“P*SSIES Shot Him DEAD!” ICE Debate Feat Tim Miller, Brian Tyler Cohen & Jonathan Fahey

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: Piers Morgan Uncensored
Episode Title: “P*SSIES Shot Him DEAD!” ICE Debate Feat Tim Miller, Brian Tyler Cohen & Jonathan Fahey
Release Date: January 28, 2026

Main Theme

This fiery episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored dives into the controversy surrounding the police shooting of protester Alex Preddy in Minneapolis, the broader conduct of ICE agents under Trump’s administration, and the cultural/political trust crisis it ignites. The panel—host Piers Morgan, guests Tim Miller, Brian Tyler Cohen, Jonathan Fahey, and Brandon Tatum—trade heated arguments about law enforcement, Second Amendment rights, protest, the concept of masculinity, hypocrisy regarding immigration policies under Trump and Obama, and the erosion of trust in public institutions.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Alex Preddy Shooting: Fact, Spin, Outrage

Timestamps: 00:00–15:00

• Initial Outrage:

  • Piers Morgan (00:26): “The masculine guy was the guy standing up for the woman, doing what men should do. A bunch of pussies shot him dead.”
  • All panelists agree that the incident and its official narrative have become a lightning rod for wider issues of trust in government and media.
  • Footage of the shooting shows Preddy appearing to defend a protester woman and being subdued and shot by ICE officers—sparking conflicting interpretations.

• Trust in Institutions:

  • Jonathan Fahey (00:45): “The biggest dividing line in politics and in culture is no longer right or left. It's...trust. Do you believe this person is honest? Are they authentic? Are they telling the truth?”
  • The Biden and then Trump administrations’ handling of narratives is slammed as “gaslighting” by several panelists.

• Second Amendment, Legality, and Hypocrisy:

  • Tim Miller (02:11): “The Second Amendment is a right...But those rights come with restrictions.”
  • Jonathan Fahey (02:33): Contrasts Preddy’s case with right-wing defense of Kyle Rittenhouse, questioning double standards.

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2. Is the Official Narrative Gaslighting?

Timestamps: 15:00–22:00

• Narrative Manipulation:

  • Brian Tyler Cohen (20:59): “The same thing...this level of gaslighting and narrative setting that frankly, nobody believes.”
  • Criticism of officials labeling Preddy a terrorist/assassin and absurdity of government spin.
  • Cohen: “Even after he had six full grown men on top of him, that the threat had to be eliminated by unloading his clip into him...that right there is the perfect testament to why nobody believes what's happening here.” (21:05)

• Law Enforcement Perspective:

  • Brandon Tatum and Fahey debate the required justification for deadly force and what constitutes a threat.
  • Brandon Tatum (12:10): “The problem is getting to a physical altercation intentionally and premeditated...I would never confront or get in a physical altercation with any law enforcement with a gun on me.”

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3. Violence and the Weaponization of Masculinity

Timestamps: 26:54–29:55

• Language, Tone, & “Masculinity”:
  • Insults fly—“emasculated men,” “bootlickers,” “pussies.”
  • Piers Morgan (29:25): “The masculine guy was the guy standing up for the woman, doing what men should do...and in exchange for his bravery, a bunch of pussies shot him dead and unloaded into his dead body while he was laying on the ground.”
  • Brandon Tatum defends law enforcement’s perspective: “You never arrested anybody. You never carry a gun. You probably don't have a gun on you now. Quit acting like if you in a...”

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4. Migration Policy, Hypocrisy, and Obama’s Record

Timestamps: 35:48–44:00

• Double Standards & Media Critique:

  • Piers Morgan (36:08): “Jimmy Kimmel really needs to stop crying...I don't remember him crying when Barack Obama was president. There's a clip during the rounds today of Obama talking in really tough language about his own deportation record...So there's been a massive double standard there.”
  • Debate over whether outrage is sincere or politically motivated. Obama’s record, and the lack of media/trans-partisan outrage during those years, is contrasted with today’s climate.

• Distinction of Legal vs. Illegal Immigration:

  • Brian Tyler Cohen: “Immigrants commit crime at lower rates than native born Americans. So this isn't about...stopping crime.”

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5. Policy Debates: Current ICE Practices and Solutions

Timestamps: 32:31–47:01

• Measuring Success of ICE/Trump’s Policy:
  • Tim Miller (32:31): Claims the Trump administration's policies have worked—lower murder rates, crime down 20%, wages up, illegal immigration decreased, and criticized Biden for intentionally failing on border security.
  • Jonathan Fahey: Proposes focusing deportation efforts on criminals, using self-deportation incentives, and targeting sanctuary cities.
  • Piers Morgan (40:37): Argues that ICE is now targeting not just illegal but also legal immigrants, asylees, and American citizens.

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6. Specific Cases: Ilhan Omar Attack and Child Deportation

Timestamps: 23:07, 42:20–44:48

• Ilhan Omar “Attack”:

  • Video of a man spraying Omar, and subsequent questioning over whether the attack was staged.
  • Brandon Tatum (24:24): “I don't think that this was...I think this was staged. I don't know if it was true or not.”
  • Others point out the inconsistency of narrative responses if roles were reversed.

• Five-Year-Old Used as ‘Bait’:

  • Brian Tyler Cohen (43:07): “Liam Ramos, a five year old boy...used as bait to get his father to come outside. He was here legally...and yet he's now in the process of deportation.”
  • Tatum disputes Cohen’s account, arguing that ICE policy is consistent and that the family refused custody of the child.

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7. Kristi Noem, Cabinet Fallout, and Political Stakes

Timestamps: 47:01–49:39

• Political Fallout:
  • Kristi Noem’s popularity/fate as a Trump administration cabinet member discussed in the wake of the shootings.
  • Polymarket odds and speculation that she's now the frontrunner to be sacked.
  • The impact on Trump’s polling, especially with young men, libertarians, and Hispanics.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Piers Morgan (00:26):
  “A bunch of pussies shot him dead.”
• Jonathan Fahey (00:45):
  “The biggest dividing line in politics and in culture is no longer right or left. It's a lot to do with basic trust...”
• Brian Tyler Cohen (20:59):
  “This level of gaslighting and narrative setting that frankly, nobody believes.”
• Piers Morgan (29:25):
  “The masculine guy was the guy standing up for the woman...a bunch of pussies shot him dead...”
• Tim Miller (32:31):
  “Over 2 million people have taken the self deportation option...our country is objectively safer. We have the lowest murder rate since 1900.”
• Piers Morgan (36:08):
  “I don't remember [Jimmy Kimmel] crying when Barack Obama was president...There's been a massive double standard there.”
• Brian Tyler Cohen (43:07):
  “Liam Ramos, a five year old boy wearing a bunny hat and a Spiderman backpack, used as bait to get his father to come outside...”
• Brandon Tatum (44:48):
  “Why can't we all on this panel say legal immigration is good? If you come here illegally, you have broken the law and you have to be deported.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening Debate on Trust & the Shooting: 00:00–05:39
• Second Amendment Rights & Hypocrisy: 02:11–03:33
• Panel Clashes on Police Use of Force: 10:00–15:00
• “Gaslighting” and Official Narratives: 20:59–22:13
• Masculinity, Law Enforcement, and Public Opinion: 26:54–29:55
• Comparing Obama and Trump on Deportations: 36:08–41:01
• Ilhan Omar Attack & Scepticism: 23:07–25:29
• Liam Ramos and ICE’s Child Deportation Practices: 42:20–44:48
• Kristi Noem's Political Future: 47:01–47:45

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Confrontational, Unrestrained, and Raw:
  The panelists do not shy away from personal insults, sarcasm, and passionate monologues. Piers Morgan acts as an aggressive moderator, often heightening the emotional stakes.
• Highly Polarized:
  Left and right-wing perspectives are rigidly presented, with both sides accusing the other of hypocrisy, bad faith, and callousness.

