"Race-Baiting CLOWN!" BAFTAs Tourette's Row + Gavin Newsom 'Can't Read'

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Race-Baiting CLOWN!" BAFTAs Tourette's Row + Gavin Newsom 'Can't Read'

Podcast: Piers Morgan Uncensored
Date: February 26, 2026
Main Theme:
A fiery and deeply contentious debate over an incident at the BAFTAs in which John Davison, a prominent figure with Tourette’s syndrome, involuntarily shouted a racial slur during a live broadcast. The episode explores reactions to the incident, the clash between disability and racial sensitivity, media coverage and mishandling, and a tangent on Gavin Newsom’s controversial remarks to a majority-Black audience.

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Episode Overview

Piers Morgan moderates a panel featuring:

• Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu (Lawyer/Activist)
• Brianna Joy Gray (Bad Faith podcast, former Sanders press secretary)
• Nerdrotic (Gary from Nerdrotic YouTube channel)
• Javier Derusso (PragerU)
• Dr. Mark Siegel (Physician, Fox News Analyst)

The first half is dominated by debate over John Davison, Tourette’s, and accusations of racism and ableism. The second addresses a clip of California Governor Gavin Newsom making patronizing remarks to a Black audience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Background: The BAFTAs Incident

[02:01]

• John Davison ("I Swear" subject and advocate for Tourette’s awareness) involuntarily yells the N-word from the audience during the BAFTAs while Black actors Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo are on stage.
• Despite a two-hour broadcast delay, the BBC fails to censor the slur, prompting uproar.
• Figures like Jamie Foxx and director Jonty Richards denounce Davison; Davison issues a public apology in Variety magazine.

2. Dr. Shola’s Video & Reaction

[04:15] – Dr. Shola labels Davison “a racist white man with Tourette syndrome,” asserting:

"The Torrid Syndrome simply brings out what is already in the heart, mind and soul of the person speaking."
She argues that disability does not erase the racist impact or origin of such words.

[05:32 & 07:01]

• Piers Morgan accuses her of an appalling attack on a disabled man, emphasizing the uncontrollable nature of Tourette’s.
• Dr. Shola apologizes for conflating involuntary tics with personal beliefs, clarifying her intent was to address “weaponization” of disability as an excuse for erasing Black lived experiences.
• She insists the statement was still racist regardless of intent and impact is what matters:

"Racism does not require intent to be racist... Impact is what defines it."

3. Understanding Tourette’s and Coprolalia

[17:15] Nerdrotic, [22:11] Dr. Siegel

• Multiple panelists emphasize that coprolalia (involuntary swearing and inappropriate utterances) is a neurological symptom affecting a minority of Tourette's sufferers.
• Dr. Mark Siegel gives a detailed medical breakdown:

  "It's a neurological condition... The thoughts have nothing to do with what actually is behind it. You're not secretly thinking those words."
  — Dr. Siegel [22:11]

• Discussion of BBC’s editorial choice to bleep “Free Palestine” but leave in the slur, highlighting perceived double standards.

4. Empathy, Hollywood Hypocrisy & Media Treatment

[16:38] Nerdrotic, [18:02] Piers Morgan

• Nerdrotic and Piers criticize the film industry for failing the test of empathy they often champion.
• Anecdote: When Davison said "fuck the Queen" on receiving his MBE, the Queen shrugged it off—contrasted with current outrage.
• Call to watch "I Swear" to understand the experience of those with Tourette's.

[24:15] Dr. Siegel on Societal Response:

"We need to have compassion and empathy for this man... Four times more likely for people to commit suicide with Tourette's... 50% of Tourette's adults are thinking of suicide."

5. Institutional Mishandling & Selective Outrage

[27:21] Brianna Joy Gray:

• Brianna commends the film for increasing awareness but points out BAFTA/BBC selectively censored other slurs and political comments ("Free Palestine," homophobic slurs), but left in the N-word.
• Raises the question: "What did BAFTA owe to presenters, especially Black ones, to protect their dignity?"

[32:57] Javier Derusso:

• Argues Davison shouldn’t have attended as his presence likely would make people uncomfortable, but others counter that this approach is exclusionary and dismisses educating about disabilities.

6. The Apology Debate

[35:33, 46:09] Piers & Brianna

• Disagreement over the necessity of apologies by Davison, Dr. Shola, and celebrities like Jamie Foxx.
• Piers: Apologizing for involuntary tics is "pointless" and offensive to expect.
• Brianna: Sincere apologies for unintended harm can be human and graceful, but the focus should be on institutional responsibility.

7. Notable Quotes & Exchange Highlights

Tourette’s, Intent, and Identity Politics

• "There is no intent behind the word. And that's what gives the word power... I long for a day where it has no power."
  — Nerdrotic [00:01, 43:36]
• "Racism does not require intent to be racist."
  — Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu [08:05]
• "You were trying to erase John Davidson's lived experience as a man suffering from Tourette's syndrome."
  — Piers Morgan [12:13]
• "Empathy is a word they love to use in the entertainment industry, but have no understanding of."
  — Nerdrotic [16:38]

Accusations & Clashes

• "You are a vile race baiting clown."
  — Piers Morgan to Dr. Shola [51:26]
• "You can call me ableist... but I think it's a bit rich coming from the man who diminished, undermined the suicidal experiences of Meghan Markle."
  — Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu [14:28]
• "That's the whole point, actually, of the movie, which you haven't... which you failed to understand. And the point I was making about 'grow the fuck up,' that's directed at anybody who rushed to judge."
  — Piers Morgan [38:16]
• "You've also had the caucasity to say... we have no right to expect an apology."
  — Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu [48:54]

Nuance, Responsibility & Institutional Failure

• "Why is it the same care given to the LGBT community was not extended to Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo?"
  — Brianna Joy Gray [27:21]
• "BBC really should be taking a lot of this responsibility for the fact that they did not edit this out."
  — Javier Derusso [32:57]

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Timestamps – Important Segments

• [02:01] – Recap of the BAFTA incident & reactions
• [04:15][50:16] – Dr. Shola’s viral video and subsequent apology
• [16:38][43:36] – Discussion of the entertainment industry’s hypocrisy
• [22:11] – Dr. Siegel’s medical explanation of Tourette's & coprolalia
• [24:15] – Impact on mental health and public empathy
• [27:21] – Brianna chips in, shifting focus to institutional/structural responsibility
• [32:57][34:05] – Javier’s perspective: inclusion vs. making others uncomfortable
• [38:16] – Piers’ impassioned case for empathy and against forced apologies
• [51:26] – Piers' heated accusation against Dr. Shola

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Gavin Newsom: ‘Can’t Read’ Row

[53:08+]:

• Newsom tells a mostly Black audience he’s a "960 SAT guy" and can't read speeches, seemingly to appear relatable.
• Panelists sharply criticize the remarks as patronizing and reflective of Democrats' pandering.
• Javier Derusso:

  "This is yet another example of Democrats completely degrading and dehumanizing and belittling Black people in order to try to relate to us." [53:08]

• Brianna Gray: Points out Newsom’s background of wealth and power and the hollowness of his “just like you” rhetoric.
• Nerdrotic decries Newsom’s governorship and the decline of California:

  "Do you want the rest of the country to become California? Because that's exactly what will happen." [57:12]

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Summary Takeaways

• The BAFTAs controversy exposes deep fault lines between advocating for disability awareness and addressing racial trauma; both sides argue about intent, trauma, and the obligations of empathy.
• Media failures (BBC/BAFTA) spotlight the harm institutional mishandling can do, both in what is censored and what is allowed.
• Empathy and understanding—praised by Hollywood and activists alike—are shown to be inconsistently applied, especially when real-world complexity confronts identity politics.
• Panelists clash fiercely, with apologies, accusations of race-baiting, ableism, and censorship firing back and forth, leaving listeners with a sense of just how intractable social debates can become when trauma, identity, and misunderstanding collide.
• Newsom’s segment underlines the persistence of both political pandering and the disconnect between rhetoric and reality in American politics, especially where racial identity is concerned.

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Recommended Actions & Viewing

• Watch "I Swear" (the John Davison movie) to gain an authentic view of living with Tourette’s and coprolalia.
• Panelists and listeners are urged throughout to educate themselves about the condition, before issuing judgment or apology demands.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• "There is no intent behind the word. And that's what gives the word power..."
  — Nerdrotic [00:01]
• "Racism does not require intent to be racist. Impact is what defines it."
  — Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu [08:05]
• "It's a neurological condition... You're not secretly thinking those words."
  — Dr. Mark Siegel [22:11]
• "You were trying to erase John Davidson's lived experience as a man suffering from Tourette's syndrome."
  — Piers Morgan [12:13]
• "If you think that anyone would deliberately do that if they didn't have a condition, you are completely delusional."
  — Piers Morgan [18:02]
• "We need to have compassion... because 50% of Tourette's adults are thinking of suicide."
  — Dr. Mark Siegel [24:15]
• "Hollywood loves to say they are the champions of empathy... they all failed miserably."
  — Nerdrotic [16:38]

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This episode offers a charged and comprehensive look at how society grapples with competing claims of trauma, accountability, and inclusion—highlighting how easy it is for attempts at empathy to break down when ignorance, outrage, and institutional failures collide.

Transcript

[Nerdrotic]

This movie was about acceptance. There is no intent behind the word. And that's what gives the word power. Outside of people, other people giving the word power. And I long for a day where it has no power.

[Dr. Mark Siegel]

What's been gotten wrong here is you're not secretly thinking those words, but you, but you lose the lid off of them. That's not what's happening. It's that your own think that those aren't your words, those aren't your thoughts. And that's why Jamie Foxx and Wendell Pierce, maybe they should be ashamed.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Me giving an apology because I made an incorrect statement which is not going to erase or invalidate my legitimate reaction to how the public reacts, you know, to the public trying to erase our lived experiences because he has torrents.

[Piers Morgan]

Nobody's trying to erase your lived experience. What a load of boats. Earlier this week, a well known activist and campaigner shocked crowds with an outburst which has been furiously derided as racially offensive. I'm not trying to impress you. I'm just trying to impress upon you. I'm like you. I'm no better than you. You know, I'm a 960sat guy. And you know, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, you know, trying to

[Nerdrotic]

act, act all there if you got 940.

[Piers Morgan]

But literally a 960 SAT guy.

[Nerdrotic]

I cannot.

[Piers Morgan]

You've never seen me read a speech because I cannot read a speech. Well, that was California governor and presidential hopeful Gavin Newsom, who's accused of telling a primarily black audience that he's relatable because he too can't read. Well, more on him later. But I was of course really talking about this. Delroy and I are delighted to be

[Nerdrotic]

presenting the first BAFTA of the night for a vital part of movie making.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, John Davison was at the BAFTAs in honor of the exceptional movie I Swear, which is a dramatization of his life with Tourette's syndrome. Most people know by now. Also, I thought that Tourette's causes involuntary tics. This often involves belting out the most inappropriate words and insults imaginable. And John Davis and duly shouted out the N word while black actors Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo were on stage. Somehow one of those N words made it into the airwaves on the BBC despite a two hour delay which was successfully used to censor a director who said Free Palestine. The resulting uproar has been staggering. Davidson was instantly branded a racist, as were the people attempting to defend him. Jamie Foxx called it unacceptable and said Nah, he meant that shit. Director Jonty Richards has resigned as a BAFTA judge, calling the incident unforgivable and condemning the failure to safeguard the black creative community. Journalist Jamil Hill said that Davidson's inclusion shouldn't be prioritised over the well being of the other guests. Really? So they should have excluded the man with an actual disability who was invited to receive an award for a movie which raises awareness about his disability from an industry which supposedly cares very deeply about things like disability. Because your feelings matter more than his. This is precisely the problem with identity politics. When it's finished eating everybody else, it has no choice but to eat itself. Davison's been forced to issue a humbling and heartfelt mea culpa in Variety magazine. But in my view, he shouldn't have had to. Well, joining me to debate this is the Lawyer and activist Dr. Shola Moss Shogbamamou, Brianna Joy Gray, former press secretary to Bernie Sanders, host of the Bad Faith podcast From the Nadratic YouTube channel, Gary Abucla and Javier Derusso, the commentator with Prageru. Welcome to all of you. Dr. Scholar, let me start by just playing something that you did as a video post on your X account which has been viewed so far by 1.4 million people.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Some of you are getting on my last God given nerves the fact that I have to come up here to break down for you the ABC's 1, 2, 3 Doremys of racism. Because some of you have the bombastic caucasity to want to litigate the racial intent of a white man and absolve him of racism because of his disability. Now I'm gonna make time for you today. Let me say this in plain English because I'm not speaking Latin or Swahili. John Davidson is a racist white man with Tourette syndrome. And let me break this down for you. Taurid syndrome is a disability. Disability is not racism and it does not make you racist. The Taurid Syndrome simply brings out what is already in the heart, mind and soul of the person speaking. Because as a man thinketh, so is he.

