Pierce, I'm giving you the reason. Maybe because you're not an American. You don't get it. He is too divisive a figure. No one would begrudge him his personal success story. Good for him. Great. We love that here in America. Just like we love when our half pipe freestyle skiers make it to the Olympics despite all odds. They overcome them and they may. But when you go overseas wearing the American uniform and you bash America on foreign soil when you're wearing our stars and stripes, we get very upset here in America. It's not that we don't stand for free speech or differences of opinion or love rags to riches stories. We do all of those things. But there are certain things that we expect of the people who are representing us when they're overseas as Olympic athletes or when they are in the middle of the super bowl, which is our event. That is a heartland event that gets every usually man, but lots of women too, on their feet feeling patriotic year after year. It's one of the reasons why we love it. And the last thing we want is someone who's a harsh partisan who we know can't stand the country. And you're wrong. He wasn't totally patriotic at that event. He ended it by saying God bless America and then listed all the countries in all of the Americas, which is not how we here in the United States view the usa. We actually do believe in American exceptional, exceptionalism. And we believe we actually do have a higher claim to morality than some of the countries he was listing, like Mexico.

[Piers Morgan]

But you wouldn't want him to have his First Amendment rights infringed on his ability to criticize certain policies of a particular. Of course not.

[Megyn Kelly]

No one's talking about that. But he has no right to confer an American citizen.

[Piers Morgan]

Really.

[Megyn Kelly]

The First Amendment has nothing to do.

[Piers Morgan]

With anyone who's ever been.

[Megyn Kelly]

The First Amendment has nothing to do with. It is about government censorship of speech.

[Piers Morgan]

Hang on, hang on. Anyone who's been critical then of the US Government should not be allowed to perform at the halftime show. Is that your position?

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't think that'd be my selection. I do think you should find somebody who is more of a unifier. And there are plenty of them. There are still millions, millions of people out there who have very strong political opinions, but they don't voice them publicly because they realize they're in a line of work where that could be alienating to their customer base. The same is true for these performers. And if you wanna be super outspoken, if you wanna be a Jane Fonda, then go for it. But don't expect yourself to be placed in the middle of what's supposed to be a nonpartisan event and be a so called unifier. We put up with this year after year after year, but right now we're in a serious battle over immigration enforcement, something the country voted for overwhelmingly. And to pick two acts who are as outspoken against that as these two and plop them into the middle of that is a middle finger by Roger Goodell. It's picking a side in the most divisive debate we're having right now in the country. And it was wrong. It was a mistake.

[Piers Morgan]

Good. Well, I'm glad we reached a point of zero agreement on that. Well, let's move to an issue where I think we will agree. And this is the separate issue of Hunter Hess, the US Winter Olympic skier who said this at the weekend.

[Hunter Hess]

It brings up mixed emotions to represent the US right now. I think it's a little hard. There's obviously a lot going on that I'm not the biggest fan of. And I think a lot of people aren't. I think for me it's more I'm representing my friends and family back home, the people that represent it before me. All the things that I believe are good about The US I just think if it aligns with my moral values, I feel like I'm representing it. Just because I'm wearing the flag doesn't mean I represent everything that's going on in the U.S.

[Piers Morgan]

You see, I think when you're representing your. I'm trying to think, what would I feel if that was a Team GB guy saying that about Britain? And I wouldn't like it because I think if you're representing your country in a global event like the Olympics, just avoid criticizing your country while you're doing it. It seems to me pretty straightforward transactional deal.

[Megyn Kelly]

Do you know what athletes over here would give to don the stars and stripes and go represent the United States at the Olympic Games? Anything. Anything. Those things get decided by 1/100th of a second when it comes to speed or landings, et cetera. And this guy, he gets the privilege of going and he has forgotten the most important lesson of the great Herb Brooks, who coached the Miracle on Ice team that won against the Russians in 1980 in an event so historic and they've made several movies out of it and documentaries beyond which is the name on the front of your jersey is a whole hell of a lot more important than the one on the back. You go because you're representing the United States of America, not the guy back here. No one gives a about you, Mr. Hess. You'll be forgotten in about two minutes whether you win gold or not. That's the truth. But your bad behavior about your country and the flag that you have been sent to represent will be remembered for a long time. You have single handedly managed to alienate more than half the country because it's not just conservatives who are outraged at this. There are still a lot of old, regular, moderate, liberal Americans who don't like this crap. If you can't represent the country proudly, don't go. And he says, I'm representing my family and my friends. They don't have the power to let you wear those stars and stripes. They are not empowered to grant you that uniform and let you say you represent the United States of America and run in the red, white and blue or ski in the red, white and blue. They can't do that for you. Your friends and family can give you the hot cocoa when you come in from the mountain, but they can't give you the stars and stripes and America on your back. So if you can't represent that country proudly, get that jersey off of your back and give it to someone who can. I think I speak for most Americans when I say we'd rather lose. We'd rather come in third or second or not place at all than win with a guy who can't stand the country. He's doing it on behalf of.

[Piers Morgan]

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[Megyn Kelly]

Well, I don't think we'd have to debate it because they'd be dead before the beginning of their heat. I mean, China does not tolerate that. And really Russia doesn't either. It's only America that, of course, that's the bitter irony. Like, you know, there's an ice skater, Piers, some no name loser who got out there and ripped on America too, because she's pansexual. No one even knows what the hell that is. It's fake, made up bullshit. So she gets out there to say like, oh, she I'm queer, I'm pansexual. And I, you know, it's been a really tough time for people in the LGBTQ blah, blah, blah, blah community lately. Really? What gay rights have you not enjoyed as an American citizen? Nothing. It's a lie. She's first of all trying to glom onto what's happening in the trans community, which the LGB people have broken up with, but she hasn't gotten the memo because there's complete parity and equal rights for all gay people in America. There's an issue over trans people because that's a whole different kettle of fish. And even our Supreme Court has recognized that as of late. In any event, she's trying to glom on because she loves victimhood so she's tried to raise it as a fake issue because that's just what she wants to do. Do you think you could do that in Russia? You think you could even speak out? Will any. Will anybody from a country where they criminalize gay rights speak up? No, they won't. And as an American, I have no problem with that. I. There's a time and a place. You should speak up for it when you can. When you're in your country, if you want to fight for freedom of speech, you want to fight for civil rights, go for it if you can. The beauty of being in America is you can. You can burn our flag. You can stand on the sidewalks. I love protest. I would be fine with the anti ICE protesters if they would just behave like normal humans instead of biting off the fingers of the ICE agents. That's. I have a problem with that. That's not protest. That's criminality. So these people who want to go over there and criticize China or criticize Russia, okay, you should do that in your countries. You should do that when. If you can. And if you can't, it's a much bigger problem. The Iranians are dealing with that right now. As Americans, we can criticize our government to high heaven anytime we want to, all over our airwaves, in our thoughts, on our streets. It happens every day. That's part of what's so gorgeous and awesome about our country. But these know nothings don't understand that, and want to go over there and tell audiences that include people from China and elsewhere about our human rights violations, which are amorphous and unnamed, like from this queer pansexual.