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Useful for Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is a microcosm of America’s current, vitriolic political climate—anchored in a single, dramatic police shooting and radiating out to the culture war over immigration, policing, masculinity, and democratic trust. The frequent referencing of video evidence, high-profile political reactions, and brutally frank exchanges make it both an essential primer on—with, and a warning about—the nation's toxic divisions as America’s political season intensifies.

Transcript

[Piers Morgan]

Nome must resign or face impeachment.

[Brandon Tatum]

I saw the video. It does not look consistent with someone trying to assault another person. I think this was staged.

[Piers Morgan]

Shut up, Brian.

[Brandon Tatum]

You can't tell me to shut up.

[Piers Morgan]

Law enforcement works for us. They don't tend to push down women.

[Tim Miller]

I know, I know. The emasculated males are up in arms.

[Brandon Tatum]

Is that what happened?

[Piers Morgan]

Ten times they put the woman down and shot somebody. Those are the masculine men. No, I'm sorry. The masculine guy was the guy standing up for the woman, doing what men should do. A bunch of pussies shot him dead.

[Jonathan Fahey]

The biggest dividing line in politics and in culture is no longer right or left. It's a lot to do with basic trust. Do you believe this person is honest? Are they authentic? Are they telling the truth? That's why podcasters like Joe Rogan have displaced the corporate media and why politicians like Bernie Sanders are among the most popular in America, whether you agree with their politics or not. After the past few weeks, it's hard to see how some key figures in the Trump administration can ever be trusted again. Having chosen scripted gaslighting over honesty. At a moment of genuine crisis, an individual approaching U.S. border Patrol agents with a 9 millimeter semi automatic handgun.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

The officers attempted to disarm. The agents attempted to disarm the individual, but he violently resisted.

[Tim Miller]

Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, an agent fired defensive shots.

[Announcer]

Medics were on the scene, immediately delivered.

[Tim Miller]

Medical aid to the subject, but the subject was pronounced dead at the scene.

[Announcer]

This looks like a situation where an.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Individual arrived at the scene to inflict.

[Tim Miller]

Maximum damage, where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Well, anybody who'd seen the footage of Alex Preddy's shooting knew it just didn't stack up. And the same can be said about many of the arguments put forward to effectively justify his death. This was one of the most popular.

[Tim Miller]

Number one, the Second Amendment is a right. I'm a Second Amendment absolute absolutist. You have the right to carry a weapon to defend yourself, not the privilege. It is a right. Those rights come with restrictions. I think you would understand that more than anyone at this table.

[Piers Morgan]

One of those restrictions is you have.

[Tim Miller]

To have your ID and your permit on you. We don't know. Current reports are he didn't have either.

[Jonathan Fahey]

One of those on.

[Tim Miller]

At which point he's not carrying legally.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Fine. That's all true. But we know that he did have a permit for his gun. Umma law says he has to show it when requested. To do so. Where in the footage did any of the officers stop to ask him for his paperwork? And why was Kyle Rittenhouse a hero for not using his common sense? But Alex Pretti caused his own death by not using his common sense. The only thing Pretti was brandishing was his iPhone, which has also become an unlikely source of contention. I want to show you something.

[Piers Morgan]

Does that look like a gun?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

I think it does a little bit.

[Jonathan Fahey]

It's a phone. It's black like most phones.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

That's crazy stuff.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Well, crazy stuff is correct. Many people were justifiably furious with Biden officials and liberal media personalities who repeatedly told them to disbelieve their lying eyes, not least about Biden's own health. They were also furious about the idea that angry white conservatives were domestic terrorists and the single greatest threat to America. Most of those people voted for President Trump because they were sick of it. They didn't give his forces a mandate to repeat the exact same playbook. Well, joining me to discuss all this is Tim Miller, the commentator with the bull walk, Jonathan Fahey. He's a former acting ICE director, Brandon Tatum, AKA the Officer Tatum, and Brian Tyler Cohen, host of no Lies. So welcome to all of you. Tim Miller, it seems to me it's been a very significant 48 hours, actually, for Donald Trump, for his administration, for the wider public, and for this issue of trust and being able to believe what we see with our own eyes. Because if you listen to what these administration officials were saying in the immediate aftermath of this killing, then this guy, Alex Preddy, was about to launch a massacre of law enforcement officers when we could all see from the various clips that were coming out that that simply wasn't true. He was defending a woman protester who'd been thrown on the floor. He was then thrown on the floor himself. Yes, he had a weapon on him, but at no stage did he brandish that weapon or represent any threat to the eight ICE officers that engulfed him. And in fact, they took away his gun and then they killed him. So given that, we could all see that, I think what's happened here, which has been really pretty unprecedented and quite fascinating to watch, is that Donald Trump has realized this has crossed a line, a line many people may not have thought Donald Trump was aware of or cared about. And that line being, if you try and tell people that what they've just seen with their own eyes is not true, they're not going to buy it. Trust in you is going to erode, and your polling numbers are going to get slayed and ultimately, it will cost you at the ballot box. What's your reading of it?

[Piers Morgan]

Well, I hope you're right, Piers.

