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Piers Morgan
Podcaster and Comedian Days tickets are definitely available. Smith Adam the Body Bag Sosnick his very last chance on Uncensored no one
Dave Smith
told me Adam was gonna be on this.
Emily Wilson
Why is Adam on the comedy panel?
Dave Smith
I just need a minute to gather myself.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Listen, I did stand up comedy in my 20s and I know funny.
Dave Smith
Well, you failed out of stand up comedy and Pete Davidson became a multimillionaire famous success. So maybe you're not in a position to determine whether it's good comedy or not.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
What's the funniest joke Pete Davidson has ever said other than that joke?
Dave Smith
Dave Smith, comedian Adam, you really are like one of the dumbest people who talks for a living.
Jay Dyer
We're all ignoring the wigger question because that's riding the line.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Who's this WLK right here?
Piers Morgan
I thought it'd be in the spirit of a roast to roast one other panel member.
Dave Smith
I'm gonna roast you.
Jay Dyer
Here's you a real wigger.
Piers Morgan
Woke is dead. And while I'm famously not a fan of self promotion or of saying I told you so, I did write a best selling book explaining why this week. Another case in point, the Roast of Kevin Hart, aired on Netflix on Sunday and has been debated breathlessly ever since. There was something to offend everybody. Racism, sexism, ableism, classism, sizeism, anti Semitism. A bit like one of our debates if you watch. From the standpoint of Ben Shapiro, it was by some margin more shocking than the kind of content which used to result in literal walkouts by woke left Netflix employees. The era of anything goes is truly back in full swing, it seems that doesn't mean everyone's enjoying it. Jokes about Charlie Kirk and George Floyd, for example, have sparked a heated debate about whether insult humor oversteps the mark and about the competing hypocrisies of the left and right. So can comedy ever go too far? And if the answer is yes, where is that line and who should get to decide? Regular viewers probably know my view. The line is wherever I decide, it should be often based on whether I personally like or know the person involved. And so for A change. I'm gonna let my comedy panel have their say. They each have a strong track record for making us laugh, in some cases unintentionally. Podcaster and comedian Dave Smith. He's back on tour in June. Tickets are definitely available, although I'm here running out quickly. Returning to Uncensored, Adam the Body Bag Sosnik PBD tells me this will be his very last chance on Uncensored, which I'm sure he would ask media personality Emily Wilson, host of the Emily Sage Qatar Podcast, and Jay Dyer. So welcome to all of you.
Emily Wilson
Why is Adam on the comedy panel?
Piers Morgan
Let's.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
I was a failed standup comedian. I was a failed standup comedian that got into finance and decided to focus on making money, which I know a lot of you influencers need to learn a little bit more about that, but. Happy to be here, Piers.
Piers Morgan
Well, hopefully we'll learn as we go along about comedy in the modern age, particularly this year. Because, Dave, as I said at the start, I wrote a book called Woke is Dead. And the premise of it was not that it was actually finished off, but the worm had turned about this kind of thing. And there can't be a bigger example, surely, than Netflix, which is historically been filled with many traditionally Woke employees who had protested numerous times about stuff, who on this occasion have allowed Netflix to air one of the most inappropriate, outrageous, shocking, shaming and all the other isms I recited earlier about absolutely everything shows imaginable. What does that tell us about where we've reached in the Woke trajectory?
Dave Smith
Yeah, I mean, it's been, you know, it's very interesting for me because as, as you know, Pierce, I'm kind of like a hybrid or what, you know, like I'm kind of in both the political and the com. Like I, I'm a touring stand up comedian, but when I come on your show, I'm not really coming on as a comedian. I'm also obsessed with politics and I like talking about this stuff. There's. Look, I mean, I've, I've watched this, I watched the whole rise of wokeism, its effect on comedy and the fall of it. And essentially what happened was just that the market spoke. You know, guys, like the best example I thought ever was when Shane Gillis got invited back to host and he's done it a couple times now, Saturday Night Live. I mean, literally the guy got fired as a cast member and then got brought in to host the whole show. And you know why? Because he was selling out stadiums all over the country. And like at a Certain point, Netflix and Saturday Night Live, they look at it and they go, well, we need the people. I mean, that's our business model. And because of. And we could get, like, a whole book could be written on this. But by the very fundamental nature of what wokeism is, it cannot be funny. It's impossible to be woke.
Piers Morgan
I totally agree.
Dave Smith
And so in the comedy world, when wokeism came in, everything became a lecture. Everything became about, like, making this point. And that's just the enemy of funny. And so you watched it come. Comedy Central was like when I was. When I started comedy. So I've been doing stand up for 20 years. When I started Comedy Central, the. The Comedy network in America had the Chappelle Show, South Park, Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn, the Daily show, and the Colbert Report. It was like some of the greatest comedy shows that have ever been made. And in the era of wokeism, they just produced, like, nothing and same. So essentially, yeah, I think you're right, Pierce. Wokeism still exists. The tides have turned, and it's now a super major issue to oppose it because it's stupid and it always has been.