[Piers Morgan]

Meghan, I, as you know, I love you. And I particularly love you when you're on such feisty form. And I love arguing with you, actually, apart from anything else. But not everyone is a super Megyn Kelly fan. You've been taking a lot of flack recently, and I want to play a clip from Kara Swisher from the podcast Pivot. She does with Scott Galloway, who's actually coming on my show a little later today. So I want to get your response to this.

[Megyn Kelly]

Hey, Megan, good to give you content you'll attack me and not Scott, who's appropriately critical of you, but that's fine. Whatever you want, girl.

[Scott Galloway]

Next up, Bill, you've been on Megan's show. Have you been on her show?

[Megyn Kelly]

No, of course not.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Why would I.

[Megyn Kelly]

Why would I spoil myself?

[Scott Galloway]

I get it, though. I think she's very talented.

[Megyn Kelly]

She has turned into something else. Scott, you're not paying attention.

[Scott Galloway]

I would argue over the last few years, Megan has gone very, very conspiracy theory and has decided the more insane, incendiary shit I say, is it that she's making money or is she. Has she seriously lost her shit?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Piers Morgan]

Megan, I think you've gone bonkers. What is your response before I speak to Mr. Galloway a little later?

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, I'd love to know what his examples are of that, because I'm the least conspiratorial person on camera? I believe we did land on the moon. I believe the Saudis were behind 9 11. I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. That's something my detractors want to say about me because they don't think I'm critical enough of Candace Owens. That's really what it's about. But let me tell you why Kara Swisher actually doesn't like me. Because Kara Swisher is embarrassed. Just bringing up my name triggers her. Because we used to be friends, and I was gonna go on her podcast, and I was booked for, I think, a Tuesday and the previous Friday, my sister, who was only 58 years old, died. And my assistant sent Kara Swisher an email saying, megan suffered a family emergency and she's not gonna be able to make your podcast on Tuesday. And Kara Swisher responded by mocking me, saying she didn't believe that I had a family emergency and she thought I was too afraid to go on her podcast because I'd been in the news as being a controversial person for saying the COVID vaccine was causing deadly myocarditis in teenage boys, which we now know was a fact, and I was right about it. And when ultimately two days later or three days later, when I got back on Monday and it became national news my sister had died, did she send an email saying, I'm very embarrassed for saying that I'm very sorry for suggesting she didn't have a family emergency and that she was just afraid of me? No, she didn't. She wasn't sorry. She had made a fool out of herself and she's been avoiding me ever since. That's Kara Swisher's problem.

[Piers Morgan]

And just on Candice Owens, you've been very supportive of her, not critical, even though she. I would argue, and I have to her face, when I've had her on the show, I get on well with Candice, but some of the stuff she's been doing in relation to Erica Kirk, Brigitte Macron and others, I do think is really regrettable. Kind of conspiracy theory nonsense just for clicks and money. Why would you hesitate before criticizing her over stuff like that?

[Megyn Kelly]

I've criticized Candace many times over the years. We've had many public fights over the years. But isn't it interesting that you will quote platform Candace? She hasn't been on my show in several years, but I get all the hard time. Why am I getting there? You're the one, quote, platforming Candace Owens. She and I don't have that kind of relationship. Candace took a bunch of crap because she was very anti Israel in the Gaza war. And it became a thing where you had to say she was terrible in her positioning. And then after Charlie died, she started questioning whether Israel had any role in it. And that's when they really tried to amp up the pressure on me to condemn her. And I refused because Charlie was starting to have serious questions about Israel, not just its role in the Gaza war, but its influence on American politicians, something he and I spent hours and hours discussing. So I had no problem with Candace Owens asking those questions. And I refused to condemn her because I was under pressure from these people who wanted me to. And then that morphed into then everything Candace said thereafter with which I may or may not have had serious problems that I had to where's the condemnation? And it was all really about the Israel thing. And I'd rather die than bend the knee to these people. I'd rather die than bend the knee. It won't happen. I didn't raise my fist and say blm. And I'm not going to condemn the people they want me to condemn just so that I can get a little pat on their head, on my head from them. It's not important to me. What's important to me is I live free. And that, frankly, is what it means to be an American.

[Piers Morgan]

Megyn Kelly, that is precisely why I am so fond of you. Thank you very much indeed for coming on on censorship and giving me such a fantastic interview.

[Megyn Kelly]

Lots of love.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, joining me now is the host of the Daily Wire's Michael Knowles Show. Michael Knowles, Jack Posobic, the senior editor at Human Events, the alternative halftime show with Kid Rock, Glenn Greenwood, the host of System Update, and Mark Lamont Hill, host of BET News Panel. Thank you for waiting patiently. Megan had a lot to get off steam there. Let me start with you, Michael Knowles. This whole bad Bunny thing, I can't help but think that we've got to a place now in the United States where everybody's desperation to march to their tribal tune overrides any sense of reality or just staying calm and looking at something objectively. I watched the Bad Bunny show. I saw nothing problematic about it at all. I saw a Latino rapper at the peak of his powers, absolutely killing it in terms of the production. And he's the most popular artist in the world right now. He belonged there. He owned the stage. He didn't criticize anybody. It was a message of love, of unity, of marriage. I don't get the rage about it, Piers.