[Guest/Caller]

I hope that Donald Trump changes course. I think we've seen some very minor evidence of that. Replacing Greg Bevino with Tom Homan. You know, for me, I would have preferred that all of the ICE and CBP agents be removed from Minneapolis immediately and then taken off the streets and brought back to. To D.C. or to the border where they're supposed to be. Minneapolis is famously 300 miles from a border. And then they could reassess what a program would look like, where they actually went after the worst of the worst, rather than menacing American citizens and menacing people who are here illegally. And I do agree with you that the American people overwhelmingly do not want and do not support a government that murders its own citizens in the street, that unloads a clip and shoots them 10 times, fires six bullets into their dead body on the ground, and then lies about them and smears them after they're dead. I think that the vast majority of Americans don't want that. You'll probably be able to find a couple of shills to come on and defend that on this show, but I think the vast majority of Americans say, no, we do not want murderous mass thugs anonymously killing our fellow Americans. And so I do think that that is showing up in the polls. I think you're seeing Donald Trump's numbers erode massively, particularly among Hispanics, but also among young men, the libertarian types. The folks that really believed the Don't Tread on me flag, the folks that really believed in the First Amendment, which protects free speech, which protects taping people in your community, if you want to, as well as the Second Amendment, which protects your ability to carry a weapon. So the young men that flocked to Trump, I think, thinking that he was going to be a free speech president, are now seeing the truth. And I do think it's hurting him with them as well.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Yeah. Officer Tatum, welcome back to Uncensored. I mean, the really frustrating thing for Donald Trump must be that a large part of his immigration policy has been extremely successful and well received. And I'm talking specifically about the basic closure of a southern border. You know, after years of Biden allowing millions of people to come in illegally, Trump has stopped it. That's a great win for his administration. It's something most Americans agree with. And yet here he is now getting quite negative polling about his immigration policies. And I think it's all come down to this issue of how the ICE agents are behaving in these rural areas and these back to back shootings, deadly shootings of protesters.

[Brandon Tatum]

Well, it's because of mindless people like the gentleman that just finished speaking is the reason why people have this perception that Donald Trump is somehow doing something wrong. They deported 600,000 people. They've deported people who have committed murder, rape, all kinds of dangerous and felonious crimes. Also, they're deployed in all 50 states. Why is Minnesota the only state that's having issues? And then to get on TV and say that a guy is observing the first amendment and second amendment while he's at a protest assaulting ICE agents, Border patrol agents. He committed an assault, a felonious assault against the ICE agent. That's how he got into a physical altercation while carrying a firearm without notifying what was he assault when the border patrol pushed the lady he went hands on. That is a felony. You cannot do that. But, Brandon, is that not a felony crime?

[Jonathan Fahey]

Well, when you say what you witnessed.

[Brandon Tatum]

Was assault to physically assault.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Well, Brandon, when you say. Hang on, let me finish. When you say I was called mine last night, what you witnessed was an. When you say what you witnessed was an assault by Alex Pretty on ICE officers. That is not what I witnessed.

[Brandon Tatum]

Piers. Do you. Because maybe because you don't live in America, you've never done law enforcement. You don't understand the law. With all.

[Jonathan Fahey]

I've got a home in America. I've lived in America on and off for 20 years.

[Brandon Tatum]

But I'm saying you are not vested in American law enforcement. When you grab somebody like Pretty did with ICE agent, that is an assault, subject to an arrest. They had every right to take him down to the ground. He had a gun on him, knowingly came with multiple magazines.

[Jonathan Fahey]

But you should agree with that. Hang on, let me finish.

[Brandon Tatum]

A border patrol agent.

[Jonathan Fahey]

I will come back. Brandon. Brandon. If you want to spend 20 years.

[Brandon Tatum]

To carry a gun, Brandon.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Fine. I spent 20 years working and living in America a lot of the year, right? So I know America very well. I've covered a lot of these stories over the years for cnn, for others, for fox, for others, everyone, right? So you don't have to slightly patronize me with. You're not from these.

[Brandon Tatum]

I'm not patronizing the true because I have a home.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Hang on, Brandon, let me finish. Let me finish. I've owned a home in Los Angeles for 16 years, okay? So I do understand how law enforcement works in America. I understand what the law is, right? I understand all of these things. But I look at what happens immediately. You say that if you take a gun to a protest, but that's exactly what I know.

[Brandon Tatum]

When you fight people.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Hang on, Brandon.

[Brandon Tatum]

While having a gun.

[Jonathan Fahey]

I haven't finished my question. I haven't finished my question. For 20 years, I've battled about with the NRA and with the conservative right about this issue of guns in America. And I eventually concluded this is an issue for Americans to resolve amongst yourselves. I respect that. It's your country, your culture, your laws, your guns. However, there is a blazing hypocrisy in this narrative that's been spewed about Alex Prezzi that somehow one of the problems here was he was carrying a gun. He was carrying it legally.

[Brandon Tatum]

No, the problem is not carrying a.

[Jonathan Fahey]

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[Brandon Tatum]

The problem is not carrying a gun. The problem is getting to a physical altercation intentionally and premeditated. A physical altercation with ICE agents. I would never. I carry a gun everywhere I go. I got my gun on me right now. I would never confront or get in a physical altercation with any law enforcement with a gun on me. You learn it in CCW class and as a person with common sense, because what happens, things get twisted up. You have the gun, get exposed. They yell, gun, gun, gun. He's reaching for his waistband. They think he has a gun. All of that is going to be justification under the law because the perception of the Border Patrol agent that believed that he was armed and dangerous at the time that he fired the shots is going to be justification.

[Jonathan Fahey]

They took his gun away.

[Brandon Tatum]

For anybody on this panel, just like. Just like they took his gun away.

[Jonathan Fahey]

We literally see them take his gun off him and then they kill him.

[Brandon Tatum]

But that doesn't mean that the Border Patrol agent who shot him saw the gun being removed. Pierce, that is why you.

[Guest/Caller]

Look, Brandon, Brandon, Brandon, please.

[Piers Morgan]

We've listened to this enough. For starters, your whole Batman, your whole spin is crazy. This idea that you started your thing by saying this was justified because the Border Patrol agent came and pushed a woman to the ground. Why are Border Patrol agents. Excuse me, sir, let me continue. Why are Border patrol agents in Minneapolis, nowhere near the border. Pushing Americans because they're women to the grill. Brandon, Brandon, how it works.

[Brandon Tatum]

They have jurisdiction to enforce immigration law within the boundaries of the city. What the heck are you talking about?

[Piers Morgan]

Was she. And was she an immigrant? Was she an illegal immigrant who. They push an American citizen into the ground. We have rights, Brandon. The entire Minneapolis police force. Shut up. Brian. The Brandon, whatever your name is. The entire police force.

[Brandon Tatum]

Come make me shot.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Shot.

[Piers Morgan]

Zero bullets all year last year. Zero bullets.

[Brandon Tatum]

You want.

[Piers Morgan]

You want a problem with me that works for us? They don't get to shoot American citizens. They can stop you and shoot dead bodies. They don't get to push down women. They represent us. We pay them. They need to use restraint and de escalate. Okay? They are here there to serve and protect us, not to time out to shoot guys.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Okay, time out. Time out, guys.

[Piers Morgan]

Executing their rights and they got murdered. And you're on here.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Okay? Now hang on.

[Piers Morgan]

He's.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Time out, please. Time out, please. I want to bring in Jonathan Fake, as you're a former acting ICE director. But first, I want to play a clip from Donald Trump about the gun part of this.

[Piers Morgan]

That being said, you know, you can't have guns.

[Jonathan Fahey]

You can't walk in with guns. What about the Second Amendment?

[Piers Morgan]

Listen, you can't walk in with guns. You can't do that.