Piers Morgan
Well, what I thought watching the Netflix special was that I used to watch a lot of those roasts. I remember them, and they were always completely outrageous, and they always involved incredibly shocking and outrageous jokes and deeply offensive. That was the whole point of being roasted. The roastee would be absolutely torn to pieces in the most shocking, personal, and offensive manner imaginable. And. And I remember there was a famous northern comic in the UK called Bernard Manning who was deemed too outrageous after the 80s to appear on television. But he used to sell out all his shows. And I went to see him in a working men's club, and he was completely hilarious, but shocking and outrageous. It would have fitted in very nicely to the roast kind of format. But when I interviewed him, I said to him, you know, he told jokes about everything, right? And they were all offensive and would have got him cancelled left, right and center if he'd done it in the last few years. But what he said was, I took a view. He said early on in my comedy career that I wasn't gonna make an exception for anybody, because the moment you make an exception, the moment you give one section of society a comedic pass from being offended by a joke, you never stop. In other words, once you say, right, I'm not gonna tell jokes about, you know, Jewish people or black people or whatever it may be. Once you eliminate one section of community from your target range, he said, actually, you're being Very exclusive, right? You're basically saying there's one rule for them and another rule for everybody else. And it made. It made sense to me then. This was back in the early 90s. I did this interview, but I thought of him when I watched the Netflix thing. Because, Adam, when I watched it, I was like, in a way, although some of the jokes I felt crossed a line. And I've said in the motto, I'm a bit hypocritical, honestly, about my humor. And it really depends who they're doing it to and how they're doing it. And I think I have to admit that and say I have a bit of an inconsistency on this. But it was refreshing that it seemed like all the restrictions had come off. It was no holds barred. Kevin Hart found the whole thing hilarious. Everyone who was the subject of a shocking joke laughed, whether it was Chelsea Handler or Lizzo or the Rock or whatever it was. I mean, Tony Hinchcliffe did seven minutes of it was literally jaw dropping. It was so offensive. But everyone was laughing. And then we comes to the crunch point, which is what I want to ask you, Adam, which is a joke that Pete Davison told. And it was this. Just watch.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Tony reminds me of Charlie Kirk in that he's definitely been on camera letting a guy unload in his throat.
Piers Morgan
So there will be a lot of people who will have found that crossed a line, that it was too offensive, that it's too soon after Charlie's murder. And you gotta think of his wife, his widow, his family, his kids, people around him who would have probably found that horrendous. When you heard that joke from Peter, which got a mixed response, but when you heard that, did you feel that crossed a line?
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Well, listen, Pierce, I did stand up comedy in my 20s and I decided to end up focused on making money. And that's how I met PBD in the finance world. And we started the podcast together in 2020. But I know funny what happened with me personally, and I'll get to Charlie Kirk because I knew Charlie Kirk very well, is I said, rather than being a stand up comedian and sleeping on friends couches, let me make some money. Ten years later, I made a bunch of money. I owned a stand up comedy club and I hired comedians. In fact, the biggest star on SNL, I found him when he was 19, Marcelo Hernandez, who has the number one show on Netflix right now. He actually works for myself in PVD at valuetainment. So I know funny I'm sitting in a van down by the river right now, sweating my tush off right here. Shout out to Chris Farley. I've been around funny people. In fact, you know Vinny o', Shauna, who's on your show, one of the funniest, greatest people who's about to cross 1 million in comedy. He's incredible. But there's also people who make their name in his career by not being that funny. Pete Davidson is one of them. Jimmy Kimmel is one of them. I'm not gonna go there and say Dave Smith is one of them. That's not what I'm gonna do. But the reality is Charlie Kirk was an absolute hero. And what's happening with him? People are literally taking their proverbial shots at him. The bottom line is this. Pete Davidson, name one famous joke he's ever made. I could tell you jokes that Dave Chappelle made, that George Carlin made, that every single comedian famously made. Chris Rock, right? Bring me the big piece of chicken. What has Pete Davidson ever done that's been funny? In fact, when your dating career is more in the headlines than your comedy career, you're probably not that funny. So it's just par for the course. But the bottom line is this. We need to stop being so offended in this country and realize that free societies love comedians, and that's where we are.
Piers Morgan
Right, but so you end with a little stinger at the end because it looked like you were going down a path of saying you thought Pete Davidson crossed a line. So do you think he crossed a line? And should Netflix have aired that joke?
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
I don't think there's any line you can cross. The market will speak. If Pete Davidson wants to start doing stand up comedy shows again and nobody shows up, let the market speak. I believe in free market capitalism. I don't believe in censorship. I don't believe in cancel culture. Even if you're unfunny. If we were canceling unfunny people, there's a lot of comedians that would have been canceled years ago, Pete Davidson being one of them. So there's no line to cross.
Piers Morgan
Okay. And Dave, I didn't get a chance to specifically ask you about it. So just very quickly, what did you think of that joke?
Dave Smith
It was hilarious. It was a great joke. I don't even, like, understand entertaining this conversation of whether it crossed the line. And as you pointed out, Pierce, Right, like it's. It just shows everybody's hypocrisy immediately because, like, the people who are outraged about the George George Floyd joke aren't outraged about the Charlie Kirk joke and vice versa. It's a roast. It's edgy comedy. And if you don't like it, then don't watch it. It's really that simple. And, you know, I mean, look, I'm. I'm friends with Pete or I, I was friends with Pete when we were coming up in comedy together. And like, again, Adam can have whatever opinion he wants on who he thinks is funny and who isn't funny. The bottom line is that millions of people love Pete Davidson and if he does go on a standup tour, he'll be selling out giant theaters. So, like, if you don't like it, that's fine. And he also was a hilarious joke.
Piers Morgan
He also does a lot of these roasts and he regularly has awful jokes told about his father who died on 911 and he laughs, et cetera.