[Michael Knowles]

You didn't get it because the English and the Americans are two people separated by a common language. So I forgive you for your misunderstanding, but the problem with it was that Bad Bunny hates America. He doesn't just hate one president or some other president. He doesn't just hate some policy or some other policy. He is specifically irate over the enforcement of federal immigration law passed by both parties, enforced in history by both parties. And he has frequently thrown jabs at America, up to and including speaking a language that the vast majority of Americans do not speak at this performance. And then I think the key that he did not have good intentions here came at the end when he said the one fleeting little bit of English in the performance. He said, God bless America. And then he followed that up by naming a ton of Latin American countries. So when we hear God bless America, traditionally we use that to mean God bless our country. He was using this in an ironic way to say, you're not even America. And then he named Chile, Argentina, some countries that I do, like El Salvador, Cuba, you know, great cigars and all of that. He didn't even make America the final country. The apotheosis. He then went on to say canada. And then finally he said, and my homeland, Puerto Rico. So even though Bad Bunny's an American citizen, he made a point to clarify. He said, I don't really consider myself American. My homeland is Puerto Rico. It was just a thumb in the face of Americans, I think. And there were other problems with the performance. I agree. Some of the choreography was well done. But the question you gotta ask is, what is the super bowl halftime show for? Is it just for great entertainment? Is it just for musical prowess? Not really. The whole point of public games, going back to antiquity, going back to ancient Greece, is patriotism, is to support your country. And this ran totally contrary to that. That was obviously Bad Bunny's intention, and I just think he had no place there. He can go sing his songs, he can get lots of streams on Spotify, but that's not what the Super Bowl's for.

[Piers Morgan]

Martin Mont Hill. I mean, there are 54 million Americans who have Spanish as their first language at home. That number is rocketing year by year by year. So, you know, in 20, 30 years, it's quite likely that the United States will have as many people who have Spanish as their first language as have English, which, by the way, is my language. So the language thing in particular, I don't get. This is a guy who's the most streamed guy in Spotify history, I think, and he always sings in Spanish. That it every album he does, every song is in Spanish. There's nothing unusual about Bad Bunny singing in Spanish. And if 54 million people in America understand it, does it really matter that a few other people, like me, for example, watching from London, didn't understand what he was saying but enjoyed the show?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Well, that's exactly right. I mean, there are a few things here. First, you're right. 54 million people speak it as a first language. Tens of millions more speak it enough to understand it. So it's not as if he was speaking in some cryptic, indecipherable, obscure language. He was speaking in one of the most important languages in the world, and certainly one of the most important languages in the United States. But let's not pretend that Americans only enjoy music that they understand. I mean, half the people go to any white bar in America and let it get late enough. And Macarena, come on, I promise you, they will be dancing their asses off and they won't know a word of it. And guess what?

[Piers Morgan]

It's true.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Okay? Yeah. But performances aren't just about the language. It's about the dancing. It's about the set design, it's about the lighting. It's about all of the things that made that such a beautiful performance. You mentioned the wedding that took place, all these other things that took place there. I thought it was an amazing performance. I also just want to push back against this idea that Bad Bunny hates America. If Bad Bunny were to be someone who hated America, being from a colonized land of Puerto Rico, it would be understandable. But I don't want to conflate a principled critique of America or immigration or ICE with hating America. I have the same critique he does. Does that mean I hate America? Does everybody on the left hate America?

[Piers Morgan]

Yes.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm sure people on the right would say yes, exactly. But that becomes exactly, exactly. But that's what makes the argument so unhelpful for the bigger conversations. Because we position anyone who disagrees with American policy or challenges American power arrangements as being a hater. And that's the issue, not anyone. I think it was great. Okay, fair enough. But I think that conversation has become so expansive that it outlives its usefulness.

[Piers Morgan]

We just lost Jack briefly. We've got to take issue. We're going to try and get him back. Glenn Greenwald. It was a really interesting thing to watch it clean without having any social media reviews to look at. First I just watched it, you know, first thing I did this morning, I watched it and I really enjoyed it. And then I turned on social media and suddenly I had to hate it or I had to love it. But there was no middle ground. There was no nuance. There was nothing allowed. The President said it was the worst halftime show ever. Just objectively from a piece of theater, it's very hard to argue. Look, I think Michael Jackson did the greatest one ever, followed by Prince. Other people have different favorites, but as a piece of theater, I thought this was the best I've ever seen. It was so elaborate, so smart, so clever. And I didn't get a sense of hatred. In fact, quite the opposite. I got a sense of love and marriage and harmony and unity. And I don't even agree about the Americas stuff because, you know, the Americas are the Americas. And what's wrong with actually a Latino rapper acknowledging that the Americas go a little bit further than just the United States of America?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Exactly.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I think to me, that's kind of the heart of the matter. I personally didn't like the halftime show all that much. Just like I'm a musical perspective. It's not the music I like. I'm not of the generation that, you know, likes Bad Bunny. That's totally fine. I think the question is, why is everything. Why does everything now have to be put through this prism of this, like, existential right left culture war? We can't even have the same halftime shows anymore at the Super Bowl. Kid Rock is an extremely ideological and politicized figure. Had he been the host of the or the presenter of the super bowl, the main presenter, I assume that the American right would have been fine with that. Even though he's been extremely critical of American policy under Democratic president. Music and art of all kinds typically has a politicized component to it. We've had a ton of non Americans be at the halftime show before, like Rihanna and Paul McCartney and the who and Coldplay. That goes on. Here's an American presenter who's extremely successful. And I just think the problem is everything gets catastrophized into this, like, intense Culture where you can't just say, I like the show, where I don't. I like this artist, or I don't. The reality is he's a gigantic, extremely popular musician among tens of millions of Americans, arguably the most popular, one of the top five. And that's what the super bowl is naturally looking for.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. Jefferson, welcome back. We lost you briefly there, I got to say. You know, you were also instrumental in the. In the rival show that went up. I really enjoyed that, too. I watched all that in full as well, and I really enjoyed it. I love Kid Rock. I've interviewed him. I think he's a great character. But I think the point Glenn made there is perfectly made, which is, if he had been selected Kid Rock to perform the halftime show during a Democratic presidency, like, say, Joe Biden or Barack Obama, you know, he's on record as being virulently critical of all those presidencies. You know, would the same rules apply? You know, would the conservative right be happy with that? Or would they apply intellectual honesty and say, actually, it applies to our side, too? If you've been really critical of a president or a presidency, then de facto, you're criticizing the country, and you disqualify yourself from being able to perform the halftime show. In other words, I think there is an intellectual dishonesty here, and it's very tribal. And in this case in particular, I don't see how anybody who watched it with an open mind could not conclude it was just a very fun, entertaining 15 minutes, as was your show.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, yeah, I appreciate that. And, you know, I think part of this, too, is, you know, we want to make sure that we're comparing apples to oranges, because, you know, country music and rock music have not been featured at the super bowl in decades. And this was a key reason that when you looked at the show that we put on, you've got Kid Rock, who, you know, kind of straddles that bridge between rock and. He does little rap sometimes, certainly in his earlier stuff. And then he also has country music with his newer stuff, moving obviously now into Christian with his. His latest song, which is tearing up the charts right now, till you can't. That cover that he did added to it with the tribute to Charlie. And so this is a group of people, this audience of people, which, by the way, overlaps very much with the demographic demographics of who watches the NFL, who watches the Super Bowl. That has been completely underserved because for years, the super bowl, going back to 2019, signed a deal with Roc Nation. That's run by Jay Z is Megyn Kelly was talking about that a little bit a while ago. And they've completely rejected these type of artists. So country music, rock music, not shown. The type of music that middle America, average Americans, what they would refer to as flyover America. Stephen Colbert was attacking people the other day saying, oh, these are a bunch of unknowns. You can't even pronounce their names right. And then we got more views than he did. And by the way, the numbers just speak for themselves. It was the number one entertainment event in YouTube history, the number one U.S. livestream in U.S. history. Or, excuse me, YouTube history. Number one American event in YouTube history, number one English language live stream in YouTube history. So the numbers speak for themselves. There were a lot of people who switched over last night.