[Jonathan Fahey]

But it's just a very unfortunate incident.

[Announcer]

Do you agree with the assessment from some of your own officials that Alex.

[Piers Morgan]

Freddie is a domestic terrorist or an assassin?

[Brandon Tatum]

Well, I haven't heard that, but certainly shouldn't have been carrying a gun.

[Jonathan Fahey]

But, you know, I don't like that he had a gun.

[Brandon Tatum]

I don't like that he had two fully loaded magazines. That's a lot of bad stuff. And despite that, I say that's a very unfortunate.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Now, the thing is, Jonathan Faye, you know, I've repeatedly heard Donald Trump say he's the biggest Second amendment guy in America. Right. How does that square with what he's saying there about this protester who was there had a lawful right to have a firearm and the ammunition? He's saying he shouldn't have taken it, but that's a repudiation of his constitutional rights, isn't it?

[Tim Miller]

I don't think so at all. And I don't view it the same way in that, yeah, you have a right to carry a firearm, but it also comes with responsibilities. I know Tim's rolling his eyes there, but. But the thing is, what the issue is here is this person injected himself in the situation, and I'm not going to come to a conclusion because I don't know what happened, but he injected himself into a law enforcement situation and he was armed and he went there. He didn't go there to protest my understanding. These people weren't holding up signs saying open borders, mass amnesty. He was injecting himself into a situation to interfere with ICE doing their jobs. The legal issue, and you don't just come out and say it's murder if someone dies. The issue is, did this officer have a reasonable belief that his life or the lives or others were in danger of being lost or being seriously injured? And one thing. Hang on a second, Tim. It's important from the officer's perspective and what's reasonable, and they are in this high pressure situation and the fact that the gun was removed, that's a factor, but it's not the only factor. Because you don't know in these situations, does he have another gun or. Or something else to make someone safe. So the, the, the question.

[Piers Morgan]

Did any of your agents ever fire 10 into an American citizen? Did that ever happen when you were acting director? Did they ever fire 10 bullets into an American citizen?

[Tim Miller]

Tim, Tim, Tim, if you could.

[Piers Morgan]

Did that ever happen?

[Tim Miller]

A little bit.

[Piers Morgan]

Did you ever do that?

[Tim Miller]

Look, if you're. Are you performing or can I just ask. No, I'm asking.

[Piers Morgan]

It's a fair question. Did that.

[Tim Miller]

You were the acting director.

[Piers Morgan]

Did any of your agents ever kill American.

[Tim Miller]

Are we here to talk about this?

[Jonathan Fahey]

Yeah. Don't. Don't talk over. I agree.

[Tim Miller]

What is this?

[Jonathan Fahey]

Let's not talk over each other. So. So I think the question Tim is asking is reasonable.

[Tim Miller]

I know, I know the emasculated males are, Are, Are up in arms, Tim, but come on.

[Piers Morgan]

All right, you're saying the problem is.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Please don't talk over each other, guys.

[Piers Morgan]

You just called me an emasculated.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Please don't talk over each other, guys. No one can hear you when you talk over each other. Jonathan, great question.

[Tim Miller]

Do you want to perform.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Please let me answer the question. Please let me. Please let me conduct this panel. Thank you. The point Tim was making to you, Jonathan, was in all your time as ICE director, acting ICE director, did you ever have an incident like this where an ICE official put 10 bullets, or two of them did put 10 bullets into an American citizen?

[Tim Miller]

I can tell you I know a lot about police shootings. I was a federal prosecutor 17 years. I've defended police and police shootings and the way they are trained. And Brandon will confirm this. You Fire until the threat is no longer a threat, and then you reevaluate. So the fact that there are 10 bullets, you don't just say, you know, we've heard Joe Biden, remember during the. You shoot in the leg or whatever. You don't do that. And that's not the way they're trained. So if the issue is the number of bullets, then the question is maybe they should be trained differently, but they are trained to eliminate the threat. The question is still, I agree, an open question. Was this a threat that should have used deadly force? And that needs to be investigated. But the number of bullets is really not a dispositive factor. And I know everyone wants to make.

[Piers Morgan]

A big deal about it, but he was laying on the ground. I want to bring in.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Hang on, hang on, hang on. I want to bring in Brian. He's been waiting very patiently. Brian, I think I read. Did I read this week. You've just passed. You've just passed 5 million subscribers to your channel. Is that right?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

I did, yeah.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Congratulations. Amazing.

[Guest/Caller]

You did it through the patience.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Yeah, no, it's great to have. Good to have you on, and congrats on that. It's a big milestone. So, Brian, you've been waiting very patiently. You know, it's been interesting to watch the big rein back. You've watched Christy Noem basically chucking Stephen Miller under a bus. You know, Stephen Miller is the guy that actually tweeted about this guy being a potential assassin. It was him that fired up that narrative that he was a potential assassin, which was clearly completely ridiculous. Whatever your take on what we've all watched on these video clips, the idea that somehow he was planning to assassinate all those ICE officers is plainly absurd and defensive. What are we seeing here? Today's show is sponsored by Oxford Natural, makers of the Optimum Day and Optimum Night All Natural supplements. Thousands of Brits and Americans are already taking them with incredible results. Optimum Day boosts your energy and supports weight loss throughout the day. Optimum Night helps you relax and get deep, refreshing sleep. They have countless success stories, including, from some very familiar faces, England Ledger, Michael owen, who lost £40. AFTV's Robbie, who lost more than £100. To watch their full stories and many more, scan the QR code on your screen or visit oxfordnatural.com peers. And here's the best part. Use the code peers and get 70% off your first order. Get 70% off with the code peers.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

We'Re seeing from Stephen Miller, from Greg Bovino, Kristi Noem, J.D. vance, Donald Trump. The same thing. Frankly, seeing on this panel right here, which is this level of gaslighting and kind of narrative setting that frankly, nobody believes. I mean this idea for the former ICE director, my co panelist over here, that Alex Preddy, this VA nurse who was brandishing a cell phone was somehow a threat, that even after he had six full grown men like these grown ass men on top of him, that he needed to be, that the threat had to be eliminated by unloading his clip into him. I mean you can say this and you can feel justified and we'll have Officer Tatum over here back you up because there's nothing that Trump or any of these secret police or the Trump administration can do that will, that will garner any pushback. But that right there is the perfect testament to why nobody believes what's happening here. It's because even these ardent right wingers in this country, and certainly the vast, vast, vast majority of independents, I'm talking three quarters of independents in this country are listening to this gaslighting and recognizing that it's not just a lie they're being told, but it's utter contempt that's being displayed by these Trump administration.

[Tim Miller]

What did I say that was gaslighting.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

For the American people? Say again?

[Jonathan Fahey]

Well, I would say, I would say, Brian, what did I say that was gaslighting?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

This idea that Alex Preddy pose some threat where the response needs to be.