[Piers Morgan]

Now, I've got To be honest, Dr. Sherrod, that's one of the most disgraceful and shameful attacks on somebody with a medically diagnosed disability that I've ever had to endure and witness. Would you like to start by offering a profound apology to John Davison, who, as anybody who understands Tourette's syndrome knows, has absolutely no control over what he says, including any racial insults or slurs he may utter? Because people with Tourette's have no control.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Not just to. I noticed that you don't. You didn't play the whole video. That actually addresses many other points, but not just to John Daisy, because I spoke about this in my livestream. I made an incorrect statement in that. In my video. And by basically by saying that having a bank of words of vocabulary in your heart, mind and soul, it implies that anybody with a Taurus syndrome subscribe to what has come out of their mouth. So that in itself is harmful to that community. And that community is not just John Davidson. It also includes black people with Taurus syndrome. So I most definitely, and I'll say that now, even though I apologize in my live stream yesterday, I unequivocally and apologetically, I'm sorry for the, you know, for that incorrect statement because that is incorrect. What I also said in my, in my video, which you haven't played, is to address the impact on black people. And my, actually my, my video was addressing those who are trying to weaponize his disability. So in my attempt to bridge the gap, to address them, weaponize his disability, to erase the lived experiences of black people, I ended up creating a gap. And by creating that gap, I am responsible for closing it by acknowledging that it's an incorrect statement, apologizing because it's wrong, and then taking myself back to school to educate myself on torrid.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, it might have been helpful if you'd actually watched the movie or educated yourself about Tourette's before you launched this attack on John Davidson. You doubled down actually before. Well before. Before the public. Well, hang on. Before the public furore that came your way, which forced you into. Then backing down.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Not because after.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me finish my point. After John Davison issued a statement explaining that he has no control over this, you refuse to accept it. You said this has to be the whitest non apology from John Davison. It's exactly how racist. White people don't take responsibility. Can we talk about it or is that ableist? He shouldn't be apologizing for his disability. So why is sorry the hardest thing to say for the impact of his words. So you carried on calling him a racist even when he explained to you and to everyone who was calling him that, that actually he has no control over what he says.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

You.

[Piers Morgan]

You continued to call this man who has suffered his entire life from people stereotyping him in this manner. You continue to brand him a racist.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

I appreciate you advocating for him, but if you take the time to listen and watch my videos on everything else I've said, I'VE explained quite frankly that I understand that torus syndrome, how tort syndrome works, in terms of the fact that the words come out involuntarily. But as I explained in my videos, racism does not require intent to be racist. And that is why I said it was racist. That does not change my apology, does not change that it is a racist statement. That does not require intent Torres syndrome. What it does is it explains how it happens, doesn't justify why it happens, because impact is what defines it. So when I talked about what was being paraded as his apology, I don't think he called it an apology. But in newspapers and those with big platforms were calling it an apology. And I said, no, that is not an apology. When you say, I am mortified that you think it's. This was intentional. I don't understand why people are calling this apology. And when I was speaking, I'm speaking to those again who are weaponizing his disability. That was what that was about. And let me just say, Pierce, I am not holding him to a different standard or BAFTA or BBC, because as you rightly pointed out, some words were being blipped out. And we just understood that BBC also blipped out a homophobic slur that he had uttered, but they deliberately left this N word in. That's not what this is about. I am explaining and trying to address the fact that we are being told we are being called ableist. We are being told to be silent. We are being told that we should not have the right to react. And I'm trying to be. And I'm also being concerned, not even trying. I understand the harm that that statement will make to the entire torrid community. So that is why I offer my apology unreservedly. But the same way I said he has made a racist statement is the same way I called Kanye west out as an anti Semitic black man when he was altering anti Semitic words. I did not hold him to a separate standard. I didn't say, as a black woman, you know what, I'm going to use a bipolar disorder to excuse or wipe away what you've done. I didn't go to the Jewish community and say to them, take it on the chin, he's got bipolar. I am simply holding a white man with disability to the same standard I held a black man. And again, my points were not directed at him. For those who are trying to weaponize, however, I understand the impact on him and the people who are experienced, who suffer from the tourist community. So my apology for making that incorrect statement is not because anybody forced me to. And it's not because public furor. It is because I understand the impact and I give it unreservedly to the tourist community.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. And yet, coincidentally, your groveling apologies only came after the public furore. Before that, you had doubled down the.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

I don't sound like I'm standing 10 times.

[Piers Morgan]

Before that. Before that happened, Dr. Scholar, before that happened, you had kicked a guy when he was down. You took a guy who suffers from an appalling syndrome. And this was a movie. There was a movie being celebrated. John Davison's. The man you kicked when he was. John Davison you picked when he was young.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

I will not watch his movie. I will watch his movie. But you are not. Listen. Me giving an apology because I made an incorrect statement which I rightly say causes harm, is not going to erase or invalidate my legitimate reaction to how the public reacts, you know, to the public trying to erase our lived experiences because he has tortured.

[Piers Morgan]

Nobody's trying to erase your lived experience. What a load of baloney. What a load of baloney.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

This is nonsense.

[Piers Morgan]

Nobody was erasing anyone's lived experience. I'll tell you what you were doing. What you were doing. If I made. If I may. If I may respond.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

That's what you're saying.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, yes. If I may respond. The person who was trying to erase someone's lived experience was you. You were trying to erase John Davidson's lived experience as a man suffering from Tourette's syndrome. Please don't talk over me. Please don't talk over me.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

And I respond.

[Piers Morgan]

Let me finish my point. Let me finish my point. And you can respond. If you talk over me, no one can hear either of us. Right?

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Okay.

[Piers Morgan]

You talk about. You have the brass neck. You have the brass neck to talk about lived experience. When you take a man's lived experience. Please let me finish my point. You take a man who has suffered from Tourette's his entire life. If you watch the movie as I did last night, you will see the hell that man has endured. They were celebrating that film on the night the actor that plays him won an award. John Davison was being celebrated. And everybody knows. Everybody knows that anyone with Tourette's who says these kind of outbursts doesn't have any control or any bank of language or mean them. But you, rather than try to find that out, you kicked him when he was down. That's what. You're racist.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

While he was down. I was addressing the fact that when it happened, people, as you heard in my Video, I said people with a bombastic caucasity to try to erase our lived experiences without them wanting to balance both. That yes, he has a disability that's caused this, but that the impact is real. I mean, when Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo heard that word, they froze in that moment. And we all. I don't know about you, but. But every black person knew exactly what they're thinking, exactly how they were feeling. Now you're doing exactly what I am saying all these other people are doing. All you're doing is focusing on one side of the story. You're only focusing on wanting to weaponize his disability to say, you know what? Nothing else matters because of the Torres.

[Piers Morgan]

No, no. To be clear. Let me respond. Let me respond. Let me respond. Let me respond. It is you that is weaponizing, and I don't find any of this funny. It is you.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

I'm laughing like you.

[Piers Morgan]

It's you that weapon. It is you that weaponized John Davison's disability. It was you that was shamefully ableist towards him. No. Yes.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

You can call me ableist.

[Piers Morgan]

And it was you. It was you who was so ill informed about what Tourette's is that you branded him repeatedly a racist.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

You can call me, and you can call me ableist, but I think it's a bit rich coming from the man who diminished, undermined the suicidal experiences of Meghan Markle.