[Piers Morgan]

But why can't we just enjoy both? Why does it have to be politicized? Or as Glenn put it, catastrophized, where everyone races to be kind of virulent, when actually, what's there to be virulent about? I mean, if Bad Bunny had turned all political during the performance, I'd agree with you. It would have been inappropriate.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, he was politicizing it before that. He was the one who politicized it in the first place.

[Piers Morgan]

It wasn't the Grammy.

[Jack Posobiec]

The first time that Bad Bunny has played a Super Bowl. Right. He performed with Shakira back in 2019. When she was up on stage, you had, you know, smaller part, a backup singer. But he wasn't being political back then, so nobody really batted an eye. Nobody had a problem with it. And Shakira, obviously, she's, I think Colombian. Jennifer Lopez played there. She has a Puerto Rican ancestry and nobody cared. It was just a nice Latin music show. The point was that he was political all the way through his choice back, I think it was October when they announced him is really what drove so many people to say, you know what? I don't want to watch a show like that. We are going to turn the channel. We're going to put on something else. And we were able to really step up and meet that demand for something that's just pro America is in English, celebrates the country and by the way, reaches out to a group of people that have been overlooked for decades by the NFL.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Yes, Michael Knowles, to be clear, dude.

[Piers Morgan]

I mean, well, hang on. Was I just going to go to Michael? You know, I made this point to Megyn Kelly earlier is, in a way, he's the perfect American story. He was born in Puerto Rico, part of the United States. His dad was a truck driver. His mom was a teacher. You know, he wasn't born with any money or any privilege. He worked his way to the top. He worked hard. He got a break, he took it, and he's become the biggest star in the world. I mean, if you look at just his downloads on Spotify, he's number one. He's the guy. And therefore, he's earned his ticket to the Super Bowl. And frankly, if the criteria for super bowl performance is you can't be critical of any administration, then you're going to rule out almost everybody. You know, most of these celebrities, for better or worse, at some stage, criticize a president or a presidency. And it depends whether they're from the right or left, which one they do. But, you know, if we're going to be honest about this, I don't think that can be a criteria for deselection. Nobody wants them politicizing the actual performance. But if we're going to say, look, you can't be critical or politically active at all, Otherwise you can't perform, who's gonna be left?

[Michael Knowles]

Well, I agree with you, Piers, that Bad Bunny has benefited greatly from America. The problem is he constantly shows ingratitude, including during the performance. The very fact that he made this little joke at the end. He said, God bless America, but I'm actually gonna name all these Latin American countries, and I'll throw America in there somewhere toward the end, But I'm gonna claim Puerto Rico as my homeland, not America, even though I'm an American citizen. That is an expression of the kind of ingratitude that we were expecting from Bad Bunny. The fact that if we were supposed to have this great unifying performance, the fact that he sang exclusively in a language that most Americans, and certainly most super bowl viewers don't speak is offensive. That demonstrates an ingratitude toward the country. And even if he were talented and skilled, and I'm not saying that he is, I find his music awful. I'm totally with Glenn there. Even if he were talented and skilled, the super bowl halftime show is not some purely meritocratic event. We do it for a reason, and we do the super bowl for a reason. This is America's, not the whole hemisphere. A lot of the hemisphere likes soccer. This is America. Usa, baby. This is our main sporting event of the year. It's a celebration of America. The purpose of it is for patriotism. It would be nice if the audience were able to understand the music, and it would be nice if the performer didn't constantly express antipathy for the country. That I think you're right, has been very good to him. I just don't think he's been very good for the country.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Did you understand the music?

[Piers Morgan]

Donald Trump?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

You speak Spanish?

[Piers Morgan]

Hang on, hang on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm just asking now I want to.

[Piers Morgan]

Ask Michael a follow up, which is this. So when Donald Trump.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Can you just answer that yes or no?

[Michael Knowles]

What was the question?

[Piers Morgan]

Hang on.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Do you speak Spanish? Did you understand the music?

[Glenn Greenwald]

No.

[Michael Knowles]

I have Italian, a touch of French and Latin, but unfortunately Bad Bunny doesn't sing in any of my preferred languages. Esperanto would have been better.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, but did you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Criticize his talent as a. Go ahead, I'll come back to it.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, I can understand percussion and rhythm and, you know, melody even in another language, and that was all pretty bad.

[Piers Morgan]

But you understand.

[Michael Knowles]

It appears you're right.

[Piers Morgan]

I speak a bit of it.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right, but you understand that he's saying that he's a rapper and so the skill would be the lyrics. And you didn't understand the lyrics yet you're saying he's not skilled at his profession, which is writing lyrics.

[Piers Morgan]

Yes.

[Michael Knowles]

Music isn't. Isn't exclusive to a single language. It involves notes and chords and percussion. So you can understand those even.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me bring this, let me bring this.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Right, but that's not the point I'm making. You're being obtuse. He's being obtuse. What I said is his skill as a writer is to. I understand what music means, but what we're talking about was his writing. You said his skill, his express skill is writing music, it's lyrics. And you're saying you didn't understand his skill.