[Tim Miller]

I said that's going to be resolved.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

And it's not going to be resolved because the reality is DHS is not going to investigate any of this. DHS isn't going to investigate anything going to do. DHS is not going to investigate Jonathan Ross because DHS doesn't investigate any of this stuff. So if the excuse is always going to be, if the excuse is always going to be, oh, don't worry, we'll just, we'll get to the bottom of this in some full investigation.

[Tim Miller]

Then what should happen? Should he be charged with murder?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Because gaslighting being fed to us by Stephen Miller, Donald Trump policy.

[Brandon Tatum]

Can we talk about use of.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Okay, I want to just mention this.

[Brandon Tatum]

Convicted of murder.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Hang on, hang on. I want to mention at this stage, look, I want to bring in the incident with Ilian Omar because it's kind of connected to this. So Fillion Omar is doing a town hall in Minneapolis. She was attacking ICE and then a guy comes out of the audience sitting down and sprays her with a strong smelling liquid from a syringe. Now that is a, a potentially extremely dangerous incident. No one knows what that could have been. It turned out to be, we believe, harmless. He's wrestled away. But had it not been harmless, had it been acid or something else, then, you know, maybe she could have been very seriously hurt or dead. Now, Brandon, what has concerned me about this is that from Donald Trump, and I think you have intimated this, too. There's an immediate position by people on the maga, right, that because you don't like Ilhan Omar, that she somehow staged this. It's not real. It didn't happen the way people think it did. This guy was a plant and so on. And again, it comes back to what I sense is a complete eradication of basic humanity. There ought to be parameters between left and right where we can just agree when something like that happens, we all say this is terrible and shouldn't be happening.

[Brandon Tatum]

Pierce, there is no jump to conclusion. I don't care about none of these people. They don't pay my bills. I don't have to say anything about Ellen Omar. I don't really care about her. But the bottom line. And Donald Trump don't pay my bills either. But the bottom line is that I'm looking at this impartially. I don't know what anybody said. I saw the video and it does not look consistent with someone trying to assault another person, which means I have never in my life seen a person get up, spray something out of syringe at someone's chest. It happened to be nothing, inert. And then she. She comes after him. You. You didn't see her back away from him. You didn't see her shy away from him. You didn't see any of the. But Brandon, you would say the guy didn't even resist.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Brandon, you. Brandon, you would say. Brandon, Brandon, Brandon, Brandon. You would say the complete opposite if that was a Republican congressman.

[Brandon Tatum]

That's not true.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Brandon.

[Piers Morgan]

If the guy going to jail just.

[Brandon Tatum]

For fun, that's not true.

[Piers Morgan]

Is the guy going to jail just for fun? Is that part of the show? I just want to hear a little bit more about this theory. No, no, please, just one second. Just a question. I want to hear more about this theory. That guy.

[Brandon Tatum]

I'm giving you the elements.

[Piers Morgan]

Is he going to jail for show he's going to jail?

[Brandon Tatum]

I'm giving you. I'm giving you elements of why this looks strange to me.

[Piers Morgan]

So why do you think he's going to jail for a show? Is he like antifa. Is this part of, like, some. Is this the lizard people?

[Brandon Tatum]

Listen, was there anything in the syringe it was inert. There was nothing poisonous. There was no pepper spray. There was nothing in the syringe.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm asking you why. You think he's going to jail for this?

[Brandon Tatum]

He sprays her with the syringe in the chest. She goes after him. If you're afraid of somebody spraying you with a chemical agent, you're not gonna pursue them. He resisted. Not one bit. He goes to the ground. She says, so you don't believe it, do you, Brandon?

[Jonathan Fahey]

You don't believe it.

[Brandon Tatum]

I don't think that this was. I think this was staged. I don't know if it was true or not.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Can I ask you a question here? Can I ask a question?

[Tim Miller]

What.

[Jonathan Fahey]

What if.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

What if Alex. What if Alex Preddy had. Had sprayed a liquid onto this ICE officer? Would you have.

[Brandon Tatum]

It'll be.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Brandon.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Would you have said that there was no aggravate.

[Brandon Tatum]

It'd be. It'd be aggravated assault.

[Guest/Caller]

And you would have supported executing him?

[Brandon Tatum]

No.

[Piers Morgan]

And just like you would have supported.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

That wouldn't have been justification. That wouldn't have been justification for the ICE agent to react. But.

[Piers Morgan]

But merely holding a phone.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Merely holding a phone. Phone is justification to react.

[Brandon Tatum]

Who said that it's justified for somebody to spray some. We're talking about a specific incident where a man had a gun. They had a reason to believe that he was.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

He had a gun in his. He was holding a phone. He was holding a.

[Piers Morgan]

Can we talk about masculinity for a second, Pierce? I'd like to talk about masculinity.

[Brandon Tatum]

Gun on him.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

I. I would not have a gun on him.

[Brandon Tatum]

I would, too. Did he not have a gun on. Have you ever. Have you ever done law enforcement? Any one of you emasculated men on a. On a thing. Have you ever done law enforcement?

[Piers Morgan]

You know, have you? Granted, I can feel this one for you. I'm happy to.

[Jonathan Fahey]

I'm happy.

[Brandon Tatum]

Thank you for that.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Why are we. Why are they emasculated?

[Brandon Tatum]

Have you ever had to use.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Apparently we're emasculated because we're not bootlickers for somebody.

[Guest/Caller]

Apparently.

[Brandon Tatum]

Apparently.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Apparently we're emasculated because we're not in support of six guys jumping. Six guys jumping on. And murdering a nurse.

[Brandon Tatum]

There's a use of force.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

You're a real man, Brandon. You're a real man.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Hang on, Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Please. Hang on. Hang on.

[Brandon Tatum]

Have you.

[Jonathan Fahey]

We can't hear you when you all. When you all talk at once. Nobody hears any of you. Tim.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah, so I have a couple of things.

[Piers Morgan]

On this question of.

[Guest/Caller]

On this question of whether I've been an officer, this appeal to authority.

[Piers Morgan]

I haven't. But you know who has?

[Guest/Caller]

The chief of police of Minneapolis.

[Brandon Tatum]

No.

[Piers Morgan]

No police. Excuse me, Brandon, let me finish talking. The chief of police of Minneapolis gave.

[Brandon Tatum]

A press conference shot Freddie.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Brandon, let him talk.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, actually, that's a good point. We actually don't know the man who.

[Guest/Caller]

Shot pretty because the federal government is hiding. So we don't know who killed our citizens yet.

[Brandon Tatum]

Isn't he?

[Piers Morgan]

But we. We know that. We know that the chief of police of Minneapolis gave a press conference after the shooting of Preddy where he talked.

[Guest/Caller]

About how the judgment was irresponsible and how his.

[Piers Morgan]

His police officers, every single police officer in the entire city of Minneapolis shot zero bullets last year. They encountered real criminals. Excuse me. Let me finish. They encountered real criminals. Not. Not so not soy boy protesters like Alex Freddy. They encountered actual criminals. They encountered murderers.