[Piers Morgan]

And rather than, okay, all right, you're gonna try and distract. We'll move on. Yeah, we'll move on. Yeah, we'll move on. Just so viewers understand, the last time Dr. Schoder and I had any contact on the airwaves was when I expressed doubt about a lot of the claims made by Meghan Markle and Prince Harry in the Oprah Winfrey interview. None of which of the more serious ones, the racism and the mental health claims, everything, were followed up in his book or in television interviews or anything. It was like they never happened. But we're not going to get into that because we're not actually here to talk about Meghan and Harry. And actually, I'm bored of talking about those two. What we're going to do is go to the rest of the. We're going to go to the rest of the panel. Rather than let you distract from what you did. You have apologized way too late. But you. Okay, stop shouting. Stop shouting. You've said your piece. The panel's been waiting. Please show some. Please show some consideration for your fellow panel members. Let me bring in the drotic Sir Gary Brucklett, you know, I was appalled by what Jamie Foxx said about this. And look, there are other strands to this story, like the BBC's culpability in inexplicably not cutting this from what they put out on the air two hours later when they were cutting out comments like free Palestine. It's unbelievable to me they didn't cut out somebody using the N word, albeit completely inadvertently because they have no control. But that is a BBC cock up of epic proportions. But in relation to people like Jamie Foxx, for example, in Hollywood and the general attempt to try and bully John Davison into his apology to the people of Hollywood who were so hurt and offended, I just found the whole thing so distasteful. It was, it showed a chronic misunderstanding of what Tourette's syndrome is, a failure to have any knowledge of his story or the movie about his life or any of it.

[Nerdrotic]

I just watched the movie this morning, Piers, and it's really good, by the way. And I recommend everybody watch it to understand this. And as I posted on X today, the entertainment industry loves to say that they are the champions of acceptance and empathy and they just had the best test to prove that and they all failed miserably and completely. And saying that that was his intent is a complete misunderstanding of Tourette's. And we, we keep on focusing on the N word. What about all the other things he said that nobody else is talking about? He, he said f. The queen.

[Dr. Mark Siegel]

Who.

[Nerdrotic]

The queen's face, you know, and they show that in the movie. And this is a part of this condition that he has to live in. There's no intent behind the word. This is the one time where people can say, you know what, we're going to laugh about this, blow it off. Or you know, show some empathy. You know what? That, the word that they love to use in the entertainment industry but they have no understanding of. And after listening to that from the doctor, I don't know how you're a doctor. That, that's, that's, that's the biggest mystery in life. And I've been kicked out of three high schools. But I don't know how the hell you became a doctor, but what a great country, what a great country you live in to hand out doctorates to people who are woefully un qualified. Because that, that whole argument was a roller coaster, you know.

[Piers Morgan]

You know, you know. No, Nadrotic is interesting. You referenced the incident with the Queen. It's when John Davison got his MBE specifically for his work for raising awareness about Tourette Syndrome. And when he was introduced to the Queen, he yelled, and I'll say it, he yelled, fuck the Queen. In front of her, right? But rather than be offended, the Queen brushed it off, responded straight away, congratulations, Mr. Davison. Because she had done a bit of prior research, she understood the person that she was giving this honor to suffered from a condition where he would say things like this when without any ability to stop himself saying it and without any intent to cause any offense. And when he was asked about it later, John Davidson said, I started to relax then because she said, I believe you've done lots of television appearances trying to improve people's knowledge of Tourette's. And I said, I have, Mom. I've done five documentaries. And she said, gee whiz, I'll have to get the boys to show me some of those one day. In other words, she showed empathy and compassion. She made no big deal of what he said. And it was a very special moment, actually, given how some people would have viewed what he said in front of her. Right. Easy to take the easy route with that and just say, well, he's just offended the Queen in the most disgusting manner. No, he hadn't. She understood. He hadn't. She understood that the whole point of why he was getting the award and the honour from her and from his country was because he had raised awareness for a condition which is crippling for people that have it. You know, when you watch that movie, and I watched it last night, I swear, I urge you, all my viewers, to watch it. It's incredibly powerful. It's very inspiring. And if you think that anybody, anybody with Tourette's syndrome would in there would. I would say in their right mind, but they're not really in their right mind at the moment. They have the tics. But if you think that anyone would deliberately do that if they didn't have a condition which made them do it, you are completely delusional. I want to play a clip before I come to the other two panelists. This is a really interesting clip from a young American black woman who has Tourette's. She's called Kilk1Yoshi. She's big on YouTube. And she explains that she too has the same problem as John Davison, including saying the N word, albeit, as I say, she's a young American black woman, but she articulates. I think it's about just over a minute, but really worth watching this to get a sense of what it's like. If you have Tourette's, just listen to this.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

I've been seeing a lot of people be like, well, he said it like

[Brianna Joy Gray]

when the crowd went silent.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

That is most likely when a tic is going to happen when you're in public, when you're in complete silence, or

[Brianna Joy Gray]

when you're trying not to say or do something. We must understand what coprolalia is.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Coprolalia causes involuntary swearing and inappropriate tics.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

This can include the n word, slurs, etc. I am a black person and even I have the N word tic and slurs as tics.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

This is something I don't see many talk about because of situations like this.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

Is it a disappointing thing?

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Shut up.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

That it is.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, the actual clip goes on for a lot longer and is really fascinating. But the point she's making and I want to bring in. We're being joined now by Dr. Mark Siegel, who's a physician, professor and medical analyst for Fox News. Dr. Siegel, great to have you back. You are a doctor, a real one. This whole issue of Tourette's syndrome, it can manifest in various different ways. You can have simple tics, which is brief, repetitive movements or sounds involving a few muscle groups, eye blinking, throat clearing. Then you can have complex tics, distinct coordinated patterns of movement, jumping, twisting or sounds, repeating words or phrases. And then you can get into these rarer forms which include coprolalia, which is the involuntary swearing, and copropraxia, which is obscene gestures. These affect about 10 to 15% of people with Tourette's. And that's what John Davidson has. But just to clear this up for people who may still be under any sort of delusions about this, somebody that has, that has the condition John Davison has, they have zero control over what they say, right?

[Dr. Mark Siegel]