[Michael Knowles]

You inserted that because you tried to make a point that I refuted.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

No, what I'm saying is, I'm telling you what his professed skill is, what his articulated skill is.

[Michael Knowles]

He thought he was a dancer and a singer and a pop star. You're trying to narrow it to try to save your point. Right?

[Piers Morgan]

Look, look, no, I'm not trying to persevere.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I'm not doing that. I'm trying to make a point that.

[Piers Morgan]

You'Re not listening to. All right, Mark, Mark, look, let's just agree. Whether you like him or not, he's obviously a brilliant singer songwriter or he wouldn't be the most dream downloaded guy in the world. The point I would make to you.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Mike, he's saying he's not a great songwriter. That's the point I'm making.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, hang on, let me, please, let me ask a question. Which Is again, a question I put to Megyn Kelly. Donald Trump in 2016, on the campaign trail, played Ness and Dormer by Luciano Pavarotti at every single one of his rallies. He's played it at the rnc, Right. And it's all in Italian. I didn't see anybody leaping up and down saying, well, we can't understand it, therefore it's an insult to all Republicans. What's the difference?

[Michael Knowles]

Well, I think there is a difference between whatever Bad Bunny does and a 100-year-old beautiful Italian opera by Puccini. But even putting that aside, President Trump, what's the difference in the dorm at the end, a beloved song in America? Well, the difference is one is a much higher form of art and a much more beautiful song that is much more widely appreciated in America for 100 years. And that's the point I'm making, President. Even beyond that, though, this is an important clarification. President Trump plays this beloved song in a foreign language once at his campaign events. The rest of the events are in English. You know, I've been to some. And so had Bad Bunny done one number in Spanish or something, I don't think anybody would really be complaining about that. The fact that his entire performance at the apotheosis of American Sporting events excludes English, which is the language of the United States, tells us. What about Lady Gaga making a political point?

[Piers Morgan]

Lady Gaga, waggo. Lady Gaga sang her song in English.

[Michael Knowles]

That's true, But Bad Bunny did not sing in English. And so the criticism here is of Bad Bunny. I suppose there are other criticisms of Lady Gaga, but she was friends with Tony Bennett, so she gets a pass from me.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

So can I respond now?

[Piers Morgan]

I think. Yeah. I do think you're struggling a bit on this, I have to say, about.

[Michael Knowles]

No, not at all. You understand, Piers, the distinction is. Nessun Dorma is one a very famous popular song, but this is one small moment. A little cultural flavor, a little spice in President Trump's campaign events. The rest of it is in English, which is accessible, and he's promoting it. I'm not saying we can't have a little variety or exotic flavor in life, but it's kind of like the old melting pot imagery of America. If you put a little foreign spice in, that might improve your food. If the entire meal is just curry or something, it's gonna be a little too much. It's gonna be too many tamales in the pot is gonna ruin the super bowl performance.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Hey, Pierce, can I ask Michael a.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

Question that's really disturbing? And disgusting. I still haven't been able to respond.

[Michael Knowles]

Tamales are very disgusting. I agree.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me bring in Glenn quickly. Then I'm gonna turn to Scott.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Guy, if you look 20 years of super bowl presenters, huge numbers of them have been non American, going back, like, to the aftermath of 9 11, when we had the Rolling Stones and U2, Paul McCartney and the who, all kinds of groups that are not even American. And there's all sorts of other ones as well. And those are extremely politicized musicians, to say nothing of people like Madonna and others who have hosted halftime shows. I don't understand why. They are totally fine, these non Americans, these foreigners, these people who are highly politicized. And then suddenly Bad Bunny, who's an extremely popular artist among most Americans, maybe not everybody here, but among most Americans, that's why he's so popular. Hosting Saturday Night Live, a central figure to American entertainment and culture, is suddenly such a problem. Like, what is the difference between. I'm happy to explain and past musicians?

[Michael Knowles]

I'm happy to explain. So all of the foreign artists you're citing, can I jump in and respond.

[Mark Lamont Hill]

At some point, please?

[Michael Knowles]

Come from England. One second, Mark. Glenn was asking me a question. The one similarity that they all have is they all speak English. And our country, in fact, comes from England, so we have a shared cultural patrimony. And all of those artists are beloved in America. They're all libs, there's no doubt about it. But they're kind of polite about it. They're not in your face. They're not, for instance, pushing transvestitism and guys grinding on each other and attacking on race and federal law enforcement. They're not pushing that like Bad Bunny is. So I think it's just different in kind of Madonna's slightly deviant, sexual.

[Piers Morgan]

If I could point out the elephant.

[Michael Knowles]

I agree.

[Piers Morgan]

If I could point out the elephant as the token Englishman here. If I could point out the elephant in the room, which you've just hinted at. You don't even speak American. You guys speak English. You speak a foreign language, which is mine. It's my language.

[Michael Knowles]

We perfected that language, Piers.

[Piers Morgan]

That's the distinction, actually. In many ways, you've ruined it. And you know, you have Right. Whole fire panel, I'm gonna come back to you in a moment. I wanna be joined now by Professor Scott Galloway, whose new campaign, Resist and Unsubscribe, calls on Americans to cancel ties with a host of brands in protest against ICE and President Trump. Scott, welcome back to Uncensored.

[Scott Galloway]

It's good to be with you. Pierce. Glad to see you back in action.

[Piers Morgan]

Thank you. I would say fit and raring, but I basically hobbled up my high street for 20 minutes today, and that's the limit of my range, but I'll take it. Small acorns. First of all, do you have a view about Bad Bunny about this whole debate?

[Scott Galloway]

You know, I was in the uk, I didn't even watch the show. I saw clips of Bad Bunny. He's the most popular artist in the world. I just hope he had a nice time. I hope the fans had a nice time. And it's just sort of disappointing that everything has to digress into politicized argument. I hope. You know, my favorite commentary on the super bowl was from the account that's supposed to be Elmo, the Sesame street character. And that is that he hoped that both teams, both teams had a really fun time. I just don't. I just don't care. I'm glad the majority of America now under the age of 18 is now non white. The NFL was a brilliant move to bring on an artist that's the most popular person in the world. So people watched it, seem to enjoy it. It's not my kind of music, but I heard Tom Petty or George Michael wasn't available, so more power to him.