[Brandon Tatum]

Not even force scenarios.

[Piers Morgan]

Assault. Yeah, they did. They encountered those people. They were armed. They disarmed a thousand. According to the chief of police in Minneapolis, they disarmed a thousand people last year without firing a single bullet. These morons fired 10 bullets. And this whole thing about this definition of. This definition of masculinity, okay, it's like really, the tough guys are the six masked goons pushing down a woman, pushing down a protester and then getting scared. Oh, they saw a gun and I got so scared, and I've got to.

[Brandon Tatum]

Shoot my.

[Piers Morgan]

10 times. Those are the masculine men. No, I'm sorry. The masculine guy was the guy standing up for the woman, doing what men should do, standing up for the woman that got pushed down. And then in exchange for his bravery, a bunch of pussies shot him dead and unloaded into his dead body while he was laying on the ground. That's what happened. Those are the emasculated body. And I wish we had more men like Alex Preddy, but unfortunately, he's never.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Okay, let me bring. Hang on.

[Brandon Tatum]

You never arrested anybody. You never carry a gun. You probably don't have a gun on you now. Quit acting like if you in a.

[Piers Morgan]

Cool to just shoot people all the time. I'm concerned about your. Your weapons. I'm concerned about your weapon based on your judgment and how big of a whip.

[Brandon Tatum]

I was a police officer.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Brandon.

[Brandon Tatum]

Police officer Brandon, how many people did you kill?

[Piers Morgan]

Brandon, how many people you kill?

[Jonathan Fahey]

If I may. If I may. If I may. Brandon, you don't have to be packing a gun to be a real man. I don't have a gun. Most people in my country said that.

[Brandon Tatum]

The Woosie said that. I'm saying that in order for you to judge, in order for you to judge another man who's making a life and death situation, it will behoove of you or have any wisdom to be in a situation like that. I've been in a situation where I had to choose whether or not I had to shoot a person or not based on use of force policy and the threat of bodily injury or death.

[Piers Morgan]

Did you do it?

[Brandon Tatum]

You have never done that. So it's weird for you to try to judge a person who's in that split second decision when you don't even carry a gun. So how about you go on a ride along and do something?

[Piers Morgan]

It's pretty easy to judge.

[Brandon Tatum]

Maybe you'll have a better perspective.

[Piers Morgan]

It's pretty easy to judge, actually. The guy was laying on the ground, he was a corpse, and the guy shot him from a distance. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom six times. It's pretty easy to judge whether it was a threat. And you can obviously tell that that guy panicked.

[Jonathan Fahey]

He Let me bring in Jonathan. Let me bring in Jonathan. Jonathan, let me bring in Jonathan. Look, there's a lot of movement going on here. Bavino's been sent packing from Minneapolis. Christy Nun's been effectively gagged. A lot of heat on Miller and others for, for putting them up to the rhetoric. They all seem to suggest it'd all come from Stephen Miller. Trump clearly aware that this is not working politically. But, you know, ICE remain doing what they're doing in other parts of America. They're deporting a reasonably large number of people, although interestingly less actually in the first year than Biden did in his last year, for example. So there are some interesting parallels here. It's not apples and oranges because Biden was letting a lot more people in, but in terms of actual deportations, it's not overly successful so far, but it is attracting, I would argue, an overly negative context. Now for the administration. If you were running ICE now, what would you be recommending to Donald Trump about how they should conduct themselves going forward?

[Tim Miller]

Well, I sort of disagree a little bit with your premise in terms of how it's been successful. I think about 1.9 or over 2 million people have taken the self deportation option, which is removing, in which the government gives them $1,000, and now they've raised that to $2,600. And so you put that on top of the 600,000 that have been removed and then Nobody else coming in. It's been enormously successful. And the way how do you measure success? Well, we have the lowest murder rate since 1900 in this country. Crime rates are down about 20% nationwide. So our country is objectively safer. We know that. We know people aren't coming in in droves anymore. And so you have to look at the big picture. We also know things like wages are going up because when you look at illegal immigration and you know from your country, it's not just something that has no cost to the citizens. It's enormously costful, costly. Illegal immigration makes Americans poorer, less healthy, less safe, less educated. And that's not really even arguable. It costs $150 billion a year. And what's interesting just in tax dollars and not to mention all the other costs and what's really interesting about this is everyone knows at this point Biden and Mayorkas are bringing people in deliberately because they want them to be voters and they want them to help in the census. There's really no serious argument against that. It's very interesting that the Democrats response to everything is always stop the deportations. They never say, hey, let's think of a good way to get rid of the illegal aliens. They'll never say that. So it really is a tell where they're coming from. But as far as what I think a good messaging should be going forward is focus on the criminals for the deportations, meaning for the arrest outside of the jail, focus on the sanctuary cities. Because you know, one of the issues with Minneapolis, it's a sanctuary city where they'd rather turn over a child molester back into the community than turn them over to ice. And by the way, Tim Waltz wrote an op ed lying about this the other day in the Wall Street Journal. So you have to wonder, is he even acting in good faith on this? But I think emphasize the criminals, emphasize the benefits from not having illegal aliens in the country. And also remember deportations and border security are intertwined because the reason people were coming under Biden was because they knew the second they footed they set foot on American soil, they were all for all intents and purposes a citizen of this country. So you cannot have those policies or people will continue to come in. These all work together. But deport the criminals, say who you're deporting. Why incentivize self deportation and talk about the benefits of not having illegal immigrants? As you know, in your country, it's.

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[Jonathan Fahey]

I get it. Let me bring Brian back in. I want to play a clip of Jimmy Kimmel last night. And to the people of Minneapolis, to the Preddy family and the good family.

[Brandon Tatum]

And these people who were looking out for their neighbors, we want you to know that we are with you and you are not alone.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Brian, Apart from the fact that Jimmy Kimmel really needs to stop crying, I just wanted to say that as a general blanket observation that barely a week goes by when he's not blubbing like a baby about something. Not saying he doesn't care. I'm just saying that it's getting a bit weary for me. But also I don't remember him crying when Barack Obama was president. There's a clip during the rounds today of Obama talking in really tough language about his own deportation record and why it was so important. He deported over 3 million people. No liberal friends of mine gave a damn or knew how many people he was deporting. He was putting kids in cages, separating them from their families. All the stuff that people chuck at Trump, but it was never an issue. Throughout those eight years, he was the biggest deporter of people in the history of the United States in terms of pro rata per year as a president. So there's been a massive double standard there. And I can't help but think that one of the reasons is the liberal skewed media, which it is. I've worked in it. You could shoot a harpoon around the old CNN newsroom when I was there and not hit a conservative voter that they just didn't care because it was their guy. And what happens this time? Because everyone hates Trump on the left and the media collectively hate Trump. So they fire everything up. Then it becomes a huge thing. Then you have people going out in the streets and protesting because they've been whipped up by the media. Then you have these altercations with ice. Then you have deadly altercations. And we're in the position we're now in. You know, I do. I'm not saying they're to blame, but I'm saying that part of what we're seeing here is something that never happened in the Obama years about this kind of issue of deporting illegal immigrants because nobody cared. And my question for you is, all right, we can have Jimmy Kimmel blubbing on TV about it because he cares so much. Why didn't he care the same way when Obama was doing this? And did you care and did you speak out about Obama's deportation record or do you accept that Obama pretty much shared Trump's view, which is actually, if you're in the country illegally, then you should probably be deported because there are millions of people trying to become legally immigrants to the United States and there are hundreds of millions who've come to the country over the last century who did it the right way.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Look, I can't speak to what my thoughts were during the Obama administration. I was in college, so I wasn't really paying that much attention to politics. But I would say in general, look, I am in favor of immigration. I think it's better for the economy. I also recognize that immigrants, you know, if we've, we've heard so much about crime, immigrants commit commit crime at lower rates than native born Americans. So this isn't about, about stopping crime. Because if this was about stopping crime, our law enforcement agencies would focus on the people who are actually committing it, certainly committing it at higher numbers. But they won't because this is not about crime. That's just some crime to be able to justify this.