Yes. And I want to really explain that because it should embarrass your first panelist there who is not a medical doctor. Here's the deal. It's a spectrum disease, meaning there's all types, from very mild to very severe. John Davidson has very severe. He was licking lampposts when he was nine years old. You mean he loved lampposts and was secretly wanting and desiring to lick those lampposts or spit food at his family that caused his father to leave the family. It's not that. It's that as severe form of Tourette's and hooray for John Davidson, raising awareness for 300,000 kids or adults in the UK that have this condition. The overall Tourette's mild to severe because they get ostracized, because they get stigmatized. The coprolalia that you're talking about peers. That's the key here. And that's what. Why Jamie Foxx and Wendell Pierce, maybe they should be ashamed because what coprolalia means, it involves the limbic system of the brain, which, yes, I studied. It involves dopamine, which I studied, and serotonin, which I studied. And it's a neurological condition when you have coprolalia, where it's not only that you lose control. What's been gotten wrong here is you're not secretly thinking those words, but you. But you lose the lid off of them. That's not what's happening. It's that you don't think that those aren't your words, those aren't your thoughts, those aren't what's behind it. You're not secretly wanting to curse someone and they took the lid off of the pot, so the curse spews out. It's that the thoughts have nothing to do with what actually is behind it. And the idea that people would say that shows that they're misinformed. And the fact that that gets propagated and is what causes the stigma that he's doing this movie about in the first place. He has no control a and he's not thinking those things. They're socially inappropriate terms and expressions and curses that are not what his thoughts are thinking. It's what his brain is spewing out.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, that's absolutely crucial to this debate because, you know, these people like Jamie Foxx seem to have got it into their heads that he must be a closet racist, otherwise he would never say these things. It's such a stupid failure to understand what the condition is. And it comes from people in Hollywood who never stop preaching about the need to. You know, they constantly preach identity politics. They're constantly telling us we've got to be more empathetic, more compassionate. The virtue signal about everything left, right and center. But here you have somebody who is the subject of a big new movie specifically about a condition which makes it crystal clear about what the issues are. And yet none of them appear to have watched it. None of them appear to care. And they're quite happy to go public and spray gun this guy in a really dark moment for him where he knows. He knows how big a deal this was. He'll have been really, as we know from his statements, really suffering since about what's happened here. And rather than calm things down and show him empathy and compassion, Holly was lined up to kick him.

[Dr. Mark Siegel]

Isn't it ironic that his very first film in 1989 with BBC was called John's Not Mad. That's the point. Yes, he's sounding mad, but he's not really mad. We all have those words in our vocabulary. His brain is choosing one that he doesn't intend to say or is not even thinking. We need to have compassion and empathy for this man because you know what? Four times more likely for people to commit suicide with Tourette's. You should be ashamed on the panel for not knowing that 50% of Tourette's adults are thinking of suicide. And that's why they need our compassion, our empathy and our understanding and not spewing pseudoscience.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, well, you referenced this John's Not Mad documentary. It was from 1988, so we're talking 38 years ago. So this guy's been in the public eye ever since. The cameras followed him around when he was young. Let's take a look at a little clip from that BBC documentary.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Like that.

[Piers Morgan]

But if you didn't know about John,

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

what would you think as he passed you in the street?

[Dr. Mark Siegel]

That's the police, dad.

[Piers Morgan]

They're not mind houses and bookstores.

[Dr. Mark Siegel]

That's right, yeah.

[Piers Morgan]

They've got it all fitted out now.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

It feels like. I think it's hard to explain.

[Dr. Mark Siegel]

It's.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

And I feel I'm going to say

[Piers Morgan]

it, I try and stop myself, but

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

it just feels, if I have to say it, like somebody's forcing out of me.

[Piers Morgan]

So, Brianna Joy Gray, let me come to you on this. I mean, what is your view now that we know all the facts about this? What is your view of it?

[Brianna Joy Gray]

Well, for one, I think the reason that this movie came out and why it's important is because a lot of people don't know exactly what Tourette is all about and why people are making the exclamations that they're actually making. So I appreciate the gracious apology of the guest that got the facts wrong. And I expect that a lot of the other folks in Hollywood who might have rushed to the judgment that this man had some control over the epithets that he used was wrong. But in some respects, I think the bigger story and the focus here shouldn't be about random people who don't really know very much about Tourette's, which, again, is why this movie is valuable in the first place, to help people to understand the ailment better, the disability better. But the response of BAFTA and how they selectively chose which kinds of remarks were appropriate to edit out of the delayed broadcast and which were appropriate to include the fellow panelist here, Nerdrotic mentioned earlier that why aren't we talking about the other exclamations? Why aren't we talking about the homophobic exclamations, et cetera? I think that's a good question, and part of the answer to that is because those were edited out. BAFTA decided that those were offensive to people, that the viewing audience should not be privy to those. And moreover, edited out not just exhortations from the audience, but the intentional reference to freeing Palestine in a speech by someone who was being rewarded for their work and honored and respected that night because that was too sensitive, ostensibly, I presume, to certain viewers, not because they're in a protected class or have an identity, but because they support Zionism as an ideology. So BAFTA is an organization with a great deal of power here, as opposed to Jamie Foxx or random people who, I agree, obviously don't know very much about Tourette's or they wouldn't have said what they said. But why is it that the same care that was given to the LGBT community or any others that might have been offended that night was not extended to Michael B. Jordan and Delray Lindo? And specifically to go to Dr. Shola's point, at what point are we going to make any take any time in this conversation to ask what BAFTA owed to the presenters, including the two black presenters, to protect them and to honor their dignity as they stood there at the podium that night and tried to do their jobs. Eczema is unpredictable, but you can flare less with epglis, a once monthly treatment for moderate to severe eczema. After an initial four month or longer dosing phase, about four in 10 people taking Eglis achieved itch relief and clear or almost clear skin at 16 weeks, and most of those people maintain skin that's still more clear at one year with monthly dosing.

[Piers Morgan]

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[Nerdrotic]

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[Piers Morgan]

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[Brianna Joy Gray]

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[Piers Morgan]

So that's an interesting look. That's an interesting point. I know Michael B. Jordan a bit and he's a really good guy. I think he's a great actor. I've got a lot of admiration for him and I think the way they conduct themselves in the moment was exemplary. They didn't get thrown off by it, they didn't say anything about it, they just let it ride. My question would be for bafta. Did all the presenters and hosts that night on stage, were they told that John Davison would be in the audience and may say stuff which would be very inflammatory, very abusive, very offensive because he couldn't help himself? It's baffling to me if that conversation didn't take place and then if they were told, then there's no reason why any of them should have been offended. The point you make about the BBC is entirely correct. It is inexplicable to me. The BBC allowed that to be broadcast. I watched the broadcast knowing it was two hours after it had happened. And for that to still be in there when they clearly had had the ability to remove things because they removed the stuff that you referenced earlier is just inexplicable. And frankly, head should roll at the BBC who've been having a terrible run as it is. But head should roll about that decision making because it was crass and stupid. But you know, when it comes to apologies, I do not understand. And let me bring Javier Derusso in here. I don't understand why John Davison has been bullied into making apologies when it seems to me the people that should be making apologies. Dr. Scholar who has to her credit made an apology, a fulsome one now, but Jamie Foxx hasn't yet and he's a massive movie star again, someone I rate as an actor, rate as a person. I was appalled by what he said and to date, no pressure on him to apologize. I think he owes it to John Davison to say, I'm sorry, I didn't know what Tourette syndrome is. I now understand that it doesn't mean you have racist intent if you blurt out racist epithets and insults and slurs and he should apologize. In other words, the bullying that's going on against John Davison should be transferred to those who simply didn't understand his condition.