Dave Smith
Right? But Piers. But it's all about, obviously, right, with comedy, it's all about the intention, right? Like the intention of anyone doing comedy is to try to get everyone in the room to crack up, laugh, right? That's the goal. Pete does it. The goal when Pete tells that joke isn't like to get people to walk out. It's to kill with. To make it as edgy as possible and still hit you with a big punchline. And that's it. That's the natural. That's the way comedy works. Discussion between the comic and the audience.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
I'll say that joke, the reason that we're having this discussion right now is because the joke was actually, in my opinion, Dave, you're entitled to yours. Not funny. It was completely offensive. Gay.
Dave Smith
Adam, couldn't you.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Sexual rhetoric.
Dave Smith
But Adam, couldn't you acknowledge. And I'm not trying to take a shot at you here. You failed out of being a stand up. Well, you failed out of stand up comedy. And Pete Davidson became a multimillionaire famous success from it. So maybe you're not in a position to determine whether it's good comedy or not.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
No, the fact that I owned a comedy club and I hired hundreds of comedians gives me the credibility to say,
Dave Smith
oh, my God, I know it's funny.
Piers Morgan
Funny.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
There is no opinion. I've seen people who sell out crowds. Dave, listen, let me speak. Dave, let me speak. You just spoke. There's no one's opinion. Relax, Dave. Let me at least speak. Okay, I'm just. Are you going to let me speak or no?
Dave Smith
I'm pretty. I'm pretty relaxed.
Piers Morgan
You start. Reality is all you do.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Okay, that's fine. That's fine. The reality is this the reason we're doing this show right now, because it really wasn't that funny. What's the funniest joke Pete Davidson has ever said other than that joke? Dave Smith, COMEDIAN I know a ton of. Exactly. He's never told the funny joke.
Piers Morgan
All right, let me bring in Emily. Emily Wilson. Emily, welcome back.
Dave Smith
One of the dumbest people who talks for a living.
Piers Morgan
Let me bring Emily back in. Welcome you back to the show. Emily, what did you think of that joke? Because the George Floyd joke, which Dave referenced was this was Tony Hinchcliffe who said, the black community is so proud of you to Kevin Hart. Right now, George Floyd is looking up at us all laughing so hard he can't breathe. And again, there were gasps, and then some people were laughing, some were clapping. Did you find that joke funny?
Emily Wilson
Well, yeah. Pierce, I can't be a hypocrite. If you recall, you were very upset about my joke about George Floyd that I had made previously. So, yeah, I do think it's funny. I also don't put George Floyd and Charlie Kirk in the same category. I thought the entire special was really good. I thought it was really funny. The only problem is I just didn't think that joke about Charlie Kirk was funny. I think he could have took that joke, used anyone else and a different scenario, and I did it.
Piers Morgan
Cross a line, then, for you.
Emily Wilson
Hate cleaning, Hate scrubbing, Hate dishwashing. Bro, we got you millions of videos about smart cleaning hacks. Will make your chores feel like a breeze. Download TikTok and check it out. A line that is supposed to be crossed. It's comedy. Do I think it's inappropriate? Yeah. Do I think it was uncalled for? Yeah. Do I think he could have done a better job? I don't think he's funny, and I don't think the joke was funny. You're comparing a guy who has children that are gonna grow up and see these things, whose throat got shot out, traumatizing millions of people around the world to like, I'm sorry, what's the politically correct statement? Blowing loads in the guy's throat. Those two things have nothing in common. It makes no sense. And I don't think it's funny.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Should.
Piers Morgan
Should Netflix. Okay, but should Netflix. You're perfectly entitled to find it funny or not. And as Dave said, there were lots of people that were cracking up, and there'd be other people who were outraged, but a lot of people felt Netflix shouldn't have aired the Charlie Kirk joke or the George Floyd.
Emily Wilson
No, Netflix should 100% air it. The irony of Netflix is how woke and sensitive they are. So for them to ironically choose to air the one thing that targeted the most loved conservative is such bullshit. I'm sorry, that's the hypocrisy of it all. I mean, obviously you have Ted Sarandos, who is a huge liberal, but I'm like, these are the same groups of people that were supportive of canceling Kevin Hart, that were also supportive of canceling Tony Hinchcliffe. But when it's aimed at a conservative, all of a sudden the rules go out the window.
Piers Morgan
I mean, it is interesting. I do remember Tony Hinchcliffe when he gave that speech at the rally for Trump just before the election. Outrage over some of the jokes he made then and calls for him to be canceled and so on. And they would be by a lot of people who would consider themselves woke left who have been oddly, a little bit quiet about what Netflix have done here. Let me bring in Jay Dyer. Welcome to Uncensored. Jay, what did you feel about not just the Charlie Curtin Joe, but also the George Floyd one, those two in particular?
Jay Dyer
Well, my first inclination was to feel that it was inappropriate. However, I remember the last time I was doing a standup event in la, I made the joke that we know what happened to the magic bullet in the case of JFK because it went into the throat of rfk. So I feel like that joke, which went silent to the entire audience. Thank you. That was silent for the whole. The audience didn't think it was funny. But then I realized inappropriateness is actually the part that makes comedy funny. So while it may be inappropriate, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be aired. And I'll have you know, Piers, the last time I was on, we were disagreeing about a certain word that that starts with the letter N. And I'll have you know, the black community has given me 23N word passes, and I have chosen, out of respect for you, to not use them on your show.