[Brandon Tatum]

Go ahead. They're not always able to find people who are illegally in this country that commit crimes. When they have a crime committal stat, it's because they've been able to find the person and prosecute the person. To some degree. People that are illegally in this country have no identity. They commit crimes with no complete impunity. So I don't know what that.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Brandon Tatum]

Do you think illegal and legal immigration are the same?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Look, of course they're not the same. Of course, of course.

[Brandon Tatum]

Do you think, are you doing both or do you believe in one or the other?

[Tim Miller]

But they all get treated the same.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Well, I don't know what that means.

[Tim Miller]

The same.

[Piers Morgan]

If I could just say really quick two things on this point. Number one, right now they're deporting actually people that came the right way. They're reporting people that came here as asylees or refugees and they're sending them back even though they've been going through the legal process.

[Tim Miller]

Excuse me, can I just finish?

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Piers Morgan]

They are asylum Seekers, they came across the border illegally. They showed up to a port of entry and they volunteered. They've been going to their checkups with ice, waiting for their court date and they're deporting those people. So excuse me, just really quick. So those aren't illegal immigrants that are being deported. They're people that have done the right thing. They're being deported.

[Tim Miller]

Other people other than those people.

[Piers Morgan]

Can I say one other 20 million. I just want to say one other thing. Before you respond when you talk about illegal immigrant crime, I do have one pretty easy stat to point to. So far this year in Minnesota, illegal immigrants have killed zero people. The ICE agents have killed two. So two American citizens have been killed by ice, zero by illegal immigrants. So that's.

[Tim Miller]

Kick out ICE and bring in illegal immigrants.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, well, kick out the murderers. I would say. I actually want to kick out the murderers. No, no, great. I want to kick out the murderers. Illegal immigrants. Get the hell out. The guy that killed mayor by the. The guy that killed Alex Prey, you get the to prison as well.

[Jonathan Fahey]

How about that?

[Piers Morgan]

We get rid of the. We get rid of all the killers.

[Brandon Tatum]

If he's unjustified in his use of force.

[Tim Miller]

You're manning up there.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Let me ask Brandon, Let me ask him in Minneapolis. Hang on, please. Hang on, please, guys.

[Tim Miller]

Let me try and moderate criteria, not the hysterics.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Let me, let me moderate the panel.

[Piers Morgan]

I gave you a stat.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Brandon. Brandon, do you think there's a lot of hypocrisy given that Obama deported 3 million people and was very strong in his rhetoric, as indeed Bill and Hillary Clinton were. The clips are everywhere. Right. They all basically agree about the problem.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm for that, Piers. This is the question about hypocrisy, about killing American citizens. I literally lost criminals is fine.

[Brandon Tatum]

When I went back and listened to what Barack Obama said, what Barack Obama said about not coming to America, you would go to the back of the line. You didn't do it the right way. We're going to. We're going to catch you and we're going to kick you out of our country. Everybody should be in lockstep with that. If you came here legally, we love.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

You, but they are, they are coming here legally. Liam Ramos. Liam Ramos. A five year old boy. A five year old boy who is wearing a five year old boy who is wearing a spider man back.

[Piers Morgan]

You're not even bunny hat.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

His father was here through the asylum. His father was here later. Legally. He was going through the process. So there's always an excuse. You'll always complain he was going through the process.

[Brandon Tatum]

Please let him.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Liam Ramos's father, the five year old child, Stop talking.

[Jonathan Fahey]

All right?

[Brandon Tatum]

Go.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Shut up, five year old boy, right?

[Jonathan Fahey]

Brian's finished. Brian, Brian, Brian, make your point about the five year old boy. Then Brandon, you respond.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Liam Ramos, a five year old boy wearing a bunny hat and a Spiderman backpack, used as bait to get his father to come outside. He was here legally going through the legal process, the exact thing that Brandon you're claiming you wanted to see. And yet he's now in the process of deportation. So the goalpost will always move. You'll claim that this is all about wanting people to go through the proper process, but then you've got people who are going through the proper process and yet ICE still creates. Creates deportation porn out of their. Out of their processes and tries to get them out of the country anyway.

[Brandon Tatum]

Okay, okay, Brandon. Okay. I want people to be very clear about this. You could come through the country without going through a port of entry. You're illegally in this country. You could come through a port of entry and your asylum claim gets denied. And you're also illegally in this country. So two things can be true at the same time. They did not use a five year old to lure this guy. They already had an arrest warrant for him. He got arrested. He fled from them, leaving his child behind. They had to take the child into some type of custody for his safety. The family refused to take the kid into the house. They refused to take the kid back from the facility. So ICE had no choice but to have this kid in a safe environment because his dad did not care enough about him to take care of him. You guys are using a five year old for your immigration porn. It is not true that they lured that man. Listen, why can't we all on this panel say legal immigration is good? If you come here illegally, you have broken the law and you have to be deported. Why are we against deportation of illegal immigrants? The two people in the middle.

[Tim Miller]

Pierce, I'd like to get in here real quick.

[Piers Morgan]

You don't let me talk, but I'm for it. I'm for deport Start.

[Tim Miller]

People are here legal report Minnesota to.

[Piers Morgan]

Cooperate with ice because ICE isn't going to illegal immigrants. How hard do I support? I agree with. Could I finish?

[Tim Miller]

So they're trying to leave the illegals in and deport the legal ones. Well, why not? Why not have Minnesota give up the illegal immigrants that are in their jails? Why aren't you doing that? Or maybe you are in favor of that? I don't know.

[Piers Morgan]

They are doing that. The Minnesota Department of Crime is working with that. Yes, they are.

[Tim Miller]

Sleight of hand. That is not, that is factually untrue. You can spaz out or do whatever you do, but that's not true. The jails are not turning people over and that's the vast majority of people arrested. The prison system is, and that's the sleight of hand that Tim Waltz is using there. But the jails are not. And that's factually true. And they would even admit it.