[Piers Morgan]

I didn't know much about him, but I gotta say, I really enjoyed it. But that's before I looked at social media and was instructed to hate it or love it. So let's get to what your campaign's about. Resist and unsubscribe. Now, for those who are not familiar with it, just in simple terms, articulate what the campaign is trying to achieve.

[Scott Galloway]

Well, I've been upset by some of the actions of the Trump administration, specifically as it relates to kind of a mass secret police, I think terrorizing American cities is how I would describe it. And I think action absorbs anxiety. So I've taken my modest footprint and asked people to resist and unsubscribe. If you look at where Trump has backed away from policies, it's not because of protest or even the courts. It's been when the markets respond. So when he backed away from the notion of annex in Greenland or away from punitive kind of irrational tariffs, it was when the bond market or the S and P collapsed. And right now only 10 companies make up 40% of the S and P. And those companies are highly dependent upon subscription revenues. So I wanted to send a signal that people have kind of this weapon hiding in plain sight, and that is their non Participation specifically to unsubscribe from big tech platforms. So I built a site, Resist and Unsubscribe where you can learn how to easily unsubscribe from different big tech subscription platforms. I'm getting about 100,000 unique sites a day. I think we're going to get somewhere between 300,000 and a million on subscriptions. But I want to send a signal to Americans that the most radical act in a capitalist society is non participation and that you have power to decide where you want to spend your money and where you don't want to spend your money.

[Piers Morgan]

Your money. Do you own stock in any of the big tech companies you personally?

[Scott Galloway]

I do. And I've decided I'm going to sell. I'm going to. I own stock in Apple and Amazon. I've started selling my Apple stock. To be honest, Amazon's a tough one for me because it was my big tech stock of 2026. I want to be clear, Pierce. I don't have perfect moral clarity around this. And I'm not telling people which platforms they should unsubscribe from or if they shouldn't go into work. I'm a guy like you who has some economic security. So I don't want to lecture. I don't want to be generous with other people's time or money. What I'm suggesting is that if like me, you go on, you can find out that you might have three Apple TV plus accounts. You didn't realize it that maybe you don't need three LLM subscriptions. I found out when I unsubscribed from Amazon Prime. I was a member of Amazon One Health and I'd been paying $200 a year for the last six years. Do you need two ride hailing programs? But I'm going to be transferring my assets out of Goldman Sachs into the RBC branch in Minneapolis. I am going to sell down my Apple and my Amazon stock. I'm going to try and lead by example here. But I want to be clear. I'm not perfect. I will still always opt for my economic security. But this. The people who take time on a Saturday to protest, the people who, who are registering people to vote, the people who have some people decide not to go into work. That's a real sacrifice. What I'm stating is the biggest impact relative to the amount of disruption in your life is simply to unsubscribe from one or more big tech platforms. Do you need six streaming media platforms? But circling back, yeah, I've begun selling down My big tech stocks.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me bring the panel back. Michael Knowles, what's your response to this campaign by Scott Galloway?

[Michael Knowles]

Well, I think it's a desperation play, particularly after President Trump won the popular vote. The popular vote, particularly on the issue of mass deportations and illegal immigration. Because what it sounds like the professor is doing is calling on people to punish tech companies not merely for supporting Trump or in some cases in any way supporting Trump, but because he rightly observes, they're propping up the US Stock market. And so the upshot of all of it is that the left wants to tank the US Economy in order to punish President Trump for the crime of having been elected by most American voters. I get it. You know, if my party had just been vanquished at the polls and if the other party had unified government, I might be trying to make these desperation plays, too. I think it's contrary to the common good. I think if the US Economy actually did take a serious hit, that would really hurt people, some of the people that the professor claims to speak for. I think it's unpatriotic, generally, but I kind of get it, because they've tried their electoral and political and legal means. They've tried to take out Trump 10 ways from Sunday, and it hasn't worked. So I guess the last attack is let's try to destroy Amazon.com?

[Piers Morgan]

Scott, your response?

[Scott Galloway]

Yeah, we don't know each other, but I can guarantee you there's almost nothing that's desperate about my life.

[Michael Knowles]

Two, not your life campaign is what I'm saying.

[Scott Galloway]

If you look at polls, I would argue that polls are not the president's friend right now. And what we have is probably the most unpopular president at this point in the presidency in history. And two, everyone has the right to decide where they're going to spend money and where they aren't. And we have a very fragile economy right now, which is 10 companies propping up the S and P and responsible for 70% of the earnings. And if somebody decides that they want to send a message to the administration and a message to the president and a message to these tech leaders who have been texting me how upset they are about these policies but not speaking out publicly, then I think that's their right. And I think you object to.

[Michael Knowles]

Professor.

[Scott Galloway]

Well, having a mass secret police shooting mothers in the face or denying a police.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Secret police.

[Michael Knowles]

You're referring to border police.

[Scott Galloway]

Stop interrupting me. I let you.

[Michael Knowles]

I'm just trying to let you prattle.

[Scott Galloway]

I let you prattle on with your trafe Let me finish.

[Michael Knowles]

I'm just trying to understand what you're attempting to say. Denying a person, referring to border control and secret police.

[Scott Galloway]

Denying a person's first, second and fourth amendment rights, putting tent bullets in him. A person, an ICU nurse.

[Michael Knowles]

You're talking about Alex, Freddie and Renee.

[Scott Galloway]

Good is taking care of veterans, bringing the chaos of the border to every city pretending having a mass secret police tariffs and they secret about economic success and are declining or hurting the prosperity of Americans. I think there's a lot to choose from here.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, so I wanted to clarify because you say that you're very upset and we need to tank the US economy in order to stop these awful.

[Scott Galloway]

I did not say we need to tank the U.S. economy.

[Michael Knowles]

You said you want to damage the companies that are propping up the US economy. So I'll just make the point.

[Scott Galloway]

I say it's your right to support, to not support companies.

[Michael Knowles]

You say it's their right, but you're calling on them to do it, so you're encouraging them. This is not a neutral action. You're saying that you want that to happen and you want it to happen because President Trump is deporting people. Not through a secret police, through a very public police, which is Border patrol and ice.

[Scott Galloway]

Obama deported more people.

[Michael Knowles]

Excuse me, Professor.

[Scott Galloway]

Obama deported more people passed by the.