Piers Morgan
Well, that would be entirely a matter for you.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Go for it. Go for it.
Piers Morgan
Yeah, People could behave.
Jay Dyer
Didn't the mark.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Hold on.
Jay Dyer
So in the case of what you said about the PBD guy, didn't the market speak? In the case of Pete Davidson, you said let the market speak. Didn't it speak?
Piers Morgan
Well, you actually, to be honest, Jay Dyer raises an interesting point. Dave says, let me bring you back in here. If he decided to tell a joke right now, Jay Dyer, including the N word repeatedly, would you feel that crosses a line?
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
No.
Dave Smith
Personally, no. I don't. If you're talking about a joke, if the intention is to be funny, then I think he's trying to make people laugh. And again, people can have whatever feelings they want to about this. But can I just point this out? Because this is a very. Like, I've made this point a lot through the years of wokeism. But Pierce, imagine, let's say, because like, I grew up in Brooklyn in the 80s and 90s, and like, I've, like, I've been in a few project buildings in my day, and I don't know if anyone's ever like, hung with black people in the hood, but you wouldn't really characterize them as being sensitive, you know, like, that's not really the way.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
It's always like white straight from the hood right here.
Dave Smith
Liberals. It's kind of like white liberals in defense of black people will like, get very offended by this stuff. Just for example, let's say I had a really offensive joke, okay? Like a really edgy joke, and I were to go tell it on a job site, and I were to go tell it on a job site, and then I were to go tell it at an Ivy League university, Where do you think I would draw more outrage? We all know it's at the Ivy League university. See, the thing is that people who have been through some fucked up shit tend to laugh at some fucked up jokes. And people who haven't been through that are like, what are you doing? I'm offended on behalf of these people. A lot of comedy is like a coping mechanism with the tragedy of life. And this is the way we do it. We try to laugh at that. My. My grandfather was a Jew who escaped Nazi Germany and he loved Holocaust jokes. Like, life is complicated, man. And it's just. I don't think jokes.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Dave, you're the best at that.
Dave Smith
Okay, Adam, what are you trying to do here, buddy? Like, what are you trying to.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
I'm just saying those are good jokes. Good at the Holocaust anyway.
Dave Smith
Okay, Adam, okay, I'm giving you a compliment from last time. Okay? So anyway, there is. Yeah, I thought that's the rule. We're allowed to bring up previous debates where someone got destroyed, remember?
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Exactly.
Dave Smith
That's what you did last time.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
There we go.
Dave Smith
Okay.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Except I have one Goldman Hughes. So let's go.
Emily Wilson
That's what I'm curious about. But this is what I wanna know. Do you think if what happened to Charlie Kirk happened to a well known and loved Democrat, that they would be telling any of these jokes? Absolutely not. Also, if you're telling the joke is for the audience to thank you. And the whole point of the audience is to be like, this is hilarious. I'm a little just say unwell about the fact that the joke to the audience about getting his throat shot out, which traumatized millions of people, is like, ha, ha ha. But yet Shane Gillis was like half the time getting oohs when it came to race, women, Jewish jokes. And I'm like, so they feel way more comfortable laughing about him. And they wouldn't say that about a Democrat. They just wouldn't.
Piers Morgan
Well, I certainly think it's true. I mean, had you had it.
Dave Smith
Had you had ourselves.
Piers Morgan
Well, had you had a big leading liberal Democrat figure assassinated like Charlie Kirk was, I don't think for a moment Netflix would have aired that joke about that person. So I suspect there is a double standard. Notwithstanding the fact that Netflix, in many people's eyes, deserve credit for sort of barreling through the woke period and saying, right, we're put this on our platform. Right, with all its outrageous stuff.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Pierce, I think you're making a good point. I think Emily made a great point. And who said that women can't be funny? Look at Emily. Save America right now. But I'll tell you this. Let me just shift the conversation. I think we should stop being so offended by jokes and be offended by the people who actually committed the crimes. The Tyler Robinsons, the Luigi Mangiones. Okay? I don't think the ayatollah or Nazis are that funny. We should be outraged at those people, not people telling the jokes about the people that were assassinated by these people. So Charlie Kirk was an American hero. It's a shame to see how he's sort of a punchline at this point. But I believe in a free society. I believe in the free exchange of ideas. And even though I'm disgusted by the joke, he could say it all day, every day. Pete Davis.
Piers Morgan
Well, look, it's interesting. I mean, if you look. If you look at. Let me just say what George Floyd's family said by way of response. For example, they responded through a spokesperson saying that Hart's decision to allow Tony Hincliffe on stage was sad for the culture, arguing that Hart should have stepped in before the joke landed. Given Hinchcliffe's history of making similar remarks at other events. They said, we're trying to rebuild things for our community and make things better in our community. Let's try to be a little bit more positive and not sit up there during doing colon inspections by white comedians.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Pierce, who Said that quote, if you don't mind.
Piers Morgan
This was the George Floyd family.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Okay.
Emily Wilson
Why do we care what George Floyd's Floyd family says about anything?
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Yeah, why are we worried about their family?
Piers Morgan
Well, George Floyd was killed by a police officer who's now serving.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Oh, the hero George Floyd Floyd, the innocent angel who society.
Piers Morgan
Exactly. Well, the police officer was found guilty of deliberately killing him. So, you know, you can have your own view about it, but his family are entitled to take a view that they have in the same way that Charlie cooks. You know, it's interesting to me, Emily, you're, you know, you're outraged about the Floyd family having any feelings about him, who was, who was killed by a police officer, but you're equally outraged the other way about the Charlie Kurt joke because you feel like he should be.