[Piers Morgan]

Tim Walter, please.

[Tim Miller]

And you can spaz out and do your little shick.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm just trying to.

[Tim Miller]

But I think the other issue. All right, go ahead and, go ahead and reply, Tim.

[Piers Morgan]

Look, I, I, I'm, I, I am with you. Criminal aliens should be handed over to federal ICE agents or federal cpv. I'm with you on that. Excuse me. If you could, could you let me finish? And if you have a critique about the way that Hennepin county in Minneapolis is handling that, that is a fair critique and that is fine. And we could talk about that policy and what the right policy is. I'm also for deporting people that came here illegally. What ICE is doing in Minneapolis is far beyond that remit. They are going after people that have asylum claims that have not been adjudicated. They're going after protesters, they're going after American citizens, they've jailed American citizens, they're going into neighborhoods, they're bullying people, they're pushing people and they're murdering people. So if your issue is let's deal with Hennepin county prisons and figure out how to work better with them, then that's fine. You don't need to murder American citizens to achieve that goal. And so we can agree on that. I wish you can agree.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Let me bring in Brandon.

[Tim Miller]

More issues.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Let me bring in Brandon. Let me bring in Brandon because I want to bring in. Just an update from Polymarket about Kristi Noem. It's quite interesting. We're following the prediction markets on this subject of who will be the first to leave Trump's cabinet. You know, almost uniquely, he's a year in and hasn't fired anyone from his cabinet yet. Polymarket has a 1 1/2 million dollar market open. A lot of activity as we speak. Kristi NOEM is at 39% to be that first member of Trump's cabinet to be fired. She was just at 13% before the two deaths in Minneapolis. I mean, Brandon, do you think she's on the way out. Is she going to be the first casualty of Trump's Cabinet?

[Brandon Tatum]

I don't know. I think Trump is very loyal to the people that are in his Cabinet right now. That's why he haven't fired anybody so far. But I do think that she's becoming incredibly unpopular on the Republican side. Now, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with it. I don't pay attention to what she's saying. I don't care unless people are getting arrested and they're doing their job. But I do believe if she's not doing what she's supposed to be doing, if she's doing things illegitimately and is not working on behalf of the country, get her sorry self out of there. And I believe that with anybody that's in the Cabinet, I don't owe no loyalty to none of y'. All. If you don't do your job, you need to get fired. And so if there's a fair evaluation of Kristi Noem and what she's doing and not doing, and she's not doing what's right for the American people and she's committing fraudulent behavior, fire her. I think we all understand it. Can I give you the Border Patrol response real quick? Law enforcement and border Patrol connection. Because I worked in law enforcement in Tucson, which is a border state, and we work well with Border Patrol and ice. And there's a big difference. When you arrest somebody and they are illegally in this country now, local law enforcement do not have jurisdiction to arrest them for their federal crimes. But we do take them to the jail and we put them on what we call an ICE hold. Therefore, they cannot leave the jail facility even when they're done serving for their city crime or their state crime. The ICE agents will come and verify them and take them. That keeps the community way safer because ICE does not have to go into the community. When you force ICE to go into the community and then you have idiots harassing them, doxing them, throwing stuff at them, blockading their vehicles, you create an unduly risk. This is why ICE is patrolled or even Border patrol in their assistance with ICE around the entire country. And you don't see people getting shot and no, hardly anywhere else. You would say 99, 99% of the shooters. Zero is the goal. What?

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, yeah, dude. You do see people getting harassed. Not just Minnesota, because this, Minnesota is just the only place they've murdered anyone so far. But they do. They jailed citizens in television. Give me the murder.

[Brandon Tatum]

No, no.

[Piers Morgan]

They shot in Chicago.

[Brandon Tatum]

Give me the murder numbers give me the people who have been murdered by ICE and then you tell me where.

[Piers Morgan]

They were murdered this year. There have been two people murdered by ICE in Minneapolis so far. And then one city, Renee. Good and Renee. And then they shot a guy in Chicago.

[Brandon Tatum]

Agent. No, Renee hit an ICE agent with her car. She got shot. This guy came and confronted and physically assaulted and had.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm sorry, I can't do any more.

[Guest/Caller]

Of this like apology.

[Piers Morgan]

You can't do whatever you want man, but do not smear death people.

[Brandon Tatum]

This guy goes to jail for shooting pretty.

[Guest/Caller]

What you're doing is shameful.

[Piers Morgan]

You should be shameful.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

I actually think it's.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm not mad.

[Jonathan Fahey]

You're just.

[Piers Morgan]

You should.

[Guest/Caller]

You should repent.

[Brandon Tatum]

You don't understand.

[Piers Morgan]

You should find the Lord.

[Brandon Tatum]

You don't understand.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

What Brandon is doing I think is actually. I think what Brandon is doing is actually pretty instructive because the reality is that everybody saw the video. Like 85% of Americans saw this video. Brandon.

[Brandon Tatum]

According to what they're going to be judged by.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Control yourself, Brendan. Try to control yourself.

[Brandon Tatum]

How about you listen.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Try to control yourself. Try. Just try like two seconds to not.

[Brandon Tatum]

Give me the law. Give me the law that he's going to be prosecuted.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Brendan, two seconds man.

[Brandon Tatum]

Give me the law. He's going to be prosecuted.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

This isn't a good testament for how. For how law enforcement officials are able to control themselves. The reality is the vast majority of Americans. The vast majority of Americans like you.

[Brandon Tatum]

Don'T know the law.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Brandon, just shut up for like two seconds.

[Brandon Tatum]

Where's the law?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

The vast majority of Americans saw this video. We don't matter with our own eyes. Even conservatives, even independents know that ICE was doing was completely unjustified that he cell phone and was. And was bombarded by six grown ass shot him dead. And you're standing up here. Brandon, just shut the fuck up for two seconds. The fact that you can sit up here and claim you.

[Brandon Tatum]

You talking to me brother? Give me the move.

[Piers Morgan]

What are you gonna do? Because shoot him in the back of the head?

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

This whole time you're pretend you're cosplaying as a tough guy while you bootleg six grown ass men who jumped on a nurse and shot him dead. This is not the tough position you are defending. You being a bootlicker is not a tough position. My dude being a bootlegger for a bunch of grown ass men who killed a nurse who is helping a woman is.

[Jonathan Fahey]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. Can I just say. Gentlemen, gentlemen. I had. I had hip surgery a week ago. I can't just say it flared up at the start of this debate. It's carried on flaring ever since. And the only thing I can put it down to is that you lot have shouted at each other now for 45 minutes without drawing breath, and I owe it to my new hip to call and enter proceedings. But thank you all very much.

[Brian Tyler Cohen]

Thanks.

[Tim Miller]

Thank you.

[Brandon Tatum]

Thanks.

[Jonathan Fahey]

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