[Javier Bertucci]

You know, I feel like BBC really should be taking a lot of this responsibility for the fact that they did not edit this out. And like you guys said, they had two hours to address that. And I gotta say, watching progressives debate whether they're going to defend ableism or racism has been one of the highlights of my year. And, and when it comes to John Davidson, I don't think he's racist. And obviously knowing and understanding Tourette syndrome, it is unfortunate that he has to deal with this condition and that this is something that is regular for him. I respect the fact that he is out there raising awareness for Tourette syndrome, but he also needs to have some self awareness. If your impulses are to the point that you cannot stop yourself from screaming the hard RN word out on live television, then you might not be meant for the room, sis. Because not everybody needs to be uncomfortable and have to sit there and be subject to these outbursts, these racist outbursts or racist sounding outbursts, I should say, just because we are trying to support that he is putting this documentary out. So I think it's a stretch to sit here and condemn John Davidson. But I do think that John Davidson should not have been in the room in the first place if we were going to run into these situations and if Tennessee was not going to do any kind of.

[Piers Morgan]

But that sounds okay, Segregate.

[Nerdrotic]

Saying they should segregate.

[Javier Bertucci]

Screaming racial outbursts in the room.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, you're literally saying remove the disabled guy about whom the movie was made because you, because people cannot get their heads around what Tourette syndrome is. It's ridiculous.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

Was it possible to simply see.

[Javier Bertucci]

Well, I don't think that everybody in the room should have to sit there and listen to that.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

I think safeguards should have.

[Piers Morgan]

Actually, actually, you know what? Actually people, please don't all talk, please. I'm talking to Javier at the moment. Javier, surely the whole point is they should. To understand the hell of Tourette's syndrome, actually sometimes you have to listen to uncomfortable things, right? When I watch the movie, it's very uncomfortable in parts. He says very uncomfortable, very offensive things repeatedly. Right? But then you begin to realize quite quickly he has no control over any of this and nothing to do with it indicates his real state of mind. And to, to judge him accordingly and to say, right, yeah, we've got this movie and we're going to give an actor an award for playing you, but you're not allowed in the room because Some oversensitive actors might be upset by stuff even when they're told you have no control over it. And it's not your real thinking. My message to those actors is grow the fuck up. No offense given or taken.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Now you're just being outrightly respectful. I think Xavier was explaining what he was thinking. I don't agree that John Davidson shouldn't be in the room. I think that they should have been appropriate safeguards put in place, including bleeping out the words when it comes out. But for you to say that black actors should grow the F up for you to use those dismissive words, that's exactly why I came out so angry when I saw other comments to address the bombastic Caucasus of people like you that would say it is okay for black people to just deal with it because he has taut syndrome, which only explains how it happens. It doesn't justify why it happens. And racism does not require intent to be racist. So while I accept that my ignorance in that moment harmed the community, both black, brown, and white, who have turrets, and that is not my intention. And my intention is irrelevant because the impact is.

[Piers Morgan]

Is real.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

So I take responsibility for that. But on top of that, Pierce, on top of that, you just said that when he said F to the. To the queen, that, you know, she waved it off. She was gracious. But what you don't say is that he said sorry, and that sorry closes. It closes the cycle. And the sorry just. Just goes that long way. It helps with the education. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't understand how everybody say, go watch the movie, which I actually encourage everybody to go. I intend to. And you want to educate everyone about the movie. Then you're saying, when you experience any impact from anyone with tourists, don't expect that, you know, you would not expect even, you know, sorry you are. You're acting as though it is too much for black people.

[Piers Morgan]

There's a moment in the movie. All right, let me. Let me. Let me educate you. Let me. Let me educate you about the movie. Let me. Let me educate you about the movie, which you haven't watched. And I wish you had watched it before you rushed to judgment and kept calling him a racist in the movie. One of the most powerful moments comes when he's with his adoptive family, and the mother, who is a qualified therapist, says to him, when he apologizes for being abusive at a small family event, she says, one thing you need to be absolutely clear. You never have to apologize again for when you say these things. Because she knew he didn't mean it and he didn't intend to offend. And therefore an apology is pointless because he's apologizing for something he doesn't mean to do, he can't stop himself from doing. And that's the whole point, actually, of the movie, which you haven't. Which you failed to understand. And the point I was making about grow the fuck up, that's directed at anybody. Anybody who rushed to judge.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

That's not being directed at anybody.

[Piers Morgan]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let me finish my point. Anybody who knew about Tourette syndrome who then professes to be hurt or offended or upset by anything that a Tourette Syndrome sufferer says they need to grow the fuck up. I've not seen statements from Michael B. Jordan or the other actor on stage where they express fury about what happened, right? So I'm not directing it at them. I'm saying anybody who is aware of Tourette's syndrome, aware of the reality, as Dr. Siegel pointed out earlier, about the fact there's no brain tank here of thought processes which spill out because finally you get to go the real thing. It's not that they have no control. So to me, Nedrotic, I don't understand why anyone's forcing him to apologize. They should watch the bloody movie and understand. The whole point is he was told, stop apologizing for this. You can't help it. And that's what you do, by the way. That's what you do with people who are disabled. But before we let you go, Dr. Mark, you know, it's. It's depressing to me that in a world like the acting community and the Hollywood community, and we touched on this a little earlier, that people that go. That literally preach to us all day long about the need to be more empathetic and compassionate when it came to this guy, just failed so singularly to show him that. And it was through ignorance.

[Dr. Mark Siegel]

I think that's a really profound point. I agree with several points that were made recently, by the way. I think BBC needs to be held to test. They told Davidson they were going to edit out this, you know, in advance. I think the point that was made that the audience should have been and the actors should have been informed in advance about it. But let me tell you what it's like inside an emergency room room. People are screaming in pain. Can you imagine somebody coming up to them, peers, and saying, no pain screaming allowed here? I mean, this is a manifestation of the man's disease and the movie is about that. And as you said, you know, actors pride themselves on trying to get into what real life is. Well, this is real life and I work in real life as a physician and, and physicians would be very sensitive to the idea that, that these were his symptoms coming out. And to your point, Jamie Foxx should say, I didn't know that. Now that I know that, I take it all back, that would be a refresh 100% breath of fresh air here.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Could I just.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

You are.

[Piers Morgan]

Wait, wait. I will, I will come. I will, I will come back to you. I will come back to you. Dr. Mark, thank you very much indeed for joining me. You've had a very busy day and I really appreciate it. Always great to have you on uncensored with your expert. So thank you very much. Let me ask the drotic this because the drotic has been involved in a. You've been involved a social media war with one of YouTube's biggest movie reviewers, Grace Randolph. Let's take. Well, we got a clip here. Let's take a look at this.

[Dr. Mark Siegel]

Sure.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

Not everybody, but there are certainly a lot of people online who are defending

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Mr. Davidson's right to say this word because they want to say it.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

And that's really the problem. I mean, really take a hard look

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

at Anyone who's defending Mr. Davidson and ask why. I'm sure some of them are genuine, but some of them are not. And that is the issue.

[Piers Morgan]

Nedrotic, I mean your response to Grace Randolph, who just sounded so dumb in that clip, just dumb, ignorant, ill informed dumb. And then decided to single you out.