Emily Wilson
George Floyd overdosed. It was in the autopsy. The policeman did everything he was supposed to. The other policeman threw him under the bus. When you go through the training and all the legal stuff, I thought we had been over this and reached like a normal statement. He was a career criminal and he was a horrible person. And I don't care what him or his family that's happy to get money has to say about it.
Piers Morgan
Well, I don't think police. Police officers should go around. Let me pick up kneeling on people until they die.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
I think Emily, I think Emily is partially right. Everything she said. I don't care about George Floyd. I think the bigger picture is this. We're comparing Charlie Kirk with George Floyd. Let's just sink that in for a second. The fact that these two names are on the same page is hilarious and it shows how ridiculous society has become. The greatest person on the right, the conservative that led the movement to helping Trump get elected on colleges versus a career criminal, drug addiction. This is the parallel. Stop it, guys.
Piers Morgan
Let's grow up a little bit, okay? Let me ask Jay this story. This was Kevin Hart defending the concept of a roast on social media.
Kevin Hart
That, my friend, is what the fucking roast is supposed to be. It's goddamn hard hitting, relentless jokes of no consequence. It's the concept of a roast. You go hard or you go home. No emotion, no fucking feelings, man. It's not what a roast is about. Leave the emotions and the feelings at the front fucking door. People are coming in and they're looking for the shock factor.
Piers Morgan
You know, that's the guy who was the target of most of the jokes. And like I say, when I watched it, the atmosphere in the room was very much like they're all sticking into Each other. All bets are off. There's no limit. You can say whatever you like and everyone was having a good time. But the reaction of people who weren't in the room has been different in many cases. Should there be no line? I mean, you know, you raised a point about the use of the N word. Nobody would do that on a high profile television show, radio show, podcast, or anything else. You just wouldn't hear it, right?
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
You wouldn't hear it unless your name's Nick Fuentes.
Jay Dyer
Well, you wouldn't hear it unless you're black.
Piers Morgan
Well, well, yeah, but I'm talking about white do that high profile white people wouldn't because they would believe it crossed a line. So there is a line there, isn't there? But it's a question of how far that line goes.
Jay Dyer
Exactly. And we're all ignoring the elephant in the room, which is the W question. We could talk about the jq. We've got Jews here. We could talk about that. But what about the wq, which is the Wigger question? Because that's riding the line. And as a representative of the Uighur community, in fact, many people think that I'm kind of the emperor of wigs anthem. I think that's a great segue. If we start using the word wigger, if we accept wigger culture, we can then transition into the normalization of the full on inward, and then everyone will have an inward pass. Then we're done.
Dave Smith
Then.
Jay Dyer
Then we really have free speech.
Piers Morgan
Okay, I get the point you're making.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Who is this wlk right here?
Piers Morgan
No, no, I. I get the point you're making, but Dave Smith, is there no line? I mean, should.
Dave Smith
Well, if you were listening about this,
Piers Morgan
listening to this debate, it seems like if there's no line, there's no line. But there is. There are lines. So we know that it's a bit like. It's a bit like the First Amendment. You know, everyone thinks it's protective of all speech, but it's not. There are limitations. But if you listen to the first half of this debate, you'd say, well, these guys don't think there should be any limit on a joke, so why is there a limit on using the N word? For example?
Dave Smith
Okay, I. Okay, here. I mean, look, I think it's kind of subjective. Like in the same sense of saying whether you think something's funny or not is kind of whether you think a joke's funny or not. You're right, I guess, because to you, that's what it is. I will say this okay, Pierce, there is one joke ever that I've been genuinely offended by. I think this is 20 years in stand up comedy. There's only one joke I was ever genuinely offended by, and it was when Barack Obama got on at the White House correspondent dinner thing and he made a joke. He said, sasha and Malia are now old enough to date. I have two words for you boys. Predator drones. And I remember being like, yo, dude, you can't joke about that. Like you actually murder people with. That's the joke that, like, hey, people get murdered by my predator drones. Like so in that sense, I. That's the only time I've ever been offended by a joke. You'd have to be an actual murderer who was joking about the murders that you commit. I think that's over the line. Aside from that, Pierce, No, I don't really think there is one. And if you listen again, you don't have to watch the show. You don't have to go to a comedy club. You don't. If you're offended by it, you're not wrong. It's just then it's not for you. But if we want to have a free society, then, yeah, people have the right to do it, including using any word out there. Yes, people don't have a right to initiate violence or incite violence against other people, but they have a right to make whatever joke they want to. And if there's an audience that finds it funny, then God bless them. That's what being in a free society is all about.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Yeah.
Piers Morgan
Adam, do you agree with that?