[Michael Knowles]

US Congress and the laws that President Trump won the popular vote to enforce after years of lawless neglect by Joe Biden. That's what you're saying. And your example that you point to is when a woman drove her 4,000 pound SUV into an officer and he rightly shot her because of that, you're saying that this, this is justification to ignore the law, ignore the 2024 election and destroy the US economy. Real smart stuff.

[Scott Galloway]

So you believe. Well, there's just not a lot of common ground here, sir. You believe that woman was properly shot?

[Michael Knowles]

Absolutely.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

I think if you drive your car into a cop, you probably justified in shooting.

[Scott Galloway]

Let's agree. Let's agree to disagree. And if you want to support these firms, you can. I've decided not to.

[Michael Knowles]

All right. I think you've made an unpatriotic decision and I'm pretty certain you're going to fail, but it's certainly your right to try.

[Scott Galloway]

Well, I appreciate you granting me that right, Scott.

[Piers Morgan]

Just finally, I mean, I've seen what you said about this on your own website. The most potent weapon to resist the administration is a targeted month long national economic strike. A coordinated campaign that attacks tech companies and firms, enabling ICE to Inflict maximum damage with minimal impact on consumers. In sum, the shortest path to change without hurting consumers is an economic strike targeted at the companies driving the markets and enabling our President. Is there not a danger that if this is successful and there is a big month long economic strike, that it could precipitate a much bigger problem with the market and ultimately end up really damaging your average consumer? In other words, how do you control it if he starts going into free fall? If it did have huge take up, what's the control valve? How do you not become Dr. Frankenstein?

[Scott Galloway]

Well, I think it's pretty easy. I think when the president moves back from the kind of edge of fascism, when he stops this nonsense talk about annexing Greenland, the markets immediately recovered. When he decides that these irrational, sclerotic, very anti capitalist socialist like tariffs where we're alienating our allies, when the bond market crashes, he pulls back from that and the bond market recovers. So I think that any damage inflicted on these companies growth or on the markets could easily be walked back by deciding that okay, federal agents should not be wearing masks. I don't, I don't think it would be very difficult at all. One, I love that you're getting this movement, the credit that I hope it achieves. But like all of these other decisions, they've been easily walked back. I'm not looking for a change in government. I'm not looking for people to be imprisoned. I'm looking for some basic decency and a respective co equal branches of government and for him to listen to the US Populace who distinctly believe and clearly have stated that they think that these mass police actions have gone way too far.

[Piers Morgan]

Professor Scott Galloway, great to have you back on censor. Thank you very much.

[Scott Galloway]

Thanks Pierce. Good to see you back.

[Piers Morgan]

Let's go back to the panel. I actually want to move on to a different issue, which is the issue of the Trump meme that he posted around midnight which featured, well, we'll show a bit of it here, but it featured the Obamas as apes in a jungle, as cartoon apes. Now as we know originally the White House tried to explain this was part of a wider meme which it was, which featured a number of politicians in the jungle, although it was quickly pointed out there were no apes in the Jungle Book. So it didn't quite work. But it was part of a wider meme that was the original explanation with no apology or anything. But then as the backlash began to spread, not just from people on the left but also to Republicans, Donald Trump came out and said that actually it had been posted by a staffer late at night erroneously. It shouldn't have been done that he hadn't seen it. Now, as with all these things, let me start with you, Martin Lamont Hill, on this. As with all these things, I thought the best thing to do was to go and look at the original. Look at the original, which I did. The original clip which Trump reposted was 60 seconds long of which the Obama bit was the last three or four seconds. It is entirely plausible to me that Trump never got to that bit, that he saw the stuff at the start which was all about Biden and all these things he's been claiming about Biden's administration being hopeless and so on. It's quite possible to me that Trump, who hasn't got a great attention span, never got to it. It's also quite possible he's not telling the truth about the erroneous staffer and it was him that did it. We don't know. It's definitely a fact that the White House came up with one explanation and then he contradicted that with another. So I've seen the argument that obviously this people say this shows he's a disgusting racist and blah blah, blah. But do you accept the possibility that he just never saw it and that actually in the end, very late, they did delete it and they acknowledged it shouldn't have been posted?

[Mark Lamont Hill]

I can't imagine that the most thoughtful, nuanced, educated and curious president in American history, the most stable genius in the history of the US Presidency, didn't carefully read every single thing that gets posted on on Truth Social. I believe in his commitment to the job and therefore I'm willing to accept that he saw it. But let's say, however implausible it is, that he didn't see it, that a staffer posted it. My first question would be, well, what kind of staffers do you have who would have this type of judgment now? Everybody, Democrat, Republican, hires bad people. So I wouldn't hold him purely accountable for hiring a bad person, although I would suspect that the person he hired is not only bad but racist. But if that were the case, the next step would be to say, hey, I hired a staffer who did a really awful thing or not he himself. But perhaps the press secretary would say, hey, we made a bad choice, somebody did something awful, the president didn't know about it, we got rid of them yesterday and this is a non issue. In fact, he may even look like an anti racist hero. But instead they tried to convince us that we shouldn't believe what we saw with our own eyes. They convinced us that we misunderstood, that we were taking it out of context, that if we could only understand this movie or if we could only understand how media works. I mean, there are all these narratives coming not exclusively from the White House, but from other sources as well, that the problem was us, that our sensitive eyes and ears were the problem. And it was only after the backlash started coming from people like Tim Scott and others who said, look, even we think this is bad. We love kissing the president's butt. We don't think anything is racist. And we still think, I don't know, maybe you shouldn't put the Obamas as monkeys. It was only then that they were able to take this third tactic. It's the lying and the dishonesty and the misdirection that makes it hard to believe or trust any of it from them. And that's why I'm frustrated from this.

[Piers Morgan]

Jan Persobek. It's quite hard to know what to believe here, isn't it? Because of the changing narrative from the White House itself. And Mark raises a good point. If it was a staffer who did this erroneously late at night, given the obvious damage it caused to the reputation of the White House and the president, because it's blatantly racist, that part of that meme at the end, why is that person not being fired?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, look, Piers, I caught this a little bit late as far as everyone was going viral. And I didn't even realize, to your point, that it was at the end of a longer video, which, you know, I think anyone's been on social media long enough, they've probably had something like that happen where they post something where you watch part of it and you think, oh, this is great, I'm going to retweet it, I'm going to embed it. And then suddenly there's something that pops up at the end that, you know, you didn't intend to. I do kind of buy that that's probably what the explanation was as to what happened. You know, I probably think they just missed the end. It was one of those autoplay deals. But at the same time, you know, that being said, it, I would say that you gotta, you gotta tighten up the social media team, whatever that is, you know, so if this was a staffer, you gotta tighten that up. And certainly there's been turnover already in the social media team around the president, around the White House. Wouldn't be the first time. And as, as a staff that you do actually have to Overview what is getting posted on your accounts. You have to view what is going up, what is going out, because that's gonna ultimately reflect on your administration. It's going to reflect on your White House. And so if you're doing social media for the president, guess what? That's your job, first and foremost, your full job.