[Nerdrotic]

Oh yeah, she did. And my response is probably going to offend a lot of people here. My response was, you are fucking retarded. Because that's what she is. She didn't understand. She shared out my video and my video was basically calling her out for misunderstanding this, not watching the movie like I did and making it a thousand times worse for John Davidson. And then she responds in future live streams by blaming John Davidson for the heat that she's getting that she brought on herself. Not new for Grace Randolph. But the whole point about this is, you know, it's, it's not a word I say, but it's a word that has a lot of power because people give it power and we're only talking about this one word and we're not talking about the others. And we can certainly talk about the BBC and BAFTA screwing this up and they totally should have edited out. I completely agree there. But cats out of the bag now. And what we're seeing is a basic intelligence test that a lot of people are failing. Because this movie was about acceptance. This movie was about. There is no intent behind the word. And that's what gives the word power outside of people, other people giving the word power. And I long for a day where it has no power, where people can laugh it off and we can get past all this crap. But we are so far away from that because we have people who will just clutch their pearls when they hear a word, you know, when it's. When you know what? It's just a word. And again, it's not one I say or ever will, you know, but it's still. The intent behind it was, this man has a disease. He doesn't mean it. He's gonna say everything offensive. The woman who was taking care of him in the movie was dying of cancer. And he kept on saying, you're gonna die of cancer. He said, the queen. He was. He was having his car searched for. And he said, I have a bomb. You know, he's. He's been arrested, he's been beaten. He's had this brutal life, and he came out on top. And the whole point was we want to have people with Tourette syndrome and the. I can't pronounce the word, but the one that's 10% that. Where you have these ticks so they can live somewhat of a normal life. And he's done that. He's made the best of it. He's a hero, for Christ's sake. And we're just tearing down and, you

[Piers Morgan]

know, and yeah, he's a hero. And yet in his moment of what should have been glory, where the actor who plays him award at the best premier event in the British theatrical movie world, the guy got completely humiliated and deliberately by various people who were just ignorant about his condition. You know, he said this wasn't deliberate. If there were socially. One second. Well, let me come to you for your response to this. He said this. When socially unacceptable words come out, the guilt and shame on the part of the person with the condition is often unbearable and causes enormous distress. I can't begin to explain how upset and distraught I've been as the impact from Sunday sinks in. And that. That is heartbreaking to me that he has been made to say that and then gets bullied into then having to say sorry for a condition he has no control over. Where is the compassion and empathy from the compassion and empathy demanders? Brianna, you wanted to say something?

[Brianna Joy Gray]

Yeah. Well, I think there's been a lot of Characterization of people's apologies as being forced. It feels to me like Dr. Shola voluntarily gave a very gracious apology. Yet I am not following what's been going on with you. But from what I've seen today, it seems like you got necessary pushback about the nature of the disease. You responded now that you were no longer ignorant of what Tourette's is all about, and it seemed very sincere, and I really appreciate what you've said today. Similarly, I think it's reasonable that a person with Tourette's who knows that they've offended people and who feels the shame that you just described, Piers, will want to apologize and make that known. I don't haven't seen any evidence that he was forced or that his apology wasn't also sincere and that we shouldn't.

[Piers Morgan]

So you would like everybody, just to be clear, Brianna, just to be clear, you would like John Davison to go around issue. Sorry, Shoda, your name is not Brianna. Brianna, you would like John Davison to go around and make 50 to 100 public apologies every single day of his life, would you? To everyone he offends.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

But if I. Look, this is not a no.

[Piers Morgan]

So who do you exclude? Okay, so. Okay, so just to be clear. Just to be clear, just to be clear. Brianna, Brianna, Brianna, you said no. So just to be clear, who should he not be apologizing to?

[Brianna Joy Gray]

If I went to a wedding with a crying baby or had a horrible cold and interrupted the ceremony, even though it was not my intention, I would make an apology not because I did anything wrong purposefully, but because I know I negatively impacted somebody's special day. And that comes from me because I want to show grace to the people that I care about. And if Davidson similarly wants to make amends to people that he thinks he.

[Dr. Mark Siegel]

He.

[Brianna Joy Gray]

He. He wants because of the grace in his own heart, to make amends to, I think that's a beautiful thing that we should honor in the same way that we should honor.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you know what I love? I. I just think that's such a sorry. That is so. That is such a sorry, Brianna. That is such a crock of crap. The idea that you're still continuing because you're still continuing to go after this guy, right? You want more pounds of flesh from this guy?

[Brianna Joy Gray]

It was lovely for him to choose to apologize. I'm giving him a compliment.

[Piers Morgan]

What about people apologize? What about Jamie? Okay, but Brianna. Brianna, do you think. Hang on, hang on, Javier. Brianna, do you think Jamie Foxx should apologize?

[Brianna Joy Gray]

I think that he was clearly wrong. About Tourette's and the intent behind Tourette's. And if I were him, I would. I'd say sorry, just like Dr. Shola did. Sorry, I didn't realize that the nature of the disease is that it makes you want to say exactly what you shouldn't say and that it wasn't some exaltation of deeply repressed racism. I would. But I also think it's really interesting that there's this focus on cherry picked celebrities who didn't know anything about Tourette's or didn't know enough about Tourette's and said the wrong thing and not on the institution of BAFTA and the BBC who chose to broadcast the N word and not broadcast free Palestine. That says a lot more about the power in our society and who should keep beginning.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, on that I think we all agree. On that I think we all agree.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question, please? Do you know what Caucasity is?

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, I do. Yeah.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

So Caucasity.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, I've got it. I can explain to viewers.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

No, don't worry, I will help you out. I will help you out.

[Piers Morgan]

I'm just saying I know what it is. You ask me if I know what it is.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

It's okay. Yeah, you don't need to read it. I can tell you. Caucasity is a reference to the bold, shameless, entitled arrogance of white people displaying white privilege and racism to black and brown people. You know what, Pierce? You've just been entirely caucastic to three black people on this stage. You've had the Caucasity to not only,

[Piers Morgan]

oh wow, here we go, I've been caucastic, have I?

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Yet you might learn something. You've also had the caucasity to say. What we are saying is a crock of this. Say that we have no right to expect an apology. None of you.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, no, you have. And I've got a right to say it's bullshit.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

You people did not say that to Kanye west when he was being anti Semitic to Jewish people. None of you held him to the different standard that you're Actually, I did.

[Piers Morgan]

I actually. I literally did.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

Let me over me. No, you did not.

[Piers Morgan]

But why are you lying? Why are you lying?

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

My point is I literally did that to Kanye west being disrespectful to the three black people here. You're being dismiss and you're being disrespectful to what we explained to you. You're saying you shouldn't expect any apology. Why? Because you wish to center Let me

[Piers Morgan]

just explain to you. Let me just remind people. Yeah, okay, I've had my lecture.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

We do fine, apologize.