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Yeah, look at us agreeing, Dave. I thought the Obama thing is. I mean, that's his own thing. I'll let him deal with that. But I agree with Dave. It's a free society, free speech. You know what I used to say when I did stand up comedy? Cuz I did some racial jokes. Blacks, Jews, I live in Miami, Latinos, Cubans, I would do accents. I said, the one thing is this, it's not racist if you make fun of everybody. If you're just like, you know what? The only people I hate are Mexicans. It's like, all right, now you're just a racist. But if you're an equal opportunity employer and you're judging comedy baradunt based on merit, there's no racism. Anyone can say whatever they want to say. If you're just an equal opportunity, would
Piers Morgan
you do okay, But Adam, would you do it on the PBD podcast? Would you tell, as Shane Gillis did, he did some Jewish jokes, would you Tell genocide jokes? Would you tell Holocaust jokes? In other words, you know, would you do that on your own platform? Or are you saying this because you think it sounds good as part of a debate like this, but actually when it comes to your own platform, you would be more self policing.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Time and place. Piers. There's things that I will say and that won't cross a certain line. Pbd. If you know anything about pbd. High standards. Let's get this thing right. He's one of the. He's a leader amongst leaders. He doesn't play that game. And he's helped me raise. Raise my standards and raise my game. Same with Vinny. Same with Tom. Shame for everything that we're doing in valuetainment at bed. David. Consulting. High standards. High standards. High standards. But that's different from me listening to a joke out in the public atmosphere. So, no, there's things that I won't say. I won't say the N word. I won't cross certain lines. I think that's low brow. But I'll defend your right to say it or be unfunny and deal with the consequences of that. So in essence, yes, I'm agreeing with the comedian Dave Smith in this regard.
Piers Morgan
I think we now have our headline which will go viral. I agree with Dave Smith says Adam Sosnik. All right, Emily, what do you think of me?
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
You're actually trying to be funny today, so I gotta give you credit.
Piers Morgan
I'm naturally funny, mate. Well, I don't understand. Cause the British accent is all the
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
funniest line of the name.
Piers Morgan
We have an advantage. When you have a British accent, you're naturally hilarious. Everybody knows that in America.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
I don't know about that.
Emily Wilson
Okay, so we're saying that we all agree that there shouldn't be a line, but at the same time, there will always be a line for white people because you can have black comedians go on and say whatever they want or pretty much everyone else. But a white comedian could never go on and say the N word because they would legitimately lose everything. They'd be canceled. They would not have a way to make a living. So it's like we're all saying that there shouldn't be a line, yet we all know that first I would say specifically white people, there will always be a line and that line won't go away. I would also like to point out the hypocrisy of. Everyone on that stage is a Democrat. There wasn't really any huge Republicans on that stage. And I'm like, but those are the people who have pushed for censorship, who get offended everything, who said we can't make jokes. These are the same people that killed Hollywood, killed comedy. And now all of a sudden they're like, you guys, we're back. Don't get butthurt.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Yeah, I'll give you one caveat. Katt Williams. I don't know where Katt Williams is these days. That was the storyline that got lost through all of this. Pierce, I'm not sure if you're following what happened with Katt Williams and Kevin Hart. Are you familiar with that drama and that saga?
Piers Morgan
Yeah, of course.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
And that beef? Do you know about that?
Piers Morgan
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Okay, so it was great to see that them squashed their beef. And just like me and Dave Smith, we can get along in the spirit of comedy, even if you're perceived as enemies. Look at that. Shout out to Katt Williams and Kevin
Piers Morgan
Hart pretending to be friends in this.
Emily Wilson
Okay, so can Republicans be comedians now?
Piers Morgan
Well, I think everyone can be comedians. You know what? Funny enough in all the debate about things like Jimmy. Apparently not in all the thing about Jimmy Kimmel's jokes about Trump or whatever it may be, or the Charlie coat one he did, which got him into big trouble. I did remember thinking that I admired the intellectual honesty of people like Ted Cruz who refused to join in the conservative demands to fire Jimmy Kimmel over a joke because he said, we have complained about the woke left doing this to us for years. Are we really now going to turn around and when we don't like a joke, we're going to call for that person to be canceled? I admired that. And there were quite a few that did that, but there were others who didn't. I mean, Ben Shapiro has led. He's had a difficult few weeks. Ben Shapiro, from what I've been reading. But he, he said this about the. About the Charlie Kurt joke in particular.
Ben Shapiro
The Coke has done its work.
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Ben Shapiro
for the ones who get it done with Pete Davidson. That. That is a horrible joke. I gotta say. I'm not here to. To scold people for. For telling jokes. I Making a gay oral sex joke and a Charlie Kirk being shot to death joke in the same joke. That is. That's a new low. I'm not sure that I've ever heard a joke quite as bad as that joke right there.
Piers Morgan
So, you know, he's making his point about the jokes. But what was interesting is if we go back to that joke I referenced about Tony Hinchcliffe at Trump's Madison Square Garden rally, I actually went to that. It's the only rally I've ever been to. Let's take a look at what he said that day.
Emily Wilson
There's literally a floating island of garbage
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
in the middle of the ocean right now. Yeah, I think it's called Puerto Rico.
Piers Morgan
There was absolute outrage about that. And yet Hinchcliffe, seven minutes in this roast on Netflix, was infinitely more offensive to infinitely more people. And there's been nothing like the outrage. And that's the bit, I think, Jay, where I look at this and go, there remains just a weird inconsistency, double standard, intellectual dishonesty about this whole thing.
Jay Dyer
Well, in the words of Katt Williams, Piers Morgan, ain't nobody going in my booty hole. Not an alien or not.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
This guy. This guy deserves his own special.
Piers Morgan
Listen. Well, I was going to ask you all, actually, given he's funnier than you,
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Dave, and he's not even a comedian. This guy's good.
Piers Morgan
In the spirit of a roast, then if I give you.
Dave Smith
I'll give you the line. I'll give you the line. I'll give you the line.