[Piers Morgan]

Glenn Greywald. I mean, like, I wonder how many people went and looked at the whole meme that was posted by Trump on his Truth Social. Because I do think it changes the potential context because it is 60 seconds long. The Obama thing just pops up out of nowhere, completely disconnected to what you've previously watched. It's almost like it's, you know, a conspiracy theorist. And it may not be a mad conspiracy, would almost suggest this has been done deliberately to trap the White House or trap Trump or trap people on the right to post this. Well, it could be. I've seen that positive. And it's not a mad idea. You put something right at the end of something they all love to look at, which is the earlier part of the meme absolutely. Is into the the Maga playbook about how awful Biden was. And then at the end, you put something in there very quickly which is incredibly racist and offensive, and you hope people don't notice, which it looks to me like they didn't. Do you believe, Glenn, that Donald Trump saw that bit of the meme, saw the Obamas as apes in a jungle, and still posted it himself?

[Glenn Greenwald]

I honestly don't. And the reason why I don't is because Donald Trump has been in public life for 10 years. He's obviously made a lot of statements that have been controversial, polarizing, lots of people found offensive, lots of people found racist. But this is a level of sort of bluntness and overtness. Just like, hey, I'm going to post a video that shows the Obamas as apes. That just seems unlikely to me to have appealed to Trump as something that he ought to post. There have been people who have isolated this video and seem to have demonstrated that it comes as kind of a continuation of the video into a next video, that it wasn't even part of the original video. But. And the fact that Trump took it down, that the White House took it down is the kind of expression of regret that you rarely see from Trump. I think indicating that this is a line that he would not typically have crossed if it had been something that he had actually seen and had registered. I absolutely believe it's something that he just didn't end up seeing. Despite the change in explanations the one thing I want to quickly add, though, is I do think that there has been a lot of kind of increased transgression when it comes to overtly racial themes in our discourse, in large part because there's been a lot of censorship, a lot of suppression, and that creates a backlash where people say, no, I'm going to prove that I can talk about this. And then the other thing is, there have been kinds of racist discourse from the other direction that are completely acceptable. There was a video circulating of a Democratic state legislature, legislators saying, we all, we minorities, all have the same oppressor. These are white people. We have to make sure we unify and take over the country and render white people a minority. And when you start to kind of ratify or endorse that type of racial discourse in one direction, I think the reaction is obviously going to be where, if that kind of racial discourse is allowed, we're not going to care so much about racist discourse from another group. And that's a big part of the dynamic here.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, I mean, Michael Knowles, just finally on this, I mean, I did see some people argue, and I thought there was merit to that argument, that people on the left think nothing of portraying Donald Trump as Adolf Hitler, who murdered 12 million people, including 6 million Jews, in a holocaust. I've seen loads of memes of Trump as Hitler and Nazis and so on. And, you know, I'm not comparing Nazism with racism, but they're both very, very, very offensive. And I have never seen the level of outrage about comparing Trump to Hitler that I've seen having the Obamas as aides, which is clearly a racist trope. You know, I don't think Trump saw it, but I do think it would have served him in good stead to have actually just said, you know what, this was done completely inadvertently. I didn't see it, the end of this. And I'm very sorry for the completely understandable outrage it caused. It was totally unintentional. It would go so far if Trump just occasionally did that, if he just accepted he screwed up, you know, and just he will never give an inch, and it's because he says the other side don't. But I just wish sometimes, as someone who's known him a long time, Come on, Donald, you can do it. Just say you screwed up and you're sorry.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, deleting the post, I think it wasn't giving an inch, but it was giving half an inch. And the fact that everyone on this panel basically agrees that Trump probably didn't see this, he probably didn't actually post this himself, I think tells you there's a reasonable degree of consensus on this issue. Obviously, the separate video with Obama's the monkeys, that was a part of a separate meme that came after, which is something we haven't talked about and it's worth pointing out. I actually, not only did I go watch the first video that Trump posted, which has nothing to do, it was clearly some kind of autoplay afterward, but I went to see the one that it referenced. And if you watch that whole video, yes, it's got all these Democrats of all racial backgrounds as various animals. But then I thought, okay, well, it's still kind of bad if only the black people are portrayed as monkeys, right? Even if you have other Democrats in there. But I looked and it's not true, actually. Joe Biden is portrayed as a monkey as well, and Hakeem Jeffries is portrayed as not a monkey. So it doesn't actually, in context, even break down along racial grounds. Obviously, it's distasteful. The president thought it was distasteful. He took it down. But, yes, that's actually a degree, I think, of grace and introspection that you don't really see from the other side, which, to Glenn's point, now has a state legislator going around saying that everyone needs to gang up and kill whitey. And the other side, which is called Trump Hitler, and to a large degree justified even his assassination. It was probably good for Trump to take it down, but this has been blown so tremendously out of proportion, they don't even recognize what the original meme was about.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, you know what it's like, all of these things. I just think people, they race immediately to the. As Glenn, I think such a perfect word to the catastrophizing of everything, that any type of nuance or attempt to understand these things gets completely obliterated in the race to be the one that can have the most savage critique. And I do. I just think that is the problem. And the trouble with it is that when people are actually deliberately racist, then it gets lost in the wash. You know, it's a bit like if you keep calling Trump a Nazi or Hitler, again, you're just diluting what Nazism was really about, which was extermination of 6 million Jews and 6 million more people. I've had this argument with people for years now. It's the dilution of people that really perpetrate this stuff. Focus on that. I think we'd all be a lot better for it. I've got to leave it there. The panel's been great. Thank you all very much. I really enjoyed that debate. Thank you.

[Michael Knowles]

Good to see you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Glad to see you back, Piers.

[Piers Morgan]

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