[Piers Morgan]

You had no idea. The truth is. Okay, stop talking. The truth is you had no idea about his story and you cared even less to remind people. To remind people. You mentioned Caucasity. Let's remind viewers what you said when you use that word. I'll play the video post you posted again, which is what triggered this. Again. Let's watch it again. Let's watch it again.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

You are getting on my last God given nerves the fact that I have to come up here to break down for you the ABC's 1, 2, 3 Doremys of racism. Because some of you have the bombastic Caucasity to want to litigate the racial intent of a white man and absorb him of racism because of his disability. Now, I'm gonna make time for you today. Let me say this in plain English because I'm not speaking Latin or Swahili. John Davidson is a racist white man with Tourette syndrome. And let me break this down for you. Torrid Syndrome is a disability. Disability is not racism and it does not make you racist. The Taurid Syndrome simply brings out what is already in the heart, mind and soul of the person speaking. Because as a man thinketh, so is he. And I've apologized.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. Much as I'm gonna. Much as I'm. No, don't start talking. Dr. Scholar. Much as I will take lectures from you, I'd rather shoot myself, frankly, because what you did to John Davidson, as I said at the start, was one of the most disgusting, one of the most disgusting attacks on a disabled person I have ever seen. I've ever seen. He branded the poor man a racist because you're a race baiting clown. Anyway, we were gonna. Okay, whatever, whatever. I'm not listening to you. You've exposed yourself for what you are. You're a vile race baiting clown.

[Dr. Shola Mos-Shogbamimu]

It doesn't change the fact that the statement is racist. It doesn't change the fact that black people are impacted by the N word being said by white person who are being impacted.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. And you know what? You know what? Tourette's people and Tourette's people are impacted when you call them racists. Tourette's people are impacted. But, you know, you want to move that on to call everybody else a racist because that's always what you do. And honestly, it is disgusting. It's disgusting. I want to go to Javier before we finish. Okay? Can we mute her, please? Just mute her. Thanks, Javier. I Want to talk to you just very briefly about the Gavin Newsom thing, because it seems to me that whichever way you look at it, what Newsom said. And let's take another look at what he said was just so belittling and patronizing to his predominantly black audience. Let's take a listen again, I'm not trying to impress you. I'm just trying to impress upon you. I'm like you. I'm no better than you. You know, I'm a 960sat guy. And, you know, and I'm not trying to offend anyone.

[Nerdrotic]

You know, trying to act all there.

[Piers Morgan]

If you got 960, 40, but literally a 960 SAT guy.

[Nerdrotic]

I cannot.

[Piers Morgan]

You've never seen me read a speech because I cannot read a speech. Javier, what did you make of that?

[Javier Bertucci]

So much to unpack there. This is yet another example of Democrats completely just degrading and dehumanizing and belittling black people in order to try to relate to us. But before we even unpack the racial side of it, I just want to acknowledge the fact that Gavin Newsom is bragging about the fact that he can't read. But last year in 2025, he signed 794 bills into effect in California, which total to almost 10,000 pages. So that means that he is not reading through the terrible legislation that he's putting into our state, and that's probably why our entire state is in shambles. So then you go to the racial element of this. He's talking to a group of mostly black people talking about how they cannot read. It's like, okay, well, then let's look at the literacy rates over in California at these schools, almost 70% of black students in California are aggressively below literacy standards. And that's largely because of these horrible Democrat policies and our education system. So instead of bragging about the fact that he can't read and trying to brag about the fact that he believes that black people can't read, he should be taking accountability for how failed our system is here. And then black people. I don't understand how any black person is continuing to vote Democrat when this is how they try to relate to us. Kamala Harris had an alcoholic come twerk in order to try to win our votes over. You have Hillary Clinton pulling hot sauce out of bags. It's like they're constantly playing into stereotypes and playing into the lowest common denominator. And for some reason, black people have not woken up to that yet.

[Piers Morgan]

Brianna, I noticed that you posted. He really is Biden 2.0 and I've seen quite a few on the left equally angry about what Newsom said. So what was your feeling when you saw that clip?

[Brianna Joy Gray]

Yeah, I mean it's very reminiscent of Biden and his gaffe prone time in front of the public sphere. But I think the point is a couple of things are important to establish here. One, it's not in fact true that he was speaking to a predominantly black audience. If you look at pictures of the crowd, that is a little bit of spin. Look, there's no love lost between me and Gavin News Newsom. I'm politically independent. I think Gavin Newsom is a corporatist who is very attached to the big billionaire families in California. That rigor economic system for elites at the expense of everybody else. I think he's a Zionist and if he is a presidential candidate will be a warmonger like the rest. That being said, what has been represented as what happened here is not in fact what happened here. I do think however, even though Gavin Newsom wasn't trying to say I can't read because black people can't read, I don't think that's what happened. I do think that he deserves criticism and this is why he fundamentally was doing what Democrats do, which is pander to identity politics. In this case the idea that he is a working class regular person who's not an elite, who went to fancy schools. He got a regular average SAT scores. Hey guys, I'm just like you. But at the end of the day that is a card game. He is connected to some of the biggest, wealthiest, most powerful families in California, the Gettys and the Pelosi's. It's why he's being set up to be a presidential candidate in this is a man who's saying I'm just like you as he's actively lobbying against a billionaire tax that would tax 5% of wealth of people in California that earn over a billion dollars. There are only 200 of those people. Yet he's making it his entire personality to obstruct that because one of those billionaires happens to be the godfather of one of his children, his eldest child. That's who Gavin Newsom is. And all of this pandering that he's doing is an effort to make that obscure to the and including by relating to folks or thinking that it's going to relate to folks to disclose the fact that he has dyslexia and had a very low SAT score as a consequence.

[Piers Morgan]

Okay, Najrani, just finally, I mean polymarket Have a presidential election winner 20, 28 thing running with a lot of money being put into it. Newsom is 17% probability of being the next President of the United States. What do you make of that? I think you fled California to avoid him.

[Nerdrotic]

I, I did. It's. I wish I could say it's surprising, but it's not because he should be the easiest candidate to defeat. He was my mayor. He was my lieutenant governor. He was my governor. He survived a recall and magically with mail in ballots, he survived that recall. It's just it was total coincidence. It was during COVID he destroyed my wife's business along with hundreds of thousands of other businesses with his COVID policy while he was at the French Laundry Laundry. He spent billion dollars on a train that has gone absolutely nowhere. Train robberies came back under his administration in Los Angeles. They were robbing trains. It was like the 1800s again. All you have to do is break out his policy. The homeless industrial complex that he helped create in San Francisco and exacerbate exacerbated throughout the the state. My home city of San Diego, one of the most beautiful cities in America is now just south la. And this is all under Gavin Newsom. He should be the easiest person to beat but the saddest part is is people are just going to vote for him because he's pretty and we have a lot of low information voters out there and because he's not the other side and they're not going to think about, well, do you want the rest of the country to become California? Because that's exactly what will happen.

[Piers Morgan]

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