Jay Dyer
For this is you look at. There's a trend right now on Tick Tock where you got teenagers and they're sort of mimicking the assassination of Kirk. Right. So when the left does a lot of these jokes and it's. I grant that it's hard to usually tell intention. They are actually at times trying to spark people to be violent. We all remember Kathy Griffin, right? She was saying, I wish people would do.
Piers Morgan
Yeah.
Jay Dyer
Donna says, you know.
Piers Morgan
Yeah.
Jay Dyer
People do this because they know that lunatic leftists will pop off because they're inspired by their God, the media that tells them what to do. So I think that might be a line if we were trying to find a line.
Piers Morgan
Okay, look, given there's no holes barred on this show and we're called uncensored, I thought it'd be in the spirit of a roast that all of you could have this opportunity to roast one other panel member in any way you see fit. And that's how we'll end the show. So, Dave, Smith, what do you want to say about Adam?
Dave Smith
There's nothing left.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Give it to me good.
Dave Smith
I don't, I didn't. I left nothing behind, man.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Come on, Dave, you're a comedian. Give me something good, baby. David, you're. You're on the spot. Dave Smith, come on.
Dave Smith
I, I'll use, I'll use my spot. Nothing but, nothing but kindness and love. Patrick. Bet. David valuetainment. Love all those guys. Great show.
Piers Morgan
Adam, do you want to. You want to roast?
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
He got the call. Pierce. He got the call. Bibi Netanyahu called him and said go easy on the guy today. He got the call. Check it. Check his bank account for 7k.
Piers Morgan
Piers, have you got anything you want to roast Dave about?
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Listen, Dave, I respect the fact that he gets on there. It takes the fact that he gets on there debates. I'm not going to go there and say the same line that why does this guy call himself a comedian? All he does is talk politics. People say he's the unfunniest comedian in America. I'm not going to go there. He's a spirited debater and I'm happy to be here. And it's good to see even a funny person who identifies as a woman named Emily. Cause who says that women can't be funny? So thanks for having me, Piers. You even were kind of funny today, Piers.
Piers Morgan
Thank you.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Even though you're British.
Piers Morgan
I appreciate it. Emily, do you want to roast anyone?
Emily Wilson
What the fuck? What did you just call me? Did you call me a different woman's name?
Piers Morgan
I called you Emily.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
I said you're Emily.
Emily Wilson
No, I'm talking about Adam. You said my last name wrong. Anyways. No, I think the biggest.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
I don't know your last name.
Piers Morgan
I think you may.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Here's your chance to be funny. Don't start arguing with the dude.
Emily Wilson
Not argue with it. I'm trying to say, I think the whole point of this is it's very hypocritical. If there's any violence or jokes made against the right, it's completely fine and justified. But when we go make a, you know, Kevin Hart makes a gay bashing comment and he makes a Puerto Rico comment, they're up in arms, they're allowed to do tiktoks to Charlie Kirk assess.
Piers Morgan
I think you've made that point. But is there anyone on the panel you want to give a little sly roast to?
Emily Wilson
Well, I don't know any of these people well enough to roast them.
Piers Morgan
That doesn't matter.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Come on, Emily, give us something good, baby. Give the wigger a chance. Give the wigger a chance.
Emily Wilson
I'm a comedy panel and no one has been very funny. So I don't know what to tell you.
Piers Morgan
All right, well, let's go to Jay. Jay, you've had a bit of time to think about this. Do you want to roast anyone?
Jay Dyer
I'm going to roast you.
Piers Morgan
Great. Yeah, you're welcome.
Jay Dyer
So since you're offended, since you're offended by the N word, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna say here's you a real wigger.
Piers Morgan
Thank you. I heard the W loud. I heard the W loud and clear. I'll tell you what I'd like to end with actually, because it did strike me as hilarious last night when I saw the picture for the sad demise of Stephen Colbert. They brought together all the other late night hosts, Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, John Oliver, and Jimmy Fallon. And I thought, what a striking advertisement for the DEI that they all love to preach about these guys. Oh yeah, there are five middle aged white dudes, liberal Trump haters, not a diverse or inclusive face amongst them. Sometimes real life, sometimes real life is funnier.
Emily Wilson
What a diverse group of people. And they're all millionaires.
Piers Morgan
I know. It shocked me as very fond of
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
the fan shame that Jimmy Fallon also,
Piers Morgan
you know, the one who wasn't invited was Greg Gutfeld from Fox who beats them all in the ratings and he wasn't invited.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Well, Pierce, based on your comedy skills, you should have been the oldest white guy in that picture right there. Part of that crew right there. But it's a damn shame to see what happened to Jimmy Fallon, cuz he's legitimately talented, legitimately funny, and he's looped in with these middle aged white guys who are completely unfunny. And the leader of the unfunny is by far Jimmy Kimmel. I shouldn't cancel that guy, but that guy's a hack above all.
Piers Morgan
Well, the sad thing I always feel. And we got to end, unfortunately. But I just, I interviewed Jay Leno recently. I just remember thinking in the great old days of Carson or Leno or Letterman, whatever, it just felt a little bit warmer. They would use like sharp comedy, but about everybody. They weren't so obviously partisan politically.
Dave Smith
Yeah, they didn't hate half the country.
Piers Morgan
Right. And I think that's been one of the real problems behind why America's so divided is that all the late night guys, with the exception of Gutfeld, but all the late night guys, they all do. But Fallon doesn't do it really like the Others, but they just seem to think their job is to. Is to loathe half the country. And anyone who voted Trump has to be mocked and ridiculed and the Trump bashing has to be relentless. And I actually hanker for the days when you had Leno, Letterman, Conan, these guys where this wasn't their shtick at all.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Come on, Pierce, you're old enough. You're Johnny, Johnny Carson's age. You remember that. You remember what's going on. Bring back Johnny Carson.
Piers Morgan
You never knew Johnny. You never knew Johnny Carson's politics ever. He never, he never told George Carlin
Emily Wilson
talked about super controversial stuff, but he still was, like, loving in general, knowing.
Piers Morgan
I always think you can be very controversial. I mean, I'm very opinionated, but not in a politically partisan manner. And it wouldn't cross my mind to say something which would alienate deliberately half the people watching if they vote Trump or whatever. Why would I do that? I might be critical, but I'm not gonna say like Hillary did. You're a basket of deplorables. I don't understand where that part has all come from. Anyway, guys, you're not a basket of deplorables.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Pierce, why don't you roast some people on the panel? Since you're so funny right now, why don't you roast some people on the panel? All of us?
Piers Morgan
You are a basket of delightful human beings and it's my joy, my war.
Emily Wilson
The country is healing.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Let's go.
Piers Morgan
Adam. It's great. It's great to see Adam, it's great to see you come out of the body bag, mate. It really is.
Jay Dyer
Emily saves money.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Thanks, Pierce. Great to see you out of the morgue as well.
Piers Morgan
Well, my name is Morgan. Where else would I be? Good to see you all, guys. Thank you.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Back from the dead, him and Johnny,
Piers Morgan
I think you saved yourself. PBD can look proudly on your performance and say it doesn't have to be the last. Thank you all very much, guys.
Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik
Thank you, sir.
Dave Smith
Take it easy, Piers.
Emily Wilson
Thank you.
Piers Morgan
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This episode features a fiery and irreverent panel discussion on the limits of comedy, "wokeism," and the boundaries of offensive humor, with special focus on the explosive Netflix “Roast of Kevin Hart." Host Piers Morgan is joined by comedian Dave Smith, media personality Adam 'The Body Bag' Sosnik, podcaster Emily Wilson, and cultural commentator Jay Dyer. The group candidly debates: Has “woke” ideology in comedy come to an end? Should there be any line comedians dare not cross? Does "offensive" mean "wrong"—or is the market the ultimate judge?
[04:12] - [06:12]
Dave Smith, 05:19
“He got fired…then got brought in to host the whole show. Why? Because he was selling out stadiums all over the country.”
Dave Smith, 04:40
[07:12] - [29:44]
Adam Sosnik, 10:42
Dave Smith, 11:56
Emily Wilson, 15:03
Jay Dyer, 17:42
[16:36] - [24:45]
Emily Wilson, 32:34
Dave Smith, 19:43
Emily Wilson, 21:04
[25:27] - [41:21]
Kevin Hart, 25:27
Jay Dyer, 26:53
Dave Smith, 28:06
"There are things…that won't cross a certain line…But I'll defend your right to say it or be unfunny and deal with the consequences."
Adam Sosnik, 30:48
[37:01] - [39:20]
Adam Sosnik, 37:48
Emily Wilson, 39:20
Jay Dyer, 39:33
[40:24] - [42:13]
“You never knew Johnny Carson’s politics…He never told.”
Piers Morgan, 42:01
Dave Smith, 41:18
| Segment | Timestamps | |------------------------------------------------------|-------------------| | Panel Intro & Episode Theme | [00:39]-[01:25] | | Defining the “Line” & Woke Comedy’s Demise | [04:12]-[06:12] | | Netflix’s Roast of Kevin Hart, Roasts & Outrage | [06:12]-[11:12] | | The Pete Davidson/Charlie Kirk Joke Debate | [09:02]-[13:21] | | Response to George Floyd Joke, Hypocrisy | [15:03]-[21:44] | | Intent, Audience & Offense in Comedy | [17:42]-[24:45] | | The Role of the Market in ‘Cancel Culture’ | [09:31], [11:26] | | Intent v.s. “Line Crossing” in Comedy | [25:27]-[30:48] | | Racial Boundaries, Language, & Meta Commentary | [26:34]-[32:00] | | Comedy’s Political Divide/Late Night Critique | [40:24]-[42:13] | | Panel Roasts Each Other | [37:01]-[39:20] |
| Panelist | Line in Comedy? | Offense Tolerance | Market or Censorship? | |------------------|-------------------------|---------------------------|--------------------------| | Dave Smith | Almost none, except real murder | High (except war jests) | Market decides | | Adam Sosnik | Supports no external line, but self-polices | High, dislikes Pete Davidson’s material | Market decides but avoids “low-brow” | | Emily Wilson | Political double standard; personal lines | High but opposes hypocrisy | Air everything | | Jay Dyer | No line—transgression is source of humor | High—even on racial terms | Market decides | | Piers Morgan | Self-admitted hypocrisy; case-by-case | Offended by some, values intent | Panel (and Piers) debate |
This episode dives directly into the hottest questions about the culture war in comedy: Should anything be off limits? Is “woke” censorship dead? Or are some targets always “protected”? You’ll enjoy heated roasts, smart arguments, and enough pointed barbs to make even the most serious listener crack a smile—or wince. The episode perfectly exemplifies why Piers Morgan Uncensored is a home for bold conversation.